making-mods-general

[lucid iron]

Cornucopia_LotusSeeds in more flowers

[deep cypress]

Its's always Spacecore!!!

[lucid iron]

so yea take ur pick anaira

[summer sluice]

bruh my custom farm isnt commiting the changes

anyone searching for a solution to this same issue:
i copied the file with a different name, (e.g: BushFarm.tmx being copied to a file called BushFarm2.tmx); changed code to load the clone and issue is resolved

this is suffering lol

would anyone happen to know what a common issue for this would be?

[vernal crest]

Are you sure your mod is loading? Are you sure you're saving? Are you sure you're editing the correct file? Have you tried with a new save?

This one is an actual question: are you making a replacer or a new farm?

[summer sluice]

new farm

all of a sudden it just decided to quit updating, even on new saves

[vernal crest]

That sounds like an "editing the wrong file" issue

If you're 1,000% certain that you're editing the right file and that you haven't accidentally changed your code to load the wrong file or something, have you scoured your log?

[summer sluice]

in my whole mod, there's the farm file and one other map file so i'm sure of that

checking code rn holup

code hasn't been touched at all today, issue came up more recently than that

[fathom hound]

im really sorry, i dont see anything Cornucopia_LotusSeeds in SpaceCore or Cornucopia more crops

which file am i supposed to be looking at? like destination

[brittle ledge]

is the lotus in more flowers?

[fathom hound]

i dont see more flowers

but chu said it was!

just dunno where to look

[brittle pasture]

More Flowers is a separate mod

[brittle ledge]

More Flowers is a separate Cornuco... yes, that

[fathom hound]

ohhh

thanks yall sorry i dont play modded LOL

[brittle ledge]

you're missing out 😛

[fathom hound]

after i finish vanilla farms ill play it again

[vernal crest]

Try a patch summary to check all your patches are being applied?

[lucid iron]

why are you making mod if you dont play modded rn

[summer sluice]

yea, it's workin

[fathom hound]

why not?

[vernal crest]

It's just very curious

[summer sluice]

ok just copied the file with a different name, changed code to load the clone and issue is resolved on new saves

[fathom hound]

i just love the game so much i appreciate vanilla for how it is but i like modding

[vernal crest]

Fair enough

[fathom hound]

im just built diff ig idk

[vernal crest]

I couldn't love the game nearly as much without mods

[fathom hound]

its the only game i can play vanilla and love it entirely

[vernal crest]

As great as CA is, he is just one person so he only has so many strengths. With a modding community there's just so many people's strengths added onto his.

[fathom hound]

totally

which is why im SO EXCITED for this mod im making now

its just a couple crops but idc :D

[wind haven]

My game is 85% mods and 15% stardew, and the game wouldn’t be the same without either

[vernal crest]

I also LOATHE the fishing minigame so if I hadn't yeeted that I don't know how long I would've lasted lol

[brisk wedge]

Is there a setting on nexus that lets me edit a mod description using markdown formatting?

[wind haven]

I love fishing, I’ve seen a lot of people don’t

[fathom hound]

did you guys wanna see sneak peek of my mod idea ^_^

[wind haven]

YES

[fathom hound]

also hi apryll

[brittle ledge]

pretty sure it's BBCode only, cat

[deep cypress]

I use BJB Cheasts for the fhishing.... helps so much!

[vernal crest]

No, but Pillow has some thing I'll try to find

[deep cypress]

Hi Anaira!

[fathom hound]

name is tbd hahaha

[deep cypress]

I love that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fathom hound]

thanks im really excited to use it one day heheheh

[deep cypress]

It feels like it fits in really well with the lore!

[brittle ledge]

yeah I always make mods I want to play with so that's why I'm surprised you make mods and don't play with them

[fathom hound]

i try my best to be as vanilla-coded as possible

[deep cypress]

Imma go to bed, work onite, good nite all!

[fathom hound]

oh i definitely will, just not rn :p want all perfections first

[fathom hound]

gn sleep well

[brittle pasture]

there was someone who wanted to make mods without even owning a (PC copy of) the game

only Switch

[fathom hound]

LOL aww

[vernal crest]

Lol I have never achieved perfection on any save

[brittle pasture]

we told them to buy the game, but they say they wanted to do it mainly to practice pixel arts and not actually play

[brittle ledge]

some people like the act of creating! I think it's just easier to find and get enthused for an idea that you yourself would enjoy using

[brittle pasture]

which, well, I suppose

[fathom hound]

6 so far, wanting a total of 9! all vanilla farms+a modded farm. then im probably done with perfection until HC

[fathom hound]

im more excited for people to play with my ideas than me playing with it tbh

CA is the whole reason why im in college to wanna be in game design to begin with

[vernal crest]

I'm excited to play my own mechanics mods but less so with the story mods because I just wrote it all, I know what's going to happen

That being said in a few years I'm going to be like "wow this Hiria mod is really great! Who made this?!" xD

[fathom hound]

trust me ive been ITCHING to play with my vanilla cooking recipes

[brittle ledge]

You're not at that Rochester college for game design, are you? Their final projects seem to often be Stardew mods so you'd have an edge

[fathom hound]

wait really????????? im in city college, but i might transfer bahahah

[brittle ledge]

You've not seen their mods before?

[fathom hound]

no o:

[lucid iron]

wait really

[fathom hound]

really o: i'm interested

[brittle ledge]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/30125 here's one of the ones I remember

They usually involve some small storyline

[fathom hound]

i got a 105 in my class using stardew the entire time LOL, but it wasnt a comp sci class

[fathom hound]

this is an insane mod LOL wow

imagine being in SC then all of a sudden ur in purgatory

[vernal crest]

Whoops it wasn't even Pillow's. Anyway there is a converter so you can write in markdown and get bbcode. https://miome.github.io/githubmd-to-nexusmodsbbcode/

[brittle ledge]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/23201 here's another one

[hallow igloo]

haha valid!

[lucid iron]

its shame they r just made once and done

[fathom hound]

do you guys think it would be safer to use SpaceCore or this as a framework for multiple yields???

[lucid iron]

spacecore is more common

not a safe thing just convienance thing

[fathom hound]

nothing to do with the whole "save serializer" thing?

im assuming they both do that

[brittle ledge]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/19528 okay this looks cute

[lucid iron]

spacecore does a bunch of things

[fathom hound]

wait thats adorable

[lucid iron]

save serializer is a feature unrelated to the crop drop feature

[fathom hound]

gotcha, just wasnt sure if one would be less reactive to updates than another

[lucid iron]

well multi yield crops is cherrychain-pathos and spacecore is casey

both r 1.6 dev so they would surely know if updoot

[fathom hound]

ohhh gotcha

okay cool, i might just do spacecore then

[brittle ledge]

yeah, in general messing with the save serializer can be risky, but if there's two people we can trust to do so safely it's 1.6 devs Casey and Pathos

[fathom hound]

i kinda want to understand all the elements of the mod im making before i dive into it... can someone explain to me what makes this a multi yield crop because i see both id's are the same

also thanks all!

[lucid iron]

the second one is gated by a When cond

as for why its there twice with the same data, im not sure

6480 would know

[fathom hound]

oh okay, so if i have 2 crops from the same plant every single harvest, do i just need to add both id and itemid's with each other?

[lucid iron]

pick one crop as the main one

and the other one goes in the Drops list

[fathom hound]

Stardrop is main and Stardrop Tea Leaves is second

tysm chu! <3

[unique mountain]

I want to make animated portrait for Romanceable Rasmodius Redux Revamped(RRRR) and I use spacecore to do it.
Code in the image can run without error and in game portrait are animated but RRRR has seasonal outfit and hairstyle that can be customized. I don't know how to add that part I understand a little bit about dynamic token but don't know how to apply with spacecore.

[lucid iron]

it depends on how RRRR setup their portraits

if they load the seasonal hairstyle/outfit to a different target, you also target that one

if they are doing EditImage on the base portrait, you will need to follow their When conditions

should you require their settings tokens, use CMCT

[fathom hound]

Wish I could mod on the go :(

where would fully grown crop sprites be?

[lucid iron]

@ivory plume hi pathos how are you
Do you have thoughts about mod integration for Lookup Anything? My specific situation is that I am making a stardewui mod which does not allow me direct access to the implementation of IClickableMenu, so I can't do the hoveredItem thing, instead I have a terrible harmony patch on GetSubject instead. It would be nice if I could direct manage what my hovered item is, though I am not sure what this looks like as API.

[wanton pebble]

(Is there a quick way to force the pregnancy question?)

[lucid iron]

yea i have a wip mod for that

[lucid iron]

https://github.com/Mushymato/HaveMoreKids/releases/tag/0.4.0

there's settings to make the question chance 100%

maybe i ought to make a trigger too

just so u know i suspect this explodes polysweet

[wanton pebble]

I mean

I don't mind it exploding PolySweet since I'm using Polyamory

But if it explodes Polyamory, I shall sob and manually figure out the pregnant stuff

I've figured out the problem set of code, I just don't know what's tripping it to make it always hit the "else" statement:

[HarmonyPatch(typeof(QuestionEvent), nameof(QuestionEvent.setUp))]
        public static class QuestionEventPatch_setUp
        {
            public static bool Prefix(int ___whichQuestion, ref bool __result)
            {
                if (___whichQuestion == 1)
                {
                    if (lastPregnantSpouse == null)
                    {
                        __result = true;
                        return false;
                    }
                    Response[] answers = new Response[]
                    {
                    new("Yes", Game1.content.LoadString("Strings\\Events:HaveBabyAnswer_Yes")),
                    new("Not", Game1.content.LoadString("Strings\\Events:HaveBabyAnswer_No"))
                    };

                    if (lastPregnantSpouse.Gender == Game1.player.Gender)
                    {
                        Game1.currentLocation.createQuestionDialogue(Game1.content.LoadString("Strings\\Events:HavePlayerBabyQuestion", lastPregnantSpouse.Name), answers, new GameLocation.afterQuestionBehavior(AnswerPregnancyQuestion), lastPregnantSpouse);
                    }
                    else
                    {
                        Game1.currentLocation.createQuestionDialogue(Game1.content.LoadString("Strings\\Events:HavePlayerBabyQuestion_Adoption", lastPregnantSpouse.Name), answers, new GameLocation.afterQuestionBehavior(AnswerPregnancyQuestion), lastPregnantSpouse);
                    }
                    Game1.messagePause = true;
                    __result = false;
                    return false;
                }
                return true;
            }
        }

And yes, I know it's that - deleting that code set makes me able to have bio children

or at least it does if I also remove the thing prefixing the event itself, mind*

[lucid iron]

ah yea thats a skipping prefix huh

[wanton pebble]

Yeah. something in it is forcing always adoption and I have checks nine hours left to figure out what

[lucid iron]

which mod has this code?

[wanton pebble]

Polyamory!

[rigid musk]

You know, I was about to ask a question and i answered it myself.. let's see if I can do dynamic tokens without help this time 😎

[wanton pebble]

(The EnderTedi one)

[lucid iron]

im guessing lastPregnantSpouse.Gender is not updating as expected then

[wanton pebble]

Yeah, that's what I'm suspecting too. I'll have to chase that down

[lucid iron]

i did have it on to-do to make polyamory work properly with my mod

it might be ok?

since i never patch this method only the night event picking thing

[wanton pebble]

we'll see in a moment, I'm resetting everything rq and adding the Have More Kids thing

[lucid iron]

making new mod: fun and enjoyable
integration testing with other mods: death

[molten owl]

^
this is so true

[mossy stump]

Hi

[wanton pebble]

Oh my goodness I am such an idiot, even if this wasn't my code, the answer was right in front of me the whole time

[fathom hound]

I’m curious & a noob, what was it?

[wanton pebble]

check the checks here

The have player baby question - the non adoption one - fires if if (lastPregnantSpouse.Gender == Game1.player.Gender)

except

If that's true, then that means that's a same sex relationship

[lucid iron]

oh ig it just doesnt check SpouseAdopts at all then

[fathom hound]

Ahh

[wanton pebble]

I'm sitting here this entire time and going "why am I always adopting???" and it's because Polyamory's check checks the wrong way

At least it's an easy fix?

[lucid iron]

yea

no magic same sex bio kids for u

[light bramble]

do we know what the string of text is if you do not add the stardrop tea with a gift taste/message?

Asking because the person I'm making an NPC for wants to incorperate parts of it into the dialogue for that gift item.

[ivory plume]

The GetSubject patch is probably the simplest solution for now. Adding an API for Lookup Anything is on my to-do list, but it'll be a bit complicated due to the object graph involved (i.e. you'd need either a hard dependency on Lookup Anything, or to copy lots of interfaces into your code).

[lucid iron]

stardrop tea response is special

if you look at npcgifttaste note how no one has StardropTea

but everyone has AcceptGift_(O)StardropTea in their dialogues

[light bramble]

I know, it's kinda why I want to know what the game spits out if there isn't that bit of text XD

We want to add a "glitch" for the NPC Glitch

[ivory plume]

The game will use the first NPC dialogue key which exists in this order:

AcceptGift_(O)StardropTea
AcceptGift_Loved_<context tag>
AcceptGift_Positive_<context tag>
AcceptGift_<context tag>
AcceptGift_Loved
AcceptGift_Positive
AcceptGift

If none of those exist, it'll fallback to their loved dialogue in Data/NPCGiftTastes.

[fathom hound]

Is there a way to make my dish item glow yellow with spacecore? I might add that in next VCR update

[brittle pasture]

not spacecore, but item extensions have the item light source thing

[fathom hound]

Thanks!

[brittle pasture]

(I used to suggest adding torch_item tag but that does... strange things)

[lucid iron]

but its optimal

does it let u put dish on a fence

[light bramble]

Wait

What?!

Also I'm using the NPC builder...the one that's a google sheets thing...I am HELLA confused on the Data/Shedule tab....

[latent mauve]

What's confusing you about it?

I'd love to get feedback so I can improve it, if something is too confusing!

[ebon mesa]

i think i should get the mod maker role i know how to print hello world with python

[light bramble]

I guess I just don't know how all the parts work together, even with the little bits of information in the form of the comments on each cell. It just feels like I might make a big mistake (have already because my NPC just spinns...)

and I unfortunately need to go do some errands so I won't be at my PC for a bit

[lucid iron]

the best way to learn more about the innards of an npc is to open them up

[gaunt heath]

Some of the weirdness got fixed!

Like this one

[latent mauve]

No worries, the schedule tab is pretty bare bones, so if you are doing something complicated with it, there might be some weirdness. I'll also be unavailable for most of the day, but when you have time, if you can share what you've got in the schedule tab, I can take a look at it.

Using the wiki alongside it may help, also

[gaunt heath]

Tragically I'm pretty sure only the OG torch will go on fences

[latent mauve]

[[Modding:Schedule_data]]

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Schedule_data

[hot gale]

Annoying that when you set an NPC to wander within a square, they don't listen to barriers or anything at all lol

Just walks all over trees, through buildings etc

[woeful acorn]

Oh nooo, is that the case? I was thinking of having one of my NPCs do the wander thing but now I’m thinking maybe not lol. Could be cool for like a ghost npc tho haha

[hot gale]

Yeah mine walk through anything if the x_y is too big

I just have to fine tune where they walk to and how big an area they have to wander there

[urban patrol]

this is a very big advantage to my NPCs being ghosts 😂 oh, they're clipping through the walls? it's a feature not a bug

[hot gale]

I started with a square of 8_8 and they just walk as though there is nothing in their way which is a big bummer but it can be avoided

Would be cool if I could set like 15_15 and they just figure it out but alas

[lucid iron]

you can try MEEP instead

[hot gale]

Oh?

[lucid iron]

the farm animal npcs do obey collision more

[hot gale]

I will look into that thanks chu 😁

My NPCs are just there for flavor anyway, they don't need to be complex

I just wanted my meadery to feel more alive

Then NPCs were such a rabbit hole lmao

Requiring gift tastes is an odd requirement to have a schedule lol

Thankfully there are free use assets for NPCs on Nexus too lmao

[brisk wedge]

How bad is it to stick my monitor and config a static class as public fields? I'm getting tired of writing an initialize function for every class...

[lucid iron]

i do this all the time

its not that bad since Mod is usually singleton

[light bramble]

so time in stardew is based on a 24hr time clock....right?

Like for scheduels and stuff

[latent mauve]

Correct.

[urban patrol]

technically a 26 hr clock, since it goes to 2am, but yes for example 2pm would be 1400

[light bramble]

I guess when I mention 24hr time clock I meant military time lol I've just always called it 24hr time

[hard fern]

Yeah, those are the same thing

So both names are correct

🤔 i guess because saying something like 17:45 is easier to understand than 5:45 pm

In the military

[latent mauve]

Your valid frame for scheduling times is after 600 and before 2600. You can also schedule at 0 to try to start somewhere, but that's an odd exception.

600 won't throw an error but it also sometimes might just not work

[hard fern]

I hear 0 schedules have problems sometimes, why is that?

[latent mauve]

I think they cause NPCs to spawn duplicates sometimes under certain conditions, but I am not sure of the specifics

[light bramble]

Ok fireredlilly, this is what I have for my first entry for the defaults you have listed in the schedule tab for the npc builder.

But he just...spins

[hard fern]

Spins...

Perhaps he's stuck?

Well, he must be stuck . But like, stuck in the map?

[light bramble]

I've made sure all the possible tiles he could walk on are passible...

Unless I've built the bed wrong....

[hard fern]

Well uh

I dont quite know how the schedule builder is meant to work

But

Between times,

You don't have anything separating them

[light bramble]

pictures in order of layers.
1 Front
2 Buildings
3 back2

Did I maybe build the bed wrong?

XD

Beds suck

[hard fern]

Hm, no i think it looks... Correct ? I can't tell because the layers aren't isolated

Where does your npc spawn?

As in where in the bed

[light bramble]

{"X": 3, "Y": 5}```

[hard fern]

Where is 3, 5 supposed to be?

Like which tile...

[hard fern]

Hmm

[light bramble]

for testing right now, but I want him to be IN the bed in the mornins eventually

[hard fern]

Can you show the schedule in the Jason?

*json

[light bramble]

So that's the small issue...I got so annoyed I deleted it all 😭

[hard fern]

....

[light bramble]

the schedule that is

I was annoyed >_<

and mad at myself

[latent mauve]

It's possible that the delimiter part of the code is broken in the sheet, I can check

You should have a / between each stop in your schedule

[hard fern]

In the spreadsheet screenshot, it did look like it was missing, but i wasn't sure if it was meant to be added later

[light bramble]

isolated layers

Bu is buildings

[hard fern]

Oh ok i wasn't quite sure which tile was on which at first 😅

[latent mauve]

Okay, it was working on my copy but the formula on the original must have been altered at some point. It should be fixed now?

[light bramble]

I will get the new version and see >_<

testing >_<

[latent mauve]

updated formula in the Entry 1 block is =IF(D5="","Schedules must have 2 stops to be valid.",CONCATENATE("""",B3,""": ",CONCATENATE(TEXTJOIN("/",TRUE,TEXTJOIN(" ",TRUE,CONCATENATE("""",B5),B6,B7,B8,B9,B10,B11),TEXTJOIN(" ",TRUE,C5,C6,C7,C8,C9,C10,C11),TEXTJOIN(" ",TRUE,D5,D6,D7,D8,D9,D10,D11),TEXTJOIN(" ",TRUE,E5,E6,E7,E8,E9,E10,E11),TEXTJOIN(" ",TRUE,F5,F6,F7,F8,F9,F10,F11)),""","))) if you just wanted to copy/paste the new one without making a fresh copy.

(the Entry 1 output is how the JSON should be formatted for the schedule entry, so if you copy/paste that in here and say you have issues, they should be pretty easy to check in the future)

[light bramble]

Ok...so now I have to wonder...does the map property "NPCWarp" just not work?

[steep quest]

Can anyone fix this RPG mod for Stardew Valley version 1.6?

[uncut viper]

this isn't the place to ask for mod updates or to ask mod authors to work on specific mods

[light bramble]

ok. I had tried doing the copy paste but it gave me the formula XD

[gentle rose]

(in case anyone is wondering, the mod ideas repo is not the correct place to request mod updates either)

[latent mauve]

Weird. Google doing shenanigans again xD

[uncut viper]

if you'd like to try your hand at updating it for 1.6 yourself though, this channel can help if you have questions

[light bramble]

anyways, it works now, but the NPCWarp map property is being funky

[latent mauve]

Is it not recognizing the property if you patch export the map?

[light bramble]

idk if I need it or not XD

the x is where the warp is set to be

but I gotta go again

[steep quest]

Sorry

[latent mauve]

Alright. When you get back, check that the tile is NPCPassable since it looks like it might be on a Buildings layer and NPCWarp requires the NPC to walk onto it

[craggy cape]

tryna convert a JA mod to CP and im just very confused on how to work the python script..

its the korea blossoms mod

maybe the cherry blossom cafe mod too if i can get that to work

[light bramble]

So do I just put tile data on it that says NPC passable true

I’ll look at the wiki when I get home

Going to do some shopping

[latent mauve]

Yes, you just put that in the Building object layer

[craggy cape]

ok now python keeps autoclosing lol

how do you work the converter, i dont understand one bit

[brittle ledge]

(huh, schedules have to have two stops?)

[uncut viper]

they dont

everyones GreenRain schedule is a single entry

[brittle ledge]

Oh man, I remember this one. It was kind of buggy back in 1.5 too, so I imagine even if anyone picks up the idea, they'll just rewrite it. That said, you might be interested in Vanilla Plus Professions which has talent point skill trees and bonus skills, which might be the same vibe you're looking for?

[latent mauve]

Yep, I ran into that issue personally

Doesn't necessarily apply if you are using the command for NO_SCHEDULE or GOTO which are not stops

[brittle ledge]

hm they sure do: "GreenRain": "610 Mountain 24 31 2 demetrius_hazmat",

[uncut viper]

greenrain schedules dont use those

[steep quest]

yes friend I'm looking for exactly these types of mods

[brittle ledge]

!vpp here you go!

[ocean sail]

Vanilla Plus Professions is a professions and talents mod by KediDili. It expands on the vanilla professions by adding new profession choices at levels 15 and 20 and adds a new talent tree for each skill where players can earn talent points to purchase perks that improve various gameplay aspects. It has been released on 25th of December.
It can be downloaded from Nexus: https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/20054

To use this command, type !vpp.

[latent mauve]

I've definitely gotten errors due to not having two stops before

But I can revise my comment if needed

[brittle ledge]

it's not a hardcoded exception for greenrain, is it?

[steep quest]

Thank you friend, you are a friend, friend

[uncut viper]

its only hardcoded in the sense that it specifically loads the GreenRain schedule if its green raining year 1

but it runs the same schedule parser as any other

[latent mauve]

It's usually not a hardship to have two stops for a custom NPC since the last stop is usually their bed, but I can change the comment if it's not technically accurate

[uncut viper]

i would say it is not technically accurate. it also stops you from doing Replacement schedules if you keep it

[latent mauve]

I don't even cover replacement schedules in the schedule tab, that's how barebones it is

I can revise it when I expand those options

[brittle ledge]

hm, I was thinking I'd seen some NPCs with one stop (like 0 schedule ones) but all of the ones I'm seeing are at least two

[latent mauve]

A recommended troubleshooting step for broken schedules was making sure it had a second point for a bit in here, which is likely where I picked up that it was necessary

[uncut viper]

i could def see it helping troubleshooting, hard to tell if theyre broken or just staying in place all day on purpose otherwise

[brittle ledge]

Ah! Muadhnait has a schedule with one stop, if you want to see, Lily https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/5053

[brittle ledge]

Which is a good idea and you could decide you want to keep that in there just to make it easier on folks!

I was mostly curious because I hadn't seen it before.

[uncut viper]

well, again, it'd block those same kinds of greenrain schedules and doing replacement schedules for inaccessible locations, since those are also a single entry

[latent mauve]

I'll make a note to add a separate section for replacement and greenrain schedules and explain that the 2 stops thing doesn't happen there

[uncut viper]

but the point is that greenrain schedules are not unique

the two stops thing doesnt happen anywhere

they arent parsed any differently from any other schedule

[brittle ledge]

Yeah, you can have multiple stops with a green rain schedule, I think vanilla just doesn't.

[latent mauve]

That text currently only shows up in the Entry 1 box when there is only one stop, so I can pretty easily just omit if that's the problem

[uncut viper]

(the replacement schedules ARE more semi-hardcoded though only in the sense that vanilla only checks 3 locations, but thats kind of a special case anyway since its not treating the entire replacement as a schedule, just replacing one bit inside a different schedule)

(but point there being that you wouldnt be able to fool-proof hardcode for them, bc a mod can add more)

[latent mauve]

To be fair, the builder sheet is limited to begin with

Because I am not validating GSQs for conditions, just saying that they can use them and linking to the wiki

So it's probably fine to remove the extra text if it's confusing and link to replacement schedules on the wiki

[uncut viper]

my onion is just that it shouldnt warn or prevent being able to do something that can actually be done and doesnt cause problems, if its intended to be an objective npc builder
other people may have different onions

[latent mauve]

I'm not trying to be the next Miss Coriel NPC Creator, just filling in a temporary gap

But I can remove the text if you feel that strongly about it

[uncut viper]

either that or if someone uses it and then asks in here how they can make their npc just stay in one place on it i can direct them to you /lh
(pls also be taking everything here with a /lh tone tag attached, i dont want to give off the impression i have strong feelings either. just pointing out what the vanilla code does and providing input)

[latent mauve]

(I woke up feeling like I had shards of glass in my throat so I am not in the right headspace to handle criticisms at this time, even if they are lighthearted. I can look at improving it when I am recovered and less sick)

[latent mauve]

Sorry to kill the mood! I removed my earlier comments because they came across as more aggressive than intended. I'll step away for now and see y'all another day.

[uncut viper]

(i hope you feel better soon )

[rigid musk]

Do I actually have to make a mail entry for a mail flag that I'm just using as a when condition

[uncut viper]

no

[rigid musk]

absolutely radical

behold, probably the singular most complex event I will ever code in my life (i hate this I dont want to do it again, i dont want to test it, it hurts my brain and three parts of it are duplicated, i am going to explode)

To do conversation topics, you'd have to do an edit data entry for every npc with the CT right

[rigid oriole]

dang I just put my whole event in thr i18n

[rigid musk]

I mean that is with i18n tokens...

[rigid oriole]

I believe so 🥹

[rigid musk]

its just a long event

[rigid oriole]

No i mean i don't split out the dialogue 💀

I probably should

[rigid musk]

i thought so... how agonizing truly

Do you mean like... you don't have dialogue tokens?

er i18n tokens

sorry I havent slept yet lmao

[rigid oriole]

My data events patch just points to one i18n token like "eventkey/preconditions": "{{i18n:the whole darn thing}}"

I should change it bc it's bad practice and I'm creating tech debt

Does i18nifier do events

[rigid musk]

That's... that's horrifying to hear oh my goodness

[rigid oriole]

I've broken lily... this is a sign I should fix my mod

[rigid oriole]

So I'm hearing there's a market for a default conversation topic dialpgue mod

(I actually also have a need for this mod)

Bundle repeatable convo topics into it methinks

[rigid musk]

Godspeed soldier that sounds horrifying I didn't even know that it was possible to put your entire event into an i18n token

Ah but I want each thing to be unique for each npc to be fair... so it makes sense to have to do each entry

even if I will loathe it

[rigid oriole]

Ah I see

ok i18nifier does events i am saved

[fathom hound]

https://www.stardewvalleywiki.com/Friendship I thought someone fixed this. Why did it get reverted back??

[uncut viper]

you're just linking to an entire wiki page without any context... ?

[fathom hound]

talking to them once per day (normally +20; otherwise +10 if the villager is in the middle of a special animation, like exercising or using a camera)

Sorry thought I replied to first message

Supposed to be just +20

[fossil osprey]

According to history the change is still there and not reverted, but indeed the change isn't visible for some reasons

[uncut viper]

it is visible for me

[fathom hound]

It’s not visible for mobile then?…

[fossil osprey]

Weird

[fathom hound]

Very weird..

[fossil osprey]

Maybe mobile, maybe a cache issue?

[fathom hound]

Prob

[gentle rose]

looks correct to me, so it's probably caching

[spice inlet]

The 1.6 raccoon bundle is missing the page overview screen, so I tried making one myself out of (mostly) vanilla assets
Turned out better than I thought

[light jasper]

@rancid musk thanks for the pr, I’m away this weekend but I’ll get it checked and merged as soon as I get back

[rancid musk]

Sounds good. I'm currently planning to release on March 31st.

[grand edge]

odd, i have it too

and im on pc

[ivory plume]

Yep, it's a reader cache issue. If you're logged out, you see the more aggressively cached version (which still has the old text); if you're logged in you see the latest version.

[shut mountain]

"PurchaseRequirements": "b 1" is not working on my boots. I'm trying to make the purchase requirement be reaching the bottom of the mines and the wiki said that b is the alias for that requirement. I tried ReachedMineBottom instead, that didn't work either, and I'm about ready to screech at someone ;-;

[brittle pasture]

is this a JA thing?

[shut mountain]

Yep

[brittle pasture]

we recommend just using CP now

[shut mountain]

Okay but what if I don't wanna do that

[brittle pasture]

then you probably won't get much help unfortunately. pretty much every modder has migrated

[ivory plume]

That value seems correct based on the documentation. If it's not working, you could try asking on the Json Assets page if you don't get an answer here.

[shut mountain]

Okay. Thanks

[rigid musk]

I was wondering why that seemed odd I only used JA once or twice before 1.6 came along

[shut mountain]

It's the only thing I was good at

[rigid musk]

It's okay! CP isn't really too hard I promise (if you wanted to transfer to that for more support)

Even the more complex bits are easy to understand once you get a few examples

[shut mountain]

I'm not even gonna bother. This game hates me and atp I hate it more

[tender bloom]

JA is actually a very thin wrapper around the game format

I’m not familiar with the purchase requirements field

But might be an issue with the preconditions feature?

[brittle pasture]

in CP that would just be a Condition field

[tender bloom]

Like JA uses what’s it called

That other mod

For extra preconditions

[brittle pasture]

EPU

[tender bloom]

And I haven’t prodded that integration

I can say that you can just edit using CP after the fact if it comes down to it

JA is doing content edits at this point

[cunning kiln]

Poking my head in with a quick question - where does the game keep track of what shows up in each mine level (for example, iron doesn't really show up until level 40)? I thought it would be in Data, but can't find it.

[brittle pasture]

hardcoded

[uncut viper]

thats all hardcoded

[cunning kiln]

So not editable? Or only editable with something more than CP?

[uncut viper]

anything is editable with C#

[cunning kiln]

I am not yet that brave, but maybe someday😅 Thank you!

[brittle pasture]

you're free to add your own spawn on top of the vanilla spawns with FTM

[cunning kiln]

I'm looking at what Various Coal Ores is doing. It's interesting that FTM isn't required, but Item Extensions is.

[uncut viper]

IE is for custom new nodes

[royal stump]

FTM only partially supports the mines, but IE can mix nodes into them on its own, yeah

[cunning kiln]

Something to mull over. Thanks again, everyone!

[ivory plume]

(Another perfect number flashes by on SMAPI's Nexus page. )

[hot gale]

Is there a guide on how to do water in Tiled? lol

[rigid oriole]

Is anyone willing to take a peek at this event for me? When I choose the dialogue option that leads to the fork, once the fork starts, Haley just repeats her dialogue line infinitely
https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/316cc262533a486b980f7fd8873db592

(sorry for the very very long line)

[urban patrol]

i'm not sure how i18n works, but could you send what that entry is too just to be safe?

i18n:Events.Haley-2.Fork.0 this one

[rigid oriole]

"Events.Haley-2.Fork.0": "So anyway, did you need something else from me?"

she does her speak command just fine, it's just that the event does not continue

[ivory plume]

Just as a test, can you try adding a pause 500/ before the speak command? I seem to recall some issues related to some commands being first after a fork.

[rigid oriole]

fixes it! thanks

[deep cypress]

In the stardew wiki, on the editing map page.

[gentle rose]

is it time based or just sequential? like, would a different command/a lower pause work?

[ivory plume]

No idea! We'll need to look into what the issue is at some point, and either fix or document it.

[rigid oriole]

i think events r just finnicky

[urban patrol]

you could test with a pause 1 just to experiment

[gentle rose]

if it's just sequential, now I'm wondering what the best nop command would be haha

ig you could always try pause 0

[rigid oriole]

In my experience, you can't move farmer _ _ _/move NPC _ _ _ or people just walk off screen. You have to put em in the same move command

i wonder if a pause would let you do it then if you didn't want them to move in sync?

[urban patrol]

you can move multiple actors in the same move command? wild!

[gentle rose]

tia also mentioned in another server that there's an issue with positionOffset and move being combined (that doesn't exist with positionOffset and advancedMove)

[urban patrol]

i thought you had to do BeginSimultaneousCommand to have people move at the same time

[gentle rose]

can't advancedMove do multiple actors?

[rigid oriole]

/move farmer 0 -3 1 Haley -7 0 is a valid move i believe

i thought advancedMove could only do one actor

[gentle rose]

idk tbh, I have literally never done an event

[rigid oriole]

they are kinda fun I won't lie. Coming up with the idea is the hardest part in my experience

[gentle rose]

once 1.6.16 rolls around I will write one

because I'm waiting for the gotos

[rigid oriole]

sorry what

[gentle rose]

1.6.16 is bringing gotos to events!

[urban patrol]

i'm curious, what would you use a goto for in an event? forks?

[gentle rose]

forks already exist afaik

[rigid oriole]

goto sounds kinda fun

[urban patrol]

yeah they do, i'm just not sure what i would use a goto for haha

[rigid oriole]

is there a WIP changelist for 1.6.16?

[rigid oriole]

skip half an event for some reason

[gentle rose]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Migrate_to_Stardew_Valley_1.6.16

-# I want to make a turing machine using an event

[ivory plume]

(The new goto command can be used for advanced control flow. You can move backwards and forwards to arbitrary points in the event which can be used for all sorts of things like repeating a dialogue, showing multiple variations within an event depending on arbitrary conditions, choose-your-own-adventure flow, etc.)

[gentle rose]

-# which is triggered through a puzzle where you use automate to build logic gates

[urban patrol]

ahhh i see yeah the repeatability does seem super useful!

[gentle rose]

-# pathos is enabling my jahooma's logicbox -type crimes

[uncut viper]

i mean, null is a command that literally does nothin

[gentle rose]

well

I have no excuse I just know nothing about events

[uncut viper]

tbf, its not on the events wiki page

though, it being a complete nop is actually a problem, because it never increments the event command enumerator

so unless you wanna make a custom not-quite-nop then pause probably is the way to go

[mortal verge]

Would anyone happen to know if Portraiture is still broken while dealing with HD portraits of any kind?

[tender bloom]

I thought it worked?

Try it and see!

[crude plank]

It does but there's some extra steps that i unfortunately don't remember but i bet there's a comment on the nexus page detailing it

[mortal verge]

I've been trying several of the methods mentioned online, I might've missed something but while most methods simply didn't change anything the last one left Lewis a little thinner than I remembered him.

[ivory plume]

(The new Nexus update seems to have an issue with duplicate comments getting posted.)

[uncut viper]

do they appear after a refresh? nexus has always done that for me when i initially reply to someone, but its gone after a refresh

[ivory plume]

Yep. I've been seeing a lot of duplicate comments from players too; one player posted 17 duplicate comments on one of the mods.

[crude plank]

You can always just copy the HD potraits and plop them in your portrature folder

[uncut viper]

ah, well,

[rigid oriole]

rip idempotency, you were a real one

[crude plank]

They really really wanted to make sure you see their comment

[mortal verge]

I'm assuming you mean putting all the respective PNG's within a single folder under the portraits one, which is what prompted Lewis being incorporeal.

[crude plank]

And you're sure you put them in the correct folder and the PNGs are named correctly?

[uncut viper]

(this seems more like modded tech support?)

[crude plank]

True you should go there if you can't figure it out

[mortal verge]

Ah my mistake I commented here since it was one of the most recent mentions of the mod when searching here, I'll make my case there, then. Thanks for the advice either way.

[true fable]

how do i re-pack files after editing the sprites?

[hard fern]

i smell xnb modding

[true fable]

sorry i just wanted to make my oc

[crude plank]

@ivory plume i was told that if i link my github on the wiki and i ask you nicely i can get access to the decompile repo, so may i pretty please have access?

[gentle rose]

there are better ways to do this - look into content patcher

!startmodding

[ocean sail]

Making mods can be broadly divided into two categories:

• Content packs are formatted text files, and don't need any programming knowledge. They can add/edit NPCs, maps, new items, shops, and more. To get started, see the list of framework mods, the wiki tutorial for Content Patcher, and there might be relevant guides on the tutorial wiki.
• C# mods use programming code to change fundamental game mechanics. See getting started with C# modding.

Usually it’s easier to start with making content packs, since you don't need to learn programming.

To use this command, type !startmodding.

[true fable]

i dont know crap about modding

i just changed a few sprites and want them to show up in game

i changed some sprite sheets. made sure the dimensions and stuff were the same as the unedited versions

i cant code or anything. i can do simple pixel edits and thats it

[rigid oriole]

you only have to write a few lines of JSON to use content patcher, no C# requried

[true fable]

whats a json

look, when i say i dont know anything on making mods or coding, i genuinely mean it. I have 0 technical skills whatsoever

[gentle rose]

nobody is born with modding knowledge, you know

[crude plank]

at some point everyone here knew exactly 0, you can learn. It's not rocket science to make a CP pack

[hard fern]

never too late to learn

[true fable]

where do i learn this

[hard fern]

....here?

well, there's no one place to learn it

[gentle rose]

I linked you a bunch of tutorials a few messages up

[true fable]

okay so how to i get the sprites i made to appear in game

[gentle rose]

in the governor command

[crude plank]

literally linked here how to start

[true fable]

i dont even understand that

[hard fern]

have you even read it.

you get the sprites in the game by making a simple CP pack

[gentle rose]

it's a list of links to tutorials? there's nothing to understand

[true fable]

im not trying to make a full scale content mod

[gentle rose]

that's fine?

[hard fern]

what you are looking for is right there in the tutorial.

you dont have to do anything complex

[true fable]

how do i use content patcher

[hard fern]

...please

read the tutorial

[crude plank]

by reading the tutorials and documentantion, understanding it and actually trying

[true fable]

i read it and i still dont get it

[hard fern]

what dont you get

[true fable]

anything

[crude plank]

then read it again until you do, and you are welcome to ask specific questions about the parts you don't understand

[true fable]

like, i genuinely know nothing whatsoever about anything involving technology

[hard fern]

that.. sounds like a bigger problem that we can't fix

[crude plank]

great, now is the time to learn

[hard fern]

do you at the very least know how to use notepad.

[true fable]

no

[hard fern]

[true fable]

whats notepad

how do i open content patcher

how do i make pngs into there .json files

[marble nova]

notepad is an app that should be default to a PC.

[sour sleet]

I find it strange that you know how to use Discord but not Notepad?

[marble nova]

I didn't have to download it

[hard fern]

2. you dont. you write cp packs that content patcher then .. does magic to
3. you also dont. you write json that content patcher reads

[true fable]

im on a mac

[hard fern]

ok, well, whatever text editor a mac has

[true fable]

how do i write json

[hard fern]

... it's in the tutorial

[marble nova]

it's a text-only file with the .json extention

[crude plank]

json is just a type of file, it's like a .txt

[true fable]

how do i know what to write and where do i write it

[hard fern]

in the tutorial, again

[true fable]

i am so confused

[marble nova]

I do find the tutorial incredibly lacking

I am currently muddling through it

[hard fern]

hm let me see if i can find a different one then

[true fable]

whats a framework

it wants me to make a mod?

[marble nova]

Content Patcher is the framework iirc

[true fable]

im so confused im sorry

[hard fern]

https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Your_First_Content_Patcher_Pack

https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Replacing_an_Image

err... hopefully these help

[crude plank]

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide.md#introduction

literally has an example of how to do a portrait replacer cp

[orchid glade]

The forging documentation is great, BUT extremely intimidating to someone who doesn’t already have an idea of what a JSON is etc

[haughty charm]

I would strongly suggest reading the wiki https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Content_pack_frameworks

[orchid glade]

GitHub! Not forging

[hard fern]

forging

[true fable]

i have no clue how to even make a json

[orchid glade]

Autocorrect

[hard fern]

how does github = forging.... well, the magic of phone autocorrect i guess

[orchid glade]

Dj, have you ever installed any mods at all?

[gaunt heath]

The wiki page Logo linked covers .JSON editors

[true fable]

i have a few

[haughty charm]

Also, this one: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Content_Patcher

[hard fern]

have you at least managed to locate the default text editor on your computer

[haughty charm]

This covers a lot of the terminology that you seem to not understand yet

[orchid glade]

Okay, do into the folder of one of your mods, preferably one that changes The look of something,

[haughty charm]

We can't help you make a mod if you don't understand what you're attempting to do

[orchid glade]

And find a file called manifest.json and open it

[ivory plume]

Invite sent! See the repo readme for more info when you get access, and feel free to ask if anything is unclear.

[orchid glade]

It will open in textedit I think or some other program

And that’s a . JSON and the app you can use to make one (though there are better apps)

[true fable]

i have one called textedit

will that work?

[crude plank]

Thank you!

[orchid glade]

It will work, for a simple . JSON which is all you need

There are other apps that help because they colour the different parts of the code which make it easier, but they can be confusing if you’re very unfamiliar

[true fable]

do i just copy the text in the articles?

[brittle ledge]

(as an alternate, dj, if you're struggling with this, you could also check !commissions and find someone who will code the mod for you! A CP mod wouldn't be too expensive. )

[true fable]

i am broke

it wont let me even make a json

[haughty charm]

Please read through this. It will help you understand the terminology better. https://stardew.button.gay/tutorials/json

[true fable]

my brain hurts

maybe ill ask my dad hes good at this stuff

[orchid glade]

You can save a text file and rename it so filename.rtf change to filename.json

[modest dagger]

logos why is it button.gay

[hard fern]

ask button

[orchid glade]

But maybe having your dad help is a good idea too

[haughty charm]

You'd have to ask Button, wiz. But it's an amazing tutorial

[gaunt heath]

Why would it NOT be button.gay, wiz???

button.gay!

[orchid glade]

Oh I forgot about that tutorial ! I have it open in a tab somewhere but haven’t gone through it yet!

[fathom hound]

Need help with picking a mod name please #images-and-memes message

[gaunt heath]

"Crops" in the name will make it more easily searchable on nexus

[crude plank]

wouldt's "Seeds" also make it easily searchable?

i mean you could also call it celestial crops

[gaunt heath]

Yeah, but usually when people are asking after more things to grow in modded-farmers, they're asking for "crops"

So it stands to reason for me that more people are searching "crops" than "seeds" on nexus looking for things to grow as well

[crude plank]

i see, i see

[gaunt heath]

But like, don't let nexus search nonsense get between you and a sick name! It's just one factor to consider

[fathom hound]

Thx I’ll deff consider this

[ornate locust]

you CAN search descriptions but it's buried

and annoying that it's buried

[fathom hound]

I always put keywords in my title

I don’t see why not

[ornate locust]

Lots of people just don't know you can do it

[orchid glade]

As long as it’s not like an Amazon product title like “Star stars starry crops and seeds to grow new fruit, farming expansion, fun pretty farm items”

[brittle ledge]

is that new? If so one good thing came out of the Nexus UI.

[crude plank]

it is not new

[true fable]

i give up

[crude plank]

it's always been burried

[modest dagger]

that's the spirit!

[true fable]

i cant do this

[gaunt heath]

Making a mod requires a bit of background understanding that you need to be able to tackle independently

[brittle pasture]

if you need help, asking questions are more useful than saying that you can't

[true fable]

i thought i could just change the sprite, i didnt sign on for coding

i do art, not code

[gaunt heath]

Once you have the foundational stuff down, you'll be a lot more equipped to handle a project like that, both because you'll have the vocabulary needed and because you'll have experience with computer literacy

[true fable]

hell, ill make art for anyone who wants to do the code stuff for me

[tiny zealot]

not with that attitude /pos

[gaunt heath]

Content Patcher isn't fully independent programming, it's very template-based

[true fable]

ive tried to code. i just cant. its so confusing and overwhelming no matter how hard i try

[brittle pasture]

tbh what did you actually try to do before giving up

[crude plank]

it's not code, it's computer literacy

[true fable]

i dont have that either

[urban patrol]

you could always try releasing your art as open source and seeing if anyone will make a mod that way, but i agree that this mod wouldn't be hard to make once you know the basics!

[tiny zealot]

(arranging text into valid json according to a defined schema is the same skill as coding)

[gaunt heath]

I get the impression you're pretty young. Getting a handle on computer basics will serve you well in the long run.

[true fable]

im not young

...

kinda insulting

[urban patrol]

if you search for computer literacy classes, you may have local resources such as the public library that pop up. maybe you'd be interested in attending some of those!

[gaunt heath]

A lot of young teens come into chat looking for help getting started with mods, they're like the main demographic needing help with computer literacy skills here

[brittle pasture]

are you interested in learning or not, because you haven't really asked any questions. if you are we can point you to the resources you need
using channel space to complain that things are too hard is not the most productive use of your time

[brisk wedge]

I'm doing while (menu.heldItem.Stack > 0) and a menu.heldItem.ConsumeStack(1); in the while loop, but when I print the menu.heldItem.Stack in the loop, it never changes?

[crude plank]

also being called young is only insulting when... you are young

[vocal iris]

Because it's happy to see us

[haughty charm]

Let's move on from the age bit, please

[rough lintel]

so that machine data am i right fellas

[brittle pasture]

did someone say machines

[vocal iris]

You need to make file extensions visible on your laptop if you haven't already.
https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mchlp2304/mac

[modest dagger]

sometimes i forget you make mods lani despite being orange

[rough lintel]

subtle insult but yes

i am releasing one soon

[true fable]

i dont know any of what that means

[vocal iris]

Well that's why I sent you the link

[brittle pasture]

that should look right, can you post a snippet of the code

[true fable]

this is all too much

[vocal iris]

Okay so basically a file extension is the part of the file's name that tells your computer what it is. .json means it's a text file, as in it contains writing.

You need to make those visible or else you can't make a .json

[true fable]

do any of ypu understand that im incredibly stressed out from being bombarded by stuff i have 0 knowledge of and being expected to master it all?

[haughty charm]

DJ, at this point, we've given you all the resources for learning how to make mods. We can't help you understand things.

[rough lintel]

maybe this isnt for you dude

[true fable]

i do art, not code

[haughty charm]

I'm going to ask that we move on from this conversation.

[sour sleet]

Nobody expects you to master things. Just at least take the first step to learning.

[true fable]

stop telling me do do coding i cant code okay

[rough lintel]

anyways i was making a wine clone and for anyone making machine stuff, never reference vanilla machine.json 💀 that thing is awful

[true fable]

stop shaming me for having 0 technoical knowledge

[haughty charm]

Then this channel is not the right fit.

[vocal iris]

In the Finder on your Mac, choose Finder > Settings, then click Advanced.

Select “Show all filename extensions.”

There. That's all you need to do. Let me know when that step is done.

[haughty charm]

DJ enough - this conversation is done

[odd ginkgo]

hey all! Making some progress on my little desert canyon mod (sorry to interrupt)

[true fable]

i just wanted to change a few sprites i didnt expect to have to code okay can i not be frustrated and shamed because of it?

[modest dagger]

I remember making my hydroponics mod and someone posted a bug 'hey you broke the bone crusher' so i feel ye

[tiny zealot]

please interrupt. i love your flamingo

[rough lintel]

editing a keg machine rule made me want to screech

[modest dagger]

I accidentally overrid the machine so only my recipes worked heh

[brittle pasture]

to be fair it only looks terrible because the unpacker prints all optional variables as their default values

[rough lintel]

making a flavored beverage is evil, i think

[sour sleet]

The flamingo is so nice!

[odd ginkgo]

I was wondering, if you were to get a new desert animal for the barn, would you like: a mig desert tortoise, a roadrunner, a coyote, or one of these here flamingo?

[brittle pasture]

you don't need like 80% of the machine fields most of the time

[odd ginkgo]

thank you!

[modest dagger]

selph has specifically made mods for me to make more machines isn't that awesome

I need to try implementing machine furniture soon I want to get my chemistry table in game

[rough lintel]

selphs machine mod goated

[modest dagger]

my mods literally wouldn't function without EMC

[modest dagger]

think of what the animal would produce that should make it easier to decide

[rough lintel]

i didn’t realize we couldn’t have multiple required inputs in vanilla. like. bruh

[brisk wedge]

Oh I'm a clown, I didn't realize consumeStack does special stuff when you try to consume to 0

[odd ginkgo]

you caught me, I can't think of what the animal should produce to be fun and useful, so I was trying animal-first

[brisk wedge]

ty tho

[modest dagger]

flamingo could produce feathers? no idea bout the rest heh

[urban patrol]

do tortoises lay eggs?

[modest dagger]

yes?

[urban patrol]

they could be a coop animal then

[modest dagger]

before they get too large to fit through the door

[brittle pasture]

the problem with coop animals is that you only get 16x16 to work with

[odd ginkgo]

would it be weird to... eat tortoise eggs?

[urban patrol]

not sure how well tortoise mayonnaise would sell though lmao

[modest dagger]

i mean ostriches are barn animals

[brittle pasture]

and flamingos are quite big yeah

[modest dagger]

are they??

[brittle pasture]

well, tall, not big

[rough lintel]

flamingos are like super tall

[modest dagger]

we eat dino eggs? well someone does at least

[rough lintel]

like ostrich height

[odd ginkgo]

maybe both flamingos and tortoises.... their eggs could be hatched in the ostrich incubator, and they could both get big

[crude plank]

what?? this is news to me

[rough lintel]

they’re tall fuckers man. i be at the zoo

they tol

[vocal iris]

@true fable
How to make a proper .json file on Mac:
[1] Open TextEdit (Mac’s built-in editor)
[2] Switch to Plain Text Mode:

• Go to Format in the menu bar.
• Select Make Plain Text (or press Shift + Command + T).
  [3] Save the file correctly:
• Click File > Save As.
• Name it content.json

[crude plank]

i need to go to a zoo

[woeful acorn]

coyote could dig up stuff similarly to pigs? idk what but that could be an interesting option

[urban patrol]

ooh good idea

[odd ginkgo]

google sonoran desert tortoise to see how big they get too, they're massive

[rough lintel]

dude we dropped this convo

don’t bring this back up

mods already said no

[tiny zealot]

big problem with farm flamingos is they would be eating grass and hay, which are not the plankton which famously produce the pink coloration

[vocal iris]

I felt like fighting a hopeless cause tbh

[golden oxide]

Hello!
I wanted to ask how can I know what each dialogue from the StringsFromCSFiles is for (is there a list somewhere?) and how can I know what key to use to override it to make a new dialogue for each character since it just says something like "NPC.cs....." do I just put that as a key?

[modest dagger]

roadrunners according to wikipedia are omnivores and eat bugs and small animals. But also forage for fruit so maybe it could occasionally find cactus fruit?

[crude plank]

we need realistig flamingo diet in stardew

[tiny zealot]

but i guess you could just use the ol' stardew handwavium about it. after all, there's a wizard living in the forest

[brittle pasture]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Dialogue#Strings_from_CS_files has a list

[odd ginkgo]

I grew up in the desert and it's been fun thinking about my local fauna and adding it to the game

[rough lintel]

some of the npc.cs lines have been given tokens, so check that wiki selph sent

[modest dagger]

flamingos are local to deserts?

[odd ginkgo]

.... now I have a dream of being able to have a flamingo wading in a fish pond

[rough lintel]

flamingos are local to suburban lawns /j

[odd ginkgo]

not really, except that they appear in the desert in stardew

there's one at the desert festival

the other animals do though!

[golden oxide]

Thanks!

[rough lintel]

when will we get a guinea fowl mod 😔

its always exotic animals, never the handy (but extremely stupid) guinea 😔

[brittle pasture]

VMV adds them

https://visitmountvapius.wiki.gg/wiki/Speckled_Fowl

[rough lintel]

but i dont wanna dl an entire expansion for a single animal lmao

also i did not know that

[odd ginkgo]

it's kind of a whole quest, you collect items late at night in a desert canyon maze

unlock creosote bushes and stuff

[tiny zealot]

download the expansion and hackjob out the single animal for personal use

[rough lintel]

just like i did with lance in sve …

[odd ginkgo]

and then later can revisit the area and unlock the flamingo shop

and a back area with a "prize," which I was thinking would be the egg for the new animal

[rough lintel]

that took so long though bc it was back when sve was Integrated and not seperated

[brittle pasture]

well, if you're willing to give em their own animal house
(no outdoor food functionality though, mainly because I'm lazy and I can't think of any good implementation)

[rough lintel]

animals are always tricky to innovate on because the animal produce meta is like. not a thing

[brittle pasture]

(like if I'm to make a "realistic outdoor food" module for EAC it would be so darn specific and niche it may as well just be its own non-framework mod)

[rough lintel]

and most of it has minimal use … we must change the meta

can we put eggs in the slingshot 😤

[odd ginkgo]

I'd like to have some kind of produce that gets put in the fish smoker

hmm

[rough lintel]

cornucopia does add this i think

[brittle pasture]

I do use mods that add more uses for eggs and milk, making them more useful

[odd ginkgo]

ohh I'll have to check it out ty

[rough lintel]

smoked egg, smoked meat, smoked salmon… smoked… something

i think its the artisan machine addon

[rough lintel]

!!! do tell

[brittle pasture]

mainly cornucopia and wag lol, one of which you already mentioned

for WAG you need milk and egg to do the insane amount of baking it adds

[rough lintel]

oh yeah yeah

the fact rainbow shells get a use in wag is crazy.

YES i shall be making spronkles

[modest dagger]

...

you're making sprinkles out of rainbow shells?

[rough lintel]

thats wag for ya buddy

grind em up, rainbow sprinkles!

yummy time

[cedar turtle]

I just read sprinklers and was like "since when does wag change those recipes"

[brisk wedge]

which is worse, using harmony annotations, or using the harmony api but the list of patches is generated through reflection and looping through all the methods?

[brittle pasture]

I came close to doing the latter tbh

[rough lintel]

the looping thing sounds worse but i am not proficient

[brittle pasture]

the former is apparently fine, baring minute differences in optimization I'm too stupid to understand

[uncut viper]

are you only looping through methods you want to patch, or all methods and picking and choosing from there?

[brisk wedge]

i loop through my classes, and use a naming and argument convention that tells which class + method + prefix/postfix to patch

[gaunt heath]

Hey Button, quick question btw

[uncut viper]

to me that sounds like the annotations with extra steps

someone else answered that question adequately enough

oh it wasz you

[gaunt heath]

"why would it not be?"

[uncut viper]

you already answered it

[odd ginkgo]

P.S. huge ty to Button for teaching me about "Update": "OnLocationChange"

you completely changed the way I was approaching my mod

[lucid iron]

Don't abuse update rates

[rough lintel]

button bestows amazing knowledge upon everyone regularly

[lucid iron]

Say how do ppl annotation patch another mod

I was thinking about this bc i thought i had to do horrible reflection to acquire the other mod's methodinfo without explicit reference

[brittle pasture]

i dont think you do, unless there are arcane notations to do that im not aware of

[uncut viper]

after looking at harmony's code a bit, i think annotations literally are just iterating over every type in your assembly and checking the attributes. so it sounds exactly the same, except without using them you now have to follow a convention

[lucid iron]

Which is fine with manual patching

[uncut viper]

you can harmony patch anythging with annotations

the typename can be a string, which i imagine expects a fully qualified type name. if not, accesstools can find a type anywhere when given just the type name

just [HarmonyPatch(AccessTools.TypeByName("OtherModType"), "methodname")]

[lucid iron]

Oh i see that is the missing bit

[uncut viper]

of course, if you have a hard reference you can just do it normally

[teal bridge]

Type names can be a little weird, it's more reliable to specify the type name and assembly.

[lucid iron]

I went through mod registry to assembly

[brisk wedge]

thanks, guess its time to switch to annotations. I was worried cuz the wiki seems to imply that annotations do extra stuff, but my weird reflection stuff seems just as bad

[uncut viper]

is that not what a fully qualified name is?

[lucid iron]

https://github.com/Mushymato/MachineControlPanel/blob/main/MachineControlPanel/Patches.cs#L47

Here is the terrible LA patch

[teal bridge]

Could be, that term is vague. "Assembly-qualified name" is what we normally call that in .NET.

[uncut viper]

ah, that is probably what i meant

i think the microsoft docs call them fully qualified names

[lucid iron]

Annotations do extra things compared to manual patching without looping through every method, ie just grabbing the exact MethodInfo you want to patch

[teal bridge]

Well, whatever language is used in other docs, the actual property name is AssemblyQualifiedName.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.type.assemblyqualifiedname?view=net-9.0

[uncut viper]

i think cat meant for finding their actual patch classes, not the methods they want to patch?

[lucid iron]

There's also implications for android modding (but dw about that tbh)

Yeah it sounds like cat is essentially doing harmony annotations

[uncut viper]

ive used AssemblyQualifiedName before, just subconsciously defaulting to fully qualified name when talking about em

[lucid iron]

I just wanted to clarify what wiki meant regarding manual/annotations

So if i am use typebyname this big if can be cleaner

As long as the other assembly isn't renamed or something

[teal bridge]

Thing is, assembly qualified name has a version attached.

[lucid iron]

Do u need that

[uncut viper]

well youve already got the assembly from the modregistry, you could just still use it

[teal bridge]

That's why I normally like to use Assembly.GetType.

[uncut viper]

you dont technically need it, but. it helps disambiguate

if you specify it and its wrong it wont find it

[lucid iron]

Right

I do use it to put the exactly correct name into trinket data

[teal bridge]

Hm, I guess maybe you can leave the version out, it's a comma-separated list and I've never tried.

[uncut viper]

but yeah, you've got the assembly already, no need to throw the baby out with the bath water and all that

[lucid iron]

What is the baby and bathwater in this analogy

[uncut viper]

you can either keep using it or just save the assembly somewhere to reuse

[lucid iron]

Is this a thing people say...

[teal bridge]

Do you have a direct reference to the assembly, or is this 100% reflection? The most reliable way if you have a ref is to use typeof(SomePublicTypeInAssembly).Assembly.GetType("NonPublicTypeName")

[uncut viper]

dont need to throw out all your reflection into the modregistry just to maybe very slightly optimize a patch

i.e. if you can avoid TypeByName with just the type name alone, you should probably avoid it

cuz otherwise its just searching every assembly til it find a match

[lucid iron]

Ah i see

[teal bridge]

Yeah - Type.GetType (type by name) is also very slow for reasons I don't understand.

[uncut viper]

which may not even be the right match

[lucid iron]

Yeah i mean i wasn't going to change to annotations

But good to know things

[uncut viper]

just grab the other mod's assembly via the CMCT api /j

(which... i swear is still in the back of my mind to work on.)

[lucid iron]

U mean just use BETAS harmony to patch instead

[uncut viper]

if you can thatd be even better

[teal bridge]

Well actually, possibly the most reliable way to get an unknown assembly in a Stardew environment would be to get its mod instance from the mod registry (or an API if it provides one), and then do .GetType().Assembly.

That way you're covered even if they change the assembly name.

[lucid iron]

Yeah that's what i did i think

[uncut viper]

thats effectively what chu is doing

[lucid iron]

Assuming im understanding u correctly

[teal bridge]

Yeah, pretty much.

[uncut viper]

itd be even easier if you used a publicizer

[lucid iron]

The other reason why this patch is slightly horrible is cus i have to acquire a different LA method info to invoke but to get that one i needed to get this enum class for disambiguation

Is there's better way to do that

[teal bridge]

(I still think you should just wait for the LA support, but hey, you do you)

[lucid iron]

It's for learning purposes

[uncut viper]

do harmony parameter lists need the exact type to work, or does it work with parent types too?

[lucid iron]

Well i tried int and that didn't work

Is there some kinda IEnum

[teal bridge]

Parameter lists have to be exact, if you mean what I think you mean.

[uncut viper]

i.e. cant match a GameLocation if it actually uses a LibraryHouse

[teal bridge]

You can reflect on a derived type to get a method that's declared on the base type, but if you specify the parameters, you need an exact signature, there's no covariance/contravariance in reflection.

(and there may not be any covariance/contravariance even on the actual types/methods - there usually isn't)

[uncut viper]

i suppose you could just iterate over all the methods in the class until you find one where its 2nd parameter has IsEnum set to true

potentially better than doing the previous other reflection to save the type, maybe, though i dont know for sure

i imagine it'd depend

[lucid iron]

Mystery

[uncut viper]

im not sure how DeclaredMethod works anyway, it might already be iterating

[teal bridge]

Or you could be a little less nuts and iterate over the methods matching the name and then check the params, so you only need to check two or three methods as opposed to every one in the class...

[lucid iron]

One day I'll toss this whole thing out so im not that concerned

[uncut viper]

that part was supposed to be implied!!

[lucid iron]

I only actually needed to check for first param is Item in this case

[uncut viper]

the point was that you can check whether something is simply an Enum if you're manually iterating over everything

[teal bridge]

It's the same sort of check though, you're matching on a partial signature.

[lucid iron]

Yeah

[teal bridge]

So doesn't matter whether it's something general like "is enum" or "is Item specifically", solution will be the same.

[uncut viper]

so do all your other checks and then just check that the second is an enum and not have to check specifically Objectcontext

this of course breaks if there are two overloads that use two different enums but you only want one

but you know LA's source so hopefully you'd be aware of that

[sour sleet]

Anyone know how to make a garbage can act like a vanilla one?

[uncut viper]

theres a Data/GarbageCans asset isnt there

[gaunt heath]

That's a new 1.6 feature, there's a wiki page section hold on

[hot gale]

yeah

[gaunt heath]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Garbage_cans

[uncut viper]

featuring fun properties like "IsMegaSuccess" and "IsDoubleMegaSuccess"

[sour sleet]

Thank youuu

[gaunt heath]

The entire garbage can feature is hilarious

[lucid iron]

Wait what's double mega

[uncut viper]

when it goes rocket mode

[lucid iron]

Mega is when the lid goes escape velocity right

Or is tht double mega

[uncut viper]

i would hope its double mega

[brittle pasture]

I think mega is funi noise

[uncut viper]

dont know where you go from there

[brittle pasture]

double mega is funi noise + stratosphere + you get the garbage can lid

(well the last one is a defined reward from double mega, not part of it, I think)

[uncut viper]

/// <summary>Whether to treat this item as a 'mega success' if it's selected, which plays a special <c>crit</c> sound and bigger animation.</summary>
/// <summary>Whether to treat this item as an 'double mega success' if it's selected, which plays an explosion sound and dramatic animation.</summary>

[lucid iron]

Ah i didn't really pay attention to just sound

[uncut viper]

ttop is mega, bottom is double

[lucid iron]

Beautiful feature truly

[brittle pasture]

hmm should I add the ||golden manure|| from manure mod to double mega success

[hard fern]

lid hat scared the crap out of me when i first got it ngl

[lucid iron]

Hmmm

[uncut viper]

(garbage can lid is just a random chance still, but it is a double mega reward. but a double mega does not guarantee the lid)

[lucid iron]

New mod area land fill

Just a ton of garbage cans to check

[uncut viper]

lt surge mod

[brittle pasture]

mega success reward is old hard drive filled with bitcoin

sells for 50g because you don't have the password

[uncut viper]

just get sebastian to hack into it, ezpz probably

[tender herald]

is there any kind of advantage when you use a single big editdata instead of many small ones? like imagine you have 200 objects, would a single edit to data/objects with 200 objects in it be better than 200 edits for each object?

[uncut viper]

yeah probably. lot of overhead in managing an individual patch

"lot" being relative obv

[tiny zealot]

i haven't profiled it or heard from someone who would actually know (pathos or sinz), but i expect it's better for performance to have as few distinct patches as possible (so, one big editdata better than lots of small ones), for similar reasons as combining your sprites onto one sheet: each patch pays a fixed cost in addition to the cost of patching the data, so more patches equals more total cost

[hard fern]

i guess if you dont have to patch things separately (usually for config stuff i see it being done separate) then better to not

[tender herald]

yeah that makes a lot of sense, thank you!

[odd ginkgo]

as always, thanks for all your help everyone!

[hard fern]

tortoiuse

?

[odd ginkgo]

tortoise!

[fathom hound]

cutie

[deep cypress]

I love this!!!!

[lucid iron]

I hereby license this idea CC BY-NA for someone who isn't me to make

[deep cypress]

Me, reading the above about scattwred patches, now staring in WAY too many individual patches cause i read that easier:

[astral oyster]

I've heard it said enough times already, in the small time I've been lingering and asking questions within here. "Anything is possible with C#", so in theory would it be possible to Erase someone save data from a choice made through an event? Or does that go outside of it's reach?

[uncut viper]

you literally have access to their entire computer when you're making a C# mod if you want it

i would never download anything that ever comes close to doing something permanent to my save file like that and personally i would steer anyone who asked away from them

[astral oyster]

That is spooky, I didn't realize it could go that far. I was curious, wouldn't want a reason for people to avoid something; that would be counter productive

[uncut viper]

nexus has some sort of virus scanner ofc, but theres a lot of harm that someone can do without being classified as a full on virus. if you are unable to look inside a dll yourself becaise you dont know how or dont understand it, you inherently have to just trust that it does what it says on the tin

[tiny zealot]

erasing save data is the kind of action that can get you blocklisted, and SMAPI will refuse to load your mod

i don't know if anything is on the blocklist yet, but it is a thing SMAPI has

[uncut viper]

i wouldnt touch it with a 10 ft pole even if the mod was literally named "Delete your save data if you say no during this event!" because hell if i know how competently its coded, what if it accidentally erases it under other circumstances?

[brittle pasture]

Theres that one joke mod that deletes your save if you open the game wiki in a browser

[uncut viper]

does it delete it? i thought it simply closed the game?

[brittle pasture]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/25376 it does according to the description (im not checking it myself lmao)

[uncut viper]

oh, apparently it does. and lol, case in point:

[brittle pasture]

not sure if any action was taken by smapi

[stable otter]

Sorry to intrude, but I've got a silly question: I caught a wild hare about wanting to try making a mod and have absolutely 0 experience with coding. I'm trying to follow the Getting Started guide from the wiki, but when I grabbed Visual Studio I wasn't able to select NET 6.0 for the framework like it says to-- The closest lookign option was NET 8.0. Is that an issue, or is that just what is current?

[brittle pasture]

probably just flew under pathos' radar tbh

[uncut viper]

if the mod literally says it will do exactly that, i dont know if thats grounds for blacklisting, but its personal grounds for me to avoid and warn against it

but, maybe

i wouldnt protest if it was blacklisted

[lucid iron]

Where's that mod that deleted your save if u die too many times

[uncut viper]

but it is honest

[vernal crest]

Did you install the .net 6 SDK?

[tiny zealot]

26 UDLs lends credence to "flew under pathos's radar"

[uncut viper]

i remember it causing a minor stir in modded-farmers on release

i.e. "does this count as malware?" debate

[stable otter]

My computer says it's downloaded, yeah

does it need to be opened and ran or something?

[lucid iron]

You need to change target framework

[uncut viper]

as long as the target language is 6.0, this is fine

[crude plank]

I guess if it's not hidden it's not really malware

[brittle pasture]

wasnt pathos also deep in the 1.6.9 mines at that time

[uncut viper]

you can set the target in the csproj too

[stable otter]

Thank youuuuuu

[lucid iron]

Just so u know there's lots of mods you can make without C#

[astral oyster]

Seems my question opened up a can of worms; well at least I've learned what should never be done or considered.

[lucid iron]

What do u want to do?

[uncut viper]

the 1.6.9 mines lasted 7 months so

[wicked plover]

dotnet --list-sdks

lists all .NET versions installed on the system in detail.

[sour sleet]

why is my garbage can giving a field snack when I haven't specified that in the data?

Field snack ID is 403 and that's nowhere in my json

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/2ba29a596fca4b11842ae5b2d2a9ef75

[crude plank]

I don't actually know so i might be talking out of my ass here but it looks to me like there's a default list of drops and you are just adding to it

[uncut viper]

its a default

[sour sleet]

Ah so it's hardcoded?

[uncut viper]

BeforeAll and AfterAll in Data/GarbageCans adds some default values

i dont know if theres a way to change it per garbage can

[brittle pasture]

it's technically not hardcoded
what's hardcoded is that the game will check BeforeAll before your entry, and will check AfterAll afterwards

[uncut viper]

if your garbage can is the only one in a map though you can do an OnLocationChanged edit

[sour sleet]

Ah alright, thanks all!

[brittle pasture]

I guess you can add an always 100% entry to your bin. that would make the bin always give something upon checking it

and not fallback to AfterAll

there's still BeforeAll, but at least in vanilla it's only used for one thing

[uncut viper]

3 things

hat, trash catalogue, qi bean

[brittle pasture]

whoops i didn't scroll up in the vim window

[sour sleet]

Hmm ok. I love that I learn so much abt this game each day

[marble nova]

do yall know if there is a way to make a Male character dance on the girls' side during the flower dance? I have sprites for him, but I don't actually see anywhere to specify that, only whether he dances at all.

[uncut viper]

temporary gender swap and spritesheet swap

[marble nova]

Oh interesting, so have him coded as a girl but only during the flower dance?

[uncut viper]

pretty much

[marble nova]

Do you know if there's a tutorial for that somewhere?

[uncut viper]

its just a conditional edit on their Data/Characters

[marble nova]

I don't know how to do those yet 😦

[uncut viper]

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/tokens.md#overview

in this section, under "Conditions"

[urban patrol]

is it required for your mod's unique id to match yourfullusername.yourfullmodname, or can it be shortened, for example YFU.YFMN?

[uncut viper]

its not guaranteed to be unique if you do not hav e your username and your mod name

[urban patrol]

makes sense

[lucid iron]

if you use your actual user name it'll be easier to search you up on nexus if i see your mod causing problems