making-mods-general

[lucid iron]

Indeed

[uncut viper]

which at that point is no real different than RTF

[reef kiln]

If that map was generated already, trees, bushes and such don't disappear when you add a patch.

[lucid iron]

i look forward to button-rtf

[uncut viper]

which has much more community knowledge on how to use

[hot gale]

Ah, yeah that is what I did

[uncut viper]

BETAS can delete your chests and furnaces if you use it wrong

[lucid iron]

But for you king kai it is probably a good idea to do the BETAS trigger in your mod

[uncut viper]

and fruit trees

[hot gale]

I'll look into that, thanks!

[lucid iron]

So that people who install your mod don't need to rtf manually

ClearTerrainFeatures is the name

[uncut viper]

https://stardew.button.gay/docs/betas/tractions#ClearTerrainFeatures

ClearObjects too, if you want, for weeds and such

[reef kiln]

If you start a brand new game. It should not be there. Otherwise use the terrian reset tool as other suggested. If it does show up on a new save, that's is a completely different problem. But is should not.

[lucid iron]

Was there a regenerate action too

[hot gale]

I imagine most people arent going to be making new saves just for my mod

[uncut viper]

not yet*

[lucid iron]

To setup bushes again

[reef kiln]

Most people know that a reset will be needed. It is a common problem adding stuff mid game.

[uncut viper]

i will likely make the RTF alternative first, then transplant some of that code into BETAS

[dusk mulch]

well i will work on my mod later, i have to get xrayed

[reef kiln]

There is even a mod for the specific issue.

[uncut viper]

i wonder if theres a good generic way to just auto detect collisions like that and remove them as necessary without user or mod input

like checking if theres a terrain feature on a tile with a Building layer tile or smth

though i guess theres nothing stopping yuou from purposely wanting that

[hot gale]

Is there an example somewhere for how to structure a BETAS trigger im a json newb

[uncut viper]

forgot they were two different Tiled layers for a moment

[lucid iron]

You can do that pretty easily it's just "will this scale well" and "ok but i want dis bush on dis building tile"

[uncut viper]

BETAS triggers are no differently structured than normal vanilla trigger actions

[lucid iron]

I wonder if u could like

Hash a map and detect changes...

[uncut viper]

how would that work for detecting new mods added mid save

theres no changes to detect when the collission is there from the time the game is launched/save is loaded

[reef kiln]

If you want the mod, or want to add a link to it in you mod description here it is. https://github.com/Lake1059/ResetTerrainFeatures_NET6/releases

[uncut viper]

that is not BETAS

[reef kiln]

Not that is the terrain reset mod. Does beta do terrain reset

If so that's great.

[uncut viper]

yeah thats what chu and i were talking about andf linking to

and what the message you replied to was asking about

[reef kiln]

Really cool. I will switch then.

[uncut viper]

BETAS has a trigger action that will clear terrain features in a location, optionally by type, and optionally by specific area

[lucid iron]

There's no switching

BETAS is for mod author usage in this case

[uncut viper]

RTF is for players to use to fix collisions themselves

BETAS for mod authors yaya

[lucid iron]

You can debug action blah blah if you want ofc

[hot gale]

Excuse my ignorance where exactly do I put the trigger 😭

[reef kiln]

Oh, i was giving it so he could add it for his users if they wanted it. Better if the mod does it itself though.

[uncut viper]

here is an example of a trigger action

[lucid iron]

So basically the button-rtf mod would need to make a hash of every location's map tiles and save it. Then whenever user adds a map changing mod, the tiles will change and so the hash will change, then you can actually do the expensive per tile comparison

[uncut viper]

ok. but what if they add button-RTF mid save

[lucid iron]

I think the main problem with this is intentional map changes for function

[uncut viper]

like if they added it to fix a collision

[lucid iron]

And yeah doesn't do shit if button rtf didn't know about previous state

[rancid musk]

Oh, Button. Someone actually did DM me thanks for helping with SPU, lol

[uncut viper]

and if the answer is "install it from the start of the save" then, well...

[lucid iron]

Unless idk, you ship it with vanilla hashes lol

[uncut viper]

was it about BGM or the performance

[rancid musk]

The performance.

[uncut viper]

oh wait

i forgot i told people to

[rancid musk]

Yeah, you did, lol

[uncut viper]

I stand by it

i think its very cute that someone actually did

[lucid iron]

The other dum idea i have is

Break into content patcher's house and steal the EditMap plans

[uncut viper]

also chu the other problem is that doesnt fix the "what if i WANT a tree path tile on the same place as my building tile"

[lucid iron]

The hashes thing doesn't care about the layers tho

[uncut viper]

im not at all sure how noticing a difference then matters if i dont know whether the difference is intentional

[lucid iron]

It is just going "hm tiles may have changed let's check everything"

But yeah I do feel like the hash approach is very sketchy

[uncut viper]

like, if i detect that there is now a building tile where there once was a bush. what if the mod author added an Action there purposely on the bush?

[reef kiln]

I think that will be very rare.

[lucid iron]

It's not about rare or common

[uncut viper]

it will still break the mod if i remove it

[lucid iron]

I did neglect to think about how u do actually need knowledge of previous state though

[uncut viper]

for a mod like this i would consider anything with the chance to break mods in edge cases to be a failed implementation

[reef kiln]

I have never seen a mod that wants a bush in the doorway. But I guess it would break the mods that do.

[lucid iron]

A simpler way to detect "maybe changed" would just be hash of the mod list anyways

[tawny ore]

I for one think bushes should be everywhere to the point where they overrun your entire farm

[lucid iron]

ModId+version

[uncut viper]

how can i know what mod made a change

[rancid musk]

define "a change"

[lucid iron]

You can only know if

• you are installed already
• the other mod up'd version number

[uncut viper]

im not sure what the point would be. lets say i do hash the mod list and version numbers together. and next timer the game is loaded its different. what do i do?

[lucid iron]

Somehow find out about new editmaps

By breaking into content patcher's house

I dunno it all seems very fragile

The thing i envisioned when i mentioned what if new rtf is pretty much "rtf but you can optionally select an area"

[uncut viper]

that was one of the key things i was gonna do with mine yeah

[lucid iron]

Would be marked improvement already

The other edge case thing is

[uncut viper]

optionally select an area, filter by type, preview whats gonna be deleted, easily change what map you're doing it on, regeneration (with the same stuff as mentioned for removing), and manually placing individual features

[lucid iron]

Barn/Coop incubators

[rancid musk]

Hmm. How does Landscaper sound for the name of a mod to let buildings apply map overrides?

[lucid iron]

I thought they already can

[uncut viper]

usually i think of Landscaper as a person doing something

[gentle rose]

I was just thinking earlier today about a mod setting a “last save hash” in the farmer’s mod data so that you could check if it was installed the last time the game was played

[lucid iron]

Or do u mean actually change map tiles

[rancid musk]

Well, it could also be Landscaping

[uncut viper]

if you just wanna check if it was installed you can just check a mail flag cant you

[rancid musk]

I mean actually change map tiles.

Like, you could "build" a pond

[lucid iron]

Revenge of tmx buildables i see

[gentle rose]

how do you unset a mail flag when it’s uninstalled if it’s no longer installed though haha

[lucid iron]

Is letting people paint the pond shape in scope

[uncut viper]

same way you'd remove the mod data, i imagine

[gentle rose]

this way, you specifically know if it was installed during the last save

since it’s a hash, you don’t need to remove it, you check it against the save

[uncut viper]

for what purpose?

[gentle rose]

and if they don’t match, it wasn’t for that save

oh, no clue

[uncut viper]

fair

[rancid musk]

I thought tmx stuff was dead? 🤔 I suppose if it's not I should work on my other dumb mod idea instead

[lucid iron]

It is dead

[gentle rose]

but you guys were talking about checking if mods were uninstalled and I figured I’d chip in my two very useless cents

[lucid iron]

But tmx buildables was a feature

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/6618

[uncut viper]

chu was talking about checking if things were different, whether by install or uninstall. i was talking about how it doesnt matter

[lucid iron]

I think land scaper is perhaps a bit limited

What if my tiles is a tree

[uncut viper]

is trees not landscaping

[hot gale]

Trying to decide what the condition should be for clearing terrain

[uncut viper]

a trigger action only ever runs once by default, you can set no condition

[gentle rose]

my tentative use case was for an npc to make passive-aggressive comments about not having been there for <however long> “nice to see you again, sorry I had to disappear for a while. Somebody needed my attention elsewhere I guess.”

[hot gale]

oh

[uncut viper]

just remove it the first time they load your save with the mod installed

remove the terrain features*

[hot gale]

sweet, thanks I figured condition ws required

[uncut viper]

on the other hand, with a hash, you have no idea how long they were gone, could just be a day 😛

[gentle rose]

you store both! and if they used time skipping shenanigans so the dates match but the hash is different, your npc makes a snarky comment about having a weird dream where they weren’t there

[uncut viper]

itd be easier to just save the users current computer date and time

i dont think youd need a hash for that i think you can just do this by just saving regular stuff

[hot gale]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/0916ad24156c4544b48e417ce6a05a5c

Does this look right?

[gentle rose]

wait, what would THAT achieve in this context what if I close stardew and come back to play the next weekend

[lucid iron]

Just shove it into mod save data

[uncut viper]

save the computer time with the saves daysplayed

[lucid iron]

Or mod json if u wanna do it asap regardless of sleep

Wouldn't be any different than saving a config

[gentle rose]

I’m still confused what the computer time is supposed to be telling you

[uncut viper]

how long ago you played, so they can comment that youve been gone for a long time

like animal crossing

[gentle rose]

oh, I get you now

[hot gale]

Cool, looks like it cleared the bushes

[ocean sail]

@hot gale You leveled up to Farmer. You're now a prettier shade of blue. Thanks for sticking around!

[hot gale]

Ayyyy

Where do I request mod author role again 😅

Ah nvm

[lucid iron]

You dm bouncer yea

Add self to wiki

[hot gale]

Lol hmm

Why not open

[gentle rose]

you have at least one published mod (and which has no AI-generated content), right>

[hot gale]

I have a few

https://next.nexusmods.com/profile/MajorBonghits/mods?gameId=1303

[brittle pasture]

Furniture Machine 1.1.0 is out, with the ability to specify custom furniture descriptions and category, two features that are not related to machines at all but is useful for furnitures in general I suppose: https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/31678

[hot gale]

hawt

[uncut viper]

"not really related but useful i suppose" is my favourite kind of feature

[lucid iron]

the real furniture is the machines we made along the way

[brittle pasture]

well it is tangentially related to machines in that I read from CustomFields in Data/Machines

[latent mauve]

Well, looks like I need to make an update to my Laundry Machines now to have descriptions 😛

[barren blaze]

hey all!! a streamer I watch (brad_is_brad_ok on twitch) is working on a Stardew Valley mod live right now if anyone wanted to come check him out! He's all about learning how code works and doing things no one's seen before (and usually has some really fun nonsense going 😁 )

[lucid iron]

i still gotta fix weedses from laundry

[reef kiln]

I want a table that makes Fairyroses, don't advertise feature not included in the mod 🤣 😇 😀 thanks for the mod update

[brave fable]

to me Landscaper sounds more like a mod that allows the user to do something, not mod authors. if it's a technical framework/enabler i'd give it a more descriptive name like Buildings Generate Map-overrides (BGM for short)

[rancid musk]

Surely it wouldn't be confusing if I had two BGM mods (and neither is BackgroundMusic)

lol

[brave fable]

love of cooking does this a little, it saves the game and mod version number to moddata on each player on day ending, so on next load it'll print whatever versions the mod was previously installed on for debugging/migration

[reef kiln]

Are you actually making that framework? That's great. I would like to request an example pack included that makes a duck pond

😇

[gentle rose]

so, the upside of using a hash of the game state for my idea is that you can even tell if they played some days but then changed the date back to what it was when you uninstalled, but the downside is that it will probably have to be set in some prefix to the save serialiser just to make sure it’s the absolute last thing in the save that’s changed/calculated

[lucid iron]

you are over complicating this

[uncut viper]

cant you just do it on daystart

write to a file

or check for a file if it exists

[lucid iron]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/APIs/Data#JSON_files

just use this so it's decoupled from save

[gentle rose]

true, but at least 95% of that is the fact this doesn’t need to exist whatsoever

[gentle rose]

no, because you need it to match the save file at time of checking haha

[uncut viper]

but DayStarted is going to be the last thing that happens after a user saves, bc the next day will start

[reef kiln]

Are you going to have Lewis cuss out the player for traveling backward in time like animal crossing?

[gentle rose]

exactly, it needs to be done before the save

[uncut viper]

why?

[gentle rose]

oh, I see what you mean, you’re saying save it in a separate file entirely

[uncut viper]

correct

[gentle rose]

sorry if I’m being extra slow today, my brain is fried lmao

[gentle rose]

but does ondaystart trigger if you close the game from the shipping screen right after it saves?

[uncut viper]

it doesnt save on the shipping screen

[brittle pasture]

isnt that before

[uncut viper]

it saves after the shipping screen

in the black screen

[gentle rose]

or in general, if you close the game right after it says it saved

[uncut viper]

i mean, maybe if you alt f4 in the first tick after it happens

i would call that "user error"

[gentle rose]

and what if a different ondaystart hook that happens before our one changes the game state you’d have to make sure either ours runs first or that we use the save file for the hash rather than the loaded save state

[uncut viper]

why? if its different next time, then you know stuff has changed anyway

i thought you were only saving info about yourself anyway

[gentle rose]

I’m confused now

I’m saving a hash of the save and comparing it to the actual save

[uncut viper]

my confusion stems from not knowing why you need the save data at all

[gentle rose]

you don’t, you’re just hashing it to see if it changed or not

you can’t actually get the data back from the hash anyway

[lucid iron]

Can u not just read it from the title menu

[uncut viper]

but why do you need to detect if the save data changed

[lucid iron]

Os stat last modified time

[uncut viper]

i kind of lost the plot like an hour ago ill admit

ive been zoning out looking at my custom museum code

[lucid iron]

Im sorry for bringing up hashes ever

[uncut viper]

i forgive you

[gentle rose]

to see if something changed the save since the last time this mod interacted with it meaning either the mod was uninstalled and reinstalled or the save was edited

[gentle rose]

wait, did you bring them up or did I

[reef kiln]

This seems like an example of the "what specifically are you trying to do" problem that happens all the time on this channel. Why, do you want to know this info would probably help figure out how to do it. Right?

[uncut viper]

i think everything was just theorycrafting for fun

[reef kiln]

Oh, then enjoy

[gentle rose]

I’m not asking a question nor am I trying to solve an actual problem

[uncut viper]

C# nerds being C# nerdsniped

not me though. im not a nerd. im cool

[patent lance]

New quote added by irocendar as #6331 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/1349553576036270082)

[uncut viper]

for posterity

[lucid iron]

Cool nerd

[gentle rose]

I’m not a regular nerd, I’m a cool nerd

[lucid iron]

God tas has so many knobs

Too many really

But soon i shall have the power to describe wizard smoke

[vernal crest]

Every time I play this game I am thankful that I am a mod maker so I can fix issues with my game myself. Specifically fixing broken stuff in other people's mods so I can actually experience them lol

[gentle rose]

I have either taken my meds zero times, one time or two times. how can we tell

[brittle pasture]

until it's a closed source C# mod, then I cri eritim

also partly why I no longer install mods from people who I don't recognize in here

[gentle rose]

(finger hovering over the decompile button—)

[brittle pasture]

(finger shrivels in fear seeing optimized switch branches)

[reef kiln]

I am jealous, if I could fix/update c# mods my mod list would jump exponentially.

[vernal crest]

Hmm, broken event is from mod that is not installed...

[gentle rose]

the optimised string switches are my favourites

[lucid iron]

have there been C# mods that are 1. borked 2. you really wanted it

i feel like when both are true i just

make it...

[teal bridge]

Doesn't that filter out 80% or more of all mods?

[brittle pasture]

do you use 80% of all mods

[gentle rose]

if (str.Length == 5) {
    if (str[0] == “w”) {
        if (str[1] == “a”) {
            ….
        }
        else if (str[1] == “h”) {
            …
        }
    …
…

like that’s just so fun

[teal bridge]

No, but it's not the same 20%

[vernal crest]

Oh no, event is also broken in mod that is installed (in the same way o.O)

[brittle pasture]

the statement was slightly overblown, of course, but I nowadays usually stay away from C# mods that are closed source or from authors I don't recognize

[gentle rose]

I don’t tend to stress too much about missing out on mods because I didn’t consider them tbh

[vernal crest]

And voila, fixed

[teal bridge]

Ah, well closed source I can sort of understand.

Though I don't think I'd pass on installing it, personally, I'll just ignore any compatibility questions.

[astral oyster]

What use are the blank.Json files and could the fact I lack them be leading to events not using sprites despite the sprites normally loading? using format 2.5.0

[lucid iron]

blank json is just to let you use EditData

are you doing a Load from a non blank json?

for your events

[gentle rose]

what do you mean you lack them? is this a mod you’re making from scratch, or are you editing an existing one which had them?

[teal bridge]

(I did)

[lucid iron]

there is one mod that would have been beyond my ability tho

[uncut viper]

which one

[vernal crest]

We load blank json files and then use EditData to add our actual content because CP tokens don't work in Loaded files.

[lucid iron]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/31819

i dont think i can do the nonsense required to compile a mgfx shader on linux

[tidal stone]

should i do multiple colours of Nepeta.... (catmint)

not with C# iill just make em different variety sopecies lmao

[lucid iron]

u need like a older version of it

[reef kiln]

That is a great explanation. I was trying to figure out how to say that. You did it so well.

[brittle pasture]

crop color variety is vanilla (see: flowers)

[astral oyster]

So they are very important from what I am learning here, and I wouldn't call it from sratch but working from a mish mash of information on how to make custom npc in the new format

[tidal stone]

omg it issss

[ornate locust]

I did it, I made him animate during the fair

[vernal crest]

!npc Are you using Tia's NPC tutorial?

[ocean sail]

Creating a Custom NPC

Keep in mind that making NPCs is a complex process that requires learning many different aspects of Stardew modding.
Here are a few links that can help get you started on all that you need to know:

• Tiakall has a great tutorial on making a custom NPC for 1.6.

• NPCs no longer use dispositions, check the wiki page for the new NPC data.

• Aviroen has put together a template that will allow you to easily create a romanceable NPC.

• Feel free to jump into the https://discord.com/channels/137344473976799233/1277457201077813280 thread for more interactive feedback and help!

• Fireredlily has a WIP NPC Builder Please do report any errors you get with it into the NPC thread!

To use this command, type !npc.

[tidal stone]

this changes so many things

[ornate locust]

not that you can see the animation in that image

but it animates so yaaaay

[tidal stone]

!flowers

fine ill go tot he wiki

😔

[ornate locust]

also I swear to god I didn't intend to recolor that tourist to look like Duke Nukem, I just wanted him to look different from how he looks now

[gentle rose]

but you aren’t editing an existing mod, right?

[ornate locust]

and Duke Nukem came out

[lucid iron]

i guess i can get cloudy skies to do it for me https://github.com/KhloeLeclair/StardewMods/blob/main/CloudySkies/author-guide.md#custom-shaders

[brittle pasture]

[[Modding:Crop_data]]

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Crop_data

[astral oyster]

yes I've been using that, but some of the information seems incomplete

[reef kiln]

Now make him clean up the litter 🤣 😇

[lucid iron]

it sure does sound like a large amount of nonsense tho

[brittle pasture]

see TintColors

[quiet sandal]

Hey sorry to cut in on your conversation but could someone please explain to me how to make indoor specific npc sprites.
I have no coding/modmaking experience so I do not understand anything about it

[brittle pasture]

and cross reference with vanilla crops/tilesheets

[ornate locust]

He's being ticketed for it, he'll have to clean up after (when I do not have to animate that)

[vernal crest]

Use the Appearance system in Data/Characters to specify when a certain appearance can be used - there's an indoors field.

[tidal stone]

are the tint colors themselves hardcocded or can i make custom tint colors

[astral oyster]

no not existing before

[brittle pasture]

you can make custom yes
the game will dynamically color a grayscale overlay and put it on top of the base sprite

[uncut viper]

DonationCritera -> DonationCriteria
this one typo has cost me 20 minutes

[tidal stone]

oh amazing

this means some of my flowers can be multicolored woohoo

[vernal crest]

!json If you want to share your json we can have a look and help with the sprite issue.

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[reef kiln]

It is the TintColors that you use right?

[tidal stone]

gonna use it for foxgloves and the Nepeta mint

[vernal crest]

This is the bit I meant, by the way https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:NPC_data#Appearance_.26_sprite

I realised I could find the wiki page in my Steam browser

[quiet sandal]

i read a guide on the wiki and got a good ways on the code but i just dont understand how to make it actually work

[vernal crest]

Ohhhhh how I wish I was good enough at C# to be able to print myself a list of all the events I haven't seen yet

[astral oyster]

do you want the json file for the events or content?

[vernal crest]

Better to do both

[latent mauve]

If you do not set a Precedence field, then the order of your Appearances becomes important. The one you want checked first will need to be first in the list unless you give it a higher precedence instead

[vernal crest]

That's okay, if you want to share what you've got we can have a look (using the json validator website that Governor links to here #making-mods-general message)

[tidal stone]

where would one find the flowers so i can reference how their tinted heads are done so i can copy

i dont se em under crops

[quiet sandal]

alright ill put it through

[tidal stone]

oh is it the things in spring object

[quiet sandal]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/6a062e93e62845bc91ba99fb86b2d9ee

[quiet sandal]

honestly i could've done all this wrong somehow but idk

[lucid iron]

do u want description on how2 do this or do you wish to explore

[brittle pasture]

yep! also importantly, in your Data/Objects entry you need to set "ColorOverlayFromNextIndex": true so the game uses that overlay instead of tinting the entire sprite

[tidal stone]

ty tyyyy

this is gonna be so cool to see in game

[latent mauve]

Your Action:Load for the texture has to be in its own block, not in Entries

[vernal crest]

Right now because I'm just trying to power through finishing 1.6.8, help would be appreciated but no pressure

[lucid iron]

well i wasn't gonna give more than high level

[brave fable]

really the main issue is collating all the event IDs, which are loaded per-location

so you'd have to load up every single data/events/location file

[lucid iron]

there's 2 Utility methods that check if event seen

HasAnyPlayerSeenEvent
HaveAllPlayersSeenEvent

To know about Event id you need to use Utility.ForEachLocation to find out about location names
And then location.TryGetLocationEvents

[tidal stone]

ok question, if i have a gradient in my colors ie i have my foxglove like this will i need to make 2 seperate masks for the coloring for it to stay a gradient or would that auto color the way i want it to being two diffeent shades on the top and bottom?

[astral oyster]

Events - https://smapi.io/json/none/d63b6763318649e39f5b515c20b42713
Content - https://smapi.io/json/none/6eb43aa6221742ca88868c96e960a4e8

As stated before it was just suppose to be an edit of the Jas/Vincent sewer event to dip ones toes into the idea of how to do these

[wet granite]

Is there a channel for talking about mods that isn't "support" or "this channel which is for talking about making mods"?

[vernal crest]

I'm almost at the point of considering doing a patch export for every location in the game and then collating all of it into a spreadsheet just so I can get something to tick off without having to open the social menu and navigate to the NPC again every time I want to check the next event

[brave fable]

sounds like you want #modded-stardew

[wet granite]

Ty, there are so many channels in the sidebar I missed that one 😅

[quiet sandal]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/3de27213626d45da8cb09bb9c1172a74

i dont exactly understand how to make a new block but ik that is not how

[latent mauve]

Close, but try this instead: https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/1ec1aa34f8a94712b0e34f2e2e5a0b28

[brittle pasture]

so you can only have one extra color per object
but what you can do, if you say want your foxglove to have green-to-purple, green-to-pink or green-to-blue gradients you can make your color mask go from 0% opacity to 100%

[latent mauve]

And you still might need to set Precedence to be higher than 0, Eli.

[lucid iron]

year 2 of wishing C# had C style macros...

[tidal stone]

ok and i can have a diffent opacity on the same mask in different areas or would i need to split it up?

[quiet sandal]

Ok

[brittle pasture]

on the same mask, yes

[tidal stone]

cool!

ty ty selph

[vernal crest]

Are your characters' internal names {{ModID}}_Beta or just Beta (etc)? Because you're loading your sprites to one name but then using the other name in the event so as far as the game's concerned they're different characters.

[latent mauve]

For reference, Winter outfits have a precedence of -100

I just checked

[quiet sandal]

How much would you say ill need

[astral oyster]

I think their internal name is {{ModID}}_Beta while the display name is Beta; I tried switching in {{ModID}}_Beta in place of their display name thinking it would fix the issue; but it did not. So I reverted it back to the before change

[latent mauve]

Depends on if you want to override winter outfits or only have your indoor outfit trigger in not winter

[quiet sandal]

ah i see now

[latent mauve]

If you want to override winter, you need -101

[quiet sandal]

Ok yeah got that now

[vernal crest]

You can check if the portrait/sprite loads have worked by putting patch export portraits/actualmodid_Beta into the SMAPI console and then going to your Stardew Valley folder and looking inside the patch export folder to see what the image that's been exported is.

[quiet sandal]

One more question with how I have the png linked where does it take that file from. The asset folder in the mod folder or the actual stardew valley files?

[vernal crest]

But also, definitely always use internal name any time you refer to an NPC, unless you're doing so inside actual dialogue (or other text that is intended for the player to read rather than the game).

[latent mauve]

Your Action:Load is setting the texture path inside the Stardew Valley files (the Target)

So you would use that target for your Texture

[quiet sandal]

Ok thanks

[astral oyster]

Maybe I made a mistake when I had them in the other format I missed and changed it back to soon, I will do the above and see the results

[uncut viper]

question for the C# folks re: spritebatch drawing. is there like... a better way to figure out layerDepth or do i just have to accept that im supposed just.. tweak the numbers until it works. because this:
(v.Key.Y) * 64f / 10000f Doesnt work
(v.Key.Y + 1) * 64f / 10000f Doesn't work
(v.Key.Y + 2) * 64f / 10000f Works
(v.Key.Y + 3) * 64f / 10000f Doesn't work
seems like the wrong way to go about it lol. but iunno how else

[brave fable]

please understand that most of the layerdepth values in the decompile are given in scientific notation, not because there's a science to it, but because it's a fuckin mess

what're you drawing and in what context?

[brittle pasture]

usually it's y divided 10000 plus x divided 100000 plus tweaks which can go any which way

[uncut viper]

the first line is the formula the museum uses for drawing the objects on the pedestals, which is what im also trying to do, except i want to allow drawing things that are not just Objects

(O) objects that is

this is the problem i was fixing

where v.Key is a Vector2 position of the tile

(not the red highlighted one)

[brittle pasture]

hmm + 3 should work, it's higher than +2

[lucid iron]

i dont know if there is any good way to go about this

[uncut viper]

• 3 puts me beneath it like this

[lucid iron]

i also just add 2E-06f until it feels about right

[brittle pasture]

then you want to subdivide it

[dreamy cedar]

For my stuff, I felt like tweaking was the only way to go because the game code just pulls numbers out of thin air (as far as I can tell). So each situation is it's own adventure.

[uncut viper]

• 1 leads to weird z fighting where sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt, and its not consistent even with the same player positioning

[brittle pasture]

I usually add 1/100000f at a time

[uncut viper]

• 1 also makes my tool animations go behind the top half of the beehouse

but +2 makes it all work perfectly

[brave fable]

dare i say +0.5f

[uncut viper]

+2.5f also doesnt work

+2.25f does though

[brave fable]

+2.25f it is. congratulations! you are now a layerdepth scientist

[uncut viper]

my takeaway from this is that no there is no better way and i was doing it right by just tweaking it

is there any issue with just leaving it at +2

[brittle pasture]

what layer does the game use for Objects

[brave fable]

i mean the issue is that the layering was wrong. if the layering is right, there's no issue

[lucid iron]

i mean are u gonna let people donate furniture?

how does game do 3 tile lamps

u r basically hoping to draw that aren't u

the "table" being 1 tile

[astral oyster]

You know, I had the internal names listed in the event at one point and did not work; it's working now after all of this. I have no idea why it didn't outside of maybe a spacing problem. Though exporting the files mentioned before wouldn't work for some reason. Probaly another user error on my part

[uncut viper]

lamps seem to work fine with +2

[lucid iron]

congrations you are now LayerDepth certified

[uncut viper]

(i did add extra stuff to account for the extra height of the source rects, vanilla museum would NOT handle this right)

[tiny zealot]

tweaking, or finding the values of things you want to slot between and picking a value between them. it's Science™️

[brittle pasture]

try a 2 tile high donation table

[lucid iron]

i present you with this:

[brittle pasture]

actually nvm that still works

[uncut viper]

are there 2 tile high tables?

oh

okay well wider things are a Kinda Works

[brittle pasture]

anyway generally I try to compare against what the game is doing, and whether I need to bump it up by one Y layer or down. then I add tiny tweaks (usually in steps of 1/100000f) until it looks right

[lucid iron]

table museum

[brave fable]

furniture showroom...

[uncut viper]

the problem with this is that you can put another item in any of the other 3 table tiles if theyre valid spaces...h m

[brave fable]

if it helps at all, Object.draw(b, x, y, alpha) heldItem uses base_sort + 1E-05f for the layerdepth

[lucid iron]

i guess u need furniture collision bounds

[uncut viper]

looks incomprehensible to me, thanks

[vernal crest]

When you tried exporting the files, were you using {{ModID}} or were you trying with your actual mod ID? I ask because using the token wouldn't work.

[tidal stone]

Do you think 20 or 30 is a good number for a small garden mod like herbs and flowers? at least to start with

[brave fable]

30 is small?

[brittle pasture]

isn't base_sort just the y level

[brave fable]

there's like 10 flowers in the base game haha

[tidal stone]

fair

I just dont wanna make it feel like "well why would i download this"

[brave fable]

float base_sort = (float)((y + 1) * 64) / 10000f + tileLocation.X / 50000f;

[lucid iron]

you could maybe take a break and do all the not art stuff?

[quiet sandal]

honestly i dont even know what im doing
So "Target": "Data/Characters" links to Stardew Valley/Content/Data/Character.xnb correct?
Or am i so far off

[lucid iron]

make ur flower actually grow in game and stuff

[tidal stone]

true

[brave fable]

i wouldn't download a mod with like 50 new plants to be honest

[lucid iron]

then u can draw more later

[tidal stone]

ok I might start doing that

[brave fable]

i'd download one with maybe 5

[lucid iron]

what if it's 20 different blueberry cultivars

[brave fable]

definitely not downloading it lol

[uncut viper]

ive decided i will allow furniture but im going to deal with the furniture collision stuff Later™ (which may possibly be after release)

[tidal stone]

yea im starting to get like burnt out on doing the pixel art because the shapes are getting hard not to be just repeatable lol

[brittle pasture]

there's that carrots variety mod

we need one for all the bananas

[lucid iron]

ngl these all look identical to me

[brittle pasture]

Gros Michel banana fruit tree - produces up until year 3, after which a fungal blight wipes them all out

[lucid iron]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/31445

[uncut viper]

i would absolutely fuck up a bowl of Clockwork Blueberries right now

[brave fable]

that's me. i am the Duke

[tidal stone]

thats fair, i guess im trying to find the sweet spot, so i might stop at 15ish

[uncut viper]

what about the mult

[reef kiln]

20 to 30 os a large crop mod. Not cornucopia large but still pretty large.

[lucid iron]

feast your eyes on additional cultivars https://www.fallcreeknursery.com/commercial-fruit-growers/varieties

[tidal stone]

oohg ok

then i might have enough herbs and add one or two more flowers and stop

because i dont want to create a big huge mod

[brittle pasture]

you replace em with Cavendish trees, which is more resilient and has a 1/1000 chance to die instead

[tidal stone]

i want it cozy

[astral oyster]

I misunderstood what I was being told, yeah; the portaits were exported. They exist

[vernal crest]

It doesn't actually edit the xnb file itself, but it edits the asset Data/Characters after it has been read from the xnb (that's why CP is much safer than xnb modding!). But for loading your images, you're not editing Data/Characters. You're adding a new asset called Portraits/NPCName_Outfit1 that contains the image data and then in your Data/Characters edit, you're telling it "use that Portraits/NPCName_Outfit1 asset for the NPC's portrait in these conditions, please".

[tidal stone]

should i draw my flowers and herbs as item drops first or just start makin em grow in game

[brave fable]

whichever gives you more inspiration to work on the other imo

[tidal stone]

idk if theyat would break stuff not having them as item drops too fgirst

[uncut viper]

hey selph you've looked at the furniture draw code right

[vernal crest]

Well, since the event worked properly anyway after you changed the NPC internal names it's neither here nor there for this issue, but it's a useful troubleshooting tool for future because it helps you to figure out which step of a process broke.

[brave fable]

if you want it functional upfront, just make a dummy sprite with 'HERB 1' on it or somesuch

[reef kiln]

You could then make a mod that makes players go through major screening before they enter the valley to make sure the fungus does not spread to ginger island. Like some banana producing countries do to save the banana crops.

[astral oyster]

this experience has taught me much for future use, I thank you for your help

[tidal stone]

which mod makes stuff stay year round again

was it custom bush?

[brave fable]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/3000 ?

[brittle pasture]

the same way I saw a horror movie, yes. utter terrified and nowhere near qualified enough to talk about it

[reef kiln]

You mean the custom bush mod. That let's you make your crops bushes.

[brave fable]

another fine patho's child mod 🤝

[tidal stone]

Yes! i need to use that for my passionfruit i think

[uncut viper]

great, that makes you the most qualified person here for me to ask about. how does it draw wide shadows. i know theres a scale option in spritebatch.draw but i only wanna stretch it horizontally sometimes

[brave fable]

i'm pretty sure all furniture shadows are baked into the sprite

alternatively there's a wide shadow sprite

[uncut viper]

the table i donated only has one shadow in the corner for an object

[quiet sandal]

ok so what im confused about is where i need to put my sprite image to get it to use them
its prob so simple but i just know so little about code
sorry about all the confusion

[reef kiln]

If you want a bush that only produces on a specific day. Then custom bush is what you want.

[uncut viper]

oh wait no

you're right it does have its shadow

[brittle pasture]

yeah the shadow is baked in, you can see it on the screenshot above

[uncut viper]

oh thats easy then. thank you selph

[tidal stone]

that is exactly! what i want 😄 yaay

[uncut viper]

(/j thank you blueberry)

[brave fable]

hey wtf

[brittle pasture]

well to be (not) fair that was what I was about to say as well

[uncut viper]

the thanks does go to both of you

i asked selph bc i figured you mighta seen it when working on Furniture Machines

[brittle pasture]

the circular shadow underneath Objects is Game1.shadowTexture

[uncut viper]

yeah thats easy enough to just comment out for furniture

[reef kiln]

If you need help with the programing and the readme is not clear. the mod page says you can ping Matt.

[uncut viper]

or non-objects in general ig

[reef kiln]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/20619

[tidal stone]

ty tyyy

[uncut viper]

does look kinda strange with uneven shadows ill admit but. not much i can really do about that methinks

[reef kiln]

I have always found Matt really helpful with his mods. He is one of the big mod authors so he keeps his stuff updated too.

[brave fable]

i'd say the book getting flattened under the table is strange myself

[uncut viper]

one of the legs is shorter than the other

[vernal crest]

Characters/{{ModID}}_Haley_Indoors - though it doesn't actually have to be called Haley_Indoors it can be called whatever you want. I do recommend using the {{ModID}}_ prefix though as that ensures that the asset name is unique and therefore won't clash with any other mods that want to add an indoor outfit for Haley that just happen to also call it Haley_Indoors.

I wonder if maybe you are getting Data/Characters and Characters/ mixed up? Characters is the folder in the game contents that contains the sprites for the NPCs. It is a bit confusing I think.

So what you need to do is copy that code block with the target "Portraits/NPCName_Outfit1", and then change the Target to Characters/{{ModID}}_Haley_Indoors. Then change the portrait one to "Portraits/{{ModID}}_Haley_Indoors", and fix the FromFile so it's pointing at your portrait for her indoor outfit rather than her sprite image.

[lucid iron]

whats the thing under the table

[uncut viper]

im just gonna chalk the shadow thing up to the mod authors needing to decide how much they really want a furniture/BC museum

[lucid iron]

wow

[lucid iron]

but button, furniture showroom

[quiet sandal]

Ok yeah thats what i was doing i was thinking of the files incorrectly

thanks

[reef kiln]

Button, it is the file, target, asset problem agian. Your tutorial really is needed.

[lucid iron]

doom

[uncut viper]

oh yeah so it is. ive not been paying attnetion to the other convos whoops

[latent mauve]

Thanks for picking up that thread while I stepped away, aba ❤️

[uncut viper]

ready to ship

[lucid iron]

i like the 2d scythe

[uncut viper]

i dont know why the shirt is so tiny

[lucid iron]

it is tiny

8x8

[uncut viper]

that tracks

[tidal stone]

i jsut realized before i do my plants i think i will make their seed packages

lmao

cant plant them without seeds

[lucid iron]

you can just draw seeds without package if u want

[brittle pasture]

this tells a story somehow

[tidal stone]

nah i got dis i think im finalizing my herbs and flowers at 15 because i want this to be a small project not huge XD

[strange dew]

can someone explain how duration works to me? on the wiki it says to use milliseconds but that really does not sound right LOL. for example, seafoam pudding has a buff duration time of 3 mins and 30 secs, in the unpacked files the duration is listed as 300. i cant find anymore documentation on it on the wiki but maybe im not looking in the right spot

[reef kiln]

I know it is not the point, but what mod adds a sign that says fishpond to the fishpond?

[lucid iron]

nano's buildings

[reef kiln]

Thanks 🙂

[vernal crest]

Looks like the Duration field in Data/Buffs is measured in milliseconds but the Duration field in Data/Objects is measured in in-game minutes.

[lucid iron]

i feel amused by this even though i have no idea what i'd need it for

[brittle pasture]

touhou valley

[uncut viper]

touhou valley obviously

[lucid iron]

i wonder if game cleans up off screen TAS

eventually

[rancid musk]

Probably not till you change game locations?

[uncut viper]

if (this.alpha <= 0f || (this.position.X < -2000f && !this.overrideLocationDestroy) || this.scale <= 0f)
    {
        this.unload();
        return this.destroyable;
    }

[lucid iron]

the bus stop is a magical place

[rancid musk]

So it does, but only if they're off screen in one specific direction out of four.

That seems somehow less than ideal.

[uncut viper]

no budget for the others

[lucid iron]

the stardrops are free roaming

[rancid musk]

I wonder if that's to do with things getting blown to the left by wind?

[lucid iron]

oh that would make sense (but why not just do it all 4 directions)...

[brittle pasture]

thanks to its unique geography wind in the valley only ever blows one way

which is a problem when an invading naval force 800k strong is sailing down the wind, and you want to defeat them with a fire attack

[uncut viper]

eventually, the fire will wrap around

[tall wind]

Hello!
Is it possible to edit the event scene of the Summit?
I looked for it in Data/Events but could not find it.

[brave fable]

sorry, it's a little (extremely, unbelievably, completely) hardcoded:

[uncut viper]

dumb idea: can you replace SummitEvent_Intro_Spouse with your own event string

[brave fable]

if you're experienced in C# and harmony, you can look into Summit.cs:getSummitEvent(), showQiCheatingEvent(), GetSummitDialogue(), getEndSlideshow(), and so on

[lucid iron]

this is the thing i actually wanted to make

[brittle pasture]

leaking uranium waste

[brave fable]

is <spouse i dislike> buried there

[lucid iron]

it is completely exposed to data

https://github.com/Mushymato/MiscMapActionsProperties/blob/main/[CP] MMAP Examples/tas_spot.json#L72-L101

based on the wizard house's smoke

[uncut viper]

i was about to say, free cauldron bubbles

[brave fable]

i notice you don't support AlphaFadeFade and RotationChangeChange

[uncut viper]

whats the point if i dont have my rotation acceleration

[lucid iron]

i suppose i could

just keep nesting them

Change->Change->Change

RandMin/RandMax doesn't support all fields tho

[brave fable]

u dont even use ScaleChangeChange...

all my favourite temporaryanimatedsprite properties

[lucid iron]

there are so many knobs i havent done yet

subscribe for full features obviously

[brittle pasture]

what if I want the scale to change according to sine wave

[uncut viper]

i would like to fire a trigger action at a certain scale and rotation too please

[brave fable]

surprisingly there isn't a periodic value for scale

[lucid iron]

being able to eval simple maths is something i wanted for trinkets (so ppl can implement funny motions if they want)

[lucid iron]

what does this mean

ⱯqqWɑᴉɼ?

[uncut viper]

if rot = 0.748f i would like to do a trigger action

but only when the TAS rotates into that value

[lucid iron]

terror

[uncut viper]

also id like it to only happen when its exactly 0.748 thank you

[brave fable]

another victim of floating point inaccuracy

[tall wind]

I see! Thanks for letting me know!

[lucid iron]

more things in the game should rotate

[dreamy cedar]

I'm told I should have my ears rotated...

You know, to balance the wear.

[uncut viper]

thats true, actually

[dreamy cedar]

@rancid musk - have you ever given a thought to the idea of having BetterCrafting show some kind of indicator over the recipes that haven't been crafted yet (for Perfection)?

[lucid iron]

i thought thats a feature

the new thing

[rancid musk]

Literally a feature, yes.

You can also create a dynamic category with a rule to only include uncrafted recipes.

[dreamy cedar]

Sorry, I don't see the indicator - (E.g. in this playthrough, the soda machine (2nd row, 4th item) has not been crafted yet.

Ah, I see how how to create a dynamic category. Yep. That works.

[arctic oxide]

so im looking through mods and this is from a crafting recipe addition, what do the 709/30 mean?

[shut mountain]

Item IDs I think

What's the rest of the line?

[hard fern]

30 of item id 709

[brave fable]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Recipe_data
field 0 is the ingredients list

[hard fern]

I guess

[shut mountain]

Yeah that makes more sense

[brave fable]

in this case, 709 is Hardwood (which you can find in the Data/Objects file when unpacked)

[arctic oxide]

oh so its 30 hardwood to craft it

[hard fern]

Yes

[arctic oxide]

awesome ty all

[shut mountain]

I need a jar sprite for a mod I'm going to start working on once I get the piece of absolute garbage that is my laptop back, but pixel art has never been my forte, and I don't wanna just yoink someone else's sprite.

[brave fable]

i'm glad these are sorted by how chill they are. thinking of submitting an application to the 'zero chill' blueberry group

[shut mountain]

I'd join you, but I'm not a blueberry

[brave fable]

through a great deal of focus, study, and (most important of all) lasagna, you too can become small and very round

[hard fern]

Now the blue part

[shut mountain]

I'm good, thanks 🐟

[shut mountain]

I used to be Blue

[fierce vault]

Hi, quick question. Is the area to the left of the bustop right before the tunnel inaccessible to npcs? Because it seems to have the label the back woods.

[brave fable]

yep, it's not supported for pathfinding. both areas are in the same map

BusStop is fine, Backwoods is not

[fierce vault]

ok, thanks

[faint ingot]

you ever make a few changes, boot up the game to test stuff quickly and it's like "OK, everything seems to be working just fine"... close the game and the last thing you see is your SMAPI window about to close and filled with nothing but red error messages

[hot gale]

rofl

[ornate locust]

yes

[shut mountain]

Does anyone knows where the vinegar is in the game's files?

[hot gale]

the data or sprite

[shut mountain]

Sprite

[hot gale]

springobjects.png prolly

[lucid iron]

[shut mountain]

Is that literally everything?

[unique sigil]

is that a springobjects emote

[shut mountain]

Nope it's an emoji 😑 I've been bamboozled

[lucid iron]

yea

[shut mountain]

Thank you

[lucid iron]

i woulda put cursors as emoji too but it's too big

[shut mountain]

Where is SpringObjects? >_>

[unique sigil]

!unpack

[ocean sail]

Follow this guide to unpack the game's content files in order to see and explore how the game data is structured.
It's helpful when making your own mods, or just to learn about how the game works!

To use this command, type !unpack.

[lucid iron]

Maps/springobjects

although isnt there that item id site

[unique sigil]

chaos needs the sprites

can just yoink it from game files

[shut mountain]

Was planning on it :)

My poor pixel art editor is going to crash the second I open the PNG 🤣 (Or not)

[marble verge]

Good morning. Does anybody know if Spiderbuttons frequents this Discord?

[shut mountain]

Idek who that is, I'm sorry

[unique sigil]

button is pretty much always in this channel

[marble verge]

I'm not too familiar with Discord, is there some way I can ping them? I ran into an issue with CMCT.

[shut mountain]

@PersonYouWantToPing
They might not like that tho, so fair warning

[rancid musk]

Buttons is here a lot, yeah.

[marble verge]

Oh, I see. I guess I'll post a message on the Nexus, then.

[rancid musk]

This is also not where you ask for support. This is for making mods.

[unique sigil]

if it's a bug report, best post it on nexus

if it's a question about the mod, you can ping the mod author, usually

[marble verge]

I'm working on one right now 🙂

[rancid musk]

Granted, if you're encountering an issue while making a mod using CMCT, then this channel works,. yeah.

[shut mountain]

Same :D

[marble verge]

That's the situation.

[rigid musk]

yippie making mods

[vernal crest]

Is your issue something to do with understanding CMCT or is it definitely a bug?

[marble verge]

I'm trying to import a config setting, but it contains spaces - and escaping it with " doesn't seem to help.

Slash ", I mean.

[vernal crest]

Knowing Button's love of single quotes, I recommend trying "'Config with spaces'"

[marble verge]

I'll try that, just a sec.

[rancid musk]

Looking at the code it doesn't seem like quotes would be needed?

It's possible the issue is in Content Patcher, if that's the case, and not CMCT.

[marble verge]

How do I turn text into a code block?

In Discord, I mean.

[shut mountain]

Um. text

[vernal crest]

!codeblock

[ocean sail]

You can embed code in Discord using a series of three ` :
```
Your code can go here
Even if not a haiku
Just an example
```

For syntax highlighting, add the language code on the same line as the first
``` (with no space, like ```json).
The usual codes are cs (C#) and json.

To use this command, type !codeblock.

[rancid musk]

```like this```
like this

[marble verge]

      "Name": "CMC.EnableExtendedCropsPack",
      "Value": "{{Spiderbuttons.CMCT/Config: Cornucopia.MoreCrops, Enable Extended Crops Pack}}"
}```

[shut mountain]

Oh I just used one on each side

[rancid musk]

That looks like a label and not a key, for the setting name.

[marble verge]

It's a Dynamic Token; I've done it this way for other mods, and those imported just fine.

[rancid musk]

Hmm. Yeah, so it is.

[lucid iron]

does cmct support dynamic tokens

[marble verge]

This works just fine:

      "Name": "Valuable.Red",
      "Value": "{{Spiderbuttons.CMCT/Config: LG.ICO.CC, Valuable_Red}}"
}```

[vernal crest]

If it's a dynamic token, shouldn't you be using Spiderbuttons.CMCT/Dynamic instead?

[marble verge]

No, it's a config setting imported into a Dynamic Token for use elsewhere.

[lucid iron]

do you have to quote the spaces

[marble verge]

I use {{Valuable.Red}} elsewhere without issues.

[marble verge]

Just tried that, with single and double quotes. No dice.

[vernal crest]

So when you said it's a dynamic token, you meant you're using it as a dynamic token but it's a config setting in Cornucopia?

[marble verge]

Aye.

[lucid iron]

yea i checked it is indeed called Enable Extended Crops Pack

!log do a patch summary

[ocean sail]

Important note: Your computer username may appear in the log. If your username is your full name, please be aware of this before uploading it.

Please share your SMAPI log file. To do so:

1. Open this page: smapi.io/log.
2. Follow the instructions at the top of the page to upload the log file. (Don't copy & paste from the console window!)
3. After uploading, it will show a green box with a URL to share. Post that URL here.

Please do it even if you don't see any errors. This has useful info like what mods and versions you have, what the mods are doing, etc. If the issue didn’t occur in your last session, please load the game to the point where the issue occurs, then upload the log.

To use this command, type !log.

[marble verge]

Okay, just a sec.

[lucid iron]

tbh i dont think i can help you much, but it will help button debug when later

[marble verge]

That's okay, I'm not in a hurry 🙂

This should be it: https://smapi.io/log/15c5c0628faf472ebdf2685d34e216cc

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.10 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows 11 Home, with 195 C# mods and 286 content packs.

[uncut viper]

quotes are not required and spaces are handled just fine, and patch parse is able to correctly identify it.

!json

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[uncut viper]

send your content.json here

[marble verge]

It's an include, so the site is throwing some errors, but: https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/92a61bfecf0d488fa18e07706de0b88a

The first example of using the Dynamic Token I'm trying to create is line #276.

[uncut viper]

i need to see where you are defining the dynamic token

[marble verge]

Okay, just a moment.

[uncut viper]

though, your problem is actually likely that you are doing Whens wrong. you need to remove the outer braces

[marble verge]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/585cebfb054a4c09a4bef6941fc54eae

[marble verge]

So just one set of curly braces?

[uncut viper]

sorry, remove the outer set of double braces

so no braces at all for the outermost token

you do it right with HasMod for example, you just have "HasMod" it works the same for all tokens, even dynamic ones

and i imagine you want to remove the single quotes from around the config names again

dont think Content Patcher would treat those as a string inside the quotes, i think it'd just take the quotes as part of the input, but im not sure

[rancid musk]

(See, this is more evidence that I am bad at content patcher.)

[uncut viper]

{
      "Name": "CMC.EnableExtendedCropsPack",
      "Value": "{{Spiderbuttons.CMCT/Config: Cornucopia.MoreCrops, Enable Extended Crops Pack}}"
},

...
"When": {
  "CMC.EnableExtendedCropsPack": true
}

[marble verge]

Ah, so I can just drop the curly braces for When entirely.

[uncut viper]

not "can." you must do it for the outermost token

and only the outermost token

if you have tokens inside the token, they keep their braces

the reason you must is because if you dont, Content Patcher replaces it, bc it sees that its a token

so what you have before this fix is essentially this:

"When": {
  "true": true
}

i assume

though based on the error spam in your log, it might just fuck up the parsing entirely

[marble verge]

Okay, dropping the curly braces fixed the problem!

[uncut viper]

good luck with the rest of your terrifying (complimentary) json

[marble verge]

Hahaha. Thanks for your help!

[strong beacon]

Heya, I'm a new Modder and i was wondering if there are any good videos to recommend for me to follow (I'm redesigning the cinema)

[hard fern]

Nope, no videos

[uncut viper]

videos are quickly out of date. case in point: i dont know of any that survived after 1.6

[hard fern]

Your best bet is to just look on the wiki or ask people here

[strong beacon]

kk 👍 thx

[vernal crest]

!startmodding The second link below is a tutorial to making a starting Content Patcher mod

[ocean sail]

Making mods can be broadly divided into two categories:

• Content packs are formatted text files, and don't need any programming knowledge. They can add/edit NPCs, maps, new items, shops, and more. To get started, see the list of framework mods, the wiki tutorial for Content Patcher, and there might be relevant guides on the tutorial wiki.
• C# mods use programming code to change fundamental game mechanics. See getting started with C# modding.

Usually it’s easier to start with making content packs, since you don't need to learn programming.

To use this command, type !startmodding.

[inner harbor]

Are pigs limited to what tiles they can dig on? They dont dig in my east scarp supplenentary farm, apparently. It has tiles classified as dirt tiles but they are visually grass tiles.

[uncut viper]

is it classified as Outdoors?

[inner harbor]

Pretty sure since it rains and you can grow stuff on it.

[brave fable]

conditions in behaviors() are:```cs
if (location.IsOutdoors && !location.IsRainingHere() && !location.IsWinterHere() && currentProduce.Value != null && isAdult() && GetHarvestType().GetValueOrDefault() == FarmAnimalHarvestType.DigUp && Game1.random.NextDouble() < 0.0002)
{
...
}

but also in `DigUpProduce()`:```cs
if (!r.NextBool((double)friendshipTowardFarmer.Value / 1500.0))
{
    currentProduce.Value = null;
}

do your pigs happen to be sad and hungry

[dusk mulch]

nah the cops in my town are fed pretty well

[old edge]

On day 3 of trying to figure out C# code for adding an emoji portrait icon for the special order board tried doing harmony patch but it really is a hassle and messing up my code so many times.

[shut mountain]

Can multiple recipes create the same item? I'm using Json Assets if that changes anything.

[drowsy pewter]

Yes

Wait

[shut mountain]

Wait?

[drowsy pewter]

Actually I don't know what will happen given the interaction with JA

Try it out

[shut mountain]

Alr. Lemme see if I can figure this out

[drowsy pewter]

Json Assets functionality was replaced by CP in 1.6, so people here generally are not supar familiar with it. It's been a few years for myself, and I cant remember if it only allows you to set one recipe per item. If that's the case, then you wont be able to add another recipe for the same item

[latent mauve]

Without JA, the wiki implies that you can create multiple crafting recipes with the same yield as long as they have unique names: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Recipe_data

Using just Content Patcher

[shut mountain]

Yay!

Oh

I really only speak Json Assets 😅

[drowsy pewter]

You might be out of luck then. I'm also not 100% sure that doing it in CP will work or if it'll just return the torch recipe if it doesnt match the item name

Personally i recommend learning CP regardless

[gray bear]

unsure if JA or CP allows for that tbh

[shut mountain]

Yeah, I should really relearn everything, shouldn't I?

[latent mauve]

Depending on what you are intending with the dupe recipes, you might also be able to get away with using a category as an ingredient to still have just one recipe

[gray bear]

yeah. use CP anyway.

[drowsy pewter]

You can use item category or spacecore recipes (with CP) to accept multiple different ingredients in a recipe

[shut mountain]

I wanted to make dyes with all the items of the respective dye color

[drowsy pewter]

That should definitely be done with spacecore recipes then

[latent mauve]

Yeah

[drowsy pewter]

Otherwise you'd have like 100 recipes for the color red

[gray bear]

so it makes different color dyes depending on the item?

[drowsy pewter]

You can also make it a machine rule with CP only

[latent mauve]

You could also just create a machine that takes anything with a color context tag

[drowsy pewter]

Machine rule would be easier for you to learn i think

[shut mountain]

:O

Probably

[gray bear]

is there a mod page for machine rules?

[shut mountain]

Even 15yo Chaos wouldn't've come up with that

[drowsy pewter]

[[Modding:Machine_data]]

is that how it works?

Lol nvm

[latent mauve]

[[Modding:Machines]]

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Machines

[drowsy pewter]

Sigh

[latent mauve]

Gotta be the right page name

[gray bear]

you gotta know them all by heart I guess

[shut mountain]

That's more sprites I have to make, but I'll manage ;-;

[unreal spoke]

Wasn’t there a machine data page at some point?

[latent mauve]

Could always experiment with an existing object for now

[shut mountain]

I'll definitely do that

[gray bear]

maybe the geode crusher make dyes

don't think about it too hard 😆

[latent mauve]

Nothing stopping you from making say, a table or a brazier for making dyes either

[gray bear]

table dye would be quite funny

[shut mountain]

True 🤣

[gray bear]

there is a mod to make furniture produce items by Selph

[latent mauve]

Bonus sprite idea: table with mortar and pestle on it

[gray bear]

but like figure out the dyes first maybe

[shut mountain]

Yes definitely

[gray bear]

then you can figure out the machine. one step at a time

[drowsy pewter]

From a quick test it seems like the recipe name doesnt have to match the object name to work in the cooking menu, though I think it will cause the torch recipe to display when purchasing from a shop. So theoretically you can have two recipes for the same item (some bugtesting is needed)

Yes, you have to rewrite everything for CP to do this

[shut mountain]

Thank you, but I like table dye

[gray bear]

if you run the JA mods and do a patch export it helps a lot when converting to CP

[drowsy pewter]

also ignore what I said about the recipes, that's more just info for other people. You definitely dont want to end up with 400 handwritten recipes

[gray bear]

that sounds like hell

[shut mountain]

Yeah, and I don't have that much patience

[gray bear]

do we have a command for how patch export works I keep forgetting

[latent mauve]

Yeah, RequiredTags with a color context tag is the way to go here

Anything useable in a dye pot already has a color context tag so most of the work is already done defining the colors

[gray bear]

put the apple on the table and bam red dye

[shut mountain]

Yes

That's how it's going to work

[gray bear]

how does the JA mod handle the dyes? crafting recipe?

[shut mountain]

Um. Brain is not braining ;-; It's 3 AM here

[gray bear]

perhaps some sleep?

[shut mountain]

No!

[gray bear]

good for brain!

[shut mountain]

I'm nocturnal

[latent mauve]

I have two machine mods that you can open up if you need examples. One using Furniture Machine and Extra Machine Config features, and one just using vanilla machines to add recipes via context tag.

[drowsy pewter]

when you add a new object entry in JA, you can add additional info to make a single recipe for it (such as for cooked food)

[gray bear]

oh yeah that is how JA works, god I remember when that was the mod to add anything

[shut mountain]

Same

[latent mauve]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/31270
https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/31683

[gray bear]

ooh those are cool fire

[latent mauve]

Feel free to look at the code, both of those are for Content Patcher

[drowsy pewter]

I'm lazy and would have totally just added edible_mushroom to both items

[latent mauve]

6840, I just added inedible_mushroom to the machine xD

Which covered both truffles and red mushrooms in one go

It was still pretty lazy

[gray bear]

wait how does that work? does it work for the dehydrator because it has the mushroom tag?

oh wait u probably added inedible_mushroom to the machine itself I'm silly

[shut mountain]

Thanks for the help, I'm gonna go color now 👋

[latent mauve]

I added a new rule for the DriedMushroom output that takes inedible_mushroom as a RequiredTag, yeah

[gray bear]

y'know truffle should be edible I don't know why it isn't

[latent mauve]

Adding that tag as a rule has the added benefit of forage mods just adding inedible_mushroom to their object tags to make them work in the machine.

[gray bear]

we can dehydrate all the mushrooms

[latent mauve]

You can even eat them after if you want to immediately pass out, LOL

(negative energy from poisonous mushrooms still gets amplified)

[gray bear]

yeah I'd imagine if you take out the water only the poison remains

I was gonna ask if dried mushroom are even edible in general in Stardew

[latent mauve]

They are

[calm nebula]

Dried mushrooms are great

[gray bear]

irl or?

[calm nebula]

Irl

[vernal crest]

Yeah this is correct. The recipe ID needs to match the object name to work in the shop, but not for actually crafting/cooking an item. That means it's possible to have multiple recipes that have the same yield as long as you don't want to sell both of them (you can still sell one, since its ID can match the object name). I have tested this with both cooking and crafting recipes.

[drowsy pewter]

Thank you so much for confirming!

[inner harbor]

No idea, not my farm, ill need to test it myself i guess

[real aurora]

hey guys, can anybody help with an issue i'm having? i'm trying to edit a custom map made by another person for personal use. i made the manifest just as usual and its dependencies (the mod i'm editing), and the map loads correctly, but the map custom properties don't. everything else works.

[lucid iron]

!json

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[real aurora]

just to be clear, the map properties i'm editing is the "stumps" properties

[lucid iron]

For map properties did you put them on your tmx

Oh those need terrain reset right

Are you testing on new save

[vernal crest]

Not if it's the map property, no, I don't think so. Only if it's paths.

[real aurora]

yes! the map properties i put them on my tmx, and yes, i'm testing on a new save...

[vernal crest]

Map properties don't transfer from a source map when you use EditMap. You have to set them using Content Patcher's MapProperties field.

[real aurora]

the paths works perfectly, but the stumps respawn at the original locations from the first mod

[vernal crest]

What do you mean by "the paths work perfectly"?

[real aurora]

the paths layer in the tmx

i haven't noticed there's a map properties field in content patcher. i have to set it in content.json?

[vernal crest]

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/action-editmap.md#edit-map-properties

[real aurora]

oh thank you so much! i'll try it right away!

[vernal crest]

My confidence in this statement of mine is not high, I will admit.

[real aurora]

it worked like a charm!

thank you so much!!

[tidal stone]

ok ive got the art done for the seeds, the plants themselves, and the item drops of the plants

now imma try to get them to actually grow and be harvestable in game

then ill work on art for my recipes and implementing my machine and the recipes

excited!!

[tidal stone]

what mod category do tilesheets for maps typically go under? just maps?

[flat sluice]

DaisyNiko's Tilesheets are under Modding Tools category (https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/4736).
Lumisteria Tilesheets are in Visual and Graphics. (https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/9599 and https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/10448)

[hard fern]

i guess it depends on the mod author

[flat sluice]

Honestly, I'd give them to Modding Tools category, but it's totally up to you.

[tidal stone]

ok ill put it under modding tools ty ty

tilesheet published

now i just gotta finish my other 2 mods

XD

the furniture one and the herbs and flowers one

[hard fern]

i should be working on my map but i have to make so many buildings

[tidal stone]

and my third big one but thats a long ways away

oh thats real

[hard fern]

yeah i have like 50 wips

i could finish one and publish it within like an hour or two

but

who careees

it would mean i have to actually figure things out

[tidal stone]

[tidal stone]

does sprite index mean what square on the sheet the sprites on

[unreal spoke]

Yup. Starts with 0 in the top left corner and increases by 1 for every square you move to the right iirc.

[tidal stone]

ty ty

ok im confused immediately do i need C# to do crops in the end because this says to make a custom object which it says requires C# 😦

[ornate trellis]

you can make crops solely with CP

just extra fancy stuff would require C#(or if you feel like doing it from scratch, I guess)

[tidal stone]

[lucid iron]

The c# is how to do this in c#

[vernal crest]

You do not need C# to make custom objects.

[ornate trellis]

if you want some example mod you can look at my 'The Voidwitch's Familiar' mod

it got a handful of crops and recipes n stuff

[tidal stone]

[tiny zealot]

that doesn't say it requires C#. it's just telling you what the item type is called in C# land (and where to look for the code for them)

[tidal stone]

how do i add my seeds to pierres shop i have
but it doesnt show any signs of being a patch that would add it to the shop unless the caregory auto does it

[tiny zealot]

that just makes the object. to add it to the shop, you have to patch Data/Shops

[tidal stone]

aa gotcha

[tiny zealot]

[[Modding:Shops]]

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Shops

[tiny zealot]

actually, some shops probably use item queries, so for some items it may be enough to simply define them

[tidal stone]

how do i get ItemID is that just like modid_itemname?

[tiny zealot]

the id is the key you chose for it in the patch to Data/Objects

[tidal stone]

key?

[tiny zealot]

in the picture above, {{ModId}}_Chamomileseeds

[tidal stone]

oohh

[tiny zealot]

you may need to qualify it, in which case it would be (O){{ModId}}_Chamomileseeds

depends on the context. sometimes not qualifying is fine, other times it's required

[tidal stone]

ok

im gonna tyry to load in one seed/plant/object at a time to make sure i get it all to work

is there a field that makes something specifically need the scythe to be harvested

[tiny zealot]

Data/Crops:
"HarvestMethod": "Scythe"

[tidal stone]

cool ty ty

would i put the PlantedIn field under crops or under objects for the seeds

[tiny zealot]

whichever one has that in its data model. i assume crops

[tidal stone]

ok i got one in as a seed bag however idk how to plant it and get it to change to the planted seeds

ok there are some fields in missing in the xample imma add and see if i can get it to grow ✨

What type is a crop

hmm ig that would be cooking since it can be an ingrediant

[rigid musk]

if you mean the items itself it would be vegetable or a fruit no?

[tidal stone]

i changed it to flower

[rigid musk]

er flower

yeah

-80 i think is flowers

[warm imp]

have you looked at how the base game handles crops? crop items and crop seeds are in Data/Objects; the crop items are type basic

[tidal stone]

oh

[rigid musk]

You should have two objects relating to your crops - the seeds themselves and then the actual crop object
seeds are -74 for category (type 'seed') and then your crop object will be flowers / -80

then you'll have your crop data itself which will reference those things

[tidal stone]

yea im slowly figuring this out with you guys' help

[rigid musk]

//Crop Data
"{{ModId}}_WhiteCarrotSeeds":{
                "Seasons": ["winter"],
                "DaysInPhase":[ 2, 2, 2],
                "HarvestItemId": "{{ModId}}_WhiteCarrot",
                "Texture": "Mods/{{ModId}}/whitecarrotplant",
                "SpriteIndex": 0,
                },
//Seed Data
            "{{ModId}}_WhiteCarrotSeeds": {
            "Name": "{{ModId}}_WhiteCarrotSeeds",
            "DisplayName": "{{i18n:aos.whitecarrotseeds.name}}",
            "Description": "{{i18n:aos.whitecarrotseeds.desc}}",
            "Type": "Seed",
            "Category": -74,
            "Price": 35,
            "Texture": "Mods/{{ModId}}/whitecarrotseeds",
            "SpriteIndex": 0,
                          },
//Crop Item/Produce
            "{{ModId}}_WhiteCarrot": {
            "Name": "{{ModId}}_WhiteCarrot",
            "DisplayName": "{{i18n:aos.whitecarrot.name}}",
            "Description": "{{i18n:aos.whitecarrot.desc}}",
            "Type": "Vegetable",
            "Category": -75,
            "Price": 75,
            "Texture": "Mods/{{ModId}}/whitecarrot",
            "SpriteIndex": 0,
            "Edibility": 40,
            "ContextTags": [
                        "color_white",
                        "season_winter",
                            ]
                          },```

sorry if the formatting looks really weird but here's a few slices of code I pulled out from one of my mods

[tidal stone]

so i looked it up and whole chamomile is so expansive compared to like a parsnip but i dont wanna make it real life equiv and give you a crop that sells for like 10x the peice of parsnip cause that would be a get money quick scheme which im not a fan of

[rigid musk]

I added note context for them to show which was waht

[tidal stone]

ty ty for the example

aw i still cant plant my seeds

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/3c417a9585ff4d9fae64ed7cb41efa69

[rigid musk]

I believe your crop data needs to match the seed data

so it'd be 'chamomileseeds'

[tidal stone]

oooh

it worked ty tyyyyy

!!!

[tidal stone]

whyd it take the plant getting to stage three for me to go "this aint chamomile"

how did i not clock i put the wrong sprite XD

im having a hard time getting the correct sprite for my plant 😓

[hot gale]

Well I think my scope creep is satiated, don't have any other ideas so I guess time to just wait for people to report bugs ;p

[tidal stone]

i figured it out

also good for you man got some rest time

meanwhile that sap person gave me an idea so now if i finish my other 2 ideas i might intro bubblegum to sdv maybe

sap is used to make soap 2 so i might make some of those

id make glue but like 4 what

soap is alsoa 4 what

but i figured it would make good presents

hmm

actually hmm

i might add the sap to my herbs and flowers mod and change it to "the cottage life"
let you make some herbal soaps

scope creepin is real

[ornate locust]

soap creeping

[tidal stone]

pine tar - is used to make soap

ill use the sap to make variuous gums then

oh ig i could use sap to make glue in game for the artsn crafts recipes i plan to make

thoughts on a newstand that takes back old newspapers you fish up and gives you back a 'new' newspaper after every x amount that is a universally 'liked' item and also sells gum

also taking suggestions on ways to imrpove this idea

im not completely on the newsstand idea i just dunno if i wanna make a mod thats purely just gum you buy as pierre's

or manufacture yourselrf

i think ill shelf it until i have more of an idea of what to do

[raven mirage]

Hello. May someone help me with modding please? I'm trying to do the farm map, first time, and i have a couple (maybe stupid) questions:

1. I know we can add additional places (like second cave) but is there a way to "open" that place after CC is complete, for example?
2. Can we have different forage places in a one map? Like if there are a beach and the forest on the farm?

[royal sphinx]

Hey! Is there a way to remove starting tools on new start completely using only content patcher?

[reef kiln]

There is nothing wrong with a mod that just does Gum. Remember, the more you add to your mod, the higher the chance there is something in it that someone does not want. There is no harm in having multiple smaller mods based around a single theme (other then having to update them all)

[latent mauve]

Alternatively, you can conditionally patch the options people might not want with config options, Frog

[reef kiln]

So a herb mod, a newsstand mod, an npc mod. It could be one big mod or 3 smaller mods.

[reef kiln]

True.

[latent mauve]

Which I think might be a better option here for the newspaper and gum since they are tied to the same modded location idea

Unless the NPC runs the newstand, then the NPC could just be it's own mod

The negative of splitting up mods too much is that you can't use tokens from them together without using CMCT as a dependency

[reef kiln]

True one mod that does a news stand, with an Npc, that sells gum and papers should be one mod. But something that does un related stuffseed mod should probably be it's own mod. I guess is what I was saying.

[latent mauve]

I agree, that's why I just clarified my own statement 🙂

[brittle pasture]

1. You can add map patches that are only applied behind a When condition; in this case you can use CP's IsCommunityCenterComplete
2. FTM allows you to define forage spawn areas

[tidal stone]

I might just do a simple gum mod called "SAP"

as a working title

[brittle pasture]

I think you can do a RemoveItem trigger action, and have it run on day start if the date is Spring 1 Year 1

[uncut viper]

iirc the game will do its very best to make sure you do not lose your tools

[brittle pasture]

yeah that's the other issue, they will then show up at the mayor's lost and found later

if this is for a "never leaves the farm" challenge I guess you can add a custom farm with no exits

[gray bear]

never leaves the farm but you literally can't

so is it really a challenge

[tawny ore]

In order to remove tools without the game trying to give them back to you, you'd probably have to move them into an inaccessible chest since the game counts those as you having them still.

Which I don't think is possible using Content Patcher alone.

[gleaming moat]

Anyone here have recommendations for video tutorials for beginners to start learning how to make mods? I'm talking beginner beginner level with no prior mod creating experience

[uncut viper]

is the lost and found thing a tiledata or a hardcoded thing

[brittle pasture]

there are no videos that are updated for 1.6

[raven mirage]

Oh, thank you very much 🙂 May I clarify with FTM, should i add the areas only in json or there should be some specific properties on the map tiles for that?

[latent mauve]

Video tutorials are going to be almost entirely out of date

[gleaming moat]

Ah darn. Thank you!!

[latent mauve]

They don't keep up with the game changes quickly enough to be viable to learn modding from, but we do have plenty of text tutorials available!

[brittle pasture]

yeah, the modding landscape changes very fast, and any video guides will inevitably be out of date with no easy way to update them

[reef kiln]

Video tutorial are hard because they tend to not get updated.

[brittle pasture]

i believe it's all in the FTM json

[tawny ore]

And also, video tutorials are usually not up to date. In case the first 5 responses weren't enough /lh

[latent mauve]

https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Category:Tutorials

[uncut viper]

seems like its just a tiledata actually so i guess you can remove this and the mail you get about the lost and found tools and then the player will never know the tools are in the lost and found and cant retrieve them even if they did

[lucid iron]

I thought lost and found is specific to manorhouse

[uncut viper]

it's a tile data in the manor house

to open the dialogue

[hot gale]

remove tools, all work now done by hand

breaking trees takes 14 in game days

[gray bear]

punch trees. the true minecraft way

[uncut viper]

i just meant I didn't know if the dialogue thing itself was hardcoded to specific coordinates so as to always be available

[latent mauve]

Rokugin's ExtraMapActions allows you to place the tiledata elsewhere to open the Lost and Found.