making-mods-general

[stable grotto]

could it be picked from cursors? oh yeah, that was my guess now, since the bag is on cursors too

that is probably it then

[lucid iron]

Check 258 1449 1 1 on cursors yes

[royal stump]

258, 1449 is this specific pixel of the bags, yeah

[lucid iron]

Mr ape why would you do this

[royal stump]

(for a second I thought it was part of the traveling cart, i.e. even weirder )

[obtuse wigeon]

That is so so specific

[stable grotto]

ah yeah, vpr doesn't change the bag on cursors (I just noticed there is that same vanilla purple when the bag sits on the counter)

who would have thunk there is a shadow around the bag...

[lucid iron]

If u want u can dehardcode this in C# probably

[agile flame]

is that even a thing

[lucid iron]

Yes...?

I don't understand your question

[stable grotto]

since I have to fix the bag "shadow" anyways I'll just do it that way

[agile flame]

i thought hardcoded meant it cannot be changed using mods

[stable grotto]

rejoice for vpr shall be fixed a little more come the next update XD

[obtuse wigeon]

C# mods can do anything

literally anything at all

[lucid iron]

In context of sdv modding hardcoded means "cannot be changed via content"

You can change stuff in C# all you want

[latent mauve]

To my understanding, a lot of framework mods work by "dehardcoding" specific pieces of the game with C# so they can then be changed via content

[lucid iron]

It's true that hardcoding doesn't mean exactly this elsewhere

[eternal moss]

hello everyone,
I have a quick question. I want to check if the dialogue in dialogue box is finished typing. Is it possible to do?

[lucid iron]

Are you in C#

[eternal moss]

yeah

[lucid iron]

Take a look at DialogueBox.update then

[eternal moss]

I am not sure how am I gonna get a value by calling a method, could you enlighten me a little?

[brittle pasture]

they mean reading the method to see how the dialogue boxes handle progressively loading text

[eternal moss]

yeah I tried to try that but I can't see original codes

[brittle pasture]

on my phone so I cant check myself but it’s in there

did you decompile

[eternal moss]

no

how can I do that?

[brittle pasture]

!decompile

[ocean sail]

If you want to make SMAPI mods with C#, one important resource is decompiling the game to read the game code. Here's how to do it: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/Get_Started#How_do_I_decompile_the_game_code.3F

To use this command, type !decompile.

[eternal moss]

oh okay thanks I didn't know I could use ILSpy

[verbal narwhal]

(O)Item_to_flavor Flavor_item

is the way to call flavored items, right? if I just want/need their ID?

[uncut viper]

to be fair SPU has specific functionality for recipe books that makes it much better for them than BETAS when it comes specifically to recipe books. it also has the other customizable book features. i wouldnt consider it eaten!

[ornate locust]

button ouroboros

[uncut viper]

i wont deny that SPU is a bit of a black sheep in my mod list though, at least to me

[brittle pasture]

no

if what you’re using supports item queries you need the special FLAVORED_ITEM item query (for vanilla artisan goods, e.g. wine/jelly)

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Item_queries

[verbal narwhal]

can I use item queries in a cp for a fish pond requested item? or rather what would the syntax for that be?

[brittle pasture]

sure, they do use item queries

where is chu to show off carp wine

[verbal narwhal]

"ItemID": "FLAVORED_ITEM Wine (O)tiakall.bass.SeaBass", //Hey did you know you can make fish-flavored pond items? You're welcome.

aha!

thanks!

oh wow forwarding and backwarding time with cjb cheats menu for testing time + my fishpond really wracked my testing save:
https://smapi.io/log/61c2908bf36c494c98986cafee53915d

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.3.2 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.19045.0, with 29 C# mods and 4 content packs.

[brittle ledge]

ArgumentOutOfRangeException: 'minValue' cannot be greater than maxValue. (Parameter 'minValue') at System.Random.ThrowMinMaxValueSwapped()

Gonna guess you have a minvalue that's greater than your maxvalue.

Check your fish pond stuff and see if you got them backwards somewhere.

[agile flame]

do i need to use a sprite sheet like will it work if i use a png? or do i need to use sprite sheets

[hard fern]

?

[obtuse wigeon]

Spritesheets are pngs

[verbal narwhal]

ah yes I did, but that is due to me jumping back and forth in time, so I just demolished the fish pond

[agile flame]

i meant a single png for every object

[obtuse wigeon]

You can use a single png for 1 object (like vanilla buildings), or a single png for all objects (like vanilla items)

[agile flame]

aight ty

[brittle pasture]

(a large spritesheet is marginally better performance wise)

[agile flame]

does it matter if there is 5 objects?

[brittle pasture]

probably not

[agile flame]

aight thanks

[brittle pasture]

but something something death of a thousand cuts

[latent mauve]

Part of my delay on my NPC overhaul mod is the dozens of tiny sprite replacements that I need to try to get onto a single sheet where possible-- but not all are possible since I can't PatchMode: Overlay on objects when my new objects are smaller than the originals. LOL

I mean, it's possible in a literal sense, but it would look a bit odd if they were just superimposed on the bigger vanilla object.

[agile flame]

i think im lost here a bit isn't adding stuff to a sprite sheet is just making a project turning on grid and importing all your assets and just place them in the right order?

[gentle rose]

making a project and turning on grid in what software?

[agile flame]

aseprite

you dont even have to turn the grid on the squares are colored 16x16

[gentle rose]

I mean, that's one way to make the actual spritesheet png, sure, but lily is talking about actually patching spritesheets in game

not just making the png

[agile flame]

oh

makes sense ig

[gentle rose]

so, the step after you make the png

if you overlay your new stuff on top of the existing spritesheet but your new stuff is smaller, obviously some of the original sprite will be visible

(also, not all spritesheets in the game are 16x16)

[agile flame]

oh no i meant the squares are 16x16 but you can decide how many squares and you can also decide how big the squares are and they are just for clarity but after you export it it will be transparent png so you can use it in your projects

anything is hard when its on a big scale

[brittle ledge]

What are you overhauling, Lily?

[lucid iron]

The zelda mod right

Turn whole game into zelda things

[glossy cargo]

I host my stuff on github

[lucid iron]

@glossy cargo so nexus has a bit in the tos about network connectivity features in mods

If you wish to include a thing like this, send them a email

[glossy cargo]

My mod is already extremely network connective. Like that's the whole point.

It's not a few extra assets that would make a difference

[lucid iron]

They probably won't give you trouble

The I'm surprised that you haven't already sent an email

(shows they r not very strict about it i guess)

[glossy cargo]

Last time someone brought that up I went and looked at their rules and I remember concluding I was compliant.
Either way, if they want trouble, they can come to me. I wouldn't lose any sleep over getting banned from nexus. I only use it for marketing reasons, I strongly dislike using it as a source

But as far as I know, I'm compliant

[lucid iron]

I trust you to figure it out

[glossy cargo]

there was a clause about network stuff needing to be explicit, and not like, sneaky, or something

I don't remember. It's been over a year. But someone told me to look it up, and I did

[lucid iron]

I do think you can consider having the assets as separate mod though

[glossy cargo]

No, that would literally not work for my purpose

[lucid iron]

Which allows you to put in a different update key

[glossy cargo]

Well, I could do it, but it would not help with my goals at all

[lucid iron]

So you can point it to gh release if you want

[glossy cargo]

my goal is on-demand requests. Specifically because the average player needs almost none of the assets

Like, say I have 1000 assets, the average players will need less than 10 of them

[lucid iron]

Ah i see, up to you then

[glossy cargo]

which is why I'd like to do on-demand, and not package all 1000

[uncut viper]

"Files (especially executables) that connect to the internet to download or send information and/or files are prohibited unless where it is crucial for the functioning of the mod/utility. Please note that "auto update" functionality does not qualify as crucial and that we reserve the right to moderate and/or remove any files/tools/utilities/mods that communicate with the internet. If your tool's/app's functionality depends on the ability to send and receive information/files, please contact staff or send an email to [e-mail] laying out your reasoning and providing the source code for your tool/app."

this is the exact wording in their guidelines

again tho like chu says they must clearly not care that much

[lucid iron]

Yeah i just bring it up whenever people discuss networking feature in mod cus it's not a very hard thing to just do once and not worry about it

[glossy cargo]

Specifically, the feature is showing assets for other game content, within stardew. For example, you see in a shop, a Hollow Knight's player's grub. So I show the grub asset (custom made, we did not rip it from HK, that would be illegal. I attached it as an example)

[uncut viper]

yeah to add on to this im pretty sure like no one here actually gives a shitr abt network connectivity if its required we just like to warn people in case nexus doesnt like them lol

[glossy cargo]

So to need an asset, you need to
1: Be playing in a multiworld with that specific game
2: Happen to have that specific item in your game
3: Happen to have that item in a spot that can be seen before obtention (like a shop)

Which means that, for any given asset, the chance of needing it is very low.
On-demand, it could be downloaded when needed, then kept in your files so that if it comes up again, it doesn't need re-downloading

[lucid iron]

You need to be on internet to play archipelago anyways right

[glossy cargo]

You need to connect to a server. The server could be locally hosted on your PC, but the common usage is to use the archipelago website

Even if you host locally though, it's network code

[lucid iron]

Yeah i mean can someone dl all the assets so they dont get broken images

In case of bad network

[glossy cargo]

if bad network you can't even know what the item is, so your local game wouldn't be able to use the local asset either

But anyway we don't have assets for every item of every game (that would be... probably millions), so we do have default handling for any missing asset

[lucid iron]

I really don't think 10mb is that much even if it's relatively big for a sdv mod (sve is 50mb)

[glossy cargo]

it's just an archipelago logo , which is what it was for every item before we started making these assets

[glossy cargo]

it's currently closer to 25mb, which is tolerable, but I prefered it smaller

If you're curious, here's all the custom assets for other games we have
https://github.com/agilbert1412/ArchipelagoUtilities/tree/main/KaitoKid.ArchipelagoUtilities.Net/KaitoKid.ArchipelagoUtilities.Net/Custom Assets

(A handful of them are direct rips, but only for the games where we got explicit, written permission from the dev or their representatives)

[obtuse wigeon]

Oh wow the list of supported games has dramatically increased since I last checked

[glossy cargo]

(Notably, Stardew, DLC Quest and Timespinner. And if they change their mind we can remove them at a moment's notice)

[glossy cargo]

If you're looking at the website, that's like... 10% of all games that exist. The website only has the games vetted by the core developers

[latent mauve]

Yes, I was talking about the zelda npc overhaul, naturally changing an NPC like Morris also involves changing all of his sprites on say, Cursors or townInterior as well, which is where the finicky patching comes in xD

[sleek flint]

What are you making exactly?

[glossy cargo]

Archipelago Randomizer. Multiworld, multi-game randomizer. Every item from every player gets shuffled around across the games. So in your stardew, you find items for all the other games that your group is playing

[sleek flint]

Cool

[glossy cargo]

Our Hollow Knight sprites:

[sleek flint]

Damn I just looked at how many you have and this is a lot of games.

[glossy cargo]

All sprites are done by random volunteers, so some games get a lot more love than others

[glossy cargo]

There are... about 75 official games on the website, and over 500 playable non-official games in addition to that iirc

[next plaza]

(re: file size - I imagine my secret casey crimes in another dimension will be pretty sizable by SDV standards once it's finished, because that's gonna be a LOT of assets)

[glossy cargo]

I myself have implemented 5 games, alone or with partners, including stardew valley as my first and biggest

[brittle ledge]

Yeah, you'd have to patch in each NPC separately, but could probably speed it up with Localtokens or {{Target}}

[sleek flint]

Oh, that reminds me I bought hollow knight to try it for the first time like 2 weeks ago and forgot about it. I should install and play it soon.

[glossy cargo]

It's an amazing game

[next plaza]

(And anyways back to hiding in said secret crime thread and the alpha thread and programming off topic)

[brittle ledge]

Speaking of archipelago, Kaito, I had a thought re: mod compat

[glossy cargo]

I discovered it from Archipelago (I tried a lot of new games, as randomized in a multiworld with my friends), then played like a dozen extra playthroughs, a few vanilla and several modded

[brittle ledge]

When you're adding in a mod that has the same types of general checks (e.g., NPC hearts, map doors, etc) do you basically code them in the same way each time?

[latent mauve]

It's not really the sprite sheets in the Characters folder that are the problem but all the little temporary sprites that are used elsewhere. Morris behind the counter, the Joja Community Center completion scene, drunk Shane, etc

[brittle ledge]

Ah yeah, I see your point

DSV does that, I believe, but I don't think they have an easy way around it either

[glossy cargo]

A lot of that stuff you mentioned is done pretty generically in the mod, which means that if your mod is CP/Spacecore and doesn't do anything weird, you often don't even need to change anything in the SVAP mod itself.

Then, adding it to the generator is usually copy paste job from other content already there, and write some rules if applicable (for example, if an NPC only shows up after you get a rusty key or whatever, you'd have to add it as a rule)

Archipelago has two sides, the server/generator, and the client/mod. You only ever touch the mod when you add something really new. For example, SVE has unique checks for the aurora vineyard that don't really match anything from the base game. If you add a skill, for example Binning, you usually won't need to do anything in the mod, our code will generically handle it
But the generator must be changed every time you add anything, as it needs lists of items, locations, regions, and rules

[brittle ledge]

Okay, so the generator is where you run into the bottleneck. Would it be possible to put together some kind of template so people that don't understand code but know the mod could give you the specifics, which you could then easily translate into the generator code itself?

[glossy cargo]

Possible, yes, but that's a decent chunk of work, and wouldn't be very high on my priority list.
Our code structure is already kinda-template-ish, like if you were to add an NPC, you could easily look up another mod NPC and copy what's there with minimal friction, but it's still python code, not like, json or something

[brittle ledge]

Yeah, I took a look at it a while back and didn't understand it well enough to be comfortable PRing it

Maybe after I take that intro to python class I've been eyeing

[verbal narwhal]

sorry for the ghost reply/ping

that was an accident!

im trying to figure out how to change an existing event but I didn't find anything for editing existing ones on the wiki
and when I tried to look at CP packs that did that I couldn't figure out where they pulled these numbers from?

(I think I just replied to a message from a year ago)

[vital lotus]

If u patch the event key it'll just overwrite that event. Which knowing how event are is often the way tto go

[urban patrol]

yeah there's technically a way to target a specific event command inside the event afaik but it's really fiddly. you can either overwrite it with your own patch or set it to null and then create your own custom event with the same or different preconditions

[hard fern]

is this the accursed TargetField

[verbal narwhal]

oh so I will just patch editdata the event key copypaste the whole vanilla thing + make my edits there?

[urban patrol]

this is how midnight voyager did it

(for shrimply)

[verbal narwhal]

also I was so scared for like 10 minutes that I got banned for replying to a message from a year ago and then deleting it

lmao

[urban patrol]

nah discord was having outages, it wasn't just you!

[verbal narwhal]

(because discord acting up and showing me I had no access to this server)

[ornate locust]

Yeah you can just edit one bit, but it WILL require some counting

[brave fable]

i very nearly did come in here to ask who this Zombifier was when i had a report about Zombifier's Machine Terrain Framework (and Aquatic Crops - formerly Custom Tapper Framework)

[warped raven]

Not sure if there is any demand for such a thing but that's in the work I guess

[hard fern]

tortilla...

[dusky sail]

TORTILLA EMOJI <33333

[lucid iron]

Who is the giant eye

[obtuse wigeon]

The one thing we have needed!

[obtuse wigeon]

lewis I think

[lucid iron]

👁️

[warped raven]

Not responsible for the giant eye as it's part of the native emojis :p

[hard fern]

😔 i feel kinda bummed out bc i have a mod i have so much done for and yet i have no motivation to really finish it

i was excited before but like now im just kinda "well, i guess i can finish it?"

[agile flame]

adhd?

[hard fern]

eh, no, it's just after a while i just felt like there wouldnt be a point to finishing it, since it's something i lost interest in

[agile flame]

so you are a human.

[brave fable]

there's a very real undercurrent of 'i make the mod, and for what, bug reports and feature requests? this world is a prison'

[hard fern]

yup...

[brave fable]

as long as you're enjoying the process it's not time wasted at least

[hard fern]

😔 the problem is im no longer enjoying the process

[agile flame]

yk what pops say if you do it you will feel great of yourself even if it fails and is hard

[hard fern]

(and i made so many assets too lol. all for what)

[brave fable]

if you're not enjoying it then straight-up stop for however long

no ifs and buts, just put the tools down and maybe it'll look good later

[hard fern]

well, it's already been However Long and im still not in the mood to finish

so maybe i should just give up on that mod and instead work more on something else

[brave fable]

that's how it goes sometimes 🥪 not everything is meant to be

[dusky sail]

modding is for fun. you gotta follow whatever is fun

[hard fern]

welp ✨

[urban patrol]

who knows, another idea may come along later where you can reuse the assets you made for something else

[brave fable]

you'll find it's good for the process and good for you to just drop things you're not feeling. if you start something new, you'll have all the experience and skills improved from whatever you dropped, and without the baggage

[soft lance]

tortillas...

[agile flame]

ye well listen this happens always to me its even painful when i try to continue even if i need or want it but it ain't fun never start a thing that will take long without having something holding you for it

[hard fern]

i dont want the assets to go entirely to waste so i'll probably find some use for them later on

[soft lance]

tortilla simulator 9000

make tortilla
upgrade tortillas
have a tortilla army
make the best tortilla empire

download now!!

[agile flame]

some people need to do that thing to help people some other do it cause there significant other is with them on it or something like this

[obtuse wigeon]

Fantastic advice, I should follow it more often, burnout isn't fun ata ll

[agile flame]

or you can do something tortilla related with a 1 pixel of center sprite

its every where man

[soft lance]

Honestly it sounds fun doing something then you get stressed and burnt out, I asked for some perms for all the fish I have, fully ready, even aquarium, come to find out they are an art thief, I don't want to even use their assets even with permission now

So it's really annoying to remake 20 fish and the sprites for their aquarium as well

[hard fern]

🤔 i can put a context tag into universal likes, right

[brave fable]

well the thing is that assets never go entirely to waste. you improved that much more from making them, and even the act of deciding they're unusable as-is is exercising some kind of creative process in itself. maybe they can be clobbered into something later on, but even if they're not released, the important part is the self-improvement and practice/exercise

[obtuse wigeon]

That's horrible! I'm sorry you've had the displeasure of dealing with an art thief, it's certainly not en enjoyable experience at all

[agile flame]

i can make 20 fish in 20s each (real) for 30% of your mod
the deal is done

im a damn con artist

[soft lance]

aaa

[soft lance]

i think a good amount are already remade but some are pretty hard

especially marlin

[hard fern]

yeah just gimme 30% of your mod to take a bite out of... im hungry..

[obtuse wigeon]

Another thing about having spare assets is at least if you need a placeholder, you don't have to make a basic one or search for one, my grass paths that I havent released work great as dirt placeholders too with just a colour overlay

[agile flame]

wtf is that

[soft lance]

LOL

[brave fable]

narwhal..

[soft lance]

Marlin

[agile flame]

delete it

[obtuse wigeon]

WWW I like it!!

[agile flame]

fast

[soft lance]

why-?

[agile flame]

actually its not bad im joking

[soft lance]

oh 😭

[agile flame]

😭

[soft lance]

i thought that too till I saw it was called a Marlin..

[agile flame]

when i need a sprite i just take a pencil dot some places and some how it turns decent

[obtuse wigeon]

My placeholder is always a 2x2 grid of magenta and black, at least then I know for certain I missed a texture

[agile flame]

btw im color blind so for coloring i take multiple close hexes place them in a shading tool and move around in weird shapes

[soft lance]

WHA

That's hard for a lot of sprites

[soft lance]

yeah I gotcha

[dusky sail]

idk mn i just draw. i just draw the pixels

[obtuse wigeon]

I'm mildly colourblind, yellows and greens are the worst for me, so I have become exceptional with hex values

[soft lance]

im a perfectionist, and while I love others works, for my own, I am way too crazy, though if I was sent a piece of poop from someone I'd rave over it

[dusky sail]

samesies tho

[soft lance]

idk how you guys can just do that

im not that creative with artwork

[agile flame]

not sure how does this even look

[soft lance]

with coding I am, not others

[dusky sail]

i put down the pixels and then i keep putting down more pixels until it looks right

[agile flame]

for me it looks just right tbh

[soft lance]

very good!!

though whats that slightly transparent blue?

[soft lance]

are all artists like this

[agile flame]

idk

thats the thing

its a mix of purple and black ish i think

i can get the hex if you want

[brave fable]

do you expect everyone to be the same?

[dusky sail]

im only even like this for pixel art

i have an actual step by step logical process for non pixel art

[soft lance]

nono i am hardly even an artist

i dont know the "meta" or how others do it

i like learning how they do lol

[dusky sail]

but it WORKS. look at my radish

[soft lance]

very good!!

For the radish, I'd recommend that the saturation is a bit higher

[wheat finch]

Time for me to attempt to art again.

[dusky sail]

ah yeah i do have trouble matching the saturation levels of vanilla

but i feel like staying in the middle ground makes it mesh better with people who have recolors

[oblique meadow]

If I can make a tree as a coding focused colorblind guy, anyone can pixel art

[brave fable]

but if you do both then you match neither

[wheat finch]

If I were a squid sprite would I be on spring objects or would I be on something like fish?

[uncut viper]

(remember though that not everyone is looking for feedback or criticisms when posting their art)

[agile flame]

reminded me of a short i saw some grandpa grew one as the shape of their legs

[dusky sail]

ty button

[brave fable]

i think everyone either starts off with their art in stardew either way too high in saturation or way too low

[dusky sail]

radish is already in a published mod i dont wanna change it now

[brave fable]

i find it helps to work with a fairly garish but not eye-searing background colour on my canvas to set the tone, and sample a starting palette from some similar vanilla sheet

actually a few background colours of different hues is nice since i can flip between them and see it in a different 'atmos'

[agile flame]

i heard its best to use gradient colors for sdv (idk what is differnce betwen all these names)

[humble timber]

my original portraits of pkmn characters are so scary to look back on 😭 WAYYYY too low of contrast and saturation

[agile flame]

send here please

ik it will look like art i see bad stuff good

[humble timber]

i dont wanna im embarrassed 😭

[agile flame]

dw im a great lyer

[brave fable]

yeah my oldest sprites were way too big, too pale, too desaturated, too detailed, too many tones, ..

[humble timber]

honestly even my stuff now definitely doesnt fully match vanilla but i think it meshes well enough that it's okay

i just... cant do eye searing colors lmao

[agile flame]

ye your status says it all

[soft lance]

It looks good, nice cut off with that outline, little less apparent than usual around the lower-left tip of the leafy area of the radish The outline is good, seems like it's applying the neighboring colors hex a bit instead of one solid partially faded black outline with no adaption. The lower tip of the radish is smart, gives it some sharp character, the fade in color transitions are very clean, the shine that goes from the middle-half of the greenish hue to the mid-end of the radish is good, and again it's inheriting that neighboring colors a bit, but some areas of the shine don't, but that's a very minor detail. As for saturation, it's needed, though, with some saturation within primarily the inside of the radish, it'd look a lot better, but it's better to have it less saturated than oversatured if that's a worry for you.

Overall great

[dusky sail]

thank you but i did not ask for critique

[soft lance]

Without it, people don't improve, if I didn't have it, I'd be poo poo

It's amazing though, I love that radish, what mod is it in?

[uncut viper]

and giving critique or criticisms without it being asked for is against the rules

[soft lance]

..is that..real?

lol

[uncut viper]

yes. not everyone is looking for criticism. sometimes people want to share art their proud of

[dusky sail]

there are times when I'm mentally prepared to receive critique and times when i'm not, also

[humble timber]

#making-mods-art message

[dusky sail]

i have a lot of trouble with RSD so i personally have to be in the right headspace for it

[soft lance]

i was giving constructive feedback with mine, my bad, I guess

my bad*

[dusky sail]

also its in Botany of Teyvat. even within the mod you can see my improvement over time and i like that about the art

[soft lance]

I only wish for people to improve, do not take it in the wrong way, if I commented on it with constructive crtisim, then I loved your work, and want you to be amazing

I rarely ever comment like that, as you can tell with all my previous messages

[agile flame]

is it me or i feel like sdv artists are only good at pixel art cause like when they draw their characters or actuall drawings the drawings are ####

[soft lance]

Apologizes if taken the wrong way

[dusky sail]

i know you had good intentions! i only ask that you keep the rules in mind for the future

[urban patrol]

this is so rude and unnecessary

[dusky sail]

what an odd and rude thing to say!

[obtuse wigeon]

Botany of Teyvat is your mod? I had no idea!

[dusky sail]

ye

[obtuse wigeon]

dude seriously? theres no need to be rude at all

[humble timber]

damn.

[agile flame]

no not really im part of it kinda its when you go from pixels to curves and stuffs its a whole way bigger play ground if anything then its friendly fire

[soft lance]

I don't get what this means (first rough drafts?), but regardless, seems rude

[agile flame]

and i dont mean to be rude if its understood that way

[humble timber]

you do realize most of us who do pixel art also do other digital art right

??

[uncut viper]

"the sdv artists here draw their characters like shit" is always going to be seen as rude

[dusky sail]

in big public spaces like this you gotta be careful with your words because someone is gonna take it the wrong way, even if you dont mean anything by it

[urban patrol]

intentions matter very little when the outcome hurts people

[agile flame]

ye idk most art i saw in creative or the gallery is not that great

its better than what i draw

[soft lance]

a rich furry paid me to do an OC, not kidding even if its known as a meme, I do lots of artwork, but I am newer at pixel

[agile flame]

but its not to be compared to what this person makes in pixel art

[humble timber]

i mean honestly there isnt much overlap between cheetos and ppl who post in the creative channels

like, it's almost entirely in the making mods art lol

[dusky sail]

either way, calling art "not that great" where the artist can see it is rude

[oblique meadow]

I’m just gonna step out before I say anything……

[soft lance]

im sorry but are you referring to cheetos, I like eating cheetos : D

[dusky sail]

rude in private too, but at least then they dont have to see you being rude

anyways L+ratio+look at my oc

[uncut viper]

(mod authors here are often affectionately called cheetos because of the orange colour of the role)

[humble timber]

indeed

[obtuse wigeon]

Cheetos are the un/official name for people with the mod author role due to the colour

[agile flame]

thats somewhat good ngl

[brave fable]

show me yours if i show you mine

[soft lance]

HAHA that is so cute though! I didn't even know 😭

[humble timber]

...hm.
wait did i delete all the old ones from my message history

oh no.

[agile flame]

im not sure if im just used to high quality stuff 😭

[ornate locust]

You don't have to be "used to high quality stuff" to not be a jerk

it's easy, just don't insult people

[dusky sail]

even if you think something, you dont have to say it

[oblique meadow]

I mean I’m used to conversations with people who add value and don’t have their head up their own butt. But sometimes we just deal with the hand we’re given 🤷‍♂️

[soft lance]

This is very real

[agile flame]

its hard when you come from a community where swears used there are not permitted to be referred to as their inferrior fourms in such community but my apoligies artists

[ornate locust]

If I see art I don't like, I don't go "hey you're not very good"

that has nothing to do with anything

[soft lance]

I'm sorry if my previous message made you feel bad, I really only meant good...I'm in a few art servers..and I never had a rule like that before, so I am used to commenting on art that I really like and try to help improve. I really didn't know that some ppl might be affected by it. Maybe my approach should be softer? idk if it sounded mean..but I will work on it!

[ornate locust]

I swear all the time, I still manage to not just insult people

[dusky sail]

oh no lucy im talkin about nigel now

[soft lance]

Ikk Im just apologizing for before

[humble timber]

hm

[agile flame]

think of cod community but x10 more toxic doxxing swatting turning your life miserable something like that

[soft lance]

HAHAHAHA

[dusky sail]

youre fine! im more worried about people improving in the future than apologizing for the past

kat do we need to set up a swear jar

[agile flame]

i said it over 25k in 3 years in my old community trust me im doing great rn

[soft lance]

freak

i said it, i said the word

i cant say cuss here

[dusky sail]

whoa now

[soft lance]

i am a good person

[dusky sail]

do we need to get the junimos in here

[humble timber]

ok in my defense a good number of these are probably about FUCK farm. alas.

[brave fable]

think you guys are getting a little far from the whole #making-mods-general topic

[oblique meadow]

Ok. In a completely obvious change of topic.. question. I saw somewhere that custom monsters aren’t really a thing. Did I misunderstand something? Is there a framework?

[humble timber]

yeah lmao

[agile flame]

ban him fast mod

[soft lance]

nonono dont take me to junimo prisonnnn

[humble timber]

uuh,,, i thought they are a thing am i. stupid

[agile flame]

also istg if anyone replies to my msg without mentioning i ain't replying

[dusky sail]

truly custom monsters are hard bc it requires C# shenanigans

[obtuse wigeon]

I think there's a framework, or atleast one is being worked on

[dusky sail]

but if you reskin and add on a few behaviors to a vanilla monster you can have a unique one

[wheat finch]

FTM could do custome monsters I think but it might be out of date now?

[soft lance]

Is C# similar to C? in C I can get some real bad memory leaks, rare, but sometimes it can happen, that's why I build a lot of stuff in python or Rust

[oblique meadow]

I want to add a giant alligator to fight.

[wheat finch]

My memory is also a bit hazy.

[obtuse wigeon]

I know Aba and Bog are working on custom monsters but I'm not sure if the framework is specific for their mod or not

[soft lance]

😭

[dusky sail]

i prefer not to touch C# so i dont know. my only skill is identifying when its necessary so i can avoid it

[humble timber]

uuh... it's the language sdv is coded in so if u wanna do any coding crimes in sdv. C#.

[soft lance]

I believe for Stardew it's typically fine, outside of it (as in your own app), your going down..a fun path!

[brave fable]

C# doesn't require that you do manual memory management, it's very relaxed on that front. very accessible language.

[soft lance]

Ahh, that's why it's so performant

[soft lance]

That's what I was worried about, very nice

[obtuse wigeon]

C is the precursor to C#, C# is a higer language than C with more restrictions to prevent excessive issues, to my basic knowledge atleast

[humble timber]

i wonder how much of my expansion i'll be able to do without C# crimes..

[brave fable]

i don't think anyone would describe C# as performant compared to C

[agile flame]

there is c# c and c++ the c basically means they are related some how you can start from lowest level and then keep adding characters to the C for it to get more good and harder

[dusky sail]

the only thing i retained from my college coding courses was the ability to point at people's json and go "there should be a comma there"

[brave fable]

while i'm no historian, i also don't think you could say that C and C# are strictly related.

[dusky sail]

this is hyperbole. i do remember other stuff

[hard fern]

i have 0 coding experience...

[soft lance]

C# is the "higher" successor to it, yeah I didn't know how high level it was, I mainly would use C for most things, either for kernel driver fixes (had to fix a few bugs in the internet driver I had between my USB Wifi adapter), which I am debating on rewriting in Rust.

In C though, when I learned it, I wondered why my app took 1 gigabyte of ram, and accumaled

[brave fable]

anyway, general programming language discussion is more for #programmers-off-topic than here

[soft lance]

: (

[hard fern]

i hope i dont have to actually use C# in my mod

[agile flame]

what does it add or do

[soft lance]

For stardew, thankfully you don't really need any! Just basic JSON formatting (meaning NO comments, as tempting..as..it...may...be...to...use)

[obtuse wigeon]

Any thing pretty much in reguards to stardew

[soft lance]

As long as it's basic, and simple, you should be fine

[lucid iron]

Just kidnap someone when u really need it

[urban patrol]

don’t hold your breath for it, but i’m planning on making an oversized monster. if i get it to work i’ll send you the code/perhaps make a framework

[soft lance]

I am right here but pls no

i dont know c# tho

im sure i can but pls : ( i am innocent dont take me awayyy

[oblique meadow]

I think I’ve almost accidentally built a minigame framework

[lucid iron]

Nowadays u can do a lot with other people's c#

[agile flame]

coding is just english with some fancy rules and characters and a real good IDE

[dusky sail]

i love adding dependencies instead of learning to do things myself!!!! (genuine)

[soft lance]

me not code stealer, though yeah its aamzing to learn from, for stardew its important

[latent mauve]

if it becomes a fully fledged minigame framework, I will find a use for it. xD

[soft lance]

please...for the sake of all things, I have seen some mods that have 9 frameworks (and its a small mod too) for the most useless things, dont be that developer : (

[uncut viper]

please, by all means, add as many dependencies as you need or want

[oblique meadow]

Just through trial and error trying to get it to work I manage everything through a config file….

[dusky sail]

oh i have a very strong "if you dont like how i do things, dont download my mod" mentality

[latent mauve]

one of my side goals is to try to implement a use for most of the current (1.6-compatible) frame works at some point, just to see what I can do with it.

[oblique meadow]

So it’s likely I will get it working

[soft lance]

VSC + cursor theme (I hate AI, but the theme on Cursor was good so I quickly copied it and built a quick theme extension, it's easy to do)

[agile flame]

was just telling my friend lets add a framework to the upcomming mod (a framework i will make) he said no :sad:

[obtuse wigeon]

A general rules I have for myself is no more than 3 dependancies, and to try and use well known ones so that they probably don't have to install them

[dusky sail]

id rather add a dependency than loose important features to my mod or steal C# code

[ornate locust]

I got no rules. If I want to do something and need a dependency for it, I'm using it

[dusky sail]

but it's not like i do it willy nilly either

[uncut viper]

lesser known dependencies will never get known if people only do this

[agile flame]

i just make the framework

[soft lance]

A framework is great when it's pretty versatile, and will be used more than just one tiny thing, like a math library might be used once, but if it's relating to like mini-games, or fishing, or ponds, yeah, make that a very clean and re-usable framework

[obtuse wigeon]

That is a good point Button, I didn't think about that

[agile flame]

its not rocket sciense

[oblique meadow]

I honestly had no idea about cloudy skies before Selph recommended it to me

[lucid iron]

tbh i think dependencies are more useful for smaller mods

[latent mauve]

look, if a dependency adds a cool feature and it makes sense for my mod, I will absolutely add it, even if it means making an optional file for those who choose not to use the dependency.

[dusky sail]

but if everyone makes the framework, then the end user will have like a dozen mods all doing the same thing

[oblique meadow]

And now I use it for auto watering my greenhouse

[dusky sail]

there are genuine usecases for framework mods

[uncut viper]

BETAS was unused for months because no one used it for the reason of: no one uses it

[oblique meadow]

Counter question! ….What is BETAS?

[lucid iron]

for case where you want extra flavor without going all in on actually figuring out C# and best practices™, or at least most compatible practices

[hard fern]

i havent found anything i need betas for yet 🤔 hmm

[uncut viper]

thats not a counterpoint im pretty sure thats proving the point

[soft lance]

Better Enterprise Telecomunnications At Stardew

I got no idea

[urban patrol]

a godsend

[oblique meadow]

The more I learn what MMAP can do the more I love it

[agile flame]

it was more of a meme of a quest that a feature but his boss would drob this item which btw is really great item with great lore and logic my mod will add this item as a stand alone mod but with different obtaining logic and some other tweaks my mod would detect if his mod is present then use his logic instead of mine it was a fire idea to milk the consumers but he turned it down sadly

[ornate locust]

The alternative is just leaving a bunch of features completely unused because you can't code them yourself

[dusky sail]

my current main wip has 4 dependencies... 2 of which are smapi and content patcher. not that bad all things considered

[lucid iron]

i dont really think it is a problem if ppl make more frameworks and have feature overlap tho

[oblique meadow]

Technically true. But also, shhhhh 😜

[languid matrix]

A note: ALWAYS fill out the fish data before you try to hook it up. Otherwise your game will freeze upon reeling in the fish.

[agile flame]

bro is speaking from experince

[urban patrol]

i've come in here countless times asking "how can i do [x]" and at least 50% of the time the answer is "oh BETAS has that"

[obtuse wigeon]

MMAP alone is the reason I have modular furniture, connected textures are some of my fave things

[dusky sail]

if theres a feature i want and a framework that does it tho im gonna add it

[hard fern]

i would hope the fish would be datad before testing

[lucid iron]

even if i have some vague feelings about which framework is right place to house a feature

[soft lance]

Do NOT eat a fish with no texture, I did, loud beep, game froze, and crash

if it has X, do not eat it

[oblique meadow]

I don’t date fish. They’re not my type

[ornate locust]

Though I didn't succumb to the temptation to add a framework just for my coffee machine. BUT it turns out I needed it for a later thing, so now my coffee machine works

[uncut viper]

also "there'd be like 12 frameworks that do the same thing" just straight up isnt a thing right now anyway lol. why worry about that before it happens

[soft lance]

I like you, be my friend

[lucid iron]

i dont think we went above 4 yet right

[ornate locust]

I think the concern was more "if nobody uses frameworks and everyone just codes the feature, that's very redundant". The Butter Conundrum

[dusky sail]

yeah that was it

[languid matrix]

Yep. In hindsight, I'm surprised that the game froze instead of outright crashing.

[dusky sail]

Butter Compatibility Nightmare....

[oblique meadow]

Let’s all be honest here. If we make too many mods that do the same thing content patcher will notice and eat them.

[lucid iron]

yea that can happen see untimed special orders lol, but at least it hasn't caused real problems compat wise

[uncut viper]

if one wants to worry about feature overlap, they must only choose one of the big expansions to add otherwise theyre wasting untimed orders

[latent mauve]

That reminds me, I need to play with the Custom Doors feature on EMA again.

[uncut viper]

(me 🤝 chu same thought)

[languid matrix]

Is it possible to crash Stardew Valley using modded fishing?

[ornate locust]

I just think... why bother if someone else did it. Also I don't code C# so yoink

[soft lance]

In my opinion, I believe that if a framework is adding a lot of ability, release it, don't care about how other devs may interpret it, if it's very great to use (like the Fish Bobber Framework that got released a few months back!!) then it will be great

[lucid iron]

the evil will soon be defeated

praise 1.7 etc

[uncut viper]

it was a very good fish bobber framework

[urban patrol]

i await "button's better butter" mod

[soft lance]

Tortilla Framework

no..noo

[hard fern]

but would you date a cephalopod.

[lucid iron]

bery best bobber bramework

[hard fern]

butter cinematic universe

[oblique meadow]

They get handsy

[dusky sail]

cephalopods dont have hands

[soft lance]

sillly gooose

[urban patrol]

🅱️etter 🅱️utter 🅱️obbers

[lucid iron]

butter...

[hard fern]

butter bobber...

[oblique meadow]

Well then this is awkward…..

[soft lance]

buttered tortillas...

[ornate locust]

heck I was testing an event and I alt tabbed out and got distracted by frameworks and butter

[hard fern]

A cephalopod /ˈsɛfələpɒd/ is any member of the molluscan class Cephalopoda /sɛfəˈlɒpədə/ (Greek plural κεφαλόποδες, kephalópodes; "head-feet")[3] such as a squid, octopus, cuttlefish, or nautilus. These exclusively marine animals are characterized by bilateral body symmetry, a prominent head, and a set of arms or tentacles (muscular hydrostats) modified from the primitive molluscan foot.

[oblique meadow]

Anyway. I’m going back to modded farmers. It’s safer there.

[hard fern]

less cephalopods?

[dusky sail]

hey. entirely off topic. i wanted to put the abbreviations of my mods in my server nickname but my past goofs entirely screwed me over. naming two of your mods POG and UPDOG is all fun and games until you want recognizeability

[late pewter]

WHAT'S THIS ABOUT BUTTER???

[uncut viper]

my displayname is "Button," you get used to it

[hard fern]

my name is just a shrimp joke

[dusky sail]

you mean you arent a shrimp in real life?

[hard fern]

"pen

[uncut viper]

(and despite that its still 50/50 whether someone calls me Button or Buttons...)

[lucid iron]

wise spiderbutton of the parlour

[hard fern]

im half shrimp

half... uh... chaos.

[oblique meadow]

Which half?

[obtuse wigeon]

left half

[oblique meadow]

Nice

[hard fern]

the top half. my head is a shrimp

[agile flame]

quick question guys would any of yall download a mod that adds an item like a backpack but magical can be upgraded the more you progress giving from 5-30 slots of extra inventory but requires lots of grind can not be bought thru and got a lore with the wizard too

[uncut viper]

in their defense, spiderbuttons and Button are both the correct ways

[hard fern]

what if someone called u buton. like elliot

[obtuse wigeon]

I would, I have Item Bags installed but I'd still add it and use it

[uncut viper]

id probably respond to it without mentioning it like i do with Buttons

[oblique meadow]

I just read that in my head like Futon. And I hate it

[obtuse wigeon]

That's just Button's name in french

[drowsy pewter]

buttong

[agile flame]

you can think of my mod as a simple bags mod but not locked by coins but rather by how much the player can grind certain items do you think its decent at least?

also max 30 slots player cant have 2 of them

[lucid iron]

isnt this more like (the return of) custom backpack framework

[agile flame]

wait lemme search that

not really but there is difference both allows storing items but mine has logic has lore and is rewarding

[oblique meadow]

Nice backpack -
Well let me tell you the storage lore!

[urban patrol]

if you want to make it, i encourage you to make it and not worry about what others think!

[dusky sail]

if you build it they will come

[hard fern]

lol

yeah

i swear mod users come out of the woodworks

[agile flame]

think of having to kill lots of certain mobs around spending 30 days in the mines for the last upgrade just for 1 component you still need the metal you are gonna use there is tiers cooper iron gold iriduim and you need magical cloth too and its not a craftable or can be bought from someone you have to go to the wizard he will make it for you as a reward for completing his quest a player may be able to get the first one which is 5 slots only in spring if he spends alot in the mines and last upgrde could it take more than a year depending on how good the player is

[agile flame]

thanks

[dusky sail]

there's an audience for pretty much any mod you could make. so if youll have fun making it, then dont worry about if anyone will like it

[oblique meadow]

If I found an audience for exploding baby ammo. There’s an audience for anything 👍🏻

[agile flame]

thats what i love about this community almost no mod goes to waste as long as it ain't trash

[agile flame]

thats the real deal bro

like what are you doing with your life if not making such a masterpiece

[dusky sail]

if recentered tortillas can get 70 DLs then someone will download your quest backpack

[hard fern]

🤔 hm i wonder if it would be fine to release a mod that has little purpose first, then the mod that makes it useful second.

or should i just do it at the same time

[oblique meadow]

Respectfully, I’m not your bro. Please do not refer to me as such. I’m on the fence if I even like you currently

[dusky sail]

yeah i think thats fine forsy

[haughty charm]

I would say, though, that if the first mod is useless without the second, then it's best to release them together

[hard fern]

well it's not useless useless

[haughty charm]

Otherwise you risk losing the audience

[hard fern]

it just has minimal purpose outside of just looking pretty (it's flowers.)

[haughty charm]

Flowers are good

[uncut viper]

i thought "things that look pretty" was like 75% of what the sdv modding community wanted /lh

[oblique meadow]

There’s an incredibly massive audience for people who want “look pretty” mods

[agile flame]

alright human that good with you?

[obtuse wigeon]

If it's decor It shall be downloaded, it's the one constant in SDV

[haughty charm]

Let's not, please.

[oblique meadow]

I’m half tempted to just release the retro carpet I made as a standalone mod given how much people are enjoying it

[agile flame]

let's not what? am i missing something

[obtuse wigeon]

I do need more mods that add flowers decor, I seem to only find ones of just green plants, I love some colour on them

[urban patrol]

i feel like that sort of 90s aesthetic is seriously underrepresented in stardew, so you might have tapped a vein there for sure

[hard fern]

well it's not decor, i added an extra "fruit" to fruit trees so it will randomly produce either fruit or a flower. but it looks pretty if you don't really care about harvesting your fruit trees.

[haughty charm]

If someone asks you to respect their boundaries, please do so. Responding in a snarky way is not cool.

[oblique meadow]

Good point. Please hold. Making mod

[obtuse wigeon]

I would adore if you released it as a stand alone flooring

[agile flame]

mb didn't mean it not going to praise anyone no more

[obtuse wigeon]

I think I may be the perfect person, I never harvest fruit tress, they just look pretty

[haughty charm]

Cheetos play?

[hard fern]

people love retro stuff (right? i know irl they do)

[haughty charm]

I love retro stuff

[obtuse wigeon]

IKR I can hardly believe it myself!

[haughty charm]

I would download a retro carpet mod in a heartbeat

[hard fern]

i play! i made it to fall y1 😭

[agile flame]

depends not much people like black and white movies but most people like old songs

[oblique meadow]

Logo. Have you seen how awesome my retro carpet is?

[tame burrow]

when i become cheeto does that mean i can't play anymore

[haughty charm]

I have! And I want it

It's the rules, Axell

[dusky sail]

id play more often if i didnt have to do "real world responsibilities"

[obtuse wigeon]

Currently in spring 15, Y1 and I have wannted to restart atleast 5 times because of more mods

[tame burrow]

[haughty charm]

Though I break that rule all the time

[hard fern]

my real world responsibilities are sleeping

[haughty charm]

so take that and run with it

I'm about to hit 4000 hours in Stardew

[oblique meadow]

I've released 4 or 5 farm maps and havent played on a single one of them beyond testing

[dusky sail]

ive considered getting stardew on my phone and learning how to mod mobile just so i can play at work

[agile flame]

you can mod mobile???

[dusky sail]

only android

[haughty charm]

Good luck...mobile modding.

[tame burrow]

i haven't played in like 2 years but planning to when the next cornucopia mod drops

[high garden]

there needs to be a stardew auto clicker game on mobile

[agile flame]

when i used to play mobile you couldn't do anything really

but that was 3 years ish ago to be fair

[vernal crest]

We're using chu's Monster Variety. It allows for skins and custom drops for monsters, but their behaviour is the same as the vanilla monster. I think Monsters - the Framework is the only mod that allows for custom monster behaviour but I don't know if it works in 1.6.

[dusky sail]

one of my friends did suggest. hold on what did he say

tortilla tapper

[obtuse wigeon]

I'm at a hearty 780 hours, I was at 400 before I started modding like a month and a half ago

[haughty charm]

I don't think it does, Aba

[obtuse wigeon]

Ahhh gotcha, good to know! thank you!

[uncut viper]

i think chu should take what they learned making Trinket Tinker and make a new monsters framework

[agile flame]

rn all i can prove it i have 1h and 8 minutes of gameplay :

[ocean sail]

@agile flame You leveled up to Cowpoke. You can now speak in our voice channels and share images in all channels!

[agile flame]

ty govey

[haughty charm]

Scopecreeping chu...good plan

[obtuse wigeon]

Chu scope creeps themselves plenty... but a little extra couldn't hurt

[uncut viper]

chu also scope creeps me so its only fair

[obtuse wigeon]

ScopeCreep4ScopeCreep

[dusky sail]

if we all scope creep each other that just means more mod to enjoy

so its a good thing

[hard fern]

it also means we never finish anything

[dusky sail]

psh. i finish things. sometimes

[obtuse wigeon]

When people scope creep me, I forget to write it down then immediatly forget, I'm like immune to it, baso a super power at this point

[agile flame]

@sleek flint stop pepeing spy

[dusky sail]

someone scope creep me rn ill prove i can still finish my mod

[obtuse wigeon]

What mod is it?

[dusky sail]

(the trick is i dont tell anyone what im working on so the only person who can scope creep me is myself)

[agile flame]

tony stark?

[obtuse wigeon]

How about adding a a rainbow veriety

[dusky sail]

sorry i dont watch marvel movies so i dont get the reference

i already have a rainbow item

[sleek flint]

I am pepe I can't help it.

[late gull]

just wanna show off a pacman-like iminigame implementation i threw together on my day off today

[haughty charm]

oh that's adorable

[obtuse wigeon]

I am loving that you made the textures SDV too, that's fantastic

[sleek flint]

That's cool when are you releasing it?

[haughty charm]

I love that it's Krobus

[hard fern]

lol thats neat

[urban patrol]

omg collab with huskyninja's arcade when

[acoustic compass]

Oh my goodness I LOVE this! I would be so down for more SDV arcade games

[late gull]

Im working on a whole array of stardew themed arcade cabinets. hoping to push that in the next 2-3 weeks. this iminigame and a junimo pong one will be in my Ferngill Forest mod sometime this week once i polish them up

[karmic gust]

It's so cute

I love the void eggs being used, too. Really cute touches!

[agile flame]

impressive tbh in a single day too i know pepeople that can't do that in a week

[late gull]

not technically a day, most of the backend stuff was already written in the junimo pong one i made 😛

[verbal narwhal]

splicing vanilla sprites with custom sprites and listing this is allowed, right?

I mean I guess so, otherwise modding anything wouldn't be allowed

[haughty charm]

Yes!

[verbal narwhal]

thanks for the heads-up!

I made these and then took a glance at the crops spritesheet and thought to myself, I could make variations much easier

[haughty charm]

[hard fern]

those are so cute

[verbal narwhal]

thanks!!

[oblique meadow]

Apparently adding flooring is more a learning curve than I thought haha

[modest dagger]

just don't try to do pants you'll cry

[hard fern]

🤔 ok like i know how um... flavored/colored items are cool and all but

there's no way to get an npc to love a specific flavor/color of an item, is there?

[modest dagger]

look at lani for SBV she loves all yellow items

[hard fern]

but that's done via context tag right

[lucid iron]

which flavor of flooring do u need

[modest dagger]

i think so

[lucid iron]

the wall and floor or the paths and flooring

[hard fern]

what im looking for is like. not just generic color context tag

i want npcs to like a specific singular item

but i dont think i can do it if it's flavored

[oblique meadow]

THe flooring for like a farmhouse

or interior floor

[lucid iron]

u need the wall and floor then

[modest dagger]

oh yea adding flooring for a farmhouse is easy

paths require more work

i have a bunch of unreleased ones just sitting round 😭

[lucid iron]

{
  "Action": "EditData",
  "Target": "Data/AdditionalWallpaperFlooring",
  "Entries": {
    "{{ModId}}_floors": {
      "Id": "{{ModId}}_floors",
      "Texture": "{{ModId}}/wall_and_floor/floors",
      "IsFlooring": true,
      "Count": 8
    }
  }
},

[oblique meadow]

Im just stumbling my waythrough it

[lucid iron]

a quirk is that their tx must be 256 wide

there is really nothing more to it than this tho

[timid meteor]

Hellooo, I'm a new modder trying to override a base game event sprite that another mod changes. I've tried EditImage and Load, but it's not working, and I'm not seeing any errors/warning. Any advice?

[lucid iron]

!json

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[timid meteor]

https://smapi.io/json/none/5cb8cd7dbaf3439e986b1806f9a8775f

[drowsy pewter]

no you cant

[hard fern]

[obtuse wigeon]

(your format is out of date, current format is 2.8.0, but that likely isn't your issue)

[hard fern]

well, i guess i can just make a unique item

i always wanted to make fancy little sprites

[lucid iron]

your target is incorrect

hm also you are using Load

[timid meteor]

The EditImage actually works as they changed the sprites but I'm having trouble with the load ones

[lucid iron]

1. Characters/AngelOfStars.Mrqifriendable_TheMrQi and Characters/AngelOfStars.Mrqifriendable_TheMrQi_Winter are fine
2. The other ones are not fine because the original mod simply targets Characters/MrQi

you would also have to EditImage Characters/MrQi

[timid meteor]

ohhhh

[lucid iron]

an additional problem is that this depends on the gender of mr qi that day

there's 2 things you can do here

1. ask the author if they can include the compatibility on their end, it's not too bad but you'd have to let Lily have your sprites
2. access the QiGender dynamic token using this mod

[timid meteor]

ohh i see, thank you! i’ll try it out and work through it

[oblique meadow]

Ok. Im sorry. Im somehow stuck. I have my tilesheet that is 256 wide x 32 high. it's a 32x32 square.

This is the code:

    "Format": "2.8.0",
    "Changes": [
            
             
                    {
            "Action": "Load",
            "Target": "Mods/{{ModId}}/Flooring",
            "FromFile": "Assets/Retrofloor.png"
        },
{
  "Action": "EditData",
  "Target": "Data/AdditionalWallpaperFlooring",
  "Entries": {
    "{{ModId}}_floors": {
      "Id": "{{ModId}}_floors",
      "Texture": "Assets/Retrofloor.png",
      "IsFlooring": true,
      "Count": 4
    }
  }
},
    ]
}```

Its not in game

[obtuse wigeon]

texture is the Load Target right?

[lucid iron]

yea pls change that to Mods/{{ModId}}/Flooring

[obtuse wigeon]

so Mods/{{ModId}}/Flooring

(you beat me again Chu, I can buy out joja with the amount of sodas I owe)

[oblique meadow]

ok. its in game but not applying to the floor

So progress!

[dusky sail]

@hard fern you cant make a villager like a specific flavored item but you can make your machine produce both generic flavored items and the specific item that they like? Would that work?

And you can also make the machine produce different items based on context tags if you wanna make them like it baded on color or whatever

I guess i assumed machine without any evidence. Oops

[hard fern]

nah it's totally a machine. making it produce generic flavored items works but like. what would i do with the generic....

do i dare ask about casks

[oblique meadow]

HA

Works

[obtuse wigeon]

Woo! congrats!

[obtuse wigeon]

It's perfect, as jarring and colourful as the real deal

[dusky sail]

I find in cases where non-generics have specific uses its ok to just have the generics be sellable. Then it becomes a game of figuring out which things will produce cool unique ones

[versed moss]

Hello was i pinged for something. Cause I can't quite find it?

[uncut viper]

you can click the inbox in the top right of discord to see messages pinging you. but someone mentioned accidentally replying to a message from a year ago earlier, so that may have been in it if you dont see anything

[obtuse wigeon]

Does FashionSense support clothes that automatically change based on season?

[clever turret]

How does the phone pick which portrait to use when calling a shop?
I'm looking to make it so that (post-Community Centre) Shane watches the shop counter at the ranch on Monday, Tuesday, and Marnie and Jas's clinic days and want to be sure the phone portrait reflects that properly

[uncut viper]

hardcoded NPC names

(as well as hardcoded schedule checks among other misc checks)

[clever turret]

Based on who is currently the shop "Owner"? Or it's always Marnie for her shop regardless of who is running it?

[uncut viper]

the latter, its always Marnie

[clever turret]

Drat

[uncut viper]

likewise its always Robin for the carpenter shop, Marlon for the adv guild, and Clint for the blacksmith

and gus and pierre for the saloon and store

[clever turret]

Time to learn C# I suppose

[ornate locust]

oh my god

I just had a violently vivid flashback to our local skate rink with that carpet

was twelve again for a second

[oblique meadow]

Then my mod accomplished the nostalgia it aimed for

[urban patrol]

"summer": "MAIL beachBridgeFixed/GOTO summer_noBridge/900 LeahHouse 3 7 3 leah_sculpt/1200 Beach 72 18 2 leah_draw/1900 LeahHouse 8 5 0/2200 LeahHouse 13 10 2/2400 LeahHouse 2 4 3 leah_sleep", is beachBridgeFixed a mail flag? it's not anywhere on the wiki list of mail flags as far as i can tell. should i add it to the wiki and the modding wiki list of mail flags if so?

[inland rain]

Show Players Behind Map Tiles now has gradual fading in and out https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/6540

[brave fable]

it used to be:
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Modding:Mail_data&oldid=177351
apparently not suitable

[urban patrol]

oh hmm :/ any idea what i should use instead?

or is there a general world state GSQ or something?

[inland rain]

it's a variable in the Beach class now

[brave fable]

i'm not sure if you actually can query it via CP

[urban patrol]

damn wow

i suppose i have a 1.7 request then lol

[inland rain]

wasn't there a mod that let you run C# in Content Patcher?

[urban patrol]

and i assume writing a schedule entry like this wouldn't work would it?

[uncut viper]

HasFlag works with world state IDs

[urban patrol]

oh sick okay

[uncut viper]

and there are also three world state GSQs already

its not a Beach class variable

also im not sure why writing the schedule entry like that wouldnt work if it works for Leah

the MAIL schedule thing checks for mail and world state IDs

[inland rain]

bridgeFixed? it is in the Beach class

[uncut viper]

bridgeFixed is not beachBridgeFixed

[inland rain]

sorry, I probably misunderstand

oh sorry

[uncut viper]

bridgeFixed is a netbool in the Beach class, beachBridgeFixed is the world state ID that gets set when its fixed

[brave fable]

the confusion between mail and flags strikes again

[urban patrol]

that makes a lot more sense because i'm sure i'm not the first CP author to write a conditional based on it being fixed lmao

i'll use HasFlag, but out of curiosity, would this be the appropriate GSQ? is there a list of world state IDs?

[uncut viper]

that would be the GSQ to use yes

[urban patrol]

awesome thanks

do NPCs prefer NPCWarps over regular warps? do they prioritize the shortest length of tiles/the fewest number of maps? (with spacecore)

i realized i could probably avert this in the first place by adding an NPC warp

[lucid mulch]

So at the macro level, vanilla will just use the first way it finds to route from BusStop to Beach (Spacecore will make it fewest number of maps) but in either approach it doesn't know the size of the individual maps (or if that route is even walkable)

at the individual map level it will A* pathfind to try to use shortest path, but it wont attempt to avoid other warps which will doom it

[late pewter]

Is it remotely possible with only Content Patcher to make a crop plant drop multiple different possible drops with different percentage chances for each?
e.g. some weird depraved mutant fish crop that you can get several different possible fish from, mostly carp (75%), maybe a largemouth bass or a bullhead (24%), maybe even a sturgeon if you are very lucky (1%).

[drowsy pewter]

no

not at all

vanilla game data model cannot even do more than one crop drop

[lucid mulch]

in general when thinking in pure content patcher, you need to think in terms of vanilla mechanics

[drowsy pewter]

If you do a wild tree or fruit tree then yes you can do multiple drops with different chances

if you want the crop you need Spacecore; BETAS also can do a trigger based on the crop harvested and Selph is also working on something else that can do multiple crop drops

[late pewter]

What about a new kind of geode?

[drowsy pewter]

yeah

[uncut viper]

(BETAS cant change the crop that does drop or drop an item on the ground though so maybe dont look at BETAS)

[drowsy pewter]

you can do a geode

[late pewter]

Crop drops the geode, bust the geode open for stuff. Like fish or something.

[drowsy pewter]

im curious why you dont want to add spacecore though

[late pewter]

I barely made a very simple crop and one cooking mod recipe work right, I don't think I'm ready to make something complicated enough to require Spacecore.

[uncut viper]

spacecore is used by over 1,000 mods because it isnt complicated and makes previously unavailable tasks available

[brittle pasture]

(crop feature, including main drop override is released in Machine Terrain Framework (and Aquatic Crops - formerly Custom Tapper Framework) now, feel free to be a guinea pig)

[late pewter]

And I still haven't released the one crop mod because I'm terrified it only works in very specific circumstances.

[late pewter]

Ok, so with Spacecore, can the original concept described be done relatively simply?

[uncut viper]

-# and Knuckles

[late pewter]

PREFERABLY WITH NO C# OR C++

[brave fable]

Did you know? SpaceCore is used on over 4 billion devices worldwide.

[uncut viper]

C++ isnt used in any stardew modding whatsoever

[brittle pasture]

what spacecore (and most frameworks really) do is expose a new asset for you to edit, in the same vein as vanilla's assets (like Data/Crops)

[lucid mulch]

The closest I can think of would be Sunflower seeds, but its hardcoded behaviour and not data driven

[brittle pasture]

if you know how to do an edit targeting an asset, you know how to use frameworks (and all the features they enable)

no need to tinker with C#

[late pewter]

Just barley enough?

[late pewter]

Oh whew! That's good to know.

[uncut viper]

spacecore allows you to control what each crop drops in each phase of its growth according to an item spawn query

[drowsy pewter]

honestly doing multi drops OR geode method is gonna be more complex lol

if ur that scared

[late pewter]

Wait wait wait, so I can have a crop that has, like, 7 stages, and each stage except the 1st has a unique drop, and every time you harvest it, it goes back to the 1st stage?

[late pewter]

Gotta work my way up the complexity ladder. Preferably slowly, gently, and methodically.

[uncut viper]

as i understand it, yes. better still, you can choose which phase it goes to when harvested, according to the docs

not just phase 1

[late pewter]

I am filled with Terrifying Ideas.

[vernal crest]

Yeah you control which phase it goes to

[late pewter]

*goes to go find the Spacecore Documentation*

[uncut viper]

ive not personally used it though, so i cannt help actually implement it, but that is what the docs say and im sure someone here has used it enough to help, if you catch them when theyre around

you'll want to look for CropExtensionData

in its docs, that is. dont go looking in the source code

[brave fable]

you say docs. but it is simply doc

one rather long Doc

[uncut viper]

they link to gists though that are also used as documentation. ergo docs

normally i might not consider gist snippets to be docs but in spacecore's case that is the only form of documentation for some things so, alas

[brave fable]

oh, i don't think i've seen the gists

[vernal crest]

I have used it so I can help

[brittle pasture]

(though main drop override and extra drops won't work if spacecore's crop expansion data is used since it skips the relevant code that's being patched. everything else works though)

why did that take so long to send

[ornate locust]

Discord bein a little weird today

it ate the whole server earlier

[hard fern]

yeah lol

it did

[drowsy pewter]

Crop and Machine Feature Framework (formerly Machine Terrain Framework - and Aquatic Crops [formerly Custom Tapper Framework])

[hard fern]

what did i just read

[uncut viper]

featuring Dante

[hard fern]

does it feature the inferno too

[uncut viper]

idk i never played DMC

[late pewter]

Ok new question: Can just Content Patcher add a new kind of Tappable Wild Tree? I've seen plenty of fruit trees, but no wild trees (Unless I'm just blind/not paying attention)

[dusky sail]

Yea

Ive been workin on one myself actually

[late pewter]

Ooh, neat!

[dusky sail]

I even managed to make a wild tree that drops a new item instead of wood or hardwood (showing off!!! Boasting!! Dont mind me)

There's documentation on the stardew wiki's modding hub on how to do wild tree data using content patcher

[brittle pasture]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Wild_trees

when in doubt read through the index

[late pewter]

[dusky sail]

In case u were curious. My theory is that fruit trees are more common than wild trees bc for fruit trees you can just make someone sell the sapling and its in the world. But for wild trees youd expect to have to do map patches to make it spawn in places like the vanilla wild trees do

Im still considering whether i wanna do map patches for mine or just make the seed readily available and let people plant it wherever they do their tree farms

[brittle pasture]

well you can also have people sell the seeds

[dusky sail]

You can yeah

[brittle pasture]

irl there’s a lot more trees that make fruits/flowers/whathaveyous than trees that make something other than sap when tapped

[brave fable]

honestly the custom tapper economy is in shambles

where are the bird houses. the possum boxes. the ant mines

how can i harvest possum eggs when nobody's making custom tappers

[brittle pasture]

I did make bird houses at least

[late pewter]

I'm vaguely considering a Birch tree you tap for Birch Sap and then stick in a Jar for Birch Beer....

But studying feasibility first

[brittle pasture]

they give you crap most of the time but it’s the thoughts that counts

[brave fable]

that does sound like birds

[hard fern]

Is this part of the poop cinematic universe

[brave fable]

might need to look at this Zombifier guy's nexus page

[dusky sail]

Haha whos that (joke)

[brittle pasture]

(both SVE and VMV adds birch trees and birch sap in fact, but there’s totally a market for a wild tree that’s not tied to an expansion)

[hard fern]

There's a guy on YouTube who likes eating trees and every video there's some new tree ive never heard of

[late pewter]

Oh yeah, I want "Simple Standalone Birch tree" essentially.

[brittle pasture]

eating… trees? 🦫

[late pewter]

Like a Beaver? Are they a Beaver??

[brave fable]

@brittle pasture

Suggestions for more buildings are greatly welcome.
possum boxes that spawn possum critters on the farm thanks bye royalties please

butterfly hutch but for possums and nailed to a tree

[hard fern]

Ok to be accurate he boils them for their essence and turns that into ice cream. Or cookies or something but like he's totally eating those trees.

[brave fable]

recipe from linus, 50% dp

[brittle pasture]

I will make sure to send you 50% of the DP earned if I get around to adding that

[ornate locust]

oh no the birch tree is buttering

[patent lance]

New quote added by bblueberry as #6625 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/1414856893406515344)

[ornate locust]

(I jest, birch away, I just enjoy Butter as a verb)

[late pewter]

Butter Tree? I suppose that would be easier than adding a Butter churn bigcraftable and figuring out how to make it turn milk into butter but only if you have a salt in your inventory and then I need to figure out where salt comes from...

[ornate locust]

oh man imagine sitting under a butter tree and it drips on you

Bad place for a picnic

[hard fern]

The mines? Or you have to collect seawater and extract the salt from it via dehydrator and....

Well.

One of those is easier than the other

[late pewter]

Or... I can have Gus sell Butter trees.

[brave fable]

i think someone here found a sprite for salt with the minerals on the springobjects sheet, it's got an unused data/objects entry

[late pewter]

IDK

[brave fable]

so in theory you would've cracked it from geodes

[late pewter]

I probably will not make a Butter Tree

[ornate locust]

Birch is a good tree, aesthetically pleasing, tasty products

[late pewter]

Oh I think I know which sprite you're talking about. So that's what that stuff is supposed to be.

[hard fern]

this is the only thing that looks reasonably like salt

[late pewter]

Yes yes, need to keep scope in check. Only Birch, no Butter. Butter can be seperate.

[dusky sail]

Salt has been rocks this whole time... maybe abigail knows what shes talking about

[late pewter]

Yeah! That one!

[hard fern]

#making-mods-general message

[brave fable]

salt is truly one of the world's most edible rocks

[hard fern]

😔 i found the salt a few months ago

[dusky sail]

Noooo dont keep scope in check. Get scope creeped. Cmonnnnnn itll be fun

[late pewter]

I uh... may have thought it was a rock flower and added it to my [AT] pack as a decorative.

[hard fern]

UGH I HIT THE WRONG BUTTON AND SET SPRINGOBJECTS AS MY DESKTOP WALLPAPER AGAIN

[late pewter]

I prefer project count creep. Butter Tree will be another mod for later.

Maybe

[ornate locust]

The original joke about butter was that there's about ten different kinds of butter depending on mod, I was not genuinely suggesting a butter tree. It'd be funny though

[urban patrol]

i'm sorry for laughing but this is hilarious that that's 1. possible 2. has happened multiple times apparently

[hard fern]

send help

[urban patrol]

#justmodauthorproblems

[late pewter]

I hope Nexus doesn't give me the side eye for having dozens and dozens of tiny mods....

[ornate locust]

with the Tortilla Incident, mods like that where there's many variants is just on my mind

[hard fern]

uhh it might if you have DP on

[ornate locust]

Eh, nah.

I can tell you the kinds of mods they got mad at over that and it was that one guy who put up at least 200 mods that were all "Shout that makes specific NPC perform specific r-rated action" for Skyrim

[late pewter]

I do not have DP on and would probably even then only enable it for a small subsection of my mods. Mainly ones I am actually proud of. Not the Tortilla ones, basically.

[ornate locust]

or the guy who was putting out single t-shirt designs for... think it was Cyberpunk. but like fifty of them

the most blatant DP farming you can imagine

[lucid mulch]

also it was mods that rather than updating their mod just released the update on a new nexus page so all downloads were unique downloads

[ornate locust]

Those too, oh god those

I think I still have the shout guy blocked because he was single-handedly flooding out the Skyrim new files page

[late pewter]

I'm keeping a running list of weird mod ideas. Exotic Butters is one of them.

No guarantee all of them will be made, but they're there if I want them.

[dusky sail]

I kinda wanna make another mini mod

[ornate locust]

That's what my "scope creep" column is for!

[dusky sail]

But no.... i must stay true to the path and finish my main projects

[hard fern]

i was about to be like "oh maybe i should work on my mod" but then i remembered Bottle Hell

[brave fable]

almost 5pm. almost time to make a new pair of pants

[ornate locust]

I just put out my biggest, most complicated event yet and I am MODDING BUSHED

[dusky sail]

I cant believe you dont wanna trade with me forsy. Is learning 3 foreign languages even that hard (yes)

[ornate locust]

one event to go and he'll have all his heart events

[late pewter]

Be like me and be aimless with no specific main projects! (Not true, I do have a Main project, but it's [AT] so easy to maintain)

[late pewter]

What mod do you make? Is it the sad buff eyepatch man one?

[ornate locust]

and then I can... maybe play... the game

Pelican Town Municipal. I've just got it out in alpha on the East Scarp and Sunberry servers

[late pewter]

Oh ok!

[ornate locust]

he's a Andy Griffith kind of sheriff

and I think it's officially a year I've been working on it...

[late pewter]

Hmm... I'm not finding it for some reason? Is it not released yet?

[ornate locust]

I've got a thread in Modmaking in Sunberry if you want to check it out. Or in Useful Files in East Scarp. It isn't Nexus released yet... I want to get it finished first.

and those guys kindly let me put it up so I can get some testing in

Nothing beats people actually playing a thing for testing

[late pewter]

Ah, I see.

[hard fern]

do you have some kind of pants quota you have to meet or Else

[ornate locust]

or else Blueberry isn't wearing pants when they go out

[brave fable]

interest and inspiration are rare and fleeting feelings

[ornate locust]

mood

[brave fable]

as the saying goes, strike while the coffee is hot

[late pewter]

Oh no it's past my bedtime, I have work tomorrow

[drowsy pewter]

tree talk

I want to make a machine that peels bark from custom wild trees

we're turning our cinnamon tree into a wild tree

I have to wait for a big content update before i break everyones trees at once tho

[late pewter]

A mod I play adds Sassafras trees, and to get the bark, you have to chop the trees down. They set the seed drop-rate pretty high and there's lots of places to go buy more seeds.

Alternatively, I've seen Cinnamon trees before. They're fruit trees. Shake it for one cinnamon per day.

[ornate locust]

6480 with a big axe, coming for your trees

[drowsy pewter]

Yeah, I'm the one that adds the cinnamon tree.

[late pewter]

Also Raffadax, IIRC

[drowsy pewter]

was also thinking the update would break olive bushes so they become tall custom bushes, but dont think matt finished that feature (?) might add tree size framework as a new dependency or something

sigh, much to do..

[clever turret]

What about making it drop like hazelnuts do from maple trees in fall, just with a very high chance so you can get it consistently

Or maybe working similarly to moss from basic wild trees, though perhaps with harvesting with a scythe/weapon disabled since that might not feel quite right

[drowsy pewter]

It can also drop occasionally when you shake it, or drop when you chop it

I would love to make it possible to use a scythe or something but I dont think I can without C#

[echo orbit]

hey so I was wondering how I could actually start with making my first mod, I have a base idea and I want to go from there, I have no previous c# experience and that worries me ;-;

[drowsy pewter]

I won't add the machine in More Crops, but plan to add more wild trees in a future mod

[drowsy pewter]

Hi, do you have an idea for what you might be interested in making?

[echo orbit]

definitely

[drowsy pewter]

You do not need to use C# or heavy programming to make a lot of mods

[echo orbit]

it's a mod called "Cornfields Expanded"

[drowsy pewter]

*touches sprite longingly* my love... wait for me and i shall return one day... after i slay the beast named Cooking Recipes

[echo orbit]

I want to add several new areas, tweak little paths, add new NPCs and dialogue, add new NPC events, add new crafting and cooking recipies, animals and crops and make certain existing NPCs dateable

[drowsy pewter]

I see

you can do all of that with Content Patcher, which is not C# programming

so start here

!cp

[ocean sail]

Content Patcher (https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/1915) is a mod which loads content packs to change the game's images and data without replacing XNB files. If you want to make mods using Content Patcher, start at https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Content_Patcher.

To use this command, type !cp.

[echo orbit]

neato

[drowsy pewter]

sounds like a lot to start all at once though

[echo orbit]

out of curiosity

[drowsy pewter]

so i might suggest start with a crop or a map change and go from there

[echo orbit]

what requires c#?

[drowsy pewter]

Changing game mechanics themselves

[echo orbit]

I'm ambitious and I have time

[drowsy pewter]

You can also start with an NPC, but those have a lot of moving parts, so you should at least find something to work on to get used to the format first

!npc

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Creating a Custom NPC

Keep in mind that making NPCs is a complex process that requires learning many different aspects of Stardew modding.
Here are a few links that can help get you started on all that you need to know:

• Tiakall has a great tutorial on making a custom NPC for 1.6.

• NPCs no longer use dispositions, check the wiki page for the new NPC data.

• Feel free to jump into the https://discord.com/channels/137344473976799233/1277457201077813280 thread for more interactive feedback and help!

• Fireredlily has a WIP NPC Builder Please do report any errors you get with it into the NPC thread!

To use this command, type !npc.

[echo orbit]

aighto

[drowsy pewter]

(first link)

[echo orbit]

you're really helpful

thankss

[drowsy pewter]

no probs

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would you recommend starting the mod in 1.6

[drowsy pewter]

You basically have to

If you write a mod for 1.5, getting help will be a lot more difficult. The modding formats changed a lot between 1.5 and 1.6

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I see I see

also I play a lot of modded, should I make another SMAPI installation for development specifically?

[ornate locust]

and 1.6 makes alot of things frankly nicer to do

I use Stardrop, it lets me have a testing profile and a normal profile

so I can play and if I need to test something, swap to an empty one with just what I need

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what's stardrop

[ornate locust]

Mod manager

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/10455

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ooo

now we're cooking with fire

[ornate locust]

the profiles are super handy

[echo orbit]

WAIT FIR

I WANNA ADD FIR TREES NOW

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oh well uh

my... playing profile is... 1.5.6

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yeah

[ornate locust]

hm, I suspect THAT will be more complicated

[hard fern]

uhhh good luck. i guess

you;ll need it

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I play 1.5.6 but I'd like to develop 1.6

[ornate locust]

I think you'd need like... another installation of Stardew Valley for that

[drowsy pewter]

I just have two mod folders, one for development and one for playing. SMAPI lets you link up more than one mod folder without anything else needed

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I already have stardew on steam

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oh?

[drowsy pewter]

Yeah if you want to play 1.5.6 but develop in 1.6, you can copy your stardew game elsewhere on your PC and keep the two files separate

its totally possible

[ornate locust]

Oh good

[echo orbit]

can't I just

[ornate locust]

I will bow to the number on this one, I wasn't sure on the logistics

[drowsy pewter]

thanks to stardew being drm free

[hard fern]

900 thousand copies of stardew on my desktop

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have a SMAPI 1.5.6 folder and a SMAPI 1.6 folder

[ornate locust]

SMAPI isn't the thing that is patched

it is The Entire Game

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my steam stardew installation and my modded are different fsr

[drowsy pewter]

dont know what that means

i'm sure you'll figure it out though

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like

they're not linked for some reason

probably because I copied the SMAPI folder from my old laptop

[drowsy pewter]

so probably yes, you can just update the steam one then

and install SMAPI 4.0 into the steam files

[echo orbit]

do custom crops require a specific set of growth sprites? and what's the px of a tile

[drowsy pewter]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Crop_data
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Objects

I have a template/example crop mod that you can copy from to make your own
https://github.com/6480k/6480-Stardew-Mods/tree/main/[CP] Mouse-Ear Cress

Sorry, forgot theres an actual tutorial now
https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Adding_a_New_Crop

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!unpack you will need to unpack your game files to do this much modding

[ocean sail]

Follow this guide to unpack the game's content files in order to see and explore how the game data is structured.
It's helpful when making your own mods, or just to learn about how the game works!

To use this command, type !unpack.

[vernal crest]

And you can definitely have different versions of the game - I have 1.5, 1.6, and 1.7 installed. They each have their own SMAPI versions installed.

[stark spindle]

I haven't started looking at any of the 1.7 stuff yet. Do you think its worth it to start looking at compat already or can i be lazy for another while?