making-mods-general

[ornate locust]

patch export, that's the command I was trying to think of. Thanks

[tribal grail]

Thanks! I knew I was missing something.

[frosty gate]

You can ping/dm me, Kat is kind of busy with other projects, but if I don't respond then sure, you can ping her.

Yes! An option to have bigger portraits would very much be helpful. Right now the mod doesn't describe the portraits but when/if it does, we can add that as well.

And thank you for considering!

[ornate locust]

Oh may have spotted it

heckin typo

[gentle rose]

oh, image descriptions! I should have thought of that. I’ll definitely add some default ones (e.g. “Penny happy portrait”) and a field for portrait makers to add their own descriptions

[uncut viper]

someone isnt WCAG-focused enough /lh

[gentle rose]

SDVCAG

[frosty gate]

I just thought of that as well lol.

[gentle rose]

I’ll ping you closer to a beta being ready so we can figure out the best way to integrate that (from the wiki I’m guessing it will be via PrimaryInfoKey)

[ornate locust]

alright, it's a compatibility thing. How would I make sure my spot wins if another mod moves him around?

[urban patrol]

either patch priority late or false dependency on that mod

[gentle rose]

you can’t, because consider:

what if another mod author wants to do that too

[urban patrol]

oh yeah that's only if it's a specific mod

[ornate locust]

then I'll duel them on a bridge

[gentle rose]

100% ensuring your mod wins isn’t possible because other mods would have to be able to do that too

[gentle rose]

I believe the closest you can get to a bridge duel is a late patch priority

[ornate locust]

Unfortunately I did that and it didn't work. Well, guess that's adding to the "don't do this" instructions...

Don't know what Unique Winter Star is doing, but it really glues him to that one spot

[urban patrol]

they might be doing some extreme thing like late+10

[ornate locust]

They aren't actually doing anything that I can see

it's a normal append with no priority

[worn spear]

Ah I finally sat down and just made a dialog formatter to make my life semi easier on python 🥲 only took almost a year

[urban patrol]

isn't agentlyoko in here? you could ping them and ask what's up

[worn spear]

Almost a year for a simple for loop 🥲

[latent mauve]

Per question 2, would this ultimately be Loading an empy JSON file to a specific namespace that your mod would then read? So mod-authors could then do an EditData to add their own entries into that specific JSON (which also protects them from accidentally overwriting entries from other mods in the process)?

[ornate locust]

I got a workaround working right, now Ras can show up and be distant at the Winter Star and then get closer when he starts dating the local lawman

success

[quick sand]

guys am i crazy? for weapons the type field does nothing. the actual type is set by the size of the sprite?

[livid kite]

If I set these conditions for my event,

            "LogName": "Reyla's Intro Event - If you haven't met her yet",
            "Action": "EditData",
            "Target": "Data/Events/EastScarp_Village",
            "Entries": {
                "RaffieJohn_ReylaIntro_NotMet/!GameStateQuery PLAYER_HAS_MET Reyla/!SawEvent RaffieJohn_ReylaIntro_Met/Time 600 1800": "{EVENT CODE}"
},```
```        {
            "LogName": "Reyla's Intro Event - If you HAVE met her once",
            "Action": "EditData",
            "Target": "Data/Events/EastScarp_Village",
            "Entries": {
                "RaffieJohn_ReylaIntro_Met/GameStateQuery PLAYER_HAS_MET Reyla/!SawEvent RaffieJohn_ReylaIntro_NotMet/Time 600 1800": "{EVENT CODE}"},```

The farmer won't see this event twice? Trying to have her intro event change a bit depending if you talked to her before going to ES or not.

[urban patrol]

i believe all the weapon sprites are 16x16

[quick sand]

oops i accidentaly had type field twice so it was being overwritten i guess

[fervent horizon]

Is there a sleeping bag in the vanilla tilesets?

[obtuse wigeon]

I think the one in Linus' tent? but it may not have a transparent background

[fervent horizon]

yeah, I literally just found it

I can make it work though

[narrow owl]

I think so too

[oblique meadow]

Oh I actually know this one. They are. And the hilt is always in the lower left corner

[narrow owl]

releastically do you need json assets cause don't content patcher literally just do most things

[shut edge]

At this point you basically need to not have JA

[hallow prism]

(depending of what you want to have, just using dialogue query may be enough!)

(if it's easier for you of course)

[brittle pasture]

not really no, it's mostly deprecated in 1.6

it was useful back when you can't use string ids

[fervent horizon]

what file holds the foods, like cheese

tilesheet

[livid kite]

this query?

hmmmm, I didn't think of that

[brittle pasture]

maps/springobjects

if it's an object it's in there

[quick sand]

What is the best way to make an animated custom weapon texture? im looking at using spacecore textureoverride but i also saw some mods used content patcher animations

[uncut viper]

CP-A is also deprecated i believe in favour of spacecore's textureoverride

CP-A hasnt even updated in 3 years

(i know it supposedly works, but that should tell you a lot about its life support status)

[quick sand]

that really narrows it down then

[quick sand]

SourceSizeOverride - A Vector2 size. If specified, the sprite size to use for frames in SourceTexture (normally the size is the same as the size in TargetRect). This allows you to fit a larger image in place of a smaller vanilla image. (For example, fitting a 256x256 portrait into the default 64x64 spaces.)

whats a Vector2 size?

[uncut viper]

a Vector2 is just a pair of numbers

typically used for things like size or location, for things like X,Y or Width, Height

dont know what form spacecore expects it written down in. never used this part of spacecore

[quick sand]

that makes sense. thanks

[hallow prism]

yes!

[dire nest]

Hey 👋 Is it possible to check the config of another mod using CP?

For example, I want to check the state of "Enable Vanilla Recipe Changes" in Cornucopia Artisan Machines.

[brittle pasture]

with this mod you can: https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/28284

[lucid iron]

I think cornucopia has mailflags actually

You can use those instead if it suits your needs

[uncut viper]

unless something has changed since last i checked (admittedly a decent while ago) they are removed overnight however to aid uninstallation

so some things cannot rely on them

[lucid iron]

Yeah but i think a typical cp patch using HasFlag can use em fine

Cus the DayStarted trigger actions happen first right

[uncut viper]

DayStarted (SMAPI) or DayStarted (vanilla)

[lucid iron]

The claim is, If DayStarted vanilla trigger is when cornucopia does all the AddMail (i don't have it open to check), Then a content patcher patch with When HasFlag should work as expected and apply/not apply according to flag

[uncut viper]

yeah, probably. just wanted to mention it so its not used for things like game state queries as the raw flag for things that happen overnight

like animal produce

[lucid iron]

Yeah pein

[uncut viper]

or schedules(?)

i think schedules too yes

(talking about the MAIL schedule key, not a conditional patch)

[drowsy pewter]

they are not removed overnight anymore because of issues

[uncut viper]

oh, well then ignore me (and i apologize for) spreading misinformation

[drowsy pewter]

yes this is what i suggested to towk, but I have no idea how it works on the c# mod end. can someone help explain it to them? Just another data file a CP mod can write to, like what custom bush or spacecore does for assets

[drowsy pewter]

but its true that i dont mailflag every single config option because a lot are not relevant

[latent mauve]

I only understand that from the CP side, so I can't be of much help, but I was hoping I understood the intended result, at least!

[drowsy pewter]

like why do you need to check for enable vanilla recipe changes for example?

[uncut viper]

https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Making_Framework_Mods#Custom_assets

if you do this then Content Patcher mods can target your asset to edit it

(relevant to @frosty gate, i suppose itd probably help to direct them to it and not you lol)

[autumn tide]

hmmmm what's the command to get the CP github thing?

found the link! dunno if there's a command tho?

hmm, do you have to add CreateOnLoad for custom locations only used during events?

[dire nest]

"Enable Vanilla Recipe Changes" was just an quick example. I actually need this two options (and maybe more?)

{
    "Action": "EditData",
    "Target": "Data/Machines",
    "TargetField": [
        "(BC)12",
        "OutputRules"
    ],
    "When": {
        "Enable Vegetable Wine": true,
        "Enable Juicer": true
    },
    "MoveEntries": [
        {
            "Id": "Default_Wine",
            "BeforeId": "Default_Juice"
        }
    ]
}

I need this because someone asked me to make my mod Uppergrade compatible with Cornucopia - Artisan Machines.
The best way would be if you made your mod compatible with mine, but since that wasn’t an option on your side, it’s on me now.
I don’t mean this in a “judgy” way — it’s your decision, and I respect that 🙂
But now I need this information to make it really compatible with Cornucopia - Artisan Machines.

[silk basalt]

hi um, sorry if this is a stupid question, but are there any, like, simple text guides on how to get started making a custom character mod? i have some ideas i'd like to try but i'd really prefer a text guide instead of a video, if at all possible. sorry for the trouble!

[urban patrol]

yes, otherwise the location doesn't exist

[uncut viper]

!npc

[ocean sail]

Creating a Custom NPC

Keep in mind that making NPCs is a complex process that requires learning many different aspects of Stardew modding.
Here are a few links that can help get you started on all that you need to know:

• Tiakall has a great tutorial on making a custom NPC for 1.6.

• NPCs no longer use dispositions, check the wiki page for the new NPC data.

• Feel free to jump into the https://discord.com/channels/137344473976799233/1277457201077813280 thread for more interactive feedback and help!

• Fireredlily has a WIP NPC Builder Please do report any errors you get with it into the NPC thread!

To use this command, type !npc.

[silk basalt]

OH thank you!

sorry just got here, i don't know all the commands yet

[urban patrol]

that's only if you're using changeLocation (or whatever the command is) though. if you're using changeToTemporaryMap then no you don't need an entry in data/locations

[uncut viper]

(as an aside, basically the only up to date info for modding SDV is all text guides, very few if any videos past 1.6)

[silk basalt]

oh awesome thank you!!

[vernal crest]

Wow, someone asking for text instead of video!

My people!

[uncut viper]

nothing to apologize for! i was just posting it to show you it, the guide linked in the first bullet point is top notch

[silk basalt]

i really appreciate it! 💖

i've been wanting to try it out for a long time, but video guides get very intimidating for me alksjdf thank you!!

[vernal crest]

I've been here over a year and don't know what most of the commands are. We have a lot of commands haha

[calm nebula]

!help

[ocean sail]

please get me off discord

To use this command, type !help.

[calm nebula]

There are a lot of commands

[vernal crest]

Ok then shoo atra :P

[calm nebula]

!stopmodding

[ocean sail]

wat

To use this command, type !stopmodding.

[silk basalt]

[autumn tide]

heheh

[silk basalt]

!pixelart

[ocean sail]

Where to Start With SDV-Style Pixel Art
If you've never done pixel art before, don't stress! It's easy to pick up the basics - the key is to start small, ask for feedback, and incorporate that into your work.

To start, you'll want an art program. See a list of recommended programs in the !software command.

Here's some good beginner tutorials!
http://pixeljoint.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11299&PID=139322
https://medium.com/pixel-grimoire/how-to-start-making-pixel-art-2d1e31a5ceab

To start off, try opening an existing portrait and changing the outfit. Start small: edit a shirt pattern, change a jacket collar, or remove a scarf and draw the clothes underneath. Ask for feedback too! The best way to improve is learning how to identify what's wrong and why, so then you can work out how to fix it.

Here's more good tips from the artist of "Celeste":
General pixel art 1: https://www.patreon.com/posts/pixel-art-1-6971422
General pixel art 2: https://www.patreon.com/posts/pixel-art-part-2-11225146
Outlines: https://www.patreon.com/posts/outlines-14106192
Shading: https://www.patreon.com/posts/shading-13869731
Portraits: https://www.patreon.com/posts/portraits-8693396

SDV has a few quirks to remember too:

• Colour limits: Limit the number of shades you use - stick to six including the outline.
• Hue shifts: Rather than making shadows and highlights lighter or darker versions of the base tone, SDV shifts the hue too. Eg. a base orange will have yellow highlights and red shadows. This goes for skintones too!
• Light source: SDV uses a top-right & slightly forward light source - check the vanilla art for reference.
  Most importantly, don't hesitate to ask questions and get advice from people. Have fun!

To use this command, type !pixelart.

[silk basalt]

oooooo

[autumn tide]

there are SO many commands lol

!list

dammit

[brave fable]

not that one 🙂‍↕️

[autumn tide]

type /list lol

[vernal crest]

(We do ask that if you want to go crazy exploring them, please head to #governors-mansion for it ^_^)

[latent mauve]

Please use governor's mansion if you want to use commands for the sake of using commands xD

[vernal crest]

Same brain lily

[latent mauve]

Yep

[lucid mulch]

Just going to leave thiss here https://stardew.chat/commands.php

[drowsy pewter]

I see, I have a flag in content.json to check for if the juicer is enabled Cornucopia.ArtisanMachines_JuicerEnabled, but I assume yours is more like Machine Production System, where you need to know if the vegetable wine rule exists in the keg so you can create a better version of it in the improved keg.

Well, I can add a new mailflag for that option in the next update in two weeks, or you can use the mod CMCT to read other mods configs

The other rules are dependent on various mod configs being enabled from other mods, so you can use the same mailflag conditions that Artisan Machine uses to check for them

[dire nest]

Okay, I will use CMCT. Thank you!

[silk basalt]

if i haven't even made the mod yet, do i need to alter the dependencies in the manifest? i'm following the guide here https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Making_a_Custom_NPC and i wanted to fill in the manifest now. i can come back to it once i have things actually like. moving, right?

[hard fern]

Well you need a manifest for the mod to work

So you'll have to fill it out before you start testing it

[silk basalt]

ahh okay
this is my first time making anything like this so i do apologize if i ask any stupid questions

[vernal crest]

No, you don't have to put any dependencies in

[hard fern]

At bare minimum all you need is content patcher which is already covered by the "content pack for" part right?

[vernal crest]

In fact, you don't need dependencies even if you do add features from other mods because as long as you have them installed it will work. But I recommend adding them to your manifest when you start using their features or you risk forgetting to ever add them, like I do lol

[vernal crest]

Correct, CP doesn't go in the dependencies section

[autumn tide]

...time to fix my manifest-

[hard fern]

Oop-

[autumn tide]

this is why i lurk this channel LOL

[vernal crest]

Folks, I am providing y'all with an example of why we suggest using the {{ModId}} token instead of hardcoding your mod id into your json. I am about 80% of the way through making a mod with Bog and we just decided to change the name of it, so the mod id will be changing.

I have 1,209 instances of {{ModId}} in this mod.

If I had hardcoded it I would've had to have checked all of those changes to make sure a find and replace had worked properly.

[shut edge]

is there a way to have machines speed up or slow down depending on weather? i know they can be turned off entirely or require specific weather

was thinking of making a dehydrator variant that works faster in the desert / on sunny days

[autumn tide]

oooh my god that is such a good idea

[shut edge]

yeah i'm thinkin like a slow/cheap solar dehydrator

and then maybe a fast and expensive industrial one

and yea more items to make with them cuz there's like....three in vanilla

[autumn tide]

ooh i gotta download that when you're done

[hard fern]

good thing i dont change the name of my mod... i have no choice but to write my mod Id fully in several places

[shut edge]

it's a bit early yet lol

but thanks

[vernal crest]

Oh, why's that?

[hard fern]

Maps

[autumn tide]

ik lol, just a cool idea!

[lucid iron]

If it's map strings u can just do EditMap instead

[hard fern]

Well it's like. The map itself with the warps

[vernal crest]

I don't know of any map thing that you can't do with CP instead

[shut edge]

https://i.imgur.com/eQiLeq7.png

[hard fern]

I have all of them prefixed with my mod id

[shut edge]

i do have some art made already tho

[hard fern]

Hello squid

[shut edge]

hah yeah i was considering making squid specific jerky

[hard fern]

Ive eaten squid jerky before

Have you considered scallop jerky?

[shut edge]

....did i not make beef, wtf

i haven't, is that good?

[hard fern]

It tastes like a scallop

(so, good in my book)

[shut edge]

sounds good

[vernal crest]

I don't think you could affect dehydration that's already happening, but you can probably use different CP patches to change them day by day for new inputs

(Disclaimer: I know almost nothing about machines)

[drowsy pewter]

that confuses me

[shut edge]

yeah there doesn't seem to be like, machine speed modifiers

maybe EMC can

[drowsy pewter]

No there is

ReadyTimeModifiers

[brittle pasture]

ReadyTimeModifiers

fak

[shut edge]

oh is that what that does?

[brittle pasture]

though it only takes effect when the item is inputted

[shut edge]

ah

[brittle pasture]

the closest thing to a dynamic ready modifier is PreventTimePass

[drowsy pewter]

By the way the vanilla dehydrator works overnight, theres no time to it. So any machine you make would be "faster" if it worked within a day.

[shut edge]

i mean there's a condition so i could have like, if in desert, this cooks faster

yeah i noticed that

[brittle pasture]

well if you only need location-based conditions then ReadyTimeModifiers will work wonderfully

[shut edge]

i am thinking the cheap one can be like, two or three days, or one day if in desert

[brittle pasture]

what isn't possible is stuff like "if today is raining take 20% off the remaining produce time"

[shut edge]

and the fast one can make like maybe 3 or 4 batches a day

[brittle pasture]

but otherwise ReadyTimeModifiers will do it

[shut edge]

cool, thank you

what is that one thing called where you use like a plastic tarp to make water...

oh yeah solar ovens are also a thing huh

not sure that would be terribly stardew relevant tho

[hard fern]

🤔 the thing where you collect condensation on the underside and it drips into a container?

[shut edge]

yeah that

[hard fern]

I dunno either XD

[shut edge]

somehow in my head i was seeing that when thinking of a solar dehydrator maybe

[brave fable]

I would've guessed a condensation well but looking it up and that ain't it

[vernal crest]

Solar water condenser?

[shut edge]

THAT looks like a BC, lol

probably the same idea, i'm just thinking of the like survival emergency version

this DIY one looks like a BC anyway

that is clearly a two tiles tall device

[livid kite]

Oh @vernal crest , thought I would let you know I updated all my events to the 1.6 method, and you are right, event lookup doesn't show them anymore. Thanks again for the help!

[shut edge]

yeah that's what i was thinking of, thank you

would there be much a use case for a solar still in stardew tho eh

i guess you could use it to refill a watering can in the field

ocean ones are kinda neat

[vernal crest]

It looks like a pointy jellyfish

[shut edge]

it does

[shut edge]

https://i.imgur.com/8haZzrb.png

any other fish that make sense for jerky?

hmm, catfish

perhaps like slimejack or a legendary for comedy

[drowsy pewter]

How about a generic fish jerky that is created if it doesnt have a special jerky item?

[shut edge]

that would be good yeah

[versed wyvern]

Does anyone know if it's possible to make a character switch to a different portrait asset during dialogue? Via modded means if necessary?

[urban patrol]

like changing to sam's joja portrait for example?

you can do it during an event but i'm not sure about daily dialogue

[versed wyvern]

Yeah, I know events can do it but I'm trying to figure out something for when speaking to people

[urban patrol]

is it for a vanilla character or custom

[shut edge]

wow i forgot i made more meat trees for some mod i've never used lol

[brittle pasture]

try BETAS' UpdateAppearance trigger action action

[royal stump]

⬆️ $action Spiderbuttons.BETAS_UpdateAppearance Abigail AppearanceIDhere
https://stardew.button.gay/docs/betas/tractions#UpdateAppearance

can't confirm it works, but it seems likely

[devout otter]

Basically as if two people having conversation, yeah? Or changing costume mid-conversation? Then yes BETAS can do it.

[versed wyvern]

BETAS did seem like one possibility, though I'm not sure if relying on the Appearance system may mean having to take extra steps to keep overworld sprites consistent

[royal stump]

in most cases, calling it again at the end of the dialogue without a specific ID should set them back to w/e they were wearing before
but ig that doesn't necessarily support all possible appearance entries, since they could have fiddly conditions that change mid-location

...oh, also I was misinterpreting appearances & thinking you could separate portrait + sprite entries so yeah

[vernal crest]

If you only set portrait, the sprite will just use the one set by TextureName which will just be the NPC's default sprite - I think

[urban patrol]

i was going to suggest just adding the portrait(s) you want onto the portrait sheet if it's a custom NPC

[royal stump]

seems like it, yeah, which might mean things like "I changed the portrait for a bit & now they're not wearing winter clothes"

[shut edge]

https://i.imgur.com/MOdgtYq.png

that might be all the meats i can think of

other than that one mod that used to exist with like, lizard and dragon

[versed wyvern]

Alas this is actually the functionality I'm trying to sidestep here

[shut edge]

all the ones AHM and my own mods currently support anyway

[versed wyvern]

I'm working with big image files and it seems that some people's games just can't display texture sheets that get extended past a certain size (10000 pixels?), whether the texture's innately that big or extended via editimage

[urban patrol]

oh yeah i think the max size may be 4096x4096

[versed wyvern]

They work on my machine well past 10k so it's hard for me to test anything on that front

Could be memory related, VRAM, GPU, maybe mobile devices are involved

[tiny zealot]

the maximum texture size is dependent on the particular hardware

4096x4096 is a generally-accepted conservative limit that is widely supported

[versed wyvern]

I received no such error reports for assets up to 7000 px, whereas I started getting some for the one that was above 10000 so I suppose the limit is either there or 8192

Hence I'm trying to figure out ways to just jump to different assets rather than just making one super beeg asset

[royal stump]

afaict (and if you haven't already) you can make the portrait sheets wider than 2/row, to reduce the total vertical size
the code seems to support that at a glance

[versed wyvern]

I don't think anyone's ever tried that so how would portrait codes work like $1, $2 with that

[royal stump]

things like $s or $2 get converted into an index, which is basically "top left corner is 0, keep counting & going right until you hit the end, then go down to the next row"

so assuming you keep them in the correct order, it should work as-is

similar to how the object sheet works and such, just left to right & then down a row

[versed wyvern]

Fascinating, might experiment with that sometime

So the letter-based codes like $s and $h should work the same way?

[vernal crest]

Pathos has said not to do that

[versed wyvern]

Does it break things?

[vernal crest]

It can do, yeah

[royal stump]

yeah, seems that way, dang

[urban patrol]

oh are the named ones specified by area or something not index? sad

[royal stump]

the "get index" thing does convert $s and such into numbers, but I'm not sure if all the code uses it properly

[versed wyvern]

From his post it sounds like the code just doesn't treat portrait sheets the same way as other indexed sheets

[tiny zealot]

i think NPC sprites might also have some code lying around that assumes it's in rows of 4

[shut edge]

there was a fairly popular mod with Pemmican in it right?

distant lands maybe

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/articles/1793 ok yeah

[royal stump]

okay yeah, there's still at least one part of the dialogue system that thinks $h/$u/etc are in specific coordinates
(upscale mods would probably have to patch those too, but idk if they add arbitrary sheet support in the process)

[marble needle]

Hello, how I can post mods in #mod-showcase ?
I have just published this mod:
https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/39038?tab=description

[urban patrol]

someone with the mod author role can showcase it as long as it's not NSFW and not AI

[obtuse wigeon]

I noticed in the description you mention this:

I will have a repository uploaded over the next days with the generator used
out of curiosity was is a custom generator or an already existing one (if so which?)?

[marble needle]

A custom made one

you can generate a farmer from a pmd sprite from https://pmdcollab.org/
And as a starting point I generated all of the farmer sprites for each pokemon

This opens the door for cool things like Pokesonas, and other cool ideas as making a similar generators for changing villagers as custom pokemons, add the portraits available at pmd and mapping them as farmer/villager portraits, etc

Here is a video that shows the mod in action
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnRC_RbjUAI

[obtuse wigeon]

I shall have to download it when i next play!

if you send a message with a brief description and the link, I'll put it in the showcase for you

(if you want to do it in moddedm farmers it would be seen by more than in here I would say

#modded-stardew sorry, not modded farmers

(also feel free to tag me if you do post it or I may miss it)

[woeful lintel]

How did you solve the issue of having too much stuff for the game to load?

[marble needle]

I massivelly optimized the spritesheets for gpu (pow of two). Like rehuse repeated sprites, removed transparent space, that reduced the GPU vmem from 16 gb to 2-3

still there is an issue open in fashion sense to implement a way to not load all sprites at the start

[lucid iron]

im not sure if FS can do that given then menu

[marble needle]

if all sprites fails, there is still the version without variations which is a VERY lightweight version (1000 vs 5000+)

[lucid iron]

u can always solve this with C# ofc

[marble needle]

I had an idea of how to do it in a clean way, but I don't know how factible can be. Like make that fashion sense loads a specialized image named "preview.png" for example with only the frames that are shown in the search box, and just load that, when the sprite is selected, it loads the complete spritesheet, and that mode is available only if the preview.png is found for compatibility reason

[lucid iron]

yea potentially

although, i actually never seen 'too much stuff for game to load'

[marble needle]

yeah, this mod pushed the limit around that XD

[lucid iron]

not in a crashing way even on 2000 mod

[marble needle]

just download the all variations and see the folder

[lucid iron]

is it specifically a FS problem where it isn't being lazy with menu

[brittle pasture]

wacky.... some time ago Anaira reported an issue of DayStarted triggers not running when the condition is PLAYER_HAS_SEEN_EVENT Any <eventIdHere> and the event is skipped
I just managed to reproduce it in my real save, checked up my code, restarted my game, and now the trigger runs again and I can reproduce it no more

eh it has over 400 mods I can't be bothered to investigate

[versed wyvern]

Speaking of powers of 2 how important are they for Stardew textures

[rustic imp]

Hi, I've never modded or coded anything, I was wondering if anyone here had any recommendations for how to start modding Stardew

[urban patrol]

!startmodding

[ocean sail]

Making mods can be broadly divided into two categories:

• Content packs are formatted text files, and don't need any programming knowledge. They can add/edit NPCs, maps, new items, shops, and more. To get started, see the list of framework mods, the wiki tutorial for Content Patcher, and there might be relevant guides on the tutorial wiki.
• C# mods use programming code to change fundamental game mechanics. See getting started with C# modding.

Usually it’s easier to start with making content packs, since you don't need to learn programming.

To use this command, type !startmodding.

[rustic imp]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

holy

ty though

[urban patrol]

most mods are possible with content patcher, but if you want to change things about how the game functions, it would need C#

[versed wyvern]

You should also probably start by first deciding what kind of mod you're interested in making

[rustic imp]

I want to do a project with dialogue changes and event scripting as well as one QoL one that makes the hoe more useful by letting you move crops & things using it in a way that doesn't feel like dev mode

[uncut viper]

that last one is very much C#

[urban patrol]

the first would be doable with content patcher, and the second would definitely be C#

[rustic imp]

I'm open to learning C#

easier said than done I'm sure

[urban patrol]

if you want to start with C#, then try the button press tutorial linked on the wiki page above. you should also decompile the game code so that you can reference it

!decompile

[ocean sail]

If you want to make SMAPI mods with C#, one important resource is decompiling the game to read the game code. Here's how to do it: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/Get_Started#How_do_I_decompile_the_game_code.3F

To use this command, type !decompile.

[vernal crest]

I recommend starting with the CP mods

They can let you get a feel for how the game works in the backend and how mods interface with it without having to learn a programming language at the same time

[rustic imp]

got it, thanks for the links and tips

[uncut viper]

though, none of that knowledge will really transfer over into making that hoe QoL mod, bear in mind

[rustic imp]

I got stuck at decompiling the game code using ILSpy

[lucid mulch]

I personally dont actually use the decompiles and just stay inside ILSpy

[rustic imp]

downloaded "ILSpy_binaries_preview1-x64", then it asked me to download dotNET, so I downloaded "dotNET 9.0 SDK Windows x64 Binaries" but ILSpy doesn't open

[calm nebula]

You absolutely do not need that for a CP mod

[urban patrol]

you might need .NET 6? not sure though

[narrow owl]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/39051?tab=description

i finally published it!

[urban patrol]

i believe he wanted to start with the hoe C# mod, but yes, for just CP you don't need to decompile

[urban patrol]

would you like a showcase?

[narrow owl]

yes please

if possible

[rustic imp]

I was just going down the Modding:Content Patcher page and following what it said

[urban patrol]

yeah as long as there's no AI or NSFW i'll showcase it

[uncut viper]

the content patcher page does not mention ilspy at all

[jolly tulip]

does anyone know if i can use an event as a variable and say
myvariable = harvesting-crops
if myvariable spawn monster
?

[narrow owl]

ofc no nsfw and yeah no ai otherwise I wouldn't have struggled and asked u people for every little thing lol. But i feel like over time with your's and other people's help I began to actually understand this a little better

so onward to more complex modding!

[rustic imp]

I'm at create example mod

[vernal crest]

There's no mention of ilspy there

[urban patrol]

you may have confused decompiling with unpacking, that's probably my bad

[uncut viper]

there is literally no mention of ilspy there

[rustic imp]

wait

[urban patrol]

!unpack

[ocean sail]

Follow this guide to unpack the game's content files in order to see and explore how the game data is structured.
It's helpful when making your own mods, or just to learn about how the game works!

To use this command, type !unpack.

[rustic imp]

aight my bad my tabs are confusing me

[uncut viper]

decompilation is for C# mods (and very curious content pack modders). unpacking is rated E for Everyone

[jolly tulip]

ilspy is a unpacker?

[narrow owl]

@urban patrol thank you so much!

[uncut viper]

no

[jolly tulip]

its a mod loader?

[uncut viper]

also no

[jolly tulip]

what is it?

[uncut viper]

ILSpy is a program for decompiling and viewing C# assemblies

it is nothing at all specific to Stardew or modding whatsoever

[jolly tulip]

hows that not unpacking?

[uncut viper]

because you're not unpacking anything.

[jolly tulip]

whats packing?

and compiling?

[urban patrol]

we unpack to see game assets and data files, and decompile to see game code

[obtuse wigeon]

Think of ILSpy more as unbuilding, carefully disassembling a house to get as much of the materials back as possible, where as unpacking, is taking things out of a parcel or box

[jolly tulip]

do you know how to figure out when the game knows when your character harvest a crop?

[urban patrol]

nope i'm not experienced at all with C#

there may be a trigger in BETAS if you want to use a framework

[jolly tulip]

trigger?

[urban patrol]

it sounds like you might need to review some game concepts. i recommend visiting the wiki and looking at things like [[Modding:Trigger_actions]]

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Trigger_actions

[jolly tulip]

do u check game's code in ilspy or does ilspy make u a folder with the game's code in it?

[lucid mulch]

can do both

[obtuse wigeon]

technically both, you can look at it in ILSpy but if you aren't as familiar with it, you may find looking through a folder somewhat easier

[jolly tulip]

does nobody know where the harvesting and crops code is?

[lucid mulch]

mix of Farmer, GameLocation and Crops

[urban patrol]

is the WindowLight map property sometimes added automatically based on tiles? i noticed that my custom map doesn't have the WindowLight property, but the windows in the base map show the bright white streaky light, while the windows that get added in via an EditMap patch don't have that same light automatically

[lucid mulch]

but I don't see how that knowledge would help if you cant find it yourself

[hard fern]

Yeah, i think specific window tiles will automatically have the light

[urban patrol]

(like this for reference)

interesting

[jolly tulip]

what do u mean?

[hard fern]

Are the ones on the right the editmap one?

[jolly tulip]

oh i know what u mean

[urban patrol]

yep

[jolly tulip]

ill find it

[hard fern]

Hm then i think it's like how editmap doesn't carry iver properties

Youd have to like manually make those windows have light

[urban patrol]

yeah, that makes sense to me. i was just confused when i went to check my map properties and saw i had NO window light defined lol

[jolly tulip]

do you know if there's a way to search in vsc?

like "harvest" and it'd show it up

[obtuse wigeon]

Ctrl + F

oh wait I think ctrl + shift + F searches in all files within the open folder

[jolly tulip]

what do you mean?

i only have 1 file open

can i open multiple?

[obtuse wigeon]

in VSCode, if you click File > Open Folder, you can open the whole decompile folder at once, rather than just one file at a time

[lucid mulch]

the search menu on the sidebar would search in all files in the workspace

[jolly tulip]

there's no crop file

nevermind it's called crop.cs

[lucid mulch]

looking at it, anything with the tilesheet 'index' of 256 from the indoor tilesheet should populate the WindowLight map property with the two tiles

[jolly tulip]

i searched crops

[lucid mulch]

and EditMap should apply its changes prior to it loading it

[urban patrol]

hmm then maybe i need to sleep or something? i cheated my way to 10 hearts to trigger the map edit

oh yep! sleeping fixed it

thank you for looking into it sinz and forsy

it's strange that daytiles/nighttiles were working but windowlight wasn't

[jolly tulip]

does anyone know if this is when player harvests a crop?

is "indexOfHarvest" a variable?

[lucid mulch]

I would recommend learning some C# prior to looking into whatever it is you want to do

[jolly tulip]

define learning

[urban patrol]

https://www.robmiles.com/c-yellow-book

this is a good book to read to learn C#

[jolly tulip]

but is it relevant?

[uncut viper]

this channel is not going to teach you C#

[urban patrol]

yes. why would i link you something irrelevant.

[vernal crest]

Is...a resource that teaches C#...relevant to learning C#....?

[jolly tulip]

people who "know" C# dont know every in and outs of it

and yet they can function

[vernal crest]

How much C# do you know?

[jolly tulip]

a little bit

[obtuse wigeon]

define "a little bit"

[uncut viper]

if you dont know what public readonly NetString indexOfHarvest = new NetString(); is, the book is relevant

[jolly tulip]

ii know what a variable is, it's a value you give to x

[obtuse wigeon]

that's not specifically C#, that's just a basic coding principle across all languages

[jolly tulip]

keyword "not specicfically" in other words, it is part of C#

[obtuse wigeon]

have you done anything with C# before? (either related or unrelated to Stardew)

[vernal crest]

Is there any way - without C# lol - that I can check if a player has crafted a recipe?

[jolly tulip]

i printed "hello world"

[obtuse wigeon]

The Yellow book will be relevant to you then

[vernal crest]

What do you mean I have no BETAS tabs open >:(

[jolly tulip]

do you know which page its on?

[uncut viper]

no.

[urban patrol]

i assume you mean ever, right?

[jolly tulip]

whats a keyword i can search for?

[obtuse wigeon]

Read it until you find the part where you find it and understand it

[vernal crest]

(Was that no to me?)

[vernal crest]

Yeah

[uncut viper]

you should read the book from the start and go from there.

[jolly tulip]

but i'll forget lots of it probably

[uncut viper]

(no i missed you had a question. BETAS has a thing for it, 1.6.16 will have a thing for it (iirc))

[urban patrol]

https://stardew.button.gay/docs/betas/queries#PLAYER_HAS_COOKED_ITEM

[vernal crest]

Ah ha! You are always my saviour

[urban patrol]

button beat me to it lol

[obtuse wigeon]

Then you'll just have to re read the parts you forget until you remember them

[vernal crest]

What's another dependency for just one GSQ

[uncut viper]

could be two GSQs if you want crafting recipes too

[vernal crest]

I will make everyone use all my friends' mods all the time

I actually only want crafting recipes lol

[jolly tulip]

but if im not gonna use 99% of the knowledge in that book, i keep forgetting it

[uncut viper]

could be two GSQs if you want cooking recipes too

[jolly tulip]

not to mention, why would i be appealed to read it if i think it's irelevant?

[obtuse wigeon]

you will most likely use 80% of the knowledge in that book

[jolly tulip]

alright

[obtuse wigeon]

Bc that's how you learn

[uncut viper]

because no one else is going to be appealed by the idea of teaching you

[lucid mulch]

there is PLAYER_HAS_CRAFTING_RECIPE GSQ, but doesn't distinguish between knowing the recipe and having made it

[vernal crest]

Atlas I feel like you are getting slightly suckered here lol

[vernal crest]

Yeah, that was going to be my less appealing backup if needed haha

[obtuse wigeon]

I have no idea what "suckered" means XD

[jolly tulip]

same

[jolly tulip]

thats not true, people like to help here

[obtuse wigeon]

Just googled it, I'm having quite a bit of fun so I can assure you I'm not XD

[vernal crest]

Uhh it means getting played

Haha okay then

[jolly tulip]

rage baiting as the new gens say

[vernal crest]

I'm with button on this one

Hrm, this feels like it needs a letter or people might not notice it got unlocked

[urban patrol]

whatcha making?

[uncut viper]

whats the unlock method

[lucid mulch]

If you show no interest in learning, you would find that people will be less interested in helping.

And with the majority of mods needing no C# at all, the majority of people here wouldn't be able to help anyways.
And those that can, would prefer to not teach the first 5 minutes of a C# 101 class for someone that doesn't want to do external reading first to learn the most basic of C# syntax

[obtuse wigeon]

Ooo I love letters! please do (totes not scope creep I swear 👀 )

[jolly tulip]

i was just being skeptcal that reading books is simply culture here

[lucid mulch]

there is a reason why !yellowbook is a command

[jolly tulip]

ill read it for a try to change if it makes u feel better

[jolly tulip]

yeah but ur implying just because everybody agrees with that, it means its right

[urban patrol]

being combative and distrustful of the people in this channel isn't going to be very constructive at all

[jolly tulip]

i dont think people intentionally wanna be misleading

[ornate locust]

I don't think people are being misleading, I think you're being kinda weird about this

[versed wyvern]

Whether it's a book or a disco message you have to read and absorb something yourself either way

[lucid mulch]

I'm more saying out of anything else, that there is a minimum level of competency required with C# before you would even begin asking relevant questions that might help you with whatever you actually wanted to make (which you never did say)

and if you don't want to learn C#, you should accept that and try and see if Content Patcher content packs could solve your problem instead

[jolly tulip]

well my intuiton was that if somebody just answers my question instead of asking me to read an entire book then it'd be faster and less boring
it's like im asking "who is George Washington?" and u link me the entire wikipeda page of "history" or give me a history book

[urban patrol]

you're asking "what does this chinese phrase say" and we're telling you to read the chinese dictionary

[ornate locust]

I don't know a thing about C#, but I also didn't know a thing about Content Patcher when I started and everyone here's always linked to very helpful stuff when asked. They aren't misleading you, they are trying to help

[jolly tulip]

i agree but why not tell me about the chinese phrase? me knowing how to say good morning isn't relevant to the answer to the question i asked

[vernal crest]

You're asking "where does the steering wheel go" and when we've answered that you'll ask "where does the windscreen go" until you've asked how to put together the entire car

[jolly tulip]

ok ill read it thanks

[vernal crest]

It does not appear that we specified that so I have brought this up to Bog lol

[versed wyvern]

A question about code requires far more foundational knowledge than just a question that can be answered with a description

[urban patrol]

another alternative, if you don't want to learn, is to pay a mod author and commission the mod you want

[uncut viper]

fair i just ask cuz if its on like, level up in a skill, then the player will automatically find out overnight

[jolly tulip]

sure but that wouldn't be learning

[versed wyvern]

Well you could also pay someone to actually teach you

With actual structured classes

[jolly tulip]

yeah but wht if the structure to those classes are bad?

[versed wyvern]

Then you got ripped off I guess

[jolly tulip]

cause ive seen some computer science from time to time and ive liked some over the others

[jolly tulip]

yeah well thats the threat

[brave fable]

i do in fact read a lot of books for my mods lol

[versed wyvern]

You can't do anything in life without some level of gambling your time and/or money

[vernal crest]

I misunderstood! The unlock condition is that the player has crafted all the other charm rings before this, so it'll have to be done via trigger action I think.

[tender bloom]

i read wikipedia articles too, lots of them

[versed wyvern]

But it's better to try it and learn how it can go wrong than to spend the same amount of time not doing anything because you're worried it could go wrong

[vernal crest]

SO HOW ABOUT THOSE MODS EVERYONE

[tender bloom]

i have a disturbing number of citations lurking under the hood of some of my (unpublished) mod features

[brave fable]

c# mods you say

[ornate locust]

guys I just had schedules work on the first try

fuckin miracle

[tender bloom]

it turns out fish just have wild names

[oblique meadow]

I own many leather bound books and my home smells of rich mahogany! /s

[urban patrol]

i think my question may have been lost--what are you making? 👀 unless it's a secret lol

[tender bloom]

there's so many weird fish out there

[brave fable]

i respect and relate to the idiot fish

[jolly tulip]

alright but i think books are boring, its not an active hobby of mine because the text doesnt feel human, which is why asking a guy is better than looking it up. it feels like they're trying to sound educated when the concept of "educated" is a social construct, in other words they're trying to sound apealing and cool to the masses than try to convey something to me. i dont like how teaching comes second but maybe im wrong about yellow c#, we'll see

[uncut viper]

does the player know this beforehand? it might be more like... less shoehorned feeling to give indication that theyll unlock it before they craft it all rather than a random letter after they crafted them all (how would the person sending the letter even know?)

[vernal crest]

Oh it totally was lol please always ping me!

[tender bloom]

there's also a lot of very poorly documented fish where it's hidden in some random person's blogpost to even figure out anything about the fish

[lucid mulch]

my .NET 9 SMAPI experiment for the most part has been a success, and I think I have the Satori GC working, but need to put more work into Profiler to have a sampling system in place so I can log performance details better to help compare .NET6, .NET9 and .NET9 w/ Satori

[jolly tulip]

some gambles are less riskier than others

[urban patrol]

oh this is SICK

is this the monster hutch?

[brave fable]

well that may be true for some books, but you really can't claim that all books are merely pretending to know what they're talking about

[ornate locust]

buddy, you're asking people to piecemeal teach you how to do something for free in an internet chatroom. It may be better for you, but it's miserable for them

[tender bloom]

i suspect this is because I speak english so all the fish dictionaries I read are in english, which has particularly poor documentation outside of the english-speaking areas of the world

[uncut viper]

"poorly documented fish" is one of my new favourite sentences

[jolly tulip]

only without reading them, which i havent read all

[vernal crest]

They know that they will be receiving recipes, yep, just not specifically when. And it would be another letter continuing the letters and event they have already received, not a random thing out of the blue

So the letter would just be "hey, here's this particular recipe now"

[jolly tulip]

but how is not contradctory? this is "we're gonna help u code because we're friends!" chatroom

[oblique meadow]

Ok. Mod related question more needing help determining if there’s a better way. I have a map that starts covered / obscured. With more of the map being u covered as quests are done. Is the most efficient way of handling this via map patches I’m assuming? Or is there something better that would be easier / better / more flexible

[vernal crest]

Yep!

[brave fable]

in any case, some of the most wordy and verbose books i've read have also been the most engaging, and more importantly, useful, relevant, and insightful

[uncut viper]

does better crafting have an item crafted trigger or something, what if you made a big explosion of confetti when they crafted the last ring /j

[jolly tulip]

what did u read?

[tender bloom]

that sounds like a vast overgeneralization

[urban patrol]

map patches sounds easiest to me, yeah

[obtuse wigeon]

It's beautiful, I want to live in it IRL

[tender bloom]

this chatroom is about making mods for stardew valley specifically

[uncut viper]

wait BETAS has an ItemCrafted trigger i forgor

[ornate locust]

Well... generally my friends don't try to argue me into doing things for them by sarcastically reminding me they're my friend.

[haughty charm]

[brave fable]

i'm happy to answer questions my friends ask about computers. i'm also happy to ask them for advice and info on writing and music. i wouldn't expect them to give me complete lessons though, just info, pointers, and fixes

[lucid mulch]

the proposed 1.7 fields on Data/Objects which were intended for shops might work on crafting as well and might be able to do what you want (with all the problems depending on 1.7 would cause ofc)

[livid kite]

Logo!

[haughty charm]

Raffie!

[obtuse wigeon]

Forgetting functions of your own mod would be quite amusing if I didn't remember how many things and mods you've made XD

[brave fable]

but yeah more to the point it's hard to give longform C# lessons in this chat because it's a lot of information, it fills up the chat quickly, it isn't suited to an instant messenger format, and requires a good amount of practical learning on your end as well

[uncut viper]

i routinely have to double check my own documentation to make sure im not misremembering a trigger or GSQ or something or confusing it with one i only thought about adding but never did or vice versa

[jolly tulip]

yeah so why am i asked to learn to code when i just wanna make a mod?

[vernal crest]

Unfortunately there's no set order for them to craft them in

[brave fable]

we're here for asking and sharing stardew valley specific information, because there's nowhere else you can ask for that hahah

[uncut viper]

thats why you set a mail flag for each individual one

[lucid mulch]

I would leave it blueberry, particularly with logo now here I would stop getting ragebaited further

[uncut viper]

with each ring also having a separate trigger to check if they now have ALL the flags

[haughty charm]

Making a mod is coding...whether you're making a content pack for a framework or writing your own C#

[jolly tulip]

well engagement isn't a requirement for being in a class/room

[haughty charm]

And that's where I'm going to put a lid on this conversation

This isn't a classroom, it's a chatroom

[ornate locust]

you know, good, because it was getting incoherent. Aba, the monster hatchery place looks rad

[vernal crest]

This feels like scope creep!

[obtuse wigeon]

-# scope creep scope creep scope creep

[ornate locust]

I like the little walls and gates. Are those added like people do in slime hutches or are they a feature?

[vernal crest]

They're just Boggy decorating

[uncut viper]

if no explosion of confetti, you could just make it play the level up sound or somethin

to give an indication that ~something~ happened

maybe pop up a custom Message or dialogue box to tell them exactly what just happened

[brave fable]

to close things up, i'm reading through 'measurement and construction of the japanese house' by the architect heino engel, which is an extremely useful illustrated reference

[vernal crest]

I will pass your ideas on to my collaborator and we will ponder, thank you Button xD

[uncut viper]

mission accomplished

[tender bloom]

making sounds is pretty easy in C# fwiw (idk if betas has that as a feature)

[oblique meadow]

That’s what I thought too. Was hoping a less large method existed. Since I have like 20ish map unlocks

[uncut viper]

BETAS has a PlaySound traction yeah

so does SpaceCore

[urban patrol]

do you specifically want them to be hidden, or just inaccessible? because if it's just opening fences or something, that would be doable with CP patches on singular tiles

[obtuse wigeon]

you beat me to it Nic

[oblique meadow]

The idea is that the quests unlock and uncover parts of the map. So I definitely want them hidden

[tender bloom]

you could also break up the map into smaller maps

i guess that's not less work

at all

[rustic imp]

the dichotemy between wanting to learn to make stardew mods vs just wanting to play stardew

I'm gonna play stardew now

[tender bloom]

break the modder's curse!

[drowsy pewter]

I want to play stardew but my mod release deadline
.

[oblique meadow]

Haha. Nah. It’s ok. I knew what I was in for when I came up with the concept, this is just me actually realizing now what it entails and trying to take a shortcut, 😝

[drowsy pewter]

I hired some friends to translate my mod into thai so i can (hypothetically) play with it in thai later

[haughty charm]

I want to play stardew but wikis...it's modding-adjacent nodnod

[livid kite]

I'm sure you'll be able to play soon logo!

[urban patrol]

warp NikoSasaki? 28 19/move NikoSaski? 0 -4 0/speak NikoSasaki? \"Monty! I can't believe we're going to be neighbors!$h\"/warp CrystalPalace 28 19/move NikoSasaki? 1 0 3

sighhh is this not how to have an event with an optional character? the event freezes immediately after Niko warps in. she actually did warp in, which i don't want, because she's not unlocked in this save yet

[vernal crest]

Did you give her the question mark in setup too?

[urban patrol]

...no i did not, good catch

[vernal crest]

Also I think I found that optional characters that are not unlocked still appear...let me go find my test file

[urban patrol]

ugh i don't want to have to code two versions, but i will

[uncut viper]

the optional check in addActor specifically excluded non-unlocked characters

like Kent

[urban patrol]

let me test it with the ? in setup

[vernal crest]

No I was wrong

[livid kite]

off to the wiki to know more about '?'

[urban patrol]

hmm yeah this results in her correctly not warping in, but the event just freezes instead

[vernal crest]

But move breaks with optional NPCs

[urban patrol]

that would be it then

darn

[vernal crest]

Try advancedMove

[urban patrol]

my least favorite move command lol will do

[uncut viper]

are you certain? the Move code also has optional NPC checks

[vernal crest]

No I am not certain, my notes aren't very clear and I didn't record when I was doing this testing so it might have been before 1.6.15

Looks like I reported the errors before 1.6.9

[livid kite]

On the wiki it says that they are only added if the unlockconditions match

[vernal crest]

But I thought I remembered there being different errors afterwards

[urban patrol]

different errors in your log? or in unexpected behavior? my log is empty

[vernal crest]

Oh no I must have been testing after 1.6.9 because I mention the speak command having been fixed

[ornate locust]

I'm making myself play Stardew to test, would recommend just playing the dang game for testing

[vernal crest]

Event hangs forever, no errors

[ornate locust]

you really find some stuff

[urban patrol]

oh okay yeah that's what i'm seeing here hmm. and it was supposed to have been addressed in 1.6.9?

oh yeah

[uncut viper]

hm i suppose i dont see it incrementing the current command counter so thatd track

[urban patrol]

is this a 'report for 1.6.16' kind of thing?

[uncut viper]

idk dont put my name on it im very tired and only giving the code cursory looks at best as a result

[urban patrol]

i can def wait until someone else weighs in. this event is far from the last thing i need to do, and i can work around it by just making two events if i have to

[vernal crest]

Yes it is, I can put it on my to do list to make a repro pack for Pathos

[uncut viper]

in fact yeah after another look ignore my previous comment i missed a negation

dunno why it hangs

[urban patrol]

[vernal crest]

Did advancedMove change it?

[urban patrol]

i haven't changed that yet. let me do it now since i'll have to convert them all (never the twain shall mix!)

[vernal crest]

Nah I mix them all the time

Just did yesterday

[urban patrol]

omg what

this is news to me

okay this'll go quickly then

[vernal crest]

Time for me to commit config crimes sorry ichor

And also Button I'm pretty sure

[urban patrol]

okay changing the first move got me as far as warping crystal in, so i'm pretty confident that advancedMove likes NPC? and move doesn't

[ornate locust]

never be sure about movement

dead-eyed stare into the distance

[patent lance]

New quote added by handwrittenhello as #6726 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/1435148384578306110)

[vernal crest]

Yep, test event hangs with move Kent? 0 1 2/ when Kent is not unlocked but not with advancedMove Kent? false 0 8 14 0 4 50/

[urban patrol]

oh my god an error i've never seen before: the event started itself over??

[vernal crest]

I've had that before too

[ornate locust]

yet another Movement Quirk for the list

[urban patrol]

off the top of your head, do you recall why?

[uncut viper]

i dont know what a config crime would be

[vernal crest]

Nope

[urban patrol]

faceDirection NikoSasaki? 3 this is where it starts itself over so maybe another oddity for the list i lied, my speak command was borked

[vernal crest]

I am setting up a config that breaks things when changed mid-game. I think. My testing was sidetracked by optional NPCs.

[urban patrol]

i was about to apologize for distracting you, but if i'm preventing crimes perhaps i should be proud

[vernal crest]

Lol it's probably a very minor crime

[versed wyvern]

Does anyone know if there are any additional modders who take commissions for maps and map tilesheets not listed on the modding wiki page?
The more I think about it the more I just don't wanna make tilesheets myself

[drowsy pewter]

i dont know any who are active rn

aside from me

who is not active

[urban patrol]

i love making maps but tilesheets aren't my strong suit

[drowsy pewter]

for maps you might find people in the east scarp server

[versed wyvern]

A universal distaste, it seems like

[drowsy pewter]

Yes tilesheets are horrible

Sorry

[oblique meadow]

Tilesheets aren’t bad. I just suck at art

[drowsy pewter]

But if you pay enough to keep me housed for several months i could consider it (mostly joking)

[urban patrol]

what kind of tilesheet do you need? like all new terrain etc, or more like individual furniture/objects?

[devout otter]

Are the ones currently on the wiki page not actuve?

[drowsy pewter]

You can ask Lumina since she does a lot of tilesheets i dont think she has like a commission page though

[versed wyvern]

I want to make a spooky mansion which will need custom tiles for both the interior and exterior

[ornate locust]

More of an editor for tilesheets, sorry. I made exactly one flower from scratch and it gave me a real headache

[urban patrol]

i actually love drawing building exteriors but it takes me for-fucking-ever

[obtuse wigeon]

I love spooky stuff, I wish I had the skills to make tilesheets for it, everything else to do with them I quite like, except the making of them

[ornate locust]

and the one building I did was like a boxy municipal building

[drowsy pewter]

PlatinumCats might possibly be open to doing it

but her prices are similarly high

[ornate locust]

(that's the great thing with a bunch of small town municipal architecture, it's SQUARE AS HELL, don't gotta get too fancy with it)

[indigo yoke]

am I not seeing customfields being easier to get for Objects/Items/Tools?

Like for locations I can do

  var data = player.currentLocation.GetData();
  data.CustomFields

or for buffs, same thing. but like for Items I don't see a built in data (or customfields) getter?
like I cant do

var data = item.GetData();

or

var customFIelds = item.GetCustomFields();

like I can for context tags. am I just blind?

[versed wyvern]

As for activity I haven't contacted anyone yet, just trying to see who's out there

A chunk of the ones on the wiki specify they don't do tilesheets

[drowsy pewter]

Tilesheets are genuinely a rare thing because someone who has done them before has to have experience with map modding

[urban patrol]

these are buildings i've made, if that's appealing to you? my skills for interior would probably be mostly recoloring vanilla assets like floors and walls, but i can do furniture and objects easy

[drowsy pewter]

Theres probably a lot of people who would be open to consider it if you ask tho

[finite ginkgo]

There's no direct GetData method for any of the item types, you'll have to get the data manually (ie Game1.objectData[itemId] for objects and big craftables)

[indigo yoke]

ty

[versed wyvern]

Hmm, okay, I guess I should probably get a more detailed plan for what I want and then see if anyone would be interested

[drowsy pewter]

For doing tilesheets as an artist I find that the most clear way is for you to make a scribbled wip tileset that you can use to build your maps. That way you can accurately assess how many tiles you would need and what shapes/corners/etc. Or use a vanilla tileset and tell the artist "replace every tile here with a custom one". Otherwise trying to communicate what is needed is very difficult'

[urban patrol]

also you should check out shrimplyforsy's art, i think they're making a gothic mansion sort of thing, and it looks awesome

[obtuse wigeon]

If these are any use to you feel free to use them without credit (that goes for everyone else too), they probably won't ever be used otherwise). They're grey scale versions of many vanilla stardew building walls and roofs with different angles ready to be recoloured

(it shouldn't be blury when you download it from discord, if it is lmk and I'll put it on my website instead and link it)

[versed wyvern]

Much obliged, will yoink

[urban patrol]

where was this when i was crying over roofs omg

[obtuse wigeon]

I recently found it again, I thought it was deleted when I reinstalled my OS but it was instead hidden deep in the files of a random mod idea I have

there is another 20 tiles in the psd doc I was planning to convert to grayscale like these but I never got around to it

[hard fern]

am i needed for anything?

[urban patrol]

mud was looking for people who take map and tilesheet comms for a spooky mansion

[hard fern]

Ah, i dont take comma

*comns

[versed wyvern]

We are just huddled in a circle lamenting that tilesheets are pain

[hard fern]

Whatsver that word is

[urban patrol]

ah too bad!

[hard fern]

I hate tilesheets too so at least we can all agree. On one thing XD

[versed wyvern]

Say, related to the idea I wanna do, is it possible to control the weather for an event? Being all spooky I'd really like it to start storming during the intro for the atmosphere

[urban patrol]

spacecore can set it to rain

i'm not sure if that includes lightning though

[versed wyvern]

Mm, that might be good enough, could fake lightning strikes with playsound and whatnot, thanks for the tip

[brave fable]

love of cooking does config suspicious activity https://github.com/b-b-blueberry/CooksAssistant/blob/master/LoveOfCooking/Interface/ModConfigMenu.cs
merely 1500 lines

[urban patrol]

if you do get something you like, would you mind sharing the event code for the storm part? i have an event i want to make that's the teens telling scary stories around a campfire, just haven't gotten around to it yet. no worries if not

[brave fable]

includes an info sheet and guide

[versed wyvern]

A promise from me for a project this far off probably wouldn't mean much but sure

[vernal crest]

Hmmmm nothing appears to have broken. Was my real crime lying about committing crime?!

Oh no I forgot one of the side effects (sometimes) of breaking events is that the music never ends

[urban patrol]

i hate advancedMove. any tips on making niko not freeze on a walk sprite after she finishes her move?
/emote farmer 20/warp NikoSasaki? 28 19/advancedMove NikoSasaki? false 0 -4/pause 1000/speak NikoSasaki? \"Monty! I can't believe we're going to be neighbors!$h\"/warp CrystalPalace 28 19/advancedMove NikoSasaki? false 1 0/proceedPosition NikoSasaki?/move CrystalPalace 0 -3 0/faceDirection NikoSasaki? 3/speak CrystalPalace \"Wow, nice digs. Did Jenny give you The Talk?$h\"/emote MontyFinch 32

[urban patrol]

oh nooo hope you didn't want an earworm

[vernal crest]

I can't get earworms lol

[vernal crest]

Add a pause with the right face direction afterwards. Like advancedMove NikoSasaki? false 0 -4 3 50/

[urban patrol]

oooh

perhaps that's the key to advancedMove not sucking forever that i've been missing

[vernal crest]

Probably, I've almost never had advancedMove suck

In fact, you're one of the only people I know who prefers move

[urban patrol]

i like to be special apparently

[vernal crest]

I prefer to write move because it's easier lol but I am always prepared to switch to advancedMove if needed

And when I need simultaneous movement I don't even bother starting with move

[urban patrol]

one thing i like about move is that it pauses the event by default

but you can unpause it with true

[vernal crest]

I know

[urban patrol]

sorry not to modsplain lol

[vernal crest]

But I find it frequently works poorly compared to advancedMove

Haha that's okay

I am almost always doing simultaneous movement lol

I always sigh at events where one character walks to their destination and then the next one starts

[urban patrol]

makes total sense you'd prefer it then

lol

[vernal crest]

I am too impatient for inefficient movement!

[urban patrol]

i got farms to crop and people to gift joja cola to!

[vernal crest]

Huh, my config worked first go with no issues whatsoever so now I am slightly off kilter because I was expecting to have to do more work lol

[urban patrol]

wow! better not jinx it then

[vernal crest]

Oh...oh no

My i18n key:

"config.CT_RingIngredients.values.Bogs.Monsters_SquidKidSoul 1 Bogs.Monsters_MetalHeadSoul 1 Bogs.Monsters_SkeletonSoul 1 Bogs.Monsters_RockCrabSoul 1 Bogs.Monsters_DustSpriteSoul 1 Bogs.Monsters_ShadowShamanSoul 1 Bogs.Monsters_ShadowBruteSoul 1 Bogs.Monsters_StoneGolemSoul 1 74 1"

[urban patrol]

this worked a treat btw, thank you

[vernal crest]

I guess I have to eat my words about wishing i18n keys didn't accept spaces

That monstrosity worked perfectly

[urban patrol]

LMAO

i'm glad it worked, sorry about the new word diet

[vernal crest]

Curse my love of being able to put tokens right inside the recipe ingredients field

Kick a frog while they're down why don't you 6480 /j

[drowsy pewter]

happily

did you just call yourself a frog

[vernal crest]

Yes lol

[merry rampart]

anyone know where i can get a copy of the old wizard house tiles? it's not in the game anymore and I need it to make an old mod work

nvm i found a source

[jolly light]

Does anyone know where the shoe color mask is located?

[vernal crest]

The one in Characters/Farmer/shoeColors?

[hard fern]

🤔 what about the shoes on the character base itself

[marble needle]

Btw somebody can test if the pokemon farmer mod with all variations loads in the steam deck? (It could take time because of the sheer amount of sprites)

And how to add my published mod to the smapi database?

[fossil osprey]

The smapi database is updated regularly with all new mods, so you don't need to do anything

[frosty gate]

That's what stardew access will do yes, but to store the data, I'm thinking of using either CustomFields to textures or a CustomAsset entirely, like how I'll handle accessible map tiles, that way it can be CP-ed to add or override data.

[gentle rose]

oh I'll handle that in the portrait framework I'm making directly dw

[merry river]

hi, i'm modding for the first time and i'm trying my hand at making a standalone npc using the tutorials i can find including on the CP site and the SDV site! it seems that some of it was written for 1.5 though, if I'm not mistaken? are there any up to date tutorials one could point me to? all the tutorials talk about a dispos.json but it doesn't seem to exist in 1.6. thanks in advance

[drowsy pewter]

!npc

[ocean sail]

Creating a Custom NPC

Keep in mind that making NPCs is a complex process that requires learning many different aspects of Stardew modding.
Here are a few links that can help get you started on all that you need to know:

• Tiakall has a great tutorial on making a custom NPC for 1.6.

• NPCs no longer use dispositions, check the wiki page for the new NPC data.

• Feel free to jump into the https://discord.com/channels/137344473976799233/1277457201077813280 thread for more interactive feedback and help!

• Fireredlily has a WIP NPC Builder Please do report any errors you get with it into the NPC thread!

To use this command, type !npc.

[drowsy pewter]

the first one

[merry river]

thank you so much!

oh you're the author of cornucopia? just using the chance to say that i love this mod! thanks for your work!

[drowsy pewter]

Thank you so much!

[obtuse finch]

Does anyone know a mod that would let you remove bed in a extra player house?

[drowsy pewter]

Our new mod will be released in less than two weeks

[merry river]

looking forward to that!!

[drowsy pewter]

You should ask over in #modded-stardew

[obtuse finch]

Ohh alright, thank you

[drowsy pewter]

I wonder if requiring a specific version of an optional dependency in the manfiest will even do anything

[calm nebula]

It does

[drowsy pewter]

Thank god, i have a lot of optional dependencies and they all have required fnew features

[calm nebula]

If (dependency installed but wrong version) then (mod does not load)

[fast plaza]

Yknow. The whole "you've launched the game 100 times" feature is cute and nice until you've been relaunching the game over and over trying to debug one issue

[calm nebula]

I keep on wanting a {{mod version}} token for that reason

[calm nebula]

!reload

[ocean sail]

How do I reload my changes while I'm still in game?

• Content Patcher pack: enter patch reload <your_mod_id> in the SMAPI console window. This will reload and reapply all your patches (but won't recalculate the ConfigSchema or DynamicToken sections if you use them).
• Translation files: enter reload_i18n in the SMAPI console window. If it's for a Content Patcher pack, also run patch reload afterwards.
• C#: see the Visual Studio hot reload or Rider hot reload feature.

To use this command, type !reload.

[calm nebula]

Do you know about hot reload

[fast plaza]

I didn't but this is very good to know! Some of the stuff I'm working on rn I don't think this'd work too well with but il have to give it a shot when I'm working next! Ty!

I used to work with unreal engine at my old job and I'm kinda nervous about hot reload cuz unreal engines hot reload is godawful

But SMAPI is far better made than unreal engine so I'm optimistic

[next plaza]

It's not even a matter of how SMAPI is made - it'd just be the base .net hot reload

but yeah it's one of the many reasons I'm a UE hater

[autumn tide]

huh, I didn't know unreal engine was designed so poorly lol

[next plaza]

The hot reload specifically has more to do with the C++ stuff I think

It's super old though, so I imagine a lot of the design stems from that

[autumn tide]

mmm okay

[next plaza]

If I were to use UE nowadays I'd try out either https://angelscript.hazelight.se/ or https://github.com/UnrealSharp/UnrealSharp

But there's more than just "only C++ or Blueprint, no in between" that I dislike about UE

So I'd try to use godot or something instead

[autumn tide]

good to know lol, I don't plan on learning to program or anything but I find it intriguing

[woeful lintel]

Yay! hours after a patch release and no one is complaining!

[dusky rose]

if you have any issue dm me base on project that you can pay for

[frosty gate]

Thanks for this! So from what I understand this how I could define the data model:

class AccessibleTileData {
  public string? Id = null;
  public List<AccessibleMap> MapEntries = [];
}

class AccessibleMap {
  public string? Id = null;
  public List<AccessibltTile> TileEntries = [];
}

class AccessibleTile {
  public List<int> X = [];
  public List<int> Y = [];
  public string? NameOrTranslationKey = null;
  public string? Category = null;
}

And this is how it can be patched,

{
  "Action": "EditData",
  "Target": "shaoib.stardewaccess/AccessibleTileData",
  "Entries": {
    "{{ModId}}": { 
      "Id": "{{ModId}}",
      "MapEntries": [
          {
            "Id": "MapIdentifier1",
            "TileEntries": [
              {
                "X": [64, 63],
                "Y": [43],
                "NameOrTranslationKey": "Yolo",
                "Category": "Decor"
              },
              // and so on
            ]
          },
          // and so on
        }
      ]
    },
  }
}

Are my assumptions correct?

[next plaza]

I mean UE is pretty popular for a raeson, I'm just a hater 😛

[autumn tide]

✨

[drowsy pewter]

no no, dm me, i'll make you whatever mod if you give me money. trust

[woeful lintel]

godot has hot reload now tho

[next plaza]

That was about UE

[next plaza]

can you make me a science-based dragon MMO mod

the deadline is yestermorrow

[woeful lintel]

yeah but godot is C++ too and it has hot reload, so I doubt it's related to the language

[drowsy pewter]

Um...

Sure can!

Invest in my gofundme

[next plaza]

I mean, native hot reload is always trickier than something in a VM like C#.

What I mainly meant by that though is that the main hot reload problems with UE is with the C++ stuff (ie. the blueprint hot reload works fine as far as I know)

I've used it a small amount before, it was painful

[woeful lintel]

oh ok, I see. Never used UE myself, Godot was already useable when I got into game dev

[next plaza]

Not talking about C++ itself

Specifically UE+C++

Most recent time I used it wasn't by choice 😛

(previous job)

I will say that modern UE is much better than ooooold UE

(besides the content baking times)

[woeful lintel]

don't say "CP-ed" that sounds weird... use "patched" instead

[next plaza]

By "ooooold UE", I mean "early versions of UE 3" (I think it was 3 - definitely before 4)

[drowsy pewter]

I liked CP-ed, maybe i'll start saying it

[frosty gate]

lol

[dusky rose]

yes

[woeful lintel]

eugh

[dusky rose]

dm me

for it

[drowsy pewter]

My dms are broken, maybe you should just post your scam link here in chat so the automod can get you

[autumn tide]

always more efficient that way

[drowsy pewter]

I spent all of my modding time today just writing the mod page

[hard fern]

Whats a "dee em"

[next plaza]

It's a dungeon master dragon master

[drowsy pewter]

I can tell someone here really wants to play a science based dragon mmo

[next plaza]

Not me, I prefer my dragons magic-based

[hard fern]

I actually prefer my dragons plant based

[gaunt orbit]

did someone say dragons

[autumn tide]

NO. CARNIVORE DRAGONS.

[tiny zealot]

it's actually not a dragon unless it's carbonated in the dragonne region of france

[autumn tide]

purist 🙄

[gaunt orbit]

if you actually want to be a dragon pedant you start talking about terminology and how it describes their physical configuration

[shut edge]

oh boy wyvern discourse

[woeful lintel]

I'm out

[gaunt orbit]

lol

[hard fern]

What about wyrms

[shut edge]

is a dragon a kaiju

[autumn tide]

I'm in this is peak entertainment

[brittle pasture]

my dragon opinion is that eastern dragons clear those firebreathing overgrown lizards

[ember lily]

[gaunt orbit]

iirc wyrms have wings but no legs

[next plaza]

My first thought when I saw ichor's message

[shut edge]

now what the hell is a drake

[hard fern]

Like the rock?

[gaunt orbit]

salamanders are the opposite; legs but no wings

[autumn tide]

intriguing

[hard fern]

So salad is a dragon

Salamander

[autumn tide]

opinion on fire-breathing?

[shut edge]

behold, a man

[brittle pasture]

(how salamanders got associated with fire is eternally hilarious to me)

[hard fern]

Fire salamander

... Salazzle? 🤔

[shut edge]

are snakes dragons

[gaunt orbit]

I don't think that's usually a factor in classification unless you're talking about literary tradition

[autumn tide]

I mean, isn't the literary tradition still a part of the greater folklore?

[autumn tide]

hmm, I think they gotta have some innate magic to them to be considered dragons imo

[gaunt orbit]

yesn't. serpents are a class of dragon, and serpents are just... snakes. or eels. or anything wriggly like that. but I guess mostly just for particularly fearsome specimens

[hard fern]

What is a snake but a legless, wingless dragon

[autumn tide]

i enjoy this very much

[gaunt orbit]

AMPHIPTERES MY BELOVED

[hard fern]

I like the amphitheatre

[next plaza]

Ah yes, my favorite type of dragon. L o n g

[autumn tide]

this... confuses me

[hard fern]

It's accurate

[brittle pasture]

(for the uninitiated it's because some salamanders nest in wood logs, and when people toss those logs into the fireplace those salamanders understandably get the heck out of dodge, and said people thought that that meant salamanders were born from the fire. now salamanders are associated with fire just as undines, gnomes and sylphs are to water, earth and air)

[autumn tide]

how tf do ampitheres?

[autumn tide]

oh cool!!

[hard fern]

Aren't salamander kinda wet

Or am i thinking about newt

[autumn tide]

where are the feet for them to perch 😭 😭 😭

[autumn tide]

like if they got wings they need some version of feet

[hard fern]

Like spaghetti

[gaunt orbit]

you're not wrong, but like the real-world animal kingdom, classification is messy and not well-defined, and unlike the real world there's no genetics or specific species, so how ccategories work is sort of determined by what factors you're looking at and who you ask

[autumn tide]

hmm true true

I'm prob an outlier in that I think modern folklore is equally as fascinating and important

[next plaza]

The level of detail here makes me 90% sure the author has played or does play that dragon raising web game

[gaunt orbit]

my only objection to this is that dragonet is already used to describe immature dragons, and shouldn't share a name with a classification

[shut edge]

there seem to be many of these charts out there

[autumn tide]

yeah I'm surprised-

[gaunt orbit]

people like worldbuilding and lore

[shut edge]

is ghidora a dragon hm

probably

[autumn tide]

is godzilla a dragon?

I'd say yes

[shut edge]

eh if you want to say dinosaurs are dragons

[autumn tide]

ooh boy several people are typing-

[shut edge]

lol

[hard fern]

Making dragons general

[tiny zealot]

i think it's fun to be almost totally ambivalent about something (dragons, in this case) and to stumble across the world of people who care so, so deeply about it

[next plaza]

What would this dragon be classified as (besides “adorable”)

(This photo has been on my phone since 2016)

[hard fern]

Isnt that a bat

[autumn tide]

the night, duh

[next plaza]

oh, right. duh

[shut edge]

https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Dorat

[hard fern]

Huh

[next plaza]

Don't bats have their arms combined with their wings

[autumn tide]

hmm, I'm not too opinionated on it but i still find the discourse fascinating lol

[autumn tide]

yeah

[tiny zealot]

wow those first few sentences on that embed are a wild ride, huh

[shut edge]

lmao

it's a very odd film

[hard fern]

Oh. Right i forgot cats have legs

[patent lance]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #6728 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/1435291687437205605)

[autumn tide]

that's more like pegasus-esque territory then?

ie animals with wings on top of four limbs

[next plaza]

Every classification chart here has dragons with all those

[gaunt orbit]

I love dragons but I'm firmly in the camp of "this is more fun if everyone has their own ideas and nobody is getting hurt"

[next plaza]

So what you're saying is dragons = lizard pegasi (plural pegasus)

[autumn tide]

hm

hm.

[next plaza]

The dragons may have something to say about that last part

[shut edge]

maybe a pegasus is the result of like a kirin and a dragon breeding

mabybe a griffin was in there too

[gaunt orbit]

[autumn tide]

I'd say that cause wings are analogous to limbs, dragons might not have like dedicated front limbs?

cause dragons are like- idk wing-heavy?

[gaunt orbit]

the interesting thing about pegasi/winged horses is that the greek myth Pegasus was just the one, and that was his name

[autumn tide]

they seem to be more reliant on flight than waling in the media I've seen at least

[tiny zealot]

("pegasus", like "octopus", is greek, not latin)

[autumn tide]

huh, I didn't know that!

OMG centaurs-

[hard fern]

According to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a dragon should be able to fly.
Its wings are too small to get its fat little body off the ground.
The dragon, of course, flies anyway because dragons don't care what humans think is impossible.

[next plaza]

Don't care (also plural octopus is also octopi)

[hard fern]

Octopodes

[next plaza]

I don't make the rules

[brittle pasture]

Labubu

[autumn tide]

ye that's part of the inherent magic of it IMO

[shut edge]

hohoho

[hard fern]

So is the plural for pegasus pegases

[autumn tide]

pegeeese

[shut edge]

should a pegasus have a unicorn horn too tho

[next plaza]

(Some family friends last names are "_____cas", and we also call them "_____cai")

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hmmm

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tis the question

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someone posted the entirety of the bee movie script on tumblr but I can't find it now

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i think they'd still be similar with or without horns, lots of animals have variation in horns among individuals

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I found it on github

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...hm.

why the bee movie script now-

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Ah, my favorite open source program. The bee movie script

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..oh god I'm so glad I was never exposed to the bee movie as a child

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in Friendship is Magic these are called Alicorns. technically that's specific to FiM, but it's gradually being adopted outside of that now due to its former popularity. Alicorn is actually the word for the material of unicorn horns

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that shit would've caused irreversible damage 😭

[hard fern]

Because according to all known laws of aviation-

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huh, cool!

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...

OH

i got it now

[hard fern]

I still can't believe giraffes are real

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IK

They're fucking wild

[shut edge]

have you ever seen giraffes fight

it is bonkers

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they have the same number of vertebrae as us!!!!

it's INSANE

THE SAME NUMBER

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that's so evil

spore creature

[shut edge]

https://tenor.com/view/giraffe-funny-animals-gif-8123151

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[hard fern]

Oh my god

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what

[shut edge]

https://tenor.com/view/giraffe-dragon-lions-fight-gif-5031839

[tiny zealot]

ostrich and hippo are my other nominations for "actually a monster"

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surely this is AI

[shut edge]

also this came up, lol

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omg i gotta send this to my friend they're obsessed with giraffes

[shut edge]

absolutely

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transistion goals tbh

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hippo would destroy us all

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This, on the other hand, looks real

[hard fern]

The humble platypus

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rhino is just a really buff unicorn

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platypi are wild

[shut edge]

there was some plan to farm hippo meat in america

i'm kind of glad we didn't

[tiny zealot]

nah, the platypus is just a little guy. just a little monotreme having a good time

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MERICAAAA

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did you know platypi sweat milk

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no

[hard fern]

YES I DID

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their sweat IS pink though

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also they glow under uv

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FALSE

[tiny zealot]

classic monotreme behavior! the echidna also has milk patches

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NOT TRUE

[hard fern]

They are also bio florescent

Fluorescent

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but ✨ bio✨

but they do not sweat milk, they sweat pink and lack nipples

[hard fern]

Yeah so the milk comes out their skin

Which. Is like adjacent to sweating milk

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yup! just no nipple

[drowsy pewter]

what in the hell is happening here

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ehhh but it is only from their stomachs where the mammary glands are

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important debates

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now quite so odd but opossums are north america's only marsupial. also they have a strong natural resistance to rabies due to their low body temperature

[tiny zealot]

when wren said "sweat" it was a synecdoche for the real thing that is happening