making-mods-general

[vernal crest]

When I say "use" I mean "code". Not as a player.

I will edit mine to make the i18n look less scary

[red egret]

okay i will try this one

[vernal crest]

See? It's just another EditData patch where the key is my furniture item ID and then I add the Description field.

[red egret]

mhm but i want it to be displayed only at certain conditions

[vernal crest]

I took the local token out too

You just use a When field for that too

[red egret]

thanks for dumbing it down for me

okay! lemme see

[vernal crest]

This one actually has a When field, but I took it out for the example. I'll add it back in.

[red egret]

So the first one is the name being replaced and the other is the new one?

[vernal crest]

Name?

[red egret]

uhh

[vernal crest]

Did you mean display name when you said item description?

[red egret]

yes

aw sorry its somehting else, huh

[vernal crest]

They are not the same thing, no.

[red egret]

mb

[tiny zealot]

status update: i have encountered royal serpents in SDV

[vernal crest]

That's ok. You don't need MMAP or SpaceCore to change the display name.

[hard fern]

What is a royal cemetery

September

[red egret]

ohhh

[hard fern]

Serpent

[tiny zealot]

forsy pls

[red egret]

well, i learned something about mmap 😄

[hard fern]

im typing with one finger

[tiny zealot]

i have not yet encountered a royal september, but a royal serpent is a long snek

[hard fern]

Are those in the hard sc

[gentle rose]

I’m sure there are royal cemeteries

[vernal crest]

I have not yet encountered a royal cemetery in SDV

[hard fern]

It's very funny my keyboard autocompleted that bc i was writing something that involved one

[red egret]

How do i change the display name then under a condition?

[hard fern]

Editdata it -> target just the display name -> "When": condition

You'd use target Field i think

[vernal crest]

Use fields and then for the key use the number for that field

[red egret]

is there a template?

[vernal crest]

{
    "Format": "2.8.0",
    "Changes": [
        {
            "LogName": "Edit vanilla furniture by editing the furniture asset",
            "Action": "EditData",
            "Target": "Data/Furniture",
            "Fields": {
                "0": {
                    "7": "{{i18n: furniture.display-name.chair.oak }}"
                }
            }
        }
    ]
}

I thought I remembered making a messy mod for it and I did

[red egret]

what is the 0 and 7?

[vernal crest]

In this case the 0 is the id of the furniture. I'm just editing the very first vanilla furniture item. 7 is the index number for the display name field. If you look at your data/furniture entries and count the fields (starting at 0) you'll see the display name is number 7.

[lucid iron]

If it's vanilla furniture you can edit the localized text key instead

[vernal crest]

I removed that patch so as not to be confusing

[heavy pewter]

  "Format": "2.8.0",
  "Changes": [
    {
      "Action": "EditData",
      "Target": "Data/Objects",
      "Entries": {
        "kt.shop": {
          "Name": "ShopItem",
          "DisplayName": "Shops Catalogue",
          "Description": "Allows shops to be accessed anywhere",
          "Type": "Basic",
          "Category": -99,
          "Texture": "{{ModId}}_Shop",
          "SpriteIndex": 0,
          "CanBeTrashed": false,
          "CanBeGivenAsGift": false
        }
      }
    },
    {
      "Action": "Load",
      "Target": "{{ModId}}_Shop",
      "FromFile": "assets/Shop.png"
    }
  ]
}```

Will the -99(tools) category make this custom item id have the prefix (T)?

[lucid iron]

No

To make a tool you need to edit another asset

Data/Tools

[opaque field]

If I wanna make a trinket that boosts defense/luck am I cracking into C# territory?

[lucid iron]

Everything in Data/Objects get (O)

[lucid iron]

That's something doable via trinket tinker

Or if you want even simpler, BETAS with the equip triggers to add remove buff

Trinket tinker is more complicated bc it has a bunch of systems for the companion entity

[opaque field]

Heck yeah! I'm already using BETAS in the mod for some other stuff

[lucid iron]

And u can also make a ring that has buffs with spacecore

That one's probably the most simple

I have Opinions about what should be a trinket you see

Since it's a mid/late game thing I feel they should be more special than just buffs

[opaque field]

oooohhh, okay that makes sense to me 😄

[lucid iron]

spacechase0.SpaceCore/WearableData

[opaque field]

it's a gift I have planned for Kent that he makes and gives the farmer to help them in the mines and I thought a ring felt.... more romantically insinuating than a 'trinket' XD

[lucid iron]

https://github.com/spacechase0/StardewValleyMods/blob/develop/framework/SpaceCore/docs/README.md

Well maybe kent gives u a hat

That u can do with sc too

[opaque field]

Ty, genuinely feel like my brain has grown two inches bigger with this knowledge ❤️

[brittle pasture]

or just call it a band

[opaque field]

'charm'

'licensed adventurer accessory'

[lucid iron]

Iridium Band

I suppose if u just want some kinda token

You can do a power

Combine the mail flag for that with a daily DayStarted trigger that apply some smol buff

Bootleg rabbit foot

[opaque field]

oh man, so many options - this is gonna be so fun 😄

[lucid iron]

But if u do want to do trinket

Maybe kent gives you a pet golem trinket to keep u safe

Lotta options

[opaque field]

I was recommended "brass knuckles because they also can function as a belt buckle"

[heavy pewter]

Dang, addItemToInventory and it's overload doesn't accept string, it needs an actual item lmao, how do I call a CP item here

        {
            if (!Game1.player.hasItemInInventoryNamed("Shops Catalogue"))
            {
                Game1.player.addItemToInventory(// here);
            }
        }```

[brittle pasture]

you should be checking for qualified item id (which is unique) and not the item name

[lucid iron]

You need to create the item

[brittle pasture]

also to create an item most would use ItemRegistry.Create

[lucid iron]

Although if you just want to give the item, maybe send mail?

Otherwise ppl would get a new one every morning if they put their old one in w chest

[brittle pasture]

and mail has more flavór

[uncut viper]

(which you could also do this part with CP easily too)

[red egret]

nvm i think i understood something wrong, can someone please look at this? https://smapi.io/json/none/78982719984147639b5ce0dacb6f995f

[brittle pasture]

the name field is 7, not 28 or 42

[red egret]

why 7?

like a predefined type of change?

[brittle pasture]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Furniture

7

[red egret]

ah! okay

like that

[hard fern]

The 7th Thing in the long string, yeah?

Like between the slashes

[brittle pasture]

though as mentioned earlier editing the string that it's pointing to at Strings/Furniture is also an option

[red egret]

i thought it was the position in the chart

thanks, i will try it now

[brittle pasture]

you're already telling the patch which furniture you're editing via the first key

the next key is what field to edit

[red egret]

it didnt work tho D:

[brittle pasture]

what doesnt work now

also I noticed that you're editing the name for the vanilla ElliottPortrait item and not your new {{Modid}}_elliott item

is that intended or no

[red egret]

no, im just clueless, trying to edit it now

is my {{ModId}}_ElliottPortrait or something else? idk what name it has

also they dont even load

[brittle pasture]

its name is the name you gave it in the second patch

{{ModId}}_elliott

[red egret]

did i?

[brittle pasture]

can you post your full code again

[red egret]

oh in the definitions

ha im so stupid lol

Which is better, Fields or Entries?

[uncut viper]

neither is better. they have different uses

[red egret]

okay something works!!

The Fields worked

thank you guys!

[ornate trellis]

yall im a bit confused...I tested my special order the other day and it worked. now I wanted to do a map patch once its done(and an event in the "new" map) and my whole special order is non-existent? when i want to debug special order i jsut get this

[game] Can't add special order with ID 'VoidWitchCult.CP.TheFishmongerNPC_GamayunLibrarySpecialOrder' because no such ID was found.
I even tried a new save...and rn both events just play after one another i should probs add more precons to the one that plays when its finished...
Special Order(didnt touch it since i had it work last time tho):https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/fa233136df28432eb90bd9ea6f5a8004
trigger action for map patch(last one): https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/cfe787c76fda45bf8f3c552447da5e54
map patch(its the LIBRARY QUEST FINISHED MAP PATCH one): https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/98cd182628b246fca12cb9f4d84d1fe4
events(ignore the comma in the end its so me using new lines in events will get displayed right in the parser): https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/df9dd76bcf404ef1b2c48a525321ec06

[uncut viper]

where is the Include for it?

[ornate trellis]

ah, i knew i forgot soemthing to add...https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/c69e0aeddeb844f8a0d3cb265904674e(also i did jsut see i havent loaded the new map but would that be the cause of my SO itself that worked beforehand to disappear)

[uncut viper]

plausibly i suppose if the dropbox is supposed to be in that map. a log's trace message or patch summary/export would probably tell more too

[ornate trellis]

hmm, ill start with adding my map and run the game again to see

alright, simply loading the new map didnt fix it, sigh, would've been too easy, huh

[lucid iron]

Did u try patch export on special orders

[ornate trellis]

on it right now

damn, it really gone

[brittle pasture]

unrelated but you should probably be using the Condition field instead of When

another undocumented special order thing? dattebayo!

[royal stump]

do SOs have conditions? I thought it was just RequiredTags
but was gonna say, you should probably enable/disable it by using a dynamic/local token in that field, rather than removing the data

[ornate trellis]

im happy for corrections etc im just trying to pull through somehow lol

lolg with patch summary btw https://smapi.io/log/b4603eafbea44e61afa62dfc57e026be

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.3.2 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.26100.0, with 63 C# mods and 21 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[brittle pasture]

since 1.6

[gray bear]

about this i tried adding the MinimumCapacity thing to the wiki but i fear my writing isn't up to par

[royal stump]

afaik SOs are added to a shared set in multiplayer, so the missing data could cause issues either way

[gray bear]

i still have the exact edits i made in a notepad file but im afraid to hit save

[brittle pasture]

i appreciate your effort no matter what

[ornate trellis]

if i could do thing better im eager to fix things tbh as always i dont really know what i am doing

[gray bear]

thank you

[royal stump]

    {
      "LogName": "Add Special Orders",
      "Action": "EditData",
      "Target": "Data/SpecialOrders",
      "Entries": {
        "{{ModID}}_GamayunLibrarySpecialOrder": {
          "Name": "{{i18n:SpecialOrder.GamayunLibrary.Objective.Name}}",
          "Requester": "{{ModID}}_LibrarianGamayun",
          "Duration": "TwoWeeks",
          "Repeatable": false,
          "RequiredTags": "island, dropbox_library",
          "Condition": "PLAYER_HAS_SEEN_EVENT Any {{ModID}}_GamayunSpecialOrderStartEvent",```
or some such

[brittle pasture]

(special orders have a top level Condition field that accepts GSQs as usual)

yea like that

[uncut viper]

well id probably use the event seen GSQ instead

[royal stump]

ah, right

[uncut viper]

since that was the When 😛

[royal stump]

also you might want !dropbox_library in the tags instead, if the idea is that the boxes shouldn't be in use by another SO?
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Special_orders

[uncut viper]

this patch summary also says your conditions dont match, so... did you not see the event on the save files you were using to test. adding the condition instead of the When here would probably fix it bc of that

[calm nebula]

They do now (thanks Pathos!)

[uncut viper]

either didnt see the right event or mistyped the event ID, id guess

or did not sleep after seeing the event?

[ornate trellis]

oh thats because I used debug specialorder VoidWitchCult.CP.TheFishmongerNPC_GamayunLibrarySpecialOrder because i originally wanted to get it quickest to finish and see if my map patch worked

[uncut viper]

i mean it doesnt exist until you have the When condition

[royal stump]

yeah, that's one of the problems with conditional edits there

[uncut viper]

you cant skip seeing the event if the event is what causes the patch to apply

[ornate trellis]

oh, yeah, uh me not often using other commands is showing cough

[ornate trellis]

its working again yippie! thanks for the help! now i can go back to trying to get my map patch to work(and the second event to only play when that map patch happened cough)

[karmic gust]

Love having more config options, don't love having to retest everything to make sure they all work correctly again

[ornate trellis]

hm, i feel stupid again, wanted to resume and now my SO isnt triggering after the event, huh.

oh i jsut leave the trigger action out and wait that the SO will be on the board, w/e

[hard fern]

hm. so marriage schedules are cursed right

what if i want my spouse to just be Gone several days of the week

and just come home late at nighgt

[autumn tide]

i think there's hide npc thing?

one sec..

[gray bear]

they're not cursed, just limited

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Schedule_data#Marriage_schedules

[autumn tide]

yup! https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Trigger_actions#Data.2FTriggerActions:~:text=event's temporary sprites.-,SetNpcInvisible,-<NPC name>

[gray bear]

i don't know if there's any more keys

[autumn tide]

buttons has a framework for adding more

https://stardew.button.gay/docs/csk

[gray bear]

you can't run trigger actions in schedules keys, can you?

[autumn tide]

had it open bc mod shenanigans

[autumn tide]

hmm, i have no clue, prob not, but i think it should still be useable to hide the NPC

[gray bear]

nvm, marriage is cursed

[autumn tide]

yep...

[gray bear]

button mods good

[ornate trellis]

man, ive got so far in my special orders but now my final event wont play because i try to only trigger it after the map patch so i thought ok since i et a mailflag for when the map patch happens i jsut use that as a precon in the event, but now it wont trigger lol

[autumn tide]

alsooo is there a way to have an NPC lack a birthday?

[ornate trellis]

[gray bear]

it's optional if they aren't social

[brittle pasture]

0/unset should do it

[autumn tide]

..?

for social NPCs!

[gray bear]

if the npc is social and you set the bday to 0 would that break anything

[brittle pasture]

set it to 0 or not setting it in the first place should do it

[autumn tide]

gotchaaa like set it to 'null'?

[royal stump]

you can hide it from the calendar with "Calendar": "HiddenAlways",
I don't see any obvious reason why it'd break if you omit it for a social npc, at a code glance

just omitting them should result in none-season and day 0, which the game seems to just ignore

[brittle pasture]

SVE's Apples famously does not have a birthday which combined with their gift taste makes befriending them a pain in the butt

[autumn tide]

oh nice! thanks :)

[autumn tide]

tis my goal

[gray bear]

3 loved gifts

[ornate trellis]

eureka i triggered my event, finally

[gray bear]

[brittle pasture]

and two of them are only because of new 1.6 lore

[gray bear]

it was only starfruit??? explains the dialouge for it atleast

[autumn tide]

DAMN

...hm... ideas-

[gray bear]

1 one them is stardrop tea which isn't a typical gift

and also isn't very attainable, really

[autumn tide]

I WONT I PROMISE

[gray bear]

dwarf should like certain rocks

[autumn tide]

all rock

[gray bear]

do mineral artifact have a category? if so eaz

[autumn tide]

everything shiny is either liked or loved for dwarf/krobus

[autumn tide]

yup!

[autumn tide]

(projecting)

[gray bear]

dissapointed Apples doesn't hate apple

[rare orbit]

anyone know how to add a paint mask in the code?

[gray bear]

uhhh

[autumn tide]

that would be pretty funny-

[rare orbit]

im planning to update the DIY Tractor mod i made to allow people to recolor their tractor building

[gray bear]

oh, for buildings

[autumn tide]

oh you're cheeto-y now!

[gray bear]

thought you meant items

[rare orbit]

yeah buildings lol

yes i am :3

[gray bear]

buildings code doesn't mention masks

[gentle rose]

buildings can have masks, you can look at how the farmhouse does it iirc

[rare orbit]

yeah true but what could i add for non vanilla buildings?

[brittle pasture]

seems like it's Data/PaintData, which is only briefly documented on the "Migrate to 1.5" page

[gray bear]

pain

[rare orbit]

ohh

[gray bear]

why is it not in the building data

[hard fern]

paint

[brittle pasture]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Migrate_to_Stardew_Valley_1.5#Paint_buildings

[gray bear]

uhhh

[brittle pasture]

another blindspot I guess

[rare orbit]

if was a vanilla building it'd be easier but since it's not...idk...

[gray bear]

i don't, understand this

[ornate trellis]

technically speaking the garage is a reskinned stable

[obtuse wigeon]

Oh Lumisteria has a mod that uses paint masks on custom buildings, I also attempted to use it and had some successess

[brittle pasture]

you can try copying an entry for one of the buildings, and then load the required textures

[rare orbit]

how? i need to know pwease ;w;

[ornate trellis]

so id look at the stab paintmask and go from there, ye

[gray bear]

you'd need to check the mod, but yeah try copying

[calm nebula]

You can also look at my stupid paint masks mod

[gray bear]

Roof

[calm nebula]

Vanilla buildings yes but

[gray bear]

can u explain the sections?

[calm nebula]

https://github.com/atravita-mods/StardewMods/blob/alpha/ContentMods/[CP] MorePaintMasks/content.json

[rare orbit]

so best bet is to check the tractor mod?

[obtuse wigeon]

The key is the buildings name,
the Building, Roof, and Trim are arbitary names for Red Green and Blue (in that order)
then the numbers are Contrast and Saturation (or reversed I think?),
to make a building work with it, the paintmask has to be named the same as the building suffixed by _PaintMask and the game should find it automatically

[gray bear]

arbitary names my favorite

[obtuse wigeon]

you can also have just 1, or just 2 colours aswell, I didn't test it but you might be able to have 4? I'm not certain about that though

[gray bear]

[stares at atra's paint mask mod] uhh,,,

[calm nebula]

4 is not allowed

[gray bear]

thank you

[obtuse wigeon]

Oh ye you have to have a Data/PaintData entry as well, wow this knowledge is coming from deep within my brain

[gray bear]

the way its formatted makes me sad

[obtuse wigeon]

Good to know for the future ty!

[rare orbit]

i might also contact pathos child again too ;w;

[calm nebula]

Key is the building or skin name (skin takes precedence)

[calm nebula]

Building/Roof/Trim are arbitrary except for use as lookup keys to get the translation to show to the user

[rare orbit]

ahh

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/a2fcea703b384859a7ed0e205952fcdd

idk how well it'll work but there's no errors according to the json validator

[autumn tide]

okay it looks like there isn't an entry in data/locations for the volcano dwarf's shop?

was thinking of making them an actual npc but where would they live-

[lucid iron]

They obviously use the secret shortcut

[autumn tide]

😭

[lucid iron]

It's just going to work

[autumn tide]

uh, did you mean not going to work?

[gray bear]

no it just works

[autumn tide]

ah, i see

[lucid iron]

No i mean

Manning the shop is going to work

[autumn tide]

OH

[lucid iron]

Just weird commute y'know no explanation required

[autumn tide]

okay tyy i can't read tone online 😭

[rare orbit]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/a6681acec87940d5b9267212023c5391
Any idea what the error means??

[autumn tide]

very easy to go to work when you're a TILE

a TILE

even morris has a data/characters entry-

[uncut viper]

you're doing EditData with FromFile which isnt a thing

[lucid iron]

-# it was removed in content patcher 1.2x or something

[rare orbit]

so should i get rid of that?

[uncut viper]

it also doesnt make sense to use a png with EditData in the first place

i mean it doesnt work and will cause errors. so yes it should be changed or removed

[rare orbit]

what should i change it to?

basically im trying to allow paint masks to occur for the tractor mod

[uncut viper]

the entire discussion above along with atra's example was telling you what you need to put in your json

[rare orbit]

it's a diy pack to allow users to customize the assets from the tractor mod

k i'll re read it

idk if i'll get it tho

im sorry my brain is kinda slow ;-;

[torpid sparrow]

Does anyone perhaps have the sam and seb sprite sheets

Not at my pc

[autumn tide]

sure! one sec

[autumn tide]

which ones? all, or just the generic?

here are generic ones

[rare orbit]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/641b2e6ed2dc407fb93afbba891ad2c1

[torpid sparrow]

Yess thank you!!

[rare orbit]

i think this'll work??

idk yet but imma try

[autumn tide]

good luck :)

[rare orbit]

thank u ;w;

[urban patrol]

is there a way to define forage areas like fish areas? i have a map that's half beach half grassy, and i'd like to avoid coral spawning on grass or grapes spawning on the beach if possible lol

[lucid iron]

That's ftm/sc job

[urban patrol]

ah okay into spacecore docs i go

[opaque field]

do rings need to look like... rings? or could they be something like - brass knuckles? will it still equip okay?

[urban patrol]

they can look however you draw them

[opaque field]

amazing 😄

[urban patrol]

however the player might need to be told somehow that they should be put in the rings slot if it's not obvious

[opaque field]

perfect ty

[lucid iron]

Brass knuckles are rings

Circle things

Go on finger

They should have category ring either way

[hallow prism]

the only thing you may want to remember is how the combined rings are done by game

but it's not necessarily that common a thing that you need to not do something you have fun with

[brave fable]

brass knuckles + iridium ring = infinity gauntlet. surely.

[opaque field]

brb attempting to sprite an infinity gauntlet

[lucid iron]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/28351

Fixable with atra's mod

I dunno I think combined ring is not 4 u to fix

Just make whatever sensible for ur mod

[hallow prism]

oh i don't think it's necessarily a think to fix

just to decide if you care about it or not

[hard fern]

downloading XD even though i dont play

[opaque field]

fair enough, I've been having lots of luck with my pixel art lately so feelin bold with the gauntlet idea, but I will peep the mod you linked and finish makin the brass knuckles exist

I made boots and a dagger with great success today

[brittle pasture]

I kinda want a mod that gives creative names to certain ring combos
glow/magnet: Bootleg Glowstone Ring
hot java/burglars: Loot Goblin Ring
iridium band/slime tamer: El Clasico Combo Ring
crab shell/protection: Hermit Crab Ring

[hard fern]

i was supposed to be doing tweaks to my npc before shipping but i realized that like. i've done just about everything.

save for setting up festival positions and stuff

[brittle pasture]

unique winter star gifts?

[hard fern]

oh right

i can do that too i guess

[brittle pasture]

stardrop tea reaction?

[brave fable]

give them free will?

[hard fern]

im holding off on events bc i just have no ideas atm

i already have way too many unique gift taste reactions

including tea

XD

[brittle pasture]

Stardrop Tea is special in that lorewise it tastes like the drink you like the most, that's why it's a universal love with no exceptions

not really relevant i just wanna ramble about it

[uncut viper]

can you ramble more on it

[brittle pasture]

it is a neat callback to Stardrop in that regards where it's coded to taste like the farmer's favorite thing as provided on the character creation screen

[hard fern]

🤔 hm. could i make a custom companion bunny for my npc

[uncut viper]

selph can you explain why it doesnt raise my stamina like a stardrop

[brittle pasture]

you can't drink it, but maybe it does if you could

[hard fern]

🤔 button i checked your bio lol

[uncut viper]

why cant i drink it, lore-wise

[stray hemlock]

Or all the good stuff evaporated.

[brittle pasture]

stardrop tea, like Hades' nectar, becomes sweeter when it's meant to be a gift

[uncut viper]

can you please PR this stuff to Stardew Valley Explained

[brittle pasture]

drinking it by its own provides no effects for some reason (Yoba's will?)

[hard fern]

why can't i milk snakes in game

[brave fable]

ancient qinese technique passed down for 3000 years

not for you to learn

[brittle pasture]

@ dolphin hey

[hard fern]

can you pr this too

[stray hemlock]

Why can cows get babies on their own but the farmer needs a spouse?

[hard fern]

mitosis

hope that helps

[brittle pasture]

that actually is in SVExplained

[urban patrol]

cows are secretly lizards and reproduce asexually

[brittle pasture]

though I don't think it explains why male pigs can give birth? @dolphin does it

[brave fable]

then why doesn't sebastian have a cow tank in his spouse room

[urban patrol]

i await your pixel art rendition of frog-size cow

[stray hemlock]

What does Haley want with the Sea Cucumber that's only for girls or something?

[hard fern]

this is a pg 13 server.

[brave fable]

for girls only: ||you know snail-based skincare? like that, but salty||

[stray hemlock]

That makes so much sense.

[urban patrol]

nvm tiny cow free to a good home

[odd ginkgo]

quick question, how do you get an arrow symbol in a message? Like the sign in Cindersap that has -> and <- on it. I mean the dialogue key, I know it has to be in strings for the map

[hallow prism]

I believe irl its the female pigs that find truffles

[urban patrol]

i don't know where it is on the wiki, but from memory, @ is left, > is right, ` is up, and down doesn't exist i don't think

SVE had to custom add a down arrow

[autumn fog]

i want all animals frogsized now

[urban patrol]

that will be $356938475 thank you

[autumn fog]

teeny tiny cows walking around that giant barn......... i need this

[devout otter]

It's because the farmer is an uncultured hipster. "Oh everybody loves it? Must be overrated."

[stray hemlock]

"Everybody loves it? I must be special and only consume the raw, unprocessed fruit."

[lucid iron]

Farmer already had the whole fruit and is unimpressed by the tisane

[lucid iron]

Does it produce tiny (bagged) milk

[obtuse wigeon]

I need this as something I can hold by like yesterday, this is adorable

[urban patrol]

i feel like i'm becoming a stereotype of "what if it was real little"

[hard fern]

can you make a big grape

[urban patrol]

only if you make Big Wine

[autumn fog]

*adds "animals but tiny" to my evergrowing list of mods to make*

[velvet hornet]

Would the community have any interest in a python script that could automatically make a config file for any content patcher pack and rewrite the content file to integrate with it?

[lucid iron]

what is your usecase for this

[velvet hornet]

For me it's been to add configs for big mods that don't have them yet for personal use. This way I can mix and match mod packs more easily.

[dire canopy]

How does one use the condition player_shipped_basic_item?

"Condition": "PLAYER_SHIPPED_BASIC_ITEM Any 107 1 99999999, RANDOM 0.90", I tried this and without player or max

[lucid iron]

you will have to be careful about generating config, might explode things

[ornate locust]

I don't think I'd trust a script with that myself

[lucid iron]

when i wanted to turn off some specific thing i just wrote C# to do a late edit on the data

this is well defined cus it'd be "yeet this machine rule" or "make this item cheaper"

[uncut viper]

that is how you use it

are you trying to use this Condition as an OR between the shipping condition and the random, or an AND?

[lucid iron]

plus my changes r visible in log so mod authors don't get ??? bugs induced by personal changes to the content.json itself

[uncut viper]

also you dont need the 1 or 99999, theyre both optional

[velvet hornet]

Oooh heard...so far it's working on a couple of mods but I need more testing to confirm and some other CP mods to check other kinds.

[dire canopy]

and

the value is high for testing

well 107 is an artifact so game doesn't account

[fringe parrot]

So I’m using aedenthorn’s buff framework and my buff is working with these parameters:

' "When": {
"Time": "{{Range: 600, 2000}}",
"Weather": "Sun, Wind"
},
"Update": "OnTimeChange"
},
'

BUT I would love to have it only appear after player’s seen an event. How would I add this?

[autumn tide]

i did not know about that framework but i am intrigued hmmmmm scope creep intensifies

[lucid iron]

!json

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[lucid iron]

show your whole json?

i don't think you need extra framework for buff now

[calm nebula]

(You dont but some people find it eaiser)

(Anyeays you just need to add the When conditoj for HasSeenEvent)

[fringe parrot]

Oh yeah? Okay lemme see if I can do this right lol

https://smapi.io/json/none/4a9c99ef53ff4bc3a104bc4834ce08d5

So like this?
"When": {
"Time": "{{Range: 600, 2000}}",
"Weather": "Sun, Wind",
"HasSeenEvent": "59999"

[lucid iron]

ok so these r normal content patcher conds and u would use HasSeenEvent yep

if you want to do without buff framework then it'd have to be rewritten somewhat

1. do edit to Data/Buffs to define your buff, see here for structure https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Buffs, prob need to rely on the duration instead of the time token you got
2. do edit to Data/TriggerActions to give the player your buff, see here: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Trigger_actions, need to check event with PLAYER_HAS_SEEN_EVENT gsq https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Game_state_queries

[fringe parrot]

Oh fabulous. Thank youuu

[lucid iron]

i dun think it is super important that you rewrite all this but options exist™

[karmic gust]

I have a question regarding Nexus permissions. I commissioned the sprites and portraits for the NPCs for my mod. Do those assets belong to me? I understand I don't have the copyright for them, but I'm unsure if there's a distinction

[uncut viper]

not unless the person you commissioned them from gave you the copyright and ownership

[karmic gust]

Okay, thank you!

I wasn't sure if copyright and ownership were two separate things

[lucid iron]

usually there's negoatiation and extra cost to purchase the rights entirely

what you probably have is right to use for mod

[karmic gust]

I see, that makes sense!

[hard fern]

So like you can't use the mod art to use as soda can Branding and sell the soda globally i guess

[heavy pewter]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/9b476ad78c87452e8b8cea613cabf032

????? Help

What am I doing wrong here

[lucid iron]

check what the sprite index is on the catalogue item in game, you can do that with lookup anything or just own C#

[heavy pewter]

My bad, I'm holding a duplicate(old) in the previous image. So, how do I make this item non stackable?

[lucid iron]

there's a few ways but that was why you wanted to make it a tool right

if u did Data/Tools edit instead of object it shall be non stackable

[urban patrol]

i'm trying to make sense of draw; when would an object be this.hovering? when a player is holding it?

or is that for like text boxes and stuff

[calm nebula]

Right click, select analyze

[weak oasis]

what app do you guys use to mod stardew

[calm nebula]

Select "when is this assigned to" or "setter" (I'm very tired and no longer recall specifics)

That tells you when it is set, which let's you get context of what it is for

[urban patrol]

thank you! i'm not seeing analyze so i'll google

[calm nebula]

!software

[ocean sail]

Here's a list of software for pixel art and JSON text editors we recommend: https://gist.github.com/ishanjalan/c8efb21afa21f74a052293176db107f7

For making SMAPI (C#) mods, see the Requirements section here for which IDE to install https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/Get_Started#Get_started.

To use this command, type !software.

[calm nebula]

I might be recalling ilspy

VS should have something similar. Are you in VSCode?

[urban patrol]

yep

[calm nebula]

Ahhhhh

Okay

[urban patrol]

or no sorry VS

not VSC

[calm nebula]

Find all references

[urban patrol]

thanks

okay yeah if i'm understanding it, it's hovering when it's text or when hoverAction sets it, and after it's drawn it gets set to false

[calm nebula]

Okay, yeah, it's a menu thing then

[hard fern]

my npc is tall and breathes out of their stomach, what do i do

these are confusing me

                        "X": 4,
                        "Y": 12,
                        //"Width": 8,
                        //"Height": 8
                    },``` this kinda didn't work as i'd hoped 🤔 it just kinda made them breathe behind them.

🤔 hm i think i fixed it via fiddling with numbers

[sleek igloo]

got this error when trying to use a cookout kit with love of cooking installed, weirdly enough it went away after I turned better crafting's cooking menu on 23:04:24 ERROR game An error occurred in the base update loop: NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object. at LoveOfCooking.Utils.TryOpenNewCookingMenu(CookingMenu menu, MultipleMutexRequest mutex, Boolean forceOpen) in E:\Dev\Projects\SDV\Projects\CooksAssistant\LoveOfCooking\Core\Utils.cs:line 413 at StardewValley.Torch.checkForAction_PatchedBy<blueberry.LoveOfCooking__leclair.bettercrafting>(Torch this, Farmer who, Boolean justCheckingForActivity) at StardewValley.GameLocation.checkAction_PatchedBy<aedenthorn.TrashCansOnHorse__bcmpinc.HarvestWithScythe__DecidedlyHuman.MappingExtensionsAndExtraProperties__leroymilo.FurnitureFramework__PeacefulEnd.AlternativeTextures__tlitookilakin.HappyHomeDesigner>(GameLocation this, Location tileLocation, Rectangle viewport, Farmer who) at StardewValley.Farm.checkAction(Location tileLocation, Rectangle viewport, Farmer who) at StardewValley.Game1.<>c__DisplayClass925_0.<tryToCheckAt>b__0() at StardewValley.Game1.tryToCheckAt(Vector2 grabTile, Farmer who) at StardewValley.Game1.pressActionButton_PatchedBy<mistyspring.ItemExtensions>(KeyboardState currentKBState, MouseState currentMouseState, GamePadState currentPadState) at StardewValley.Game1+c__DisplayClass978_0.<UpdateControlInput>b__0_PatchedBy<leclair.bettergamemenu>(<>c__DisplayClass978_0 this) at StardewValley.Game1.UpdateControlInput(GameTime time) at StardewValley.Game1._update(GameTime gameTime) at StardewValley.Game1.Update(GameTime gameTime) at StardewModdingAPI.Framework.SCore.OnPlayerInstanceUpdating(SGame instance, GameTime gameTime, Action runUpdate)

Full log: https://smapi.io/log/6dd94ae1592545cb92548c29be549e88

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.3.2 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.26200.0, with 165 C# mods and 849 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[sleek igloo]

funnily enough I've never actually used a cookout kit before so I had no idea there was any issue

[brave fable]

ah yes. the offending code

surprisingly this has been waiting to blow up since the 1.6 update but apparently nobody has used a cookout kit without being able to cook (or with the menu disabled)

thanks for the report 🥳

oh this isn't actually a quick fix at all

i sleep

[sleek igloo]

In fairness I totally forgot these kits were a thing 😅

[fading walrus]

Eepy time for blueb

[sleek igloo]

Sure, glad to be of help no rush on a fix, I just thought you'd wanna know

[fading walrus]

Yeah you don't really ever need to use them, no? I feel like by the time I unlock them I already have a kitchen

[sleek igloo]

I unlock them way before a kitchen I just

Forgot lmao

[fading walrus]

Ahhh

I go nyoooooom for the house

But also I sometimes use custom farmhouses with a base level kitchen instead of needing to upgrade

[merry river]

ever since I converted my dialogue strings to i18n, my events with quickQuestions keep looping. so I'm sure there's something wrong with my formatting but I really can't figure out what it is
https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/8471848414334f138d73b29af2f97200

[autumn tide]

uhh which event is this for?

[merry river]

those are the three events that got fucked over by the i18n conversion

[gray bear]

u got a code error there

[merry river]

i just copypasted them into the json validator, the other events haven't been affected because they don't have any quickQuestions

[gray bear]

oh its part of a json, that's fine

[merry river]

the actual json has no code errors according to VS

[vernal crest]

Let me just convert these to multilined so I can read them...

Where is this one looping?

/quickQuestion {{i18n:QQWhatShouldIsay}}#{{i18n:PM2H.5}}#{{i18n:PM2H.6}}(break)speak {{ModID}}_Peiming "{{i18n:PM2H.7}}"(break)speak {{ModID}}_Peiming "{{i18n:PM2H.8}}"\\pause 300\\emote farmer 28

Huh, weird, the extension removed the quote escapes when it converted it to multi line

[merry river]

this one just restarts regardless of the answer picked, it's not supposed to change the outcome of the event or loop back to the question

and it worked just fine before i converted the strings to i18n

[vernal crest]

Can you share your i18n file too please?

[merry river]

of course, give me a sec!

[merry river]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/6373b4ac623c492ba6f45961805aed08

[vernal crest]

You appear to have a lot of escaped quotes in your i18n. Is that intentional?

[merry river]

the converter kinda spat them out like this which led me to think it's a quick question specific thing

[vernal crest]

It's not supposed to look like that. Did you have escaped quotes around the question and farmer answer sections of the QQ before you converted it to i18n?

I.e., did it look like this?

[merry river]

yes, it looked like that before

[vernal crest]

Is that because stylistically you wanted the farmer's text to appear to have quote marks?

[merry river]

not necessarily

so i guess i have to remove the escaped quotes from the i18n file and put them back into events.json?

[vernal crest]

The game doesn't require quote marks there, so their only purpose is aesthetic

So if you don't want them for the aesthetic, you can just remove them entirely

I'm not sure that they're the problem or why they would be in i18n when they worked without i18n, but it's worth removing them to check I think

[merry river]

okay, let me give it a try

[vernal crest]

Usually QQs look like this instead

(Ignoring my multilining - thats just to make it easier to read right now for troubleshooting. Alas, QQ has issues with multilining.)

[merry river]

okay, just tried to play the 2 heart event but it still loops from the beginning

this is what the lines look like right now

the event formatting is the same as before except that i noticed that one string was left empty which was supposed to be the question for the QQ, so i put the question string in there (PM2H.4)

[vernal crest]

Hmm

I can't see anything that could be causing it

I recommend putting just the QQ parts back to plain text and seeing if that fixes it. If it does, change them back to the i18n one by one.

[merry river]

will do

[calm nebula]

Install debug mode

When it starts looping, use debug mode to check which command it is

[merry river]

oh i have debug mode, why did it never occur to me to use it

it's because i forgot.

[vernal crest]

I did not know that was a possible use of debug mode

[obtuse wigeon]

it even displays the percentage through the specific command too iirc

I only know that bc I play with it permanently on

[vernal crest]

Is this the same debug mode that has a popup box on the cursor? That seems annoying to have permanently on

[merry river]

yeah it does but i was using sinz's event tester to speed up my events and it was way too fast for me to discern what even happened lmao

alas i tried to put in the plain text to the QQ but the event looped again

[vernal crest]

Ok then that is a sign that either you missed before that it was broken or that something important changed when you converted to i18n. Have you got a copy from before you converted?

[merry river]

wait, i think i do

[vernal crest]

(If you use github and commit your changes every day you will always have backups of everything btw)

[merry river]

i have never used github before but i just might

[vernal crest]

It has saved my butt so many times

And it helps me remember what I've actually done between versions so it's a life saver for changelogs too lol

[tiny zealot]

aside: it is so cursed that events have a failure mode where they get stuck and loop one command forever. what is even going on in there /lh

[hard fern]

it's trying its best

[gray bear]

event is in limbo

[vernal crest]

@obtuse wigeon Answer me, child!

[calm nebula]

Take off fast forward

[obtuse wigeon]

Oh sorry I tabbed away after sending that XD yep that's the one, I just move my cursor out the way when it's unneeded

[obtuse wigeon]

oops turned off the @ sorry!

[vernal crest]

Wow that box annoys me so much I turn it off immediately after I use it for anything

[merry river]

well i have no idea what i did but at least, the first out of three fucked over events is back to working normally

[obtuse wigeon]

I play with a smaller zoom (~60%) and UI (80%) than most people though so its likely it's just a lot smaller on my screen

[merry river]

how do you even see what's happening

[vernal crest]

I can't stand anything less than 100%

[gray bear]

for ui?

[obtuse wigeon]

bold of you to assume I can seen reguardless XD /jk

[vernal crest]

I keep both on 100% except in the mines. I zoom out for the mines so I can see more of the map and waste less time running around.

[gray bear]

i fully zoom out and put UI on like 75%

[vernal crest]

I can't see well enough for that. I have my text zoomed in to 120% in Firefox and increased some amount on discord. And I sit really close to my monitor.

[gray bear]

its so nice there's options so you can have it the way you're comfortable with

[merry river]

why do i always type "ebug debi".........

[gray bear]

bc when u type fast ur likely to just, fuck up. but i can't stop dying fast

"eatch reload"

[merry river]

yeah i mean that happens too

but my brain is so convinced that it's "ebug debi"

good news: my events don't loop anymore
bad news: farmer gets yoten into the void afterwards

[vernal crest]

Events, huh

[merry river]

i don't even know what i did right and what i did wrong. these things have their own consciousness, i swear

[vernal crest]

I usually will test things until I know exactly what is doing each part of the thing, but I don't do that with events. I test until I get a general gist and then I place commands down very gently and run away.

[gray bear]

the event syntax is

[merry river]

this is the general approach i've learnt when dealing with events, too. those events are held together by my tears and hopes and prayers

[gray bear]

and industrial amounts of duct tape

[merry river]

exactly!

[tiny zealot]

y'all are making me want to work on my vaporware event bullshit mod, so i can macgyver it even further into depravity

[gray bear]

you're doing what now?

[tiny zealot]

i've been threatening to make a mod that adds a bunch of tools (and crimes) as event commands

[merry river]

i am sickened but curious

[tiny zealot]

but i've never seriously worked on it because i haven't determined whether the main feature can actually be made to work

[obtuse wigeon]

The best time to do something is yesterday, the second best is now, with enough jank anything is possible

[tiny zealot]

and doing that part isn't fun so i have procrastinated

[gray bear]

is that part ever fun

[tiny zealot]

sometimes.

[gray bear]

does the question in ur bio mean anything?

i swear i never check stuff like this and then i suddenly do and just like

[merry river]

bike or flower...

[tiny zealot]

i have been threatening to do this since before 1.6 came out (search "event timecube" for receipts. original mod name donut steel)

[gray bear]

(you want a steel donut?)

[tiny zealot]

it's a pronunciation guide for my handle

[merry river]

bichortower

[gray bear]

there's no b in there

is confused

[tiny zealot]

okay, so the issue is there are a few ways to pronounce "ichor" ("tower" is pretty universal, in my experience)

[gray bear]

is it not just ichor-tower

[tiny zealot]

i use the one that rhymes with "bike or"

[gray bear]

wait there's more than one way to say ichor

[vernal crest]

Ick-or

[merry river]

i'm not a native speaker but on first read, i wouldve pronounced it ick-or

[gray bear]

ike-ore said google translate

[tiny zealot]

shovel knight agrees with me (and, evidently, google)

[obtuse wigeon]

eye-core or ick-or are the only two I'm familiar with

[gray bear]

which is how ive been pronouncing it in my head

[tiny zealot]

anyway, long story short (too late), the pronunciation guide is to coax people into pronouncing my name the way i do

[gray bear]

which is eye-core tower?

[tiny zealot]

but also we're all just text so it's no big deal

[gray bear]

oh pronunciation, i hate thee

[tiny zealot]

technically closer to "bike or" (or "bike oar"), because for me those vowels are different lengths, but yes

[gray bear]

the b in there throws me off so much

[vernal crest]

Are you familiar with Mike and Ike, Bea?

[gray bear]

the candy, yeah?

[vernal crest]

Maybe if you replace "bike" with that "Ike" it'll be easier

[gray bear]

yeah! it does. thanks aba, i'd be much more lost without you

[autumn fog]

im trying to send a letter using Mail Framework Mod, but it wont send?? https://smapi.io/json/none/9bd124f17dfe4a56a55e95cf799fb82b

[lucid iron]

Would you have heart 2 with Abby on first day of year?

[autumn fog]

the example file in the mod says "to send that day or after it"

i also tested setting it to spring 2 and it still didint show up on that day

[autumn tide]

hm, is the date field necessary?

also, is MFM necesary for anything? /genq

[autumn fog]

i thought so because the mod's example file says "Must be that date or after it."

[vernal crest]

Just FYI MFM isn't needed for sending mail. It has some more advanced features that CP doesn't do but sending a simple letter based on friendship doesn't need MFM.

[autumn fog]

ah, i couldnt find how to send based on friendship without it

[autumn tide]

one sec, lemme pull up the wiki

[brittle pasture]

your trigger action to send the mail can have a condition field for "2 hearts with abby"

[autumn tide]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Mail_data

[autumn fog]

ohh thats how

[brittle pasture]

[[Modding:Game_state_queries]]

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Game_state_queries

[autumn fog]

i assumed gaining hearts would have to be the trigger

[autumn tide]

nope :)

[autumn fog]

okok ty :)

[brittle pasture]

the trigger controls when they get triggered, the condition controls whether they get triggered

[autumn tide]

hellooo, trying to add compatibility for a mod, do i have to include that mod in my manifest's Dependencies?

ik i can have it set to not required

[vernal crest]

No, I don't add most mods to the manifest when I'm doing compat for them.

[autumn tide]

awesome, thanks :)

[tiny zealot]

+1 only add dependency if necessary (real dependency, or using load order to enforce patch order)

[brittle pasture]

dependency is needed if your mod has to load after theirs for some reason

[autumn tide]

got ittt okay

so if my mod uses that mod's content, rather than just having a compatible version?

[vernal crest]

Safer to have the false dependency, yeah

[autumn tide]

mhm

[autumn tide]

also isn't it 11:30pm for you?

[vernal crest]

Nope! It's 2:30am

Half an hour past bedtime

[autumn tide]

oh god- aba go to bed

[vernal crest]

Mod updates wait for no man!

[autumn tide]

[upper rune]

Maybe a dumb question, what are the guidelines for changing the number version of your mod when updating it? What makes something 1.0.1 vs 1.1.0 vs 2.0.0? I finished an update a really long time ago but I got so stumped on the like, etiquette here that I just never posted to nexus

[calm nebula]

Vibes

[obtuse wigeon]

Usually it follows SemVer but that isn't necessary

[upper rune]

Oh ok! Since I changed some mod IDs to ensure cross compatibility I guess that makes it 2.0.0 because if you update the mod it generates error items

[vernal crest]

(Psst there's a MigrateIds trigger action that you can use to stop error items happening.)

[upper rune]

what is that?

[vernal crest]

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/trigger-actions.md#migrateids

[autumn tide]

i had no clue that was an actual thing okay

[obtuse wigeon]

yep! one of the many "standards" that exists XD

[vernal crest]

I used it when I changed items from being in one mod to another one. Players who had the items from Mod A still had them when they updated and switched to Mod B.

[autumn tide]

i thought it was just like whatever you wanted to call it-

should custom schedule keys have the ModId prefix?

[vernal crest]

Yes please

Wait...do you mean custom schedule keys as specified using Button's mod?

[autumn tide]

nope!

[vernal crest]

Because outside of that you can't have custom schedule keys

[merry river]

everyone needs {{ModID}} prefixes. my cats have some too now

[autumn tide]

not those ones lol

[autumn tide]

AS. THEY. SHOULD.

[merry river]

{{ModID}}_claude

[autumn tide]

i am using button's CSK mod though! but i meant the dialog ones lol

think i got it mixed up

[vernal crest]

You do not need schedule strings

Just plop them in your regular dialogue file

[autumn tide]

?

OH

[merry river]

okay actually, i came here, wanted to ask something, said something stupid instead and then forgot my question

[autumn tide]

i can do that?

[vernal crest]

You can use schedule strings if you want to but it seems like a hassle to me

No I'm lying to make you waste time doing something impossible

[autumn tide]

it is! regular dialog then lol, uhhhh how might i do that?

[autumn tide]

fair fair

[vernal crest]

Yes you can do that lol

You just put the key into their regular dialogue file and then call that instead

[autumn tide]

it's okay you'll remember it 🙏

gotchaaa okay

[vernal crest]

Characters\\Dialogue\\Dwarf:{{ModId}}_ClaudesFinalRevenge etc

[autumn tide]

well i just spent all that time doing schedule keys for nothing okay-

..'all that time' is like 10 mins but every second counts when you're ON THE GRINDDD

i say that having spent multiple hours of modding time just idling-

[vernal crest]

You can just copy and paste the actual entries

[upper rune]

Would crops planted in the ground be Items still for the migrate IDs?

[vernal crest]

And then use find and replace to swap the schedule strings path

[toxic hornet]

Is there a minimum size for area maps?

[autumn tide]

-# i am intrigued?

[vernal crest]

No, I don't think so, but since they're tied to a seed item they might switch if you migrate the seed.

[upper rune]

Hmmm. Not sure if its worth it to try and migrate everything if the planted crops still bug out

[vernal crest]

I recommend you do a test of one item to check the crop

Whyyyyy did I not write my changelog as I went

[merry river]

while we're at the topic of schedules: do roommates use the regular marriage schedule?

[autumn tide]

uhh, no roommates currently have schedules in BG, but afaik yes

[merry river]

poor krobus isnt allowed to have hobbies

[autumn tide]

i know

but never fear! i shall give my blorbo multiple SPINS

[toxic hornet]

I want to make an edit of IF2R for multiplayer that leads to separate mini farms for each farmhand so the big map can be for capitalist min max purposes and the small ones can be personal aesthetics. There would be a little nexus west of grandpa’s shrine that has the entrances to each mini farm. I want that nexus to be small but also cover the whole screen so there aren’t gaps of Void Space on any edges

[merry river]

i've been wondering, since roommate dialogue needs roommate as a suffix for its keys

[autumn tide]

oh that's really cool!

[merry river]

you have no idea for how hyped i am for your mod

[autumn tide]

awww :)

you better be prepared to wait 6 months-

i am very slow

[merry river]

GET SCOPE CREEPED

[autumn tide]

tis my achilles heel

[toxic hornet]

It is my first time ever touching maps though so I’m struggling a bit and might be totally over my head

[autumn tide]

if achilles had like 25+ heels-

[autumn tide]

AAA

[merry river]

maps are evil. havent checked custom farm maps though

[autumn tide]

yeahh that's just how maps work so you're doing it right

i cant map..

[merry river]

if it makes you question your sanity and why you are even doing this to yourself, you're doing maps right

[autumn tide]

omg once i accidentally set the tile size to 32 by 32 and no one knew how

[toxic hornet]

I learned how to make Tiled work so I got it in theory but in practice…

[merry river]

source: my npc has three different map options available. i am normal

[autumn tide]

one sec..

[autumn tide]

😭

[merry river]

LMAO I REMEMBER

[merry river]

in theory it makes sense. and then you learn about tilesheets doing fuckall

[toxic hornet]

32x32 is the default on Tiled so you gotta manually change it

Source: I also ended up w a 32x32 abomination

[merry river]

?!?!?!

[toxic hornet]

But first thing is figuring out what the minimum map size is

[tiny zealot]

one of my favorite "this doesn't actually do anything" is the hopper. it's just a weird chest and doesn't actually load machines. the machines are programmed to check for a hopper above them and pull ingredients from it

[autumn tide]

yayyy i'm not the only one!!

[autumn tide]

found ittt
#making-mods-general message

[autumn tide]

HUH

i am just so glad for button's tilesheet climbing fixer

[tiny zealot]

claude did you make 13 copies of the zip. claude blink twice if you need help

[merry river]

me when im trying to fix a map

[autumn tide]

..no i used map fixer 13 times w/o cleaning up my download 😭

at this point i'm not gonna clean it up i just wanna see what streak i can hit

..think i'll make it to triple digits? i am remaking the sewers now-

[humble timber]

[vernal crest]

Probably 1 tile as far as technical minimum goes. In terms of what you find acceptable, try opening vanilla maps and seeing what size you like.

Also if you haven't already, GET YOUR MAP IN GAME.

Do NOT make the mistake of creating an entire map before ever trying to get it working in game, unless you enjoy lots of pointless rework.

There are many ways a map can go wrong and those ways tend to get compounded if you spend an entire map making mistakes instead of getting them figured out early.

[autumn tide]

aba it's like 4am for you now

[vernal crest]

Yes I took forever to do my update release things. I ended up having to close discord to stop getting distracted lol

But it's done now! Bog's Witchy Tools 2.0.0 is out and I'm going to bed!

[autumn tide]

night!!

[toxic hornet]

i'm looking for the smallest area that won't have void spaces on the sides

[vernal crest]

My advice about checking vanilla maps still stands for that

[tiny zealot]

almost impossible to guarantee due to varying screen sizes, but note that BusStop was made wider in 1.6 specifically to address this problem, so i would not go any narrower than that map

[calm nebula]

Okay, I think a 1080 screen is valid to support

1080/64 *4/3 = 22.5 tiles wide

If you want 4k support, go do the math 😛

[tiny zealot]

you can tell atra is a dinosaur like me due to multiplying by 4/3 to get a screen width given a height

[urban patrol]

i have a Cursed TM question. why has nobody ever solved the “Backwoods impassible” problem for NPCs via splitting it into two locations that use the same map? so you could have Farm and Mountain lead to {{ModId}}_Backwoods, whose map has had the road warps taken out, and BusStop can lead to vanilla Backwoods, whose warps to Farm and Mountain have been taken out

[lucid iron]

I don't think u need it to be that elaborate

Otoh downhill project kind of is that?

[urban patrol]

i thought the problem was inaccessible warps

[lucid iron]

The simple version is make the comm shortcuts always there

So that every warp can reach every other warp in backwoods

[urban patrol]

smort

i think this could help allay pelican town’s growing real estate problem lol but idk how interested mod authors would be in adding a dependency just to have their NPC be able to walk back there

[lucid iron]

Yeah it's a struggle

But also downhill is there and does serve as a bus stop to mountain route i believe

I don't think I've ever been bothered by no npc in backwoods cus why would they come here it's my driveway

[urban patrol]

i thought downhill was its own expansion, is it for other NPC creators to use?

[lucid iron]

Well if the location exists

Then the route will be there

It does say u can have ppl move there iirc

Dunno the process though

[urban patrol]

yeah i just checked the mod page and they do seem excited for others to move in

[calm nebula]

That's...was actually for 75% ui zoom

[tiny zealot]

ah, well. nevertheless,

anyway, the smallest intentionally-supported screen size for the game is 1280x720, although i'm pretty sure you can bypass the restriction and go smaller (but please don't)

[uncut viper]

i would like to go smaller

[tiny zealot]

no

[gray bear]

how much smaller

[lucid iron]

I thought u can just shrink the window

[uncut viper]

somewhere around 360px wide would be nice

[calm nebula]

That's a phone

[gray bear]

that's smaller than some phones

[uncut viper]

yeah

an old phone anyway

phones these days have quite high resolutions

[obtuse wigeon]

1080*2400 is very high for a screen only 6.5 inches big

[obtuse wigeon]

horrible, I love it

[uncut viper]

i like it

[obtuse wigeon]

1:1 stardew is so cursed

[lucid iron]

cant u guys shrink window on windows

[uncut viper]

nop

not below a certain point

[obtuse wigeon]

there is a limit on windows, it was annoying

[lucid iron]

year of linux desktop trust

[obtuse wigeon]

why has discord given that such a large amount of padding

[uncut viper]

honestly if you just shrunk the UI enough there I think you'd have a decent vibe going on

[lucid iron]

Cus i enabled window shadows

[obtuse wigeon]

Ahhhh

[lucid iron]

The image is just that big

[brittle pasture]

This Will Be Stardew Valley In 2006

[soft lance]

KDE Plasma 6.5

[lucid iron]

Smartwatch SMAPI trust

[uncut viper]

i trust

[soft lance]

Yeah I think KDE Plasma has them enabled by default, and they are nice : )

I tried Gnome, not my thing

its consistant, but not my thing

[tender agate]

we putting stardew on the gameboy now?

[soft lance]

Ram, not possible, but it is possible if we can render this at 480p, but for ram (16kb ram combined), this may be a struggle)

[lucid iron]

Isn't the gameboy even smaller and no colors

[soft lance]

the game would have to go from 1gb to 8mb, i dont know if that is even possible

[soft lance]

some gameboys had no color, the originals

the gameboy color did come out, same as gameboy color advance

[lucid iron]

I thought those r separate consoles

[soft lance]

they are

but they are all in the lineup of the gameboy

[soft lance]

c-c-an it run doom?

[tiny zealot]

160x144, 2 bits per pixel

that's the DMG. there were some more advanced game boys after that

[soft lance]

we can make stardew valley - the dream
its just a pixelated version that is slimmed down

at that screen size its hard

[tiny zealot]

even at the time i think people struggled with the screen resolution

[lucid iron]

How viable is gba sdv

[soft lance]

non existant

[tiny zealot]

not

[soft lance]

if ur saying for a 1990s pc, its 100% viable

[tender agate]

doubt I was mostly joking about the small square screen

[tiny zealot]

i think you could make a credible stripped-down version of stardew on the gba, but not the stardew we currently have

[tender agate]

or some modernized gameboy look-alike device

[soft lance]

I'd say ram is the largest factor, which is 8kb for the gb, and i think for the gba its 32kb + 32kb of vram

[tiny zealot]

who wants to rewrite the entire game to make it happen (not i)

[soft lance]

ive seen al ot of those pop up, those are fun, im sure it can run on those

same shape just different OS

[tiny zealot]

ram is obviously a huge problem. just the music alone is the majority of sdv's file size and it's all wavs loaded fully into memory in advance

you simply cannot do that on a handheld from 2001 or whatever it was

[soft lance]

its...possible

for the audio

but its...taking the soul out of stardew

we can play it in the worst audio quality known to mankind

and shorten the tracks by 70%

to be more repetitive

[tiny zealot]

you can't load a wav like that into memory on the gba. enoent

[soft lance]

your gonna have to lazy load it into memory

and its going to be compressed to heck, lose 90% of its original audio clarity

and be shortened by 70%

so that would need a custom audio system for the game to figure out how to loop tracks while maintaing space

its viable, but not desirable

after thinking, may need to just convert this into your own audio track that uses 1-2 notes, unlike todays audio tracks, will save space even further

[brittle pasture]

the people yearns for MIDI

[lucid iron]

What if u only rewrite enough to have the first event and 15 parsnip seeds

[calm nebula]

Selph midi mod shen

[lucid iron]

It's just like my bootleg pokemon games that only made like 2 towns

[calm nebula]

Tbh I would rather gut the gba and put a raspi in there

[soft lance]

100%

[soft lance]

32gb ddr5 ram 6000mhz

(costs life savings)

[floral stratus]

I'm a modder and have a really confusing problem. Any modders out there that can look at a simple mod for me? Please ping if you reply.

[uncut viper]

better to just describe your issue than ask if someone can look at your issue

[floral stratus]

I have a new artisan good. I put 3 items into 3 machines, one pops up in 20 mins (my test time) the others don't pop up at all

[lucid iron]

!json

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[floral stratus]

I know that, and frequently tell others that, but I'm embarrassed by my poor modding skills so I panicked

[uncut viper]

no need to be embarrassed here everyone is supportive and everyone had poor modding skills at one point in time

putting your relevant json(s) into the validator per the governor command and sendin the link here is the first step

[floral stratus]

https://smapi.io/json/none/22cb567319004666bcc8ff57744ea09a

[brittle pasture]

what are the items you tested with

everything looks right to me

[floral stratus]

Frog, Crayfish, Mutant Carp. All I had on hand

[brittle pasture]

and can you clarify what you meant by "don't pop up at all"

[calm nebula]

Can you use Lookup Anything to inspect machines

Also, is Automate installed

[floral stratus]

The items don't finish processing

Automate is installed, yes.

[calm nebula]

Double check the machines arent somehow connected to automate

(If unsure, hit U and screenshot for us)

[floral stratus]

Lemme test it again with the machines not touching. If that's the problem, I'll have to make sure it'll work with automate somehow.

[lucid iron]

Automate will just grab the item to chest you don't need special compat

[cyan marsh]

public IDictionary<string, WinterStarModel> WinterStarGifts { get; set; } I'm trying to find the best way to get my winterstar gifts done properly...

[floral stratus]

Okay, did some tests with nothing touching. Conclusion: Of the three, only the crayfish outputs, the other two just continue processing for an unknown duration

I'm gonna try lookup everything and see what that says

[proper kite]

sorry if there is already something posted about this but i think that some of the channels/links on here are hidden for me for some reason

but does anyone have any good resources for learning to code a mod that expands npc dialogue and adds heart events to them as well?

[cyan marsh]

aha.. found it

[gray bear]

!startmodding

[ocean sail]

Making mods can be broadly divided into two categories:

• Content packs are formatted text files, and don't need any programming knowledge. They can add/edit NPCs, maps, new items, shops, and more. To get started, see the list of framework mods, the wiki tutorial for Content Patcher, and there might be relevant guides on the tutorial wiki.
• C# mods use programming code to change fundamental game mechanics. See getting started with C# modding.

Usually it’s easier to start with making content packs, since you don't need to learn programming.

To use this command, type !startmodding.

[cyan marsh]

nvm

[gray bear]

see first option. there's also wiki pages for both dialogue & events
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Dialogue
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Event_data

[lucid iron]

It's good to look at similar mods for a start too

[gray bear]

start with just reading the content patcher docs introduction, and then you can either use wiki examples or what chu said

[proper kite]

thank you so much!

[cyan marsh]

okay.. I can't seem to get this to work: ```cs
private void WSGiftAdd_Click(object sender, EventArgs e)
{
foreach (KeyValuePair<string, string> item in StaticData.ItemList)
{
if (item.Key == ItemList.Text)
{
GiftList.Items.Add(item.Value);
WinterStarGiftArray = new WinterStarModel[]
{
Id = item.Key,
ItemId = item.Value,
};
}
}
}

This is what the Array is: `WinterStarModel[] WinterStarGiftArray;`
I get 2 errors :```
'Id' is inaccessible due to its protection level```

The name 'ItemId' does not exist in the current context```
Which they should

[gray bear]

Dialogue is overall pretty simple, and events...their syntax may seem scary but there's a lot of examples and helpful people

[lucid iron]

You made a new array

Need to make array without the fields and init the members

[summer sentinel]

llll

[lucid iron]

Idk if u have collection syntax but it would be like [ new Model() { field=whatever }, new Model { field=whatever },]

[toxic hornet]

fair enough, thank you c:

[cyan marsh]

i don't think i get that

[toxic hornet]

oooh good to know! thank you

[toxic hornet]

where'd you get the 64 & 4/3

[lucid iron]

This is what you have atm, in multiple lines

var WSArray = new WinterStarModel[];
WSArray.Id = item.Key:
WSArray.ItemId = item.Value;

[cyan marsh]

ahh

I see now

that will make it where WSArray would have everything right?

[toxic hornet]

woah that's so pretty! is that elle's flowery grass or a different mod?

[lucid iron]

Yep and array won't have field ItemId

[lucid iron]

It's elle's cuter grass yes!

[calm nebula]

64 = width of tile in pixels

4/3 = 75% zoom

[lucid iron]

Plus void urple grass

[gray bear]

[toxic hornet]

i love elle's grass

honestly i love all of elle's stuff though the bedroom eyes on the ostrich make me a tiny bit uncomfortable lmao

[gray bear]

the what

[toxic hornet]

i said what i said

[cyan marsh]

it wants a definite number for the array?

[toxic hornet]

ahhh gotcha ty

[cyan marsh]

Array creation must have array size or array initializer```

[gray bear]

does elle have have a ostrich retexture

[lucid iron]

Yeah u gotta put like 1 cus array fixed size

[brittle pasture]

or use List if you can't know the size in the first place

[lucid iron]

You might be wanting a list instead

[gray bear]

oh its not in the screenshots, i mean. its got funky eyeliner

[cyan marsh]

but this array can be any size D:

[toxic hornet]

he's giving bedroom eyes and ostriches do in fact find humans more attractive than other ostriches fairly often in zoos so i do not trust this ratite

[gray bear]

its eyeliner!!!

[brittle pasture]

(see above)

[lucid iron]

Yeah just do a List<Model>

[cyan marsh]

lol didn't see that Selph

[gray bear]

tbf elle does these animals very nicely. real life ostriches are, uh

[lucid iron]

Where is this type even from i thought winter star gifts is just generic item spawn field

[uncut viper]

it is

[toxic hornet]

why is he doing his face up to walk around in my farm???? still sus
/j

[lucid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/urban-rescue-ranch-uncle-ben-homelander-ostrich-curious-gif-6501042332662663141

[gray bear]

https://www.worldanimalprotection.org/contentassets/b4befd3f321543d6beefc69ce4f5cf57/1037907.jpg
you can see what she was going for

[lucid iron]

It's just realism

[gray bear]

with the large black eyes

[modest dagger]

don't look at me like that or i will make more ostrich recipes

[gray bear]

elle's just look friendlier

[cyan marsh]

so how to add the data as a list?

[toxic hornet]

i can and i'm not saying it's bad, i just personally have to go and paint over the eyelashes when i use those sprites

[toxic hornet]

ostrich recipes?? like for AHM????

[gray bear]

nah wiz has his own mod

[modest dagger]

i make meat

[gray bear]

grow your meat!

[toxic hornet]

what mod is it?

[modest dagger]

what bea said

grow your meat

[gray bear]

its technically vegan, if you think about it

[lucid iron]

Isn't this your types
You can change it to

List<WinterStarModel> WSList;
WSList.Add(new() { Id = key };

[modest dagger]

yea it's kinda like tofu when you think about it

[lucid iron]

I'm typing on a phone dont mind typos

[cyan marsh]

                    var WSGData = new WinterStarModel();
                    WSGData.Id = item.Key;
                    WSGData.ItemId = item.Value;
                    WSGList.Add(WSGData);
``` This too much then?

[lucid iron]

It's the same just whether u did syntax sugar

I got no strong opinions about this

Let IDE have opinions instead

[cyan marsh]

okay.. i mean it came to me but if the other is easier I'd rather do that

[modest dagger]

only two ostrich recipes exist so far

[lucid iron]

Syntatic sugar is about what comes to you easier

[cyan marsh]

I like that x3

[lucid iron]

That's why im sitting in my harmonyannotations r sinful hole :)

[gray bear]

do people eat ostrich a lot? picking a fight with it seems spooky

[uncut viper]

pry my annotations and automagic out of my cold, dead hands, chu

as soon as we get Cecil access im rewriting your mods to use annotations

[cyan marsh]

now i got to get that into the json

[lucid iron]

How would that work...

[gray bear]

is this some sort of C# war

[lucid iron]

Do you have to scan my whole dll for Harmony.Patch

[uncut viper]

i would yes

[obtuse wigeon]

an aesthetic C# war I think?

[uncut viper]

like a SMAPI rewriter but targeted just at you

[lucid iron]

What if there's actual reasons like terrible patch targetting every overload of draw

[uncut viper]

wdym, you can also do that with annotations

[lucid iron]

Or every ctor of DialogueBox

[uncut viper]

you can specify overloads in annotations chu

[gray bear]

should i be worried right now

[cyan marsh]

WinterStarGifts = new WinterStarModel[] { }``` How to shove that in here

[lucid iron]

But can u iterate through

[uncut viper]

what, are you worried about the number of overloads changing from one week to the next?

[lucid iron]

I slacc

[obtuse wigeon]

eh, it's only crimes against each other, the only worry would be for how long they are at war for XD

[uncut viper]

if im rewriting your mod to use annotations with my mod anyway i can just iterate to add the annotations

[brittle pasture]

just two people debating opinions where one opinion is clearly more correct than the other

[lucid iron]

But i also fully moved on from "why would you" to "could you do all that without breakage"

[gray bear]

which one is it

[uncut viper]

i like to think ive gotten pretty good at pushing things to just before the point where things break

[lucid iron]

But hm

Would there be a point if I never see the annotations

[uncut viper]

would satisfy me to see it done

maybe get you a few extra bug reports if i do it wrong

[lucid iron]

What if i made the reverse mod

Deannotator

[uncut viper]

then i will name my mod AAA.AAA and put it in afolder named AAA and rewrite SMAPI to blacklist your deannotator

that wouldnt be fair anyway i think deannotating would be much easier

[lucid iron]

Yes it's true the deanonated behavior is basically what's done by harmony already

[uncut viper]

im also just like. assuming Cecil would give me some sort of access to annotations in the first place. i actually have no clue what Cecil's limits are, if any

[toxic hornet]

Ooooh!! That's so cool I love it! is it compatible with AHM???

Also, is there perchance a list of current meats available? is there chevon?

[floral stratus]

Found the problem. Mod conflict and me being a dumbash

[obtuse wigeon]

(guessing the Cecil you're talking about it Mono.Cecil?)

[uncut viper]

yep

[brittle pasture]

I will avoid stating it outright because I wisheth not to join the battle, only to enunciate that if you know my heart you shalt know my stance on the matter at hand

[uncut viper]

SMAPI uses it, we cannot* use it

*we can but no point

[gentle rose]

mooooods button and chu are fighting and throwing things

[uncut viper]

(theres no point to us using it bc its meant to modify assemblies before they are loaded or as they are being loaded, as SMAPI does, but obviously by the time our mods run... they are all loaded)

[lucid iron]

I guess smapi might need like a 3rd class of mod things to enable Cecil

[uncut viper]

Selph doesnt like annotations

[lucid iron]

EntryCecilDll or something

[obtuse wigeon]

(ty, that's much clearer to me that the docs are XD)

[lucid iron]

That promises to loaf ahead of EntryDll mods

[uncut viper]

loaf ahead...

[lucid iron]

Mm loaf

[obtuse wigeon]

I could go for a good loaf rn

[uncut viper]

if the content modders yearn for the foreach, the C# modders yearn for the cecil

things that can never be...

[gentle rose]

I agree with selph and chu that annotations are crime btw

[lucid iron]

I want Cecil mainly to add fields to game dll

[uncut viper]

if y'all didnt write mods with bugs the annotations wouldnt make a difference / lh

[uncut viper]

i also want this and im like 75% sure this is why we cannot have it

[lucid iron]

No crimes

Well i suppose if a mod really wanted this