making-mods-general

[tidal stone]

because i set it as back cause it says terrain but i can walk on it but idk if thats because i had it really low on the order or not

[urban patrol]

cliff edges should be on buildings to prevent the player walking onto it

[tidal stone]

[urban patrol]

back is for grass and paths and floors and water

[vernal crest]

It's very helpful to have vanilla maps open so you can see how they're doing things and copy that until you're confident you understand it well enough to do things differently.

[tidal stone]

which layer would you say i should put shadows on? back?

Oh i didnt think of that aba

[urban patrol]

no, back2, because you need the grass or whatever to display underneath it

[rigid oriole]

In SpecialOrder::GetSpecialOrder, there's a big try/catch block wrapping most of the method. My mod is triggering the catch block with a NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object. at StardewValley.SpecialOrders.SpecialOrder.GetSpecialOrder(String key, Nullable1 generation_seed) in D:\GitlabRunner\builds\Gq5qA5P4\0\ConcernedApe\stardewvalley\Farmer\Farmer\SpecialOrders\SpecialOrder.cs:line 668. Line 668 in my decompile is just the do keyword part of a do/while pair, so I'm struggling to track down what is actually causing the null reference. Is there a way to get a better stacktrace?

[rancid musk]

Assuming you can't trick a debugger into letting you step through the function, you could try recompiling the game from the decompile repo and running against that?

And then debugging the method there

[teal bridge]

Will it eventually form a pyramid?

[uncut viper]

if you want to do it the dumb way, you can also transpile a Monitor.Log after every single line with the line just before it as the text so you know where it stops

[rigid oriole]

very cursed

[rancid musk]

Um. Technically I could let it form a pyramid? But I was honestly planning on just going for two rows that scroll if you really need that many tabs

[teal bridge]

Hmmm, so what happens after 22, just throws an exception saying "too many tabs", or ignores the new ones?

Also curious what it looks like when a back row tab is selected, or do you flip the rows?

[dusk mulch]

Okay, what should I do next for my mod?

[rancid musk]

I'm probably going to flip the rows.

[dusk mulch]

.choose Make Flint NPC, Make mayor NPC, Make events, Make more dialouge, Make abbandoned building, Bug test, Get beta testers, Add the custom ticket machine

[patent lance]

Choose result: Make mayor NPC

[rancid musk]

But I want to do more testing and see what feels good, especially when using a controller.

[dusk mulch]

Eh, not too bad

[teal bridge]

Make sure to do your testing with LT/RT and not just focusing/clicking the tabs.

It's probably going to be a little unintuitive what happens when you reach the edge.

[rancid musk]

Of course.

Honestly I was just thinking it might make more sense, given the way the tabs are laid out, for it to alternate between the first and second row when using LT/RT and not swap the rows

But then that needs to make sense with the other interactions

[teal bridge]

And it would either be hard to navigate the vanilla tabs with all the junk in between, or the tabs would seem to have a weird layout with primary vanilla tabs being at the back (even for mouse users).

[vernal crest]

What happens to the rows when UI zoom is increased?

[rancid musk]

Definitely something that will require testing.

[vernal crest]

I do like the rows.

[rancid musk]

And yeah, the UI zoom being increased sounds like a case where I'd need to just disable that row and only use scrolling.

[teal bridge]

I'd say use LT/RT for pages and LB/RB for rows of pages, but unfortunately LB/RB are used for in-page pagination within specific tabs.

(My solution to UI zoom is "screw you", but I guess if it's intended as a main menu replacement, that might not be practical)

[rancid musk]

Yeah, can only really use LT and RT safely. Might just have people move the cursor up into the tabs if they want to switch rows quicker.

And I wish my solution to UI zoom could be screw you, lol

Pretty much all of this sounds like a Future Khloe problem after the first release, though.

Since I don't expect people to register many new tabs for a good while.

[dusk mulch]

God how do yall write dialogue? It is monotonous boring work.

I will avoid the dialogue and do the sprites and portraits

[dusk mulch]

Is it ethical to use vanilla assets for mods? Like if I were making an NPC and I used Pennys sprites, would that be socially allowed?

[hard fern]

It would probably be odd to have two pennys

But it's not like people are gonna bust down your door for kt

I think the worst that would happen is people might see it as lazy to just reuse a vanilla sprite without any modifications

[dusk mulch]

I can give her a bow?

remove the blush

[hard fern]

I mean, it's your npc, you can do whatever you'd like

[dusk mulch]

:D

I can make a Frankenstein!

[hard fern]

yeah, you could

[tidal stone]

should i avoid trying to put water on my maps or should i justt ry to make a fishing spot anyway because why not

[dusk mulch]

Did you make your map from scratch or did you start with a vanilla map and edit that?

[tidal stone]

scratch

[dusk mulch]

@vernal crest Yeah we do need to emphasize that.

[latent mauve]

Always try to build your maps based on vanilla maps if possible, it avoids breaking the animated/special tiles if you're already using a tileset that includes them.

[naive wyvern]

Ohhh... yeah..
Its better to start from vanilla because you get to keep map properties that way
So things like water and such you wont have to worry about anymore

Im afraid you might have to restart your map if you intend on having water and other animated tiles like what lily said

[latent mauve]

It doesn't matter if you completely erase the map tiles after, but having the tilesheets pre-attached fixes a lot of weirdness that you'll run into otherwise

[dusk mulch]

Or...

You could go into the tileset inside tiled and add a tile property to the water tiles to make their animation work.

Do note that the animation won't be the same as vanilla but hey! You will have an animation

(This is a guess, someone back me up if needed)

[tidal stone]

so if i did that would things like going into a building using a door be attached or is it more usable trash cans

[hard fern]

Im? Not sure it works like that.

Why wouldn't it be the same as vanilla

[dusk mulch]

I did it, let me see if it works. I havn't paid attention

[hard fern]

If you're using the vanilla water

[latent mauve]

Water property on the back layer should pull the vanilla overlay, yes

[hard fern]

That's what i had figured too, so im not sure why there would suddenly be a "different" animation?

[dusk mulch]

It was Chu who told me about the different animation (I am pretty sure)

[latent mauve]

Main things that won't be 'properly' animated if you aren't using a pre-attached tsx: water ripples, waterfalls, the little bouncy grass decor tiles

[tidal stone]

aaah ok

i dont have a ton of the bouncy little grass deco tiles and i dont really need to make a water feature as it doesnt have a reason to be in the town

[hard fern]

<- i have beef with animated tiles

[tidal stone]

i was just gonna if i could easily

[dusk mulch]

yeah that would work

[tidal stone]

next time ill use a map ! a vanilla one!

[dusk mulch]

let me see if it is the vanilla animationm

[latent mauve]

see those tiles with the little white/black symbols on them?

Those are animated from the vanilla TSX

[dusk mulch]

Nevermind, it is the vanilla animation

Ignore me

[latent mauve]

If you add tilesets manually from scratch, those won't be animated, so you'd have to go and re-add the animation yourself and then potentially save your newly animated tilesheet as a TSX that goes into your mod folder next to the map. It's a bit of a mess.

[dusk mulch]

Boooo TSX

[unique sigil]

One of the biggest reasons starting from a copy of a vanilla map is so you don't need to re-animate the tiles from spring_outdoorsTileSheet

[latent mauve]

You might be able to get away with exporting the vanilla animated TSX and then attaching that to your custom map, but then you have to redo all the tiles anyway. xD

[unique sigil]

it saves time and mistakes, because that tilesheet is a bit of a mess

[hard fern]

Sometimes i wonder why im even making the mod that i am and then i remember that it's easier than making a webcomic

[tidal stone]

this is useful information I will use if I ever make a map that utilizes those tiles then :0

[unique sigil]

"a bit" is an understatement, tbh

[tidal stone]

I was thinking I might make a kind of like river centric town but im glad i decided not to last minute

i feel like i would have cried needing to redo it all

[unique sigil]

Are you running into problems with the water tiles?

i just came into the convo so im lacking context, but i can help with that if you explain more

[tidal stone]

nah i was mostly just wondering about it, my town is supposed to be 'along the highway' type of town so it doesnt necessarily need a water feature thank goodness

[hard fern]

There's no need to redo the water so long as you're using the right tiles (and then animating them)

[tidal stone]

i do have one tile i think needs animation

the fountain on this map

[hard fern]

Ah

[dusk mulch]

you dont have to "animate them" you can go into the tilesheet in tiled, put a water tile property on the water and you're good

[unique sigil]

The shimmering animated water overlay relies on the map being marked as outdoors and the tile having Water T property on it. it's not an animation you apply manually

[tidal stone]

theoretically i could remove the fountain

[unique sigil]

if the water is indoor you need the indoorWater T map property

[hard fern]

Are you sure you know which water im actually talking about

[tidal stone]

i mostly put it there as a 'wealth' object

[latent mauve]

the fountain is indeed animated tiles, but at least that's just one set.

[unique sigil]

Yeah, it's from town tilesheet

[dusk mulch]

oh, uh. ignore me.

[tidal stone]

would it be difficult to animate just that then and then in the future ill do it properly with vanilla

i would like to avoid remaking the map LMAO

[unique sigil]

You can reference how to do the animation from spring_town.png in the Town.tmx map

[hot gale]

Hmm that was supposed to be a gif

[unique sigil]

alternatively, you can export that tilesheet from Town.tmx as a .tsx file, and import that to your current map

[tidal stone]

ill see if i can figure it out and if not ill just have a larger parking spot for the car lol

[devout otter]

Yar, you can copy-paste the animation data for each of those tiles.

[hard fern]

(tldr: tiled hard)

[tidal stone]

ooh

[latent mauve]

you could absolutely open the unpacked Town tbin and export the Town tilesheet, yes

That's what I was gonna suggest 😄

[unique sigil]

thats also my suggestion but only to save kandi the time and effort of redoing the entire map

[dusk mulch]

Lord the farmer base is horrifying... shudders

[latent mauve]

In the future, absolutely do it properly, but as a fix this time around? Totally fine.

[hot gale]

Having a lot of fun making potions and elixirs, also kill me I just noticed I typod elixir on the item names rofllll

[unique sigil]

I'm not an advocate for .tsx files ever since i made my template map

[latent mauve]

Especially since Kandi will only need to change the fountain tiles to the 'new' tsx being attached from the Town export.

[hard fern]

.tsx is irritating because i exported one and then ended up with like 3 copies of the same tilesheet and had to fumble to figure out which one to kill

[unique sigil]

yeah, thats my issue with .tsx

[latent mauve]

I feel like there was a script floating around somewhere to merge tilesheets in Tiled

[unique sigil]

I know there is an extension to yeet tilesheets you dont use in the current map

[crude plank]

[unique sigil]

but I usually only do that after im done with the map, which doesnt resolve my grievances with .tsx files at all

[vernal crest]

Animating tiles is really not that difficult. I do it a bunch for my map making.

I'd absolutely hand animate over importing a tsx in the situation where I'd already placed a bunch of tiles from a tilesheet.

I'm guessing it might be possible to point the existing tilesheet source to the tsx to prevent having to place the tiles again but even if that does work I think it would require a fair bit of care.

[vernal crest]

Hey you might want to check with the Junimos about your display name in case it counts as being against the rules

[tidal stone]

how does coding an exterior door to let you into a house work is it the same as a warp on a tile just you specify clicking?

[dusk mulch]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Maps#General

[latent mauve]

Exterior door warps are just Action Warp tileData objects (or Action LockedDoorWarp if there is a time or friendship condition to enter)

[dusk mulch]

6th last entry

[hard fern]

Hmm sigh i feel like my workload never goes down XD

[dusk mulch]

omg ikr, i finish 1 task then 5 more pop up

[latent mauve]

I was intending to do a lot more mod work with my day off today, but my body decided to get a fever instead

[hard fern]

Gws

[dusk mulch]

hope you feel better soon!

[latent mauve]

It's just about gone now, just in time to have to go to bed and wake up in the morning to go back to work again

[dusk mulch]

LOLLL I WAS DOING MY CUSTOM NPC SPRITES AND I DID THIS

[hot gale]

if Pierre is SeedsShop what is the adventurers guild shop?

[hot gale]

lmfao

SeedShop*

[hard fern]

[[Modding:Shops]]

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Shops

[hot gale]

ty!

[hot gale]

ty lol

oh

that was a bot

rofl

Thats a dope command

[hard fern]

Lol

[tidal stone]

if i have a "doorway:" thats 3 tiles long do i have to make a location warp for each tile or is there a way to encaptulate all tiles within one location warp

oh goodnes this code is confusing me now LMAO so many identical entries

[dusk mulch]

it would just be the same thing 3 times in different spots

[tidal stone]

alrighty

[vernal crest]

You can just use one object that's three tiles wide.

You can copy and paste a one-tile object twice but I'd just make one.

[tidal stone]

whys it so dark on my map geez

[vernal crest]

But if you just have one, the player will warp to the same spot on the interior map from all three tiles. If you have three, you can change where the player warps to.

If your map is meant to be an outdoors one, make sure it has the map property Outdoors T so it gets outdoor lighting.

[tidal stone]

how do i give it a property is that in the text of it?

or is that another "you should have used vanilla maps" thing

[tidal stone]

oh ok phew i was like :i will start over tof ix the problem"

[vernal crest]

If you click on that, it should open the map properties box. You'd add a new custom property by clicking on the little + icon. Property name = Outdoors in the box that pops up, then click ok. Then add T in the box to the right of where Outdoors now is.

[tidal stone]

i think i need to redo the mayors house, grr i have this black empty void around the map 😔 i wish you could make the map bigger after making it the first tiem but the property thing appears locked in that section

[gentle rose]

if you’re talking about tiled, you can do one object that’s three tiles wide, but it has to be snapped exactly to the edges of the tiles

[vernal crest]

You can definitely make a map bigger after making it the first time.

[tidal stone]

do you know hwo t unlock it, its all greyed out for me?

[vernal crest]

It's also normal to have a void around smaller interior maps.

[vernal crest]

What is greyed out?

[tidal stone]

this isnt an interior map its an exterior one which is why its wigging me out 😔 its just like a very enclosed map like a little grove

the width and the height of the map

[vernal crest]

Where are you trying to change it?

[tidal stone]

map properties

[gentle rose]

is this a map you made from scratch or an existing map you’re modifying?

[vernal crest]

That's not where you resize maps. Go Map -> Resize Map.

Scratch, iro.

[tidal stone]

oh

[gentle rose]

(hi aba!)

[tidal stone]

do you guys know how big the basic map size would be to have no void spaces

[vernal crest]

They did not know you should start with a vanilla base before. They do now lol

[tidal stone]

yea starting now all my maps will be vanilla bases XD

[gentle rose]

I was actually asking in case they were trying to extend a vanilla map south or west haha

is it south or north I always forget

[vernal crest]

South is fine, it's north that won't work

Because 0, 0 is top left always

[gentle rose]

yup. As soon as I typed it I knew it should be north haha

maths brain says the y axis should be positive going up

[hard fern]

I learned that the hsrd way

To not exted up and tp the left

Or Else

[gentle rose]

I wonder if an !extendingmaps command would be helpful since we’ve been telling people about that a lot recently

[uncut viper]

to be fair, you definitely can do it

[gentle rose]

oh yeah for sure, you just need to know to watch out for those things

[uncut viper]

do not ask me to be liable for damages

[gentle rose]

(and people forget to include west half the time when warning people, and only mention north)

[hard fern]

I forget which direction west is and have to the never eat shredded wheat

[vernal crest]

You can't guarantee it for everyone because of different zooms and resolutions, so my suggestion is to just experiment to find what you want it to be. It'll be very quick to check because you can just make a copy of your map (just in case of messing up when experimenting), then change the size and paint the new tiles bright green or something, then check in game. Since you can use patch reload to update the changes in game, you can change it and check it in about 30 seconds.

[gentle rose]

sorry, I put you down as liable for all my mods already

[gentle rose]

wdym by void spaces?

[uncut viper]

you're gonna have a lot of angry customers when they hear what i have to say to their complaints, then, if you appoint me customer service

[gentle rose]

…I’m okay with that

[vernal crest]

The black around the edges like in the starter farmhouse, Linus's tent, etc

[hard fern]

I think they mean the all encompassing Void aka the black around walls

[vernal crest]

I can't think of any exterior map that shows the void off the top of my head

[hard fern]

If your map is small, then i think it would, but not any of the vanilla ones are like that afaik

[uncut viper]

bus stop did for a long time

[gentle rose]

ah. Then vanilla zoom goes down to 75% at the lowest. idk how the game scales for different resolutions, but I assume viewport probably stays fixed to width?

[vernal crest]

Ah ha, I found one. The gem bird area on the island.

[gentle rose]

(if it’s fixed to height or not fixed at all though you have to consider how it will look on wide monitors)

[uncut viper]

the island is where i wouldve looked too, i was gonna say maybe the caldera too

[vernal crest]

I definitely saw more void when I zoomed out just then

[gentle rose]

does the path to the witch’s lair count as outdoors? bc I’m pretty sure that shows the void

without even zooming out

[uncut viper]

isnt that literally in a cave

[gentle rose]

topologically, caves are basically outdoors

(/lh)

[uncut viper]

topologically, nothing is indoors

[gentle rose]

if you close the door and windows it’s indoors

[uncut viper]

never seen a door that has an airtight seal at the bottom

[hard fern]

Id it outdoors when theres no door to our in cave so cave is outdoors because there's no door to in

[gentle rose]

bank vaults. clean rooms using stored air.

[vernal crest]

Hang a curtain at your cave entrance

[gentle rose]

those giant human-sized hamster balls

[uncut viper]

why do they call it indoors when you door in the cold air door out hot close the door

[gentle rose]

did you just have a stroke or did I

or both

[vernal crest]

I thought she must be quoting a meme so I googled it lol

[hard fern]

Why do they call it an oven when you

Aw you beat me

[vernal crest]

So Jon is the one having the stroke

[uncut viper]

i even took the time to resize it bc the version i found was 5500x3800 pixels for some reason

[latent mauve]

So not sure if Kandi was informed of this, but, the map property ViewportClamp is your friend if you are trying to avoid black void around outdoor maps

[gentle rose]

I assume that’s an I’m Sorry Jon

[latent mauve]

(alternatively, do what the Woods does and cheat with the foliage border)

[gentle rose]

this is so useful to know!

[hard fern]

I feel like that says something about me that i know what you're talking about

Viewport clamp my new best friend

(what does it do)

[uncut viper]

clamps the viewport innit

[latent mauve]

It locks the view of the map to within a specific range of tile coordinates

(The BusStop uses it, if you want a vanilla example)

[gentle rose]

huh. the copypasta existed before the garfield comic. neat

(it was originally an askreddit thread apparently bc ofc it was )

[latent mauve]

I feel like I have asked this question before a while back, but I don't recall the answer: If you change a vanilla NPC's gender, does the game automatically change what frames it looks for in regards to wedding and flower dance sprites?

[uncut viper]

it should, since it just looks at the gender field

[latent mauve]

Ok, so my sprite changes for Harvey and Haley are gonna be a mess, good to know

[tidal stone]

i found more water but i handled it dw >.>

i forgot the bathhouse had that little spring on it

[devout otter]

The way mods usually do it is to change the character's gender field back just for during the festival.

[hot gale]

Anyone know why these potions wouldn't be added to crafting?
https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/ab99e0b241694966875a192659f7f3d5

[uncut viper]

almost definitely because you put slashes in their ids

[hot gale]

Ahhhh, damn

[uncut viper]

dont do that

also LogName doesnt do anything inside ObjectData

its something you put on the patch itself

[hot gale]

Amazing, ty!

[uncut viper]

crafting recipes are a slash-delimited string, so having a slash in your item id will ofc break it

bc it sees a slash

and cuts things off at the slash

in general just stick to dots, underscores, and alphanumeric characters

this goes for just about everything i can think of off the top of my head besides asset names/Load targets

as slashes are a very common delimiter

if you particularly care about Lookup Anything integration, you also specifically want to do {{ModId}}_ItemId

[hot gale]

Thanks so much, fixed the issue :)

[brave fable]

it doesn't matter if you happen to have an item named Quite Specific Sushi, you have to start it with {{ModId}}. this is non-negotiable

[rotund elm]

This made me giggle I’ll make sure I plaster {{ModId}} everywhere

[gray bear]

without {[ModId}} is it really YOUR mod? hmm

[hot gale]

https://nom0ri.github.io/sdv-i18nifier-app

This is sick

Its so sick im sure everyone knows about it, but in the off chance someone doesnt

[earnest juniper]

I'm tempted to make a stardew mod to give more depth to your children

It would be so funny if you have a kid with Abigail and they just inherit Abby's love for rocks

[candid stratus]

I haven't really found a lot of info on this, but how can you make a cutscene in a mod or change an existing cutscene?

[hard fern]

[[Modding:Events]] do you want to know how to make events?

Ok that doesn't work

[[Modding:Events]]

:...

[candid stratus]

F

[hot gale]

Does i18n not translate buffs?

[hard fern]

Well ok I guess the command doesn't work that way

I thought it did 😔

[vernal crest]

If you're referring to what the game refers to as events rather than what it refers to as cutscenes, yes, easily with Content Patcher. If you're referring to what the game calls cutscenes you'd need C#.

[candid stratus]

I have some years of experience in C#, I'm gonna have to make a proper mod for the rest of my mod regardless, but I was wondering whether there are some docs on it specifically for cutscenes

[vernal crest]

This is what Forsy was trying to link to: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Event_data

[hard fern]

Oh Its event data...

[vernal crest]

Are you sure you mean cutscenes?

[hard fern]

What does cutscenes mean in game? Not events

[candid stratus]

I mean cutscenes like the NPC cutscenes with for instance Linus going through the trash

[vernal crest]

There are a few hardcoded events in game. They are referred to as cutscenes. Things like the band playing in the city, Maru's robot flying away, etc.

[deep cypress]

@stormUsu those are called events, but I totally call them cutscens IRL too!

Sorry, my reply is to Storm!

[candid stratus]

Oh, well that's a bit unfortunate with events being a fundamental concept in programming haha

But yes events then, with dialogue and moving around of NPCs

[vernal crest]

Then the page that I linked is what you want

[deep cypress]

That bit confused me so hard at first!

[candid stratus]

Okay perfect, thank you! When I first saw this page I thought it literally just meant storing game state data

[hard fern]

😅 and here I think of cutscenes as cinematic animated parts in a game, since I'm used to that kind of thing

[vernal crest]

Do you want to make a C# mod specifically, Storm?

[candid stratus]

So this way by altering the xnb file for a specific event, I could theoretically also change dialogue for already existing events?

[hard fern]

editing xnbs?

[vernal crest]

Yup you can edit vanilla events, lots of mods do. If compatibility matters to you it can be a bit of a minefield.

[candid stratus]

I want to make a mod yes, I want to involve quite some boss fights that have staged mechanics so I dont think I'm getting away with content packs

Among other things

[hard fern]

But, why edit the xnbs

[candid stratus]

Compatibility doesnt matter to me, I'm making it as a stand-alone mod since it's basically an adventure mod

[vernal crest]

Most people would recommend you make a combined CP and C# mod rather than try to reinvent the wheel and do all of it in C# but you certainly can do it all in C# if you want to.

[hard fern]

I don't think you can do the things you're thinking of by xnbs modding though

[vernal crest]

I'm assuming Storm doesn't mean directly editing the xnbs the way you're thinking of Forsy.

[candid stratus]

Is there another way to edit existing events?

[vernal crest]

The page I linked doesn't have much information for C# event editing specifically, but it should help give some context at least.

Yes, we use Content Patcher to edit game data.

[candid stratus]

I was thinking of a combination of CP and C# too as making everything from scratch would be a bit too much effort, I do want to make one isometric map though so that might be difficult :p

And I also have one funky-working weapon

[hard fern]

Well, I'd hope I'm wrong in that case haha

[vernal crest]

There are a bunch of tutorials about event-making on the modding wiki too https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Special:Search?search=event+intitle%3Aevent&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current={"fields"%3A{"intitle"%3A"event"}}&ns0=1 (I hope that search result works properly).

[candid stratus]

I dont mean directly editing the xnb I think

[candid stratus]

thanks!

[vernal crest]

If you're not already familiar with the process of CP modding there's a tutorial and the CP docs to get you started too.

[candid stratus]

Are there content packs for events too? I didnt immediately find one

[vernal crest]

Yes almost every mod that adds/edits events is going to be a Content Patcher mod, I don't know of any mods that edit or add events via C# actually, though I'm sure there must be some.

[candid stratus]

huh, interesting, that's good to know. I was already thinking of building a state machine for event tracking haha

[vernal crest]

I couldn't name a mod that does nothing but edit an event off the top of my head, but pretty much any NPC mod there is will have examples of adding new events and there are many mods that edit vanilla events.

[hard fern]

What does the state machine do?

[hot gale]

how do I add translation files? default.json and then I just add like de.json?

[hard fern]

Yes

[candid stratus]

Well in the case that I'd have to program an event from scratch, I'd need some kind of trackers for the progress of the event, but if it's possible through content patcher, that'll save a lot of trouble

[hot gale]

Ty :)

[vernal crest]

Here's how to bundle a CP pack with your C# mod build, by the way. And I'd recommend looking into Khloe's ModManifestBuilder too.

I'll see if I can find a good mod to recommend you deconstruct.

[candid stratus]

Thanks! I'll save all these links. I was looking at SVE but couldnt immediately find event handling from the source code so I figured that data was packed

[hard fern]

😅 SVE is... Complicated

[vernal crest]

Hmm, we'll go with Lacey. She's pretty up to date and I trust ichor's work. Oh and he multilines his events, even better!

SVE is gigantic and full of legacy practices so it can be a difficult starting point.

This is a quick look at how a CP patch adding a new event can look.

Doesn't look like he edits any vanilla events though. But if you're not worried about compatibility with other mods, you don't really have to worry about trying to be delicate when editing a vanilla event - you can basically just treat it like you're adding a new event and replace the whole thing in the same way that you would make a new event.

[hot gale]

Is it bad practice to include AI Translation support?

[hard fern]

Yes

[hot gale]

Welp

[vernal crest]

Jorts and Jean has a couple of examples of editing vanilla events.

[candid stratus]

How can you replace an old event with a new one? By catching on to the asset load event?

[vernal crest]

I don't know how CP does it. Never looked at its guts.

[candid stratus]

Can you just tell CP to replace it?

Cause that'll work

[vernal crest]

As a CP user, you just create a patch with the existing entry key and it'll replace it, yeah.

[candid stratus]

That's convenient

I'm used to working very low level haha, most of my projects were in C so it's always a "make it yourself" kinda deal

[vernal crest]

Yeah I figured from the kinds of questions you've been asking lol

I'm coming from the opposite direction of no C# knowledge so I've learned a lot about modding with CP first and now I am starting to learn C# modding too.

[calm nebula]

Tbh if you're thinking isometric it is very much make it yourself

[candid stratus]

Oh yeah isometric will be completely custom, but I've made my own graphics engine to make a high performance flight sim, I'm not scared of some maths :p

if anything it'll be getting used to using tools that already exist

[calm nebula]

Good luck have fun you'll find out why every time someone mentions xtile there is swearing

[vernal crest]

I am scared of the maths

[candid stratus]

I dont blame you

It takes a special kind of crazy to have 15 pages of differential equations in your master thesis

That was truly swearing

[vernal crest]

I do maths by figuring out what the answer should be and then experimenting with formulas until I find something that gets to that answer.

[candid stratus]

I've definitely done that before, but there's a point where that's not possible anymore unfortunately

[swift needle]

what should i do with nxb to get the data? I forgot

xnb

[vernal crest]

!unpack

[ocean sail]

Follow this guide to unpack the game's content files in order to see and explore how the game data is structured.
It's helpful when making your own mods, or just to learn about how the game works!

To use this command, type !unpack.

[vernal crest]

Oh Storm you should unpack too.

[candid stratus]

especially when you start playing with camera positions and shaders

[vernal crest]

And decompile if you haven't already

[swift needle]

for andro

[vernal crest]

IDK if we have a command for that

[candid stratus]

Yeah I already found the page for unpacking, didnt touch it yet though. I've also already decompiled, then I found out there's ILSpy too hahaha

[vernal crest]

Oh, no idea, sorry. I don't know anything about Android and I don't know of anyone on this server who provides Android support.

[candid stratus]

I've been digging for a few days cause I dont wanna barge in here with questions that may be on the first page of the modding guide haha

which I probably still did to be fair, oops

[vernal crest]

It happens. I got as far as making myself a CP mod or two before coming in here but then I got stuck trying to get a custom map in game because I completely missed finding the info on the wiki for how to do it, though it was there.

[candid stratus]

There are a lot of pages to be fair yeah, easy to miss something

[vernal crest]

I'm glad I did though because I am not otherwise a community joiner and I would've missed out on a lot if I'd never joined.

[candid stratus]

I knew I was gonna have to join at one point cause 100% I was gonna overengineer things

[vernal crest]

There are some great people here. Lots of help, fun brainstorming, opportunities to help others, just chatting, support when things are tough.

I would definitely not still be modding Stardew by now if I hadn't joined because I would've gotten bored.

Instead I've learned how to use Content Patcher, learned how to make maps, learned how to draw, and even learned some C# (which has been so hard for me, my goodness).

[candid stratus]

Yeah C# isn't the easiest entry language :p I learnt java in 2014 to make minecraft plugins and that was.. an experience as well

and that was super jank too

[vernal crest]

I mostly only know R because of being a data analyst.

[calm nebula]

If you know c you can learn c# in two hours

Signed, learned c# in two hours

[vernal crest]

Oh and SAS

[candid stratus]

My current job is C# but I have 6 years of C experience, so I can probably handle it

I never actually learnt R, we always did statistics in C LOL

[lucid mulch]

if you have touched C# at all, you can have a hello world smapi mod in under 5 minutes

[vernal crest]

I was taught SPSS at uni but I did all my assignments in R

[candid stratus]

I dont doubt it yeah, the code for that is on the main modding wiki page as well

[vernal crest]

Psychologists are not known for their programming overall

[lucid mulch]

the steps of getting a development environment is so comically simple its absurd

[candid stratus]

Welcome to .NET :p

[lucid mulch]

install nuget package, have class extend mod, implement abstract class, press debug button and stardew launched

oh and get a manifest.json written up

arguably the longest step

[calm nebula]

Don't write your manifest.json, use mod manifest builder 😛

[lucid mulch]

yeah that tbh

[candid stratus]

I was wondering, how can you reliably test functionality somewhere late game? Can you create a test file? Do you make a warp map for testing maps?

[vernal crest]

Already linked ModManifestBuilder

[candid stratus]

yep have it bookmarked :p

[vernal crest]

Combination of downloading a perfection save from the internet and heavy use of debug commands.

[lucid mulch]

the debug commands are all you need

[proud wyvern]

and/or cheat mods

[candid stratus]

A lot of things that happen late game only occur once and having to test those continuously can be a pain

[lucid mulch]

a perfection save is literally just debug perfection and sleep

anything that you care about state, you get a save to that state, and then load it over and over and don't sleep to save

[candid stratus]

not sleeping is actually a stupid oversight of me

[calm nebula]

(Also almost everything is tracked as a mailflag)

(So if you know which flag you can trivially unset it.)

[lucid mulch]

getting a mod that puts the ok button for the overnight shipping stuff is a must have to not accidently save

[candid stratus]

doesnt it already have an ok button?

[lucid mulch]

only if you shipped something

[candid stratus]

fair

[calm nebula]

Eh, you can trivially restore the save from backup

[lucid mulch]

#effort

[calm nebula]

Or unset/set flags using console commands

[candid stratus]

Me in 2 weeks with 172 saves backed up

[proud wyvern]

just don't go to bed

[calm nebula]

!saves

[ocean sail]

Use this guide if you want to find your save file or transfer it between platforms:
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Saves.

To use this command, type !saves.

[calm nebula]

Irl advice?

[proud wyvern]

joke's on you, even if i go to bed, i can't sleep long nowadays

[lucid mulch]

I also use pause in multiplayer and use its pause time functionality

[proud wyvern]

i guess i am kinda like a farmer

go to sleep at 2 AM, wake up at 6 AM

[candid stratus]

flashbacks to competition where my only sleep was on my 10 minute break on the asphalt

[brave fable]

sleep all night, hoe all day

[patent lance]

New quote added by cosmicbea as #6326 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/1346831342687490089)

[gray bear]

[tidal stone]

what do you think is easier making a portrait look like a sprite or making a sprite look like a portrait im trying to decide what to do first when im start designing my npcs

[hard fern]

Portrait first, then sprite. You get the most detail out of a portrait, then crunch it to hell in a sprite

[tidal stone]

✍️

[hard fern]

If you start with a sprite first then you're kinda stuck with figuring out all the details later

At least, thats how i feel

[tidal stone]

i think thats a valid viewpoint that makes a lot of sense

[gentle rose]

does debug perfection definitely set every flag that getting perfection normally would? we had some issues when we were testing with @rigid musk where we found out that, for example, completing cc manually (by spawning the items and putting them in) vs using cjb had different effects

still not sure why that impacted what you could sell in qi’s room though ngl

[unique mountain]

Hi, I want to add new portratit to the dialogue. in the image I want to add portrait for jas when she is jumping rope.
If I didn't use i18n when in game it will be english whatever languauge I use. I want to ask is there any method to make dialogue load new portrait without using i18n. or is there any framework I can use to achieve this?

[brittle pasture]

use TextOperations
https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/text-operations.md#append

[tidal stone]

does anyone know how to turn off the grabby hand in tiled i accidentally put it on and now it wont go off

ficex it i just closed and reopened the program

nevermind its doing it on the tilesets now 😭

[vernal crest]

What is the grabby hand? What does it do?

[tidal stone]

it just moves the map around the screen

its a white gloved hand

Oh i think i found it, it looks like the toggle got stuck somehow for it?

its spacebar

[vernal crest]

Oh yeah you hold spacebar so yeah yours must have gotten stuck

[tidal stone]

i think im almost done with doing the outdoor maps next i can do the indoor ones Iill use vanilla as a base this time lol)

how do i remove items from interiors that have tile data so i can just not use them, as im going to rework lewis house for example but idk how to rid myself of the ticket machines tile data

Oh it hink i found it

[vernal crest]

You can just click on the object and press delete on your keyboard

[cyan venture]

guys

how to delete mod idea from github

i cant close issue somehow

[lucid iron]

you probably dont have perms

@gentle rose

[gentle rose]

which mod idea?

(and why delete it?)

[cyan venture]

the Farmhouse costs

im currently working on it again...

i have been learning C# past 2 days

[gentle rose]

Rather than closing it, I’ll mark it as currently in progress by you. Then when you finish you can come back and post the nexus link, and anyone who saw/sees it in the future will be able to see your mod :)

[cyan venture]

oh okay

i think it will take about a week or more

[gentle rose]

that’s fine! there are open issues in the repo from 2017 haha

[cyan venture]

im currently make it working with level 1 farmhouse with mats and money change

but i want to make the GMCM config first

[rigid musk]

After a quick test I don't think it truly does

(I was very curious)

I cannot purchase the gem weapons though so I'm guessing not

[gentle rose]

didn’t it end up working last time we tested though?

[rigid musk]

If you mean by going through and doing the flags (i.e. completing the cc with debugs and stuff) yes that worked but we didn't test perfection

the perfection debug command didn't let me purchase it

[gentle rose]

oh I see what you mean now, you were answering my question not saying we got it wrong lmao

[rigid musk]

I can click on it all I want and it doesn't work- OH yeah !

I just wanted to see if it worked or not cause you posed the question heehoo

im still very proud of those weapon sprites I think they look pretty B)

I've never made weapons before from scratch so it was actually kinda fun to do

[gentle rose]

they do! and they fit vanilla super well

[rigid musk]

🥹 thank you

[lucid iron]

Friendable Mr B)

[rigid musk]

I could change his name to that which is great... infinite cosmic power

watching through the perfection cutscene to see something and I just... why does it LOOK like that oh my god

[tidal stone]

man doing the wall framing with the little here ill take a picture, its hard whatever these tiles are

those little wall frames

[rigid musk]

how cursed is this image on a scale from 0-10

[tidal stone]

is it easy to turn a cp mod into an AT mod variant

someone asked on one of my mods if id make it AT as well

[rigid musk]

AT mods are pretty easy to make imo

[tidal stone]

ah ok :3

[rigid musk]

Furniture mod?

[tidal stone]

sprinkler replacement so technically but like utility furniture

[rigid musk]

yeah that should be relatively easy honestly

[tidal stone]

woohoo AT sprinklers will be in the works between doing maps then ill look into it

i just like that someone liked my mod enough to be like "can you do this for me" and im like "omg ofc ofc"

[rigid musk]

hmm Is there a mod that lets you have different dialogue for divorce stuff? like at events and what not

I'd like to add that as an optional dependency because it seems as though the base dialogue overwrites everything which ... I didn't realize

also yeah I love when people like something I made so much that they're like 'hey can i have it this way?' it makes me feel cool

the fact that people want to and have translated my qi mod makes me feel so cool too

[tidal stone]

real

easier translation is why im going to try and us i81n files for the dialogue for this mod im making now

[rigid musk]

They're actually insanely easy to use!

[tidal stone]

OOh

[rigid musk]

if my 1.6k line i18n json is anything to go by anyways

[candid stratus]

what actually is i18n

[rigid musk]

The tokens themselves are pretty easy too, though if you accidentally mess something up when moving them over it's the worst part, because then the token doesn't work but you'd be able to spot that pretty easily

it stands for internationalization

[tidal stone]

[rigid musk]

there's 18 letters between the i and the n so it's shortened to i18n

[tidal stone]

oh thats actually really cute and clever i wonder who came up with that

[rigid oriole]

They're called numeronyms!

See l10n, k8s, a11y

a11y is my favorite one i think bc it reads as ally

[fossil osprey]

l10n will always be lion for me

[tidal stone]

didnt someone make tilesheets with backward couches

found it

also before i go in too far into the mod before needing to switch stuff
!!!!
how do i make my mod compatible with recolors do i need to make a seperate version that utlizes recolored tilesheets? id like to allow my mod to be usable by those who use erthy or vpr or that other one ?? starblue?? or something

[fossil osprey]

Iirc you do need one "version" for each recolours

[tidal stone]

aah ok

then ill do that at a later date

probably before i add the npcs

another question, how do i make my mod change seasons, is it the same i need to make different 'versions' with the different tile sheets?

[rigid musk]

To make it compatible with recolors the main thing you need to do is load the custom tilesheets if that's what you mean (if you want OTHER people to make the recolor compat) if you want to do it you'd need to make tilesheets for each one and then have them loaded specifically when the person has those mods

yeah it would be like how stardew has seasonal tilesheets

like fall_tilesheetname

(and so on)

Hi Aba!

[tidal stone]

so do i need a content patch code thats like target (map name) action (change map from spring map to summer map)

[rigid musk]

I think with the tilesheets it automatically does things seasonally if you have the four tilesheets with different seasons? I think?

I don't actually know... I've never done it before

[tidal stone]

i think ill make it compat with vanilla colors first and then if i want to before somebody else does it ill make a version that recoloured

[rigid musk]

yeah as long as you load your tilesheets from a separate folder you should be fine for recolor compat for other people to make it

[lucid iron]

You don't gotta do anything

spring_ is the magic needed

[vernal crest]

In the context of Stardew, it's how we make our mods easy to translate. Instead of writing text visible to players (dialogue, item names and descriptions, etc) directly in the data files we load or the patches we use to edit vanilla assets, we use i18n CP tokens that refer to a file in the i18n folder containing the text. Then when people translate the mods, they only have to translate the values in the i18n file instead of trawling through the entire mod. A quick example is that your dialogue entry might be "Mon": "{{i18n: sam.mon}}" and the i18n file entry would be "sam.mon": "Hey farmer, lovely Monday morning!".

[lucid iron]

Game will pick right season for u based on that

If u have a custom tilesheet you made

Load them to spring_ summer_ fall_ winter_

[rigid musk]

Does anyone know of a mod for this?

[candid stratus]

Makes sense, you essentially reference centralised text instead of hardcoding it

[vernal crest]

What do you mean by different dialogue? You mean for different ex-spouses?

[rigid musk]

No like... I want him to say something at the flower dance that isn't just the base divorce dialogue

(and so on)

[vernal crest]

Well, that dialogue is probably in StringsFromCSFiles, so just edit that.

[rigid musk]

Not general dialogue, I don't mind if his general dialogue is that, but specifically at festivals

Oh I already - here let me show

            "Action": "EditData",
            "Target": "Data/Festivals/Spring24",
            "When": { "Relationship:{{ModId}}_TheMrQi": "Divorced"},
            "Entries":{
                "AngelOfStars.Mrqifriendable_TheMrQi": "{{i18n:Aos.QiFlowerDance1Divorced}}",
                "AngelOfStars.Mrqifriendable_TheMrQi_y2": "{{i18n:Aos.QiFlowerDance2Divorced}}",
            }
        },```

So I have this section of code here, which technically should work based on your relationship with him being Divorced right
HOWEVER it doesn't work because it gets overwritten by the BASE dialogue

[vernal crest]

I am lost as to what you desire then.

The base dialogue as in his dialogue specifically or some sort of generic dialogue?

[rigid musk]

The generic dialogue entry for when you divorce an NPC

they say like one thing ever

[vernal crest]

That's what I was suggesting you editt

[lucid iron]

How do u get divorced from friendship

No longer friends with B)...

Anyways the divorce dialogue is one of those stringsfromcs things iirc

[rigid musk]

How do you mean though Aba? I want it to be different for festivals and stuff

not just one thing

[lucid iron]

Edit that and put it behind when festival

[tidal stone]

welp i got halfway there XD

[vernal crest]

Edit it differently for different situations

[rigid musk]

also it's in the generic dialogue as 'divorced'

[vernal crest]

Buncha different patches with different conditions

[rigid musk]

oh good god

[vernal crest]

Or one patch with lots of fancy tokening and queries in the line itself

[rigid musk]

(I think that would kill me Aba, I think I would die)

The variety of patches is possible though...

[vernal crest]

Actually you could just have a dynamic token that changes value depending on what the situation is, then use that one dynamic token to call different i18n keys

[lucid iron]

A little dynamic token never hurt anyone

[rigid musk]

They hurt me deeply and emotionally

[vernal crest]

It'd be really simple.

[lucid iron]

It's ok Lily we provide love and support for token related trauma here

[rigid musk]

I had to have Button walk me through the other tokens for the translation like I was a toddler... I don't think it would be easy for me

I honestly don't know WHY dynamic tokens confuse me so much honestly

[vernal crest]

Though I think you'd need a condition to check for NOT other situations or it'd stay whatever its last one was.

This is simpler thannnnnnnnnnnnn the translations thhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhing

[rigid musk]

Can you do conditions for when it's a festival? I mean probably but

Aba... Aba I have a smooooth brain

[vernal crest]

Help my file transfeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrr issssssssssss hijacking my keyboard

Yup DayEEEEEEveeeeeeentttttttt

Sory

[rigid musk]

It's okay this is really funny actually

I hope the data transfer stops stealing your keyboard autonomy soon

[vale stream]

Is there a chance you could add a right click event to the API? I originally patch InventoryMenu.rightClick so that'd be pretty useful

[rancid musk]

Is there a reason you can't keep patching that? I'm still using the same page implementations, just a different container

[rigid musk]

Hi Misty! Just wanted to say thanks again for translating my mod 🥹

[vale stream]

oh, is that so? i misunderstood- nevermind then

[vale stream]

Hi Lily! Of course, I really liked the mod so I want for others to be able to play it

[vernal crest]

Anyway I will try quick example

"DynamicTokens": [
      {
         "Name": "QiDivorceLine",
         "Value": "Base"
      },
      {
         "Name": "QiDivorceLine",
         "Value": "FlowerDance",
         "When": {
            "DayEvent": "flower dance"
         }
      }
   ],
"Changes": [
      {
         "Action": "EditData",
         "Target": "StringsFromCSFiles or whatever",
         "Entries": {
            "divorced": "{{i18n: Aos.QiDivorcedChat.{{QiDivorceLine}}"
      }
   ]

i18n:
  "Aos.QiDivorcedChat.Base": "I hate you, poopyhead!",
  "Aos.QiDivorcedChat.FlowerDance": "I spit on your fancy shoes!"

Surprisingly unstuttered!

[rigid musk]

PFF 'i spit on your fancy shoes'

[vernal crest]

I am a highly advanced dialogue writer you should all commission me immediately.

[rigid musk]

🫴💵

oh boy with this I'll likely have to change more of the i18n...

Poor translators I am sorry for this

[vernal crest]

As mentioned, I think you will need a base tokeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen entry that has a long list of negated coooooonnnnditions sssssssssssssso he doesn't kekeepp usiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing hiis festival line after one festival until the next, etc.

[tidal stone]

when winter comes around the rest of the sprite for the christmas tree is missing is that on another tilesheet does anyone know?

[lucid iron]

The Christmas tree?

[tidal stone]

yes

the repalcement for the flowers in pots

[vernal crest]

What tilesheet is that from?

[tidal stone]

town

i have all of the seasons but for some reason its an incomplete image when winter comes around

[tribal ore]

Hey @vernal crest ? You told me to ping you if I was still having q/r problems. Can I run something by you real fast?

[vernal crest]

It's because the christmas tree is taller so you need to add the tiles above the flowers to the map. They will be in visible except in winter.

[tidal stone]

Ahh so thats it, thank you sm i was so lost XD

[vernal crest]

Yes though be warned I am having textual stuttering problems intermittently

I hope my file transfer doesn't actually take 23 hours, I probably will lose power before it's finished if it does

[tribal ore]

Alright, I'll try to keep this in one chunk then. This is the problem dialogue:

        "Railroad10": "{{i18n:sebastian.Railroad10}}
           #$q {{ModId}}_bathY/{{ModId}}_bathN OS_bath_old#{{i18n:sebastian.R10.q0}}
            #r {{ModId}}_bathY -10 OS_r_bathY#{{i18n:sebastian.R10.r0}}
            #r {{ModId}}_bathN 0 OS_r_bathN1#{{i18n:sebastian.R10.r1}}
            #r {{ModId}}_bathN 15 OS_r_bathN2#{{i18n:sebastian.R10.r2}}",

        "OS_bath_old": "{{i18n:sebastian.OS_bath_old}}",
        "OS_r_bathY": "{{i18n:sebastian.OS_r_bathY}}",
        "OS_r_bathN1": "{{i18n:sebastian.OS_r_bathN1}}",
        "OS_r_bathN2": "{{i18n:sebastian.OS_r_bathN2}}",

The first part comes up (q0), but none of the responses are listed as options

I should be seeing r0, r1, r2 right under that question. But they just... never appear 😦

[vernal crest]

You are missing the dollar signs before the r in your response lines

[tribal ore]

Oh thank goodness it's something simple

[vernal crest]

Should be #$r

[tribal ore]

Lifesaver. I'm going to fix that right now. Thank you so much!

[candid stratus]

This might be a stupid question, but I want a very uniquely patterned floor and walls that won't repeat any tile once. Is it bad practice to make a tilesheet that's just an entire room and just plop it into the CP like that?

[calm nebula]

Nah

People do that. Spring town is like that

[candid stratus]

Alright sounds good

Saves me a lot of time making recurrent patterns

[tribal ore]

Tiling pixel art is definitely time consuming and fiddlly

[candid stratus]

not to mention I suck too much for it

[tribal ore]

Question for you all: is it generally better to bundle translations under the parent mod or let people create the translated version as a separate mod?

[calm nebula]

Either is fine

[vernal crest]

Please let me know if it works as intended after changing that. It otherwise looks good.

[rigid musk]

^ people can upload their own i18ns on Nexus, which I support them doing for the DP for themselves (its not even that much DP but it's something for their efforts)

[calm nebula]

Downside of bundling: translators don't get dp. You have to push updates for translations

Upside: you have more control and don't get weird translations

[vernal crest]

I offer people the opportunity to do either, but I don't like the independent published ones where they don't check with me first.

[calm nebula]

Tbh I've always gone with the policy of letting the translator decide

[rancid musk]

-# Downside: you have to interact with people who send you random json files in the weirdest possible ways they can manage

[calm nebula]

Send me a PR? Sure

[tribal ore]

I had an offer to translate my anniversaries mod into Korean, and am just deciding how to respond. I don't speak it, so can't verify the quality

[calm nebula]

I'm sorry did you not want a Google doc

frankly the number of weird encoding I get is amusing

[rancid musk]

lol

[candid stratus]

here's the translation handwritten

[calm nebula]

Tbh I've said before that if a translator told me that the translation will be carried by pigeon to the top of a mountain I'll go climb that lol

I like translators

Like them far more than I like users

[tribal ore]

Alright, so people are doing the independent translation thing for the DP. I hadn't thought of that before, but I suppose that is fair. I guess I will give them the choice

[ornate locust]

I've tattooed this translation on a sphinx cat, good luck catching them

[vernal crest]

I am picturing an upside down, blurry phone photo of a translation written in the SMAPI console

[tribal ore]

"Allow me to transmit the essence of my translation through interpretive dance"

[calm nebula]

Look, rendering the json in LaTex is a required part of my flow

[candid stratus]

I spoke the translation in a 17 hour long audio msg, dont mind the vacuum cleaner on the background

[rancid musk]

I've etched the translations onto a temple bell atop a mountain, dare you brave its heights and make a wax relief

[vernal crest]

Kantrip please test your question so I can go to bed 🙏

[tribal ore]

Good news: it's translated. Bad news: I forgot about punctuation

[tribal ore]

Oh! I'm so sorry Aba! I'm not in a position to test it right at this moment, but I will ping you later with the results if you like

I didn't realize you were waiting on me

<< work computer

.>

<.<

[teal bridge]

The idea of having some translations showing as translation mods on the mod page and other translations embedded in the mod itself bugs me. Maybe it shouldn't.

[ornate locust]

I don't miss that job

[tribal ore]

That's a good point, too

[teal bridge]

I also don't know what to do when a translator says he corrected a previous translation, and I don't speak the language and can't evaluate either one of them.

[ornate locust]

(Medical transcription, you do not want to hear the audio of doctors transcribing. I swear some of them do it in convertibles)

[tribal ore]

So which do you prefer then?

[rancid musk]

Sometimes I'll use DeepL or something to see if things sound generally right, but yeah... gotta blindly trust translations in many cases

[vernal crest]

That's okay, you had no reason to know lol I hope it works then! Your call regarding the ping. I will only see it once I am no longer asnooze anyway.

[teal bridge]

I guess you just rely on users to report a bad translation (like that ever happens).

[ornate locust]

I feel like at some point you just have to put it up blindly and trust that native speakers will say "hey this is total crap"

if it happens to be total crap

[tribal ore]

Yeah, not expecting immediate results :P. Have a good sleep!

[candid stratus]

If I make a room of which no furniture must be interacted with, do I just make the furniture part of the map? How does it handle furniture?

[teal bridge]

Even more confusing for users if there is a translation mod, and a translator sends a PR or file that is labeled as a correction of that to be integrated with the mod.

[rancid musk]

I wish Nexus had better separation for mod translations vs original mods.

[teal bridge]

Mind you, none of this is a knock against the translators themselves, it's just a really screwed up system.

[ornate locust]

ME TOO. The tagging system is ass

[candid stratus]

And if I for instance put a key on the ground and it needs to be picked up, does it use 2 map tiles or is a separate entity being drawn over the static map

[ornate locust]

Block the tag and you block random mods that are in multiple languages and it doesn't even block all the translations

[rancid musk]

There's one person who named their translation of Better Crafting on Nexus just "Better Crafting 2.13.0"

lol

[teal bridge]

I've never submitted a translation but I'm guessing something about the Nexus UI encourages that or confuses people into naming it the same as the original mod.

[ornate locust]

Yeah when 1.6 came out and translations were updating, the Recent Activity page was genuinely unusable

because TONS of translation mods are like that

[teal bridge]

It's weird that you can't filter, since Nexus clearly understands the difference between a translation mod and a regular mod.

[ornate locust]

You can, but the mechanism of filtering doesn't... work

it requires tagging.

[teal bridge]

I'm not talking about tags, I'm talking about the actual translation field that makes it show up under the "translations" section of a mod.

The information is there, you just apparently can't use it in your filter.

[ornate locust]

I think the tag and the translation field were made at different times

[calm nebula]

Look at how the find item quests work

[teal bridge]

The tag has nothing to do with anything, it's just a tag, anyone can add it for any reason.

[rancid musk]

Entirely unrelated, I'm checking Better Crafting's page and looking at all the mods that depend on it now (basically all for the custom crafting station implementation). Makes me happy to see them.

[calm nebula]

I don't care for that either but tbh I would rather have a translation than not have a translation

[ornate locust]

Yeah but when they made the filtering thing, it was made to filter tags. Then they made the translation field a thing.

Wouldn't hurt to suggest that on the Nexus's suggestion thingy

[teal bridge]

I also can't justify spamming an update for 90+% of users just to include a new translation, so at least until there is a real change to the mod itself, I think any new submissions should go into the optional files if the author prefers not to make their own translation mod.

[ornate locust]

As a mod author, I feel like that could be annoying. It's a file you cannot troubleshoot. If there's a translation problem, you are not equipped to deal with it. And you have to add a new one every time someone hands one to you

It's annoying for organization to have them somewhere else, but a translation on a page for that translation means the translator's the guy getting any reports of problems

[tidal stone]

midnight were you the one who made the misc tilesheets

[ornate locust]

That's me

[tidal stone]

your a godsend, i legit JUST ran into the need for backward couches

[teal bridge]

The whole system is a mess, really. Having a list of translations attached to the mod, with explicit authors, is a really good idea. The way it's actually implemented, with translations being entirely separate mods, is crap.

[ornate locust]

Yaaay I'm glad it's useful!

[tidal stone]

im gonna do them last because im p sure i have to write a content patch to use it right? and idk what that would be ✨ or would that be a pathing thing?

[teal bridge]

If it were just a simple lightweight list of JSON files, author names (with or without links depending on whether or not they're willing to be notified) and language codes, that the original mod author could add or translators could submit for approval (like user-submitted images) then that would work beautifully.

[rancid musk]

I also wish there was a better, native way for SMAPI to load external translations instead of having people drop a json file inside my mod's folder. I know Shockah made a mod for that before, but it should be a core feature. Like a content pack, but translation pack.

[ornate locust]

You add it as a dependency in your manifest, copy the tilesheet jpg to where you edit the map, add it as a new tilesheet in the map, use it, then delete the jpg when you're done

[vernal crest]

Furniture that's part of the map is just like any other tile, though there might be some tile object properties you could add to some things to give them functionality. The only one I can think of off the top of my head is action kitchen. You can also edit data/chairtiles to make things sittable, though that's based on tilesheet so if you're using vanilla tilesheets and put a bench or chair into your map on the buildings layer it will be sittable. Be wary of flipping furniture tiles for this reason, I had some very weird behaviour when I flipped the saloon booths.

[tidal stone]

ooh ok

[teal bridge]

Probably SMAPI having any different way of loading the translations would require an entirely separate distribution system from Nexus's. Like its mod compatibility database.

[ornate locust]

PNG, sorry. JPG, showing my age

[vernal crest]

I am actually leaving now!

[teal bridge]

(JPG does still exist. Just not for game tilesheets.)

[ornate locust]

Oh yeah, of course, it's just not an adviseable format to use anymore because of artifacting

[rancid musk]

Nah, I just mean like, have a mod that's hypothetically like SomeTranslationMod/ i18n/ fr.json manifest.json and manifest json { "Name": "Some Translation Mod", // ... "TranslationFor": { "UniqueID": "some.other.mod" } }

[teal bridge]

I mean, for photos it is still the de facto standard, people don't enjoy getting 4K png files.

4K, what am I saying, more like 30 MP.

[teal bridge]

I dunno, that just cements in place the system of making translations entire mods, and to me that is the problem.

[proud wyvern]

i hereby grant permission for SMAPI to just include whatever i have in Project Fluent that kinda works like that

[teal bridge]

You want to distribute your own translations with your own mod, you literally can't even do that anymore, need to make them content packs. Lot of overhead.

[ornate locust]

The steps with the PNG copying are basically just so you can see it in Tiled btw. My mod already loads the tilesheet and makes the chairs properly sittable and such.

[rancid musk]

People are already treating translations as entire mods on Nexus, at least this way you could automatically install them like other mods and not "actually drag this file into this other folder"

[teal bridge]

Yes, but it's a bifurcated (or tri-furcated) system and the part of the system that makes them entire mods is the weakest part.

[rancid musk]

We can't really design a translation system around hypothetical Nexus features that don't exist.

[teal bridge]

Taking that weakest link and making it the dominant paradigm is... ick.

[ornate locust]

you're gonna have to take that up with Nexus, yeah

[rancid musk]

And I doubt Pathos wants the smapi server costs to go up to host translation files in a centralized place.

Though I think it'd be hella neat if we just had like one big weblate instance or something

[teal bridge]

No, it's not something to take up with Nexus, it's something to not do in SMAPI because it makes a bad system worse, makes it harder for every mod author who gets a translation submitted to them as a non-mod which is more than half of all submissions.

[tawny ore]

I wouldn't want any feature to specifically be tied to any NexusMods functionality. I know they're considered to be the sole option for SDV modding, but I don't want to grant them that unrivaled power.

[brittle pasture]

I feel like we're having two different conversations in here

[ornate locust]

maybe three

[rancid musk]

I'm not advocating for removing any existing i18n file loading. I'm just saying I would like a way for a "content pack" to load i18n for another mod.

[brittle pasture]

anyway I think loading all of your strings into Strings/ is an option

[rancid musk]

To prevent manual installation steps

I'm pretty sure I have seen someone pipe their i18n through game content before lol

Don't remember which mod it was

[brittle pasture]

yeah it's blueb's LOC

[tribal ore]

What happens when the original mod author add more lines of dialogue to an existing mod? I'm assuming that screws with translation mods

[brittle pasture]

main problem is probably not every part of the game supports tokenized strings

[tawny ore]

missing translations just default back to whatever is in default.json

[teal bridge]

It does. Same thing that happens with any other product with an i18n cycle, they remain untranslated until translations get updated.

[shadow pagoda]

bumping this

[teal bridge]

Which itself is fine, except that there is no cycle to speak of in the Nexus model.

[tawny ore]

A decent enough solution probably doesn't have to be much more complicated than doing what PF does as a mod, but baked into SMAPI

[teal bridge]

No way for translators to get notified of any updates to the content, no way for other folks to take over if the translators just did a one-shot deal, etc... as I said, broken.

[tawny ore]

PF is able to load i18n, it doesn't require fluent translations

Also, I think a well-supported translation deserves to be rewarded for their efforts. So I have no problems with them being content packs.

Like translating is a job that people do for money. I don't think it's fair to undervalue their work.

[teal bridge]

How does making it a content pack reward them better than they already are by releasing the JSON?

[ornate locust]

On the other hand, people pump out ChatGPT translations for the DP too

[tawny ore]

I'm just saying, I don't see the problem with their work being hosted as a mod.

[calm nebula]

Do people pumping out chatgpt translations make....anything worth writing home about

I just can't get mad at people doing a lot of work for, like, literally $5

[ornate locust]

It's an AI translation, define "a lot of work"

[teal bridge]

That wasn't really my point. Nexus was lazy, instead of coming up with an actual translation system they shoehorned it into the mod distribution system, and that causes all kinds of negative externalities. Like I said, the idea of crediting and rewarding translation authors is great, making their work visible is great, the actual implementation of it is garbage.

[tawny ore]

Low effort trash should be treated as such, while faithful translations that take the time and effort to produce quality work should be rewarded

[rancid musk]

(Funnily enough, that "Better Crafting 2.13.0" thing was using ChatGPT lol. Only 442 UDLs)

[ornate locust]

see this is why I said that'd be something you have to take up with Nexus if you want it to change

[tawny ore]

Like my stuff is easy because it's all config options, but if you're translating hundreds of lines of dialogue, that's a shit ton of work

[ornate locust]

Hey, I have a real mod or two that has those numbers. It's not nothing

[teal bridge]

Take it up with Nexus or don't, I just don't think Nexus's crappy system should be backported into an API standard.

[brittle pasture]

once again I feel like ppl are discussing two different problems here
I don't give less of a crap about Nexus, SDV mods could be hosted on Google Drive for all I care
from a purely technical standpoint I like separate content packs for translations to minimize drag and drop file replacements

[teal bridge]

Nexus can use Nexus's system, that doesn't mean SMAPI should have its own system based exclusively on it.

[ornate locust]

I don't think people were saying it should?

[tawny ore]

I think you (@teal bridge) are the only one making translations about Nexus

[rancid musk]

Please don't misunderstand, I'm not criticizing mods for having small numbers of downloads. I only mentioned it since people were talking about DP and UDLs is immediately relevant to DP. The main thing is that it uses chatgpt.

[teal bridge]

No, that's the broader implication here. Content packs are mods. "Translation content pack" is based on the notion of "translations as mods" and that's the problem, that's Nexus's bad decision, not a good standard.

[tawny ore]

If you forget about Nexus for two seconds, I don't care if Translations are Content Packs are mods.

[rancid musk]

I want SMAPI to be able to load content, what that content is called by Nexus shouldn't be relevant to the discussion.

[teal bridge]

If you forget about Nexus then the idea makes no sense. Why would you want that?

[tawny ore]

Because of all the reasons mentioned

[ornate locust]

I feel like this started at "Nexus handles this badly, I wish it didn't" and now something else has kicked in the door and I have no idea what topic 2 exactly is

[tawny ore]

Maybe scroll back up a bit and respond to the suggestions rather than the "Nexus Bad"

[teal bridge]

I already did. More than half of translations are informal or private submissions.

Codifying it into a content pack system is far more often going to be a pain in the ass than a benefit.

And it's adding yet another process to an ecosystem in which there are essentially 3 competing processes.

[tawny ore]

How so? Other than it is?

[rancid musk]

I would like SMAPI to be able to load translations in a way similar to content packs so that:

1. There is a logged record that "this file, external to the original mod, is being used" as opposed to people messing with the files I distribute
2. It being easier for users to install, since they just unpack it to their Mods folder same as anything else
3. There being a version associated with the translations, since they would have a manifest, so there could be proper update checking and the like and outdated versions could be noted in logs as an issue.

[halcyon prawn]

Hi! Can I make some questions about mooding?

[ornate locust]

Informal submissions seem like the real pain in the ass. Being handed a file I can't understand, now any questions about it go to me

[ornate locust]

Go for it

[halcyon prawn]

Thanks!!!

I have a friend who is a fan of Stardew Valley too, so we thought about making a mod for the game, since we both draw and have experience writing, but I couldn't find any help for making new content packs

Like, new characters, places, that kind of things

[calm nebula]

!npc

[brittle pasture]

have you read through the content patcher guide?

[ocean sail]

Creating a Custom NPC

Keep in mind that making NPCs is a complex process that requires learning many different aspects of Stardew modding.
Here are a few links that can help get you started on all that you need to know:

• Tiakall has a great tutorial on making a custom NPC for 1.6.

• NPCs no longer use dispositions, check the wiki page for the new NPC data.

• Aviroen has put together a template that will allow you to easily create a romanceable NPC.

• Feel free to jump into the https://discord.com/channels/137344473976799233/1277457201077813280 thread for more interactive feedback and help!

• Fireredlily has a WIP NPC Builder Please do report any errors you get with it into the NPC thread!

To use this command, type !npc.

[halcyon prawn]

Yeah, but isn't that to replace already existent characters?

[halcyon prawn]

Thank you!

[rancid musk]

Now that the conversation has cooled, let me just say that I appreciate that people care about this game and also translation enough to argue about it so much.

[brittle pasture]

It's just an example
Content Patcher allows you to edit any data the game loads, that includes inserting new characters

[tribal ore]

Good luck, Naiara. The best way to learn is by giving it a try. If you come across issues following the guides or get hung up on something, people here will help you

[brittle pasture]

and yeah the NPC guide is good

[halcyon prawn]

Really?! I understood otherwise!!!

😮

Good I am so dumb

[tidal stone]

where are doors on the tilesheets

[halcyon prawn]

Awwwww thank you thank you than you so much!

[tidal stone]

or is dooor object

[halcyon prawn]

My friend is so much better than me with technology so I will surely need it

Do you have any advice?

[ornate locust]

IIRC doors are kinda translucent? You can see through them a bit. They need a corresponding bit from https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Maps (scroll down to "Map & tile changes")

[tidal stone]

zOH i found the salooon doors and i see what you mean

[ornate locust]

Yeah here's an interior door I did on a map

[tidal stone]

do doors go on the object layer?

[ornate locust]

The bottom part is on Buildings and the top part is on Front

[halcyon prawn]

For people who had made some mods by know. How hard did you find it?

[ornate locust]

And then there's the tiledata there that has Door as an action

[tidal stone]

i almost cried three times but im still going because its kinda fun

[brittle pasture]

SDV modding is very much on the accessible side of things

(ie compared to modding other games)
that's not to say there's not a learning curve

[ornate locust]

And THEN on Map Properties, you do Doors [<int x> <int y> <string sheetID> <int tileID>]

[tidal stone]

its way easier than modding some other stuff i think at least

[ornate locust]

so you need those three parts to hook up a functioning interior door

[tidal stone]

jeez doors are gonna make me cry aint they

[sour sleet]

Modding Stardew is easier than other games but there’s a lot to learn still

[halcyon prawn]

I'm better at artistic things than modding, so I depend a bit of my friend, who is making RPG maker games

So I'm a bit scared, not gonna lie

[halcyon prawn]

Ohhh, understood!!

Thanks for answering to me, really

[ornate locust]

It did feel a bit like I was going "door, this is a door, here is where the door is, door" when I was hooking up that door

[candid stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-kuzco-emperors-new-groove-disney-poison-gif-17585271

[ornate locust]

EXACTLY

[tribal ore]

The difficulty depends largely on how much you are trying to do. You might find it easier to make a little mod first to gain experience before doing your bigger mod

[tidal stone]

dang nabbit ive lost the door

[ornate locust]

the tilesheet experience

[halcyon prawn]

Let's say I'm kind of an ambitious girl

So I might cry a lot

Buuuut I want to try anyways

[tribal ore]

That's fine xD So am I. I started my mod a year ago, took about a 6 month break because I got fed up with how much there was to do, and am now 99% of the way through

And mine is mostly dialogue and events, though I added a little custom art/music/map stuff

[halcyon prawn]

OOOH! Can I ask about how is it going?

[ornate locust]

The door is by the big bed on the left

[tidal stone]

samesies i only started modding a few days ago and now im trying to do an entire expansion

[candid stratus]

speaking of being overly ambitious, I'm planning on making multi-phase boss fights LOL

[halcyon prawn]

That's basically what I'm trying to do too hahahah

[halcyon prawn]

I
Need
To see
That!

[faint ingot]

say more

[halcyon prawn]

Wait!

[candid stratus]

See me cry? Give me 2 days

[halcyon prawn]

That's the guy of the prison mod

Aaaaaaghhh I can't remember his name

[halcyon prawn]

Noooo hahahaha

[faint ingot]

Russell? Yes, that's my mod.

[halcyon prawn]

WHAT?!

Really?

[faint ingot]

Truly

[halcyon prawn]

It was your mod the one who made me want to make my own!!

[tidal stone]

thats how i feel when you guys say stuff

[halcyon prawn]

I can't believe it

[faint ingot]

omg I have a fan, squeeee

[halcyon prawn]

Yeeaaaahh

[faint ingot]

If it helps your enthusiasm I literally started modding in like, November. Law and Order is my first and only mod.

[tidal stone]

it is truly always cool to see so many talented mod authors in one place

[halcyon prawn]

Sorry, Russell was sooooo cute

[halcyon prawn]

Do you plan to make more?

[ornate locust]

SWEATS And you got it out that fast??

[halcyon prawn]

I was thinking the same

[candid stratus]

I'm gonna speedrun

[halcyon prawn]

Can I ask what did you use to make the mod?

[brittle pasture]

!software

[ocean sail]

Here's a list of software for pixel art and JSON text editors we recommend: https://gist.github.com/ishanjalan/c8efb21afa21f74a052293176db107f7

For making SMAPI (C#) mods, see the Requirements section here for which IDE to install https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/Get_Started#Get_started.

To use this command, type !software.

[faint ingot]

So far I view L&O as like where I put everything I want to change about Stardew. I have more planned for it, but so far I haven't wanted to change anything that wouldn't fit in my expansion.

[tidal stone]

with an i18n is it possible t have multiple possible lines of dialogue for a specific day or event so that it feels more freshw ehn you talk to a character

[ornate locust]

(by the way, I SWEAR I started the sheriff i am working on before your mod came out and was very surprised by it)

[faint ingot]

sorry

[brittle pasture]

you can use i18n randomization

[tidal stone]

:0

[ornate locust]

Oh it's fine, I'm just self-conscious about putting out a sheriff mod after someone else's LOL

[tribal ore]

Sorry just saw this. I would say that it's going well, especially after taking the break. I'm spending a lot more time than I expected on debugging schedules and fixing little bugs. Trying to polish things up before I'm satisified enough to publish it. But I'm ... 98% of the way done now?

[ornate locust]

Seriously though, that's so fast, even accounting for losing my gallbladder in the middle. You can really book it

[faint ingot]

no worries best of luck with your interpretation

[candid stratus]

I think my problem is gonna be that I'm making such an unrelatable mod that I'm probably gonna do a lot of things that haven't been done before so I'm gonna be on my own hahaha

[faint ingot]

I work quickly when I feel the inspiration. sometimes I get stuck in a rut though

[halcyon prawn]

That's a lot! Good job! I'm sure it will be amazing

[tribal ore]

Fingers crossed for next weekend launch!

[halcyon prawn]

I have to say, same

[tidal stone]

i did a count on how many npcs i have planned for my expansion and its like 27

[ornate locust]

RIP

[tidal stone]

its gonna take me awhile 😭

[halcyon prawn]

I love Stardew valley but at the same time it has so much potential

And I want to make these new characters and places

[ornate locust]

ngl I'm making one and it's low-key suffering. Mainly the events are intimidating

[candid stratus]

I only have to make 1 character luckily but I'm gonna have to make her fight monsters alongside the player so that'll be interesting

[tribal ore]

Events started out as the hardest part for me, but are now one of my favorite things to do? Maybe I like suffering

[halcyon prawn]

Because like, the world could expand infinitely

[ornate locust]

Oh you may want to look into Trinket Tinker

I know some people are doing sorta adventuring friend stuff with Trinket Tinker

[halcyon prawn]

It's hard to make them? Or to write them?

[tidal stone]

also while amny of them will be marriable not all of them will be for the expansion stoiry feel like i have planned a young newlywed couple that just got their first home and are nervous and excited about starting a life together and i want to make some cute cutscenes on the farmer occasionally spotting them on a date or something

[halcyon prawn]

HOLLY MOLLY!

[faint ingot]

Adding new things, especially new NPCs, is pretty time consuming but can also be pretty satisfying. Good luck!!

[halcyon prawn]

Thank you so much!!

[tribal ore]

It is hard to make them work the first time. There are a lot of moving parts and if you miss a slash or a number where it is supposed to go, the event breaks

[ornate locust]

that was to you, btw. Some people are using Trinket Tinker to make a friend adventure with them, it could be something to think about

[candid stratus]

Ohh okay thanks! I wasn't sure :p

[halcyon prawn]

Oooohh... I get it. This sounds so hard to do, now I'm a bit scared hahah

[tribal ore]

I recommend doing them incrementally. Copy an existing event and cut out everything but the first little bit. Then modify and test that part by itself

After that, add more stuff in. Bit by bit

[ornate locust]

Sword and Sorcery and Lurking in the Dark are messing with that idea

[halcyon prawn]

Hey that's a pretty good Idea

Thank you so much!

[tribal ore]

No worries. Feel free to ask questions here. If I'm on, I'll try to help

If I'm not, someone more qualified will help you, I'm sure xD

[ornate locust]

I did a whole Trello while procrastinating on starting events

[halcyon prawn]

🥹

My savior

Oh, do you use some kind of specific format for the art?

The sprites and that stuff

[tribal ore]

.png

[ornate locust]

Me writing: many event ideas!
Me getting to logistics: AAAAAAA

[candid stratus]

trello.. now that's a word I haven't heard in a long time

[tidal stone]

mail framework is used in order to have an nopc send mail to the player right

[halcyon prawn]

Oh, nono, I meant the size of the image

[ornate locust]

It's nice for organizing all the stuff I need to do

[tribal ore]

I feel this xD Every time I want to add a new event to my mod now, I pump the brakes because I know how much more testing that would require

[halcyon prawn]

Same hahahahaha

[tribal ore]

Well, vanilla tiles are 16x16 pixels

[ornate locust]

The image itself does not need to be a particular size, but you want it divisible by 16

[halcyon prawn]

Okay! Thank you so much

[tribal ore]

There is also #making-mods-art for art questions

[tidal stone]

i cannot find how to make doors on maps clickable for a warp into the house

[halcyon prawn]

There are vanilla tiles or something posted? Or any canvas with 16x16 does the trick?

[halcyon prawn]

I'll go right now!

[tidal stone]

interior door stuff i fidn exterior door stuff i cant, anyone know where to look for that i cant find it on the maps wiki so it might be called something and im overklooking it

[rigid musk]

do you mean like, clicking on a tile to go into a door?

[ornate locust]

It's a warp

[rigid musk]

there's Action - > Warp and then LockeDoorWarp

[tidal stone]

how to make warp a click

[rigid musk]

Action Warp if you don't want it to be friendship based

on the buildings layer

[ornate locust]

Action Warp, yeah.

[tidal stone]

ok ty ty

[rigid musk]

liek this

[native hare]

Are vanilla tiles 16x16? Or

[rigid musk]

yes

[native hare]

K thanks

[ornate locust]

If you want a closing time, you'll want a LockedDoorWarp instead, you can find examples of those on the town map itself

[rigid musk]

🫳

(also done with an Action tile on the Buildings layer)

[ornate locust]

And those don't have a map property for "Doors"

that's just for inside doors

[brittle pasture]

!unpack it is always a good idea to reference what the game does

[ocean sail]

Follow this guide to unpack the game's content files in order to see and explore how the game data is structured.
It's helpful when making your own mods, or just to learn about how the game works!

To use this command, type !unpack.

[brittle pasture]

when in doubt, structure and size your images exactly like the game's assets

[halcyon prawn]

Is this data in any place?

[brittle pasture]

see the governor message above

[tidal stone]

do i need a content patcher code to go with that?

[rigid musk]

for the warps?

you can technically do them via CP but doing it on tiled you dont need a content patcher section

(you can do either or)

[tidal stone]

ooh ok

if tilesheet mod updates i assume i need to update my mods tilesheet usage as well

(midnight just updated their tilesheet)

[uncut viper]

this is more of a #modded-stardew question (unless its giving you errors in the console, in which case its #1272025932932055121)

[uncut rune]

Oh, you right. I misread the Nexus page

[ornate locust]

You generally don't, if the modder doesn't rearrange it. If you want to be sure, you can always open it in Tiled and see if it pops something up.

[tribal ore]

@Button!! I've been waitint to ask you a question about BETAS.

[tidal stone]

ok i just wanted to make sure

[uncut viper]

you're always welcome to ping me! i lurk a lot. but feel free to ask

[ornate locust]

and I just added stuff, so if it needs updating, it'll do it fine

[tribal ore]

BETAS/RelationshipChanged/WeddingSeason <-- is this parsed from the save data? Or do you have another way of making this happen?

Also, is this stored per NPC?

[faint ingot]

There's instructions for unpacking the game files here: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Editing_XNB_files

[tribal ore]

I have an anniversaries mod out right now. I use conversation topics as timers to keep track of time. It would be much nicer to use a token

[uncut viper]

its parsed at runtime, its stored in the Friendship data

its also not a token, so it isnt usable in CP for conditions and such

inside the games internal Friendship data it stores for each of your relationships there are properties that hold your wedding info which is where i grab that from, which doesnt exist if you dont have a wedding or never did with them, and its only ever grabbed when needed for that trigger (so, for RelationshipChanged, you can only use it when they have just gotten engaged, married, or divorced)

[tribal ore]

I can use it to set flags, no problem. Mostly I need to know whether or not this stuff would work for an existing relationship.

[tidal stone]

ok im evidently doing these warps wrong

[uncut viper]

the RelationshipChanged trigger would likely not be helpful to you as there is no way to store data, only check it

[tidal stone]

can someone walk me through it a little more on doing warpps with tiled if they can

[uncut viper]

however, BETAS does have GSQs relating to weddings and anniversaries

[tribal ore]

Oh?

[halcyon prawn]

Than you so muchhhh

I really apreciate it

[uncut viper]

https://stardew.button.gay/docs/betas/queries#PLAYER_WEDDING_TODAY
and right below it, one for ANNIVERSARY_TODAY

i dont know exactly what it is you are doing or would attempt to do in your mod, so these may not actually be super helpful to you, but they exist

[tribal ore]

Does Anniversary_Today give the NPC as a return?

[uncut viper]

thats not what a GSQ Does

a GSQ is only ever a true or false question

they never return anything else

[tribal ore]

Ok fair, dumb question xD

[faint ingot]

YW, also, I think I said earlier I started modding in November? And now I actually don't know why I said that/where that came from. I checked and it was more like last Summer. Didn't mean to set unrealistic expectations. Things take time.