making-mods-general

[soft lance]

Yeah, if we're heading in c# (I am refering to content patchers, but this can also work), it does slightly change in how the code is distributed

[red egret]

If i wanted to make animated furniture, is it the best to make it with: content patcher animations / spacecore / AT / furniture framework?

[soft lance]

Ah, my bad, I am used to hearing the term as if the source is fully visible and editable, I should have said source-available with personal use only license, which most are on there

[gentle rose]

(but the 63% estimate is actually for source available, meaning that the other 37% of c# mods are not without decompiling. Many of them are perfectly trustworthy and even widely accepted, so let's not start saying that mods that aren't source-available are sketchy.)

[brittle ledge]

!moddingwiki plenty on the modding wiki, including one for adding new fish to the game!

[ocean sail]

You can find modding guides in two places:

• intro to modding and technical docs: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Index;
• various modding tutorials: https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg.

To use this command, type !moddingwiki.

[brittle ledge]

(second link here)

[pine elbow]

do yall use them

[zenith sapphire]

Guys before i totally destroy my mod , what I'm doing wrong? xD
https://smapi.io/log/f627068d46cb4817960cb193d46ec52f?Levels=warn~error~alert~critical

https://smapi.io/json/none/e74f52e61ae7458db630ca64fe1306e4#code.6840

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.3.2 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.26100.0, with 63 C# mods and 166 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[zenith sapphire]

The last thing i added to the code before it broke , was the last part of the code called //ANIMATIONS

[soft lance]

How do you know the estimates? I'm curious, these are very exact..not saying that they aren't true, but it's really shocking to have that data. And yes, I stand corrected, I made a simple mistake, my bad, been too busy working on my fishies to pay attention to my words. I have a similar licensing for a project of mine under the CC-BY-NC-ND-4.0 license

[zenith sapphire]

Hey tiakall i wanted to thank you because your mod helped me to understand a how fish can be added to this game and now I'm addicted to it!!

[calm nebula]

#making-mods-general message

[gentle rose]

there are stats available through the mod dump (see the pinned messages for the latest one)

[pine elbow]

i just dont want to be the only one using them

[gentle rose]

you're overthinking this

use whatever learning method works for you to make the thing you want to make. there's no right or wrong here as long as you aren't stealing

[soft lance]

Interesting, what mods have you made before?

[brittle ledge]

the modding wiki gets linked frequently, along with specific tutorials, and I see people asking questions about them in here occasionally, you're definitely not the only one

[pine elbow]

thank you irocendar

thank you for being patient

[brittle ledge]

think you're good

[gentle rose]

personally? my own currently published mods are pretty minor and kind of old tbh, there's like a pet renamer, an event utility I really need to update, and something that changes light radiuses

[zenith sapphire]

Guys this line need to go before or after the closure of the [] of the "Changes:" ?

[soft lance]

ahh gotcha, I'm working on a fish mod that adds like 15-20 fishies, mainly for the beach and ginger island water's

it'll be my first mod for stardew so thats nice

[brittle ledge]

All of your patches need to be inside the Changes brackets, yes.

[pine elbow]

brackets are infuriating

[zenith sapphire]

Thanks! i was doing a very bad mistake!

[brittle ledge]

wait til you meet commas

[gentle rose]

my current project is a portrait framework that supports things like context-dependent portraits, animations, and easily picking portraits for each npc

[soft lance]

.json refuses to allow commas (but you can and I believe Content Patcher or SMAPI, whichever read your .json, will still accept the valid code)

If u want commas just add a README.md or a DOCUMENTATION.md, makes it easier

[soft lance]

Oooo very nicee!! I wish u very good luck with it, sounds very useful

[gentle rose]

you're thinking of comments, lucy. tia is talking about commas, the punctuation

[soft lance]

you know, I only got four hours of sleep

[brittle ledge]

[soft lance]

I'm starting to think if I need to go to bed

[brittle ledge]

don't code tired, Future You will thank you

[gentle rose]

of course in my message talking about commas I missed clicking the comma key though

[soft lance]

yes, comments, the //, or --, or #, depending on your language

the minions have seized me and I am now gone

[soft lance]

😭

[brittle ledge]

and you are correct, comments are technically invalid in JSON but that sign can't stop me

(someone's done schemas for JSONC which allows comments)

[soft lance]

aaaaaaaaa, honestly I just made a documentation.md that contains the documentation for my scripts

ofc in anything other than .json you will be fine using comments normally

[pine elbow]

me making c sharp codes me needing to make contet packs also god this is hard

[brittle ledge]

mine are generally either labeling small bits of code so I remember what they are/what they're for/why I did that, or flagging stuff in my i18n for translators, so inline works better than documentation for me but I'm also doing CP, not C#

[soft lance]

Ahh gotcha...translators..oh boy once I am ready I gotta translate my stuff to spanish chinese etc, shouldn't be too hard since its literally just like 20 fish and descriptions

If you got a ton of dialogue then I wish u well 😭

[brittle ledge]

Do you speak those languages? If not, I'd let the folks doing translations help instead of doing MTL

(they may still be using MTL, but hopefully editing it so it makes sense)

[soft lance]

German and Arabic, I know buddies who speak chinese

but yeah I can get a few down

because google translate can make that very off point:

"Cute Fish" to:
"Wonderfuly Deliciously God-like Fish"

like dang thats a lot since they didnt have the word cute

[hard fern]

wonderfully deliciously god-like fish.... sounds like something you'd find in an isekai manga

[brittle ledge]

Yeah, I wouldn't attempt a translation INTO a language I'm not at least somewhat familiar with, because you'd have no idea it it was nonsense or not

[lucid iron]

unfortunately that arabic is not a supported lang rn

rtl woes

[pine elbow]

how do i deal with dang brackets

[soft lance]

1, 2, or 3, which do you guys like best? It's suppose to be a pirate fish/hook fish

apologizes for my poor editing skills in advance

[brittle pasture]

@brave fable latest version of Machine Terrain Framework (and Aquatic Crops - formerly Custom Tapper Framework) should fix the compat issue

it also introduces a bunch of other crap that I'm kinda nervous releasing into the world

[calm nebula]

[wraith bay]

I would like to request the mod author role please. https://next.nexusmods.com/profile/JennaJuffuffles/mods @outer glacier

[lucid iron]

You mean you released more features to public QA

[pine elbow]

how do i fix my brackets

or just in genral make them less of a pain

[soft lance]

Hi guys!!! New compat fix!

I also recoded the core libraries, and changed the names of everything! No need for QA, or a PR, I'm gonna ship it to the live environment ASAP!

• How the story goes

[soft lance]

AAA I LOVE YOUR MODS, they are so adorable

[wraith bay]

awww ty lucy!!

[soft lance]

np! also ur thumbnails r very captivating, what is that adorable font? my favorite is ur crab pot duckies 😭

seems popular too, the most I ever got on a "mod" is 92k, for a userstyle for websites

[lucid iron]

Your fish mod will get 1 flipperillion downloads on day 1 trust

[red egret]

If i wanted to make animated furniture, is it the best to make it with: content patcher animations / spacecore / AT / furniture framework?

[lucid iron]

Well not CPA

[wheat finch]

CPA is deprecated isn't it?

[soft lance]

I believe spacecore, that guy who made animations to all fish and food did that

[lucid iron]

AT depends on whether you want the AT user experience stuff

[red egret]

what is the easiest to make?

[lucid iron]

Spacecore probably

Assuming it is all new furniture

[soft lance]

lol idm who downloads, i dont care bout fame/"downloads", as long as people actually like my work, i just like fishiiesss

[red egret]

yea new

[lucid iron]

Yeah I'd say spacecore just cus most people have it already

Plus u can do the catalogue

[soft lance]

yup, I'd recommend looking at https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/5662

This mod I believe uses Spacecore

[lucid iron]

(self promo) u can also make animated furniture with mmap but i wouldn't do that unless there's other things from mmap u wanna use

[soft lance]

this may have the knowledge inside on how to make one, but I don't know

[lucid iron]

Furniture framework is similar deal

[red egret]

what does mmap do?

[lucid iron]

You can add draw layers to furniture

[soft lance]

i legit thought u said nmap and was gonna ask how a network packet scanner can make animated furniture for stardew

[wraith bay]

I used Brushberry for the cursive and Brushberry Sans Two for the solid font. I'm actually in the process of redesigning all of my graphics though 😅 sneak peak.

[pine elbow]

feel like an idiot now

[lucid iron]

Unfortunately i live in C lands instead of network lands

[soft lance]

ooo, omg thats great! u are a very good designer

[hard fern]

why do ppl like animated stuff so much

[lucid iron]

So it's name after a different and equally nerdy thing

[soft lance]

networking can be a pain..trust..don't do unless u love it, I am drowning in classes of it

[soft lance]

i like it for fish, it makes them cute 🙂

[red egret]

a new challenge 🙂

[lucid iron]

Besides draw layer nonsense u can also make them passable

Like an arch

[wraith bay]

aww shucks, i'm ok. im a professional designer tho, so i should be ok at this part at least lol

[red egret]

ooohhh

[lucid iron]

Docs https://github.com/Mushymato/MiscMapActionsProperties/blob/main/docs/furniture-properties.md

But yeah i wouldn't do this if all you want is animated furniture

Just use spacecore it's straightforward

[red egret]

all right, spacecore it is, ty

[soft lance]

I develop apps for windows/mac/linux, and code games, I'd rather code an application that works across Windows XP-11, Linux glibc 2.15+, MacOS 11+, and FreeBSD 10+. I have done that, don't do that, but I cannot imagine art.

In no way am I capable of art, I am too logical for it. I am trying to force myself to learn, and it took me two hours for THIS, just THIS, that is how long it takes me to imagine, my brain is slow

#making-mods-general message

[wheat finch]

Sign in to nexus for the first time in a while. Comment on my mod that adds a crafting blueprint for the auto-petter. "It's not petting the animals." SIGH. IIRC the auto-petter doesn't actually ever visibly pet the animals it just functionally makes the animals have the flag for the day, yes? So in theory this "issue" has nothing to do with the mod right?

[lucid iron]

Assuming you are just a content patcher mod, it's unlikely to be your fault

[wheat finch]

100% content patcher. It was my first ever mod I made. I have no coding skills.

[lucid iron]

You can always join the C# gang

[soft lance]

I'd rather swim with the fishies, I have a fear of the C's

[lucid iron]

C# is just funny Microsoft flavored java

You are right to fear the reflection and IL crimes happening in modding C# though

[wraith bay]

fwiw pixel art is a bit left field from my normal brain space (but i'm comfy in photoshop at least.) i enjoy code but i don't get to spend much time doing anything other than python. i should learn C#.... but shouldn't everyone? that's a very fun fish hook though, and #3 is showing good contrast. i've been trying to get back into pixel art recently myself, found this really useful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfR7Qj04-UA

[soft lance]

ty! I'll check it later : )

[uncut viper]

those are the most fun times to be using C#

[soft lance]

I'd rather code in Fortran than C#

[wheat finch]

Playing a diff farming sim and thought my goat was wearing a sweater and now I want a mod for SDV that lets you put sweaters on your barn and coop animals...if i could art I would make it myself if one doesn't exist.

[clever turret]

Is the trigger for the random gifts in the mail able to be modified with content patcher? I've been digging through the unpacked files and haven't been able to find anything that seems to set the flag for their being sent
I'm looking to disable some of the random gifts after a certain trigger is flipped

[gaunt orbit]

You're not entirely wrong, but it's also a lot less painful to use than Java

[pine elbow]

coding is hard yet i still feel insecure about myself inspite of progres

[gaunt orbit]

If nothing else the build tools are better

[lucid iron]

yes it's a good flavoring for the most part

[red egret]

Create custom TV furniture.
I want that too. Can only MMAP do that?

[gaunt orbit]

Furniture Framework can too I think

[wheat finch]

Hi Wren! Long time. How's it going?

[gaunt orbit]

Hey! Yeah wow it's been a while
Things are a mess but I'm staying optimistic

[wheat finch]

Virtual hugs. I'm sorry. Sounds stressful.

[pine elbow]

think i can get good

[brittle pasture]

(posting here cuz only relevant for mod makers) To coincide with the release of Fast Farm Fabrications, Carpentry Catalogue is now also the Blacksmith Bulletin, adding the ability to specify custom blacksmiths that upgrade/deliver your tools/weapons/kegs/etc. after a few days! pls dont ask why it's not a separate mod
https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/32864

[verbal narwhal]

if

  "msg.2": "The frog seems happy today.",
  "msg.3": "*croaks*",

 private string PickRandomMessage(GameLocation loc)
 {
     var pool = TwoFrogsToday() ? TwoFrogsMessageKeys : OneFrogMessageKeys;
     string key = pool[Game1.random.Next(pool.Length)];
     return this.Helper.Translation.Get(key);
 }


 private static readonly string[] OneFrogMessageKeys =
 {
     "msg.1","msg.2","msg.3","msg.4","msg.5","msg.6","msg.7","msg.8","msg.9","msg.10","msg.11","msg.12","msg.13"
 };

 private static readonly string[] TwoFrogsMessageKeys =
 {
     "msg_2f_1","msg_2f_2"
 };```

what did I do wrong for i18n?

[pine elbow]

??

[verbal narwhal]

ah and the first 3 lines are in my default.json

and the other two blocks from modentry.cs

[brittle pasture]

do you have msg.11 in your i18n?

[verbal narwhal]

yes

[brittle pasture]

can you post your full i18n just in case

and make sure the file's deployed to the right place

[brittle pasture]

your JSON file is missing a comma at the end of the log.noReward line

[verbal narwhal]

ohhh!

thank you!

I have added the json validators for visual studio 2022 but somehow I cannot find them in the menu

[pine elbow]

were all of you bad at the start

[hard fern]

🤔 i'd say it depends on how much prior modding experience/knowledge of whatever it is you're doing. like, i definitely have never done pixel art of written json before i started modding. i'd like to say i've improved over the years though

[calm nebula]

Bold to presume I am not, actually, currently bad

[wraith bay]

i'm bad to the bone, actually

[karmic gust]

Yes, it took me a loooong time to feel like I had a grasp on what I was doing, but practice and trying over and over again really help!

[hard fern]

i think it definitely helps that i tend to pick up new things pretty fast, but there have been times i felt like i was going nuts wondering why my mod won't work 😭

[wraith bay]

no matter where you are in your journey, everybody benefits from community.

[pine elbow]

yeah even with adhd and autism i think i can do this i just thank this community for dealing with me

[lucid iron]

selph id like to interview you about owning 2 mods with 3 different names now

[soft lance]

This cute frogs reminds me when one time playing DND (board game), I asked for a magical flying telepathic demon and angel speaking telepathic gold fish

🤣 😭

[pine elbow]

thanks

[soft lance]

i was very little so

[hard fern]

😭 what

[soft lance]

listen i was silly back then

[hard fern]

i couldn't come up with a good enough name for my character in dnd so i just named her Rock

[arctic jungle]

I hope this is the right place to ask 🤪

I am making a custom farm, and I am struggling to get the beginning cutscene to work properly. All that happens is Robin walking onto the screen then my character appears at the edge of the screen but just sits there in the walking animation. I have updated the bus stop entry location a few different times and nothing changes, I have made sure that it isn't behind the warp location. If anyone has a clue on how to fix this, that would be great!

[hard fern]

too mod brained i said npc instead

[soft lance]

That is a very unique name

[verbal narwhal]

oh golly, I am trying to come up with messages that could be displayed for 1 frog and 2 frogs but I can only think of vines q.q

[brave fable]

imo it's worth thinking about learning programming as you would learning a language. there's a whole world of it already out there, you're expected to start from nothing but maybe intuition and relation, and as much as you study how to be better at it, the only way to become better is to speak it with someone who understands it -- in this case, your computer

[calm nebula]

It should be relative to the farmhouse location

Can you post a gif

[verbal narwhal]

2 frogs... chilling in a frog tank... 5 ft apart!

[arctic jungle]

Will do

[verbal narwhal]

I mean, I am playing a Harengon in my current DnD campaign with a cute but haunted pet fox creature that is as small/big as my character myself - and I am an adult woman that does taxes, so no need to explain yourself!

[brave fable]

thanks for the quick turnover! i'll inform the narrow overlap of Raised Garden Beds users and Machine Terrain Framework (and Aquatic Crops - formerly Custom Tapper Framework) users

[gaunt orbit]

raises hand

[soft lance]

Yes tlitookilakin, you may now speak in class

[gaunt orbit]

Bites you bites you bites you

[soft lance]

That's cute! And no that's totally fine for your age, there is no age limit. There was a 32 year old who had a cursed and corrupted goblin that ate a legion of soldiers in a past life in her backpack who also sadly passed away due to a god striking the goblin down

[soft lance]

Detention.

[gaunt orbit]

Yeah part of the fun of ttrpgs is just like. Doing things to be silly. Last session of my current game, my pc shared hallucinogens with the other party members and it led to some great shenanigans

[devout otter]

You keep scope-creeping my mod. I need you to stop. /j

[verbal narwhal]

02:27:14 TRACE FrogTankFrogEgg TwoFrogsToday=False

 {
     try
     {
         if (Game1.netWorldState?.Value?.hasWorldStateID("sebastianFrog2") == true)
             return true;
     }
     catch { /* ignore */ }

     foreach (var f in Game1.getAllFarmers())
         if (f?.activeDialogueEvents != null && f.activeDialogueEvents.ContainsKey("sebastianFrog2"))
             return true;

     return false;
 }


 private Texture2D GetFrogPortraitFor(GameLocation loc)
         {
             return TwoFrogsToday()
                 ? (_frog2Portrait ??= Helper.ModContent.Load<Texture2D>("assets/portraits/frog2.png"))
                 : (_frog1Portrait ??= Helper.ModContent.Load<Texture2D>("assets/portraits/frog1.png"));
         }
    

 private void ShowFrogDialogue(GameLocation loc, string text)
 {
     Texture2D portrait = null;
     try { portrait = GetFrogPortraitFor(loc); } catch { }

     var dummy = new NPC(new AnimatedSprite("Characters\\Robin", 0, 16, 32), Vector2.Zero, 2, (string)this.Config.Frogname);

     if (portrait != null)
     {
         dummy.Portrait = portrait;

         if (NpcPortraitField != null) NpcPortraitField.SetValue(dummy, portrait);
     }

     var dia = new Dialogue(dummy, "FrogTankFrogEgg:custom", text)
     {
         showPortrait = (portrait != null)
     };

     if (portrait != null)
         dia.overridePortrait = portrait;

     this.Monitor.Log(
     $"[FrogDialogue] showPortrait={dia.showPortrait}, speakerPortraitNull={dummy.Portrait == null}, gameOptionShowPortraits={Game1.options.showPortraits}",
     LogLevel.Trace
     );
     this.Monitor.Log($"TwoFrogsToday={TwoFrogsToday()}", LogLevel.Trace);

     Game1.currentSpeaker = dummy;
     Game1.activeClickableMenu = new DialogueBox(dia);
     Game1.dialogueUp = true;```

stupid sebastianFrog2 doesn't seem to work as two frog detection mechanism q.q

[calm nebula]

Hmmm. And all those tiles are walkable?

[arctic jungle]

Yup and I do have the FarmHouseEntry property set a couple tiles to the left of the warp trigger so the charater doesn't endlessly warp back and forth as well

[calm nebula]

Wait what did you set FarmHouseEntry to?

[arctic jungle]

it's currently set to 104 15

[calm nebula]

On your map, what tile is that

[arctic jungle]

it's going to be this square:

[calm nebula]

Hmmm

And all those tiles are normally walkable

[verbal narwhal]

can't I detect with c# if any frams of a certain location range/rectangle from a certain spritesheet are being loaded inside a farmhouse/cabin and make that a condition?

[arctic jungle]

Yup they are all on the back layer so I don't have any issues walking on them as long as I don't hit the warp tiles at the edge

[calm nebula]

What are those tiledata

NpcBarrier?

[arctic jungle]

Correct, npc barriers and nospawns

[calm nebula]

Huh. No idea then, sorry!

[arctic jungle]

It's all good and thanks for trying!

[clever turret]

Is anyone able to help with this?

[tiny zealot]

i don't think you can do exactly that, but i'm almost certain you can accomplish the same thing, or near enough the same thing that no one will notice

this is for the mail key that's just their name, right?

if so, those have some sort of hardcoded chance corresponding to your friendship level with that NPC of being sent on a given day, and they can be re-sent whenever afaik

anyway you can either 1. conditionally edit that mail with Content Patcher, so you'd pick your requirements based on what CP has available with its tokens, or 2. delete that mail and set up a replacement with trigger actions, which would give you total control

if this is for a new NPC i would just do the second one and not use the plain name key

[brittle pasture]

I’m this close to renaming Machine Terrain Framework again (will depend on how many people end up using the new crop feature)

[lucid iron]

selphcore

[brittle pasture]

(in my defense the reason I didn’t spin that one out is because I can’t take the aquatic crop feature with it, given that n mods (with n > 0) using it)

[drowsy pewter]

Did i hear new crop feature

[brittle pasture]

https://github.com/zombifier/My_Stardew_Mods/tree/master/CustomTapperFramework#crop-behavior-expansion fairly barebones but enjoy

I wanted to eat both SpaceCore and Hybrid Crop Engine

[drowsy pewter]

hmmm intriguing

I would be down to swap multiple drops to this framework

if discussions at Cornucopia HQ go as intended, still hoping to do another mod that has wild/aquatic crops with weirder mechanics than the main one

[hard fern]

i like to imagine it's a giant round table like those fancy businesspeople have in their business meetings

[drowsy pewter]

yes its a giant round table with me sitting there waiting for everyone to get back from their lunch break lol

[drowsy pewter]

anyways check that out

[tame burrow]

Mod teams are fun. Ours is usually 3 people ping ponging ideas back and forth and 1 person taking notes. Cuz we'll forget in 20 minutes what we had just talked about without a scribe

[brittle pasture]

is that flavored cooking I spy

[drowsy pewter]

Yeah i tried doing it two days ago but the reason it didnt work was because i was using category_fruit instead of category_fruits

classic 6480

(anyways, sprite is awful, ignore that)

[hard fern]

nice error items

[drowsy pewter]

thanks i worked hard on those

[tame burrow]

Did that last night 😭 🤝

[drowsy pewter]

This is genuinely why I do every conversation over text and even talk to myself in the development channels

[tame burrow]

Same. If it's not written down it will Disappear Forever

[sleek flint]

Does anyone know how to make the game reload an image asset? I am fine with either CP or C#.

[tiny zealot]

patch invalidate the/asset/path will cache-bust it so the next time somebody needs it it will be reloaded

[sleek flint]

Thank you

[drowsy pewter]

we have a secret little patch to a few vanilla color context tags so that like, tuna makes red sushi instead of blue

...nobody will notice that, right? That probably doesnt need a config toggle does it?

The way salmon is color_salmon but tuna is color_blue....

[hard fern]

isn't tuna... Yknow...

Red on the inside

[brave fable]

already going hard on the context tags huh

[drowsy pewter]

oh i've had context tag cooking coded for like 8 months now

Just... not tested, exactly

blueberry, i have a beta for the lite version of cornucopia cooking, if you ever want to try it out

[brave fable]

sure, it'll be good to test it all works alright

[drowsy pewter]

Dope, I'll send it over in a bit

[brittle pasture]

since you're here can LOC consider exposing a cooking API so I can abuse it for flavored cooking support

[brave fable]

uhhh it has a very limited api from 2021 that you shouldnt look at

not actually sure how i'd structure a modern one

[drowsy pewter]

the idea of loc, context tag cooking, and flavored cooking working together makes me feel like I'm collecting the infinity stones

[brave fable]

i think if you want an api for cooking you're gonna have to PR it yourself

[uncut viper]

you could also make a 4th cooking mod opf your own

[drowsy pewter]

Yes that sounds good

[brave fable]

i wouldn't know what exactly you need without an incredible requirements sheet

[brittle pasture]

I'll think about it

while at work instead of working

[brave fable]

or like, a draft of method signatures and expected return values

entry points, etc

[uncut viper]

i would like one that returns nutritional label information for FDA compliance

[brittle pasture]

(basically something like BC's post cook event handlers where I can get the list of ingredients + the output item that I can swap out using properties)

(but yeah I'll take a look at LOC's source some time)

[brave fable]

bean hotpot is already compliant ✅

[brittle pasture]

(unfortunately that'd still miss out on the context tag cooking part, and I'm not sure I'm qualified enough to change that part for LOC)

(wait did LOC support that now)

[brave fable]

fortunately i know someone who is

[brittle pasture]

hmm, someone like... redcherry?

[brave fable]

🥪

i did in fact briefly go by red cherry

[drowsy pewter]

I can't dm you blueberry you may have to initiate the convo lol

[brave fable]

i think if we're Discord Friends it'll go through

surprisingly the context tag cooking changes weren't that dramatic, just took a little braining

move all the ingredient matcher methods out of the cooking manager, replace all recipelist references with a generic method that forms an item-quantity list from whatever recipe input, override for spacecore recipes to handle its type-value-matcher-quantity implementation, do the same for the actual compare-match behaviour, and then just move all that to its own class for easy custom ingredient matchers

[uncut viper]

oh is that all

[brave fable]

does need a little PR to spacecore to expose the match method though so it's blocked for now

well compared to rewriting the entire ingredient matcher it's very simple

i suppose i could just reflect the match method but that's not very future-forward

and i need to fix the description -> dispayname problem anyway

[drowsy pewter]

and then salmon isnt even really the color of color_salmon, it's more color_orange......

[vapid oak]

@wraith bay @mellow laurel Hi, very sorry for the delay! It's much easier for us to see role requests if they're DM'ed into Bouncer rather than pinging Could you add yourselves to the list of modders on https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Community please and ping me when you have?

[wraith bay]

Oh sure @vapid oak I was just following the guide in the roles channel.

[mellow laurel]

sure thing, all added on the wiki page. oh hey jenna

[wraith bay]

Updated!

[vapid oak]

@mellow laurel @wraith bay Perf, thank you both! You should be all set with your new cheeto dusting

congrats

[wraith bay]

Yay, thank you so very much for your time. Appreciate it!

[mellow laurel]

thanks so much!

[verbal narwhal]

omg

I got my one-or-two-frog-detection system spagetti code to work!!!!!!!!!!!

[drowsy pewter]

adorqble

[verbal narwhal]

now I can finally sleep lol
I was laying in bed and couldnt stop thinking about stupid frames and just had to finish this

[stark spindle]

well deserved

[gray bear]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-just-the-two-of-us-gif-23745757

[verbal narwhal]

just one quick question before i shut my pc down

can i get a new dialoguebox/page (click to advance) with this directly in i18n default.json?

with which of these 3 options? im confused
```/// <summary>A dialogue code which splits the subsequent text into a separate dialogue box shown after the player clicks.</summary>
public const string dialogueBreak = "$b";

    /// <summary>Equivalent to <see cref="F:StardewValley.Dialogue.dialogueBreak" />, but wrapped with command delimiters so it can be added directly to dialogue text.</summary>
    public const string dialogueBreakDelimited = "#$b#";

    public const string multipleDialogueDelineator = "||";```

[gentle rose]

the second one - put #$b# where you want the break

[inland rain]

how would I go about finding a voice actor for a four word voice over for a mod?

[gentle rose]

are you looking to commission one or for someone to do it for free?

[inland rain]

commission

[hard fern]

🤔 i dont think ive ever seen anyone doing voice over comms

[gentle rose]

I'll forward this to someone I know who does them just in case they're available

[inland rain]

thanks! must be female btw

or a female voice anyway

[gentle rose]

forwarded! if they're interested, should they just dm you?

[inland rain]

yes please!

[gentle rose]

perfect, I'll let them know

[tame burrow]

rubber duck mod has gotten slightly out of hand (you can now infuse pretty much any item with a rubber duck, and grow multi colored rubber ducks)

[obtuse wigeon]

Voice actors tend to not be specific to a game or peice of media, theres also fiverr as an option or cameo but they may be more expensive than you're expecting

[stark spindle]

I love this!

[dusky sail]

fun game where i try to figure out why i put "add machine rules" to my to-do list.... what machine rules was past me planning on adding

[drowsy pewter]

me when i wrote "do quest" 8 months ago and didnt write down any ideas about the quest

[dusky sail]

well did you do the quest

[gray bear]

"add gift tastes" ???

[calm nebula]

It clearly refers to a quest in

....wild guess

[drowsy pewter]

i made up something and coded it in one hour; if past me didnt tell me what to do then it's his fault if i didnt do the right thing

[calm nebula]

Hollow knight?

[dusky sail]

well i dunno what machine rules past me wanted to add in but it did remind me to make sure my mushrooms can actually go in the dehydrator

thats just adding a context tag but. i was still reminded!

[hard fern]

I leave cryptic notes for myself with no information and then i stare at them like "wtf is this"

[dusky sail]

like for the most part these are understandable. even gift tastes is like. ok i gotta decide who likes what then code that out

then just. machines.json

what do u want from me

[hard fern]

Lmaoo

The elusive machines.json

[calm nebula]

Do you have special fish pond items

[dusky sail]

like items the fish pond produces? yeah

i just didnt feel like deciding what my fish would want at that time so i put it off til later

[vital lotus]

      "Name": "DisplayFrame",
      "Value": "{{Random:{{{{LocationName}}Option}}}}",
    },```
Is there a way to use CP token to refer to a config token?
Like when LocationName is Desert, it'll call a config token, which has some values
"DesertOption": "Desert1, Desert2, Desert3"
And DisplayFrame token value will be one of those 3

in that form it gives parsing error...

[calm nebula]

No

[hallow prism]

"make the mod", yeah ok thanks past me!! /lh

[dusky sail]

i dont think you can nest tokens inside each other.... im trying to think if you could reword it to be like {{a}}{{b}} instead of {{a{{b}}}}

[hallow prism]

some of this stuff can be done with dynamic token, depending of the need

[dusky sail]

im thinking it was just a case of past me going "well i dont know if ill want to add any machine rules so ill add this just in case!" but im still scrolling through the list of big craftables in case something springs to mind

[hard fern]

Hmm dybamic token... Can you stick a when conditioner onto a dynamic token

[hallow prism]

yes

[hard fern]

Oh cool

[hallow prism]

        {
            "Name": "GiftAnswerAster",
            "Value": "Distant",
        },
        {
            "Name": "GiftAnswerAster",
            "Value": "Friend",
            "When": {
                "Hearts:AsterPellegrinVMV": "{{Range: 5, 14}}",
            }
        },```

[calm nebula]

"Be a productive member of society and also happy" thanks

[hallow prism]

        {
            "Name": "HamletProgress",
            "Value": "0",
        },
        {
            "Name": "HamletProgress",
            "Value": "{{query: {{HamletProgress}} + 1}}",
            "When": {
                "HasFlag: anyPlayer": "Lumisteria.MtVapius_QuestMoonPodsFlag",
            }
        },
        {
            "Name": "HamletProgress",
            "Value": "{{query: {{HamletProgress}} + 1}}",
            "When": {
                "HasFlag: anyPlayer": "Lumisteria.MtVapius_QuestNightMiscanthusFlag",
            }
        },```

[drowsy pewter]

I'm trying to understand what a config has to do with this though

if you're calling from a list of options, what exactly is the player configuring

[calm nebula]

But more realistically, I had a lot of //refactor

[hard fern]

Ooh wait this is useful maybe? I wanted an npc to change their response to gifts based on heart level but i wasn't sure how to go about it

[hallow prism]

i use that in translation keys

{{i18n: AsterGiftLoved{{GiftAnswerAster}}}}

[drowsy pewter]

I would suggest having in the code your patch image being something like {{LocationName}}_{{FrameOption}} and {{FrameOption}} being {{Random: 1, 2, 3}}, however the random may or may not update when switching locations, not sure

[hallow prism]

to avoid the classic vanilla case of "how do you know i like that???" from your 10 year spouse

[vital lotus]

yep alr using dynamic token, just seeing if there's way to get less conditions

[hallow prism]

note that for gift tastes, you may want to test if $query is working

which may be better overall but when i was young we didn't have $query

[drowsy pewter]

or not even use a dynamic token but just do {{LocationName}}_{{Random: 1, 2, 3}} tbh

[hallow prism]

kids those days are spoiled

[calm nebula]

You can also use local tokens for smth similar now

[vital lotus]

player can change frame they'd like to show on certain condition (season, map) by typing the filename on config. Tho I now doubt if anyone actually make use of the config and thinking of just changing the structure of the mod

[drowsy pewter]

So if they dont set it in the config, it uses a random frame?

[vital lotus]

I have default set

[drowsy pewter]

What is the random doing?

[vital lotus]

to pick one of the frame to show if there's more than 1 specified

[drowsy pewter]

Or what is it intended to do?

So the config is a multiple choice?

Maybe just show me your whole file

[vital lotus]

nah just type in

https://github.com/itsbenter/PortraitFrameVariations/blob/main/[CP] PortraitFrameVariations/content.json

I think I overdid the config that time

There's comment it lags down when entering interior map and I'm thinking of way to cut things down

[drowsy pewter]

I have an idea, but just want to make sure. What do you want to happen if LocationName is invalid? Like for example you're on a map that has no displayframe options, if you try and search for a config with the LocationName then it's going to give you an error

(not that you can search configs like that, but i just want to clarify)

[pallid shadow]

people here are way too smart

they need to be nerfed

fr fr you guys need to be less smart

[finite ginkgo]

- EnderTedi is playing Aseprite
- EnderTedi is playing Stardew Valley

[calm nebula]

Tbh if that lags going into indoor locations I will bet they have a recolor

That patches LooseSprites/Cursors in tiny bites

Ask them to try #1359454014319755294 message

[cyan venture]

Hi guys, is there a way for me to check if a particular interior is using assets from a certain content patch?

[calm nebula]

Not really no

Why?

[hallow prism]

well by looking at the files you may kinda know

but it requires knowledge of the mods adding assets

[cyan venture]

oh never mind i found a way, patch export is also a way

[vital lotus]

There'll be other dynamic token that should catch such case. I have when condition to list the valid location name should do(?)

[vital lotus]

Worth a try. I've tried profiler in the past on my end, and the impact is p minimal. But they said they tried removing the mod and the lag gone 😅

[calm nebula]

Yes

Because they are the slow patch and you are the patch that makes it happen all the time

[vital lotus]

What happens all the time?

Wait... So even if I only patch that part of cursor their patch would also got checked everytime this got called?

[hallow igloo]

is this anything or do I send Pathos a message that there's a bug in the schema file?

[calm nebula]

Their patch would re apply every time yours changed yeah

[vital lotus]

So update onlocationchange and ontimechange would be very performance heavy on such assets...

Dang

[brave fable]

content patcher doesn't do partial patches. if one change invalidates the asset (e.g. via update rate), all changes targeting that asset need to be reevaluated and reapplied

[gentle rose]

known issue, there's already a PR pending for a fix.

[hallow igloo]

tyvm <3

[gentle rose]

in the meantime, you can use https://github.com/irocendar/SMAPI/blob/cp-schema-fix/src/SMAPI.Web/wwwroot/schemas/content-patcher.json as the schema instead of the normal one (edit: correct link)

[hallow igloo]

this throws the same problem

[vital lotus]

In that case there's little to gain by trying optimize even more of the patch...

Hmmm

[gentle rose]

let me make sure I got the right link, one sec

[gentle rose]

sorry it was meant to be this https://github.com/irocendar/SMAPI/blob/cp-schema-fix/src/SMAPI.Web/wwwroot/schemas/content-patcher.json

[inland rain]

I'm so excited, I've officially hired a voice actor

[gentle rose]

I know, they told me! I'm excited for you guys

[inland rain]

thanks for setting it up!

[hallow igloo]

this one doesn't work xD

[blissful panther]

Probably need the link to the raw version: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/irocendar/SMAPI/refs/heads/cp-schema-fix/src/SMAPI.Web/wwwroot/schemas/content-patcher.json

[gentle rose]

I'll have a look in a bit then it worked last time we tested it but that was last month. try these ones? (use the first one that works, if any)

https://github.com/irocendar/SMAPI/raw/refs/heads/cp-schema-fix/src/SMAPI.Web/wwwroot/schemas/content-patcher.json
https://github.com/irocendar/SMAPI/raw/139dd2660060d30386ba75cc5cf258670439fa0e/src/SMAPI.Web/wwwroot/schemas/content-patcher.json
https://github.com/irocendar/SMAPI/raw/02ac41a970d9113bf3d266db1c00678f836d3dbd/src/SMAPI.Web/wwwroot/schemas/content-patcher.json

[gentle rose]

...my bad

[drowsy pewter]

I'm so interested in a mod that uses voice acting, but only for four words

[brave fable]

"Alexa, please play Despacito."

[hallow igloo]

ah, yes this was it

"If only I spoke"

"don't look behind you"

[drowsy pewter]

DH, i havent tried the meep beta version yet. I've been distracted by the 157 other features in my mod that need attention

[calm nebula]

How is your quest

[inland rain]

lol I think if someone knows my modding history it's not too hard to figure out https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/6586

technically only two words, but one of them has to be said three times

[drowsy pewter]

oh my god

[brave fable]

there's a lot of mods out there

but this is maybe the most one yet

[blissful panther]

Don't worry about it! It's going to be out today or early tomorrow regardless.

Only thing really left is documentation!

[lucid iron]

Do you need a voice actor because sesame street copyright lawyers

[inland rain]

I need a voice actor because ernie sounds too male

need a female option

[lucid iron]

Equality

[inland rain]

I made an ai version, but why use ai?

here's the ai version

sorry, it's a bit loud

[lucid iron]

Maybe u can hire someone from fiverr

[inland rain]

I did look at fiverr, but someone here set me up with a voice actor who plays stardew lol

[inland rain]

idk what that means but I have made Here Fishy mods for four different games so far

[lucid iron]

A franchise

[brave fable]

it's a compliment

[inland rain]

oo I can have it choose a sound file based on the farmer's gender

[karmic gust]

This is adorable lol. I love that you need to use a duck egg to make them and the too many rubber duckies item

[cold marsh]

Is this possible? Machine takes 10 items of specific context_tag, player has 5 of Item 1 and 5 of Item 2 with context_tag, interaction with machine takes both the 5 held items and the other 5 in inventory

[drowsy pewter]

it will not work

the game needs them all to be in one stack together afaik

same reason why you cannot use the same item with multiple qualities in a vanilla machine

[cold marsh]

Thought so, thanks for the confirmation

[lucid mulch]

OnLocationChange/OnTimeChange makes it eligible for being checked at those events which does add some overhead but the very expensive edits would only happen if your patches state changed (enabled<->disabled, or contents of patch changing)

[vital lotus]

It'll patch different thing on small region of cursor but would still trigger other patches on cursor still? At least that's what I get

[verbal narwhal]

does the vanilla game ever refer to you as the player as you besides when eating a starfruit? because writing out "you tap at the glass" as text that gets displayed when the player does something somehow feels off to me (no idea why)

[tiny zealot]

it does a few times, but i avoid doing it myself because i also dislike it

i think one of them is like alex's dresser or something. it says "you dig through alex's stuff" or similar

[brave fable]

i prefer the narrator-style, and i've only noticed the game using that, too

e.g. You've got some new ideas to sleep on...

[tiny zealot]

yeah, check Strings/StringsFromMaps for the map inspection ones

e.g. "JoshHouse.7": "You peek into Alex's drawer. There's clothes, hair gel, and a box of gridball trading cards.",

(i could go on a long tirade about this, but i think every one of these is stronger if the first part is simply omitted)

[drowsy pewter]

smh CA wasnt checking his styleguide

[brave fable]

imo it doesn't really work when written in the first-person since it feels more like a recount/account of what happened, rather than what's currently happening

[verbal narwhal]

yes I think I will just go with *tap* *tap*

[drowsy pewter]

i like that

[vital lotus]

Cuter that way

[drowsy pewter]

its the little things in life that bring me joy, like tortilla being solidly off-center

[dusky sail]

why would you point this out. now i can never unsee it

brb making a mod that centers the tortilla and does nothing else

[brave fable]

add high priority and you can market it as Tortilla Recolour Remover

[tiny zealot]

if you do this, be prepared for 6480, author of the popular and important mod Break the Bass, to make one that re-un-centers it

[hallow igloo]

not even because of uneven amounts of pixels reasons

[brave fable]

my hangup in the food sprites is crab cakes. why are they blue. from where

[tender bloom]

Idk I see 2px on the left

I think it could be fixed

They say there’s “blue crabs”

[brave fable]

they look like cookies with sprinkles

[tender bloom]

(I am allergic to crabs so I am not an expert)

[dusky sail]

its blue sprinkles

for flavor

[tender bloom]

Maybe it’s blueberries

Do blueberries go with crab?

[tiny zealot]

the classic crab seasoning, Old Blue

[verbal narwhal]

im looking at the event modding resource spreadsheet but honestly I cant find (based on the descriptions alone) a good sound for the player tapping at glass
does any of you more experienced players/modders know if "crystal" or "clank" would work for that?

[drowsy pewter]

seems like the color hex is green and he didnt have a grasp of color theory at that point yet

I can only strive to be as free

[brave fable]

may i suggest bob x2

[gray bear]

if i can find the crab cakes on spring objects

[verbal narwhal]

thanks a lot!

[tiny zealot]

install this https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/34968 for figuring out sounds, maybe

[verbal narwhal]

ohh thank you both so much!

[tiny zealot]

props to button for making it after i threatened to make it several times but never did

[gray bear]

yeah it's green

color theory goes brr

[brave fable]

i know cooking isnt the focus of the game but looking at crab cakes does make me just a little more sad

[gray bear]

their stack is a bit, confusing

[drowsy pewter]

On the contrary i love it

[tender bloom]

Looks as edible as ever to me

[verbal narwhal]

color theory fries my brain and aseprite isnt very friendly for hue shifting :(

[drowsy pewter]

Mizu draws pretty food sprites and I fungle them up to match

[tender bloom]

Sometimes I contemplate whether i should eat crab cakes in the game

[gray bear]

yes

[tender bloom]

I don’t eat hazelnuts in the game

[tiny zealot]

i have not really beheld crab cakes in a long time but i never saw them served in a stack like this

[tender bloom]

Because they’d kill me irl

[gray bear]

stack would be mroe like this? thonk

[blissful panther]

I think the biggest reason they're stacked is that they're a plural, and you can't really draw a crab cake in 8 horizontal pixels.

[brave fable]

farming fields of wheat would kill me irl and yet here we are on the farm

indulge in escapism

[verbal narwhal]

I have never seen or heard of crab cakes irl and honestly I like to imagine it as a sweet cake with crab flavoring, like chocolate cake but with crabs

[tender bloom]

I don’t actually want to eat hazelnuts tho

[gray bear]

but like that just looks like cake

i made fruit cake

[tiny zealot]

i don't eat fish irl but you better believe my farmers horf them down like there's no tomorrow when they need energy on a fishing trip

[brave fable]

i'm guessing crabcakes are just fishcakes with crab and fishcakes are just the best thing to come from mankind in the last few hundred thousand years

[drowsy pewter]

crab cakes are op cus the speed

[tender bloom]

Part of it might be that my play style mostly doesn’t involve eating, like when I fish I just go home when out of energy or I eat a bit of seaweed

[tiny zealot]

crab cakes buff lasts (near as makes no difference) all day. v good

[tender bloom]

The fish is precious precious income

[gray bear]

noms the fish

[tiny zealot]

if i still have time i horf the fish. every fish you eat gives enough energy for at least 3 rod casts

[gray bear]

crab cake irl, i see what mister ape was going for

[tiny zealot]

obviously i eat the cheap ones first

[brave fable]

gambling. and the fish pay for it

[gray bear]

i have never ate crab cakes

[soft lance]

Sus

[dusky sail]

i was doing so well speedrunning tortilla-centering mod then i was met with my greatest enemy... counting (to figure out the to-area of the image edit)

[gray bear]

programs have pixel locations

atleast mine does

[dusky sail]

youve told me this after i already counted

[soft lance]

Do u talk to fish like they're a dog and they just drop into your inventory?

[gray bear]

tortilla coord if u miscounted

[dusky sail]

thank u. i counted right. absolute win

[gray bear]

damn, ur better than i am lmao

[tender bloom]

I also check divisibility by 16 usually

Since it better be the right divisibility at least

[dusky sail]

i counted the number of sprite columns/rows then subtracted 1 and multiplied by 16

[gray bear]

classic math person /hj /lh

ah u counted tiles

smart

[dusky sail]

ok i fixed the tortilla. now do i upload this tiny mod or do only i get recentered tortilla abilities

[drowsy pewter]

I have a mod that changes a single pixel in the game

And whats more, people downloaded it,

[dusky sail]

ur so right

should i mention you as the person who made me realize the tortilla was off center or would you rather your contributions remain anonymous

[drowsy pewter]

Lmaoooo

I can point out more weird stuff if you like

[dusky sail]

trying to scope creep me?? on the tortilla recentering mod??

[gray bear]

🎙️

no one is safe from scope creep

[dusky sail]

i will gladly accept scope creep. but not here.... not today...

[drowsy pewter]

would you add compat for my pita bread ?

[dusky sail]

.......maybe

[drowsy pewter]

I'm just kdding, i moved it jsut to take that screenshot

altho maybe ill keep it

its cute

[gray bear]

off center flat bread

[verbal narwhal]

are tjere command delimiters so i can make a sound play (and add that directly to a dialogue text)?

[soft lance]

Pita bread yummy

[vital lotus]

Base game, no. But u can add a triggeraction for that in ur c# component. BETAS and spacecore has such trigger action

[soft lance]

Used to call it Petah bread

[dusky sail]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/37258 finally. recentered tortillas

[drowsy pewter]

Yeah this is hilarious

[drowsy pewter]

i had one joy in life and you. you took it

[dusky sail]

Obviously the only solution is ichor's suggestion of a mod that re-uncenters it

[inland rain]

no, you call them like "Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere, fishy fishy fishy!"

and they jump out of the water

[drowsy pewter]

I'll get right on that

[drowsy pewter]

unironically pathos has a policy of not allowing hostile mod-to-mod behavior; ie shutting down the game or other mods if two mods are installed in conjunction; I wonder if that would technically fall under it HAHA

banned from mod community for tortilla shenanigans

[dusky sail]

Instead. Rival mod that makes the tortilla even more off center

[drowsy pewter]

Your brain is massive

[dusky sail]

It just starts clipping into the sprite next to it

[blissful panther]

Oh no. Is this the new mayoverse?

[gray bear]

[blissful panther]

We are overdue a bit of a modding meme explosion.

[dusky sail]

I did also tell myself that after i posted my next mod id let myself get cheeto dusted.... but i didnt know this would be the next one. Either way its bedtime no cheetos now

[lucid iron]

Can i show case this i think it's a monumental mod

[dusky sail]

If you really think its worthy

[drowsy pewter]

it is

[hard fern]

I can't believe i scrolled up so far only to get fish homfing, tortillas off center, and the mystery of crab cakes

[brave fable]

eagerly awaiting 'tortilla moved 1px further right and slightly overlapping red plate'

[gray bear]

tortillaverse incoming

[hard fern]

What if we moved the tortilla vertically instead

[lucid iron]

Blueberry since u are here, do u have water flow for 1.6 somewhere

[rigid musk]

what if expand tortilla

[gray bear]

https://tenor.com/view/push-it-somewhere-else-spongebob-patrick-star-patrick-push-it-gif-19729647

[lucid iron]

Even if it's just git commit for me to build

[gray bear]

move it so it replaces red plate

invisi-tilla

[brave fable]

is water flow not already compatible with sdv1.6

[blissful panther]

We could randomly shift any drawInMenu() call by a pixel in one of the cardinal directions based on the save seed?

[lucid iron]

Ah did it never break I'm sorry for assumptions

[brave fable]

yes that's right 😌 how dare you expect my mods to be broken by default

[lucid iron]

I wanted to patch draw water tile to decouple it from cursors

[brave fable]

not like there's a solid year of precedent

[lucid iron]

So that people aren't slamming it with location change edit image

[brave fable]

anyway hopefully you don't need to actually understand the water flow code

somehow it's maybe my most arcane scripture to date

[lucid iron]

Do u mind if i send in a PR to fetch the texture and source rect from [not yet decided source probably just map prop] once I do this

I don't plan on changing the actual dimensions of the water overlay

[brave fable]

if you can find a way, sure

so far though it's proudly my only working mod still at version 1.0.0

it just flows(tm)

[lucid iron]

well if u feel attached to this i can just transpiler ur prefix it's fine

[brave fable]

whichever works better

[lucid iron]

I'd just be targeting the final draw call so it'd be literally the same transpiler

[digital verge]

Can anyone give me some advice? I have been trying and failing to remove one of the entries for the train station. I believe the menu is added with Central Station. With the nature mod, and the aquarium mod, the insectarium shows up on the bus stop and central station. The aquarium also shows up in central station and the train station in the mountains. I removed the entry for the insectarium at the bus stop, but i cant figure out what to use to remove the entry at the mountain train station.

[latent mauve]

Are you trying to completely erase the access, or just make it so that the insectarium can only be reached by boarding a bus or train while at Central Station?

[digital verge]

I dont like the fact that theres a doubling up of access to the insectarium, I want everything centralized to central station. It seems silly to have it set up and then have all the mods using it accesible with either the bus or the normal train station you know? Maybe thats just me. Im putting together a mod pack for friends. I got the insectarium to hide properly. But no matter what I do to it the option to go to the aquarium at the regular train station doesnt work.

[latent mauve]

Are you using Conditional Stops? https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/CentralStation/docs/author-guide.md#conditional-stops

I believe you should be able to target the original stops and add the Condition shown in the example there to limit the option so it only appears when the player is in Central Station

[digital verge]

Interesting. Ill look into that option. I was jerry-rigging the question dialouge display. Which worked for the vanillla bus stop but wasnt working for the train station stop.

[drowsy pewter]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/37260

You're welcome

[finite ginkgo]

monumental things happening in the modding community right it seems

[brittle pasture]

we do what we must because we can

[brave fable]

oh my god

why in 2019 did i name this mod sailor moon hairstyles and clothing and kimono

why didn't i name it tailor moon...

[brittle pasture]

it’s not too late to correct it

[brave fable]

is 6 years too long....

[lucid iron]

How

[brave fable]

tailor moon (aka sailor styles - formerly sailor moon hairstyles clothing and kimono)

[drowsy pewter]

i dont know, i tried to get it to move and it just did that

[lucid iron]

Wizard.

[gray bear]

i t s escaping

didn't know scale up 2 let u do crimes

[hallow prism]

if you don't change the unique id, do whatever please you

i am sure a mod named tailor moon will be perfectly normal between whatever going on with tortillas

[obtuse wigeon]

Embrace chaos, change the unique ID

[gray bear]

do not

[lucid iron]

If u keep the original nexus title it'll still be searchable

But are u gonna upload new version just to change the name

[gray bear]

main issue with fun mod titles is searchability

[tiny zealot]

you absolute clowns. you buffoons. you fustilarians /lh

[calm nebula]

How

[latent flame]

-# ....why am i here

[drowsy pewter]

seriously i had nothing to do with it

[blissful panther]

Must... make... tortilla mod...

No, after the MEEP update documentation.

...maybe?

[drowsy pewter]

meeptilla

Fuck me I have another mod idea and it's two hours past my bedtime

[obtuse wigeon]

tortillas are the new mayo

[tender agate]

the tortilla must be off center in a different way every time you look at it

[drowsy pewter]

saving grace is, i cant make it unless meep is updated

DH let's collab

[calm nebula]

How did you get ot out of the box?

[drowsy pewter]

It has a mind of its own

[lucid iron]

I'm glad atra and i had identical reactions

Tortilla mod...

[true coyote]

6480 thinkin THEY GOT JOKES

bout to catch my fightin hands

👊🏻

[drowsy pewter]

I dare you to try

[zenith sapphire]

Guys I'm testing my mod but it's just me or it seems the chance of fishing are a bit weird? tried to catch 10 fishes , 10 of them where the same exactly fish even if the percentage are almost equal for others

It's like 99% of the highlighted fish and 1% the others

[tender bloom]

What’s your locations data?

[true coyote]

u lucky 4 now, I got lux's sprite mod for my tortilla

[zenith sapphire]

Like this

Want me to show the entire json?

Oh i noticed now i miswrote the ID

[tender bloom]

I think the question is whether your full locations data (probably via patch export) looks weird in some way, though I did think that the mod that shows fishing chance just casts 100x to see what it gets?

[zenith sapphire]

I need to export my locations data and send here?

In some places it works without problems

In others seems the chances are very low and not matching like the one FishingInfoOverlay says

[lucid iron]

Fishing info overlay is monte carlo

It probes for what is possible by actually trying a fishing so if there's loads of other fish your rates will be impacted

[zenith sapphire]

So like , 8% means that in 100 catchs i will get 8 of them?

[lucid iron]

Yeah

Approximately anyways, it's not dervied by maff proof

Actual fishing chances is complicated probability stuff

[fair hull]

Hi guys. I feel really stupid, because i try to make a little, really simple mod to work, but, he doesn't want to.

I just want to make a mods that will change the apparence of the seeds in the game... (and later, it i can make it work, for mods too). But i only have like, 10 lines, and that DON'T work at all T^T

Can anybody can tell me what i do wrong? Because i try to check for other mods that do the exact same things, and i truly don't understand what are our difference.

I supose that the error are inside the "changes" codes, but... I don't understand at all.

(The codes and the error are in the images above)

[hallow prism]

!json

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[fair hull]

Thx i will check that

https://smapi.io/json/none/2ea47b077b2447878046395c27f9e8f6
I try to understand, but i can't. English isn't my main language, and i didn't do codding for like, a lot of years.

I have to much "," ?

[latent mauve]

In this case, it looks like it might be as simple as a comma missing before "Changes" after your "ConfigSchema" block, but the JSON validator will tell you which line the issue is on, or in the case of a missing comma, it will be the line before it

[verbal narwhal]

How do I know if my mod needs content patcher?
I’m correct when I think I don’t need it if I’m writing it in c# and some Jsons (manifest, content, i18n default) and not calling IContenrPatcher?
I’ve been looking through the wikis but in general I’m confused how/when to make a mod that uses both custom new c# as well as another framework or content packs. Or can anyone direct me to any mods I should look at to learn from?

[latent mauve]

This error is because you have too many } before Changes kicks in

[drowsy pewter]

no

[gentle rose]

you can't use both c# and a content pack framework in the same mod.

[drowsy pewter]

you need , right here

[latent mauve]

You closed out the entire JSON with your 3rd closing curly brace @fair hull

I am referring to the one in the validator if it helps

Screenshot and what you have in the validator are not exactly the same

[fair hull]

Ok, so i close it too soon

but if i didn't close it there, where should i close it? 🤔

[obtuse wigeon]

you can't have a C# mod and a CP mod in one, you can package them into the same zip however, but they're still classes as seperate mods due to having 2 manifest.json files

[latent mauve]

https://smapi.io/json/none/9ce221ebd66b4494a6582b5f1c8351d7

Basically, you have a { before "Format", which opens the JSON and you don't want to close that with an ending } until at the very bottom of your file

So you need to make sure the number of { and } matches up so that happens

[lucid iron]

You need to require content patcher if

• it's a content patcher pack
• you are using content patcher api

You do not need to require content patcher if you are just doing AssetRequested stuff on your own

[verbal narwhal]

Yes exactly that was what I was asking for - I saw that being used by eg Wild Animals using CC and CP
But most mods that do this have two frameworks dependencies instead of Mod A and (CP) Mod A

[lucid iron]

That's just because Custom Companions is not a content patcher expansion type framework

It needs it's own contentpackfor pack

[fair hull]

Ok, i think i understand? I will try again, and do some testing. Thank you verry much.

OJZ

[latent mauve]

For future reference, most basic code editor programs will keep track of your curly braces for you, so it's easier to tell if you've closed one too early.

[fair hull]

It's work! So i can start the codding for all the items... Thank you!

[verbal narwhal]

Thanks for your info!
If anyone has a good example for a mod (split in two), one being its one c#, the other with CP, I’d be happy to learn from that

[latent mauve]

If you just want an example of a mod to see the file structure, there's SVE that has C#, FTM, and CP components, but I would not suggest digging into SVE's code for an example for anything, there's a lot in there.

[lucid iron]

You can do this to automatically pack the cp https://github.com/Mushymato/StardewMods/blob/main/SprinklerAttachments/SprinklerAttachments.csproj#L29

But there's no correct way to actually setup the integration

Can u tell us more about what's being done in C# and what's in CP?

[verbal narwhal]

Ah nothing yet, but I’m curious on how or when I could do it

But I’m considering using BETAS so I can trigger actions from within my dialogue i18n json?

[flat sluice]

Here's how I do it, for example:
https://github.com/DenisSilent/Eleanor

[tiny zealot]

i also have an NPC with a bunch of bespoke nonsense in a C# component https://github.com/ichortower/HatMouseLacey
some of it is a bit creaky but it may be useful

[verbal narwhal]

Sorry for taking so long to reply, I didn’t see your answer

Thanks!!

[tiny zealot]

(in particular, there are a few things in there that i would probably do differently if i were writing the mod now, but it dates from 1.5.6)

[verbal narwhal]

Oh yeah I saw the impact of the changes when referencing cabins as farmhouse (and reading what was changed), I’m happy I’m starting out wirh 1.6

[soft lance]

😭 bruh

[golden basin]

@lucid iron how hard would it be to code into my mod one of my animals having the ability to dig up fully grown crops?

[lucid iron]

Idk if there's a mod that can spawn hoedirt + crop rn

[golden basin]

spawn?

[lucid iron]

Maybe u can ask selph about it, see if it fits in with The Mod Formerly Known as MTF

[golden basin]

nah i mean just going up to a crop and picking it

like the animal

[lucid iron]

Well you probably still want to ask selph cus this sounds like a EAC feature

Unless u wanna make like a trinket version of the farm animal in which case yeah you can make them collect crops

[golden basin]

I sort of wanted to implement it in just my mod but I could see if selph wants to do it for their frame work...

[lucid iron]

I don't think there's any content accessible way atm so u need someone's C# basically

[golden basin]

ahhh im a lil nervous @ing them though right now ive been having a rough day.

[lucid iron]

Whose C#? Who knows

Well I'll just do it then

However i think one problem is

Do you actually want farm animals collecting crops?

They kind of waste a slot if you think about it

[golden basin]

nah just digging them up so the farmer can pick them up automatically

[lucid iron]

Oh in that case it's just normal dig up right? Like truffles

Don't need any framework for that

[golden basin]

but i dont want it to be a list crop i put i want it to be crops the farmer is growing

like theyll aproach and dig that shit up if its fully grown so the farmer doesnt have to harvest them

[calm nebula]

Isn't that kinda like junimos

[golden basin]

yeah!

just they dont collec them in bags they leave em there on the ground

i mean i dont have have them do that but itd be really cute

[hallow igloo]

which is it?

[lucid iron]

I feel that selph's new things going into mtf is probably most fit for this

I'll ask selph next time i see em

[soft lance]

Does anyone know why aquariums skip an entire column? I numbered the ones I tested, and it appears that they skip a whole column each time

[autumn tide]

anyone know where I can find the data for the 'shadow guy' thing where you find a shadowperson in a bush and they give you a magnifying glass? I found the event for the part one but sadly can't find the rest :(

[calm nebula]

Hardcoded iirc

[autumn tide]

[latent mauve]

What did you need to change about the interaction?

I think some of the text might be in strings?

[autumn tide]

changing sprites, text, and shadow guy's name (conditionally)

[latent mauve]

Ah

Lemme look, I had to fuss with that event a bit since my mod replaces Krobus with Midna

[autumn tide]

ty!

tryna look for it in strings but can't find it sadly :(

[lucid iron]

I think the only way you can do it rn is onlocationchange edit image targeting krobus

Making assumptions that shadow guy and krobus never appears together

[autumn tide]

yeah, it's the same sprite

[lucid iron]

If you need anything else, it'd have to be done in C#

[autumn tide]

aw crap

okay

thanks though :))

[lucid iron]

Anything else meaning, somehow have krobus and shadow guy appear together, with different sprites

[autumn tide]

Yeah, in the first event at the bus the 'shadow guy' is just krobus so

[karmic gust]

I'm trying to make Sebastian's game event replayable every month but I'm running into a problem. I added a CT set to last a month in the original event, and then made a second repeatable event with the precondition that it doesn't have the original's CT, but the second event keeps playing immediately after. Am I using the preconditions incorrectly?

Here is the json:
https://smapi.io/json/none/7f82f5aacff943b8b41ed15dbfb04111

[devout otter]

The first event is actually simple to change with CP if you want to change it to not Krobus. You just give Krobus an Appearance data that only triggers during that event.

[latent mauve]

Yeah, the only change I made was to a text thing

Since I was fine with the shadow guy and Midna being the same person

[lucid iron]

I kinda want to see a mod that does make shadow guy and krobus same person

And explain what krobus is doing outside

[latent mauve]

The text does list the "Shadow Guy": as the name, though, so you can change that line, like I did.

[devout otter]

He is stealing magnifying glass, that's what he's doing outside, that thief.

[lucid iron]

What does he want it for

[latent mauve]

In Strings/Locations: "Town_mgThiefMessage": "Shadow Guy: Eeeeep! You caught me! I'm sorry! Take it! Take it! It looked so valuable, I couldn't help myself...",

[devout otter]

If the Shadow Guy and Krobus is the same person, than the hypothetical mod would also need to address the case if we actually meet Krobus in the sewer without ever getting the magnifying glass.

Like maybe the line will change.

[lucid iron]

Krobus sends you on a heist of the magnifying glass...

[autumn tide]

ty!!!

[lucid iron]

Yeah maybe if u met krobus he is like oh farmer look at this shiny thing i borrowed

:))))

[autumn tide]

I will change them to different characters lol, working on a side shadowfolk character that's a partial foil to Krobus and plays a major role in cementing Krobus's and Dwarf's friendship events that I'm also adding

[lucid iron]

Subork the cross bridger

[autumn tide]

YES

[wraith bay]

maybe krobus is collecting blackmail material on everyone in town incase they're ever captured. that's the real source of the secret notes

[autumn tide]

love it! I am having krobus be a bit of a gossip collator in the sewers lol, that way Kroby knows about all the goings-on and tells the farmer

[devout otter]

Finally I have the cause to share this here.

[autumn tide]

no fucking way-

THAT'S REAL

oh or did you just photoshop it lol?

[devout otter]

No, that's real.

[wraith bay]

i have a note on my to-do list to add seasonal facial hair for the bachelors, which they shave off for the spring... except for harvey who decides to "try something new" and has a random mustache. never considered including krobus

[autumn tide]

please include krobus

[devout otter]

Real as in, it's an actual, unedited screenshot from my mod.

[soft lance]

Does anyone know why or is it a glitch with the framework itself? It's nothing fancy i did either

[autumn tide]

omg i love that so much

[lucid iron]

Is subork an option in the release

I thought he was changed to shyguy

[devout otter]

Unfortunately Subork would just have to live in our memories. 😔

[autumn tide]

[devout otter]

(I was actually considering this, but like, he just appears once, you know...)

[lucid iron]

(make it happen 1 in 100 to Sow Confusion and Chaos)

[devout otter]

But your framework doesn't have a Condition fieeeeld.

[autumn tide]

...hypothetically can I steal your code for that to use as a base

[lucid iron]

When can do it i thought

It's as u said one time so

I can add gsq support but it shall become quote hell if I do that, maybe if I delim on ❓ for gsq?

[calm nebula]

Chue, please consider

《》

[devout otter]

Naw I'm joking. I can't really think of any case where I'd need a Condition field that couldn't be done by When.

Like the 🎣 function has taken care of that.

[devout otter]

Sure, you'd need framework for it, though.

[lucid comet]

eya, i've been playing around with modding maps recently and ran into a wierd issue where the traveling-by-bus-cutscene won't end properly, but only the vanilla routes:

• bus from busstation > desert and desert > busstation dont work
• bus via central station to desert, busstop, mtvapious and back to busstop work

the whole cutscene plays but at the end the normal ui does not load and i dont get player control back and i haven't seen anything unusual in the errorlog
does anyone have an idea what could be going on/where i would have to poke around to find whats not working?

[lucid iron]

Can you reproduce the problem with just central station

And verify that it's not bugged without CS

[lucid comet]

good question

let me find out

[lucid comet]

oookay. i removed almost anything (still have the not working map stuffs and the tilesheets needed for that)

issue is still there without centralstation

i was pretty sure, that i messed up on editing the maps somehow and am missing an (obvious) property/setting somewhere

[lucid comet]

narrowed it down to which map screws stuffs up \o/

tyvm for pointing me in the right direction (aka reminding me that i dont have to and maaaybe shouldn't test this on a highly modded save and can just make a testing one )

[full mural]

ay guys

can anyone send me a decent tutorial on how to add custom dialogue in content patcher?

[soft lance]

Does anyone know why aquariums skip an entire column? I numbered the ones I tested, and it appears that they skip a whole column each time.

I don't know why it goes from 19 lets say, and when you say "my sprite is 20", it'll skip the entire next column, so for instance...if I said that my fish's sprite is 20, it will go to the octopus, which I labeled as 20, and obviously...that isn't 20 at all, it's supposed to be this little shell guy, but that entire column gets skipped : (

Is this a bug with SMAPI/Content Patcher? Surely someone must know...so far it seems no one knows : (

[full mural]

I have been looking all over the internet and just can't find one

[round dock]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Dialogue

[full mural]

I'm making a mod that makes Pierre bald and I want to add new dialogue for him.

[odd ginkgo]

Hello all, long time no see (FIASA and Ranger Taro here), I'm coming in with a sort of shoutout and open request

[soft lance]

Sadly I have seen your mod, poor Pierre, he never deserved this

[full mural]

wait what

i just uploaded it today

is there another mod that does that?

[soft lance]

lol yes in the mod-showcase i saw it earlier today

[full mural]

wao

dang I'm unoriginal :'(

[soft lance]

oh no

[round dock]

!twocakes

[soft lance]

nevermind its not mod-showcase

[ocean sail]

If you discover that someone has made or is making a mod with a similar concept to yours, don't stress! Our community promotes the idea of "two cakes", where two versions of the same idea can peacefully co-exist. Your mod will have your own unique stamp on it that makes it special.

To use this command, type !twocakes.

[full mural]

yae :D

I took like an hour making all the custom sprites

[odd ginkgo]

my mods need some bug fixes and work, but my irl life has gotten busier and busier (I'm working two full time jobs, accidentally), so I wanted to put the word out that my mods are open... for changes, bug fixes, updates, support, anything

[soft lance]

no i think it is yours, i think i was browsing new mods today and saw that and laughed, i forgot where, but i saw it today

[full mural]

and now I want to add dialogue about how the IRS took his hair bcuz he comitted tax evasion.

[odd ginkgo]

no pressure on anyone, but if you feel like fixing something don't worry about permissions

[full mural]

Yay :DDDDDD

[lucid iron]

Hm even if you do that it'd be hard for people to keep track of what they fixed for you

[soft lance]

Make a github and monitor changes and patches

[full mural]

ok back to the original question, do you know where I can find a good tutorial on adding dialogue with content patcher?

[lucid iron]

Yeah i was gonna say you might consider setting up git to accept pull requests

Otherwise, just change your nexus permissions and then people can upload patches perhaps

[odd ginkgo]

Oh this is a really good idea

both ideas

[lucid iron]

I hope things get calmer for you irl eventually!

[soft lance]

honestly git is probably a better option, nexus can get messy, at least you have clean and visibly comparable version control

though whatever works is the best tbh

[odd ginkgo]

Thank you! it's a good busy, both of my jobs are "big kid career jobs" but I feel guilty everytime I log in to nexus

[round dock]

I’ve heard good things about FIASA (personally installed it but haven’t gotten the opportunity to actually play). I hope everything goes well for you!

[odd ginkgo]

I'll set up a github and spread the word

love this community and miss modding a lot, but you need like, at least one leftover braincell to do it haha

thanks all!

[soft lance]

im losing braincells when learning modding

everytime i think i finished it

i forget that there is another part or compatibility i have to do 😭

[odd ginkgo]

and then new mods come out that have compat issues with yours and you think "omg im so sorry"

[lucid iron]

Ok but u have the boat spot first lol

Seniority

[soft lance]

Hiii, for your mod "CSS' From Grandpa With Love - An Event Mod", i was gonna use, but I noticed that you didn't add any dependancies, like Content Patcher, in your manifest file, add it in there, I think the site will notify them that they need Content Patcher before installing yours, and not running to your page to figure out why it broke (I've done this plenty of times, even if you made a LED sign showing instructions)

[lucid iron]

Pelican real estate market do be like that and I wouldn't worry about it too much

[soft lance]

😭

what kind of mods did u make before? cant find ur profile

[lucid iron]

Cajcbell is the nexus name, made fiasa and ranger taro and a number of animal related mods iirc

[soft lance]

i got my two brain cells together and found it, should have figured that was the user 😭

very nice stuff

[odd ginkgo]

yes, and mostly last updated in May

thank you!

[pine elbow]

hey guys need a hug

[soft lance]

yes please

[round dock]

I’m sorry, I don’t follow. What did you mean it didn’t add dependencies? My manifest clearly states it’s a content pack for CP.

[pine elbow]

🫂

[soft lance]

Ah, that's bizzare, then you should update it on Nexus then. See, when you download your mod, it does not state that you need Content Patcher. While your instructions at the bottom of the page do, there is an actual section that Nexus always has when you click the download button. Seems more like how you configured it on Nexus then

When I click the download button, it does not state that I need to download anything before-hand, which is a minor bug

This is the menu it would show, it'd just show you SMAPI, and Content Patcher

you do not have that sadly

I'm sure it's a very easy fix, probably just a few things you gotta type on Nexus, just wanted to point that out since it is important

[brittle ledge]

It's not a bug, the game reserves two slots per fish, basically, a 24x48 square

The top is the aquarium sprite, the bottom is typically the item sprite (but I don't believe aquarium uses it)

[soft lance]

Interesting, it's strange cause I couldn't find anything about two slots, I've seen many mods that have more than two slots for fish, which makes it even more confusing

[round dock]

It is updated 🙂 Inform downloaders of this mod’s requirements before they attempt to download this file is also accordingly selected.

[soft lance]

Do you have any documentation for it?

[soft lance]

Odd, still not popping up on my end, maybe it takes Nexus a while : )

[brittle ledge]

Yes, you can expand horizontally if you have frames of animation (see squid for example), but they'll be 48 px tall per frame (but only use the top 24)

I believe I mention this on the fish tutorial, but I don't cite a specific source, it's just from having worked with fish stuff before.

[ornate locust]

source: fish experience

[pine elbow]

lucy your okay

[brittle ledge]

Source: committed fish crimes

(also Nexus doesn't read manifests, FYI, so putting a dependency there and having it in the manifest are two different things)

[round dock]

Considering Content Patcher is a staple for most mods to run and my mod only requires the same, I didn’t really think I’d run into this issue, if I’m gonna be frank but yeah, all of my mods have been configured to remind players of its requirements

[soft lance]

I see..I'm debating on just not allowing aquarium for my fish, since the two pages I checked out don't give too much details on it. But this does shed some light onto it, I appreciate it

[uncut viper]

i purposely dont include SMAPI as a requirement on my mods anymore because it just ends up a pointless nexus pop-up that slows down the download process a little bit more

[brittle ledge]

Is there something in particular you feel isn't covered? I'm always open to adding relevant info to my tutorials.

[soft lance]

I'm unsure what tutorials you have, I just know of two sites (two wiki's), but it's nice to know that you have tutorials. Honestly, I wish there was a youtube video that demonstrated with like 2-3 basic fish on how to add them properly to an aquarium, like you already have some basic sprites, even if they look horrid, and demonstrated properly on how to add them, and showed a few usage cases

There is not a single fish modding video in all of youtube, I searched for over 15 minutes..

Realistically, there probably is one, maybe around 1.3-1.5, but I'm sure lots have changed since

[brittle ledge]

Oh, yes, quite a bit. The modding wiki has a fish tutorial specifically, did you see it?

[soft lance]

Yeah, I did

[brittle ledge]

Yeah, so if you feel like I didn't explain something about the aquarium, let me know what

[gentle rose]

We don't recommend using videos for modding tutorials. Videos are difficult/sometimes impossible to update once posted, and modding changes a lot over time, so the popular video tutorials are almost always out of date. As a result, most people here don't bother making them, which mean that they're both out of date and made by people who sometimes don't have a thorough understanding of modding.

[pine elbow]

im taking a few days off due to burnout and not having a good schedule

[soft lance]

Can you provide the link to your page? I want to make sure that we are on the same page here

[soft lance]

Ah I see, crazy how it changes very often, I'm sure for the better though

[urban patrol]

i feel like !videotutorial should be a command at this point lol

[brittle ledge]

https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Adding_a_New_Fish

(I'm thinking about doing a stream for making an NPC, but I will be clear that 1. It's for 1.6 specifically and 2. Check the tutorial for the most recent info)

[soft lance]

Yeah, it sheds some light onto it technically, but it doesn't have an example on most of the possible scenarios, and while that's not expected, it would help a lot. For instance, even with this context, I still don't understand exactly how this works, there is no example that showcases how you can actually have a fish that has more than just 1 photo. For instance, you say " If you want to have a custom animation, list out your indexes here (starting with the index your first frame is on, eg. 0 1 2 2 2 1 0)", this isn't helpful for newer creators, I'm sure it helps out a lot with seasoned modders, but it means little to newer ones, what does 1 2 2 2 1 0 mean? How can I utilize this? While it may be technical to some, and maybe easier for you and others, it still is very foreign to me as a newbie

I'm sure you understand that it fries our brains, lol

[brittle ledge]

Hm, I can add in a bit with the squid as a vanilla example of a animation probably, I probably stole the frames from that

Remind me in 1 hour to do that

[patent lance]

YOU BETCHA (#6848906) (1h | <t:1756939265>)

[soft lance]

It would help so much...I'd say that modding fish is very clear, I used your site and it helped me fully understand it, I mostly used your resource. However, aquariums I think just need slightly more documentation/usage examples. I'm just tired and brain is fried. I also recommend to add that the fishies are usually 24x24 or whatever 24x28 too for aquariums, I don't know entirely how it works, I just was following closely to another mod, but am a noob

irocendar youve been typing a long time im scared

[gentle rose]

to be honest, since these resources are made by modders for modders, we're all figuring them out using the same reference information and it just isn't possible to have examples available for every single thing, because someone would have to actually write those. The way to go from being a new modder to an experienced one - and a general expectation of these tutorials and references - is to spend time reading through it, testing various versions of things, and asking questions here if necessary.

In the example you use, I'm not familiar with fish content packs, but it looks like it's exactly what it says on the tin - a list of frame indexes for the animation (so frame 0, frame 1, frame 2, frame 2, frame 2, frame 1, frame 0).

(hopefully that didn't come off harsh, I swear I'm just a very direct person)

[pine elbow]

taking 3 days off see you

[lucid iron]

When in doubt just look at decompile

Or hope you snipe someone around here to look for you lol

[soft lance]

To be fair, I got no clue on this planet what 0 1 2 2 2 1 0 means, I was mainly wondering why it would skip an entire column, and he said smth but I am not fully knowledgeable on it, cause when I go from Sprite 19 to Sprite 20, it skips an entire column ,I think he mentioned how smth is reserved for each fish idk if it was 24x48 (two spots), but I wouldn't know how to select that either, It's all very confusing.

And yeah, I understand you, it's not really your guys responsibility either, it's the framework's responsibility to create a detailed resource, and if they don't, then that's unprofessional. I come from software engineering, and when we see no heavy documentation for a framework/api, our company straight up refuses to use it, since it's deemed "unreliable".

And no no, you didn't come off harsh at all, don't worry, if anyone its me who is coming off harsh, I'm just frustrated lol

[round dock]

shoutout @rancid temple

[gentle rose]

so the thing about it being "unprofessional" is that we're all doing this for free

[lucid iron]

The vanilla game is not public facing software/library

We are sneaking around in mr ape backyard lol

[gentle rose]

this isn't our job so we can't expect people to adhere to professional standards

[ornate locust]

It's a very "one guy" programmed game too

he's getting more one guys involved, but still

so the spaghetti has LAYERS here

[lucid iron]

Atm we r at a point where we can convince mr ape's gardener (pathos) to help us with things

But y'know it's not exactly official

[soft lance]

Yeah, I understand, and again, not referring to you guys, referring to Framework/API maintainers

[rancid temple]

Well, if you're looking for professional work, you could always see if you can commission someone to do it for you

[ornate trellis]

modding is a hobby tho

[lucid iron]

SMAPI itself is very well documented

Most frameworks are as well

[gentle rose]

we are the framework and API maintainers, for the most part everything other than the base game is made by mod authors. I'm working on a framework myself right now, chu has multiple published

[ornate locust]

Framework/API maintainers are also modders

[soft lance]

It's easy for me to make something, but it's not as easy when everyone else asks you how it works when you didn't provide a detailed documentation, regardless

[soft lance]

Mine uses Content Patcher mainly

[lucid iron]

It's just that your particular thing is vanilla game bit

It's not a content patcher feature

[soft lance]

Its not SMAPI I think we are referring to

[gentle rose]

no, like chu said, the feature you're looking at is base/vanilla game

but the tl;dr is that nobody is being paid to maintain modding documentation, really - CA and his team are mostly paid to maintain the vanilla game, not a framework, and everyone else are hobbyists

[ornate trellis]

doesn't change the fact this is all a hobby for people and they do it out of love for the game, thats whats confusing me when you talk bout professionalism(or lack thereof)

[hard fern]

My hobby us crying over machine data

[obtuse wigeon]

Sorry for butting in randomly, but where are the UI elements in the files? I could've sworn I changed all the UI elements, unless this isn't the correct way to change multiple targets in one edit image patch (https://smapi.io/json/none/b5911c0ed4364211869a9351c2c95a29)

[hard fern]

Oh boy the ui is kinda all over the place last time i checked

[obtuse wigeon]

It really is, I had no idea it was so bad!

[lucid iron]

Try patch summary

[latent mauve]

(also if you can screencap what you are apparently missing, that may help narrow it down)

[obtuse wigeon]

https://smapi.io/json/none/6bd28a13884f4b50b4e19a8d39ff592a, heres the patch summary, some things aren't applying and these images are the things that aren't changed

[hard fern]

Oh hmm

Gimme a sec

[hard fern]

the title stuff is in Minigames?

[obtuse wigeon]

part of me is wondering if it's like the panorama background and just a single line of pixels repeated

[hard fern]

and yes the sky is a single line of pixels

in cursors

[latent mauve]

There's also LooseSprites/logo

[soft lance]

Taking a step back, I've noticed how several mod creators have joined in on this conversation, primarily because either I am stupid, or I am used to something, and expected it everywhere I go.

To be fair, I understand your point, and while I do know that these are made by people who love it as a hobby, I come from a more corporate land, and I'm very used to documentation everywhere, and was shocked with how little tutorials were made on modding specific aspects of the game.

When analyzing, you did mention (or someone else did) how fast things change, especially with new additions, features, and overall advancements in frameworks/api's, the game itself, etc. Maybe I was a bit harsh in my judgement on some of these people, but it's still frustrating as a new modder nonetheless, and in all my pasion projects, I always documented it for others to use, but at the end of the day, sometimes it's too much for a few people to do on a large mod or framework, and thus they cannot maintain it perfectly when things change, as it's too much for them, and when stardew updates, and impacts their mod, they have bigger things to worry about then documentation.

I appreciate all of the info that you've provided thus far, thank you

[obtuse wigeon]

Mini games is certainly not where I expected the title screen to be at all

[hard fern]

the sky is like... over here iirc

[obtuse wigeon]

that's the one I edited expecting the title to change but it didnt

[latent mauve]

Yeah, you have to get both instances of the title screen elements.

[obtuse wigeon]

Ye the sky I've had previous dealings with earlier today, not my fav thing at all

[latent mauve]

Minigames/TitleButtons is the one you're missing

[hard fern]

also menutiles and the uncolored version is in maps

[lucid iron]

Vinilla has a guide for this

You can also take look at lavender dreams

[hard fern]

because why wouldn't it be in maps, i guess....

[gentle rose]

I think the one detail you're still missing is that frameworks are actually typically pretty well documented, the documentation you're looking for is for the vanilla game, which just wasn't originally built with modding in mind at the end of the day. Other than that, I'm glad you see our side, and hopefully you'll be able to figure out everything you're trying to over time

[obtuse wigeon]

wow okay maybe the organisation of these isnt the best, and I didn't know Vinilla had a guide, good to know, thank you!

[hard fern]

binilla...

[lucid iron]

Binilla...

Sorry atlas you are not escaping this

[obtuse wigeon]

fat fingered it bahaha, and discord lagged so I could not change it quick enough

[gentle rose]

illa

[uncut viper]

(mod creators stepped in because, unintentionally or not, you blanket applied the word "unprofessional" to all of them if the documentation of their mods is not up to your standards, when that word does not belong in a hobby space at all where people are doing all this for free and fun. i dont think anyone thought you were stupid, but its hard not to take offense. that + what iro said)

[gentle rose]

petition for [bv]in to change their name--

[soft lance]

Shockingly, as strange as the game may be sometimes, it somehow can run on an intel pentium 2 core, with 4gb ddr ram, browsers on that laptop cant even run very well, and somehow the game can be pulled with 60-110 fps, thats impressive

[soft lance]

ok

[hard fern]

Can you even get more than 60 fps in this game

[lucid iron]

Not without DH's crimes

[soft lance]

I believe so, mainly not vanilla

[obtuse wigeon]

I also petition for [bv]in to change their name too

[gentle rose]

I mean, it's a 2d pixel art game, I think the performance is decent but not overly shocking and it's had a lot of performance improvements over time

[lucid iron]

[ornate locust]

oh that's too many fps

[obtuse wigeon]

yes! I got 61 fps, cause by measurement inaccuracy certainly, but still over 60

[lucid iron]

How base game works is that the individual draw/update is often much faster than ~16.6ms but you get capped to 60fps anyways

Running it at above 60 has uh, Effects let's just say

[soft lance]

It is very shocking to me, as mainy "2d pixel art games" made in Unreal Engine somehow need 8gb ram + pretty decent specs, most of them are made on Unity, or as of lately mainly made on Unreal Engine 5, there is a pokemon pixel game 2d I saw and it had some hefty spec requirements, i think its cause the 3d engine still runs even if you arent using it

[gentle rose]

and how my mods work is that I throw as much as possible between ticks and cross my fingers it doesn't become a slideshow 😌 (/j, I'm actually somewhat performance cautious, though not nearly as much as some people here obviously)

[lucid iron]

Honestly lucy I wasn't even trying to berate you, understanding what comes from a (framework) mod and what is a system from vanilla game is just helpful for understanding modding

[gentle rose]

I assume that's because some of the game treats ticks as a measure of time/for animations?

[soft lance]

😭 lol, honestly, I dont think mods on the game will really impact your performance too much, but im sure if your using c#, thats when it gets a little different, most of the time your fine

[lucid iron]

There are some very niche systems in vanilla that 0 mods have used

[hard fern]

hmm yeah i think that has something to do with it, and also sometimes it's not entirely 2d, like it has 3d elements too (from some games ive played that were "pixel")

[lucid iron]

I don't remember the details but yeah some farmer logic is tied to anim

[uncut viper]

content patcher mods can be some of the most FPS-killing mods out there

[soft lance]

all i wanted was to add my fishies to the game, and forgot that aquariums existed sadly..

[gentle rose]

you'd be surprised I've seen mods add entire minutes to load times

[soft lance]

oh dang 😭 i didnt even know, most i played r fine cause my battery life is near same

for laptop

[gentle rose]

there's an entire mod dedicated to profiling mods to help figure out what's causing lag