making-mods-general

[golden delta]

it's not obvious where they are

let me try visual studio

[old edge]

I want to add lot's of moss stuff how can i DO that

[tender bloom]

Visual studio doesn’t work on a Mac

They discontinued it

(Meanies)

[old edge]

get linux on your mac it works

[golden delta]

isntalling

[proud wyvern]

it was awful anyway

[tender bloom]

It worked fine, rider seems a little nicer so far

[tender bloom]

I’d have to partition or abandon what’s there already, both of which are unpleasant sadly

[golden delta]

i'm trying to make a mod that can take the mouse-hover chinese character and display a modal with its translation and pinyin somewhere on the screen

does this sound feasible?

once i get things working. is this available by the game engine and the mod api?

[brittle pasture]

requires a bit of external integration, but yes

[tender bloom]

Yeah that seems possible, you might need to pull in some extra stuff

Mainly the translation aspect

[golden delta]

yeah i have some data store thing of the lookups

i'm going to do it without http stuff

[tender bloom]

Pinyin would probably be doable by lookups, but translation seems harder by lookup

[lucid iron]

The problem is chinese doesn't work like that

Source im fluent

[golden delta]

yeah just the character is fine for now

[tender bloom]

I mean it would work a little

[rigid oriole]

Does the game load multiple language fonts at once? E.g. english and chinese

[tender bloom]

The phrase thing would be annoying

[lucid iron]

It's a highly context sensitive language

[tender bloom]

I think the Chinese font can do Latin text

[golden delta]

then is a browser extension that's figured it out, without web requests

[tender bloom]

You might consider whether you want to do tones

[rigid oriole]

I remember playing in JP for a while, switching back to english, and then all the JP characters in my ranodmly-generated animal names were error chars

[tender bloom]

Since idk if that’s supported

The game can’t do that way (JP to ENG)

But Latin text is fallback I think

[rigid oriole]

makes sense, just wanted to make sure the game would have the font they need

[lucid iron]

Yeah the latin font has no support for cjk characters

I think font setting might fix it

[golden delta]

i'm mostly concerned about:

1. can i get a handle on what text character the cursor is over
2. i can display a modal arbitrarily on the screen

[tender bloom]

Like if I look up 難過 vs just one of those it’s gonna be very different is I think what chu is getting at

Displaying stuff on screen is easy, if not pretty

Determining what you’re over in the cursor is definitely possible but might require more work

There’s only finite draw code for text

[golden delta]

Does the game load multiple language fonts at once? E.g. english and chinese

oh i see what you're getting at

[lucid iron]

1 might be difficult but not impossible, perhaps something via patching drawtext to get vounds and i assume u just give up gamepad support

2 is ez

[proud wyvern]

best way i can think of is patching XNA/MonoGame's text drawing methods and manually calculating where each character is. and this won't work if any of that rendering is done to a render target

[lucid iron]

More specifically sdv just doesn't have any UI framework

[proud wyvern]

sounds unrealistic

[golden delta]

ouch

[lucid iron]

You call draw directly

And make it work

[tender bloom]

I mean the game has to calculate where to draw each letter

[proud wyvern]

the game doesn't

MonoGame does

[tender bloom]

From a brute force perspective the stuff is in there somewhere

[lucid iron]

Yeah i was talking about 2 (draw modal) with the understanding that 1 (find text bounds) is magically working perfectly

[tender bloom]

Fine, poking into monogame is possible too though. Maybe less painful to manually recalculate?

[golden delta]

so if you hover, can you get the full text (if not the character)?

[tender bloom]

There is no native support

No native function to call

[golden delta]

i wonder if this is easier with a unity game and BepInEx?

a mono game, not IL2CPP

[lucid iron]

Yeah this ain't like webdev where you have hover events

[tender bloom]

Chinese is pretty much fixed width, so recalculating might be easier

[lucid iron]

Do it yerself

[golden delta]

the first game i tried was basically hostile to modding

they packaged their global-metadata to stop modding

[tender bloom]

This game isn’t designed for modding but it’s not hostile to it either. What you are describing is just so different from the design paradigm of the game.

[lucid iron]

SDV is modding friendly it just that mr ape didn't have it any easier than us for menu things

[golden delta]

apparently cult of the lamb is friendly to BepInEx

[tender bloom]

There isn’t support for it because the game never needed any of that kind of thing

Not because it was purposely left out or obfuscated or anything

[golden delta]

have any idea for a good candidate game?

[tender bloom]

No idea

[golden delta]

i kind of just was interested in making a mod for learning

[tender bloom]

I don’t play other games

[golden delta]

i'm using OCR for it now

which works fine, but it's slow

[lucid iron]

Something that is possible is to get the active dialogue line being displayed

[golden delta]

right

[lucid iron]

And then show the translation box at a fixed place

[golden delta]

any game that gives me some kind of hover of a TextMesh or whatever equivalent

[tender bloom]

It would probably start to get into better suited for one of the off topic channels when talking about other games

[golden delta]

yeah true

[lucid iron]

There's no TextMesh

[golden delta]

Something that is possible is to get the active dialogue line being displayed

im fine with this

[lucid iron]

!decompile

[ocean sail]

If you want to make SMAPI mods with C#, one important resource is decompiling the game to read the game code. Here's how to do it: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/Get_Started#How_do_I_decompile_the_game_code.3F

To use this command, type !decompile.

[lucid iron]

Take a look at Dialogue and DialogueBox

[golden delta]

im fine with something messy like the entire text with just the pinyin all in a list

[lucid iron]

First thing is the parser (cursed) and second is the menu

[golden delta]

ok i have VS im going to try what was suggested

[proud wyvern]

it sounds kinda backwards to decide on a project like that first, without deciding on the right game for it

[calm nebula]

(Tbh I'm just doing trainchinese)

[harsh crystal]

does the body not actually support the scale modifier? or is it cached somehow
i added in the body as a shirt and it scaled there

[tender bloom]

I would not be surprised if the body doesn’t support the scale modifier but I don’t know offhand

Bodies are weird

I also wouldn’t be surprised if there is caching

[golden delta]

@ivory plume

[tender bloom]

Chu said there was something funny with the body having its own content cache or something?

[harsh crystal]

oh fun
how would i clear it if it exists

[golden delta]

is that expected?

[lucid iron]

Yeah FarmerRenderer has its own content manager iirc

[ivory plume]

I'm not sure how it happened, but you explicitly added nuget.smapi.io as a package source. You can remove it from that list to fix the error.

[golden delta]

ok removing

[lucid iron]

I know FS does have a body scale mod by peacefulend

[golden delta]

do i build this in the UI somehow?

[lucid iron]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/23740

[tender bloom]

Hmm, worth testing the example mod to see if it works

[lucid iron]

FS just takes over farmer renderer so it works

[harsh crystal]

hmm i saw that, it looks like it just changes the sprite height within the bounds?
i'm testing with something that's 256x256 (cuz im zesty) and trying to downscale it so it doesnt. do this LOL
(ft pokemon rebel trainer as my test subject)

[tender bloom]

You could read the source code to see whether body actually supports/uses scale

[harsh crystal]

what language is the sc in :? im fairly new to stardew modding and not familiar with the technical side yet
i think i saw someone meantion dotnet earlier though so if its c# i should be fine

[proud wyvern]

the game, SMAPI, and mods for it are in C#, yes

technically you can use stuff like F# or whatever, too

[golden delta]

something is caching this network mirror or source or whatever: 1>E:\DrewMods\MyHoverMod\MyHoverMod\MyHoverMod.csproj : error NU1301: Failed to retrieve information about 'Newtonsoft.Json' from remote source 'https://nuget.smapi.io/FindPackagesById()?id='Newtonsoft.Json'&semVerLevel=2.0.0'.

[harsh crystal]

oh
yea theres no scale property in the bodymodel.cs

[golden delta]

i removed the source, restarted IDE, checked again

maybe ill just delete everything and start again

[harsh crystal]

its in the docs though so i was Bamboozled

or. wait. maybe im looking in the wrong place

[sour sleet]

How can I remove this yellow text on the 1st of each season?

[lucid iron]

Does your Load target have tokens

[sharp field]

So it's been awhile. If I'm not mistaken, someone had created a tool to create mod manifest files. Anyone know the tool?

[lucid iron]

Mod manifest builder

https://github.com/KhloeLeclair/Stardew-ModManifestBuilder

[sharp field]

Thanks!

[sour sleet]

yep

[harsh crystal]

found a workaround, in that if i ust re label everything appropriately and put the bodymod in as an accessory it works

[lucid iron]

If you want to avoid the yellow then you can't do that

The reason why the asset cease to exist is because the token entered an unready state

[rigid musk]

If I do "PLAYER_HAS_MAIL Current MSB_Lewis MBS_Pierre Received", as a GSQ that would make it so that the condition triggers if the player has either mail, right?

[hallow prism]

i don't believe the GSQ accept multiple arguments

you will need to check the format on wiki, but i'm pretty sure the third argument is for now/received/tomorrow/any

you'll need the ANY for each check

[rigid musk]

Would that be two trigger actions then? One for the first letter and one for the second?

Because if I add it to the same GSQ it would require both to be sent at some point

[lucid iron]

You can use ANY

This would be like

[rigid musk]

but that would still require both mails to be in the queue for the mailbox, or already received

or am i misunderstanding that

[lucid iron]

ANY "GSQ 1" "GSQ 2"

[rigid musk]

Oh

[lucid iron]

Which gives u mail 1 true or mail 2 true or mail 1 and mail 2 true

Is that what you want

[rigid musk]

I see what you mean lol I was confused for a second because I thought you were referring to the ANY in the PLAYER_HAS_MAIL Gsq not the other one

thank you!

Where do I put that ? is it at the start of the "Conditions" field?

so like ANY "GSQ1", "GSQ2",

aka do they need commas

[hallow prism]

no, but they may need backslash

[rigid musk]

Thank you! I see how that's done on the Wiki so ill try that :)

[hallow prism]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Game_state_queries#Meta

ok! i was grabbing the link in case you hadn't it already

[rigid musk]

Yeah I was a bit confused because the first one (the example with the weather) has commas

so I wasn't sure if I needed them or not

er didnt have commas

but the second one did

wait no neither does
I ... may be a bit tired lol

[hallow prism]

the commas are here but inside a ... sub GSQ?

i don't know how to tell

like, it would be ANY "group of condition 1, that may have comma" "group of condition 2, that may have comma", whatever condition you want here that will always be needed

[rigid musk]

Thank you :3

It also confused me a bit / I couldn't tell

Hm.. is the ANY also supposed to be enclosed in quotes?

[hallow prism]

no

well

[lucid mulch]

GSQs parser is very quote aware.
The outer most layer is comma separated queries to join in an AND relationship.
Within those queries are space separated argument

[hallow prism]

it's in the "condition":"ANY whatever blablabla" quote

but not having quote in itself or in addition

[lucid mulch]

Spaces and commas inside the quotes don't count to the outer layer

[rigid musk]

I figured it out B)

"ANY \"PLAYER_HAS_MAIL Current MSB_Lewis Received\" \"PLAYER_HAS_MAIL Current MBS_Pierre Received\"",

it would look like this (at least its not throwing errors anyways so I think it looks like this)

[hallow prism]

looks ok at first glance

[rigid musk]

it worked! :D

[whole raptor]

What exactly is the difference between a normal map and a temporary one?

Like with changeLocation and changeToTemporaryMap

[calm nebula]

Change location changes to that locaiton

Change to temporary map changes to a location named Temp

That then loafs that map file

It's not actually that location

[sour sleet]

One of my NPC's has sent me their cooking recipe in the mail but I don't actually see anything other than the shadow in the collection tab. Any reason for this?

[whole raptor]

Ah, so it's so we can edit Temp with our map, without adding a new location?

[sour sleet]

Ok so I figured something must be wrong with my recipe data

Can anyone tell me what's wrong? "256 2 Lilybrook.Redacted 1 Carrot 1/25 5/Lilybrook.Redacted/f TracyLilybrook 4/{{i18n:Lilybrook.Redacted.Name}}"

I think I'm missing the yield field but I don't fully understand it

[rigid musk]

cooking recipe?

[sour sleet]

Yepp

[rigid musk]

I believe you don't need the i18n at the end? I think that just goes in the actual item data instead

so try removing that (and making sure the i18n token is in the object's data) and see if that works

[sour sleet]

I'm actually using the same i18n token for this recipe entry and the actual object. Maybe it's causing issues - will change now c:

[ornate trellis]

Here's one of my recipes as an example

"{{ModID}}_bakedredsnappercurry": "150 1 192 1 260 1/1 1/{{ModID}}_bakedredsnappercurry/none/{{i18n:VoidWitchCult.CP.TheFishmongerNPC.bakedredsnappercurry.Name}}",
Name/Ingredient/unused/yield/unlock condition/display name. Idk what this recipe is making but according to as it is now the yield would be "Lilybrook.Redacted"

[sour sleet]

sadly not working!

[rigid musk]

hmmm

[sour sleet]

what does the 1 1 mean?

[ornate trellis]

thats the unused one

[rigid musk]

doesnt do anything - yeah

[ornate trellis]

i just put 1 1 out of habit in all mine

[rigid musk]

yeah i do the 25 5 out of habit myself

technically you could just do //

[ornate trellis]

ye

since you use Lilybrook.Redacted as an ingredient your yield field which is the same is probs the issue

[rigid musk]

so when you say the recipe isnt working is it not being sent or does it show as like, a torch recipe

also its not actually that void

they just redacted the names of the object and recipe

[ornate trellis]

oh so its a placeholder

[rigid musk]

yeah they're keeping it secret xD

[sour sleet]

Ah fine I'll share it - it's confusing haha

[ornate trellis]

that makes it more confusing- yeah

[sour sleet]

"8BitAlien.Lilybrook_TomatoSoup": "256 2 Lilybrook.Onion 1 Carrot 1/25 5/Lilybrook.TomatoSoup/f TracyLilybrook 4/{{i18n:Lilybrook.TomatoSoup.Name}}"

[rigid musk]

is the internal name of your npc actually "TracyLilyBrook" or does it have your mod id

because that would be causing the issue

ohhh

[sour sleet]

it's actually TracyLilybrook

[rigid musk]

your recipe yield needs to be the same as your first part

so it would be 8BitAlien.Lilybrook_TomatoSoup, not just Lilybrook.TomatoSoup

[ornate trellis]

yes

we got a winner

[sour sleet]

Ohh ok! Will try that now

Nope, still nothing 😦

The name of my object is actually Lilybrook.TomatoSoup, so I should actually be changing my entry key instead?

[latent mauve]

Is Lilybrook.Onion the correct ID for the ingredient?

Your key should match your object data.

[rigid musk]

Oh yeah

If the object is called Lilybrook.TomatoSoup the entry and output need to be Lilybrook.TomatoSoup

[sour sleet]

Yay, that seems to work, thanks everyone I have one last question. I have added other food items and they have a shadow on the cooking tab even though I don't want some to have a recipe. How do I remove these?

[rigid musk]

That should only happen if you gave them recipe data

also yippie! :D

mmm i could go for some nice tomato soup right now

[sour sleet]

They only have object data rn

They have Type:Cooking but I assumed all food had that lol

[latent mauve]

You are absolutely certain you haven't given anything with their object ID a Data/CookingRecipes entry? I mean, you could try giving it the Basic type but I don't know that it should matter.

[sour sleet]

I'm certain. I only learned how to do Recipe Data today haha

[latent mauve]

Sorry, my phone refuses to spell today

[rigid musk]

hmm thats odd cause I do definitely have foods for qi that dont show in the cooking tab... i htink

[brittle pasture]

make them Type Basic

[sour sleet]

Ooo will try doing that now

[brittle pasture]

you'd also need to change their category to anything but -7

[latent mauve]

Honestly I don't know that I have ever given my custom objects a Type that wasn't Basic

I usually just make the context tags do the job of labeling them

[brittle pasture]

Type is kinda a relic, but some of the game code still checks them

though most of them also checks category

[sour sleet]

Nope, they're still there

Ohhh

I will change the category now

[brittle pasture]

yeah sorry I was busy checking source code to see if the category change was needed lol

[sour sleet]

None of the categories fit haha

[brittle pasture]

if you have spacecore you can override the category text

[sour sleet]

I might try -17

[brittle pasture]

actually -25 also gets written as "Cooking"

[sour sleet]

Oh I will use that then

[latent mauve]

Ingredients are still edible

[brittle pasture]

(also, huh, -25 exists)

[latent mauve]

Which is -25

[brittle pasture]

(it is not used in vanilla anywhere)

(how long has that been there, goodness)
(is it introduced solely so mods can add "Cooking" items that doesn't count towards Perfection)

[sour sleet]

Yay that worked 😄

[zealous rivet]

I'm sorry to bother you, but could you show me an example? I'm a little dumb

[rigid musk]

You're not a bother at all!

https://smapi.io/json/none/3f90bd076e544b5f93e8a96fc6187996

Here's an example of me doing something similar, though the only thing I changed is the response

(which, i realize i can do with dyamic tokens, but i didnt know how dynamic tokens were made when doing this and i dont wanna redo it so... phooey on that)

maybe ill do that actually... less patches is better i think

[whole raptor]

Chu corrupted me... now when I see something like this I immediately get the urge to use LocalTokens

[rigid musk]

local tokens...

well ive already dynamic-tokened-it up so im not even gonna look at that

[zealous rivet]

Thank you!

[rigid musk]

I was already corrupted into using dynamic tokens

i cannot deal with more corruption

[rigid musk]

Of course!

[lucid iron]

Local tokens are just dynamic tokens but for 1 include

[rigid musk]

does that mean im already doing it

the corruption is inevitable i guess

[lucid iron]

Not unless you have LocalTokens somewhere

[rigid musk]

oh well

I'm doing it in my own special way ✨✨

[lucid iron]

https://github.com/Mushymato/TrinketTinker/blob/main/[CP] Pack Possum and Critter Cages/content.json#L54

You define the token here

[calm nebula]

Ternary when chue

[sour sleet]

But that's the good thing about modding. There are several ways of doing things

[calm nebula]

I need ternary

[lucid iron]

Then u use https://github.com/Mushymato/TrinketTinker/blob/main/[CP] Pack Possum and Critter Cages/data/opossum-hire.json

[lucid iron]

Isn't If already ternary

[calm nebula]

If?

In a token?

[lucid iron]

The trigger action

[calm nebula]

No, I meant ternary in local token

[lucid iron]

Ah a token

Why r u ask me for this

[faint ingot]

Is there a way to take a stat that I increment from time to time and put it in a piece of event dialogue?

[calm nebula]

I want hellish ternaries in local tokens

[lucid iron]

Yeah tokenized string i think

[calm nebula]

Why

[lucid iron]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Tokenizable_strings

[FarmerStat <key>]

I'm assuming they work in event dialogue, haven't tried

[rigid musk]

do you define them similarly to dynamic tokens... I shouldnt look at this i think ill make myself insane

[lucid iron]

Not really you get "TokenName": "Thing"

Cus the point is to use this within a patch which may already have a When

[rigid musk]

ah i see i see

[drowsy pewter]

what? does it work?

[faint ingot]

That worked perfectly, thank you!

[rigid musk]

Is there a reason why a spouse would stand facing to the left while at the kitchen

I don't know why he started doing that and I have no clue what i changed to make him do that

[brittle pasture]

I don't see it being checked for anything cooking related, so... mayhaps?

[scarlet ether]

Is there/does anyone have: an annotated reference sheet for, firstly, the user interface (e.g. where all the parts are used in-game like the hotbar/hotbar selector/inventory menu), and secondly, (just curious for this one) for the town/outdoors tilesheets that notes what things are and/or used for?

[rigid oriole]

someone may prove me wrong but i'd be VERY surprised if the interface had any in-depth user-created documentation at all

(please prove me wrong, that'd be pretty neat)

[scarlet ether]

sad. 😦

[rigid oriole]

what are you trying to accomplish?

[scarlet ether]

Mostly I just want to make it easier to modify the look of the UI. Since I separate all the UI pieces into separate layers in order to facilitate easier editing down the line, naming the layers with what they are/where they're used is very helpful.

If no one has notes, I'll just have to make my own. I'm just lazy. 😛

[rigid oriole]

Oh for UI recolors?

[scarlet ether]

Yeah, but I'm also redrawing some of the elements to make it more flat/minimalistic.

[tender bloom]

I think there's a resource to help show what bits to recolor

But idk that it's that extensive

[scarlet ether]

Yes, this one is the most recent resource. Very helpful if all you're doing is changing colors. No need to know what everything is used for specifically.

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/23044

[lucid mulch]

LocalTokens can be put on any patch directly as well, its just that when putting them on Include its inheritable

    {
      "LogName": "Aquarium Fishes",
      "Action": "EditData",
      "Target": "Data/AquariumFish",
      "Entries": {
        "Lumisteria.MtVapius_Sturgiant": "0/fish/////{{AquariumFishTexture}}",
        "Lumisteria.MtVapius_AlpineCharPrince": "1/fish/////{{AquariumFishTexture}}",
        "Lumisteria.MtVapius_WhiteVendace": "2/fish/////{{AquariumFishTexture}}",
        "Lumisteria.MtVapius_VapiusRoach": "3/fish/////{{AquariumFishTexture}}",
        "Lumisteria.MtVapius_MossyCrayfish": "4/crawl/////{{AquariumFishTexture}}",
        "Lumisteria.MtVapius_AlpineChar": "5/fish/////{{AquariumFishTexture}}",
        "Lumisteria.MtVapius_CrystalFish": "6/fish/////{{AquariumFishTexture}}",
        "Lumisteria.MtVapius_GiantCrystalFish": "7/fish/////{{AquariumFishTexture}}",
        "Lumisteria.MtVapius_RainbowPerch": "8/fish/////{{AquariumFishTexture}}",
        "Lumisteria.MtVapius_LeafyTrout": "10/fish/////{{AquariumFishTexture}}",
        "Lumisteria.MtVapius_PlanetFish": "11/fish/////{{AquariumFishTexture}}",
      },
      "LocalTokens": {
          "AquariumFishTexture": "Mods\\Lumisteria.MtVapius\\AquariumFishes"
      }
    },

(I picked a random patch with repeated content and did it)

[lucid iron]

this is true tho i feel like it is not any different

[valid folio]

Hello, could you guide me on how I can make this mod? I translated it into Spanish, but now I wanted to reinstall it and the author deleted it. The only way I can think of is using a recipe, but the original mod was exactly the same object that you obtained through a mini quest to get the recipe and craft the drink, which was a loved gift by everyone, just like the original Stardrop Tea.

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/30531

[lucid iron]

well the stardrop tea is just an object

you would make a cooking recipe for it, though idk the details of this mini quest so you will have to summon it from memory

[rigid musk]

you can make a recipe for the object that already exists

like chu said wouldnt know how to help with the quest stuff since we dont know the details of said quest

[valid folio]

I’ll skip the mini quest and have the Traveller sell it hahaha—it’s easier. It will have a high price, of course.

[rigid musk]

there's also a pretty cool mod that lets you brew it from a custom tea crop - it also does a few other things, it was made by Anaira :) https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/32584

[valid folio]

It looks interesting, and I could also translate it into Spanish. Still, I’d like to try making the mod so I can learn something new.

[rigid musk]

Of course! I definitely think you should do it anyways! :D

[lucid iron]

!twocakes

[ocean sail]

If you discover that someone has made or is making a mod with a similar concept to yours, don't stress! Our community promotes the idea of "two cakes", where two versions of the same idea can peacefully co-exist. Your mod will have your own unique stamp on it that makes it special.

To use this command, type !twocakes.

[rigid musk]

If you're wanting to make a recipe and add it to the Traveling cart shop -

YEAH

[rigid musk]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Recipe_data
and
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Shops
will be helpful for you!

[valid folio]

Actually, I could do this: make the Stardrop Tea mod with just the recipe, obtainable from the Traveller, and add a link to the “Star Crops and Galaxy Rainbow Trees - Stardrop Tea Ancient Starfruit Fruit Sapling Mod,” mentioning that if anyone wants something more complete, they can try that mod.

What really interests me is trying to make the mod haha. Not to mention, I’m also going to translate Anaira’s mod. By the way, her nickname sounds familiar, I’ll check if I haven’t translated something for her before.

[rigid musk]

She's made a fair few cool mods!

[valid folio]

Yep, thanks

[valid folio]

Yes! I was going to translate this mod for her, but there was nothing to translate haha. I’ll redeem myself by translating her Stardrop Tea and Crops mod haha.

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/27023?tab=files

And this mod I traslated it to her
https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/24426

[boreal pulsar]

Hi everyone
If I understand correctly the wiki, in order to add a new mail to the mailbox I have to call Game1.mailbox.add() containing the unique key of that mail. from what I found the default mails are stored in Content\Data\Mail.xnb
how can I add new mails toh? do I create another content/data/mail.xnb or what

[tender bloom]

Most people use content patcher to add a new mail to Content/Data/Mail

Using an EditData action

[sour sleet]

How do you make a furniture piece that acts like an archway? So there is collision on some tiles and you can walk through the middle

[lucid mulch]

when in C# if you want to edit an asset (like Data/Mail) you can do it via the AssetRequested event
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/APIs/Content#Edit_a_dictionary

[hard fern]

I... Hm ive never seen something like that

🤔

[tender bloom]

I think you need a framework

Maybe ask chu

[hard fern]

Is it even possible without-

I don't think regular cp can do it at least

[tender bloom]

I feel like chu was up to something with collision

[vernal crest]

Chu just made a thing that can do that, it's going into calcifer at some point maybe

[tender bloom]

No, regular CP can't yeah

[sour sleet]

Ahh okee

[tender bloom]

I am not familiar enough with furniture framework to say whether it has anything

[sour sleet]

On a related note, how can you add furniture that has a front layer too, like a sofa?

Can that be done with an EditData alone?

[hard fern]

Wdym like a front layer 🤔 for what

[sour sleet]

Like, I want the player to be able to walk behind it and it not have collision there

[hard fern]

I think normal furniture already can do that by just editing the collision boxes though

[sour sleet]

When editing Data/Furniture?

[latent mauve]

When you edit your furniture, there's a reference for where the front layer is located.

[sour sleet]

Would BoundingBoxSize be relevant here?

[hard fern]

Im like confused too bc i thought you could already walk behind furniture

If it's Tall

[brittle pasture]

you can specify furniture hitboxes that are smaller than their texture
what you can't do is have furniture that goes XOOX where O is walkable but X is not

[tender bloom]

just add a Front texture with the same name of the furntirue texture

but with front in front of the name

[sour sleet]

Ahh ok, I will try doing that. Will it automatically draw it?

Or do i need to specify it's the front texture?

[tender bloom]

it automatically looks

[latent mauve]

Make sure your front texture lines up with where the furniture will be on the normal asset.

[sour sleet]

Ok, thanks. Will try now c:

[sour sleet]

I don't understand what I'm doing at all lol. Is there a different way?

[rigid musk]

so for front textures you have your two pngs right

here let me get you an example with my furniture yeah

[sour sleet]

Thanks Lily c:

[rigid musk]

first we got the two pngs here, the furniture file and then the furniture file with Front at the end

[latent mauve]

in vanilla, you have for example, furniture and furnitureFront

[rigid musk]

Then in the "Front" file, at the same tile(s) that your furniture is on you put the part that you want to draw in front there

if that makes sense

[latent mauve]

So I think the suggestion earlier to put Front in the beginning of the name was technically just wrong spot

[tender bloom]

yeah sorry

[rigid musk]

(without the shadows cause then itll draw the shadows twice and look funny when you sit on it)

[sour sleet]

Ok, I follow all the part about the pngs, but I'm confused about how to code it in

[tender bloom]

i remembered wrong about the name

just use Load on the other png

[rigid musk]

no code

[latent mauve]

Load it as a Target

[rigid musk]

it automatically does it

[tender bloom]

the game automatically looks for it

[rigid musk]

you dont even have to load the front png iirc

i am aliar

[latent mauve]

(Load both)

[rigid musk]

you do have to laod the front one lmao I just didnt remember doing it

[sour sleet]

Thanks all!

[rigid musk]

happy to help! :D

[round timber]

so with doing island resort stuff for an NPC, do you need to do anything beyond dialogue, sprites, and the CanVisitIsland setting in the disposition?

[tiny zealot]

i think that's all you need

[round timber]

gotcha

[lucid iron]

did u want island outfit

that one needs a Data/Characters appearances edit

[tiny zealot]

i included that in "sprites"

[vernal crest]

You can do animations if you want to as well

[boreal pulsar]

Mhh, the thing I don't have a static list of mails
Basically every start of the season I generate a quest. The quest is delivered through a mail, which is named "quest name + number of questa done so far" and it contains a simple description (stored in the quest data) + key to activate the quest being tracked

Would it work anyway if I edit it through asset requested any time I generate a new quest? Or maybe there's a better way

[boreal pulsar]

Forgot to select the message

[rigid musk]

How do you choose where they go when they go to the island

like standing and such

[round timber]

hmm i was under the impression that just having the file be called NPCName_beach automatically made it an island outfit

is that no longer true?

[vernal crest]

No you're right it is true

Only Winter outfits require Appearance data

[vernal crest]

You don't :D

[rigid musk]

wh..

[tiny zealot]

(you can prohibit them from doing certain activities which require a matching animation, by not providing the animation. but that's all the control you have)

[vernal crest]

Island schedules are hardcoded

[lucid iron]

why would B) go to the island resort when he has a darker cooler resort

[rigid musk]

I was thinking about it for Honey but sending Qi to the resort would be pretty funny...

[lucid iron]

oh no

[calm nebula]

Yessss

[rigid musk]

I do have the power to do such a thing

Will i ? remains to be seen

[sour sleet]

Doesn't seem to be loading the front png. Is this right? { "LogName": "Load Furniture", "Action": "Load", "Target": "Mods/{{ModId}}/Furniture", "FromFile": "Assets/Items/Furniture.png" }, { "LogName": "Load Furniture Front", "Action": "Load", "Target": "Mods/{{ModId}}/FurnitureFront", "FromFile": "Assets/Items/FurnitureFront.png" },

[round timber]

wait whomst is Honey

[rigid musk]

Also chu im sorry but I won't be uploading the 1.2 update with the Nyapu portraits - they might take a while for permissions and there are a fair few important bug fixes I need to release -

Oh! Honey is gonna be my Apple Orchard NPC :)

[round timber]

ooh

[rigid musk]

they're lovely I think, I commissioned Pau to make portraits of them

[round timber]

i ask because my NPC is named Honeyfuggle LOL

[rigid musk]

Honey's name is Honey because... Honey Crisp apple

#1339494839724539925 message

Look at them <3 I love them <3

[round timber]

oh wow i love those portraits

gorgeous!!

[lucid iron]

crisp

[rigid musk]

I really gotta get started on making their sprites but I hhhhhate sprite making

Honey Crisp and Cosmic Crisp (Cosmic is their cat)

What if I named the orchard Crisp Orchard... then I wouldn't have to think too hard about names... I think I will

[round timber]

you and me both

[lucid iron]

someone give me a tile action to make

[rigid musk]

u click on tile it gives you 10000 qi gem /j

although clicking on a tile and getting currency sounds kinda neat

[lucid iron]

thats in BETAS already

[rigid musk]

i dont know the documentation of everything chuuu im just a little guy

[calm nebula]

Build me a stock market plz

[rigid musk]

wHEEZE

[calm nebula]

Oh

[lucid iron]

is ferngill simple economy too simple for you atra

[calm nebula]

And I'll need snap implemented

[lucid iron]

ferngill advanced economy

[rigid musk]

Not SNAP HAhah

[crude plank]

Ferngill expert economy

[rigid musk]

Ferngill Proficient Economy - not to be confused with Ferngill Intermediate Economy

[calm nebula]

The stock market needs options, futures, and also margin

[lucid iron]

idk what a money is

[calm nebula]

Games top 🚀

[calm nebula]

Perfect!

[rigid musk]

does BETAS have a tileaction that resets every day where you can go and click on it and it gives you something? like a once a day tile action? (it probably does, i should probably just go look at what it does to see...)

[lucid iron]

no but spacecore does

kind of

[calm nebula]

More serious, tile action that allows travel in only one direction

Like a Pokémon cliff

[lucid iron]

ah the fabled bridge...

spacecore tile trigger action -> do the thing in a mark as applied -> unapply it at end o day

u can randomize which trigger action you get using a {{Random}}

i looked at how wall paper and flooring work and took 2d6 blunt damage

[calm nebula]

Oh chue the internet told me

In canada

It is legal to grab a pigeon off the street

And keep it as a pet

Implant in stardew plz

[lucid iron]

https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/services/migratory-birds-legal-protection/convention-act.html

r u sure

[calm nebula]

No

[rigid musk]

tile action to change the weather or time

i dunno i actually never thought of what tile actions id want in the game

[sour sleet]

Ok, so I've definitely loaded the front png in. Do I need to do anything else?

[calm nebula]

Okay a pigeon isn't migratory

[rigid musk]

is it not working still?

[calm nebula]

What about an action that changes your daily luck

[rigid musk]

ooohh random luck...

maybe one that adds random daily luck?

llike a little lucky statue...

[sour sleet]

Nope, it's all having collision still

[lucid iron]

thats just AddBuff

[rigid musk]

Collision? as in you're walking into it?

Cause that doesn't have to do with the furniture drawing over itself that has to do with what you set the bounding box to

[lucid iron]

you need a mod to make furniture conditionally not have collision

[sour sleet]

Ahh ok, I will see about changing the bounding box. I will let you know if it worksss

[lucid iron]

either furniture framework of this thing i just made https://github.com/Mushymato/MiscMapActionsProperties/blob/main/docs/furniture-properties.md

[sour sleet]

Wait. So it's not just possible with CP alone? I am trying to add a fence like item and i want the player to be able to walk behind it

[lucid iron]

vanilla only lets u have rectangle shaped bounding boxes, tho it can be different than the texture source rect

why dont u just add a fence then

[sour sleet]

Because I don't want it to act like a fence

[lucid iron]

but ill clarify

[sour sleet]

I want it to be more like decor

[lucid iron]

"WizardStudy": "WizardStudy/decor/3 3/3 1/1/999/-1/[LocalizedText Strings\\Furniture:WizardStudy]/46/TileSheets\\wizard_furniture/true/collection_wizard",

u see the 3rd and 4th slash deliminated field?

[sour sleet]

Yup

[lucid iron]

3 3 is the texture bounds (in 16px tiles)

3 1 is the collision bounds

so in the game u can walk behind the wizard study

[sour sleet]

Ahhhh

Ok I'm understanding now

[lucid iron]

what game won't let u do is like

XOX

where u get to walk through the O

and u also cant make a rug have collision

[rigid musk]

which is very sad <<

[sour sleet]

Fr

[lucid iron]

but now u can

[sour sleet]

Ok I'm following now yay haha

[lucid iron]

technology! https://github.com/Mushymato/MiscMapActionsProperties/blob/main/docs/furniture-properties.md

[rigid musk]

My Stardew Foliage mod would be so much better if I could (with just content patcher i dont wanna use more im so laaaaaazy chu)

[lucid iron]

i believe FF has this feature too

[vernal crest]

Hmmm I am trying to use a dynamic token for chance and precedence here but CP doesn't like it. Can I just not use a token here? I thought I could use them anywhere.

{ //Location: Secret Woods
            "LogName": "Adding Secret Woods fish...",
            "Action": "EditData",
            "Target": "Data/Locations",
            "TargetField": [
                "Woods",
                "Fish"
            ],
            "Entries": {
                "{{ModId}}_LunarSalmon": {
                    "ItemId": "{{ModId}}_LunarSalmon",
                    "Condition": "LOCATION_SEASON Here summer fall, WEATHER Here sun",
                    "Chance": {{LunarSalmonChance}},
                    "Precedence": {{LunarSalmonPrecedence}}
                },
}

[lucid iron]

can u show us the token

oh

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/pull/1108

congration u are patient number 4 or so

[sour sleet]

Ok it's still not working. It will only let me walk to here

[rigid musk]

can you show us the furniture data,

[lucid iron]

spawn new one just in case?

[vernal crest]

Wow I did not understand anything SinZ wrote in that PR lol

[rigid musk]

oh yeah did you spawn a new one--

[lucid iron]

aba ur problem is that in current version of content patcher this is no good

"{{ModId}}_LunarSalmon": { "something": "{{token}}" }

[sour sleet]

Yayyyy

[rigid musk]

the old furniture items don't do the thing when you update them (I had the same thing happen to me where I had one of my night stands not rotating because i forgot to add the rotations, and then i fixed it and it still wasn't rotating and i was very very confused)

[sour sleet]

Haha that worked

[lucid iron]

sinz PR fixes this bug

[sour sleet]

Thanks all - you're the best

[vernal crest]

Is this the token in key and value problem?

[rigid musk]

wait why doesn't that work O:

[lucid iron]

backend spaget reasons

its not intentional

[rigid musk]

mmm ... code spaget

[gray bear]

when the issue is furniture the answer is more furniture

[vernal crest]

Could it be fixed by just removing the modid token then?

[rigid musk]

I feel like ive made things with tokens like that before and they worked... but maybe its not the same thing and is something unrelated i dunno

[lucid iron]

maybe

although hm i thought mod id is fine actually

since it is a invariant token

can u patch export Data/Locations and see what actually got edited in?

[lucid mulch]

at first glance that doesn't look like the issue

[lucid iron]

yea modid was one thing thats ok right, i just forgor

[lucid mulch]

the entry key is allowed tokens and is serialized separately from the inner contents.
(also ModId being immutable means it just gets baked in immediately)

[vernal crest]

It never actually applies the patch because it says it is invalid json

[lucid mulch]

you don't have quotes around Chance and Precedence values

[vernal crest]

Because it doesn't have quote marks around the token, maybe? But then adding quote marks breaks it in a different way

Because it can't have quote marks because the type is double

[lucid iron]

cp handles that tho

[vernal crest]

Without quote marks: https://smapi.io/log/f6d40b0248194717a620629aa4bb4a2b
With quote marks: https://smapi.io/log/908403ffd0c241b0957474902d7992ca

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.2.1 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows 11 Pro, with 27 C# mods and 18 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

Log Info: SMAPI 4.2.1 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows 11 Pro, with 27 C# mods and 18 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[rotund elm]

mi log XD

[lucid iron]

oh did u want a {{query: }}

[vernal crest]

Oh wait

This is because he wrote the token wrong isn't it

[lucid iron]

idk why u r mult by 1 tho

[lucid mulch]

Whats the value of {{LunarSalmonChance}}

if the contents aint a number you are going to have a problem

[rotund elm]

0.1

is how the values are set

[vernal crest]

The contents are meant to be a number

[rotund elm]

this is the query

[vernal crest]

Yes this is on me for not checking how he wrote the tokens

[lucid mulch]

throw an extra layer of brackets around those

the value of a dynamic token I don't think is implicitly a token

[rotund elm]

{{Query: ?

I seeeee

[vernal crest]

Thank you chu and sinz

[rigid oriole]

i empathize with this

[lucid mulch]

For the Reference issue, the patch needs to be more like

{
    "Action": "EditData",
    "Target": "{{PATH}}/Data",
    "Entries": {
         "SimpleDictionary": {
            "UntokenisedKey_SimpleDictionary": "{{PATH}}/String",
            "{{KEY}}_SimpleDictionary": "{{PATH}}/String"
        }
    }
}

where the contents of the entry has a key and value both doing tokenized strings that aren't immutable.
if the value is a object/array/etc its fine, the value needs to be a string

and same thing with fields, but needs to be after the two layers of keys first (one to select the entry, second to select the field)

[lucid iron]

Hm i wonder if i can just spawn a SuspensionBridge

[faint ingot]

Can someone tell me the default ambient light value I should use for outdoor daytime? I have an event where I alter the ambient light and I'm having trouble changing it back afterwards so that it matches what it looked like at the start.

[rigid oriole]

Is there an advantage/disadvantage to using the builtin SMAPI reflection helpers vs harmony's AccessTools?

[boreal pulsar]

Im not sure if I understand how this whole thing works in Stardew. Do I have to save my custom letters to the game, so whenever the game loads back it has those templates stored to load back received letters? Or does it need them only the time I send a letter?
I'm asking this because my mod doesn't have a static list of letters, but they are randomly generated (both ID and content) so I can't write a list of them to store.
Currently I'm using an aassetRequested event in c# to edit an asset but I'm not sure its the correct way.

From what I've seen I do receive a mail but it's completely empty (couldn't check more to maybe the issue is somewhere else, had to go)

[lucid iron]

The smapi ones get cached i think?

[rigid oriole]

the cache i did see

[lucid iron]

I don't think there's other meaningful differences

AccessTools is more powerful in general too

I still have no clue how to get a Property's getter with other reflection things weh

[rigid oriole]

honestly I just care to read a protected field right now but the SMAPI cache is probably worth if this gets called every draw tick

[tender bloom]

that seems like a reasonable thing to do, I don't know why you're getting a blank mail. I suspect the issue is with the mail format in that case.

[rigid oriole]

A harmony traverse might also do the same thing if i don't keep constructing it over and over

[boreal pulsar]

Thanks, I'll try debugg it when I get back, maybe the content gets lost somewhere along the way

[lucid mulch]

SMAPI's has some guard rails on it to not let you reflect into smapi itself

found that out the hard way

[proud wyvern]

does it?

i've been doing that fine

[lucid mulch]

using smapi's ReflectionHelper class?

[proud wyvern]

oh yeah, i'm not using that

sorry, missed the context

[lucid mulch]

was like the one time I wanted to be good and use the caching stuff, and got bit for using it on smapi

[proud wyvern]

i usually cache reflection stuff myself

[lucid mulch]

if we got a newer .NET version I don't think the cache would even be needed

[proud wyvern]

i don't think that's ever happening

unless SMAPI starts bundling its own .NET runtime

[lucid mulch]

having access to https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.runtime.compilerservices.unsafeaccessorattribute?view=net-9.0 would be fun, where you just tell the compiler to expose the private shit on your behalf and skip reflection entirely

I think at some point SMAPI should bump the .NET version, smapi already is installed via an installer that could ensure an up to date .NET runtime is installed.

does require some low level reworks to have StardewModdingAPI.exe/dll to be in a different folder to StardewValley.exe and then do the corresponding changes in the asset pipeline and audio stack to still know how to find the Content folder correctly

I had a poc at some point that had it working (except the audiostack)

but I doubt vanilla is ever going above .NET 6 due to dropping compatibility for win7, despite the fact Steam and GOG both already dropped it first

since SMAPI is the actual executable that runs, it doesn't need to be version parity with vanilla and can be a newer version.
a .NET 9 assembly can load a .NET 6 library perfectly fine

[past knot]

One more thing about maps. This map wont have a door, but kind of a cave entry that leads to the npc room. can i still use the lockeddoorwarp property?

[vernal crest]

If you want to. It might be better to be an Action Warp or even a TouchAction though since presumably you don't want the door sound?

[rigid oriole]

Any thoughts on why _reflectionHelper.GetField<float>(Game1.specialCurrencyDisplay, "currentPosition").GetValue() throws an error for the field not existing? I've got a check before this to make sure Game1.specialCurrencyDisplay isn't null. the SpecialCurrencyDisplay class definitely has this field as per the image. Similar issues existed when I tried to use Harmony traverses. Listing out all the fields on the traverse instance listed fields with names that don't even show up in my decompile

what reflection concept am I missing?

[woeful lintel]

Yeah, no problem. We can also discuss anything in https://discord.com/channels/137344473976799233/1340345659642875915 if you want input from users

[faint ingot]

I have an event that uses Chu's mmap framework to create a texture/panoramic effect 'beneath the map' (similar to the summit). This is working wonderfully however that map also has an event take place there, and I'm struggling to find a replacement method for the normal fade option of globalFade/viewport -1000 -1000, since moving the viewport off the map is no longer a black screen but the under-map texture. I also tried changeLocation between the two commands but he snap back from fade is still clearly there. Any ideas?

[woeful lintel]

A dumbass put spaces in the keys of the FF json format, is there a way to format the data model properties so that NewtonsoftJson can parse a json with space in keys to the data model directly? Like writing the same names without spaces or replacing spaces with underscores?
I know I can make a simple JsonConverter that does this, I was just wondering if it was possible to skip it.

[past knot]

Okay so i might have gotten ambitious. Is there a tutorial on items/objects, and how to add buffs to an edible object?

[old edge]

Yes

On item eaten

[sturdy wyvern]

i am making a texture replacement mod for a mod, in the original mod some of the assets are load only when a token set via a configschema is true. for the texture replacement i am using EditImage, so i am wondering would my patch effect the original patch or how would i go about inherting the config schema from the original mod?

[old edge]

Use priority property

[proud wyvern]

is your decompile outdated

i don't see that field in the decompile repo

[old edge]

Oh the config schema you have to apply the same one to your mod I think.

[rigid oriole]

I sure hope not hold on

well then. my decompile appears to be from SEVERAL minor versions ago

thanks 💀

i think this means i should not stay up later

the updated code has a lot more comments which is nice!

[proud wyvern]

silver lining

[rigid oriole]

i'm... surprised i didn't run into issues earlier considering how many harmony patches i've been writing

[past knot]

Huh?

[vernal crest]

You can use CMCT to read the other mod's config options if you want to but otherwise I think your patch might just fail silently if the thing it's trying to edit doesn't exist.

This being CMCT: https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/28284

[vernal crest]

I don't know of a tutorial but adding objects is very straightforward. Just EditData a new entry into Data/Objects. Adding a buff is just a case of use the Buffs field in Data/Objects. https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Objects

[old edge]

you can use space core's spacechase0.SpaceCore_OnItemEaten trigger action

first mark the item for trigger actions ```json
{
"Action": "EditData",
"Target": "spacechase0.SpaceCore/ObjectExtensionData",
"Entries": {
"{{ModId}}_YOURITEM": { // The object ID//
"UseForTriggerAction": true,
}
},
"When": {
"HasMod": "spacechase0.SpaceCore",
}
},

[old edge]

then make the trigger action ```json
{
"Action": "EditData",
"Target": "Data/TriggerActions",
"When": {
"HasMod": "spacechase0.SpaceCore"
},
"Entries": {
"{{ModId}}_YourItemTrigger": {
"Id": "{{ModId}}_YourItemTrigger",
"Trigger": "spacechase0.SpaceCore_OnItemEaten",
"Condition": "ITEM_CONTEXT_TAG Input food egg_item",
"MarkActionApplied": true,
"Action": "AddBuff 18",
}
}
},

[vernal crest]

Do you need Spacecore? There's a spot in Data/Objects where you can specify buffs via CP.

[old edge]

oh yeah that works but the space core version you can add multiple actions with the ```json
"Actions":

[grim latch]

Mostly I make mods for personal use only, but I just published my 3rd ever mod to Nexus : a 1.6 update of my favourite greenhouse which has been broken for ages - I only just noticed that permissions were open on the original

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/33992

[grim latch]

There was already a secondary patch mod that apparently fixed it, but I figured it was easier to just redo the whole thing.

Plus I wanted to make the cellar its own map.

[woeful lintel]

I'm having an issue making a custom JsonConverter: how do I convert a JObject to the target type without going through the JsonConverter I just wrote?
I made this:

public override object? ReadJson(JsonReader reader, Type objectType, object? existingValue, JsonSerializer serializer)
{
    if (reader.TokenType == JsonToken.StartObject)
    {
        JObject obj = JObject.Load(reader);
        JObject new_obj = new();
        foreach (JProperty property in obj.Properties())
        {
            new_obj.Add(property.Name.Replace(" ", null), property.Value);
        }
        return new_obj.ToObject(objectType);
    }

    throw new InvalidDataException($"Could not parse Furniture from {reader.Value} at {reader.Path}.");
}

But return new_obj.ToObject(objectType); creates an infinite loop, how do I parse it normally without going through this converter again?

i can't seem to find a way to specify a converter (or none) in any newtonsoft methods

[woeful lintel]

maybe something to do with the Serializer?

[woeful lintel]

Fixed this by switching to JsonConverter<T> and doing:

public override T ReadJson(JsonReader reader, Type objectType, T? existingValue, bool hasExistingValue, JsonSerializer serializer)
{
    if (reader.TokenType == JsonToken.StartObject)
    {
        JObject obj = JObject.Load(reader);
        JObject new_obj = new();
        foreach (JProperty property in obj.Properties())
        {
            new_obj.Add(property.Name.Replace(" ", null), property.Value);
        }
        
        T result = new();
        serializer.Populate(new_obj.CreateReader(), result);
        return result;
    }
    
    throw new InvalidDataException($"Could not parse Furniture from {reader.Value} at {reader.Path}.");
}

[grim latch]

Is Spacechase still modding or are all their mods now being updated by pathos?

I know they stopped for a while, but I vaguely recall they might have come back?

[lucid iron]

Casey hiatus rn

What do u require

[grim latch]

Ah ok, nm it was just a suggestion for GMCM

nothing urgent

[daring ruin]

How can I make a Linux Desktop session use the GPU without Steam or any launcher?

Through mono?

[lucid iron]

I don't think u need anything special but maybe check whatever driver settings you may have

[daring ruin]

Also without mono I could not get that working in a Docker container with an Nvidia GPU exposed

While I can do nvidia-smi inside that container

[lucid iron]

!mh if it's not for mod making u can go open a thread here

[ocean sail]

For help with modding issues, please ask in #1272025932932055121! When asking for assistance there, sharing an error log will help others identify your issue (see https://smapi.io/log for instructions).

To use this command, type !mh.

[lucid iron]

That said your setup sounds very niche I don't think im capable of helping

[lucid mulch]

(also stardew is pretty much entirely cpu heavy, integrated graphics does stardew perfectly fine with how idle the gpu will be)

[blissful panther]

I would still love to see a comparison between MonoGame's supposedly... not great OpenGL renderer and the DirectX one.

[lucid mulch]

but its also how stardew does its draw loop isn't great

particularly none of the asset pipeline edit stuff really interacts with the gpu other than getting in the way going back and forth

Don't really use shapes or shaders much, just a bunch of cpu animated sprites

[whole raptor]

Is there a point to making where everybody sits in a wedding configurable...?

[tiny zealot]

for just your custom wedding? i would say no

for all weddings in general? i once started working on a mod that could place wedding guests automatically but i shelved it

[whole raptor]

Yeah, just mine

I thought it'd be nice (even if very rarely used by anyone), buuut... it's a shitton of additional configs and tokens 😅

[tiny zealot]

yeah it's a ton of work for like a 30-second cutscene

probably difficult (as a user) to reason about the effect the configs would even have without being able to test and replay it, for that matter

[whole raptor]

(I am planning to make the wedding replay able with debug ebi for people who already married the wizard)

But yeah, nice, less (self imposed) work for me

[calm nebula]

So do wedding guests also have the festival positions problem

[tiny zealot]

a slightly different version of it, but yes. however there's also waaaaaaaaaay less demand for custom weddings (or wedding considerations at all) compared to festivals so i decided not to bother

[whole raptor]

I do hope we'll get more custom weddings in the future

[tiny zealot]

(i technically have one, but it's only barely different from vanilla. i really only converted to it so i could stop overwriting the generic dialogue lines, which i found distasteful when a non-competitive option became available)

[lucid iron]

Ichor what if mouseverse wedding

[tiny zealot]

tell me more

[lucid iron]

Special cindersnap wedding where the mouse friends fieval rose r all there

[tiny zealot]

thinkblob

[lucid iron]

Oh and cap mouse yes

Just depends on how many mouse mods were installed

[whole raptor]

Maybe temporarily turn the farmer into a mouse too for the wedding /jk

[lucid iron]

Idk if the mouse friends have back sprites tho

[calm nebula]

I'm still thinking Wedding Pssive Festival

Mayne I should add it to !modideas

[tiny zealot]

i would really enjoy a wedding playercontrol event, honestly. i should look into that

don't even have to fix the hardcoded lewis thing, since he's the officiant

[calm nebula]

I just want to be able to walk around and talk to people

[whole raptor]

Down with Lewis! Let others be officiants!

[calm nebula]

Rehearse a speech in my head

[tiny zealot]

let people congratulate you on your wedding while it's happening!

[calm nebula]

Put my wife's face into the cake ||wait never do that that is so rude why is it the new social media trend||

[whole raptor]

That would be amazing, ngl

[whole raptor]

That's a trend...?

[tiny zealot]

this is actually a good idea i'm just fairly sure playercontrol is hardwired to lewis somehow or other so i was joking about not fixing it

[lucid iron]

I thought it's Haley

[calm nebula]

No a festival will default to Lewis

Ashley has a differe t hardcoded onr

Is fun

[tiny zealot]

i wouldn't be surprised if it's like

if (festival) {
    return "Lewis";
}
else if (eventId == haley) {
    return "Haley";
}```

[calm nebula]

It's not, iirc

There is a festival set up iirc

[lucid mulch]

Festival logic is separate from the player control command

The playercontrol one iirc wasn't so much hardcoded to Haley as much as the playercontrol objectives were

[lucid iron]

I thought atra suggestion is actually like

Wedding event goes normally

But that day is also made into passive festival

[whole raptor]

That's probably the easiest... but would be nice if we could trigger the wedding event ourselves during the passive festival

Cause also... who gets married at 6 in the morning?!

On another note... is Krobus dancing here? When does he do that?

[tiny zealot]

the same farmer who goes to sleep in their wedding clothes

[whole raptor]

Farmer has wedding clothes..? How come I've never seen it 😅

[lucid mulch]

Male farmer does iirc, female farmers are expected to byo

[whole raptor]

Ah, that's why I've never seen it

[tiny zealot]

i think 1.6 got rid of male farmer auto tux shirt? but i don't know for sure
anyway it was about having to dress the night before because you don't have a chance the morning of

[unreal spoke]

Isn’t that just his walk cycle?

[whole raptor]

Nope, that's the bottom row of the sheet

[vernal crest]

My farmer was "male" and got married in their work clothes (thanks to an event the night before that sent me to bed without my consent!!!)

[lucid mulch]

Just play multiplayer and events can't sleep anymore

[vernal crest]

I spend way too much time in the menu while the game is alt-tabbed for that lol

[whole raptor]

I also just noticed Krobus has a non standard sprite size...

Hmm... I think I'm done, just needs some testing and making screenshots for the mod page

[inland rain]

idk if this is the right place to mention, but Farmer Portraits received an update that a) lets ppl place portrait and background files in the mod's folder, and b) lets you use per-farmer portraits / backgrounds (should work in split-screen as well)
https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/11398

[whole raptor]

Nvm... there's still seasonal wedding arch to do

[valid folio]

Hello, I have amnesia and can't remember where the link that explains how to add food buffs is, haha. Could someone please share it with me?

[fathom hound]

[[Modding:Objects#Data_format]]

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Objects#Data_format

[fathom hound]

Under Edibility

[valid folio]

Thanks, I´m going to save the link

[whole raptor]

Oh... I completely forgot male NPCs have completely different wedding sprite indexes

[hoary lake]

Could we have kittens and puppies? Same kinda thing as animals but pets instead?

You wake up to a baby pet event.

[brittle pasture]

it's trivial to add puppies/kittens as pets

if you meant making them able to grow up later, then no

[gaunt orbit]

It sounds be possible with c# though

[blissful panther]

Probably not too bad at all, yeah.

Oh no, now I'm imagining pet evolutions Pokemon style... 4 hearts + 60 days old + prismatic shard when petting...

[whole raptor]

Yes... please...

[brittle pasture]

well if you're fine with farm animals instead of pets there's a framework for that

no feeding them items to evolve them yet though

[tawny ore]

Big brain move would be to build the concept around Pals so that you're technically not borrowing concepts from Pokemon directly

"This is the Pal-inspired mod..."

[whole raptor]

Eh, you'll get sued either way /lh

[rough lintel]

call them friends 🤣

[gaunt orbit]

Call them yokai

[rough lintel]

yokai watch peers its head into chat

[whole raptor]

Also.. I don't think Pals evolve if we're talking Palworld

[tawny ore]

With Palworld, don't they evolve by putting a bunch of them into the meat grinder?

[whole raptor]

In one way, sure

[gaunt orbit]

Not exactly

You can pulp pals of the same type to rank up a pal but it doesn't change them mechanically, just boosts stats

[tawny ore]

I guess evolution would've been a step too far for them

[opaque field]

yeah it's an 'essence condenser'

[whole raptor]

Now I can't stop imagining Nintendo as a rabid dog breathing down your neck and just waiting for the smallest reason to eat you

[lucid iron]

Metamorphosis

[gaunt orbit]

Figuring out evolution chains would require critical thinking though which is not pocketpair's strong suit

[brittle pasture]

meanwhile digimon subscribes to the model of "everything evolves into hot humans"

[whole raptor]

All I know about digimon evolutions is it's "Cute pet -> Hot human -> Big ass dragon"

[unreal spoke]

Do I spy a chance to complain about the dog > cat > barely clothed angel > pink fluffy dragon line?

[unreal spoke]

Or cyborgs.

… or straight up machines. Looking at you, Gundramon.

[whole raptor]

Complain? But it makes perfect sense /lh

[median dune]

hiiyyaaa if anyone even remembers me I just wanna give a heads up that I'm backk and will probably again have lots of questions

[unreal spoke]

I don’t, but questions are always a great way to learn!

[lucid iron]

You forget guns

[unreal spoke]

May I mention Gundramon again?

[lucid iron]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/digimon/images/3/3d/Gargomon_b.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110311032825

Doragoun pls put my boy in sdv

[unreal spoke]

Terriermon line, my beloved. The best part of Tamers.

… I admit the gun hands are random. Oh, just for the record, though, I had a Terriermon-colored version of one jacket in my Survive FS pack!

That I scrapped for the full release

[lucid iron]

What would people want out of a pet framework hm

That pet overhaul isn't already doing at least

[rough lintel]

make my pets fight with me

[unreal spoke]

Allowing pets to grow up would be pretty cool. Change sprites and/or behavior depending on age and other factors?

[tawny ore]

Pet Companions

[unreal spoke]

… actually, wasn’t there a mod for that?

[lucid iron]

Isn't that what pet overhaul already does

[rough lintel]

i want to level up my dog to become Terathrax the Destroyer (Supersaiyan 2)

[rough lintel]

idk i have genuinely never seen that mod LMFAO

i just want. to level up my dogy. every time he beats an enemy he gets xp

just like me fr

[unreal spoke]

I think the one you mean isn’t actually called Pet Overhaul? You might be thinking of Pets Enhanced.

[lucid iron]

This actually seems not super hard to make happen

[lucid iron]

Ah yeah oop

I think it'd just be a trigger action of some sort to swap the pet's breed and or species

[tawny ore]

Just had an idea, think Lemmings but Junimos.

[rough lintel]

dog doesnt need new animations. he can just shoot projectiles from his mouth 🫡

[tawny ore]

I know the hut kind of already does what I'm thinking

[rough lintel]

like how in pokemon, scratch doesnt actually make the pokemon move … theres just a graphic to show theyre being scratched

[tawny ore]

Or like the Earthbound/Mother battle system. Just sound/visual effects.

[inner harbor]

I have a shedton if dynamic tokens with mine because the (name)? Is great but so many of our NPCs are added later in game.

[tiny zealot]

thinking about a mod that replaces the crit sound effect with the SMAAAAAAASH sound

[proud idol]

How do I get the Id of a cooking recipe? CraftingRecipe.cookingRecipes is indexing them by their name, but Game1.player.recipesCooked is indexing by Id.

Figured it out. Just need to instantiate a CraftingRecipe object from the recipe name, then look at CraftingRecipe.itemToProduce property

[grim latch]

I come to you with yet another question

Is there a guide anywhere for converting CP mods (specifically farm animal replacements) to Alternative Textures ?

...and how much of a PITA is it to do?

[calm nebula]

You shouldn't need to

AT supoortd the CP farm animal skins feature now

[grim latch]

Oh, really? So it will just detect them?

[calm nebula]

Yup

[grim latch]

Huh

[whole raptor]

They don't have UnlockCondition set? I don't think they are being added if they're not unlocked with ?. At least it seemed to work with Morgan, Lance and Apples for me

[grim latch]

So if for example I have a CP mod with 6 different options for sheep, all of those options will show in AT regardless of which one I pick as my default in te CP mod's config?

[brittle pasture]

you need to specifically add them as Skins to the animal data

[grim latch]

Right this is what I thought - seemed too good to be true that it would just magically work

[brittle pasture]

yeah, same with building skins

AT explicitly has support for both

[grim latch]

I'll have to look at the AT documentation, I think support for CP mods is new since I last tinkered with it an age ago

[calm nebula]

You should add them as skins btw

[brittle pasture]

your mod wouldn't need AT for anything, but you can tell its users to use the AT tool to change the sheep's skins yourself

[calm nebula]

See elle's

[grim latch]

RIght - I remember Elle used to have seperate versions for AT

[grim latch]

I don't think I know how to do this - is that just an data edit in CP like any other?

Will read up on it 🙂

Oh skin randomisation is supported by default in 1.6

Huh

Didn't realise that. That's cool.

[lucid iron]

Yeah and AT supports picking skins

Not really losing much to switch

[grim latch]

That's really neat

[lucid iron]

There's also alt purchase type but you should only use that if you want the produce to be different

[grim latch]

Awesome 🙂

Now I just need to learn how to deactivate the vanilla default skins

[lucid iron]

E.g. white vs brown chicken

I don't think u can deactivate the default skins and you probably shouldn't

[grim latch]

Yeah makes sense, thanks for the pointers

[lucid iron]

What you can do is offer choice to replace the base variant

[grim latch]

Oh but I don't want them in rotation, so I should also replace them in CP?

right, gotcha

[lucid iron]

You can do this by editing the Texture field

[grim latch]

Yeah 🙂

Perfect, thanks

[lucid iron]

(or edit image ig but u already got those textures loaded)

[sour sleet]

I have made a front facing bench that I'm trying to make sittable. What do I put for the draw tiles if I haven't got anything I want in front of the player?

[faint ingot]

I have a 'firefly' animation working the way I want it in Tiled, but in the game it doesn't look correct. When I created the tileset I set the tile width/height as 48 as I want a single animation that stretches over a 9x9 tile area in the map. Does that just not work for the game, or is there a way to correct/adjust for it?

[lucid iron]

If that's furniture just don't put anything

Game expects 16x16 tiles always

[faint ingot]

dang that will make the animation harder to manage if it's possible at all

[lucid iron]

Usually a bigger animation like that is just several tiles animated in sync, e.g. waterfalls

[tender bloom]

I’m pretty sure you’ll have to split up the animation yeah

[faint ingot]

OK thanks

[lucid iron]

Also mmap has the power to spawn real firefly Critters

[tender bloom]

It should be possible to do it with multiple tiles in synch

Just more annoying

[lucid iron]

You can use that if u don't really care where they are going

[faint ingot]

does the firefly come with lighting? just wondering

[lucid iron]

Yeah they r same as the fireflies in the summer

[unique sigil]

(adding to what chu said, if you happen to be talking about map chairtiles instead, draw layer field is optional and if it's front facing you dont need to include that field)

[faint ingot]

OK I'll play with the mmap fireflies thanks

[lucid iron]

But they also move like fireflies so u can't really confine them to 1 9x9 area

They go where they want

[sour sleet]

Oh, the wiki says it's not optional so I was making up numbers lol

[faint ingot]

thanks I'm probably OK with the randomness and maybe prefer it

[unique sigil]

hmm, did you happen to read this tutorial? because there it's noted that only some seating require draw tiles

you only need them for back facing seats pretty much

[sour sleet]

Ahh no, I was on the Modding:Maps

[unique sigil]

i recommend taking references from that tutorial instead for chairtiles. more comprehensive imo

[valid folio]

I have this error; my files aren’t supposed to be in that location, but I can see them there... I don’t know why they aren’t being recognized.

[Content Patcher] Error loading patch '(CP) Nando's Artisan Goods > Mate': file 'assets\Nando_Recipes\Yerba_Recipes\Mate\objects.json' doesn't exist..
[Content Patcher] Error loading patch '(CP) Nando's Artisan Goods > Mate Shops': file 'assets\Nando_Recipes\Yerba_Recipes\Mate\Shops.json' doesn't exist..

[sour sleet]

It's much more clear to understand, thanks c:

[unique sigil]

if you need a finished example for chairtile code i've made, there should be one in Central Station's CP component content.json

i used an alternate draw tilesheet there

[urban patrol]

!json can we see your json where you load them please?

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[valid folio]

of course, a sec

[valid folio]

content.json

https://smapi.io/json/none/6d229856ffe046cd82a5ecdf4d9a756d

[sour sleet]

I have done chair tiles before but not a front facing bench. For some reason, it's still not sittable!

[urban patrol]

oh wait a second, you said your files aren’t supposed to be there? it looks like you have the correct path though

[valid folio]

I meant that the error says the files don't exist, but they actually do. I don't know why they aren't being detected. I spent the whole day adding content to the mod without issues, but when I tried to add that last part, it threw an error.

It´s very confused

[urban patrol]

yeah i’m stumped to be honest. your includes and paths look correct, so i don’t know why it wouldn’t recognize them

[valid folio]

My friends always tell me strange things happen to me, haha.

I guess I’ll have to upload it without that content, at least for now.

[sour sleet]

This is my chair tile data, does it look ok? "LBFurniture/3/4": "1/1/down/bench/-1/-1/false",

It still won't let me sit on the bench I've made. The sittable tile is on 3,4 of LBFurniture

My bench is the exact same size as the front facing pelican town bench

[faint ingot]

Am I correct that you can't use content patcher to edit the properties of multiple tiles at once?

[rough lintel]

why wouldnt you be able to

[faint ingot]

like I have to have a separate editmap section for each tile or no?

[rough lintel]

this

i think

idk what ur doing tho

[lucid iron]

Each EditMap takes a list of map tiles

You specify each tile at once yep

[sour sleet]

wait. Can you only edit chair tiles for furniture loaded into Maps?

[faint ingot]

Something like this, yes? https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/d2d78c76944e46d0a101b88a70c8d514

[tender bloom]

Yes, the game auto-calculates for normal furniture items

Benches have to have type bench and there's some math behind where it sits

Couches have to have type couch, etc

[ornate locust]

Except sometimes couches use "highback_chair"

namely when facing up

[sour sleet]

So loading it into "Target": "Mods/{{ModId}}/LBFurniture", is making it so it's not sittable?

[valid folio]

I changed the location, renamed the files, and nothing — it still doesn’t detect them. The only thing I can think of is that there might be a limitation in how it handles the files. Maybe there are too many folders or something, but I’ll try to simplify the paths.

[ornate locust]

oh wait I may have misread, the thing I said is for tileset furniture, not item furniture. I read that the other way around

[lucid iron]

Name is optional

[tender bloom]

It should be sittable if the furniture data makes it sittable

Like you should also be adding specific furniture items with a type

[lucid iron]

https://github.com/Mushymato/MiscMapActionsProperties/blob/main/[CP] MMAP Examples/critters.json

[tender bloom]

To Data/furniture or whatever

[lucid iron]

Here's more examples

[tender bloom]

Are you trying to make furniture embedded in a map or are you trying to make furniture items you can hold in inventory, just to be super clear?

The sittability of the first type is defined by ChairTiles (I'm not super familiar with them), the sittability of the second type is auto-calculated by the game for chairs, benches, couches, and generally sittable furniture types in the vanilla game.

[lucid iron]

Sittability is a great word

[visual dirge]

WHY is max friendship (1 + maxHearts) * 250 - 1 thats so weird

[tender bloom]

adding 1 point to that would make it spill over to the next heart level

[visual dirge]

yes but why isnt it just the max heart level

[tender bloom]

that makes it exactly 1 point shy of level 11 or 15 or 9, depending

[sturdy wyvern]

is it possible to make a special item using content patcher?

[visual dirge]

instead of 1 point less than the next level

[lucid iron]

Oh cus you can go up to 10.996 heart with a marriage candidate

[tender bloom]

well when you date someone you can get super close to 9 without dating yet, for example

[lucid iron]

And then get married

[visual dirge]

ugh this is weird

[tender bloom]

or same deal w what Chu said

the idea is that your effort after 10H should count towards progress to 14H later

[whole raptor]

Also there's friendship decay I guess

[visual dirge]

making me do a tiny bit of math to tell how many overflow hearts the player has.... grr..

[sour sleet]

I’m trying to make an item that’s for sale that you can hold in your inventory.

[lucid iron]

What is the desired specialness?

[ornate locust]

Yeah then that's not the one that uses chair tiles

[tender bloom]

Okay, then for sittability I would be looking at the furniture data declaration (should be an EditData on Data/furniture iirc)

There's only certain types out of the 17 or so furniture types that are sittable

[sturdy wyvern]

plan to make a mod where to go to a location your require the special item, kinda something like the skull key door

[tender bloom]

DGA used to let you customize the sitting tiles (rip DGA)

I'm not sure if the current frameworks do or not

[calm nebula]

I think spacecore or calcifer do

[calm nebula]

That's a wallet item

Yes

[lucid iron]

Yeah make a power

[uncut viper]

Special Items & Powers as of 1.6

[tender bloom]

I would look at SpaceCore, Calcifer, and Furniture Framework yeah — assuming the vanilla sit tiles aren't satisfactory, which they totally might be

[uncut viper]

cant make an actual SpecialItem through any means other than C# constructing one directly

[tender bloom]

The vanilla sit tiles should work 100% fine for stuff that's very similar to the existing vanilla sizes

[sour sleet]

Well what I'm confused by is that I've made custom chairs before and they work great. The only difference with this one is that I'm loading it from a different tilesheet

[lucid iron]

Is this a chair or an arm chair

[tender bloom]

That really shouldn't be the issue, so I'm not sure what's wrong either

Do you want to post the jsons with the furniture info?

[sour sleet]

It's an outdoor bench and this is the info: "LBFurniture/3/4": "1/1/down/bench/-1/-1/false",

[tender bloom]

what makes it outdoor? or is that just a descriptor?

also why is there slashes in the name?

I guess there's nothing stopping that but it seems weird

[lucid iron]

There's no tilesheet specified

[tender bloom]

also a good point

[sour sleet]

It's the same size as the bench in pelican town

[lucid iron]

Go copy a vanilla bench furniture perhaps

[tender bloom]

by default it would pull from default furniture tilesheet

[sour sleet]

And it's just a descriptor

[lucid iron]

JunimoBench

Or something like that

[sour sleet]

The tilesheet it's pulling from is LBFurniture

[lucid iron]

No it's not

[sour sleet]

Isn't that what the key is?

[tender bloom]

"{{ModId}}_Bonsai1": "{{ModId}}_Bonsai1/decor/1 2/1 1/1/1000/-1/[LocalizedText Strings\\Furniture:{{ModId}}_Bonsai1.Name]/0/Mods\\{{ModId}}\\bonsai_trees" this is what a furniture data looks like in my mod

[lucid iron]

No the key is the item id

[tender bloom]

No, the key is the furntiure name!!

[sour sleet]

This is my furniture data: "8BitAlien.Lilybrook_Bench": "Bench/other/2 2/2 1/1/1000/2/{{i18n:Lilybrook.Bench.Name}}/33/Mods\\8BitAlien.Lilybrook\\LBFurniture",

[tender bloom]

"FurnitureUniqueID": "FurnitureUniqueID/type/bounding box/collision box/rotations/price/placement location/translation/locations in spritesheet/spritesheet name" at a glance

You named your Bench Bench and it has type other

The first one is probbaly fine but bad practice

The second is the culprit

[sour sleet]

I've already added it as furniture, I'm now trying to get it to be sittable

[tender bloom]

the 2nd field there, where it says other needs to be a sittable type of furniture

[sour sleet]

Editing the chair tiles

[tender bloom]

try making it bench

[sour sleet]

Ohhh

Ok will try that

[tender bloom]

Chair tiles won't do anything here

[sour sleet]

Ok that makes it sittable!! So now there's a new problem lol. Is this related to draw tiles?

[tender bloom]

Yeah you have too much on Front in that orientation

the bit that is drawing on front is from the Front sheet

in the forward orientation you don't want any Front stuff

[sour sleet]

But i still want the player to be able to walk behind it though - is that possible?

And after seeing the sitting - I need to redraw my bench to be bigger lol

[tiny zealot]

so having that upper part on Front is a problem when you try to sit on the bench

[lucid iron]

I don't think you need any Front for the player to walk behind furniture

[tiny zealot]

the way the game gets around this with the sittable bench in town is by not putting it on Front, and placing shrubs to block access to the back so you can't walk behind the bench and ruin the illusion

in case you ever wondered why there are bushes there in front of the saloon, that's why

[lucid iron]

It mainly comes up when it's rotated to have the back face player

Map tile chairs is whole other system not relevant fo this discussion

[sour sleet]

Ahh ok that's helpful to know. So basically, it's not possible aaaa

[tiny zealot]

anyway, gotta go byebye

[sour sleet]

Byeee

[lucid iron]

No it is possible and game literally does it

Check any vanilla bench/couch furniture

[ornate locust]

Ichortower is talking about map tiles

when you talk about "furniture", it can mean either, which is confusing

[sour sleet]

Ahh ok. If I remove the front part though, it will have weird collision on the top that will make it look like the player is standing on top of it

[lucid iron]

Have you tried?

[sour sleet]

Nope, but it was weird with my fence I was making yesterday. Will try it now, seeing as it's a bench, it might work differently?

Yay, it works!

I had a type set as other yesterday and it wouldn't let me walk behind it. Guess setting the type to bench fixes it

[lucid iron]

Your fence's issue is the bounding box

It's a whole other Problem

Pls don't conflate these things

[sour sleet]

Yep it was. I'm new to adding furniture to the game and only ever made AT furniture packs before. At least I'm trying to learn lol

[lucid iron]

And that's y i am emphasize on the actual issue so u don't end up with misconception