making-mods-general

[gentle rose]

I think for me in-game rewards should take the form of "unlocks a mechanic that's interesting and/or satisfying to use" rather than "gives you an item"

[next plaza]

Another thing I thought about re:science/tech was a crop genetics mod

(like modded minecraft, in the Forestry mod)

[tawny lily]

ohh with cross breeding and stuff?

[next plaza]

And its also way too easy

[tawny lily]

Mr beast jumpscare??

[next plaza]

No actual infrastructure, and day 1 access pretty much

[tawny lily]

yeah agreed

[next plaza]

Place a chest next to your furnace? Never need to do anything except add more furnaces adjacent

[tawny lily]

stardew's world is too limited for pipes though

[next plaza]

Potentially, but also like, traits you could improve to let them grow out of season a little bit, or in the desert, or slightly faster, etc.

[gentle rose]

science could also be some kind of scientific method thing where the more you do a certain action the more likely you are to discover something (invention), or in order to unlock an upgrade you have to do a bunch of varieties of a certain action a bunch of times (actual scientific method)

[tawny lily]

most you could do is have an extra machine that needs fuel for automate to work

[next plaza]

I have a notepad file about it somewhere

[next plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/power-hayden-christensen-star-wars-revenge-of-the-sith-annakin-skywalker-gif-5266504

[tawny lily]

i really like this idea

[gentle rose]

repeat scam in this server for a while now, governor gets them after a second

[next plaza]

I had a conveyor belt prototype at once point, which involved multiple world layers

Ground level, underground level, and above ground level

There's a gif of it somewhere on this server's abyss of casey prototypes

[gentle rose]

even easier in 3d

[tawny lily]

how did it control?

do you toggle between layers?

[next plaza]

Could've been worse, could've been better. I think I had some goggles to set you swap between them or something. Which was tedious, but my code crime techniques were less advanced back then

[tawny lily]

i see

[next plaza]

The only mod gifs I have favorited are:

• original 3d mod prototype (ie. not the new one, but there's a thread for that)
• wiggly arms

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/953855548586090566/1084700796937060382/StardewModdingAPI_mx0NzhHXad.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/156109690059751424/682068345729974295/2020-02-25_22-36-36.gif

(Wiggly arms was a "for fun" config option for Extended Reach)

[tawny lily]

damn that's cool! is this in the same engine?

[next plaza]

I had an electricity wire system conceptually working

And a "logic wire" system working (which let you toggle conveyor direction)

[next plaza]

Yep, it's a mod

The more recent prototype of it is in the secret crime thread which definitely isn't located here: https://discord.com/channels/137344473976799233/1414326612215992446

Gotta scroll up to like october 11/12 for the most recent gif of it

also it supports VR

[tawny lily]

goddamn that's some dedication

I am incredibly impressed

[next plaza]

I should poke at it again, honestly

Haven't done much with it for a few weeks

[tawny lily]

I could do a stardew version of mystical agriculture maybe

[next plaza]

But now I'm sorta getting the standalone-game-itch once again

it's cyclical, it'll go away soon

[tawny lily]

i completely understand

i have this little 64x64 led matrix and progress has been

1 day of everything, 3 months of nothing

[next plaza]

The only reason I started working on 3d/VR again is I couldn't find a good stardew-like for VR

And making a game from scratch would take muuuuuuch longer

(And be much harder, because then I have to do all the other areas of the game too, like writing, design, etc.)

[tawny lily]

no true, but redoing everything so it works in 3d as a mod also seems like a lot of work

[next plaza]

I mean, I don't have to rework everything

I mean, assets, sure

But like, the gameplay will still be 2d

With some trickery

Like if you find one of the gifs with movement? That's vanilla collision handling

(I have some idea for making more 3d-like features, but that's for post-1.0)

(after all, what's the point of 3d stardew if I can't jump on the table)

[tawny lily]

you have to redo every map right?

[deep pier]

ok i cba to do this asesprite stuff anymore

i give up

[tawny lily]

lol what are u trying?

[deep pier]

downloading it.

[next plaza]

Original version, yes. This version, mostly no?

This version basically uses extra layers inside the map file (patched in via normal methods) that define a heightmap

[deep pier]

been watching this 3 min video for the last 30 mins

[brittle pasture]

not hard science but this is what I hope my WIP mod could be; I have some ideas like a floor item under sprinklers that keeps nearby dirt tilled, a deluxe heater that allows animals to go outside in winter, or a tackle that automatically smokes caught fish
I do echo the sentiment that much of the current magic mod scene is essentially "do X but with magic instead of however SDV does it", but at the same time it is hard to add on to the basic gameplay loop without either 1. an insane amount of work that 2. defeats the purpose of SDV being a chill farming game (that's why all of my ideas are just items that provides some passive effects instead of anything that requires engagement)

[next plaza]

Stuff like buildings and what not will still need models, but the terrain? Easy

I've got screenshots showing it somewhere in the thread

[deep pier]

not worth my time im not even spriting myself really im just tryna look at existing ones and edit slightly in case need be

[next plaza]

Yeah, it'd honestly be easier to replace the stardew game loop to be magical, instead of add magic on top

[brittle pasture]

I'm hoping that's what Haunted Chocolatier would be

[tawny lily]

i see so you "just" have a height map for the terrain?

[urban patrol]

(btw @deep pier i declined your friend req just because i don't accept them from this server on principle, it's nothing against you)

[brittle pasture]

aside from the chocolate

[deep pier]

oh all good

[next plaza]

Little more complex thanks to stardew being stardew, but mostly, yeah

[tawny lily]

The rest indeed seems like trickery to make it 3d (still very impressive don't get me wrong)

[next plaza]

Part of the project is gonna be 3d model versions of everything... so yeah, the trickery on that front will be gone eventually. (The billboards are placeholders)

(But also if we're gonna focus on 3d mod discussion we can move to the thread 😛 )

[tawny lily]

you could partially solve this by giving magic mods an alternative ways to do things to how you'd normally do them

like have some pedestal ritual thing going on that lets you conjure crops

[next plaza]

that's what I was complaining about before though

(But you responded to selph not me)

[brittle pasture]

yeah that is what most magic mods are doing already, and in my humble opinion it's not the best solution

[tawny lily]

I mean it more as an alternative to farming as a whole

or some other mechanic

no it's not good tbh

[next plaza]

Hence why I was dissatisified with Magic.

The other thing, is adding new things for combat

But that's not all that helpful when combat at its core isn't great

[tawny lily]

magic spells are also kind of meh since they are either too cheaty or too weak to bother

[tawny lily]

literally

[next plaza]

The movement and melee and enemies and and and ... need overhauling

(Which, hey, another one of my mod ideas I have various notes on!)

[tawny lily]

there's also like 3 enemy types

[deep pier]

@urban patrol help

[tawny lily]

flying enemies, melee enemies and slimes

[next plaza]

My combat mod was basically:

• fix movement
• fix attacking
• fix enemies (variety and AI)

One of the things I was considering was a damage type system, but I think I ended up deciding that'd be a "supported, but unused without additional mods" sort of thing

[tawny lily]

stardew needs a dodge roll

[next plaza]

hey now, slimes are trying their best

[urban patrol]

!ask

[ocean sail]

Ask your question or describe your issue here, and someone will help if they can!

To use this command, type !ask.

[tawny lily]

and swinging a sword shouldn't lock you into the animation

[next plaza]

That was one of the things I tried!

I didn't want to deal with farmer animations though (solely because of mod compatibility), so I ended up making it a dash instead

There's a gif of that somewhere around here, too

[tawny lily]

just use sonic the hedgehog sprites 👍

no one is gonna notice I think

[next plaza]

Hmm

[brittle pasture]

dodge roll, back dash, parry, tools, stagger into death blow

[next plaza]

Metroid-style morph ball with colors pulled from current outfit, got it

[tawny lily]

also stardew needs more particles if you hit something

[tawny lily]

EXACTLY

morph ball mode go

[brittle pasture]

I need poison cogflies in SDV

[tawny lily]

what if we replace the sheriff shooter game with binding of isaac

[next plaza]

Why not just add a new minigame

It can even be a spinoff made by the same company

[tawny lily]

no I need to remove the sheriff shooter game

[brittle pasture]

something something doom in SDV

[next plaza]

why

[brittle pasture]

(it is a mod btw)

[next plaza]

something something I did that mod already

[urban patrol]

i'm gonna make a haunted choclatier minigame for sdv before the official game even comes out

[tawny lily]

i have spent too much time grinding it and failing

[next plaza]

(though it wasn't quite what I was intending from the original idea)

[tawny lily]

Casey what mods haven't you done?

[next plaza]

Not many to be honest

Most things people do I have at least prototyped something similar at some point

Even on the framework side

[brittle pasture]

even poop framework?

[next plaza]

why can't I recall the name of this

[next plaza]

I did say most, not all

[tawny lily]

stardew diarrhea mechanic when

[next plaza]

Ah, here we go

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/7455

[brittle pasture]

thank goodness I would be worried if more than one people was struck with divine inspiration to make a poop framework

[tawny lily]

okay what about a little robot helper that flies around you and can help you with harvesting and stuff

[next plaza]

however if we count the transitive property of "what has casey allowed others to do using her frameworks"...

[next plaza]

Yep

I never got far on that one

though it wasn't gonna be a robot

It was gonna be a cat

[tawny lily]

aww

I'd give it different skins

[next plaza]

Different vanilla achievements would unlock different costumes

[tawny lily]

lil junimo helping you out would be so cute

[next plaza]

And of course it had a skill tree and such

[next plaza]

I had a junimo raising prototype too

Well

It never quite reached prototype

[tawny lily]

you did they far but you had a skill tree?

[next plaza]

It was gonna be like the Sonic Adventure 2 chao garden

[next plaza]

Planned, not implemented

[tawny lily]

ah I see

[next plaza]

It mainly never happened because the person I was gonna make it with stopped modding

We had some fun costume ideas

[tawny lily]

that's too bad

[next plaza]

Some of them were gonna be "replacers" rather than costumes, and one was gonna be pathoscat

[next plaza]

I have a screenshot of this somewhere on a different server I think

It never reached a playable state though

[tawny lily]

I see

[next plaza]

But the notes on that one were pretty detailed

[brittle pasture]

a chao garden-like thing would be so cool, though I'd have it replace the current rather underbaked slime hutch

[tawny lily]

factorio bots I meant btw

not slime rancher

[brittle pasture]

I don't think there is a single mod out there that actually makes the slime hutch worth it unless casey has something that was in the work for it

[next plaza]

Some of my other ideas-or-prototypes that I haven't mentioned yet are:

• proc gen caves
• "minecraft skyblock" farm type
• a different type of fishing that was basically a pokemon-style minigame
• alchemy

[brittle pasture]

(colored slime egg was close, like 25% close)

[next plaza]

These are all ones that never even really got to a good state in the github repo

...though I did have a gif of the mode of transportation for the skyblock farm

Lost somewhere on this server probably

[next plaza]

Nah, this was gonna be branching off in the secret woods

[uncut viper]

its worth it for me bc i like slimes

[tawny lily]

is there a building utils mod?

[next plaza]

See I always forget it exists. So no, I never did that

I've literally never built one in actual gameplay.

[tawny lily]

with features like a copy-paste

[next plaza]

could you be more specific

It kinda sounds like... happy home designer, was it?

[tawny lily]

you see this is why you need a boyfriend that always does the slimes because they're cute

[brittle pasture]

blueprints you say
there's Happy Home Designer's thing where you can save and paste furniture layout

[next plaza]

.s/boyfriend/girlfriend/
but also that requires someone I'm interested in to actually be interested back

(I also don't become interested in someone too terribly often to begin with, to be fair.)

[tawny lily]

yes that looks like what i was imagining

[deep pier]

i cant find a file for the vnailla icons of pets

[next plaza]

I haven't "seriously" played multiplayer casually (ie. not for testing) since I made the multiplayer mod so I could play with my brothers before the official MP was released

[deep pier]

i see the sprites in animals

[tawny lily]

i actually started modding for my own playthroughs :)

[urban patrol]

it's in LooseSprites/cursors i think

[brittle pasture]

the icons are in cursors

[tawny lily]

I don't think I've ever played single played in this game

[urban patrol]

cursors strikes again

[next plaza]

There's a reason I basically never make mods I'm not at least somewhat interested in the idea of. and also joke mods

[tawny lily]

yes agreed

all my mods are basically things I was missing at some point

[brittle pasture]

yeah I have never made a mod I won't use myself

[uncut viper]

meanwhile ive literally never used any of my mods in my own playthrough

[drowsy pewter]

i keep making mods that i hate in order to please others

just kidding

That would be ridiculous

[spice inlet]

woo recipe items

[next plaza]

I mean I have

insert joke mod collection

Why would someone seriously play with "Sharing is Caring"

[brittle pasture]

custom item query support for ticket machines? that is great

[next plaza]

And while not quite as bad, "Angry Seagulls" would also be pretty annoying

[brittle pasture]

not even Level Up Stars?

extremely important mod must have every playthrough

[tawny lily]

THATS WHAT THIS GAME IS MISSING

birds

[next plaza]

<insert another mod idea somewhere in my backlog>

[tawny lily]

install multiplayer exp share for the lil particles

[next plaza]

(It was a more expanded version of Bug Net, essentially. Including a zoo, like animal crossing)

[brittle pasture]

(yeah I don't think I'm capable of making a 100% joke mod. this is probably the biggest reason I didn't join the tortilla trend because I can't think of any idea that won't have me go "cool, time to disable this after going to bed")

[tawny lily]

better Call Saul intro every time you enter the greenhouse

[next plaza]

You mean you wouldn't be interested in playing with something like Autocorrect Valley????????????????????????????????????????

Wow the spam bots are really active today

or maybe it's just me that's more active

[tawny lily]

anyhow , I'm going to bed

it's way past my bedtime

😴

[brittle pasture]

does it support "Google Translated to a different language and back at least 10 times" mode

(gn!)

[next plaza]

no, but this is actually worse

Have you not seen Autocorrect Valley

I should expand that to work for every string in the game at some point, instead of just item names

[uncut viper]

i have not done a modded playthrough since 1.6 released

[brittle pasture]

I in fact have been reading its mod page, and I maintain that my idea could have potential to be more stupider

[deep pier]

if i want to refer to coordinates for icons, which are 16x16, would the firsts icons x be 0 or 1, same thing for y. and would the width and height be 16. then would the next icon be using an x coordinate of 16 or would it be 17. and so on for the next one being either 32 or 33?

[brittle pasture]

but mostly because I've seen some stupid crap as a bilingual speaker

[next plaza]

I mean, with translate, there's probably some semblence of the original meaning left

But what the heck is a "gloated quirt"

[brittle pasture]

everything starts at 0, yes

[next plaza]

(I mean, the answer is "a pleated skirt", but how would you know that without the corresponding item?)

[brittle pasture]

next is 16

[deep pier]

would my second icon be starting at 17

or 16

[next plaza]

Ah. I'm a monolingual plebian (though I am familiar with the many-translations nonsense for other reasons)

[uncut viper]

you translate first and then autocorrect

[next plaza]

That works

Unfortunately, I'm not paying for a translation API, especially with how much that would run on modded installs

Now, if there's a translation library that supports every vanilla language? I'll consider it

Oh, even better: Try translate, autocorrect anything that wasn't translatable to something else, then do the translate cycle

or just get autocorrect for every language and add that between each translation

[brittle pasture]

(just in case you didn't see my answer above, it's 16)
(the most reliable way to get pixels coord is via an art program like Gimp; you'd enable grid and use the selection tool)

[deep pier]

ok and should i be worried if the png for 6 icons for example is 95x16 pixels instead of 96 (bc 16x6 is 96 not 95)

mb for ping i js realised after sending if thats something that botheres u

[brittle pasture]

(I don't mind pings at all)

well it depends on where you're using the sprite; if it doesn't care about sprite indexes (ie. it only asks for exact pixel coordinates) then it's probably fine

but still for your sanity's sake if the icons are meant to be 16x16 the spritesheet should be 96 then

[deep pier]

for dogs i saw some thing called bark override is there a cat equivalent

or is it the same idk

[brittle pasture]

it's the same

[molten briar]

Alright I need some portrait for dummies tips. Stardew uses sheets, do the individual portraits have to be 64x64? I saw 250x250 is able to be uploaded into portraiture? What’s easier, what do yall recommend.

[brittle pasture]

from a technical perspective, 64x64 is easier because you don't need to do anything fancy with it as the game supports it already

from an artistic perspective, idk

from a personal perspective I greatly prefer portraits that stick with the vanilla pixel art style instead of HD

[next plaza]

I love being able to recognize who did the first react but what emoji was used

I've never seen anyone but blueberry use the nodding head - I mean, "head shaking vertically"

There's one emoji called "pffft" that is always... one person from the Ambiguous Trinity, not sure which (and I'm not even gonna try to remember which)

[brave fable]

99% sure green celebrity funny emoji is irocendar

the remaining 1% is forgetting which person irocendar is

[next plaza]

That was my instinct, but again, Ambiguous Trinity

[calm nebula]

Trinity?

[next plaza]

iro, ichor, and tlitookilakin, of course

Who else?

Those three all have very similar usernames to both of the other two, don't you agree?

please somebody convince my brain to be sane

(Also, I have to pull up wren on the @ ping dropdown (dropup?) every time I try to spell their username)

[brave fable]

if wren is tiktoklinkalink i do not try to spell their username

i need that valuable working memory for passwords and credit card info 🤝

[next plaza]

That is indeed who I meant

Remembering your credit card information? No need to boast so openly

[deep pier]

@urban patrol @brittle pasture @unreal spoke thanks very much for the advice everythings working now it seems

time to rot for a bit

[calm nebula]

The thing is iro has a dog

And ichor has a garden

So they are two different people in my mind

[next plaza]

[calm nebula]

In the same way Elizabeth is the sane one and I'm the insane one

[next plaza]

Those won't stick in my brain

• garden: requires touching grass
• dog: dog. need I say more?

[calm nebula]

Duke is so cute

So cute

[next plaza]

Hmm. Based on code (ie. elizabeth's mods/PRs, vs yours), I can agree with that

[calm nebula]

Ichor also has sourdough

[calm nebula]

What did i do that was insane 😛

[next plaza]

looks at macro pathfinder

looks at ROS, everywhere

looks at whatever that expression builder nonsense was

[vernal crest]

I woke up to this yesterday morning too! You are groundhog daying me!

Pffft is definitely iro

[calm nebula]

You're right that code was insane and irrelevant 😛

[next plaza]

which one

[brave fable]

oh, any of them

[gentle rose]

irocendar is the one with the font mod

[brave fable]

strange, i thought irocendar is the one with the portrait mod

must've confused them with someone else

[gentle rose]

no that's ichortower. obviously

[tender bloom]

Bluebs never said it was their own CC info. Could be yours!

[trim sand]

Silly map making question, how exactly does the game determine weather a tile is water for the purposes of self irrigating crops?
Trying to add a dedicated Paddy Crop space to a farm map of mine, so I guess it also means figuring out how to disallow sprinklers in that section...

[molten briar]

So if I was using 250x250 it would have to go into portraiture right?

[brittle pasture]

yes

[brittle pasture]

I believe if it's within 3 tiles of a water tile

[molten briar]

Dang. Is there any way to format to 64x64 or would I just have to start over 🥲

[brittle pasture]

MMAP also has a "paddy tile" thing so you don't need water

[trim sand]

So the specific tiles in the tile sheet huh?

[brittle pasture]

tile property Water, Back layer

[trim sand]

Interesting... Honestly still not really sure if the dedicated Paddy space is actually what I want but something feels super off with it from having been playing with the map so far and I wish I could explain better than that

like this is the silly little thing ive got going on. and between all the grassy tiles not being 'usable' space, it just feels super hard to actually do anything without severely getting in the way of either yourself or the barn animals the farm gives starting access too.

[brittle pasture]

you can try resizing in your image editor of choice

[lucid iron]

you can use this if desired https://github.com/Mushymato/MiscMapActionsProperties/blob/main/docs/tile-properties.md#back-layer-mushymatommap_paddy-ti

it just makes whatever tile a paddy

[brave fable]

of course you can just resize the image down, which will result in compressed/lost detail, or you can redraw it, or use a framework for HD portraits

[trim sand]

I see. going to mean some major map redesign if thats actually what I go for. wonder if i should just bite the bullet and make some of the grassy area tillable so the map isn't more than half dead space that spawns forage.

[molten briar]

Alright I’ll give it a shot thank you

[lucid iron]

well no this one is just tile property, you can slap them anywhere that's diggable

if you want to redesign map to have more water then you don't need this at all, vanilla paddy logic will apply

[trim sand]

unrelated to the actual water situation. since, as the above image, over half the map is as is untillable dead space. not even actually sure the paddy thing is going to fix the real issue.

[gentle rose]

there are like five different emojis I know are chu. demetriums is chu or blueberry. squinting laughing face (non puffer) is atra

[lucid iron]

[gentle rose]

yes that is one of them

[gentle rose]

except half the time if you check it will actually be scarlett

[calm nebula]

Atra is too frugal to pay for discord

If atra was not

You would get the knitting server's knit heart emoji

[tiny zealot]

i would probably also have a tell if i had nitro, but i don't know what it would be

[vernal crest]

I wanted mine to be the little blob cat but alas my intro is gone now

[brave fable]

well there's frugal and there's 'this is completely useless' haha

[drowsy pewter]

if i had nitro i would just be using pufferchick emojis in other servers, which is stupid, hence why i dont have nitro

[calm nebula]

Oh i so would be using everywhere but also

[quick lark]

The latest version of Smapi Launcher, 1.1.4??? for mobile.

[next plaza]

I used pufferemojis™ almost everywhere

Except :P, my beloved

[tight rivet]

I'm assuming

            "Action": "EditData",
            "Target": "Data/Machines",
            "TargetField": [
                "(BC)16",
                "OutputRules"
            ],
            "Entries": {``` is if you want to append stuff to output rules?

(I have both Joja Frozen Dinners and Drink Fresh Eat Frozen installed and I've finally got fed up enough to write a mod so you can just use the first's microwaves for the latter's items. <_<)

[drowsy pewter]

make micdrowave framework

[tight rivet]

scope creep peers at me sternly

I feel the gaze of my current task load saying no. :S

[hard fern]

micdrowave

[frosty hull]

Hello, i want to ask something about optimize startup load time on Windows platform

currently i found way to reduce load time around 3.5s from 4.5s to 1s

reduce time within code call SGameRunner -> GameRunner
and i disable code LocalMultiplayer.GetStaticFieldsAndDefaults()
my question: what is this function: LocalMultiplayer.GetStaticFieldsAndDefaults() ?
is really we need to call LocalMultiplayer.GetStaticFieldsAndDefaults on game startup ??
i think we can improvement this load time, just don't call LocalMultiplayer.Initialize()
we might need to call LocalMultiplayer.Initialize() when we open split-screen CO-OP mode

[tight rivet]

The funny thing about adding am od that lets you fish up trash is that DW&EF's items.. are all Trash category

[lucid iron]

this look like vanilla code, it's probably best to ask about it in #1387907186713301072 instead

as for what it does, GetStaticFieldsAndDefaults scans for InstanceStatics which is how vanilla game does local mp static swapping

i think it is getting optimized next version already by limiting who can use the [InstanceStatics]

mods should use PerScreen

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Migrate_to_Stardew_Valley_1.6.16#Instance_statics_no_longer_affect_mod_assemblies

[frosty hull]

wow 1.6.16 good thread

[frosty hull]

Oh cool👍

[lucid iron]

You can try timing stuff on the alpha branch

[frosty hull]

Ok, i will check it

i have test 1.6.16 alpha and reduce load time from 8.2s -> 7.7s

i'm not sure why on android it startup time just 2s

on android is really faster than windows 🥲

[gentle rose]

what are your computer's specs? (they shouldn't really be much lower than a phone, but still worth asking I guess)

[narrow owl]

suppose I loaded this sprite, how would I call it when making a new item in the "texture" field

[formal mica]

Hey all, so I'm considering making my first custom npc, who is a magic user and will appear at random times, then disappear after you talk to them to go back to an off-screen map (if that's a thing)... is that possible? Sorry if these are dumb questions, I've never modded before

[tiny zealot]

put the same thing that you have in Target, i.e. Mods/{{ModId}}/SeaweedSalad

[narrow owl]

ty

[narrow owl]

like this?

[tiny zealot]

off-screen maps are a thing, but you can't send them there after speaking to them with just content patcher, or maybe with any existing framework that i can think of

[narrow owl]

just before you go digging check if the wiki has what you need on the frameworks list

[formal mica]

Aw, so no way to warp them or whatever? Oh well

[uncut viper]

(BETAS can warp NPCs)

[narrow owl]

it has a ton of stuff

[tiny zealot]

well there you go, you can use BETAS to do it

[formal mica]

Is that a mod?

[tiny zealot]

yes

[formal mica]

Ah alright, thank you! Do you happen to know how that would work within an NPC schedule?

[tiny zealot]

contrast too low, can't read, but open up the game and see

[narrow owl]

k sorry, ty

btw:

      "Action": "EditData",
      "Target": "Data/Objects",
      "Fields": {
        "{{ModId}}_SeaweedSalad": {
          "Id": "{{ModId}}_SeaweedSalad",
          "DisplayName": "{{i18n: SeaweedSalad.description}}",
          "Description": "{{i18n: SeaweedSalad.name}}",
          "Type": "Cooking",
          "Category": "-7",
          "Texture": "Mods/{{ModId}}/SeaweedSalad",
          "Edibility": ""

[frosty hull]

hi, my pc:
ryzen r5 5500, ssd nvme
my android: snapdragon 8s gen4

[narrow owl]

[Content Patcher] Can't apply data patch "Fish nonfish ponds > EditData Data/Objects #2" to Data/Objects: there's no record matching key 'labryinth996.fishnonfishponds_SeaweedSalad' under Fields.

what does this mean?

[urban patrol]

you should be using Entries instead of Fields if you're adding a new object

[brittle pasture]

change Fields to Entries

yeah Fields is for targeted editing of an existing object

[narrow owl]

oh ty

you know what I find hilarious? The fact that I just wanted to put seaweed and algae in fish ponds and now I am knee deep in a side quest to make an expansion for fish_nonfish

lmao

[devout otter]

Hi hi, I need some logic help here. I have 3 different versions of the same event:

• One if the player has no spouse
• One if the player has any spouse at all
• One if the player specifically has any of the vanilla spouse.

How do I put those into precondition without using a When field?

[urban patrol]

is the second one for any spouse modded or vanilla?

[uncut viper]

probably tyhe GSQ precondition

[devout otter]

Any spouse at all, who are not vanilla. (because the vanilla spouse would get the third version)

[brave fable]

unfortunately, the Spouse precondition and the PLAYER_NPC_RELATIONSHIP GSQ only take an exact name match

[urban patrol]

idk that there's a way to distinguish between vanilla and modded without checking all 12

yeah it has to be specific NPC or Any

[uncut viper]

well the vanilla names are known ahead of time so checking all 12 is easily feasible

[brave fable]

although the GSQ does also take Any as an NPC name

[urban patrol]

can you use a query inside a GSQ?

[brave fable]

you still can't check multiple at once otherwise

[uncut viper]

just use ANY

though while maybe not Query you probably can just stuff all the vanilla names into a DT and do somethin with that and the Spouse token

[devout otter]

What I'm unsure of is... GSQ doesn't have priority like a When condition, right? How to ensure that the "Haley" version of the event would play instead of the "Any" version of the event?

[uncut viper]

one version would check that they have a spouse AND the spouse is one of the vanilla names

thje other checks that they have a spouse and the spouse is NOT one of the vanilla names

[devout otter]

Or how to ensure that the spouse version would play instead of the non spouse version?

[urban patrol]

event preconditions can be negated with !

[devout otter]

Okay, so...

[uncut viper]

i do actually like the Query idea i think that has potential

[devout otter]

• DolphINaF.AdoptLeo_Event2/!Spouse Any
• DolphINaF.AdoptLeo_Event2/Spouse Any/!Spouse Haley/!Spouse Harvey/!Spouse Sebastian
• DolphINaF.AdoptLeo_Event2/Spouse Haley/Spouse Harvey/Spouse Sebastian

?

Pretend that we only have 3 vanilla spouse.

Wait, no. The third one would never work.

[brave fable]

could you not simply put the Any event after the Vanilla event given they have the same event ID

[urban patrol]

yeah it would be checking that you have all of them as spouses like that

[uncut viper]

if you make a dynamic token named "VanillaNames" whose value is "'Abigail', 'Leah', 'Maru', [...]" then you can do {{ Query: '{{Spouse}}' IN ({{VanillaNames}}) }} which will be true if the player has a spouse that is one of the vanilla ones, and false otherwise
then you can put this query into the GSQ precondition

[devout otter]

Ah I'll try that.

Thank you!

Hmm, what's the drawback of using When with this, anyway?

[uncut viper]

that wouldnt be in a When condition

itd be in the precondition

but the downside to using When is that it isnt available in Event Lookup or similar if its not currently When-active

(and by "or similar" i mean any mod that might have an interest in knowing what events exist)

[devout otter]

Ah yeah sorry, I got that. I just changed the subject slightly asking what if I don't use precondition.

[devout otter]

Ah, hmm. Okay, I'll try doing precondition, then.

I was thinking that the same event would always be available anyway, just slightly different version, so would that matter much to Event Lookup.

[uncut viper]

you could do this in just a precondition without the Query too and could save yourself some context updates but itd be a kind of annoying ANY query to write and keep track of your quotes

i would think it'd matter to Event Lookup if your event didnt exist when it should yeah

can help the player figure out which one they might get

[devout otter]

Oh wait, wouldn't it be annoying if Event Lookup list events you can never get do to not having the right spouse and such.

[uncut viper]

or which one they might want to get

how do you know which one theyll never get?

[vernal crest]

Nah, not really. You just see that the preconditions are not going to be valid and that's that. It'd be more annoying to see an event, think you can't get the event because you won't meet the preconditions, and then get that event after all because the other variant of it was hidden behind a CP patch condition.

(A minor annoyance, I will admit.)

[urban patrol]

what is the update rate of When? if it's not something like OnLocationChange then i'd be worried about it sometimes not being ready

[uncut viper]

it can be quite a big annoyance depending on the differences and depending on the users other mods (for instance, if they have a poly mod, they can plan what order to marry people in)

[vernal crest]

Default is DayStarted

[uncut viper]

your Spouse isnt going to change any more frequently than once per night anyway

[devout otter]

Because it's like... the same event that differ only in actors. Say you have Daulton as a spouse, and then you see the event listed that has Daulton version and Elliott version. The only difference between them is that Daulton dances a little in his event, but otherwise it's exactly the same and you can't get them all anyway.

[vernal crest]

Not with that attitude /j

[urban patrol]

i guess that's only an issue if it's meant to play the same day then

[uncut viper]

its still not an issue

your spouse is updated overnight, just before your wedding

the tokens will update accordingly

[urban patrol]

ah okay

[uncut viper]

if you want my opinion, its that its not your decision to make to decide how much the user playing your mod should care about the differences

[devout otter]

And the event is not even about the spouse. It's a Leo adoption event. So I feel like the focus should be in listing the precondition that's related to Leo.

[vernal crest]

I definitely cursed all the modmakers with events gated behind CP conditions in my last playthrough

[uncut viper]

i might not be able to get them all, but if i specifically want to get Daulton's, i would want to know that it even exists beforehand

[narrow owl]

    { //Creating Items
      "Action": "EditData",
      "Target": "Data/Objects",
      "Entries": {
        "{{ModId}}_SeaweedSalad": {
          "Id": "{{ModId}}_SeaweedSalad",
          "DisplayName": "{{i18n: SeaweedSalad.name}}",
          "Description": "{{i18n: SeaweedSalad.description}}",
          "Type": "Cooking",
          "Category": -7,
          "Texture": "Mods/{{ModId}}/SeaweedSalad",
          "Edibility": 36,
          "ExcludeFromFishingCollection": true,
          "ExcludeFromShippingCollection": true,
          "Price": 170,
          "ContextTags": [
            "color_green"
          ]
        }
      }
    },
    {
      "Action": "EditData",
      "Target": "Data/CookingRecipes",
      "Entries": {
        "Seaweed Salad": "152 3 157 1 419 1/{{ModId}}_SeaweedSalad/s Fishing 3"
      }
    },

does this looks correct for making the item and recipe?

[vernal crest]

I was trying to ensure I had seen the content before retiring some mods (so I could use different mods next playthrough) and had extreme difficulty planning it

[vernal crest]

No, your recipe ID should be {{ModId}}_SeaweedSalad too, plus your recipe is missing field 1 so fields 2 and 3 are in the wrong place

[urban patrol]

you should test it out in game and see! :)

oop, after fixing those

[devout otter]

Alright. Another question then. What about compatibility? If I want to ensure another mod is able to add their version of the event, how could I set that precondition?

[narrow owl]

what do I put in field one, the wiki said unused

[uncut viper]

im not sure what you mean

[vernal crest]

"The values in field 1 are of different types for cooking and crafting recipes, but both kinds of value are unused by the game. For cooking, the field is set to a pair of numbers. For crafting, the field is set to Home or Field."

[uncut viper]

(@ dolphin)

[narrow owl]

so i can jus put irrelevant number?

[vernal crest]

You cannot skip fields in a slash delimited string. The number of slashes present is used to determine which field each bit is. If you don't have enough, you're putting things in the wrong place.

[devout otter]

So we have:

1. One if the player has no spouse
2. One if the player has any spouse at all
3. One if the player specifically has any of the vanilla spouse.

And say that Daulton wants to add a Daulton version in their mod.

[narrow owl]

got it, ty!

[devout otter]

How to ensure that it's the Daulton version that would be playing instead of event number 2?

[urban patrol]

i think that content pack could simply set your modded spouse event to null or overwrite it with theirs

[devout otter]

Which means not listing all the events anyway... 😔

[uncut viper]

well, unless you gave them permission to copy your event string

then they can just null out your original, then add a new one with the exact same script but an added GSQ precondition that the spouse is not Daulton

and then they add another separate event with the precondition being that it IS daulton

a C# mod can also do this for any event regardless of permission (since they would not need to distribute anything) so they can also make a C# component

[narrow owl]

    {
      "Action": "EditData",
      "Target": "Data/CookingRecipes",
      "Entries": {
        "{{ModId}}_SeaweedSalad": "152 3 157 1 419 1/996 996/{{ModId}}_SeaweedSalad/s Fishing 3"
      }
    },
```like this?

[steel musk]

does anyone know which frame it is that was used in the Flower Dance event? I’m trynna make the farmer dance in one of my heart events, for showFrame and animate script. looked this up in the wiki but im kinda confused.

[devout otter]

Ah I'm pretty permissive so that shouldn't be a problem. Thanks!

[narrow owl]

ty

[uncut viper]

itd be a lot easier and compat. ensured for content packs if the precondition was not also part of the key, but alas

[devout otter]

So basically it's weighting between compatibility between mods, and providing more user information huh.

[urban patrol]

oh wait ouch if you do use the query with your dynamic token that's going to suck so much for anyone who wants to edit it

[uncut viper]

i mean, just putting a When condition on it is kind of the worst of both worlds since the other mod would still need to null yours out

[urban patrol]

however, i wouldn't say that's your problem

[uncut viper]

if the player has a non-vanilla spouse then your Version 2 event still exists and would still prevent someone from adding a Daulton specific one

[narrow owl]

yo holy shit it works, tysm this is enough productivity for me today, basically just hit my weekly goal!

[devout otter]

In that case people could just use "When": {"Spouse": "Daulton"} And override them all because the key for all three events would be exactly the same.

[fervent horizon]

Anyone see anything wrong in this? The location loads but does not get applied. I have looked at other packs and I am pretty sure I did everything correct, but I am still not able to have the game recognize the location.

        {
      "LogName": "Register BS_HatShop location (interior 1)",
      "Target": "Data/Locations",
      "Action": "EditData",
      "Entries": {
        "{{ModId}}_HatShop": {
          "DisplayName": "Hat Shop",
          "DefaultArrivalTile": { "X": 10, "Y": 10 },
          "CreateOnLoad": { "MapPath": "Maps/{{ModId}}_HatShop" },
          "ArtifactSpots": [],
          "Music": [],
          "MusicDefault": null,
          "MusicContext": "Default",
          "CustomFields": {}
        }
      }
    },
        {
      "LogName": "HatShop - map",
      "Target": "Maps/{{ModId}}_HatShop",
      "Action": "Load",
      "FromFile": "assets/HatShop_Interior.tmx"
    },```

[uncut viper]

im not sure how thats any different from doin that when all 3 versions simultaneously exist

[narrow owl]

how do you make it so your recipe is in the cooking collection? i dont see anything for that on wki

[fervent horizon]

Pretty sure all cooking is in no matter what

[narrow owl]

yup nvm it was just wierd visual bug\

ty

why does it say this?

the ingredients worked and its not that

[urban patrol]

does your map successfully load? do you see errors in your log? can you debug warp to it?

[fervent horizon]

When I try to warp it says the location doesn't exist

[devout otter]

Presumably people wouldn't want to touch the event that needs the queries anyway. Hopefully.

[vernal crest]

Can you share the log?

[uncut viper]

people cannot edit preconditions regardless of what you put in them

it doesnt matter if its a query that becomes /GameStateQuery TRUE or just /GameStateQuery ANY "PLAYER_SPOUSE bla bla"
they cannot edit it

[urban patrol]

i was just thinking that if anyone wanted to edit the event script or null it out they would have to copy the query and token too

[uncut viper]

of the two, id much prefer copying the query than the ANY gsq mess

[urban patrol]

true lol

[fervent horizon]

I can share the summary

-------------------------------

   Local tokens:
      token name | value
      ---------- | -----
      ModId      | [X] BSavage81.HatShopRestorationUB

   Patches:
      loaded  | conditions | applied | priority  | name + details
      ------- | ---------- | ------- | --------- | --------------
      [X]     | [X]        | [ ]     | Default   | Flavor mail after exterior repair (EditData Data/Mail)
      [X]     | [X]        | [X]     | Late + 20 | Forest exterior touch-ups + door warp to Hat Shop (EditMap Maps/Forest)
      [X]     | [X]        | [ ]     | Exclusive | HatShop - map (Load Maps/{{ModId}}_HatShop => Maps/BSavage81.HatShopRestorationUB_HatShop) // hint: asset name may be incorrect (shouldn't include '.HatShopRestorationUB_HatShop' extension).
      [X]     | [X]        | [X]     | Default   | Register BS_HatShop location (interior 1) (EditData Data/Locations)
      [X]     | [X]        | [X]     | Default   | Unlockable Bundle: Exterior Repair (EditData UnlockableBundles/Bundles)

   Current changes:
      asset name                | changes
      ------------------------- | -------
      Data/Locations            | changed entries
      Maps/Forest               | patched map tiles
      UnlockableBundles/Bundles | changed entries```

I know it gives the hint, but I don't get why I am getting that with the code I shared

[narrow owl]

@brave fable what was the candle supposed to mean, im sorry idk 😭

[urban patrol]

the hint pops up with the use of ModId sometimes, i don't think that's your issue

[brave fable]

the game defaults to using the Torch recipe when the crafting recipe is invalid. can you share your full content file at https://smapi.io/json ?

[devout otter]

Using "When": {"Spouse": "Daulton"} would ensure that that version event would only happen when the spouse is Daulton. While nullying the second event to replace the key with "if spouse also not Daulton" means that any change I make to the second event would be overriden by the Daulton mod even if the player doesn't marry Daulton.

[narrow owl]

https://smapi.io/json/none/82588d690725454c98e4a5c784735e5d

[vernal crest]

!log The hint is unrelated. Can you share your full log, please?

[ocean sail]

Important note: Your computer username may appear in the log. If your username is your full name, please be aware of this before uploading it.

Please share your SMAPI log file. To do so:

1. Open this page: smapi.io/log.
2. Follow the instructions at the top of the page to upload the log file. (Don't copy & paste from the console window!)
3. After uploading, it will show a green box with a URL to share. Post that URL here.

Please do it even if you don't see any errors. This has useful info like what mods and versions you have, what the mods are doing, etc. If the issue didn’t occur in your last session, please load the game to the point where the issue occurs, then upload the log.

To use this command, type !log.

[uncut viper]

the theoretical Daulton-specific-adding-mod can just do the same thing regardless of whether theyre replacing one event that is the only event or only replacing the Version 2 event

any change you make to thi single event would also not matter if theyre nulling it when the spouse is Daulton regardless

i said earlier they can replace with two versions of the event but your example up there made me realize that they can also just Not do that and just replace the Version 2 wholesale with a Daulton-specific version when married to Daulton

[brave fable]

under the Id, add the line "Name": "{{ModId}}_SeaweedSalad", to your Data/Objects change

[uncut viper]

because if theyre married to Daulton then it doesnt matter that they overwrote the non-Daulton versions because they are already married to Daulton. they arent gonna be married to someone else

if they marry someone else then their When condition stops applying

this does mean that in this compat. instance that they would then have the choice of ensuring all events are listed or sacrificing just one of them

but sacrificing one event in some cases but keeping them all otherwise, is better than sacrificing them all in all cases

[narrow owl]

    { //Creating Items
      "Action": "EditData",
      "Target": "Data/Objects",
      "Entries": {
        "{{ModId}}_SeaweedSalad": {
          "Id": "{{ModId}}_SeaweedSalad",
          "Name": "{{ModId}}_SeaweedSalad",
          "DisplayName": "{{i18n: SeaweedSalad.name}}",
          "Description": "{{i18n: SeaweedSalad.description}}",
          "Type": "Cooking",
          "Category": -7,
          "Texture": "Mods/{{ModId}}/SeaweedSalad",
          "Edibility": 36,
          "ExcludeFromFishingCollection": true,
          "ExcludeFromShippingCollection": true,
          "Price": 170,
          "ContextTags": [
            "color_green"
          ]
        }
      }
    },

this?

[vernal crest]

Drat, I missed that it was saying Id instead of Name. There is no Id field in data/objects so they should just replace "Id" with "Name" shouldn't they?

[uncut viper]

correct, there is no Id field in Data/Objects

[devout otter]

Indeed. But that goes back into the problem of Lookup Event not listing all the possible events. That's why I said it's weighing between compatibility and user information.

[uncut viper]

its not really weighing it though. you're choosing between hiding 2 events versus sometimes another mod author might have to hide 1 of them

[narrow owl]

wierd

[brave fable]

oh right, too used to looking at itemid in c#. yeah just replace Id with Name

[narrow owl]

they as in me or pathos? or who?

[narrow owl]

ty

[brave fable]

they as in you

[narrow owl]

ty, srry jus a bit slow with stuff

issue resolved, ty

[devout otter]

Aa sorry, I was not conveying my thought well. When I made the statement I was specifically thinking about "When": {"Spouse": "Daulton"} (hiding Daulton's version of event unless you marry him) versus nullifying and replacing the second event (giving user a list of 4 event versions).

[fervent horizon]

https://smapi.io/log/3d1cdeaca36b4e8db4237c4f7c3d1429

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.3.2 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24354 on Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.26100.0, with 151 C# mods and 413 content packs.

[gusty moon]

hi guys, im new modding and wondering if its possible to change the opening trailer where grandpa gives u a letter etc. couldnt find related content in unpacked content folder

[brittle pasture]

the sprites are in the Minigames folder

if you actually want to change how it plays out that'd be C#

[urban patrol]

SMAPI blocked asset replacement for 'Maps/BSavage81.HatShopRestorationUB_HatShop': the '(CP) Hat Shop Restoration (UB)' content pack incorrectly set asset to a null value. this line is your issue i think

[gusty moon]

oh! didnt check that due to the folder name thanks

[vernal crest]

That seems too late to me. But the log won't load so I can't check!

[uncut viper]

let's put it like this. There are 6 scenarios possible here:

1. You leave all 3 events in the data, no When condition. No other mod wants to add their own spouse version. All 3 events remain visible in Event Lookup.
2. You leave all 3 events in the data, no When condition. Another mod adds a Daulton event. They do this by nulling your Version 2 event and replacing it with their own when Spouse = Daulton. There are 4 versions of the event possible, but only 3 are shown in Event Lookup.
3. You leave all 3 events in the data, no When condition. Another mod adds a Daulton event. They do this by copying your Version 2, changing the precondition to add a !Spouse Daulton check, and then add a separate event just for Daulton. There are 4 versions of the event and all 4 are visible in Event Lookup.
4. You put a When condition on your events so only one version of your event exists at one time. No mod author wants to add their own version. 1 of 3 possible events is visible in Event Lookup.
5. You put a When condition on your events. A mod author wants to add their own Daulton version. They null yours and replace it with their own when Spouse = Daulton. 1 of 4 possible events is now visible in Event Lookup.
6. You put a When condition on your events. A mod author wants to add a Daulton version. They copy your event script, add a !Spouse daulton to the precondition, and then add a separate event just for Daulton. There are now 2 of 4 possible events in Event Lookup.

[gusty moon]

thanks a lot ill try for a bit

[vernal crest]

What's before it?

[urban patrol]

well it's not a pretty log lol let me look closer

[uncut viper]

the scenarios in which you leave all 3 events in the data with no When condition will always lead to more information being visible in Event Lookup for the player

[vernal crest]

It should be the line right above it

[uncut viper]

compared to scenarios where you When condition it

[vernal crest]

(Lines)

[urban patrol]

oh you're correct it's a tilesheet error

StardewModdingAPI.Framework.Exceptions.SContentLoadException: (CP) Hat Shop Restoration (UB) loaded map 'assets/Maps/HatShop_Interior.tmx' with invalid tilesheet path 'z_HatShop_Interior.png'. The tilesheet couldn't be found relative to either the map file or the game's content folder.
   at StardewModdingAPI.Framework.ContentManagers.ModContentManager.FixTilesheetPaths(Map map, String relativeMapPath, Boolean fixEagerPathPrefixes) in E:\source\_Stardew\SMAPI\src\SMAPI\Framework\ContentManagers\ModContentManager.cs:line 423
   at StardewModdingAPI.Framework.ContentManagers.ModContentManager.LoadMapFile[T](IAssetName assetName, FileInfo file) in E:\source\_Stardew\SMAPI\src\SMAPI\Framework\ContentManagers\ModContentManager.cs:line 263
   at StardewModdingAPI.Framework.ContentManagers.ModContentManager.LoadExact[T](IAssetName assetName, Boolean useCache) in E:\source\_Stardew\SMAPI\src\SMAPI\Framework\ContentManagers\ModContentManager.cs:line 99
   at StardewModdingAPI.Framework.ModHelpers.ModContentHelper.Load[T](String relativePath) in E:\source\_Stardew\SMAPI\src\SMAPI\Framework\ModHelpers\ModContentHelper.cs:line 64
   at ContentPatcher.Framework.PatchManager.ApplyLoad[T](LoadPatch patch, IAssetName assetName) in E:\source\_Stardew\Mods.Pathoschild\ContentPatcher\Framework\PatchManager.cs:line 585.```

[vernal crest]

There we go

[fervent horizon]

Yeah, it is a dumb asset name error

I'll check tiled in the morning and make sure it is a relative name

[urban patrol]

(btw all those east scarp errors likely mean you have two copies of the mod installed)

[twin wadi]

yeah the folder or image name dont always make sense the infamous cursors you will someday encounter in modmaking

[urban patrol]

the tilesheet can be named whatever, but you have to make sure it's either being loaded or in the same folder as the map, and also embedded

[fervent horizon]

Yes, that was a future me issue to troubleshoot

[vernal crest]

I recommend loading that tilesheet if it's a custom one you've made

[fervent horizon]

Yeah

This is what I get for taking like an 8 month break. I forget all the details

[vernal crest]

They'll come back to you

[fervent horizon]

Thanks for the help. I now know where to begin tomorrow

[plush vault]

I don't know the whole conversation about the seaweed salad.
But SVE has one.

},
"FlashShifter.StardewValleyExpandedCP_Seaweed_Salad": {
    "Name": "Seaweed Salad",
    "DisplayName": "{{i18n:object.seaweed-salad.name}}",
    "Description": "{{i18n:object.seaweed-salad.description}}",
    "Type": "Cooking",
    "Category": -7,
    "Price": 200,
    "Texture": "Mods\\FlashShifter.StardewValleyExpandedCP\\Seaweed Salad",
    "SpriteIndex": 0,
    "Edibility": 70,
    "IsDrink": false,
    "ExcludeFromFishingCollection": true,
    "ExcludeFromShippingCollection": true,
    "ExcludeFromRandomSale": true,
    "Buffs": [
        {
            "Duration": 900,
            "CustomAttributes": {
                "FarmingLevel": 0,
                "FishingLevel": 1,
                "MiningLevel": 0,
                "LuckLevel": 0,
                "ForagingLevel": 0,
                "MaxStamina": 30,
                "MagneticRadius": 0,
                "Speed": 0,
                "Defense": 0,
                "Attack": 0
            },
        },
    ],
},

[devout otter]

Yar, when I said "weighing between compatibility between mods, and providing more user information" I was comparing number 2 and number 3.

And then my thoughts went astray.

[narrow owl]

yeah, this one is for practice

[uncut viper]

well in that case it becomes the other mod author who wants to add compat's problem

[vernal crest]

!twocakes

[ocean sail]

If you discover that someone has made or is making a mod with a similar concept to yours, don't stress! Our community promotes the idea of "two cakes", where two versions of the same idea can peacefully co-exist. Your mod will have your own unique stamp on it that makes it special.

To use this command, type !twocakes.

[vernal crest]

Yikes it's weird going back to a normal mouse. My hand keeps wanting to tilt sideways.

[twin wadi]

did you use to have a vertical mouse?

[fervent horizon]

Speaking about other mod compatibility, you made the mouse friends mod didn't you?

[devout otter]

Is it incompatible with something...?

[fervent horizon]

No

[vernal crest]

Still do, I just realised it might be what's making my chest muscles so sore so I just swapped back to a regular mouse just now and it's so odd haha

[fervent horizon]

I am reworking the Hat shop restoration mod from the ground up, and wanted to chat with you when I get it ready

[devout otter]

Ah, okay! There's gotta be some changes to account for that.

[fervent horizon]

Yeah, I want to do what I can to make it compatible.

[wraith bay]

#making-mods-general message solarize came over to modded-stardew asking if someone coul dhelp them with this (since no one here replied)

[twin wadi]

oh yeah it feels so weird using regular mice vertical mice help my wrist so much (sorry this is getting off topicky lol)

[fervent horizon]

I am close, once I get these errors wrapped up

[twin wadi]

try looking at the farmer sprite asset maybe? lemme check rq

[vernal crest]

When people don't know the answer they usually don't respond because otherwise 90% of this channel would be people saying "that's not something I know, sorry"

[devout otter]

Thanks for the heads up! Feel free to ping or DM me when you're ready!

[wraith bay]

totally fair. just figured y'all might have missed it and they weren't sure how to ask again.

[twin wadi]

omg i havent opened vsc is so long... im so lost

so many tabs

[brittle pasture]

and sometimes things just get buried under active conversations

[fervent horizon]

Same, I feel like I am starting over. Forgot all the rules for stuff.

[steel musk]

it goes from 0-125

every body sprite on the left corresponds with a hand/arm sprite on the right.

im kinda confused tho cause there are only 6 body sprites on the left, but have 8 arm/hand sprites on the right. i know the flower dance sprite is the 7th arm/hand sprite but i can't get into it.

EDIT: talking about the first row.

[twin wadi]

ough there was a file with what every farmer pose was that someone made but im so lost in my spaghet file structures

[fossil osprey]

Just joined in on the convo, but when the farmer "dances" isn't it just a weird combo of "walking forward" and that one "half-squat" animation?

[fervent horizon]

This is how I dance, so that makes sense to me

[steel musk]

i want to make the farmer raise their hands, just like in the flower dance.

[twin wadi]

if you use aseprite

[fossil osprey]

If I check the wiki page you sent, it's saying "row 1 frame 1, row 1 frame 5" etc.

[twin wadi]

hopefully that helps at all

this is all from the top of my head which is very sleepy rn so those files might not help but hopefully it does! the different colors should correspond to layers that describe what the poses are

and you can match up the index with the pose and go from there

[fossil osprey]

Raising hands looks like the 4th frame with the corresponding 2nd set of arms

[steel musk]

thank you. this is super helpful. gonna use this in making more heart events.

[dire kestrel]

woah this is crazy useful

[twin wadi]

credit to fireredlily for going through the pain lol

[twin wadi]

the flowerdances are the magenta ones here if my brain is braining

[ornate locust]

pulls up channel, sees pants and armless sprites AAA flashbacks to the pants mod

I bet sleeves are a real pain too, huh

[brave fable]

sleeves are handled automatically by the game unless you're working in fs where it's manual

[obtuse wigeon]

this would've been so useful when I was cursing at the farmer sprites XD

[ornate locust]

So it's just pants that are cursed

(barring FS)

[brave fable]

well sleeves are more slightly haunted, given it naively picks 3 colours from around the armpits for chroma-keying the shirt colours to the sleeves template

[ornate locust]

Oh, that's a different curse, huh

that actually explains some oddities I noticed the one time I was messing with a shirt

[tight rivet]

it's always fun seeing an expansion wiki go

"the fish is available in all seasons!"

"skellady.SBVCP_Aberrant": "skellady.SBVCP_Aberrant/95/mixed/20/60/600 2600/winter/both/690 .15/4/.1/.1/7/false",

"oh."

In.unrelated news I kinda now want to make an electricity mod and know I shouldn't

[brittle pasture]

season in fish data is unused

[ornate locust]

alright, out of curiosity, why's it there then? What's it actually do? nothing?

[brittle pasture]

the same reason alex's house is called JoshHouse

(artifact from previous versions of the code)

[ornate locust]

I mean, it's a mod though. I guess whoever did the fish wasn't aware of that?

[brittle pasture]

it's there because something has to be there

[ornate locust]

Oh so it has to be there and it isn't used

that makes more sense

[obtuse wigeon]

Usually with fields like that I put something to help me find it in the code better, might as well be useful to me if it's unused by the game

[brittle pasture]

(more correctly, the field can be blank, so it's probably there because the author thought something has to be there. regardless my point stands, the field is unused, and the mod author is fully aware of that fact since that fish is correctly listed on the wiki as all seasons)

[ornate locust]

Yeah if I was looking at my code and saw a blank field, I'd probably think I messed up too, putting a thing there is probably helpful if it isn't used anyway

[tight rivet]

.. That means the reason it's not spawning is .. uh.. wonkier.

because it's not spawning for me, hence why I was curious why. I guess I'll open up the location data.

[ornate locust]

If that's the fish I think it is, it's like the Legend and you gotta fish a specific spot

I caught it just a few days ago

https://sunberryvillage.wiki.gg/wiki/Aberrant aha, sure is, click the spoiler

[tight rivet]

... you've got to be -

Thanks!

[hallow prism]

is it? in this specific case because the fish ignores it? Because i'm pretty sure it is used in normal cases

[tight rivet]

i think it's "this fish is spawned in by something else" so it ignores the season data

[brave fable]

the wiki claims that the location data is prioritised:
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Fish_data
it's possible that this value is used as a fallback, but i haven't checked.

[hallow prism]

hmm, i will have to look at my fishes data at some point then

[uncut viper]

i dont see anywhere using it as a fallback

a fish is skipped entirely if its location data says its not the right season, and the function further on that checks the slash-delimited string doesnt bother looking at the season section at all

[hallow prism]

hmm then i missed a change in 1.6, no big deal

[paper sundial]

Me waiting for Demetrius to open his door so I can test a mod (I forgot to install CJB cheats)

[hallow prism]

debug commands should still be here

[hallow prism]

debug time (time) may help depending of the goal

[paper sundial]

🙏 Thanks, that works (Unlike the mod )

[wicked gulch]

Hi everyone!
Have a little question about making cooking recipes.
Is there a possibility to use ContextTags in recipes code? Or is it only allowed to use ItemIDs?
Trying to make my recipe more "universal" so to speak but have no luck so far
And my code for the recipe looks like this:

"Pemmican": "684 1 -4 1 item_berryitem 3 390 2/10 10/Aimon111.WitchSwampOverhaulCP_Pemmican/none",

[obtuse wigeon]

If you don't mind a dependancy, SpaceCore allows for using context tags in recipes

I think however you have to include a translation key and an image for them, unless theres a way to get them automatically that I'm unaware of

[obtuse wigeon]

Whoops forgot to ping, sorry!

[vernal crest]

Yup needs spacecore.

6480 just released a mod focused entirely on this! Flexible cooking recipes I think it's called. It would be a great one to look at as an example.

[wicked gulch]

Thank you a lot!

*also... some sneak peak at new swamp fish

crab pot fish actually

[vernal crest]

You can actually probably reach out to him and work with him to make it so your recipes are made flexible inside his mod if you want to

[hallow prism]

i don't believe it's needed as the focus is vanilla recipes

what aimon can do is :

• tag ingredients properly
• have their own spacecore flexible recipes on their mod

(with config if needed)

(aka : if you make a crab pot fish, give it the crab pot fish context tag like vanilla has (with the proper formatting i don't have on hand), and if a fish is a lobster intended to be used in lobster dishes, have lobster_item as a context tag)

[wicked gulch]

Thanks!

[hallow prism]

if you have context tags question let me know

[drowsy pewter]

I recommend using the tag format berry_item instead as this is what is tagged in flexible cooking and in cornucopia and other mods

[hallow prism]

note that for your example, if you use the berry_item context tag for your recipe in spacecore, it will require that the user has a mod that adds those tags to the fruits. If you want flexibility, i suggest listing both the berry_item and the tags for blueberry/banana/whatever you consider a berry and have maru comes at you with berries facts

[drowsy pewter]

My phone wants to fire react everything i accidentally double click on, please know i am not that enthusiastic abiut modding discussion

[hallow prism]

(spacecore default behaviour is to accept either tag A or tag B if you list several)

[drowsy pewter]

yes, or steal the context tag codes from flexible cooking

[hallow prism]

note that i don't have a fire react but i'm THAT enthusiast about context tags 😄

true, that is another option

[obtuse wigeon]

context tags rightfully deserve a fire react, I adore them

[hallow prism]

now i want an event with maru explaining berries to the player, in the true spirit of tomato event
(she loves strawberries so she probably have Opinions on berries)

[drowsy pewter]

Btw, a lot of languages dont have a simple concept for berry, I found this issue when working on a quest

My translators had to translate it including examples of berries in the text

to make sure players would know what is meant by berry

[obtuse wigeon]

That's a really interesting thing, Welsh also doesn't really have a common word for just "berry" they're grouped in with "fruit", I never made the connection

[hallow prism]

french has "baies" but fruits that has "berry" in their names in english don't in french

(strawberry is fraise, raspberry is framboise)

[fossil osprey]

And a strawberry isn't a berry, contrary to pineapple

[obtuse wigeon]

pineapple isn't actually a berry, it's a collection of berries, each of the little diamond shapes you see on the outside of the pineapple is it's own berry

bananas however are berries

[vernal crest]

So even though English does have a concept of berries, it's wrong lol

[obtuse wigeon]

Very wrong XD (in spoken language atleast, the botanical definition of berry is right)

[drowsy pewter]

well i dont think theres anything wrong in a given language

thats prescriptivism (and says that science is more 'correct' than day to day speech)

just that the relative category that we english speakers consider as berries doesnt exist in every language

[vernal crest]

Or in science

Or rather it does in science but it's different

[fossil osprey]

That's probably the same biais as in cladistic nomenclature, for too long we placed under the same class similar looking animals when they were actually completely different

The best anecdote I have with that is, using the old class system, mammals are fish

[obtuse wigeon]

reminds me of carcinization, when sea creatures evolved into things resembling crabs, completely separate to each other

[wicked gulch]

Yay it works now! Thank you everyone for help

[drowsy pewter]

cool!

[spice inlet]

#modded-stardew message
@dusky sail
Hello!
I've updated UB with the ability to use recipes as rewards.
Just write (UB.Recipe) before the item id:

"GuarenteedRewards": {
  3:  { "ItemId": "(UB.Recipe)(O)197", "Amount": 1 }, //Cheese Cauliflower Recipe
},

"RandomButUniqueRewards": {
  "(UB.Recipe)(BC)167": 1, //Deluxe Scarecrow Recipe
}

Additionally RandomButUniqueRewards can be used in PrizeTicketMachines for rewards that will be given in random order, but only once per player. You will need to mix them with RandomRewards or RandomRewardSpawnFields, since unique rewards will eventually deplete.

[dusky sail]

i owe u my life

[wicked gulch]

Is there a way to add artifact dig spot with specific x y tiles in the map that can only be digged once? Similar to how it works in vanilla game with Treasure Chest in Railroad map for example?

[spice inlet]

Theres the Treasure tile property, which supposedly isn't fully implemented and UBs SharedDigSpot/IndividualDigSpot.

[narrow owl]

this from distant lands expansion?

[wicked gulch]

Thanks!
Yep, tried Treasure property but it isn't fully workable indeed - the item spawns back every next day plus smapi gives error every time if you try to dig the spot 2nd time

[wicked gulch]

yep

[ivory plume]

(For what it's worth, the Treasure tile property is fully implemented; it's just implemented for the way the game uses it, not as a general-purpose dig spot spawner for mods.)

[fast plaza]

I know somone is gonna come tell me how I coulda done this better but I'm pretty happy with this little hacky thing i did

I needed an item to be able to float in the air easily and potentially spawn particles. looked around the debris + chunks stuff a bit and it just felt like it wasn't quite right for what i needed

so I just stuck it in a big slime and made it immobile, invisible and die on contact

[wicked gulch]

Got it, thank you

[lucid iron]

Haunted

[obtuse wigeon]

Those are the kind of solutions I love hearing people use, very resourceful and it works well too!

[lucid iron]

What if u have magic arrow trinket

[fast plaza]

Apparently! I got the idea from that thing in the first paper mario game where some 3D NPC's are just 3D objects stuck to an invisible 2D NPC and the whole train hat thing from that one fallout game

[fast plaza]

Yeah I've still gotta do some checking around on stuff like that.

[lucid iron]

[obtuse wigeon]

I immediately thought of the train hat too, pretty sure it was New Vegas

[fast plaza]

Train hat guy thank you for saving me from tons of work with debris/chunks stuff

[lucid iron]

In the past i think i used temporary animated sprite for this sorta thing

But for this case the contact checking would have to be done elsewhere if this route

Maybe if it was a projectile...

[narrow owl]

I love that mod!

[fast plaza]

Projectile sounds like it would work too but the whole "item that needs to float in place" just fit way too damn well for the big slime

[lucid iron]

Yeah i was thinking more in terms of what'd be less hassle for compat

Other mods just see that this is a Monster and may have attacking abilities apply to them

[frosty hull]

Hi, Is will good? if we fix log timestamp from
"hour:sec:minute" to "hour:sec:minute:millisec"?
like
original: - [00:24:43: DEBUG SMAPI] Waiting for game to launch...
new: - [00:24:43:881 DEBUG SMAPI] Waiting for game to launch...
just add millisecond 3 float point

[fast plaza]

Oh that's true yeah :/

Guess il have to see.

[lucid iron]

This may bloat up the game log file size somewhat i feel

Also if u want better timings u can use profiler (the mod)

[obtuse wigeon]

I don't see how it would increase the log file by much, given it's just a text file, each character is a byte right? 4 extra bytes per line couldn't add up to much surely?

(I don't have a log from a normal play session to work out the increase unfortunately, limiting the amount of data I can gather)

[frosty hull]

i think we can make config for toggle that feature
like: logTimestampFormat = "HH:mm:ss:fff"

[lucid iron]

My personal opinion is that it's not really worthwhile to have, vs dedicated profiling thing

[royal stump]

If using FTM is an option, the forage spawner has a "buried" item type that creates dig spot with custom contents, e.g.
{"category": "buried", "contents": ["joja cola"]}
https://github.com/Esca-MMC/FarmTypeManager?tab=readme-ov-file#item-settings
And the setting "LimitedNumberOfSpawns": 1 will make a spawn area only fire once per save, if needed

[wicked gulch]

Omg, thank you!

*Realizing I completely forgot about FTM possibilities lol

Been trying to reinvent a wheel for couple of hours haha

[woeful lintel]

that's what programming is all about!

[rose path]

for fashion sense, is there a template for pants that has the actual farmer in it? I’m having trouble figuring out which pants sprite is for which position the farmer is in

[fleet oxide]

I'm having trouble editing a particular SVE asset. I'm trying to recolor the default snow overlay in the winter town map. This is how it's targeted in SVE and how I've tried to do it in my mod, but it just isn't working. I've tried targeting "Mods/FlashShifter.StardewValleyExpandedCP/winter_town", but that doesn't work either. { //Adds snow to buildings and objects during winter "Action": "EditImage", "Target": "Maps/winter_town", "FromFile": "assets/recolors/Default/winter_town.png", "When": { "EnableTilesheets": true, "IsOutdoors": true }, "PatchMode": "Overlay", "Update": "OnLocationChange" }, Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

[hallow prism]

you need to find where it loads it

IF it loads it

if it doesn't, then you can't edit it

if it does, you'll have the path to use

[fleet oxide]

Can you clarify what you mean by "where it loads it"? Do you mean I need to add "ToArea" coordinates?

[uncut viper]

does your mod have a dependency on sve on its manifest?

[fleet oxide]

Yes it does

[uncut viper]

what did your json look like in your first attempt? Before trying the Mods/FlashShifter[...] form, since that will never work

[fleet oxide]

Ok, that's good to know. This is my first attempt, it's an asset I forgot to target when I first made my mod

[uncut viper]

(also what edit exactly are you trying to make to the Tilesheet png?)

[hallow prism]

the asset you try to target is loaded by SVE. Where and how?

[uncut viper]

I'm not sure why a Load is coming into play when from the SVE json it is doin editimage on a vanilla Tilesheet?

[hallow prism]

depends of what sort of overlay we speak about

[uncut viper]

to clarify tern, is that json snippet you sent your json, or the json from sve?

[hallow prism]

SVE for example "overlay" leaves in fall, but they are part of a tilesheet

[fleet oxide]

My mod desaturates all of SVE's assets. So I want replace SVE's snow overlay with the one from my mod that's less saturated. The snippet I included above is almost exactly from the SVE json that adds the overlay, and I tried to use it in my json to target my file

The only thing I changed was the "when" to use a config option from my mod

[uncut viper]

and you're certain it's whatever png they were overlaying onto winter_town that is adding the asset you want to desaturate?

[fleet oxide]

Yes, it's the winter_town.png that adds the snow on the bridges and fences

[uncut viper]

is the issue that nothing changes at all, or that some of the SVE changes are still visible and unaffected beneath yours? (or vice versa)

[fleet oxide]

It doesn't seem to change anything at all

[hallow prism]

!patchsummary may be helpful

[ocean sail]

Can you do these steps to provide more info?

1. Load your save and view the content that should be patched.
2. Type patch summary directly into the SMAPI window and press enter.
3. Upload your SMAPI log to https://smapi.io/log (see instructions on that page).
4. Post the log link here.

To use this command, type !patchsummary.

[hallow prism]

either a full one, or one for your mod id

[uncut viper]

(thank you lumi i had to afk for a quick moment before i could say that)
i would also double check that your manifest dependency is set to the CP component of SVE and not the C# or FTM component

[fleet oxide]

https://smapi.io/log/bcd177c18ae44e3380ab7ecf15ae0fe5

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.3.2 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.26200.0, with 12 C# mods and 7 content packs.

[fleet oxide]

Yup, I do have the dependency set to the CP component

[uncut viper]

is your patch in an Include file?

[fleet oxide]

No, I don't think so. Everything's in the content file

(btw that's a super helpful command I didn't know about, thank you!)

[uncut viper]

are you 100% certain you're saving the file and/or editing the correct copy? because this summary doesnt even list any patch whatsoeverf or Maps/winter_town from your mod, let alone one not being applied

[obtuse wigeon]

forgive me if this has already been asked or not, are you editing the files that are loaded into the game? and not ones elsewhere?

[fleet oxide]

oh my god. throw me in the trash

yes, I'm editing the wrong file

[obtuse wigeon]

(well it certainly has already been asked, just 2 seconds before I asked XD)

[uncut viper]

(also unrelated but i was mobile earlier and couldnt explain well, but the reason that Mods/FlashShifter.StardewValleyExpandedCP/winter_town would never work is because that whole Mods/UniqueId whatever prefix is made up. it doesnt matter. it doesnt do anything. you're not auto-targeting something in a mod's folder by doing that. you can only ever edit a Target exactly as the other mod targeted whatever it is)

[fleet oxide]

Thank you! That's good to know

Super sorry for wasting everyone's time! At least I learned a few new things?

[uncut viper]

not a waste if you learned something!

[obtuse wigeon]

it's also a very common mistake I see (and make) often, so you're certainly not alone XD

[uncut viper]

computers are computers after all and they only do exactly what we tell em to do. almost every question someone asks for help in here with is something they couldve solved themselves

which is to say its not a waste of peoples times in this case or else it'd be a waste in all cases

[fleet oxide]

(FYI, everything worked as expected when I edited the right file)

[subtle condor]

This is a long question, but I have a very fundamental problem XD. So basically, I am trying to change the Minecarts so they don't spawn a Text Box. I made a new small "middle map" where you can teleport in between by just right clicking. So it is literally just a TileData tile with the property Action Warp x y custom_map. However, everything works perfectly fine and the whole thing itself works. The issue is, the tile where the normal minecart functions are located is inaccessible I think. The json file for the minecarts just lets me change or add destinations, but I cannot change or remove the tile's location from where you start the minecarts. I can kind of break the code by removing a destination, but then by right clicking the tile, the game just does nothing and in the smapi log it outputs "ignored action due to missing destination" (not the exact phrase, but sth like that). However, what it doesn't do is letting me place my tile with TileData Action Warp there. The Minecart in the Mine specifically seems to be different. There the Minecart does work via a simple TileData tile with the Action MinecartWarp Default Mine, what means that the tile is easily replacable. But for the other minecarts, this is not the case, they seem to be hard coded. Is there a way to remove the game's original minecart function or maybe just a way to replace the tile for the normal minecart functions? I am mostly using Content Patcher, but I also have the setup for a C# mod. The issue is, I am completely new to modding in general AND to working with C#, so I don't really know where to even begin facing this problem XD

Long ass question, I'm sorry XD

[uncut viper]

you would need C# yes

well

potentially not actually

they are hardcoded to check certain tile indices (or at least BusStop is, im assuming the others are similar)

but if you change what tile is painted there that should work actually

you could just replace the tile that looks like a minecart in Tiled with your own custom minecart that looks exactly the same but would have a different index

by tile indices i mean like its literally looking for what part of the tilesheet .png the player clicked on, essentially

in the case of the BusStop you'd need to replace the tiles on the Buildings layer and im again assuming the others are similar

[subtle condor]

Wait, so the game checks for the used tile in the Tilesheet, not for coordinates in a gamefile or something? This would also explain why the minecart in the mine is different, because it is the only one that is horizontal and that is also used by the mine itself (for like coal minecarts in the mine)

[uncut viper]

that is correct

mostly. the coal minecarts and it being horizontal dont matter

they couldve hardcoded the mine one too

it just isnt

but the bit about it not checking for coordinates and just checking the used tile is how it works

[subtle condor]

This is so interesting, I would have never thought of that XD thank you, I'll test it right away

[uncut viper]

theres still a surprising and sometimes annoying amount of places that used tile index checks for functionality

which tbf, sometimes its kinda the best option

[subtle condor]

That is very good to know (I guess the whole paths tilesheet works that way), I'll keep that in mind

[valid folio]

Hi, I made a mail to test if I could get it to work, but the mail never arrived. I’m not sure if I set up the mail, the trigger action, or something else incorrectly. I’m unsure if I set it to send the mail at Farming level 4 correctly because I couldn’t find the link that explains it, but I think that’s how it works, so I set it that way. I copied the structure from a mod that sends mails.

https://smapi.io/json/none/5dde20b7624145dcb952a1236d9d3f53

[brittle pasture]

this is the page that explains what goes in the Condition field: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Game_state_queries

the correct format is PLAYER_FARMING_LEVEL Current 4

[valid folio]

Ty, Selph, you are the best!

[subtle condor]

It works perfectly fine, thank you 🙂

[tight rivet]

"Condition": "PLAYER_HAS_MAIL Host IsJojaMartComplete", should work for joja path complete, right?

[brittle pasture]

that's a CP token, not an actual mail flag

[tight rivet]

.. HM

hm.

Okay.

So I'd.. wnat that in When.

[brittle pasture]

you probably want the flags as listed here: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Mail_data#List (if you're going the GSQ route)

[valid folio]

The mail arrived, the text is visible, and the machine I attached was delivered too, but the crafting recipe wasn’t. To send an item and a recipe, is Mail Framework Mos required?

[brittle pasture]

just looked, your mail is malformed

%item object {{ModId}}_BioSynth 1 %item craftingRecipe {{ModId}}_BioSynthRecipe%% (incorrect)
%item object {{ModId}}_BioSynth 1 %% %item craftingRecipe {{ModId}}_BioSynthRecipe%% (correct)

[valid folio]

Aahh ok, I wll fix it

[brittle pasture]

though note that the mail may still look weird (I don't think it properly displays both item and recipe in the same mail)

you can get around it by adding the item with a trigger action instead
%action AddItem {{ModId}}_BioSynth %%

[tight rivet]

thanks!

[valid folio]

Ok, I’ll try both ways. Thanks again, Selph. In the following link is the corrected version so far, the one I’m going to test.

[valid folio]

It worked!!! Thank youuuuu
I used this
item object {{ModId}}_BioSynth 1 %% %item craftingRecipe {{ModId}}_BioSynthRecipe%%

Do I need to do something to make the machine appear bigger with Better Crafting?

[brittle pasture]

is it a big craftable?

[valid folio]

Yes, they are the three machines at the bottom.

[brittle pasture]

hmm then I don't know what's up lol

[valid folio]

Hahaha, well, it really doesn’t matter. As long as it works, I think it’s fine.

[urban patrol]

huge kudos to whoever wrote the C# beginner's guide on the modding wiki, because i finally feel like i kind of grasp the concept of C# mods and how they work now

i was struggling with how to connect my unrelated programming knowledge and what i'd read of the decompile/other people's mods/the things people have taught me in here

[hard fern]

you can just overlay pants over the farmer base

[valid folio]

Selph, could I send you a private message now? I need you to give me the green light on something.

[brittle pasture]

sure

[tight rivet]

I feel vaguely I might have screwed up somewhere, lol:

just a feeling

I suspect I need a space {{i18n:MyoldfriendsE1.text}}[letterBG Mods/{{ModId}}/backgroundE.png] between the }} and [

[ornate trellis]

hm

i am no mail expert but my custom bg works so what i can say is my difference is i do not use forward slashes

[tight rivet]

... hm

that might explain it

except I do use / in the content.json

[uncut viper]

why does your asset name have a .png in it?

[tight rivet]

uhh.

stares

good question?

past me has left no notes

[uncut viper]

thank you!

[ornate trellis]

that....yeah, true

[ornate trellis]

tbh same with my stuff 🤝

[tight rivet]

didn't solve it, but it needed to be done anyway. Hmm.

[ornate trellis]

did you try changing the slashes?

[uncut viper]

you havent added an index

[letterbg <asset name> <index>]

there were no errors in your log?

[tight rivet]

nope

[hallow prism]

what do you have now?

[valid folio]

Is there a way for a crop or a bush to change the color of its leaves depending on the season?

[lucid iron]

you can do the ol EditImage

nothing built in iirc

[hallow prism]

cornucopia does it for bush i believe, no idea if it's a feature of bush framework or an edit by cornucopia

[valid folio]

Were you saying that to me? I didn’t quite understand.

[lucid iron]

i was replying to you yea

do content patcher EditImage using the Season token as condition

[valid folio]

Ok, I’ll have to ask 6480 then.

[hallow prism]

i'm pretty sure you can look at the mod first

be proactive

[valid folio]

Ah, okay. I’ve never done something like that. Is there a place where I can read how it’s done, or a mod that uses it so I can check it out? I got excited about an idea and want to see if I can pull it off haha.

[valid folio]

It’s just that I don’t know where to look in the mod, and I also don’t see very well, so I’m looking for a bit of guidance. I try to do everything on my own, but sometimes I have no choice but to ask.

[tight rivet]

for the mail? "{{ModId}}.MyoldfriendsE13": "{{i18n:MyoldfriendsE13.text}}[letterBG Mods/{{ModId}}/backgroundE][#]{{i18n:MyoldfriendsE13.title}}",

i'm slowly fixing it as I'm doing classwork @.@

[hallow prism]

mine are using two \ but i'm not sure if it's needed or just habit

[lucid iron]

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/tokens.md#placeholders

[hallow prism]

I'm not sure if index is mandatory like suggested, it is worth a try

[lucid iron]

this example on the official docs is basically whats needed

[uncut viper]

the index is mandatory

the slashes dont matter

they would matter if mail was a slash-delimited string (which is why they matter for things like Furniture or Fish)

but it aint

[valid folio]

Ty < 3

[urban patrol]

is there a way to trigger an event to only happen when you enter town after leaving the library/museum? i see there are location GSQs but i thought i recalled there being some issue where location doesn't update or smth

it's no big deal if it's not possible, i can just have people accept a little weirdness when the player walks out of the library for the event

[lucid iron]

you can abuse the quirk of player location perhaps

PLAYER_LOCATION_NAME has lag on update that may or may not still be library when entering town

[urban patrol]

i'll test that out lol

thanks

[lucid iron]

besides that was there way to limit events to a particular tile?

[hallow prism]

there is a tile of arrival

[uncut viper]

why does the wiki entry for player_location_name endorse spacecore's time trigger

[hallow prism]

used by the community center event

[urban patrol]

oh hmm i could do touch action event for the tile outside the library maybe

[urban patrol]

ooh i'll look at this

the completion of the CC you mean, right?

[hallow prism]

no

lewis event to introduce you to the building

it can only trigger when coming from bus stop, because it uses the tile as a prerequite

[urban patrol]

and it's only checked when location changes, then, correct? like it wouldn't trigger as you approach the library?

[tight rivet]

nope. :S

let me try \ next

[lucid iron]

letterbg looks case sensitive

u have letterBG

[tight rivet]

...

if that's it I will be very upset at myself

[uncut viper]

does it look case sensitive?

[lucid iron]

if (!(text2 == "letterbg"))

is not equalswithoutcase so

[uncut viper]

well thatd explain the lack of errors from not having an index

i did check for case sensitivity earlier but the weird negation into it being an else confused me into thinking it was just "are you textcolor? if not, fallback to this"

[tight rivet]

... that fixed it for at least one of them

and it does say 'letterbg' in the wiki page, and I got confused with the letterBG sheeet

.. time to check the other one

the culprit was THE DEVELOPER with MISSING ASSET in the CONTENT

... But it's working now

[vernal crest]

Because I don't know of any CP-only way to be able to check a player's location in the middle of the day and I didn't want to mislead people into thinking that GSQ would never return the correct location.

I can add a BETAS one too if you want!

[uncut viper]

no that would be the opposite of what id want
it aint my wiki so c'est la vie and all that

[vernal crest]

I figured that since it mentions CP all over the place it was ok to sometimes mention other mods too

And spacecore was the one I had experience with because I already knew it had a time trigger

[lucid iron]

wouldnt location changed trigger check location in middle of day

now for the "expected" result of PLAYER_LOCATION_NAME, LOCATION_NAME Here <name> works as expected

[vernal crest]

Yes but this is the GSQ that only checks the previous location

[lucid iron]

i use that one for the mmap things that spawn random critters on map on entry

[vernal crest]

So I guess I should have said "checks a player's location without changing location"

[lucid iron]

i think it feels out of place mainly cus gsqs r used in many places not just trigger

[vernal crest]

Because the fact that it checks the previous location is not expected behaviour and has tripped a lot of people up so I wanted to warn people of that. But then Pathos said that it's only when changing location so I thought that perhaps it would matter to people to know that if they could check without changing location it would behave as expected.

Feel free to edit it if you think it can be better explained.

[lucid iron]

well i think it does explain the "use LOCATION_NAME in LocationChanged" tip as is now

Note: When used with a LocationChanged trigger, it will check the player's previous location rather than the one they are warping to. If you need to check the current player's new location, use LOCATION_NAME. If you need to check a specific player you may need to use workarounds such as using SpaceCore's time trigger. 

the second sentence re: specific player is the confusing part cus wouldnt it work mostly ok just with rare race conds if checking another player?

[vernal crest]

I have no idea what a "rare race cond" is lol

[lucid iron]

like imagine we have p1 and p2 and map1 map2
if p1 goes from map1 to map2, then wants to do something on LocationChanged if p2 is currently in map2
PLAYER_LOCATION_NAME would give the right value cus it's already updated for p2

the race condition comes if p1 and p2 enter the new map at the same time

[vernal crest]

What if someone wants to check the host on map 1 but not farmhands and only the host is anywhere near map 1?

[lucid iron]

as long as the player being checked isn't currently in the middle of warp the value will be correct

e.g. when u do debug gq PLAYER_LOCATION_NAME Current FarmHouse when just standing still somewhere it'll give the right true/false depending on whether u be in the farmhouse or not

[vernal crest]

And so we come back to: how can it be checked not in the middle of the warp? GSQ in query in dialogue maybe?

[lucid iron]

yea sure

or shop Condition

because you can use gsq anywhere that accept action via If it's hard to say

but it is also true that PLAYER_LOCATION_NAME is the kind of gsq ppl mainly want to use in locationchanged

[uncut viper]

it can also just be checked literally whenever a C# mod wants to check it

[lucid mulch]

(and many C# mods blow up by doing those checks wrong for multiplayer as from hosts perspective the farmhands location will be null while mid-warp)

[uncut viper]

/!\ warning! this user is about to post an opinion, not a declaration that things should be different to cater to them specifically! /!
my original comment was because my ideal wiki page that documents game behaviour and functionality is technically correct, objective, and mod-agnostic i.e. makes no assumptions or endorsements about using something third-party (e.g. another mod) to use it. it simply documents specs.

that + i wasnt sure how a time change was relevant

[lucid iron]

perhaps like

Note: The player's current location is updated slower than the game's current location. This mainly impacts usage in LocationChanged as PLAYER_LOCATION_NAME will check the player's previous (not yet updated) location. Use LOCATION_NAME to check the location they are entering. This GSQ works as expected in other cases where the player isn't in the middle of changing locations, and it's likely that this behavior will be fixed in future game updates.

hm do u think it works correctly for daystarted

if u passed out elsewhere

[lucid mulch]

Also I think the difference in PLAYER_LOCATION_NAME and LOCATION_NAME is a bug and hopefully is fixed in 1.7, I wouldn't want this quirk to become a feature

[lucid iron]

yea i can put Due to a bug, in that

[lucid mulch]

iirc you warp during dayending, so daystarted it would already be a stable value.
its purely the locationchanged trigger that fires mid propagation

[lucid iron]

fun

i shall go do edit if no one has objections

[uncut viper]

not my wiki not my monkeys

[patent lance]

New quote added by atravita as #6734 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/1437234604124672212)

[pale pecan]

Hey there! I'm having some trouble with writing a custom data model to the save file and was wondering if anyone could provide a bit of elucidation on why that might be.

[karmic gust]

does anyone happen to have the link that lists other locations in Stardew (outside of Pelican Town)? I'm not sure if it's on the stardew wiki or the modding wiki but my googling isn't helping

[devout otter]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Location_data Do you mean like here on the bottom?

[drowsy pewter]

like lorewise?

[karmic gust]

yeah lorewise

[drowsy pewter]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Setting

[royal stump]

it'll probably help to know what your process is & the error you're getting, but as a random guess, you might be trying to save net objects (e.g. Item)? those contain circular references and might not be directly compatible with save data

[karmic gust]

thank you!!

[pale pecan]

The tl;dr:

I have a ModData model that stores a dictionary. This dictionary has keys corresponding to tags used to keep track of mod data, and values corresponding to the actual states of those tags.

A tag can have four states: Unreserved, Reserved, Ready, and Active.

The behavior I'm seeing is that the dictionary is being maintained throughout one play session, but upon exiting and re-entering a save, all tags are being reset to Unreserved (their default).

[lucid iron]

where are you storing it

[pale pecan]

Helper.Data.WriteSaveData("TagStateData", (ModData) modData); has been what I've been using

(And I've confirmed that the entries within the runtime version of the dictionary are updating properly, their values just aren't being maintained when written)

[lucid iron]

i remember being unable to use anything other than string as dict keys

doesn't deserialize correctly

i have this in one of me mods for ref https://github.com/Mushymato/MachineControlPanel/blob/main/MachineControlPanel/ModSaveData.cs

there's prob jsonconverter stuff i could have done, but lazy

making all the dict keys string worked out

[pale pecan]

Hmm. All my dict keys are strings, but their values are a custom object with a bit of complexity, so that might be the issue.

[lucid iron]

I think custom objects are fine as long as your fields or props r public

But yeah i recommend opening the save up to see what smapi actually wrote

[pale pecan]

...

The answer was so simple 😭

The custom object's fields were ALL being reset to defaults whenever they were being created because they were given initial values outside of the constructor. sigh

Well tyty! XD

[worldly wadi]

Hey sorry if this is a dumb and stupid question, but how do I create an indoors map? Like, inside the house of an npc. Is there a tutorial? My mind only works with a tutorial

[lucid iron]

It's not any different than making a normal map

Just that you use door warps and don't set is outdoors

[tiny zealot]

the only "difference" is which map you should copy-paste from as a starting point (an indoor one instead of an outdoor one)

[worldly wadi]

Tytytyttytytyytytytytytytyty

[tender bloom]

i recommend starting with an existing one, and deleting most things out/editing

then you have a lot of map properties premade for you

[worldly wadi]

Also, are there any framework mods you guys recommend to help me? I'm new to modding and it's all so confusing to me.

Sorry if I misspelled any word, english is not my first language

[hard fern]

you dont need any other framework besides CP for buildings, at least for just what you want to do

[tiny zealot]

if you're new, stick with content patcher, and to be honest i recommend resisting the urge (at least at first) to seek out a framework when you encounter something CP can't do

[autumn tide]

could you clarify what you mean by 'framework'?

[urban patrol]

i feel like it's a common misconception that you MUST choose a framework when making your first mod. i remember i had the same misconception, and i think one of the first questions i ever asked here was what the wiki meant by that. maybe we could take a look at the wording?

[worldly wadi]

For now, I'm using Content Patcher, Ftm and BETAS.

[tiny zealot]

it is sort of technically true, in an unhelpful way /lh

[worldly wadi]

Oh it's bc I have other things to do, not only the map
many other things
too many of them

[ocean sail]

@worldly wadi You leveled up to Cowpoke. You can now speak in our voice channels and share images in all channels!

[autumn tide]

oooh you're teal now!

[urban patrol]

the very first step being "choose a framework" maybe could be reworded to "choose a framework, CP is recommended for basics and there are others for advanced features"?

[hard fern]

i think it should be something like "figure out which framework you'll need for your intended purposes" or something?

bc if someone wants to make a mod for clothing, they have either CP or FS to choose from, but something like FTM won't really help them unless.. uhh they want to forage the clothes..? can FTM even do that.

[urban patrol]

i like that but i think that's a little opaque to newbies who have no idea what a framework is lol

[hard fern]

hmm maybe something that also tells u what a framework is, i guess?

[autumn tide]

omg we need to forage clothes NOW

[hard fern]

[urban patrol]

i'd love that, but i also don't know if we can even agree on what constitutes a framework

[autumn tide]

true-

[uncut viper]

that wouldnt even be correct though, CP is like, the most advanced and capable framework out there

[urban patrol]

i'm open to rewording!

[uncut viper]

and its implied that your mod must be at the very least a CP mod