making-mods-general

[lucid iron]

here is my content.json just for ref https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/61dff144ea7b488f964480c9fdfcb639

[thin fern]

how do you make specific dialogue for specific loved items or just specific items in general. like when you give them smth and they reply with smth they only say for that item?

im trying to do a few of those

while also having the general whole of like the likes, neutral, dislikes, hate

[urban patrol]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Dialogue#Item_dialogue

[lucid iron]

you need the AcceptItem_ dialogue key

[thin fern]

okay! thanks

[sudden estuary]

what are tokens?

[urban patrol]

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/tokens.md

[lucid iron]

content patcher tokens are these things: {{something}}

[hot gale]

Got the dwarf villagers actually planting crops now

Decided to add interiors for all the dwarf villager buildings as well

the forestry hut :D

[drowsy pewter]

dope

[sudden estuary]

Okay planning out this artisan machine concept:

• New trees for Pokemon Apricorns (technically one tree with colour variants) (how are these trees obtained? Do I do a new NPC or just make Pierre sell them)
• Trees produce Apricorn fruit (colours depend on tree colour)
• Keg makes Aprijuice
• New artisan machine makes Pokeballs (type depending on colour) (Are Pokeballs just giftable/decoration items?)

Not too complicated when I lay it out like that

[hard fern]

🤔 i have a few ideas, but depends on how you want to go about it. like i think maybe the apricorns can be foraged? and thus turned into tree seeds? you could also have a vendor who shows up occasionally in town to sell them

[sudden estuary]

I had a dumb idea to have a video game character isekaied into SDV to be a vendor and I could use that as a base/foundation for if I do other video game-themed mods

But foraging is also a really interesting idea

Can Seed Maker make tree seeds though

[hard fern]

Uh..

well.

[lucid iron]

you can make custom bush

[hard fern]

im not sure how the seedmaker works tbh

[lucid iron]

that'd be closest to pokemon berries i feel

[sudden estuary]

I could also have it be a coffee bean situation where the foragable is both a fruit and a seed

I thiiiink in the anime (and maybe PLA) Apricorns come from trees

[dusky sail]

seedmaker doesnt automatically make tree seeds but you can add custom machine rules to make it do that

same for custom bush starters if you go with chu's suggestion

[hard fern]

im looking forward to getting my hands on Bush

not looking forward to actually having to Draw said bush

(so im going to borrow the coffee plant)

[gaunt orbit]

Based on that video my guess is either the spritebatch is using premul alpha or I did the tint color wrong (or both)

[lucid iron]

do u want the whole mod to do repro

i didn't try the texture mode, just the map layer mode

[gaunt orbit]

Nah I can do a placeholder debug thing that just does the render part

[dusky sail]

bush isnt any harder to draw than crop or tree imo

[hard fern]

im not good at drawing any of those

plants are my nemesis

[dusky sail]

i also was not good at drawing them when i first started making my crop mod. maybe ive improved

[brave fable]

the difficulty of drawing a plant is proportional to the number of leaves

[lucid iron]

is grass the ultimate challange

[brave fable]

go on, draw grass tiles that tile. i'll wait

[sullen rain]

Okay guys, what would be going wrong with a mod where a cutscene plays but the farmer isn't appearing when they should?

I have two different older mods where this happens but they work otherwise

[hard fern]

🤔

like... what mods? how is the event written?

[sullen rain]

Okay one is from the Stray Catfe. Tabitha is debating going into the Saloon. It starts and she talks but the part where the farmer appears to talk to her doesn't happen and the scene just stops and doesn't continue

The other is from Mona. The scene plays, the farmer just isn't there so she's talking to no one

[hard fern]

do you got the event jsons

[sullen rain]

That's for the catfe

[hard fern]

!json

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[daring fable]

Ok so I'm here asking for help. I have a mod idea I want to make but I have no idea how to code. It's a mod that would use [CP] code and is mostly event based but I can't for the life of me figure out how to do this. I've read multiple guides multiple times and had some help from someone else but I just can't make sense of this and get it to work in my head. I Have ADHD and OCD and as a result I did really poorly in spelling, math and gramar and I'm having a similar issue trying to learn this. Reading guides doesn't help and I don't want to be hand held for every line of code I write. I want to learn how to do this but I can;t get it to take. THe guy I was talking with suggested I ask for help here since he thinks there might be people who would be better suited to helping me learn. THe short version is its a romance mod mostly based off of cut scenes that are locked behind prequisits and changing the requirments for marraige. Bassically it bothered me that dating was just 2 two more hearts and a pendent to get married so I wanted to make a mod that made dating an actual mechnic. Similar to date night but it would have a story element for each character and it's focused specifically on dating and not on marriage to make it a process.

[hard fern]

uhhh hm. depending on how complicated you want it to be honestly you might need some C# in there too

but it shouldn't be hard to just setup a linear set of events that you have to view before marriage is an option

[[Modding:Events]]

[daring fable]

based on what I've been told so far I won't need C# just CP

[hard fern]

damnit

[lucid iron]

you wouldn't need C#, but you do need to learn how to write event script

[uncut viper]

it depends on what exactly you want the new "requirements for marriage" to be, whether or not you'd need C#

a lot can be done CP only though

its just impossible to say without knowing exact specifics

[daring fable]

this is like 90% of the mod.

[hard fern]

[[Modding:Event_data]]

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Event_data

[lucid iron]

in terms of the mechanics of "no marriage until you seen these events", i think you can achieve it by adding a RejectItem_ for the mermaid pendant

[hard fern]

wait, what guides have you read already so i don't try and link them again

[daring fable]

I've already tried all the guides I have the wiki links and the propper software for coding etc. The guides do not help and activly confuse me more.

I've used the modding wiki as well as one on Git hub

[lucid iron]

like put "RejectItem_(O)460": "no we can't get married yet :(" into their dialogue asset

this is getting ahead of ourselves tho, prob want to understand how to edit things with content patcher first

[uncut viper]

do you have any understanding of json itself in general?

(/gen, asking to try and gauge where most of the confusion might be coming from)

[gaunt orbit]

ah yep I was using new(Color, float) instead of Color * float.

[uncut viper]

i think a solid understanding of how json works would probably help, since i think a lot of guides tend to gloss over how exactly it works or dont go into too much detail in favour of just effectively going "just put this text like this, dont worry about the Why"

[gaunt orbit]

(for the record the way I'm tinting a whole layer is by modifying the ModulationColour on MapDisplayDevice, calling layer.Draw, then changing it back)

[daring fable]

From the perspective of coding I'm an elementry schooler. In high school when my teacher was supposed to cover it he put a line of code on the board and basically said "Copy this" and that is all I was told about coding. I've wanted to learn for a long time and I finally was motivated to try by stardew valley but I've never learned well from reading and youtube is no help. I'm considering just hiring someone but one I want to learn how to do this and two by the time what I want to do will be fully realized I'd probably spend over $1000

[gaunt orbit]

@lucid iron with the weird blending fixed

[uncut viper]

i do think then starting with learning how json works and less so on the modding itself would be a good idea, then, and then taking another look at some of those guides afterwards. if you've already looked at the guides on the modding wiki, thats already mostly what people point to when trying to teach someone how to make those kinds of mods

i do have a json tutorial i made with minimal focus on stardew modding specifically and more focus on how json itself works, if you wanted to give it a try, otherwise there are probably better resources elsewhere online. they wont be stardew related, but most of the json syntax is universally applied
but understanding how to read and write json definitely helps a lot more stardew modding tutorials and guides make sense when you can begin to intuit why things are written the way they are instead of blindly copying bc "the guide said so"

[daring fable]

Those activly confused me and led to me making 50% of it mistakes. THings are often worded in confusing days or they mean one thing but I think they mean another. I got very confused when I was trying how to figure out how portraits work in the code. It's kind of like understanding words in English but not knowing anything about punctuation, grammar or sentence structure.

[daring fable]

I'll give it a look tomorrow.

[lucid iron]

oh it support map ss too nice

[gaunt orbit]

map ss?

[lucid iron]

screenshot

[gaunt orbit]

oh thanks I didn't do anything specific to support it

[lucid iron]

one of the usecase is to hide stuff while off screen

is there any way to change the speed of the fade atm?

[gaunt orbit]

oh wait I guess I used AlwaysFront renderstep instead of RenderedWorld so that is probably what made it work with screenshots

[gaunt orbit]

no, but that's a good idea

[inland rain]

what's the code for brazillian portuguese translation?

[lucid iron]

pt-br

[gaunt orbit]

pt_br I think?

[inland rain]

pt-br.json, pt_br.json, pt.json it is then

[uncut viper]

pt.json will just overrule pt-br.json

[gaunt orbit]

added a FadeTime field, which is an int and the number of game ticks to complete the fade
also implemented the animation fields, which are just FrameCount and FrameTime (also in ticks)

[lucid iron]

u know i always wondered

what is the difference between using ticks vs using ms

i usually do ms (TimeSpan)

[gaunt orbit]

ticks are easier to write and locked to framerate

[uncut viper]

ticks arent guaranteed to a consistent ms

[gaunt orbit]

I used to use ms but implementing ms-based timings is a lot more annoying and for cosmetic things like animations the improved accuracy and framerate independence is not really needed

[uncut viper]

s'why OnUpdateTicked is not guaranteed to happen at a consistent time interval

[lucid iron]

tbh i think i mainly use ms cus i dont know how to access ticks everywhere

[gaunt orbit]

Game1.ticks lol

[lucid iron]

but time is just Game1.currentGameTime isnt it

[gaunt orbit]

Game1.currentGameTime uses the system clock for measurements, Game1.ticks just increments by one every game loop

[brave fable]

GameTime.TotalGameTime has both the ms and the ticks

[gaunt orbit]

really?

[brave fable]

I'd recommend using ms everywhere

err I think so

I usually avoid ticks like the plague (just like real life)

[uncut viper]

i was pretty sure TotalGameTime was just ms?

[gaunt orbit]

ElapsedGameTime has a Ticks property but I'm almost positive that's epoch ticks and not the game loop counter

[brave fable]

fine for testing something quickly that needs a timer, shouldn't ever go into a release

[calm nebula]

Do ticks carry plage?

[brave fable]

ah that's it

[gaunt orbit]

IRL deer ticks carry lyme disease

[brave fable]

well that's fleas, but ticks probably could too

[lucid iron]

i yoinked how game did draw layer frames which was Game1.currentGameTime.TotalGameTime.TotalMilliseconds

[gaunt orbit]

though notably dog ticks do not carry lyme disease, so while they are gross, they're mostly safe

[brave fable]

(is plage an American spelling)

[uncut viper]

no its an atra spelling

[lucid iron]

BuildingDrawLayer.GetSourceRect

[gaunt orbit]

yeah I mean I've done that before, it's just that it's much more verbose and requires working with floating point math which is a lot less convenient than simple integers for spritesheet animation

[uncut viper]

do you need TotalMilliseconds instead of just Milliseconds?

which is an int

[brave fable]

milliseconds is the milliseconds component

[uncut viper]

i dont actually know what the difference really is

oh, thatd make sense

[brave fable]

think of it like the decimal point after the seconds

[uncut viper]

i think

[gentle rose]

I made that mistake too recently

[brave fable]

total milliseconds is the interval as represented in milliseconds

[gaunt orbit]

monogame should really just have a built-in spritesheet animation tool

[gentle rose]

(I also used ms for animations, but the context I'm working in is pretty self-contained which makes things a lot easier)

[lucid iron]

i guess for now i just put EMU in me playing list

make some kisaa house personal edits for the attic and balcony

[cosmic gyro]

Does anyone know where I can find all the names for the locations for making a schedule

[round timber]

!unpack

[ocean sail]

Follow this guide to unpack the game's content files in order to see and explore how the game data is structured.
It's helpful when making your own mods, or just to learn about how the game works!

To use this command, type !unpack.

[round timber]

after you do that Maps folder will be your friend

[patent lance]

New quote added by atravita as #6614 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/1412228921193402480)

[cosmic gyro]

theres not just a list somewhere?

[calm nebula]

no

could also just use the mod Debug Mode tbh

[old quartz]

when i try to put in a monitor for a harmony patch using the example on the best practices section of the main page the ide gives a warning about it hiding the inherited member from the mods class, is that whats supposed to happen cuz im not seeing any traces from it in smapi when i run the game with dev mode on

[lucid iron]

Did you name the monitor static field Monitor

That conflicts with the instanced field inherited from Mod

[old quartz]

when i name it something else the ide says it must be a non null value when exiting the constructor, should i assign something to it?

[lucid iron]

Yeah u can put = null!;

This is a smapi quirk basically

The Entry method acts as the ModEntry constructor in most regards but is ofc not an actual constructor

As long as you are sure that you won't access a thing before assign the null warning is ignorable, and null! suppresses it

[old quartz]

oh yay i see them now!! thank you!!!!

[ornate locust]

If I want to test a patch that activates when a mail flag has been activated, is there a way I can just set that in the SMAPI console?

[lucid iron]

debug action AddMail Current yourflaggoesrighthere

[ornate locust]

nice, thanks

[lucid iron]

You can run any trigger action action with this

[ornate locust]

heck

Well, it mostly works, but I tried to set it so that anything sold to the shop would be sold for nothing, and that doesn't appear to be working right

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/c4b78774c44a442c85b9decc6846dedb
It's the one that's labeled "Municipal Clothing Donations". I appear to not understand how those price modifiers work...

If I could "sell" them in exchange for a prize ticket, that could also work, but I only see how to do trades the other way around

[devout otter]

When I looked into this last, you can't actually modify how an item could be sold to a specific shop.

[ornate locust]

:|

heck

[devout otter]

(I was trying to look if I could have a shop that buy artifacts at higher price than others)

[ornate locust]

I just want it to buy one type of thing and do it for zero money. This seems to say it's doable...

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Common_data_field_types#Quantity_modifiers it even has examples over here

[devout otter]

Oh, if you want it to accept just one thing, you can set that item ID as currency.

[ornate locust]

No, I mean... It doesn't buy anything but what I want to sell it, I'm not trying to make specific items cost more, I guess?

I just want it to buy everything I can sell it for nothing

I can't tell if I'm confused or this wiki page is confusing.
PriceModifiers (Optional) Quantity modifiers applied to the sell price for items in this shop. See also PriceModifiers under Items.
This LOOKS like it's what I want

unless it means them selling to me

[devout otter]

Yeah, that meant them selling to you.

[ornate locust]

argh

[devout otter]

You want to do a donation box thing?

[ornate locust]

I want a clothes donation box, yes

Also wanted to do a little free pantry sort of deal, but if I can't donate stuff, that's kindof not helpful

[zenith robin]

I am making a mod with a lot of override options for crops, and was wondering for having certain areas with "higher quality soil" whether I should have it locked to the vanilla fertilizer values, or if it should be based on a float that a mod author sets.

[drowsy pewter]

you can do a machine

the little free library mod does that

a machine, outputs prize tickets, you can use the prize tickets in a shop thats the free pantry (or just leave the shop free and have the machine output something else to get around the mechanic)

[ornate locust]

I didn't want the free pantry to exchange anything

like it's a box, you can put stuff in it or take stuff out of it without judgement

[gaunt orbit]

I seem to recall one of the map utility mods had an action thing for global inventories. mmap maybe?

[ornate locust]

The machine aspect kinda makes me... not use the library, so I didn't want to go that route

[gaunt orbit]

it would only have stuff that you put in it though

honestly not to be that person but this kind of thing would be much easier to do with c#

[ornate locust]

Easier to do with C# seems like it doesn't account for "learning how to do C# from scratch for a side feature that only unlocks after 10 hearts with an NPC"

[lucid iron]

yea i did make global inventory

it is very easy tho

https://github.com/Mushymato/MiscMapActionsProperties/blob/main/MiscMapActionsProperties/Framework/Tile/ShowGlobalInventory.cs

[ornate locust]

I don't really exactly want a global inventory. The shop let me kinda emulate other people putting stuff in there by setting random inventory, you know?

[lucid iron]

there's a traction to add stuff into a global inventory too

mushymato.MMAP_AddItemToBag

unfortunately this only accepts an item id, i was gonna make peliq do the fancier item spawn field version but didn't get around to it

iirc ftm can also spawn a chest with stuff inside

[ornate locust]

maybe I'll just make it a deadass normal shop with no markup and you're just gonna have to pretend it's free

[lucid iron]

hm

if only u can spawn stuff into a dresser

[vernal crest]

#modded-stardew is the channel you want. This one is for discussion about making mods :)

[oblique ruin]

oh mb

[dusky sail]

For that matter you could also maybe just spawn in a retextured chest and play pretend that other people are accessing it?

[ornate locust]

I know it's basically an RP addition, but I kinda wanted it to have some use, like maybe there's something in there you could use right now.

So a box only you contribute to isn't really along those lines

[dusky sail]

Like a chest with a random chance that something disappears from it or spawns in it each day.... (dont actually know the feasability of this im just rephrasing for my own understanding)

[hard fern]

🤔 the talk of a donation box reminds me... Since the mod im working on is related to cloth, i had thought about like... A special order where... Idk what it's called, but being able to donate quilts to some charity drive... Mainly bc i can't really think of what else to do, tbh. Maybe i can have a pelican town craft fair...

Special orders aren't difficult, are they?

[ornate locust]

I was considering doing some, so I hope not LOL

[hard fern]

Also i... Hm. Festivals.... I hope those aren't hard either

Or maybe i should try something like the night market

[ornate locust]

The MONEY donation box part works anyway

[tiny zealot]

i don't think they are hard, but there are a few weird quirks (be careful with dropbox location, no character icon or something like that, time limit is required unless you have one of the four infinite-duration framework implementations or 1.7, probably more)

[hard fern]

How long can i make the time limit?

[brave fable]

Month is the longest in 1.6

[hard fern]

😔

[brave fable]

if you want longer, you want a quest

[hard fern]

Well, id just hoped to not put pressure by having a time limit

[tiny zealot]

i wasn't kidding i think there are four different mods that implement no time limit on special orders /lh

[hard fern]

🤔 which 4

[tiny zealot]

you'll have to ask someone else for that 😅

[hard fern]

Dang

So... Blueberry...

[brave fable]

i have one unreleased but it's waiting forever anyway

the authors yearn for untimed special orders

[proven spindle]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/26117

[mortal leaf]

Nemo's Magic Skill Mod 1.0 is out and about. Please let me know what you guys think could be improved! I have some cool ideas but feedback is hugely important!

[urban patrol]

hey just a heads up that AI generated mods are against the rules

[mortal leaf]

Thanks for the heads up!

[brave fable]

small steps 🥳

[drowsy pewter]

Blueberry I owe you my firstborn

(whether or not you want it)

[brave fable]

i will put them in the hot pot.

[drowsy pewter]

Yess delicious soup

[brave fable]

a fine roast

[hard fern]

Green things...

[urban patrol]

but the bronklies...

[brave fable]

bronclies are off

[hard fern]

6480 is your firstborn perhaps a gold quality cauliflower

[brave fable]

huh i didn't expect it to actually find the items

i should really rename this food. i dont think there's such a thing as a hot pot roast

wonder what i was eating in 2021

[oblique meadow]

I mean: I’d say it counts. Hot pot roast is right out of the pan or slow cooker

Then there’s cold pot roast. For sandwiches the next day

….now I want pot roast

[drowsy pewter]

Cant be any worse than the recipes in vanilla im ngl

[brave fable]

big fan of bean hotpot with a whopping 2 beans inside

it sure is healthy..

[oblique meadow]

Especially when that first bean fills you /s

[dusky sail]

Maybe the sdv farmer is just growing really big beans

[hard fern]

I love fiddlehead risotto with No Rice

[dusky sail]

Chocolate cake <3 dont ask where the chocolate came from dont worry about it

[brave fable]

yeah there's a lot of cruel injustices in the cooking and i was happy to remove all the custom crops and objects from the love of cooking in v2

but not cooking chocolate. you can take that from my warm chocolate-covered hands

[tired matrix]

Is there any way i can make the folliage compatible with recolor mods?

[dusky sail]

Foliage and dirt will auto-match if you use vanilla tilesheets. Make sure to delete any reference tilesheets from within your mod so the game applies the vanilla sheets that would be edited by recolors instead of the ones inside your own mod

[brave fable]

(see: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Maps#Local_copy_of_a_vanilla_tilesheet)

[dusky sail]

Also im SO excited for context tags/love of cooking compatibility. A few days ago i didnt even know my plan to use spacecore context tag cooking ingredients in a future cooking mod would cause incompatibility, and now by the time i finish it in 6-8 months, it won't!

6-8 might be lowballing it. Ill set the deadline at 2 years

[brave fable]

it's definitely long overdue and hopefully it'll lead to more recipes using context tags for common items (e.g. n Butters)

just needs a little more cleaning up

[dusky sail]

So many different mods add butter.....

And like. I get why. You dont have a guarantee the end user will have any of the other butter-adding mods. But you wanna use it in a recipe so you have to make sure they have it

The butter compatibility nightmare

[hard fern]

Ill keep context tags in mind when i start making more items

[tired matrix]

Fixed thanks!! @brave fable

[drowsy pewter]

chocolate cake is one thing but why did he never patch this retroactively lool

[drowsy pewter]

It thankfully doesnt cause incompatibility (or cause anything to break), you just have to make sure the vanilla recipe string is acceptable because thats what will display for loc users

So for cornucopia its set up to be a configurable option

(always great to set a toggle to turn off features just in case like, that feature temporarily breaks in spacecore at some point)

[brave fable]

also supports spacecore custom skill buffs and added attributes (health/stamina regen)

[dusky sail]

Nodding along. Ok i think i understand

Im still a good bit away from the recipe mod bc i have to finish a different one first but learning things ahead of time doesnt hurt

Basically
1- make the recipe as if it were a normal no context tags recipe
2- add an entry in whichever part of spacecore does recipes that edits it after the fact to use context tags
?

WAIT SPACECORE ALSO ADDS REGEN?

Im disintegrating. But like. In a good way. Im so excited to work on this mod when i get there

[drowsy pewter]

You're required to add the recipe via the normal game method, before also adding the spacecore entry anyways (otherwise spacecore cant add its context tag function)

Didnt realize that you didnt know that yet

[dusky sail]

Yeah i cannot understate how far along i am making this mod ^^;

Ive like. Decided names and some ingredients. Thats it

For the record i do know how to add normal recipes i just also knew i would need context tags to deal with the Butter Compatibility Nightmare. And i hadnt gotten far enough to learn how to do that yet

[drowsy pewter]

I see, in that case i would still recommend choosing a specific butter-having mod to use the items from for the default recipe, just in case the context tag method isnt viable for any reason such as a player using another incompatible cooking mod, spacecore temporarily losing the feature in a major game update, and so on

[dusky sail]

(Butter Compatibility Nightmare is just a silly name its other items too) rn im thinking of like. Having a config option to decide which mod shared items will be drawn from. Then using dynamic tokens to put whichever item that ends up being into the base recipe. Then context tags on top of that

[drowsy pewter]

and there are other mods like the item switching mod that allow people to put the right item in

yeah thats fine too

Dont have to overthink it rn though, you know theres potential solutions so you can just focus on the basic aspects of your mod first

[ornate locust]

We need a butter framework

mod that adds Butter and nothing else and everyone requires The Butter

but it's like ten copies of butter too late for that

[dusky sail]

Im not tryin to stress myself over it dw. I just get excited thinking ahead and planning for features way ahead of time

I just really love modding. I love learning all the things i can do and thinking about how i can apply them all and where theyd be useful

Butter framework unironically wouldve been so good. But youre right about being ten butters too late

[ornate locust]

Now that everyone has their own butter it would be just butter number eleven

[drowsy pewter]

dont worry guys, ill handle it

[ornate locust]

exactly

[brave fable]

there are now 15 competing spreads.

[ornate locust]

"I Can't Believe It's Not Butter 1-10"

[dusky sail]

My MAIN goal. Is to only add butter (and other repeat items) to the game if the player doesnt have any other mods adding them. Or if they want to have 11 butters and ask for mine to be active anyways

[ornate locust]

god I am basically 3 events from a potentially release ready NPC

vibrates

Maybe a few more if I do some of my Scope Creep column

[dusky sail]

I should maybe work on making a resource that lists all the mods that add butter/baking products/meats etc. Because i know id find it useful and maybe other people will too

Also ooooooo new npc soon

[ornate locust]

they're heart events and those take me time

But I've been working since September last year

aside from the side-track for when my gall bladder decided to die

[dusky sail]

rip gall bladder u will be missed

[ornate locust]

no it won't

Awful organ

[brave fable]

"please download the mod, i put my blood, sweat, and gall bladder into these events"

[ornate locust]

"Please don't let my gall bladder have died for nothing"

[dusky sail]

Well. Maybe itd be missed if it functioned correctly. Did it ever consider that

[ornate locust]

Exactly

[dusky sail]

Obviously the answer to this series of events is you make the npc also have had their gallblader removed. Fate dictates it so

[ornate locust]

You're reminding me of that mod that gave you heart pills that you just had to take or your heart would go

mod idea: One day, you don't know when, your gall bladder will go.

[dusky sail]

Reflections of real-world diversity in mods is always good. Even if it ends up sounding kinda silly as a gameplay feature

Gonna start giving the farmer MY issues. You have to sit down at least once every hour or you start taking damage

[gray bear]

farmer forgets to fucking eat and becomes dizzy, starts walking in zig zags

[ornate locust]

Get overheated, faint

[lucid mulch]

Next you are going to mandate the farmer actually sleeps 8 hours and not 4 hours they get currently from 2am to 6am

[ornate locust]

Nah see, you just need a farmer with insomnia

[gray bear]

if u don't sleep for at least 8 you will never hit ur target

going to chop down this tree? no

[urban patrol]

implementing the nap mod, where if you stay up until 2am you lose four hours randomly in the middle of the day to The Nap

[gray bear]

eldritch horror

[ornate locust]

or you wake at lunch

[lucid mulch]

Food coma after eating

[gray bear]

just pass out on the field

[urban patrol]

new CT that gets added: “LazyAss”

[brave fable]

hmm. why did i make the lasagna buff make enemies slower. it should really just make you move slower

[gray bear]

don't wear a hat in summer? enjoy sunburn

[dusky sail]

I mean tbf i often do go to bed at 10 pm when i play the game

[gray bear]

can confirm this is irl effect of lasagna
source; Garfield

[dusky sail]

My farmer is fully rested

[urban patrol]

these are actually good ideas if i do want to make that Old Farmer idea. Old Farmer needs less sleep but moves slow as shit and is prone to The Nap whenever sitting down

[dusky sail]

(Though that does have more to do with a different Issue where i cant visually distinguish dark colors so i just stop being able to see past a certain point)

[gray bear]

sit down lose like 4 hours

just like me fr fr

[lucid mulch]

Can only plant trellis crops as you can't bend down for the parsnips

[gray bear]

solution: no sit

[ornate locust]

Today was productive anyway. Got a coffee maker working, got all my donation boxes sorted, made sure all my map patches worked. those three heart events loom ominously in the background

[gray bear]

issue: ow back
solution 2: lie on floor

[urban patrol]

every day you spend without sitting raises chance of mandatory hip surgery by 1%

[ornate locust]

new issue: how get up from floor

[gray bear]

u don't

floor is home now

[ornate locust]

now there is a cat on you too

floor is forever home

[lucid mulch]

That's a feature not a bug

[gray bear]

this is fine, I don't breathe good anyway

[urban patrol]

benefits of being old: senior discount on everything, pam stops calling you kid

[gray bear]

cat: sits on chest
me: wheezing aww ur such baby

if the farmer was like me they'd get a random ass "oop got a migraine, can't do anything for the rest of the day"

[ornate locust]

Oh, old farmer: knees get worse when it rains

[dusky sail]

Old Farmer starts with a cutscene of your grandchild giving you the deed to a farm they bought that they decided was too much work

[gray bear]

but also: feels when it's going to rain tmrw due to knees

[urban patrol]

no weather channel needed!

i’m actually loving this idea more and more not just for meme potential but also for the difference in roleplaying it would mean

everyone in town gets New Grandparent

[gray bear]

how will u get around the spouse stardrop

suppose e everyone just rooms with krobus

he is as old

[urban patrol]

make george romanceable /j

[gray bear]

pam is right there

[ornate locust]

Evelyn D:

[drowsy pewter]

poly mullners

[hard fern]

Hi i will contribute to the butter conundrum

[ornate locust]

oh well that's fine then

[gray bear]

[hard fern]

I am... Late

To the butter

[gray bear]

where is butter frog

everyone is like "I add butter" but no one dares to add the butter frog from the hit movie cloudy with a chance of meatballs 2

[hard fern]

Bit movie

[urban patrol]

serious answer: could do some fuckery to either make farmer a widow and give it after an emotional moment… maybe deceased spouse left it for you for the one year anniversary of their death. or maybe you get it after “adopting” someone as your honorary child (doesn’t have to be literal adoption, but basically a meaningful relationship with a townsperson)

[gray bear]

shut I'm on mobile

I'm going to steal penny

my child now

[urban patrol]

my neighbor growing up was like a second mom to my mom and i’d love to see that sort of relationship in a game

[ornate locust]

Oh that's it

Instead of a spouse, you adopt someone

[dusky sail]

Alternatively: mod all the marriageables to also be Old.

[hard fern]

Honestly that's probably easier

[gray bear]

too much effort

[urban patrol]

oh god so much rewriting

[ornate locust]

Probably

[gray bear]

banned

[urban patrol]

i’d rather do C# nonsense than rewrite all of that

[ocean sail]

@urban patrol You leveled up to Shepherd. Wow, you've been talking a lot! Have a prettier, slightly more brag worthy, shade of blue.

[hard fern]

All of the hardcoded marriage/children stuff scares me

[ornate locust]

"Be a different blue" is orange

[hard fern]

As someone who does 0 C#

[ornate locust]

silly governor

[gray bear]

spoken like a true shepherd

why can't mod author role be transparent

[hard fern]

Bea when will you be shorts

[gray bear]

I'm trans it should be so

[dusky sail]

George and evelyn are now alex's grandchildren who he named after his grandparents

[gray bear]

I'm on like 880 and it's 1k no?

[hard fern]

Yeah

[urban patrol]

awww

[gray bear]

shorts won't show up either

pufferfish eats it

[dusky sail]

All these ideas for Old Farmer would be a lot of work but im just brainstorming for fun im not thinking about logistics

[gray bear]

rewriting all other npcs would be a nightmare

[urban patrol]

that’s where i’m at too lol

[gray bear]

and that not even mentioning the dreaded mod compatibility

[urban patrol]

if old farmer turns out to be that involved, i’d say screw compatibility :/

[dusky sail]

Maybe the age everyone up dream is just that... a dream. Im still gonna be imagining elderly gay couples in my head tho

[ornate locust]

Make a new old gay guy

that's what I did :V

[urban patrol]

i mean, this could be a collab if someone else wanted to handle that creative aspect of it!

[dusky sail]

Ur a genius...

[urban patrol]

i just know i myself only have so much time in a day and don’t want to reinvent the wheel 😂

[gray bear]

scope creep hitting nic hard

[dusky sail]

But what if you could make it rounder this time

Im joining the war on scope creep on the side of scope creep

[gray bear]

[urban patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/beach-wave-oh-no-gif-4664985

[urban patrol]

sighs and opens notes app

ooh for old farmer fishing could RESTORE energy

[deep plume]

okay I love all that lol

[scarlet knoll]

Hi everyone! Question about coding my mod. I'm making a dirt retexture for winter, and I'm thinking about having it disabled during snow, so then the snow will cover the ground as normal. What would I add to the "When" section to make this happen? I know nothing about coding, so I have a hard time understanding how to connect tokens properly.

[undone kelp]

memory problems, like forgetting some liked and loved gifts in the character menu

[dusky sail]

You're gonna have to apply your retexture to each season individually because of how vanilla tilesheets work, so just dont apply it to winter

No when tokens necessary

Wait

I cant fucking read

[scarlet knoll]

lol No worries!

I was just replying cause I was confused too. XD

[verbal narwhal]

is there any uncomplicated way for me to simulate a farmhand with a certain house/spouse room to test my mod?

[hard fern]

run two instances of the game? I guess?

play mp with yourself...

[dusky sail]

REAL answer:
"When": { "Weather": "Snow" },

[verbal narwhal]

I need to disable stardrop for this, right?

[dusky sail]

The content patcher github has an author guide with more info like this if you get stuck again! Hope this helps

Also never take anything i say as law im guessing like 70% of the time

For example my first thought was to use a GSQ and then i went "no.... i should fact check myself" and lo and behold theres a built-in content patcher token for this

[drowsy pewter]

you wouldnt be able to use a gsq for this anyways without complicatedly routing it through a trigger action to set a mailflag

cp action requires cp condition

[lucid mulch]

Even with stardrop, you launch the first time normally, wait until idling at the main menu, and then back in stardrop press the unlock button in the popup thingy and in the top bar you can launch smapi again

[scarlet knoll]

Would I be able to add false onto it to make the retexture not appear during snow then?

[verbal narwhal]

OMG thank you!

[lucid mulch]

"When": {
    "Weather |contains=Snow": false
}

[dusky sail]

Yeah adding a false to a token check is a bit more complicated than just tacking on a false at the end

[scarlet knoll]

Thanks btw! ^.^ I've been looking over the github, but again, I have trouble understanding how to string the pieces together correctly. @.@;

[dusky sail]

Youll get the hang of it!

[lucid mulch]

assuming Snow is the correct weather type, its that style of structure to invert the query

[scarlet knoll]

Ah! Thank you! ^.^

Thanks! ^.^ Really appreciate the help!

[lucid mulch]

CP generally prefers you to conditionally patch on positive constraints rather than conditionally not-patch

you can force it to do it but its always semi clunky as a result

[scarlet knoll]

Alright, I'll keep that in mind.

[dusky sail]

Its not applicable in this situation regardless but is it true you could also write a "false" statement by just listing all the other possible values? For this i know it would mess with compatibility with weather mods and be super long but like. For other stuff

[lucid mulch]

yes

[scarlet knoll]

I had thought about that, but yeah, weather mods would throw that off. T.T

[lucid mulch]

for the reasons you list is why switching to the inverse check is the safer play, though has similar compatibility issues for other weather thats snow-like

as there isn't a specific snowy weather characteristic token/query

[scarlet knoll]

Now back to my art program to make this mod even more unnecessarily complicated.

[dusky sail]

Mostly with CP ive found myself missing elif statements though... ive figured out i can sort of do them just...backwards

[gray bear]

whats an elif

[dusky sail]

It works just as well it just bends my brain a little

If (condition) do A
Elif (other condition) do B
Else do C

[lucid mulch]

if <condition> { stuff } else if <second condition> { stuff 2 } else { rest stuff }

[gray bear]

u can do that with CP no?

[lucid mulch]

stuff2 will run only if <condition> isnt true but <second condition> is

[dusky sail]

You can do it but backwards

[lucid mulch]

you can always make the !(<condition>) && <second condition> statement, but can be less ergonomic/readable

[dusky sail]

In cp its like
Do C
When (other condition) overwrite C with B
When (condition) overwrite C and/or B with A

[lucid mulch]

again, CP prefers conditionally patching, not conditionally not-patching

tbh I can't think of a clean way for CP to even do proper else/elseif that wont feel like a bolted on hack

closest would be some "PatchGroup" mechanism that lets you group patches together and only one patch in the group is allowed to be active and runs in standard priority order

[gray bear]

can query do that or is that cheating

[lucid mulch]

query just lets you more brain off write the large expression, it wont let you have patch 2 not run if patch 1 is running

[dusky sail]

I relied on elifs a lot in my coding classes in college (maybe too much...) so its just been a bit of a learning curve doing it other ways in content patcher is all

In my defense though coding wasnt my major these were just elective classes

[lucid mulch]

all patches in cp are independent of each other and trying to couple their states together gets messy

[gray bear]

true

most similar thing but not the same is dynamic token it so only one patch runs depending on conditions

which is again not elif but uhh

[lucid mulch]

content patcher is entirely declarative not imperative

and if/elseif is very imperative control flow thinking

and there isn't that much reason for cp to branch into the more imperative control flow, because if you want that much complexity, C# is right there

[dusky sail]

Learning C# just so i can have my ten million conditions spaghetti code back <3

[gray bear]

spaget

[lucid mulch]

which is one of the features of a declarative system, the potential for spaghetti is much lower

spooky action at a distance isn't really a thing as everything is running off the identical state and no patch can mutate that state

[hard fern]

Mm spaget

[verbal narwhal]

sadly I cannot join myself on my pc q.q

[verbal narwhal]

private static bool IsSebastiansSpouseHouse(GameLocation loc) { if (loc is FarmHouse fh) { Farmer owner = fh.owner; if (owner != null && owner.HasNpcSpouseOrRoommate("Sebastian") && Game1.netWorldState.Value.hasWorldStateID("sebastianFrog")) return true; } return false; }

is this the correct way to check if a farmer or farmhand is married to Sebastian and has the frog tank?

[lucid mulch]

if you are in their house, presumably

[verbal narwhal]

perfect

[cold marsh]

Late reply but thanks a ton.

[thick ridge]

@dusky sail This is the user who was trying to fix up that Ruan Mei mod. It worked and it managed to verify and validate the new files. Just a little problem...

I found out that the original modder just updated a new version of the mod in CN a few days ago and the new files look radically different from the ones I edited my machine translation into. At this point, do I redo everything from scratch or is there some kind of json array tool where I can easily merge both seemlessly? Or at this point do I have to do everything from scratch all over?

For reference, this is the json log for my attempted EN machine translation:

https://smapi.io/json/none/7f7eb27e75894363a04036285fc51bbf

And this is the new one...

https://smapi.io/json/none/14e672564ccd4249ae564d1232dc6b5d

I notice the newer one adds 300 lines into the json.

I have yet to check how the dialogue json files have been affected. Mind you I'm only doing this for private use / I initially did not plan to publish this especially without their permission but I do wonder if at this point I should just contact the original modder and acquire their permission to publish a translation into nexus?

This is the page for the og mod

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/36795?tab=description

[gray bear]

so im using gwen's paths and for some reason wood path looks like this? the code looks fine i am lost. this is in winter btw, works fine for other seasons

patchmode ain't on overlay or anything

oh no, this is happening for all paths

why,,,

[dusky sail]

Im actually no expert in writing translations for mods without i18ns 🙏 i only spoke up in the thread bc i recognized the syntax errors that could be fixed

[gray bear]

issue was pathe dits overlapping

[thick ridge]

Ah my bad. Anyways, I contacted the original modder to see what they think. Via machine translated ENG to Trad CN but I'll see how that works. Thank you for the insights still.

I asked about the new update because the mod runs fine... except everytime I speak to Ruan Mei, she ignores and when I click on her profile, I get this error; mismatched ui mode push pop counts

but all my mods were up to date and the game was running fine otherwise so I wondered if it had more to do with the creator of the ruan mei mod

[woeful lintel]

Edit mode Overlay instead of Replace?

[gray bear]

mhm

[opaque hornet]

I seem to be having some weird issues, trying to include HarmonyLib; I'd enabled it in my csproj config but whenever i try i can't include it without referrencing 0harmony.dll directly i can't which i really don't want to do, same issue weirdly with modmanifest and I'm having to include the Coreinterfaces dll file as well

an i doing something wrong here?

[tiny zealot]

don't reference harmony directly

[opaque hornet]

yeah, that's what i'm saying is the issue - i read about the version conflicts

[calm nebula]

I suspect you are, indeed, doing something wrong 😛

What does your .csproj look like

[tiny zealot]

put <EnableHarmony>true</EnableHarmony> in your <PropertyGroup> in your csproj and then using HarmonyLib; in your .cs files

[calm nebula]

Please a upload it to, like, a gist

The other possibility is that you have the game in a non-standard location

And need to specify the <GamePath>

[opaque hornet]

https://pastebin.com/tSt7SLfn

ah oki, sec

[calm nebula]

Okay, it looks like you're not using the nuget

Can you try that?

This also looks like you've forked an incredibly old mod

One second

[opaque hornet]

nope, no fork here just fresh project

[tiny zealot]

this is going to be a problem
<TargetFrameworkVersion>v4.7.2</TargetFrameworkVersion>

[calm nebula]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Migrate_to_Stardew_Valley_1.5.5

[brave fable]

are you using Visual Studio Community 2022, or an older version?

[tiny zealot]

did you follow an old tutorial?

[opaque hornet]

2022, which version should i target? there's not many c# tuts out there

[brave fable]

modern csproj files (SDK format) look more like this:
https://github.com/b-b-blueberry/DesertBus/blob/master/DesertBus/DesertBus.csproj

[tiny zealot]

this is what you target for current stardew
<TargetFramework>net6.0</TargetFramework>

[lucid iron]

!startmodding

[ocean sail]

Making mods can be broadly divided into two categories:

• Content packs are formatted text files, and don't need any programming knowledge. They can add/edit NPCs, maps, new items, shops, and more. To get started, see the list of framework mods, the wiki tutorial for Content Patcher, and there might be relevant guides on the tutorial wiki.
• C# mods use programming code to change fundamental game mechanics. See getting started with C# modding.

Usually it’s easier to start with making content packs, since you don't need to learn programming.

To use this command, type !startmodding.

[lucid iron]

You can follow the C# modding guide on the wiki

Try making the button press mod

[calm nebula]

The migration guide i linked also gets you the new csproj format

[solemn lagoon]

sorry for interrupting, i want to ask is it possible to add custom map properties to custom npc's spouseroom?

[gentle rose]

map properties are typically applied to the entire map. do you mean tile properties?

[lucid mulch]

tbh I don't think TargetFramework net6.0 would even work in classical project structure

[calm nebula]

RipZ, SinZ, I sense a pattern

[oblique meadow]

If you mean tile properties, depending what you are trying to do potentially yes… but spouse rooms are finnicky little shits at times

[tender bloom]

Map properties apply to the farmhouse map as a whole

Tile properties are data on specific tiles

[tiny zealot]

i could believe that. stardew modding is literally the only thing i've ever used C# for

[tender bloom]

(Despite this, many map properties specify tiles to affect, so unsurprisingly it’s confusing)

[brave fable]

hi @brittle pasture , do you have any idea why Machine Terrain Framework (and Aquatic Crops - formerly Custom Tapper Framework) would prevent raised garden beds from accepting seeds
with rgb, without mtf(aacfctf):

with both mods:

[oblique meadow]

Plus it’s the farmhouse. Which I am pretty sure it’s haunted

[tiny zealot]

mtf(aacfctf)
gezundheit

[solemn lagoon]

i believe it's map properties, I'm trying to add NightTiles and stuff like Light but it doesn't show up in-game

[lucid iron]

I think it won't work on a spouse room by default

You may have to do a separate edit targeting the house, unsure

[lucid mulch]

spouse room and spouse patio's edits wouldn't copy over map properties

while SMAPI's map edit code is based on it, the logic that would also do map properties isn't in vanillas map modification logic

[calm nebula]

Do they copy the paths layer?

[lucid mulch]

think so iirc

[brave fable]

they do, since loadSpouseRoom() specifically checks for a Paths tile to use as the spouse standing spot

[tiny zealot]

one of the actual uses for the red circle tile

[lucid mulch]

it uses the standard ApplyMapOverride logic which copies all tilesheets and layers

[tiny zealot]

(memories of 1.5 having all of those vestigial walking paths drawn on the maps, which 1.6 removed)

[lucid mulch]

there is magic code for spouse rooms based on the tile ids used to automagically edit the light related map properties
EDIT: the code is more than just spouse rooms

[brittle pasture]

thanks for the report. I definitely didn’t know there are mods that adds modded plantable pots when I set custom pots to ban vanilla seeds by default (why did I do this)

[brave fable]

but selph, you are a mod that adds modded plantable pots

[lucid iron]

I briefly contempated a mod that would grant any big craftable the special classes

So u can make more IndoorPot or more AutoGrabber

[calm nebula]

Yes plz

[brave fable]

oh and since you asked about custom (identifiers) chu, rgb has one

[calm nebula]

(So did i lol)

[brave fable]

mine is even fashionably named OutdoorPot (the class not the identifier) (this is not an identifier even though it's in parentheses) (none of these are identifiers)

[calm nebula]

Smh

[lucid iron]

However i decided not to do anything since blueb updated pots

[calm nebula]

But

Chests. Autograbbers. Autopetters. I don't remember other subclasses

Dear lord

[lucid iron]

Item pedestal

[calm nebula]

That was supposed to be to the beat of "heels. Nails, blade, mascara" but I gave up real fast

[brittle pasture]

autopetters and grabbers don’t have their own classes right

[calm nebula]

Eff if i know I'm dumb

[brittle pasture]

only chests and pots (and both have mods that handle it already)

(not pedestals though)

[calm nebula]

Jukebox

That's another one

Phones

[brittle pasture]

oh yeah there’s a lot more that I forgot

I legit thought those were just regular BCs with special check actions

[nimble marlin]

Hi @brave fable ! I was wondering how can I translate the text of the cooking skill on the skill menu page. I thought It was the "menu.cooking_skill.name" entry but it wasn't. I couldn't find where that line can be translated

[brave fable]

hi, it's definitely menu.cooking_skill.name, i'll have to give it a look tomorrow

looks fine for the other custom skills so definitely something wrong on my end

[soft lance]

#images-and-memes message

I am making a mod for fishing, and it's turning out great! (7 fishies so far, very balanced + tested along other mods)

Only problem is that all my fish when caught have a purple background (the item caught popup on the bottom left that shows what you caught)

I'm unsure why that is..and some people online said that it's because of the gold worth being over 500, but most aren't, does anyone know?

[dusky sail]

hard to say without more information tbh

the purple background in the new item popup does mean its worth more gold so it becomes a question of "why does the game think its worth that much"

[lucid mulch]

obj.sellToStorePrice(-1L) > 500) ? new Rectangle(163, 399, 26, 24) : new Rectangle(293, 360, 26, 24)

so its 500 after all the various multipliers are taken into account

[soft lance]

ohh gotcha that makes more sense lol

[soft lance]

not all but a few do become worth some good gold, the highest fish is the Marlin which has a difficulty of 95 and is a darter, good luck catching him, but if you do, sells for 800. If he's iridium quality, which if you use the right bobbers he will be, and smoke him, he'd be worth thousands lol

[dusky sail]

stonks

[unborn dagger]

Can someone tell me how player warps and npc/event warps differ? Cause the player is traversing the map without issue, but there is one warp spot in particular that gets locked up during events, or when an NPC tries to use it (specifically, entry to bus stop from tile 11, 23 after arriving there via warp)

[balmy venture]

Hi @tawny ore I'm trying to read and understand to learn stardew codes. If it's not a bother to you, would you point to me where in your code for Ultra Organized Chests the icons for the chest types are loaded into the config menu? I mean, when you are setting up the organizer, it pulls different icons if it's a fridge, a normal chest or a big chest. Sorry if it's a stupid question

[verbal narwhal]

does this look stupid with no background and the frog image so central?

(Im still trying to get rid of the name "scroll"

[unborn dagger]

It looks fantastic to me, but maybe a shadow below the frog would make it better given it's a whole body sprite?

[gray bear]

probably better to zoom in on his face? portraits are often like that
if not perhaps bigger

[verbal narwhal]

ahh and apparently my code cannot detect if there are two frogs :(

if (Game1.random.NextDouble() < 0.85) { Texture2D crittersText2 = Game1.temporaryContent.Load<Texture2D>("TileSheets\\critters"); base.TemporarySprites.Add(new SebsFrogs { texture = crittersText2, sourceRect = new Microsoft.Xna.Framework.Rectangle(64, 224, 16, 16), animationLength = 1, sourceRectStartingPos = new Vector2(64f, 224f), interval = 100f, totalNumberOfLoops = 9999, position = spot * 64f + new Vector2(Game1.random.Choose(22, 25), Game1.random.Choose(2, 1)) * 4f, scale = 4f, flipped = Game1.random.NextBool(), layerDepth = (spot.Y + 2f + 0.11f) * 64f / 10000f, Parent = this }); } if (!Game1.player.activeDialogueEvents.ContainsKey("sebastianFrog2") && Game1.random.NextBool()) { Texture2D crittersText3 = Game1.temporaryContent.Load<Texture2D>("TileSheets\\critters"); base.TemporarySprites.Add(new SebsFrogs { texture = crittersText3, sourceRect = new Microsoft.Xna.Framework.Rectangle(64, 240, 16, 16), animationLength = 1, sourceRectStartingPos = new Vector2(64f, 240f), interval = 150f, totalNumberOfLoops = 9999, position = spot * 64f + new Vector2(8f, 3f) * 4f, scale = 4f, layerDepth = (spot.Y + 2f + 0.11f) * 64f / 10000f, flipped = Game1.random.NextBool(), pingPong = false, Parent = this }); if (Game1.random.NextDouble() < 0.1 && Game1.timeOfDay > 610) { DelayedAction.playSoundAfterDelay("croak", 1000); } }

this is how the game codes it

and this is my try at detecting it:

` private static int CountSebastianFrogs(GameLocation loc)
{
if (loc is not FarmHouse fh)
return 0;

        Point p = fh.GetSpouseRoomCorner();
        p.X++;
        p.Y += 6;
        Vector2 origin = Utility.PointToVector2(p) * 64f;

        const float minX = 24f, maxX = 112f;
        const float minY = -8f, maxY = 32f;

        int count = 0;
        foreach (var s in loc.temporarySprites)
        {
            if (s == null) continue;


            if (s.Parent != loc) continue;

            int startY = (int)s.sourceRectStartingPos.Y;
            if (startY != 224 && startY != 240) continue;

            Vector2 rel = s.position - origin;
            if (rel.X >= minX && rel.X <= maxX && rel.Y >= minY && rel.Y <= maxY)
                count++;
        }
        return count;
    }`

[lucid iron]

I think this is a painful way to count the froges

Is there no mailflag or whatever you can check directly

As for the scroll the path of least resistance is to just give the froge a display name

[tawny ore]

Here it is https://github.com/LeFauxMatt/UltraOrganizedChests/blob/6b564fe3707a1fc5b806b6909b6e8eef43b1d6a6/UltraOrganizedChests/Services/PriorityOption.cs#L148

[gray bear]

maybe give frog background?

[willow zinc]

Sorry if I'm asking over someone but I just wanted to ask about a content pack

I'm trying to make a content pack to get littleNPCs to work with The Farmer's Children but I've gotten a little lost around the part where I mess around with the content json, do I copy and paste the content files from those mods into the one content json for the pack or am I missing a step entirely? This is my first time messing around with content packs and I'm very bad at tech stuff in general so I'm very sorry if this has been asked 101 times

[balmy venture]

@tawny ore thanks so much, it's all very complicated to me but reading it over and over helps

[devout otter]

The Farmer's Children is a content pack for LittleNPCs, so you shouldn't need to do anything special to make them work, really. Just put both mods in your mods folder.

[willow zinc]

Oh oops, so that solves one problem then

I have both installed and they're both updated but I'm still getting the error when my kid is telling me to go to the mod page for littleNPCs but the art is showing in the portrait, I had assumed I needed to merge them somehow (hence me trying to make a mod pack and failing lmao)

[devout otter]

Have you installed both parts of The Farmer's Children? The art files and the dialogue files?

[willow zinc]

Yeah, I have both freshly installed

[devout otter]

Then you may want to open a thread here: #1272025932932055121

[willow zinc]

Will do, thank you :]

Nevermind I deleted a random file and it's now working! I don't know what I did but it works now!

[gentle rose]

(getting rid of the name scroll will be a bit annoying without a transpiler, from what I remember of that class. I’m fairly certain that part is in DialogueBox.draw)

[gaunt orbit]

tip: you can use ```cs to get a proper code block. (you have to also end it with ```)

[verbal narwhal]

ohh thank you!

[verbal narwhal]

namespace StardewValley.BellsAndWhistles
{
    public class SebsFrogs : TemporaryAnimatedSprite
    {
        private float yOriginal;

        private bool flipJump;

        public override bool update(GameTime time)
        {
            base.update(time);
            if (!base.pingPong && base.motion.Equals(Vector2.Zero) && Game1.random.NextDouble() < 0.003)
            {
                if (Game1.random.NextDouble() < 0.4)
                {
                    base.animationLength = 3;
                    base.pingPong = true;
                }
                else
                {
                    this.flipJump = !this.flipJump;
                    this.yOriginal = base.position.Y;
                    base.motion = new Vector2((!this.flipJump) ? 1 : (-1), -3f);
                    base.acceleration = new Vector2(0f, 0.2f);
                    base.sourceRect.X = 0;
                    base.interval = Game1.random.Next(110, 150);
                    base.animationLength = 5;
                    base.flipped = this.flipJump;
                    if (base.Parent != null && base.Parent == Game1.currentLocation && Game1.random.NextDouble() < 0.03)
                    {
                        Game1.playSound("croak");
                    }
                }
            }
            else if (base.pingPong && Game1.random.NextDouble() < 0.02 && base.sourceRect.X == 64)
            {
                base.animationLength = 1;
                base.pingPong = false;
                base.sourceRect.X = (int)base.sourceRectStartingPos.X;
            }
            if (!base.motion.Equals(Vector2.Zero) && base.position.Y > this.yOriginal)
            {
                base.motion = Vector2.Zero;
                base.acceleration = Vector2.Zero;
                base.sourceRect.X = 64;
                base.animationLength = 1;
                base.position.Y = this.yOriginal;
            }
            return false;
        }
    }
}

there is also this but I dont even know really what mailflags are

[gaunt orbit]

maybe don't subclass TemporaryAnimatedSPrite

or wait is the game itself doing that

[lucid iron]

Is this vanilla

Bellsandwhistles

[verbal narwhal]

yes it has the animations

[lucid iron]

But yeah my meaning is that find out how game is adding the froge

[verbal narwhal]

yeah that is vanilla (pls correct me if i am wrong)

[lucid iron]

And check those conds to spawn your dialogue

[gaunt orbit]

oh that is vanilla. that's cursed af

[verbal narwhal]

it calls activedialoguevent contains key

[gaunt orbit]

one frog is random 85% chance, the other frog is always added if sebastianFrog2 is active and 50% chance

[verbal narwhal]

so I can just check if that one is active?

nice thank you so much <3

[calm nebula]

(Late but subclasses of TAS are especially bad because the way the game literally bans them lol(

Look at the binarywriter for them

[lucid iron]

Why does SebsFrogs then

[calm nebula]

The ones the game has are explicitly whitelisted iirc

You can also get away with it if it isnt broadcast

[lucid iron]

Honestly I don't get why these froges aren't just Critter

[calm nebula]

I say this because it is the big exception to "if does not hit save serializer is fine"

Look, I don't ask questions no more

Ever since bat blinks and white pixel of the moon

[tiny zealot]

oh i don't think i know about bat blinks

[calm nebula]

Bat blinks

#making-mods-general message

[soft lance]

Quick question

When adding fish to the game (locations.json), how can you make it so that the fish can appear in multiple spots (I have the locations (3), but I don't know how to make my fish appear in three at once)?

For Content Patcher

[nimble marlin]

wow! cutest thing I've seen on stardew valley

[verbal narwhal]

sorry for hijacking the convo but can anyone tell me where this texture or only the scroll sprite in dialogues is located? or what its name/reference is?

thank you!!

[uncut viper]

its literally baked into the portrait box in Cursors

[verbal narwhal]

noooooooooo q.q

[uncut viper]

thats why chu said it would be easiest to just give them a name, i imagine

[verbal narwhal]

is there a way to replace it with a custom made portrait box only for dialogue boxes with the frog?

can harmony do that?

[uncut viper]

sure, if you transpile DialogueBox.draw, which will be very painful

or prefix skip it, and accept incompatibility with a lot of other mods that touches dialogue boxes

[verbal narwhal]

mhmm dang

[soft lance]

To add to this, replacing the portrait box might also make it harder because there are modded users who have customized boxes/themes, I've seen a handful of them, and this might add to both your and their frustration

[uncut viper]

or make your own DialogueBox class (but see above about incompatibility)

thats correct, any recolour that recolour that scroll would just add it back even if you edited the texture yourself

so you'd have to make it not use that texture at all

via methods listed above

[oblique meadow]

ok, I need help. Im pretty sure this is a simple thing but I cant figure it out. Im following the wiki as expected...

CP is giving me this message:
[Content Patcher] Ignored Explosive Baby Ammo > EditImage Maps/springobjects #1: the When field is invalid: 'ChosenAmmo' can't be used as a token because that token could not be found.

Im calling the token like so:

    "Format": "2.7.0",
    "ConfigSchema": {
        "Ammo": {
            "AllowValues": "Baby,Eevee,Junimo(Red),Junimo(Green),Junimo(Purple),Pam,Random",
            "Default": "Baby"
        }
    },
    "DynamicTokens": [
        {
            "Name": "ChosenAmmo",
            "Value": "{{Config:Ammo}}"
        },
        {
            "Name": "ChosenAmmo",
            "When": {
                "Ammo": "Random"
            },
            "Value": "{{Random:Baby,Eevee,Junimo(Red),Junimo(Green),Junimo(Purple),Pam}}"
        }
    ],```

[uncut viper]

did you restart your game after adding the dynamic token?

[oblique meadow]

I did. Twice

[tiny zealot]

thanks i hate it

[uncut viper]

wait, what is "Config:Ammo"?

there are no other warnings in your log? because thats not a token

[oblique meadow]

Im calling ammo from the configuration. Did I misunderstand the wiki?

[gray bear]

that'd just be {{Ammo}}

[uncut viper]

which wiki page? dont add "Config:"

[gray bear]

the configschema just makes tokens u can use normally

[oblique meadow]

Ah ha, Im just dumb. That got it.

[tiny zealot]

is Config secretly a token, or did CP not warn about it when parsing the dynamic tokens?

[gray bear]

chosenammo dynamic token looks correct

[oblique meadow]

and no. That was the entire warning. Normally I can trudge through it.

ok. Good to know. Thanks all.

[gray bear]

a secret token? i don't want it

[calm nebula]

It's so brilliant I'm impressed ngl

[soft lance]

Does anyone know, or has it not been attempted yet?

[oblique meadow]

Look at the mod "More new Fish"

They added a number of fish and you can get an idea how it's done

[soft lance]

I took a lot there, but I am unsure if any of their fish spawn in multiple locations instead of just the beach or rivers etc, im trying to make mine spawn in all of ginger islands waters

[oblique meadow]

So if you look at the locations.JSON file you have to edit by map name. Since Ginger island is several maps combined you'll need to edit the locationdata for each map

[soft lance]

So i copy and paste my fish entry like the one I showed you into each location? Oof, yeah I know ginger is based on a lot of locations, was wondering if there was any cleaner way. Appreciate it now I know u can do that

[dusky sigil]

how do i use the temporaryanimatedsprite event command within a quickquestion? it's intepreting the \\ within my asset path as the start of a new command

[calm nebula]

switchEvent to a new key

[tame burrow]

Did content patcher ever add negating tokens with ! or is this just a vague memory of something pathos said he was interested in doing

[lucid iron]

! Is for GSQ, and negation on a token doesn't really make any sense cus it's just a set of values

[tame burrow]

Gotcha, I remembered this. Was curious bc someone in ES tried to do it

[lucid iron]

I think it should probably be a {{sleep|notcontain="blah"}} deal

To match contain

[calm nebula]

Contains: false is basically the same thing

[lucid iron]

Well this is outside of When block

It should resolve to false whenever contains resolve to true basically

[lucid iron]

@ivory plume hello there how do you feel about a notcontains arg for tokens along these lines

[tame burrow]

They tried to do it in a when condition, wanted to confirm ! was not implemented before doubling down telling em it was wrong

[uncut viper]

|contain't

[ivory plume]

I'd rather avoid it, since that would imply adding custom notX versions of any other boolean input argument. Usually this would be used in a When block, so I think adding a generic ! prefix for condition keys would be more generally useful.

[lucid iron]

Would it look like this
{{token |!contains=blah}}

I guess it's a little wacky because When is already capable of negation so this new thing is really for token usage only

[ivory plume]

It would look like this:

"When": {
    "!SomeToken": "blah" // equivalent to "SomeToken |contains=blah": false
}

(But maybe just having the contains version is clearer?)

[uncut viper]

what would !Random be

would !Uppercase be equivalent to Lowercase?

[lucid iron]

Yeah I think using ! here is a bit confusing cus most tokens aren't bools

[ivory plume]

All conditions are boolean, so ! would just negate the condition. For example:

"When": {
    "!Random: 1, 100": "{{Range:1,25}}" // *not* between 1 and 25
}

But it might be confusing compared to the more explicit contains= form.

[calm nebula]

So, what would {{!i18n: my-key}} produce

[ivory plume]

An error message. ! would only be valid in a condition key, not a token name.

[gentle rose]

so it wouldn't work for chu's suggestion here?

[uncut viper]

it also does read as a little confusing to me but i couldnt explain why it does but not GSQs, but also i think there's a non-insignificant chance that adding that syntax would make people think GSQs can be used as when conditions even more so than they already do

[ivory plume]

Nope (and I don't really like the ! syntax in this case anyway).

[lucid iron]

Yeah i think the feature i had in mind is something else

Like contains is "element is member of set" so notcontains is "element is not member of set"

It seems like normal set theory thing to want but it is quite niche

[gentle rose]

makes sense

I think it's a little less confusing to have the ! on contains (the actual boolean operator) rather than the token name personally, just because I feel like there's the implication that removing the ! should result in the negated behaviour of when it's there

[tiny zealot]

chu can you give me an example of when this would be useful outside of a When block? i'm having trouble

[lucid iron]

I would like to directly use the resolved token value false in places such as an i18n key

[ivory plume]

(Technically contains is not "set contains element", but "set intersects other set").

[uncut viper]

GSQ Conditions

localtoken values as well

[gentle rose]

(but the negation of "!Random ...": "{{Range ...}}" is not "Random ...": "{{Range ...}}", it's the |contains version I think?)

[brittle ledge]

There's a tutorial for fish on the modding wiki, but yes, I believe you have to patch each location separately

[uncut viper]

unless i misunderstood the way i read Pathos's example is that the negation of the former would be the negation of the latter?

[lucid iron]

At any rate the suggestion was largely a whim, I'm not super attached to having this niche thing and it's not even needed by axell's original ask

[ivory plume]

It's a bit confusing because Content Patcher mostly hides the set theory. But this:

"When": {
   "Random: 1, 10": "{{Range: 1, 3}}"
}

Is by definition equivalent to this:

"When": {
   "Random: 1, 10 |contains={{Range: 1, 3}}": true
}

Which is why ! would always make sense for a condition key (but would be confusing due to the abstraction).

[gentle rose]

if that was true, in boolean logic they should currently be the same thing

[uncut viper]

i mistyped, ignore the second "negation"

[gentle rose]

oh I see, that's what I was stuck on

(I forgot the former syntax existed lmao)

[calm nebula]

Tbh I see this entire feature as syntax sugar

[tame burrow]

Yeah would be a cool niche thing but nothing that can't be handled in other ways.

Good I wasn't giving misinformation my memory is just very good for vague memories of things I thought I saw

[calm nebula]

To avoid explaining the fundamental set-ness of CP

(I like my sugar)

[gentle rose]

while a bunch of c# people (and maybe pathos still) are here, does the game ever currently unload loaded assets from memory except for when it’s closed? (or alternative question, what’s a good approach towards optimising a mod that may load a lot of assets)

[lucid iron]

It yeets it when u return to title psure

[uncut viper]

(also maybe worth pointing out that Pathos's idea would work for chu because chu can just put it in a dynamic token, which would use when conditions)

[lucid iron]

Well i can already do that with contains

[uncut viper]

Pretty sure I've had plenty of assets remain loaded after returning to title

[lucid iron]

The map assets definitely get yeeted

[calm nebula]

As far as I know image assets are never removed from a content cache

[gentle rose]

does it ever do it during a session though? or does it literally store all of those things until you return to title again?

[lucid iron]

I don't think Game1 content gets yeeted

[calm nebula]

Without throwing out the entire content cache

Which can happen

[lucid iron]

Game1.temporaryContent is gone whenever you change maps i think

If u want something temporary use that one

[uncut viper]

Iro can you load your assets piecemeal on demand

[gentle rose]

in that case, would it be better for me NOT to hold a hard reference to them, but load them from content each time? I’m not really sure if keeping a hard reference to them would mean they’re in memory twice

[gentle rose]

I already am! I’m just being extra cautious for potatoes

[ivory plume]

(Note that assets loaded through helper.ModContent instead of Game1.content aren't cached.)

[gentle rose]

oooo, interesting

[uncut viper]

Can you load them even piecemealer

[gentle rose]

so that does give me extra room to optimise by getting rid of hard references and letting gc do its thing every so often

[gentle rose]

not really, rn I’m loading the equivalent of a single portrait sheet each time

[ivory plume]

Depends on what you're doing with them. There's a tradeoff between the CPU/GPU performance impact of loading the textures each time vs the memory usage of caching them.

(Also note that it's far more expensive to load a dozen small textures, compared to one texture with a dozen sprites.)

[calm nebula]

Pathos, is that a draw context switching thing

Or do small textures take more vram

[gentle rose]

yeah, it definitely won’t be each time since this is an animation and would be hell

[lucid iron]

Iro what I usually do is I hold on to data assets, but load texture from content each time

[gentle rose]

I refuse to reload the same texture every 300ms potentially

[ivory plume]

There's just a lot of overhead involved in loading assets and creating textures (e.g. needing to reserve GPU time), beyond the actual reading/writing pixel bit. So if you split a texture into smaller pieces, you're multiplying that overhead.

[lucid iron]

I put it into a context record while I need it

And then toss the context once I don't need it anymore

[uncut viper]

(tbf I didn't realize iro was talking about images)

[lucid iron]

It's not like I'm calling content.Load every draw

[gentle rose]

yup, my question becomes how to define “when I need it” in this case. maybe I’ll just keep track of one npc’s portraits perscreen

[lucid iron]

For u and ur portraities not holding the ref once u change location seems reasonable enough to me

[gentle rose]

or that!

[lucid iron]

And you can see if u rather load all on map entry or on dialoguebox start

I dunno what's better for potatoes

[gentle rose]

not map entry. poor festivals

[lucid iron]

Hiding the load in black screen may be preferable to a lag everytime u talk

[gentle rose]

there shouldn’t really be any massive lag when you first talk to an individual npc if memory isn’t being eaten up for no reason I’m pretty sure. my potato has a stutter right AFTER the first dialogue load is done but it’s actually outside any of my patches so I have no idea what’s going on there

and my potato has weird stuttering in general

I’m willing to call that stutter a wash for now

but ty everyone, I’ll keep all these things in mind! hopefully I won’t release 32GB of RAM Required: The Mod

(mostly because my three computers together don’t have that much)

[lucid iron]

You can design ur content pack model to fall back to the base texture to encourage not using multiple smaller tx

That is also how building draw layers work

[gentle rose]

wdym?

[lucid iron]

In building draw layer if you have Texture: null

It'll just look at the base building texture

[gentle rose]

oh I already do that! haha

[lucid iron]

See mill

Yep gj

[gentle rose]

not even for efficiency reason, it was for practicality for animating overlays

[zenith sapphire]

Guys i have a question: It's possible to apply a rainbow effect to an item ? i mean the default rainbow effect of stardew valley, if yes how?

Otherwise i should use a spritesheet with different colors and animate it?

[fossil osprey]

What do you mean "the default rainbow effect"?

[brittle pasture]

probably something like the prismatic shirt/pants/hats

those are hardcoded to those items specifically (minor correction: not just those items, but only clothing can have that effect)

[zenith sapphire]

Oh then how i just animate an item? i wanted to animate some fishes

I already have the spritesheet of the fish

[brittle pasture]

look into spacecore’s texture override feature

[zenith sapphire]

this type of code is deprecated?

[brittle pasture]

that’s Content Patcher Animations which is sorta deprecated yes

SpaceCore’s animation feature is different

also where did you get that code from since that looks like CP syntax but those arent valid top level fields

oh wait CPA does have those fields, interesting

[zenith sapphire]

This was the 1.5 version of the NotYouAgain fish mod

I've used it as study but had to switch entirely my mod to 1.6 with the new fish spawn system

Still working on it i had like 700+ fishes added cause whenever I was bored i spent nights adding more fishes to Stardew Places xD

[brittle pasture]

yeah CPA technically still works but you’d need new syntax if you want to use SC’s version of the feature

[zenith sapphire]

Oh , i should check the CPA wiki, right?

[brittle pasture]

no, the spacecore docs

it’s a spacecore feature

[zenith sapphire]

Oh alright sorry , i will surely check it!

Hope it will be easy as it was in 1.5

[lucid iron]

You just have to target a particular asset

[hallow prism]

i have players that are annoyed to not see the normal products of animals past a certain point of friendship, usually for animals with eggs and another product.
What is the best solution between :

• trying to have an higher DeluxeProduceCareDivisor but hoping it's not too high that it's annoying
• having the normal egg as a potential deluxe product (i'm not too much of a fan because then it kinda defeat the deluxe product purpose)
• having the deluxe products having some GSQ so they are rarer
• else???

I don't believe i can have stack on animal products, right?

like, i can't have them produce 2 normal eggs as deluxe product?

[brittle pasture]

ducks and rabbits have very high care divisors to ensure that even at max friendship you still get egg/wool most of the time

other animals whose deluxe produce are just large versions have low divisors so you’ll just get the large version at max friendship

[lucid iron]

I wish there's like

Large milk to milk recipe

[brittle pasture]

from a balance (and a player’s, not that I play much nowadays 😛) perspective i definitely prefer the divisor route

[lucid iron]

Large milk is not even 2x the price of milk tho

[hallow prism]

hmm, divisor route involve math

[brittle pasture]

now if you want the regular produce to always drop and the deluxe produce to be a nice to have once in a while I have a certain mod that could help with that

I’ll just copy the wabbit/duck values tbh

[hallow prism]

hmm

[lucid iron]

Lumina if u just make a large to 2 of not large recipe then it's fine

[brittle pasture]

mr ape tested and certified

[lucid iron]

That's what vpp did for large sap anyways

[hallow prism]

maybe i can scope creep 1.7 into allowing stacks for animal products

i mean, it kinda makes sense for milk maybe, not really for eggs

[brittle pasture]

people are not really complaining they no longer get small chimken eggs right (unless they forgor to ship it for perfection)

[hallow prism]

no, they are complaining they don't get my animal eggs anymore

i don't know why, but it happened several time

[lucid iron]

Like too much feather?

[brittle pasture]

what’s your divisor value

[hallow prism]

default of 1200

[brittle pasture]

definitely too low

1200 is meant for if you want the deluxe produce to totally supercede the regular

[hallow prism]

i mean

i didn't see a problem in wanting that, but apparently it is!

and it is not really obvious what is the sweet spot of "between chicken and duck"

[brittle pasture]

ducks still drop eggs most of the time, and as someone who made a mod to make them drop eggs all of the time I see why ppl would be annoyed their egg layers just lay feathers all day now

[hallow prism]

ideally i'd like a "rare but reliable"

[brittle pasture]

according to the wiki, at max friendship, mood and luck ducks drop feather 42% of the time

[wraith bay]

I would like to request the mod author role please https://next.nexusmods.com/profile/JennaJuffuffles/mods

[brittle pasture]

you can do math™ to tweak that value down or up
you don’t need to care about the various variables, just assume max friendship/mood/luck since I’d that’s the average animal state

[hallow prism]

maybe with something along the lines of 3600 i can have something okish

i have yet another question

[calm nebula]

@outer glacier cheeto dust requested

[hallow prism]

wiki says that "DeluxeProduceLuckMultiplier" is of default 0

does it means it negates entirely the value of the dailyluck, or is the wiki formula wrong?

[brittle pasture]

yeah

[pine elbow]

i practic coding by reading it

[brittle pasture]

by default luck doesn’t affect deluxe produce chance

[hallow prism]

ok!

then the wiki formula on ducks and rabbit is wrong since they have a non 0 and non 1 modifier

[pine elbow]

my freind said to do that

[brittle pasture]

hmm
their luck modifier is 1.01 and 1.02 respectively, which is a rounding error away from 1 (aka just add daily luck)

[hallow prism]

then why not just make the value 1?

[brittle pasture]

wondering the same

[hallow prism]

(don't worry i just feel betrayed by game values, nothing against you)

wondering if it's worth having a non default chance here since daily luck doesn't seems to impact much

[pine elbow]

guys how do you get better at coding

[brittle pasture]

my (probably unhelpful) advice is simply practice and experience

doing online coding challenges help of course

(I’m assuming coding here means programming code)

[hallow prism]

thanks for the time explaining game code and game code trap, selph

and i will consider the optional dependency path

[pine elbow]

i do it by reading it

someone said that was a good idea

[calm nebula]

I become better at coding by being bad at coding for a long time

[pine elbow]

i know im just talking about practice ic ant type if i dont have an idea about what to type so i thought reading code first would be a good idea

[calm nebula]

I also spent a stupid amount of time reading blog posts, especially those by Microsoft

[pine elbow]

I don't know I'm just insecure about myself.

i dont know if its reading or writing since typing is 70 percent reading and thinking

[gaunt orbit]

Reading code has almost never helped me write better code. The only exception is when I see them use something I didn't know existed which solves my problem for me

Most of my learning is either practice or doing research on some specific thing

If you're totally new to coding, with zero experience, I would recommend something that covers the basic concepts of object oriented programming (boolean logic, control flow, types and methods, etc)

If you have the basic concepts down, that is usually enough to just start messing with stuff

[pine elbow]

well then ivve wasted alot of time i was reading stardews code to help me

[gaunt orbit]

Reading stardew's code is useful if you want to know where to hook in your own code

[pine elbow]

im just sad now

[lucid iron]

I think for hobby coding like mods just doing whatever it is you want is much better than reading

It's ok if it is jank at the start

[pine elbow]

i dont know how to practice coding ive watched a tutorial

[gentle rose]

it's also worth remembering that ca was not a professional dev himself when he started afaik, so there may be things in the stardew code that aren't actually best practice (not to mention decompile nonsense)

[gaunt orbit]

Practice by setting yourself a modest project goal and then making it. My go-to for learning a new language is writing a console dice-roller app

[pine elbow]

I'm just overwhelmed now

[gentle rose]

(in fact, most decompiles of stardew don't actually compile, someone has to go in and fix them until they do I believe)

[urban patrol]

the way i started learning coding for stardew was trying out a very simple concept (sending a reminder message to the HUD the day before the wedding) and then the helpful people in here walked me through it. you could come up with your own idea you want to implement and try that?

[hard fern]

wait they don't?

[pine elbow]

i belive reading through it would help me i dont really no how to write my own code the tutorial taught me alot about what it is but not

[gentle rose]

it's worth also remembering the other side of what I said though. ca wrote stardew valley without being a professional dev and while not knowing every tiny detail of best practice. we learn as we go, the only way to make something is to sit down and write it.

[gentle rose]

that's what I've been told, at least. never tried recompiling any of them ngl

[gaunt orbit]

Every blockbuster game that I've decompiled has had horrible messy code, because instead of trying to make it perfect they just made something that worked well enough

[pine elbow]

you know maybe i should stub code for a while- write my own code the first idea that comes to my head

[gentle rose]

I don't think I've ever written a substantial piece of code where I haven't learned something while writing it

[pine elbow]

but you do need to htink aobut what you want to code as well right

[gentle rose]

(right now what I'm learning is that NPC.checkAction is lightly cursed)

[gaunt orbit]

Terraria's code for example is almost entirely made of gigantic arrays and god methods

[gentle rose]

of course, but it doesn't have to be a good idea

you learn more from implementing something stupid than from sitting down trying to come up with something clever

I once made a mod that replaced every texture in the game with nic cage's face.

[lucid iron]

You can learn what ideas are Bad by having nexus users stress test your mod against 1000 long mod lists

[pine elbow]

okay thank you i thinking learning a beginner c sharp tutorial helped, and also learning from stardew tutorials

i wanted to and still do want to make a kaiju mod? why because giant mosnter are friggin awesome

[gaunt orbit]

cough me complaining about lookup anything cough

[gentle rose]

that was my first time dealing with the asset pipeline! it was really stupid! it was unpublishable!

every c# mod author has an arch nemesis mod

[pine elbow]

one more thing is it a crime to look things up youve forgotten in coding

[gaunt orbit]

No.

I read the msdn docs all the time

[gentle rose]

NPC.currentDialogue! that's what I was looking for

[lucid iron]

Imagine remembering stuff that intellisense can remember for me

[pine elbow]

what do you guys think of kaiju

[gentle rose]

I don't know a single dev who codes without a browser window open at all times for docs

[gaunt orbit]

Even before the internet programmers kept reference books on hand

[gentle rose]

trying to memorise this stuff doesn't actually benefit anyone

[pine elbow]

my one quesiton now is when you need a c sharp mod how the hell do you know what code from stardew to put in

[gaunt orbit]

90% of programming is not writing code, but figuring out what code to write

[pine elbow]

since decompiling is innacurate

[gaunt orbit]

that is what decompiling is for. Ilspy allows you to see where and how things are used, which you can use as a reference for hooking your own separate code

[gentle rose]

decompiling is still pretty accurate and reliable

it's just not perfect

[pine elbow]

okay then uhh so would i be eannoying for asking another question

[gaunt orbit]

Not at all

[gentle rose]

(wren, is hhd not open source?)

[gaunt orbit]

It is

It's on my github

There should be a link on the mod page

[gentle rose]

ah, I was looking at your mod page and got confused

[pine elbow]

okay so umm as a noob how do you look and see where and how things are used i thought for a long time that meant reading.

[gentle rose]

I don't think so? but I totally might have missed it

[gaunt orbit]

Did I forget to put one in

Oops

[pine elbow]

like i read about animaitons and shit

[gaunt orbit]

What we're saying is you can read the code to figure out where to hook, but you shouldn't use it to learn how to write your own separate code

Also, ilspy lets you right-click a method or object and find where else it is used or defined in the code

[pine elbow]

okay thank you for being patient

[mellow laurel]

hi I was hoping to request a mod author role https://next.nexusmods.com/profile/nancyxdrewx/mods

[gaunt orbit]

Make sure to add yourself on the wiki and ping a Junimo

[lucid iron]

@outer glacier

[gaunt orbit]

Well, not now that chu has pinged them

[pine elbow]

is their a way to figure out what code you need to read at what moments or do you just go their when you need to like when i need to learn about animations i go their

[gentle rose]

most of the time if you knew exactly what you needed to read you wouldn't really need to read it tbh. You just kind of start by looking at related stuff until you find what you're looking for

[gaunt orbit]

Usually the process is something like

• I want to do thing
• game does thing, or thing involves some game element
• look at whatever that game element is until I find something related to thing
• experiment with that bit to see if I can make thing happen

[gentle rose]

for example, I was looking for how to tell if an npc has more dialogue a few minutes ago, so I went to the NPC class and skimmed through the checkAction method (that's what handles interacting with things) until I found it

because I knew that there would have to be a way for the game to know if it should show you dialogue

[gaunt orbit]

Like, if I wanted to spawn a fruit tree when a key is pressed, I know that saplings spawn fruit trees when planted, so I would look at object and find where it references fruit trees

[pine elbow]

thank you for being patient you all looked at some of the stardew wikis modding tutorial right

[gaunt orbit]

And then I'd see that it just has a constructor that accepts an item id, and I'd call that constructor myself

[pine elbow]

because i used one to make my basic avocado mod

[mellow laurel]

question: should I edit the wiki now or wait for bouncer to dm

[gentle rose]

I'd wait for bouncer just in case I think?

[mellow laurel]

okay thanks 🙂

[lucid iron]

make sure u have dms on

[brittle pasture]

(I think the dustening just happens here now?)

(or did I severely misremember)

[hard fern]

the dustening...

[gentle rose]

it can go either way

[soft lance]

Hey everyone

What do you prefer for a pirate fish? Do you prefer the hook or the tail?

Or if you have a better idea, let me know

[somber niche]

have you thought of an anchor tail

[pine elbow]

you guys use tutorials

[soft lance]

there are tutorials for the art? 😭 i just use pixlr online..all manual (thats why my fishies take forever)

[pine elbow]

i mean for like making basic mods

[soft lance]

ohh, no I don't, I read the documentation online...for a game like stardew, it's costly to make a mistake with AI, and the tutorials for fish run up very dry on youtube

[gentle rose]

I don't think anyone was mentioning ai?

[pine elbow]

im just asking if people have ever used a tutorial for making a mod

btw your fish looks fantastic

[zenith sapphire]

Guys i know it sounds silly but i tried to look into the github wiki of Spacecore but i dont know what I'm supposed to look for TextureOverride, i tried to look into the Animate SVE fishes mod and i found this: But I'm not sure if this way to do things it's enough , I'm confused

[soft lance]

no but lot of people use it for coding nowadays, I deal with them vibe coders a lot lol..

[soft lance]

mm not me but I think the best is to learn from other mods, unzip and see how they implement

[somber niche]

wasn't the tea app that got leaked made via vibe coding

[soft lance]

if u want fish then look for very small fish mods like that new goldfish one has like 9 fish, they did an alright attempt at implementing fish very easily

for other stuff idk

[soft lance]

practically, database was fully visible, publically accessible

im shocked it wasnt discovered on day 0

[soft lance]

aw ty

[lucid mulch]

Their release date was too early to have likely been vibe coded, theres plenty of insecure systems written by humans

[pine elbow]

learn from other mods?

so you look through other mods code

[soft lance]

Mods are by default open source (at least 90% of them), while you can't use their code for yourself, you can learn from them on how they implemented certain food, fish, recipes, mechanics, etc

as well as documentation

[pine elbow]

oh okay

i have alot to do

for modding a building i was just looking at the building tutorial on the wiki but i can look at other mods as well

[soft lance]

Can't do an anchor that's really detailed sadly, this is another option of a larger hook..sadly I am not skilled enough to pull it off in a 16x16 lol

[gentle rose]

this is not how open source works. You can use open source code (depending on the license, you may need to make your own code open source too), and nowhere near 90% of mods are open source because the default is always ARR.

the latest mod dump stats estimate around 63% of c# mods are open source.

[soft lance]

Exactly, as I said, you cannot use their code, when I said open source, I meant viewable. All mods should have their source code fully public, and most do, the ones with oddly suspicious .dll's that cannot be viewed or authorized by Nexus or any other publishers should not be there in the first place. I come from mainly Skyrim modding, and most or if not all code is viewable, but you cannot use their code, and I already stated that

[gentle rose]

viewable = source available. open source is a different thing.