making-mods-general

[candid stratus]

Probably in CharacterCustomization. I do know you can do a bunch of reflection to hijack variables and such, but it was always a bit too menacing to try out

[lucid iron]

Aren't u working in security or something

[candid stratus]

Me?

[lucid iron]

This is just break into house from other side.

Yeah idrm if it was u or someone else

[gentle rose]

chu: code crimes and irl crimes are kind of the same, if you think about it

[patent lance]

New quote added by selphers as #6336 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/1352747315663863928)

[candid stratus]

I've only made a full-sized self-driving racecar, a factory engine, a flight simulator and an infrared image processor

Never went more high level than C++ though

Well I guess I made minecraft plugins 10 years ago

[gentle rose]

on an unrelated note, I have decide that the two genders are adding an uber quote via the app command and adding an uber quote by reacting 💬

[lucid iron]

It's not about high level or low level tho

The basics of programming carries over

[candid stratus]

I've never encountered reflection anywhere before

[lucid iron]

I feel like the only person in this server that i know for sure writes C# for living doesn't actually play this game

[gentle rose]

…is it atra

[rancid musk]

I don't write C# for a living, but my day job does involve reflection and reverse engineering.

[lucid iron]

(crumble)

[brittle pasture]

it's not atra. They write some more cursed domain specific languages

[candid stratus]

laughs in assembly

sorry I mean cries

[rancid musk]

I expect atra would much prefer writing C#, but is stuck working with cursed nonsense.

[candid stratus]

cries in assembly

[brittle pasture]

I write JS for a living, which is only a step above that atra does in terms of cursedness

[gaunt orbit]

reflection isn't too complicated, conceptually. Basically the runtime stores some information about the code its running, and reflection allows you to read that information and access the underlying code through it

Harmony uses reflection but it's a whole other can of worms

[rancid musk]

Literally my main job. Frontend is cursed.

[gentle rose]

my ladder of cursedness has frontend dev on the top and anything else far, far below it

[rancid musk]

Frontend wouldn't be as cursed if we didn't have to deal with users

[gentle rose]

faaaar below it

I have an allergy to magic numbers

[candid stratus]

I'd prefer Matlab over front end

[tawny ore]

CharacterCustomization has this:

titleMenu.createdNewCharacter(this.skipIntro);

So skipping the intro only involves setting the CharacterCustomization.skipIntro of TitleMenu.subMenu to true.

[gentle rose]

I respect frontend devs. from a distance

[candid stratus]

Are you accessing the heap then?

[gaunt orbit]

frontend is fine until js

[gentle rose]

nono, css has just as much room for criminality

and html5 has brought html way forward in its own right

[tawny ore]

I feel like about 2 pages (relative to my screen height) of #programmers-off-topic is a good sign that things could probably go there

[gentle rose]

css animations are turing-complete anyway I have to go eat dinner now, byeeee

[gaunt orbit]

I love working with css and html actually, they make a lot of sense to me. Only annoying thing is when browsers have render bugs

for a while chrome had this weird issue with fixed backgrounds and scrolling containers, not sure if it ever got fixed

[undone hawk]

Made seasons based on Location (which therefore makes it game accurate)

Currently working on formatting

[gaunt orbit]

Location data has a DisplayName field that you may find useful

[undone hawk]

Good call!

I was thinking of using that

[patent lance]

New quote added by skittythetranscat as #6337 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/1352747673362370630)

[gaunt orbit]

the layout looks nice so far

[undone hawk]

Pond info looks better I think! The numbers are supposed to have a dash (minor thing I already fixed) but it shows min to max, percentage chance, sale price, and population required!

[signal needle]

Hello humble modders. Does anyone have like... all of the character dialogue extracted

I swear its for a good cause

[rancid musk]

As in like... extracted from events and the like?

[signal needle]

Yeah, just all or nearly all character quotes, in something that I could parse easily

[lucid iron]

!unpack

[ocean sail]

Follow this guide to unpack the game's content files in order to see and explore how the game data is structured.
It's helpful when making your own mods, or just to learn about how the game works!

To use this command, type !unpack.

[lucid iron]

It's not that nice tho i think event dialogue is right there with the event script

The daily dialogue is much nicer

[signal needle]

What do you mean by daily dialogue

[hard fern]

Like

The regular dialogue

When you talk to an npc each day

Compared to the dialogue you see during heart events

They're written completely differently

[signal needle]

Oh yeah, that's even better

[gentle rose]

what are you trying to parse it for? out of curiosity

[signal needle]

It's difficult to explain, but for part of it, it would be useful to have basically a list of SDV quotes

[undone hawk]

I have realized I should also indicate in my HUD if a fish isn't catchable due to your current fishing level. I initially abstained since the only fish it matters for are the legendary fish (and the Lava Eel but ONLY in the Caldera), but a lot of modded fish have level requirements

I'm gonna use an arrow for that (Up Arrow)

[iron ridge]

you could just, assuming you don't want events as chue said, go through each file in Characters/dialog that's the english version (no dashes), and quantify each key, parsing it [[Dialogue#Format]] and just ignore all the fancy stuff and split on the #s

oh
[[Modding:Dialogue#Format]]

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Dialogue#Format

[brittle pasture]

this will be so useful lol, there are lots of posts in modded-farmers asking why they cant catch that one SVE fish that needs level 8

[hard fern]

😭 it's always the king salmon

[sour sleet]

Ok so with Custom Locations and when travelling to a custom map via bus, how does the player travel back?

[lucid iron]

Have another bus back

[hard fern]

Up to the mod author I'd say, usually it's exactly what chu said

[hot gale]

Central Station can place a kiosk via map property

[sour sleet]

So I need to add a ticket machine and a bus?

[hot gale]

the bus is purely visual typically, you can build a warp into the stairs of the bus, or make a ticket stand with central station etc

[sour sleet]

Awesome, thanks Kai

[hard fern]

ive been looking at too many detective dramas lately, and i got the urge to sprite one of those fancy trains that crimes happen on. But with no crimes

[candid stratus]

I think you should add crimes to them

[brittle ledge]

There's an internal bus map (or was anyway) in the vanilla files iirc, you could turn that into a train

[hard fern]

I was actually thinking of those fancy overnight rooms

(i wonder if a train will be too much for me... Well, if i stick it in a tunnel I'll only ever need to make part of it)

And i can just have that train connect to central station

[lean river]

Starting to make my NPC aa

[rigid musk]

I forgot I was testing baby sprites with sunglasses... @ornate trellis I feel like you'd enjoy this

[ornate trellis]

ayooo

look at this cool dude

[lucid iron]

Little man

[faint ingot]

You made a mini qi

[fierce vault]

How could you fathom removing such cool shades lol. Maybe they could be configurable?

[rigid musk]

that's actually what it is :D there's a config option for it lmao

Void gave me the idea for the shades a bit ago and i couldnt help but try to do it myself

[lucid iron]

Radical/10

[fierce vault]

Config options can be pretty funny sometimes!

[fierce vault]

How do you pronounce Qi, by the way? For some reason I still read it as just the sound of the letter Q. I know it’s wrong. I don’t care at this point.

[rigid musk]

There are so many ways to do it, according to CA there's not a 'right' way

[fierce vault]

That’s nice to know!

[rigid musk]

A lot of people use 'chee' (as per asian origin) I personally do 'key'

[fierce vault]

Quee, Quu, Key….

[rigid musk]

Another option is 'Q I' (like pronouncing both of the letters)

[fierce vault]

Hmm, never thought about that one. It’s neat that everyone can be so inconsistent with it.

[rigid musk]

cursed child happenings

[tawny ore]

According to my wireless charger, it's pronounced Chi like __Chee__se.

[ornate trellis]

average Qi behaviour

[lucid iron]

So the official cn translation uses 齐

Which is actually just ordinary chinese last name lol

[sour sleet]

Is this correct for spawning a ticket machine with CS? It isn't appearing on my map in game and seems to have invisible building tiles

[lucid iron]

It's not an action is it

[brave fable]

i always read it as 'qui' as in french. so it comes across like dr who. mr who.

[sour sleet]

I thought it was, and the CS Docs don't specify what type to put

[lucid iron]

Yeah it says map prop

Not tile prop

[sour sleet]

This is a map property

[lucid iron]

Pathoschild.CentralStation_TicketMachine

This should be what's on left side

[sour sleet]

Ahh ok and then the right hand side is 26 23 Bus?

[lucid iron]

Then the rest of the args on right side

[uncut viper]

the name of the map property IS the type

[sour sleet]

I understand now

[lucid iron]

Hm doesn't this mean a map can only have 1 ticket machine

[uncut viper]

does it not accept multiple coords

[lucid iron]

And button needs to suffer ever more

[uncut viper]

its nice of you to think i still wanna work on that mod

[sour sleet]

Pretty sure it just accepts 1 set

[lucid iron]

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/CentralStation/docs/author-guide.md#add-a-default-ticket-machine

[uncut viper]

(itd be easy to add support for it anyway)

[lucid iron]

Well it's not a big deal

There's the tile data way too

[lucid iron]

I believe in u button

[uncut viper]

you're underestimating just how infeasible the blocking task is

[lucid iron]

I'm under impression it's more disasterously unfun than infeasible did that change

[uncut viper]

thats the infeasability of it

[lucid iron]

Fair enough

[uncut viper]

patching ~370 functions before the end of the month is just. not doable by any human person

and there is no heuristic i can use to automate it in a nice way that works at all consistently or even close to correctly

[brave fable]

what was the goal here again exactly

i think i'd give up on a task if i had to do 3 of something

[uncut viper]

the goal is i need to move the position of a TAS after it is created, UNLESS that TAS was specifically created on something in particular

for example the TAS for the traveling cart's little chimney thing. that is given hardcoded coordinates in the forest to be created at

but the TAS for when you swing a tool, thats created on the farmer's position

i need to know to move the traveling cart TAS, but not the farmer tool animation TAS

i know every function that adds a TAS to the current locations TAS list, but unfortunately many many of them create many TAS's inside the same function, where some are hardcoded and some are relative

i would either need to patch every single one or manually look through every single one and hardcode exceptions to the TAS's that need them

[brave fable]

dare i ask what the original use case was

[velvet narwhal]

i have been summoned, this is a very blank slate of a template and isn't really meant to be a guide

[brave fable]

this sounds horrifying

[uncut viper]

mirroring the game

[undone hawk]

Oh god?

That looks so wrong it hurts my brain omg

[uncut viper]

TAS's are literally the only significant hurdle. maps, schedules, and events are all mirrored and those are most of the things a user would even notice

i need to mirror a TAS's position on the map after creation, you see

[undone hawk]

Omg TAS my old enemy

[brave fable]

that really stings, it looks so close to perfect already

[uncut viper]

it is very disappointing genuinely

[rancid musk]

-# Me in the background wondering "why is everyone talking about tool assisted speedrunning?"

[dusk mulch]

Ohhh I think I understand C# now... maybe

[rancid musk]

It took so long to realize you meant temporary animated sprite

[rigid musk]

This is horrifying /pos

[lucid iron]

what do u call temporary animated sprite in ur brain then

[brave fable]

'those bastard parameters'

miserable little pile of unlabeled args

[rancid musk]

Sprites.

[dusk mulch]

C# CANT TAKE DECIMALS?! WHAT KIND OF LANGUAGE IS THIS?!

[uncut viper]

decimals are floats

[dusk mulch]

oh

[uncut viper]

ints are integers. integers dont have decimals

[sour sleet]

It takes a long time to learn a programming language

[brave fable]

you want float myfunnydecimal = 3.01f or double hjahadouble = 1.0000001d

decimal types aren't strictly interchangeable for technical reasons

you'll run into int/float/double collisions a lot when using vector2, rectangle, etc. types

[gentle rose]

you can also technically skip the f or d at the end if you’re explicitly assigning it that way iirc

[uncut viper]

float64 my beloved

[brave fable]

i should warn you now that 3 / 2 = 1

[dusk mulch]

YAYYYY I GOT IT CENTERED

[gentle rose]

quotient division operator, my beloved

[dusk mulch]

it took me 3 days to learn that functions need to be defined in the public class

[gentle rose]

what do you mean?

[hard fern]

Does everything get rounded down then

[uncut viper]

int division lops off the decimal

[hard fern]

If decimals are punishable by death

[dusk mulch]

public class Game1 : Game

[hard fern]

O

I see

[dusk mulch]

i forgot i am using monogame as well, forget anything i said

[brave fable]

if one or the other is a decimal then the result will be a decimal tho, 3f /2 or 2 / 3f

there's a lot of these relatively basic gotchas you need to iron out

[gentle rose]

what do you mean “all functions need to be defined in this class” though? I fear you may be missing some understanding of how classes and methods work from the sound of it

and also access modifiers

[dusk mulch]

it is working so that is what matters, i am making a minigame using monogame

[gentle rose]

it’s nice that it’s working, but if you don’t understand these things (which are the very core of C# and OOP languages in general) you have very little chance of getting things to work consistently

and I know, I was here when you said you were doing that earlier

[dusk mulch]

I learn in my own way, as others do. I do understand how it works even if it doesn't seem like I do. I am not trying to be rude here by the way /nbr /lh

[uncut viper]

but functions do not need to be defined in a public class

[dusk mulch]

This is what I meant

[uncut viper]

those also arent functions

[gentle rose]

yeah, and like we said, methods do not have to be defined in public classes

true, there’s also only the very beginning of one single method/function

[hard fern]

(oop language?)

[gentle rose]

what I’m trying to say is that you seem to be refusing to learn the basics at all, which is going to hurt you in the long AND short runs, because without them you really can’t fully understand what you’re even trying to do

[dusk mulch]

It is the language where you ctrl + Z everything and go Oops

[gentle rose]

Object Oriented Programming language, it’s the kinds of languages that are built on a hierarchy of classes basically

[dusk mulch]

That is why I am following the monogame tutorial and documentation https://docs.monogame.net/articles/getting_started/5_adding_basic_code.html

[hard fern]

Ah that makes more sense

[gentle rose]

it’s a full theory but the tl;dr is that C# is one of them haha

[hard fern]

Im pretending i know what half of this means haha... I'll have to figure out c# some point so i can make my map foggy all the time

[gentle rose]

those are the monogame basics, I’m talking about the very basics of C# itself, which that tutorial likely somewhat assumes you know

[dusk mulch]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/

[gentle rose]

Are you saying you’re using the tutorials on that page? Because personally I’m good, I already did my time learning the basics (and not basics) of OOP

[dusk mulch]

I am using monogame and that page

[gentle rose]

that page is an index. I’m recommending you start with one of the actual tutorials on it.

[hard fern]

What would be a simple first C# mod 🤔 i don't really know what counts as simple vs complex

[gentle rose]

I guess it depends how simple you mean? if you’ve done no coding before, all modding might be a tiny bit too complex. The simplest possible C# mod is probably one that just prints “Hello World” to the log once, I guess?

[hard fern]

Hm, how complicated would weather be? Like separate weather from the rest of the town

[gentle rose]

I have no clue ngl but it might be as easy as a content patcher thing?

[brittle pasture]

that's doable in CP with location context

[hard fern]

Hm, there's no option for "foggy" weather though is there?

[brittle pasture]

look into cloudy skies

framework for custom weathers and effects

[brittle ledge]

🫵 TAS nerd?

[hard fern]

Ok, thanks

Ill check it out

That saves me some trouble 😅

[brittle ledge]

(keep in mind fog and mist tend to be processor intensive, so you probably want to use sparingly )

[hard fern]

Ah...m

Well ok I'll abandon that idea immediately

My poor laptop

[brittle ledge]

OH if you're wanting to have a location with vanilla weather that doesn't match PT, that's doable in CP!

VMV does it.

[hard fern]

Rain isn't as intense though, is it?

[brittle ledge]

Not as intense, yeah

[hard fern]

Great i can curse my npcs with perpetual rain instead

[rancid musk]

Strictly speaking a rain particle layer is more CPU intensive than a translucent fog texture layer.

[deep cypress]

Those hearts, Item #930, has anyone ever had any luck adding them?

[rancid musk]

I'm not active in the TAS community but I've played with a few before and I love watching them.

[brittle pasture]

Those are the hearts that drop from big slimes when you have the "no eating in skull cavern" challenge

[deep cypress]

Yes, am trying to make them drop when u break bushes or barrels with the link shirts.

They don't seem to add like they do when u kill a slime.

[brittle pasture]

it's just Game1.createItemDebris right

[deep cypress]

That might be the problem, I am using Game1.createMultipleObjectDebris

[brittle pasture]

I don't think that matters

maybe your coords are wrong

[brave fable]

are fog and mist particularly processor heavy? the sprite overlay just seems equivalent to having another back layer over your map.

[lucid iron]

i thought rain's the bad one

[rancid musk]

I wouldn't think it's heavy. Not like shaders.

[lucid iron]

as far as "just draw sprites" kind of weather effect goes

[rancid musk]

Rain has lots of individual particles and they all get updated every frame.

[reef kiln]

Fog is pretty bad. I had to turn of the fog on my other PC.

[brave fable]

in the base game, or some modded version?

[reef kiln]

SVE, it is the only mod I know that adds fog to areas. Not sure what about it causes the lag, but it does.

[brave fable]

i guess it does mean blending the sprites after all, but still

[gaunt orbit]

yeah that's not weather

I think it's a bunch of stacked map layers maybe?

I have heard a lot of people say it's laggy

[brave fable]

seems wasteful not to simply have copied (or reverse patched!!) the bathhouse implementation

[reef kiln]

My main computer handles it fine. It is the kids PC that can't handle it.

[gaunt orbit]

flash doesn't do c#, so only the things that absolutely must be done in c# are done that way

[brave fable]

this is the sort of thing that sounds like it absolutely must be done in c# hahah

when people can't run the feature it's time to try again

[reef kiln]

I agree that it is not weather though. It seems linked to time of day more then anything.

[gaunt orbit]

I don't disagree, but that also relies on gettting a c# modder to do it

I dont remember who the current maintainer for SVE's c# is

[brave fable]

if it's ishan or esca i'd understand

but if they were actively working on it it'd be completely trivial

[gaunt orbit]

it's not being actively developed I think, just maintained

[brave fable]

ah right, flash is doing castle town now isn't he

[reef kiln]

Yup, in his free time he says he is busy working for CA at the moment.

[brittle ledge]

Turning it off in mods like SVE makes a noticeable difference.

[tiny zealot]

anything is processor intensive if you code it right

[scarlet ether]

Does anybody know where exactly the border bits from the bottom of the MenuTiles sheet are being used in game? Or if they're used at all?

[dusk mulch]

Well I got the conveyor belt turning functionality done

At least 1 side of it

[versed wyvern]

There wouldn't happen to be a way to check if an NPC is using a particular Appearance as a condition, would there?

[gaunt orbit]

couldn't you just duplicate the condition field of the Appearance?

[versed wyvern]

Yeah, that's probably the next best option but I can imagine that'll quickly get messy if I want to do multiple checks

[deep cypress]

I have the bathhouse steam on a bunch of my maps, no problems it seems! Also, with the Scarlet Witch ring, when u put it on the screen goes wild…

[gaunt orbit]

the sve fog problem is specific to sve

and it's baked into the map

[brave fable]

hi, these are used in the levelupmenu. are you looking at the decompiled code, or just making a recolour?

i like the crusty ape buried in the menutiles sheet. very mr. dink

[scarlet ether]

Doing a new minimalist recolor. Thank you for the info.

[versed wyvern]

Incredible uhm akcually energy

[golden basin]

if anyone is make a npc that would have a lil kitty as a pet i have a npc sheet im giving away for free of a teeny lil kitty

youd be welcomed to change colors too

I was just practicing pixeling very tiny things

[turbid grotto]

Anyone have any prompts for dialogue? I’m running out of ideas and need stuff for him to talk about….

[golden basin]

hmmm how about, npc had a nightmare that night and couldnt sleep afterward?

[turbid grotto]

👍👍

[golden basin]

heck yeah

[brittle ledge]

ooh we have a creative-writing topic I can ping you into, one sec

[turbid grotto]

Ooh that’d be great, ty

[rough lintel]

my programmer fellas: how do i define a Special rule for a special order? do i just do a gsq in the special rules thing or can i define it somewhere else

[tiny zealot]

trying to find where the hell i got three color shades from so i can do more accurate recolor compat for it

[uncut viper]

you can put anything you want as a special rule. wont do anything if you dont change things based on it being active or not though

its just an arbitrary string id

[rough lintel]

oh so i dont have to define the rule anywhere

just check if its "active"

and then if its active, i change the thing i am actually supposed to change

ie
pick up special order to brew alcohol -> rule now instated to brew special alcohol -> new machine rules are now activated because of rule

[uncut viper]

yea pretty much

its basically a mail flag

[rough lintel]

oh prrbt

[uncut viper]

but activated upon special order and removed after

[rough lintel]

okay! thank you :)

and if im doing a gsq, i have to change "When" to "Condition" right

[brave fable]

afaik all game queries use Condition; and only CP uses When

[rough lintel]

gotcha gotcha

[uncut viper]

and never shall the two mix

you can, however, put tokens in a Condition

[rough lintel]

i feel like constantly checking this condition to add objects and machine rules would be taxing in the game "Condition": "ANY \"PLAYER_SPECIAL_ORDER_RULE_ACTIVE Any Rule_CanBrewSoju\" \"PLAYER_HAS_MAIL Any {{ModId}}_SojuRecipeMail Any\"",

[uncut viper]

theyre only checked as necessary

[rough lintel]

oh so like when you- like when

when you use a keg?

[uncut viper]

yeah when you drop an ingredient in and it decides what its making

it checks the condition

[rough lintel]

ah okay

[uncut viper]

it doesnt read it any other time

[rough lintel]

should i make the addition of the objects conditional too or just have them in the game by default, just inaccessible

[brave fable]

are queries evaluated on probe as well?

[uncut viper]

like, in machines specifically or

[brave fable]

i suppose so, nothing else comes to mind with a probe function

[uncut viper]

from an admittedly very cursory glance, it looks like probing makes it stop just short of running OutputMachine which is what calls GetOutputData item which checks the GSQ

NPC.tryToReceiveActiveObject can be probed

though thinking about it, im not sure what good a probe does if it doesnt check the GSQ? so i probably missed smth

[hot gale]

Why does duration 430 = 5:01 minutes? 430 seconds is 7+ minutes am I missing something

[royal stump]

I think the probe in PlaceInMachine just checks whether any rule would ever take the given item? it does seem to skip the actual condition check

[uncut viper]

if (probe)
{
  return true;
}
if (!this.OutputMachine(machineData, outputRule, inputItem, who, location, probe))
{
  return false;
}

i dont think you can ever probe the GSQ if you probe from PlaceInMachine

but if you probe OutputMachine directly, you can

the probe cant do any checks at all bc the other places probe is used before this, makes sure its false first

the additional requirements check is irregardless of the probe

which is probably what you meant and im just bein dumb

[acoustic summit]

A bit late but on this topic in skillful clothes revamped I worked on a scalable effect for impacting how fast your friendship goes up or down, could do something similar but display each 5-10% or so as 1 charisma point

[royal stump]

idk much about when the game actually calls probes honestly, I was just skimming for the word and seeing if any methods with it called CheckConditions

that one stood out as skipping it, whatever context is around it

[brave fable]

probe is usually used on mouse over a machine or character to determine the cursor

i'm sure it's not important

[royal stump]

spamming GSQs every frame would be kind of an issue depending on complexity

[uncut viper]

i guess TryGetMachineOutputRule does actually check the conditions further in

[royal stump]

not that the hover code isn't A Lot already

[uncut viper]

i skimmed over checking that bc it doesnt have a probe function in the first place

but this function is only called when the object is actually dropped into the machine anyway

so not on mouse hover or anything

no never mind it is checked by the mouse cursor

[gentle rose]

an issue of DETERMINATION and WILL /lh

[uncut viper]

it is a little pricier than i wouldve expected, i wouldve thought special rules wouldve been saved somewhere specific

but no, that GSQ iterates over every special order and splits its SpecialRule string field and iterates over those to check if they match

iterates over every active special order*

[royal stump]

Basically, a duration of 430 is 43 ten-minute clock changes. In-game time is about 7 seconds for every 10-minute change, so
7 x 43 = 301 seconds = 5.01666(etc) minutes

[hot gale]

Ahhh!

[brave fable]

introducing my new Helpful Mod that iterates over all rules each frame to visualise all relevant conditions to ensure you, the user, knows the exact current state of ur game at any given moment

maybe per machine to make sure its accurate

[uncut viper]

if it isnt too much trouble, id also like you to scan the content patcher patch that added those machine rules, to check whether or not that patch is immutable

[royal stump]

that's basically how I perceive the fish-catching overlay mods

(having personally added more nonsense to the pile of code they need to check)

[rough lintel]

yeah, thats why im unsure if i should make the objects conditional/special. i mean you can cjb spawn in quest items even if you dont have the quest, so maybe im just being too particular

[uncut viper]

in practice, your GSQ is completely negligible

[rough lintel]

[royal stump]

idk enough about machine design to comment, but a lot of the GSQs in practice can be spammed without worrying

[brave fable]

yeah it's worth remembering that the game is evaluating all this stuff anyway for everyone everytime

you're just one more thing to check is all

[uncut viper]

really, the iterating-over-every-order thing is just technical nitpicking anyway. how many special orders are you likely to have at once?

[brave fable]

i might have two..

[uncut viper]

damn... a time complexity of O(2). throw out the whole class

[brave fable]

o(no)...

[uncut viper]

(admittedly, time complexity of not the only kind of complexity to worry about anyway)

[patent lance]

New quote added by chu2.718281828459045235360287471 as #6338 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/1352825006102679605)

[rancid musk]

This reminds me to revisit my gsq cache system

[brave fable]

i'm sorry. i didn't know all this would happen i just wanted to talk about probe because it sounds funny and important

[rigid oriole]

does pelican town have a canonical postal service name?

[marble nova]

Lewis 😛

[rigid oriole]

he takes your shipped items... but who delivers mail

[marble nova]

I imagine also him lmao, but I could be wrong, I don't think it's ever stated

[rigid oriole]

if never stated i can call it whatever i want 💪

[deep cypress]

What’s funny is I can add a Game1.player.Charisma using Spacecore and have it work hopefully fairly easily… I ought to put this in my Reputation Mod, which has almost no work done on it and like only ModEntry…

[rigid oriole]

tell me more about this reputation mod 👀

[deep cypress]

But the real misery would come in making it go into all the places where one would expect people to like or dislike u more…

[rigid oriole]

if you ever do develop it, sounds like something that it'd be fun to make my current project compatible with

[deep cypress]

The Reputation mod is going to make u liked more or less, stuff cost more or less, etc based on your reputation. Checking trashcans gives u a hit. Slingshotting people or setting bombs off in town gets u in HELLA trouble.

Are u the one who made the Law and Order SVE?

[rigid oriole]

... could always just postfix Farmer::changeFriendship

[rigid oriole]

no but i am working on "enemy of the valley"

[deep cypress]

Ooooh! That sounds most intriguing!!!!!!!

[deep cypress]

That would prob make a lot of sense…

[acoustic summit]

For the idea you wanted which would impact how much friendship went up or down you can just check for changes in friendship passively and then work your logic off that

[rigid oriole]

every time friendship changes, check if it went up or down, then you can update reputation accordingly presumably?

and then if you want more things to update friendship/reputation, just call changeFriendship

i do feel it might be safer to just store charisma on the player's moddata instead of changing the save serializer unless you have a super good reason to

[deep cypress]

You are probably quite correct!

I will take a look into it…. What’s enemy of the valley?

[rigid oriole]

effectively a "negative friendship" mod

[deep cypress]

YES!!!

I have been wanting that! I want Lewis to hate me…

[rigid oriole]

dialogue, events, ui, enemy relationship types, the whole shebang

[deep cypress]

Game1.player.moddata is probably real, right? Am at work, or i’d check…

[rigid oriole]

it is real since Game1.player is a Farmer and farmers have moddata

it might be modData but the ansewr in general is yes

[deep cypress]

Yes!!!!!!!!

I am super excited for the enemy in the valley mod!

[rigid oriole]

you're the second person to mention lewis so i should make sure his arc is good lol

but of course anyone is free to write their own arcs for any of the characters once this is out

[deep cypress]

Prob the most unequivocally hated are Lewis, Pierre, Clint.
Next tier is Pam and Demetrius, hated some, often seen as misunderstood. Next tier is controversial, either loved or hated: Abigail, Haley, Shane, Sebastian. The amount of either hater threads or angry defense rants I have seen of them are MANY. Which to me is pretty cool to make people feel!

[rigid oriole]

i did haley's dialogue today. was a lotta fun lol

[sour sleet]

What do I put in the Type field when adding a forageable? None from this menu seem to fit

[deep cypress]

I love her so much and marry her so each playthrough (along with Leah and Abigail!), but I really want her to yell at me too, so, this is definitely going to be fun!

[rigid oriole]

i'm gonna leave some characters out because honestly if you want to be Jas's enemy.... why

[rigid oriole]

vanilla forageables like daffodils are Basic type objects

[deep cypress]

Foragables go another spot.

That’s for dig-ups.

[sour sleet]

Thanks!

[sour sleet]

Huh?

[rigid oriole]

do you have your content folder unpacked?

[sour sleet]

Yep

[deep cypress]

Sorry disregard me I am a little insane and also at wirk, I though somehow this was the map properties!

[sour sleet]

So they don't go in Data/Objects?

[deep cypress]

Yes, they do.

[sour sleet]

Ah ok

[deep cypress]

My mind os far afield.

[sour sleet]

We've all been there lmao

[patent lance]

@dusk mulch: Make that mod idea I thought about (24h ago)

[marble nova]

Sooo I have what this tutorial says should be the basics of what I need to at least spawn my npc into the game standing still and doing nothing (none of his actual behaviour or dialogue yet), but when I boot up the game, it says it can't load it because it's an empty folder? It definitely isn't empty 😦

[uncut viper]

you put your manifest in the wrong folder

presumably

[marble nova]

oh? Where does it need to be?

[latent mauve]

Being Jas or Vincent's enemy should be reserved for lighthearted prank wars.

[uncut viper]

your manifest and content.json must be in the same folder and they must be in the top most folder

but it looks like there might be one in your assets folder

[marble nova]

they are - assets is in the same folder

[rigid oriole]

wait... i actually love this idea

[uncut viper]

is there a manifest inside your assets folder by mistake?

[marble nova]

hmmmm maybe, lemme check

[brave fable]

is the file actually named manifest.json? do you have file extensions visible in windows?

[urban patrol]

is it possible to substitute an Action for a TouchAction on a map? i'd like for my NPC to say something when the farmer walks over a certain tile, but the only similar TouchAction i can find is emote

[uncut viper]

no

dependencies can help in that regard

[urban patrol]

you mean like dependencies on a framework like spacecore etc?

[uncut viper]

spacecore, BETAS, etc

[urban patrol]

okay i'll check out the documentation, thanks!

[brave fable]

how about Button's Any Actions Any lAyers, or BAnAnA for short

i've done the hard part for u. now u just need to make it

[uncut viper]

while i appreciate the joke i must make clear that BETAS already does this

[brave fable]

oh actually?

[uncut viper]

it provides an Spiderbuttons.BETAS_Action as both a tile and a touch action, which can then call any vanilla or modded trigger action

and one of the BETAS trigger actions is just Message or DialogueBox

also, all of its Trigger Actions are themselves registered as both touch and tile actions

[urban patrol]

so i would name the tiledata spacechase0.SpaceCore_TriggerAction and have the value be whatever i define my trigger action as, yes?

[uncut viper]

so you dont even need the Action touchaction workaround if its a BETAS action

the value would be the ID of your trigger action edit in Data/TriggerActions

however, how do you plan on showing a message with that

[urban patrol]

good question, that's my next step lol. i assume vanilla doesn't have anything like that? i saw this for spacecore: spacechase0.SpaceCore_ShowHudMessage "message goes here" optionalQualifiedItemIdForIcon but i don't know if that's for NPC messages

[uncut viper]

it isnt

there is no vanilla action for NPC dialogue boxes

there is no spacecore action for NPC dialogue boxes

[marble nova]

Nope, I've moved everything but the sprites/portraits out of Assets, and the main folder includes content.json, manifest.json, and assets folder

same error message

[vernal crest]

Can you show us a screenshot of your folders and files?

[uncut viper]

i would double check its an actual .json file then like blueberry suggested, it may be a fake file extension

[vernal crest]

Make sure you have file extensions turned on

[marble nova]

okay, I'll check that

[brave fable]

Action NPCMessage will show a dialogue box, but only within 14 tiles of the player

[urban patrol]

in that case, button i have a question: spacecore provides the functionality to animate NPCs more that one tile wide. does BETAS do anything similar? i could entirely switch to BETAS if it does

[uncut viper]

that also is not a touch action

nor is it a trigger action

BETAS only offers trigger actions/game state queries/tokenizable strings

[urban patrol]

gotcha

[uncut viper]

... and triggers

i forgot triggers

theyre only the main point of the mod...

[urban patrol]

i do know it's in the name at least! lol

[lucid iron]

and button!

[uncut viper]

it does not offer button

sorry for false advertising

[urban patrol]

no buy one, get one button

[lucid iron]

ill never recover from this

[urban patrol]

switching gears, do Actions have to be on Buildings tiles?

[uncut viper]

yes

[urban patrol]

ooh wait, but i can make Buildings tiles passable!

[uncut viper]

all TileData must have an actual tile beneath it on the appropriate layer

[vernal crest]

Yup

[lucid iron]

if you make it passable

itll do nothing

[urban patrol]

oh 😭

i thought i was so smart lol

[uncut viper]

i thought you wanted a touchaction anyway

[marble nova]

OH I THINK THAT'S IT! For some reason they're txt files 😦 I'll see if I can figure out how to change it

[uncut viper]

it being passable wouldnt have made it activate on touch anyway

[urban patrol]

i was okay with it being an interactable but still passable

[uncut viper]

ah

[urban patrol]

but if it prevents it from being interacted with then never mind i suppose

[lucid iron]

for passable interactions

u have to use touchaction on back layer

[urban patrol]

yep, which means i'd have to use BETAS to get an NPC message to display

[uncut viper]

the NPCMessage Action only works if the NPC is close enough anyway

[vernal crest]

If you have "show file extensions" enabled you can just rename it from manifest.json.txt to manifest.json and it will change the file type

[uncut viper]

dont know if that was ever an issue

[urban patrol]

it's a very small room, the size of the adventurer's guild, so unless the NPC was out of the room i think it would have worked

[lucid iron]

ok but when u walk on that tile accidentally

[cyan marsh]

I'm entering Data to a Dictionary<string, string> in the background while using a visual list<string> in the forground for ease of viewing. Basically, when you input the data and add to the list it first goes to the dictionary as a Key and Value but the list shows it as "Key: Value" as it is just for visual purposes. I want to delete something from the list which will Also delete from the dictionary. I can use a List.SelectedIndex to delete from the visual list but I cannot use that to delete the same spot in the dictionary

[rigid musk]

id honestly add Elliott to the either loved or hated tier, replacing Abigail or Sebastian cause I feel like they are pretty regularly loved and the amount of times I see people mention hating Elliott is... a lot (and it's usually either 'i love him' or 'he sucks so badly i hate him deeply')

[lucid iron]

it'll show a menu and then stop you

[urban patrol]

actually, for future reference, how is 14 tiles counted? scarecrow-style with a circle?

[cyan marsh]

I hope that makes sense

[uncut viper]

i honestly dont know how the tile range is counted

[lucid iron]

are u sure thats good experiance for player

[urban patrol]

it's tucked away in a corner (i put down the wizard's magic chalk circle) so i was just thinking of some fun flavor text where the NPC is like i wouldn't if i were you, who knows what that might do

but i suppose i could see how it would be annoying if it happened over and over

[rigid oriole]

The tentative plan is ||"he writes a book about dealing with people that get on your nerves and starts alluding more and more to the fact that you inspired it"||

[rigid musk]

oh my god that is actually so funny

[uncut viper]

also, im curious, where in the code does it check that a tile cannot be passable for an Action to work?

[rigid musk]

Elliott is my second favorite character in SDV (cough can you guess my first cough) so that's delightful actually I think its great

[uncut viper]

the answer is nowhere? i just made a Passable ColaMachine

[urban patrol]

omg 👀

[uncut viper]

explain yourself chu

(/lh)

[brave fable]

yeah i don't see anything checking for passable/collision

it just requires a Buildings tile

[uncut viper]

(ill be honest my "im curious, where is this" was just my polite way of saying "i looked and i dont see anything" too)

[lucid iron]

why did ur cat not work then

thats why i thought it was no good

*cat = that vendor in sailor styles

[brave fable]

what do u mean my mod is no good

[lucid iron]

does ur cat work if u set the tile to passable

[uncut viper]

explain yourself blueberry

[brave fable]

i uhhh ummm

[lucid iron]

there was a issue where the tile is still building when cat not there

i forgor whether i told u this and whether u did anything about it

[cyan marsh]

blah.. i went around it and played with substrings DX I wanted to be lazy tho

[brave fable]

well you did tell me about it but then asbdhk jkfdjk mfgmmg

,.

[uncut viper]

i blame both of you for misinformation

case closed

[dusk mulch]

well i finally got the conveyor done, now i can move onto the background and packages

[lucid iron]

hmm

maybe blueberry thing is also cus

[uncut viper]

what happened here chu

[lucid iron]

the kot is an npc

[uncut viper]

oop

did not mean to ping for that one sorry

[brave fable]

explain yoursehfl chu

[urban patrol]

watching all of this like an ace attorney court case 🍿

[brave fable]

reminds me i need to make a hamburger portrait for rei

[vernal crest]

I wonder how much I will hate myself if I decide to make personal edits to every single events mod to give them descriptive event IDs

[urban patrol]

okay, unrelated Tiled weirdness i'm getting: i made a custom tilesheet just for random objects, only in use in two maps, but every map i open has that tilesheet in the sidebar whenever one of those two maps is also open

[vernal crest]

Did you happen to use tsx files at any point during this?

[uncut viper]

just give chatgpt the event script and ask it to summarize

(/j /j /j /j /j)

[vernal crest]

Har de har har

[urban patrol]

not to my knowledge? but it's entirely possible since i don't even know what they are or when to use them etc

[brittle pasture]

exclamationmark chatgptcode

[lucid iron]

so hm this one's definitely fine

[vernal crest]

Custom tilesheet is a .png file, yes? When you added it to your map, did you make sure the "Embed in map" button was checked?

[lucid iron]

ill have to check what i did in sailor styles

[urban patrol]

it is, and i should have, since i know you have to embed, but how would i check that/fix it? delete the tilesheet and re-add it?

[vernal crest]

If you don't remember you can check by looking at the buttons below the tileset and if the second one (Embed Tileset) is not greyed out, your tileset is not embedded.

[uncut viper]

purple tiled...

[urban patrol]

oop it does look like it's not greyed out can i simply click that to embed it?

[vernal crest]

Yes

[urban patrol]

awesome, thank you

[vernal crest]

But that will not fix the issue you asked about

[urban patrol]

it won't? i just checked and the tilesheet is gone from the other maps i had open

[vernal crest]

You will need to embed it into the two maps you want it in, then close Tiled and go hunting for the tsx file and then delete it (but do not permanently delete in case something goes wonky and you need it back).

I suppose it's not the end of the world to have a tsx file floating about but it might tempt you to use it again in future.

[urban patrol]

i see i see. i'm guessing i'm not so lucky for it to have saved in the same folder lol

OH it is, at the very bottom

excellent

[lucid iron]

yep doing "Passable": "T" in sailor style is fine too

i have no idea why it no work tbh

or rather, why i thought it no work

[uncut viper]

alls well that ends well

[vernal crest]

And this was all good entertainment

[lucid iron]

trial's over 1000 years jail for chu

[vernal crest]

Miette will be pleased

[urban patrol]

yeah i'm always impressed by 1) how much i learn in this channel 2) how willing you guys are to experiment and dive into the code to really understand the hows and whys of things

[uncut viper]

a bunch of the C# modders are very easy to nerdsnipe

myself included

[vernal crest]

It's fun to know stuff

[hard fern]

there would be no modding if there were no nerds who liked to poke around in the code 😔

[uncut viper]

case in point: im pretty sure blueberry only went to search bc i simply uttered the words "where is this"

[uncut viper]

xnb mods would find a way, im sure. they always do, somehow...

[rigid musk]

considering you literally made a whole mod for something i mentioned commissioning once (much appreciated still) ... yeah

[brave fable]

it's more fun to solve other peoples problems than actually fix mine

[uncut viper]

thats a whole mood

[hard fern]

true

[rigid musk]

xnb mods scare me

[uncut viper]

i was and am procrastinating my own mod for it

[hard fern]

im procrastinating my own mod in favor of cranking out all the ace attorney games.

im making progress. on the game, not my mod

[uncut viper]

tbf a lot of others peoples problems i know the answer to or know where to look. if im having problems it means im fuckin stuck as hell and cant make progress, otherwise i wouldnt have a problem

[vernal crest]

Yeah if someone else needed help to do the exact things that I want to for Hiria I'd have so much more of her finished

[marble nova]

This worked, thank you! I'm no longer getting an error. I still not seeing my boy at the bus stop, but I'm wondering if I just have him spawning in the wrong location. Is there a way to find the coordinates on the map in-game so I can set it to a space that is definitely visible and empty?

[hard fern]

yes, through debug mode, or opening the map in tiled

[vernal crest]

You can use Lookup Anything or Debug Mode (both mods) in game, or you can open the map file in Tiled

[brave fable]

just reached a recipe for turnabout 🍔

[uncut viper]

you can also open the map in Notepad++ to searech the raw xml

you shouldnt, but as long as we're listing options...

[hard fern]

sigh, i would love to play the game for once, but.. alas

[marble nova]

the map file in Tiled should just be in the Content (unpacked) folder, right? Nt something that should be in my mod rn?

[uncut viper]

if thats where you've already been working on it, then keep it there

[vernal crest]

That would be the worst way ever, oh my gosh

No button they are asking where the vanilla busstop map is

[uncut viper]

could be worse, at least theyre not tbins

oh

[lucid iron]

i gotta find where the rain is drawn

[uncut viper]

my bad

[lucid iron]

it does look like island north is not have the problem

[vernal crest]

By the way you can also put debug where NPCINTERNALNAME into the SMAPI window so it will tell you where they are and/or debug wtc NPCINTERNALNAME to warp right on top of them

[uncut viper]

is it screenOverlayTemporarySprites

thats not the name of the field i cant remember the name

but theres a field for screen overlay sprites

[rigid musk]

So my mod does not touch the schedules of any other npcs... but for some reason NPCs like Willy are going over to the bus stop and into Qi's room on some people's saves? Like... Willy doesn't even GO to the bus stop unless it's the desert festival so what on god's green earth could be causing this? (I cannot replicate it for the life of me but I've had at least four people report it to me so it's clearly SOMETHING happening... and they don't have any other mods installed so)

[brave fable]

they're drawn in drawWeather from rainDrops

[uncut viper]

Game1.screenOverlayTempSprites
no clue what its used for but rain seems like a screen overlay maybe sorta

[brave fable]

surprisingly nothing to do with screenoverlaytempsprites

[uncut viper]

[vernal crest]

Do you have logs to confirm that there aren't other mods or are you believing them? Because sometimes users lie about things like that.

Bizarrely frequently actually

[lucid iron]

[rigid musk]

They sent me their logs dw I wouldn't have even paid any mind to it if they just ignored me and didn't

[lucid iron]

why is this specific

[uncut viper]

four people reporting it independently would be very weird

[rigid musk]

Unfortunately I wasn't able to get their farms :( which is what I asked for

I did have someone else let me know that they had the issue and I'll be getting their farm save tomorrow at least but I'm just wondering if it's something I could work on now since I'm in the process of doing stuff for v.1.1.0 right now anyways

[brave fable]

it's likely to do with the parallax background

[uncut viper]

wait... so does this mean it is broken on the summit

[rigid musk]

(or if anyone had any experience with anything similar)

[lucid iron]

i guess so

[brave fable]

if the rain frames advance then you'll see them splashing on the open sky

[lucid iron]

does the summit even rain

[uncut viper]

that is the problem chu is trying to solve yes

[tiny zealot]

is qi's room connected to the bus stop? and does it connect to anywhere else

[uncut viper]

the npc scheduler thinking Qi's room is suddenly a shorter path somewhere wouldve been my guess, but itd be hard to debug why if its only for some people, meaning who knows what other map edit is making it happen

[lucid iron]

my goose is wet

[brave fable]

oh right chu has the weird goose demo

say i should copy that code. that'd explain a lot

[lucid iron]

dont u already have this

[dusk mulch]

where even are you?

[brave fable]

how should i know

[lucid iron]

i didnt even get around to making night colors work yet

[dusk mulch]

it looks like the summit but with a goose

[lucid iron]

i rmbr u showing some kinda sunset demo

[uncut viper]

didnt blueberry's boat thing also have a parallax background

[vernal crest]

It's a map where you can see into the centre of the earth

[hard fern]

what species of goose is that

[vernal crest]

And it's goose all the way down baby

[rigid musk]

I suppose that could be it - maybe it's trying to take them to the island through his walnut room warp but that is absolutely so much farther away then just going through Willy's shop

[tiny zealot]

sunset demos reminding me of the event i want to redo but will never have time for

[brave fable]

the boat scene doesn't really have a parallax bg, it's entirely papercraft, no tiles or map

[hard fern]

it's a canada goose

[uncut viper]

does Willy even go to the island ever normally?

[hard fern]

branta canadensis

[velvet narwhal]

🪿

[rigid musk]

you know i dont think he does ... that's the literal only warp i can think of that they would be trying to get to though

the only other ones involve his office (at least for what npcs could be trying to path to atm)

the weirdest part is that it happens without any other mods installed, like what possibly could that even be ... I suppose ill just have to wait and find out always an issue with this blue guy i stg

[uncut viper]

have you tested on days where Willy is set to use his Saloon schedule?

[lucid iron]

how do i do != null in IL again

[tiny zealot]

brfalse i think?

[lucid iron]

oh its just falsy?

[tiny zealot]

i think brfalse covers null but i'm not 100% on that

[lucid iron]

i wanted to add if (Game1.background != null) { } basically

i have the label i need to jump into the { }

[uncut viper]

ldloc.1
ldnull
cgt.un
brfalse.s

this is what a quick test compile made

[rigid oriole]

null is falsy i think

[lucid iron]

so then i need brtrue

[uncut viper]

that il is what came out when i compiled if (var != null) return

[dusk mulch]

Can I ask for help with monogame here? (and before any of you tell me i shouldve looked at the documentation first, i did. i looked at the api, tutorials, ect.)

[marble nova]

Are Tiled map files the TMX files?

[uncut viper]

if its just about monogame and not stardew, i d ont think that would be this channel

if anything it might be #programmers-off-topic , but i dont know if thats really a questions channel either and not just a hang out and talk off-topically zone. i dont know the ruling on that one

[dusk mulch]

Alright, ty!

[uncut viper]

as always if you're unsure take a junimo's word for it over mine

[dusk mulch]

Well I already posted there so I will need to take a junimos warning over anything.

[lucid iron]

yey my goose no longer wet

i was able to just ldsfld directly into brtrue_s

[lucid iron]

yes

[rigid musk]

operation 'make the actual babies blue' was a success

[rigid musk]

hmm... I will test this now

[uncut viper]

hm. this doesnt seem correct.

[rigid oriole]

LGTM

[urban patrol]

stardew valley eldritch style

[dusk mulch]

what did you inject into the babys 😭

[lucid iron]

PerScreen<WeakReference<Item?>> feels a little gross

[rigid musk]

I fed them qi beans

[dusk mulch]

what?! can i have some?!

[rigid musk]

[uncut viper]

hes going to the bus there? from where?

[rigid musk]

well its his friday schedule and it was at 11:30 that he approached... so from the beach im guessing but i dont know why because that's not his actual schedule

[uncut viper]

where did he go after that?

[rigid musk]

i dont know (yet) i closed it to test to see if he does it with spacecore installed

he does not, in fact, do it with spacecore (which is probably why i dont notice it happening because i have it installed normally)

im glad im going to be making it a requirement

[uncut viper]

im actually more surprised that the other people dont have spacecore

i guess its just pathfinding weirdness

[rigid musk]

I can confirm that without spacecore he just starts walking from the beach in the morning to the bus stop... why? I dont even know his schedule has him going into his shop

willy... willy where are you going willy... :(

[uncut viper]

something to do with npc warps, im sure

maybe trying to go thru the desert to the island

and then from the island to the boat

back to his shop

[sour sleet]

Is it possible to add my custom forageables spawning with FTM?

[rigid musk]

yeah! I know that thats how a lot of things do it i think

[rigid musk]

thats so...
Why

[sour sleet]

Oh that’s awesome. I was worried it wouldn’t accept it

[rigid musk]

I know that SVE does it - as well as forage of ferngill :D

[urban patrol]

willy has taken up the new hobby of marathon walking

[rigid musk]

apparently ...

certainly a sequence of events... he just stops in here

[dusk mulch]

NOOOOOO

I ACCIDENTALLY DELETED A PORTRAIT I WAS WORKING ON 😭

[rigid musk]

you dont have any backups?

[dusk mulch]

i forgot to make some

[rigid musk]

also i thought yo uwere talking a break from coding

always save

[dusk mulch]

well...

uh...

you see...

[brave fable]

art doesn't count 😌

[dusk mulch]

i was but then i had this idea so i had to go learn C# then the idea needed monogame too, but the idea was too annoying so i scrapped it but i wanted to make it so picked it back up and here we are... the portrait was a side project

and now i am debating if i even want to update timbergate at all...

[rigid musk]

[royal stump]

Just to confirm, yeah, FTM's forage spawner accepts the ID or internal name (not DisplayName) of any object the same way, whether it's modded or not

[rigid musk]

what's the command to do a summary of an npcs schedule?

[dusk mulch]

patch export Characters/Schedules/NPCNAMEHERE?

[sour sleet]

Oh that’s awesome thanks Esca. Don’t know what I’d do without FTM

[dusk mulch]

im going to flip a coin, heads i will update timbergate, tails i wont

[rigid musk]

yeah his schedule is still normal, i think its just being weird for no reason...

if you arent feeling it just wait and do it later :O

[dusk mulch]

but i suck at art and that is like the 1 thing that needs to be fixed

[uncut viper]

question for the C# people: is there a good way to get the mouse's cursor position in pixels relative to where it is on the map and not just in the current viewport?

[brave fable]

not directly, i think the game just uses Utility.PointToVector2(Game1.getMousePosition()) + new Vector2(Game1.viewport.X, Game1.viewport.Y)

[royal stump]

Game1.currentCursorTile is a thing that seems to match that, though I'm not 100% sure if it works

[uncut viper]

currentCursorTile doesnt give me the pixels within the tile that i am hovering over

[royal stump]

oh, right, misread, my bad

[uncut viper]

blueberry's snippet does though, thank you. was hopin there'd just be like, Game1.getMapCursorPosition() or somethin i was missing

[rigid musk]

if I want to edit a mod's cutscene (SVE) to have an alternate version would it just be the same as editing vanilla cutscenes ? like if I add a 'when' condition for something will it take priority or should I add some sort of priority to it for that to happen

[marble nova]

Hmmmmm okay, progress in that SMAPI is actually telling me now that it's not spawning Chase rather than pretending stuff is fine, but for some reason it's looking for his portrait in the base game folders?

Do I have the wrong thing telling it to check the mod folder?

[dusk mulch]

It is Portraits

Not Portrait

[brave fable]

the game is looking for Portraits/Chase, you're targeting Portrait/Chase

[marble nova]

OH

thank you!

[brave fable]

but do also share a log and json file instead in future

[royal stump]

If another mod adds the event unconditionally, you can just edit it like any vanilla event. If it's overwriting an existing event, or adding a blank one then editing it, etc, you may need to mess with CP's priority field so that your edits apply later:
https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/action-editdata.md#usage *
(or possibly make your mod false-require SVE in the manifest, but priority is clearer)

[marble nova]

oh like copy-paste instead of screenshot?

He's heeeeeeeere

[brave fable]

share via https://log.smapi.io and https://json.smapi.io

[rigid musk]

YIPPIE good job!

[rigid musk]

Thank you Esca :D

I'll have to look into how SVE does the event :3 I havent actually seen it more than once lmao

[dusk mulch]

Whoa, looks awesome!

[marble nova]

he's hiding in a tree, but he EXISTS

[dusk mulch]

Sorry yall, earth wasn't compatible with SVE.

[uncut viper]

[rigid musk]

but is space compatible with sve ?

is air compatible with sve? is SVE compatible with SVE????!!!

[dusk mulch]

only if you are omnipotent

[dusk mulch]

whoah, pushing the barrier, you're going to make atoms incompatible with SVE

[rigid musk]

were they ever truly compatible to begin with

[urban patrol]

is there an easy way to view SVE maps in Tiled without getting all of the "tilesheet file could not be found" errors?

[ornate locust]

Dump the tilesheets in the same folder?

I have a Workspace folder I dump all the tilesheets and maps in

[urban patrol]

man... one glance at these maps and never mind, maybe i don't have to be compatible

i put my lighthouse warps exactly where blue moon vineyard warps are on the beach

[ornate locust]

Hypothetically, you could patch out that and do your own warp and put like... a warp to where the BLue Moon Vineyard beach is on the other side of your map? I don't know what your map looks like, if it has an other side

Thinking low effort

[rigid musk]

Honestly if you don't want to do compatibility don't

[ornate locust]

I mean that's the real answer, of course

Was just spitballing

[rigid musk]

You'll get comments about it ofc but take it from someone who did do compatibility for SVE... it takes a lot of effort lmao

[ornate locust]

mood

[urban patrol]

yeah i tried with like the festivals and stuff, but the maps are so different, and i'm already really doing an expansion in my own right lol

[rigid musk]

(and now im getting requests to make my mod compatible with something that completely edits the desert so i cant wait to do THAT /sarc)

[urban patrol]

i can send my lighthouse map if you guys want to see

[rigid musk]

:3 i always love seeing what people are making

[ornate locust]

Two warps isn't terrible as far as SVE compatibility goes, the festivals are the annoying part

but if you're doing a big thing, yeah

[rigid musk]

Festivals and maps

Events were a nightmare I had to go and check every single one to make sure it actually worked it was awful

same with schedules ... eugh

[urban patrol]

it's more that like, the world wouldn't really logically make sense?

[rigid musk]

because if your schedule is supposed to be at a cliff but sve edits that cliff and its not a cliff anymore... :')

[urban patrol]

oh lord

[rigid musk]

oh that's so cute

[urban patrol]

events are already my enemy

thank you!

[rigid musk]

Yeah i had to make alternates for a bunch of them

[urban patrol]

but yeah you can see where SVE has the stairs up the blue moon vineyard from the beach, and mine is the town river...

like i can't wrap my head around how to fit it in yknow

[ornate locust]

Well if you wanted, you could make the sand go all the way up on the left and have that lead to the Blue Moon Vineyard and just hope other people are like me and didn't realize that was the town river at the top

[rigid musk]

I made alternates to some of my events based on dating/marriage as well, so I have four entries for one single event all based on if sve is installed and if you're dating the npc ... it was ... 'fun'

[ornate locust]

That would be the low effort solution if you wanted to do compatibility. Just like squeeze it in there

[urban patrol]

low effort is how i fight back the scope creep lolll

[ornate locust]

Ye

[rigid musk]

a little warp over on the left would definitely work actually

[ornate locust]

It's not like vanilla is super exact with how everything fits together exactly anyway, so if you fudge it, people probably aren't going to notice

[urban patrol]

true!

[rigid musk]

vanilla is very much not exact

idk if you've ever seen someone put the maps together but they do not piece together very well

[ornate locust]

yeah LOL I saw that

[brave fable]

beach farm raises more questions than it answers

[urban patrol]

okay so in that case, how do i make my beach map edit override theirs?

[rigid musk]

it would probably be a priority patch of some sort

[urban patrol]

conditional hasmod and target their map?

oh so still targeting beach okay

[rigid musk]

yeah as long as your thing happens before SVE's you should be okay

[urban patrol]

not after?

[rigid musk]

is it after or before... that's a good question

[urban patrol]

i thinkkkkk late priority is desirable

[rigid musk]

never hurts to try either or to see if it works

but yeah you would only need one patch with the priority thing

technically you could do two but you dont really need to if you're making sure your map is patching that specific area

[versed wyvern]

You do want to load later if you want your edits to take priority but I think SVE's beach edits are mostly unintrusive enough that it doesn't matter too much?

[rigid oriole]

Could you add a false dependency on sdve so you always load after them rather than doing priority?

[rigid musk]

I swear there were other mods that edited that side of the beach but i cant remember those either

[versed wyvern]

I put a thing over one of the rubble piles and it loads in even when using SVE

[rigid musk]

oh yeah this too O:

[urban patrol]

unfortunately i'm not sure what this means or how i would do it

[rigid musk]

that's what Esca mentioned earlier when I asked about one of SVE's events

essentially in your manifest you would put that your mod needs SVE but put it down as false as essential

[urban patrol]

off the top of your head, do you know the XY and area?

[rigid musk]

like that

i was going to get one of my own to show too lmao

[rigid oriole]

Add it as a dependency in your manifest but set it as required: false

[urban patrol]

thank you guys!

[versed wyvern]

In the manifest.json if you set a dependency to false, it'll be an "optional dependency", making it load later than that mod but not crash without the mod because it's optional

[ornate locust]

was just editing my manifest to add one LOL

[rigid musk]

perfect timing

I have been completely avoiding designing the maps for this arena... i really should do it because its going to take the longest

[urban patrol]

what's SVE's ModId?

[urban patrol]

ooh an arena, fun

[ornate locust]

I have that in here too

[versed wyvern]

For my edit? Mine's at X29 at the top of the screen where one of the piles of scrap wood are

SVE adds an inspection message to those piles but my thing's still there

[urban patrol]

interesting okay

[versed wyvern]

Hmm, I should probably check if pressing interact still brings up that message even though it's walkable now

[urban patrol]

oh wait and this goes under "ContentPackFor": { correct?

[ornate locust]

It's under "Dependencies": ["

[urban patrol]

on that note, if i have spacecore as a dependency on nexus, i put that in my manifest here too?

[rigid musk]

Yeah! There's this unused asset in SDV called 'qi arena totem' or something similar and I mean... If I'm going to make a mod for Mr.Qi I feel like implementing unimplemented things just makes sense right ?

yes you put it as a dependency if you need it to run your mod

[urban patrol]

oh nice! your work cut out for you lol

[ornate locust]

Ye, but don't do "false" on that one, do "true"

[rigid musk]

in that case you would make sure it's set to - yeah

[urban patrol]

makes sense lol

[rigid musk]

yeahh especially since I plan on having it be seasonal lmao

four different maps

[urban patrol]

oh oof

[ornate locust]

The true ones are ones you hard Need, the false ones are optional

[urban patrol]

i made like 12 seasonal tiles for grass/sand transitions and even that felt like So Much

[rigid musk]

Currently I'm avoiding what I should be doing by writing even more dialogue for him that I really don't need

[ornate locust]

Oh man I just did seasonals with recolor support for a single building and it was already aaaaaaa

[urban patrol]

oh god don't even talk to me about recolor support if i ignore it it doesn't exist...

[rigid musk]

I just plan on using different types of tiles for each map ... recolor support doesnt exist ever

I will not be doing recolors i dont even know how I would with the color pallets and stuff i dont know how it works (and i dont want to)

People can make recolors of course, I set up my tilesheets for them to do that, but I aint doing it myself

[urban patrol]

yeah so fair

[versed wyvern]

Btw has anyone ever tried to make a vanilla NPC not unlocked at the start of the game? Like until you view a new cutscene meant to introduce you to them? Some characters back in the Harvest Moon games would be introduced that way and I'm somewhat interested in doing something like that, but I'm wondering if the game will explode if it tries to use a character who's not "unlocked" yet

[ornate locust]

I mainly just recolor stuff that exists in the OG map, you know? And my building's brick, it's not very bright, so it looks fine with most recolors

Like SNOW, the reason I did recolors for it was snow

so the snow matches the other snow

[urban patrol]

i think i remember there being a key for this but let me check

[rigid musk]

I did this with Qi but not a vanilla npc

But this is what's done with Kent

his condition is y2

[ornate locust]

There's ways to do that like with Kent

[urban patrol]

UnlockConditions: (Optional) A game state query which indicates whether the NPC should be added to the world, checked when loading a save and when ending each day. This only affects whether the NPC is added when missing; returning false won't remove an NPC that's already been added. Defaults to true.

[rigid musk]

this is literally all i have for the arena maps btw... very many details much wow

[ornate locust]

my guy shows up roughly day 15, but I leave him in his room until then because the door isn't accessible until then

[versed wyvern]

Yeah I'm just worried if, for example, something will go screwy if you see Haley's 2-heart event without Emily unlocked, or if the game knows to not run it if Emily doesn't exist in the game

[ornate locust]

Well, I think in that case, the game... the event is written so they are both there, you'd want conditions in the event for that

[rigid musk]

this is what I have for Qi

[rigid musk]

this yeah

You essentially would have to go through and patch each event (and festival data if it includes an npc doing something) to check for whatever it is that you set the condition for the npc to

[versed wyvern]

Ah, now that I think about it I guess I have a cutscene that uses a dummy NPC who is set to not exist in the world just fine, so I would indeed have to patch every event

[rigid musk]

an example of what would happen is like, doing the ridgeside gathering festival without unlocking kiwi, it throws an error in the console cause it has kiwi doing a little flip (i only know this because i was testing qi in the gathering and just skipping to the day, which means i did not, in fact, have kiwi unlocked)

[rigid oriole]

Compat nightmare

[rigid musk]

so for emily you would have an error thrown in the console, for, say the luau where she's supposed to be dancing but she's not there or something like that

also yeah compat nightmares

[versed wyvern]

I guess I'll use such an unlock sparingly, then

[uncut viper]

i actually wouldnt be sure that would error

some might but others might just load a dummy

might be worth testing

if not, you can always put someones home in an unwarpable, unreachable void

[versed wyvern]

My hunch is that events will just have the NPC there even though they're technically not unlocked

[dusk mulch]

I got the background and belt functionality done... now for the packages...

[versed wyvern]

But yeah I guess I could just simulate being locked by exiling them to purgatory as long as they're not met

[uncut viper]

it seems like for things like festival setup, it'll just skip the NPC if they dont exist in the world yet

[latent mauve]

Ah, I think I might have figured out my issue with changing this furniture type... Fireplaces are required to be indoors only, aren't they?

[latent mauve]

Nope, nevermind, apparently my TextOperations just refused to ReplaceDelimted on the furniture entry to change Decor to fireplace.

When I changed the entire entry, it worked.

[foggy torrent]

Hey all! I couldn't find the jealous dialogues of npcs in my notepad++ did it get removed? o,o

thank youu

[vernal crest]

Do you mean SpouseGiftJealous, the one where your spouse gets jealous if you give a gift to an NPC of the same gender as them if you're dating that person (as long as it isn't the giftee's birthday)?

[foggy torrent]

yea!

I only have these o,o

[vernal crest]

The dialogue key for the vanilla NPCs is NPC.cs.3985 in the Strings/StringsFromCSFiles asset but if you wanted to write your own I think you can override that by just adding the SpouseGiftJealous key to their normal Characters/Dialogue/NPCNAME asset.

This is the code for it. I am pretty sure that it means that it will try to get the dialogue key SpouseGiftJealous first and if that's null it will then try to get Strings\\StringsFromCSFiles:NPC.cs.3985 to use instead. So as long as you give an NPC SpouseGiftJealous it will use that.

spouse.CurrentDialogue.Push(spouse.TryGetDialogue("SpouseGiftJealous", this.displayName, activeObj.DisplayName) ?? StardewValley.Dialogue.FromTranslation(spouse, "Strings\\StringsFromCSFiles:NPC.cs.3985", this.displayName));

[dusk mulch]

that feeling when your code works JUST the way you wanted it the first time

im so giddy

and now i have to make sure it follows everything else....

THEN i have to redo the sprites because they are too small and blurry...

😭

[mortal goblet]

hello everyone! I am a new modder, i want to add new ores and nodes to my mod, but i don't know how to change the mines to generate my nodes. Is there a way to do this?

[lucid iron]

Use item extensions

[mortal goblet]

Thank you!

[wanton pebble]

cracks knuckles alright, I have roughly 14 hours to figure out two bugs in C# code/in game

Let's get down to business

While I'm working on one - I know I asked this a while back but I don't know if I got something exact to look at. What lines of code/harmony patches/etc. would affect whether a spouse asks for adoption or natural birth?

[hallow prism]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/21986 as an example if you need one. There's a lot of things you can find info about in IE docs, but i find that having examples to figure out stuff is really helpful.

note that if you want to adds new ores, you also needs to add the items which will be simple CP.

[mortal goblet]

This is really useful for me. in fact, i can't make my mod without SVE source code. I will research the mod. Thank you for your answer!

[hallow prism]

i believe that you can make your mod without SVE source code unless you want your mod to be adding feature to SVE

my advice would be to make a very limited mod with just one item you want to add, learn the basic, move to the next step after that, it's already a good few first steps as starting can be overwhelming

there are plenty of mods adding items, search one that looks simple and straightforward

[mortal goblet]

I think you are right! I will follow this suggestion.

[crude plank]

@rancid musk it just hit me that Mastery Extended might need compat with Better Game Menu too

[lucid iron]

It's the question event

But i think this is controlled by chara data anyway no need to harmony

[wanton pebble]

See, I agree, but I have to figure out why always adopt is on when it's disabled in PPAF so I have to figure out what mod's doing it. I just figured out the breakage in being unable to gift spouses which was mostly my fault - in Polyamory there's a bug where bouquets won't swap spouses, but my fix to the code within the harmony patch in it never checked for bouquet, just spouse, so my fix to the bug broke the gifts. I'm presuming if none of the mods in question in configs cause it that there may be a bug in child code somewhere either in the Poly mod or elsewhere and I have to figure that out

I'll note down the question event

[lucid iron]

Since there's separate Adopt dialogue strings u can probably ctrl F for that

It could be that one of these mods skip prefix'd vanilla, do harmony_summary to find out

[rigid musk]

can I add random dialogue to events...?

The only other option is making 12 response options and i am NOT doing that for sure

(by random dialogue I mean something like {{i18n:tokenhere_{{random:1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12}}}}

[gentle rose]

oh god

[rigid musk]

it wont be like that, I'm thinking 5 response options with 4 of them having the three random options

[gentle rose]

not this again

avi has a working version with BETAS

[rigid musk]

Because if I choose only 4 bachelors/bachelorettes I feel like I will be exploded into a billion pieces

[gentle rose]

and I have a c# mod if you also want it to be templateable the way avi does

[rigid musk]

oh god

[gentle rose]

wait,,, you don’t need either one

[lucid iron]

Can't u just random i18n in event scripts

I don't think anything stops u?

[gentle rose]

you can just do {{i18n:{{random:tokenhere_1,…,tokenhere_12}} }} iirc

[lucid iron]

You can do it with translation keys too if u prefer

[rigid musk]

would it not be like this like how the other dialogue stuff does it

[lucid iron]

The random is the important part

[rigid musk]

That's how I did it with the (Frankly too much) amount of dialogue i made for other things

[gentle rose]

it might work? idk haha, I always forget what the issue actually was that meant we couldn’t do that lmao

[rigid musk]

"patio_AngelOfStars.Mrqifriendable_TheMrQi": "{{i18n:Aos.QiPatioDialogue_{{random:1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10}}|QiEndearmentTitle= {{QiEndearmentTitle}}}}", like this one ... and then in the default json the entry would be Aos.QiPatioDialogue_1 and so on for each one ...

[rigid musk]

I've seen it done before... I'm pretty sure you can

Do you still need mutli yield crops for that

[fathom hound]

Is that a framework mod?

[rigid musk]

it is

[fathom hound]

Ooooo

[rigid musk]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/6069

[fathom hound]

Thank you!

[rigid musk]

I'm not sure if CP has that built in or not but I know for sure you can do it with that

[fathom hound]

I’ll use that then for sure tysm

[lucid iron]

CP lets you drop extra items now

You can see this in cornucopia which has lotus root drop seed sometimes

[rigid musk]

I figured that was somethign that would be built in but I couldn't remember what would have done it off of the top of my head (I thought cornucopia but for which crop I didn't know)

[fathom hound]

Thank you so much!!!

[lyric ember]

Is there modding on mobile?

[vernal crest]

By modding do you mean using mods? Yes, but it's basically trial and error to find working ones. Also, this channel is for making mods so you might want to head to #modded-stardew if you want to talk about using mods :)

[lyric ember]

Ok

[rancid musk]

I think I looked at that already and cleared it, but I can check again.

[crude plank]

i think it changes some stuff to the mastery part of the skills page

[rigid musk]

This event I'm doing is going to send me straight to the afterlife

every single time I have to remember how to use advancedMove one million (1,000,000) of my cells die and that's not a lot in the grand scheme of things but I miss them

[vernal crest]

You should keep a template in your events file to remind you

[rigid musk]

You are very right, and I did have that in there before... and then I, very smartly, deleted it

because I was 'done with events'

I say making an event that has technically six different responses

(its not actually six since three of them lead back to eachother)

[rancid musk]

Yeah, but it doesn't need to touch GameMenu for that, if it's just harmony patching skills page

[crude plank]

Ok then i'll trust you i'm not sure what it's doing exactly

[rigid oriole]

(If ur really curious, GameMenu instantiates a SkillsPage instance, so if better game menu replaces GameMenu it can instantiate the same skills page and have those patched changes)

[crude plank]

thank you!

[hallow igloo]

very happy with the AI rules tbh

I do have a question, I've used an LLM to make my translation files but that's it as well. Does that also exclude me from potential mod author status?

[fathom hound]

Can I make crops not yield any quality when harvestin?

“HarvestMinQuality": 0, "HarvestMaxQuality": null

Does this mean it?

[lucid iron]

u need to put max quality to 0 too

[fathom hound]

Ahh thanks!

[vernal crest]

I think you will probably need to contact the junimos rather than asking generally in this channel since we're not any more qualified than you are to make a ruling on that lol

[rigid oriole]

I don't think it'd exclude you from ever getting the role but that mod may or may not be eligible

[lucid iron]

you can just use nomori's i18n-fier

if you actually made mtl for some reason then u may need to delete it?

[vernal crest]

Oh I was assuming they meant they translated their mod into other languages to offer them as well but reading the message again I'm not actually sure that was the intended meaning.

[fathom hound]

do you know where? i looked up lotus in data and cant find anything

[lucid iron]

looks like its spacecore actually