making-mods-general

[gray bear]

[obtuse wigeon]

magic select area around bench > right click invert selection > feather by 2 ish pixels >make new layer draw in a dark gray >set opacity to 50% that tends to be what I do for shadows

that way you don't have to match the shadow to the floor

[gray bear]

u can't right click invert in aepsirte but ty

or feather

alright photoshop time

[obtuse wigeon]

Ohh you use asprite gotcha, I gave up with it ngl, it was so different to photoshop I was WAY out of my comfort zone

[vital lotus]

Invert is def a thing in aseprite, i used it but can't recall the shortcut

[gray bear]

it's a thing, feather is not

in asperite

menu says ctrl+shift+i

[vital lotus]

Ah yeah, feather not there...

Sorry for ping earlier, i mis tap but alr sent

[gray bear]

can also do that

it that shadow too bright

[obtuse wigeon]

I think a tad darker

maybe like 10% darker

[gray bear]

50% is a lot

60

[obtuse wigeon]

I'll grab the my colour pallette values I use

[gray bear]

why, why did the bench change color between screenshots

it's the same color?!

[obtuse wigeon]

It looks exactly the same to me

[vital lotus]

Looks the same on my end too

[gray bear]

when i look at both it looks the same

but when i look at them one by one it doesn;t

i might be going crazy

[obtuse wigeon]

for dark shadows I use #2f3030 and for light shadows I use #3d3e3e, then 50% opacity the shadow layer

[nimble marlin]

thank you so much!
yeah, I did a small edit to the plate sprite - removed the square border it had for the cooking menu interface. if that could be done in LOC side then it would be amazing ^^

[gray bear]

oh yeah i like that

should the shadow color change in winter

[vernal crest]

I am so manual when it comes to pixel art. I use the brush, paint bucket tool, select tool, and eraser. And that's...it.

[obtuse wigeon]

Usually same here, although I've been using a colour replacer script more and more so I don't have to do so many versions

[vernal crest]

I do not do things that require versions but if I did I'd use Lina's recolour tool

[gray bear]

i copy n paste a lot

[obtuse wigeon]

theres a recolour tool already...? I seem to spend most of my time making tools someone has already made

[obtuse wigeon]

Turns out that does exactly the same thing as mine except mine runs locally and uses a lot more of the commands line (and is currently very broken)

[vernal crest]

Haha maybe in future you should ask us first just in case, if you want to avoid the work (though I understand that sometimes making your own thing is still what you wanna do).

Relatedly, do you have any interest in joining Stardew Modmaker Community? We're a smaller server more dedicated to modmaking (though we don't exclude mod users who want to join).

[obtuse wigeon]

It was a pretty quick thing to do really, Thankfully I love python and am semi decent at it

[obtuse wigeon]

Oh that would be quite cool actually! I'd gladly join

[gray bear]

i wonder if i could use the recolor tool for my craftables retex but like,,, i think it'll take less time to do manually

[vernal crest]

Do you mind if I DM you the invite? I'll get put in gay baby jail if I put it in here.

[obtuse wigeon]

Bahah feel free too, I'm always open to DMs (advertising it in my bio tends to illicit many spam messages though)

[gray bear]

i know there was a way to select more than one tile in tiled and have it paste the way it is... unsure how to make it happen

[vernal crest]

Selecting from the tilesheet? You should just be able to select them like you have

[gray bear]

i mean like, if i select this entire silo from the map, and it lets me place the entire thing instead of one on the map
sorry if i'm explaining badly

[vernal crest]

Yeah

And that's not happening with your bench?

[gray bear]

nope, not with other tilesheets either

[vernal crest]

I have never encountered that

So if you select a bunch from paths it only shows one on the map as well?

[gray bear]

yep

ok i have, been on "random" mode apeart

do not click these dice

they r evil

[vernal crest]

Haha oh dear

[obtuse wigeon]

Theres been so many times that the random button has been enabled, it seems to enable by itself at times (or I'm pressing a hot key I don't know about)

[tiny zealot]

i also made my own (in C), but it works the way i work (insane) so i never tried to make it nicer for others to use /lh

[gray bear]

bald spot summit

or, is it like wet? who knows

don't talk to me about the fucked grass i'll,,, do something

[mild furnace]

Does it literally just stream in pixel data and map it, or is it diffing

[obtuse wigeon]

Exactly the same here, it's a mish mash of I think 7 different librarys (of which I only need like 3) and breaks more often then works but it has nice little features that are specific to me

[tiny zealot]

libpng and a sidecar text file for palettes https://github.com/ichortower/HatMouseLacey/blob/main/source/tint.c

[gentle rose]

the way I do pixel art, I may as well do it in tiled

[calm nebula]

I do pixel art approximately the same way I juggle flaming bottles.

Ie, not well, and with a lot of screaming

[obtuse wigeon]

I did just that for buildings and it works suprisingly well

[tender bloom]

I’m glad you don’t let me take the flaming bottles

I’m also no good at those, even though I’m happy to slip you some pixel art

[tiny zealot]

i can juggle, but basic bitch level only (three balloids)

[gray bear]

if i keep looking at this

i will change it forever

pls help

[dusky sail]

maybe this means you need to take a break and take a step back

[gentle rose]

I meant using 1x1px tiles

[twilit quest]

Very helpful! Thank you ^_^

[twilit quest]

Hey, I just got up, but I've done a lot of map making, and my last map was against a panorama like this. Maybe I can help. What are you trying to do?

[vernal crest]

I think the help Bea is after is to make them stop changing the map lol

[lucid iron]

Yes

[twilit quest]

Hehehe. Okay, I've been there

[lucid iron]

Man this reminds me

[gray bear]

i struggle™

[lucid iron]

I need to bonk the cloud critters

[gray bear]

i am gonna make the top bit wider and be done cause like, i think it's good. who knows

bonk the clouds?

[twilit quest]

Having dealt with Scope Creep™ on several of my mods, I sympathize.

[gray bear]

i just wanted to make the summit more green

[twilit quest]

An understandable desire

[vernal crest]

(Bea requests no pings on reply btw glymr)

[lucid iron]

So you know how cloud shadows are critters

I need to make them not move into the sky panorama box basically

Bonk them.

[gray bear]

i did not know this chu

[obtuse wigeon]

is a 180 by 200 map too big for a quite large town? I'm planning on making a few areas of a city but seperated into different districts

[twilit quest]

Oh! Gotcha, thank you, I missed that. Sorry, Bea ^_^; I always mess up when I try to Discord too early in the morning XD

[lucid iron]

Oh well now u do

[gray bear]

the clouds are alive

[obtuse wigeon]

wait... what? clouds = very large critters in the code? that both mildy horrifying yet very resourceful

[vernal crest]

That is a pretty big map

Going to take NPCs half the day to walk across

[obtuse wigeon]

Hmm good point

didn't take into account npc seed

[lucid iron]

Glymr would u like some 🌄

[obtuse wigeon]

speed*

[twilit quest]

From what people have said in comments on other large-scale additions, they get frustrated having to cross a lot of empty space

[gray bear]

i too want sunrise

[twilit quest]

Sun's coming up. It's 6:43am here

[lucid iron]

Sharogg made some panorama resources lately

Using the mmap thingy

[twilit quest]

I am excited to try those

[obtuse wigeon]

I do too, that's why I plan on having bus (or tram) stations across different parts bc I know it will a pain to move across

My goal is that the player can get from anywhere to anywhere else in no more than an ingame hour

[gray bear]

when the sun hits ur eye, like a big pizza pie

[obtuse wigeon]

and that's just for the out of the way places

[lucid iron]

You gotta be mindful of ppl with potatoes

[obtuse wigeon]

Thats another thing I was going to ask about, how performance intensive are large maps? I intend to use a lot of fake npcs so that the game doesn't have to run the schedules for everyone, similar to how downtown zuzu has fake npcs

and I was going to test it on my laptop, which has the computer power of 3 lemons taped together

[brittle ledge]

Do we still have loading/performance issues with maps over 150x150 or did 1.6 fix that?

[brittle ledge]

Quite. DTZ is one of the heftier performance mods out there, partly because of the maps.

[lucid iron]

It scales linearly with number of obj on the map too

[brittle ledge]

(For reference btw, I think Ridgeside 's main map is something like 145x146)

[obtuse wigeon]

objects as in things that aren't in the map file itself?

[obtuse wigeon]

Gotcha okay, I shall 50% down size, and split it into a more loading screen district based ordeal

[twilit quest]

I think that's a good idea

[inland rain]

https://youtu.be/POCUI6E-p50 almost ready!

[brittle ledge]

Also, one complaint I hear about DTZ (and I've heard it about other large maps too) is that it's too empty, so I would focus less on the map size and more on filling it.

Definitely load the map to game and run around it to see if it feels too open or cramped.

[obtuse wigeon]

I'm so hyped for the open world!

[inland rain]

yeah, don't use big locations, that's bad 😇

[brittle ledge]

Speaking of large maps How's it running for you? (do you still go by Lucy/Erinthe btw or do you prefer aedenthorn?)

[inland rain]

I definitely don't go by aedenthorn, that was originally an alias bc I didn't want to associate myself with modding lol

[obtuse wigeon]

The emptyness is also something I find a bit meh, that's why I've split it up into seperate sections so I can fill out parts as I go

[inland rain]

it's running fine! still a small hiccup when you move across chunk boundaries

idk if I can fix that

[lucid iron]

Is it alright if we call you erin then

[inland rain]

without somehow enabling async

I do go by erin

i think you can see the stutter in the video

[gray bear]

is yer map running

[lucid iron]

Now you just need to bring back multiple map layers

So we can dig down and fall into lava

[gray bear]

i am starting to enjoy the funky shapes. anyone got any notes

[inland rain]

oh that reminds of the idea of fog of war

[obtuse wigeon]

Whens procedural cave system gen being made? gotta find diamonds some how

[gray bear]

[lucid iron]

Make the dirt funky too

[gray bear]

i funked it up a bit

i think

i should just stop copying code

[hard fern]

i had plans for Big Map but i ended up breaking it up into a few like, 80x80 maps that are hopefully not too performance intensive...

at least, my laptop can run it just fine so far

🤔 i'll see about installing warp points between maps though so it's easier to get around

[obtuse wigeon]

I'm sort of basing mine off cities that I've been too, and trams seem to be a common method of travel, and given buses and trains are used already I figured why not

[hard fern]

what is a tram...
<-american

[obtuse wigeon]

A bus on rails, but unlike a train it's in the street

think of san fran in movies

Cable car is the american name after a quick google

oh wait no that is specifically for cabled cars, but basically that but electric

[brittle ledge]

You can use the minecart system since it's dehardcoded, or you could do Central Station (or both) for trains!

[brittle ledge]

We call the ones in San Fran trolleys generally, I believe

[gray bear]

transport

[lucid iron]

Do horse

[brittle ledge]

That's in Pennsylvania

[gray bear]

uhh

tiled hates me as usual

im loading my tilesheets

wtf

log incoming

json: https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/db0ef061b0954f7bb834a5bfb2697e55
log: https://smapi.io/log/23e1e566a6ae446c9f773134e661a690

[obtuse wigeon]

I was going to use central station to get from the valley to the new place, then basically highjack the minecart system or similar to only show locations in the city for the trams/trolleys, I haven't actually fully looked at the central station mod docs if there is any, probably best I go do that

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.3.2 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.26100.0, with 22 C# mods and 6 content packs.

[gray bear]

for why

oh wait,,, i need to put it in the map

uhhh

[obtuse wigeon]

You directory climed, add the tilesheet into the same folder as the map then use the action load to load it to the same place I believe? I don't know if I explained that the right way

[gray bear]

pain nd suffering

CP hates folders

[brittle ledge]

Visit Mount Vapius uses both if you need an example!

Bea, button has a tool to fix map climbing

[obtuse wigeon]

Visit Mount Vapius has been a reference to quite a few of my mods so far, it's great!

[gray bear]

uhh i lost the link

there be a tree

i did not put a tree there

[brittle ledge]

Is that a wild tree? They can spread now iirc

[obtuse wigeon]

Check paths to see if tree is there which might be the cause

[gray bear]

oh no. can i stop them from spreading?

oh wait. i did tree there. lemme uh

[vital lotus]

wait, wild tree spreads outside of farm now?

[gray bear]

tis is not good tree spot

nope it was my older edit

[brittle ledge]

Not sure about locational stuff, but palm trees can now spread like wild trees iirc

[obtuse wigeon]

they can in the forest and I think mountain, but no where near the speed of the farm (It may have been a mod changing that though)

[gray bear]

farmer is tree

[vernal crest]

Bea use iro's plugin to avoid tilesheet climbing

[gray bear]

i found the feedback thread, where is the plugin

oh wait iz the file okay i uhhh

[vernal crest]

You want the file that's pinned

[obtuse wigeon]

Ye the tilesheetinator.js is the right file

[vernal crest]

The "a fix for the fix" one

[gray bear]

got it. thx

[obtuse wigeon]

I've just read through the Central Station docs and it's fantastic! I was expecting a lot more hassle to add custom locations

[devout otter]

So Central Station's tourist.json has something like this right. { "Action": "EditData", "Target": "Mods/{{MainModId}}/Tourists", "Entries": { "{{MainModId}}": { "FromMap": "{{InternalAssetKey: assets/maps/tourists.tmx}}", "Tourists": { "YoungBoy": { "Index": 0, "Dialogue": [ "{{i18n: tourist.young-boy.1}}", "{{i18n: tourist.young-boy.2}}", "{{i18n: tourist.young-boy.3}}" ] }, } } } }

Now hypothetically, if I want to do a TextOperations on just that first line of dialogue, is that possible?

[tiny zealot]

you should be able to TargetField your way to it, but forgive me for not remembering the incantation exactly

[obtuse wigeon]

It doesn't say no so I shall say Yes*

[gray bear]

ok tilesheet shit solved

but uh...

i cannot sit

[obtuse wigeon]

You need the sit tile property I think?

[gray bear]

it's also on buildings so idk why i can walk voer it

[obtuse wigeon]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Maps#Sitting_on_non-furniture_chairs

[tiny zealot]

something like "TargetField": ["{{MainModId}}", "Tourists", "YoungBoy", "Dialogue", "#0"] (sub in the mod id yourself, of course)

[vernal crest]

Yes you will need to make it sittable yourself because you're not using a vanilla tilesheet

Is it on Buildings or is it on Buildings1 or some other numbered layer?

[gray bear]

oh it's on buildings1 . i guess you can't more than one buildings layer?

[obtuse wigeon]

You can, but properties only apply on Buildings

well, layers tht aren't suffixed

[vernal crest]

Yup, same for all of the numbered layers. The numbers are only for draw order.

[gray bear]

i see

[vernal crest]

You only really need numbered layers when you want to layer a whole bunch of stuff on one tile, like putting several clutter items on a counter.

[devout otter]

Yep, that does it. Thanks!

I actually almost had it. I was missing the #. 😅

[gray bear]

[oblique meadow]

Im sorry for the dumb question but I cant find it specifically documented. How can I take this and Add an "Or" to it

"When": {"HasFlag: CurrentPlayer": "{{ModId}}_GHOrchard"}

[gray bear]

ok i am, confused about the advanced sit edit i am reading the wiki page i'm just, h

[obtuse wigeon]

I don't know if this will work or not but you can try it: "HasFlag:CurrentPlayer |contains={{ModId}}_<OtherThing>": true,

so it would be (I think):

"When": {
"HasFlag: CurrentPlayer": "{{ModId}}_GHOrchard",
"HasFlag:CurrentPlayer |contains={{ModId}}_<OtherThing>": true
} 

[oblique meadow]

I'll give that a shot and massage it if its not exactly. Thank you! I just needed a nudge

[obtuse wigeon]

What have you got so far Bea? I might be able to help

[gray bear]

nothing~ i don't even know which type of propety to add

[vernal crest]

You don;t

[obtuse wigeon]

(also just for clarification, the "Don't @" in your display name, does that mean don't use the discord reply feature, or just don't ping in reply?)

[vernal crest]

It's an EditData patch in CP to the ChairTiles asset

[obtuse wigeon]

I believe you EditD... you beat me to it aba

[vernal crest]

Based on the tilesheet, not the map

[gray bear]

it's a case by case basis, you can if i'm not answering so i see it

[gray bear]

:o

i see

[obtuse wigeon]

Gotcha, I shall keep that in mind, thank you!

[vernal crest]

You can always reply to them though Atlas, just don't always ping on reply

[obtuse wigeon]

I'm just never sure with the ping and not ping reply, I never noticed it pinged before chu pointed it out to me

[gray bear]

i do in fact hate ping replies more than regular ones. but some people spam

[hard fern]

im more annoyed when the person doesn't just reply to me and instead @'s me after every message

[vernal crest]

More than regular pings or regular replies? (I would argue that ping on reply is the regular reply because it's the default)

[gray bear]

do i... target Data/Chairtiles

more than regular pings i meant

[vernal crest]

By the way Bea here is an example of a patch editing Data/ChairTiles

{
  "LogName": "Add ChairTiles for custom tilesheets",
  "Action": "EditData",
  "Target": "Data/ChairTiles",
  "Entries": {
    "aba_national_park_tilesheet/8/0": "1/2/left/custom 0 0.1 0/-1/-1/false",
    "aba_national_park_tilesheet/0/0": "1/2/right/custom 0 0.1 0/-1/-1/false",
    "aba_national_park_tilesheet/24/5": "1/1/down/custom 0 0.5 0/-1/-1/false"
  }
},

[gray bear]

thank you

[hard fern]

(im lurking so i can absorb the chair info... my chairs are Not Sittable rn)

[obtuse wigeon]

Oh ye @ing me in the message rather than as a reply can be quite annoying, due to the fact I used the ping as a way to easily trace back the convo

[vernal crest]

I also prefer replies (and, unlike Bea and Airyn, prefer to always be pinged in them)

[gray bear]

is up when the farmer is with his back to camera

[obtuse wigeon]

Yes

[gray bear]

tilesheet asset name...

i have 4

[obtuse wigeon]

Now that I have two monitors replying with a ping isn't as necissary, but when I was juggling 5 differet file exporer windows, photoshop, stardew, and vscode, it got very confusing

[gray bear]

can i put {{season}}_SummitBench_Edit

[obtuse wigeon]

I think you'll have to have seperate entries for each tilesheet?

token may work actually

[vernal crest]

From looking at vanilla, you only need spring

(Always look at vanilla)

[obtuse wigeon]

oh wait no I don't think tokens will work in the asset name, but given they're prefixed with the seasons themselves I think they'll work

I forget that doing this with content patcher is almost identical to how vanilla does it

[blissful panther]

We thank 1.6 for things like that.

[vernal crest]

I get very confused sometimes when people come in here with pre-1.6 stuff

[obtuse wigeon]

The Great De-Hardcoding is one of my favorite things about 1.6

[gray bear]

[stares at code]

[vernal crest]

Like Quinnzell with the location data that was just a slash-delimited string per location

[gray bear]

i am

getting there, it seems

[vernal crest]

I am looking forward to being able to use periods in the asset name as of .16 so I can have properly prefixed tilesheets

[gray bear]

or not

[vernal crest]

Find the vanilla entry for that bench and copy it, I suggest

[gray bear]

farmer this isn't how u sit

[ornate locust]

You have it three wide, I'm not sure that works

[gray bear]

large bench

[ornate locust]

You need to make each tile sittable separately

[vernal crest]

Nope

[ornate locust]

well, you can try it and see if it works. That's how the examples I was looking at worked

[vernal crest]

Vanilla has 3 wide

[gray bear]

uhh would the vanilla one be in chairtiles

[vernal crest]

Yes

[ornate locust]

If that's not it, then you're just missing the draw tiles

[gray bear]

must be himb

[vernal crest]

(Sorry, that was rather abrupt of me Midnight. Didn't mean to be.)

[ornate locust]

No it's cool, I'd rather people have right information!

You probably just need draw tiles, they're what makes it look like part of the chair is between them and the camera

[gray bear]

wait why is it down ,

[vernal crest]

I've spent quite a bit of time poking around ChairTiles because I spent aaaaaaages struggling to get mine to work because they don't accept periods in the names

Because you sit on it facing down in vanilla, presumably?

[gray bear]

wrong chair!!!

two of em

[vernal crest]

Oh yeah the right one is up

(You should be crossreferencing against the tilesheet and its coordinates, are you?)

[gray bear]

oh... the sprite changes when i sit

[gray bear]

(my tilesheet?)

[ornate locust]

or the draw tiles are at the wrong position or something. Usually if you're "in front of" the bench, it's a draw tile problem

[vernal crest]

No, the vanilla ones to make sure you're copying the ChairTiles data from a bench that actually looks like yours

[gray bear]

ooh

[vernal crest]

And not, say, a picnic table instead or something

[gray bear]

alright lemme fix that

yeh im using the vanilla map info

[ornate locust]

well the draw tiles work, they just aren't the ones that match your bench. Getting there!

[obtuse wigeon]

Where are the Ice tiles stored that can be seen in game? I can't seem to see them in the outdoors or town tilesheets

[vernal crest]

Ice?

[ornate locust]

I'd think in a winter tileset somewhere

[obtuse wigeon]

In some events and festivals they use ice to replace the water tiles

[vernal crest]

(Possibly related: if you know what map the tiles show up on, you can open that map in Tiled and find them on the tilesheet by right-clicking on the map tile.)

Ah like the ice fishing one

[ornate locust]

Check the Festivals one

[obtuse wigeon]

Unfortunatly I don't know ehat map the tiles show on either I just know they exist, but the ice fishing sounds right

[vernal crest]

Yup looks like Festivals

[ornate locust]

I think it's in there

[obtuse wigeon]

Yep, perfect, thank you!

[gray bear]

[ornate locust]

I must have miscounted mine a hundred times, but you can just fix it by setting them to the right coordinates. One question, are they on a custom tilesheet? Because IIRC I had to designate the tilesheet when I did this, so it didn't look 100% like the vanilla examples

[gray bear]

custom yes

[ornate locust]

Aha

"MidnightsMisc/0/3": "1/1/up/highback_chair/0/5/false/Maps\\MidnightsMisc",

Here's one of mine. The end is the asset name for my tilesheet, with two \ as a separator

make sure the x/y coords are right for your draw tiles (mine there are 0/5)

[gray bear]

im confused on how to find the draw tiles. do i use debug mode

[vernal crest]

You have to draw them

[ornate locust]

If it's a custom tilesheet, you have to make them. They're basically just your bench but with no shadow

[gray bear]

o h

[ornate locust]

(if you just use the bench ones, the shadow will double)

Or for a couch, it'd be just the arm/bottom of the couch. It's whatever you want to show between your camera and your character

[vernal crest]

I have not used draw tiles so Midnight is the knowledgeable one here

[ornate locust]

When you sit down, it overlays the draw tile on the top layer

giving the illusion of ~depth~

[vernal crest]

(If you set to -1/-1 it does no draw tiles)

[obtuse wigeon]

(I also don't know draw tiles however I need to learn for my furniture mod)

[ornate locust]

The worst part of draw tiles is just the counting

kept being one tile off

[gray bear]

i can't count

2/6 seems to do the trick but it changes the texture

[vernal crest]

For me it is the fact that the draw tiles are not on the same tilesheet by default

[ornate locust]

That's because you have not made draw tiles

It is overlaying the original bench's draw tiles

[vernal crest]

Yes it changes the texture because it's using TileSheets/ChairTiles

[ornate locust]

You need to make your own, just remove the shadow from the bench to do it. And then refer to the location of those on your tilesheet

"MidnightsMisc/0/3": "1/1/up/highback_chair/0/5/false/Maps\\MidnightsMisc",
again, mine here are on 0/5. And you have to add that bit at the end that points to your own tilesheets's asset. (not the path on your computer, the asset location)

[gray bear]

make another tilesheet?
i am sorry, all of this is going over my ehad

[ornate locust]

Make your own draw tiles

[obtuse wigeon]

(How badly does the game break if I don't align tiles to the grid?)

[ornate locust]

Just copy your bench and erase the shadow from it, that's your draw tiles

[hard fern]

.> hi.... i want to make my chair sittable too....

[ornate locust]

don't do that

It'll move your data a full tile over

[gray bear]

???

[obtuse wigeon]

Ohhh okay so it will break very much gotcha

[ornate locust]

Copy that and erase the translucent shadow under it, yes. And that will be your draw tiles.

[hard fern]

i once accidentally shifted my objects layer off by one and that made it impossible for my door to function no matter how hard i tried

[ornate locust]

It probably did function, just a full square away you couldn't reach LOL

[gray bear]

do i need the draw tiles for every variation?

[obtuse wigeon]

Oh ye no that is not good for a city, damn you CA why didn't you include a nice stone wall texture in the maps!

[hard fern]

the door was on tile like 3 10 but the tiledata for the door on 3 11 so they would never line up 😔

[gray bear]

it work! i don't think my shadow is doubling? thonk

[vernal crest]

Button actually did an experiment and found exactly in which way the object will shift depending on which way it's off grid

[ornate locust]

That;s why I said to erase the shadow from the draw tiles

[gray bear]

is it doubling,,, i dun see

[vernal crest]

It is doubling

[ornate locust]

It is literally drawing your draw tiles on top of you. Since they both have a shadow, it will double

[hard fern]

it does look like it's doubling yes

[vernal crest]

Meaning it's getting more opaque

Not larger in pixels

[gray bear]

ok so i'll need to load the draw tiles, right

[ornate locust]

that's why they're called draw tiles, it just draws them on top of things

[obtuse wigeon]

Oh that is pretty cool! not useful in my case but I love little experiments like that

[vernal crest]

No, just copy your bench over to the right on the tilesheet it's already on and then erase the shadow from the second one

[gray bear]

birb,,,

[vernal crest]

You do not need another file

[gray bear]

OH

[ornate locust]

ye

Then you just change the coordinates for the draw tiles to the copied bench with the shadow erased

[vernal crest]

I don't know if it's useful in any case lol she was just curious but it did not replace the standard advice of "just snap to grid yo"

[gray bear]

sorry for being so slow

[vernal crest]

Yup that's it

[gray bear]

so that's,,, 04 okie

[ornate locust]

Perfect

[gray bear]

thanks for bearing with me Aba and Midnight

[ornate locust]

I don't mind using the information I gained in the draw tile mines

[vernal crest]

And I have now learned how these draw tiles work for future

[ornate locust]

If the seat is tall enough, like a couch, you may only need the top part of the couch as a draw tile. And that's great, because without a shadow to worry about, you can just use the top couch tile

[gray bear]

im starting to understand why CA just put a floor under that bench

[vernal crest]

Actually, does this bench even need draw tiles?

[ornate locust]

this is for general reference, since people were learning about couch tiles

Yes

[vernal crest]

Oh yes nevermind

[ornate locust]

That's why this happened. not referencing them

[gray bear]

yeehaw

[ornate locust]

if a seat covers any of you, that needs to be on a draw tile

[vernal crest]

You could fix that just by changing the seat type

And make it a flat bench (which is what it looks like to my eyes)

[gray bear]

seat type is bench

[vernal crest]

(Not saying you should, just that if, like me, you thought "actually I want the farmer to sit on the swirly bits" you could do that)

[ornate locust]

like this couch, you just need the top of it as a draw tile. Since there's no shadow, I just used the couch top as its own draw tile

[gray bear]

can i remove the legs for the bench? or just keep it as is

[ornate locust]

but from the side, all I needed was the arm, since it's the only thing that covers you

[gray bear]

okay it's not 04 i experiment

[ornate locust]

It's 0/3 I think?

[hard fern]

😔 is there any way to fix the chair tiles draw layer flipping if you flip the chair in a map or should i just take the L

[ornate locust]

Starts at 0 and it's 3 tiles

I made that mistake CONSTANTLY

[gray bear]

counting

[ornate locust]

Okay so the thing that's happening to you, it's why I made my entire mod LOL

[gray bear]

sad

[ornate locust]

because the couch I am showing you is a vanilla couch that normally faces right. I made ones from other angles because flipping it in Tiled does not flip chair tiles

[gray bear]

game pls i have the draw tiles

[obtuse wigeon]

I also get confused about the index starting at 0, after learning both python which starts at 0 and lua which starts a 1 it gets mighty confusing

[ornate locust]

Can you show us your current code?

[gray bear]

            "LogName": "Add ChairTiles for custom tilesheets",
            "Action": "EditData",
            "Target": "Data/ChairTiles",
            "Entries": {
                "spring_SummitBench_Edit/0/0": "3/1/up/bench/0/3/false/Maps\\spring_SummitBench_Edit",
            }
        },```

i can give whole json if needed

dunno about this seasonal thing, assuming it's like if i put them all into one tilesheet

[ornate locust]

Okay so you need "true" instead of false

[gray bear]

oh

🤡

[ornate locust]

Because that true/false bit is telling it you're seasonal

I don't think that's related to your draw tile issues, but that's what that bit is for

[gray bear]

no we have lines

screw you chair tiles!!!

why do u hate me

[ornate locust]

Hmm. hang on let me pull out the documentation...

[vernal crest]

Why would it be 0? It's based on tilesheet coordinates

It's going to be 4/0

No sorry, 3/0

[ornate locust]

No you're right, it's 3/0 not 0/3

I should not be trusted around numbers

[vernal crest]

4 tiles on the X coord, 0 on the Y

[gray bear]

me neither

[vernal crest]

Do you follow why that is, Bea?

[hard fern]

😔 ok so my chair won't sit. but i also have 900 other things wrong with my map so one sec

[gray bear]

i believe so

[vernal crest]

Do your tilesheets have your mod ID in their name Forsy?

[ornate locust]

You just have to make a mirrored one on your tilesheet with the right sitting data and a mirrored draw tile, if you're making custom chairs

[vernal crest]

* if your chair needs draw tiles

[hard fern]

...my tilesheets do not have my mod ID in them. should they?

[gray bear]

are u sure i need seasonal true

[vernal crest]

Well, yes, they should, but also no.

[hard fern]

it's the same kind of chair as the town benches

so i dont need to draw anything i dont think

[ornate locust]

I am not, make it false

[vernal crest]

They should because everything that isn't internal to your mod should be prefixed with your mod id. Buuuut in the case of tilesheets, there's a bug that means that they can't have periods in the name or the chairtiles break.

[ornate locust]

I have found Documentation, it's for when all the draw tiles are on the same sheet and labeled a little misleadingly

[hard fern]

"Memoria_Furniture01/80/176": "3/1/down/bench/-1/-1/false" can you tell i just copied the bench, and i want these three tiles to be sittable...

[gray bear]

yeah i figured as much

[ornate locust]

Nothing goes between your character and the camera, no draw tiles needed

[gray bear]

ok so, my shadow is gone. i think tis cause i enlarged the tilesheet

wait no, why does it do that

[hard fern]

so should i remove that part? 🤔

[vernal crest]

Is that tilesheet loaded as Maps/Memoria_Furniture01?

[hard fern]

yes

[ornate locust]

Nah that looks fine to me, -1/-1 means no draw tiles

[vernal crest]

No Forsy you have it written correctly for not having draw tiles

[gray bear]

oh the map

[vernal crest]

Most likely culprit if your tilesheet name is correct is that you've miscounted your tiles

[gray bear]

i believe its this

i used the first 3

lemme

[vernal crest]

Is your tilesheet actually at least 1,280px wide and 2,816px tall?

[ornate locust]

Yeah change your map tiles to use the shadowed ones

looks like it shifted when you made it bigger

[hard fern]

er

[gray bear]

inchresting

[hard fern]

it's this big

[vernal crest]

Okay so you have listed your coordinates wrong

Did you put pixel coords?

They need to be tile coords

[hard fern]

ah

i see..

[ornate locust]

that got me too

[hard fern]

like tile coords on my map? or

[vernal crest]

(Very easy to get without counting, just make sure you have your grid turned on)

[gray bear]

it's, not sittable

[vernal crest]

No, tile coords as in split your tilesheet up into 16x16px squares

[gray bear]

it was a second before,,, i just edited the map

[hard fern]

i fixed it lol

[ornate locust]

I have a question. Are your draw tiles on the left or the right on your expanded tilesheet?

[vernal crest]

You have to update your ChairTiles patch if you added your shadowless chair to the left of the shadowed one

[ornate locust]

like which bench has the shadow

[gray bear]

right

[ornate locust]

The shadow bench should be on the left.

[gray bear]

they should be left should't they

fuck

[ornate locust]

That's the one your map uses

Just swap em

[gray bear]

i have about 1 braincell

[vernal crest]

Rule of thumb for Stardew: never expand a tilesheet or a map upwards or to the left after you've already done something with it

You will break all the coordinates

[ornate locust]

Always expand to the right/down

[gray bear]

back to editing

[vernal crest]

Imagine CA's holding onto the top left of your tilesheet

[gray bear]

i can just move the shadow

[vernal crest]

And he won't let go

[ornate locust]

https://tenor.com/view/buksi-no-dog-let-go-twig-gif-17444774

[blissful panther]

All because he's trying to save you from the sheer amount of internal screaming you'll have to do if you do it.

[gray bear]

it's too alte for me

[vernal crest]

As soon as you've put it in game that's it he's grabbed hold of it. No choice but to go right and down after that.

[gray bear]

some of them, do have it on the left side

me and directions

[ornate locust]

It's not about what side it's on, it's about what side you add to

If you make a tilesheet bigger than it started, it has to go in a down/right direction, can't add the other way around or this happens

[gray bear]

i meant the fall one did have the shadow on the right side already

[ornate locust]

Aha

well hey, a bit less work to do

[gray bear]

true

ok so it works!! there is a thing where when sitting the shadow from the tree i think leaves but i dun think i can fix that

[hard fern]

oh i forgot i had more chairs.. can i ignore these

[gray bear]

not all chairs need to be sittable

[hard fern]

the player can't even reach them ✨

[ornate locust]

Then you can ignore those

[gray bear]

ok i have chairs. now i need my about 5 edits for recolors

,,,i take break

[ornate locust]

Yeah either you make that side of it NOT sittable or it's something you can't control. So you're done!

[gray bear]

some birds flying do in fact go in front of my map edit

this is fine

[ornate locust]

or you go crazy and bake the shadow into your draw tile texture

[gray bear]

what

[ornate locust]

Don't worry about it, a lot of effort for no gain LOL

like HYPOTHETICALLY you can just draw the shadow onto the draw tile, but that would be so much effort for what might not even match right

[gray bear]

also inch resting fact about summit it no rain there

or i broke the game

[ornate locust]

And then you'd have to do it for every recolor, it's so not worth it

[gray bear]

fear

[hard fern]

🤔 can you warp your horse when you use a warp totem or that wizard witch warp circle

i need to test that

oh you cant even use a warp totem on a horse

boo...

ok time to patch the secwet woods

[whole raptor]

Warp circle probably too, since it's just walking on it

[gray bear]

secwet

[hard fern]

well it's ok i'll just. bring my horse to the wizard ig

[blissful panther]

I suppose you could go even deeper into the effort and EditImage a shadow onto the draw tile sheet so that a recolour could apply before your shadow overlay patch?

But then if another map/author uses that same seat, they just have a shadow on their seat now.

[gray bear]

dun steal me chair

[ornate locust]

It's a bench for one spot, not likely to be a problem

[gray bear]

DH do you know if the summit is like, immune or rain or something

[blissful panther]

I actually have no idea, I'm afraid!

[gray bear]

seems like it? why r the birbs doing that

[gray bear]

thanks anyway

oh no.

okay i guess rotating tiles is illegal

back to tiled! (tomorrow that is)

[iron ridge]

it shouldn't be unless you're using tbin for some reason

[gray bear]

am tmx

was doing some of the recolor shit and uhm

wittily removed the back of the bench

can i uhh, just not have the draw layers

[calm nebula]

It's weird but I think the summit is actually indoors

[gray bear]

some sorta magical place

indoors... so it's not affected by weather

ok

this is why we have a back aprt i guess

farmer wyd

[hard fern]

farmer moment

[gray bear]

why wittily, why change the bench

[latent mauve]

Is Wittily replacing your draw layer or the sprite sheet?

[gray bear]

sprite sheet

i made the draw layer invisible

bc wtf am i meant to do

above one is also wittily

guess it grew a back in winter

[latent mauve]

You may need to add a patch with a high priority to add the seat back again with a match to the recolor when Wittily is found

[gray bear]

wdym?

[latent mauve]

It's pretty normal for missing sprites from recolors to need patches to make the recolor compliant with things that add new sprites.

Gimme a minute to get off mobile and I can explain it better

[gray bear]

mk, ty

[ornate locust]

I have what may be a foolish question

[obtuse wigeon]

There are no foolish questions

[ornate locust]

Why isn't the recolor on a separate tilesheet?

like one that swaps in with a hasmod

Does Wittily add a bench variant or something?

[gray bear]

it changes the bench

[ornate locust]

To a different bench, I assume?

[gray bear]

it's all seperate tilesheets

[latent mauve]

okay, so was your screenshot from the patch export of the tilesheet?

[gray bear]

yeah the bench lost the back

nope from the game

[latent mauve]

this one

[gray bear]

oh! i jsut wanted to demosrate the diff bench

[latent mauve]

okay, that's what I was trying to figure out.

Is the bench front visible in the vanilla tilesheet?

(in this case, the spring version of the tilesheet)

[gray bear]

the vanilla one? it's in uhh ChairTiles

[ornate locust]

I guess I'm confused why you're making it a new bench on the tilesheet instead of just replacing the bench in the tilesheet for when you have Wittily

[gray bear]

i am sorry, can u dumb this down? i literally don't understand

[ornate locust]

or is that just for comparison, maybe my brain is asleep

[gray bear]

this is the bench from wittily, straight from the tilesheets

[latent mauve]

If you're making a completely new tilesheet/adding to a tilesheet rather than putting something directly on top of an existing sprite in a tilesheet, then you need to create your own recolored version of it, because Wittily doesn't recolor anything that's not present in the vanilla sheet.

Where does Wittily patch that to, Bea?

I'll download Wittily and look if you can't figure it out.

[gray bear]

spring_outdoorsTilesheet2

[ornate locust]

actually that's a good idea

[oblique meadow]

Ok im stuck. Can someone point out where Im being dumb.
Smapi is giving error:
[game] No location with name Huskyn1nja.EG_GreenhouseOrchard

I am loading the location with

      // add the in-game location
      {
         "Name": "Huskyn1nja.EG_GreenhouseOrchard",
         "FromMapFile": "assets/EG_Greenhouse_Orchard.tmx"
      }
   ],```
and this is the file:

[ornate locust]

cracks open Wittily

[gray bear]

why are u using cutom lcoations

[oblique meadow]

Because this specific map doesnt already exist so Im building it

[obtuse wigeon]

Theres no "Action": "Load"

[oblique meadow]

.....

whelp

[tiny zealot]

i think CustomLocations still requires you to prefix your location name with Custom_ (but also don't use CustomLocations any more)

[uncut viper]

CustomLocations has been deprecated since 1.6

It does accept a mod ID prefix I believe

[gray bear]

im trying to send husky the tutorial but my firefox no let me copy

[ornate locust]

oh no

Wittily... hm

[gray bear]

https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Adding_a_Custom_Location_(CP)(1.6)

[latent mauve]

It's possible Wittily missed some tiles when the recolor got updated.

[gray bear]

it wasnt updated to 1.6

[obtuse wigeon]

Oh ye good point, I missed the custom locations field, I thought it said changes cause it began with a C, whoops

[latent mauve]

ah, then there are probably several missed tiles, Bea. xD

[gray bear]

i am confused about

why that matters

[lusty halo]

Turns out there was an 8 where it shouldn't have been even though I keep copypasting things from the old version so the texture wasn't showing. I will blame the summer heat as always. Coding is fun but boy is it also frustrating to heck and back...

[latent mauve]

If Wittily isn't using PatchMode:Overlay for their changes, then they may completely erase sprites in the blank spaces.

[ornate locust]

this has more code in it than I expected for a recolor, it has options

Oh yeah it's using replace

[latent mauve]

That was what I was trying to get to, LOL

So there is a solution

[gray bear]

im not trying to fix wittily

[ornate locust]

but Wittily might be breaking your bench

thus the problem

[gray bear]

does having an empty draw layer break something? i can sit

[latent mauve]

Correct, Wittily is erasing your bench front layer because of their PatchMode:Replace, so you need to create a second patch for your bench when Wittily is installed if you want it to match visually.

[ornate locust]

it's why it looks like this

A draw layer prevents this

[gray bear]

if i do a draw layer it'll be quite odd

[ornate locust]

This is also odd though

[latent mauve]

the second patch would use the Wittily Recolor version of the bench for the front layer

[gray bear]

this is a custom tilesheet, wittily has no way to override it

[ornate locust]

I don't know what you mean by that

[gray bear]

front layer for that bench is in chairtiles, wittily no have

[ornate locust]

Your mod can detect Wittily and make a change to make it look right anyway

is what we're trying to say

[gray bear]

i'm afraid im lost

[latent mauve]

alright, one moment.

[gaunt orbit]

[latent mauve]

What does your Data/ChairTiles patch look like?

The JSON

[gray bear]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/25af89d13e114271a9d2de92449bd62b

i haven't uh, added all the recolor options as tokens yet

or made it viable yet lmao

can a token be the smae as a config option actually

[latent mauve]

okay, so you are pulling the draw layers from your custom sheet, Maps/spring_SummitBench_Edit

[gray bear]

mhm

[latent mauve]

What does that sheet look like?

[gray bear]

i did have this empty (the draw layer) but making it like this doesn't change anything really

farmer just kinda sits like an asshat

[obtuse wigeon]

Have I been staring at the same tiles for too long or is it really easy to tell where the seams on these cliffs are?

[tiny zealot]

the sit frames are cursed because they are used for chairs and also horse (famously requiring the same kind of sitting irl)

[gray bear]

yeah saloon seats have the same issue

why would the wittily auhor remove the back part of the seat that was for protection

[gray bear]

seams evident

[latent mauve]

I can tell but that's what bushes and trees are for, to hide things like that.

It looks like you might have a 1 pixel line that's the wrong shade and prevents it from being seamless

[obtuse wigeon]

okay good so it isn't just me, identical to the ones used everywhere

[gray bear]

my seat was fine what the fuck

[hard fern]

im uh, a little confused at what im looking at, but it looks like 🤔 cliff?

[obtuse wigeon]

tis a very snowy cliff, with a complete lack of detailing, that comes after laying everything down

[gray bear]

okay winter just breaks my seats

[latent mauve]

If their seat was seaonal, that would explain why three of them are empty.

[gray bear]

wittily has different seats for every season

i should clarify im not loading wittily

just stole their benches

[latent mauve]

And yours isn't seasonal, based on the ChairTiles data

[gray bear]

if it is seasonal would everything need to be in the same tilesheet

winter just doesn't like any of my chairtiles

[latent mauve]

Yes, because "IsSeasonal" in Data/ChairTiles works by using the next object over for the next season's view

[gray bear]

lemme try that

[latent mauve]

for instance, this is the vanilla ChairTiles.png

[gray bear]

that's, gonna be a bit akward for the chair tiels

and i'd need to add more chairtile blocks

why winter, whyy

it works fine, in every other season

???

[latent mauve]

hmm

I'm gonna dig into the other files to find that bench real quick

[gray bear]

it's not refrencing chairtiles either bc that would match

[latent mauve]

Okay, so I may have misspoke earlier, so let me clarify

The normal view of the bench (not the front layer) can be on separate tilesheets if they are seasonal. The FRONT layer (or Draw Tiles) sprites, if seasonal, are placed in sequential order on the sheet used as the last value in the Data/ChairTiles entry.

So only the draw layers have to be ordered like that on the same tilesheet

If you are placing your own bench, not from the outdoorsTileSheet2 tilesheet, then you're right, Wittily should not be touching it at all

So I guess my question is: In Tiled, are you placing the bench from your custom tilesheet?

[gray bear]

yes

just realized i have seasonal on

feck

yeah that fixed it

[latent mauve]

Was it just the Seasonal setting breaking it?

[gray bear]

wait no. why

[latent mauve]

I was looking over your Data/ChairTiles and wondering if you somehow had your Draw Tiles offset one too far to the right.

[gray bear]

it's only the winter ver being like this

nope it's all of them

too far to the right u say? h

wait is this just Chairtiles overidding me

im going to test something

h nvm

i am sad

[latent mauve]

Scrolling up so I don't ask again if you've already posted it, but I do want to check what your custom tileset looks like

Is it just those two benches?

[gray bear]

yeh. bench and draw layer for each season

is this legal? it fixes it

i'm assuming bc it was spring it was usually ONLY spring

no nvm

it jsut no want get my draw layers

[latent mauve]

Well, your entry is still looking for spring_ as the base

in the key

[gray bear]

should i just add one per season

or remove the spring for it?

[latent mauve]

If you're going to have variants then you could possibly just use {{season}} as the token in the key, too

Or just add separate entries per season, which would ultimately do the same thing, but also fix it if you for some reason put the bench somewhere else that is normally an unloaded season (Ginger Island, how I hate your tileset rules)

[gray bear]

yeh token no work i just, add more

nope it's still, changing color

can i somehow get rid of the vanilla chairtiles

[latent mauve]

If your entry key is different and none of the recolors are targeting the same sheet name, then it shouldn't be able to touch your sprites. I am so confused as to how it's doing that.

[gray bear]

that makes 2 of us

perhaps an odd hardcoded behaviour

summit weird

[latent mauve]

as an experiment, try putting your bench on a different part of the summit

Just to rule out hardcoded draw layers in that specific pixel coordinate area

[gray bear]

alr

i am

going to scream

draw layer a bit messed up but that's fine ur telling me CA HARCODED A BENCH

[latent mauve]

Well.

[hard fern]

Lol

We love to see it

[gray bear]

false alarm

[hard fern]

Oh

Why is it not tiling

[gray bear]

spring always looks fine i forgor. am i doing this wrong

[hard fern]

Seasonally

Wait

If the summit is considered indoors

🤔

[gray bear]

oh no

[latent mauve]

Actually I think it is.

[gray bear]

does that change shit

[hard fern]

Auto changing via seasons only works outdoors

With the {{season}} token

[gray bear]

i am doing this

oh wait u mean

fuck me

ok time for edit image i guess

[latent mauve]

The tilesheets themselves need an EditImage with a when condition, yep

[obtuse wigeon]

I don't think so, seasonal plant recolours that use the {{season}} token also work indoors, unless you mean specifically maps and not edit image?

[gray bear]

😱

[hard fern]

Its a map thing, when outdoors if you have a tilesheet called spring_somethingsomething it'll change to fall in fall if you have a fall version of the tilesheet

[latent mauve]

Well, in Tiled, it won't change the bench tilesheet reference from the spring_ to summer_ automatically if it's an indoor map, yes?

[gray bear]

no, it no do

this is an outdoors only feature

[obtuse wigeon]

Ahh okay gotcha, I think I missed a view messages by accident

[latent mauve]

So that's the part that you need an EditImage for to tell the {{season}}_tilesheet to overlay or replace the spring_tilesheet.

[gray bear]

screaming, crying

[hard fern]

Which just reminded me i named my tilesheets wrong oppsie silly me

[gray bear]

ok so. spring and summer are fine

fall and winter are still being mean

nope nvm had to leave and come back

nope nvm the nvm

?????

[latent mauve]

doublecheck that the fall and winter sheets are correct.

[gray bear]

[latent mauve]

Okay, my brain has stopped processing right now, I'm gonna get some food and then maybe try to make a sample bench example myself to try to see if I can figure out why it's being weird.

[gray bear]

enjoy your food! i will also take a small break, bench ahte me

[latent mauve]

If I can get a working example to happen later, you can just copy my code and just change the spritesheets as needed.

[gray bear]

hey uh, can using debug season break shit

[lucid iron]

Well u should eep

[gray bear]

i might have uhm

o-oh

fire i am so sorry

the real error was me all along

[latent mauve]

LOL

I was wondering if you were resting between debug seasons

[hard fern]

...

Lol

[hard fern]

Yeah you need to sleep a day to get it to Season

[latent mauve]

no worries, the puzzle woke me up a bit xD

[gray bear]

i am going to have some yogurt

[lusty halo]

Quick question, can I write this code like this since they both use the same 'answer':
"When": { "FH_Appliances_Microwave, FH_Countertop_ExtraShelf": "2nd House Upgrade" },

(I forgot about Merge...but right now I don't have the brain to reread about it if this is possible to do)

[gray bear]

i understand the blue bits i think but what is that one random tile over there

[uncut viper]

no

[lusty halo]

Aww, too bad. Let me see if I can do it with Merge unless anyone knows already if it is or isn't possible.

[gray bear]

merge should work

i think? i'm not an expert

   "Merge: FH_Appliances_Microwave, FH_Countertop_ExtraShelf": "2nd House Upgrade"
}```

[lusty halo]

"Merge: {{FH_Appliances_Microwave}}, {{FH_Countertop_ExtraShelf}}": "2nd House Upgrade"

[gray bear]

wait no, yeah what you did

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/tokens.md#Merge

[lusty halo]

yeah the guide used a "Krobus" answer example so I'm pretty sure it should work.

thanks for the help!

[gray bear]

of course! 💜 glad to be able to

[urban patrol]

is there a way to find out if someone is playing multiplayer from their log

[obtuse wigeon]

I can give it a test, bare with

[gray bear]

i tried to uh, put stuff into front so the birds stop going trought them

did not consider, that

[obtuse wigeon]

Not that I can find in the log, usually consoles output connected players I thought

[urban patrol]

thanks for checking, i'm looking at a log from a bug report not coding though lol

trying to figure out why an event didn't trigger for them, and i thought maybe it had to do with them playing multiplayer since it has a Hostmail precondition

speaking of which, bump

[obtuse wigeon]

I lied there is! search for Context: loaded save in the log, same line will say farmhand somewhere if the log is from the not host

I can't see anything in the host log however

[urban patrol]

aha! not a multiplayer issue then

[obtuse wigeon]

It still could be if the log is from the host, but Hostmail would trigger then, so Imma also say not multiplayer!

[urban patrol]

honestly i hate to cry user error but i'm not convinced they didn't accidentally skip the event sdkjshkdfjh

[obtuse wigeon]

skipping events prevents hostmail preconditions?

[urban patrol]

no i mean maybe the event started and they accidentally clicked skip before it even started without realizing, or something

[obtuse wigeon]

Ohhh gotcha

[urban patrol]

OR it could be some incompatibility with one of their million other mods

or, of course, it could be a me issue, but it's worked fine for others, so i don't know what could be wrong

[obtuse wigeon]

logs from modded games with hundreds of mods are so annoying to try and debug due to all the latent errors, but I can't speak cause I'm also the exact same

[urban patrol]

yeah and i requested a patch summary full too in order to check flags so this thing is a trillion lines long

[obtuse wigeon]

That's gunna be so much parsing, at least theres a search function in editors

[urban patrol]

yeah thank god lol

they do have the mail flag for having read the letter, and they confirmed they had read it, but they don't have the flag for event seen

[whole raptor]

Anyone knows if there's a way to see which tilesheets were used in the map in Tiled?

[urban patrol]

(linking the log in case anyone wants to look themselves, but i don't expect it) https://smapi.io/log/291f1218443f448284aa04a26901f540

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.3.2 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.26100.0, with 104 C# mods and 279 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[gentle rose]

yup! you want the ones that are actually used?

as in, at least one of the tiles is in the map

[whole raptor]

Yep

[gentle rose]

warning: this involves the tiled console

click View > Views and Toolbars > Check console

copy this into the console window:

tiled.activeAsset.usedTilesets().map(ts => ts.name)

and press enter

it will print the names of the used tilesets

[uncut viper]

(i didnt even know Tiled had a console, even though in hindsight it makes perfect sense)

[gentle rose]

I don't write js code without a console to commit crimes in

[iron ridge]

i didn't know you could evaluate things with it

[uncut viper]

all just js under the hood babeyyy

[gentle rose]

(tiled isn't js under the hood but has a very extensive js api)

[iron ridge]

thankfully it's c++ but qt has a javascripr thing

[uncut viper]

(not all i know. but enough to have fun with)

(i should know better by now than to make a not 100% accurate joke in a chat full of nerds)

[gentle rose]

they aren't using qt's api! in fact, they barely expose it

[iron ridge]

is it not qt's js runtime?

[gentle rose]

it's their runtime but tiled built their own special api on top of it

[iron ridge]

ah

[gentle rose]

and heavily restricted which parts of the qt api you can access

[whole raptor]

Day by day I burn with bigger hatred for Tiled... or just SVE maps in Tiled, not sure 😅

[gentle rose]

haaaaaave you tried my extension yet?

[whole raptor]

Extension? Elaborate

[gentle rose]

https://discord.com/channels/137344473976799233/1399862293331972246 check pins for latest version, first message for instructions

but it makes messing with tilesheets way easier

by automatically fixing them without having to move things to different folders

(the toughest part of this extension by far has been explaining what it does lmao)

[urban patrol]

(it's amazing)

[whole raptor]

Yeah, I'm not gonna pretend I understand even half of what it does, but looks interesting

[gentle rose]

basically, right now when you open an sve map, what annoys you?

for example, I opened this SVE map directly from the mod folder without moving any tilesheets or symlinking anything thanks to my extension

[whole raptor]

Mostly that I have no clue what's vanilla and what's not + having to get all the sve tilesheets in the folder

[gentle rose]

without my extension, it would have looked like this until I moved all the tilesheets

[whole raptor]

Oh, interesting

[gentle rose]

so that second part is what my extension fixes! it automatically fixes tilesheets even if they're in the wrong places, all you have to do is tell it where your unpacked maps folder is and where your tilesheet mods are

(and you only have to do those once)

[hard fern]

I wonder if i could separate just the sve edits to the vanilla houses from like. The rest of sve (like the little garden plots some houses have...)

[gentle rose]

wdym?

in terms of how the assets are arranged, sve has vanilla map edits in a separate folder to new locations

[whole raptor]

I encourage taking SVE apart bit by bit (I definitely won't touch any of the town stuff)

[patent lance]

New quote added by atravita as #6582 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/1408172240775807049)

[hard fern]

Mm just thinking about sve and stuff, it changes all the vanilla maps so i was wondering if i wanted to try just making a separate mod for myself with all the edits but like.

Doing surgery on the town and stuff scares me lol

[whole raptor]

Quick question... if you were doing a standalone Lance mod... would you use the Adventurer's Summit map or tried to sqeeze the boat somewhere on the vanilla mountain map (the problem with the latter is that it's a goddamn lake with the river under the bridge being dry...)

[hard fern]

🤔 i would probably ude the separate adventurers guild map because i like that map. Lol

[limpid talon]

man I'm making my to-do list for my mod and the points just keep coming...

[gentle rose]

make a new extension map from the mountain that's just a dock

[whole raptor]

Tbh it's one of my favorite ones from SVE too 😅 So I guess I'll have to add the stairs and remove mines from the vanilla Mountain... unless I just use SVE mountain, but that might cause some issues with other mods without specific compatibility...

[gentle rose]

that map annoyed me in actual gameplay because it added a bunch of distance just to get to the mines and/or guild lmao

[whole raptor]

Also would be nice to use it, if I ever get around to splitting Wizard and Enchanted Grove stuff

My first thought was editing the vanilla Mountain to have the river and stash the boat there

But I really don't want to bother with the bridge...

[gray bear]

i fed the summit

gonna add some trees to cover all the akward

[autumn tide]

Hey! Is this formatted correctly for adding conditions before a piece of dialogue?
"$query PLAYER_HAS_SEEN_EVENT current (event name): false # (dialogue line...)"

[brittle pasture]

no
if you want negation use !PLAYER_HAS_SEEN_EVENT

[autumn tide]

gotcha, tysm!!

[gray bear]

well i'm going to bed

[whole raptor]

Is it decent..? I have no clue if it's even possible to make such a narrow path from the bridge to the stairs...

[autumn tide]

maybe remove the tree near the stairs, and move the tree blocking the view of the bridge on the right?

[brittle ledge]

Looks good to me, I'd remove the trees to for navigation purposes.

[whole raptor]

Noted, thanks

[autumn tide]

it still looks really good tho!

[hot gale]

O.o I wonder how well this would work with my new city management mod

The size of the town you could build in that area 👀

[autumn tide]

Hi! Uhh I wanna add dialogue to other NPCs after the player ‘divorces’ krobus, but the wiki only lists a built-in divorce dialogue topic for spouses, not roommates like Krobus. Any tips on how I would make a new conversation topic after ‘divorcing’ krobus?

[brittle ledge]

Use a trigger action to add a conversation topic for it, probably

[autumn tide]

How would I set that up? Like where would I put the trigger action

[brittle ledge]

Uhhh take a look at the trigger actions page on the official wiki, but I believe you edit Data/TriggerActions

You'd have it conditional on a game state query where the player has divorced Krobus.

[autumn tide]

Oh I didn't know I could do that!

[gentle rose]

I have moved on from copying learning from Casey to copying learning from chu 😌

[lucid iron]

MPL-2.0 btw

[somber canopy]

Hello! I'm new to making maps, and have run into an issue: The game is trying to use the tilesheets from the content (unpacked) folder instead of the correct ones within the mod's asset file. I'm still learning tiled- how do I fix this?

[lucid iron]

I hope u r yoinking the sensible things

[lucid iron]

!tilesheetclimbing

[ocean sail]

When creating or editing maps in Tiled, one common error is tilesheet climbing, marked by red text containing "invalid tilesheet path '../../..'. This is caused by SMAPI not being able to find the tilesheets needed by the map file. To prevent this error, make sure that you have a copy of all necessary tilesheets in the folder containing your WIP tmx file. Copies of vanilla tilesheets can later be deleted, but must be present while working on your map.

If you get this error with a completed map, an easy way to fix it is to open your tmx file in VS Code or a similar text editor, find all of the places with <image source=, and remove the filepaths to so that only the tilesheet names remain. For example, if the code says <image source="Content (unpacked)/Maps/townInterior_2" width="512" height="64"/>, change it to just <image source="townInterior_2" width="512" height="64"/>.

To use this command, type !tilesheetclimbing.

[twilit quest]

Also look at the Tiled Tilesheet Extension Feedback thread for a Tiled add-on by irocender that should make handling tilesheets easier

[lusty halo]

I really need to have less time pass between coding, I tend to forget the simpliest things like "smart layering = less coding". I might not need to use Merge at all. I feel a fool. Ah well, I blame the Summer Heat as usual.

[inner harbor]

I do it for East Scarp so yeh, its possible, just gotta move the obstacles.

(i'll patch it for ES when its released)

[hard fern]

🤔 you can make spacecore do HD portraits right

[gentle rose]

(ty but I am kidding about copying it, just had a glance at how you handle your asset in livestock bazaar)

[merry rampart]

anyone know how to consolidate tilesheets in tiled?

my situation is i have two tilesheets that are exactly the same thing (spring_outdoorstilesheet) both in use by the map. unfortunately i didnt notice until it was too late x.x i dont wanna have to go through everything and redo it....

[urban patrol]

as far as i know the only thing to do is to delete the one that has fewer tiles in use and redo it :(

[gentle rose]

if it's a lot of tiles, if you send me the map I may be able to quickly throw a script at it

[brittle ledge]

Could we add button's tilesheet climbing fixer to the !tilesheetclimbing command?

[latent mauve]

There's a tileset de-duplicator script that I found on a quick google search, but it's not a Tiled script and I've never used it, so I can't speak to how trustworthy/reliable it is

There is source code though

Someone who knows what they're looking at may have better luck understanding how it works: https://github.com/TomONeill/tmx-tileset-deduplicator

[autumn tide]

hey! how could one edit a NPC so that all interactions give less friendship? I wanna make krobus more difficult to befriend so you really have to work to roommate him, then add tons of perks if you properly befriend him

[brittle ledge]

C#

I suppose you could add a trigger action to all of his dialogue to decrease friendship, but that seems like a lot of work

[autumn tide]

yeah that does seem tedious

even if use i18n to make it shorter

[lucid iron]

Just make his friendship go down a bit every day

[autumn tide]

uyn b

cat sorry

[brittle ledge]

You could also have him reject gifts (not 100% sure if you can do it across the board easily, but you could do his stated likes/loves)

[lucid iron]

That's just a simple triggeraction end o day thing

[brittle ledge]

Chu with the galaxy brain

[autumn tide]

i know omg!

hmm any other ideas? cause I do want it to be fairly proportional

[lucid iron]

Percent debuff is hard and would need some c# probably

[autumn tide]

gotcha

maybe I could set up a more complex formula for friendship loss at the end of the day?

[uncut viper]

you cant really do that with CP

doesnt really allow for reading data like that in a way thatd be helpful

[lucid iron]

Another thing is like i feel ppl may get confused by this if you don't communicate it well

[autumn tide]

got it

thanks for the suggestions :) I'll prob do a mix of all the advice

[brittle pasture]

the content modder yearns for UPDATE Characters/Dialogue/Krobus SET value=concat(value, '#$action AddFriendshipPoints -10')

[autumn tide]

wait how would that work? clueless sorry

[uncut viper]

it was a joke

not something you can do

[lucid iron]

Yearning for for/sql/etc

[autumn tide]

💔

[merry rampart]

ive tried using this and it doesnt work. it just errors and exits every time i try

[autumn tide]

how would I trigger it work daily?

[urban patrol]

you would need to make sure it has the line "MarkActionApplied": false for it to repeat

[mortal leaf]

Hey folks! I'm new here and I have a pretty bold first project I want to create 😛

[latent mauve]

I'm gonna try a thing to see how hard it is to fix in a text editor

(without the script)

[mortal leaf]

Basically I'm not thrilled with any of Stardew's magic mods right now so I want to make my own, with a whole skill and profession choices at level 5 and 10 etc

[autumn tide]

oh cool!

[mortal leaf]

But I'm at the skill level of changing Abigail's hair to red type shit

😄

❤️ Thank you guys for helping I already feel the support!!

[autumn tide]

yeahhh same here I straight up just started making slight chages to someone's mod then hyperfixated into making a full-fledged expansion-

[urban patrol]

you would need C# for more advanced stuff, but i bet you could do/fake a lot of it with content patcher, which can add buffs and run trigger actions, as well as a bunch of other stuff. best of luck and we're here if you have any questions!

[autumn tide]

the binning skill mod might be a good place to start for a reference!

[mortal leaf]

I didn't know content patcher could do that! I thought CP only replaced one thing with a new thing!

I've been referencing the Love of Cooking but i'll check that out too!!

[round timber]

CP can do sooo much

[lucid iron]

A custom skill still requires C# at this stage

[mortal leaf]

I can handle C# just don't know where to begin!

[urban patrol]

yeah, this will likely be best accomplished with a combination C#/CP mod or a CP mod with an existing framework (i think spacecore can register custom skills? or there's another one, i forget)

[lucid iron]

!startmodding

[urban patrol]

!startmodding

[ocean sail]

Making mods can be broadly divided into two categories:

• Content packs are formatted text files, and don't need any programming knowledge. They can add/edit NPCs, maps, new items, shops, and more. To get started, see the list of framework mods, the wiki tutorial for Content Patcher, and there might be relevant guides on the tutorial wiki.
• C# mods use programming code to change fundamental game mechanics. See getting started with C# modding.

Usually it’s easier to start with making content packs, since you don't need to learn programming.

To use this command, type !startmodding.

[round timber]

ack

[urban patrol]

jinx

[mortal leaf]

Can you help me see if Spacecore has such a framework?

that would save me big headache!

[urban patrol]

yeah let me check the docs, one sec (unless someone else knows)

[mortal leaf]

I'm seeing the words custom skills on the doc a lot here seems promising 😄

Fuck yea okay

[brittle pasture]

spacecore does custom skills yet
there are examples in luck/archaeology/cooking/scaring/etc. skill on nexus

[lucid iron]

I guess it's also about what magic is supposed to do

[urban patrol]

yeah assuming i'm reading it correctly it's doable through the C# side of spacecore

[lucid iron]

Some stuff is ez some is wow what an unfortunate thing you have decided to attempt

[latent mauve]

yeah, I couldn't quite figure out how to do it, maybe take irocendar up on their offer to try to run a script through it if you haven't already

[autumn tide]

(can't really help here but good luck @mortal leaf !!)

[mortal leaf]

Well I have some cool ideas! You have air spirit, go faster (ez) water spirit waters crops (hard?) earth spirit mines rocks (idk???) and fire spirit blasts baddies (custom weapon???)

Some would be easy forsure but uh

[uncut viper]

it wouldnt be the most difficult thing to make a tilesheet consolidating script so if iro offered i'd def take them up on it

(with a few tweaks my map fixer could probably do it too, actually...)

most of the code would basically be the same kinda process used to fix gids

[hot gale]

Villagers gain exp for doing jobs now :D

[lucid iron]

Well taking water spirit for example

• water nearby hoedirt: ez
• render a water spirit doing thr dirt water: intermediate
• making the water spirit sync across multiplayer: pain
• give water spirit pathing logic so that she has to walk to the dirt: pain2

[mortal leaf]

!!! Let's just start with bare heckin bones 😄