making-mods-general

[fathom hound]

ok i really just do not understand this

why is it not loading right

its like flipped now? like what is happening

[drowsy pewter]

crops and trees are randomly mirrored for variety

you drew it correctly

[fathom hound]

oh okay cool, and i just realized i needed new saplings skks

[brittle pasture]

because the stump and the base for them are identical

[orchid glade]

Not 100% identical

As in, the stump shows the cut section of the tree

So, does the game render the bottom half of the stump or something?

[drowsy pewter]

yes thats why the cut part is always above 16px

[orchid glade]

Ok... So the bottom 16 pixels of the stump is always shown on top, and above 16 pixels it shows the relevant season's tree...?

[hard fern]

looks like

[orchid glade]

(Which sounds like bizarre behaviour, but at least we can articulate that rule)

[fathom hound]

still trying to understand why

ya LOL

[hard fern]

or rather, looks like the stump is tacked onto the tree

uhh i would draw a diagram

[drowsy pewter]

kind of, it overlaps them so that the top of tree can shake when you cut or shake it? I have to check again ingame to see the exact behavior

[hard fern]

of what it looks like to me

like, you have the bottom of the tree with the leaves, then the bottom of the stump layered over, then the rest of the tree on top

[orchid glade]

Hmm yeah, tree shake, but not at the base, makes sense

[drowsy pewter]

it displayes the entire tree sprite, thats why the leave shadows re there

so on vanilla fruit trees you actually see two shadows layered, one from the full tree sprite and the smaller one from the stump

[fathom hound]

guys why is it doing this ): do i need a minimum or something

[drowsy pewter]

minimum what

[orchid glade]

Could be worth colouring the sprites different to really see

[fathom hound]

minimum for stump

cause its showing my old sprite

[hard fern]

my interpretation of the tree 😭

[drowsy pewter]

are you sure you updated the texture

[fathom hound]

yeah i am!

i saved it

[orchid glade]

reloaded the patch?

[fathom hound]

oh wait i see what happened, idk why it did this

it saved it as a diff file sorry!

[orchid glade]

(perfectly adequate for the purpose)

[drowsy pewter]

you can see the layering here, below 16px it displays the full tree with the stump layered on top (fixed in place), above 16px it displays the full tree with the stump layered on bottom (full tree shakes but stump stays in place)

[fathom hound]

NOO

[drowsy pewter]

so both sprites are fully there but the layering is swapped

[rigid oriole]

truly the most normal GSQ ever written

[fathom hound]

okay heck yeah

itll look weird when chopping but idc :p

[drowsy pewter]

makes sure to shake and chop the tree so you know it looks ok in motion

[fathom hound]

shaking is fine its just chopping that looks weird

but for half a second of a frame that will barely be used i cba

[drowsy pewter]

thats good

[fathom hound]

ty!

[orchid glade]

Now I'm wondering, if you wanted a version where the stump also changed with the seasons, would you need to load a completely different tilesheet (or row) for the tree each season?

[fathom hound]

i could probably just make it transparent, where the color changes are

hmmmm

[orchid glade]

If you made it transparent, the stump would have a transparent part

[fathom hound]

it wouldnt because the tree sprite is already there

[brave fable]

trees generally use different texture assets for each season, so you'd be changing both anyway, surely

[orchid glade]

(Not that it's likely people will leave a fruit tree stump there, but still)

[fathom hound]

if it was transparent you wouldnt see the planet at the bottom

[drowsy pewter]

fruit trees ?

[fathom hound]

it would only be transparent when its in stump form

[brave fable]

oh darn fruit trees

[drowsy pewter]

yes you could editimage the stump

[fathom hound]

oh i can?

well idk if i wanna do all that lolol

[drowsy pewter]

yeah lol

I would but only because I'm extra

but thats the reason why fruit trees have the same trunk color through every season :)

[orchid glade]

I mean in this case, I don't think changing the stump each season makes sense, because the seasonal planet changes imply life to me

and growing

[fathom hound]

transparency ftw

[sour sleet]

My building is showing up incorrectly in game (base tiles missing) when it looks fine in Tiled. Any ideas why?

In Tiled, it's fine lol

[brave fable]

i know at least one other mod that checks for player hats for unique behaviours, and i've done something similar, too. you have a use case

what do your layers in tiled look like?

[fathom hound]

:D

[drowsy pewter]

you dont even notice the transparent part cause it looks like it changed colors haha

[fathom hound]

exactly!

[brave fable]

i'll be honest i have no idea just from this, could you zip and share your mod folder?

[solemn wadi]

Has anyone used the Craft Anything Framework? https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/24794?tab=description I'm trying to add recipes for some custom items, but I must be doing something wrong

[fathom hound]

oh ya and heres what it looks like when transparency is on the tree lol

[orchid glade]

Oh it's the stars and ring around the planet that's transparent? Genius.

[fathom hound]

YEP!

[brittle pasture]

you technically don't need it anymore

with SDV 1.6.9 you can just use qualified item IDs to craft furniture/weapons/etc. (set "is big craftable" to false of course)

it still fixes the crafting menu for big items when installed, but that's the only thing it does that the game doesn't cover

[solemn wadi]

Could you give me an example?

[solemn wadi]

{
"Name": "7 Branch Sword",
"Description": "Dug up from ancient ruins. Holds a mysterious power.",
"Type": "Sword",

"MinimumDamage": 88,
"MaximumDamage": 170,
"Knockback": 4,
"Defense": 0,
"Accuracy": 3,
"Speed": 0,
"ExtraSwingArea": 2,
"CritChance": 0.00,
"CritMultiplier": 3,
"Weight": 0,
"MineBaseLevel": 20,
"MineMinLevel": 20,
"MineDropVar": 20,
"MineDropMinimumLevel": 20,
"CanPurchase": true,
"PurchaseFrom": "Marlon",
"PurchasePrice": 92100,
"PurchaseRequirements": null,
"Recipe": "388 1 92 2/Field/93/false/default/Genie Shoes(B)"
}

for context this is the custom item I was testing with

[brittle pasture]

that does not look like CP

is this JA?

the feature probably only works with CP

[solemn wadi]

Oh, that would make sense

[solemn wadi]

So do you think its possible with JA?

[uncut viper]

the recommendation since 1.6 has been to move away from JA entirely

its likely not possible

[brittle pasture]

anyway this is how you'd do it with CP recipes:
388 1 92 2/Field/(B)513/false/default/

[solemn wadi]

Okay, I'll look into converting this all to CP, Thanks!! 😄

[sour sleet]

Are there any rules to follow with custom buildings? Like any restrictions with tile sizes etc? Only asking because I think my custom building is not loading in game correctly (it's missing base tiles) because it might not be in a grid properly? Sorry if this makes no sense

Like I know it's 16x16 but do the tiles have to be exact squares?

These are the tiles not loading in game

(bottom row, not stairs)

[urban patrol]

as far as i know there aren't? i've drawn some really funky shapes before and it catches them fine. idk if this is possible, but maybe you have invisible tiles on your map somehow left over that are affecting it? that's the only thing i can think of

[sour sleet]

Ah ok that's good to know. I'm going to try placing it down in another location and see if that works

[urban patrol]

good idea, let me know if that works!

[dusk mulch]

im so proud with myself yall

the mini game is almost done, i have 1 more bag to do and the sprites then its done and i can do the CP stuff

[urban patrol]

that's awesome person

[hot gale]

SpaceDew anyone?

[tidal stone]

i have so many mod ideas i just cant playt he game for long omg my brain wont let me play until i make more mods LMAO the mod idea scopecreep lol

[urban patrol]

ooh reminds me of a spaceship

[dusk mulch]

Space ship, containment kind of vibes

[hot gale]

:D

[sour sleet]

Nope, it's missing the same tiles even though I've moved location

[urban patrol]

welp, then i'm out of ideas, sorry :(

but at least we know it's your tilesheet

[sour sleet]

Must be something wrong with my custom tilesheet then

[brave fable]

again, could you share your mod folder here?

[sour sleet]

Oh sorry I didn't see anyone ask, my bad. I'm doing an expansion and want it to remain private as possible so I'd rather not. I appreciate the help though, I was hoping it would be a more straightforward issue lol

[sour sleet]

All my other buildings work fine, just this one it hates lmao

[brave fable]

in any case, neither Tiled or SDV or SMAPI actually knows or cares about what a tile looks like, you can fill it with anything or nothing. what matters is whether or not there's a tile at a given point in the map, which there apparently is

you could try backing up your map and using 'replace tileset' on your current tileset to hopefully reset any properties to default, though i don't know what would cause tiles to be hidden

[dusk mulch]

am i hallucinating or can anyone else see a very faint sprite/shadow there?

[fierce vault]

I tried to fix the formatting problems, but it seems like I now have an issue in one condensed area. I'm not sure what the validator is exactly saying though, so I don't really know how to fix it.
https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/83e4ac5acaf14c4c97fa4f700be7c5c7

[brave fable]

Invalid value. Found 'TownStonePath', but expected one of 'Action', 'FromFile', 'LocalTokens', 'LogName', 'Update', 'When'.
you seem to have a "Changes": [ {...} ] object that wraps the actual "Action", "Target", "Entries" data inside some "TownStonePath": {} object

[fierce vault]

It says there is a problem with the two top lines right here specifically, but I'm still not sure what to change..?

      "TownStonePath": {
        "Action": "EditData",
        "Target": "Data/CraftingRecipes",
        "Entries": {
          "TownieStone Path": "390 2/Field/936/false/l 0/"
        }
      }
    }```

[brave fable]

every entry in Changes should follow a similar pattern to ```json
"Action": "EditData",
"Target": "Data/CraftingRecipes",
"Entries": { /.../ }

but your entry above has the pattern```json
"TownStonePath": { /*...*/ }

[fierce vault]

Ah, I guess that needs to go then.

[brave fable]

if you remove that line, and the matching {} object braces, it should be fine

[fierce vault]

Thank you, Blueberry. I'll go and try that.

It fixed the errors the smapi validator was complaining about, but for some reason, it is still a no show ingame. Is there perhaps an issue with this:

  "Action": "EditData",
  "Target": "Data/CraftingRecipes",
  "Entries":  {
  "TownieStone Path": "390 2/Field/936/false/l 0/", // 390 is stone ID/ 2 is also stone?/
    }
  }```

[brittle pasture]

set the right unlock condition
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Recipe_data#Unlock_conditions

[brave fable]

in what way no-show?

[brittle pasture]

right now your recipe is not learned automatically, so you either make it learned automatically or add it to shops

[brave fable]

does the item appear in CJB item spawner, or can it be spawned using debug f mycoolitemid?

[brittle pasture]

(also we recommend using something like {{ModId}}_MyItemId instead of 936 for your item ID)

[fierce vault]

Oh, I haven't tried cheating it in. I guess may need to do a mod id in the future as well.

[brave fable]

ideally you should do it now

[brittle pasture]

(that ID must also match between the entry you're adding to Data/Objects and Data/FloorsAndPaths. but one thing at a time, focus on getting your item in game first)

[fierce vault]

Alright. I'll try and implement that change first. Thanks

[urban patrol]

sanity check: is it normal for custom items to cost double the price you set it as? i had as 1.5mil and it appears to cost 3mil

[uncut viper]

yes

[urban patrol]

ok phew

[uncut viper]

price in object data is the money you get when you ship it

shops have a 2x modifier by default for that price

you can override it in the shop entry itself

[urban patrol]

gotcha. so if i want a seed to cost 1.5mil and the crop to sell for 2.5mil, should i set the price for the seed to be 750k, and the price for the crop to still be 2.5mil?

[uncut viper]

you can set the price to whatever arbitrary number you want in the shop itself

[inner harbor]

Its your custom tilesheet length and width divisible by 16?

[fierce vault]

Success...?

[uncut viper]

so you can set the price for the seed in the shop and then adjust the actual crop accordingly

[urban patrol]

okay, let me go see how to edit the shop data. thanks

[uncut viper]

which if it already is 2.5mil in Data/Objects then yeah you dont need to change it

[fierce vault]

Lol

It's in the game at least, I guess

Big step in the right direction

[sour sleet]

It's 1000x1000 for now so no. Will that make a difference to loading these building tiles though? Because they're near the top of the sheet

[brave fable]

ideally you should shift that to a nice round number like 1024

but i don't believe it would affect tiles away from the bounds of the image

give it a try and find out!

[sour sleet]

Will do!

[brave fable]

Tiled will likely give you a warning prompt about resizing the tileset and adjusting tile indexes, so remember to backup first

[lucid iron]

i thought game used width of sheet for indexes

is map not doing that

[brave fable]

tiled does what tiled wants

[naive wyvern]

something to rule out: did you happen to move the entire layer where your building is

[solemn wadi]

Is it best practice to put new weapon sprites in a spritesheet? Does anyone have any tips on how to make one if so?

[hot gale]

I used texturepacker for mine

My weapons were individual asset pngs though

[solemn wadi]

Like just a single sprite image per weapon?

[vernal crest]

The more sprites you have, the more recommended it is to put them onto a single spritesheet to improve performance but if you have only a few it doesn't really matter.

[hot gale]

Yeah, originally

[vernal crest]

I also use TexturePacker to combine individual sprite images (usually when converting others' AT mods to CP) but then I generally edit them afterwards because it doesn't always do it the right way.

[brave fable]

generally i'd be doing them all in a single spritesheet, just make sure your individual sprites are 16x16, and the final exported image(s) are some multiple of 16 in width and height

surprised people use texture packer, i just make everything on a single canvas and arrange them there

[uncut viper]

i didnt remember it exsted until earlier today. i also put everything on a single canvas and arrange

[vernal crest]

I don't do it for my own things because I start with a single canvas. But AT textures are obviously split and it takes forever to combine them manually.

[fierce vault]

Did I do the mod id wrong? Is there a reason the description won't load from the i18n...?
https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/8fc9b7d89d054a50a5d63351f00c63a0

[brave fable]

try changing "Name": "TownieStone Path", to "Name": "{{ModID}}_TownStonePath",

[fierce vault]

Let me go and try that.

Hmm... still the same issues.

[vernal crest]

Did you trash the path and spawn a new one?

[fierce vault]

I will try it in another save to be sure. Also, could "DisplayName": "{{i18n:TownStonePath-{{season}}_Name}}", Be an issue?

[vernal crest]

What do your i18n keys look like?

[uncut viper]

it would display "no translation found"

[brave fable]

the issue here isn't the i18n; it's created an error object because the data is invalid or missing

[uncut viper]

(if the i18n token were an issue)

[fierce vault]

Ok

[sour sleet]

Nope

[fierce vault]

I tried in another save, and the item is still an error.

[vernal crest]

How are you spawning it?

[fierce vault]

    "Action": "Load",
    "Target": "Paths/Townie_Paths",
    "FromFile": "Paths/Townie_{{season}}_Paths.png"
  },

  {
    "Action": "Load",
    "Target": "TileSheets/Townie_Paths",
    "FromFile": "Paths/Townie_{{season}}_Icon.png"
  },``` I can drop the slightly modified json again if you'd like

[vernal crest]

No I mean in game

How are you getting the item into your inventory?

[fierce vault]

Oh, by crafting it with the ingredients.

I can craft it, I just can't use it

[brave fable]

change your crafting recipe data to "{{ModID}}_TownStonePath": "390 2/Field/{{ModID}}_TownStonePath/true/default/"

[fierce vault]

It already looks like this: "{{ModID}}_TownStonePath": "390 2/Field/{{ModID}}_TownStonePath/true/default/",

[vernal crest]

Try spawning the object directly via CJB or debug rather than crafting it

[fierce vault]

Ok, I'll try debug

I don't think I did debug properly, becuase concernedape told me "nice try"

I tried the command in the chat

[vernal crest]

Unless you have the Chat Commands mod, you can't use debug commands in chat and have to use the SMAPI console.

[fierce vault]

Err, how do I do that? I can't type in it

[uncut viper]

you can type in it

[fierce vault]

Oh wait

Nevermind

I had other smapi windows that I had not yet closed

[urban patrol]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/37b9b833ede44417a9104e822ff54faa i've almost got my crop right, but i'm having issues with it being regrowable. when it's ready for harvest it's supposed to look like sprite 5, and then after you harvest it it should look like sprite 6 until a year passes and it's harvestable again. instead what i'm seeing is it turns invisible (but still there) upon harvest and then when it's ready it displays the regrow sprite (6)

[tidal stone]

efss i gotta learn how to do an AT version of my meteorite mod later, i got 2 comments requesting it LMAO

i like to give ppl what they want 😭

time to learn more about alternative textures

[brittle pasture]

do people just have multiple meteorites laying around their farm for AT to be useful

[tidal stone]

i do not know

XD

[gray bear]

just keeping it cause it's pretty

[orchid glade]

Heehee I was thinking that, too. So that each meteorite can be randomly any one of them

[uncut viper]

i often leave my meteorites

for decoration

[tidal stone]

thats fair

[uncut viper]

same with giant cropss

[gray bear]

rock decor rock decor

[uncut viper]

i will redo my entire farm layout to accomodate a meteorite

[tidal stone]

ig my retexture would fit the 'i wanna keep it' vibe

seeing as how its a giant crystal XD

[fierce vault]

[Console Commands] Sent debug command to the game, but there was no output.``` I think I'm doing the debug command wrong.

[gray bear]

what are u trying to run

[uncut viper]

ignore the "no output" part, thats normal

[urban patrol]

you have to type in your actual mod id

[uncut viper]

why'd you put brackets around the item id. also yes as nic says dont use a token there

[urban patrol]

so name.mod_TownStonePath

[uncut viper]

tokens are for content patcher only

[gray bear]

are you trying to do a patch reload?

[uncut viper]

they are trying to spawn in their item

[gray bear]

oh

[fierce vault]

Oh, the whole item id?

[brave fable]

it should be fine to write debug f townstonepath

[gray bear]

is it a fuzzy match?

[brave fable]

f will do a very loose search for items containing that phrase

[fierce vault]

Hmm, it says unkown command for that one

[brave fable]

really? i get this result:

[fierce vault]

Oh my! That worked.

It IS in the game then, but the crafting for it is all messed up

[vernal crest]

Did you get an answer for this yet?

[urban patrol]

i did not

[vernal crest]

Lucky for you, I know the answer! It's because the regrowable sprite has to be in column 8 and the re-harvest sprite has to be in column 7.

[urban patrol]

you're amazing

[fierce vault]

So, now that I know I can get it through debug, does that narrow down what is wrong with the content json?

[vernal crest]

So you just need to add a duplicate harvest sprite where your regrow one is right now.

[vernal crest]

Yes, it means your recipe is wrong.

[fierce vault]

Uh oh, I tried placing the path down and it did not display properly either

so the item is still messed up. I may have formatted the the tiles of the png wrong

This is the crafting recipe: { "Action": "EditData", "Target": "Data/CraftingRecipes", "Entries": { "{{ModID}}_TownStonePath": "390 2/Field/{{ModID}}_TownStonePath/true/default/", // 390 is stone ID/ 2 is amount needed to craft/ } }

[urban patrol]

it worked! thank you so much <3

[vernal crest]

Your item is not a big craftable so that "true" should be "false"

[dusk mulch]

ok time to get testers for my minigame... then i got to figure out how to import it into SDV...

[fierce vault]

Oh, so that's the issue

[vernal crest]

It's the only one I can see right now at least

[gray bear]

there isn't a display name but I don't think that'll cause issues with actually crafting

[hot gale]

You dont need more your index is likely wrong

I believe

[fierce vault]

Oh, the index?

[vernal crest]

I suspect you need to have exactly the same as the vanilla one.

[fierce vault]

"SpriteIndex": 0,

[vernal crest]

There is no index for floors and paths

[hot gale]

Oh :p

[fierce vault]

Oh, ok...

[vernal crest]

There's Corner which serves the same purpose but there's no option to specify multiple so I think it is expecting a 4x4 texture

[fierce vault]

4x4 in terms of 16x16 tiles or pixels?

[vernal crest]

Tiles

Do you have the vanilla png open for reference?

[fierce vault]

Oops. Wrong one

[vernal crest]

I recommend always looking at the vanilla files for reference where possible

But either way, you can see the difference between that other mod's texture file and yours in terms of size of a single path's texture

[fierce vault]

Yes. I suppose there is no harm in adding repeating textures anyway, if that is what is needed. Thank you and everyone else for your help. I think I'll be able to complete this soon.

[dusty scarab]

did you ever get an answer for this?

[urban patrol]

i did, thank you :)

[dusty scarab]

no problem :D

[vernal crest]

Hehe it was me Sekundes

[dusty scarab]

ah, I was gonna scroll back up to look for your handy chart explaining the different growth phases for regrowth crops if they hadn't gotten an answer, but you beat me to it! likely with said charts! XD

[vernal crest]

No charts, I just told nic what to change. Maybe she's wallowing in confusion about it now, I don't know xD

[dusty scarab]

nah, I feel like your explanation was probably good enough that they need wallow no more

[mortal goblet]

Is there a vanilla weapon used the "Projectiles"?

[dusty scarab]

the slingshots, I'd assume

since they fire items as projectiles

[mortal goblet]

in fact it's not

[dusty scarab]

huh. fascinating!

in light of that, I'm not sure, then. maybe it's a holdover from a scrapped weapon idea? similar to how you can find images of meat products in the SpringObjects sheet, despite not actually being able to harvest animals for meat?

[uncut viper]

/// <summary>The projectiles fired when the weapon is used, if any. The continue along their path until they hit a monster and cause damage. One projectile will fire for each entry in the list. This doesn't apply for slingshots, which have hardcoded projectile logic.</summary>

[vernal crest]

Are you wanting an example of how to set it up?

[dusty scarab]

nevermind, Button with the answers! :D

[mortal goblet]

OK I will take a try on my own weapon

[uncut viper]

if aba knows where its documented, aba has more answers than me

bc i dont

[vernal crest]

Aba is on the Weapons page on the wiki lol

[urban patrol]

i was in fact looking at said charts to start! but i must have missed the specific sprites regrowing crops had to have lol

[dusty scarab]

ah, I've been there and done that, lol. if you have any more questions, we're here to help!

[vernal crest]

Fades are the worst, I hate them

[urban patrol]

huge mood

somehow mine turn into fading to black like three times in a row lol

[vernal crest]

I keep running into issues of the fade ending before I move the viewport or the globalFadeToClear leaves black really fast but then leaves a sort of grey film over everything for ages.

[rigid musk]

mmm... event coding...

[rigid oriole]

I actually have grown to kinda like events 🫣

[mortal goblet]

looks not bad

[vernal crest]

I give you permission to do mine then 😌

[vernal crest]

Nice!

[rigid oriole]

I don't think u realize how many I have left for my mod

I spent my evening making everyone do their aerobics animations for flair in an event 😭

[static flame]

hello would i ask moding questions here?

[rigid oriole]

If it's about making mods then yes!

[static flame]

just about content patcher vs portraiture

[vernal crest]

Making mods, yes! Using mods, no. That's #modded-stardew for recommendations/chatting and #1272025932932055121 for help with technical issues.

[static flame]

thank you!

[vernal crest]

Are you trying to decide between them for your mod?

[static flame]

just idk which one would be better for portraite mods. i havent modded in months so i forget - or can i use both ?

[rigid musk]

I hate them, I hate testing them, but I DO feel satisfied when I make something decent with them

depends on if you want an HD portrait or a 64x64 portrait

64x64 use content patcher, HD portraiture

[rigid oriole]

I think the creativity part is fun. For example today I wrote an event that is triggered when your farmer wears the blobfish mask 💀

They're just so slow to write

[rigid musk]

wait thats so ccool how do you even do that

[rigid oriole]

Custom gsq

It's like 7 lines if you have a c# component and you want it

[rigid musk]

thats so awesome actually ... blobfish hat... I dont know a thing about C# but i think thats neat

this is my longest event and it only looks like this because there's technically four duplicate parts of it (due to how I wanted the answers/options to show in game)

it was a nightmare

[rigid oriole]

I mean it'd work for any hat but I doubt I'll use it more than once

[brittle granite]

@vernal crest @dusty scarab I was able to successfully add my first crop, a carnation, my favorite flower! You guys were tremendous help last night, I still greatly appreciate it!

[rigid oriole]

I think i know why you hate events!

[rigid musk]

if i remove that section it looks like this which is .. less lmao

[rigid oriole]

Still much longer than the ones I write

I commend ur dedication

[rigid musk]

I know you can space them apart, they just are a pain to time and stuff for me is all... I spent literally four hours trying to get the walking thing working with this because I wanted it to be very specific

My second least favorite one I think was my secret woods one

Getting that bear to animate properly...

[rigid oriole]

I think users will recognize the detail u put in

[rigid musk]

no actually it was the walnut room one i must correct myself

I had to figure out how to use temporary actor sprites that dont exist as actual npcs and that was hard to wrap my brain around at the time

But they look cool as heck in game

[rigid musk]

very cute :D i love it

[rigid musk]

i sure hope so, this 13h event was a nightmare to code 😭

Especially since adding the conversation topic dialogue was a pain

[gentle rose]

can't wait for gotos...

[rigid musk]

so many entries...

[rigid musk]

Iro what does this mean

[brittle granite]

Thank you Lily! @rigid musk

[rigid oriole]

I'm also excited for goto

[dusty scarab]

congrats! it looks great!

[uncut viper]

goto is an upcoming event command in 1.6.16

along with label

it tells the event to "go to" a label

[rigid musk]

[uncut viper]

whether that label is behind or ahead of the current command

[gentle rose]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Migrate_to_Stardew_Valley_1.6.16#New_event_commands

[brittle granite]

Thank you Sekundes! Would anyone know how to add flower variation? for example the different color fairy roses?

[rigid musk]

oh wow... that would.. that would be pretty neat actually

[dusty scarab]

that is called applying a tint, and I do not know how to do it :D I do know that it is very particular with how it works, though

[rigid musk]

i wouldnt have to duplicate that whole section of event commands four times I could just do it once and then have it move back to the other thing the three other times...

[dusty scarab]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Crop_data it's a field in the Crop Data, so it shouldn't be TOO bad

...some of the names for the colors in the Color Format section look like ConcernedApe got them off the back of a handful of Sherwin Williams paint swatches

[uncut viper]

he didnt choose them

[dusty scarab]

then whoever chose the names looks like they got them off the back of a handful of Sherwin Williams paint swatches

[brave fable]

makes u feel like a real home designer when ur choosing between Color.PeachPuff and Color.PapayaWhip for ur ui tint

[brittle granite]

Thank you!! Im blind lol!

[dusty scarab]

those were the colors that made me go 'hey, wait a minute', yes XD

[brave fable]

i swear i use peachpuff in every mod somewhere. it just works

[brittle granite]

I think im confused about the actual sprite sheet for the spriteindex. If I want to make like 4 variants + the base one, for an example do I need to make the spritesheet 5 rows high in a certain pattern?

I may be completely missing right now but based of what im reading I keep thinking of the fairy rose pattern sheet

[dusty scarab]

you mean like 4 tint varients?

[brittle granite]

So instead of tinting I was gonna use sprite index instead

and I was gonna make like custom sprites

[dusty scarab]

if I remember right, Fairy Rose is a mostly-transparent flower, and it uses the TintColors field to assign the 6 colors it can be

[vernal crest]

I think you need Alternative Textures or some other thing to make actual variants within the same crop.

You can't have different shapes or anything within the same crop for CP as far as I'm aware.

[brittle granite]

Ah okay that makes sense.

Would you guys happen to have an example of the tint colors code?

[vernal crest]

"TintColors": [
                        "White",
                        "Black",
                        "Chartreuse",
                        "Tomato",
                        "Plum"
                    ]

[dusty scarab]

I didn't use it in any of my crops, but... nevermind, Aba has you covered

[brittle granite]

Thank you guys again!

I have learned so much from you two alone XD

[vernal crest]

Tinted crops can only be four phases, by the way.

[brittle granite]

my carnation is, but do you know why that is?

[vernal crest]

Because the non-coloured sprite for harvest has to be in column 6 and the tintable sprite for harvest has to be in column 7.

[brittle granite]

ah okay I see

[vernal crest]

The code to make them coloured is hardcoded to check those positions, I assume (I could check but I am too hungry to do that right now lol)

You also can't make them regrowable, because the hardcoding will clash.

[dusty scarab]

tintable sprite meaning the part that you want the color to be tinted to. to use Fairy Rose as an example, what you'd see in column 7 would be the roses, and JUST the roses, not the stems or leaves

[brittle granite]

no worries at all lol that makes complete sense

[vernal crest]

(Again, that one is an assumption based on the logic I am already aware of)

[brittle granite]

do you guys know where I could find the fairy rose tilesheet to see how he did it?

[vernal crest]

Fairy rose flowers look like cotton balls to me lol

Tilesheets/crops

[brittle granite]

Thank you lol

[vernal crest]

It's the tilesheet for all the vanilla crops

[dusty scarab]

here's Jazz, Summer Spangle, and Fairy Rose

[brittle granite]

oh damn it really is translucent XD

[dusty scarab]

the non-tinted parts are first set of sprites, then the tinted part alone is in column seven

[vernal crest]

why do you have a pixel grid?

[dusty scarab]

because I am a philistine who needs one to make passable pixel art, and I opened up the crops.png in Pixel Studio

[brittle granite]

fancy lol

[rigid musk]

its not translucent its just white/gray

[brittle granite]

I use Aseprite

[rigid musk]

if you put it on a black bg you'd be able to see it - you can kinda fill it in with the colors from the standard colors if you need to

[vernal crest]

I am curious how the pixel grid is helpful compared to a 16x16 grid

[brittle granite]

That is smart I should try that.

[rigid musk]

(like move the image over the stalk and then fill in the colors for reference)

[vernal crest]

Argh my grid keeps going back to blue

[rigid musk]

I did it to reference it for my valentines furniture (it wasnt exactly that helpful since I had to size up the image to make it look like a nice rose for the wall decal)

[brittle granite]

for the actual crop item how would I do that?

[vernal crest]

Which bit?

[brittle granite]

if it only has one object sprite right now

like the harvested flower

[dusty scarab]

the lines help me count, mostly. when I'm zoomed in more on larger grids, the every 10th line is a little bit thicker, so it helps me keep track

[rigid musk]

harvested item is in spring objects

[vernal crest]

Does Pixel Studio not do indexes in the bottom left or anything?

[brittle granite]

thank you @rigid musk

[rigid musk]

tile index 595 on the springobjects sheet - which is in maps

[dusty scarab]

not without paying for it

[vernal crest]

Turn the grid on to see the indexes

[vernal crest]

That's annoying

[dusty scarab]

yeah, but I just use Eyes MK-1 to save myself a little money. otherwise, it's a perfectly serviceable free program for what I need it to do

[mortal goblet]

is that possible that change the "Projectiles.png" to add a new projectile?

[vernal crest]

I need a program that will let me have a preview with a controllable zoom so I can work on my sprite at 800-1000x zoom and the preview stays at 400x

[vernal crest]

You can, but unless you have a specific reason to it's better to leave it untouched and use your own spritesheet.

[brittle granite]

Its small as shit 😂

[dusty scarab]

XD

[brittle granite]

pixel counts I guess lol

[vernal crest]

Yeah for showing people on discord it usually makes sense to zoom in to 400x and then take a screenshot of that, since that's in-game size

[brittle granite]

thats smart lol ima do that

green pixel at top is just my cursor

[dusty scarab]

looks cute!

[brittle granite]

thank you, im sure ill change it in the future, but right now im looking for the fair rose object tilesheet but cant seem to open the file to view it.

any tips to actually open an xmb file to preview it?

sorry probbalby beginner stupidity.

[dusty scarab]

I extract it and open it up in my pixel editing program

[brittle granite]

ah I see, I wasn't extracting it

thank you!

[dusty scarab]

you're welcome :D

[vernal crest]

Oh you haven't unpacked your files yet?

[dusty scarab]

here's Tulip, Summer Spangle, Fairy Rose, and Blue Jazz, so you can see how it was done

[vernal crest]

! unpack use stardewxnbhack

Stupid autocorrect!

!unpack

[ocean sail]

Follow this guide to unpack the game's content files in order to see and explore how the game data is structured.
It's helpful when making your own mods, or just to learn about how the game works!

To use this command, type !unpack.

[brittle granite]

thank you guys! 😂

[vernal crest]

Be warned, the springobjects.png file is a big one. It has every sprite from Data/Objects in it

[brittle granite]

so like would this work?

[vernal crest]

Is the vanilla one 16x16?

[brittle granite]

I made sure they are alligned perfectly

[vernal crest]

Then you should be good

[brittle granite]

okay cool, was that code you gave me earlier all I need? or do I need to add that code to the actual object aswell?

sorry I could figure this out myself probably, just thought I should ask.

[vernal crest]

You need the code for the object too, yeah

[brittle granite]

okay cool, thank you!

[vernal crest]

If you're still looking at Sekun's mod you should be able to see what to do in there

And then just check in the vanilla data/objects file to see if there's anything extra/different for a tinted crop.

[brittle granite]

smart stuff, I will unpack after if this doesn't work, so I can see.

[uncut viper]

(most (all?) 1.6 things are in TileSheets/Objects_2)

[calm nebula]

(I believe there is)

(A field) (for tint) (in both crop and object data)

(Good morning)

(I should not have taunted the jetlag gods)

[dusty scarab]

oh, if you're doing flowers! ask around to see if there's anything special you need to tag to get your flowers to work with beehouses for honey!

[calm nebula]

You don't need to do anything special for bees

[brittle granite]

Do I just need to make sure its tagged as a flower?

[dusty scarab]

I think so, but I'm not certain, which is why I recommended looking into it more

[vernal crest]

So not only a different file but a totally different folder. Confusing.

[uncut viper]

if i had to guess, its probably not unlikely that he avoided adding to springobjects bc it'd mess up any mods that already added to it

im not saying its guaranteed, but if it was a very modding support focused update as well, its not out of the realm of possibility

[vernal crest]

Cornucopia - more flowers has its stuff all on GitHub so it's easy to check it for reference.

[vernal crest]

Very thoughtful if so

[brittle granite]

I will absolutly do that!

[shut mountain]

"Make a skibidi toilet mod😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎"
-My friend upon being asked for ideas

I'm sorry

[brittle granite]

*absolutely

[calm nebula]

I mean maps is a weird folder for objects

[vernal crest]

You're not wrong

[calm nebula]

Anyways, how goes it?

[vernal crest]

I wrestled with fades in events and now I'm wrestling with having to eat lunch. Best day of my life

[dusty scarab]

I'm waiting for the Final Fantasy 14 servers to come back up so I can actively mourn my main class and rue the lobotomy it got in the patch notes, you?

[brittle granite]

now my crops are just invisible 😭

[vernal crest]

Your crops shouldn't have changed if you were just doing object stuff

[brittle granite]

well like with the tint on the crops as well, it seems to not be pulling the 7th sprite

[vernal crest]

What's your DaysInPhase look like?

[brittle granite]

"Changes": [
{
"Action": "EditData",
"Target": "Data/Crops",
"Entries": {
"Rogue.Rogues_Crops_CarnationSeeds": {
"Seasons": [ "spring", "summer" ],
"DaysInPhase": [ 1, 1, 1, 1 ],
"ExtraHarvestChance": 0,
"HarvestItemId": "Rogue.Rogues_Crops_Carnation",
"Texture": "Mods/Rogue.Rogues_Crops/assets/Carnation_crop",
"TintColors": [
"White",
"Black",
"Chartreuse",
"Tomato",
"Plum"
],
"NeedsWatering": true,
"IsRaised": false,
"HarvestMinStack": 1,
"HarvestMaxStack": 1
},

its just a 4 day crop

[vernal crest]

That's an odd texture path. Are you sure that's what you loaded the texture into?

But DaysInPhase is fine

[dusty scarab]

when making the flower in the seventh column, you made it with white and grey colors and not transparencies, right?

[brittle granite]

yes and yes

[calm nebula]

(Put a giant X in any slot you don't use currently so it will show up)

[brittle granite]

should I just shrink the canvas? that might be easier

[calm nebula]

No, it needs to be a specific size

[brittle granite]

ah okay i see

[vernal crest]

Oh that might be it

Your sprites need to be 16x32

Hm no looks like they already are.

[brittle granite]

yea should be

[vernal crest]

So the crop is invisible when you plant it?

And in every stage after that?

[brittle granite]

its invisible when it gets to the harvest stage

and thats it

like it never develops a flower

[vernal crest]

Oh

[brittle granite]

sorry should have said that earlier

[vernal crest]

The flower might need to be in the top tile

[brittle granite]

like above the one its currently in?

[vernal crest]

I'm on my phone but are there any vanilla ones where the flower is in the bottom tile?

Yeah

[brittle granite]

oh shit I see what you mean now

I was looking at the grid ones

and didin't see the cut off line

[dusty scarab]

Fairy Rose looks like it might dip down into the first? I could open up the file and manually count

[vernal crest]

Hmm yeah the fairy rose has pixels in both tiles

This is making me realise that I don't actually know what it's like having a working tintable crop because the stuff I was testing yesterday was all broken things lol

[brittle granite]

lol Well again I appreciate the help

[calm nebula]

Move the tint one more over and put the harvest sprite twice?

I'm also side eyeing the color lisr

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[calm nebula]

I think you can use the monogame color list but I'm not sure tomato and plum are on it

[brittle granite]

do you think that would make any of them not spawn?

I can change them to test.

also like that?

[dusty scarab]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Common_data_field_types#Color tomato and plum are in there

[vernal crest]

I just took the colours from the page on the wiki

[uncut viper]

(yes the tint colour names are just monogame colours)

you can also use hex codes, or "R G B A" strings

it is set with Utility.StringToColor which can parse any of those three options

[brittle granite]

I changed the more exotic ones to see if it would make a difference

Im gonn try and run it again

[dusty scarab]

(PeachPuff, represeeeeeent!)

[brittle granite]

lol

more of a sea green guy myself

[calm nebula]

//do magic

Thanks, Pathos.

[brittle granite]

some weird results XD

[dusty scarab]

lol it's tinting the plant part

[brittle granite]

I need to move one out of the tilesheet I think

[calm nebula]

Yeah, okay, your previous attempt was more correct

[brittle granite]

its still funny as hell lol

[dusty scarab]

I like how some of them look like ninja plants, complete with an afterimage XD

[brittle granite]

that one in the back is scary

[mortal goblet]

I want to add a weapon which have same function with Slingshot. Is there an easy way to do that or I must use C# code?

[brittle granite]

It worked!! Idk why one is invisible still but hey progress!

[uncut viper]

slingshot itself is hardcoded, so C# i imagine, unless theres a framework for it

[mortal goblet]

O Thank you

[gray bear]

it's not invisible I think it's just you added black to the tint colors

[violet grotto]

I think Archery was the closest there was to slingshot-like weapons. Unfortunately it hasn't been updated for tha latest game version.

[brittle granite]

void flower, and I mean the one to the left of the black one, do you think its because white is a color?

[vernal crest]

What changed to make it work?

[brittle granite]

I just changed the tilesheet, and the colors

[calm nebula]

Try hex code #fefefe instead of white

[brittle granite]

do i need to change them all to hexcodes?

[calm nebula]

In data/objects, there is a field to use a color overlay mask

Instead of the next index over

[calm nebula]

No

[brittle granite]

I see

[calm nebula]

Just that one specifically, since #fefefe is nearly indistinguishable from white

But isn't white

[vernal crest]

But also don't forget that white is only in there anyway because you copied it from me. Do you want it to be white?

[brittle granite]

umm I mean Ill go back and pick colors, but I mainly just wanted it to work first.

I will try the hexadecimals

[vernal crest]

But if you think it's the white that's not working you could just remove that from the list

[calm nebula]

Oh I remember the stupid question I was gonna ask

Has anyone made a weapon that ignores monster defense yet

[vernal crest]

Curious, my one that I copied straight from vanilla didn't work but the one with the low sprite did

Unless my invisible one is the one trying to use White as well

[brittle granite]

im gonna relog with the hexadecimals and see if its different.

[vernal crest]

Now I have the other way around xD

[brittle granite]

hahah

[vernal crest]

Well, some are working and some aren't

[brittle granite]

do you still have white as a color?

also why are some big and some small 😂

[vernal crest]

No, only black, chartreuse, tomato, and plum. All of which are visible there.

Because I wanted to test one that was the same as vanilla and one with a low flower like you have

[brittle granite]

I honestly have no idea

[vernal crest]

The chartreuse and one of the plum ones on the low flower keep disappearing when I move around too

[brittle granite]

so weird

[drowsy pewter]

the colored part needs to not overlap with the crop sprite

[vernal crest]

Some of the ones with vanilla tints are also hidden

[drowsy pewter]

it is not automatically layered on top

they're on the same level so they clip when you move around

[vernal crest]

Only some are doing that though

[drowsy pewter]

idk

but i know thats why those some are doing it

[vernal crest]

Yeah that was my thought for why the flickering ones were flickering but it's strange they aren't all doing it. Maybe it's part of how the crops are randomised and the totally invisible ones are just drawn behind the leaves the whole time.

Ah ha, that surmise was correct - well, the bit about drawing below the leaves anyway

[calm nebula]

Why, game

[drowsy pewter]

you are doing evil experiments

[vernal crest]

So @brittle granite you're not going to be able to have your flowers the way you have them now

[brittle granite]

This is how mine are looking now

[drowsy pewter]

you're still going to have flickering unless you erase the parts where the leaves overlap with the flowers

[vernal crest]

Oh yeah you can see the way some of them are in front and some are behind

[brittle granite]

that aswell as im having an issue when i pick them, and they are a completely different color than the one shown.

[vernal crest]

And yes, it dislikes "White" as a tint colour because all my vanilla-esque tulips are invisible too

[drowsy pewter]

thats because you changed the color data so many times for existing crops

existing crops retain the info they were planted with

[brittle granite]

yea, fefefe worked wonders

[drowsy pewter]

you'll have to replant them to retest the harvest color

[brittle granite]

I see

[vernal crest]

I should get some bees

[hard fern]

[vernal crest]

Hey fairy dust works on bees! Hooray!

[brittle granite]

good to know!!

[vernal crest]

I wonder why the flower_item context tag isn't on the wiki

[brittle granite]

you were correct about the clipping, that fixed it fully

[vernal crest]

Oh it's just in the raw tag dump

[brittle granite]

not too sure why im still pulling up random colors when i harvest.

[vernal crest]

Do you have "ColorOverlayFromNextIndex": true, in your object data?

[brittle granite]

Lemme check probbably not XD

okay i added that, did it work for you when you did that?

[vernal crest]

Yup

[brittle granite]

ok epic

[vernal crest]

Without it, the tint is applied to the entire object instead of just the flower part

[brittle granite]

that makes complete sense

im still pulling up flowers that look nothing like the crop sprite.

does that have to be before the tint colors command?

[vernal crest]

Did you plant new ones after changing the object?

[brittle granite]

That might be my mistake

I did

[vernal crest]

It's not in your crops data at all

It's in your object data

[brittle granite]

yea thats what i mean sorryu

{
"Changes": [
{
"Action": "EditData",
"Target": "Data/Objects",
"Entries": {

            "Rogue.Rogues_Crops_Carnation": {
            "Name": "Rogue.Rogues_Crops_Carnation",
            "Displayname": "{{i18n:Carnation_name}}",
            "Description": "{{i18n:Carnation_description}}",
            "Type": "Flower",
            "Category": -80,
            "Price": 120,
            "Edibility": 8,
            "EdibleIsDrink": false,
            "Texture": "Mods/Rogue.Rogues_Crops/assets/Carnation_object",
    
            "ColorOverlayFromNextIndex": true,
                "TintColors": [
                    "#fefefe",
                    "#3383FF",
                    "#36A763",
                    "#8449a7",
                    "#d9c963"
                ],
                  
            },
            "Rogue.Rogues_Crops_CarnationSeeds": {
                "Name": "Rogue.Rogues_Crops_Carnation",
                "Displayname": "{{i18n:CarnationSeeds_name}}",
                "Description": "{{i18n:CarnationSeeds_description}}",
                "Type": "Seeds",
                "Category": -74,
                "Price": 45,
                "Texture": "Mods/Rogue.Rogues_Crops/assets/Carnation_seeds"
            },

        }
    }
]

}

[vernal crest]

There's no TintColors field in Data/Objects

[brittle granite]

ah damn I asked earlier but must have got confused

sorry for the mix up

[vernal crest]

(This is why it's good to keep the vanilla files open too)

[brittle granite]

makes sense, I am going to unpack those like right after I test this

[vernal crest]

They should also be "Type": "Basic" not Flower

There is no "Flower" type

And this is not related to the colour, but "EdibleIsDrink" is not a field. It's just "IsDrink"

(Although that's false by default so you don't even need to include it if you don't want to)

[brittle granite]

thank you lol, I might be a lost cause 💀

[gray bear]

CA should let us drink the flowers

[brittle granite]

lol

[gray bear]

no one is a lost cause! we all take time to learn new things

[brittle granite]

thank you!

[vernal crest]

I see Cornucopia lists their flowers as Type: Flower and now I'm not sure if the wiki is wrong or Cornucopia is

Or if you can just make a new type somewhere, somehow

[brittle granite]

I had it as flower and I wasn't getting anyy issues, not sure if it would cause any either way.

[calm nebula]

(It's fine)

Don't use "Arch"

"Flower" is fine

It's barely checked in comparison to the category number

Also don't use "Ring" for a flower

Unless you meant to make a ring

In which case. A flower ring is pretty

[brittle granite]

yay that worked wonders Thank you Abagaianye

a flower ring would be kinda metal

[vernal crest]

Isn't type one of the things that affects whether a thing will be seen in the collections menu? Like if type is cooking it will show up in the cooking tab?

[brittle granite]

the flower one showed up in the crops shipping part

[calm nebula]

I think cooking is category and not tyep

[vernal crest]

There is a cooking type, but maybe it's just the category that affects the collection

I wonder how Cornucopia's flowers are used for honey, since they don't have the flower_item tag

[uncut viper]

if type is cooking it will show up in the cooking tab

its a "category OR type" check

[vernal crest]

Oh, I got flower2 honey even though I removed the tag

[gray bear]

so, do you not need both then?

[calm nebula]

Flower item is an auto-generated contrct tag

[calm nebula]

Why, CA

[vernal crest]

No it isn't

Oh of course it will be using the category for honey

Duh

All right that's enough flower investigation, back to events

Well, event

[drowsy pewter]

i dont know why our type is flowers

We have so many issues with our Type values apparently 😂

I'm just gonna blame another team member and pretend that I'm a perfect modder

[gray bear]

it was the cat (it's usually the cat) /j

[brittle granite]

for sprites in ce do i have to stay with 16 x 16 or can I up it to like 32x32?

specifically for objects not as much crops

[vernal crest]

ce?

[brittle granite]

sorry Content patcher

[calm nebula]

You have to stay with 16x16 unless you want to use one od a handful of dependencies over it

[vernal crest]

No, objects are 16x16 unless you use a mod like Scale Up 2

[brittle granite]

its like 4 in the morning her, my brain is cooked

ok cool, thank you!

[calm nebula]

I mean, flowers is a perfectly valid type

[brittle granite]

thank you both!

[vernal crest]

There is a beautiful object resprite mod that uses Scale Up 2 but I can't use it because I can't stand the resolution difference 😢

[brittle granite]

makes sense, I play alot of modded and its something that always bugs me.

I have a working modpack with 680 mods and the variety is super funny to see.

[vernal crest]

I can only get to about 500 mods before my game lags too much

[brittle granite]

thats fair, I have that issue on my labtop, but my pc can kick it alright.

[vernal crest]

There's not actually a list of accepted types, is there? As far as I can tell you can use anything, it's just that only specific things will have any code that does anything with them (like Arch or Ring).

[calm nebula]

I was making a bad joke

[vernal crest]

Lol that went way over my head

[hallow prism]

i never had issue so far with my flowers having flower type

why do my flower have flower type is another question entirely

[calm nebula]

It's five in the morning. I woke up at 3am (thanks, jet lag!) And have been chilling watching YouTube videos on strength training ever since

Is it a good use of my time? No

[vernal crest]

I can't see anything telling me that I couldn't have "Type": "Aba's Funky Chickens" though. Unless NetStrings dislike spaces or something.

[calm nebula]

That should be fine

[brittle granite]

absolutely

[calm nebula]

Don't use "Ring", a string that contains "Arch", or apparently "Cooking"

(Unless it's actually a ring, actually an artifact, or actually cooking, respectively)

[vernal crest]

With that timezone it is very easy to guess that you are somewhere in the Americas lol

Or potentially at one of the poles

[brittle granite]

I'm in college currently I have class at 10AM and its 4 AM where I'm at, I might be fighting demons tomorrow saying I even go to sleep right now.

[vernal crest]

You're going to have a tired day

[brittle granite]

thats real, but im always tired so it kinda evens out 😂

I am super proud of what I accomplished today(even if it is little), and getting over the first hurdle is super inspiring. I feel like I can finally create the stuff I've always wanted too.

[vernal crest]

Yay!

[calm nebula]

It will be still here tomorrow

Now go to sleep and get that degree

[brittle granite]

but on that note I should probably go to bed, but Goodluck everybody!

[vernal crest]

Goodnight, hope tomorrow isn't too bad!

[calm nebula]

Scientifically speaking sleep is one of the best things you can do for your brain

(I'm not a hypocrit, I slept earlier, jet lag is jet lag)

[brittle granite]

Thank you lol, I really should, and thank you! I'm sure yall will here me tomorrow too if your on of course!

[calm nebula]

This is an excellent book

[brittle granite]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-gif-12944899486400191725

[calm nebula]

This one too

[vernal crest]

Yess backwards jump achieved

[gentle rose]

non-scientifically speaking sleep is just good

[drowsy pewter]

what about mathematically speaking

[gray bear]

i think scientists agree sleep is good

[gentle rose]

mathematically speaking sleep doesn't exist I'm afraid

[whole raptor]

I'm afraid my brain is irreversibly damaged from lack of sleep at this point

[gray bear]

that's because math lives forever like some sorta hellish wizard

[crude plank]

It exists it's just imaginary, it's called isleep instead there

[fast shore]

Hello everyone! I want to start creating mods with C# (not ContentPatcher) and can't really find a guide that explains some basic stuff like how to add new things

(things in general, like tools, buildings, npcs, locations, whatever)

and if I look at source code it always uses either ContentPatcher or Harmonize

[gentle rose]

the source code for other mods?

[fast shore]

and the wiki says that

Harmony should be a last resort

[calm nebula]

There isn't really a guide when you get to c#

[fast shore]

yeah

[calm nebula]

It isn't really different from CP if you're only interested in asset edits

[gentle rose]

so yeah, first of all, there isn't really a guide. I recommend decompiling the game code and looking through that for some guidance/direction, but also we've spoken about that warning on the wiki being a bit too strong for a while now

[calm nebula]

And if you're not, you quickly get into "welp, figuring it out myself" zone

[fast shore]

well, could anyone help me getting started sometime? I don't mind on starting with small projects and I've got most C# basics down imo, I've made games in Unity.

[calm nebula]

Harmony is a lovely tool. Dangerous but lovely

[gentle rose]

what are you trying to do?

to give you a pointer we need to know what we're pointing to

[calm nebula]

I have long considered Unity such a weird system that it doesn't actually translate tbh

Also, int* here's a pointer

[fast shore]

Yeah I get your point, the idea I had for a final mod was one that has an extra upgrade for the fishing rod so you can add multiple bait and things like that

[vernal crest]

Here are a few pages that I look at:
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Common_tasks
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/APIs/Events
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/APIs/Content

[fast shore]

But I thought it would be better to start easier

[calm nebula]

Super easy. Add your fishing rod to data/tools then set the number of attachments slots higher (may require harmony, but it is a simple method to patch)

Oh, I misread

Multiple bait not more tackles

[fast shore]

wow, where did you find those?

[calm nebula]

Cry while you transpile every location that touches bait

[fast shore]

that looks really helpful

[gentle rose]

atra I am taking away your right to use the word easy

even if it's correct

[vernal crest]

In the getting started guide for C# modding https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/Get_Started. The links to the other pages are in the box at the top right.

[fast shore]

didn't find 'common tasks' there

[vernal crest]

Oh yeah that one is just linked on the index page for some reason

[calm nebula]

Tbh common tasks is a good read but the bulk of c# modding is sitting with the decompile

[gentle rose]

linked in these two pages apparently

[fast shore]

yeah, I've already decompiled the code to take a look at it

my main concern was adding new instances of classes to the game

[calm nebula]

Common tasks is more "random ass tips and tricks to hold in your mind" also it's kinda out of date in places even by 1.5.6

[fast shore]

so new tools and things like that

[calm nebula]

New subclasses are hard

You will need to register your subclass with spacecore

[gentle rose]

new subclasses are scary, I don't want to deal with serialisation

[calm nebula]

(Or deal with xml serialization yourself which I do not recommend)

You do NOT need to do that for more fishing bait (and it would not help tbh)

[fast shore]

I've modded Minecraft some years ago (never got really serious tho) and I remember that that was much easier

with adding new things

[gentle rose]

I think in many ways stardew is as easy as it gets

but that's also why it doesn't have as many tools that simplify adding things the way games like minecraft do

[calm nebula]

(Especially if you want new behavior)

In which case, gl have fun, it's harmony 😛

[fast shore]

spacecore looks cool

alright, I'll take some good looks at the stardew code and try some things

maybe I don't need subclasses tbh

[pine elbow]

Is there any github with an updated version of the source for stardew or just ilspy?

[fast shore]

thanks for your help, i'll probably be back soon

[fast shore]

I'm pretty sure it's just ilspy

[gentle rose]

public github repos of the source code are against Stardew's copyright and shouldn't be shared here or used. Just use ILSpy.

[pine elbow]

ahh yeah makes sense. cool il spy it is

thanks

[ivory peak]

what is the hardest sttardew valley mod?

[vernal crest]

To make?

[blissful panther]

If it's to make, probably SpriteMaster.

[tidal stone]

i think imma make 3 seperate AT files so you can have one with all the dark rocks one with alll the cream rocks and one with both

[lucid iron]

That seems excessive i thought ppl can just turn them off

[tidal stone]

they can?

oh true

its very early in the morning

[orchid glade]

I generally prefer to have all the options in the one mod, and not have to limit myself at time of download.

[tidal stone]

ye its early so i forgot they could just change it cause AT

[tidal stone]

is the meteorite an objectm 🤔 i think it is but i wanna double check

does AT need a content file all the examples i nsee for AT on github just ahve manifest and texture jsons but smapi says it wont load the meteorites without a content file

[ornate trellis]

you need a texture.json for each thing you wanna retexture

[tidal stone]

i have a texture json

but smapi is saying i need a content folder

or json i mean

[vernal crest]

Do you have at as the dependency in your manifest or CP?

[tidal stone]

AGH i apparently saved the at manifest on my cp one and the cp one on my at one

[ornate trellis]

ripperonis

[vernal crest]

All righty time to try NMA again

And Stardrop again, giving me a total of four Stardew installs xD

[tidal stone]

it says it had an error and ie think its the type i gave which is Objet

which i thought the meteorite was but i must be wrong

😭

[ornate trellis]

meteorite should be some sort of ressorce

[pine elbow]

What is a good way to display a sprite for 3ish seconds? Is TemporaryAnimatedSprite the way you should do that?

[tidal stone]

the closest thing to item type im finding is 'boulder' as some things describe it as a type of boulder

that didnt work either

[vernal crest]

You should specify the context you're trying to display it in and also clarify that you're doing it with C# because you might get people suggesting ways to do it in CP otherwise. (My first thought would be TAS but I don't know much C# modding yet.)

[pine elbow]

Yeah C# but I was wondering if there was another way because its doesn't seem to show anything for me.

[ornate trellis]

did you try debris

[tidal stone]

O no lemme try that

[ornate trellis]

tho i thought boulder would do the trick, hm

[tidal stone]

want me to send the log maybe im misunderstanding it

[ornate trellis]

shore

[vernal crest]

Like I mentioned, I'm not very confident with C# yet but what event are you using?

[tidal stone]

https://smapi.io/log/26b06454476c43ad879528c16c1d25e9

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.10 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows 11 Pro, with 100 C# mods and 318 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[tidal stone]

itll say that weather wonders is being skipped but i did that on purpose so i could spawn a meteor

[ornate trellis]

ah

you need ResourceClump

i jsut checked the AT github again

[tidal stone]

thats whts its called?

[ornate trellis]

https://github.com/Floogen/AlternativeTextures/wiki/Texture-Types

[tidal stone]

where did you f-

Ah. thsank you

[pine elbow]

I registered an action when I click on something and then just run location.temporarySprites.Add(new TemporaryAnimatedSprite("LooseSprites/TestSprite", new Rectangle(0, 0, 16, 16), farmer.Position, false, 0, Color.White)); Do you know how you would go about it with CP?

[ornate trellis]

so i was right with resource but wrong on how exactly it was called

[tidal stone]

well now ill know where to find the texture types ty void

[calm nebula]

0 for depth means it is drawing below basically every

[vernal crest]

For a tile action? I don't think that'd be possible with just CP. Maybe one of the map-related frameworks like MMAP or MEEP. Maybe BETAS. Chu does that sort of texture stuff all the time so I think MMAP would be most likely. Oh good, Atra is here to tell you the real answers now.

[calm nebula]

Try 1f for debugging, or the y pixel location/10000 (plus some fudge)

[pine elbow]

ahh i think that was it. its tiny but there. thanks so much.

[tiny zealot]

if it's tiny, you may need to specify 4f for your scale

[calm nebula]

Oh wait, that slot might be zoom

Yeah, if that is the case use game1.pixelzoom (which is 4)

[tidal stone]

ok noow i have no errors but it still wont replace the sprite

🤔

has anyone written AT packs before i can send you a picture of my json and maybe you can tell me what im doing wrong?

or actually does json parser work with

texture json

[shadow pagoda]

This is probably a stretch in the dark, but does anyone know if such a mod exists where you can "simulate" the game without a GUI? Like it turns the game into a text, or makes it so that everything in the game happens much more quickly? I hope I'm explaining it correctly.

[vernal crest]

Yup the json parser will accept it. Just don't set it to CP.

[tidal stone]

ok ty aba

https://smapi.io/json/none/5c3049f391e4464d942345b5ff2dbe91

[vernal crest]

Is it giving you the "meteorite has no valid textures for this season" message when you try to use the paint bucket on it?

[tidal stone]

it doesnt say anything at all

[vernal crest]

So you click on it and nothing happens?

[tidal stone]

yea

[pine elbow]

Got it working properly now. Just used one of the other overloads for scaling, Thanks again so much

[vernal crest]

WHat about if you click on something else? Like your farmhouse or an animal?

[tidal stone]

itll say nothing this nseason

[vernal crest]

I notice that your name of "Meteorite" does not match what the AT docs says is an accepted value.

[tidal stone]

o

i coped how it was with one of the example packs and it just said a object name

[ornate trellis]

oh, aba is right, its referred to as Meteors

[tidal stone]

ill change it ty ty

[tiny zealot]

there are a couple mods that can do fast forward, but i doubt that's what you mean. what are you trying to accomplish?

[vernal crest]

It is Meteor, actually, not with the "s" that Void accidentally added lol

Always a good idea to follow the documentation: https://github.com/Floogen/AlternativeTextures/wiki/Texture-Names#resource-clump-item-names

[shadow pagoda]

Uhhh. Ive thought of training a game ai (not what people think when they hear ai used today) in order to possibly automate a perfectionist run. If you ever watched a code bullet video, that's kinda what I want to do. But that requires a lot of simulation and it would be MUCH easier if I could simulate a few years within the span of seconds. I doubt if anyone has done anything like this before, but I wanted to ask anyway. It would require a lot of prefix harmony implementations

[orchid glade]

You say that, Aba, but that very bit of documentation has a mistake !

[brittle ledge]

Do you mean like a TAS?

[orchid glade]

Valid ItemName for Tree types:

Stump
Log
Meteor
Boulder

[ornate trellis]

nobody is perfect

[vernal crest]

I know it does, but it's better to inspect the documentation and determine that it's wrong than to not use it at all and just guess.

[tiny zealot]

a TAS exists for the game (on an older version, if memory serves) so maybe you could ask them how they did it. but you're right, it would require a ton of patching, since lots of the game code is tied directly to the gui and the update rate

[orchid glade]

I know, just thought it was a funny coincidence

[brittle ledge]

I didn't know there was a Stardew TAS! I'll have to look that up

[shadow pagoda]

Kinda, but tases require input from a human. What I'm thinking of would use "positive reinforcement" (numbers that I give the AI when I do something it wants). When you are training an AI like this, you give it a certain amount of time in order to do what you want it to do (let's say 6 years) and if it did something you like, you would reward it and then it will "learn" to do better in the next simulation.

[vernal crest]

LOL remember how I said the other day I'd never heard of tool assisted speedrun? I thought you were asking Hawker if their plan for a speedrunning AI was like a temp animated sprite xD

[tiny zealot]

tsk, tsk, CA, stealing valor from the previously-existing Tool-Assisted Speedrun acronym /lh

[vernal crest]

I have no input regarding feasibility but I am curious why you want to do this. Is it for the enjoyment of training the AI to achieve something?

[brittle ledge]

You could see what the TAS community is doing (I know they have a TAS-tools version of Wine for windows games) but their scripts usually just output the results and the human chooses the best one.

[tiny zealot]

(TAS tangent) somebody made a video where one set of TAS inputs is guaranteed to beat pokemon platinum no matter which of the 4 billion (intmax) values the RNG starts on. absolutely trippy

[calm nebula]

(I'm very happy that "slightly more dehardcoding" and "surface mounted device" share an acronym)

[calm nebula]

Is that the Pokémon that due to. Glitch always starts the rng at 0

Or was that Emerald

[shadow pagoda]

Mainly for the purpose of doing it. I like studying AI, and I could do this with a smaller project like solving a rubix cube, but I think it's cool. I got somewhat inspired by code bullet and someone else simulating all fire red in order to find a string of inputs that would guarantee the player winning regardless of the seed.

[lucid iron]

A thing with TAS is that ideally it doesn't run by mod loader i feel

[tiny zealot]

atra i think that was emerald

[brittle ledge]

...I also need to look up this

[lucid iron]

To prove whatever you are doing is completely valid for vanilla game

[vernal crest]

I've watched a speedrun once, I think

[lucid iron]

And theoretically possible for human frame perfect georg

[brittle ledge]

(Relatedly, I'm reminded of the AI set up to play Tetris with instructions to go as long as possible without a game over. The AI paused the game.)

[shadow pagoda]

Is there a separate server / community for tases for this game? This is the only channel I have open. I would love to learn more.

[brittle ledge]

I mean the TAS community in general. There's a website at tasvideos.org, not sure if they have a discord.

[calm nebula]

I think try BlaDe's discord

[shadow pagoda]

Can you elaborate a bit?

[shadow pagoda]

Blade?

[lucid iron]

Like make the tool run independently of SMAPI, or anything else that alters the execution of original game

[shadow pagoda]

True, it might be best as a macro

[calm nebula]

BlaDe is a pretty well known stardew speedrunner

He runs a discord for stardew speed running

I think part of that community also does TAS

[proud wyvern]

I honestly don’t think making an AI attempt perfection in Stardew is feasible, with all of the various inputs you can put in, with widely varying variables, under various circumstances

[shadow pagoda]

True. I'm planning on starting with the same seed and possibly changing the time to always be the same (if that somehow matters with some of the rng. Ik there's two different kinds of them). I know even then it would still be a massive task, but I would still like to try to say I did.

[brittle ledge]

Finding the optimal seed is gonna be a task all on its own

[lucid iron]

Is there twitch plays sdv yet

[fathom hound]

[pseudo plinth]

heyha question! for modding the game which mod manager should i use?

[calm nebula]

Nominating you, chue

[proud wyvern]

none

[calm nebula]

#modded-stardew

[proud wyvern]

and ^

[pseudo plinth]

whoops i missed that channel

ty

[proud wyvern]

anyway, i don't understand a thing about that kind of AI, but from the videos i did watch, it seems it only makes sense if its output depends solely on its input - and what would be its input this case?

it doesn't have a memory of its own, so to make it work at all, some of its outputs would need to end up becoming inputs later on in some way

[twilit shard]

Hello guys.
Sorry if I ask dumb questions, but I'm trying to create a simple mod to increase the chance of spawning a ladder when breaking a stone in the mine.
I'm also new at C#, even if I have experience in other langages.
For now, the approach I have is checking the even when a stone is added to player inventory, and check if the player is in the mine.
But my check seam to not work.
is there any other way ?
And how to spawn a ladder, I saw a console command that do it, how to call the function this command is calling ?
I'm struggling a bit with the doc tbh.

Thanks in advence

[tiny zealot]

!decompile with the decompiled source code, you'll have to find the piece of code where the rocks break and ladders potentially spawn. i expect you will need harmony to patch in different values (but i haven't looked)

[ocean sail]

If you want to make SMAPI mods with C#, one important resource is decompiling the game to read the game code. Here's how to do it: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/Get_Started#How_do_I_decompile_the_game_code.3F

To use this command, type !decompile.

[calm nebula]

(I would listen to object removal, the smapi event)

(And spawn ladder from there)

[brittle pasture]

I would probably listen to ObjectListChanged, check if the removed object was a stone with Object.IsBreakableStone, and call MineShaft.createLadderAt

[tiny zealot]

or that! serves me right for not looking

[shadow pagoda]

I would need to think about it more, but the inputs would be the keys pressed and the mouse movements/buttons. I'm not familiar with how tasing does it, but to briefly summarize the algorithm I want to use, it's pretty much a game of Marco polo where the game tries random inputs until it gets the desired output. The training would need smapi in order to get feedback from the game, but the inputs theoretically should be able to run like any other task.

[twilit shard]

Thanks guys,
I'll check it and come back here if I don't find the solution.
Actually, having the decompiled game will be verrrrrrry usefull ❤️

[calm nebula]

(Ducks)

[fast shore]

Is it possible that the wiki is wrong? https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Tools#Upgrades says that there should be a ApplyUpgradeLevelToDisplayName value in ToolData (if i understand correctly), but I can't find it

Here's the decompiled version of ToolData (if this isn't allowed to share, pls tell me): https://sourceb.in/Oq0IHKR8kt

[tiny zealot]

i'm not qualified to speak about tools, but yes, it is possible for the wiki to be wrong. the information is updated by volunteers (us, when we have time)

[vernal crest]

Main page hasn't been updated with 1.6.9 change yet: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Migrate_to_Stardew_Valley_1.6.9#Tool_data_changes

[urban patrol]

i recall pathoschild saying that a new version of CP will be released today. beyond the new commands that will be available to use, will there be anything i need to update about my mod in progress?

[tiny zealot]

no, you can update it on your own schedule (and if you don't need whatever is new, you can just ignore it)

[urban patrol]

cool, thank you

[faint ingot]

wondering if there's anything in content patcher, FTM, or MMAP that will allow me to control the chance to find stuff when digging, anyone?

[royal stump]

Data/Locations controls the chance of finding clay when digging random dirt in each area

[tiny zealot]

isn't most of the artifact spot stuff data-driven now?

(so CP would be able to handle it)

[royal stump]

I don't remember the details that changed in 1.6, but artifact spots have always been controlled by a combination of that and Data/Objects, yeah

FTM can also spawn artifact spots with specific custom contents, if that's the goal

[faint ingot]

maybe a combination of that and the clay chance, thanks

[royal stump]

oh, and the Treasure tile property can contain objects, which is similar to that but without a sprite over it iirc

[faint ingot]

deciding what to do with the center ring here and thinking of making it a desirable digging location

[lucid iron]

It's probably good to use ftm if you don't wanna impact vanilla rates right

That's the recommendation for forage at least

[hallow prism]

if it's your location you can set the artifact spot content in the data of location

[royal stump]

technically, I think spawning things with FTM might reduce further forage growth if the player leaves it there for multiple days
but unlike the base game, FTM will spawn its objects regardless of what's already there, so it's reliable

[hallow prism]

including the chance of finding multiple items

bundle mod can have digging spots similar to the ones in secret notes

[royal stump]

(e.g. the game might see 100 FTM-spawned plants or artifact spots and stop making vanilla forage, I don't remember the logic)

[hallow prism]

FTM was mentioned

[faint ingot]

still "not fully implemented, advise against use?"

[hallow prism]

as far as i remember with unlockable bundles you can even reset a secret dig spot

[royal stump]

I've never tested the property, just saw it mentioned in the code, so defer to anyone who has

[faint ingot]

So in the FTM docs I see settings for forage/monsters/large objects/mining but not digging/treasure spots, am I looking in the wrong place or misunderstanding the use case?

[royal stump]

the docs don't elaborate on it much, but you can make use the "Buried" category in the forage spawner for that

[faint ingot]

ah gotcha i see that now

[royal stump]

so in a forage list, instead of a simple ID like "red mushroom", you'd add an entry like this, and it'd be buried in an artifact spot instead:
{"category": "buried", "contents": ["red mushroom"]}

[urban patrol]

off topic but this map looks cool as hell!!

[faint ingot]

thank you, I'm planning a homage to the old zelda games secret woods where the map repeats until you go in a correct sequence, with a certain direction always exiting the maze

possibly will require unlocking an item or something that will show you the correct path, or maybe just make fog travel in a certain direction on the map that will indicate the right exit

[lucid iron]

Touch warps take a mailflag

Some fiddling with trigger addmail should achieve what you want

[faint ingot]

Yeah I still have to play with it but that's along the lines I was thinking

I thought of maybe using increment_stat instead of a mail flag

[lucid iron]

I don't think that's what touch warp supports tho

[faint ingot]

I was just going to do a CP update to the warps onLocation change

anyway I'll tinker with it still lots to do

what I haven't figured out yet is how this will tie into my overall mod which involves putting NPCs in jail. Like maaaybe there will be a criminal gang hidden in the woods somewhere (I think one of the Zelda games I never played had something like that)... I'm not sure though. Maybe it will just be some random bonus content that won't have a strong thematic tie-in

[lucid iron]

Tbh i assumed this was whole new mod lol, foggy peaks or something

[faint ingot]

yeah understandable you would come to that conclusion. The entry to the maze will be next to the sheriff's office though

and people who aren't interested in the jail aspect can still turn off all the arrest events

[urban patrol]

not sure if you’re interested @faint ingot but i actually ended up making animated lanterns for my mod and didn’t use them in my maps—there’s a blue version like the fire you have and a yellow version like the normal lantern. if you wanted i could send you the file?

[faint ingot]

I'd be happy to take a look thanks

tangent but I made it so those custom trees drop a new type of sap, but I don't think there's a way to stop them from dropping regular sap when chopped down, right? I didn't see anything in the docs on editing wildtrees to that effect

[little anvil]

Hey hey !! I was wondering if you guys had any free coding apps like VScode you would recommend ? I’m currently learning how to use C#, (I already know a few other coding languages), but I didn’t know if there’s any better computer apps other then VScode to code C#, thank you in advance !

[ocean sail]

@little anvil You leveled up to Cowpoke. You can now speak in our voice channels and share images in all channels!

[little anvil]

Finally lol

I just realized I should have used the coding general

I am so sorry

[hot gale]

I got an idea last night for a mod I have no idea how I can possibly make lmao but I got inspired and made a little room to kinda get in the headspace for it in Tiled - gonna have to learn to C# to code out what I want because I know it wouldn't be possible with CP

[lucid iron]

If you want to learn C# for modding this channel is fine

[little anvil]

Ty !! And yeah that’s what I’m using it for

[lucid iron]

For IDE you can use VS community or Rider

Vscode has C# support so it's fine just kinda sucks

[hot gale]

I'd always recommend a full fledge IDE for C# and any real coding language

[little anvil]

Yeah, I mostly used vs code whenever I started out for html lol, never used it for anything else

[hot gale]

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[lucid iron]

There a C# dev kit extension you can get for basic language server stuff

[little anvil]

This is my first time actually trying to code a mod, I usually only do websites

Tysm tho !!

[hot gale]

Are you sure what you want to do requires C#?

[lucid iron]

!startmodding

[ocean sail]

Making mods can be broadly divided into two categories:

• Content packs are formatted text files, and don't need any programming knowledge. They can add/edit NPCs, maps, new items, shops, and more. To get started, see the list of framework mods, the wiki tutorial for Content Patcher, and there might be relevant guides on the tutorial wiki.
• C# mods use programming code to change fundamental game mechanics. See getting started with C# modding.

Usually it’s easier to start with making content packs, since you don't need to learn programming.

To use this command, type !startmodding.