making-mods-general

[uncut viper]

what did you even do to make it?

and what content.json file did you double check if there is none at all

!startmodding

[ocean sail]

Making mods can be broadly divided into two categories:

• Content packs are formatted text files, and don't need any programming knowledge. They can add/edit NPCs, maps, new items, shops, and more. To get started, see the list of framework mods, the wiki tutorial for Content Patcher, and there might be relevant guides on the tutorial wiki.
• C# mods use programming code to change fundamental game mechanics. See getting started with C# modding.

Usually it’s easier to start with making content packs, since you don't need to learn programming.

To use this command, type !startmodding.

[uncut viper]

you're making a Content Pack, not a C# mod

[quaint portal]

it shows up here in my local files/not the one uploaded to the mods folder for some reason. i tried deleting and redownloading and it still doesn't show up for some reason? maybe i should just remake the project and copy the json data over bc clearly some weirdness happened when i was making the project

[uncut viper]

you should not be making a "project" at all

its just json files in a folder

[quick sand]

if youre making a content pack you shouldnt use an ide ie: visual studio

[uncut viper]

im not sure where you got it from that you need to be using Visual Studio and compiling things for a CP mod, but its incorrect

[quick sand]

just notepad or any simple text editor

[uncut viper]

follow the links in the startmodding command up above

[quaint portal]

OH ok fantastic thank u i think i was just following a really bad tutorial thank u sm!!!!!

[urban patrol]

(we don't recommend notepad because it doesn't have things like auto indentation)

[uncut viper]

if you were making a C# mod, you would be using Visual Studio and compiling things

a content pack for Content Patcher is not a C# mod

[urban patrol]

notepad++ or visual studio code are ideal for CP

[uncut viper]

not commuinity

[quick sand]

when i switched from regular to notepad++ my mind was blown

[uncut viper]

Visual Studio Community is a full-fledged IDE

[urban patrol]

man i always mix them up, sorry

[uncut viper]

and likely what they were already trying to use

its Visual Studio Code

[urban patrol]

visual studio code?

great, edited my message

[uncut viper]

also, while not directly relevant to your original issue, if you think you needed Json Assets, you don't

[urban patrol]

to add a fish i recommend following this tutorial instead of the other one you said you were following: https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Adding_a_New_Fish

[shut edge]

https://i.imgur.com/fKk5as6.png

anyone know what that top middle one is?

[brittle pasture]

probably unused

[shut edge]

https://i.imgur.com/DQWvrw6.png

well i'm stealin it

[valid folio]

Hi, I need to set the minimum and maximum quality that a harvested item can have, but I'm not sure how to write the value. Is it a number or do I write the name directly, like iridium?

"HarvestMinQuality": ?
"HarvestMaxQuality": ?

[brittle pasture]

a number from 0 to 4
0 - base, 1 - silver, 2 - gold, 4 - iridium

[valid folio]

Ty Selph! 😁

[lucid iron]

Cheetos

[hard fern]

what ever happened to 3

[drowsy pewter]

eated

[calm nebula]

There is a star for it

I assume CA decided against it

[lucid iron]

I think ca did it just cus iridium is bigger jump in price

Maff reasons

[urban patrol]

i have a C# but also kind of general programming question bc i'm rusty. if something matches multiple if statements, will they all execute? what if i put break in?

for example (pseudocode), what would happen if i put an iridium tomato in:

  print("Yay yippee!");
  break;
}
elif (quality is silver){
  print("Booooo.");
  break;
}
elif (item is pepper){
  print("Spicy!");
  break;
}
return true;```

[obtuse wigeon]

I assumed base 2 counting system, but that isn't the case at all looking at the code

[lucid iron]

Switch case

[calm nebula]

This is an elif tree

Sir

[hard fern]

Elif

[lucid iron]

Oh i got confused by question i thought nic wanted to know what to use here

Break doesn't do anything bc u aren't in a loop or a switch

[urban patrol]

uhh if there's a better way than an elif tree then i'm open to hearing lol

[uncut viper]

(also an iridium tomato cannot match all of those anyway)

[lucid iron]

(this may be different for other languages)

[drowsy pewter]

i think the answer to the question is only the first valid one will execute

[lucid iron]

Ignoring the break; part the actual case is that iridium tomato succeed check 1 and so you get Yay yippee

[drowsy pewter]

can someone answer that

[urban patrol]

and then it stops checking the other conditions?

[uncut viper]

theres if-else statements, switch statements, and whatever you call the other version of the switch use

[lucid iron]

Yeah that's what elif does

[urban patrol]

ok perfect that's what i want. so i just have to make sure more specific ones come first

[uncut viper]

whether or not it stops depends on which you use (i believe. im not actually 100% sure if C# switch cases fall through? i think it can vary per language?)

[lucid iron]

Well C# force u to use break or goto in every case right

So it's no fall through enforced

[calm nebula]

Yeah you have to goto case

[uncut viper]

(it couldnt be answered before clarifying the differences between structures because the answer is different depending, and the use of both if and break in the pseudocode made the intent unclear)

[lucid iron]

now nic if u had used all if (and no break; cus that's confuse)

a iridium pepper would print Yay yippee! and Spicy!

(whether it's on 1 line depends on printf impl)

[urban patrol]

oh yeahhhhh that does ring a bell

yeah ignore the break lol idk what i'm doing

[uncut viper]

easier to remember if you keep in mind what elif means aka else if
meaning "is this iridium? do this. otherwise if its a pepper, do this"
it wouldnt do the second one with an elif because its not an "otherwise" situation

[urban patrol]

yeah makes sense! in this case what i'm trying to do is set a CT, so i do actually only want 1 CT to be set, the more specific the better

this is for my tile action similar to the luau soup if you recall

[lucid iron]

hm u can do that in content right? sorta?

[urban patrol]

i don't believe so? there's no way to see what the player is holding when they interact

[lucid iron]

for case of just 2 CT it is simply If

[uncut viper]

yeah she needs C# for this anyway so may as well do it easier in the code directly

[lucid iron]

hm i encounter weird license scenario

context is that few months ago i wrote a PR for data layers to improve passable checking

as part of that i made a custom IsTilePassable

data layers is MIT

now i yoink what i wrote then for me own mod, which is MPL

what is the license of these 10 lines of code

[uncut viper]

practically speaking id say whichever is the more permissive of the two, i suppose (im not familiar with MPL)

or i guess maybe just MIT since in writing and submitting the code to it you agreed to make that code specifically, MIT?

[lucid iron]

i guess so?

[ivory plume]

You're still the original author of that code. You contributed it to an open-source repo, so it's covered by the open-source license as part of that repo; but you can still republish that code elsewhere under a different license. (It'd be different if you submitted it under a contract which transferred the copyright, rather than just contributing it to the repo.)

[drowsy pewter]

I wonder what topically related mods I should shout out on my cooking recipes mod page

[calm nebula]

Love of Cooking?

[drowsy pewter]

I think it's mentioned literally five separate times on the page

[calm nebula]

Someone please make Tired of Cooking and Eating The Exact Same Food All The Time

[hard fern]

I read that as tropically

[quick sand]

anyone know why this code would produce this?

ok didnt think it would be that big

trying to use spacecore to place 32x32 sprite in 16x16 but now it doesnt fit

[brittle pasture]

is SuperSledgeBig a single 32x32 png

[quick sand]

yes

[brittle pasture]

then I have no other lead

[meager basin]

I'm having a problem where when I try to create a C# mod alongside a CP mod, it places a folder with the same name in Stardew Valley/Mods as the sub-folder in my actual mod folder (if that makes sense). It's then also either finding a duplicate mod or saying I don't have a manifest (when both the C# and CP do). Any ideas?

[brittle pasture]

are you using ModBuildConfig's bundled content pack feature

[meager basin]

Oh I see what you mean - I hadn't been. Thanks 🙂

[woeful lintel]

don't be scared to ask for help if something is not clear, but I don't think FF will solve the issue you were having: it doesn't support scaling since it doesn't look very good as other people said.

[urban patrol]

does this event precondition take a qualified or unqualified ID, or does it not matter?

[brittle pasture]

either is fine

[indigo yoke]

is this just smapi being slow to correct itself?
It has Y update key but pointing to Z mod

[devout otter]

Yar something similar happened to me and I was told that it's due to local cache.

(It did it properly when I tried changing PC.)

[indigo yoke]

kk ty

[ornate locust]

does anyone finish their mod and just feel like they still should be Doing Modding? Like I'm stuck in mod zoomies

I am resisting the urge to push it immediately for testing purposes

[hard fern]

I mean yeah. Once im done im like "now what."

[ornate locust]

it's very NOW WHAT

I'm releasing December 1, a month more for people to play around with the beta and tell me if anything explodes. I played a full three years with it myself, heavily modded to see if anything exploded

also thanks everyone here for answering questions

because it has given me THE POWER to actually finish this dang thing

[obtuse finch]

Is there a way to allow custom NPC entering Elliot house/Leah's cabin?

I have Elliot house in NPC's schedule but it won't work

[devout otter]

Divert that energy to doing the mod page. 😆

[hard fern]

Show the schedule?

[obtuse finch]

When it hit 900, the NPC didn't move

[hard fern]

🤔

Do npcs care about entry requirements.. surely not

[ornate locust]

Already done

Wait

[ornate locust]

two t in Elliott

I made that mistake in my first content patcher mod

[obtuse finch]

oh

ohhhh

that might be it

curse you Elliott with two t

[drowsy pewter]

He's caused literally multiple problems over months in my current mod

(His fault of course, not mine)

[meager basin]

if i'm trying to read from all furniture items, is that done through a dictionary?

[hard fern]

You know you're good i didn't even catch the missing t in his name.

[gray bear]

smelliott

[obtuse finch]

A bit of a silly question but between Sat6 and spring_6 command, which command would go through? Or both would be randomly choosen?

[vernal crest]

The dialogue page shows the order of precedence for the keys

So because <season>_<dayOfMonth> is higher in precedence than <dayOfWeek><hearts>, spring_6 would be chosen above Sat6 in the first year only (it's not valid from Y2 onward)

[obtuse finch]

ohh, so Y2 onward the other would always be choosen?

[vernal crest]

Only if you're at 6 hearts or more with the NPC and there's no higher heart line

[hard fern]

Waif really? Not valid y2 ? Do you need to have speing&6_2 or something

[finite ginkgo]

Yes

[vernal crest]

Yup, day of month just as the single number is only valid in first year

[hard fern]

The more you knoe

[devout otter]

Th division is between "year 1" and "year 2 and up".

So spring_6_2 would fire on y2, y3, y4 and so on.

[vernal crest]

There is a key for use in any year, apparently: <dayOfMonth>_*

[obtuse finch]

wait this is a lifesaver actually

I was so downed when the command can only applied Y1

[vernal crest]

You can do Y2 onwards separately like Dolphin said

This is just if you want the same line for all years

[obtuse finch]

I'm more of a "Different lines for everyday" rather than "Different line every years"

Both took extra efforts so Imma spare my sanity

a bit

[obtuse wigeon]

I'm very confused about the latest mod showcase, does Alex only have 3 fingers else where in the game and I've never noticed? XD

[vernal crest]

Nah, he was missing a finger for most of the game's history. He was given the correct number of fingers in 1.6.15 apparently

[drowsy pewter]

@blissful panther Hey DH, one of my beta testers noticed that when playing on steamdeck and using the MEEP image/text closeup feature, they could only tab through by doing up and down on the right joystick. Unlike reading mail, which they said it's possible to tab with the shoulder buttons. Is this anything you know about?

Otherwise the only way to move between images is to click on the arrows directly. This was also an issue for my blind beta tester to advance the pages, since they can't locate the arrow keys. I ended up coding a second text-only option for blind accessibility, but if you're interested it might be good to look into doing some button-friendly solution more like the game mail?

Also when i typed button just now it wanted to show me buttons profile

thats.. interesting

[inner harbor]

Yes, its a weird feeling

[vernal crest]

button, first and only of her name

[inner harbor]

I remember the first time I finished writing a book. My brain was going "...and then they'll go to a party to celebrate and..." then I realized, I didnt' need to write the celebration. They'd won. The story was done.

[obtuse wigeon]

I found theres a LOT of custom menus that aren't able to be navigated through on the Steam deck, This wouldn't be odd if they also couldn't be navigated through on a linux desktop with a controller but quite a few can (not all of them but that's pretty expected). the only difference is that I've managed to find is the Steamdeck controller itself as using it as a controller via bluetooth for a desktop works as expected

[brave fable]

does the love of cooking work on a deck

[obtuse wigeon]

I have yet to try LoC (it is on my list for my next game when that happens) so I shall have data to report then XD

[drowsy pewter]

you know, they havent complained at all, so i think thats a win!

But they did mention that LoC's "Ready to Cook" tab doesnt take into account context tag cooking... that being said, the tab does lag a bit when i have 500 recipes available and a billion fridges, so maybe its for the better that its not attempting to read a bunch of context tag fields at once

(not an official bug report, they said they'd officially report it once my mod is actually out)

[woeful lintel]

your question isn't clear enough, so I'll answer what I can think of:

• With CP -> the Furniture data is in the format of a dictionary of strings: {"Furniture ID": "slash delimited Furniture data"}
• With C#, depends what you want to read:
  • Check all Furniture objects placed in a location -> Location.furniture will get you a list of Furniture instances
  • Read through the Furniture data -> you'll get the same as with CP: a Dictionary<string, string>, either through the asset requested event handler or with DataLoader.Furniture

[brave fable]

hm, that's odd. the ready-to-cook filter uses the same behaviour as elsewhere using the ingredientmatcher appropriate to the recipe, but it does also check whether the number of ingredients in the recipe is less than the max available without limiting the ingredients count to the slot count, which it shouldn't

[drowsy pewter]

I didnt confirm the behavior on my end, so its always possible my beta tester is lying to make my life harder

[brave fable]

ah yes game1.player.recipescooked and game1.player.cookingrecipes and recipe.timescooked do not necessarily have the same value

the oldest trick in the cookbook

[obtuse finch]

ahh, I'm having trouble with this error?

Oh nvm! I figured it out

[brave fable]

mmmm yes recipescooked is keyed by the item id instead of the recipe id

[tiny zealot]

if anyone else stumbles on this later, the issue is that Railroad is not accessible in spring y1, so the game tries to load "spring" as a fallback schedule. (this is why the wiki recommends that you make sure your NPC schedule has a plain "spring" entry)

[calm nebula]

Isn't only one of them used

Wait wut

[opal hull]

What usually causes the "skipped reload because underlying asset no longer exists" yellow SMAPI text? My content pack should be targeting the correct assets to edit, so I'm a bit stumped (also I've tried changing a few things around trying to fix some images not showing up and as I've got things set up right now none of the images are showing up in the game at all, so that's a thing too lol)

[calm nebula]

Did you use a token in the target path

Plz show example

Does this happen only when quitting to title

[tiny zealot]

in my experience, i get this when i gate an "Action": "Load" on a new asset with When conditions, or otherwise cause loads to come in and out of existence when tokens update

[opal hull]

The target path itself is just this: "Target": "aedenthorn.FarmerPortraits/portrait_Sarah",
And while testing, the error was coming up while playing the game, not just quitting to title

[devout otter]

Farmer Portraits asset is only "aedenthorn.FarmerPortraits/portrait, AFAIK.

You don't tag a name onto it.

[opal hull]

Hmm okay, I do have when conditions on all of my patches... What would I need to do to fix it? Cause I have the When conditions there for a reason

[opal hull]

Aedenthorn's version of the mod allows targeting by player name

[devout otter]

Just use "Target": "aedenthorn.FarmerPortraits/portrait",

Aah I see.

[opal hull]

The mistyspring's version doesn't, so that might be what you're thinking if

*of

[tiny zealot]

generally, for assets you control (portraits for your own NPC, for example), you can just remove the conditions from your loads and edits. they won't run unless something requests the asset

[devout otter]

Then maybe make sure you have one base Load action that has no conditional.

And have the other conditional actions be EditImage.

[brave fable]

apparently only recipescooked is used, which increments the value keyed by itemproduced id (presumably whichever one was cooked since apparently the recipe can have one of several outputs)

[frosty hull]

@next plaza Hello, i have question about Space Core
where i can get src code repo for v1.28.4 like Nexus release?

[opal hull]

I see. To clarify, are you referring to the conditions of the underlying asset which I'm targeting in my patches, or the changes to them that my content pack is making?

[next plaza]

All of the source code is in the repository linked in the description, though specific versions can be hard to find

[brave fable]

in this good and honest house we tag versions 🤝

[opal hull]

Gotcha. I believe all my patches are currently EditImage, so I'll see about making the base ones be Load

[tiny zealot]

what i mean is, if you are Loading an asset, and that asset would not exist in the content pipeline without you doing that, then you should have no conditions on that Load, in order to prevent that particular SMAPI warning about an asset no longer existing

[calm nebula]

So how does the game know how many times a recipe was cooked

[opal hull]

Gotcha. Thank you for rephrasing!

[frosty hull]

so the v1.28.1 it should be fine on android?

[brave fable]

it knows how because it tracks the count in recipescooked, but it only checks the first item in the produce list for the crafting page, and checks per item for the collections page

[next plaza]

No clue, I don’t maintain the Android version. Someone else does (which also means the source code for the Android version is elsewhere)

[brave fable]

not sure whether i'll check for all items in the produce list or just the first to match vanilla

[lucid iron]

I think the fork is just by narathip right

[next plaza]

No clue 😂

[lucid iron]

If i recall correctly the incompatibilities mainly came from those fancy harmony helpers for locals

[next plaza]

Huh

Well, those are too convenient for me to abandon

[frosty hull]

for now i have already fix & port for android and run without no error

but for sure i see you have fixed bug about

• Fix some custom crafting recipes using SpaceCore being broke since 1.28.1, and fix incorrect custom skill name in custom buffs (thanks MoonSlime!).

[next plaza]

Oh, you meant “the fork is by the person asking the question”.

Oops

[lucid iron]

Narathip if you make a list of what you had to fix maybe it could be consolidated to PC

[next plaza]

That was a some pull requests, if I remember correctly

[lucid iron]

Or at least have the problematic bits separated

I feel like harmony helpers r kinda doomed tho

[next plaza]

While you’re here, I’ve been meaning to mention: I’m planning on splitting SpaceCore into two mods for 1.7, for the sake of multiplayer stuff.

[lucid iron]

Big weight bearing maybe

[next plaza]

There’s an issue on github where I have a vague idea of what part will go where

Haven’t started actually doing it yet, but something I’ve been meaning to give you a heads up on @frosty hull

[drowsy pewter]

kitkatcore

[next plaza]

Why would I name it after candy

Kitkats are tasty, but hardly mod-name-worthy

[drowsy pewter]

yum factor

[next plaza]

also didn’t I literally tell you the mod name in DMs

[lucid iron]

Kittycore and katcore

[next plaza]

I mean SpaceCore itself is gonna keep the same name, it’s just that many features are being shunted to mod 2

[brave fable]

so which half is space and which half is core

[drowsy pewter]

Well obviously I can't break NDA and share the real name

[obtuse wigeon]

Oh the excitement for the name reveal is unfathomable

[next plaza]

NDPP (non disclosure pinky promise)

[frosty hull]

Good idea, if i have free time i will check it

[next plaza]

Obviously the space stuff goes in space, and the center-of-earth stuff goes in core

[lucid iron]

Would core depend on space

Or other way around

[obtuse wigeon]

Or a secret third option, they depend on each other and you PR'd a way to avoid cyclical dependancies

[next plaza]

Core depends on space, since:

• space can exist without planet (core)
• planet (core) cannot exist without space

[next plaza]

or even better, harmony patch a way to do so

[obtuse wigeon]

Harmony is the C# equivalent of duct tape to the universe

[frosty hull]

i have weird question
why this game can't render more than 60fps?

[obtuse wigeon]

I think someone did some testing and increased the limit, it lead to really weird behaviour because a lot of stuff is tied to 60 updates a second, I can't remember off the top of my head exactly what weird behaviour occurred, but I think there was a decent amount relating to NPC behaviour and farmer behaviour too

(Looking through previous messages it was DecidedlyHuman who was doing stuff with increased framerate cap)

[tiny zealot]

if memory serves, monogame itself also has some behavior explicitly tied to an assumed cap of 60fps

stardew ships its own fork of monogame so that's not a dealbreaker per se, but it would involve Work™ (again, if memory serves)

there's also the very single-threaded and cpu-bound nature of stardew, so i imagine with any realistic number of mods you'd struggle to exceed 60 anyway

[brittle pasture]

I recall at least a couple of instances of state-affecting logic being inside draw functions

so there's also that to deal with

[merry river]

it's me again who needs help yet again i am running into two issues here:

1. i made a provisional house for my custom npc, the exterior loads in perfectly, but i can't get into the house (yes, i do have made an interior map already but smapi is throwing an error and i'm not sure where i did wrong)
2. the other issue is that my npc simply doesn't load in. i can't figure out why, i already compared my code to functioning custom npc but i feel stumped at this point??

[next plaza]

(I actually have code to uncap the FPS in the VR mod, but I’m going to need to still limit the update rate (if I didn’t already) and probably patch some rendering/animation things)

(I am able to reach 90 FPS fine, despite my crimes. Probably could go further if the headset wasn’t calling it again)

[hard fern]

!json for house pls

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[hard fern]

Im assuming you didn't load it properly

[merry river]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/09bd582dd505471685417f62b701c233

[hard fern]

I don't think your map names match

You loaded it as {{ModId}}_PeiMingHouse, but the game is looking for PeiMingHouse because you didn't include the {{ModId}} in the Data/Locations entry

[merry river]

oh let me fix it and see if that works

hmmm no i'm still getting the same error

[tiny zealot]

make sure you also update your CreateOnLoad to match (MapPath should match the Target you are loading to)

[merry river]

this is what it looks like right now in my code and the warps

oh wait

no, i can't set the mappath to data/locations, that wouldn't make sense, right??

[autumn tide]

hmm is it possible to yoink alex's dog specificTemporarySprite spritesheet and use it in my mod as a temp NPC for events?

assuming it's gonna be in cursors

cause yk

cursors

the sprite was indeed in cursors

[dusky sail]

its always springobjects and cursors

[autumn tide]

ik

[dusky sail]

they gotta invent summerobjects

[autumn tide]

omg i'm always SHOCKED when something isn't in cursors

like it just doesn't feel right

like i know there's literally a file called 'emojis', but i feel like emojis should be in cursors, yk?

[dusky sail]

strongly agree

[autumn tide]

eugh sprite shenanigans time

why am i making a new event when i already have a broken event that needs fixing

scope creep ig-

[autumn tide]

also your status-

[dusky sail]

oh that reminds me i need to update it

[autumn tide]

no dont

[dusky sail]

just the number dw

[autumn tide]

ohhh gotcha

[obtuse finch]

I noticed when writing dialogues others stick these particular numbers: 2/4/6/8 next to {dayofweek} and {season}, I don't really understand why?

[autumn tide]

oh, lemme send a wiki screenshot!

[obtuse finch]

Really sorry, I'm unable to access the wiki right now

[autumn tide]

no worries!

good luck with your mod :))

[hard fern]

Those are the heart levels

[obtuse finch]

Ah, I've completely misunderstood them

[autumn tide]

aw, sorry about that

if you want further elaboration we're here lol, always better to check first

[obtuse finch]

It's fine, I'm glad to know it before sinking myself too deep

tysm, both of you

Ok, just making extra sure
If I were to write both every {seasonal} and {dayofweek} dialogues, would the game only applied {seasonal} dialogues?

[autumn tide]

uh, could you clarify?

[merry river]

sorry again, but i didn't get an answer and i still couldn't figure it out myself. my npc's house interior still isn't loading and i really can't find the cause for this.
the npc has at least finally loaded into the game but i can't interact and the gift tastes aren't loaded properly (only the standard loves and likes); the apperance also doesn't change for winter.
here's my content.json: https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/042c34f6e38a4108a9d8f4d1f1ba42e1
I'm getting frustrated so i'm taking break for now, but i do appreciate any help

[autumn tide]

can't help with map stuffs sadly, but go take a break and take care of yourself :)

[urban patrol]

!giderror

damn

!tilegiderror

ugh hold on

[autumn tide]

[obtuse finch]

I'm basing my codes on another mod, which they have written all {dayofweek} (Mon, Tue, Wed,...) and {season_dayofweek} (spring_Mon, Winter_Mon, etc)
Base on what I know so far, I don't think the game would features any {dayofweek} dialogue then?

Maybe it's easier if I just show it with pictures

[urban patrol]

this is the order in which dialogue is chosen

[autumn tide]

that's a question for someone more advanced than me lol, still a beginner modder here

[urban patrol]

aka 1 is preferred by the game, falls back to 2 if not found, etc etc

so yes spring_mon will always win over Mon

[merry river]

yeah, i will! the moment i get frustrated about something, i know i have to take a break 😆 i'll try again later

[urban patrol]

my message got automodded because i said tr*mp 😭

[merry river]

thank you, i'll have a look at it later!!

[obtuse wigeon]

as in "wins over"? if so thats hilarious

[urban patrol]

yep lmao

[gentle rose]

scunthorpe in action

[merry river]

also glad to see you're still working on the krobus and dwarf expansion!! so excited about this

[gentle rose]

-# (imagine if I got timed out for that message)

[obtuse finch]

I see, it is safe to assume that Mon/Tue/Wed/... dialogues will never see the light of day again?

[obtuse wigeon]

suprised that wasn't banished to the void, seems the regex avoids words in a word, better than most filters it seems XD

[urban patrol]

there’s someone i share a server with whose username is a dutch(?) word nij but spelled with two gs instead of a j and they got absolutely HAMMERED by auto mod until the mods whitelisted their name

[urban patrol]

if you have a key that takes precedence over each day, yes

[autumn tide]

aaa ty! i have my own thread for it if you're curious

[obtuse finch]

Thank you! I understand now

[autumn tide]

..also if you wanna help out i wouldn't say no

[hard fern]

You can just set seasonal day. Of the week dilodge

Omg

I can't spell

[safe kernel]

how do i add a mod to the game? but like in a easy way

[urban patrol]

!gs

[ocean sail]

If you would like a guide to setting up mods for Stardew Valley, check out the getting started guide! https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Player_Guide

To use this command, type !gs.

[urban patrol]

unless you’re talking about making a mod

[safe kernel]

no adding one, but thanks ill read it

[safe kernel]

that link is way to confusing....

[urban patrol]

we can’t walk you through setting up mods in here. you might have luck with #modded-stardew but i don’t guarantee it

[latent mauve]

It's been done before in there

But #1272025932932055121 will also probably help you out

[merry river]

I honestly can't get it to work. I must have done an error with saving the map somehow but I really don't understand how to make sure that the tilesheets are where they belong? everytime i open the file again it says the sheets are missing even though they are in the same folder.

[autumn tide]

hey! would animating a 16x16 pixel temporary character in an event work with the regular animate command? checking bc the wiki specifically mentions the image size

[autumn tide]

-# also good luck with the map stuff!! can't help out bc maps are my mortal enemy but there are other ppl on here who can

[finite ginkgo]

It would, not sure why the wiki mentions specifically 16x32, that's only applicable to regularly sized NPCs/temporary actors, could probably use a slight rewrite

[autumn tide]

gotcha, tysm

[autumn tide]

cool profile btw :)

[merry river]

i thought npc work would be bad but working with tiled and coding maps in has become my worst nightmare

[autumn tide]

💔

i deeply empathize with your pain

ugh my maps have been broken for days and i can't bring myself to keep testing them

[ornate trellis]

somewhere in the distance husky is laughing maniacally whenever maps are mentioned

[autumn tide]

😭

[merry river]

hello fellow void, may husky have mercy

[quick sand]

hello.. i see you put them in the same folder. when you were choosing the tilesheets did you embed it?

[oblique meadow]

Check your full log. Im willing to bet there was an error earlier in the loading process where your custom asset / tilesheet didnt work as intended. Errors are not always grouped the way you would like them to be. But the invalid tile essentially means you tried to load something and the game said WTF is this

[merry river]

me and the game both

[merry river]

i checked and i haven't, let's see if that works. i wasn't sure if that is okay to do with custom tilesheets? i used lumisteria's and added it as a dependency in the manifest

[uncut viper]

embedding it does not actually put the png file inside your map, it just keeps the information about the tilesheet inside the map file rather than in a separate file

[oblique meadow]

Also. Are you specifically loading your custom tilesheet in the Content file? You should be loading with a codeblock similar to:

            "Action": "Load",
            "Target": "Maps/Shrines",
            "FromFile": "assets/Tilesheets/Shrines.png"
        },```

[uncut viper]

such as where to find it, how many tiles it has, etc

Invalid Tile GID typically means you did at one point save your map when it had errors/red X tiles from a missing tilesheet and it fucked up Tiled's GID calculations when saving

it is fixable assuming thats all the issue was by making sure all the tilesheets are present where Tiled expects them to be (so it can find them) and re-saving the map

[quick sand]

ive never loaded tilesheets in my content.json..

just the tmx itself

[uncut viper]

you dont need to load a custom tilesheet but its highly recommended

assuming you keep the tilesheet alongside the .tmx, it doesnt need to be loaded, but it puts it in the Content pipeline if you do

[merry river]

i have only vanilla tilesheets and lumisteria's, how do i go about loading the png of a dependency?

[uncut viper]

you dont

thats done in the Lumisteria mod

[merry river]

yeah okay, i thought so, just wanted to make sure

[oblique meadow]

You only need to load if you make your own

but if you're doing existing assets loaded by vanilla or another mod, you're fine

[merry river]

i don't have any of my own, i only have those z_(tilesheetName) from the vanilla ones, so they don't need to be loaded in separately, right?

[oblique meadow]

correct.

[uncut viper]

do you have .tsx files in the same folder as your .tmx, void?

[merry river]

yes, i do! just tried again and i must have somehow messed up the reference to lumisteria's png file. have to fix this first haha

(i was stupid and renamed the png)

[uncut viper]

if you do, then re-adding the tilesheets again with embedding will give you duplicate sheets. it may be easier to fix the .tsx in notepad++ first, get the tilesheets sorted, and then embed them from the .tsx

!tilesheetclimbing

[ocean sail]

When creating or editing maps in Tiled, one common error is tilesheet climbing, marked by red text containing "invalid tilesheet path '../../..'. This is caused by SMAPI not being able to find the tilesheets needed by the map file. To prevent this error, make sure that you have a copy of all necessary tilesheets in the folder containing your WIP tmx file. Copies of vanilla tilesheets can later be deleted, but must be present while working on your map.

If you get this error with a completed map, an easy way to fix it is to open your tmx file in VS Code or a similar text editor, find all of the places with <image source=, and remove the filepaths to so that only the tilesheet names remain. For example, if the code says <image source="Content (unpacked)/Maps/townInterior_2" width="512" height="64"/>, change it to just <image source="townInterior_2" width="512" height="64"/>.

To use this command, type !tilesheetclimbing.

[uncut viper]

this is for a different error, but the second half describing how to fix it would be the same, just for the .tsx instead

[gentle rose]

wasn't someone saying they would add your map fixer to that command

[uncut viper]

they made a separate command, but void is having a different issue, and my fixer does not work with .tsx files

[gentle rose]

yeah I was just curious in general

I could probably add an "embed existing tilesheet" button to the extension at some point

[uncut viper]

once you've edited the .tsx void you need to move all the tilesheet pngs you're using into the same folder as your .tmx and .tsx file, even lumisteria's tilesheet

Tiled already lets you embed an existing tilesheet

[gentle rose]

no I mean to replace a non embedded tsx with an embedded tilesheet in place

[uncut viper]

that is what the button in Tiled already does

[gentle rose]

why can't void use that then?

[merry river]

i did that! the interior is finally loading

[uncut viper]

they can, after they fix the misplaced sheet so there arent errors when they open their map

[merry river]

embedded everything and made sure everything was in the same folder while i did the edits

[uncut viper]

you clicked the button in the bottom.... uh, right? of Tiled?

(i think its bottom right?)

[gentle rose]

ty, I misread the earlier convo lmao

[uncut viper]

this one

[merry river]

yeah, there's a button that says "embed tilesheet" or something like that

[uncut viper]

ok, then try saving your .tmx again and loading the game again

[merry river]

i did and my map is loading with the warps working

now i only have some clipping issues and i can run through the walls haha, i'll have to check how to fix that

[uncut viper]

okay, then now is when you would typically remove the .png files from your folder, assuming there are no more edits to make

[merry river]

but at least i got this damn house interior in the game

[uncut viper]

when you publish your mod, there should not be .png files next to your tmx, and definitely not Lumisteria's .png file

but if you ever want to make any edits to your .tmx, they will all need to be there. only when editing, not when publishing!

assuming you edited the image sources like the command said, they will not have any tilesheet climbing, so when the game loads your map, it will look in the Maps/ folderl ike its supposed to

even if you dont have the png files there

[merry river]

there's only those files in the mod folder, no png

[gentle rose]

-# oooooor--

#making-mods-general message

[uncut viper]

does your map still load if you delete those .tsx files?

[merry river]

in my development folder, there's everything

[uncut viper]

(or move them somewhereelse temporarily as a backup)

[merry river]

let me try!

[uncut viper]

(and to clarify i mean load in game, not in Tiled. it shouldnt load in Tiled without the .pngs)

[merry river]

yes i understand

hmmm no it won't load without the tsx files

OH WAIT
does the definition of edits include stuff like adding tile properties to doors and all?

[uncut viper]

did you embed your tilesheets for both PeiMingExterior and PeiMingHouse? for every single tilesheet?

any edit

if you ever have to sit "Save" then your tilesheets must not have any errors

[merry river]

well then i obviously did some edits, woops. i feel stupid now

[uncut viper]

nothing to feel stupid about! its a very common mistake for people to make when newer to map editing

it doesnt seem like it should mess anything up but it does bc Tiled is just a lil bit dumb

the .tsx's continued existence is a separate thing though

[merry river]

added the tsx files back in except for one where i really didn't edit anything, it's working again!

[uncut viper]

having the .tsx files does mean the tilesheets arent properly embedded, though how much you care to deal with that right now vs later (if ever, since its technically okay to do) is up to you right now, id say

[merry river]

but i suppose i have some more editing ahead of me because i can run through walls

[uncut viper]

it may imply some degree of duplicate tilesheets possibly though if something went a bit awry with the embedding steps you took which may prove troublesome in the future

[merry river]

my embedding steps were using the button in the bottom right with the tilesheets i havent embedded yet hmmm

[uncut viper]

if every tilesheet is embedded (vanilla or otherwise) in both of your .tmx files, then the .tsx files should not be required at all anymore, since their information should have been moved to the .tmx
but if at one point you tried re-adding the tilesheets from step 1 while also having a .tsx then there may be duplicates and you might not actually be embedding (or even using) the ones inside the .tmx data itself

[merry river]

oh wow why did they get un-embedded. how is it so difficult to save properly with that program!!!

[uncut viper]

if embedding is all you did before closing Tiled at one point it mightve not thought it had anything to save

so you can just like. paint a tile down or move something and then move it back or w/e

make it know theres changes to save lol

case in point of "Tiled is just a lil bit dumb"

[merry river]

hmmm no it does show the asterisk in front of the file name indicating changes when i embed the file

tiled is really an experience in itself

[uncut viper]

worth making a different, more visible change to a Tile and saving it to make it stick

just make sure you save this random change first before you change it back and save again

[merry river]

for the interior map, the tilesheets appear to be embedded

i also set an action command for the bed to be usable that didn't work either

[uncut viper]

does the interior map load without the .tsx files present then?
as for the bed command, im not sure of one that uses the Action property? do you mean a TouchAction? is it on the correct layer?

[merry river]

yeah i meant touchaction, and i also realized i put some of my tiles on the wrong layer instead of buildings so they are passable now. rookie mistkae

[uncut viper]

double check to make sure then that your bed TouchActions or tile properties are on the Back layer

[valid folio]

Hi, how are you?
Is it possible to choose the quality at which an item comes out of a machine? For example, I put in an item with silver quality and I want it to come out as gold. I looked on the wiki in the machines section and didn’t see any mention of this, maybe I should use EMC? Or is it enough to set HarvestMinQuality/HarvestMaxQuality like with crops?

[uncut viper]

(also void, if your current tilesheet woes are behind you, you can look into that link irocendar sent earlier to go to their thread about a Tiled plugin that might help in the future!)

[this message](#making-mods-general message)

[hallow prism]

you can

there is a set quality field (may not be exact name) and you can check for the quality of an input

Quality (Optional) The quality of the item to find. One of 0 (normal), 1 (silver), 2 (gold), or 4 (iridium). Invalid values will snap to the closest valid one (e.g. 7 will become iridium). Default -1, which keeps the value set by the item query (usually 0).

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Item_queries#Item_spawn_fields

QualityModifiers
StackModifiers (Optional) Quantity modifiers applied to the Quality or Stack value. Default none.

The quality modifiers operate on the numeric quality values (i.e. 0 = normal, 1 = silver, 2 = gold, and 4 = iridium). For example, silver × 2 is gold.

[valid folio]

Thanks, Lumina 😁

[merry river]

oh woops, i somehow didn't notice it. i just checked the message but i feel stupid again because i find no plugin to download? then again, it's 11 pm. maybe i should go to bed instead hahaha

[gentle rose]

it's in the pinned messages in that thread

[merry river]

oh my god yeah i really need to go to bed.

[latent mauve]

Additional thing to check: if you have created your own object for the bed's actions, make sure it has the Name as TileData

Copy/pasting the object from a vanilla map will prevent that issue, but it's come up an awful lot recently for people creating new objects without copy/pasting

[merry river]

Ooooh do you mean Bed = T ?

like this?

[latent mauve]

The Name field will be much further up

[merry river]

ah. oh my god this is getting embarassing

you guys are so patient and helpful, i am so grateful 😭

[latent mauve]

needed to open Tiled so I could get you a screenshot

[uncut viper]

map making especially is a bunch of stuff to remember, so i would say you shouldnt feel embarrassed. everyone starts somewhere, and even people who started a long time ago also make silly mistakes like forgetting to name it TileData

[latent mauve]

Yep, nothing to be embarrassed about!

[merry river]

i'm calling it a day, i need some sleep. if i have to think about tiles any longer i will combust but thanks to everyone's help here i finally managed to load the interior map in! now i only need to get some fine tuning done
thanks a lot! i will be back

[white vale]

Is there a way to ADD to the monster drops field instead of replace? For example, this makes a green slime drop ancient seeds 99% of the time but it overwrites the rest. I can copy the entire field but that feels sloppy. I don't think TargetField works with these type of entries?

[royal stump]

text operations are what you need there, as in this example
https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide.md#text-operations

[uncut viper]

use TextOperations

but TargetField does work with slash delimited strings as well

just use the field number like #6

[white vale]

Thanks guys, not to smart with this stuff but using the example this is what I made but no go. Probably me just being stupid lol

[uncut viper]

upload your json and log at smapi.io as screenshots will not suffice especially when they crop out the necessary information

!log

[ocean sail]

Important note: Your computer username may appear in the log. If your username is your full name, please be aware of this before uploading it.

Please share your SMAPI log file. To do so:

1. Open this page: smapi.io/log.
2. Follow the instructions at the top of the page to upload the log file. (Don't copy & paste from the console window!)
3. After uploading, it will show a green box with a URL to share. Post that URL here.

Please do it even if you don't see any errors. This has useful info like what mods and versions you have, what the mods are doing, etc. If the issue didn’t occur in your last session, please load the game to the point where the issue occurs, then upload the log.

To use this command, type !log.

[white vale]

https://smapi.io/log/61bf77f8846d4b218ac028842a4e287c

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.3.2 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.26200.0, with 103 C# mods and 77 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[uncut viper]

TextOperations is a list of TextOperation objects, you only have a singular object without the [ ]

[urban patrol]

i'm trying to add a conversation topic in C#, but the method says it needs a TriggerActionContext (which is a struct, and is just a bunch of variables being set) and an "out string error" which i think is an error to throw? how do i know what to pass into the method when i call it?
AddConversationTopic(string[] args, TriggerActionContext context, out string error)

[calm nebula]

No, dont do that

[urban patrol]

oop

[uncut viper]

that is just the method that controls how the "AddConversationTopic" trigger action action works

its not what you use to start a conversation topic

[urban patrol]

oh, so do i need to call a trigger action instead?

[uncut viper]

no

you have several options but easiest is probably just Farmer.addEvent()

[urban patrol]

i'll look at that, thanks

[uncut viper]

alternatively Farmer.autoGenerateActiveDialogueEvent()

the latter wont add it if theyve seen it before

[urban patrol]

hmm i do want it to be repeatable so i'll check the first

[white vale]

Sorry I can't figure it out, I've never dealt with textoperations and monsters.json is formatted very differently than what I am use to

[uncut viper]

its nothing to do with Monsters.json, your formatting of your text operation does not match the example on the CP docs

you are missing a pair of [ ] brackets

[white vale]

Haha, well now I feel stupid. Thank you 🙂

[uncut viper]

(for future reference in case you run into similar errors with other things in the future, thats what that error means! about not being able to serialize an object into an array)

object { }
array [ ]

[white vale]

Thanks. Making progress but still an error, claims Green Slime isn't a valid path https://smapi.io/log/b4bdcec79cae4db288bb42b44d2abc8b

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.3.2 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.26200.0, with 103 C# mods and 77 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[white vale]

Seems right to me IDK 🤷‍♂️

[uncut viper]

the first one should be Entries and not Green Slime, which should be second, i believe

[indigo yoke]

Some one asked for it, so I did it but I don't want to publish to showcase I dont want to feel like I am spamming that channel
Generic mana bar API now is more open for content patch users with some new trigger actions and GSQ. Find it here https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/39117?
If anyone can think of extra stuff, just post on the page or ping me here.

    Added new C# interface: IsCurrentManaGreaterThanValue(Farmer farmer, int valueToCheckAgainst);
    Added new C# interface: IsCurrentManaLessThanValue(Farmer farmer, int valueToCheckAgainst);
    Added new Trigger action: "moonslime.ManaBarAPI.AddMana #" which adds(or subtracts if negative) a value of mana to the player who triggered this
    Added new Trigger action: "moonslime.ManaBarAPI.SetMaxMana #" which sets the player who triggered this mana to #
    Added new Trigger action: "moonslime.ManaBarAPI.AddToMaxMana #" which adds(or subtracts if negative) a value of max mana to the player who triggered this
    Added new Trigger action: "moonslime.ManaBarAPI.SetManaToMax" which sets the player who triggered this mana to max
    Added new Game State Query: "PLAYER_CURRENT_MANA_GREATER_THAN_VALUE"
    Added new Game State Query: "PLAYER_CURRENT_MANA_LESS_THAN_VALUE"
    Added new Game State Query: "PLAYER_MANA"
    Added new Game State Query: "PLAYER_MAX_MANA"

[white vale]

"an 'Entries' path must have exactly one other segment: the entry key." Haha I hate monsters.json, if this was any other file it would be easy. I even looked on nexus to find examples and can't find 1 mod editing monster drops via content patcher.

[normal trout]

Hi, y'all. Emerging from the depths for a moment because I noticed someone opened a bug report on one of my greenhouse mods. It's been so long since I've even played or touched the mods, that I can't remember - is that not supposed to happen? Is that controllable? Is there a reason you can think of why that might happen? Any input would be appreciated so I can reply to this person. They shared a smapi log but I didn't see anything at all about my mod other than that it loaded. https://smapi.io/log/417cc18cbe2949e08cfbe95d49052ac4

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.3.2 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.26200.0, with 47 C# mods and 98 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[south dirge]

Hello Everyone i am trying to make a mod that just increases the fishing bar a bit more per level to make fishign easier. I have unpacked the XNBS but have be unable to find the variable i would need to change or even what file i would need to look in. Can somebody gimme some advice about where to find it? I do know the variable should be BobberBar.bobberBarHeight but i cannot find where that variable is

[uncut viper]

try changing Entries to Fields instead maybe?

[uncut viper]

!decompile you'll need to look in the decompile and not just the unpacked content, and you'll need to use C# to edit it

[ocean sail]

If you want to make SMAPI mods with C#, one important resource is decompiling the game to read the game code. Here's how to do it: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/Get_Started#How_do_I_decompile_the_game_code.3F

To use this command, type !decompile.

[south dirge]

oh well nuts ok thank you

[south dirge]

do you have a preferred C# mod for stardew?

[white vale]

First thing I tried actually, but it gives a input string was not in a correct format error. https://smapi.io/log/302f03797d1d4200913d0870ae8794d4

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.3.2 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.26200.0, with 103 C# mods and 77 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[uncut viper]

im not sure i understand the question

[uncut viper]

try removing the # from #6 and make it just 6

[south dirge]

sorry i also dont know what im asking xD. I never do modding and havent done c# since Highschool. What program do you use to make your mods? That way i have a starting point

[uncut viper]

!startmodding

[ocean sail]

Making mods can be broadly divided into two categories:

• Content packs are formatted text files, and don't need any programming knowledge. They can add/edit NPCs, maps, new items, shops, and more. To get started, see the list of framework mods, the wiki tutorial for Content Patcher, and there might be relevant guides on the tutorial wiki.
• C# mods use programming code to change fundamental game mechanics. See getting started with C# modding.

Usually it’s easier to start with making content packs, since you don't need to learn programming.

To use this command, type !startmodding.

[uncut viper]

see the second bullet point

[south dirge]

ok perfect thank you

[white vale]

It worked! Thanks so much!

[uncut viper]

the power of uncertainly changing things until they work

[calm nebula]

How I program TM?

[valid folio]

Another question: is it possible to add a context tag to a seed that you created for a crop?

[uncut viper]

are you able to recreate it yourself in a test save? if not id ask them for more info about their configuration setup and whatnot to try and narrow things down bc afaik they shouldnt decay in a greenhouse as long as it has the greenhouse property

[normal trout]

Which it does, just downloaded and checked. Unless the way to do that changed somwhere in between; I was absent for several big updates, came back to modding briefly, and I know there were a lot of changes. These are the map properties in the greenhouse. If those are correct (specifically IsGreenhouse | T) then I don't know what could be causing it.

Like... I even have specific 0 dirt decay chance and a property to not clear empty dirt. So I don't know why it would be doing it.

[uncut viper]

oh, itd be the ClearEmptyDirtOnNewMonth

that will be clearing empty dirty on a new month

[normal trout]

But it's set to F

[uncut viper]

doesnt matter

its not checking the value

most (all?) map properties that have T as a value are only there bc they need a value

[normal trout]

... why wouldn't it check the value? That breaks any semblance of understanding I thought I had on how map properties work 😅

[uncut viper]

but its not setting anything to true or false

[normal trout]

That... is not how I understood it to work. Huh.

[uncut viper]

² The T value (short for true) is conventional, but any non-empty value will work too. from the wiki for maps

[finite ginkgo]

Its mentioned in small pri- yeah

[uncut viper]

putting that property there at all gives the map the property

tbf it never says that T means True either

[normal trout]

Huh. I wonder if that changed somewhere along the way from back when I was actively modding. Because I did a LOT of map work, and that's not something I remember being a thing. Good to know though. This is why I ask questions here 😄

[uncut viper]

aside from in that fine print that explains it

thats been the same for at the very least since 1.6

[brave fable]

not all, Water famously distinguishes between T and I

[normal trout]

I'll delete the property entirely, repack the mod, and upload it for them/anyone who wants that as a version. Thanks guys!

[calm nebula]

I love fine print!

[uncut viper]

probably before 1.6 too i imagine but i wasnt here much so i cant say for certain

[calm nebula]

See my name

[normal trout]

Yeah I was modding well before 1.6, I'm a dinosaur 😅

[uncut viper]

actually i did do map modding in 1.5 and i think it was the same then too but i forget when that even released so

[normal trout]

This is what I get for disappearing for several major overhaul updates and then randomly having my adhd engage the hyperfixation, making cool stuff, and disappearing again weeeee 🙃

[uncut viper]

my habit of always saying "most (all?)" finally pays off... saving me from being slightly incorrect...

[normal trout]

LIke... I started back when we were still not quite transitioning away from .xml replacement mods 😅 It's been a while.

We've come a long way lmfao

Anyway. Thanks guys! Cheers 🙂

[calm nebula]

Anyways

Blueberry, will you ever make Tired Of Cooking

[brave fable]

games aren't supposed to be realistic

[uncut viper]

source?

[calm nebula]

Smh realistically.... I'm being told things about parnsips

[royal stump]

skimming some of my old decomps re above & a few properties like buildable were, uh

//IsBuildable checks, after comparing to Cave Rectangle and all that old stuff
(Game1.currentLocation.doesTileHavePropertyNoNull((int) tileLocation.X, (int) tileLocation.Y, "Buildable", "Back").ToLower().Equals("t") || Game1.currentLocation.doesTileHavePropertyNoNull((int) tileLocation.X, (int) tileLocation.Y, "Buildable", "Back").ToLower().Equals("true") || Game1.currentLocation.doesTileHaveProperty((int) tileLocation.X, (int) tileLocation.Y, "Diggable", "Back") != null && !Game1.currentLocation.doesTileHavePropertyNoNull((int) tileLocation.X, (int) tileLocation.Y, "Buildable", "Back").ToLower().Equals("f"));```

[crude plank]

tell that to the all the tax mod lovers

[royal stump]

t or true or diggable-and-not-f

[indigo yoke]

~~ I only use tax mods because the game throws too much money at you and I want to slow down and enjoy the content. monkey brain loves to make things too efficient~~

[crude plank]

honestly same

[normal trout]

... Does anyone have a current test save that they'd be willing to open up quickly, throw my new greenhouse files in, and just make sure nothing is broken? I removed a map property and want to upload the new version to nexus. But I need to make sure I don't have a stray comma somewhere ready to end the world before I do lmfao. But I just realized that don't even have the game installed at the moment, let alone a test save set up with mods to be able to make sure the greenhouse works okay 😅

[frosty hull]

@next plaza Hello, can you commit your space core project of version 1.28.4?

i have someone got error about SpaceCore renderer

• https://smapi.io/log/e3de5dedaf94452ca286bd130a94c32f
• https://smapi.io/log/450df06875c140c2acf59f8b77a93949

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI v4.3.2.1 - 1762523696 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24354 on Android Unix 33.0.0.0, with 26 C# mods and 58 content packs.

Log Info: SMAPI v4.3.2.1 - 1762523696 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24354 on Android Unix 35.0.0.0, with 26 C# mods and 14 content packs.

[drowsy pewter]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/11264

Wow, I really had no idea this mod existed. Looks like I have another thing to recommend besides LoC

But what happens if two recipes share the same ingredients, I wonder?

[next plaza]

Uberbot remind me in 2 hours to do this if I haven’t yet

[patent lance]

k (#6943951) (2h | <t:1762571172>)

[hard fern]

🤔 i dont suppose it's possible to make an npc "disappear forever", is it?

[iron ridge]

You can add a when clause to their data/characters

Or do what happens to Elliott while he's on his trip but just never bring them back

[uncut viper]

removing their data completely cancause issues with multiplayer especially if not done very carefully and would probably also lead to at least one night of yellow warnings in a players log about a no longer existing NPC?
id just make them perma-invisible

[quick sand]

@next plaza hello

do you know why this is happening?

tried to put a 32x32 over the 16x16

[crude plank]

and it definitely doesn't work with LoC or Better Crafting so it would be hard to fit it in a modlist, but it's a very cool idea

[hard fern]

on the topic of more cursed npc things: would it also be possible to "lock" the player into not being able to progress heart levels with an npc? LIke if the player does something that's "Unforgivable", the npc would just refuse to be friends with them?

[uncut viper]

not in vanilla afaik

[hard fern]

would it be possible to work around that by like... reducing an npc's friendship every day?

[uncut viper]

well you can easily set them to 0 hearts every day, but you couldnt lock them to like, 2 hearts

not 100% reliably

[hard fern]

oh, well 0 hearts was all i really needed

[uncut viper]

then yeah you can do the AddFriendshipPoints trigger action

it accepts negative numbers

keep in mind any perfection implications

[hard fern]

npcs can be like, exluded crom forp

oh

*from perfection

[tiny zealot]

crom forp

[hard fern]

right?

[uncut viper]

yeah, but what about everything else they might unlock

like friendship recipes

[hard fern]

oh

i dont have friendship recipes....

[uncut viper]

then theres not much to worry about

im just saying to keep these things in mind

and ofc keep in mind the bug reports you'll get about not being able to raise hearts with them

[hard fern]

:) oh joy

[tiny zealot]

it's a shame there's no equivalent of divorce that you could set up to cause them to refuse gifts

[hard fern]

bestie divorce

[hard fern]

what if you reduced it to 0, then added back like, 500 points, to artificially lock it to 2 hearts?

[ornate locust]

I can just see the bug reports you're gonna get over that for eternity

[uncut viper]

the player can still potentially gain hearts with them no matter what you do, even if only temporarily

if you set it to two hearts, but its their birthday and i give them a stardrop tea, im shooting way up in the heart level instantly

[tiny zealot]

birthday stardrop tea is worth like 3.5 hearts or something and you can do it repeatedly

[hard fern]

i just wanted to wall off the heart events/dialogue that you would see

[uncut viper]

even if not stardrop tea, just giving them very loved gifts can be enough to get to, say, a heart event they shouldnt be able to see

[tiny zealot]

if you want to lock out heart events, just set a mail flag and check it in the preconditions

[ornate locust]

You can surely do a condition in the event that they didn't say the bad thing

yeah that

[hard fern]

what if the heart event had a precondition for needing to have not seen the event that causes the friendship lock

[tiny zealot]

any precondition can be negated with !

so, yes, that's easy, do that

[hard fern]

that way, it would be impossible to trigger it unless you debug ebi'd it 🤔

[uncut viper]

but also, what if im only at 1.7 hearts?

you've just given me 0.3 hearts with them

[hard fern]

i give up

[uncut viper]

its the kind of thing thats very easy with a C# mod, just unfortunately impossible afaik to plan for every scenario from a purely CP perspective

[hard fern]

but realistically the player shouldnt be lower than 2 hearts bc of the event requirement anyways.. like, you wouldnt be gaining anything if you were already at 2 hearts

[uncut viper]

you can give someone a hated gift and lower your hearts with them

[hard fern]

im still a little confused on the point you're trying to make

[uncut viper]

they can see the event at 2 hearts, get the bad flag, and then give them a hated gift

they are now at 1 heart or whatever and have seen the event legitimately

[hard fern]

i feel like that's pretty pointless to do though, like as a player

they're not benefiting from anything

[uncut viper]

i give NPCs i dislike hated gifts so i dont have to see any more of their events

[hard fern]

but the player wouldnt be seeing any more events regardless

[uncut viper]

how do they know?

[hard fern]

(hopefully by reading the documentation i write 😔 )

[uncut viper]

the hated gift mightve been accidental too

[ornate locust]

AHAHAHAHAHAH

ahahahahahahaahaaaaaaa

clears throat I mean

[uncut viper]

but try not to conflate my points here. im not saying these things are likely to matter or come up. im saying you cannot perfectly accomplish this task. you have to accept imperfections. how much they matter to you is your decision

[hard fern]

even if they accidentally gave a hated gift nothing would change if everything depended on the flag 🤔

[uncut viper]

i simply lay them out so you can make an informed decision

[ornate locust]

I only make documentation for the rare person who reads it and to point at when people ask questions, I no longer expect it to be read

[uncut viper]

if they did the event first and got the flag, and then gave the hated gift, then it doesnt matter what else depends on the flag. theyve now gotten the flag AND are under 2 hearts

[ornate locust]

people will ask an Ai before they just read your dang documentation

[uncut viper]

so if the whole "take them to 0 then add 500" depends on the flag, then anyone under 2 hearts with em gets free friendship addedo n

[hard fern]

maybe im just stupid, i can't figure out what the significance is...

[drowsy pewter]

its fine then

dont worry

[uncut viper]

it just means that in some circumstances your system to lock them to 2 hearts will accidentally increase their friendship with your NPC

not all circumstances and not common circumstances. just some rare circumstances

[hard fern]

so, then i shouldnt do it? because of that issue?

😔

i dont know what's right

[uncut viper]

up to you, how much do you care about that issue

[hard fern]

i don't really care, but since you brought it up i assume it's something i should care about?

but i can't do anything to fix it

[uncut viper]

i only bring it up so you know about it, i mean no implication of how much it matters

the question was "can i do this?" and my answer is "not perfectly, though you can get pretty close."
pretty close is pretty good

[hard fern]

i already knew about it, but i just figured it wouldn't matter since they'll never be able to progress the relationship any further

so even a minimal friendship increase wouldn't impact much

[uncut viper]

then you can decide to do it anyway and it will probably never be noticed by 99% of players

which is good

[gentle rose]

out of curiosity, is it possible in vanilla via content patcher to make an NPC not gain friendship from conversation?

[uncut viper]

no

[gentle rose]

:(

is there a dialogue command to lower friendship?

[uncut viper]

theres just a trigger action action

you dont know how much friendship an NPC got from talking

[gentle rose]

you don't?

I thought it was fixed

[uncut viper]

what if a mod changes it, or adds a buff like the statue of blessings

[gentle rose]

true

[uncut viper]

and you'd need to add it to every single dialogue

[gentle rose]

does betas have an on friendship change trigger--

[uncut viper]

BETAS aint exactly vanilla CP

[gentle rose]

I have given up on the vanilla part

[uncut viper]

it has a DialogueOpened trigger

but thats not specific to conversation

[gentle rose]

hmm, no I was thinking of specifically on friendship changed

[uncut viper]

there isnt, because atra never told me how to get the NPC name from the netfriendship object

i can detect a friendship change, i cant detect who its for

and it wouldnt tell you why the friendship changed

(you = the CP author that is)

[tiny zealot]

guess we should summon atra then.
ahem the pathfinder is cursed

[gentle rose]

could probably betas harmony it... but I have yet to figure out the target audience of betas harmony

[uncut viper]

(or i guess also the C# author)

[next plaza]

(...perhaps with some cursed nonsense involves upcoming 1.7 stuff? at least if a token or two got added)

[next plaza]

Hmm, nope. I didn't test HD sprites super thoroughly though, so probably is a bug

[uncut viper]

locking max friendship seems like the kind of thing that should be set in characterdata and not through token mess

[next plaza]

I mean, yes

And it's something I've considered before as well

[uncut viper]

BETAS Harmony cant do this either, since theres no way to read the parameters passed into a method

so you cant detect what NPC it is

[gentle rose]

sadness

[uncut viper]

BETAS has a traction to just set the friendship with an NPC, rather than add or remove, but it cant stop someone from temporarily gaining hearts

but you could do it every time dialogue is closed with that NPC, which is pretty quick

[gentle rose]

you could do part of the job by moving every item and context tag whose existence you're aware of and that they like/love to neutral

but that won't deal with items you aren't aware of or with dialogue

I can't remember if stardrop tea is hardcoded either

[uncut viper]

very much

[tiny zealot]

it's super hardcoded

[gentle rose]

makes sense

[uncut viper]

well for now

idr if its changed in 1.6.16

[next plaza]

When are we getting CP 2.0 3.0 that lets us run functions and loops on the data 😔

[gentle rose]

have an event in every location triggered at 3 hearts that silently docks one heart, followed by a trigger action that marks it as unseen

[uncut viper]

what if im at 3.1 hearts?

[gentle rose]

I'm assuming the exact value matters less than keeping it at roughly two hearts

[next plaza]

Add a precondition for friendship above 3 hearts, use betas to set friendship to 2

[uncut viper]

well now we're making some wild assumptions

[gentle rose]

or what Casey said

[next plaza]

My favorite!

[uncut viper]

like i said before, we can already get pretty damn close

but nothing will be a perfect solution

[tiny zealot]

i think i remember hearing that bypassing gift restrictions would become a data flag

[uncut viper]

bc theres just simply no way to set a cap on friendship other than 8 or 10 or 14

that sounds familiar to me

it would be ridiculously easy to implement in C# but then you have to contend with the fact that people arent likely to want to adopt a dependency solely for that

[next plaza]

It's definitely something I've considered in the past - alongside higher caps - but I never got around to it since I didn't need it and nobody else asked

Was contemplating for MMR

[gentle rose]

perfect, add 8 hearts so it gets clipped to 10 and then subtract eight hearts

[uncut viper]

"pls functionality? no dependency! only functionality!"

[gentle rose]

idk if it even will get clipped to ten

[uncut viper]

i dont know if it actually clips it if you just straight up add it via the traction

seems like it does

[gentle rose]

that's a ridiculous but technically viable solution then

[uncut viper]

but thats still not capping it

[next plaza]

I just pushed what I have, but from what it looks like GH already had SpaceCore 1.28.4. The only thing that changed in it with this push is the readme

[gentle rose]

sure it is

if you're over 2 you end up at 2, if you're under you end up where you started

[uncut viper]

because at the very least until the next 10 minute update, i will have some amount of hearts with them

it isnt. its reducing my friendship after i already exceeded 2

[next plaza]

The biggest reason to do it as an actual C# thing though instead of CP hackery

Is the UI

"why can't I ever get above 2 hearts with this NPC"

(they won't read, you can't rely on that on your mod page)

[uncut viper]

yeah you'd want locks on the hearts or something

[next plaza]

Or just grey them out like datables before dating

[gentle rose]

well you could do it as a traction on every conversation, since gifts trigger conversation so you're effectively immediately resetting back to max 2

anyway none of what I'm saying is actually a good idea

[next plaza]

Or just not show those hearts if it was something more along the lines of "this person can never go above 2 regardless of what happens"

[uncut viper]

but thats still not capping it, thats still just reducing it after it happened

[next plaza]

Okay, but

What's the difference?

Nothing in game reacts at the moment friendship is changed, I think?

I mean, sure, mod nonsense

[uncut viper]

nothing vanilla, no

[gentle rose]

ig recipe unlocks might?

[next plaza]

But if you're doing hackery, you gotta expect mod compat issues at least a little

[next plaza]

I thought thoise were checked at day start/end?

[uncut viper]

but time can still pass while you're in the dialogue

things can happen

[tiny zealot]

if going above a certain hearts unlocks one of the friendship achievements i think that's instant

[uncut viper]

thats also true

[next plaza]

Ah, true

[tiny zealot]

and if that's your first achievement then it opens hat mouse

[uncut viper]

that happens as a direct result of the changeFriendship method

[gentle rose]

I'm flattered you're double checking what you think against what I think but it's both nearly 3am and I have no clue what I'm talking about ever

[next plaza]

Sounds like a job for content patcher harmony patches

[uncut viper]

also, it can trigger the mail for teaching you about the bouquet or amulet

[next plaza]

I didn't double check, this is based on my memory 😛

[gentle rose]

there's a question mark!

[uncut viper]

(also, i feel like people are still not quite getting my "im not saying its not good enough, im saying its not perfect"...)

[next plaza]

I'm going to intentionally be up at 3 AM. For reasons the people in the current conversation are definitely unaware of, I'm sure

They definitely haven't seen #programm- I mean #programmers-off-topic

[gentle rose]

oh I do I'm just using it for entertainment

[next plaza]

I did completely miss that. But in my defense: (A) I jumped into the conversation late, and (B) my brain go brrrr

[tiny zealot]

i am fully with you and this is the first i have said on the topic

[gentle rose]

it's fun to try to figure out what ridiculous crimes you may be able to commit to technically achieve the goal

[uncut viper]

unfortunately content patcher harmony patches would need an actual feature update to make this work but

its really hard to tell myself that putting actual effort into that is a good use of my time

[next plaza]

me writing at least half my mods

[next plaza]

Is "crimes against mod-manity" not a good enough reason??????????

[gentle rose]

can you remove all their dialogue and give it to a fake NPC and then use betas to get that NPC's dialogue instead of theirs every time you interact with them--

[uncut viper]

it would be if people used them! maybe if i had like.... 7 less projects on the backburner itd be a higher priority

[next plaza]

#hashtag-BringBackActionCode

[uncut viper]

with C# you can absolutely do this

[next plaza]

Oh I totally get it. /me hides from the unfinished project pile prowling around, and also the not-started-yet project pile prowling around

(Things like "GMCM 2.0" and "clean up spacecore for 1.7" also count)

[tiny zealot]

thinking about event timecube (my vaporware event crimes mod) again

[uncut viper]

it doesnt help that one of those backburner projects would kind of make BETAS Harmony irrelevant

or any update to it, at least

[next plaza]

If I can't replace the entire vanilla game with modded minecraft using npcs as blocks and map tiles as items, then what is even the point of content patcher

[next plaza]

I have not heard of this one

[uncut viper]

have you checked that you cant?

[next plaza]

👀 or this one

[uncut viper]

i havent talked about it!

[next plaza]

Probably have to wait until 1.7 nonsense 😔

[uncut viper]

its too young in the planning stage for me to want to either

[next plaza]

Fair

If I could pick any non-supernatural superpower, I might have to pick "being able to control my hyperfocus"

(okay, yes, that's more supernatural than flight and superspeed and invincibility. but I'm just saying)

[tiny zealot]

that's basically the whole description, so you're not missing a lot

[next plaza]

Neither "event timecube" nor "vaporware event crimes" tells me what the mod does

[uncut viper]

is it event replaying without side effects or something

airgapped events

[next plaza]

Oh, I had a mod prototype for that back in Farmhand days

[tiny zealot]

that is one of its many putative features!

[next plaza]

.define putative

[patent lance]

adjective: commonly accepted or supposed

[gentle rose]

actually, what if you replace the NPC with a fake one entirely that's hidden from the social menu. trigger action after conversation that sets both npcs' friendship to the minimum of the two's, meaning that the original NPC and anything associated with it truly won't ever exceed 2.

you still have the issue with the fake possibly triggering achievements though

and you can't really dynamically copy the dialogue from the real NPC to the fake without c#, you can only copy a static version of what you think the dialogue is assuming nobody changed it

anyway bye

[uncut viper]

im glad casey asked for the definition bc i also didnt know it

[next plaza]

inb4 "it's a perfectly cromulent word"

[tiny zealot]

i do like to say that

[uncut viper]

this is great and all except

minimum of the two
cannot be done

[next plaza]

...I just noticed both of you are here at once

sends my brain to intensive training bootcamp

[gentle rose]

I could have sworn that was in the maths query tokens

[uncut viper]

... the ones in 1.7?

[gentle rose]

hmm. it was a terrible idea regardless

[gentle rose]

no, the existing ones

[next plaza]

I literally thought it was just me button and iro this whole time

[uncut viper]

there are no maths query tokens

[next plaza]

I think iro means the CP token

Not the tokenizable string token

[tiny zealot]

is there someone else here?

[uncut viper]

well you cant get live friendship data into those

so i was simply being a good friend in assuming iro couldnt possibly have meant those...

cough

[next plaza]

doesn't at least one of the mods out there let you force a patch context to update outside of its update rate

[uncut viper]

yeah thats BETAS

lmao

[next plaza]

If we're talking crimes... why not

[gentle rose]

you know for a fact I meant the stupid thing

[uncut viper]

i dont know how thatd work in medias res though

in the middle of the dialogue boix in question

in other words iro, feel free to make a proof of concept

i look forward to it

also there is no Math.min in {{Query}}

[gentle rose]

shhhhhhh it's a great idea with no flaws

[gentle rose]

[next plaza]

My brain when these two are talking in the same conversation

[uncut viper]

looks at smudged writing on hand

[next plaza]

(and of course wren sometimes. though that's even more baffling to be honest)

[uncut viper]

if it makes you feel any better i dont confuse iro and ichor but i do confuse wren and tia

[gentle rose]

wren? why are our names confusing with wren?

[uncut viper]

i did used to confuse wren with ichor

[next plaza]

Good question

[uncut viper]

but that was a while ago

[next plaza]

Wish my brain would be reasonable

[uncut viper]

i do kinda see caseys point though even though i can tell you apart y'all three/four just kinda have like

a distinct shade of metaphorical orange in my mind

and its all the same metaphorical orange off shade

[gentle rose]

blame modded farmers. I was going to use a different name but they said it looked too much like the word anchovies

[uncut viper]

so you're all vaguely similarly associated

[next plaza]

Me: "I get ichortower and irocendar confused sometimes..."
Average person: "yeah I guess their names are kinda similar"
Me: "and tlitookilakin as well"
Average person: "wtf"

[gentle rose]

four? as in tia too?

[uncut viper]

yeah i was talking about my weird brain associations there

[gentle rose]

I figured you confused Tia and wren because of the NPC

[drowsy pewter]

sometimes people just have similar vibes

[uncut viper]

the NPC is not the reason bc i didnt know tia made wren

til just now

[next plaza]

This is another problem I used to have, when pa bunch of people using the same color name are the only ones talking.

Like, it sounds silly, but multiple name colors genuinely feels like an accessibility thing to me. (Especially in games like MC that have all-white-username-and-message chat by default)

[uncut viper]

(sorry tia nothing personal i promise i just have not done a playthru since wren released yet )

im doing you a service by never becoming a mod author

[next plaza]

...I think tiakall is in there for me too, I just notice them around rarely enough that I've completely forgotten to include them

[drowsy pewter]

I've said this before in another server before where everyone had one of two colors and got cyberbullied for it lmao

[next plaza]

tiakall is probably more strongly confused with wren though, compared to iro/ichor being with each other

[gentle rose]

the vibes thing is just funny to me because tia doesn't do c#

[uncut viper]

it was a nice part of the halloween contest last year where everyone could choose from four whole new colours

[next plaza]

Wait, who is the extra professions mod author?

[gentle rose]

and I only do content packs for crime reasons

[next plaza]

The one that adds the skill tree type thing

[tiny zealot]

vpp is kedi

[gentle rose]

kedi?

[uncut viper]

casey, are you perhaps confusing that with wren's machine upgrade system?

[next plaza]

doing yobas work (you, not the bullies)

[uncut viper]

hello chu

[next plaza]

wren's what now

[lucid iron]

do u show pfp in chat casey

[tiny zealot]

wren also made profession books, if anyone needed more confusion

[lucid iron]

herro buttons

[uncut viper]

chu im sure you were wondering but you're in a league of ur own when it comes to my mind associations

[next plaza]

Compact mode with tiny profile picture

[next plaza]

as shown here

[uncut viper]

but not extra books, someone else made that, idr who

[drowsy pewter]

I dont use pfps because it gets rather clogged having modding discussions

[next plaza]

lets also add to the fact that I can hardly ever remember how to spell wren's username, and we usually just call them wren anyways

[gentle rose]

and tia made the little free library

[next plaza]

I'm pretty sure at one point I was getting you and chu confused with each other

To some extent still am as far as what mods you make.

[uncut viper]

id say that ones wild to me but i think its natural for the confusee to be surprised at being a confusee

[next plaza]

Ah, yes, another to The List

To be honest I'm just bad with names in general

[gentle rose]

there was at least a month where I didn't realise atra and elizabeth were separate mathpeople

[lucid iron]

can u elaborate on this

[next plaza]

Role color helps a lot

[uncut viper]

iro how do you feel about the fact that the main reason you're a Separate Entity to me is because you imprinted early on in my mind from having a very laggy map mod issue that needed fixing

[next plaza]

When people retire their cheeto, it throws me off a lot

Plus times like when blueberry retired from being a junimo

[gentle rose]

like it's unfortunately accurate

[tiny zealot]

i like having the pfps in order to avoid this exact problem (confusing people), but then i have to leave the ui mode on default (big pictures), both to see the pictures and to reduce the clutter of seeing the pfp/name combo on every message if they post back-to-back

[next plaza]

That's fair, I just happened to be friends with both

[uncut viper]

if my brain were a CPU and i was grabbing things from RAM and needed ot grab some extra bytes around the edges of what i actually wanted for efficiency reasons, then when it grabs "chu" there are no other mod authors in the same local memory space

[next plaza]

While we're talking about name confusion

[uncut viper]

whereas if i grab wren or tia, the other one comes along for the ride in that access and gets added to the cache

[next plaza]

It was quite a while until the average discord modder caught on to my name change 😅

I mean even a day or two ago someone asked if I was spacechase0. But that's understandable, since it's people coming from nexus.

I mainly mean it took a while even for regulars

[gentle rose]

it has been fixed, btw. now the mod is bad for totally different reasons

-# there may or may not already be a half ready completely rewritten v2

[uncut viper]

v2!

[next plaza]

(Keep in mind I didn't have a fancy red name then)

[vernal crest]

I actually keep getting confused in your server because I associate white names with no longer being in the server due to maincord being my first ever public server lol

[lucid iron]

i am happy that i am struct padding to u

[next plaza]

Not compact is too not compact though 😔

[uncut viper]

you're doing wonders for my L1 cache chu

[gentle rose]

featuring incredible things like "actually doing what it's supposed to be doing" and "not having nonsensical draw layers"

[uncut viper]

all draw layers is nonsense as far as im concerned

[tiny zealot]

as long as i turn the "space between message groups" down to 0px it's Fine for me (discord forgets this setting at the drop of a hat, though)

[gentle rose]

mine put map markers on top of tooltips

[patent lance]

@next plaza: do this if I haven’t yet (2h ago)

[next plaza]

go away uber I already did it

[uncut viper]

arguably more importanyt

i wouldnt argue it but its arguable

[next plaza]

(Not me suddenly realizing there's simultaneous ichor and iro chatter again)

(Yes, it leaves my brain that quickly)

[uncut viper]

the only solution is that one of either iro or ichor must relinquish their cheeto role

[tiny zealot]

iro how do you feel about the fact that after the map lag incident, i dissociated you from it in my mind and only recently was reminded that it was you

[next plaza]

I think part of the problem is a big way I associated names earlier on in modding was with what mod you made

[uncut viper]

(im doing my part )

[gentle rose]

glad

[next plaza]

And framework authors kinda got a lumped together category, since there weren't many

And now there's a bazillion frameworks

By the way what's the map lag incident

[uncut viper]

i am very bad at remembering what mods people have made a lot of the time so i cannot relate

[next plaza]

Was it another thing I was in a depression coma for

[lucid iron]

hey i make things that arent frameworks sometimes

[gentle rose]

I may or may not have parsed every single event in the game every single tick when the map was open

[next plaza]

I mean, me too. That's kinda the problem here, my brain calibrated itself for a much smaller community

[tiny zealot]

you can pry my Pixelsmith from my cold dead hands

[uncut viper]

to be fair, i never remember that pixelsmith and blacksmith are roles at all

[next plaza]

"much smaller" being "everything modded on the server - chatter, troubleshooting, development - in one channel, before there were threads. also before #program- #programmers-off-topic "

[next plaza]

Oh, just the on the map menu, not every time a map was rendered? That's not too bad

Pretty sure I've done worse at some point

In SpaceCore

Can't recall what for

(Back when JA was basically required for custom items, too)

[next plaza]

(And remember, JA requires spacecore)

[uncut viper]

#making-mods-general message

[gentle rose]

also for some reason it didn't really affect my potato, which makes me think it only really made a difference for people who had a million events

[next plaza]

Oh here we go

https://github.com/spacechase0/SpaceCore_SDV/issues/9

It was the feature I wrote for JA

[uncut viper]

it didnt affect your potato because you opened the map with the hotkey!

[next plaza]

ie. the "people are adding way too many items on one install are you people crazy" feature

[uncut viper]

which was the crux of the issue

[gentle rose]

oh right

[uncut viper]

map opened with hotkey = works as intended
map opened via the GameMenu tab = horribly laggy bc it didnt trigger MenuChanged

[gentle rose]

maybe people should just use the hotkey then 😌

[next plaza]

...so if anything it wasn't my fault, it was the users for installing too many fruit tree mods

[gentle rose]

my mod is incompatible with the behaviour of opening the map not through the hotkey

[uncut viper]

im trying to imagine the irocendar of a year ago to imagine how confident theyd feel saying that back then versus now

[next plaza]

(Yes, fruit trees was the first thing that needed tilesheet extensions, if I remember right)

[next plaza]

I read that as "irocender of the year award" and was like "wow, such a tight award category" and then was gonna say "well, at least there's some competition, since there's 2-3 competitors"

[gentle rose]

the irocendar of a year ago was an idiot with mental health issues

and just because nothing has changed doesn't mean it's any less relevant 😌

[next plaza]

Say something with enough anxiety and it'll come across as confidence

[gentle rose]

well some things have changed. I could stand up for an hour without nearly fainting a year ago

[gentle rose]

according to one scammer, there's at least one playing some mysterious mobile game

[next plaza]

Is it modded android SDV

[next plaza]

.s/a year ago/10 years ago/
for me

So, fun modding history fact:

JA got unlimited fruit tree / crop support (ie. the pretend-a-tilesheet-can-be-larger-than-4096-pixels hack) with the update for SDV 1.4, in november 2019. At the time I thought "objects are so small and BCs are also small and much rarer to make, surely they won't need extending"

July 2020, I had to extend springobjects (and the hats tilesheets). September 2020, I had to extend big craftables too.

Yes, people added so many objects/BCs that their vanilla tilesheets got full

(Although I guess to be fair, I did start a fair bit after vanilla IDs started, because I didn't want to deal with vanilla adding items and suddenly needing to manage that sort of backwards compatibility)

(BCs started at 300, objects started at 2000 but later moved to 3000 because of fish tanks apparently)

...I should sleep

to prepare

for KAR-nage

[gentle rose]

if you should sleep, what does that say about me?

technically in a physical sense my time zone is based in the UK

[next plaza]

I mean I'm only sleeping because I'm going to be up for the 3 AM demo start

[gentle rose]

3am was half an hour ago

[next plaza]

I don't know what you mean by that, but that sounds like sound doing logical cartwheels (can't rememeber the word I'm looking for) to justify being up still

[next plaza]

Oh, so the KAR demo will be in normal morning hours. Lucky you

Anyways, off to prepare

(not sleep, this is serious business)

[fervent horizon]

what is the patch debug command again?

I know I saw it yesterday but I cannot find it

nevermind figured it out

[quick sand]

guys am i tripping? chance per tick 0.25 on fire 0.1 on green

it seems way to fast given the numbers

[tight rivet]

Hm.

[frosty hull]

thanks you👍, i have test it no error, works great
https://github.com/NRTnarathip/StardewValleyMods-Android/releases/tag/SpaceCore%2F1.28.4-nrt.1

[narrow owl]

what is target without path?

is it filename?

[tender bloom]

It’s whatever you wrote under Target

[oblique meadow]

It’s basically saying “find this folder, we won’t tell you how to get there”

[tender bloom]

But without the path

candy, MagmaSprite, etc in this case

[devout otter]

Like on the bottom. The {{Target}} is Maps/PIF/{{ModId}}_ArenaT0, so {{TargetWithoutPath}} is {{ModId}}_ArenaT0.

[narrow owl]

huh

[narrow owl]

?

im sorry im confused