making-mods-general

[reef kiln]

There is a guide for them. One sec.

https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Kailey's_Interior_Door_Guide

[sour sleet]

That's really helpful, thanks!

[dusk mulch]

Will HasFlag still work if the mailflag is an actual piece of mail?

[ivory plume]

Yep, mail flags are stored the same way regardless of whether there's an associated letter.

[latent mauve]

The easy answer is the Action Door <NPC> tile property

[ivory plume]

Do you mean these paths, or something else?

[latent mauve]

I would have thought it was

which is front of some of the houses, with more variants by the bridge

They probably meant these guys:

[fierce vault]

Oh, I’ll post a picture

yup, that’s it

Sorry, i had left the chatroom for a little while

[reef kiln]

I have never seen them done as a seperate mod. There is the vanilla ones that are kind of like them but not the same.

[lucid iron]

you need to find 16 of these somehow

[fierce vault]

I do not know where thay are stored in the tilesets yet either. This pic is from SVE by the way. Not sure if it changes the look of them slightly or anything.

[latent mauve]

There are 8 immediately in sight on the spring_outdoorsTileSheet

+3 of those little grass sprout tiles

[ivory plume]

You could try searching mods containing 'path', but I skimmed through and didn't see any that looked like that.

Those are pretty similar to the stepping stone path, so you could probably fill in any gaps based on that one's sprites.

[fierce vault]

Interesing that I missed them, because Ive look through that one before

[latent mauve]

it's above the right tunnel wall

[fierce vault]

Thanks, I had searched a little for paths to and saw nothing so I may be fine.

What realized though is that the stones look so nice because there is shading with the path’s color itself. That might make them look different or be bad for recolor compatiblilty, because I’d need to keep the dirt shading in or leave it out.

[lucid iron]

you will have to make recolor compatibility yes

[uncut viper]

there are CP tokens for whether youy have children or what their names are

so you can do that yes

[fierce vault]

Choosing that option would mean I likely leave the dirt color out, which helps the stones blend in nicely, so maybe I'd need to make multiple options depending on what the individual wants.

[lucid iron]

the individual is you

[fierce vault]

True enough

Thought if I made it though I might as well share it.

[uncut viper]

there isnt really gonna be a template rfor it, its just tokens

i dont know any mod that uses them

you use them the same way you use any other CP token

[lucid iron]

i think its ChildName | at=0 and ChildName | at=1

[uncut viper]

no, ChildNames |valueAt=0

read the token documentation before attempting to use tokens
https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/tokens.md

you will also want to make sure ChildNames has any value at all first

[lucid iron]

{{ChildNames |valueAt=0}}

ah good button got it

[uncut viper]

only one dialogue per dialogue key can exist. thats just how it works

if two mods add dialogue for the same key only one will win

which one wins is controllable

like i said ,its controllable, so it depends on the priority each mod sets. also, yandere mods arent allowed to be discussed in this server, fyi

depends on priority and ofc conditions*

[ivory plume]

Each dialogue has a specific key, and the game will choose the first key which exists in its priority order (i.e. the order listed on Modding:Dialogue).

For example:

• If mod A defines a <dayOfWeek><hearts> dialogue and mod B defines a <dayOfWeek> dialogue, only the first is shown because that key has a higher priority.
• If two mods define the same dialogue key, whichever one is applied last is shown.

[uncut viper]

the best way to know which mod will win is to try it in game. second best way is to look at the mod files to see which is set to load first/use a higher priority

[lucid iron]

you can make the mod you want to win depend on the other mod to ensure it happening

[uncut viper]

(that would still depend on if the other mod specifies a later priority on their patch i believe?)

[lucid iron]

yea this is only if everyone's on Default

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/action-editdata.md#overview

Priority

[uncut viper]

if A has a higher prioprity then B is applied before A

Option B has "early" priority. it sets the value of "RandomDialogue" to "Hello!"
Option A has "late" priority. it sets the value of "RandomDialogue" to "Goodbye!"

they both get applied, but they set the same value

also i meant option A for the second line

since they are applied in order and set the same value, the one that applies last wins

it will overwrite the "Hello!"

[ivory plume]

(Just to avoid confusion, there's two levels of priority here: the order in which the game checks for dialogue keys, and the order in which patches are applied. The patch priority only matters when editing the same dialogue key.)

[uncut viper]

correct

[hot gale]

What do I need to do for a custom NPC to 'wander'? Do I need to schedule movement from tile to tile at set times? Can it be randomized in a way that perhaps slaps a 'generic' AI on them where they perform basic functions? I have added a few NPCs to my new custom location and they just stand there.. not sure what to do with them exactly as far as making them feel alive

[uncut viper]

and unless specified otherwise, all patches have Default priority

so at that point, its determined by mod load order basically

[calm nebula]

Look at the rectangle_x_y

Animation key

See how Emily uses it in the saloon

[hot gale]

Cool, thanks for the tip!

[sour sleet]

Ok so I still have transparent doors. I've used this example but I'm confused about the "FromFile" part. I basically want to use the base game door on a custom map. I put my FromFile as townInterior.png but obviously it's not in any of my mod folders as you can't do that

[hot gale]

townInterior.png is already in the Maps folder so it can be called like Maps/townInterior.png

[uncut viper]

the Custom Interior Doors section is just if you want a custom texture for the door

[lucid iron]

did you sleep in the place with doors?

[uncut viper]

afaik

[lucid iron]

try leaving and coming back

[sour sleet]

I debug warped there

[sour sleet]

I want to use the base game door but for some reason, it's transparent

[uncut viper]

i know. im saying ignore the Custom Interior Doors section, which is where that Patch townInterior section is

you just want the top half of that wiki page

[sour sleet]

Oh, the guide says to do a patch when the door is transparent

[uncut viper]

only if you are using custom interior doors

a transparent door being there is not limited to custom interior doors

[sour sleet]

Do you know how to fix the base game doors being transparent?

[uncut viper]

thats just what happens if you have the doors set up wrong

usually if the tile action/property does not match the Map property i believe

[latent mauve]

The Doors map property is what makes them solidify, I think

(which is not to be confused with the Tile action, for clarity's sake)

[sour sleet]

Yay, it's fixed now

[latent mauve]

Awesome! I'm gonna step away for a bit and find some dinner, consider this a general reminder to stay hydrated and eat something today ❤️

[uncut viper]

good luck finding the dinner, bring a map if u need to

[grizzled crescent]

Image 1: My wallpapers overlayed Vanilla to show they are same height,
Image 2: For some reason there is a bar under the wall and I'm not sure why D:
Image 3: Shows I have the dimensions to 16x48
Image 4: My actually mod texture image.

I am not sure how to fix the issue with this bar showing up under the wall, hopefully I added enough context.
Inside of my farmhouse is the vanilla farmhouse.
(I deleted the other one so there isn't a double post in chat)

[uncut viper]

if you posted it very recently and no one responded, its likely that theres just no one around who has the answer

deleting the other one doesnt mean its not a repost

unfortunately sometimes niche issues just need to be posted at the right time and maybe right phase of the moon in order to capture the handful of people who may know

unsure about the moon part but it cant hurt

[grizzled crescent]

I figured because there was already one being discuss so I deleted it because I felt bad interrupting and also it might not have been seen since it was posted in the middle of someone else's conversation.

[lucid iron]

is this AT

[grizzled crescent]

Yes

[lucid iron]

possibly just AT bug

[uncut viper]

(moreso just trying to assure that you're not being purposely ignored or anything, multiple convos are common and all and people just dont tend to respond if they arent confident in the answer! wrong advice is sometimes worse than none after all)

[lucid iron]

since we r 1.6 land now perhaps you can do CP way?

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Wallpaper_and_flooring

my 1.7 wish is

make Item hashable somehow

[uncut viper]

an item is already hashable as long as its (O)192

[lucid iron]

they have too much state tho

oh i mean implement whatever C# uses to check HashSet

[uncut viper]

dont make me explain the joke

[lucid iron]

wow perish

[uncut viper]

unrelated question but for a custom museum framework does anyone have any strong or even slightly above average strength opinions on whether or not itd probably be better to like, use a GSQ to determine if an item id donatable vs just a user-defined list of item ids and/or context tags and/or categories
i have it set as the latter right now but thats just cuz i was mimicking the vanilla MuseumDonationRequirement

[lucid iron]

if you use a GSQ then i'd be able to make an item only donatable during the summer

[uncut viper]

on one hand a GSQ is more flexible but on the other hand i feel like it might lead to some weird "sometimes donatable, sometimes n ot" shenanigans

and idk if those shenanigans will always be desirable or intended

it would also get in the way a bit of my planned failsafe for "what happens if a mod updates and an item that WAS donatable, is no longer donatable, but is already donated" which was to just pop em off the shelves

but that becomes a lot trickier if it is also effectively impossible to determine when something is donatable

[lucid iron]

well, that happens with context tags too

[uncut viper]

via code

do items keep their context tags even after a game restart if the tag was removed from the data?

either way the current check relies on base context tags anyway

[sour sleet]

What's the etiquette with custom tilesheets modders have uploaded to Nexus? Am I allowed to use them in my mod or do I need permission first?

[uncut viper]

not the tags of the actual item in the location

[uncut viper]

the mod page in question will tell you their permissions

if they do not tell you their permissions, then you do not have permission

[sour sleet]

Awesome, thanks

[lucid iron]

yes

[uncut viper]

to add on to this, the current way a custom museum (and the vanilla museum) checks if an item is donatable is to iterate over every object in the itemregistry when the location is created and check its ParsedItemData to see if it qualifies aka has the right tag set. so my plan was to use that iteration to check if there was a not-donatable item already in the donation during this check. but with a GSQ i dont think i can do that, since i cant determine if a GSQ is immutably true or false unless its literally "true" or "False"

[lucid iron]

that said i dont see why you would check the donated again, just toss all the things in a global inventory

restore it from there and trust that it's correct

[uncut viper]

the point was that i did not want to trust its correct

and wanted to offer a failsafe if it isnt

[lucid iron]

then if i donated a SEASON Summer GSQ thing, do you yeet it on Fall 1

[uncut viper]

i mean i think ur just reiterating my point of why i wasnt sure if i wanted to use a GSQ

[lucid iron]

yea certainly, im exploring the ✨ implications ✨ with you

[uncut viper]

there are tradeoffs and i wanted to know if people had strong opinions on the GSQ thing

to determine if its worth the tradeoff

[lucid iron]

it's hard to add context tag on some items i think

[uncut viper]

i was actually thinking of fresh farm produce when i was thinking about tags originally

a museum for only fresh items

[lucid iron]

but they become stale...

[uncut viper]

preserve them in epoxy resin itll be fine

like a mcdonalds cheeseburger

[lucid iron]

i do feel like, if you are going to support GSQ then you will have to give up on rechecking anything less dire than error item

[uncut viper]

if i do go with GSQ i would probably add an item retrieval thing to the museum instead, alongside rearranging

[lucid iron]

the talk we had weeks ago about folly of wanting item invariant gsq apply here

[uncut viper]

which is just more work

i just wanted to see if there was something i could do to prevent like. a user filling up every museum slot available, then the mod updates and adds 5 new donatables and removes 10 others that they decided should not be donatable, making the user stuck

[lucid iron]

i feel like this is a regenrate_bundle kinda situation: some wacky thing happened but you can fix it with this console command

[uncut viper]

there were also plans for a console command

[lucid iron]

rather than something you actively check persay

[uncut viper]

i always kinda loathe having to use a console command to do anything though

as a player

[tiny zealot]

to prevent this, i'd probably do way too much work and implement some kind of lost-and-found in whatever menu or thing opens the donation interface

[uncut viper]

the problem isnt with that, its with determining what goes in the lost and found

and what stays on the shelves

[lucid iron]

sending stuff to the mayor house lost and found is simple

[uncut viper]

if all items are donatable based on a GSQ i cant determine what was or possibly will be still a valid donation

[tiny zealot]

gotta at least mention that you've done it, though, or you get "wait where is all my shit"

[uncut viper]

if theyre donatable based on a set-at-runtime, immutable list of values though, thats different

set at launch imean

[tiny zealot]

if it's helpful to you, i use GSQs for availability in secret note framework and i just explicitly only check them once a day

[uncut viper]

given how important the whole "how to decide whats donatable" thing is to a custom museum tho its somethin i wanted to stop and give more thought to before i put too much more work into a system that will entirely depend on it

well like chu said, what if they make an item only donatable in the summer

and then the user loads their save and its fall 1

it doesnt matter how many times or how often i check it, it will not be a valid donation item anymore

[tiny zealot]

what if you registered a trigger action for authors to use. {{ModId}}_RemoveDonatedItems <qid>+ or whatever

so if an author removes 10 items that shouldn't be valid anymore, they can set up the TA to remove them from their museum when the save loads

[uncut viper]

that only works if they know exactly what items to remove

which they may not from a GSQ-based condition

[tiny zealot]

don't they? they updated their mod to remove them from the valid list, didn't they?

in your hypothetical

[uncut viper]

what if their condition used to be ITEM_CONTEXT_TAG scarecrow_item

and then they changed it to only be something else

sure, they can remove all the vanilla scarecrows, but modded scarecrows? how would they know?

[tiny zealot]

oh you're talking about item queries?

[uncut viper]

thats just a GSQ

it doesnt HAVE to be an item only GSQ, but itd be the most useful

but importantly no that is not an item query, that is still just a GSQ. it checks whatever item is passed into it, it does not generate any items on its own. item only GSQs and item queries are different things

[versed wyvern]

Anyone happen to know, if a character's schedule has them do the random sandbox radius in an area with other NPCs, do they avoid walking over one another or not? Would like to minimize NPC clipping if I put them near each other

[green patrol]

heeey couple of random questions regarding machines...

1. so the mod I'm porting atm has a machine that takes no input and then produces an item every couple of in-game hours (this item is then used as fuel for another machine from the mod, hence why it only costs time to produce). But uh...I've never made a machine that does that using content patcher? I tried to base the code off of the code for the solar panels and worm bins from the game, but it's not generating any output like I'm expecting.

2. the mod also had animation frames for the machines. If I'm understanding things correctly from the wiki, I do a WorkingEffects field and then inside it I use the Frames element of that? And then if say, my machine is at index 32 on my sheet and I have 7 frames I put [33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39] as the value for the Frames property?

This is the file for the machine in question: https://smapi.io/json/none/4184d9b04d6c4827b9e9145e0b29803e

it works if I define it in the way I'm used to (a machine takes an input and converts it to an output) but I'm having a bit of trouble with the no input one 😓

[lucid iron]

why did you put 6

trigger should be OutputCollected, MachinePutDown i think

[vernal crest]

Just bind it to a hotkey

[uncut viper]

i am not binding a "Reset your museum progress" command to a hotkey

[vernal crest]

Yes I am here just to say stupid stuff

I have nothing useful so this is what you get

[uncut viper]

thank you i think

[vernal crest]

It's a form of moral support

[green patrol]

I put 6 cause that's what the wormbin does

so I thought that it'd do something similar

[lucid iron]

ig 110 is 6

so it might work yes

[uncut viper]

where does worm bin put 6

[lucid iron]

frames should be relative

so like 1 2 3 4 5 6 7?

[green patrol]

right here

[tiny zealot]

button, if i were doing the museum framework and i wanted to use GSQ, i would just allow queries that become invalid later to cause items to get punted out to a lost and found, and tell authors (chu) not to write queries that change over time

[uncut viper]

neither of my worm bins say that in my unpack

[lucid iron]

2 | 4 = 6

[vernal crest]

Ok here is my attempt at a useful contribution: have you come across any demand for the GSQ approach so far? If not, would it be a gigantic PITA to begin with the non-GSQ approach but change later if demand for the GSQ approach appeared later? Would it be more than if you did all the work for the GSQ approach now and then nobody used it?

If these questions are just as useless as my hotkey suggestion joke, pretend this message doesn't exist

[lucid iron]

im guessing they use a different xnb unpacker?

that isnt stardewxnbhack

but you should use OutputCollected, MachinePutDown for readability

[green patrol]

oh okay

I used the lybell-art github xnb unpacker, I didn't realize there was another one

[lucid iron]

!unpack

[ocean sail]

Follow this guide to unpack the game's content files in order to see and explore how the game data is structured.
It's helpful when making your own mods, or just to learn about how the game works!

To use this command, type !unpack.

[lucid iron]

tis the recommended one around here and it'll do ur whole Content folder at once

[green patrol]

o noice

[drowsy pewter]

stardewxnbhack is specifically for stardew and has some features to untangle stardew stuff

[green patrol]

so I do OutputCollected and MachinePutDown instead of 6, and fix the frames, and it should work then?

[uncut viper]

the mod is unreleased so there hasnt been any demand for anything

[lucid iron]

lets fix one problem at a time

comment out the WorkingEffects section and try putting your machine down in game

[vernal crest]

I know people have asked you about it, I thought that might have included requests for features

[lucid iron]

see if it starts wobbling

and if u can get water

[green patrol]

o yeah that's a good idea

[uncut viper]

no ones requested features thus far. its not a PITA to do it right now, but it would be basically impossible to not be a breaking change if i wanted to do it later, and deciding what to do now affects the implementation of the things i need to work on next

re: just telling authors to not use queries that can become false again, i am also a little worried that some GSQs may not become false again per se but may not be like, determinable at the time the location is created

[lucid iron]

i think ichor means

if i release a mod where the donate requirements are SEASON Summer this is my fault not yours

[uncut viper]

i know

[lucid iron]

while your framework should just behave assuming GSQ only become false due to catastrophe

[uncut viper]

im saying like even if the GSQ is PLAYER_HAS_MAIL Host myFlag, can i even reliably see what the mail flags the host has at the time the gamelocation is instantiated?

and if i can for mail flags, can i guarantee that for everything?

[green patrol]

it works :)

[lucid iron]

then do the frames fix next

[uncut viper]

like LOCATION_ACCESSIBLE, for instance. whats the earliest i can reliably check that, and is it earlier than my museum is created?

[lucid iron]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Machines#Audio_.26_visuals

ah i see, that is problematic yes

[uncut viper]

i hadnt thought about that aspect until just now

[green patrol]

yep yep. will report back shortly!

[uncut viper]

itd make all the items pop off, though

[lucid iron]

i suppose u can defer the check to player Warped if you just keep holding the thing in global inv

[uncut viper]

the things arent actually in a global inventory

[lucid iron]

actually how r u holding the things rn

[uncut viper]

not right now, anyway

same way vanilla museum does

[dusk mulch]

What label does fish and cooking food types use? Like objects use (O)

[uncut viper]

its a Dictionary<Vector2, Item> on LibraryMuseum.cs

and it iterates over that in the draw code

(tho its not LibraryMuseum.cs its CustomMuseum.cs)

[lucid iron]

oh it just serialize right then into save huh

[uncut viper]

i hadnt considered a global inventory before, but i still dont know the snorlax method for a GameLocation anyway

[lucid iron]

well u can still defer the check to warped since if u pop it off as debris

the player's gotta be there

[uncut viper]

bc the class itself has a buncha overrides and custom code in it that would be a major pain in the ass to do via harmony patches on regular ol GameLocation instyead

i guess it wouldnt be that bad to just defer to save loaded, that should have everything

saveloaded instead of warped bc if i send them to lost and found instead ideally theyd know asap

[lucid iron]

i think the message thing need to be night before doesnt it

[uncut viper]

what message thing

[lucid iron]

the general "thing sent to lost and found" popup

u can just hud message urself tho

[uncut viper]

i can just send a letter

i was gonna start wondering again if there was a way i could use global inventory to replace the need to serialize at all and save myself a dependency but i forgor i wanted to subclass Quest anyway

maybe. undecided

[lucid iron]

if i was to use global inv to not subclass GameLocation

i would let people mark tiles as display with TileData

and store the previously known coord on modData but do stupid shit to reassign it should map change

[uncut viper]

thats already possible

with the framework

[lucid iron]

but you r subclass it for purposes of not doing 9001 harmony patches so

[uncut viper]

that and the ez netfields

[green patrol]

smol update: animation fix didn't work, but I'm gonna try and see if I can get it to work by putting the animation frames on a separate spritesheet

[lucid iron]

hm im pretty sure they are supposed to be on same sheet

[green patrol]

o

[lucid iron]

did u set Interval

[green patrol]

ye

100

[lucid iron]

maybe this is the nonsense with LoadEffects/WorkingEffects again

try setting both of these (same data)

[versed wyvern]

There wouldn't happen to be something that lets me apply the player's hair color to other assets, would there? Like if I want a representation of the player to appear in a photo and their hair color needs to match

[lucid iron]

if it's an event i think u can fake it by putting farmer actor there

if it needs to persist then no this is big pain

[versed wyvern]

[uncut viper]

will the farmer actor blink

[versed wyvern]

I thought so, oh well

[lucid iron]

haunted photo

even in C# land, you have to defeat fashion sense to make such a thing work

[green patrol]

nah it's still only wobbling

animations are hard. and weird

[latent mauve]

Just to verify, how many frames are on your tilesheet versus how many you called in your animation?

(should be tilesheet frames - 1 because the first is typically the static/non-animated)

[green patrol]

for this specific machine it's got 7 frames

so index 32 is the static frame

and then 33-39 are the animation frames

and then this is what my json file looks like atm: https://smapi.io/json/none/40e4e457e67c4598bd02f614d9efd361

[dusk mulch]

Does anyone know if the ID spreadsheet is going to get updated?

[vernal crest]

I'm not familiar with machines but shouldn't the frames actually be numbered 32-39 if that's what indexes the frames are on?

[green patrol]

shrugs idk? I tried it both ways and neither one seemed to work

[latent mauve]

By the way, if your RequiredItem fields are null and this is a brand new machine, you shouldn't need to include those fields to set them to null in your code.

[green patrol]

o okies

[latent mauve]

Same for Condition

[green patrol]

that's how the deluxe worm bin did it so that's why I did it that way

but I am all for efficiency!

[tawdry hinge]

THANKS

is there a git hub?

[latent mauve]

The game/CP is smart and has default values for a lot of things if you don't include them in the code. 🙂

[dusk mulch]

Hey, Whoa.

Rule 2 of ANYTHING:
If it works, don't touch it.

[vernal crest]

The one with sounds/music?

[latent mauve]

That's fair, I was just making a comment

[dusk mulch]

The great ID spreadsheet, in the pins.

[latent mauve]

Looking at the animation stuff still

[dusk mulch]

The Items page.

[uncut viper]

there is not (i was lazy) but its easy enough to open in ilspy if you dont trust it. very small mod

[latent mauve]

(also sometimes nulling a field is bad, so I don't like to encourage it when it's not needed)

[green patrol]

changing it back to the 33-39 indexes didn't cause the playing btw just double checked

[latent mauve]

I'm cross-checking against my laundry machine

[brittle pasture]

LoadEffects and WorkingEffects is a list

you need an extra pair of []s

[green patrol]

o

[dusk mulch]

"This shirt is dry, this sock is wet..."

[latent mauve]

            {
            "Id":"Default",
            "ShakeDuration":100,
            "Frames": [2,4,6,8],
            "Interval": 200,
            "WorkingEffectChance": 1,
        },```

this is from my machine

Your format's a bit off

[dusk mulch]

You put code in your washing machine? Doesn't seem like that would be healthy for it.

[uncut viper]

have you not been getting errors in your console Shads?

[green patrol]

nope...

[vernal crest]

Ah that is the one I meant. I would guess not. But it doesn't matter for the items page because people can use this instead https://mateusaquino.github.io/stardewids/

[green patrol]

cause like it still runs, it just doesn't play the animations

[latent mauve]

You don't need to ping me twice in rapid succession, Person. I'm clearly still in the room.

(also before anyone asks, that washing machine is 2 tiles wide, which is why the frames are multiples of 2)

[green patrol]

what's shake duration?

[latent mauve]

A duration in milliseconds during which the machine sprite should shake.

It's optional, not everyone wants their machines to shake

[green patrol]

oh okay. and then it just loops back to frame 2 when it's finished with frame 8 by default too?

[latent mauve]

that's what mine does, yep.

[dusk mulch]

Is there a way to add a price multipler to the whole shop instead of going through each item and adding it?

[latent mauve]

Yes

[brittle pasture]

post your code again?

[latent mauve]

Lemme open up my Leah's Art Commissions WIP, since I used that to set all prices to 30000 at once. xD

[dusk mulch]

30000?!

[latent mauve]

Spouse portraits, Person

[fierce vault]

Hi, when making modded floors and paths, is WinterTexture
Corner the only seasonal variation they can have? That was the only one I saw on the wiki.

[dusk mulch]

Ohhhhh

[green patrol]

(are you talking to me or to person selph?)

[naive wyvern]

Reasonable for stardew lore

[brittle pasture]

you

should have replied lol'

[sour sleet]

Is it possible for a custom interior to have the windows change depending on the time of day? Basically like the vanilla windows

Mine don't seem to change rn

[green patrol]

https://smapi.io/json/none/ae21ef9df9c442e0be930b2c6e915e16

[naive wyvern]

Day Tiles and night tiles

[green patrol]

updated with the list-dict-list formatting. still only wobbling, no errors/warnings in the console. would posting the spritesheet help too?

[brittle pasture]

got it now
LoadEffects and WorkingEffects are top level fields

[latent mauve]

                    {
                        "Modification":"Set",
                        "Amount":30000
                    }
                ]``` this goes on the same level as the Items and Owners entries. You can change the Modification and Amount to be whatever you need.

[brittle pasture]

move them out of OutputRules

[uncut viper]

well, thatd explain the lack of errors

[dusk mulch]

So between the items and the owners?

[sour sleet]

Oh good. I assume it's the same for lamps?

[latent mauve]

I stuck mine after the Owners: [] stuff, but it shouldn't matter where it is at long as it's not nested inside anything.

[dusk mulch]

Alright, ty!

[dusk mulch]

I remember when you were struggling with maps, now you're doing them with ease and more. You learnt it all in a few weeks as well.

[brittle pasture]

WorkingEffectChance is also a top level field

move it out of WorkingEffects

[green patrol]

o it played it once

yay~

[brittle pasture]

yeah that's because it still thinks WorkingEffectChance is 0.33

[vernal crest]

Yes although the glow for them is actually present all the time, just hard to see during the day lol

[sour sleet]

Ah alright. Will the DayTiles and NightTiles change the actual window colour as well as the light?

[naive wyvern]

Youll have to draw for that for windows

[sour sleet]

Even if I'm using the vanilla windows?

[vernal crest]

DayTiles and NightTiles change which tile is present on the map. When used with certain tilesheet indexes they will add a glow to the window as well.

[green patrol]

it works now! ty chue, button, fireredlily, and selph! Now I'll be able to have this done before the weekend ^_^

[vernal crest]

No, not for vanilla. Pau is just so used to drawing their own stuff that they jumped straight to assuming that's what you were doing lol

[naive wyvern]

My bad, aba is right

[vernal crest]

Just find a vanilla map that has the window you want to use and then check what it's doing and copy that.

[sour sleet]

Oh gotcha haha

[naive wyvern]

I thought you were doing a tilesheet from scratch

[dusk mulch]

Wait, can you set any tile to a day/night tile? Since you just put in the sprite index?

[sour sleet]

I am making a custom tilesheet, yes but I am using a lot of vanilla stuff too!

[naive wyvern]

Theoretically, yeah

[dusk mulch]

Huh, Alright.

I feel like I should make a spreadhseet to help people with sprite index's... But I am too lazy.

[vernal crest]

Which sprites?

[eternal marten]

hey, is it open source

[vernal crest]

Is what open source?

[dusk mulch]

I meant on the tilesheets for maps.

[naive wyvern]

Its just putting in the corresponding sprite indexes
Plus its not that hard to count what the sprite index is, i usually just plop the image in Tiled, check what their coordinate is, and divide by 16

[eternal marten]

game mods

[naive wyvern]

But i understand wanting to count faster than what Im doing

[eternal marten]

or. in other words does it have docs

is it documented

[naive wyvern]

Framework mods have docs on how to use them usually if thats what youre asking

[dusk mulch]

insert that one agreeing reaction here, i dont have nitro so i cant use it

[uncut viper]

theres over 33,000 mods for stardew valley. you're gonna need to be more specific

[dusk mulch]

Not all mods are open source. Some are, some arn't. CP has documentation if that is what you mean

[sour sleet]

33,000 is crazy

[eternal marten]

I'm not asking if mods themselves are open source, I meant the Documentation on how to make mods

[uncut viper]

!startmodding

[ocean sail]

Making mods can be broadly divided into two categories:

• Content packs are formatted text files, and don't need any programming knowledge. They can add/edit NPCs, maps, new items, shops, and more. To get started, see the list of framework mods, the wiki tutorial for Content Patcher, and there might be relevant guides on the tutorial wiki.
• C# mods use programming code to change fundamental game mechanics. See getting started with C# modding.

Usually it’s easier to start with making content packs, since you don't need to learn programming.

To use this command, type !startmodding.

[lucid iron]

it would suck a lot of game modding is closed source somehow

[vernal crest]

Yes, there is plenty of documentation on how to make mods. Follow the links in Governor's message.

[dusk mulch]

It is kind of confusing that the action documentation is on github and the other documentation is on the wiki. (I am talking about the CP documentation)

[vernal crest]

I can get that, but it wouldn't make sense to have the documentation for a mod on the wiki.

[latent mauve]

^

[dusk mulch]

How many people use CP compared to C#?

[vernal crest]

There are about 10,500 CP mods tracked compared to about 3,200 C# mods.

[uncut viper]

the modding namespace on the wiki is not meant to cater to the majority owning mod. its meant to serve as a repo for knowledge about modding the game, however you may mod it. this includes CP, C#, Lua, XNB, FashionSense, FTM...

[dusk mulch]

Fair enough then

[uncut viper]

there is some CP specific information on there but its the exception that proves the rule

[modest dagger]

To anyone who uses notepad++ here can I have multiple windows of it open and if so how?

[lucid iron]

if i were to write my own framework for editing data

i can still direct people to the wiki to learn about game

[vernal crest]

Even though all modding is done through SMAPI (right?) even the SMAPI documentation is not on there (though much of the C# information is SMAPI-specific, it's not about how to use SMAPI itself).

[uncut viper]

xnb mods dont require smapi

the API reference on there is SMAPI specific

so it is just about how to use SMAPI

the difference there is that aside from xnb mods, every mod uses SMAPI. every single one.

if someone else made an alternative mod loader that wasnt SMAPI that got popular, it'd be on there too

either that or neither of them would be, if they both were developed and released at the same time

[vernal crest]

Oh yes I forgot xnb mods. They are so limited that they slip off my radar.

[uncut viper]

the only place to find SMAPI documentation is the stardew wiki

[vernal crest]

Actually, maybe I am misunderstanding how they work. An xnb mod that affected Data/Machines, for example - that would be essentially removed by adding another xnb mod for the same asset, right? Because in installing the second xnb mod you'd just overwrite the first one? Unless someone actually edited the xnb from the first mod to add their changes to it?

[uncut viper]

yes

that is, in practice, what Content Patcher does

with a lot of bells and whistles on top

[sour sleet]

Oh, my windows are messed up now T-T

They look fine in Tiled but are like this since adding the Day and Night tiles

[ornate locust]

It looks like you put the bottom of the window in both spots in the day/night tiles

instead of the top of the window in the top spot and the bottom in the bottom spot

[dusk mulch]

I think you mean your win are messed up
‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ does

[sour sleet]

`This is the DayTile and the NightTile I've put on the map propertiesFront 9 1 288 Front 9 2 256

for the window pictured. Is it correct?

[sour sleet]

And could this be why the windows aren't dark despite it being night?

[vernal crest]

This is the wrong way around. 288 should be on the bottom like it is on the tilesheet.

It's confusing because vanilla lists the lower tile before the upper tile.

[ornate locust]

Yeah you got em backwards. Also that is only correct for the day tiles, night tiles would be 1253 and 1285

The unlit version of the window

That's why it's still lit, you put the lit tiles on night tiles too

[sour sleet]

Oh!!

Thank you both, I get it now

[rigid musk]

Does anyone know how the appearance system works I seem to be incapable of understanding it without assistance - I just want to have his outfit/portrait change during winter with it remaining the same through the other seasons like in vanilla

[brittle pasture]

basically, go down the list, lowest precedence first, pick an entry - if entry condition matches, applies textures

[uncut viper]

pick multiple entries* if they all match

then a weighted random choice

[sour sleet]

My NPC isn't loading into the game, what does this error mean? https://smapi.io/log/3ae2cf218b8349ab81b2ca95c7a7db60

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.10 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows 11 Home, with 12 C# mods and 4 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[uncut viper]

what does your json look like?

[brittle pasture]

yeah you can have multiple as well
winter outfit should be simple to copy from the vanilla NPCs

[sour sleet]

https://smapi.io/json/none/e5c2996210a848f7ad128374271c4170

[brisk wedge]

Does anyone know what

This mod failed in the GameLoop.GameLaunched event. Technical details:
ArgumentException: Unhandled proxy/conversion method for info: ProxyInfo{target: TypeInfo{context: spacechase0.GenericModConfigMenu, type: GenericModConfigMenu.Framework.Api, GenericModConfigMenu, Version=1.14.1.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null}, proxy: TypeInfo{context: me.ModName, type: GenericModConfigMenu.IGenericModConfigMenuApi, ModName, Version=1.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null}}
 ---> ArgumentException: The IGenericModConfigMenuApi interface defines method AddTextOption which doesn't exist in the API or depends on an interface that cannot be mapped!

means?

[uncut viper]

your AddTextOption function signature is incorrect

[uncut viper]

what about the json with your Loads? also, is there a specific reason you're using TextureName?

[sour sleet]

Oh, how do I load her otherwise?

[uncut viper]

the TextureName changes the default thing the game looks for for portraits. right now, you've set it to look for Portraits/TracyLilybrook/TracyLilybrook

not her. her portraits

and sprites

[brittle pasture]

(also not related to solving your problem but I recommend putting {{ModId}} in your character id to avoid collision)

[uncut viper]

so Characters/TracyLilybrook/TracyLilybrook too

TextureName is optional and theres often very little reason to ever make it not be null

(and by null i mean just not written in your json)

id also recommend switching to the standard ModId convention too as Selph says, for your location too

[sour sleet]

Oh I think I know the problem

[uncut viper]

your location name is unique right now too but its in reverse order from standard. wont cause problems but. yknow. isnt standard. some mods (like LA) rely on standards

[sour sleet]

I forgot to load Tracy's sprites and portraits

[uncut viper]

that would do it. but do make sure you remove the TextureName line

[sour sleet]

Ok I will do. Should I change my ModId do you think?

[uncut viper]

yes

or well, not the modid itself

but add it to all your internal ids yes

so character internal names, location internal names, etc

mail flags, item ids, whatever

[sour sleet]

Yep will update everything now

[uncut viper]

standard modid format is Author.ModName so itd just be 8BitAlien.Lilybrook

[tidal stone]

is there a recolor guide i can look at as far as like what all i should recolor for a base recolor of sdv i know like grass and dirt and probably trees and bushes but i dont wanna miss anything

[uncut viper]

easy way would probably be to download something like Earthy and see what it recolours

[tidal stone]

ok

[uncut viper]

tried and true method of "people have probably already complained to them enough thru the years that i can trust theyve missed nothing by now"

[tidal stone]

thats true :3

i think imma do a recolor of resources as well but have that seperate and then maybe the tall grass be a config you ncan turn on and off in case people wanna use different grasses :>

ive never messed with jewel tones so its gonna take me a bit ^^

[odd ginkgo]

hi all!

so let's say you've made a custom location

and you want that it to be ALWAYS raining in that location

how... would one do that? LocationContexts?

I'm becoming convinced its impossible lol

[brittle pasture]

add the map property LocationContext with the value YourCustomIdHere to the map

[uncut viper]

you can put it in its own LocationContext and set that context's Weather

[odd ginkgo]

ohhh

as in, in Tiled itself

omg that makes so much sense

[brittle pasture]

yes
and then as Button said, edit Data/LocationContexts with YourCustomIdHere key and set it to always rain

[uncut viper]

you can look at how the Desert does it in Data/LocationContexts as an example, it has a single WeatherCondition that is always true for sunny

[odd ginkgo]

ty so much, going to go test it out now

ya'll are amazing

IT WORKED

amazing

I should have come and asked for help from the start haha

[boreal belfry]

I think I have learned enough to ask the right question. I have two mods wich are utilizing two vanila town building assets through Tiled. Is there a way to make a CP patch that will effect one but not the other?

I suspect the answer is no but I want to be sure

[rocky copper]

Assets as in tilesheets? Effect how?

[boreal belfry]

is it okay to talk about personal mods specifically I am not sure what the etiquette is

[uncut viper]

as long as they dont violate server rules

and as long as you arent distributing assets from another mod without permission

[boreal belfry]

thanks!

so I am specifically trying to change the shed in aimon's custom quarry wich uses the hat mouse house. when mods that affect the image of the hat mouse change, so does the shed. However, Lacy the hat mouse npc also changes the img used for her house and thus also the Quarry shed.

[uncut viper]

one easy way (but not the only way) would be to have one patch only take affect when the location is Mountain, then

it will technically still change the texture of the hat mouse in the forest, but if you're not there to see it, it doesnt matter

the other way i could think of would be to just patch over top of one of the two houses with a map patch that uses a custom tilesheet

so you'd technically be using a different texture, and only in that one spot

[boreal belfry]

Oh, fascinating! thank you so much

[uncut viper]

(also ofc i say "only when in Mountain" but if you wanted to affect the hat mouse then itd be the opposite, only take affect in the Forest)

[dusk mulch]

If I set the Summer, Winter, Fall and spring objects to T on map properties, do they automatically appear or do I need FTM?

[rocky copper]

Hey, I'm testing out a couple options that involve changing the Type and Category of some custom objects and within the last 20 minutes or so the game just, like, stopped reading any changes I make between restarts? It was working and now it's not.

[dusk mulch]

Can you send an SMAPI log and a JSON?

Also were you restarting the game entirely or just using patch reload?

[rocky copper]

Restarting entirely

This what you need?

[ocean sail]

Log found, uploaded to: https://smapi.io/log/410388b1bc704fbaaabff33f33acabe2

[dusk mulch]

Yeah

[uncut viper]

1. you dont need to restart the game completely most of the time, you can do patch reload YourModId as Person says
2. are you spawning in new items every time?

[rocky copper]

The items come from a custom building with item conversions; the items were ready to be picked up from the building when I start the day

But I was seeing the changes and now I'm not

[uncut viper]

some data is saved to the item permanently, some is not

try spawning in a completely new item after you make your change

[rocky copper]

Hmm.

[uncut viper]

Type in particular is saved

[rocky copper]

Of course.

[uncut viper]

to me it sounds like the building was technically processed the night before and the item created

and thus saved

[rocky copper]

So it was probably a fluke that it actually worked at one point?

And it's currently behaving how it's supposed to

[uncut viper]

without knowing what you changed or when its hard to tell, but my first guess would be that you just happened to change some data that gets reconstructed every time

i can never remember what all is cached and saved in the item instance itself

[rocky copper]

I'll try with freshly made items, that's good info about how type is saved.

[uncut viper]

but its always a good idea to spawn new items when making any object data changes

just to be sure

[rocky copper]

Some kind of cache is what I was afraid of, it just felt like it was being inconsistent about what was being cached

While I'm here, does anyone know if there's a way to make an object unshippable but sellable at specific shops?

[uncut viper]

if it felt inconsistent then thats bc it probably is haha

user-facing text isnt saved if you use tokenizable strings at least

[dusk mulch]

To let forageables spawn in a location, do I need FTM? Or just set the Season_Object map property?

[vernal crest]

It is for rings!

[uncut viper]

i dont know for sure if this would work, but i know if you have no Type at all its unshippable, and i think maybe setting the shop's SalableItemTags to a custom context tag and then giving that item that tag might work?

[uncut viper]

to be faaaiiirrr
Rings arent Objects

[vernal crest]

They kind of are in that they are type (O)?

And also in Data/Objects

[uncut viper]

but their C# class of the Ring itself is not an Object

[rocky copper]

Lol, that's exactly what I tried when things started going wrong. I'm gonna try it again with fresh objects, it might have been something else messing up

[vernal crest]

Yeah I know but that's not visible on the wiki lol

[dusk mulch]

Bump

[sour sleet]

I don’t think you need FTM but it certainly makes things easier

[brave fable]

your last message isnt even off the screen yet lol

[dusk mulch]

I have a small moniter

[dusk mulch]

So do I just set the Winter/Summer/Fall/Spring_Object map property?

[vernal crest]

Are you asking because you've tried and it didn't work?

[dusk mulch]

I tried it in one of my other mods and it didn't work so I am trying to figure out if that is what you are supposed to do or not.

I will try again

[vernal crest]

What's your Data/Locations data like?

[sour sleet]

If I’m not using FTM, I personally put the data in locations.json

[dusk mulch]

What...? I am just setting the map property.

[vernal crest]

Did you read the maps page entry for it?

"Whether to spawn seasonal objects on spawnable tiles based on the data in Data\Locations.xnb."

[calm nebula]

This map property does nothing

[uncut viper]

(i was curious abt smth so i checked: correct its cached for a patch reload. but it does update the user-facing text on a full restart! so its not the worst )

[calm nebula]

Data/Locations has it but FTM may be easier

[dusk mulch]

sigh

[dusk mulch]

I will see if I can get Data/Locations to work for me

[vernal crest]

Yeah I knew that but forgot to specify it's just until restart.

[rigid musk]

Would I load the winter sprite just the same as the other one? And would I add an entry for each season (even if the other three are the same outfit)?

[vernal crest]

Look at the vanilla NPCs, it will show you how the Appearance part of it works. Load the Winter sprite, but give it a different Target or it will overwrite the non-winter sprite.

[uncut viper]

it does spawn things when a GameLocation is first constructed. also, it'll do it in your FarmHouse too if you have it set there with forceLoadObjects also applied

(though in the FarmHouse case, you really... dont want it to. its every time you upgrade your house or your spouse room changes lol)

[dusk mulch]

Well Data/Locations was alot easier for me it turns out

[rocky copper]

Anyone know what the formatting would be to add context tags to shops' "SalableItemTags" field? Would it need to be an Append action to simply add to the list without needing to rewrite the whole thing?

[uncut viper]

SalableItemTags is a list of strings so you can just use targetfield to get to it then add entries like anything else

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/action-editdata.md#edit-a-list

[rocky copper]

Ohhh, okay

[uncut viper]

er

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/action-editdata.md#edit-object-context-tags

more relevant link

[calm nebula]

Huh

Weird

[uncut viper]

if ((this.isOutdoors.Value || this.name.Equals("BathHouse_Entry") || this.treatAsOutdoors.Value || this.map.Properties.ContainsKey("forceLoadObjects")) && pathsLayer != null)
    {
        this.loadPathsLayerObjectsInArea(0, 0, this.map.Layers[0].LayerWidth, this.map.Layers[0].LayerHeight);
        if (!Game1.eventUp && this.HasMapPropertyWithValue(this.GetSeason().ToString() + "_Objects"))
        {
            this.spawnObjects();
        }
    }

[vernal crest]

Are you able to interpret that to layperson speak, please? Specifically the bit about first constructing the GameLocation. I want to edit the wiki now to avoid this happening again in future but I've already run out of energy for the day so I don't know how to do it. It's ok if you don't want to though :)

[uncut viper]

this is in the base GameLocation which setMapForUpgradeLevel and showSpouseRoom call

uhhh

[calm nebula]

Spawnobjects shouldn't look at that though

It looks at data/locations

And spawnobjects is called....a lot

Repeatedly

[vernal crest]

Basically I need to know if I should tell people "don't bother with this property ever, go straight to Data/Locations" or "use this property in X condition, otherwise go to Data/Locations".

[uncut viper]

i mean it does yes, but my point was that the map property DOES do something

it will make them spawn again under those 3 circumstances if there is data to spawn them

[calm nebula]

Don't bother with the property and use data/locations

[uncut viper]

if you put that map property in your farmhouse alongside the force map property, you will get shit spawning in your house every time you divorce

which, like, is maybe fair

[calm nebula]

Don't do that

[uncut viper]

id agree you shouldnt do really use or rely on it

but you can

[calm nebula]

Memo to self: spawn trash in the farmhouse with map property

[vernal crest]

Did it once have the purpose of spawning forage and has become obsolete for that?

I mean as the primary way to spawn forage

[uncut viper]

i dont know if i can explain it to a layperson bc i dont know for sure how to describe when a gamelocation is constructed via that constructor

[calm nebula]

I don't think it was ever used by the game itself

[vernal crest]

It is present in vanilla maps though. I wonder why if it wasn't used.

[rigid musk]

YEAHHH he's PURPLE! YEAHHH (thank you guys)

[uncut viper]

was he not purple before

[rigid musk]

no hes blue

[uncut viper]

damn. im a fake qi fan i guess

[rigid musk]

[uncut viper]

honestly shocking that i dont know as much about Mr Qi as Lily of Friendable Mr Qi fame

shocking i tell you

[vernal crest]

That's okay, it sounds like it's not actually a useful property for someone who isn't already capable of poking through the code because they want to do wacky things, except possibly in extreme edge cases.

[rigid musk]

Button I thought you were the #1 Qi Knowledge Expert though O: I thought you knew every thing about him down to the pixel OOO:

[uncut viper]

yeah thats true. btw you have one pixel thats off by #0020F0 on his shirt

[rigid musk]

Aw darn... looks like I gotta scrap everything and start over

[uncut viper]

ive memorized every individual hex code pixel

[rigid musk]

(Ironically I was missing a pixel for one of his portraits... I didn't even realize until I went in to give him the purple fit for winter)

[uncut viper]

if you wanted to add something to the wiki id mention that it only ever actually does anything in niche circumstances and is not actually checked seasonally

along with maybe jujst "You shouldn't use this map property." maybe lol

[vernal crest]

Thanks, I will :) Would you be willing to check for me if the other forage-related map properties work as listed in the wiki? Again, ok if the answer is no :)

[uncut viper]

what other ones are there

ForceSpawnForageables?

[vernal crest]

Yes, and SpawnBeachFarmForage, SpawnForestFarmForage

[uncut viper]

those two i can only assume works bc the farms theyre used on work

[vernal crest]

Couldn't you assume with that reasoning that season_Objects work because they're on the Forest map and forage spawns there?

[uncut viper]

it does look like ForceSpawnForageables does call a bunch of the same object spawning as the Data/Locations stuff

no i cant assume that bc they dont do anythin

[vernal crest]

Yeah but if you didn't know that

[uncut viper]

and they do work!

once

[vernal crest]

I'm saying that what if the Beach spawns happen somewhere else

And the map property SpawnBeachFarmForage is just there being pretty and useless

[uncut viper]

pretty sure the Season_Objects stuff does happen on a new save at the very least

also ForceSpawnForageables makes the same stuff happen that any outdoor location would have happen that did not have skipWeedGrowth applied

bu without it needing to be outdoors

so yeah the wiki is correct there

the other two are checked in functions whose entire purpose is to check for that property on Farm

and return true/false

so yes they also work

[vernal crest]

Awesome, thank you for checking them

forceLoadObjects isn't on the wiki, should it be added?

[uncut viper]

its only purpose is to make Season_Objects happen and only in the case of a gamelocation being created, your farmhouse upgrading, or your spouse room changing

[rocky copper]

Okay yeah, this works perfectly

[vernal crest]

Then nope lol

[uncut viper]

so like.... i guess.... its quite useless though

but if Atra wants to spawn trash in the farmhouse on divorce, its required

unless you turn the farmhouse into an outdoors location

[vernal crest]

I'd be surprised if Atra goes to the wiki to find anything out when making mods lol

[uncut viper]

Atra still has leftover stuff to fill out on the wiki that they think we've all forgotten

im not letting them off the hook

not until i know whether or not SetNpcInvisible and SetNpcVisible can be called from a farmhand

[vernal crest]

xD

[grand edge]

is there any reason why season_day dialogue would be overwritten by regular weekday_heart dialogue? i have comments about squidfest and other passive festivals getting overwritten 😔

[uncut viper]

the reason is bc thats how it is. season keys have priority over non-seasonal keys

[grand edge]

what should i replace them with then?

[vernal crest]

They're listed in precedence order on the wiki.

[uncut viper]

<season>_<key>_inlaw_<spouse>
<season>_<key>
<key>_inlaw_<spouse>
<key>
thats the priority order, where <key> is e.g. dayOfWeek or dayOfWeek_Hearts

(priority from top to bottom)

wait, i read your messsage wrong

season_day is the one being overwritten?

[grand edge]

yeah i was like wait, yeah

[vernal crest]

So something like spring_10 is being overwritten by Sun4?

[grand edge]

yup

[vernal crest]

Ignore that the date does not match the day lol

But only during passive festivals?

[uncut viper]

im assuming they dont get overwritten when you test on your own mod list?

also, is it a custom NPC's dialogue or a vanilla one?

[grand edge]

let me check

[grand edge]

custom npc with content patcher

[vernal crest]

Also when you say overwritten, do you mean the lines actually change to new values or simply that the NPC uses one dialogue key when you expect them to use another?

[grand edge]

he uses one key when i expect the other

[versed wyvern]

Just to cover all bases are you in year 1? There's this part about it being specific to Y1

[grand edge]

nope

this save is year 5...

[vernal crest]

So your dialogue key should be spring_10_2

[grand edge]

gotcha

[uncut viper]

remember you need to treat everything after the <season>_ part as the key by itself, so it follows the rules in the table in the wiki

[grand edge]

it worked thank you!

[uncut viper]

spring_10 is just the "10" key but for spring, and the "10" key is first year only

since its just DayOfMonth

(and then similar for the _inlaw_<spouse> postfixes too ofc)

... suffixes

[vernal crest]

Too much Harmony

[uncut viper]

not enough space

[dusk mulch]

Can I send my mod to someone so they can try and diagnose why my trigger action/player_stat isnt working? I have tried almost everythhing I can think of

[rigid musk]

Is there a different appearance thing that needs to be done for the desert + ginger island?

(i mean its kinda clear there is cause he switches back to being blue while there 😔 )

[versed wyvern]

There was a section about an island-specific flag needing to be set for the beach outfit, which also apparently prevents the appearance from being used elsewhere

[vernal crest]

Yes because there's no winter in those locations

[rigid musk]

i guess that makes sense

[vernal crest]

Do you want him to be in his purple there only during Winter season?

[rigid musk]

yes

[vernal crest]

I think you might be able to do that by using a GSQ in the Condition field to check for the season instead of the Season field because you can use LOCATION_SEASON <location> [<season>] to check for the season back in the Valley.

[vernal crest]

Sure you can send it to me

[rigid musk]

This worked thank yo uso much Aba!

[novel dune]

perfect, thanks mate

[dusk mulch]

well now that i have released 2.0.0 of SITW i have a decision to make…

work on More Secret Notes or start on learning C#

[hard fern]

What do you need C# for?

[fathom hound]

Have so many mod ideas if I knew C#

[dusk mulch]

i want to add a new inventory page

welp, time to go learn

Do I NEED IDE for C#?

[uncut viper]

your experience will feel like shit if you dont have one

but no, you dont

[dusk mulch]

ughhhh bugger it i will stick to CP

[uncut viper]

there are free IDEs

[dusk mulch]

i want to learn C#, i just dont want to have to download so much

[vernal crest]

Downloading things is the tip of the effort iceberg for learning C#

[dusk mulch]

Fine, I will do it...

But I refuse to use VSC

[uncut viper]

if you mean VS Code, that isnt even an IDE

[fathom hound]

VS is though, right?

[uncut viper]

VS Community is yes

[dusk mulch]

oh well i will use rider

1.4 GB?!

[brave fable]

does it need to be able to compile to be considered an ide?

[uncut viper]

i would consider building/compiling/debugging to be necessary before id call it an IDE instead of a sparkling text editor

[blissful panther]

Then VSCode is an IDE for a fair few languages!

[uncut viper]

as i see you are both typing please note that i said "id" not "anyone'd"

[blissful panther]

(I don't enjoy VSCode, though. I have an allergy to Electron... I say while using it right now.)

[uncut viper]

what can VSCode compile without an extension?

[blissful panther]

Ah, if your bar is sans extensions, then nothing, yeah.

[brave fable]

say what you want, but the vscode plugin marketplace is leagues better than whatever sad offerings vscommunity has

electron giveth back

[uncut viper]

i think if i download a program and i cannot immediately do those things in it, i can hardly say i downloaded an IDE, personally

[blissful panther]

You downloaded a text editor with IDE plugins, yeah.

[uncut viper]

if i even have internet access to get those plugins!

i could be installing it fresh from an install usb

[brave fable]

good luck doing that with any microsoft product

vscomm hasn't got a leg up there

[uncut viper]

i mean VSCode does just have a .zip portable version you can download

[blissful panther]

But what about Curso- /j

[brave fable]

in any case, there's an embedded terminal in vscode, it's trivial to say that it can't compile when the only step removed is having to type dotnet build or npm run build instead of pressing a big green button

[uncut viper]

id sooner expect cursor to format my flash drive than put something on it correctly

i dont think whether its trivial or not changes my personal definitions

is the terminal itself an IDE, then

if i write my code with nano and then run dotnet build, have i created an ide

[brave fable]

.

[dusk mulch]

I think I get what coding is now... Just cry and bang your head against your keyboard until your computer listens to you!

[marble verge]

Good morning. Does Priority apply to Includes?

[uncut viper]

no. includes are entirely just for your own personal organization

[marble verge]

According to patch summary it seems to apply, but the JSON validator throws a warning.

[uncut viper]

there is no functional difference between a mod with 100 includes and that same mod with no includes and everything in one file

[dusk mulch]

and that is why i love them

[uncut viper]

did you set the validator to Content Patcher mode?

[calm nebula]

Button, you're purple!

[uncut viper]

bc it will complain about no format line but thats bc it doesnt know its an include

atra you must be doing this on purpose by now

[marble verge]

Yip.

[dusk mulch]

Violet, you're violet!

[uncut viper]

if the only complaint the validator has is about the format line, ignore it.

[marble verge]

Okay.

[dusk mulch]

I feel like I have more knowledge of this game through modding it then playing it...

[calm nebula]

You're more purple than what I remember!

Are you not more purple?

[uncut viper]

let me check

nope, dont think so

[strong kettle]

idk if this is right channel to ask but does anyone have an up to date robin speed build mod that works?? all the ones ive tried adding to my game are out of date and dont work

[uncut viper]

#modded-stardew is the right place

does the save serializer still explode if all my subclass does is override methods and doesnt actually add any new fields/properties?

[fair estuary]

Howdy y'all. New here and trying to learn. 🥰 Anyone have recommendations on how they got started

[uncut viper]

!startmodding the tutorials here for most people i think

[ocean sail]

Making mods can be broadly divided into two categories:

• Content packs are formatted text files, and don't need any programming knowledge. They can add/edit NPCs, maps, new items, shops, and more. To get started, see the list of framework mods, the wiki tutorial for Content Patcher, and there might be relevant guides on the tutorial wiki.
• C# mods use programming code to change fundamental game mechanics. See getting started with C# modding.

Usually it’s easier to start with making content packs, since you don't need to learn programming.

To use this command, type !startmodding.

[dusk mulch]

So I am trying to start on the C# tutorial mod...

[vernal crest]

I started because I wanted my farmhouse to have a bathroom and it was soon enough after 1.6 came out that there weren't any reliably working bathroom mods lol

[vernal crest]

Did you add the NuGet package?

[fair estuary]

That's pretty cool.

I'd love a "ki" system to be able to use magic powers that you get from special crops. But it's only useable during mining

[dusk mulch]

The- what?

oh.

The 1 step I missed...

[vernal crest]

Achievable, though I'd be surprised if it could be achieved without C#

[fair estuary]

Wouldn't surprise me since it would be something that lives outside existing mechanics

[dusk mulch]

How do I download the NuGet package?

I don't understand it

[vernal crest]

Did you click on the "how to add the package" link?

[dusk mulch]

Yes

Oh wait

I am on the wrong tab

OMG IT WORKED

I BUILT MY FIRST C# MOD

[vernal crest]

I thought it was folder name

[fathom hound]

I didn’t even realize load order had any impact

[fair estuary]

Congrats what did you make

[unreal spoke]

!loadorder
It’s the folder name, but priorities or false dependencies are probably the better way to go.

[ocean sail]

When two mods edit the same dialogue or images, whichever edit is applied last "wins" and is the one you see in the game.

If the mods don't set edit priorities (which most don't), that order is mainly determined by the order the mods were loaded by SMAPI. You can change that mod load order to influence the edit order.

To use this command, type !loadorder.

[hallow prism]

There are other options dependi g of the goal

[fathom hound]

Ahhh I see makes sense

[hallow prism]

Yeah those

[dusk mulch]

It was just the tutorial mod but still, it took me like 3 years to get to this point...

that sounds sad when i say it out loud

[fair estuary]

Nah an achievement is an achievement good job

[vernal crest]

If it's just for your own use folder name is okay but if you're publishing this mod, don't rely on that.

[cunning kiln]

If you're still hanging around, what I've found most effective was minor tweaks to mods for personal use. (Changing prices, etc.) That got me familiar with the content patcher formatting.

[fair estuary]

I think in my mind, using existing stuff in different ways is cool, but the stuff I want to try and do will be addidtive so I think it’s going to have to be c#

[fair estuary]

Thank you 😊 I should play with that just to get familiar

[cunning kiln]

The other key is to not get too ambitious at first. I have a file full of mods that I'll probably never complete because the scope was too large😅

[fair estuary]

Wonder if adding in new animals can be done by content patcher or if that will need c#

[vernal crest]

CP

[fair estuary]

Though there may already exist mods for adding more animals anyway

[cunning kiln]

There are a lot of mods that add more animals -- that's a great chance to look to see how the code works in action.

(Also, creating new animals is a good chance to learn pixel art.)

Here's a newbie question for everyone else: if you need to find betas and you aren't big enough to have your own discord, where should you ask? The modded-farmers channel?

[dusk mulch]

Where would I find the API for the inventory?

[hallow prism]

I believe this is fine if you dont spam but no idea of how successful this is

[cunning kiln]

(Usually I'm the opposite of spam -- I've been on this Discord for 2.5 years and I'm still green😂 )

[dusk mulch]

OHHHH I GET C# EVENTS NOW

i hate it.

but i love it too

[marble verge]

Is there an Entries tag to exclude an item from having to be cooked?

[vernal crest]

What do you mean by "having to be cooked"?

[marble verge]

For food items that do not have a corresponding recipe.

[vernal crest]

Do you mean for perfection or something?

Because if there's no recipe they can't be cooked and therefore there's no need to worry about stopping the user from cooking them.

[marble verge]

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. My bad. Good to know!

[vernal crest]

There should be a field to exclude from collections, I've just lost the page

[marble verge]

Yeah, from random sale, fishing collection and shipping collection. There was nothing about cooking, which is why I asked.

[vernal crest]

I think my brain may finally be clunking into place. Do you want to have a cooking recipe that is excluded from the perfection count?

[marble verge]

No, I wanted to exclude food and drinks that can be bought or found but not cooked - but I guess I won't have to worry about that 🙂

[vernal crest]

Oh then I was right the first time around haha

Yeah they'd have to be a recipe to need to count for that

[uncut viper]

you wont be able to exclude them from the collections page though

[marble verge]

Yeah, I figured - but it's the same for minerals, so it is what it is.

[vernal crest]

Does this mean that if a mod adds food that can't be cooked, it will just be a silhouette forever?

[uncut viper]

i mean they will always appear greyed out

yes

[vernal crest]

That might explain why I keep being baffled at how many foods I have left on my collections page to cook despite having cooked nearly everything in the game.

[uncut viper]

the collections page checks every object. if its type Cooking or category 7, it checks if you've cooked it before

but you cant have cooked it without the recipe

[marble verge]

So giving it a different category would solve that problem... But would that affect anything else?

[uncut viper]

it would need to not be Cooking type either

[marble verge]

I was thinking of just setting them to 0.

[uncut viper]

it would affect gift tastes

[marble verge]

So those'd have to be added back in manually, huh.

[uncut viper]

also, NPCs wont comment on you purchasing them at random

if you purchase from their shop

it would also potentially affect Item delivery quests

[calm nebula]

Khloe plz

[uncut viper]

what about khloe

[vernal crest]

Atra just really misses her

[uncut viper]

is atra under the impression that Better Game Menu is actually also Better Collections Page

[gentle rose]

wishful thinking

[uncut viper]

hi iro

[gentle rose]

hi button

what have you broken recently

[uncut viper]

nothing broken, just once again lamenting that i need a whole spacecore dependency just to use the serializer

and the only other alternative is a big rework on a mod that is already behind schedule

[gentle rose]

your mods have schedules?

[uncut viper]

loosely

if i dont set personal deadlines for myself, i just dont do them

well, i dont do them anyway, but the schedules make me feel bad about not doing them, which sometimes(?) helps me be less behind schedule

[gentle rose]

just feel bad about not doing them without having schedules, it's what I do

[uncut viper]

see the thing is ideally they do get done eventually,

therefore I need the schedule

[gentle rose]

I think the next mod I'll actively work on is the one that dehardcodes most of the gender stuff tbh

and allows people to set per-NPC custom alternatives

[uncut viper]

it sounds like you'll be faced with the same kind of daunting task as i am for my other mod

so, godspeed

<--- has to inspect and patch/account for 274+ methods

[serene tapir]

Quick question since you said this is for personal use- are you using cfdes config?

If CFDE is loading last, change the relevant npc to random in our config, and it'll only load half the time, so the other dialogue can load the other half of the time and you can have both dialogues

[shut mountain]

I yearn to create items

I don't know what to make tho, and I suck at sprite art ;-;

[vernal crest]

You could try browsing free sprite packs and see if any of them are crying out to be added to the game (being very careful to check the licence if you decide to publish the mod).

[shut mountain]

Okay! :D

[hard fern]

I do know itch.io has some free use sprite packs people put up

[shut mountain]

That's where I am now

[deep cypress]

Start with a few items which heavily use ingame art. Like, mix pieces from one thing or another. Steal from Temporary Sprites. Rob Cursors like a maniac. Keep doing it, and the flow of it will come to you.

[shut mountain]

Lol okay. I can do that (maybe)

[deep cypress]

Yayy!!!! Some of those dialogues are a deep dig!

[deep cypress]

I just invented a new fantasy metal: Marikalasa. Lighter than mirthril (maybe), stronger than adamantium (dubiously), more magical than vibranium (questionably), cheaper than iridium (definitely not)(n yes I kno iridium is real, it's on sites of... weaponry n stuff). Marikalasa means sea-cakes. Mari being proto-germanic, kalas being slavic (usually it's kinda got a more sh sound at the end, but mermaids, being what we are, we slide easily into the softening of sounds).

The Marikalasa Breastplate will give some very good stats indeed, but probably be like only 1/5000 to drop from a barrell, or something.

(What's even funnier is if you drop the -asa, Marikal sounds almost like miracle...)

[fathom hound]

Hey guys, would it be okay if I made a thread specifically pertaining to game code & not really about mod making questions? I know people have questions but not mod related and I’m not sure where to direct them

[blissful panther]

I don't see a problem with it!

[fathom hound]

Thanks

[drifting dune]

Agreed, thanks

[fathom hound]

Non-Mod Related Q&A Thread

There ya go! @drifting dune

OMG CRAP I’m sorry I didn’t mean to lock it

[drifting dune]

[fathom hound]

@blissful panther can I get it unlocked I’m so sorry LMAO

[drifting dune]

haha it's fine

[fathom hound]

I’m sleep deprived and it shows

Post ur Q here for now and I’ll repost in there I’m so sorry Crush

[drifting dune]

It's not a problem 🙂 no need for apologies, you're already doing me a favour

[blissful panther]

And done!

[fathom hound]

Thank you

[drifting dune]

Thanks 😄

[brittle pasture]

I think we do that here all the time?

[fathom hound]

Do we? I thought they were just personal threads showcasing stuff

Just wanted to make sure it was appropriate

[brittle pasture]

as in ask questions about game code in the main channel without strictly relating to a mod

[fathom hound]

Yeah that’s why I sent him here! But I felt like a thread might’ve been more appropriate maybe

[brittle pasture]

a thread is totally fine too of course, the main issue with threads is visibility

[fathom hound]

Feel bad it’s called making-mods and it wasn’t about a mod

[fathom hound]

Agreed. If only discord notified in the main channels of thread activity

Do you know this btw Selph? #1352292797457104966 message

[brittle pasture]

rng stuff is beyond me I'm afraid
I recall atra having done extensive work on it, but they're not active rn + they may not see the question

[drifting dune]

That's okay, it's quite niche anyway

[tidal stone]

ik you can with the flowers but do you think i could recolor crops and have them random colors t oo 🤔

probably actually silly q

i just thought i might make rainbow carrots in sdv XD

[lucid iron]

You can't do it with regrowable crops

But it should be possible

[tidal stone]

i just thought it would be fun to add a little variety to it yknow

i think ill work on that later then ty ty

[rocky copper]

Hey, I've got a custom shop selling a custom item for a combination of a trade in item and the shop's currency (Qi Gems), but it won't display the Qi Gems in the menu. It will display them in the menu if I'm trading Qi Gems but not as the currency. It won't display them as the currency even when the trade item isn't there. It does display them in the pop out menu. Any ideas?

[brittle pasture]

did you set the shop's currency field

[rocky copper]

Yeah

[brittle pasture]

as in the global field and not just the individual item's trade item, just to clarify

[rocky copper]

Yeah, global for the shop

[brittle pasture]

ah yeah I read your question more closely

hmm might be a game limitation?

[rocky copper]

I was afraid of that

[brittle pasture]

do you have item extensions, I think it fixes it

by changing the shop menu to show multiple trade items

[rocky copper]

I don't.

This is a small part of a much bigger mod that so far has only used Content Patcher and FTM, I wouldn't really want to add another dependency just for this.

I tried with other currencies, and they work. Just Qi Gems as a currency doesn't

[lucid iron]

Does it correctly cost you 40 qi gem and 3 tiger slime egg

[rocky copper]

Yeah

Oh wait, as in does it correctly charge me? I hadn't tested that

[lucid iron]

I think if it's mechanically correct then u can just tell people to use item extensions if it bothers them

[rocky copper]

Okay, checked, it does work

[lucid iron]

There's lots of fun things from item extensions tho

Custom ore nodes mainly

[rocky copper]

I'll have to look into it, I actually hadn't heard of that one

[gentle rose]

if the issue is it correctly showing the currency, then Lily had a similar issue, you can try looking through how Friendable Mr. Qi does it

though I can’t remember atp what broke which part

[rocky copper]

Ooh, thank you for this

[wet wadi]

Can modded NPCs receive birthday gifts?

[dreamy cedar]

I recently debugged an issue with Junimatic where, on some maps, there were places that Junimos would not animate correctly - I tracked that to the Junimo code calling the constructor for PathFindingController, which called PathFindingController.findPath which failed, and that was because there were some tiles which looked perfectly open, but GameLocation.isCollidingPosition returned true. And that was because the tile had a property, "NPCBarrier" set.

Now, it turns out that the "NPCBarrier" check will be skipped if your NPC's Name happens to contain "NPC", because of course it does. So I'm able to fix it just by prefixing my Junimo's names with "NPC_".

Anybody know any back story here? Is there a problem with using the name hack?

[lucid iron]

Yep just set their birthday in Data/Characters

[wet wadi]

I'm sorry, I don't know where I could do that (I'm very new to all of this)

[lucid iron]

!npc

[ocean sail]

Creating a Custom NPC

Keep in mind that making NPCs is a complex process that requires learning many different aspects of Stardew modding.
Here are a few links that can help get you started on all that you need to know:

• Tiakall has a great tutorial on making a custom NPC for 1.6.

• NPCs no longer use dispositions, check the wiki page for the new NPC data.

• Aviroen has put together a template that will allow you to easily create a romanceable NPC.

• Feel free to jump into the https://discord.com/channels/137344473976799233/1277457201077813280 thread for more interactive feedback and help!

• Fireredlily has a WIP NPC Builder Please do report any errors you get with it into the NPC thread!

To use this command, type !npc.

[lucid iron]

Take a look at the third link

[woeful iron]

Hello all! I'm beginning my road down modding lane! I have a software engineering and security engineering background. Deeply in love with open source software, so will be sharing my mod on my github

Does anyone know the license for the code on the wiki? I was going to fork the NPC example and tweak that.

But I can start from scratch to avoid any messiness

I know that may seem kind of absurd in this context, but I have to be sensitive as I am public facing.

[lucid iron]

License of code on the wiki

Which bit of code are you talking about

[woeful iron]

The creating an NPC example on the NPC page of the wiki

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:NPC_data

At the bottom

[brittle pasture]

Content is available under Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike unless otherwise noted.

that applies to wiki content as a whole

[woeful iron]

Oh! Thank you so much.

[lucid iron]

Ah i was confused because i thought c# code

[woeful iron]

I am very happy with that license

It makes me want to click on the chickens in appreciation

Okay, next question -- are there restrictions on outbound traffic from a mod?

and what is my access like to the file system?

Goodness, out of context that sounds sketchy

I essentially want my NPC to call a service setup by myself. File system access is not needed but I was curious about what security is in place to prevent MODs going rogue in that regard.

[iron ridge]

you are just a normal c# executable

[woeful iron]

Oh brilliant, and terrifying

[iron ridge]

you are limited by the permissions smapi has given its executor

e.g. you're not elevated unless smapi was ran as admin

[woeful iron]

Oh!

[iron ridge]

network traffic from mods is only allowed on nexus if you ask them

[lucid iron]

there are existing mods that call other services yea

Like discord rich presence

[woeful iron]

Wow, that's nice. Well I'm part of a team of two people and the other is WAY better at paperwork and applications than I amongst

[lucid iron]

Modding is all unofficial i recommend not worrying about it lol

We already broke into mr ape's backyard to mess with things

[woeful iron]

It's solving the problem of wanting to send network requests without requiring users run SMAPI with admin privs

What do you mean by only allowed on nexus?

[lucid iron]

Nexus policy says you can't have networking stuff in your mod without permission

SMAPI acquired permission

[iron ridge]

just email nexus during the week and wait a day or two, they're usually pretty quick

[lucid iron]

I don't quite understand this problem though

[iron ridge]

just include your mod attached, and ideally source

[woeful iron]

User experience

[lucid iron]

Do people need admin perm to run smapi on windows?

[woeful iron]

Maybe I misunderstood the statement made

[rancid musk]

They don't. And you don't need admin permission to do a network request.

[lucid iron]

Maybe you could tell us more about what you want your mod to do so we can give better answers

[rancid musk]

It's easy to do network requests from C#, though you need to deal with threading so... that's fun. (And by fun I mean not really fun.)

[uncut viper]

(small note but according to their rules the source code isnt actually optional in your request. dont know how much they enforce that)

[iron ridge]

ah

[brittle ledge]

I love weird bugs and workarounds like this. Junimos' deserve to be NPCs too

[brittle ledge]

FYI, the modding wiki has some templates and examples, which should be under default wiki perms. The templates are intended to be yoinked and used wholesale, so go nuts.

[woeful iron]

Awesome!!! Thank you so much.

[faint ingot]

I don't suppose there's a way in a content patcher mod for a map to have one map layer scroll on movement the way the summit does?

[brittle pasture]

yep, C#

though I think chu has/is working on a framework for that?

[lucid iron]

Knobs

Yeah i experimented with it briefly

[tawny ore]

If aeden was still around, 5 minutes after talking about that there would have been a mod for it

[rancid musk]

Thinking about aeden's mods is exhausting.

[lucid iron]

I don't think it's hard, but I can't directly reuse summit bg so i have to come up with draw code weh

[faint ingot]

Working on my first full outdoor map location, this is what I'm working with so far and thinking about how to manage the fog. Probably also will look at cloudy skies framework

[lucid iron]

If u have a particular sprite in mind i can try to make it work 4 u

Do u just want it fo scroll right in a loop

Or depend on player position

[tiny zealot]

i will need parallax bg for the expansion i'm not working on, so chu let me know if you finish it, or maybe i'll roll my own

[lucid iron]

Scroll right in a loop wouldn't need any framework actually, just a lot of animated map tiles

[faint ingot]

probably scrolling diagonally up/right in a loop, ideally shifting vertically with player position on top of that, but that might be a bit much

[uncut viper]

does the fog specifically need to be below the other map tiles and not overtop the whole screen

[faint ingot]

that would be like, 300 animated tiles which I'm sure I would mess up besides it being a lot of effort

yeah I think it needs to be layer specific

I will look at cloudy skies for a full screen fog effect for when you cross the bridge and go to the next map