making-mods-general

[uncut viper]

you dont need C#

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Audio

[calm nebula]

I have the bad habit of going "if a dumbbass like me can do it it has to be stupid easy right"

[rough lintel]

what you do is insane and impossible

what you do is hard LMAO

i start crying as soon as vs opens up bro

“i can do this in 5 minutes” it will take me five years 💔💔💔

[rigid oriole]

But you will have done it

[daring skiff]

I will give you back your brain cell, Lani.

[rough lintel]

no amount of braincells can get me to c# competently unfortunately

im still going through that players guide to c# book i got tho

its helping … a little bit

[daring skiff]

Just do what I do and annoy your friends to walk you thru everything.

[rough lintel]

i did that already HAHAHAHA

[tender bloom]

ive seen you write a c# mod

[rough lintel]

in this instance i had to “draw the rest of the owl”

[daring skiff]

All of my collabs are "here is how I think the code should work, please help me make this".

[rough lintel]

and i could not draw it. i got the circles tho

[rough lintel]

that was one line of code i basically lifted from pathos 😭

that alone took like 5 hours

[tender bloom]

but you did it!!

[lucid iron]

Lani when construction prices mod

[rough lintel]

NEVER CHU

its too hard chu… i cant do it…

[rigid oriole]

I've effectively shelved mods that I could write the code but not the content for so the reverse side of the coin is true too lol

[daring skiff]

But think of how powerful you'd be.

[rough lintel]

ill pay chu to finish it for me

[lucid iron]

NoU

[rough lintel]

the chulani collaboration

[rigid oriole]

Im technically capable of the events and dialogue but I dont know what to write 😭

[lucid iron]

I desire your suffering and subsequent growth it's like shonen anime training arc

Putting u in the hyperbolic time chamber rn

[daring skiff]

This one C# mod I'm working on definitely took me, like, 2 weeks that I'm sure everyone in here could make in 20 minutes.

I'll get there...

[lucid iron]

Oh do u still need the cue to be swapped

[thin plover]

I've run into an issue modding a map that I haven't encountered before. I moved some things around, notably on the back and buildings layers, but the Greenhouse was in the way at the time, so it overwrote portions of the map. I've moved the greenhouse out of the way, but the portions it had overwritten continue to be gone from the map.

I've restarted the game multiple times, warped out and back, replaced the modded map with a temp copy, duplicated and replaced each layer, but no matter what, I can't get these portions of the map back, it's just a void.

Any ideas?

[calm nebula]

The greenhouse overlay

Did you add it as a new farm map or are you overriding an existing farm map

[thin plover]

{
"Action": "Load",
"Target": "Maps/Farm_FourCorners",
"FromFile": "assets/Farm_FourCorners.tmx"
},

I guess the spot that is void was the default location of the greenhouse

[calm nebula]

Yeah okay

There is a default greenhouse overlay you'll also need to override for that

[daring skiff]

I'll be real, I completely forgot to do this. ||(was out most of the weekend protesting + hanging out with friends)||

I don't need it to be swapped but it's one of the ones I would like to be swapped.

I should probably just come up with a list.

Have an idea for a big misc audio changes mod, for all of the stuff I don't think makes much sense to upload individually.

[thin plover]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-10358303

Farm_Greenhouse_Dirt_FourCorners.tmx ?

[lucid iron]

If you be making a farm mod just make new farm type no replace

Even if it's literally just a tweaked version of a vanilla farm

[thin plover]

Do you happen to have a link handy to documentation on that or examples that I could reference?

[thin plover]

thanks

[golden basin]

@lucid iron so like maybe like a framework to make interactive holdable books that when activated will display pages?

[lucid iron]

Hm like a menu of some sort?

[golden basin]

Yeah I was wanting to make mockup educational books

[lucid iron]

Existing possibilities for this include MEEP (no pagination tho) and spacecore guide books (elaborate but very stronk)

[golden basin]

Like how Skyrim has readable books

[brittle pasture]

spacecore's guidebook and trigger action on use

ah chu beat me

[golden basin]

I couldn't understand spacecore very easily

[lucid iron]

I did literally want to make this mod though, a series of stardewui menu widgets for content modders

[golden basin]

I can definitely try though

[lucid iron]

But yeah imo if u don't care too much about the shape, perhaps letter tile action is sufficient?

[stark spindle]

menus are such a pain. that would be so nice!

[lucid iron]

I was thinking of making a version of that which will actually parse letter syntax so u can use bg

[lucid iron]

Well it's more just impossible to get custom menu going from content rn

[golden basin]

See I really wanna add like photos too

[brittle pasture]

is it gonna be like a markup language that translates into another markup language (starml)

[golden basin]

I'll try spacecore for sure though

[tiny zealot]

go steal code from SNF, it does some of this

[lucid iron]

Ichor assigned task of making secret note tile action

[brittle pasture]

I believe wildflour is adding guidebook for WAG, you can contact her for examples

[lucid iron]

I mean i was gonna hard reference stardewui for this

You can also just ask desty/axell clown

[brittle pasture]

ah yeah forgot s&s has that too lol

[lucid iron]

s&s has the ur example of book

[thorny dagger]

Hi are you migrating with the recent announcement?
https://www.nexusmods.com/news/15301?mtm_kwd=newsfeed

[lucid iron]

The abstraction is more like the question dialogue things though

Idea is that content modders get to define functionality and i do all the fun glue stuff

[rigid oriole]

Not unless the site becomes worse because of it

[brittle pasture]

we discussed it briefly before. me, I'm on the "wait and see" train

[lucid iron]

So they might give a item query and i would display every item in a grid

This is like 2026 project and i rather point clown to existing solutions first

[stark spindle]

Is there reason to believe it will get worse?

[tiny zealot]

also, migrate to where? and how convince entire user base to follow you

[lucid iron]

Should we open a thread for nexus things

[golden basin]

There's no reason to think so ppl are spooked

[lucid iron]

It's not very relevant to helping ppl out with modding i feel, but it should be discussed

[stark spindle]

sorry my bad, i was just curious

[balmy venture]

your idea is amazing Fellowclown

[lucid iron]

It's not directed at u dw

[balmy venture]

I'd download the mod for sure

[rough lintel]

no 💔

[brittle pasture]

yes

[rough lintel]

modding is so enjoyable to me pls dont make me rage for my shonen arc 💔

[brittle pasture]

if it's any consolation I may or may not get into portraits eventually and I too will enjoy the upcoming shonen arc

[lucid iron]

Next time on Making Mods G

[fading walrus]

I'm in the "wait and see" camp as well. Realistically though, we currently don't have better options beyond simply linking to our repos and praying people can find the Releases tab

[rough lintel]

next time on making mods general….. lani meets up with an old foe, the carpentermenu! a battle ensues! who will come out on top?!

meanwhile, selph is preparing to beat an opponent they’ve never encountered before… is selph strong enough to best them? FIND OUT IN THE NEXT EPISODE OF MAKING MODS GENERAL!! /j

[fading walrus]

ModDrop is still bleh, CurseForge has a theft problem

In theory we have the official forum but it doesn't seem to get much traffic?

[rough lintel]

pretend thats said in the Anime Announcer Man Voice

[brittle pasture]

the forums is also a rather terrible platform for file hosting lol

[rough lintel]

the forums are the place you go for unofficial updates exclusively. never heard of anyone actively posting there lmao

[fading walrus]

Ye

[thorny dagger]

Actually only github is a realistic alternative for nexusmods.

[rough lintel]

back in the olden days there was some chucklefish posting…

[fading walrus]

I've seen some releases there but it's not a particularly big selection

[dusky marsh]

Why people dont like curseforge?

[rough lintel]

many reasons

[fading walrus]

Not suited for stardew modding imo

From an author's perspective, they're not good at protecting authors from people stealing their mods and reuploading them

[rough lintel]

primarily i dont think its built for something like stardew

yeah

what quillimus said

curse and minecraft are best friends. curse is friends with nobody else however

[lucid iron]

Nexus Platform Changes & other Mod Hosting Talk

I bread

[blissful panther]

You know, not a bad idea.

[fading walrus]

Any similar service, for that matter
Gitlab, Codeberg, pick your poison

However, for authors that don't want to cc their media/creative assets, it's not a very good option, especially if the platform in question mandates open sourcing rather than simply source available

I'm having this conundrum with Codeberg at the moment, myself.

[rough lintel]

Bread

i like how peace has their FS github set up with the little io website to show all the mods

idk if itd be possible to make something like that that just links to hundreds of peoples repos though

[fading walrus]

Github Pages is great
Admittedly not keen on continuing to use Github though, I must say

[rough lintel]

big ol Mod Gallery

[thorny dagger]

I like https://spacedock.info for example.

[balmy venture]

what are unofficial mod updates btw?

[fading walrus]

Unofficial updates are exactly what they sound like
Updates done unofficially by people other than the author

[lucid iron]

In context of sdv, it's updates to some mod that broke bg game update by someone besides the author

[balmy venture]

but like, if the mod is open source, can't they post on nexus?

I've seen some updates on nexus and some not so I'm a bit confused

[blissful panther]

If the license allows for it (which it would if it's open source), definitely!

Though we do tend to... err more towards caution in Stardew modding.

[fading walrus]

Atp the forum thread is convention, too

[blissful panther]

Less strictly following the legal, more following the "will this confuse things for the author if we release an update on a new page and they come back to update it themselves?"

[lucid iron]

Yeah rn it's usually forum thread or gh releases

It's also worth noting that these happen more often for c# mods than npc

[blissful panther]

I'll get that Stardew GitHub action fully streamlined and released for others to use relatively soon, hopefully.

[balmy venture]

I see

I asked cause I was searching for a mod that was removed to see if there was an unofficial update and it seems there isn't. So probably because it was not open source

[blissful panther]

Which mod was it?

[balmy venture]

sec

(DGA) Asters Buildable Kitchen

this, I was checking if it did what I wanted

[brittle pasture]

that sounds like a content pack

[balmy venture]

ya I was searching for buildable vanilla counters and cabinets that match the vanilla kitchen

amazingly enough there doesn't seem to be one so I might make them myself

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/16283 like this one has that mod as a depedency. And it's basically a recolor of the vanilla kitchen so I might go from there

[fossil osprey]

I think Kisaa (crystallinerose on nexus iirc) had made a buildable kitchen mod too, you could see if it suits you

[lucid iron]

Fwiw i think it should be not that hard to make furniture that directly use the vanilla tiles

[balmy venture]

yup that's why I'm gonna try

I was just making sure it hasn't been done before. It seems within my ability to learn and do it

and it'ssomething I can post and share on nexus since my path packs I couldn't haha

[green patrol]

Question because I'm not 100% sure how to do this and I'm not finding too much data on it: how do you implement translations for options added by the GMCM?

I've got them into tokens in default.json, but when I try to set them as the display name and description and all that jazz in content.json, it just displays the token name not the token's contents

[brittle pasture]

you shouldnt need tokens

what's your code like

[green patrol]

one sec gotta wait for vs code to load >_<

[calm nebula]

You name them in a specific way

[green patrol]

default.json: https://smapi.io/json/i18n/7a0d4ff332ae4d7b94e17e195ac0d55b
content.json: https://smapi.io/json/none/d8925aedc34840019bc531c6e5bdb1b9

[uncut viper]

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/config.md#translations

[green patrol]

oh

...somehow I missed that file...whoops

ty

[pseudo vault]

So I'm a bit desperate... I was trying to port Harvest Moon DS foreagables but when I try to have more than one inside my content.json, it always errors out. I am not a programmer (and frankly don't really understand tutorials for them) So I was trying to use another mod as a base. After messing around with it for a few hours, I give up trying to figure it out myself, could anyone help me and tell me what I am doing wrong? (I also don't know how to post it since I'm new here.)

[brittle pasture]

!json

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[brittle pasture]

!startmodding also I recommend starting from the basica (the content patcher guide)

[ocean sail]

Making mods can be broadly divided into two categories:

• Content packs are formatted text files, and don't need any programming knowledge. They can add/edit NPCs, maps, new items, shops, and more. To get started, see the list of framework mods, the wiki tutorial for Content Patcher, and there might be relevant guides on the tutorial wiki.
• C# mods use programming code to change fundamental game mechanics. See getting started with C# modding.

Usually it’s easier to start with making content packs, since you don't need to learn programming.

To use this command, type !startmodding.

[brittle pasture]

make a simple mod, get it to load first, then you can resume on your own mod

starting right in middle of another mod would be mightily confusing

[pseudo vault]

I made a few Crops before.

The issue now is the forageable.

[brittle pasture]

I see, I assumed you're starting fresh

in any case post your code

[pseudo vault]

Uh... I never used the smapi website to check my json, what format do I use for it? It's a content.json so Content patcher I am guessing?

[brittle pasture]

yes

though it mostly doesnt matter

[pseudo vault]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/dada673d171c4d00a8bfb3d80640c3e4 I see the mistake but I don't really understand what it means...

[idle lantern]

As a player, would y'all prefer to have an NPC unlock chance 100%, but requires you to donate 60 artifacts - or make it a random low chance to happen?

[brittle pasture]

missing a bracket on line 37

it's resulting in the entry below being nested inside the entry above instead of its own entry

[fathom hound]

That already happens anyway so probably the former

[brittle pasture]

it's clearer if your editor has auto indentation

[idle lantern]

Do they need ' "Action": "EditData",
"Target": "Data/Locations",
"TargetField": [ "Mountain", "Woods", "Railroad", "Forest", "BusStop", "Backwoods", "Forage" ],'

multiple times, or can they just list the entries under one Edit Data heading?

[brittle pasture]

you can't use targetfield like that

[pseudo vault]

Oh... Cloudberry did it like that so I thought it was fine...

[idle lantern]

Would they need an action entry for each different target field?

[brittle pasture]

it's fine, but you're missing brackets which you likely dropped when copying pasting code

so your code is incorrectly formatted

[brittle pasture]

yes

[idle lantern]

Need double bracket here, like at the top of the image?

I'm using someone else's question as a chance to learn too, sorry! 🙂

[brittle pasture]

now you're missing an opening bracket

think of json as burgers, with {} being the top and bottom buns respectively, and all the entries inside being fillings
your problem is you stuffed a burger into another burger instead of having two separate burgers

or missing an opening bun and having an open air burger

[pseudo vault]

I thought I understood it now... But I guess I don't.

[idle lantern]

your other ones were right, so you've got it. The brackets are easy to miss

[brittle pasture]

ah darn sorry, I got confused because jierishi is asking questions using your code

[idle lantern]

sorry

[pseudo vault]

Oh oops

[brittle pasture]

okay one problem at a time

[pseudo vault]

Right I'll wait

[brittle pasture]

okay you need a }, above that { to close the previous entry

all your subsequent Action blocks are also missing the { bracket to open it

[idle lantern]

does your editor highlight the brackets by chance, so you can see the matching open/close?

[brittle pasture]

finally, that's not how you use TargetField, but we'll get to it

for now add all missing brackets and make sure the validator no longer complains

[brittle pasture]

correction: you need two },

every { must be closed with a } before you start a new Action block with a new {

[pseudo vault]

Was that at Jierishi? I can't tell sorry.

[brittle pasture]

it's to you

[pseudo vault]

Now that you mention it... Sort of.

It adds an underscore

I never noticed it

Maybe I screwed up the brackets in a different way now...

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/797d762582654f499c3d41ffe11f3419

[brittle pasture]

definitely much better
I think you have one extra } at the end

and oh yeah you need a comma between "spring" and "fall" on line 129

[pseudo vault]

I missed it oops

Do I actually need to write it like
"Season": [ "spring", "fall" ] ? Or would
"Season": "spring", "fall"
work?

[brittle pasture]

former

lists must be inside []

[pseudo vault]

So maybe I used the wrong mod to learn from? It was the only forage mod to have one item that I could find.

[idle lantern]

Try Ridgeside Village

they have custom forage. It's a big mod

[pseudo vault]

Well uh... It's very big. If possible I'd like to learn from a small mod...

[brittle pasture]

well unless they literally shipped with broken json I'd rather say you missed stuff when editing

[pseudo vault]

The only error it had was the format being 2.0.0 instead of 2.7.0

But it does have
"TargetField": [ "Woods", "Forage" ], like this

[brittle pasture]

well yes, that's how you add a new entry to the Forage list in the Woods entry

[pseudo vault]

Oh. I misunderstood what the targetfield actually does, even after reading it many times...

[brittle pasture]

what you're doing is adding a new entry to Forage inside the Backwoods field inside the BusStop field inside the Forest field inside the Railroad field inside the Woods field inside the Mountains entry of Data/Locations

[pseudo vault]

Yeah I now understand it...

[brittle pasture]

yeah you need multiple blocks for each location

should be a simple copy paste

[pseudo vault]

In HM DS they can grow on any Field in the game, so I am not sure how to simulate that for SV

[brittle pasture]

don't do that, we use TargetField for a reason

[idle lantern]

okie dokie

[brittle pasture]

you can add the entry to the "Default" location (instead of Woods or etc.)

I believe that applies to every location

[pseudo vault]

That might be bad because I plan on not having them grow in the desert.

Would this work?

[brittle pasture]

no, multiple action blocks each with its own TargetField

you'd need to duplicate Entries

[pseudo vault]

yikes

[brittle pasture]

annoying, but that's how it works

something something the content modder yearns for ForEach

[pseudo vault]

I'd say scary as I might mess it up

[full bear]

Any tips on how to patch a constructor using Harmony? I don't plan to do anything invasive, just have it toggle a switch on when the constructor is called, and toggle it off when the constructor finishes

using StardewValley.Menus;

[...]

harmony.Patch(
    original: AccessTools.Method(typeof(JunimoNoteMenu), nameof(JunimoNoteMenu)),
    prefix: new HarmonyMethod(typeof(ModEntry), nameof(JunimoNoteMenu_Prefix)),
    postfix: new HarmonyMethod(typeof(ModEntry), nameof(JunimoNoteMenu_Postfix))
);

I'm trying this but I don't think it's too happy with it

[brittle pasture]

AccessTools.Constructor

[full bear]

tysm! Didn't see that

[idle lantern]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/50c6ddb5136843bea51a82e699a3691c

I can't remember where to put the double \s whne there's a quick question.

is it every action within the event?

[brittle pasture]

dont forget to specify the param type list, because the class in question has multiple constructors

[full bear]

Thanks!

[full bear]

Could you guide me on how to do that for C#? I'm not too familiar with it

[brittle pasture]

it's the second optional parameter of AccessTools.Constructor

hold up let me get an example

[full bear]

Ah, I completely missed that - thanks so much

[brittle pasture]

    harmony.Patch(
        original: AccessTools.DeclaredConstructor(typeof(CraftingRecipe),
          new[] {typeof(string), typeof(bool)}),
        postfix: new HarmonyMethod(typeof(ModEntry),
          nameof(ModEntry.CraftingRecipe_Constructor_Postfix)));

[pine elbow]

ive learned more about modding today

also also it says i cant download sdk 6.0

[calm nebula]

Where are you trying to download from

First things first

Are you positive you need c#

[lucid iron]

I thought you just wanted to make a mexican food mod

[idle lantern]

that sounds delicious

[pseudo vault]

One of these days I need to port my HM DS crops to Content Patcher and then add the HM DS Recipes. I fear that day

I have no idea how badly I will mess up the crop port

[lucid iron]

Hey if it's 16x16 sprites it'll be ez

[pseudo vault]

I am more scared of how the new format is

Json assets felt so easy and doing the forageables now in Content Patcher was... well, very painful.

Thanks for everyone's help though

Now I just need to figure out how Litter works

I wanted to include the Weeds, Branch and Stone as well

But uh, first...

Is it possible to have two edibilities?

[full bear]

I think I have this mod almost done, whew

[pseudo vault]

In HM DS Edible items can have positive and negatives as well

Yellow for example hurts Stamina but heals fatigue (Which I made Health for SV)

[brittle pasture]

look into spacecore

[pseudo vault]

oh oh. Do I need to redo the content json again?

[pine elbow]

learned more about c shapr today made an alternate loading screen for stardew progress

[pseudo vault]

Is there no way using the vanilla game? I saw that the Energy Tonic only restores Stamina but doesn't do anything for Health

[brittle pasture]

that's hardcoded. what spacecore allows you is to do it in content packs

[brittle pasture]

no, you'd just add spacecore as a requirement, and then add an entry that Targets SpaceCore's custom asset the same way you target a vanilla asset

[pseudo vault]

Okay... Did I do it right for the manifest?

It doesn't seem to show me a mistake

[brittle pasture]

missing ] to close out dependencies before UpdateKeys

and delete the { before UpdateKeys

[pseudo vault]

Is this it?

It shows me an error if I don't add the comma

[balmy valve]

I require assistance with an event not continuing midway through, nor is it ending

No error messages are showing up in SMAPI

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/a2d3d275eeb2442fb9d849845c4f6036

Here is the json aprser

parser

Nothing past Harvey leaving is triggering. he just warps away and then they sit there in silence for eternity and the only way to end the event is to skip

[brittle pasture]

sure that looks good, but pop the full file into the json validator to verify

[pine elbow]

making avocado mods made me hungry irl i want chipotle

[balmy valve]

real

Also, does anyone know if there is a precondition that states it must be x amount of days after having seen a certain event?

[calm nebula]

Conversation topics

[balmy valve]

fair, but i don't want to make unique dialogue for that i just want it on like a timer

[round timber]

you dont have to make dialogue

[balmy valve]

3 days after a heart event, a letter must be sent

[calm nebula]

You don't need dialogue

[balmy valve]

i don't?

[round timber]

you can just use the CT as a precondition

[balmy valve]

YIPPEE!

Thank you I have done that

Now

What about the event itself?

There is something wrong with it

[balmy valve]

here

I've tried looking online, but nothing seems to be amiss?

Everything before /move farmer 0 0 3 is fine

[languid matrix]

If you forget the "Price": field on your items, your item will sell for 0 gold.

Found that out when I was fishing for Water Moccasins.

[balmy valve]

rip

[pseudo vault]

I am not sure if I understood it correctly... Is this right?

[lucid iron]

Oh no you need a second edit

[pseudo vault]

Oh

[lucid iron]

I forget what the custom assets name was, something like spacechase0.SpaceCore/ObjectOverride?

[full bear]

sigh, my new mod has weirdness with bigger backpacks probably because of how it pokes the opcode

[lucid iron]

It's sorta like Data/Objects but managed by a mod instead of the game, so you need to Target different thing

[lucid iron]

Tell ppl to use return of custom backpack upgrades instead trust

[full bear]

public static bool hasOrWillReceiveMail_Prefix(ref bool __result, string id)
{
    if((storecall_JNM || storecall_Swap || storecall_draw) && id == "canReadJunimoText")
    {
        __result = true;
        return false;
    }
    return true;
}

trying to override for specific circumstances (ex: in the middle of a function call) and Bigger Backpacks is like "😎 nah"

[lucid iron]

Why r u doing this

[full bear]

or it might be another part of the code that's screwing up

[full bear]

I want to be able to view the community center bundles from the inventory even without unlocking them

it works great! just without bigger backpacks.

[lucid iron]

Why not just give people the mail then

Is that insufficient

[full bear]

I didn't want to interfere with the normal unlock process

I only want people to be able to "preview" the bundles from their inventory

[lucid iron]

Hm ok, i find it suspect that u r patching the method checking mail instead of the place that call this method tbh

[full bear]

unfortunately it's called like ten times inside the bundle drawing method, so it's incredibly inconvenient

[lucid iron]

Transpiler

You can mass patch it with Repeat or just a for loop

[pseudo vault]

Okay, I think i did it. Do i also need to add the Mod ID to the entry like the previous ones did, like this?

[lucid iron]

Yeah it's gotta match the key

[full bear]

looks like a pita

[balmy valve]

i would also like some help whenever you can

[balmy valve]

mmmmm delicious

[lucid iron]

No it's a pretty straightforward pattern

Ldstr "mail" then Callvirt

[full bear]

I'll take a look into transpiling, thanks a lot

[lucid iron]

You can do whatever you want obviously but i vote for transpiler here

[languid matrix]

I made Organism 46B sell for 50 gold less than the Lava Eel at normal quality but unknowingly made it ridiculously common and easy to catch for its size and price.

[balmy valve]

The event will just...freeze halfway through?

Harvey leaves and everything goes to crap

Avg harvey moment

[uncut viper]

harmonyextensions also has an extension method for transpilers that you use on a list of codeinstructions thatll already do the work of replacing every method call found in a function with a different one. you could do this transpiler in one line + a custom method that just returns true, if thats the only way "hasOrWillReceiveMail" is used in this draw function

[full bear]

thanks a lot! will check this out

[uncut viper]

https://github.com/Spiderbuttons/ButtonsExtraBooks/blob/238d670784f288b70107ab8f27d6edb68b54e365/Button's Extra Books/Powers/PetGifts.cs#L22

heres an example

you dont have to use RuntimeReflectionExtensions idk why i did

[calm nebula]

We were wondering if it was faster to get the methodinfo that way

Button

[uncut viper]

yeah but i benchmarked it first and found out it wasnt

so idk why i did it again for that one

[lucid iron]

Fengshui

[balmy valve]

Is everything working out?

[lucid iron]

Who is that question directed at?

[uncut viper]

semi-relatedly but what is an infix, i see in Harmony's recent(ish) commits that theyre working on an implementation of those?

iveh eard the term before but have no memory

[balmy valve]

General, I'm waiting until others have gotten help first before i ask for mine since it might take a while

I'm gonna try to fix the event on my own first though

Will update as time passes

[full bear]

okay, my solution is disabling bigger backpacks yes yes

[uncut viper]

like... the whole mod?

[full bear]

yeah, my mod mostly for personal use

[lucid iron]

You should just ask things whenever here, it's normal and ok

[uncut viper]

if its for personal use why not just.. uninstall bigger backpacks

[balmy valve]

i did it got buried

[full bear]

wait what's what I mean?

[lucid iron]

Worst case you don't get an answer now so just bump it

[full bear]

like turning off the mod on my side

[lucid iron]

Cus rn idk what u asked

[uncut viper]

ah, okay

[balmy valve]

HANG ON i think it's working now

[uncut viper]

i was worried you meant using your mod to disable the other mod if it detects its installed

[full bear]

hell no lol

[uncut viper]

okay carry on then

[full bear]

but definitely working around a mod which pokes the instructions directly is 😭

[lucid iron]

So hm ik bigger backpack does a lot of elaborate patches to make it show 4 rows

[full bear]

doesn't even matter if I put bigger backpacks first, last, in the middle

[uncut viper]

out of curiosity, which .draw function is it exactly you want to patch?

[full bear]

https://github.com/spacechase0/BiggerBackpack/blob/master/Mod.cs#L92
it's black magic

[lucid iron]

Hence why i was like "custom backpack framework" which doesn't do that and just let you scroll

It's just using older approach of how2 do transpiler

The thing we r recommending u to do is exactly this but packaged nice lol

[full bear]

yeah, I'll look into transpilers later

once my brain is less fried

[lucid iron]

I have suffered from bigger backpack woes as well and usually there's nothing to do besides hardcode some offset to match

[full bear]

hey, I can now preview bundles before unlocking them, so I'm happy

no more getting blindsided by bundles added by mods

[pseudo vault]

I am back for more suffering. I now need to figure out the context tag for the Mine and how to add an item to the Mine digging/tilling list. It's because of the Black Grass, it can only be found in the mines in HM DS, when digging/tilling. Alternatively, maybe I should make them forages for the mine similar to Quartz and Mushrooms.

[full bear]

nevermind that the buttons seem to be a little... off for some reason

[balmy valve]

I figured out the issue with my event! The farmer can't use move commands to rotate, they have to use change direction commands

[lucid iron]

hrm idk if u can do that actually, mines are so hardcoded

maybe you can make them item extensions nodes?

[uncut viper]

should try adding to the ArtifactSpots field of Data/Locations:UndergroundMine first

[balmy valve]

Funny story

So, to make NPCs disappear, I warped them to -999 -999

In this event, I did that with Harvey

But because this event has a fade to black and i need to keep it black while I rearrange everything, I had to move the viewport

So I moved it to my usual place of "nothing": -999 -999

So

Whenever there was a fade-out

Harvey would ominously appear on screen for a few seconds

How do I make a door open in an event

Like an interior door

Right now Alta just....phases thru the door

[rough lintel]

doAction and whatever the door coords are

[balmy valve]

Ok!

[calm nebula]

Anything else

/g top_hat would probably parse as not male

[balmy valve]

DANG IT

NOW I WANT TO ADD SYLVIA AND ROWAN INTO THE MOD TOO

SO I CAN HAVE ROWAN AND ZERO TRYING TO STAY AWAKE FOR A WEEK WHILE CHANTING "NO SLEEP TILL BROOKLYN"

AND SO I CAN HAVE SYLVIA AND HALEY START A FASHION MAGAZINE TOGETHER

[gaunt orbit]

Please remember rule 40 of the internet

[balmy valve]

Huh?

oh whoops

caps lock?

my apologies

[gaunt orbit]

EVEN WITH CRUISE CONTROL YOU STILL HAVE TO STEER

[balmy valve]

Apt metaphor. Because i am going off the rails

[gaunt orbit]

xD

[balmy valve]

Do you know what the event thing is to start an event after the farmer sleeps?

Like the wedding or the bus being repaired

Wait

Figured it out I think!

Nvm

did NOT figure it out mayday

[calm nebula]

I believe there is a framework for it

[balmy valve]

Yeah but it's like a trigger action thing

And I can't trigger an event with a trigger action

Basically after the player sleeps, i want this event to happen of Zero hopping off the bus (or walking idc) and going "welp. time to move in ig"

[uncut viper]

its not a trigger action thing. "More Nightly Events"

[balmy valve]

o

so there's no way to do this in vanilla?

[uncut viper]

nope

[balmy valve]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-gif-24664106

Ah well. then I'll simply do it like the Kent introduction

Or

Temporary map >:)

Or

I omit it altogether

OR

I DIG THROUGH THE CODE

AND FIND WHAT MAKES THE EVENT HAPPEN WHEN IT DOES

Anything to avoid further dependencies

[uncut viper]

nothing makes the event happen when it does. the framework does it.

you cannot do an overnight event like that without dependencies or your own C# code

[lucid iron]

i mean u can do morning events in the farmhouse

that yeet u somewhere else

thats approximately the same feel

[calm nebula]

That's how sve does it iirc

[lucid iron]

only jank is that if ppl restart day then brrrr event go boom

[uncut viper]

id call that a pretty significant jank and personally as a player i really dislike morning events lol

makes me feel like i "have" to finish the day now even if i was thinking about stopping playing

[balmy valve]

my own code you say....

Jk i am NOT doing allat

I'll figure something out

[uncut viper]

you said "anything"

[balmy valve]

Anything barring that

[lucid iron]

i dunno i think it's just about how important this is to you

[balmy valve]

it's uhhh

idrc

i could def do without it

I'm a fan of show don't tell but i think i'd rather tell here than show

[lucid iron]

then just slap a morning event on it whatever dw about button (\lh)

[rough lintel]

ok, fellas, ive got a token problem and i need assistance

i have two variations of keys -- regular, and then NoModern. when a config option is enabled, in the dialogue, it will choose the NoModern version of a key IF it exists, otherwise it will default to the regular. so far this is accomplished by the following example (daily dialogue is the same, just named dailydialoguekeytoken)

{
    "Name": "SeasonDialogueKeyToken",
    "Value": "Lani.Dialogue.{{season}}_{{DayToken}}{{HeartLevelToken}}"
},
{
    "Name": "SeasonDialogueKeyToken",
    "Value": "{{SeasonDialogueKeyToken}}{{NoModern}}",
    "When": {
        "Old Timer Language": true,
        "HasValue: {{i18n: {{SeasonDialogueKeyToken}}{{NoModern}} }}": true
    }
},

howEVER, it seems to not pick the NoModern version even with the config enabled. if i get rid of the "HasValue" clause, then it will apply, but the check for checking if NoModern variants actually exist is gone.

i know this could hypothetically be done in "five minutes in c#" but i'm too silly for that and want to figure out why this won't work. is it just too many tokens? too complex? i didn't cook enough?

[balmy valve]

i also hate morning events like demetrius. buddy. i don't care if you've been camped outside my house since 4 am and you want to set up an experiment. do whatever you want. i just woke up and the only thing I'm gonna do while my eyes are still crusty is run to the mountain and flirt with your goblin stepson

[rough lintel]

tl;dr i want the game to pick the NoModern version of a key only if it exists, otherwise keep the normal version in the pool

[uncut viper]

ill admit im kind of having trouble parsing what exactly it is you're trying to do or what the problem is but why arent you just using i18n fallback keys

[rough lintel]

what part is confusing. i can elaborate

[tiny zealot]

you want i18n fallback keys for this i think

[uncut viper]

the All of it, but thats not exactly your fault, just kind oif always hard to get an immediate feel for whats going on when presented with someones very custom token setup

[rough lintel]

oh ok

[uncut viper]

but yes, you shouldnt need to check if i18n exists when i18n tokens can already specify what key they should use if the i18n you asked for doesnt exist

[rough lintel]

um hm

i have the pool of chosen dialogue like this:

{{season}}_Mon2, Mon2.{{Random whatever}}, and Mon2.{{whatever}}

some of those keys have NoModern verisons appended at the end so the pool of chosen dialogue would really look like:

{{season}}_Mon2{{NoModern}}, Mon2.{{Random}}{{NoModern}}, Mon2.{{Random}}{{NoModern}}

but not all the keys have NoModern variants so im like. Bwah?

can i specify a fallback per key in a pool??

[uncut viper]

thats what the fallback key is for

[rough lintel]

but the fallback goes in order listed doesnt it?

if it pulls something that doesnt exist, then itll always play the fallback key

so itll keep pulling the fallback key a majority of the time if i have Mon2.1, Mon2.NoModern, and then Mon2.3 or something

[uncut viper]

itll only choose the fallback key if it randomly chooses i18n that doesnt exist

isnt that what you'd want

[rough lintel]

...hm

i think im overcomplicating this

[calm nebula]

You are

[rough lintel]

ok i dont know how to proceed from here then

if im thinking too hard

if i have
fall_Mon4.NoModern
summer_Mon4
winter_Mon4.NoModern
Mon4.1.NoModern
Mon4.2
Mon4.3

and i have my pool set up as {{season}}_Mon4{{NoModern}}, Mon4.{{Random}}{{NoModern}}, Mon4.{{Random}}{{NoModern}}, what if it pulls... Mon4.2? But since the NoModern is appended on, that key won't exist. i want it to pull that key, though, and just ... ignore that if it doesn't have a NoModern key...?

[balmy valve]

there's a game loop event called dayEnding, is it possible for me to use that for my own event

[rough lintel]

i dont think this is possible with just tokens, hence me asking in here

[rough lintel]

alternatively, what if it pulls summer_Mon4 but there's no NoModern variant? i want it to still pick that key.

does this make more sense??

[pine elbow]

it my birthday

[balmy valve]

happy birthday!!

[rough lintel]

essentially:
pick a key
check if theres a NoModern variant
if there is, use it
otherwise, don't

[balmy valve]

dayEnding + change location?

[tiny zealot]

what you want is a dialogue key that's just the normal form, and the key abstraction goes in the i18n. e.g.:
"Mon4": "{{i18n: Mon4.{{Random:1,2,3|key=asdf}}.NoModern |defaultKeys= Mon4.{{Random:1,2,3|key=asdf}} }}",
(modulo typos and me firing from the hip about how to key the randoms)

[rough lintel]

what does "key abstraction" mean

does that make it choose the same random?

if it does, i understand 🫡

[tiny zealot]

yeah go look up what the correct syntax is, i've never had to key a random so i forget what it is exactly

"key abstraction" means where the NoModern parts live

so don't put your NoModern key material in your dialogue.json keys, put it in the i18n so you can use fallback keys to load it only if it's defined

[rough lintel]

thank you ichor !!!

i shall do this now

appreciate your guidance 🙏

[pseudo vault]

I have a few questions.
1: How would I make a forage item exclusive to the mines?
2: Can I also add that item to the Mines tilling itemtable?
3: Can I make custom Litter, and if so, what do I use for the TargetField as it's not a forage item.
4: can I make custom Branches and Stones drop items when destroyed and also how do i make them destroyable?

[lucid iron]

what is litter? trash?

[pseudo vault]

I thought that was Weeds and similar

[lucid iron]

do u want that to come out of garbage bins

[pseudo vault]

I'd like them to spawn in random areas like the Stardew Valley weeds, twigs and stones.

[lucid mulch]

note the key randomization is order sensitive.
{{Random:1,2,3|key=asdf}} and {{Random:4,5,6|key=asdf}} will always spit out 1,4 2,5 or 3,6.
and if they are different lengths it can get out of sync really easily

[uncut viper]

that wont be something you can make with Content Patcher alone

it'd be Farm Type Manager, probably

[lucid iron]

for spawning, can u use ftm or spacecore to plonk the items down?

[uncut viper]

combined with Item Extensions

can FTM just place any ol item?

[pseudo vault]

Yeah, I guess I need to use FTM... I absolutely forgot that

[lucid iron]

i would check vmv they have a lot of those

[rough lintel]

i only have 0 1 and 2 so i think it will be okay

[uncut viper]

i assumed it was just resource clumps (ive never looked at FTM)

[lucid iron]

i think u can but whether you can pick them up is a excercise for the reader

like i remember wild tree seeds being just, stuck

needed to bomb those away

[gaunt orbit]

Oooh that's a good idea, I'll put that in my map toolkit

[pseudo vault]

Well uh, guess I should first ask how to make Forage spawn in places.

[gaunt orbit]

You can do that either with an ftm content pack, or by editing location data with CP

[[Modding:Locations]]

[rough lintel]

hypothetical would this work for the seasonal keys

    "Name": "SeasonDialogueKeyToken",
    "Value": "Lani.Dialogue.{{season}}_{{DayToken}}{{HeartLevelToken}}"
},
{
    "Name": "SeasonDialogueKeyToken",
    "Value": "{{SeasonDialogueKeyToken}}{{NoModern}} |defaultKeys={{SeasonDialogueKeyToken}}",
    "When": {
        "Old Timer Language": true,
        //"HasValue: {{i18n: {{SeasonDialogueKeyToken}}{{NoModern}} }}": true
    }
},

or would i append the defaultKeys somewhere else

[gaunt orbit]

[[Modding:location_data]]

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Location_data

[pseudo vault]

I guess I'll use FTM as I'll also need to do the Weeds Branch and Stone.

[gaunt orbit]

Would be nice if the modding pages used a consistent naming scheme. I wonder how hard it is to set up aliases

[pseudo vault]

This is what I currently have for Weeds

[uncut viper]

doubt its hard. the Wallet page redirects to Special Items & Powers

i imagine you can do the same for modding pages

whether you or i can, idk

the royal you is what i meant

[tiny zealot]

defaultKeys is an argument for the i18n token specifically so it has to be where you use that token

[pseudo vault]

Actually... I can't find how "chance" works. is it % based?

[rough lintel]

yeah i do use it in a token ichor

"Name": "DialogueToken",
"Value": "{{i18n: {{Random: {{SeasonDialogueKeyToken}}, {{DailyDialogueKeyToken}}, {{DailyDialogueKeyToken}} }} |defaultKeys= Lani.Dialogue.Mon.0 }}"

it just splats it all together in here

[tiny zealot]

i guess try it and see then. too much going on for me to sensibly predict the outcome

[rough lintel]

understandable

thank u anyways

[rigid oriole]

I changed a redirect yesterday. It seems like you dont need special perms to edit them so surely you can add one

[gaunt orbit]

Huh, I might do that then

[rigid oriole]

What do u wanna redirect out of curiosity?

[uncut viper]

probably smth to do with the fact that its a crapshoot whether a modding page ends with " Data" or not

[rigid oriole]

I swear the convention is never know is when to caps something

Rip pathos who fixed caps on 15 pages after a refactoring I did yesterday to satisfy a stub notice

[rough lintel]

ICHOR YOU DID IT

WOOOOO

[gaunt orbit]

Some of the modding pages are just Modding:Thing and others are Modding:Thing_data, so if I can I want to add redirects so you can get to the Thing_data pages from Thing

[rigid oriole]

Whenever I make them I think I default to not putting data at the end... Am I part of the problem

[gaunt orbit]

Like Modding:Locations -> Modding:Location_data

[uncut viper]

i dont know if you're part of the problem or part of the solution

because i dont know what its meant to be or what started itr

[rigid oriole]

Im part of the solution because nobody else was going to migrate that giant crop info /lh

[rough lintel]

there is totally a debug command to display a dialogue line right

[uncut viper]

(i just noticed Pathos added CompleteQuest the other day. thank u pathos )

[rigid oriole]

Yes

[gaunt orbit]

Also realistically objects should probably be multiple pages but that's a spaghetti pile I don't want to touch just now

[rigid oriole]

Sounds like a lot of broken links if you do lol

[gaunt orbit]

Well, no, because you could make it an index page

[uncut viper]

whats wrong with Objects

[rigid oriole]

Hmmm fair

[uncut viper]

Modding:Items is already basically an index to each item type

[gaunt orbit]

Oh wait I think I got the two confused

[uncut viper]

Objects is all Data/Objects

[gaunt orbit]

Item stuff used to be a single gigapage for all item data except clothing

Which was just very confusing

[uncut viper]

that was changed some months ago

mid December, evidently

[gaunt orbit]

Yeah I haven't been on the wiki that much recently, so I'm not surprised I missed it

Mostly just the pages for location data, maps, gsqs, token text, and trigger actions

[ivory plume]

The original distinction was:

• Modding:X data pages only covered the data format (e.g. Modding:Object data explained the Data/Objects format without the surrounding topics like C# extensibility);
• Modding:X pages covered everything about a topic (e.g. Modding:Maps explained how to install Tiled, how to install maps, their data, etc).

The distinction is legacy though, since there's no reason not to document non-data stuff if it's useful. So we're slowly renaming all pages to remove the 'data' suffix.

[rigid oriole]

yay, part of the solution i think

[ivory plume]

(Maybe we can just rip off the bandaid and rename all the remaining pages.)

[uncut viper]

i was about to ask why it was a "slowly" thing

[ivory plume]

Mostly just because it's a pain to do, since we need to go through and fix all links on the wiki to point to the new page title.

[uncut viper]

from what i read if you "Move" a page it auto-creates the redirect for you

[ivory plume]

(The main wiki moderator doesn't like links to redirect pages.)

[lucid iron]

can spacecore animate a map tilesheet

[uncut viper]

i feel like creating the redirects and then making the "fix the links" the "slow" part of the process would be better imo but i am not the main wiki moderator, so

[lucid iron]

i have special reasons to not do this via normal ass map things

it is the ginger island mailbox tiles

[tiny zealot]

@idle lantern to set custom dialogue for your NPC when they accept the mermaid's pendant, you add a key to Strings/StringsFromCSFiles which is <NPC_internal_name>_Engaged

so if memory serves, you would have a patch like this:

{
  "Target": "Strings/StringsFromCSFiles",
  "Action": "EditData",
  "Entries": {
    "{{ModId}}_Rahiel_Engaged": "Your dialogue here"
  }
}```

[calm nebula]

Yes

[uncut viper]

(tbh idk if my wiki account even has good enough reputation to rename pages wholesale but since its easy to find every page that links to a certain page anyway, id probably find it satisfying to just go and rename/fix them all myself tbh just to finally have them all consistent)

[tiny zealot]

modulo i18n, of course, which i recommend you use if you aren't already

[lucid iron]

{
  "Action": "EditData",
  "Target": "spacechase0.SpaceCore/TextureOverrides",
  "Entries": {
    "{{ModId}}_Maps/island_tilesheet_1": {
      "TargetTexture": "Maps/island_tilesheet_1",
      "TargetRect": {
        "X": 48,
        "Y": 368,
        "Width": 16,
        "Height": 32
      },
      "SourceTexture": "{{ModId}}/mailbox_gingerisland:0..4@300"
    }
  },
},

what am i do wrong

[calm nebula]

Do it in 16x16 squarws

[lucid iron]

weh

[calm nebula]

Basically every draw rectangle has to be separated

[lucid iron]

thank god its only 2 squares

[calm nebula]

And maps draw in 16x16

[lucid iron]

do i need 2 textures

[calm nebula]

The atra is not sure

[lucid iron]

ill do it just in case

hm spacecore crashed my game when i tried to patch reload

[uncut viper]

was that the intended outcome

[lucid iron]

idk i can only assume the carrier pigeons are trapped

ah right spacecore doesn't use miliseconds but ticks

[pseudo vault]

Is this actually a valid type?

[lucid iron]

yea

[pseudo vault]

wow

[lucid iron]

how do u covert from tick to ms

[idle lantern]

he hates me lol

[calm nebula]

16.67

Unless you use a lot of mods

[uncut viper]

reluctantly

[pseudo vault]

wait what?

What if I have Forageables that need more?

[lucid iron]

use condition

[tardy adder]

Hewo, I have a CMF related question.
How can I go about expanding a custom museum space?

Like if I add Y mod, it can add an additional map space and detect those as museum stuff?

[pseudo vault]

Well uh... there is a lot of info. I am not sure I understand it

do I write it like Town_Summer?

Is there one for all seasons as well?

[uncut viper]

the other mod can add a map patch and add tiles and tiledata the same way the original custom museum has

CMF looks at the Location to know what museum it is, not the literal tiles on the map

[calm nebula]

Release the magic smoke

[lucid mulch]

I wish my tickrate was 16.67ms

[calm nebula]

Mine is!

[tardy adder]

so the other mod can add to ze custom museum rewards? or...

I'll get the hang of it eventually vv

[uncut viper]

the other mod can edit the Spiderbuttons.CMF/Museums asset after you do to edit your museum yes

[tardy adder]

Oh... OH >:3

Game changer Button, thanky for illuminating my chaotic path

[pseudo vault]

I am very confused if I did this right.

[iron urchin]

hi idk where to ask but is there things like modpacks in minecraft, but for stardew ? im new to modding and added a few mods to my save but idk many mods so i'd like to discover somes

ftm i added allat

[vernal crest]

This channel is for making mods, you want #modded-stardew :)

[iron urchin]

thanks

im gonna send it in it

[vernal crest]

Condition is not a list of strings, it's just a string. Remove the square brackets and you should be okay.

[pseudo vault]

Can I add in multiple locations as well?

Does it need a comma or is it fine without?

[vernal crest]

No, you can only check one location. No commas.

But you shouldn't need to be checking multiple locations anyway because it's going to be the same season in almost every location (except for desert and ginger island).

You can use a second GSQ if you need to check another location though.

[pseudo vault]

I think I'm using the wrong thing then... What do I use for custom forageables?

[vernal crest]

What do you mean? That is a custom forage item. The Condition is just to control when it will be available. Right now you're adding your custom forage to Default* when it's spring or summer in Town (and therefore most of the world).

* I don't know what Default actually does, whether it shows up everywhere or only places that don't have their own forage list, or something totally different.

[pseudo vault]

I would like them to have a chance to spawn as well in the backwoods, busstop, woods, secret woods, railroad and mountain.

It's to simulate how they are found everywhere in Harvest Moon DS

[vernal crest]

The condition doesn't stop that from happening.

[pseudo vault]

I really misunderstood it.

[vernal crest]

Is it making sense now?

[pseudo vault]

I think so.

Can I use that condition to make them able to spawn in the Mines as well?

[gaunt orbit]

Hooray!

[devout otter]

Excuse me @brittle pasture , but did you hackerman into the ES mod page, upload a file, delete it and run away? /j

But seriously it seems that there's some shenanigans happening in Nexus database with various modder names getting attached to random mod updates? Do we know anything about this?

[round timber]

omg i saw that too with Riley, i was very confused

no idea it was a widespread bug(?)

[gaunt orbit]

once again nexus is broken

[round timber]

love that it keeps finding new ways to be broken

[gaunt orbit]

trying to navigate past the first page of bug reports yields only errors

[rigid oriole]

Nexus knows about the error

[gaunt orbit]

I figured

[brittle pasture]

looks like my application to be an ES creator leaked early /s

[gaunt orbit]

hmmmm turning comments into bug reports also seems to be broken

[round timber]

The Devs

™

[rigid oriole]

Bro does not have automated tests /j

[calm nebula]

Can't blame them too much

After all, they're working with an antique bbcode forum as the base code

[rigid oriole]

Certainly not a job i would want to have

[calm nebula]

Apparently the new management is pro AI

[pseudo vault]

oh no

[rigid oriole]

I am unsurprised

[tiny zealot]

the old management was pro AI, too, but i guess only milquetoast pro AI and maybe not as full-throated

[rigid oriole]

Trust surely it will not devolve into being unusable due to vibe coding

Do we know for sure that the chosen company is part of this and not just the 2 random ppl

They gotta do an official announcement eventually....

[calm nebula]

Also ngl if i ever name a company "The Chosen" please come up to me and hit me across the face with a fish

What happened to generic positive sounding names

[rigid oriole]

"Happy gaming leadership"

[pseudo vault]

Anime happened

[rigid oriole]

That time I became the nexus mods site owner in another world

[calm nebula]

The company name just sounds so stupid I can't take them seriously

[pseudo vault]

anyways... anyone knows if this will work?

[gaunt orbit]

it sounds like a spinal tap gag

[rigid oriole]

All their graphics are just... Orb

[calm nebula]

I'm not going to get out of bed to check but the last I recall the forage spawn system in the mines does not call the normal one

[gaunt orbit]

yes, though you'll probably want to use it with MoveEntries so it's not last

oh for the mines? I don't think forage spawns in the mines

floor stuff is handled with other systems

[pseudo vault]

Wait how do the weeds mushrooms and Quartz-

Man...

[gaunt orbit]

I think there's a framework for it though

[calm nebula]

Ftm might be that framework

[pseudo vault]

I tried looking at the commands and am more confused than knowledge

I think i need help for that as well

I was never good with that stuff. Someone always has to explain it multiple times until I understand it

[gaunt orbit]

Item Extensions can modify mine spawns

although I guess only for custom resource nodes

I think FTM is the only way if you want regular objects to spawn

[calm nebula]

I figured previous management was okay with AI but new management seems to be true believers

Either that or the dude has a LinkedIn account

Not sure

[tiny zealot]

ah, but you repeat yourself

[rigid oriole]

I truly want this to be some other guys linkedin and twitter

Like fully unrelated

[lucid iron]

ichor what if farm animals can hat

[rigid oriole]

I wonder... do we give nexus mods a license to feed our content to ai?

Like already do we do that

[urban patrol]

is there a list or map of where NPCs stand and walk during the night market, similar to how there's the spreadsheet for the main festivals?

[gaunt orbit]

linkedin is such a wasteland my god

[rigid oriole]

The worst part is its necessary for a job lol

[gaunt orbit]

if I ever start making inspirational javascript posts on linkedin just put me down please

yeah it's so fucked

[tiny zealot]

night market (and saloon!) was on that same spreadsheet last i checked, but that was some time ago

[gaunt orbit]

I hate how much capitalist toe-sucking it involves

[rigid oriole]

Here's what my == vs === bug taught me about wedding etiquette 🚀

[lucid iron]

this has been broken for me for a while

[rigid oriole]

I saw someone with a tagline of "i want to connect with you, emotionally" and his whole post history was just gibberish and he's the only valid LinkedIn member

[lucid iron]

whenever i try it get stuck and eventually the first comment in the chain makes it

it was so useful

[gaunt orbit]

I did almost make a post using O(0) as a metaphor for not doing algorithmic work that doesn't need doing but then I realized that a) it was a terrible metaphor and b) might go above some people's heads

[urban patrol]

maybe i'm not looking in the right place :P i think it may have been vandalized at some point because there are a million tabs

[lucid iron]

i admit that i thought u said (O)0 weedses instead of O(0)

[pseudo vault]

Wouldn't that turn it into Ore?

This stuff is really confusing...

Please tell me it's easier to add it into the Mine's Tilling droptable.

[lucid mulch]

O(0) also works in teaching the weakness of O notation, in that O Notation only talks about how algorithms/systems scale based on the input, not on how long it actually takes
an O(1) algorithm that is shit can be slower than O(N!) particularly at sane values of N

[gaunt orbit]

I honestly feel that one of the most important aspects of performant programming is actually just assessing what assumptions you can and can't make, and when to restrict functionality in favor of computational corner-cutting

It's something that I think takes a lot of time and practice to get good at

[tiny zealot]

profiling is also good /lh (figure out where your bottlenecks actually are, then fix those first)

[gaunt orbit]

oh absolutely. That is such an obvious step that I forgot it wasn't self-evident

[lucid mulch]

(if only someone made a mod called Profiler to try to find the bottlenecks, it would help in troubleshooting performance problems)

[gaunt orbit]

it would be so nice to have but I doubt anyone would ever make such a thing. It's simply too hard. /jk

fr though profiler has been a great help for yelling at me for writing inefficient code identifying slowdowns in regular play

[lucid mulch]

profiler yells at itself sometimes as well don't worry

[gaunt orbit]

in mumps I had a feature that scanned the paths layer to gather information and it wasn't caching any of it so the mod overall added like a second of load time between rooms which was. not good

[lucid iron]

1s

[gaunt orbit]

it was like 800ms I think

[lucid iron]

i remember i used to do this (in early version of the mmap light tile prop stuff) but it wasnt that bad

specifically it scanned the front layer

[lucid mulch]

I don't mind performance spikes on warp or even infrequent button presses.
its timechanged or even updatetick(ing/ed) that I'm less happy with

[gaunt orbit]

yeah but cp added another 1900ms so overall there was like a 3s pause whenever I changed rooms, which was an active hindrance for things like buildings where you're frequently warping in and out

in my 1.6 pack neither of these things is an issue any more

in the case of CP I suspect it's at least partially because DSV uses Appearances now, and the sequel mod to mumps has a lot more and better caching going on

[lucid mulch]

the advantage warp has is that the lag spike is while its on a black screen anyway so feels less disruptive than your inputs suddenly not doing shit walkng in town or fighting mobs in the mine or fishing

a lag spike while fishing a hard fish is extremely frustrating

[lucid iron]

sometimes i wish automate had a warp only mode or smth

[lucid mulch]

I think currently I have a perf issue with chests anywhere doing some stuff in Rendered, I think for furniture names or something

not all of those 5-10ms blocks are chests anywhere

[lucid iron]

is it rendering for storage furniture?

[lucid mulch]

I really need to get around to rewriting this damn website, it deciding all the mods needing to be purple isn't useful

[lucid mulch]

idk but it happens when I'm just walking around, not with the interface open

[lucid iron]

weird

[lucid mulch]

chests anywhere does have functionality for doing tooltips which I think this might be?

[fathom hound]

Thank you! Didn't see this

[lucid mulch]

I also want better filters to help narrow down on the background noise rather than the huge but infrequent spikes, particularly when I do the silly thing of having Profiler start measuring GameRunner.Draw and thus spams the ever living daylight out of profiler

[lucid iron]

i appear 6 times on PlayerWarped

[pseudo vault]

Question, would this work to get Forage to spawn in the mines?

[lucid iron]

i wish profiler had better ways of breaking down cp pack problems though

or perhaps it does have the tools and i didnt set it up right

[lucid mulch]

it does with my builds of content patcher

[lucid iron]

unfortunately idk if i can give this to randos in mh

[lucid mulch]

Profiler cant do it from the outside due to the methods not being naturally called

MethodInfo apply = this
    .GetType()
    .GetMethod(nameof(this.ApplyPatchesToAsset), BindingFlags.Instance | BindingFlags.NonPublic)!
    .MakeGenericMethod(e.DataType);

apply.Invoke(this, [e, loaders, editors]);

[pseudo vault]

I don't understand the FTM commands... I can't find one for the mines.

[lucid mulch]

I keep up to date links in the profiler thread #1359454014319755294 message (now has a pinned message too to easily get to them)

[pseudo vault]

Maybe if I look at a vanilla item? How exactly does spawning Clay work? You Dig the ground it has a chance of giving clay?

[lucid iron]

a lot of this stuff is hardcoded in some way

you can perhaps try editing Data/Locations UndergroundMine tho

and iirc FTM does have some stuff for dealing with mines

[pseudo vault]

I think i am blind or just illiterate.

I can't find it...

[lucid iron]

https://github.com/Esca-MMC/FarmTypeManager?tab=readme-ov-file#forage-spawn-settings

MapName UndergroundMine perhaps? i am unsure

[pseudo vault]

Maybe I need to add all of these?

[lucid iron]

those r tilesheets

!unpack

[ocean sail]

Follow this guide to unpack the game's content files in order to see and explore how the game data is structured.
It's helpful when making your own mods, or just to learn about how the game works!

To use this command, type !unpack.

[lucid iron]

the tmx is what u want but cant see that until u unpacked

[pseudo vault]

I somehow did not read it correctly.

Wait. I think i am still not reading it correctly?

It has them for all seasons but only seperate

I can't find an option which includes all seasons in one

[lucid iron]

honestly i am not sure about this either

[pseudo vault]

This is incredibly confusing and difficult...

maybe a foraging modder could help.

[lucid iron]

you should prob avoid focusing too hard on the mines

they are very hardcoded

do the straightforward bits first

[pseudo vault]

I know, but this one single "foraging" item was only available in the Mines in harvest Moon Ds.

[lucid iron]

yes i understand but what if u just put it in the quarry

[pseudo vault]

I thought making it a forage in the mines would be easier than making it obtainable by tilling in the mines

[lucid iron]

thats an ordinary location

[pseudo vault]

Okay...

[lucid iron]

i know people do spawn things in the mines, but mostly ore nodes

[pseudo vault]

Yeah I am kinda weird

Or maybe Harvest Moon DS is weird

I am not looking forward to doing the Litter items and making the Branches and Stones be able to drop Stardew Valley materials

Will this work?
"Condition": "LOCATION_SEASON Quarry spring summer fall winter"

[lucid iron]

quarry is part of Mountain

[pseudo vault]

Oh.

[lucid iron]

and u can use LOCATION_NAME alone here psure

[pseudo vault]

Okay.

[daring skiff]

GitHub says I should post here to request the mod author role.

https://next.nexusmods.com/profile/DylanJames

[calm nebula]

@outer glacier cheeto dust requested ^^

[daring skiff]

You too.

[haughty charm]

Heya Dylan! Could you please add yourself to the list of modders on the Modding:Community wiki page ? You'll need to make a wiki account if you haven't already.

[daring skiff]

This one? (that link goes to .net and I get a permission error)
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Community#Modders

[haughty charm]

yes. sorry! I mistyped

[daring skiff]

I'm on it.

[haughty charm]

I'm not seeing your name in the table - you added yourself to it?

[daring skiff]

Oh, I'm sorry. I mean "I'm doing it right now" orz

[proud wyvern]

"i'm on it" also means "okay, doing that now"

yeah

[haughty charm]

lmao

[daring skiff]

[haughty charm]

Ok so I'm a little slow on the uptake tonight

[daring skiff]

No, me too.

[haughty charm]

You're good, Dylan - I just apparently need to unplug myself and plug myself back in

[daring skiff]

Done.

Should be at the bottom.

[rigid oriole]

nooooo, the alphabetization

congrats on ur soon-to-be cheetoness

[haughty charm]

achoo Congrats on the triple-coating of cheeto dust!

[daring skiff]

I wanted to be cool like Scarlett and Kantrip.

[haughty charm]

Welcome to our latest cheeto!

[daring skiff]

Excited to join a cult.

Thanks btw, logo!!

[haughty charm]

I'll fix the alphabetization.

[rigid oriole]

so many cheetooooooooooooo

[pseudo vault]

I need some help with fixing a different mod. A buddy is using it but the sprite change does not seem to work. in sublime it seems to say that it has an error. But the validator says it's all fine.

[half tangle]

I can't speak to why it's not working, but those are not the same file - the first with the highlighted red 0 twice does not write that as a string like in the validator example: "0"

[faint ingot]

does anyone happen to know where the images are in the unpacked files for the trinkets (frog / fairy etc)?

[pseudo vault]

I swear I did not do anything.

[half tangle]

TileSheets/Objects_2

(around the middle, in case you have trouble spotting them)

and companions if you wanted the actual companions

[faint ingot]

yep that's perfect thank you

[mighty ginkgo]

could the validator add the quotes when it formats the json?

[fossil osprey]

Most likely yes

[hard fern]

anyone know what this thing is

and uh, this?

[lucid iron]

Unused

The second one is probably a trinket icon given the position

[hard fern]

oh i thought so

[lucid iron]

The first one is pet license

But never shows in game

[calm nebula]

Is thar a box

With your pet in it

[hard fern]

It's The Creature

[calm nebula]

kailey please onyx in box pics

[calm nebula]

Cat

[hard fern]

Meow

[fathom hound]

[opaque sky]

How do I make the music play at a specific time of day? So far nothing working for me.

[lucid iron]

Don't do this please just use GSQ for the whole thing

Anyways if this is location music, you would need to enter the location at the valid times

[lucid mulch]

the cp when/update would need to be at the more outer layer anyway and not within your entry

[balmy valve]

:D

Kity!!

Back to making evebntgs

And when im doen with ebent

I am "done" with mod

(ready to be sent to the boys for playtesting)

[opaque sky]

Like this? Also, how can I superimpose the music onto every map, or is that impossible?

[royal stump]

as far as the condition goes, you'll need a comma between each query, and should generally remove any leading 0s on times:
"Condition": "SEASON Summer, TIME 800 1600"

(although I guess the time GSQ is fine with leading 0s, checking the code)

[balmy valve]

ugghhhhh i REALLY don't wanna give zero an eight heart event

because the ten heart event is a wedding >;[

Is it possible to make schedules take different priorities?

Like rain usually takes priority over friday, but friday is mail delivery day for zero and he gotta get dat mail out

[latent mauve]

You could probably use a when condition to change the rain entry for his schedule on Friday?

[tiny zealot]

(gsq conditions in schedule parsing when? /lh)

[idle lantern]

// Marlon
{
"Operation": "Append",
"Target": ["Fields", "Marlon", 1], // Loved
"Value": "Strawberry",
"Delimiter": " "
}

Inside the value, do I put the [ID] number or the full name, for the strawberry?

[balmy valve]

id dumber

number

eugh

[calm nebula]

Yeah, or just null it out Fridays only

https://github.com/atravita-mods/StardewMods/blob/8b628860030e16b6a143c70f9742844aad06685b/ContentMods/[CP] Demetrius Visits Farm Cave Redux/schedules.json#L12

[faint ingot]

I'm really confused. I have a sprite and portrait change I want to apply to the wizard, for the rest of the day after seeing an event. If I apply the patch without conditions, I can see that it works. However, when I use conditions it never applies. I have tried applying the conditions as part of the appearance conditions, and as content patcher conditions. I've tried making the condition having seen the event, or having a conversation topic that I set during the event. Simplified example that never works (but does if I take out the condition): { "Action": "EditData", "Target": "Data/Characters", "Fields": { "Wizard": { "Appearance": [ { "Id": "LAOSV_wizard_transformed", "Condition": "PLAYER_HAS_SEEN_EVENT Current {{ModId}}_RipleyWizard", "Sprite": "Characters/Wizard_LAOSV_Transform", "Portrait":"Portraits/Wizard_LAOSV_Transform", "Precedence": -999, } ] }, }, },

[tiny zealot]

NPCs only recheck their appearance conditions when they change locations, which the vanilla Wizard famously never does

[faint ingot]

Oh OK, I saw that information but misinterpreted that the appearance was applied when the farmer changed locations

dang

[calm nebula]

Npcs only change clothes when they warp

[faint ingot]

OK, I guess I can set the event to have the wizard be invisible and replace him with a stand-in but that will unfortunately prevent gifting

[calm nebula]

Mood

[rigid oriole]

Wizard never touches grass

[calm nebula]

They're a wizard. Do wizards need to touch grass

[rancid musk]

Wizard ponders grass

[rough lintel]

khloe! hello!

[rancid musk]

Hello~
-# I had to sneak out from my lair in programmers off topic to make a dumb joke

[balmy valve]

unless it's the junimo event, then it's a different kind of pondering and a different kind of grass 😔

[crude plank]

Do you have lots of gold in your lair

[rancid musk]

Piles of gold? In this economy?

I wish.

[uncut viper]

(i think it's a good idea personally)

[balmy valve]

I want to make an event in the Secret Woods. How get rid of the slimes?

[tiny zealot]

you shouldn't have to. events take place in a pocket dimension

[balmy valve]

Okay!

What about the stumps?

is there an event condition that relies on a quest being completed

[tiny zealot]

if the quest sets some other state (typically mail) flag, you can use that. otherwise the game doesn't really keep track of which quests you have completed

[balmy valve]

nOOO

hang on

can i make an invisible mail?

like mail that doesn't actually exist

[tiny zealot]

yes, the game does that all the time

[balmy valve]

Yippee!

[tiny zealot]

that's why we call them mail flags /lh

[balmy valve]

how do that

i can attach a quest to a letter but i wanna attach a letter to a quest

[tiny zealot]

depends on the quest and how you complete it

[balmy valve]

item delivery

something with mailRecieved i assume

[tiny zealot]

if it's a give-this-person-an-item quest, they probably talk to you, so you probably have to use a dialogue command ($action) to send the mail

[balmy valve]

ok!

do i have to edit data/mail? no, right? because there's no letter, just flag?

[tiny zealot]

yeah if you add it to data/mail then it will become a real mail that shows up in the mailbox (or in your collections page if you send it straight to received)

it can/will still work the same as a checkable flag though

[balmy valve]

okay!

[ivory plume]

(Update on the Nexus Mods acquisition: the new owners are officially Chosen, and they posted pinned FAQs under the original announcement. Don't scroll down to the other comments.)

[rigid oriole]

#1384246113472872459 is the containment thread i think

or rather just a "here it is all in once place" thread, not rly containment

that post truly did become a nightmare

[ivory plume]

Probably still good to summarize new developments here for those who aren't in the thread, then redirect discussion to the thread.

[sand timber]

Hi! I'm planning to make a mod that adds a new late-night TV channel (available only after 8:00 PM) after the player meets certain conditions, but I have no idea where to start. Could anyone point me in the right direction or share some advice?

[lyric lotus]

hello, does anyone know offhand what x and y, width and height the vanilla straw hat is in terms of FS .josn hats? i've done a tiny edit with ears on the straw hat and am just struggling to get the positions and w/h done. i'd really appreciate any help!

[brittle pasture]

you need a framework for adding new channels: https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/24278

[tender bloom]

I recommend going w 0 0 offset and 16x32 size to start w

And then using Fs_reload to tweak

[brittle pasture]

what you want (only after 8pm) doesnt seem to be supported however

you'd need to roll your own C#

[faint ingot]

You could point the mod to a certain image, and have a CP patch that edits the image after 8pm?

[sand timber]

Too bad the author didn’t get to finish the planned features. Thanks!

[tender bloom]

Before 8pm just have static?

[sand timber]

Thanks. Could you explain in more detail how that would work?

[brittle pasture]

the framework isnt a CP framework

that isn't possible

it uses its own content pack model

[tender bloom]

CP has an OnTimeChange frequency that lets you change what the image would look like at different in-game times but this only works if the mod dynamically fetches the image, even if was a CP framework (which apparently isn’t)

[brittle pasture]

learning C# is always an option

[sand timber]

Thanks a lot for all the suggestions! Can I ask C#-related questions here too ?

[brittle pasture]

most definitely

[sand timber]

[lyric lotus]

so i got the front in the right position but there's a hat at the bottom of the character and it's static front face no matter which way i turn my farmer.

[tender bloom]

How is your sheet laid out?

Do you have the hats vertically and arranged in a 16x16 grid? Because if you set it to pull from 16x32 but the hats are 16x16 then it will do this

[lyric lotus]

i think it's 16x72?

ok 16x16 fixed it

but it's still only facing one direction when i turn my character

[sand timber]

Did you add it with FS or JA?

[lyric lotus]

FS

[sand timber]

Would you mind sharing your JSON file?

[lucid iron]

(dont use JA please)

[sand timber]

Each direction (FrontHat, BackHat, LeftHat, RightHat) might need a slightly different Y value to align properly.

[lyric lotus]

align with the other angles?

it's stuck like this:

in the front facing-angle

so adjusting the Y value doesn't show

[balmy valve]

In an event i have two characters kissing but their sprites...don't align??

[ornate trellis]

did you try position offset

[balmy valve]

no i did not. hang on

[ornate trellis]

id suggest maybe looking at an event code that has kissing in it(tho off the top of my head idk any, hm)

[rigid oriole]

Maybe one where an npc kisses the farmer?

Like Haley dark room?

[balmy valve]

I think it's just Alta being "higher" than Zero by 1 pixel

[balmy valve]

I added the position offset and it broke the whole event so im just gonna reupload the spritesheets

[finite willow]

what programming language do yall use to code mods btw?

[trim sand]

so i just got a message on nexus about smapi 'warnings' so im trying to be sure somethings not wrong. the map edits in question are reliant on specific other content packs/specific config for said content packs being loaded/active before it places the fruit trees from said mods into the map. im just confused as to why its throwing a warning at all, since its supposed to not apply when the content/config is unavailible.

[lucid iron]

!startmodding

[ocean sail]

Making mods can be broadly divided into two categories:

• Content packs are formatted text files, and don't need any programming knowledge. They can add/edit NPCs, maps, new items, shops, and more. To get started, see the list of framework mods, the wiki tutorial for Content Patcher, and there might be relevant guides on the tutorial wiki.
• C# mods use programming code to change fundamental game mechanics. See getting started with C# modding.

Usually it’s easier to start with making content packs, since you don't need to learn programming.

To use this command, type !startmodding.

[rigid oriole]

Chu beat me

[lucid iron]

This error means nothing to us unless you show the when block

[trim sand]

i was hoping that wasn't needed. and it was just a 'hey this patch was skipped' in all cases.