making-mods-general

[autumn tide]

huh!

[gaunt orbit]

making-mods being on topic like usual

[next plaza]

A couple of tangents, nothing unusual

[autumn tide]

nothing off-topic to see here

[hard fern]

Platypus is venomous

[autumn tide]

no effing way-

[gaunt orbit]

yeah

[hard fern]

Yes

[gaunt orbit]

as a kid I was really afraid of platypus spurs

[autumn tide]

that is so fucking cool-

[hard fern]

It has venomous spines on its hind legs i think

[shut edge]

platypus gave in to feature creep

[next plaza]

I hear some platypi are secret agents

[autumn tide]

hmm i still think horned lizard is def one of the most monsterous animals tho

[gaunt orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/perry-the-platypus-gif-27527731

[next plaza]

platypus got all the spare parts leftover after everything else was made

[autumn tide]

THEY CAN SHOOT VENOM-INFUSED BLOOD FROM THEIR EYES.

[vernal crest]

Were you around any? /curious

[shut edge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrsaXzmqShM

also while i'm there is youtube acting up for anyone else

[gaunt orbit]

no. it was more like the threat of quicksand where you hear about it and then are convinced its a serious problem

[shut edge]

is it a new wave of anti adblock shenanigans?

[gaunt orbit]

yes

[shut edge]

lame

[tiny zealot]

yeah it's been real shit lately as a result

[gaunt orbit]

I turned off my adblock and got a separate adblock just for youtube and it started working again

[autumn tide]

huh, that's good

[shut edge]

my friend runs all his tube through like an albanian VPN or something

[next plaza]

don't forget the bermuda triangle

[shut edge]

some country where the ads are illegal

[gaunt orbit]

OH YEAH

[autumn tide]

YES omg

[shut edge]

quicksand, bermuda triangle, lava floors

[hard fern]

Did you know echidnas can enter rem sleep but only at specific temperatures.

[shut edge]

i think that also happens for me

[tiny zealot]

i have forgotten about the bermuda triangle many times and i will continue doing so 😌

[autumn tide]

im so happy I didn't know about the weird bio shit i know about now as a kid-

[autumn tide]

good for you honestly-

[hard fern]

I used to be really scared of the heat death of the universe as a kid

[autumn tide]

SAME

[gaunt orbit]

I probably would've been fine it just would've made me into an even weirder furry than I already am

[next plaza]

I saw a documentary once on that last one. Truly frightening stuff. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_Escapism

[gaunt orbit]

I was more scared of the sun consuming earth

[shut edge]

heat death is no problem, we'll be dead many times and many ways before getting to that

[autumn tide]

ik but still

[shut edge]

now, pulsars...

[autumn tide]

or nuclear doom.

[hard fern]

I was also scared of black holes

[shut edge]

hah.

[next plaza]

Fun casey dream fact of the day: I've eaten black holes before

[autumn tide]

..still a teensy bit paranoid about their existance tbh-

[shut edge]

there is an oddly watchable documentary about uh, quicksand fetishists

[autumn tide]

...

[hard fern]

🤔

[autumn tide]

[shut edge]

watched it with a friend one time and we were like damn this is kind of intersting tho

[hard fern]

Speaking of documentaries i like the ones where there's an old british guy talking about weird animals ive never heard of

[autumn tide]

[shut edge]

got into the history of quicksand scenes in film

[gaunt orbit]

I have thoughts on that but I dont want to get bonked for nsfw

[shut edge]

and like...quicksand enthusiasts hiding good spots from each other??

[gaunt orbit]

talking about kinks might be safe but it feels a bit borderline

[next plaza]

(I mean, how else was I supposed to get rid of them? Especially if they're coming towards earth)

[hard fern]

Uh.. sandlight sandkeep sandboss

[shut edge]

yeah i'll not go further on this one lol

[autumn tide]

i am judging you but i might add that to my watch later thing anyways-

[shut edge]

brb making a quicksand mod for the desert

[autumn tide]

yesss

[shut edge]

i didn't pick it, lol

[autumn tide]

still judging you 💖

[shut edge]

not even the worst weird doc i have watched with that friend....tickle king is TERRIFYING

[gray bear]

[autumn tide]

the WHAT.

[gray bear]

what is happening

[shut edge]

that doc is a damn rollercoaster ride

[hard fern]

So first it was dragons. Then platypus, then quicksand

[autumn tide]

i am so curious about this friend rn LOL

[shut edge]

he's a character

[gray bear]

i'd like to return to platypus

[shut edge]

understandable

[autumn tide]

okay but is no one gonna mention the horned lizard?!

cmonnn they're so cool

[hard fern]

They're ok

[gray bear]

i do like lizards

[shut edge]

oddly i wasn't thinking of a quicksand mod yet despite having plans to make a desert region with landmines and stuff

[hard fern]

I like my reptiles limbless

[autumn tide]

THEY SHOOT VENOM INFUSED BLOOD FROM THEIR EYES I LOVE THEM

[gray bear]

are they austarlian

[shut edge]

imagine if you could shoot venom blood from your eyes at people you did not like

[autumn tide]

somehow, no

MERICA

[autumn tide]

10/10 superpower

[gray bear]

how potent is this venom

[autumn tide]

hmmmm

[gray bear]

feel like i'd go to jail

[autumn tide]

idk

[hard fern]

Did you know cactus fruit is called tuna

[autumn tide]

worth it tbh

[gray bear]

what

forsy do not lie to me, i will cry

[autumn tide]

they're actually very cute tho

[shut edge]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-gengar-ghost-spooky-gif-15955632899314007913

[gray bear]

it's flat fuck lizard

[shut edge]

hell yeah

[autumn tide]

HELL YEAHHH

[autumn tide]

you beat me to it lol

[gray bear]

himb shape, so round

[hard fern]

Im telling the truth

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opuntia

[gray bear]

cactus

[autumn tide]

huh, they are

[gray bear]

tuna (fruit)

i hate it here

[autumn tide]

hold up i found a nat geo vid of the blood lizard-

[next plaza]

Brb genetically engineering a fruit that tastes like tuna solely to make things more confusing

[gray bear]

and then give it to subway bc for some reason people think their tuna has no tuna

[hard fern]

What

What else would be in tuna

[autumn tide]

okay gonna try to spoiler the link cause the photo is nasty but damn-

[gray bear]

idfk all subway food related controversies are stupid

[autumn tide]

|| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE_fZNZjJcQ ||

[gray bear]

wow

[autumn tide]

i know

[shut edge]

badass

[autumn tide]

ignore the narrator's weird tone-

[gray bear]

finally something more gross than a period

is it a defense mechanism

[autumn tide]

it's giving ripley's believe it or not-

[autumn tide]

ugh why can't humans just have estrous like all* other mammals

[shut edge]

coyote is like what in the hell

[gray bear]

no that's worse

just let me be free

[gaunt orbit]

there are evolutionary advantages to not having a fixed breeding season but I won't argue that the grass doesn't seem greener on the other side in terms of personal experience

[autumn tide]

imagine you're coyote just looking for a meal and YOUR MEAL SHOOTS BLOOD OUT OF ITS EYES AT YOU

[autumn tide]

true true

[autumn tide]

ye every period I'm like 'okay DIY hysterectomy time'

[gaunt orbit]

you know what is fucked up though? most animals produce their own vitamin c, and primates evolved out of that ability, which is why we need to eat citrus and get scurvy if we don't

[hard fern]

Damnit

[autumn tide]

huh

[gray bear]

we are truly the dumbest species

[hard fern]

Its very funny i can't eat oranges

[shut edge]

losing evo features to justify eating more fruit

[autumn tide]

I didn't know that, makes sense considering a fruit based diet tho

[gaunt orbit]

yeah it happened to fruit bats too

[autumn tide]

interesting

[gray bear]

yeah but they only eat fruit

[hard fern]

Its a ploy by big fruit. They removed our citrus gene

[gray bear]

we eat,, everything

[autumn tide]

i wonder if making vitamin C is like, super costly ie why it de-evolved

[gray bear]

evolution is meant to preserve good traits though

[gaunt orbit]

well I suspect it was more that a random mutation got rid of it, and because of the prevalence of citrus in their diet, it didn't affect survivability, and got baked into the gene pool

[autumn tide]

not inherently, but ik what you mean lol

[gray bear]

how many oranges are people eating

[gaunt orbit]

it's not meant to do anything, it's just random chance based on how likely a thing is to die

[autumn tide]

makes sense, it just didn't matter sorta thing

[shut edge]

evolution is mostly for making scarier getter robos

[autumn tide]

mostly how likely something is to live long enough to spread its genes

[gray bear]

why can't we be like horseshoe crabs

[autumn tide]

via reproduction unless youre a bacteria

horizontal gene transfer and such

[gray bear]

massive sideye @ the appendix

[autumn tide]

OMG SACOGLOSSANS-

THEY'RE ANIMALS THAT PHOTOSYNTHESIZE

[gray bear]

yeah animals are like cool n shit

[autumn tide]

it's so fucking cool

[gaunt orbit]

oh yeah lobsters never stop growing and dont experience senescence, they only die of age because growing a larger shell eventually become too constly and they either starve or are crushed inside a too-small shell

[autumn tide]

sea slugs man-

[gray bear]

and we are over here not 100% used to standing up straight

[autumn tide]

IK its awesome

[autumn tide]

too gay to stand up straight- /j

i blame bonobos for that personally

[gray bear]

bonobos?

[autumn tide]

uhh type of primate that are closely related to us and also extremely lesbian

[gray bear]

damn

[autumn tide]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo#Sociosexual_behaviour

[gray bear]

u know if we still had a tail our posture would be better, but now we got a dumb ass tail bone

[autumn tide]

ik 😭

god i hate tail bones tbh

[gaunt orbit]

anyways I should stop wasting my time chatting and go be productive

[hard fern]

Did you know that humans have a significantly larger gluteus maximus for our size compared to other mammals

[gaunt orbit]

today is local elections where I am and I need to go vote at some point

[autumn tide]

no

[gray bear]

ass

[autumn tide]

oh yeah def go vote

[gray bear]

welcome to national-mods-general

[autumn tide]

i was gonna say like 'eh who needs to be productive' but voting wins lol

[gray bear]

today we are talking about butts

[gaunt orbit]

!help

[ocean sail]

please get me off discord

To use this command, type !help.

[hard fern]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-10358303

[autumn tide]

fantastic

you learn new things everyday 💖

the beauty of this natural world

and ASS

[gray bear]

the beauty of everything not human u mean

[autumn tide]

idk humans are cool too

we have chins

other animals dont

[gray bear]

my back hurts :)

[autumn tide]

also brains but honestly not as interesting

[gray bear]

all brain does is bzzt bzzt and make sauce

[autumn tide]

also pain signals!

[gray bear]

that's bzzt bzzt

[vernal crest]

No, brains are fascinating!

[autumn tide]

true true

to both of those lol

[vernal crest]

There's a frequency of sound that makes humans feel dread!

[gray bear]

o-o

who even needs sci fi as that point

[autumn tide]

oh yeah! i remember hearing about that, didn't research it tho

[autumn tide]

losers

[vernal crest]

The human brain is capable of covering up massive gaps in vision by basically inventing what it thinks should be there and it's so good at it that people can have extreme vision loss without noticing!

[gray bear]

all i know is it's possible to live with half a brain

[autumn tide]

me all the time bc i never sleep- /s

[gray bear]

wow, that's horrifying and cool at the same time

[vernal crest]

It's possible to lose episodic memory (your memory of things that have happened) without impacting your procedural memory (how to do things) so it's possible to know how to play the piano without any memory of learning!

[autumn tide]

pattern recognition is effective what humans do

[autumn tide]

huh!

[vernal crest]

I studied psychology can you tell lol

[autumn tide]

yes.

it's entertaing tho!

[gray bear]

mhm, it's very cool

[autumn tide]

we shall bask in the wisdom of your fun facts

[gray bear]

when i have a panic attack i trick my brain that eerything is fine

see like the rest of the body, brains are kinda dumb

[vernal crest]

You'll have to bask in just those three because I must sleep 😴

[gray bear]

goodnight Aba!

[autumn tide]

kinda cool that your brain can manipulate your brain-

[autumn tide]

oh yeah it's night for you! gn!

anyways i don't have anything else to say rn, nice totally-100%-on-topic def-modding-related-and-nothing-else chat!

[next plaza]

wut

I feel like !help should be a normal command

Not a silly one

I wonder if !halp is still a thing

(I won't try it though - for those who remember that command, you know why)

[autumn tide]

...time to go to governors mansion-

[gaunt orbit]

you can check the command list

[next plaza]

that won't help with the effect

Oh I discovered this in the past

[next plaza]

I don't remember the command for that

[autumn tide]

ohhh it pings pathos?

[next plaza]

#making-mods-general message

[drowsy pewter]

lmaoooo

[next plaza]

I have used that command 4 times

According to discord search

And also a single "@ Pathoschild Halp" before those

[frosty hull]

Hello World, quick question
how can i set the ModBuildConfig Dll version autometic by manifest.json?

[next plaza]

You can do the other way around using khloe's manifest builder

[gaunt orbit]

that's a separate package called ModManifestBuilder

[tiny zealot]

(did pathos add the version variable thing to modbuildconfig yet, or just talk about it?)

[next plaza]

https://github.com/KhloeLeclair/Stardew-ModManifestBuilder

[next plaza]

(I didn't know he even talked about, but I've been missing from modding for like a year, so...)

[tiny zealot]

or maybe smapi, i forget which

anyway the idea was you could use $(modversion) or whatever in your manifest and it would pull from your csproj

or at least, i think i remember him talking about that

[dusk terrace]

any tips on how I should implement patch ordering for DDFC? Ideally they should be in the same order as the CP patches that add them... but then I'd have to number them somehow as the patches are made and they could also include multiple DDFC patches so I don't know anymore

[tiny zealot]

he did it

[next plaza]

Ah, yeah, that was during my most recent depression arc

(well, a bunch more going on than just depression, so I guess "depression and friends" arc)

[autumn tide]

✨ character development ✨

[frosty hull]

https://github.com/KhloeLeclair/Stardew-ModManifestBuilder?tab=readme-ov-file#dependencies
how can i set dependencies?
i got an error:
C:\Users\narat\Desktop\Stardew Valley Android\Mods Repository\ImproveGame\ImproveGame.csproj : error : The attribute "Include" in element <SMAPIDependency> is unrecognized. C:\Users\narat\Desktop\Stardew Valley Android\Mods Repository\ImproveGame\ImproveGame.csproj

[next plaza]

Did you install the mod manifest builder package

It's different from the mod build config

Like, this is JA's SMAPIDependency entries

[frosty hull]

yes,i have already installed

[next plaza]

Hmm

OH

You have yours in a PropertyGroup

These would go in an ItemGroup

[frosty hull]

One sec.

[gaunt orbit]

You also shouldn't be directly referencing harmony, and you should be getting newtonsoft from smapi's internal installation instead of a package

[next plaza]

pay no attention to the jsonassets behind the curtain

(to be fair, the version number should be matching the SMAPI one - or maybe behind, at this point)

[quick sand]

good morning guys. anyone here understand spacecore animations?

// add animations
{
"LogName": "Animations",
"Action": "EditData",
"Target": "spacechase0.SpaceCore/TextureOverrides",
"Entries": {
"{{ModId}}_Shishkebab": {
"TargetTexture": "{{ModId}}/shishkebab",
"TargetRect": { "X": 0, "Y": 0, "Width": 16, "Height": 16 },
"SourceTexture": "{{InternalAssetKey: assets/shanimation.png}}:0@5,1@5,2@5",
"ChancePerTick": 0.1,

    },
}

},

[hot oasis]

Hello! I added a custom building to the Town map..I'm wo during how I can add a winter version to it..seems like winter acts and works differently from the other seasons (even my lockeddoorwarp doesn't act the same in winter) thank yky!

[quick sand]

it just overrides the the sprite with the first image of the animation but doesnt animate it. also smapi has a never ending error going on from spacecore when i have this block

[tiny zealot]

ah, lockeddoorwarp is hardcoded to ignore friendship requirements for entry in winter

[tender bloom]

I've never used chance per tick but the rest looks vaguely right to me?

what if you remove that bit?

[hot oasis]

Oof that's brutal..so c#? Haha..also do you know how to change to winter for custom buildings???

[tiny zealot]

if you name your tilesheets correctly the game will automatically swap them out to match the season

see vanilla's spring_outdoorsTileSheet and the corresponding summer_, fall_, and winter_ for an example

[quick sand]

no luck even without it

[10:04:30 ERROR SpaceCore] This mod failed in the GameLoop.UpdateTicking event. Technical details:
Microsoft.Xna.Framework.Content.ContentLoadException: The content file was not found.
---> FileNotFoundException: Could not find file 'C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Stardew Valley\Content\1.xnb'.

[hot oasis]

Gotcha!! Appreciate the help!!

[tiny zealot]

("correctly" in this case means "prefix with season_")

[quick sand]

followed by more red text infinitely repeating

[next plaza]

Each , section needs to specify the file. There's a way around that though in this case:

{{InternalAssetKey: assets/shanimation.png}}:0..2@5

Which will do frames 0 through 2 (includsive) at a duration of 5

[quick sand]

first off.. THANK YOU! that worked

i dont understand though because my first method was copy/paste from the spacecore documentation

[next plaza]

Sounds like I need to update the docs 😅

The code was originally from DGA, so I probably adjusted it when I brought it into spacecore and didn't update the example

[quick sand]

sorry if that came across rude. i just read it as either method could work

[next plaza]

No worries

I didn't realize the docs said that

[quick sand]

quick question.. what is the @5? it seems much faster than seconds

5 ticks?

[next plaza]

It's in frames

There's 60 frames per second, so 5 = 5/60 seconds = 0.0833... seconds

[quick sand]

oh lol thanks

[next plaza]

I really should add a way to use milliseconds or something

[quick sand]

it makes sense for people that do animations. i havent done any in a while so i didnt connect it

[autumn tide]

helloo! wanted to check if I had this when thing formatted correctly?

whoop, wrong event key

i'll fix that lol

[next plaza]

I mean a human intuitive format is better either way I think - that way, if a mod changes the framerate somehow, it would still work fine

[frosty hull]

Ah thanks, just move SMAPIDependencies into <ItemGroup> 🙌

[next plaza]

Future casey problem

Anyways I updated the spacecore docs

[quick sand]

btw.. are you spacechase0?

[next plaza]

Yep

Changed my username a few years ago, still haven't updated nexus or github

Might do nexus for 1.7

Github I'm still unsure about since it'll break every fork

[autumn tide]

oh cool! your secret identity is revealed lol

[next plaza]

(Or local clones of forks, anyways)

[next plaza]

I mean it's pretty common knowledge here 😂

[quick sand]

oh geez.. youre like a god. nearly every thing i've made uses spacecore

[autumn tide]

literally how i felt first joining the server 😭

[next plaza]

If I had that kind of power I wouldn't be limited my a mere 24 hours a day 😂 (or my meatbrain)

[autumn tide]

like HUH

[urban patrol]

no, with a When you should be using HasSeenEvent

When and GSQs don’t play nicely out of the box

[autumn tide]

it's like putting on glasses to hide your secret identity

[autumn tide]

gotcha, tysm

[next plaza]

I do wear glasses...

[autumn tide]

..another layer of glasses then idk

😂

[inner harbor]

Just a heads up folks that when i release the updated ESR later today, it will have new Unique IDs: Lemurkat.EastScarp and Lemurkat.EastScarpNPCs

[next plaza]

Oh, ESR is coming out? Nice

[inner harbor]

(The LemurKat.EastScarpe.CP will continue to more or less work for a while)

[next plaza]

It's been in the works for quite a while

[inner harbor]

Yes and it's still not finished but i promised late October and the rest is all romance stuff so it cam wait.

[autumn tide]

hey! would it be possible to start a schedule with MAIL and then set the mail value to something non-existent so it'll always trigger otherwise?

[tiny zealot]

it seems like it, but i don't think i understand the use case

[autumn tide]

i have no idea what I'm doing

OH are the initial commands not necessary?

[tiny zealot]

yeah they are special flags, you can just not use them

[autumn tide]

OH okay ty!

[tiny zealot]

(consult vanilla for usage examples, as always )

[urban patrol]

when it comes to lore about the beginnings of pelican town, do we have anything?

tempted to make up my own (pelican town was founded by Thaddeus Pelican 200 years ago etc)

[autumn tide]

hm, I don't recall any, but it's really cool that you're making some!

the wizard does mention the area having like magical significance?

[quick sand]

stardew valley was formed after a meteor or something fell right?

[tiny zealot]

running was invented in 1612 by Thomas Running when he tried to walk twice at the same time

[urban patrol]

ooh i didn’t remember either of those

[quick sand]

take that with a grain of salt because my brain is damaged so i may have made it up

[next plaza]

I don't recall any vanilla lore on the subject

[tiny zealot]

this smells like mod (maybe sve?) content. i don't remember this

[next plaza]

A few mods definitely dive into it though

[quick sand]

probably

[urban patrol]

sounds like i have a blank canvas then!

[autumn tide]

OH YEAH in my head (no clue where these ideas are from, sorry) pelican town was the site where the dwarvish ship crashlanded like 2000 years ago, and therefore starting the elemental wars

it was 1000 in the bg but i'm extending the war in my mod lol

krobus references them crashlanding in the sewer fight event

[quick sand]

Pelican Town is located within the Ferngill Republic, at war with the Gotoro Empire across the Gem Sea.

just a reminder

[autumn tide]

and there's a shit-ton of iridium, implying frequent metor crashes

[next plaza]

I mean, who said iridium only comes from meteors

[autumn tide]

i'm pretty sure it does irl??

[quick sand]

also the artifacts you find hint at a prior civilization

[autumn tide]

OH YEAH!

[next plaza]

Most IRL meteors are elements that are also present on earth

[autumn tide]

like the elves

[next plaza]

Also isn't all the iridium in SDV in the desert mines, not the valley itself?

[tiny zealot]

also stardew is extremely not constrained by irl /lh

[next plaza]

True

[autumn tide]

true lol

[next plaza]

I was just thinking "why would iridium = many meteors"

[autumn tide]

eh, just a headcanon lol

[next plaza]

Ah

[autumn tide]

and also the metors on the farm have iridium too

[next plaza]

According to wikipedia, iridium is much more common in meteorites, but it is present in the earth's crust (it's just rare)

[quick sand]

TIL iridium is real

[next plaza]

but either way I don't recall much iridium in the valley

[next plaza]

It's not purple IRL at least

[calm nebula]

At risk of being off topic

Yes. Iridium comes from space

[autumn tide]

gotcha, the source i learned from then was over-exaggerated them

[autumn tide]

sadly 💔

[calm nebula]

Iridium anomaly - Wikipedia https://share.google/iCS4BB0YjFNcpJDTr

[next plaza]

Hmm

[autumn tide]

yess i love that

[next plaza]

You know what else comes from space?

Earth

[calm nebula]

You do

[next plaza]

Checkmate

[tiny zealot]

the most important irl iridium fact is that it is a pretty lousy material for making tools, just like gold

[calm nebula]

You come from space, casey

You and your cat.

[autumn tide]

best separtion of geologic eras ever tbh

[next plaza]

I do?

[calm nebula]

Clearly since your avatar

[quick sand]

i know were focused on iridium but its crazy the mines can just have radioactive ore because mr.qi?

[next plaza]

I mean if I/my cat was a space native, why would we need an astronaut suit

[calm nebula]

Astronaut helmet doesnt lie

[autumn tide]

what in-

[calm nebula]

It's a very hard metal and gets used for that smth

[autumn tide]

i gotta know who ate the iridium

[calm nebula]

Like for pen nibs

[next plaza]

I mean we use lithium for some medication

It's not that out there

[calm nebula]

Anyways

I'm gonna go lick a battery

And go back to work.

[next plaza]

gets out the spray bottle

[autumn tide]

fair lol, but the mental image of someone seeing a metor fall and then being like.. 'what does it taste like?' is just fantastic

[next plaza]

(not the crab repellant one - that's exclusively for #programmers-off-topic )

[calm nebula]

Smh

Rust mentioned 🔥

[next plaza]

I'm like 90% certain that taste is in fact used in geology

[calm nebula]

We love rust in this house

[next plaza]

(once you're sure it's not poisonous)

[calm nebula]

-# I'm about to get banned right

[autumn tide]

makes sense but still-

[calm nebula]

Anyways

Enough off topic

[next plaza]

Banned, no.

Blocked? Maybe

[calm nebula]

You guys go make mods.

[next plaza]

not that I'd ever actually block atra

[calm nebula]

Ichor I expect a realistic metals mod from you by next Thursday

[autumn tide]

..anyways good luck with the stardew lore @urban patrol!!

I'd love to see your ideas :)

[urban patrol]

thanks! i’m writing a quest/event involving the ghost of the founder’s wife. i gotta figure out what her unfinished business would be

[autumn tide]

ooh that's so cool!

hmm, it'd be cool to have the town have some ancient and/or magical roots

[rustic imp]

hello I'm back in the learning mines, I successfully created my first manifest and content JSONs

[autumn tide]

Congrats!!!

[rustic imp]

thanks

[autumn tide]

is there a way to control an NPC's speed for their schedule?

[rustic imp]

question though, about update keys, it's telling me to make one before uploading it to Nexus, but don't you need to upload to nexus TO get a update key?

[calm nebula]

No

[quick sand]

when youre at the upload file page you can copy the code from the url

[rustic imp]

ooh, so you just make something up then?

[quick sand]

I leave it blank until im at that point.

when im at the upload file part i add it to the manifest then compress the file and upload

"UpdateKeys": [],

[rustic imp]

ok, thanks

I'll do that later then

[urban patrol]

i highly recommend double and triple checking your update key format (we’re happy to be another pair of eyes) before you publish your mod to nexus! source: i definitely screwed up my update key 😔

[quick sand]

"UpdateKeys": [ "Nexus:38180" ], ive just been doing this and hoping for the best

think i copied from another mod

[urban patrol]

yep that looks right to me

i accidentally did UpdateKeys: 31888

which was never gonna work

[quick sand]

ooooohh..

i honestly get very paranoid when im updating because i always forget things like updating the update key

[autumn tide]

hmm, is there a way to have trigger actions play as part of the schedule

[urban patrol]

what action?

[autumn tide]

i was thinking BETAS actions like shakeNpc

I wanna have a krobus schedule where they're visually nervous while out of the sewers

[urban patrol]

BETAS has trigger https://stardew.button.gay/docs/betas/triggers#NpcArrived

i don’t think they could shake while walking but they could while standing there

[autumn tide]

hmm okay!

also, do you know if there's any way to control NPC speed?

[urban patrol]

not that i know of

[autumn tide]

gotcha

[urban patrol]

if you need an NPC to take a shortcut you could warp them

[quick sand]

console commands has a "hurry" debug command.. not sure if you could use it somehow

Warps specified character to the endpoint of their current schedule entry. Name is a fuzzy match.

[urban patrol]

i don’t think debug commands are accessible like that

[quick sand]

oops

[autumn tide]

hmm, thanks for trying tho!

[shut edge]

https://i.imgur.com/VdPmYC4.png

no comment, only download

guess that means it isn't broken!

[soft lance]

Helllooo

I have an entry for a Marlin fish I got

[autumn tide]

guysss guess who got the mod author role!!

[soft lance]

most ponds work, but oddly my pond lets me do 5 fish without any quests? (adding stuff to the pond)

[quick sand]

got mine 2 days ago. feels great

[soft lance]

So oddly, I am unsure the issue, they seem like accurate additions, it shouldnt just skip every step and let you put in max fish

[tiny zealot]

claude is cheeto!

[autumn tide]

oh i mean on the discord lol, still don't have enough downloads

[soft lance]

I'm a verified author on Nexus, but not enough yapping on discord :why

[tiny zealot]

i mean... that's why, innit

[trim sand]

Yap harder I guess

[autumn tide]

you don't have the ✨chronically online and desperately lonely✨ like me

[brittle pasture]

Remove the MaxPopulations line

[soft lance]

Do you think that's the issue? I do want a max, I don't want 10 of the same fish

For balancing reasons

[quick sand]

populationgates field?>

[soft lance]

its supposed to be:

2 Fish, now you get quest
3 fish, quest
4 fish, quest
5 fish max, no quest any further

[brittle pasture]

hmm yeah I don't think it's possible with vanilla data

[soft lance]

then whats the MaxPopulation for

Is it just skipping all your quests instead?

Kinda strange..

[soft lance]

Hmm, I see, will keep in mind then

[brittle pasture]

yeah that's how the code works, Iunno why
this sounds like a good 1.6.16 feature request

[soft lance]

it does 😭

[shut edge]

fancy fishpond

[autumn tide]

there's a thread for that here if you want!

[soft lance]

fishpond fancy (i gotta yap for cheeto role)

[soft lance]

too busy irl to do anything like that, but I apprecaite it!

[autumn tide]

oh, it's literally just asking pathos if they'd consider adding it lol

[soft lance]

oh

sure lol

[tiny zealot]

talking is how you get exp but don't spam. won't work, mods will bonk

[soft lance]

oh yeah lol I know, its just chatting to get it up lol

[soft lance]

Where do I ask? Is this a thread inside the chat

or is it somewhere else, I never use threads lol

[autumn tide]

...ugh wifis not working if i don't respond that's why

[soft lance]

oki

[autumn tide]

yup! it was the right thread!

[soft lance]

nicee

ty

[autumn tide]

ofc :)

heh it's so weird being cheeto-colored

ooh and now i can make a dedicated thread for my lil dwarbus mod
-# (yes that is their ship name 😭 )

[tiny zealot]

the virgin dwarbus versus the chad krorf /j

[autumn tide]

KRORF

KRORF

that name-

i prefer dwarbus it's very stupid and it suits them

[soft lance]

truee

[autumn tide]

we need more platonic ships here

[soft lance]

@autumn tide not sure if im the only one, but have u ever had it to where if u knew there was a minor issue in ur mod or project you just have to fix it ASAP and worry about it 😅 im that type

i found a tiny issue and asap fixing it even tho its tiny

[autumn tide]

yes 💔

somehow the .zip file didn't zip right?

no clue, but i used a 3rd party and then it worked so

[shut edge]

tiny issues are the best ones cuz then i actually CAN fix them usually

[autumn tide]

i mean there's even pre-existing dwarbus stickers in here

look at themmmm

[soft lance]

On Windows, do:

Send To -> Compressed (zipped) folder

[autumn tide]

heh love the stickers and emojis here-

[soft lance]

I have WinRAR, so it likes priority, I just did that instead since the site is very funny about zips made by another other than the Windows default

[autumn tide]

i have mac 💔

[soft lance]

Ah. A mac user. Hmm. Mac suc- im kidding, not a fan of it, but it's got some nice interface! For Mac..to zip a file, well, sadly dont know 💔

It's been 8 years since I touched a Mac, was for someone's cookie clicker not working

Was paid in a coke

[autumn tide]

there is a built in zip thingy but it apparently didn't work for some ppl 🤷

if you're tryna yap to get your level up check out the town sqaure

[soft lance]

hmm..odd, yeah online convertor is fine for now, but im sure there is another way

and no I wasnt trying to yap 😭

was just saying in general never used Mac, out of any OS i got no experience with it sadly

[autumn tide]

gotcha lol

[soft lance]

if this topic is too non-mod related then where do I speak? Dont want to fill up this chat and annoy people by accident haha

[autumn tide]

hmmm there are tons lol, and off-topic shit lives here too

earlier there a huge dragons > platypus > general bio debate lol

[uncut viper]

(i wouldn't imply being off topic is allowed here though. it happens sometimes by accident, but it's not strictly allowed)

[tiny zealot]

off-topic isn't supposed to live here, but we all get distracted /lh

#programmers-off-topic is the dedicated off-topic channel for computer people nonsense

[soft lance]

tyy

[narrow owl]

wherehaps may i findeth the item id list for SVE

[autumn tide]

one sec

https://mateusaquino.github.io/stardewids/ https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Items

always have these open lol

[uneven spindle]

do those contain the SVE items too?

[autumn tide]

nope

sorry misread 😬

[uneven spindle]

you can use the list_items command in the smapi console and filter by the mod id

[narrow owl]

for stardew valley expanded*

[narrow owl]

ohk

[autumn tide]

sorry!

[narrow owl]

how do I do this? Ive never used console commands

[narrow owl]

dw ty

[uncut viper]

that only works if the items actually have the mod id in their ID

[narrow owl]

im pretty sure the sve ones do

idk but idk

[uneven spindle]

when you run smapi it'll open a cmd on the background, just type list_items and it will output all item ids

[narrow owl]

k

how do i filter

[uneven spindle]

paste it in your text editor of choice and ctrl+f by sve mod id

i believe they do have an specific id, let me check

[tiny zealot]

list_items can also filter for you if you give it an argument

[uneven spindle]

didn't know that! here's the command list_items FlashShifter.StardewValleyExpandedCP

[ornate trellis]

guys I need your help again with my spouse stuff fdshfbsf it keeps telling me this and by now I am too confused where I went wrong

[Content Patcher] Error loading patch '(CP) The Fishmonger - Whispers of the Ocean's Heart > Includes (from Data/MarriageDialogue/MarriageDialogueBarnabas)': file 'Data\MarriageDialogue\MarriageDialogueBarnabas' doesn't exist..
[Content Patcher] Error loading patch '(CP) The Fishmonger - Whispers of the Ocean's Heart > Includes (from Data/MarriageDialogue/MarriageDialogueCaitriona)': file 'Data\MarriageDialogue\MarriageDialogueCaitriona' doesn't exist..

[urban patrol]

double check your filepath and filenames

it looks like you might be missing the file extension

[ornate trellis]

oh myx god you are right

i changed the include and loads names so often i did not notice its gone

[autumn tide]

glad you could fix it!

[urban patrol]

i make that mistake all the time lol

[narrow owl]

ty

[narrow owl]

it says this after i typed help cuz cmd didnt work

[ornate trellis]

they now speak their silly marriage dialogue yay

[narrow owl]

so idk how to get the item list

[royal stump]

you seem to have removed the Console Commands mod that comes with SMAPI, so you might need to reinstall to get that again

[uneven spindle]

think you may be missing the ConsoleCommands ?

[ornate trellis]

also, anyone around that knows a bit on how spacecore spawngroups work? cuz I keep trying to fix my thing but it doesnt work

I have this butn somehow it only lets one of the things work and I cant understand whats the issue based on whats written in the spacecore git

{
            "Action": "EditData",
            "Target": "Data/TriggerActions",
            "Entries": {
                "{{ModId}}_SpawnFerretFurForage": {
                    "Id": "{{ModId}}_SpawnFerretFurForage",
                    "Trigger": "DayStarted",
                    "MarkActionApplied": false,
                    "Actions": [
                        "spacechase0.SpaceCore_TriggerSpawnGroup {{ModId}}_FerretFurballSpawn {{ModId}}_Fishmonger_GI_Inside_LowerDeck 6,12,3,6/9,12,4,3/11,10,4,4"
                    ]
                }, }

[uneven spindle]

here, i had the output saved in the clipboard

[ornate trellis]

i also did this quite a while ago so idk why i did it the way i did because when looking at the git now i cant find where i got my example from :B

[uneven spindle]

i recommend you get the consoleComands in case you need it in the future tho

[narrow owl]

wait how do i do that? just reinstall smapi?

[narrow owl]

ty

[narrow owl]

also how do I get the ids where its in brackets like [152] for seaweed or so on

[urban patrol]

!itemids

[ocean sail]

Item IDs

https://mateusaquino.github.io/stardewids/

To use this command, type !itemids.

[narrow owl]

for stardew valley expanded

[urban patrol]

that’s what they just gave you

vanilla items are only numbers because it used to require an integer

but now string IDs are accepted and preferred

[narrow owl]

oh, so When i use them i have to put the entire thing in brackets?

[uncut viper]

there are no brackets in item ids.

[autumn tide]

gonna make a new thread for my mod :)))

claude's dwarbus overhaul shenanigans

[narrow owl]

so when i use them do I need to include the (o) right before them or just the id itselfg

[brittle pasture]

depends, most places accept either unqualified or qualified IDs (and infer unqualified IDs as being (O))

if it only accepts one or the other the wiki reference should make it clear

[narrow owl]

oh so like for example when im changing the category of dulse seaweed to -4

do i drop or keep the (o)

[brittle pasture]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Objects

[narrow owl]

and then also when I add them to fish pond code

[brittle pasture]

The key is the unqualified item ID.

drop the (O) in that case

for item queries (like pond drops) qualified is recommended

[rustic imp]

is there a way to quickly and easily go to the file path of where an action is targeting?

[narrow owl]

not to my knowledge

[brittle pasture]

wdym "go to file path"

[rustic imp]

Dang. I'm looking in the Caroline dateable mod to try and understand it but it's targeting a "Data/NPCDisposition" filepath that I can't find in data

[narrow owl]

the file where its targeting ig

[brittle pasture]

oh yeah that mod is outdated

[uncut viper]

the target doesnt always correspond to an actual file anyway

a target can be an entirely made up thing

and in 1.6+ onwards Data/NPCDispositions is not a real file

[rustic imp]

Ooh

[brittle pasture]

Data/NPCDisposition was how NPC data in 1.5 was handled

any mod caught using it in 1.6 is sent to jail converted to Data/Characters by CP

[rustic imp]

I actually just followed your JSON tutorial, it was pretty cool

[rustic imp]

gotcha, thanks

[finite ginkgo]

*(if specified format is lower than 2.0, otherwise straight to jail do not pass go do not collect)

[narrow owl]

(O)FlashShifter.StardewValleyExpandedCP_Dulse_Seaweed

[autumn tide]

uhh does anyone know if theres a formal name for those teleporty circle things in SDV? totally rhetorical question def not adding my own teleporty thing bc I totally know my own limits and am not over-ambitious

[quick sand]

warp points?

[next plaza]

Magic circles?

Like that's not a SDV thing

[autumn tide]

?

[next plaza]

But generally, that's what I think of with that sort of graphic

[gentle rose]

it's an sve thing iirc

[next plaza]

that = the term magic circle

[next plaza]

I can guarantee you the term existed pre-SVE (not to imply you meant it that way)

[autumn tide]

there's warp totems and obelisks, and the circle things in BG but the circle things don't have a name iirc?

[gentle rose]

no haha, the use of them in stardew to denote warp points

actually, they might be used on the way to the witch once or twice?

[autumn tide]

yup!

[next plaza]

Oh, yeah

[autumn tide]

wizard basement to witch hut, railroad to swamp

[gentle rose]

I call them warp runes in my head

[autumn tide]

oooh can i steal that?

[uncut viper]

you can steal iro's head yeah, im giving you permission

[autumn tide]

yayyy!

[quick sand]

teleportation rune

[next plaza]

RIP iro, you will be missed (but you confusing my brain with your coexistence with ichor will not be missed)

[gentle rose]

YOU can deal with it

[uncut viper]

well not me

claude

[gentle rose]

somebody who isn't me

[autumn tide]

eh, i'm already down 3/4 of a brain

[uncut viper]

if they replace their head with yours, are they you?

[gentle rose]

have fun figuring out a brain my gp once described as "well, when are things ever normal with you"

[autumn tide]

straight in with the existential quandaries

[autumn tide]

perfect match for my phyiscal ailments tbh

[gentle rose]

oh it's okay this covered both

[autumn tide]

double trouble

[worthy ermine]

you got the fancy mod maker role??!

[autumn tide]

hell yeah

[ornate trellis]

asking once more bout spacecore spawngroups 🙏 (otherwise I jsut gonna leave it as one little square only cuz idk anymore lol)

[autumn tide]

OH btw i made a thread for my mod, can i @ you there?

[worthy ermine]

for sure

[autumn tide]

sweet!

[next plaza]

Could you give more detail on the issue you're having

[ornate trellis]

since my map is tiny I made three squares where my item should spawn but it only spawns in one of them, not all three. I get the invalid tile message in smapi https://smapi.io/log/895be71d42e949f79247cdbf0d1c4b6d but all selected tiles in those squares I picked are on Back layer without anything on the buildings layer.

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.3.2 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.26100.0, with 62 C# mods and 20 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[quick sand]

what type of item is it?

[ornate trellis]

its a forageable

i do know it works partly since it does spawn them in one of the squares

[next plaza]

Just to be sure, there is nothing on those tiles on the Front or Buildings layers, right?

[ornate trellis]

ok just saw, like two tiles, after checking the map again have something on the building layer but otherwise theyre all empty

or would a back2 layer also cause issues? cuz the carpets edge is on it

also heres my whole spacecore json in case you wanna look at the spawn definitions or w/e too https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/07d2fbe01e5943958fe139122dba80fd

[next plaza]

Do any of those tiles have a "NoSpawn" property on the Back layer?

[ornate trellis]

no, they do in fact have no single property at all

[next plaza]

I guess another mod could be interfering too, in theory, since it checks the vanilla IsNoSpawnTile function

[ornate trellis]

hm, that would be a bit odd tho since I try to test with a minimal mod set up unless jsut having FTM for example enabled could make it wonky like that

[quick sand]

6,12,3,6/9,12,4,3/11,10,4,4 are the red squares these fields?

[ornate trellis]

its jsut odd since I'd think that the first square that has literally jsut the back layer would be the most likely to let them spawn but nope

theyre supposed to, yes

oops dropped the reply

[next plaza]

That's a good question, I'm not sure the first coordinate set is correct at least

[quick sand]

i think the square starts top left

so your x and y seem off

[ornate trellis]

as i admitted in my original message i did this quite a while back(like a few month) so im not fully sure this is even the proper way

[quick sand]

i think the first should be x6y7

[ornate trellis]

i tried to find the example i got it from on the git again but i am notoriously bad in navigating that site

[ornate trellis]

[quick sand]

yeah all your y coordinates are set to the bottom left of the box you want. change it to the top left and try

6,7,3,6/9,10,4,3/11,7,4,4

[next plaza]

Ah

That would do it

Stardew has a (0,0) in the top left corner, with positive Y going down

Unlike standard math

[ornate trellis]

oh my god

[quick sand]

shit cant get the width to 5

[next plaza]

(This isn't specifically stardew by the way, many 2d game engines are like that, too)

[ornate trellis]

why did I do it like that back then....my mineables are done right why didnt i re-check when doing those fdsgdf

i should really default to "its most likely the most stupid reason" and look there first

[quick sand]

in my experience.. the bigger my json, the more likely ive made a dumb mistake

get fatigue after a while

[ornate trellis]

im trying to cut myself some slack knowing that stuff like coding/scripting just isnt something my brain easily gets but after the 20th bracket/hundreds typo you sometimes still start to sideeye yourself 🙏 thanks for the help both of you

[autumn tide]

hellooo can anyone here pin messages? i wanna pin a message in my thread but I don't have permission to LOL

[uncut viper]

only junimos can pin messages.

[autumn tide]

shittt okay

thanks for telling me!

hm, should do the @ role thing? seems a bit overboard, i might ask bouncer lol

[uncut viper]

would absolutely not ping the junimo role

[autumn tide]

yeah, asking bouncer

..i think?

should i omg

[uncut viper]

most people just typically dont bother with a pin in their thread

[autumn tide]

social anxiety kicking in lol

[ornate trellis]

hell yeah

[quick sand]

nice

something about finally getting an animation to work makes you wanna animate everything

[ornate trellis]

mood

[patent lance]

New quote added by head_in_the_cl0uds as #6729 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/1435383750950125671)

[soft lance]

General question for anyone

Does Stardew Valley support custom fish spawn dates? I know we can do time, and season, but is there a way to limit a fish to being caught on 3 specific days of a month?

[brittle pasture]

sure, use the Condition field + game state queries

[[Modding:Game_state_queries]]

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Game_state_queries

[soft lance]

Will look into this, thanks! ❤️

[quick sand]

where are fish sprites?

its not aquariumfish is it?

[autumn tide]

spring objects :)

well, both ig

[quick sand]

of course

[autumn tide]

in maps

[dusk terrace]

I just learned about CP's advanced API, do I understand correctly that if I were to make a token called say, Speaker that updates context when a dialogue is opened, all patches that use that token (and no other patch) gets updated immediately?

[autumn tide]

HUH

[quick sand]

i hate spring objects and cursors.

[uncut viper]

no

[autumn tide]

omg please @ me if you get an answer

...oh.

[dusk terrace]

Aw

Then how does it work?

[uncut viper]

your token does not cause context updates

the UpdateContext method is how you tell Content Patcher whether your token value has changed since the last context update

[quick sand]

tokens fill in information with other information that may be dynamic

[uncut viper]

you have zero control over when tokens update

or when patches update, rather

[dusk terrace]

Ahhh I see... Well thats unfortunate

Would've been perfect for my use case

[quick sand]

what are you trying to do?

[uncut viper]

for instance a PlayerHealth token would cache the value of the players health and in its UpdateContext function it'd check the players health again, and if its different, cache the new value and return true

that way, Content Patcher knows that the PlayerHealth's cached value changes and knows it should update patches that use it when its time to, according to their update rates

if the health had not changed though, you just return false and then content patcher knows that it doesnt need to do that or bother

the value that your token returns should never change or be updated outside of the UpdateContext function

[elder kite]

So someone reported this compatability bug with my mod, Terrane, and VPR (vibrant pastoral recolor)

I managed to find the area thats causing the issue but I'm a bit confused:

• in vanilla the area in question has ground textures
• therefore i recolored that area of ground in my mod
• in VPR, the area in question is blank (i made it red in the image to tell the difference)

So basically the fix is removing that area when VPR is installed? Is that area even used in vanilla? Does VPR make map edits that make that area not mapped anymore? Any suggestions/guidance would be very helpful!

There is another such area on a part of <season>Tilesheet2, the above screenshots are <season>Tilesheet

Hope this all makes sense 😅

[quick sand]

idk... maybe you could look at their files and see what theyve done? i think youre on track with conditionally removing it when that mod is installed

[quick sand]

anyone know the sprite size for the aquariumfish file?

nvm 24x24 apparently

[gentle rose]

vpr made a vanilla tile transparent/blank?

[ornate locust]

That's... odd? I'm pretty sure VPR is set up to overlay on vanilla tiles

so it may be blank on the image, but it's supposed to slap itself over the original image. It just means there's no change to the parts that are blank

checking to make sure

hm... it's a mix of overlay and replace.

Outdoors Tilesheet seems to overlay while 2 replaces

[narrow owl]

im editing produced items and im making a fish pond for dulse seaweed from sve when im doing the Id and item id (as shown in image) do I do (O)FlashShifter.StardewValleyExpandedCP_Dulse_Seaweed or FlashShifter.StardewValleyExpandedCP_Dulse_Seaweed or something else?

[urban patrol]

check the wiki to see if that field takes a qualified or unqualified item ID

[narrow owl]

k ty

[brittle pasture]

item queries can accept both
qualified IDs are recommended

[narrow owl]

i dunno what this means

it dont mention qualified

[uncut viper]

and the Id field is meaningless except for differentiating between entries in that same list

[narrow owl]

oh

[uncut viper]

you need to click on the common fields section

[brittle pasture]

click the "Common spawn fields"

item query is a common structure that many part of the game uses to spawn items

[narrow owl]

item spawn fields?

[narrow owl]

k

[brittle pasture]

oh yea item spawn fields lol

[narrow owl]

ty

qualified is with the o right?

[uncut viper]

tbc the set of fields is a generic spawn item, but item query is a separate thing

an item query can be used in the ItemId field of a generic spawn item

[silk basalt]

pondering just having there be a hole in the cliffside of the backwoods so i don't have to alter that map,,, i figured i'd put the character's house back there since it's not as "active" in vanilla, but i can't read the path tiles

[uncut viper]

its not as active because NPCs cannot walk through the backwoods

[silk basalt]

ahh, so i can't have the entrance to their house back there?

sorry if that's a dumb question

[tight rivet]

lol

[uncut viper]

you can, they just wont be able to exit their house or enter it

not unless there is a different warp inside the house or in a different map to skip over the backwoods entirely

[silk basalt]

ahhh okay

where do you think a good spot would be then?

[uncut viper]

there is no answer to this because everywhere you can possibly think of is already taken

[silk basalt]

i was thinking maybe from the side of the bus stop, but i don't wanna mess with rsv

[uncut viper]

so put it wherever you'd like

[ornate locust]

A loooot of stuff messes with the bus stop too

[urban patrol]

central station won't conflict with anything, but if you don't want to use it then yeah just pick wherever you want

[ornate locust]

There's some spots that are better than others, bus stop is one of the messier ones. but yeah "place that is not taken" basically doesn't exist in a way you can find

[tight rivet]

but I would recommend Central Station because it exists largely to remove this problem

[uncut viper]

i wouldnt say that was the primary motivation for CS. something like Pelican Valley Loft does, though

[tight rivet]

alternatively, I guess you could patch the map dependent on the installed mods, but that way is madness

[lucid iron]

You can always make your warp patch optional when central station exists

[ornate locust]

and even if you follow that path of madness, you will run into a mod that you just can't patch because some random mod that edits half the town puts a giant stall right where your building is

[lucid iron]

Or have it optionally extend from a popular expansion's map when available

[ornate locust]

if that sounds oddly specific and like it probably happened to me, it did :V

[lucid iron]

Anything to avoid locking yourself into patching vanilla and hoping no one else had the same idea

[tight rivet]

(this is why I did not want to do map working stuff.)

[ornate locust]

Me, happy thinking I have avoided all compatibility problems:
me getting a request for compat with a Chinese NSFW(?) mod that apparently does SVE-level map changes:

[tight rivet]

Ah, I see you too have seen the horros of..

chinese nsfw mods

which.. are major expansions in places. >_>

[hard fern]

Ugh... Pro tip number 1 don't try and brainstorm mod ideas while getting carsick

[silk basalt]

how do i get the images to set as tilesets in tiled? i got them to load in just fine, but actually... using them is. not happening

[hard fern]

I cross my fingers and hope nobody had the same idea as me

[lucid iron]

Forsy you cannot defeat the monkey on typewriter

[ornate locust]

Are there more of these I'm gonna have to worry about being asked about? LOL

[hard fern]

What's your mod again?

[hard fern]

😔

Alas

Perchance

[lucid iron]

Seven deadly sins is a particularly cursed one tbh

[ornate locust]

Pelican Town Municipal, hopefully full releasing next month

[uncut viper]

can you elaborate on what you did to load them in?

[lucid iron]

The audacity of slapping a hueg church on town

[ornate locust]

And yeah that's the one that puts the WORLD'S BIGGEST STALL right where my building is. The stall is absolutely enormous to the point that I couldn't even shove it to the front , it dwarfs an entire two story

[tight rivet]

I doubt it. I mostly ran across them trying to find mail mods

[ornate locust]

Pretty, but ENORMOUS

[hard fern]

It was magic

[hard fern]

Oh, the one with the bunny?

[ornate locust]

That's the one

like I fought Haley's Bakery not loading tilesheets to get compatibility for a request, I couldn't figure out what to do with that giant bunny stall

[hard fern]

To be fair i think multiple mods like patching that area

[silk basalt]

i just entered the tilesheet for the furniture, for example, and instead of putting them in in the form they were in on the stardew maps, it just put them in as one big image

[ornate locust]

It's actually not too bad

Most of the patching I had to do is around it since I cut out part of the cliff

And SVE's Pierre's garden is mostly there so stuff has seemed to want to stay away from it, where I'm willing to shrink the garden

mostly festival patches and Haley's Bakery have been a thing for that spot

[uncut viper]

thats how tilesheets work, they are all placed in one sheet. however, if you mean TileSheets/furniture.png, you cannot use that in maps without an external dependency. by default, all tilesheets must come from the Maps folder. itd probably be easiest if you made a copy of a vanilla map with the sheets you wanted and edited that one, since it'd already have the sheets loaded

[silk basalt]

OHHHH okay i was wondering if i'd need to do that, thank you

[calm nebula]

@lucid iron what say you about an edit tilesheets metadata....

[lucid iron]

nou

[hard fern]

Ugh i already moved my map patch bc apparently another npc mod slaps a house in that area

[uncut viper]

what does "an edit tilesheets metadata" mean

[hard fern]

I just want people to forget backwoods even exists 😌

[lucid iron]

button u know how u can put tile data on the tilesheet

[uncut viper]

news to me

[lucid iron]

thats how ppl make diggable farm grass happen usually

[ornate locust]

Mod idea: make a new Backwoods map that is used instead of the current one. Direct all vanilla backwoods content to there

[uncut viper]

ive never made a map

[lucid iron]

by putting diggable on the grass tiles they use not slapping tile data everywhere

the pein is that this kind of tile data is not editable via content patcher in any way u can only do it inside the tmx

[uncut viper]

that wouldnt solve the pathfinding issue because you would still need the tunnel underneath it

[ornate locust]

Oh the tunnel's the problem, huh

[uncut viper]

the problem, as i understand it, is that you cannot reach every exit from every entry

[lucid iron]

now i have no idea why atra ping me about this cus i dont really see what that has to do with the current problem at all

it was something i thought of when they were discuss labeling tiles for stardew access

[uncut viper]

im not even sure what the benefit of doing that metadata in CP would even be and not in the map itself?

[ornate locust]

hmmm maybe split them into two maps and turn the shortcut into a ladder you click. One map is just the lower part with the tunnel, one is just the higher part. The ladder teleports you from one to the other

[lucid iron]

i wanted to make a way that would apply to all maps which use a tilesheet like say towninterior

so u only gotta label a tile as "rug" one time

[uncut viper]

that sounds like a bad idea to me

what if i dont want it to be a rug in my map?

[lucid iron]

there r an immense amount of implications yes

[ornate locust]

That's kinda how chair tiles work

[lucid iron]

which is why im not gonna do it

[calm nebula]

Nothing to do with the current problem

[lucid iron]

i was imagine this more as a thing stardew access might do

[hard fern]

What if i want the rug to be a bug

[lucid iron]

given it's specific role of "label stuff so screen reader can give useful info"

[calm nebula]

I wasn't thinking of it as a per-tilesheet thing. But just a way to edit tilesheet metadata for a map

[uncut viper]

it makes sense for somethinglike stardew access

[calm nebula]

Because the other is a ducking can of worms

[uncut viper]

but compatibility with custom tilesheets seems a nightmare

[silk basalt]

is there any reason to not have the house start be at the very bottom of the map?

[lucid iron]

yea but doing it like this means say

if i was using lumi tiles

lumi can go label tiles as part of tilesheet mod one time

[hard fern]

Wdym by that

[lucid iron]

rather than depend on every map maker to label things

[silk basalt]

like, i'm using the regular farmhouse map for a base, and i was wondering since i was just gonna redraw it myself if it mattered where the warp point was

like, should i keep it in the middle kinda like it is on the farmhouse map? or can i move it to the bottom to give myself more room above?

[calm nebula]

Isn't that wat tsx for

[silk basalt]

i figured it's fine, but since this is my first attempt i wasn't sure if it'd break something or not

[hard fern]

Uhh... Im not sure of any technical reasons, but for design reasons, it would be weird to walk into a house and enter from the top of the map

When the entrance is at the bottom

[silk basalt]

oh no i mean like... when i loaded in the farmhouse map, the map is situated kind of in the middle of the canvas, right?

i was wondering if there was an issue in like, bumping it down a few rows, so the door tiles are at the bottom

[uncut viper]

thatd require every mod user using lumi's sheets to copy the .tsx file into their mod and use it, which would also mean it couldnt be updated automaticallyt when lumi updates

[silk basalt]

sorry, sometimes i'm bad at articulating

if i'd need to just follow the farmhouse positioning on the canvas that's fine, i just wanted to make sure i was like. doing it right. aksldfj

[uncut viper]

el, you are the one that decides where every warp entry and exit is

[silk basalt]

oh! okay

so there's no technical reason for it

[uncut viper]

the game has no idea what the pictures on the screen on the individual tiles are, for the most part

it just knows that the entry point is set to certain coordinates

or that the warp from the previous map said to go to specific coordinates

[silk basalt]

i was kinda concerned that if you put the map too far down it'd, look weird in-game, but i guess if you have void tiles around the walls it's fine yeah?

and if i control the warp points then it's not an issue either

[uncut viper]

the game just draws black where there are no tiles

[silk basalt]

thank you!! sorry if that was a dumb question

[uncut viper]

the player has no indication of where they are, coordinates wise, unless they have a mod that tells them

[lucid iron]

tsx doesn't go into the content pipeline yea

having it go through content could be a solution here too but Implications™

[calm nebula]

Yeahhhh

That's the thought

No idea if tmxtile handles that

[next plaza]

At the moment I think it looks for a tsx next to the tmx it loads

For any external tilesheets in the map file

[lucid iron]

does tmxtile have a tsx type to load into

or is it already tbin by that point

[next plaza]

Dunno, but you'd probably need to fight SMAPI about it

At the very least, to make tmxtile check the content pipeline before it tries for a local one

(That might just be harmony patching tmxtile I guess)

And perhaps some cooperation with ichor's iro's tiled plugin 😛

[lucid iron]

or i do nothing cus ppl r used to the status quo

[calm nebula]

Smh

You're becoming resistor to the nerdsnipe

[next plaza]

Hmm. Maybe we need something stronger

@lucid iron skill tree support to trinket framework when

And to clarify, I mean the trinket maker gets to define their own skill trees

[calm nebula]

What's a skill tree

[drowsy pewter]

[calm nebula]

Coffeeeeee

I want more coffeeeeeee

[drowsy pewter]

meeee

[next plaza]

gaming stuff

[calm nebula]

Got it

[lucid iron]

i mean i actually do support levels

it was a mistake for me to make it a list but too late now

[calm nebula]

None of atra's beeswax

[lucid iron]

nothing stop you from skipping levels to make branches though

[next plaza]

Hmmmmmmmm

[lucid iron]

cus the number is just a concept n u can go 1 -> 2 or 1 -> 3 via machine

[next plaza]

ponders something even stronger

[lucid iron]

just ban it from the anvil

[calm nebula]

Stronger than numbers

What is stronger than numbers

[lucid iron]

idm making support for string id if that helps

[next plaza]

OH

How about make it where the author can define a list of items to customize each variant

Like to put little hat overlays on them

What if I want to give my parrot a witch hat?

[lucid iron]

ah yes draw layers

[calm nebula]

Anyeays

Casey how is the third dimension

[next plaza]

(Anything else I could think of is half-covered by the trigger action stuff I mentioned in alpha thread recently, and the other half covered by the mod crimes I intend to do with that)

[next plaza]

Not much programming energy during the week 😔

[lucid iron]

ill have to think about how n where ppl might define the layers

[next plaza]

A little bit today, but I'm still distractible

[calm nebula]

Yay!

[lucid iron]

but i guess it's not going to be a purely dynamic thing right

[next plaza]

(...should I take a poke at said crimes?...)

[calm nebula]

Hey I have zero programming energy during the week

[lucid iron]

you (content maker) would draw the witch hat layer for the parrot

[calm nebula]

And the week is thr whole week

[next plaza]

Yeah, I was thinking the author would define the layers, and how to enable them

[calm nebula]

Atra->gym

[next plaza]

So they could say "combine with this item to make it wear this hat"

Which would turn on the layer

[lucid iron]

i shall get back to u on the weekend

[next plaza]

Are you implying you'll try to pick my brain on it

Because I guarantee you this is being ejected from my brain within the next hour

[lucid iron]

no im gonna make it and show u docs

[next plaza]

Ah

[lucid iron]

but i think its fun

so ill do it

[lucid mulch]

the tmxtile deserialization when it sees the external field is what fetches the tsx and reads it

[calm nebula]

brownies?

[calm nebula]

....what

[next plaza]

(this is tempting but I have to think of some logistical/usability stuff first)

[next plaza]

what

[calm nebula]

Crimes are good

[lucid mulch]

thats also why the tsx file not being adjacent causes explosions in xml deserialization as the filenotfound bubbles

[calm nebula]

That's...interesting

[calm nebula]

So far no one has shipped me brownies

[next plaza]

What does brownies have to do these things

Ah

I thought jessie was gonna

[calm nebula]

Go have fun with your crimes

[next plaza]

smh

[next plaza]

But that requires thinking 😔

[calm nebula]

I'm going to the gym

Would that be better

[tight rivet]

"%action AddItem (O)201 1 2 %%%action AddItem (O)205 1 2 %%%action AddItem (O)199 1 2 %%[letterBG Mods/{{ModId}}/backgroundM.png][#]{{ModId}}.MyoldfriendsM13.title" y-ay. auto converters.

[next plaza]

That looks painful