making-mods-general

[floral oxide]

Sorry so just to check to make sure i'm on the right page, because it won't work, it's a better option to just decide to go through another mod like portraiture because it can't load the portraits like that without it?

[hard fern]

Correct

And to add on, if you want to use seasonal portraits, you'll need something like portraiture plus

(it's an addon mod that allows more functionality for portraiture)

[floral oxide]

portraiture plus? :0 i've never heard of that

Thank you so much by the way you've been a big help 😭

[hard fern]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/24534

i think the other mods that can do HD portraits don't need any addons though

and can do the seasonal/location stuff out the box

[devout otter]

Sorry to interject, but you really don't need to use Portraiture if you prefer to make it conventient for users (e.g making it a config option).

[floral oxide]

could you please explain this to me if you don't mind?

[hard fern]

with the amount of people who struggle getting portraiture to work yeah maybe using a different framework would be better

[devout otter]

Basically what you want is to have an config option for users, right? So enable it if they want the HD version, disable it if not?

[floral oxide]

mm! exactly that

[devout otter]

irocendar is making a mod that would make this much more convenient and robust (you may want to look into it whenever that releases). But currently, your option for what you want is between using Spacecore or ScaleUp 2, both with their own pros and cons.

ScaleUp 2 is a bit more taxing, but should be okay if you don't have that many portraits. And less people have it, so people would more likely to need to specifically install it to use your mod.

Spacecore is more popular, so people would more likely to already have it. The largest downside is it's a pain to set up if you portrait has many expressions.

[urban patrol]

you had several mistakes with this; i went through and fixed the formatting and added comments explaining what i did and what you should do. would you like me to send an edited version? also, if you haven't seen it, i highly recommend following tiakall's NPC tutorial

[floral oxide]

I think between those, I'd prefer spacecore?

[floral oxide]

Yes please 😭

Taking all the help and advice I can get

[devout otter]

(Yar, we should tidy up the content.json first before we get into HD portrait shenanigans.)

[urban patrol]

sending it in here because the validator won't preserve in-line comments:

i make no claims as to whether this works or not; i just cleaned it up and fixed some things according to best practice

!npc and in case you haven't seen these

[ocean sail]

Creating a Custom NPC

Keep in mind that making NPCs is a complex process that requires learning many different aspects of Stardew modding.
Here are a few links that can help get you started on all that you need to know:

• Tiakall has a great tutorial on making a custom NPC for 1.6.

• NPCs no longer use dispositions, check the wiki page for the new NPC data.

• Feel free to jump into the https://discord.com/channels/137344473976799233/1277457201077813280 thread for more interactive feedback and help!

• Fireredlily has a WIP NPC Builder Please do report any errors you get with it into the NPC thread!

To use this command, type !npc.

[floral oxide]

OH RIGHT the config schema at the top I see I see

[floral oxide]

Thank you, I hadn't

[urban patrol]

the first link in particular is a godsend

also, what software do you use? i recommend notepad++ or VSC

it will do things like automatically indent and highlight bracket pairs

[floral oxide]

I think I'm just using notepad

[devout otter]

When you've managed to get your NPC appear in-game, portraits and all, feel free to ping if you'd still need help with HD portraits!

[floral oxide]

Thank you so much again, I'll see if I can get there : D

[urban patrol]

yeah notepad will definitely give you a headache haha

!software

[ocean sail]

Here's a list of software for pixel art and JSON text editors we recommend: https://gist.github.com/ishanjalan/c8efb21afa21f74a052293176db107f7

For making SMAPI (C#) mods, see the Requirements section here for which IDE to install https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/Get_Started#Get_started.

To use this command, type !software.

[floral oxide]

Sorry was making rice, I'm back now and I'll take a look

[urban patrol]

oh one last note i forgot to put in a comment: there were a few places i noticed you put your NPC internal name as just Testingplayer instead of {{ModId}}_Testingplayer. make sure it's consistent!

[floral oxide]

OHH should I do that for most places I mention the character name then? :0

[urban patrol]

yes, an NPC's internal name is how the game knows to associate code with a specific entity

this doesn't apply to things like the NPC's name being displayed in another character's dialogue though

or a filename (like Testingplayer_sprite.png)

[hard fern]

eek sorry to interrupt but

is there a way to get an npc to only like items that match specific context tags? not just like. general context tag stuff but lets say i had juice_drink and flavor_green, i want them to only like items with both tags, not just anything that falls under one or the other

[urban patrol]

hmm i wonder if you could do some sort of union. off to CP docs i go

[shadow urchin]

afteri learned how to edit maps i made the debris way less traumatizing for me every farm i like

[hard fern]

the debris lined up single file for you XD

in rows

[urban patrol]

maybe you could set a dynamic token? like {{GreenJuice}} when item has context tag 1 AND context tag two

[hard fern]

what am i doing with the dynamic token though

[shadow urchin]

i always get so stress cleaning debris... making them lined up and dealing with remants of the game helps me a lot

[urban patrol]

wouldn't it resolve as every item that has both those tags? that doesn't feel right hmmm hang on

[uncut viper]

no, you cannot do that unless you assign each item that has both those tags a different third tag

[hard fern]

[urban patrol]

okay wait i think i've got it. create a new context tag and assign it to every item that has both context tags, using a dynamic token i think

ah thank you button

[uncut viper]

a dynamic token wont do this for you

[urban patrol]

darn

[hard fern]

if it were only one or two npcs i had to do this for it would be one thing, but with the entire vanilla town's worth of npcs i might crack

in total i have 3 "base" context tags, and each of those 3 has 4+ options... which then i have to take into account every combination... i glossed over permutations in my math class

[floral oxide]

Already noticing a difference after downloading it, gives me much less of a headache thank you

[woeful lintel]

Sounds like a C# job

[hard fern]

😔

[woeful lintel]

Mixed Tastes Framework time?

[hard fern]

i have never C#'d in my life

[uncut viper]

it wouldnt be difficult C#, at least

[woeful lintel]

I never looked at the part of the code that handle tasted, but I can take a look (and maybe make a prototype) tonight if you're interested

[uncut viper]

if you just want it for this one mod, all you'd need to do is iterate overy every object and check for both tags, then add a third

[hard fern]

i feel like being able to mix context tags in gift tastes to filter out specific items would be really useful

[lucid mulch]

A late edit in c# land would do it very easily

[woeful lintel]

Yeah, of course, but that's very inefficient for many combinations

[lucid mulch]

Most items innately have very few context tags and can short circuit if it's missing the first you cared about

[woeful lintel]

I'm thinking of adding a "mixed taste" asset and check it every time a gift is given.

Could be very efficient with the right data struct

[lucid mulch]

Doing the work every gift taste vs doing it once*

[uncut viper]

you'd need to do the same check during the gifting that you'd do during the iteration anyway

[lucid mulch]

Also less composable and has increased chance of incompatibility with other mods harmony patching gift taste stuff

[uncut viper]

the only real benefit you'd get is supporting auto-generated context tags, but i dont think those are really first in mind when thinking about gift tag tastes regardless

[woeful lintel]

I'm sure there is a better way than adding a bunch of context tags on the concerned items.

[lucid mulch]

Context tags is the vanilla mechanism for describing attributes that systems like gift taste works

And stuff like lookup anything or any of the many other UI mods will just work automatically

[woeful lintel]

YeahI know

[lucid mulch]

As you aren't fighting against vanilla systems but working with them

[woeful lintel]

I doubt everything checking context tags uses a general method that could be patched for everything?

[uncut viper]

there are many things that check item context tags, but not all of them have to do with gift tastes

[lucid mulch]

Don't need to patch any methods, just populate the data model

[uncut viper]

there is one method that a lot of things use for it, but mods can ofc use different ways too

[lucid mulch]

It just can't easily be done in cp as cp isn't allowed to know the before state.
But a c# mod editing data/objects can

[woeful lintel]

Ok, now I'm thinking about if it's only usefull to do a logical AND or if other operations could be useful

For gift tastes, it's already doing an OR over all the tasted

[uncut viper]

well an OR is what we already can do so you can cross that one off

[woeful lintel]

Yeah

[uncut viper]

i dont remember, do context tag gift tastes support !?

[woeful lintel]

I'm always thinking about the worst case, like what if someone wants to do a AND (b OR c) ?

[uncut viper]

thats where prepopulating the model with context tags from an iteration would work

you would just do B or C first and then whatever context tag thats a result of would be put next to A

[woeful lintel]

Yeah, I gave up on another system, because of compat and everything

[slow basin]

im thinking in order to reduce creating the laggiest mod ever im going to split one of my mods up into a series

[woeful lintel]

I'm thinking about a funny way to do combine conditions in json. Cuz a string parser would be too simple.

[slow basin]

miainly because even though im making a mod for just the main characters of a special interest of mine thats still like 30ish characters and idk if thats be crazy laggy or not

[hard fern]

just look at rsv

50+

[woeful lintel]

Seems like it's mostly a lot of data

[slow basin]

oh thats how many there are O_O

nvm i might be fine

.>

lemme count the characters i need to make actually

about 50ish main characters (i odo not plan on releasing this for awhile tbf)

its like a little passion project

[devout otter]

(I think it's a good idea to split your mod anyway if you have a clear and convenient way to divide it, so you wouldn't get overwhelmed.)

[slow basin]

true hmm

[hard fern]

i know you were working on animals? (not sure if that's part of the mod or not) but you could split that from like, the npcs and stuff

[slow basin]

🙂‍↕️

i have a few animals im working on

i like hopping around my projects so i dont get burnt out

[devout otter]

Personally, I thrive on people's reactions to my mod, so my mod release strategy is usually to release the core of it (feature-complete things that I'm proud to show off) and then update it with more content over time.

[urban patrol]

if you’re doing a homestuck themed mod, i would keep it all as one mod to avoid accusations of DP farming

[hard fern]

homestuck...

[slow basin]

ok ill keep it all as one 🙂‍↕️

i actually just made a blog dedicated to it 😄

so i can keep track of things and share updates without spamming a bunch of hs in here

[dusky sail]

It can be one mod but with the characters still split up so its like ok this is the 1.0 with 4 characters. 2.0 will have 10. Etc etc etc

Like by updating with new content i mean

[slow basin]

ic ic

things im considering besides just characters/locations

• lusii farm animals

• some clothes? like everyones sign, maybe some horns and dirk and daves shades

id do festivals but i heard u need c# for that or something and i dont wanna

maybe if i ever get help from someone who WANTS to do that but for now it will not be happeningwqflkdj or if i ever wanna try to learn but that sounds painful XD

[urban patrol]

wdym? adding characters to festivals doesn’t require C#, but creating events where you can walk around and interact (which is what festivals are under the hood) probably does

you can look at how RSV adds their custom festivals

which i believe are passive and don’t need C#

[slow basin]

Hm passive?

[urban patrol]

like the night market

[slow basin]

O

huh ok maybe there will be festivals lmao

[lucid mulch]

iirc you can make active festivals entirely in data, but I think lewis needs to be host

[slow basin]

🤔 interesting

[woeful lintel]

Omfg, I started reading it last week, it already cost me an all nighter...

[shut edge]

Cursed mod idea: dynamic skin tanning based on time spent outdoors

Could call it farmer's tan

[woeful lintel]

@slow basin if you need C# on this project at some point, I should be able to help.

[slow basin]

i appreciate it! if i run into anything ill be sure to ask for your guidance !

[tough root]

Hello Guys !

Any idea where to find the Artifact Spot assets in the unpacked files ?

[drowsy pewter]

loosesprites cursors i thinn

[tough root]

Many Thanks

[fossil osprey]

Of course it's cursors

[shut edge]

It usually is

[dusky sail]

Its always either cursors or springobjects

[floral oxide]

Hey everyone, sorry to interrupt, just have a question here. Looking at the Seasonal Outfits tutorial on https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Adding_Seasonal_Outfits_via_Appearances
This website here, but i'm just wondering, do i have to do this load command for every outfit? or is there a way to load multiple at one? Lets say there's NPCname_Spring_Indoor and NPCname_Spring_Outdoor. Will these need their own commands each like this

or can you add multiple to that one?

[vernal crest]

You can load them in one patch using the TargetWithoutPath token, which takes the asset name given for the Target after any forward slashes. Name your files the same thing that you want their asset name to be. Here's an example.

My file names would be Abagaianye.HiriaNPC_Hiria.png, Abagaianye.HiriaNPC_Hiria_Beach.png, and Abagaianye.HiriaNPC_Hiria_Summer.png. Make sure you include your mod id as a prefix for the asset names and for your NPC's internal name so you can ensure they are unique.

{
    "LogName": "Load textures",
    "Action": "Load",
    "Target": "Portraits/{{ModId}}_Hiria, Portraits/{{ModId}}_Hiria_Beach, Portraits/{{ModId}}_Hiria_Summer",
    "FromFile": "assets/images/{{TargetWithoutPath}}.png"
},

[floral oxide]

i think i get it, thank you so much for showing me an example, so mine might be something similar like

{
    "LogName": "Load Seasonal Textures",
    "Action": "Load",
    "Target": "Portraits/{{ModId}}_Vivellion, Portraits/{{ModId}}_Vivellion_Winter_Outdoor, Portraits/{{ModId}}_Vivellion_Winter_Indoor",
    "FromFile": "assets/images/{{TargetWithoutPath}}.png"
},

[vernal crest]

As long as your portrait files were in assets/images, yup. If they're in a different folder you can just adjust the FromFile field.

[floral oxide]

OH right, so if i split portraits and sprites as subfolders in the images file it would be this for portraits

"FromFile": "Assets/images/portraits/{{targertWithoutPath}}.png"

And Sprites, assuming- do you use the same thing for sprites as well?

"FromFile": "Assets/images/sprites/{{targertWithoutPath}}.png"

[vernal crest]

Yup, you can do it for any images or map files that you load

[floral oxide]

Thank you so much for helping me this server has been nothing but great to me for advice, i really appreciate it

[vernal crest]

You're welcome!

[floral oxide]

oh! one more question just to make sure as well

these bits of code, do they go in the content.json?

[vernal crest]

That's up to you. You can put every piece of json in your mod into your content.json if you want to, but if you find that gets too big and overwhelming you can split it up into different files using Include patches*. As far as Content Patcher is concerned they are the same thing - it will read the content of the additional files as though they were in the content.json.

* you can also, later, do some amount of templating with Includes and can do stuff like put all your compatibility patches for other mods inside an Include with a HasMod check for the relevant mod so the code inside won't try to run if the mod isn't installed, but that is all extra stuff that your mod does not need to function

[floral oxide]

I'll keep that in mind for sure :0 thank you again

[eager mural]

Heyy I'm very new to stardew modding and I got a question, this is my first time writing a CP and I'm a bit confused by the wiki
I'm looking to create a new area in the game that is detatched from the main map in order to keep it compatable with mods that change the map shape by using Central Station as the way to get there, but what I'm stuck over atm is how to create my map. Looking at the wiki it says about unpacking the map's XNB to edit the map but I'm not editting it? Do I just use Tiled and load the tilesheet I want to use and then go crazy from there or what's the steps for this?

[drowsy pewter]

The most efficient way actually is just to grab a vanilla map file and make a copy of it, then turn it into your own map! You can even delete everything and make it your own

It just ensures that all the metadata and stuff is already set up to work for you

Make sure to unpack the entire game's files with the xnb unpacker so you have access to all the tilesheets!

[vernal crest]

The maps page of the wiki does have step by step instructions for how to get started (which is unusual for the official wiki) but yes, you do need to unpack the game first so you have access to the vanilla maps to copy

[dusky sail]

YESSSSSSSSSSS

ok now i just have to adjust the spawnrates

[drowsy pewter]

why adjust them

looks fine to me

[dusky sail]

adding in a condition so if it detects 6480 is playing it changes the spawnrate to be 1000x

[drowsy pewter]

are those mushrooms?

[dusky sail]

yea

[drowsy pewter]

i do love weird mushrooms

also have you been context tagging all your items?

[dusky sail]

yeah but i never know what tags to add besides like. color or the "edible_mushroom" tag

[drowsy pewter]

for evil cooking purposes i am urging mod authors to use <name>_item tags like chanterelle_item, carrot_item, lettuce_item

but if theyre made up items its a little harder so its fine

do you have the color chart?

[dusky sail]

yes!! after i saw this for the first time i went back through and edited the color tags for all my items

[drowsy pewter]

Oh thank god that means people are actually seeing it without me having to be the one to post it

[dusky sail]

who knows maybe it was you who posted it then

[drowsy pewter]

probably

[dusky sail]

i will go through and add some <name>_item tags to the real-enough items in my mods. for you

and your evil cooking purposes

[drowsy pewter]

yesss

root_vegetable_item and leafy_green_item are two more general ones that might also be applicable

[eager mural]

Sorry weird question, what if I want to use a tilesheet thats not the stardew regular one? What if im intending to use like Lumisteria's tilesheets etc

Like just same process and just upload a different tilesheet?

[dusky sail]

why must the english language be ambiguous in whether "pepper" means the spice or the type of fruit...

[vernal crest]

Use irocendar's tilesheet extension to select the tilesheet from inside the mod folder (so it stays in its correct folder but you don't get tilesheet climbing errors). But in terms of beginning, you'd still want to start with a vanilla map, yes. Just delete any tilesheets from it that you don't want to use.

[vernal crest]

Even better, peppercorns are also fruit!

[dusky sail]

[drowsy pewter]

i use the tag chili_item

[dusky sail]

but what about the soupish cooked dish also called chili

what then

(being pedantic for fun)

[drowsy pewter]

i mean it would be really funny if you could substitute that in a recipe

[vernal crest]

Here's the instructions for the tilesheet extension: #making-mods-general message
And the file to download: #1399862293331972246 message

[drowsy pewter]

dont tell anyone but jelly beans are a substitute for any bean

[floral oxide]

Hey, sorry to frequent here so often guys, i've finished with the content file but I'm getting these errors popping up in Smapi

https://smapi.io/json/none/cd099537455842ff88094bf1eecd17a5

Here is the link to the JSON, I'm honestly unsure where to begin and how to fix what's gone wrong, can i have some help if someone wouldn't mind at all? Sorry to interupt in here

[vernal crest]

You didn't finish your file properly. Looks like you're missing the closing square bracket for the Changes Block before the final closing curly bracket

You should make sure of N++'s json plugins to help you fix your indentation. That can make it easier to spot when you have bracket or nesting problems.

[vernal crest]

By the way, my responses earlier (#making-mods-general message, #making-mods-general message) were to you. I forgot to reply.

[floral oxide]

json plugins? :0

[vernal crest]

Yeah, go to the plugins menu and search for json. There's json viewer and json...tools, maybe?

[floral oxide]

I don't have any Json plugins showing, sorry

[vernal crest]

You can't see them in my list because I already have them both installed but you should have them there.

[floral oxide]

So this first image is the start to the changes, and this is how it's ended but i'm still getting the error that says Invalid property identifier character: ]. Path 'Changes[8].Entries', line 192, position 1, you mentioned a curly bracket, is there another one i'm missing that should go after? :0

[floral oxide]

OH i pressed the wrong thing, that makes sense now

[vernal crest]

Oh, the indentation misled me as to which brackets were missing. I thought it was just the square bracket but yes, you are missing another curly bracket after the closing square bracket

[floral oxide]

i swear I'm just going in circles, thank you for being patient with me, now it looks like this, but i'm still getting that 😭

Line 192 is the ]

[vernal crest]

Looks like you were missing two curly brackets, one before and one after the square bracket

I should always just put the json into VSC and fix it myself with things like this before I reply. I can never find all the problems trying to look at the json validator.

The end should look like this

[floral oxide]

oh- do they have to be staggered like that? :0

[vernal crest]

Sorry for not just checking properly in the first place

Not for the computer's sake, no. But that proper indentation lets us humans read it properly

[floral oxide]

that's okay, this is all new to me i can't thank you enough

[vernal crest]

Hence why I was encouraging you to get the json plugin so it will fix yours and it will be easier to read

[brave elbow]

hi everyone! Im kind of new to stardew modding and I wanted to know if is possible to get NPCs responding to a player given gift... Like no just dialogue. You gift them something, and they fire an event, give you another item, open a new area, whatever 😅

[vernal crest]

It's much harder to tell that all your appearance patches are inside the Entries field, for example, when the brackets for them are on the same level as the EditData patch instead of indented

[floral oxide]

what options do you have enabled for your plugins that make it easier for you personally while looking at JSON files?

[floral oxide]

so, sort of move them further across?

[vernal crest]

Yup you can use the AcceptGift_<item id> dialogue key and then use dialogue commands like $action inside those to do things like that

[vernal crest]

I use the plugin called "throw Notepad++ away and use Visual Studio Code instead" lol

[floral oxide]

OHHAHA

[vernal crest]

Yes, and they should've been doing that automatically when you hit enter to go to the next line because N++ is supposed to have automatic line indenting. I recommend using the tab key. But if you either switch to VSC or install one of those plugins that I said, you can use the auto format function

[floral oxide]

I did notice your brackets come up in colour, do they indicate anything depending on the colour type?

[brave elbow]

thanks! Im trying to learn from the wiki

[vernal crest]

They're just paired by colour to help identify which brackets are for which block. The colours indicate what level the code is at. Level refers to how nested inside other code it is (technically json isn't code though it's a data format).

[vernal crest]

That's the right place to be. If my wiki page ever loads I can point you to the commands I was referring to.

[brave elbow]

I think I got them

[vernal crest]

This is the auto format option for json tools, by the way. It will move all your brackets and stuff to the right places. It will also tell you there were a bunch of errors but that's just because it doesn't like commas with nothing else after them (trailing commas) and it doesn't like comments. But we use a less strict form of JSON that does allow both of those things so we can ignore the errors.

[tiny zealot]

(grousing) stardew's font handling is cursed, why did i try to do this

[floral oxide]

oh wow this seems helpful will it also correct how everything after entries on mine should be moved across or is that a manual thing i'll have to do?

[gray bear]

u wanted to experiment

[vernal crest]

It fixes all of it

I prefer VSC and tend to recommend it over N++ or Sublime because I think it has more useful features for newbies and its auto indentation seems more robust to me. I also like having my rainbow indentation and coloured brackets. N++ doesn't seem to have any way to have coloured brackets (that change according to level, anyway)

I also always recommend that people get very familiar with their auto format keyboard shortcut and use it aggressively

(I may have a slight pet peeve about sloppy formatting lol)

[patent lance]

New quote added by atravita as #6668 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/1424745024402231450)

[calm nebula]

I say this about everything

[tiny zealot]

atra how dare you make light of my foibles /lh

[calm nebula]

This is cursed, what am I doing, why am I doing this

[patent lance]

New quote added by cosmicbea as #6669 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/1424747328149127309)

[floral oxide]

that's alright, i'm just trying to find the one you've got? there's a lot when i look it up, but i have no idea which one

[tiny zealot]

(aba asked for macrons, and i have difficulty solving a problem narrowly)

unfortunately, solving the problem broadly is getting fucky /lh

[vernal crest]

There are only two with json in their name. JSON Tools and JSON Viewer, like I said. I was showing you JSON Tools but JSON Viewer does basically the same thing.

[vernal crest]

I'm so high maintenance

[tiny zealot]

it's not you
it's stardew. a cruel mistress

[gray bear]

i also have this one but idk if it's needed

stardew mean

[lucid mulch]

very much not needed

[gray bear]

uninstalled. jsontools seems cool

[vernal crest]

That is not the right program Bea. It's also very odd because VSC very much has native json support. Is it really old or something?

[gray bear]

it sure is, i should start reading things

[vernal crest]

Don't be tempted by json tools. You don't need to switch to a less useful program lol

[lucid mulch]

looking at the extension page it isn't directly json support anyway, its sidebar stuff to navigate a json file

[vernal crest]

I tried to look at it but it's not in VSCodium's marketplace and I wasn't invested enough to google it lol

[lucid mulch]

but yes, json is included in vscode out of the box.
it is internally an extension, but not shipped through the marketplace(s)

https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/tree/main/extensions/json-language-features

[gray bear]

what's the debugger for firefox plugin thing

plugin goes brrr

[vernal crest]

I know not of what you speak

[iron ridge]

firefox extensions?

or remote debugging via websocket for devtools

[gray bear]

vsocde is saying this

[calm nebula]

Mom: "so, atra, you ARE going to put the oven back together, yes?"

[lucid mulch]

does what it says on the tin, opens up a firefox window and links the devtools instance to vscode so you can use vscode breakpoint debugging rather than doing it inside firefox devtools window directly

[gray bear]

fancy

[lucid mulch]

there is also one for chrome, edge and probably others

[vernal crest]

This is not related to your syntax, but I have just noticed that your NPC's internal name appears to be just Vivellion which means none of your patches with a Target of {{ModId}}_Vivellion will work. You will need to adjust the internal name in the Data/Characters patches to be {{ModId}}_Vivellion as well.

[floral oxide]

AHHHH WE DID IT!!!

[vernal crest]

I wonder why that keeps happening with people making new NPCs

[floral oxide]

ohhhhhhh

[vernal crest]

It's not Tia's fault, they've clearly got the mod it token for Wren's internal name in their tutorial

[vernal crest]

Are you following a tutorial for the overall creation of your NPC?

[gray bear]

common new modder mistake really

[floral oxide]

yeah 😭

[vernal crest]

The use of disposition definitely indicates a tutorial

[vernal crest]

What tutorial?

[floral oxide]

https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Making_a_Custom_NPC

this one here

[vernal crest]

Yeah but it's the inconsistency that gets me. Using mod id token in some places but not the NPC internal name.

[vernal crest]

Okay, that's Tia's so it does have the mod id token. May I ask why you decided to remove it?

(I am asking to see if there's a way we can improve our resources, not for blame)

[lucid mulch]

I'm going to scream seeing a tutorial still recommend calling a file dispos.json

[vernal crest]

Maybe you should ask Tia if you can change it lol

[lucid mulch]

also under seasonal outfits is straight up invalid json with a missing quotation mark

[gray bear]

file dispos are needed for 1.5 npcs no?

oh wait

[vernal crest]

In the tutorial or King's json?

Oh, tutorial

Yeah I'll fix that one. I obviously missed that last time I did a check for broken json there

[gray bear]

something happened with that json

what even were dispositions

[floral oxide]

I- actually you make a good point, I can't see why, it must have just been an honest mistake of mine? I went back and re-read it all and noticed that it does have {{ModId}} before it all, hoenstly i can only say maybe i skipped over it because when i read it i tend to skip through whats in the curly brackets mentally knowing what's in it?

Then when i go to type it out i must only remember 'NPCname' and put the name there😭

I find it really odd reredaing it now going 'where did i get it from' I can't honestly see it, it must have just been an honest slip up on my part :0

[gray bear]

NPC internal name and NPC display name are two different things

[vernal crest]

That's fair enough, thank you for the detailed explanation. Lots of new modmakers do skip over tokens because they don't know what they are.

[floral oxide]

would you put the internal name even for things like

"LogName": "Vivellion Dialogue",

[tiny zealot]

logname is just for you and isn't fed to the game

[vernal crest]

The old character data for NPCs. They were in a dispositions asset before 1.6.

[gray bear]

oooh

[vernal crest]

No, log name is just so that it's easier to identify what each patch is doing when you're troubleshooting. It doesn't affect the game in any way. It's most useful to have a descriptive title in there that will help you know which part of your file to look for if you get an error in your log or are looking through your patch summary.

[gray bear]

first one is internal name which is just the ID of the npc, really, need it to edit any of their fields. second one is how they're refered to in the game

internal name is just an ID no? am i mistaken? wahh

[tiny zealot]

these days i like to think of logname as like the ctrl-f codes that people would put in their extremely long text file walkthroughs on gamefaqs

[devout otter]

I mean I don't see what's wrong in putting your NPC data in a file called dispos.json. It's just personal organization, yar? I have mine in content.json in one mod. And separated into several character-named .json in another mod.

[lucid mulch]

also under "changes from 1.5", it is content patcher keeping old content patcher packs working not smapi, and "the old 1.5 dispositions will still work" only if format version stays <2.0
and with the version of cp that actually shipped, I don't think it actually has the token constraint on birthday.
That constraint was true for my original prototypes, but the version pathos ended up using wouldn't

[gray bear]

name of the json doesn't matter much, no

[vernal crest]

Yes it is an ID

[dusky sail]

figuring out one modding problem only to immeidately find another oh yeah baby thats what i do this for. im going to bed

[gray bear]

have a good sleep!

[tiny zealot]

having the character file called "dispos.json" is a trap street so we know at a glance which tutorial a person followed 😌

[patent lance]

New quote added by atravita as #6670 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/1424752824469819392)

[calm nebula]

Brb, making a mod that uses the wrong file names for everything

[gray bear]

atra nooooooo

[calm nebula]

All npcs are in "blank.json"

[gray bear]

what are the blanks called

[calm nebula]

Enjoy utils.cs being the modentry

[vernal crest]

It's bad enough that people don't understand blanks and sometimes load them over vanilla assets

[lucid mulch]

My genuine advise is everything stays in content.json unless you use local token includes

[calm nebula]

"gifts.json" is actually all dialogue

And quests are in "hacks.json"

[floral oxide]

HAHSH it's me, i fell into the trap

[gray bear]

hacks.json,,,

we need a "when to use a blank json?"

[vernal crest]

Now that I have started using ASCII to give myself a way to find all the sections in my json I am preferring all in content.json. I'm sure giant ascii art in my files is a different sort of crime though lol

[lucid mulch]

most content patcher mods aren't actually big enough to need to leave content.json but splitting the npc creation process across like 10 files as a "introduction to stardew modding" is a recipe for disaster

[gray bear]

the crime is pretty

[devout otter]

(My Mermaid mod has all its dialogue in default.json. >_> )

[gray bear]

(that's where dialouge is tho)

[vernal crest]

I have not yet been converted to the idea of multiple i18n files

[devout otter]

(The dialogue has no i18n key.)

[gray bear]

[lucid mulch]

I'm also team screw i18n, LocalizeText all the time so it also can be in content.json

[vernal crest]

You are very welcome to make your own NPC creation tutorial too! :)

[gray bear]

i'll die on the i18n hill

[vernal crest]

I am investigating switching over from i18n to LocalizedText

I have to figure out how to do everything in it before I commit

[tender bloom]

I’ve done both somehow

I think

[gray bear]

see i find it's easier to learn new things when there's, a tutorial

[lucid mulch]

not needing to deal with remembering to pass tokens into the parameters of i18n for staticy stuff when the strings edit can just use tokens directly is great

[gray bear]

i want to understand that means, truly, i fear i cannot

[vernal crest]

I did have a weird situation with LocalizedText where my random dialogue wasn't updating properly, but then when I tried to check it again to verify it was mysteriously not happening

[gray bear]

game trolling u

[devout otter]

Portraits for Extras uses LocalizedText with i18n keys.

[lucid mulch]

...that sounds miserable

[gray bear]

how is this sorcery achieved

[lucid mulch]

why would you want the keys to change with language

[gray bear]

bc, other languages exist? 😭

[vernal crest]

Yeah I know I lurked on you and chu doing it all haha. I also dipped my toes into chu's approach for that but decided I prefer SinZ's recommendation to avoid i18n entirely.

[tiny zealot]

LocalizedText is fine and good but unless and until it catches on broadly i would include a note for potential translators so they know where to edit your strings

[drowsy pewter]

npc creation other stuff other stuff other stuff as an introduction to stardew modding is a recipe for disaster

[gray bear]

pls do anything else first

[tiny zealot]

it also likely isn't worth the effort to convert an old mod using i18n over to it unless you're already overhauling everything

[calm nebula]

Look, I dont think you understand fanfiction authors

[devout otter]

Yeah I just want to make it still easy for translators.

[gray bear]

i18n hasn't wronged me, i have wronged it

[calm nebula]

I once spent half a day researching computing in the 1970s for a Harry Potter fanfiction

[gray bear]

i- have questions

[lucid mulch]

LocalizedText is in many ways the most pure way, as its straight up following vanillas homework, and an unpack shows plenty of examples of how to use it

[gray bear]

jokes on u i dislike how vanilla does things sometimes

[lucid mulch]

The only harry potter fanfiction I know is hpmor and I plan on keeping it that way, though it does talk about computing in the 60's I think for artificial intelligence

[vernal crest]

Many people can't look at vanilla and understand what it's doing

[lucid mulch]

if you cant understand vanilla, you are doomed as a modder anyway.
you need to know the asset you intend on editing

[vernal crest]

Although I am definitely on board with LocalizedText, I do intend to leave any potential translators very detailed notes and probably a template for how to do it

[vernal crest]

Tell that to all the mods out there made by people who had no idea what they were doing lol

[drowsy pewter]

im so confused by this entire conversation

[gray bear]

im lost in the sauce

[calm nebula]

Aren't we all

Anyways, gotta go make money baiiiiiiu

[gray bear]

i understand how vanilla does things, i just don't do it the same. i dun wanna

may u have a swift workday atra

[calm nebula]

It will be a swift workday ||as in listening to Taylor Swift right?????||

[gray bear]

i meant it goes by fast but that works too

[vernal crest]

-sigh- why is drawing so slow compared to writing json

[devout otter]

What's a simplest way a translator can do to upload a translation mod for a pure LocalizedText mod?

[gray bear]

writing json tends to be atleast a bit more straight forward

art is like, do i use this color? is this line okay? but what if-

and there's no correct answer, really

[vernal crest]

Download a template and edit only the values in the content.json and manifest.json that the mod author has indicated, I think

[lucid mulch]

EditData on the various Strings asset(s) with late priority

[devout otter]

It's the worst. I move a pixel to the right and to the left in my mods with every upload.

[vernal crest]

But if the mod author has not provided a template, they have to be able to look through the original mod and identify what to edit and how

[gray bear]

and can never decided whenever it looks better on the left or right

[lucid mulch]

which is an advantage over i18n which has to be internal to the mod, so translation mods tend to just ship a (usually outdated) copy of the original mod, while LocalizeText the translations are just an addon to the original mod

[gray bear]

they don't do that anymore

[vernal crest]

We are really moving away from the copy of the mod thing

[gray bear]

i18n files are also addons

[vernal crest]

Most of the translations I see now are i18n

[lucid mulch]

if I have to manually move files between folders, its immediate disqualification for me anyway

[gray bear]

i wish people would just use the same format so it's just drag and drop

[lucid mulch]

I refuse to touch any mods that require portraiture for that reason.
if stardrop cant handle it end to end its not a real mod

[gray bear]

but generally speaking u just put files into the i18n folder

i mean it's not that bad, i'd say

[drowsy pewter]

i think theres an issue in the small number of people in the middle of the venn diagram between "people who have the ability, time, and want to translate mods" and "people with the experience and knowledge to write basic cp mods"

[gray bear]

[drowsy pewter]

so i see whats being said but theres an activation cost essentially

[devout otter]

I imagine it would get messy when the pure LocalizedText mod gets a mod that changes its text. And then that other mod gets a translation mod.

[lucid mulch]

shame project fluent https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/12638 never fully took off

[devout otter]

LIke I'm imagining something Romanceable Rasmodia on top of Romanceable Rasmodius on top of SVE on top of vanilla, but each has LocalizedText with no i18n and each with its own translations.

[drowsy pewter]

sounds great, when are you publishing that?

[gray bear]

it's a big leap between "making a single json file" and "understanding how to use LocalizedText, making an entire mod"

[gray bear]

feb 30th

[vernal crest]

I would like all the wizards to be stacked on each other's shoulders

[gray bear]

wait that's the wrong month

[gray bear]

the true wizard tower

[lucid mulch]

no update tracking though as its not a mod

[gray bear]

it's not a mod, it's a translation

[vernal crest]

Why would that be an issue? The latest one to edit the dialogue asset (for example) would be the one whose string asset was chosen, so the translation for that asset would be seen.

[vernal crest]

Still helpful to know if it's been updated though

[tiny zealot]

one nice feature of using localizedtext is you get to skip running reload_i18n before patch reload /lh

[lucid mulch]

unless you are pathos who populates the strings asset with i18n, so needs it anyway

[gray bear]

ichor do u know how to use loalizedtext

[tender bloom]

What if you store all your localized text in a mod-specific file?

[vernal crest]

That is what I am doing

[tender bloom]

And then let translators Load it

A small crime but maybe a lesser crime

[gray bear]

i do like crimes

[lucid mulch]

problem with load over editdata, is 1) tokens no longer exist, and 2) no fallback on specific entry keys anymore

[devout otter]

Determining load priority between mods with different authors is always an issue.

[vernal crest]

I don't see how using localized text would change that though. It's just changing where the translation is stored.

[tiny zealot]

more or less, but i haven't done it much

[vernal crest]

Unless you are imagining that they are overwriting each other in a vanilla strings asset, I guess

[lucid mulch]

the only real change with i18n vs localizetext in a modding capacity, is with i18n a separate mod can only replace where the i18n is used with something else.
localizetext they can either replace the usage, or edit the strings asset powering it.

[vernal crest]

Hmm I had forgotten I will still want CP tokens inside the translation text, I guess I will need to change to EditData

Wait. I am a forgetful genius! I already am doing EditData

[gray bear]

[vernal crest]

I am not sold on the rainbow indent package for Sublime, I have to say

[gray bear]

so like, does the translator just need a mod with editdata to add translations

[vernal crest]

Yep

[devout otter]

I mean, without clear priority, the Polish translation for SVE may show instead of Romanceable Rasmodia's, right?

[vernal crest]

Only if they were going to regardless of LocalizedText, because if Rasmodia was correctly loading after SVE it would replace the SVE lines with its own lines and they would point at the Rasmodia strings asset just like it would point at the Rasmodia i18n asset.

Totally made up example:

// Vanilla Characters/Dialogue/Wizard line
"Mon": "I'm such a grumpy old wizard."

// SVE edit to that in Characters/Dialogue/Wizard
"Mon": "[LocalizedText SVE.Strings:WizardyMon]"

// Rasmodia edit on top of that again in Characters/Dialogue/Wizard
"Mon": "[LocalizedText Rasmodia.Strings:SexyWizardyMon]"

[soft granite]

If i have an event that takes place when the farmer walks outside the farmhouse, how do i know where the farmhouse is if the farmhouse’s location varies?

[gray bear]

SexyWizardlyMon

[lucid mulch]

from memory farm events are magic and offsets the coordinates or something, but would need to look at vanilla farm events to confirm

[gray bear]

farm events do their own thing

which i know nothing about

see Events/Farm to maybe help ya. most of them are just next to the farmhouse

[soft granite]

Hmm so if i already have an event that i have coded place the farmer just outside of the farmhouse’s door, i should expect it to still work even if the farmhouse moved?

[devout otter]

I'm thinking more of a case like this. ```// Vanilla Characters/Dialogue/Wizard line
"Mon": "I'm such a grumpy old wizard."

// SVE edit to that in Characters/Dialogue/Wizard
"Mon": "[LocalizedText SVE.Strings:WizardyMon]"

// German translation to SVE.Strings
"WizardyMon": "Ich bin so ein mürrischer alter Zauberer namens Magnus."

// Rasmodia version of SVE.Strings
"WizardyMon": "I'm such a sexy witch."```

[gray bear]

keys would need to be different no?

[devout otter]

I mean, one of great advantage of using LocalizedText is that you don't have to search for the asset the text is located and can just target the same key.

[lucid mulch]

looks like event initialization when its a farm, as long as the magic 4th initialization isn't "ignoreEventTileOffset" or magic eventid -2 then the following happens:

camera position gets moved to the front door position as long as it wasn't x < -1000

non-farmer characters get set to frontdoor position X, and Y+2, and facing direction of 0
farmer as long as the x isn't -1 get set to frontdoor position X and Y+1 and has facing direction of 2

[gray bear]

so where the farmhouse is doesn't really matter

[lucid mulch]

correct

though Im guessing the only event that might dare use ignoreEventTileOffset is the intro, which is before the player had a chance to move the house anyway

[vernal crest]

Hmm, in the context of something like dialogue this wouldn't make sense to me because I don't know why you'd target the translation key instead of the dialogue key, but for an event it does make more sense. In that case, I guess it would be important for the Rasmodia translations to run later than the SVE one. But I don't see that that is necessarily more of a hassle than the approach with i18n where one has to edit the event itself to change the translation key to something else. I do see that the hybrid LocalizedText/i18n approach might be most useful in this situation though

This has been a handy conversation for helping me try to predict the possible issues with switch to LocalizedText, thanks

[autumn tide]

hellooo uhh is this written correctly?
"Mon": "{{i18n: i18n_Dialog.Krobus.Generic_Sewer.0h.{{Random:{{Range: 1, 15}}}}",

the sheer amount of curly brackets-

[round timber]

looks like you might be missing another set of brackets on the end

[devout otter]

6 opening brackets, 4 closing brackets.

[autumn tide]

oh?

damn okay, so many brackets-

uh, where should i place the new brackets then?

[round timber]

two closing brackets at the end

every opening bracket needs to have a closed bracket counterpart

[autumn tide]

alr, so {{i18n: i18n_Dialog.Krobus.Generic_Sewer.0h.{{Random:{{Range: 1, 15}}}}}}

[round timber]

yes

[autumn tide]

okayy

ty

[round timber]

is it not possible to conditionally hide an NPC from NPC Map Locations? i tried doing it but that just made the NPC invisible all the time

[devout otter]

I've tried to do the same but unfortunately it seems the change would not apply until you restart the game.

[round timber]

pathos pls fix

[vernal crest]

It works if you actually make the npc invisible and from what I remember from the code it runs the checks at the same time so I would've thought they would change the next day

I might just be misremembering though because it's been a...year...since I looked at it and I was only investigating invisible NPCs

[round timber]

hm... where should i look for more info about invisible NPCs?

[vernal crest]

Trigger actions!

It leaves them there but makes them invisible and non-interactable. If you know where they are you can still Lookup Anything them though

Elliott uses it when he goes off on his book tour

He's actually still lurking in the farmhouse the whole time

Like Bruno

[round timber]

ah... can you not do it so that theyre invisible for an indefinite amount of time? like, until you watch a certain event

[vernal crest]

Yeah you'd just set the days really high

And then set them visible again with another trigger action

[round timber]

i see i see

i shall experiment

[vernal crest]

Here's a set of trigger actions I have for Hiria so she "goes" to the dentist. I might switch it to a warp room later but I had fun experimenting with the different BETAS and Spacecore features lol

In Hiria's case I just set her invisible for 1 day because I was bringing her back after a couple of hours on the same day anyway

But I have tested and you can do like 9999

[round timber]

yeah my tent map already acts as a warp room (because the map patch that leads to the tent will disappear sometimes) so id rather not make a whole other room if i can

[vernal crest]

However, NPC map locations only updates overnight so she's still visible on the map for her dentist visit I'm pretty sure

But if you need an NPC to be gone for entire days it works fine

It was my first ever PR!

[round timber]

yeah Honeyfuggle is going to be gone for entire weeks so hopefully this works for my purposes

[vernal crest]

(Pathos had to make it better of course but it was still a big step for me to identify and fix an issue in a C# mod hehehe)

(And work up the courage to ask Pathos about it lol)

[vernal crest]

I hope so too! Otherwise we're back to poking Pathos with a big stick

[whole raptor]

Fyi, Rasmodia would rather die than say that /lh

[round timber]

!PLAYER_HAS_SEEN_EVENT Any {{ModId}}_Introduction
does this query mean the action will still apply if at least one person has not seen the event? or that it will no longer apply as soon as one person sees the event?

[vernal crest]

As long as one person hasn't seen the event yet it will still apply Edit: all the smarter people say otherwise

[tiny zealot]

! negates the whole query, so this is "not any person has seen the event"

[vernal crest]

Welp apparently we came to opposite conclusions lol

Trust ichor over me

[round timber]

so if i want the latter option... do i keep what i have?

[tiny zealot]

now i'm second-guessing but i was fairly sure ! just flips the result

i think if you want it to stop applying as soon as someone sees the event, keep as-is

[vernal crest]

Pretty easy to test with a quicker GSQ like PLAYER_VISITED_LOCATION imo

But I will not be doing that due to the current proximity to 2am

[brittle pasture]

Any = A OR B, so Not Any = Not (A OR B) = Not A AND Not B

so it will be true if player A has not seen it AND player B has not seen it

[gaunt orbit]

Couldn't you also do NOT A, NOT B

[calm nebula]

De Morgan's strikes again

[gaunt orbit]

IIRC commas work as ands in gsqs

[tiny zealot]

yes but this is the player value Any and not actually multiple queries

[vernal crest]

Yup I am too tired to follow how Not (A OR B) equals Not A AND Not B, time for bed!

[gaunt orbit]

Ah sorry I misunderstood, I thought you meant using the ANY query

[brittle pasture]

I guess switching from Any to All will give the desired effects?

[tiny zealot]

i think vin wants not any

[vernal crest]

I thought Vin already had the desired effect

As soon as one person sees the event it becomes false

[round timber]

lemme go test it lol

[tiny zealot]

glad to be of help (sowing widespread confusion) /lh

[vernal crest]

I think they were in agreement about what it will do, just not in agreement in their understanding about what you wanted it to do lol

(They being Selph, ichor, atra)

[brittle pasture]

it’s a whole thing as atra mentioned

[vernal crest]

Thank you for the link I will peruse it at not-2am!

[round timber]

how could de morgan do this to me

[patent lance]

New quote added by atravita as #6671 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/1424788243811143826)

[elfin kindle]

Heyyy! I'm going through and painstakingly typing out my mods events and while my custom NPC acts as he should, the farmer is simply just... not appearing? I've looked at canon events to format the same and like i said, ironically my custom dude is working and doing his moves but since the farmer never appears it just freezes while waiting for the farmer to finish moving.

this is the set up for the BusStop map
"none/-1000 -1000/farmer 8 23 1 Mirren 39 23 3 pet 8 24 1/
This is where it gets stuck
/emote Mirren 28/move Mirren 0 4 2 true/move farmer 7 0 1/

[tribal ore]

Can you upload the whole event to smapi.io/json so we can take a look at the whole thing in context?

[elfin kindle]

NEVERMIND?? I moved where the farmer starts and it seems to have fixed it

[tribal ore]

Oh good

Were you starting the farmer on an impassable tile or something?

[elfin kindle]

I will keep in mind an do so if i run into another problem!

I don't think so? I started the farmer on the leftmost mailbox thingy, and it didnt work. Moving it to the right one made it work

[slow basin]

is there a way to hide the ability to go to a certain map after specific event happens with content patcher? I kinda wanna lock my expansion until halfway through or one year later since itll add so many npcs and i want people to be able to chilllaxingly enjoy their game without having to worry about over 50 npcs kfldlfdf i was thinking if it was possible making a meteor landing sound effect and then the next day recieving a mail being like "A strange meteor has fallen near the outskirts of Stardew Valley, apparently the traveling merchant that comes by spotted people that looked a bit odd coming out of the meteor and building homes, see if you can create a trade route with them for us will you, farmer?" - Lewis or something to that effect

[tiny zealot]

at the risk of adding to your modmaking cognitive load, the best time to start prefixing your NPC's internal name with {{ModId}} is when you start the mod, and the second best time is now

[tribal ore]

You can use CP to play with the map's warp points and stuff

[slow basin]

🤔 hm

ig i could do that

🙂‍↕️

[round timber]

update, after having to jump through several hoops to get my multiplayer game working: !PLAYER_HAS_SEEN_EVENT Any Vinilla.Honeyfuggle_Introduction returns false after having one player (out of two) watch the event so. i think that means its working as intended

[slow basin]

i could make a small entry map you can go to but cant access any further until you unlock the area maybe?

i plan on utlizing the central station mod 🙂‍↕️

[tribal ore]

You can also use CP to overwrite that part of the map with different tiles to show that it is physically closed off until later

[slow basin]

OOO

[tribal ore]

Do you need the CP EditMap documentation?

[slow basin]

hatd be heklpful!

ty@

[tribal ore]

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/action-editmap.md

[slow basin]

wfkjwd * !

[tribal ore]

That plus this will get you most of the way there

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Maps

[slow basin]

i need to make tilesheets after i make a few walking around sprites so i can make the area heehee

tyyyy

[elfin kindle]

Ah! I'll make sure to do that :P this is my first mod and i've jumped in the deep end lolol so im learning as I go. Just to double check since im really not a programmer so a lot of terms go over my head. But you mean everytime i reference the NPC in the code, it should have the prefix? That includes sprites and such? ^^

[tribal ore]

Maps are fun, but definitely tricky. Don't hesitate to come back and ask for help if you need it 🙂

[slow basin]

will do ty sm!

I have planned main maps not including the interriors but i dont wanna make the area tooo gigantic so i gotta watch it

XD

[elfin kindle]

I just got my maps working and it's incredibly satisfying when you see your work come to life BUT OMG was it a fight

I'm also trying to use the pet dog/cat in an event and i haven't seen anything about using them so i am really just waving the code around, hoping something will stick

[oblique meadow]

random question someone may know. Did something change in the way farms apply their map patches and such now? In the past, I never had to specifiy to only load a map on a certain farm because it would do it only on that farm map. But now im finding things like my bundles, custom locations, etc are applying to all farm maps. I dont mind adding the "When":{"FarmType":"<farm>"}, tag...but that's new (to me)

[tribal ore]

I have not done custom NPCs, but I think so. You also use {{ModId}} on Events and other stuff to avoid accidentally naming something the same as another mod (causing conflicts)

That way, if your NPC is named Jared (for example), he won't conflict with any current or future Jared NPCs out there

And if you name your event {{ModId}}_FunTime, it won't conflict with any "FunTime" event in any other mod.

[elfin kindle]

I've dutifully used {{ModId}} on my events! I really do want to be polite and make sure i follow the general guidelines so everything works smoothly for everyone but i don't always know what can conflict. But I got the event under my mod id!

[gaunt orbit]

Custom locations should always exist, so if a farmer changes farm maps they don't lose anything

Map edits are asset based so if you're only editing the farm map it shouldn't need to be conditional?

UB Bundles I think don't know about maps, so those probably do need to be conditional

[tribal ore]

You can always grab a custom NPC that behaves well (like Hat Mouse Lacey) and use them as an example. Just do a search for where/how they are using {{ModId}} in their NPC data

[tribal ore]

Meant that for you, sorry

[elfin kindle]

yush, i'll probs have a peek and see how it works ^^

[tiny zealot]

lacey uses a dynamic token to make it slightly easier:

  "DynamicTokens": [
    {
      "Name": "Lacey",
      "Value": "{{ModId}}_Lacey"
    },```
then for event scripts or nearly anything else that needs her id i just use `{{Lacey}}`

[round timber]

honeyfuggle does it too because im very original

[verbal narwhal]

          "Id": "{{ModId}}_OnCatchTadpole",
          "Trigger": "LocationChanged",
          "Condition": "ANY \"PLAYER_HAS_ITEM Current {{WhichTadpole}}, SYNCED_RANDOM day camiska.CPFrogTank_tadpolecheck 0.08\" \"PLAYER_HAS_CAUGHT_FISH Current {{WhichTadpole}}, SYNCED_RANDOM day camiska.CPFrogTank_tadpolecheck 0.08\"",
          "Actions": [ "AddConversationTopic camiska.CPFrogTank_Tadpole_Inv 1" ]
        },```

shouldn't something like this only add the conversation topic at a 8% chance? it feels like a 100% chance (but that might be RNG)

[round timber]

another update, everything with the invisible NPC stuff appears to be working so i dont have to poke pathos with a stick!

[ancient cypress]

can someone help im tryna make / edit farm

    "Changes": [
        {
            "Action": "Load",
            "Target": "Maps/Farm",
            "FromFile": "assets/farm.tmx"
        }
    ]
  }```

[oblique meadow]

are you trying to replace a farm or create a farm with a custom icon and have its own space?

[latent mauve]

Keep in mind that if you are looking to create a new farm instead of replacing a default (creating a new farm is the better practice for compatibility), you should use this page as a guide: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Farm_data

[latent mauve]

Currently this code would replace the entire map for the default / Standard Farm, if you want to make a new farm, it'd be better to use the method described in the link above to add it to Data/AdditionalFarms as a separate farm map.

[dapper dock]

If anyone was wondering, in Advanced Melee Framework, you are able to use a vanilla enchantment called magic. It causes your left-click [Normal Attack] to fire a ball of light magic. I'm guessing we were meant to get functioning wands at some point?

[brittle pasture]

vanilla data also has weapon projectiles (not tied to an enchantment). it probably got removed in favor of that?

[sage bolt]

Would just moving the TileData of the town/forest entrance to somewhere i want work? Or do i need to do something special?

[tepid zealot]

Didn't see anything in the wiki/pins specifically, but is there a plan to update SDV/SMAPI to .NET 8 (or alternatively 10 when it comes out in a month or 2), given 6 is end of life/support and not getting any security updates?

[brittle pasture]

pathos’ prev response

[brittle pasture]

are you trying to move the forest entrance to add your area

[sage bolt]

No I'm editing a farm map

[brittle pasture]

and you want to move the entrance to the forest on your farm?

[sage bolt]

Yes

[brittle pasture]

in that case go wild

[tepid zealot]

I'd be interested to know what OS versions would have their compatibility dropped... AFAIK the only OS level compatibility change is for end of support Linux distros (Ubuntu 20.04 for example).. shrugs

[tender bloom]

the major compatibility issue is 32 vs 64 bit, which was something that happened last major update (32 bit now has to use the compat branch). i think the 32 bit change is circa 2013 or so, so the affected OS versions would presumably be ones shortly thereafter, which are 64 bit but so old that .NET doesn't believe in them anymore

[tepid zealot]

I suppose - On Windows the supported OS's were all of the same aged vintage (Win 10 1607 was oldest for both 6 and 8)

[tender bloom]

i think there were also issues with .NET having stupidly short end of life dates

such that if stardew tried to go with a not-about-to-be-EOL .NET, it would cut out a lot

[lucid iron]

If there was a very serious CVE on .NET 6 jn the future, then maybe game will updoot

I don't think this scenario has occurred yet

[tepid zealot]

.NET LTS releases are 3 year lifecycles

[lucid iron]

Another possibility is SMAPI runs a higher .NET version, but yeah don't expect that any time soon either

[tender bloom]

i found a github argument about this lol https://github.com/dotnet/core/issues/9038

[tepid zealot]

Pathos already said that SMAPI requires/uses the base game's .NET build so that's out

[tender bloom]

i think the point is there's fewer hurdles to SMAPI doing whatever it wants—Pathos probably isn't excited to mess with it now, but there could come a day where it's motivated

[lucid iron]

It would be a new SMAPI feature sort of deal, not currently implemented in any form

Short answer is pls build your mods against 6

[lucid mulch]

also Stardew went to .NET6 kinda against its will iirc, was mandatory to be on microsoft store (and in turn for gamepass)

but .NET 6 was also the last that supported win7, going any higher loses official win7 support

[tight rivet]

how many people still play on win7, though..?

in the end, though, I don't think it's unreasonable to stick with .NET6 for now

[lucid mulch]

CA cares about keeping OS support forever

and is seems to be actively annoyed he was forced to abandon ps vita

[autumn tide]

ugh formatting questions is EXHAUSTING

[calm nebula]

Sinz net 10 experiment when

[lucid mulch]

its on the todo list

back then the only thing that didn't appear to work was audio, everything else seemed fine

will take a bit to cleanup this attempt due to the fact this stashed commit also contains a bunch of other experiments as well, and that the smapi codebase has changed a bit since then, in particular the namespace declaration change

[calm nebula]

Net 10 when?

[tight rivet]

I mean, I suppose GOG exists, because: https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1nk715n/as_of_january_1_2026_steam_will_stop_supporting/

[calm nebula]

It's a CA decision

The person you would want to convince is him

Trying to convince Sinz does nothing

(Meanwhile I'm trying to encourage more net 10 experiments :P)

[royal stump]

I recommend not knowing anything about .net version differences

[uncut viper]

i dont even understand what tangible benefit itd bring i thought a lot of it was like syntactic sugar that is otherwisde achievable

i dont pay attention to these things unless i must

[royal stump]

I vaguely recall some (likely) performance improvements, and maybe some language bits that can't work without it? but yeah, idk

despite being here for 5->6

[calm nebula]

Regex

[uncut viper]

performance improvements i do recall actually though its not like theyd really change my code much if at all

[calm nebula]

Regex

Alternative dictionary lookups

Speeeeeeddddddddd

[royal stump]

(not knowing regex is also nice 😇)

[calm nebula]

.NET regular expression source generators - .NET | Microsoft Learn https://share.google/ef9PdwsvKb8zE5g0j

Smh esca

[uncut viper]

youre not allowed to shake your head when you use google share links

[royal stump]

listen, my IT department was exploding when I was learning all this, it's scattershot /lh

[lucid iron]

i want the field implicit backing field

[uncut viper]

oh that is actually one i forgot i wanted

that one would be nice

required too but not as much

still seems sugary to me though when both can just be achieved by writing other code

(practically speaking)

[royal stump]

the regex source-gen stuff does seem handy if it's doing string/span magic automatically

[dusky sail]

oh esca!! thank you for your help yesterday, i got my mines spawns to work

[royal stump]

no problem, good to hear

[dusky sail]

i did also. set it to only the first 30 floors. so it wont explode peoples computers too badly

[royal stump]

it should be fine for small numbers of items, generally, but FTM does some work for each location at start of day

[calm nebula]

Smh I'm too busy hitting up every convenience store trying to get the free prime energy drink samples

To fix the Google share links

Anyways

You think I'm joking but thjs is the second quiktrip I've checked and neither one wants to give me free energy drinks even though there IS a coupon in the app

[lucid mulch]

High performance code crimes in .NET 8+ are great
https://medium.com/@malarsharmila/introduction-to-the-unsafeaccessorattribute-class-in-net-8-0-d3a55ec15762

compile time reflection to generate valid IL to directly access private stuff with no runtime overhead

[soft lance]

Yeah, it'll release onto GOG

Also, keep in mind, after January 1st, 2026, Steam will STILL work!!!!
It'll likely work for 3-4 years before it starts having issues

That just means patches and updates, the shop, the games, it'll all still fully work, you got like 3 years before you start having trouble with it

Unless someone forks the client, your fine for some years

[whole raptor]

Do people even still use 32bit systems..?

[soft lance]

yeah, was thinking same thing, shockingly yes! apparently steam had it showing 0.01% of all steam users

so they were prob waiting for it to hit that number before discontinuing

[soft lance]

32-bit CPU's stopped being produced in the early-mid 2000s?

Though for game controllers, routers, etc, they were still partially being used until some years later

I'd say 32-bit was already low around 2015, and by 2019, it was pretty rare

By 2025, it's nearly dead, though, it's still important to have 32-bit support for apps and games, so many still revolve around it (shockingly!)

[lucid mulch]

I don't think 32bit steam is long for the world.
Supporting 32bit is also making Steam itself a 32bit application and they don't ship two different windows applications.
Officially dropping 32bit would let steam start being a 64bit application

it helps Steams case that Windows 11 never shipped a 32bit os afaik, and win10 is entering EOL

[whole raptor]

Win 10 nearing eol sounds wild to me tbh... I honestly forget win11 even exists 😅

[tight rivet]

I'm actually not trying to convince SinZ, just discuss it, lol.

It came up becuase steam still being 32bit is a blocker for some linux distros dropping 32bit support lol

(not kernals, which IIRC still have some 16bit support, dropping this or next year, IIRC)

[soft lance]

yeah lol

i dont use 11 personally, seems cool, but not my thing, though if you wanna stick to windows 10, look into ESU updates, I got mine for 3 years

[lucid mulch]

I spent pretty much all my time on windows insider builds so was effectively on win11 for a good 6 months to a year before it's ga release anyway, and never fully got the allergic reaction people had to it

Win11 was mainly a new coat of paint and an excuse to help their partners sell new laptops

[soft lance]

personally just was a little unpolished, mainly transparency across the system (that glossy glass) was unfihsed, where if I right clicked it'd take like 0.2 seconds, some other parts of the system not fully consistant

For me it was just like consistancy, and some minor polishing needed, but its generally not bad

Also sorry I gotta post a question rq:

Hello peoples

Issue I got, how can I make it so a fish comes out multiple parts of the day

"{{ModId}}_HammerheadShark"

Can I duplicate the entry of the fish and set the times differently? I want morning, and another for night to 2 am, nothing in between

[lucid mulch]

Can switch it from using regular time system to use gsq conditions instead for controlling time

[soft lance]

how can this be done? Im very (very) new to this..

[tender bloom]

Halibut has this I thought

Maybe also albacore?

There’s a few vanilla fish that are morning and evening iirc so hopefully one of them is a good model to go off

[calm nebula]

Yeah you cab put multile times in data fish

Or in data locations do !Time

[lucid mulch]

In the data/locations entry for the fish there is a Condition field which you can have something like ANY "TIME 0600 1200" "TIME 1900 2600" I think

I'm rusty with the actual content side of it

But if the og time system supports multiple ranges do that instead

[soft lance]

Hmm

Thank you guys!

Ill check tmrw! Didnt know vanilla had it also

[calm nebula]

(Or do "!TIME 1200 1900")

[dusky sail]

Ok i cant do any truly productive troubleshooting right now because im out of the house. But does the answer immediately jump to mind for anyone why a crafting recipe received as a museum reward wouldnt be showing up in the crafting menu? It works fine if i set the unlock condition to a skill instead, and the recipe reward appears correct in gunther's little menu. So im a bit lost

If the answer is "its a mystery" ill just wait and poke it more when i get home

[brittle pasture]

your internal item ID and the recipe ID probably doesn't match up

post your code when you can

[dusky sail]

Wouldnt it not show up with the right icon when you redeem the reward then? Or am i misunderstanding which two IDs you mean

If it is just a typo im gonna throw the most relieved fit though

[brittle pasture]

the item may have the correct ID, but when picking what recipe to unlock (in general), the game uses the item query's ObjectInternalName field, or the target item's internal Name field

since museum rewards don't use item queries it's just the item's internal Name

[dusky sail]

I see...

So it works for a skill unlock because recipe name and item name dont have to match there, but it doesnt work for museum because the museum wants them to match? Do i have that right?

[vernal crest]

It's only ever been shops that the item and recipe name have been needed for in my experience but the museum reward menu might work in the same way, maybe

[brittle pasture]

it works for skill unlocks because it's part of the recipe directly
for museum data it uses how the rest of the game chooses a recipe to unlock with an item query

[dusky sail]

Ok. This seems like a good angle to tackle it from once im home. Thank you

[tiny zealot]

i don't really know anything about recipes, since i am not working on an expansion, but whenever i see stuff about them on here i do and figure they must be cursed

[dusky sail]

I wouldve waited until i was actually there but it was just bugging me in the back of my mind

[drowsy pewter]

yumm recipes

[vernal crest]

It makes me sad to have to name my recipe the same thing as its output but it is at least an easy fix

[dusky sail]

Recipe names only show up internally anyways dont they? Because it usually just gives the display name of the end item

The transmute recipes are an exception

[brittle pasture]

when I say name I meant the internal name, not the display name of the recipe (which is settable, and will show up)

[dusky sail]

Yea

[vernal crest]

Yeah, I am just fussy lol

[calm nebula]

Do you remember the recipe name hack

#making-mods-general message

[tiny zealot]

only vaguely

[calm nebula]

Basically, the game would add "Recipe" to the internal name of Recipe objects

(Not sure why, suspicion is on stacking)

But when it went to grant the recipe it would simply remoce the word "Recipe" from anywhere in the internal name and check for a recipe by that name

So if you had "Recipe" jn your unique id and you used your unique id in your recipe keys, your recipes would all break if granted from a shop

[tiny zealot]

stardew truly is a land of contrasts

[dusky sail]

Game works 100% all the time

I think this time i just got caught by using vanilla as my onlg example. Vanilla doesnt have to follow the same name conventions and rules as mods

[calm nebula]

I love this game. Never change, CA....but I'm glad that issue isnt issue as of 1.6.9

[uncut viper]

i mean the game does pretty much always tbf

with the reasonable amount of bugs any game can expect

[calm nebula]

Frankly I think the game could do with more bugs

And a minigame to catch them

And a museum to display them

[brittle pasture]

isn't nature in the valley 3/3 for that

well it's a tool to catch them, not a whole minigame

[calm nebula]

That sounds like a great mod but sadly it came out after I stopped playing the game

Too busy putting together virtual rooms for virtual cats

[drowsy pewter]

you do mention a lot how you dont play anymore

[calm nebula]

Sorry I can leave

[hard fern]

i wanna catch bugs like forage

[drowsy pewter]

it could also be really cute if they spawn like forage but their item sprite is animated, so they arent just lying on the ground

[dusky sail]

I do have forageable bugs in my next mod but they're only static images

I thought about NITV compat but... it didnt seem worth it for 4 bugs

[hard storm]

Heyy, does anyone have any tips to get into coding to mod SDV? I know nothing but there is a particular mod that I really want to make but I don't know where to start.

[urban patrol]

!startmodding what's your mod idea? that will affect whether you can make a content pack or whether you'll need to use C#

[ocean sail]

Making mods can be broadly divided into two categories:

• Content packs are formatted text files, and don't need any programming knowledge. They can add/edit NPCs, maps, new items, shops, and more. To get started, see the list of framework mods, the wiki tutorial for Content Patcher, and there might be relevant guides on the tutorial wiki.
• C# mods use programming code to change fundamental game mechanics. See getting started with C# modding.

Usually it’s easier to start with making content packs, since you don't need to learn programming.

To use this command, type !startmodding.

[brave fable]

please this is all i have left

[tender bloom]

can't you do that with spacecore animations?

[hard fern]

Maybe I'll make some little buggy friends in my mod

[surreal herald]

Hello! Does anyone know why the farmer doesn't warp to the new map from this location when I add the "When" token? It used to work without it, but now it doesn't (even during the range of time that it's supposed to) - The screenshot is the content.json file

[tender bloom]

i expect it's the update rate

[uncut viper]

patches by default will only re-evaluate on day start

or tokens will, rather

[tender bloom]

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide.md#update-rate

[brittle pasture]

(side note but you shouldn't be using CustomLocations and format 1.23.0; instead you should migrate to format 2.8.0 and add new locations with Data/Locations)

[uncut viper]

you can change the UpdateRate of the patch to be time changed instead but be aware of the performance cost

[tender bloom]

the game itself tends to lock things like this via LockedDoorWarps iirc

(such as how you can't go inside pierre's when it's too late at night)

of course, that's for buildings

so you'd have to think about how you'd want to implement it

[surreal herald]

thank y'all, I'll try that out. Also is there an easier way of realtime editing of the mod instead of constantly opening and closing the game? (sorry for intro level questions I'm really new to this 😭 )

[calm nebula]

!reload

[ocean sail]

How do I reload my changes while I'm still in game?

• Content Patcher pack: enter patch reload <your_mod_id> in the SMAPI console window. This will reload and reapply all your patches (but won't recalculate the ConfigSchema or DynamicToken sections if you use them).
• Translation files: enter reload_i18n in the SMAPI console window. If it's for a Content Patcher pack, also run patch reload afterwards.
• C#: see the Visual Studio hot reload or Rider hot reload feature.

To use this command, type !reload.

[calm nebula]

(That said, I would step off a map before reloading it)

[surreal herald]

tyty!

[urban patrol]

will deleting non-english tilesheets from my unpacked folder have consequences? i'm sick of scrolling for miles

[uncut viper]

your unpacked folder has absolutely no bearing on anything whatsoever

[urban patrol]

okay! i was worried maybe they were baked into the maps somehow

wouldn't want to copy a borked one

thanks

[tender bloom]

i think the game swaps them out in the background for you

you could keep them somewhere else if you're a digital hoarder like me

but it won't hurt the maps either way

[vernal crest]

I made a second copy of my unpacked contents to be english only, just in case I need to go examining other language stuff sometimes

[lucid mulch]

my current unpacked contents has other languages, but was run in clean mode so I don't have default values

[floral oxide]

Just wondering, when creating an NPC with Seasonal outfits, is it okay if this string of code here comes before the second image of code?

[dusky sail]

These have different targets and one is a load while the other is an edit so it shouldnt matter at all which comes first in your json (people who know more than me can correct me if im wrong)

[floral oxide]

Thank you

[hard fern]

horrifying thing vscode does when i use dyamic tokens for my npc and then hit "format document"

[dusky sail]

As far as i know. Content patcher will do 1 load for each thing in the game first, defaulting to vanilla assets if there arent any loads overriding them, then it applys any edits on top of the loaded assets. So order only matters if theres two things editing the same thing

[dusky sail]

Hey i dont wanna be dramatic but i hate this

[hard fern]

lol

[rigid musk]

Is there already a mod that changes wake up time based on when you sleep

[fossil osprey]

I don't remember seeing something like that 🤔

I think there is something that allows you to "oversleep", but I don't think it's an auto process based on sleeping hour

Oh wait it does actually (very old, outdated, yada yada)
https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/2195

[woeful lintel]

I think I have a new contender for worst "bug report"

[hard fern]

😭 all the chinese text say is just "mod couldn't be loaded" ... no details, no nothing

[woeful lintel]

yup

[gentle rose]

first time this sticker has actually been relevant

[floral oxide]

Hey everyone. So, my NPC is showing up in the game, i can give them gifts but they aren't moving and i'm thinking it has to do with the Schedule JSON? https://smapi.io/json/none/6fc1a39f38d042ecb5cc57fb1d44e4a4
As seen here, i was trying to keep it simple beccause it was just to test it all to see if it would work, but it doesn't - am i missing something in here at all? I can send other JSONS like the content one if need be

Please @ me so i can come back to this : D

[hard fern]

did you sleep a day to see if they would move?

[floral oxide]

I have! Mhm

[calm nebula]

!log plz

[ocean sail]

Important note: Your computer username may appear in the log. If your username is your full name, please be aware of this before uploading it.

Please share your SMAPI log file. To do so:

1. Open this page: smapi.io/log.
2. Follow the instructions at the top of the page to upload the log file. (Don't copy & paste from the console window!)
3. After uploading, it will show a green box with a URL to share. Post that URL here.

Please do it even if you don't see any errors. This has useful info like what mods and versions you have, what the mods are doing, etc. If the issue didn’t occur in your last session, please load the game to the point where the issue occurs, then upload the log.

To use this command, type !log.

[vernal crest]

Have you loaded a blank json for the schedule?

[floral oxide]

as in, in content? :0 i have this here?

    {
        //Schedule
        "LogName": "Vivellion Schedule",
        "Action": "Include",
        "FromFile": "assets/data/schedule.json"
    },

[hard fern]

thats not loading a blank

[floral oxide]

[hard fern]

a blank load is when you load an empty json file (save for a set of brackets) to various targets

[vernal crest]

You need to search the NPC tutorial for "blank" and it will show you what to do

[floral oxide]

OH

[vernal crest]

Right now your schedule EditData patch is trying to edit an asset that does not exist

[floral oxide]

oh wait yeah okay, sorry the first fwe times i've read the tutorial i thought it was just a blank as in 'use this and copy to create another json file' instead of having to continiously use more, i didn't realise it was integral code

[vernal crest]

It's a strange concept to understand at first, definitely. A lot of people do it without understanding why they're doing it too.

Here's an explanation I've written before about what blank loads are for and what they do for us (ignore the bit about Sprinton and Axell).

[floral oxide]

Thank you just testing it now to see

[gentle rose]

aba, what is the bare minimum an NPC needs in order to work?

[vernal crest]

What counts as working? Spawning? Moving and talking?

To spawn, they need portraits, sprites, and a Data/Characters entry with a Home spawn point specified.

To move and talk, they also require a schedule and dialogue.

For CTs and location dialogue to work, they need gift tastes.

They need their own asset created for their schedule and dialogue. Character data and gift tastes require an edit to the existing vanilla assets.

[hard fern]

😔 whew... i finished my event, time to test it... i can i18n it later once i know it works

[floral oxide]

thank you for this i read the explanation and it makes sense to me more now! It was exactly what i needed, my NPC is now moving, thank you again

[hard fern]

🤔 huh. well thats new

[gentle rose]

win 11?

[hard fern]

yuh

wonder if this is the same macsmapi malware thing but less crazy

[gentle rose]

it’s almost definitely caused by the same thing, the executable not being signed

the question is how much of a headache this is going to be

[calm nebula]

No that's pretty normal, just hit run

I've had it do that to code i literally just wrote myself and compiled

Liken I'll be running benchmarks and every third run my antivirus goes "nope"

[hard fern]

windows defender lets you just. run stuff anyways so i dont see it being a particular issue

also NOOOO dont tell me i never fixed this 😭

🤔 wait what

why is it transparent...

nvm i know why

wrong map file LOL

i fixed it but still had the old version

event dont work. it wont even trigger gahhh

ffs i forgot to actually include my event json

ok im problems georg apparently

🤔 you're supposed to be able to write events in multiple lines now, right? why the hell won't mine work

[tiny zealot]

yes, you can put line breaks in your event string to make it easier to read and edit (for you and for your source control)

[hard fern]

the json wont even validate

uhh is it ok to just send my event.json in this case

bc i cant validate it

it refuses to read my event data

[tiny zealot]

yeah if the validator won't parse it you can paste one here (maybe start with one)

here's my event data json with line breaks for reference https://github.com/ichortower/HatMouseLacey/blob/main/CP/data/heart-events.json

[hard fern]

i only have one event so far (hopefully i removed my lore paragraphs)

[tiny zealot]

looks okay at a glance. are there events in Blacksmith in vanilla?

if not, you'll need to blank load that asset first or the editdata will never occur

[hard fern]

for the record i did do that and i even patch exported it and my event is there

and yet it refuses to work

in-game error

my log is a mess rn but i can reload and get a fresh one

here is log https://smapi.io/log/edc838ad13044d4995101d0235c81168

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.10 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows 11 Home, with 28 C# mods and 7 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them, SMAPI is out of date, consider updating it

[tiny zealot]

oh i see

you've used a viewport command for the second init command instead of raw coordinates

[hard fern]

ohh

i shall fix

[tiny zealot]

if you need a behavior of the viewport command specifically and the init field doesn't support it, you can start the camera off in the void at -1000 -1000 or something and use viewport to move it after the event starts

[hard fern]

😔 now i forgot to get the farmer out the void

[tiny zealot]

but, progress!

[hard fern]

i suppose?

im confusedc tho

i have a command that warps the farmer

but they dont show up...

the event works. i guess. shocking

[tiny zealot]

fairly sure warp <actor> x y does not support a third integer argument and you may be getting parse errors about it

[hard fern]

you may be correct.

🤔 why am i even making these mistakes

i had an event open for reference that 100% works and i made it myself

[tiny zealot]

(not about you) i do wish people would stop putting the third integer into the warp command /lh

[hard fern]

and yet i copied none of it

oh great now my question doesn't work 😭

[calm nebula]

A lot of people thought it did

A lot

Morning ichor!

[tiny zealot]

hello

in their defense, it did silently proceed without erroring (but also without setting the character's facing) in every SDV version before 1.6

although frankly the fact that warp supports a continue argument at all when it consumes no time is baffling to me

[hard fern]

is there a better way to make blank question boxes?

like i want it to just be "click this"

no .

[tiny zealot]

try quickQuestion #1#2#3

i think you get a blank line but that's better than punctuation i would think

[hard fern]

...and i just watched my npc moonwalk into the waall before the event ended 😭

[tiny zealot]

moonwalk?

(is your sprite sheet in the right order?)

[hard fern]

actually it's more like crabwalked

she went sideways.

i wish i had caught it because it made me do a double take 😭

[tiny zealot]

it would be fun to make a little supercut video of silly mishaps and bloopers from event coding and do like a "welcome to stardew modding, enjoy your stay" /lh

[hard fern]

[game] Event 'Forsy.NPCSelena_Selena2Hearts' has command 'Oh, just putting away some ores, and finishing some practice engraving...#$b#It's nothing much, really.' which couldn't be parsed: unknown command 'Oh, just putting away some ores, and finishing some practice engraving...#$b#It's nothing much, really.'. and i have a fun little error where it says i cannot parse this for... whatever reason. which is fun.

it's part of my quickQuestion

and i thought i had been following the wiki properlu

[tiny zealot]

"it's cursed here and we all love it and will never leave"

[hard fern]

but it just failed to question

[tiny zealot]

the stuff in your quickQuestion segments must be event scripts. so you need the speak {{Selena}} etc.

[hard fern]

oh....

ok yeah

[patent lance]

New quote added by atravita as #6672 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/1425118302383902751)

[hard fern]

😔 now farmer wants to leave..

[calm nebula]

Hotel California

[hard fern]

caught my npc walking into the wall again just to get to her schedule spot

[calm nebula]

Meirl

[hard fern]

nice! now my event loops whenever i get to my question.

[calm nebula]

Also meirl when someone asks me a question

We should do a skit

[hard fern]

take 900 of me trying to fix this event and my npc does nothing but moonwalk

🤔 why is the i18nifier making every space in my event an i18n key

[autumn tide]

hellooo I'm making a krobus mod, and I want to set it up so that most dialog doesn't show up on fridays, but it seems like a pretty difficult thing to do when it comes to conversation topics.
I was thinking maybe all the i18n dialog things could have the DAY_OF_WEEK GSQ with the alternative leading to a randomized friday general dialog, but it seems pretty long, hmm would it be possible to make a custom token with the DAY_OF_WEEK query and put that in front of dialog instead? idk what i'm doing lol

[brittle pasture]

maybe you can use nested i18n tokens, like have an i18n key like this
"Krobus.silentIfFriday": "$query DAY_OF_WEEK Friday#...|{{actualDialogue}}"
then in all your dialogue keys do
{{i18n: Krobus.silentIfFriday |actualDialogue={{i18n:ActualI18nKey}}}}

[autumn tide]

Got it! took me a minute lol

gonna enter my code below so ik if i have it right

[slow basin]

is it possible to expand the map of the flower festival to the side going this way <-

ik a lot of expansions have expanded up and to this side ->

but i was wondering if theres any particular reason why no ones expanded it on the other side? (im thinking of adding on to the map in that direction for my mod maybe)

[fossil osprey]

Because maps coordinates start from the top left, so extending a map up or to the left means you would need to change all NPC's position for them to be in their right place, and you'd be incompatible with literally every mod

[slow basin]

darn

ok ig my npcs wont need dance sprites for the flower festival then XD

well actually i wonder if i can make a map extension to go outwards from where elliot and leah stand usually and make an area over the water? 🤔

wait would expanding down have the same problem?

[fossil osprey]

You definitely can! The rest of the coordinate won't change, it's only up or leftward ^^

[slow basin]

ok cool!

yippeee

cause i think itd be cute to be able to dance with some or all of my npcs 👼

[hard fern]

🤔 when it comes to reducing load time and stuff, does having like 50+ separate action blocks just editing a different image matter compared to one big one that edits different images

like editimaging every vanilla npc sprite

[autumn tide]

okayyy this is what I got:
"i18n_Code.Krobus_SilentIfFriday": "$query DAY_OF_WEEK Friday#{{i18n: i18n_Dialog.Krobus.Generic_Roommate.Friday.{{Random:{{Range: 1, 15}}}}}}|{{i18n_Code.Non_Friday}}" {{i18n: i18n_Code.Krobus_SilentIfFriday|i18n_Code.Non_Friday={{i18n:___enter_key_here___}}}}
what should I do for lines that already have queries in them?

[tiny zealot]

$query splits the entire dialogue string so you can't nest them afaik

[brittle pasture]

you can't nest queries unfortunately

[tiny zealot]

you'll have to figure out an alternate solution

[autumn tide]

aw :(

alr

[brittle pasture]

need to fallback to When blocks then

[autumn tide]

Just double checking, so no queries in i18ns if the OG line already had a query?

[tiny zealot]

reminding myself once again to ask for a GSQ switch block when 1.7 reopens

[brittle pasture]

nope

[autumn tide]

dammit okay

thanks for telling me, you just saved me hours of future debugging LOL

[slow basin]

does anyone know if any mods touch this specific tile area im thinking of adding a bridge going straight down and to another little island for my npcs

its the flower festival map area

[hallow prism]

i'm not aware of any

[slow basin]

nice!

[autumn tide]

hellooo uh is there a way to stop a specificTemporarySprite thing in an event? tryna edit the sewer fight event to add a more clear end

[tiny zealot]

specificTemporarySprite is a hook for vanilla events to run (effectively) hardcoded C# stuff, so... not that i know of

you don't really have control over them at all once they start

[autumn tide]

aw okay

[dapper dock]

Not sure what I am doing wrong here. Making a content pack for Advanced Melee Framework. https://smapi.io/json/none/b55f6f91b52e476689fb3e55d38404fa

Trying to make a Dash Attack. Nothing happens during testing.

[urban patrol]

in case you weren’t aware: https://festivals.pillow.rocks/

[whole raptor]

Is there anything special that needs to be done for custom animals to show up in SVE's premium barns? Or if the requirement is Deluxe barn it'll show up automatically?

[brittle pasture]

if their house is Barn then it should work
IIRC SVE does some C# magic that chu had to begrudgingly deal with for Livestock Bazaar to make a premium barn count as having built a deluxe barn

aka just follow what the pig does

[whole raptor]

Nice, thanks

[soft lance]

[ashen mortar]

I need aid with my question to modding Stardew (or maybe it already exists.)

I've completed CC, HOWEVER, I like goals. I like the bundles. I want to do more bundles.
The "Challenging Community Center Bundles" is fantastic for what I want.
Is it possible, to create new junimo notes in a shed or possibly back in the CC, to re-complete with no world effect? Such as the bridge repair. I would want the item reward.
I could very well just make a checker on second monitor and fabricate bundles in a shed and call it my DIY community center. I am aware of this.
I just like the in-game effect of the CC icon expanding and shrinking when hovering over an item.

[brittle pasture]

if you want to add custom bundles with whatever effects you desire look into Unlockable Bundles

many mods use it to add their own goals and progression

[hallow prism]

(it will not have the icon part but will have a different way to show items needed for UB bundles)

[autumn tide]

hi! was thinking about how to continue the event even tho specific temp sprites are hardcoded, would it be possible to trigger another event right after that one finishes to work around it?

[karmic gust]

I just tried to use the debug completecc command to test events that occur after the community center is completed and now the game crashes when I enter the bus stop. I didn't go to sleep and save after using the command, either. this is the log: https://smapi.io/log/480fcd07b52a4cd0b25bfc4af9c30065

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.3.2 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Unix 6.16.4.114, with 5 C# mods and 3 content packs.

[karmic gust]

is there a specific way you're supposed to use the command to not mess up the game?

[uncut viper]

can you send your json for the bus stop event you're trying to add?

[karmic gust]

I think the switchEvent command is what you're looking for

[autumn tide]

Alr ty :))

[karmic gust]

Oh, I wasn't adding/testing an event in the bus stop, just walking through

[uncut viper]

the error is indicating an issue with a gender switch block in a bus stop event

[karmic gust]

I'm trying to add compatibility with Morris Redeemed and I think that adds a couple bus stop events but the one I added already occurred in that file a day before I tried the command

So the error is likely unrelated to the debug command then?

[uncut viper]

that would be my assumption

especially seeing as you didnt save. the command wont persist across launches if you never saved

[karmic gust]

Okay that's good to know. I'll see what happens if I remove Morris Redeemed and go from there

so no errors when it's just morris redeemed, and no errors when it's just across the aisle so I'm guessing it's one of the edits I did to a morris redeemed event, I just have to figure out which one 😅

thank you for the help narrowing it down!

[uncut viper]

according to the log, Morris Redeemed hasn't even touched Data/Events/BusStop

just Across the Aisle

[karmic gust]

that's what I was trying to do with the debug command, because morris redeemed doesn't add any until the cc is complete. the odd thing is across the aisle loaded on its own doesn't throw up the error

[uncut viper]

well without sending any jsons you're on your own here, cuz i assume you're working with a version of Across the Aisle that is not yet on nexus

[karmic gust]

good point, sorry I'll send it over

https://smapi.io/json/none/2fb1647a442448f3a73fff2a8dda51f4

all the compatibility edits start on line 1066

but none of the lines I'm trying to edit are included until the CC is completed

[uncut viper]

hass your i18n changed at all/can you send the i18n too?
as an aside, ReplaceDelimited doesnt work like that

[karmic gust]

yeah I'll send that over

and I figured I may have been using it incorrectly, that's what I was trying to start testing

[uncut viper]

both ReplaceDelimited and RemoveDelimited will take the delimiter and split whatever string you're editing based on that delimiter. and then it will search the resulting set of values for your search query

so its splitting up the event every space and then searching each section. but if you're splitting it by spaces, you're ofc never going to find "Please help me! [...]" because it'll be split into "Please", "help", and "me!"

[karmic gust]

https://smapi.io/json/none/13a5f32936034ee9b8d0e0ccb581cfcb

that's the i18n

oh I see

I misunderstood that, I thought that was used to split the value added

[little field]

Took a 2 day break and I'm ready to get back to it

[uncut viper]

i dont see any invalid gender switch blocks which means i think the only other way that error can happen is if somehow the event script is null and being parsed anyway? idk try a patch export on Data/Events/BusStop if you want before fixing the edits you're doing to not use ReplaceDelimited (you'll want to use TargetField or just Fields to edit the specific field within the event)

[karmic gust]

I just added the entirety of the event preconditions to the end of the event name in the target of the text operations command and now the error isn't occurring

[uncut viper]

or just fix the compat patches and see if it goes away. shrugs

oh, wait, hindsight 20/20, duh

[karmic gust]

I'm assuming that was also done incorrectly and trying to maybe load two of the same events?

[uncut viper]

there is no "26220101" entry in Data/Events/BusStop, you do need those preconditioons bc those are part of the key

so i think by doing a text operation on just "26220101" you were just adding a new entry in Data/Events/BusStop with just that as a key

and then it was getting no value

aka null value

[karmic gust]

oh, that makes sense

[uncut viper]

then the game was trying to parse a null event

[karmic gust]

thank you for your help figuring this out!!

[uncut viper]

that feels like a very strange thing for Content Patcher to do but i guess thats consistent with its behaviour elsewhere..

the "adding if it doesnt exist" part anyway

it should probably not add it if the resulting value is null though

since thats generally supposed to mean you're removing something with Content Patcher