making-mods-general

[uncut viper]

i ended up going with something else anyway that did correctly mutex

[gentle rose]

looking at documentation "as you go" isn't the same as learning the fundamentals. Try to see if they have a tutorial going over the basics.

[uncut viper]

since a chest itemgrabmenu is actually not what i want

[dusk mulch]

That is what I am looking at.

https://docs.monogame.net/articles/getting_started/3_understanding_the_code.html

Annnd I figured out I did it wrong

ayyy i got the .exe working

now i have to make the textures...

kill me now...

wait no, thats future me's problem

[brave fable]

before you die, consider just making some dummy sprites

[dusk mulch]

good night

[dusk mulch]

oh yeah, good idea

[brave fable]

nothing needs to be final until it's released, after all

[crude plank]

And then there's always updates

[gentle rose]

for the kind of dummy sprites I use, if I wait for an update to swap them out I think it will be an issue

[charred cave]

hi

[gentle rose]

not sure what you mean ngl, but have you checked the content files/decompile?

[fathom hound]

Where do I check?

[gentle rose]

ngl I won’t know until I can figure out what you’re asking 😅

[fathom hound]

https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/alex-general-stardew-valley-2.jpg if talking to him like this gives the full +20 daily friendship

When he’s tossing grid ball

Special animations are only +10 and I’m not sure if it is or not

[gentle rose]

ohh, so you’re asking if this counts as a special animation

[fathom hound]

Yes pls!

[gentle rose]

hmm, I wonder how those are set, anyway I would assume it does but not sure

[fathom hound]

I kinda wish there was a way to see on wiki

I have 1 heart with him by spring 7, I’m not sure if I should reset or not (want y1 flower dance)

[brave fable]

you mean this line?
"Wed": "Looks like a good day to play catch, huh?$u#$e#$q 5/6 Wed_01_old#I'd ask you to throw the ball around, but you don't really seem like the sports type.^If you weren't a girl I'd ask you to play catch.#$r 6 0 Wed_01_02#I'm fine just watching you from a distance.#$r 5 15 Wed_01_01#I want to play catch with you!#$r 5 0 Wed_01_03#(angry) What's that supposed to mean?",

[gentle rose]

do you know any examples of known special animations for other NPCs?

[fathom hound]

I think that’s one time only right?

[fathom hound]

Yes, Haley using her camera

Sam using his cell phone

[brave fable]

i'll be honest i only see alex dialogue when i'm looking through his trash

[fathom hound]

It’s not so much dialogue as opposed to actual friendship gain from just talking

[gentle rose]

I would start for looking through the unpacked content files to see if the response when Haley uses the camera/Sam uses the phone has anything special in it

[brave fable]

are you quite sure you get bonus friendship from unique animation dialogues? both instances of grantConversationFriendship use the default value of 20

[gentle rose]

if not, it’s decompile hunting time

[gentle rose]

you get lower friendship iirc

[fathom hound]

Yes o: it’s always been like this

talking to them once per day (normally +20; otherwise +10 if the villager is in the middle of a special animation, like exercising or using a camera)

Wiki

Yeah sorry you get half, not more

[brave fable]

i've never heard of this mechanic in my life

[fathom hound]

LOL I speedrun romances so unfortunately I do it all the time

[brave fable]

i'm 6 years old for the purposes of stardew modding 👴

[fathom hound]

I think I’m gonna just count it as a special cause I’m not sure

I kinda fucked up then :/

[gentle rose]

wiki claims we should look at Farmer::changeFriendship

[brave fable]

only a couple of results for changeFriendship(10

[fathom hound]

Omg, may I please know them?? Would be really helpful for wiki, tysm for checking

[brave fable]

well one is for kissing your spouse, which is likely already documented. the other is in some resetFriendshipsForNewDay method that i've also never seen in my life

ah, that's the friendship decay method

[gentle rose]

blueberry is discovering a whole new world of hardcoding

[brave fable]

the second result appears to be +10 bonus friendship if you've given >= 2 gifts this week

[fathom hound]

Bro WHAT

[brave fable]

i'll be honest my brain stops working when i see the line date.TotalSundayWeeks != friendshipData[name].LastGiftDate?.TotalSundayWeeks

[fathom hound]

?!?! I never heard of or seen this

[brave fable]

it's in updateFriendshipGifts

public void updateFriendshipGifts(WorldDate date)
{
    foreach (string name in friendshipData.Keys)
    {
        if (date.TotalDays != friendshipData[name].LastGiftDate?.TotalDays)
        {
            friendshipData[name].GiftsToday = 0;
        }
        if (date.TotalSundayWeeks != friendshipData[name].LastGiftDate?.TotalSundayWeeks)
        {
            if (friendshipData[name].GiftsThisWeek >= 2)
            {
                changeFriendship(10, Game1.getCharacterFromName(name));
            }
            friendshipData[name].GiftsThisWeek = 0;
        }
    }
}

[gentle rose]

how much do you want to bet it’s either a call to this method or some crime with changeFriendship(-10)

[fathom hound]

I’m so lost ngl

[brave fable]

TotalSundayWeeks does that to a person

[fathom hound]

I don’t remember any of this in patch notes

[gentle rose]

oh I forgot how shit github search is, gonna have to check the local repo on my pc

[brave fable]

would it be in patch notes.... if it were there from the start 🌌

[fathom hound]

idk anything anymore

actually i knew nothing to begin w i just wanna dance with hot muscles man

[gentle rose]

are we sure the wiki is even right

I question everything with no code reference

[brave fable]

there's not many negative changeFriendship calls outside of bad gifts and bouquets, just slaughtering wildlife in the home and firing projectiles at them

[fathom hound]

well i remember this confirmed from an old pre 1.6 blade video

the special animation being +10

[brave fable]

honestly i'd believe blade over the game code

[gentle rose]

and the only use of the method I sent is for the baby npc

[fathom hound]

thats why im really confused

[brave fable]

well don't treat me as a source of truth either, i'm probably lying by omission. definitely more lines of code i haven't read than ones i have

[gentle rose]

blueberry, do you know where the friendship addition for daily dialogue is done, by any chance?

[fathom hound]

idk how to read code but i sure know what 10 and 20 look like

ive been looking at each tab just looking for these two lol

[brave fable]

pretty sure that's grantConversationFriendship

[gentle rose]

ty

[fathom hound]

i dont see anything with 10 in there

other than the +10 bonus if you didnt give 2 gifts???

[brave fable]

aww if you talk to an npc, they stay looking at you longer the more they like you

[fathom hound]

am i understanding that right

[fathom hound]

AWWWWWWWW

[brave fable]

as far as i can see yep, i wonder if it's to do with any of the endOfRouteAnimation variables

[fathom hound]

this is insane i feel like a caveman that just discovered fire

so wiki is wrong?

cause i checked every Friendship tab there is

[brave fable]

can the game decide whether to call it endOfRouteBehavior or endOfRouteAnimation or animationAtEndOfSchedule

[fathom hound]

dont see anything sticking out besides the updateFriendshipGifts

[gentle rose]

when does haley use her camera, anyway?

[brave fable]

when she's wandering in the forest by the river some days

[fathom hound]

in like the afternoons spring

i dont have mods but im tempted to get one just to track how much friendship i get lol

[brave fable]

mod author.. content smith... pixelsmith....

[fathom hound]

i cant play modded until i know every single line of vanilla code /j

[brave fable]

alright finally found it, haley uses her camera on spring_Mon at 1100~1630. the key is haley_photo just to make it take longer to find

[fathom hound]

thank you for helping me out

so its good that ive been gifting on fridays and saturdays if i get a +10 bonus apparently

[gentle rose]

alex's football animation isn't in the animationDescriptions file, which may imply it's not one of them?

[brave fable]

well if he throws the football up, it's going to be an extended sprite

[fathom hound]

even if it was though, it doesnt seem like it would matter?

and wiki might need updating?

[gentle rose]

until we know how it works, there's no way of knowing what matters

[fathom hound]

yeah true agreed

gonna hope i get lucky with gus and tc then..

[brave fable]

nevermind it's not extended

some mystery huh

[hard fern]

maybe its magic

[fathom hound]

this is actually crazy bc i figured it would be somewhere with Friendship

im like curious to know where BlaDe found the original 1.5 info and if theres a repo to compare

[brave fable]

excuse me "alex_football": "23/23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 16 16 16 17 18 19 19 20 21 22 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23/23",

[hard fern]

23

[fathom hound]

lol what the 💀

[gentle rose]

the conveniently named other file with the same name but in strings instead of data

duh, blueberry

[brave fable]

Decoy AnimationDescriptions

dare i say AnimationDistractions

[gentle rose]

I had to see SyntaxAbstractor::ExtractDialogueSyntax so now you do too

[brave fable]

definitely the most pathoschild code i've seen in the decompile

[gentle rose]

are we talking about the one that just takes a string or the override

because the override looks very CA to me

[fathom hound]

welp time to grind to see if i can dance with this dude

[brave fable]

i'd give you an answer on how much friendship you get from chatting with haley but i seem to have upgraded my game to crash when i walk out the door

[fathom hound]

Whaaaaat?!

[crude plank]

You got the reddit upgrade, never go outside

[craggy cape]

ay chat, im updating a mod that used c# code. the better shop menu mods unofficial update fix.
im just wondering how to fix the draw code to get the correct textures rather than using the parentsheet.

i also wanna convert the c# to CP so

[iron ridge]

you wouldn't be able to convert that mod ro content patcher

[craggy cape]

ah fair

maybe one day itll be possible /hj

[gentle rose]

if Haley could actually use her camera that would be fab

[fathom hound]

12:20 pm

[craggy cape]

but yea if anyone knows what snippet to replace parentsheetindex so this doesnt occur thatd be appreciated

[gentle rose]

it's way later than that

[fathom hound]

Oh I was only looking at her Monday spring schedule sorry

[gentle rose]

it is monday

[iron ridge]

what's the issue with the grape there

that looks like the correct texture

[fathom hound]

Actually it’s 12:20 on Mondays in fall too

[craggy cape]

look at the others 😭

[fathom hound]

That’s weird. Wiki shows 12:20 Mondays

[craggy cape]

the textures for the couch for example is defaulted to 999x jade nodes when it should be coal

so it the grape, it just got covered

[crude plank]

The jade nodes

[iron ridge]

oh

[craggy cape]

chu mentioned it has to do with the parent index line

since its using that for draw

[brave fable]

i hate to be the one to say it but haley only has one schedule entry for haley_photo and it's spring_Mon

[fathom hound]

Interesting, her wiki schedule is out of date then

I see Mondays fall taking pics by river too

[gentle rose]

I’m going to let a spring monday run with no cheats or time skips to see if that makes her animation actually happen

[brave fable]

ooh i think the fall one is true actually, i'm just dumb

"fall_Mon": "GOTO spring_Mon"

[fathom hound]

Gotcha gotcha

Also never dumbb

[brave fable]

sorry it's midnight haha

[fathom hound]

Me dumb

[brave fable]

asleep at the wheel

[fathom hound]

I hope not literally /j /ikyou’reatyourPC

[craggy cape]

could replacing parentsheetindex with texture2d work maybee .ᐣ

[brave fable]

so after removing my very good broken mods i got a save file going:

• introduce to haley on day 1 (spring_mon + haley_photo) +20pts
• sleep
• talk to haley on day 2 +20pts
• sleep until day 8 -10pts
• talk to haley on day 8 (spring_mon + haley_photo) +20pts
  final score: 50pts

[craggy cape]

it might break alot though but worth the test

[iron ridge]

no

you'd have to rewrite the cropdata parser for the new system, I assume

[brave fable]

simply tested with Console Code in the smapi terminal at random times cs return Game1.player.friendshipData[`Haley`].points;

[craggy cape]

well we shall find out

[brave fable]

so just based on that i'd say you get no friendship bonuses for first introductions, no friendship maluses for talking during unique animations, and some amount of decay over time that happens to put -10pts ahead of the next time i talked to her

[craggy cape]

i mean theres no red text in smapi so thats a good sign so far

but again it is a c# mod im fixing up so ..

[gentle rose]

@fathom hound I also independently tested it myself and it was 20 points

the wiki is indeed incorrect

[fathom hound]

Wow

I wonder when this happened??? Cause surely BlaDe wouldn’t overlook this

[brave fable]

so where on the wiki is this mystery 10 instead of 20 written

[gentle rose]

the main page for [[Friendship]]

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Friendship

[fathom hound]

Do you know where the +10 hidden friendship mechanic from the gift applies??

[gentle rose]

near the top

[craggy cape]

it did NOt work lmao, nothing changed in the menu

hmm

[gentle rose]

updated the wiki to remove the mistake

[brave fable]

looks like it goes way back

[gentle rose]

so at any point between the two, it got removed lmao

and nobody ever noticed

anyay I added a code reference which usually protects my edits from being rolled back

[brave fable]

current phrasing added here: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Friendship&oldid=37809
before that it was +20, then changed to +10 only, then +10 to 20

[reef kiln]

Did you test it with Shane at work? Just to verify it is not just Haley. Not that I see that being likely.

[gentle rose]

we checked the source code and saw that there's literally no code that adds +10

[brave fable]

witness me. +20

[gentle rose]

so unless shane at work uses ritual magic instead of c#, I'd imagine it's the same

and THIS is why console code is the best mod

[brave fable]

in future i plan on loading and running all my mods through console code. a fine mod

[gentle rose]

also @rigid oriole did you give the console commands page a makeover? that's amazing tysm

[brave fable]

right here: #making-mods-general message
looks like the wiki already has the details:

• giving the maximum two gifts in one week (+10, awarded on the next Sunday)

[fathom hound]

OHHH I see so gifting 2 gifts by the end of the week is a bonus +10?

[fathom hound]

BRO WHAT

THE AMOUNT OF TIMES I STRESSED MYSELF OUT TALKING TO NPC’S BECAUSE THEY WERE IN DIFF ANIMATION even in 1.5 lolol (sorry meant to turn off ping reply)

[brave fable]

funny thing is the original change was made because Pierre apparently only gave them +10 friendship.
pierre doesn't even have a unique animation

[fathom hound]

LOL

Thanks for updating the wiki btw!

and for the mystery solving

[gentle rose]

maybe Pierre is just a Hater™️

[stone crypt]

Hey guys, I wanted to ask a question: Similar to the "!twocake, !twocakes" concept, how can you avoid stressing for creating a concept that might be disproven/outdated by the canon game in the future?

[lucid iron]

Slap that AU tag on ur fanfiction

[hard fern]

You really can't avoid it, so there's no point worrying because, well if it happens, it happens. (my motto for everything)

[stone crypt]

tvtropes calls it "Oudated By Canon": https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OutdatedByCanon

[brittle pasture]

fanfics for ongoing shows get disproved all the time. some of them gets invalidated while they're themselves ongoing
it just happens™️

though tbh I dont think SDV is going to get a massive story expansion update

[hard fern]

Fanfics for games become disproved by non-canon spinoffs that contain canon information XD (and sometimes the fandom just doesn't care)

[lucid iron]

What is the particular lore thing you are worried about

[stone crypt]

For starters Haley in mods like SVE, and Events expansion is shown as being depressed because of her parents' absence and consequently my mod followed on this. 1.6 added a line for her in which she hints that she's not as hung-over

This made me change how the final event of my mod would play, and I attempted to reconcile both ideas

[lucid iron]

Just market your mod as sad haley

But yeah you just gotta remember you be writing fanfic and sometimes canon kicks you into AU zone even if you didn't mean it

[stone crypt]

Yep, that's something in everyone who makes mods and/or fanfics has on their minds

[tiny zealot]

getting into "draw the rest of the owl" territory, but the way to avoid being stressed about contradicting canon is to not let it bother you /lh

(i am terrible at this btw, i spent some of the run-up to 1.6 worrying that there would be hat mouse content that i would "have to" deal with. there was none)

[stone crypt]

I also included Haley amd Emily's parents in my mod

Funnily enough I'm not as stressed for that being disproven, as there's literally nothing on them

so you can't blame me for having to create my versions of them

[rigid oriole]

19 new ones! I think someone else deleted some no longer existing ones at the same time

I wish I could diff it easily to see what they removed but alas

Wait I can

[vernal crest]

Yeah you can lol (this was to Barley)

I figure I'll deal with the canon mismatch if it happens. I can't be sure I'd want to abide by the canon approach anyway (see, me pretending the Disney Star Wars doesn't exist) so I'm not going to stress myself out trying to predict things.

[inner harbor]

Ive always worried that CA would make M. Jasper canonically dead.

Or imply the special notes pertaining to him were 100 years old or something.

[rigid oriole]

100 year old paper buried in the dirt in readable condition would be crazy

[inner harbor]

Haha yeh

[vernal crest]

That could still be finagled with some serious identity confusion storyline though lol

[lucid iron]

Actually M. Jasper is my grandpa

[vernal crest]

Like Jasper thinking that (Jasper spoilers) ||his rival has purposefully spread rumours of his death|| or something

[hard fern]

necromancy

[brittle ledge]

or that it's his grandpa and he's Jasper the third

I think you can only care so much about canon, especially about things that haven't happened.

Worrying about changes that might be made to canon is borrowing trouble, as they say

Adapt to the stuff you like, ignore the stuff you don't.

[lucid iron]

@glacial minnow re silo collision thing it should be just

 {
      "Action": "EditData",
      "Target": "Data/Buildings",
      "Fields": {
        "Silo": {
            "CollisionMap": "XOXXOXXOX"
        }
    }
}

Or XOXOOOXOX for a + shape

[crude plank]

This is what you want i think

[glacial minnow]

That looks very straightforward for someone that knows what to do with this information.

[crude plank]

If you don't want to make a content.json literally open the content.json of another mod and slap it inside the "Changes"

[glacial minnow]

Ill do my very best!

[crude plank]

If your very best doesn't work just ping me in like 7 hours lol

[vernal crest]

@worn spear Here are a couple of guides to making a Content Patcher mod, in case you have missed them https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide.md
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Content_Patcher

[glacial minnow]

Thanks a lot for this though. Both of you!

I did this, and got this red text.

Also same text, just from CP a bit under it.

[vernal crest]

You need to put a comma after the closing curly brace } that's on the line below the "FromFile": "assets/emojibobbers.png" line

[crude plank]

Yay good job Elin!

[glacial minnow]

It works!! it f. ing works! I'm so unreasonably happy with this little change its silly.

[vernal crest]

We're gonna get you with the modmaking bug now

[crude plank]

All it takes is just that one small thing that bothers you

[lucid iron]

Did you check if u can still open the silo

I suppose it's not that important bc interior hoppers but still

[undone hawk]

Hey y'all

Random question

If you wanted to display the following using Stardew assets: 1-3

What would you use for the dash?

I can find numbers in the various base asset images, but no dashes

[vernal crest]

There is both a hyphen and an em dash in Stardew fonts

[undone hawk]

Oh really! I must've missed it I'm blind as a bat

I look

[vernal crest]

Are you actually taking the image from the Stardew font files to put it into another image file?

[undone hawk]

It's for a StardewUI thing

A pond item has a min and max item production

[lucid iron]

Ah is it for use with tinydigit

[undone hawk]

So I wanted to overlay it with 1-4

To show the chance to give between 1 and 4 items

[lucid iron]

Maybe u can slice something from the digits themselves

[undone hawk]

Huh

[vernal crest]

What font file do you have to pull from for it?

[undone hawk]

I wasn't pulling from font, but from cursor

These to be exact

[vernal crest]

Oh I see

Well the hyphen and em dash are in fonts

So I guess that doesn't help you if you're only using Cursors

[undone hawk]

I could use fonts but I don't think it would match the numbers I'm using

[lucid iron]

Hmm use the 9 maybe

The bottom part

[undone hawk]

I was thinking the 9

[vernal crest]

Hey chu I never realised before that you're in the game

[lucid iron]

It's me

[brittle pasture]

are there mods that reshape tiny digits that we have to worry about
probably not (no pixels to work with in the first place)

[crude plank]

Lol where is that from

[vernal crest]

Cursors of course

[brittle pasture]

it's one of the graffitis on the trains

[crude plank]

Ohhhh

[lucid iron]

Yeah honestly just use the world's smallest 9 slice

[undone hawk]

Or mb the bottom of the 1?

Like this?

[vernal crest]

How do you give it the top black pixels?

Can you pull them from the bottom and add them to the top?

[undone hawk]

I think so!

[lucid iron]

I just don't think this is really worth rendering 2 image for

[undone hawk]

But the 9 has the white dot

It'd have it in the corner, no?

[lucid iron]

Yeah that's what i am saying

[hot gale]

This is such an odd conversation to join at this juncture

[lucid iron]

Bc it is pain to try and reuse

I would just make own asset

[undone hawk]

But I wanted it to be compatible with recolors :C

[lucid iron]

Or draw a black frame with this and white staminarect image inside

I have seen zero recolors that touch tiny digit

[tiny zealot]

sample the two pixel values (black and white) and create a texture with the pixels you want using those colors /hj

[lucid iron]

Yeah also viable if u r really bothered

[tiny zealot]

at a certain point you can't be automatically compatible with recolors/retextures, because you never know how people are going to stomp all over the vanilla assets. just do your best without breaking your back and move on, i say

[tiny zealot]

(i say as i punch more values into my recolor compat dingus in order to add some recolor support for one(1) asset in my NPC mod)

[undone hawk]

Good Enough

[lucid iron]

A fun thing i experimented with for livestock bazaar is to expose bg to content

This is because vanilla shop already does that so i just use same data model

Vanilla doesn't know what a 9 slice is ofc, have to make that up

[vernal crest]

My only beef with i18n is that it makes it hard to read events

[lucid iron]

Aba u can use translation keys in events no?

[hard fern]

Yeah u can

[vernal crest]

I meant when I'm snooping in other mods' files lol

Because I'm reading the event instead of playing it in game

Have to go find the dialogue in the i18n and then go back and forth between the files to read it

[lucid iron]

Oh maybe u could patch export then

[vernal crest]

Ooh good thought

Thank you, that works excellently. Good thing I came to grump about it!

Can't believe I am such a fanboy for patch export but I didn't even consider it 😞

[hot gale]

Hmm wondering why my schedule isnt seemingly loading/working

https://smapi.io/json/none/b40affd790ee417aa7b77f9d7d5d4e78

Is this a valid Schedule?

I'm loading it with

        {
            "LogName": "Delphy Schedule",
            "Action": "Load",
            "Target": "Characters/schedules/Delphy",
            "FromFile": "assets/delly/schedule.json"
        }

I just want the NPC to walk around and wander, basically

[urban patrol]

i think the standard way is to do an include, not a load? i’m not sure a load would work

[hot gale]

Ooh I'll try that, thanks :D

[urban patrol]

oh wait i misread, hang on

[hot gale]

No worries

[urban patrol]

you include it from your content.json, and then you EditData, not load

[hot gale]

I still load from file though, right?

[urban patrol]

no, because a load would override all other schedules and replace it with just yours

[hot gale]

No I know I don't use load, I meant I still use FromFile and point to my schedule file I assumed

        {
            "LogName": "Delphy Schedule",
            "Action": "EditData",
            "Target": "Characters/schedules/Delphy",
            "FromFile": "assets/delly/schedule.json"
        }

Other things that use EditData seem to also include an Entries array

Ahh

I see

[urban patrol]

let me pull mine up real quick so i can make absolutely sure i’m giving you correct information

[hot gale]

You are right

I just downloaded an NPC to see how they did it

It does in fact include entries

[urban patrol]

oh awesome

yeah the include “loads” it for you!

aka tells it where to look for the file

[woeful iron]

Okay, so I've forked a mod on github and got it to load seemingly successfully.... how do I actually go about finding the NPC it added, given the source code? Content patcher.

[brittle pasture]

find where it edits Data/Characters probably

[woeful iron]

Hah, the developer is on this server. I wont tag them.

Edits to Data/Characters, not Locations?

[hot gale]

Locations would be set by their schedule

Typically in CP NPC mods they are just schedule.json

[woeful iron]

Okay, there's a schedule.json

[brittle pasture]

[[Modding:NPC_data]]

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:NPC_data

[brittle pasture]

this adds the NPC to the game in the first place

schedules, dialogue and events are in different targets

[woeful iron]

Ah, spawn rules

Home/Location?

[brittle pasture]

what are you trying to do?

[woeful iron]

Just trying to find the NPC so I can look at it

test changes, etc.

make sure it's working

[vernal crest]

Loading a schedule does work. The reason that people tend to load a blank file first and then edit the asset with the actual schedule is because you can't use tokens in loaded files.

[woeful iron]

So I'm editing an existing mod

https://github.com/Aviroen/Custom-NPC-Edelweiss

I have it loaded etc. there were issues with image assets, but I found them

[latent mauve]

If you are editing an existing mod, I would avoid loading, since it's an existing asset

[brittle pasture]

NPC has lots of moving parts scattered across different files, so it will also help if you know what you want to edit

[latent mauve]

EditData is your friend if the file exists already

[urban patrol]

oh good to know! thank you!

[woeful iron]

Okay, I see X/Y coordinates in various places. Is that global?

[vernal crest]

She is not, she is using Edelweiss as her "own" mod to learn.

[woeful iron]

Like the coordinate map

[latent mauve]

Ah, gotcha

[hot gale]

The format is MapName X Y

[urban patrol]

look at Edelweiss.json for basic information like gift tastes birthday etc

[woeful iron]

./data/Edelweiss.json:                        "MapAsset": "{{ModId}}_EdelweissSpouseRoom", //null for vanilla, set to loaded filename for custom npc
./data/Edelweiss.json:                        "MapAsset": "{{ModId}}_EdelweissPatio", //null for vanilla, set to loaded filename for custom npc

[latent mauve]

Guessing you already ran the !npc command so they could pull up the tutorial alongside it to recognize what they are looking at?

[woeful iron]

Okay, so that's referencing a map defined elsewhere?

@latent mauve I did not know about this

[latent mauve]

!npc

[ocean sail]

Creating a Custom NPC

Keep in mind that making NPCs is a complex process that requires learning many different aspects of Stardew modding.
Here are a few links that can help get you started on all that you need to know:

• Tiakall has a great tutorial on making a custom NPC for 1.6.

• NPCs no longer use dispositions, check the wiki page for the new NPC data.

• Aviroen has put together a template that will allow you to easily create a romanceable NPC.

• Feel free to jump into the https://discord.com/channels/137344473976799233/1277457201077813280 thread for more interactive feedback and help!

• Fireredlily has a WIP NPC Builder Please do report any errors you get with it into the NPC thread!

To use this command, type !npc.

[woeful iron]

Oh yes, I've read through that

I thought you meant in the game

[vernal crest]

If you want to switch to the EditData approach for schedule, you will need to load a blank json first and then have an EditData patch to add your actual schedule. You don't need an Include if you don't want one - they are just for organising files so you don't have a gigantic content.json. (And I guess now we have local tokens there's templating stuff too but ignore that right now lol)

[latent mauve]

I figured that's usually the first thing folks pull up

[vernal crest]

This help for Autumn is feeling like a too many cooks situation lol

[latent mauve]

I'm gonna step back

[woeful iron]

@latent mauve I started off in the wrong place, so I appreciate it

[latent mauve]

(Apologies for overcrowding the room, just came to escape the insanity that is my microwave suddenly dying)

[hot gale]

I see, so this would require first loading a blank schedule.json?

        {
            "LogName": "Delphy Schedule",
            "Action": "EditData",
            "Target": "Characters/schedules/Delphy",
            "Entries": {
                "Mon": "0610 Meadery 20 19 2 square_8_8/a1000 Meadery 49 7 2 square_8_8/a1000 Meadery 14 21 2 square_8_8",
                "Tue": "GOTO Mon",
                "Wed": "GOTO Mon",
                "Thu": "GOTO Mon",
                "Fri": "GOTO Mon"
            }
        }

[woeful iron]

No need to apologize! I really really appreciated all the help here

[vernal crest]

Yup, you can't edit a Target that doesn't exist. Also you need a spring schedule. spring is mandatory or you break everything.

[hot gale]

I see!

[vernal crest]

My comment wasn't pointed at you! I just noticed that there were many different assumptions being made about what she was asking lol

[hot gale]

Would my blank schedule file just be

[woeful iron]

That's likely my fault. The primary thing I am trying to accomplish at this moment is to find this darn NPC within the game.

[hot gale]

{

}

[woeful iron]

And I'm trying to understand the code enough to determine that for myself

Does that clarify?

[hot gale]

NPCs are annoyingly fragmented as mentioned before

[woeful iron]

Yes, I think I was sufficiently answered for now

[vernal crest]

If you mean put eyes on the actual NPC sprite, you can use debug where edelweiss in the SMAPI console (provided you kept the internal name the same) and it will tell you where they are

[woeful iron]

My outsanding question is whether the coordinate system when I see coordinates is referring to a universal grid or is relative to the context

[woeful iron]

Yes, exactly, THANK YOU

[hot gale]

Just for my own sanity, does this look accurate?

        {
            "LogName": "Delphy Schedule",
            "Action": "Load",
            "Target": "Characters/schedules/Delphy",
            "FromFile": "assets/delly/schedule.json"
        },
        {
            "LogName": "Delphy Schedule",
            "Action": "EditData",
            "Target": "Characters/schedules/Delphy",
            "Entries": {
                "Spring": "0610 Meadery 20 19 2 square_8_8/a1000 Meadery 49 7 2 square_8_8/a1000 Meadery 14 21 2 square_8_8",
                "Mon": "GOTO Spring",
                "Tue": "GOTO Spring",
                "Wed": "GOTO Spring",
                "Thu": "GOTO Spring",
                "Fri": "GOTO Spring"
            }
        }

[deep cypress]

I wish I had thought to ask Pathos at the very start of the Alpha, for a player stat called Charisma, where it affects how much your friendship goes up and down...

[vernal crest]

It will almost always be tile coordinate for the current map, but it could sometimes be pixel coordinates for a spritesheet image. If you ask about a specific usage we can be more specific in the answer.

[hot gale]

Looking at the Github repo you posted

I dont see any NPC Sprite asset

[woeful iron]

That was perfect, thank you

[deep cypress]

Is square 8 8 a animation?

[woeful iron]

They were deleted, but I reverted the delete

so I could get it to load

not sure why they were deleted

[hot gale]

I followed this

[vernal crest]

Is your "assets/delly/schedule.json" the blank json? If so, you might want to rename it to blank.json so you know you can use it for a) assets that aren't the schedule and b) for other NPCs.

[urban patrol]

realizing i misunderstood your question and contributed to the confusion, sorry! i’m very glad we have more knowledgeable people in here lol

[hot gale]

Yes it's blank, ill change the filename

[hot gale]

Gotcha

I can call to that same blank for each NPC?

[woeful iron]

https://github.com/axolotl-logic/axolotl-valley

Here is my specific fork

which has the delete commits reverted

I'll throw a disclaimer on there and citation soon

[hard fern]

so long as you have one blank you can use it for eveeyhing im p sure

[vernal crest]

Yes because it's just blank.

It has nothing specific to one NPC or one use.

[hot gale]

Awesome

Thats handy

[woeful iron]

Okay, pushed a remaining diference which was me deleting spacecore

[vernal crest]

Just to be fully clear by the way, the point of this is to enable the use of tokens in your data.

[hot gale]

        {
            "LogName": "Delphy Schedule",
            "Action": "Load",
            "Target": "Characters/schedules/Delphy",
            "FromFile": "Data/blank.json"
        },
        {
            "LogName": "Delphy Schedule",
            "Action": "EditData",
            "Target": "Characters/schedules/Delphy",
            "Entries": {
                "Spring": "0610 Meadery 20 19 2 square_8_8/a1000 Meadery 49 7 2 square_8_8/a1000 Meadery 14 21 2 square_8_8",
                "Mon": "GOTO Spring",
                "Tue": "GOTO Spring",
                "Wed": "GOTO Spring",
                "Thu": "GOTO Spring",
                "Fri": "GOTO Spring"
            }
        }

Ah well, whatever works lol

[vernal crest]

Which is useful because you should be giving your NPC a unique name i.e., using your mod ID as a prefix. And there's a token for that ^_^

Man, Edelweiss is a complex template for a beginner

Do not recommend

As much as I love Avi

[hard fern]

wait really

[vernal crest]

Avi's one of the queens of doing super complicated stuff with CP so even her "basic" template is a lot of extra concepts for someone to pick up on top of the minimum needed to have a working NPC

[hard fern]

i didnt even notice...

[hot gale]

My NPC will not move 😭

I dont have to do anything to the disposition for schedule stuff do I

[rugged reef]

Is there a list of every character's name, mainly so I can use "getCharacterFromName" to find all the people, since I tried Morris and got a null, so wondering if the in code name is different or smth

[vernal crest]

Did you start a new save to test or load an existing one? If the latter, you need to sleep because schedules are set before the save file loads in.

[hot gale]

O m g

[hard fern]

er, for vanilla?

[rugged reef]

ye

[hot gale]

It prolly worked fine all this time

[hard fern]

they're just their names

[hot gale]

lmfao irl

Morris is unique isnt it

[hard fern]

is morris even an npc

i forget

[hot gale]

I recall reading here he is like the only one named differently

[rugged reef]

listed as "non-giftable npc"

[vernal crest]

All of my comments regarding the complexity of the Edelweiss template were for you by the way lol

[brittle pasture]

Game1.characterData is a dict of NPC ids to their data
you can iterate over its keys

[rugged reef]

so I didn't know if I could do normal shenaniganry

[hot gale]

New day, old save, still not walking 😭

[brittle pasture]

But do you have SVE?

SVE yeets the vanilla morris

[rugged reef]

I'm completely base game

[vernal crest]

He is not. His internal and display name are both "Morris".

[hard fern]

o... hm

[brittle pasture]

hmm, is this also after CC

he's gone after CC

Otherwise "Morris" should just work

[vernal crest]

What's the data/characters entry look like?

[rugged reef]

I'm on a fresh save, literally still have the starting seed package since it doesn't matter for my mod

[urban patrol]

i’m not sure this is even an issue, but try having the first key in your schedule not having that wander animation? you can have it 10 minutes later but i know first keys are weird sometimes

[gentle rose]

can you try a new save?

[rugged reef]

Was just wondering if morris was a special case tbh

[hot gale]

https://smapi.io/json/none/90242fda3fa54e9883af2f44c4ff6721

[hot gale]

Ill try this

[rugged reef]

since there are a number of "special" npc's that I was wondering if I could grab

[hot gale]

This too

[vernal crest]

Where is the rest of it?

[rugged reef]

I'm not too fussed if morris is unique and can't be fucked with, I just wanted to make sure I had as big a list as possible for normal purposes

[hot gale]

Rest of it? 🤣

[vernal crest]

The action, target, etc?

The stuff that tells CP to actually put this stuff in the game

[hot gale]

Ah, Im inserting multiple NPCs so I just took her snippet

The rest is there

[vernal crest]

Ok cool

[woeful iron]

Caught that, thank you

[vernal crest]

Have you done the gift tastes?

[hot gale]

I have not, I was trying to get them to do something other than breathe first - is that required?

[urban patrol]

yep majorly

[hot gale]

Well dukes

[woeful iron]

Okay, gonna walk away for a bit. Tag me if I missed anything outstanding directed me!

[urban patrol]

what used to be called disposition is required

[hot gale]

Ah I thought the char data I linked was the disposition

[vernal crest]

Are you looking at the official wiki's NPC page and also at Tia's excellent custom NPC tutorial on the modding wiki? If not, I recommend doing so. I'd also recommend downloading Jorts and Jean The Helper Cats as they are a good example of a much more simple NPC with fewer wild token adventures.

[vernal crest]

It is, I am not quite sure what nic means.

[hot gale]

So what all is required for an NPC? Gift tastes, schedule, do I NEED a dialogue?

[woeful iron]

Honestly, I'm bouncing around

[vernal crest]

The problem is that NPCs have a minimum viable threshold in terms of different parts being present before they will work.

[woeful iron]

I'm definitely learning

[inner harbor]

I should update and upload my blank template at some point.

[vernal crest]

Yes, I would add at least one line of dialogue just to be safe. I know an NPC can exist without dialogue but I don't remember testing if they adhere to a schedule without it.

[urban patrol]

i thought that gift tastes used to be part of “disposition” but disposition was no longer what it was called. i should probably step back if i’m making this more confusing, sorry!

[woeful iron]

Downloading Jorts and Jean now

[urban patrol]

i just remember when i was looking at this stuff there was a lot of reference to disposition

[hot gale]

Yeah I have some shopkeepers that exist strictly on the disposition but I dont really need them to do anything else at leaast yet

Thanks for the help

[vernal crest]

No, gift tastes were separate from disposition back then too.

[inner harbor]

Wow Edelweiss really is complicated! Love the level of detail 🙂

[vernal crest]

I think it'd be great if we had templates for varying levels of complexity so that people could see some of the really cool stuff that's possible but could also see the minimum requirement for a vanilla-esque NPC.

[hot gale]

Wish I knew of templates when I started making mine tbh lmao

[vernal crest]

I just dissected Jorts and Jean

Wow that sounds terrible

No cats were harmed in the making of my mod!!!!

[hot gale]

I looked at how Norville was structured in Lost in the Woods, a lot of that code is real old I think lol

[vernal crest]

When it comes to Stardew an existing CP mod basically is a template, just not a blank one lol

[hot gale]

Right

[inner harbor]

In terms of complexity, it's sometimes best to figure that out alone. You dont want to go in feeling obliged to make 28 lines of rainy day dialogue or what not. But its fun to make NPCs that are a little "extra".

[vernal crest]

I like to look at the more complex ones to give me that jolt of "oh yes of course that's possible, neat!"

Take advantage of other people's brains working differently to mine and all

[inner harbor]

Back when i started no one knew how to set time to pass between two events happening. Which turned put to be super easy.

[hot gale]

I like to see all that's possible so the more complex the better imo if we're talking templates

[inner harbor]

Goodness, im starting to feel a little motivated.

[vernal crest]

In that case definitely study Edelweiss lol

[inner harbor]

Gonna try and write an event today.

[vernal crest]

You can do it!!!

[hot gale]

Im gonna fork it :D

Actually gonna fork Autumn's lol

[vernal crest]

I was planning to try to work some more on Hiria's 8 heart event tomorrow

That plan did not include staying awake past 5am however so...we will see

[urban patrol]

heart events my beloathed… i’ve just got one left but i’ve been putting it off for a week

[hot gale]

Gift Tastes are complex

[vernal crest]

They are so teeeeedious

Gift tastes can be complex but their minimum requirement is not complex

[urban patrol]

the item list is your best friend—i think someone linked it in here yesterday?

[vernal crest]

Just copy a vanilla entry and change the entry key

[hot gale]

I have the item list, ty though :D

Ah vanilla entry, duh

If I can find them lol

Found it rofl

Okay, time to test again, wish me luck 😭

SHES MOVING

Now to work on dialogue

[latent mauve]

I was thinking of tweaking/adding sheets to my NPC Builder that separate out the nonsocial, social, and romance requirements, so I'll look into that this weekend 🙂

I might just split off three separate sheets

[vernal crest]

That's a great idea. I've thought about trying to add something to the official wiki about which parts are required to get a walking, talking NPC but I'm not exactly sure what those bits actually are precisely (e.g., I know that an antisocial NPC doesn't need gift tastes for a working schedule but they do for location dialogue and CTs etc - but I don't know all of those nuances for each type) and I'm not brave enough go to spelunking in the code to figure it out lol

[cedar turtle]

Stop the trolling

Stop making inappropriate suggestions then

Not here in this server

[latent mauve]

If this is a legitimate idea then:

• don't pair it with a meme/trolly image
• provide context
• actually provide details (assuming it doesn't fall afoul of the restricted topics in the server, in which case, don't voice the idea at all)

[cedar turtle]

Now please read our rules again

And start following them

[vernal crest]

And listen most to the lime green people because they're the server moderators

[meager marten]

Is there some recommended tutorials for making translation mods? Wanting to make a Gaeilge translation of the game + common expansion mods

[latent mauve]

Is it a mod that has i18n setup already?

[lucid iron]

So you need a custom language

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Custom_languages

You can take a look at some other existing custom language mods

[meager marten]

Yeah I saw a gaedhlig one (or rather, was linked it by someone thinking it was a gaeilge one) which prompted this

[meager marten]

They do mod frameworks? Recognise the name but can't remember

[lucid iron]

Yep once u have custom language then it's regular ol i18n thing

i18n is a system built into smapi

[hot gale]

What makes an NPC 'clickable' to talk to exactly? I have dialogue entries now but I stil lcant talk to them?

[lucid iron]

Internationalization

[meager marten]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[lucid iron]

I would focus on making base game all nice and translated first, before dealing with mods

It's a lot of work

[meager marten]

Oh yeah base game first

[latent mauve]

Are they set as CanSocialize?

[hot gale]

Ohhh, perhaps not!

yes, they are

[vernal crest]

Means something's wrong. Try a patch export of your dialogue to make sure it's in game properly.

[latent mauve]

Also check your SMAPI log to see if there's an error parsing your dialogue file!

[hot gale]

No errors thrown in the cmd, I think I see the issue actually maybe

[meager marten]

I'm not fully fluent as well so I'll be learning some tenses alongside learning how to mod for the first time 😭

[hot gale]

AH got it working :D

[gentle rose]

!modideas

[ocean sail]

If you have a mod idea that you aren't planning to make yourself, you can put it in the mod ideas github: https://github.com/StardewModders/mod-ideas

However, this does not mean anyone is guaranteed to work on your idea—modders who are looking for ideas sometimes go through and work on what they find interesting off this list. If you want to pay someone to make your mod idea, there are a few people who do commissions (mostly art, sometimes code); you can ask around, search usernames for the word comms, or see !commissions.

To use this command, type !modideas.

[vernal crest]

I think I'm reporting you to the moderators because you've been told twice that this isn't okay

[lucid iron]

I think deleting a whole vanilla npc is big pain but you do you

[gentle rose]

they won’t be the first one to do it

[uncut viper]

If it's for your own mod idea though this place is fine

[gentle rose]

still can’t believe that one mod just set seb’s data to null

[lucid iron]

But yeah if u have actual need for event script help or whatever posting here is fine

[uncut viper]

(that was in response to iro. I didn't see aba's message and I have no prior context)

[gentle rose]

I also saw you were offering money for it, and if you were serious that would make it a commission

[gentle rose]

(prior context, they were asking someone to make a mod for them earlier haha)

[vernal crest]

You did know. Apple Lassa told you twice to read the rules and that it wasn't okay.

[uncut viper]

then I rescind my comment

[lucid iron]

Say anyone know how rain drawing works

[brittle pasture]

khloe probably

[lucid iron]

Why is rain splashing over my background

[hard fern]

background?

(hi apple lasaa)

[cedar turtle]

I told you already not to discuss inappropriate content.

[gentle rose]

ngl I’m guessing the inappropriate part is either the human sacrifice part(?) or the fact it sounded like trolling, but apple would have to clarify— yup

[cedar turtle]

hi forsy

[hard fern]

Forsty...

[lucid iron]

Yea like

[cedar turtle]

It is not. Now stop arguing

[hard fern]

Am i a snowman

[lucid iron]

In places of map without tiles

The rain drop still see to hit something

[cedar turtle]

Isn't that Frosty

[uncut viper]

(i apologize for missing the bad bits in the message too orz)

[lucid iron]

Instead of falling into the void

[hard fern]

Hmm i think, the rain ... Does things

[uncut viper]

what does rain do in the vanilla summit chu

[lucid iron]

I never been there when it rains...

[hard fern]

Does it ever rain?

[uncut viper]

could check the island too

[lucid iron]

Yeah hm

[uncut viper]

I've never seen rain splashing on the background on the island

[candid stratus]

pressing this button doesnt do anything anymore..

[uncut viper]

But I may not be attentive enough

[lucid iron]

Same tbh

[queen void]

Hi is it possible to create translations for languages like arabic, persian etc. ?

[lucid iron]

I rarely ever look at the skybox tbh

[uncut viper]

it would be kinda funny if it's just always done that and I've never noticed

[vernal crest]

What's the button for?

[candid stratus]

for animating tiles, it used to open a screen to make the animation but now it doesnt do anything anymore

[lucid iron]

Why are your tiles transparent

[brittle pasture]

you can look into setting up a custom language
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Custom_languages

though I'm not sure if stardew supports RTL?

[candid stratus]

convenience, it's a 200 tile animation

[ornate locust]

jesus

[hot gale]

your hwat

[lucid iron]

You know i have a framework for this kinda

[queen void]

I don't really know i'm just curious because someone said that it doesn't persian font, But thanks for the help 🙏🏼

[brittle pasture]

you can add your own font

[lucid iron]

It is thing that let u spawn temp sprites on the map

[brittle pasture]

it is a ton of effort though I hear

[gentle rose]

as a fellow rtl language user, I feel like the odds that stardew can handle rtl fonts are close to zero

[hard fern]

Rtl?

[brittle pasture]

right to left

[gentle rose]

right-to-left

[lucid iron]

Just patch draw text ez

[hard fern]

Ahh

Yeah that's a problem

[lucid iron]

I don't even know monogame support these things

[gentle rose]

…upload a mirrored version of the font, write it ltr, then mirror it after rendering

[vernal crest]

You can go up to one of the menu options at the top to open the animation screen. I don't remember which sorry. But also you might want the bulk animation plugin.

[queen void]

This is a lot of hard work i suppose

[gray bear]

spooky

[candid stratus]

Bulk animation plugin sounds useful, I had to do a LOT of dragging tiles

[gentle rose]

sorry, it’s a joke because it’s not a good idea. You probably know as well as I do how badly even very well-established software handles Right-to-Left languages, so stardew almost definitely will struggle

If whatsapp still has issues with brackets and that has millions of RTL users and billions of users worldwide, what hope does stardew have at solving this issue

[vernal crest]

Here you go https://github.com/lukas-shawford/tiled-bulk-animations

[gray bear]

the solution for the brackets issue is just to not use them

[gentle rose]

ngl the fact that whatsapp flips brackets is terrifying to me

[lucid iron]

Hm to achieve this with a TAS kind of thing i guess i need to provide delay

So that it becomes 2 tas, the moving up part, and the repeating part

[gentle rose]

I will literally never be able to remember what TAS means in stardew

[candid stratus]

tool assisted speedrun

I'm joking

[lucid iron]

If u r interested i could try making it happen, but ofc just doing map file will work even if it kind of sucks to setup

[vernal crest]

Temporary animated sprite

[uncut viper]

after the bullshit ive been trying and ultimately given up on leading to way too much TAS stuff, my brain thinks temporaryanimatedsprite first now instead of tool assistant speedrun. its been overwritten in the memory banks

[cedar turtle]

(when I read TAS I think of the song tool assisted speedcore)

[gentle rose]

this is the reason I can’t remember it it’s the first thing I think of

[brittle pasture]

ah sad, ive been out of the loop on your fight against the tas

[vernal crest]

I've never heard of tool assisted speedrun but I do often think of Tasmania

[uncut viper]

its mostly just been a lot of frustration and bad ideas in my thread and i havent said anything about it in a while there bc ive genuinely just thrown in the towel completely on it. no feasible way to do what i need to do so ive given up

[queen void]

may be off-topic but can i add at least a custom english font?

[lucid iron]

There's a mod that let u pick whatever font u want

[uncut viper]

custom fonts are possible, the wiki page selph linked explains those too

apparently theres also amod for it

[queen void]

what's the name of the mod?

[vernal crest]

Font settings?

[candid stratus]

I'd still just like the animation button to work to be honest

I'm gonna need it for other things

Why is Tiled so buggy

[queen void]

Found it, Thanks

[gentle rose]

hmm, I haven’t found tiled to be buggy, just not super intuitive

what issue are you having?

[candid stratus]

I click this button and nothing happens

tried different sheet, tried restarting tiled, tried restarting pc

[vernal crest]

Can't speak about the button because I've never used it but did the window open when you used the menu?

[candid stratus]

nop

It just highlights it

[gentle rose]

does it work if you try using it on the ones that are already animated?

[candid stratus]

nope

It used to work

[vernal crest]

Clicking on the option in the menu highlights the camera button?

[candid stratus]

why cant I have nice things

[gentle rose]

weird, probably save everything, close tiled, restart PC

[candid stratus]

Yeah it highlights the button but doesnt actually open the menu it's supposed to

[urban patrol]

if you go to edit the tile animation it should play at the bottom of the window that opens?

[vernal crest]

They already did, iro

[candid stratus]

@gentle rose I already tried

I can try it again cause I know that pc's can be little wankers

[vernal crest]

Weird I've never seen it highlight the button. If it did that maybe I would've realised the button also opened the animation window lol

[vernal crest]

The window not opening is the problem

[gentle rose]

if it doesn’t work this time either, ig next step is probably uninstalling and reinstalling tiled? maybe?

[vernal crest]

Yeah reinstall is my suggestion

[candid stratus]

Does that get rid of my progress?

[vernal crest]

It's not like it's a gigantic program

[candid stratus]

Cause I'm not animating 6 tiles again for 2 hours

[vernal crest]

No, just save first

All the data is stored in the tmx file

[candid stratus]

Okay good

[urban patrol]

oh i see. i’ve always opened the window a different way, i didn’t know clicking the camera button would too

[vernal crest]

Yeah me too lol

[gentle rose]

…how did you guys open it?

[vernal crest]

It makes sense that the video camera would do that but I just followed the instructions on the wiki

The menu at the top of the screen

[gentle rose]

because it’s probably worth trying that too

[vernal crest]

Maybe tileset?

I mean I've suggested that to Storm at least twice now and they said it also didn't work

[candid stratus]

great now my audio stopped working

Hi I'm storm and I'm tilted

[ashen warren]

Your pc is experiencing full organ failure by the sound of it 😭

[gentle rose]

I feel like there’s an underlying issue here somewhere…

[candid stratus]

It'll truly known organ failure when I'm done with it

[vernal crest]

Which is where we ended up with my message expressing surprise that using the option in the menu at the top of the screen highlighted the camera button

[ashen warren]

"no please show mercy"
"You should've worked better then"

[candid stratus]

You had your chance

[gentle rose]

you may want to run some kind of health check on your RAM and disk ngl

if you’re running into a bunch of unrelated random issues

[candid stratus]

the audio was the driver going through a hissy fit again because Corsair's driver was clearly written as a highschool project that the students then failed for due to lack of correct functionality

[ashen warren]

Separate from all this can anyone tell me if having a bad c# file will completely screw a mod

[uncut viper]

is the window just minimized in the bottom left of the Tiled window? or did it perhaps get moved off screen somehow at some point and now is opening off screen by default?

[ashen warren]

Like items not showing up

[gentle rose]

what do you mean by “bad c# file”

[fading walrus]

define "bad"

[gentle rose]

if it’s bad enough it wouldn’t even compile

[ashen warren]

I am shit coder i dont know if I'm using the right methods etc for smapi

[gentle rose]

can you upload your mod to github and share the link here?

I feel like something is getting lost in translation

[ashen warren]

Mod is on GitHub but private lemme make it public and share U guys a link

https://github.com/skittyaylieal/SkittysAsparagus

[uncut viper]

if something is coded wrong then things just wont work or wont compile so you'll notice right away if its "bad"
but not using like, the standard things you should (like ItemRegistry.Create instead of new Object() etc) is just stuff you gotta learn
stuff like that probably wont break anything but if someone notices theyll probably guide you towards the correct path instead

[ashen warren]

i need version control for when stuff breaks

[gentle rose]

that’s a 404

[ashen warren]

well ya see my smapi console doesnt show when i boot the game, i have a support ticket in #1272025932932055121 but not fixed it yet

[candid stratus]

As far as I can see there is nothing off-screen, at least the usual ways of fetching it don't work but I guess subwindows do work differently. I dont see anything minimised in tiled but idk where exactly to look

[ashen warren]

link bad?

https://github.com/skittyaylieal/SkittysAsparagus

im using it rn

[uncut viper]

for me if i accidentally minimize the animation window, its a tiny little thing in the veryb ottom left, like this

[ashen warren]

wait a sec

[gentle rose]

repo is still private

[ashen warren]

i just set it to public

[lucid iron]

Is asparagus a crop

[uncut viper]

if thats not there, you might try "closing" the animation window so the button isnt highlighted, then clicking the animation button again and without hitting anything else, try using Ctrl + Shift + some arrow keys to try moving the window around

[candid stratus]

Nothing there

[ashen warren]

like i went through all the yes i know what dong

[lucid iron]

Dont need c# for that

[ashen warren]

not yet its not

[ashen warren]

ummm im making a new type of crop

[gentle rose]

you can add crops with content patcher

[ashen warren]

yes i know

but i want it to be perfect

[lucid iron]

You can add new custom crops with only content patcher but if you wanna learn c# then sure

[gentle rose]

or is this the thing where it should grow at different speeds in different seasons

[lucid iron]

I don't think c# would make a mod any more "perfect"

[ashen warren]

yes that kidna stuff

[ashen warren]

perfectly real

[uncut viper]

CP mods are also perfectly real

[lucid iron]

[ashen warren]

no perfectly the same as irl

[gentle rose]

anyway if you can’t make it public, you can add me as a collaborator if you’d like, my name on github is irocendar too

[lucid iron]

How do asparagus work irl

[candid stratus]

All negative, if you open the animation editor, does it appear to open a second tab? I think that would be the best way of knowing whether it opens or not

[gentle rose]

cook, eat, weird smell

[fading walrus]

look like small tree

[lucid iron]

Growing them i mean

[fading walrus]

[ashen warren]

plant in winter

only grows in sumer

so i made that

with a lot of help from the wiki and gemini

[gentle rose]

did you guys know that there’s a plant called white sprouting broccoli which looks like a stem with tiny cauliflowers on the end and tastes exactly like asparagus

[lucid iron]

Interesting cross season crop

[ashen warren]

i did not

[lucid iron]

Don't ai mod code lol

[gentle rose]

oh that will be part of the issue, AI code stuff is bad

[ashen warren]

i know

i made the code

[fading walrus]

does it smell like asparagus tho

[gentle rose]

I think so, yeah

[uncut viper]

no, it just opens its own window but doesnt look any different on the taskbar. that was about the only idea i had, my apologies orz

[gentle rose]

I don’t have a strong enough sense of smell to be certain

[ashen warren]

i asked it for help with like what to name files

[lucid iron]

Anyways i did look at your mod it's incorrect

[ashen warren]

how?

like specifics

[gentle rose]

you can access the link?

[lucid iron]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/APIs/Content

[gentle rose]

why is it a 404 for me

[ashen warren]

i remade it public

[vernal crest]

Mine just opens a dinky little window right on top of the tilesheet

[ashen warren]

i have this open in 3 tabs

[lucid iron]

You need to edit the asparagus into Data/Crops

[fading walrus]

no like - even if you're asking gemini/any other chatbot to clean your code up or for advice on the process, there's a good chance there'll be errors

[brittle pasture]

the problem with ai code is not just it's bad, but that it's bad and you will not know why

[gentle rose]

okay it finally loaded

[ashen warren]

yeah not for the code

[lucid iron]

Right now you are modifying the thing directly aren't u

[brittle pasture]

because you did not write it

[ashen warren]

?

[ashen warren]

exactly

[ashen warren]

define thing

[candid stratus]

It just doesnt do anything anymore. Doesnt even make the tiled window the not-highlighted one, and all pop-ups take focus off of the original tab

[lucid iron]

You need to do the edit on AssetRequested

[gentle rose]

just to double check, you definitely didn’t use AI to write any of the code? because I’m honestly not sure why you’re doing certain things

[lucid iron]

Right now you are loading the Data/Crop asset and then putting your crop data in there

It's not going to work like this

[ashen warren]

ok

[fading walrus]

idk why I looked
ya girl does not C#

[ashen warren]

at the strt i asked it what a couple things did

[brittle pasture]

I looked at your repo, and tbh it looks like you used AI to write, if not the entire thing, then just the autocompleted part

[ashen warren]

the autocompleted part?

[lucid iron]

Please just yeet this whole repo

[brittle pasture]

as in you type in words and the AI tells you what to fill in

[hard fern]

don't trust the ai for anything

[gentle rose]

yeah, ngl this entire thing looks AI to me and I’m not sure any of it is salvageable

[brittle pasture]

and yeah all of it is wrong, in that distinct LLM way of wrong

[ashen warren]

My friend has a job doing c# and ge said the code should work syntactically

[vernal crest]

Yeah I think reinstalling is the way to go here

[candid stratus]

Already reinstalled

Twice even

[vernal crest]

And it's still broken?

[lucid iron]

Here's a example of how to do data edits in C#

[candid stratus]

Yep still broken c:

[lucid iron]

https://github.com/Mushymato/TrinketTinker/blob/main/TrinketTinker/Extras/TrinketColorizer.cs#L31

[candid stratus]

Just like me on the inside

I'm gonna try an older version of tiled

[gentle rose]

being syntactically correct doesn’t mean it works

[vernal crest]

Have you tried closing your map, closing tiled, opening a vanilla map, and checking that?

[brittle pasture]

no offense to your friend but that advice means literally nothing

[lucid iron]

Need to attach OnAssetRequested to the right event, as noted on wiki

[gentle rose]

storm is spiralling into madness in front of our very eyes. rip in pieces /lh

[candid stratus]

Tried closing all tabs and animating different maps, also nothing

[vernal crest]

Older version sounds like a good idea then

[brittle pasture]

(if I sound mean let me know. I don't mean to be mean, I just want to let ppl know in no uncertain terms AI is ill-advised for SDV modding)

[fading walrus]

(didn't sound mean to me, but tone tags are always helpful if you're not sure)

[candid stratus]

One time I had to install PSpice which was an application for windows XP. Couldnt install it for 3 weeks but needed it for lab class. The solution? Moving back to Windows 7, booting in safe mode without internet, complete the FIRST STEP of the installation after which it failed, go back to windows 10, and then I could complete the following steps

[gentle rose]

windows has left you a broken shell of what you once were

[candid stratus]

I've already descended into madness so far that I can still hear the echoes of my screams I let out 7 years ago

Hey look 1.10.2 worked

Guess 1.11.2 tiled is bugged

Thanks Obama

[faint ingot]

anyone know where the owl statue is in the unpacked files? I can't seem to find it in furniture/springobjects/cursors...

[brittle pasture]

Tilesheets/craftables

[ornate trellis]

big craftables, no?

[faint ingot]

ty

[candid stratus]

I'm 2 breakdowns away from making a python script that attempts to match a screenshot of an object with all pngs it can find in the unpacked content

[brittle pasture]

that's where all the big craftables are

[gentle rose]

I feel like this one is one we can help you with what are we looking for?

and did you check cursors

[lucid iron]

[candid stratus]

I did check cursors, I'm looking for the cutscene background where grandpa hands you the letter. In my story he was a commander and died which is why you get the farm

[fading walrus]

sounds like a cursors thing ngl

[candid stratus]

Yeah I know

[lucid iron]

I think that's minigames

[vernal crest]

Miiiiiiniiigammmmesss!

[candid stratus]

Grandpa: Am I a minigame to you??

[gentle rose]

wasn’t there a whole phase of people replacing that background with other things lmao

[fading walrus]

I forgor minigames exists

[fading walrus]

grandpa's bed mods, yes

[lucid iron]

Yep Minigames/jojacorps

[fading walrus]

cursed as hell but also irreverently hilarious

[brittle pasture]

a cursed, glorious time of modding

[lucid iron]

Honestly the best way to find anything is to ask ppl here

[gentle rose]

and also check cursors. just in case

the secret to life is probably in cursors

[lucid iron]

These dummies are trained on Content (unpacked)

[candid stratus]

Look I'm trying to not seem dumb so I break my head for several hours until I come crawling here begging for a drop of water

Ends up looking dumb anyway

[lucid iron]

But it is the one u want right

[candid stratus]

Yes

[vernal crest]

It can be hard to find the line

[candid stratus]

Now to figure out how to not make it animated

[vernal crest]

Now that I have friends here I get very tempted sometimes to just be lazy and outsource my thinking to them

[candid stratus]

Grandpa's a sneaky one isnt he

little rascal

[lucid iron]

If you just patch all 3 frames it'll be not animated

Doing anything fancier will need C#

[candid stratus]

3 frames? I see a whole lot more than 3 frames

Is this cutscene actually handled like a map with a moving camera?

[lucid iron]

The 3 frames of the letter

The cutscene is literally a minigame

Sprite draw is controlled in C#

[quaint idol]

What language is stardew

[candid stratus]

Can I just make the whole thing 1 image with the text already on it, I'm going for max laziness right here

[quaint idol]

Made in

[lucid iron]

C#

[quaint idol]

Ok

[lucid iron]

You can black out the whole thing sure, but you won't be able to arrange text unless you were really clever about it

[candid stratus]

What about just 1 static image

[lucid iron]

I.e. identify which frames are kept on screen for a while

[candid stratus]

Will I just yoink it on the sprite batch

[lucid iron]

Frame being source rect really

And then put your text there

And somehow avoid the moving black rectangles

It's not trivial is what im saying

I think it's lazier if u just made this black and white then gave grandpa a funny hat

[candid stratus]

Cant I just stack a new image on top of the sprite batch and hide everything underneath

[lucid iron]

No

[candid stratus]

Dang it Stardew

[lucid iron]

Imagine a puppet show

Where the puppeteer is moving around guys

You can dump black paint all over his puppets

He's still moving the guys

[candid stratus]

Yeah but what I'm saying is just dump a billboard in front of the puppeteer

[lucid iron]

He doesn't have hands to hold the billboard for u

He's busy with puppets

[gentle rose]

I have lost track of the metaphor

[hot gale]

Yay I got a handful of NPCs that will just wander around my meadery area now :D

[candid stratus]

Regular billboards aren't held up by people either, they're mounted

[lucid iron]

No ones here to install it for you

[candid stratus]

What about me???

[lucid iron]

You can write a C# mod to install it for yourself

[ornate locust]

you don't have a permit

[candid stratus]

Anything to not have to watch that awfully boring guy play with puppets all day

[lucid iron]

!decompile

[ocean sail]

If you want to make SMAPI mods with C#, one important resource is decompiling the game to read the game code. Here's how to do it: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/Get_Started#How_do_I_decompile_the_game_code.3F

To use this command, type !decompile.

[lucid iron]

Patch the intro minigame basically

Once u get in there u can do whatever u want

[candid stratus]

With harmony?

[lucid iron]

Yeah

[candid stratus]

cracks knuckles time for segmentation faults baby

[lucid iron]

Nah we call those illegal IL and access violation exception here in C# land

But yeah usually when people say "you can't do X" there's a implicit "without C#"

[candid stratus]

Man, I miss the good old days of just seeing "Your program crashed" and dumping the literal RAM onto a logfile

[lucid iron]

Because you can do anything in C#

Yeet the puppeteer

[candid stratus]

There's a difference between being able to do things with C# and re-writing the game's code using harmony patching though

[lucid iron]

Not really

[candid stratus]

I kind of figured I could just eventually draw something over it

There's a lot you can do without harmony patching though no?

[lucid iron]

You gotta remember C# is running on a vm

What you are doing with harmony is just ploping in more instructions before it hit vm

[candid stratus]

Well yeah if you gotta go install gcc to play stardew

[lucid iron]

So it's not really that different than loading extra dll

And thus also ploping in more instructions

What does matter is transpilers can explode when source code didn't actually change, just because compiler went shrug

[rigid oriole]

Does a farmer's UniqueMultiplayerID change if you close the game and reopen it? Or is it safe to use as an identifier persisted between saves

[candid stratus]

If I can program a hydrogen factory, I gotta be able to hide stardew intro right LOL

[lucid iron]

So harmony is more fragile when game updates

As for your specific intro case, you can just force skip intro if you want

That's already a game feature so it's probably not that bad to force it to be true all the time

[ashen warren]

Guess I'll start from scratch 😔

[rigid oriole]

I supposed I could also persist this in the Farmer moddata rather than the NPC moddata which should be multiplayer-safe right

[tawny ore]

Anything you can do in Harmony is also possible in C# alone, albeit with much more difficulty, because Harmony makes all the reflection/IL stuff easier.

[lucid iron]

I believe this is saved yes

The unique multiplayer id

[tawny ore]

Technically you can mod all of SDV (content+code) without even using SMAPI, but then you'd have to do a bunch of what SMAPI does to make loading mods easier/possible.

[lucid iron]

I do like storing things just in mod dafa

[rigid oriole]

yeah I just realized the mod-data keys I make need to account for more than just Game1.player

[lucid iron]

To mod sdv first invent your own mod loader i see

[ashen warren]

XD

[candid stratus]

Just remake stardew

[ashen warren]

Pirating at its finest

[tawny ore]

To mod SDV, just rebuild the entire game from scratch

[candid stratus]

sometimes I'm wondering what I'm even doing

How would I go about skipping the intro haha

I think that's a more feasible method

[tawny ore]

There is a Skip Intro mod already... isn't there?

Probably look at what it does

[ashen warren]

Its built in

[hard fern]

I thought you could. Just skip it

[ashen warren]

When u make nrw save U can select skip

[lucid iron]

Storm wanted the grandpa cutscene

[candid stratus]

Yeah but for canon reasons it's really not allowed to be there at all

[lucid iron]

Not the ConcernedApe splash

[tawny ore]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/533

Oh, you mean the intro in the game

[ashen warren]

Oh that's different into

[candid stratus]

If I could literally just skip the grandpa cutscene and just plonk an image on the screen that any key will get rid of, I'm golden

[ashen warren]

XD

[lucid iron]

!decompile

[ocean sail]

If you want to make SMAPI mods with C#, one important resource is decompiling the game to read the game code. Here's how to do it: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/Get_Started#How_do_I_decompile_the_game_code.3F

To use this command, type !decompile.

[lucid iron]

Have you done this yet

[candid stratus]

I've decompiled yes

[lucid iron]

I would start by finding where the vanilla skip intro checkbox is

[candid stratus]

Already used a bit of it

[lucid iron]

See what is done there and just force it to happen

[ashen warren]

Then what it does?

[lucid iron]

I'm not talking to you

This is about storm's thing

[ashen warren]

Ok I'm just trying to ask a question