making-mods-general

[naive wyvern]

so you instead use a phrase that kind of has the same vibe but isnt a literal translation

[rare orbit]

lowkey i felt very dumb learning it the first time ;-;

[true coyote]

Oh yes great, just what I needed

[gentle rose]

(Castellan = Spanish from Spain, Catalan = another language spoken in the Catalonia region of Spain, e.g. Barcelona)

[rare orbit]

might be cause im a perfectionist

[round dock]

There's also one thing to know the basics and there's another to have a degree of understanding when it comes to employing nuance. The desire for accessibility is very admirable but to bridge a gap between two languages, there's a bulk of work that needs to be put in.

[fierce vault]

Do you think making an i18n is really worth it?

[rare orbit]

true

[rigid oriole]

you can use the i18nifier

https://nom0ri.github.io/sdv-i18nifier-app/

[rare orbit]

i swear tho? japanese sounds amazing

especially the music and poetry

[uncut viper]

(and in many cases, a bulk of money exchanged )

[rare orbit]

maybe im an anime nerd tho

[lucid iron]

i18n gives you useful features that's not translation related too

[tribal ore]

The i18nifier app helps tremendously, but it's better to start the process early than wait and do it at the very end

Speaking from experience xD

[rare orbit]

and the arabic language? it looks beyond pretty

[lucid iron]

Like u can do args to reuse a i18n key

[fierce vault]

I got that one, I have yet to use it though. Hopefully it will be simple enough. Honestly, I want to have the dialogue in it’s own Json and just i18n everything else.

[rare orbit]

am i being weird?

[lucid iron]

You can use subdirs for i18n now

[rare orbit]

about how languages sound and look?

[round dock]

(in many many cases, you're very right!)

[lucid iron]

default/blah.json

[tribal ore]

One of the coolest things you can do with CP is use i18n in conjunction with CP random to make variable dialogue from a set of lines

[rare orbit]

i dunno it makes me apperciate the world around me

[round dock]

(Also Button my friend finally convinced me to get on Freiren, I think I'm gonna watch soon after law midterms )

[fierce vault]

Oh, then maybe I should just stick with the i18n

[rigid oriole]

YES DO IT

ok i'm done being off topic but do it

[gentle rose]

you aren’t being weird, but treating languages in this way tends to come with some less than ideal ways of viewing other cultures 😅 it’s good to appreciate languages and their differences but putting them on a pedestal for aesthetic features usually isn’t a good thing

[reef kiln]

Me too love anime. But Japan is not like anime at all. Most anime nerds end up disappointed with Japan due to expectations. Thats from a couple different personal connection that have actually moved to Japan after college.

[tribal ore]

I don't have an example to post from this computer, but if you go look on Nexus for "Sweeter than Pomegranates" and check the Marriage Dialogue for Elliott, you'll see it in action

[rare orbit]

personally id love to see the world

[naive wyvern]

((gasp selph is here, hi selph was it u that made the bigger than 16x32 machine sprites mod i cant find it 😭))

[rare orbit]

i get that

[lucid iron]

Furniture Machines pau

See laundry mod

[naive wyvern]

thank u chu !

[rare orbit]

my experiences outside of the states are limited and the stuff i know is cause i'd read about it

[naive wyvern]

yesss this is the mod I wanted thank u

[rare orbit]

but i wanna learn as much as i can

[fierce vault]

Thanks, you think that would be a good learning experience? I have looked through the i18n doing more complicated stuff in other mods. May I ask what does this one does differently to where a beginner could really learn from it more effectively?

[reef kiln]

Travel is great, just temper expectations. Enjoy places for what they are. dont go with preconceived ideas.

[rare orbit]

mhm! whenever i can afford to i will! i have some lil goals in mind when i travel tho ex. if i go to japan i'd love to see the temples in person and learn more about the culture up close and personal. i kinda fell in love with other places' history and it makes me wanna learn everything i can

[gentle rose]

haha fancy seeing this recommendation with Claire in chat

[tribal ore]

This mod is just dialogue, nothing else, so it's pretty slim. I found it rather educational to look at, and I'm still learning 🙂

[fierce vault]

Ok, thanks! I’ll get it. I’m definitely still a beginner and it’s nice to meet other people still learning a lot as well.

[tribal ore]

I'm using the same method now for variable divorce text, since the NPCs usually only have one "divorced" line that they say forever

Now I have 8 that Sebastian can cycle through

[fierce vault]

Cool. Variable text sounds worth making the file for

[tribal ore]

Good luck, and don't hestitate to come back and ask questions. The people here are nice ^_^

[fierce vault]

Sure thing! Thanks.

[teal bridge]

I think "machine-aided" translations are potentially viable if you are trying to translate a mod from a language you don't know into your own native language; the assumption being that you aren't actually submitting the machine translation straight up, you are using it as an aid to understand how the mod works, and using your own play-through with the mod to figure out what those lines actually mean and how a native speaker would say it.

That's a lot of "ifs", but it's somewhat more valuable than a machine translation from a language that the "translator" does speak to a language they don't speak.

[round dock]

[rare orbit]

mhm! unless i get the greenlight? any mods i edit? they're for personal use!

[teal bridge]

Translations are generally not editing a mod. Translations are separate "mods" in the Nexus model.

[lucid iron]

When i translate i do use mtl to find ??? words i only know in english

[hard fern]

honestly even if im just plugging stuff into the machine for my own sake, i stare at lines for a good 10 minutes sometimes because it just doesn't look right 😭 getting the right wording and "voice" for a piece of dialogue you can't even read is hard

[round dock]

Aside from the bulk of dialogue, Kantrip is right that it is pretty slim, only that it deals with dialogue but basics wise, it's okay material (?)

[lucid iron]

Or when it's ambiguous, like "pylon"

[rare orbit]

speaking of which? are there ways to translate when monolingual?? outside of machines?

[naive wyvern]

learning the language...

[hard fern]

call luigi a friend?

[rare orbit]

i can try but it's not easy

[rare orbit]

i do that for spanish mods especially!

[tribal ore]

(I'm really looking forward to actually playing with this mod once I'm done writing my Seb mod)

[naive wyvern]

learning a language is not an overnight endeavour, so its okay if you take your time before you try translating

[rare orbit]

ya know? a translator help corner for this server would be nice!

true

and some languages can be easier to learn than others

coming from me who has messed up spanish ;w;

[round dock]

I'm also excited to play with my mod, seeing as I haven't even seen the dialogue I made

[rigid oriole]

i think if you want translations, either find someone who actually has a solid grasp of the nuances of the language or simply do not have the translations (or spend years studying that is also an option lol)

if you don't know the person providing a translation, get someone to verify it somehow (or at least run it thru a machine to make sure it makes some sense to SOMEBODY)

[round dock]

Can't wait to see what you have for us in store, Older Seb is something I'd actually be interested in ngl

[tribal ore]

I'm going to be releasing my mod without translation, but with a clear note on the mod that tells people who are interested in translating it how to contact me and work with me on it

[rough lintel]

oh me too actually

i love translator notes

i think discussing with the translator is like the only way to get an authentic translation too

[round dock]

Good call, haha I'm always willing to have people work on translating my stuff (granted that when they work on mods like Good Luck Haley, I set it in stone that LGBTQ content is not allowed to be eradicated or erased)

[rough lintel]

bc theyll have grasps on the language or certain things an npc says in a way that a machine wont

[tribal ore]

Thank you! 🙂 I'm so so so so so close. I actually have a beta up that people can look at. Otherwise, just wait another week or two

[rigid oriole]

Can I request an asset via DataLoader.SOME_ASSET(Game1.content) or Game1.content.Load if a save is not initialized

[teal bridge]

I would never use machine translation even as an aid for something as big as an NPC/dialogue mod, I was thinking more in terms of using it to decipher what the various elements of a UI or HUD might mean.

[rigid oriole]

like is the content pipeline only active if a save is loaded

[teal bridge]

You know, think of buying a bookshelf and you only have the assembly instructions in Chinese, English is missing... you could probably use a machine translation to get the basic idea and then use your own judgment to turn that into something that actually makes sense.

[rare orbit]

i tend to do that but i get the feeling that machine translations are a no go

right?

[rough lintel]

oh this i think is totally fine

but an npc? jokes and references would get lost way too easy

[brittle pasture]

I think it's fine
do try it though

[slender root]

Translations and Localisations are usually done to give the impression that something is developed specifically for them. It should be done in earnest, not because "I want to make it because it pads out my mod listing"
If you're monolingual, making a localisation mod is just pandering - don't do it. It makes you look silly. 祝你一天过得愉快

[rare orbit]

oh that's not my intention at all

i did reccommend for the server to have a translation help corner to make sure that doesn't happen

[rigid oriole]

it is fine 💪 the data is there

thank u

[rough lintel]

usually (in this community) youll have translators come to you, since its mostly a case of “oh, i want this thing in my language” rather than an author requesting it

this is a case by case basis of course

its more common for the former in larger scale mods

latter more common for ui or hud related things

[hard fern]

not quite in the vein of translations but ive been staring at my wip dialogue wondering if i really want to go through writing this character's lines in "Shakespeare english" or not...

[rough lintel]

oh boy

as fun as that would be, youd probably have whiners wanting a toggle

[round dock]

On my end, I usually just let translators come to me and directly ask, especially since I set my conditions. For content related mods, it's usually the former as well.

[rare orbit]

i wonder can the cooking showdown ever be translated to english seamlessly??

[hard fern]

😅 i already have plans to write two sets

[rough lintel]

then youre good to go fam

[rough lintel]

just mtl it if you want to use it that badly

[rare orbit]

i like the idea of using it and i wanna make sure that it's ok

[rough lintel]

why would it not be ok lol

its fine to do

[rare orbit]

oh it is?

i wanna make sure to not cause any issues ya know?

[rough lintel]

yeah? unless the mod says “dont translate my shit” then why would it… not be fine

you seem like the type who worries a lot lol i promise u its fine

translations are like one of those things thats usually Always Fine

the posting etiquette for translations however comes from whether the author wants to host it (via i18n) or doesnt care (you can host the english version for example)

or requires their stuff as a dependency or yadda yadda

[brittle pasture]

as mentioned already MTL only for personal use is fine

your questions imply that you're doing this with the intention of publishing, in which case we don't recommend it

[rough lintel]

^

[rare orbit]

cool cool

[gentle rose]

like I said above, for personal use, any mtl is fine

[brittle pasture]

(if that's not your intention then sorry!)

[rare orbit]

personal use only! unless i get a green light to upload

[lucid iron]

Why does this mod ship it's own towninteriors.png

[rough lintel]

noobery probably

[lucid iron]

Is smapi correctly loading en.json these days

That is another potential issue with tl'ing this mod

[rough lintel]

ooh good point

me just naming the en one default and renaming every other language 😔

[lucid iron]

Well, you want your tl mod post to be drop in to original

[rough lintel]

mmhm

[naive wyvern]

if you MTL'ed it for personal use thats fine, but if you do get the greenlight to post it why would you publish mtl'ed translations, unless you can somehow procure genuine human translations after getting the greenlight?
thats what we've been trying to say 😔

[rare orbit]

ohhh ok

i apologize

i mean no ill will at all

[naive wyvern]

we know that
we're just saying, published MTL mods arent received well, so IF you really wanted to use the mod, you can go ahead and translate it for personal use
but if you publish that after getting the green light, you'll be receiving bug reports from bilingual and native speakers

and because you dont speak the language, how would you be able to support that?

[rough lintel]

me crying at the flood of pt-br gpt-translated mods on my nexus mod page once a week

[rare orbit]

ahhh i didn't realize!

[naive wyvern]

its pain and suffering out there 😔

[rare orbit]

thank you for informing me!

[rough lintel]

u block the author, u are fine for another week. And Then Another Flood Happens

nexus why

[naive wyvern]

thats pain

oh also Lani while ur here

I took a look at Peace's hoodie mod !

its not quite what I needed, but i did learn you can make dynamic things which is really cool

the search to unify sleeves to shirt when the shirt is a wearable item continues

[gentle rose]

oh my god there are so many 😭

[hard fern]

man map recolors are hardddd

painstakingly cutting out all the grass

[blissful panther]

One of them even translated MEEP!

[rough lintel]

ahh i figured, its like the one hoodie mod i could think of but i knew it probably didnt cover your use case

[rough lintel]

see what makes me laugh is when theres translations for like. a tilesheet mod. and its like that doesnt even have strings or text on the objects brother what

[blissful panther]

They literally translated this i18n.

[naive wyvern]

its also my first time trying to do anything with FS, i dont normally use it but I wanted to make "merch" for my expansion

[tawny ore]

I wish there was a better way for me to not see translations on Nexus ever, but if I update my settings to exclude them, that also hides mods that have the translation tags which are not mod translations themselves.

[hard fern]

is it translating the configs?

[rough lintel]

yknow i never clicked to check, i just laughed and moved on

LOL

[latent mauve]

The number of times I've gotten bug reports for 'this dialogue is broken' and it's because of a translated version of the mod

[lucid iron]

zh.json

{
    "Yes": "否"
}

[hard fern]

did the translator break it

[rough lintel]

STOP THATS SO FUNNY

[hard fern]

yes

[rough lintel]

“Yes”: “아니요“ thank you korea

“Yes”: “Oui”

[latent mauve]

gotta be, it's always because of them messing up my escaped quotes in strings xD

[tawny ore]

I propose we get away from communicating in any one language, and just use emojis

[rough lintel]

you might as well make all the translations for meep yourself holy crap

[blissful panther]

Yup!

{
    "Yes": "Não!"
}

That was the translation, obviously. I've since changed MEEP's unnecessary i18n to:

{
    "translation-message": "If this is translated, I, the translator, confirm I did so using automated methods and did not check what I was translating."
}

[gentle rose]

💯

[tawny ore]

{
  "Yes": "👍"
}

[languid aurora]

[rough lintel]

wait why is “Yes”: “No” anyways in there

[lucid iron]

No matt its 👎

[rough lintel]

thats confusing

[rare orbit]

so basically hieroglyphs?

[rough lintel]

you yes me to no me….

[blissful panther]

I have a template csproj project, and it's just... in there.

I just didn't remove it.

[rough lintel]

OH HAHAHAHA

so its meaningless 😭

[rare orbit]

are emoji's modern hieroglyphs

[lucid iron]

I put $schema in there instead

[brittle pasture]

here's my contribution, I will open a PR later /s

{
  "Yes": "Không"
}

[lucid iron]

Just to have smth

[rough lintel]

genuinely yes, they are!

[rare orbit]

huh interesting

[rough lintel]

theres studies on that i think

[rare orbit]

wait until historians ponder the meaning of emojis

i feel for em

[languid aurora]

{
  "Key": "NotKey"
}

[rough lintel]

wont have to ponder much, they are rather self explanatory

[lucid iron]

You mean you 😔 and 🥲 for them

[gentle rose]

can I contribute a hebrew version despite a hebrew translation of the game not existing

{
    "Yes": "לא"
}

[rough lintel]

historians WILL be pondering why i use 🏌️ for no golf related reason, however

[rare orbit]

true

[rough lintel]

sometimes i am just 🏌️

[lucid iron]

Now translate the rest of the game

[tawny ore]

Maybe for this language:

"Target": "Data/AdditionalLanguages",
"Entries": {
  "Opposite": {
    "ID": "Opposite",
    "LanguageCode": "zz",
    "ButtonTexture": "{{InternalAssetKey: assets/button.png}}",
    "UseLatinFont": true,
    "ClockTimeFormat": "[AM_PM][MINUTES]:[HOURS_12]",
    "ClockDateFormat": "[DAY_OF_MONTH] [DAY_OF_WEEK]"
  }
}

[rough lintel]

oh god oh no oh jeez

[rare orbit]

im just sayin historians gonna be pulling their hair out just like norse mythos historians!

[rough lintel]

MINUTES:HOURS NAHHH

[rare orbit]

just saying it's painful we don't have the majority of norse mythos.

[gentle rose]

legally you can’t make me do that

[rough lintel]

id forget and go “why is it 31:6?????? why is it 31:6????”

[rare orbit]

yall had a writing system bestie. we could know more about loki.

[lucid iron]

Can you elaborate on this besides the obvious (I didn't employ you)

[rough lintel]

hehe… ackshually… 🏌️

[gentle rose]

(just an old joke from a very tired brain lmao)

[rare orbit]

excuse my ramblings about norse mythology i am just sad about not fully knowing if loki was even a god or not.

[gentle rose]

god the font discord uses for hebrew inside code blocks is ugly though. What is that

[hard fern]

I've never seen it before

[gentle rose]

it’s like the equivalent of an extra thin version of courier new

[hard fern]

[gentle rose]

ugly font, 0/10, almost as bad as harry styles’ hebrew tattoo

[hard fern]

Harry... Styles?

[brittle pasture]

harry styles' what now

[hard fern]

Is he the moustache guy

[gentle rose]

he has a hebrew tattoo of someone’s name

[rough lintel]

no that’s harvey

[gentle rose]

Gemma

idk who gemma is but that’s what he got tattooed on himself

[hard fern]

Harvey styles

[naive wyvern]

Harry Styles, but does Harry Slay

[rough lintel]

mod related: is there an ice mod where you can slippy slidey on patches of ice

i ask because i slippy slidey’d yesterday on the ground 🏌️

[gentle rose]

for reference, this is like the default office font for hebrew I’m pretty sure it’s arial

[hard fern]

LOL

[brittle pasture]

oh goodness I remember him from that one tweet that said
"he's challenging gender norms and he's losing. the gender norms are beating his ass"

[hard fern]

Omg it's like if you just typed something into word and got it tattood as-is

[gentle rose]

I have been making fun of his version of challenging gender norms for years now omg. Gender non-conformance for Men™️

[hard fern]

Honestly i see all those "people who don't speak chinese get chinese tattoos" all the time but i kinda want to get a tattoo that says "chicken soup" or something on purpose. For the fun of it

[rancid musk]

... but why do you have an "unnecessary i18n" file? If it's not necessary delete it lol

[brittle pasture]

unfortunately that i18n is now load bearing and if removed will make the game CTD

[gentle rose]

get a tattoo that says “if you can read this, please tell people this says something deep and meaningful”

[rancid musk]

Ah yes json {"coconut.jpg": "alan don't translate this"}

[lucid iron]

Get 𰻝𰻝面 tattoo

[naive wyvern]

biang biang noodles my beloved

[hard fern]

Oh i haven't downloaded chinese on my phone

Im getting Box box

[rancid musk]

Also I answered my own question. DH needed an unnecessary i18n file because he was unconditionally including the ModTranslationClassBuilder in his common project, and that throws a compilation error if there's no i18n/default.json for a project.

[hard fern]

Oh no the biang biang noodles crashed my phone

[rancid musk]

That's why I use something like xml <EnableTranslation>true</EnableTranslation> and then xml <ItemGroup Condition="$(EnableTranslation) == 'True'"> <PackageReference Include="Pathoschild.Stardew.ModTranslationClassBuilder" Version="2.0.1" /> </ItemGroup>

[tawny ore]

Yup, it's the cost of trying to be lazy about using ModTranslationClassBuilder

[rancid musk]

Though honestly I should switch that to be true by default since almost all my mods use it

[tawny ore]

Not that I'm calling anyone lazy, but I also try to put as much as I can in my Common.targets file

[blissful panther]

Honestly? It lives in my template project, and I just never got around to removing it.

[calm nebula]

I also do the same thing but I be lazy

[blissful panther]

Same!

Now though, it seems to serve the purpose of helping detect automated translation bots or some nonsense.

[calm nebula]

Plenty of mod wip have a default.json if {"no":"translation"}

Fun fact

Someone translated atracore

[tawny ore]

I haven't gotten around to making a proper template for every new mod project I create, but I've been meaning to do that because the first 5-10 minutes are always me just copying all the boilerplate stuff

[calm nebula]

I wasn't aware atracore had translationable text

[calm nebula]

Lol, I just made miniatrashared

[tawny ore]

Do you literally copy+paste the same project?

If I did that, I'd still have to search+replace the project name, namespaces, etc.

[blissful panther]

Personally, I:

1. Copy my TemplateProject directory
2. Rename the folder and the csproj
3. Update the name, etc. in the csproj
4. Rename the root namespace
5. Add to solution

[tawny ore]

Yeah, I'd like all of that to be just a "create new project following this template"

[blissful panther]

I've looked into dotnet templates, but they're weird.

[lucid mulch]

I just create a class library project the old fashioned way and once it's made copy paste one of my other mods csproj into it and then update the details

[tawny ore]

Yeah I create a class library, and then setup all of my standard customizations

Which includes the project references, standard files (GlobalSuppressions, editorconfig, README, etc.), copy+paste csproj

Some standard folders that I organize my projects into

It's so repetitive, that I know it can be fully automated

[lucid mulch]

My last few mods only have the csproj and modentry.cs

[tawny ore]

Maybe not using donet templates or anything, but I'm sure I could script out all of the things I would normally do by hand

[lucid mulch]

These days I only leave modentry.cs once it's actually big enough to matter

[tawny ore]

I usually start with everything in ModEntry when I'm in the "prototype" phase of development

But I'll organize things into my preferred system before it's "production"

Mainly because I have a bunch of common helpers that I reuse across mods

[lucid iron]

I use a dotnet new template yea

[dusk mulch]

This is how an action warp should be done, right?

[lucid iron]

I don't have a core shared helper tho

[brittle pasture]

do you have a directory of common classes that gets Included in every project

[lucid iron]

No

I rewrite those every time like a neanderthal

https://github.com/Mushymato/StardewMods/blob/main/csharp-templates/sdvmod/MODNAME/ModEntry.cs

Primary purpose is to setup the static monitor for logging

[blissful panther]

I think you might not need the last two coordinates? Wiki says: Action Warp <int x> <int y> <str area>

[tawny ore]

I do have a shared library which gets reused

[dusk mulch]

Huh, alright. I will try it out.

[blissful panther]

But I'm not a content person, so listen to literally anyone else over me here.

[tawny ore]

Common to every one of my mods

[dusk mulch]

Thing is the action isnt even appearing (the action hand)

Wait...

I put it on the wrong layer.

[lucid iron]

Does this make the dll more big (not that it matters)

[gentle rose]

more shared libraries

[tawny ore]

Maybe, but I imagine it's negligible. I don't know if dotnet is smart enough to not include things that I don't reference.

[gentle rose]

I wish rider supported them properly

[blissful panther]

I'm fairly sure all of my shared project nonsense gets added to the final build, yeah.

Do they not work right for you in Rider?

[tawny ore]

I think Rider had problems setting them up, but once they're there it works. At least from when I last tried doing that.

[blissful panther]

There are... quirks like a warning in the shared project being present for every single normal project, but I just kinda ignore those.

[dusk mulch]

uh. I just clipped through a wall in a map now that same wall wont let me back through

[gentle rose]

if by problem you mean “there’s literally no way to” then yes

rider does not natively support shared projects other than kind of sort of respecting pre existing ones

[lucid iron]

Can't u just edit the csproj to add them

[blissful panther]

Huh, wow, yeah. Rider doesn't seem to have the ability to create one in the UI...

[gentle rose]

I tried, didn’t work for some reason 😭

[lucid iron]

Guess it's time for you to switch to vscode

[gentle rose]

yeah 😭

unfortunately. but rider does have some other annoyances too

[blissful panther]

My mind is slightly blown right now...

Even the dotnet command can't create one?

[gentle rose]

I’m not sure how to do it via the dotnet command tbh I don’t use c# outside of stardew haha so I don’t have much experience

[blissful panther]

I mean like it physically doesn't seem the have the capability.

https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/issues/4228

[calm nebula]

Have you seen miniatrashared

[blissful panther]

Maybe I should just switch to a core mod and save so much hassle...

[calm nebula]

MiniAtraShared isn't a core!

It's a shared project

[blissful panther]

Oh, yeah, that's just a separate thought.

[lucid iron]

I'll be disappointed

[calm nebula]

But I have an abstract class I inheritance from

[lucid iron]

I think i saw some of it

Or maybe it's just atrashared in general

[gentle rose]

I have seen both atrashared and miniatrashared, and also atrabase, and they’re the reason I know rider is stupid about shared projects

[calm nebula]

Sowwy

[lucid iron]

The primary reason why I don't have shared project and probably wont make one is bc i am doing single repo though

To have shared thing like that clone properly I'd need to do submodules (scary)

It is also just, not that much stuff to be shared yet

[dusk mulch]

Does anybody know why it may be spawning me out of bounds? I have all the warps set up correctly, debug warp works fine but when I try to enter normally it chucks me into the void

[gentle rose]

the trick is to write brand new terrible implementations of the same code each time rather than writing one good one and reusing it

[blissful panther]

Scratching "core mod" off of the list of possibilities...

[dusk mulch]

And it is always that 1 tile that it spawns me on

[calm nebula]

making a second core mod

What about a third core mod

[gentle rose]

because that tile is 6,19, which is what you said it should be

I think

[lucid iron]

You can start calling them frameworks at that point

[gentle rose]

it certainly looks like 19 on the x coord to me

[dusk mulch]

Nope

[gentle rose]

wdym nope? it says DefaultWarpLocation 6 19

[dusk mulch]

I just showed you, I have my mouse over the tile 6, 19

[gentle rose]

oh I see now, interesting

I got my x and y coordinates mixed up again

[dusk mulch]

All good

This is the other side btw

[gentle rose]

what coord is that other one? could it be 18 19?

[blissful panther]

18 19?

I think that's the target coordinate, yeah.

[gentle rose]

it does look like this is 18 19

[gentle rose]

no, what coord are you spawning on

[dusk mulch]

oh, it isnt even in the map so i would need the debug mod to check hold on

[blissful panther]

Like I said earlier, I don't think the last two numbers are needed. It's Warp <target x> <target y> <map name>, I think?

[gentle rose]

so your warp is taking you to 18,19

[dusk mulch]

I will try that

[blissful panther]

So replace 18 19 with 6 19.

[dusk mulch]

That worked

Thank you!

[harsh snow]

Hi! I'm new to the modding scene but I'd very much like to learn how to mod things. I've looked over the documentation and it doesn't seem to be beginner friendly. I've tried reverse engineering some mods from Nexus but I can't get them to work. Would anyone be willing to teach me how to mod/guide me in how I'd take my first steps?

[rough lintel]

!startmodding

[ocean sail]

Making mods can be broadly divided into two categories:

• Content packs are formatted text files, and don't need any programming knowledge. They can add/edit NPCs, maps, new items, shops, and more. To get started, see the list of framework mods, the wiki tutorial for Content Patcher, and there might be relevant guides on the tutorial wiki.
• C# mods use programming code to change fundamental game mechanics. See getting started with C# modding.

Usually it’s easier to start with making content packs, since you don't need to learn programming.

To use this command, type !startmodding.

[harsh snow]

I've read over all the documents from the wiki I could find and I'm still a bit lost with all the specifics

[hallow prism]

what looks user friendly depends a lot of what you look at, Content Patcher documentation for ex is super detailled

it also highly depends of the kind of mod you want to make

can you give some examples?

(my experience with modding on different games is that SDV is by far the most friendly i saw, but of course ymmv)

[harsh snow]

right now I just wanted to add some custom fish into the game and I've been struggling on how exactly I should structure things

I've also never modded before so this is mostly new to me

[hallow prism]

ok so fishes are a bit complicated. They involve several bits. The first step would be to make an object (that is your fish) and then use one of the mod like CJB item spawner to see if it's working properly

[harsh snow]

I'm reverse engineering some other nexus fish mods as well as a forum post I found but I just can't spawn the item into the game

[hallow prism]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/93

what do you have so far?

!json to share files

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[hallow prism]

!log to share a log if needed

[ocean sail]

Important note: Your computer username may appear in the log. If your username is your full name, please be aware of this before uploading it.

Please share your SMAPI log file. To do so:

1. Open this page: smapi.io/log.
2. Follow the instructions at the top of the page to upload the log file. (Don't copy & paste from the console window!)
3. After uploading, it will show a green box with a URL to share. Post that URL here.

Please do it even if you don't see any errors. This has useful info like what mods and versions you have, what the mods are doing, etc. If the issue didn’t occur in your last session, please load the game to the point where the issue occurs, then upload the log.

To use this command, type !log.

[lucid iron]

Tia made a fish guide iirc

[harsh snow]

that's another problem lol whenever I search "Stardew Valley modding guide" or the like I just get how to install mods instead of how to make them mostly

[lucid iron]

https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Adding_a_New_Fish

[harsh snow]

ty I'll read over this

[rough lintel]

question for those who are machine-inclined: if i wanted to change the seedmaker so that it attributed quality to seeds generated based on the quality of the crop, would i have to c# that or just edit the machine rules?

example, i wanted to be able to create tiered seeds. -- Putting in a Gold⭐️Turnip produced from a regular seed will give Silver⭐️Turnip seeds, at most (dependent on your farming skill, but that's for later math). Putting in a Gold⭐️Turnip produced from a Silver⭐️seed will give Gold⭐️Turnip seeds, at most (skill dependent). Putting in a Gold⭐️Turnip produced from a Gold⭐️seed will always give Gold⭐️Turnip seeds.

[lucid iron]

The niche nature of sdv modding means it's hard to look things up

But that's why you ask things here

[harsh snow]

I didn't even know there was a sdv modding wiki

could not find it at all through searches

[rough lintel]

basically the rule is regular seed crops will produce silver star seeds at max, silver produce gold at max, and gold produces iridum at max (provided you are inserting iridium crops into the seedmaker)

[hallow prism]

you would need C# to have somehow the crop inherit something from the seed

[rough lintel]

figured, yeah. ok, good start i suppose

[lucid iron]

stick QualityModifier on the seed maker rules

[rough lintel]

no framework mods allow for this behavior already?

[hallow prism]

otherwise the machine can't tell which crop produced which golden turnip, unless you mean they are different crops entirely

(like a litteral "silver turnip of silver quality")

[rough lintel]

nah its the same object

[lucid iron]

But then to change what happens with planted seeds, you need c#

[rough lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[hallow prism]

i have no knowledge of such framework

i mean, quality modifier would work for a part

[lucid iron]

I think it's not that hard c#?

[rough lintel]

i thought extra machine config would maybe have something but id ont see anything

[hallow prism]

like "if my turnip is gold i get silver package", but then you would need C# to the silver package to do something

[lucid iron]

Need to check if the crop thing has moddata

[rough lintel]

nod

[hallow prism]

and you would need C# to differenciate "this gold turnip" vs "this other gold turnip" (and then there's the question of stack)

[lucid iron]

The idea is fun though, I'll respond with more details in like 2hr

[rough lintel]

i basically want to recreate the crop "level" system from harvest moon but using sdv's quality tiers instead

it would be easier to just eliminate quality entirely and go "level 1 -> level 10" but nah

[hot gale]

I got permission from a mod author to update/change a tile in their map mod, I have ONLY my change added in;

{
  "Format": "2.5.0",
  "Changes": [
    {
      "Action": "EditMap",
      "Target":       "Maps/BusStop",
      "AddTile": ["27 2"],
      "FromFile": "assets/Porta.tmx",
      "ToArea": {"X": 27,"Y": 2,"Height": 1,"Width": 1}
    }
    ]
}

How do I make sure it loads AFTER the original mod to ensure it replaces the tile?

[hallow prism]

i feel people having to remember which crop is the correct gold crop to process may be tedious so you may need some other way to convey the info

[rough lintel]

different level turnips probably wouldn't stack (if we're adhering to hm logic, a level 1 turnip wont stack on a level 2 turnip). but at the same time, rune factory 4 stacked different levels and just listed what was in the stack

[hallow prism]

dependency or priority on the edit

[rough lintel]

i18n tokens babey

[lucid iron]

AddTile doesn't exist

[hallow prism]

yeah but by default same item same quality stack

[rough lintel]

yeah

[hallow prism]

nothing insolvable, there's fresh product doing something similar

[rough lintel]

but silver seed silver turnip is not the same as regular seed silver turnip

[hallow prism]

and the qi cuisine fresh label too

[hot gale]

Im just editing whats already there, it seems to work as is, it does add the tile

[rough lintel]

nodnod

[calm nebula]

This is doable in c#

[rough lintel]

oh youre right! qi does do the fresh thing

[lucid iron]

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/action-editmap.md#edit-map-tiles

[calm nebula]

I think pretty easily

[rough lintel]

my tail is wagging. i am excited

this is good news!

[hot gale]

Thanks!

[lucid iron]

It works because you already did the overlay fromfile edit

[dusk mulch]

Uh, why are there 2 entries for the same thing, 1 of them being optional?

[hot gale]

Again, Im just editing the content.json that was already in the mod, I just trimmed out everything but my change, I didnt even edit the filename

Thanks for your insight :D

[lucid iron]

But you don't need AddTile

What u can also do is to write the whole tile in content patcher without need for tmx

[hot gale]

That sounds better, I just dont know how

I want to just change one singular tile to a teleport crystal

[lucid iron]

https://github.com/Mushymato/MiscMapActionsProperties/blob/main/[CP] Vulkan Farm Cave/data/construct.json#L10

[rough lintel]

love how everyone says "oh this would be easy" and im just sitting here like where tf do i even start lowkey

[lucid iron]

The main thing is, I don't think you can add more tilesheets this way?

Only use a tile on existing

Up to you what do

[hallow prism]

if it helps i'm more "it would need C# hence it's hell"

so you may get some balance

[rough lintel]

i mean i know what type of thing to look for to reference, but as for what to even write, lol

[lucid iron]

If it helps ez C# is "probably don't need transpiler or any elaborate models"

[calm nebula]

You might need a transpiler

[lucid iron]

I was thinking u just intercept debris and change Quality

[blissful panther]

Hey Atra, has anyone offered to take over the fertiliser mod? That being revived would be so neat.

(And no, this is not me volunteering!)

[hot gale]

So how do I code in dependency or priority?

[jolly torrent]

okay gang back again with tilesheet questions. how do i make a custom tilesheet change with seasons

[hallow prism]

the content patcher documentation will have more accurate info than what i can tell right now from memory

[naive wyvern]

if you name your tilesheet a season, underscore, and the name the game handles it for you automatically

[hallow prism]

but those two keywords should help your search

[hot gale]

Cool, thanks

[jolly torrent]

thanks mate! easy as then

[naive wyvern]

so like
spring_mapname, summer_manpame etc etc

[calm nebula]

Wren has!

I'm happy about it

[harsh snow]

I have a quick question for the "Target" segment in the Content json

the target refers to mod ID but not necessarily the file path right?

[rough lintel]

the target refers to what you are patching

[harsh snow]

so it will always be Mods/{{ModID}}/{filename}

[rough lintel]

if you want to be consistent and follow formula, yes, it will have that target

[harsh snow]

but not the filepath leading to the filename file

[hard fern]

If you're loading something to a target it's a "path" , if you're patching it, you want to patch what the original mod loaded it to

[rough lintel]

its the format in the thing yes

[uncut viper]

it will not always follow that

and there is no reason it hass to. but its just a common convention

[harsh snow]

ok thanks I was confused whether or not it was the file path or a custom convention

[hard fern]

It definitely makes things... What's the word.. unique? It your modid is in it

[lucid iron]

Tbh I drop the Mods/ part now

[tawny ore]

The main requirement for your path to be friendly to other mods is that it's unique

[calm nebula]

For u I will put it twice

Mods/mods

[tawny ore]

No other mod has any business using the path where the root is my mod's unique id

[harsh snow]

so is the only necessary part the ID then what you are patching?

sorry I'm just trying to understand things here

[rough lintel]

yall r confusing fletch just let them follow the tutorial lol

just do what the tutorial does mate, dont think too hard

these EXPERIENCED folks smh

[harsh snow]

sorry I just want to learn as much as I can

[rough lintel]

dont overwhelm yourself tho

get it working first and experiment more later

[harsh snow]

👍

[tawny ore]

The thing is you have to follow the convention of whatever mod you're targeting and it isn't guaranteed to be the exact same for every mod. So the answer is relevant to the question you asked, yes, but if you want to learn how to help yourself it's important to understand why this answer is correct.

[lucid iron]

Brb making mod with unique id Content

[rough lintel]

fletch just wants to add their fish to the game

they arent patching anything else but their own stuff

is this even relevant information to what i'm trying to do or am i just gathering useless shit/dont know where to look

like didnt u mention something about debris

oh i probably need to look at crop.cs huh

[gentle rose]

idk this sounds like you volunteering

[lucid iron]

You need to find somewhere to intercept the harvested item

[rough lintel]

ah so in the virtual bool harvest

LMAO

[lucid iron]

Either patch harvest or intercept the debris result from harvest

[calm nebula]

Harvest actually directly adds it to your inventory

Lollll

[rough lintel]

man

[calm nebula]

There is a way around this but it is a faff with a pretend junimo

[rough lintel]

which way will cause less bug reports

cropQuality is set in Crop.cs so i think i should just patch it there no?

at line 578 with a ... mathhelper

it checks all the qualities before setting it though

[tawny ore]

Wait, it doesn't sound like you need to do anything with crop quality, no? Machines should inherently support assigning quality to objects using just MachineData rules.

The C# part is when you plant a seed that has quality, there is no logic on how that is handled.

[rough lintel]

but the tiered seeds

gold tier seeds have a different chance for qualities

so wouldnt i need to patch it

[tawny ore]

Yeah, so you want planting a gold seed to affect the chance the resulting crop is gold, right?

[rough lintel]

yeah!

[tawny ore]

Honestly, I think an easy/elegant implementation might be to make the seed affect the fertilizer

[rough lintel]

blinks

[lucid iron]

I tried to remember wtf i did and looks like i pretend to be scythe

[tawny ore]

Like you plant into HoeDirt, and HoeDirt can have modded fertilizer that affects the quality of the output

[rough lintel]

oh!

[lucid iron]

Not generally applicable sadly

[rough lintel]

ohhhh... ohh i see...

but then lies the problem of putting those special fertilized results into the seedmaker

to create higher tiers

[tawny ore]

Now someone has to come along and tell me that fertilizer is hardcoded to hell

[lucid iron]

Wouldn't this prevent you from having regular fertilizer

It is pretty hardcoded effect wise too

[tawny ore]

What I'm thinking is HoeDirt has modData, so you can have everything on that

[lucid iron]

Yeah

[tawny ore]

Like the modData can help remember what seed was planted

[lucid iron]

And maybe find where fert quality is applying

I hope 1.7 turn crops into big item query model

[rough lintel]

what about the seedmaker bit

[lucid iron]

Item query beloved

[lucid iron]

That's all supported already by vanilla

[rough lintel]

where if you plant a silver seed, and then put the resulting gold star crop into the seedmaker, you can get... Probably gold seeds?

but also sometimes silver seeds

oh wait really???

you can set probabilities like that?

[lucid iron]

Yeah just need to modify the rule

[rough lintel]

[tawny ore]

This is what I'm thinking you could patch:
public virtual int GetFertilizerQualityBoostLevel()

[lucid iron]

Yep multiple quality modifiers are possible

[rough lintel]

YOOOOOOO

[tawny ore]

Basically it checks if the quality should be boosted based on fertilizer, but you can override that

You can be like, boost the quality also if I have moddata for a golden seed

[rough lintel]

!

[tawny ore]

Based on what that function returns, you can:

Get the quality boost level from fertilizers applied to this dirt, which influences the chance of producing a higher-quality crop.

[lucid iron]

I think using quality has an issue though, in terms of gameplay balance

It caps too low

[rough lintel]

what caps too low

[tawny ore]

Perhaps, but this is the imo the easiest way to accomplish what they're trying to do

[lucid iron]

Yeah

[rough lintel]

see the nerf i wanted to implement about this is that the chances to advance the tier with the seedmaker depend on the farming level

[tawny ore]

So a gold seed just acts like the crop is planted in quality fertilizer pretty much

[lucid iron]

You can perhaps nerf the regular fertilizers

To encourage using this system

[rough lintel]

well

[lucid iron]

I would also move seed maker earlier

[rough lintel]

yeah i was gonna dw

[tawny ore]

Or if you're really concerned about balance, you can just reduce the value of higher quality crops, then it isn't as important how high quality it is

[rough lintel]

seedmaker would be available as soon as you harvest a crop that isnt regular quality

courtesy of pierre old boy

[lucid iron]

Wow cant believe Pierre would give me free things

Pierre redemption mod i understand

[rough lintel]

no youd pay a exorbitant fee

LMAOOOOOO

(not rly exorbitant)

but for early game, its high

[tawny ore]

Make Pierre into Tom Nook, he gives you the seed maker but you're in debt to him

[lusty elm]

how high is it?

[rough lintel]

i. dont know yet

i need the thing to work before i implement the easy bits

[lusty elm]

fair enough, also my brain immediately goes, people are going to want to configure the price

but that happens whenever there is any "price" involved in a mod

[rough lintel]

nodnod

to summarize the function: basically you have to use higher tier seeds to increase your chances of growing a higher quality crop

instead of... fertilizer i suppose

but that fucks with other things so maybe wrong wording

use higher tier seeds to guarantee higher quality consistently

[lusty elm]

So Essentielly Gold Melon -> Seed maker has a 40% chance of giving a high quality melon seed which has a better chance of higher quality, kind of?

[tawny ore]

I mean it could be as simple as Silver Seeds behave like Normal Fertilizer, Gold Seeds behave like Quality Fertilizer, and Iridium Seeds behave like Deluxe Fertilizer.

[brittle pasture]

for my aquaponics mod that I'm working on spiritually I tried to look into how existing mods harvest crops without needing a farmer or junimos, and every solution I found was cursed in one way or another

solutions include: fake farmer in Game1.player, intercepting the location's drop debris, just duplicating Crop.harvest wholesale, etc.

[tawny ore]

If you really want to be OP, I suppose it can be better than that, but at least that's a good starting point

[brittle pasture]

fake JunimoHarvester is probably the "best" solution I know of, and even then it's still mildly cursed

[rough lintel]

putting a gold melon grown from a regular seed into the seed maker has an x% chance of giving a silver tier seed (at best). so you'd have to get a gold melon from a silver seed to have a chance at getting a gold tier seed

if that makes sense

harvest moon ds is this obtuse about crop leveling LMAO

[calm nebula]

I was thinking of creating a captive junimo

Tbh

[lucid iron]

If u duplicate harvest arent u incompatible with item extensions

[brittle pasture]

yepp

[rough lintel]

if u get an iridium melon from a regular seed and put it in the seed maker, it will guaranteed produce a silver tier seed

[tawny ore]

From some earlier tests, hijacking the debris event works as long as your player is in the location

[lusty elm]

Also my brain goes into, if i had to implement something like that, how would I? and my brain goes, introduce new duplicate crops of base game, with a % of giving you that new upper tier's crops seeds when you put in a gold of the previous level, but that would involve duping a lot of crops.

[lucid iron]

I see, so you are stuffing invisible aquatic junimos in the ponds

Like fruit shaped planton

[lusty elm]

but it almost sounds like you're doing that, but probably in a way smarter way that i would id assume.

[rough lintel]

oh no it wouldnt be crop duplicates, just add more context tags probably

and ... something about stacking

[brittle pasture]

that will most likely what I'll go with, lil invisible helper

[tawny ore]

chu and rogukin both have to deal with auto-harvesting stuff for their mods

[lusty elm]

walking around with an inventory of 12 types of melon

[rough lintel]

LMAOOOO

dont mind me im just the melon man

[lucid iron]

Sea grape shaped junimos

[rough lintel]

would it be more feasible to just... eradicate quality for crops and replace it with an item level????

[lucid iron]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caulerpa_lentillifera?wprov=sfla1

[tawny ore]

@brittle pasture Maybe worth checking out Collector since that mod has auto harvest code

[rough lintel]

that sounds... more awful

then stacks would have to keep track of each item level in the stack

[lucid iron]

The intercept debris thing is limited in that the farmer has to exist in the location

[brittle pasture]

I did, it copies Crop.harvest

[lusty elm]

How much will you give me for this Pierre? "Hmmm, 12 Gold Quality Low Melons, X...?" What about these? "Ugh, 57 NORMAL quality Top Tier Melons? X...."

[lucid iron]

Rokugin couldn't use it for that reason

[tawny ore]

Then there's the Automate way of doing things, which is probably the same

[rough lintel]

pierre: oh damn this is a good crop. have 5 g

[lusty elm]

immediately resells for 12, grown from his own garden

[brittle pasture]

Automate doesn't have crop code. Automate Garden Pot (an addon) does, and it fakes Game1.player

[tawny ore]

Oh that's right. I don't play with Automate, but when I did I had Delxue Grabber for crops.

[lusty elm]

I should stop procrastinating and start placing debris on this map.

[brittle pasture]

Deluxe Grabber Redux does the same thing as Collector (duplicate Crop.harvest)

(you can tell I went slightly insane looking into this)

(anyway think I'll go with the captive junimo route, will let you know how it goes)

(which could be weeks from now)

[tawny ore]

That sounds daunting with all of the extra things the JunimoHarvester does in it's update function

That said, a JunimoHarvester would automatically be compatible with CustomBush since I patch them to manipulate what they grab from custom bushes

[brittle pasture]

I'll just prefix skip all of TryToAddItemToHut, that's totally fine right

[tawny ore]

Easy, done

[calm nebula]

Is that not virtual

I could have fucking sworn

[brittle pasture]

ah yeah it is

[tawny ore]

I wonder if that'd solve the issue with hijacking the debris in that it should work when you're not in the location

[brittle pasture]

looks like I can subclass it then

thanks

[calm nebula]

(The long story short is that in the before times before I suddenly retired from moddinf deluxe autograbbwr was a thorn in my side)

Due to it copying game code

Making it very not compatible with....anything

But specifically more fertilizers

And after taking a look into the code I was all like I'll do my own version but compatibility

And then well

Life happened

I'm enjoying retirement

[tawny ore]

We all know now this is the reason why

Darn you Visual Studio!

[rough lintel]

ok, looking at the machine rules right now

what the hell is this

[tawny ore]

It's a bit of a cluster

[rough lintel]

so i know id be adding to customdata

what the Hell dawg. theres gotta be an example with like every single field ever

[brittle pasture]

I joined mid convo, what do you want to do with machines

[rough lintel]

to do the tiered seeds thing

[tawny ore]

Since crops are already produced from seeds in the SeedMaker based on existing rules, I think just changing the quality modifiers might be enough

[rough lintel]

can you apply quality to seeds though?

[tawny ore]

You can technically apply quality to any object in the game

[brittle pasture]

you can apply quality to every item in game

[rough lintel]

wait it finally clicked what you meant by making it act like fertilizer

pre-fertilized... seeds... thats the tier increase....

wow... my brain expanded...

[lucid iron]

Sometimes the quality becomes hat

[rough lintel]

i understand now...

[lucid iron]

But that's ok

[rough lintel]

okay okay. but how do you assign the quality modifiers

[brittle pasture]

(tbh machine rules are pretty easy once you know how TargetField works and get past all the nested fields that 99% of machine rules don't need to care about)

[lucid iron]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/23386

[tawny ore]

I think this on the bottom is the only thing you'd have to patch

[rough lintel]

oh joyous day, an example

so its not copyquality, but

qualitymodifiers

👁️

oooh and then the modification

oooooooh!

i see... very slowly

[tawny ore]

And this should be the relevant docs:
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Common_data_field_types#Quantity_modifiers

[rough lintel]

ignore the ID?

[tawny ore]

Actually, I'm trying to remember here. Do the modifiers get the input item as a context?

[rough lintel]

oh wait i see the example here

[tawny ore]

You want to set quality to 1, 2, or 4 (silver, gold or iridium) based on the input item's quality.

[rough lintel]

mmhm

can i set it based on a chance?

[tawny ore]

So the rule can be set it to 4 if the input is also 4 and random chance of 0.1

[rough lintel]

ah

i tink this is it

[tawny ore]

Ah perfect!

Yeah that's exactly how it'd look like

[rough lintel]

gotta look at gsqs now hehe

[tawny ore]

Only instead of adding to quantity you'd want to set the quality

[rough lintel]

so modification would be set

[tawny ore]

Set or Add would behave the same since in both cases the seeds are starting at 0

[reef kiln]

Is there a way to search messages for a ping? My tablet says I was pinged in this channel but I can't find the ping. Or did someone do a channel wide ping?

[tawny ore]

It depends on if you were mentioned directly or via a group

[rough lintel]

itd be this thing frog

[rough lintel]

if i put regular seeds in, i want it to stay regular, so would i just... 0 0 0 ? lol

[tawny ore]

Yeah, and that's where the GSQ comes in so your rule only applies if Input item has a certain quality

[rough lintel]

ooh ok!

[tawny ore]

You can have one rule per quality level and a different chance for each one

Or even a rule per input quality level and output

This is probably one of those cases where whatever rule matches first is the one that's applied (or none if no matches occur)

[brittle pasture]

you can check your notifs
or search for mentions:yourusername

[rough lintel]

so currently, ITEM_QUALITY Input 1 1, RANDOM 0.15 means..... if the input matches silver, then.... ?

[reef kiln]

I found it. It was hours ago. Thanks 🙂

[rough lintel]

not sure what the RANDOM bit does, outputs silver?

[brittle pasture]

means 15% chance

[rough lintel]

oh 15% chance to output silver REGARDLESS of input?

[tawny ore]

Yes, it needs to match both of those

[brittle pasture]

it's an AND, so 15% chance AND input is silver

[rough lintel]

OH!

okay i see!

so if the input is iridium, and random is 1, it's going to be guaranteed iridium

[brittle pasture]

you can just remove RANDOM 1 then

[rough lintel]

oo ok

what if i wanted it to be either gold or iridium if it's iridium?

[tawny ore]

ITEM_QUALITY <target> [min] [max] where target is Input as in the input item
RANDOM <chance> [@addDailyLuck] where chance is the % and you can optionally have luck affect it

You can combine as many or few GSQs together as you'd like

You can make it unconditional by having that part be blank and then the rule will just apply by default always

[rough lintel]

ive never explored these item gsqs so theyre very new to me

i am usually in the relationship gsqs lol

[tawny ore]

There's a ton you can do with it. Farmer skill can affect it, you can check other things about the input item, it can be based on the season or day of month.

The possibilities are endless

[rough lintel]

god this syntax is gonna beat my ass but at least i know what i want now

thank you friends

[tawny ore]

It's a lot like dialogue and things like that where GSQs are separated by commas, and whatever parameters it has are separated by spaces.

And you just have to refer to the wiki to know what parameters it's looking for

[hot gale]

If I were to make a mod that allows the player to obtain 'high quality' seeds, would they grow into 'high quality' crops?

[rough lintel]

but thats my idea 😔

but yes

[tawny ore]

They wouldn't grow into high quality crops unless you made it do that

[rough lintel]

^

[tawny ore]

The vanilla game doesn't have any special handling of quality seeds, but that's what Lani is building.

[tribal ore]

The vanilla game does this with fruit trees

[reef kiln]

I want to use the skill field in crops that effects how many you get based on farming skill level. Can't remember it's name of the top of my head. But if you use it you end up with hundreds of crops per harvest cycle. I think it would be fun to make a crop that plays off that and you get hundreds of crops worth next to nothing. Just not sure what crop it should be.

[tawny ore]

Oh do fruit tree seeds have quality, I didn't realize that

[lucid iron]

u can back read the channel we were just discussing how 2 make it happen

fruit trees that get chopped in 1.6 get a quality if they lived longer than 1 yr

to match the fruit quality increase

new custom bush feature plz thx

[tawny ore]

Ah, that's right. To make it a bit easier to relocate trees without losing all the time you put into it.

[dusk mulch]

god this has to be the biggest, hardest mod i have done

[calm nebula]

Zucchini

[lucid iron]

joja™️ gmo salmonberries

[dusk mulch]

Welp, that is... 1/80 sprites done...

[rough lintel]

alright, so for regular crops to get regular seeds
ITEM_QUALITY Input 0 0 and for a silver crop to get silver OR regular seeds.... ITEM_QUALITY Input 0 1, (RANDOM 0.15 + PLAYER_BASE_FARMING_LEVEL) ???(pretend that's a formula)

yall know how crop quality is determined by farming level? i wanted to... add that in here too

[lucid iron]

you cant maff like that

[hard fern]

For some reason i thought you said "180 salmonberries"

[rough lintel]

im assuming. its. something li-

oh 😔

[tawny ore]

You don't need a rule for regular seed quality

That's the default

[rough lintel]

oh okay

[tawny ore]

You only need a rule to promote them to a higher quality

[rough lintel]

how tf do i formula silver to potentially be silver or regular depending on farmer shlevel

ok let me try again

[tawny ore]

Also I don't think you can just add the player farming level to the condition

[rough lintel]

ITEM_QUALITY Input 1 1 is cor...rect now*

[rough lintel]

yeah ik 😔

[tawny ore]

ITEM_QUALITY Input 1 1 is needed to match silver

[rough lintel]

oh okay

[reef kiln]

Are you trying to make crop quality effect how many seeds you get? I know I am late to the conversation so feel free to ignore me.

[tawny ore]

Silver=1, and so ITEM QUALITY Input 1 1 means match item between silver and silver quality.

The two 1s are the range of quality you want it to match.

[rough lintel]

and then to give silver is just the 2 * chance for gold formuler

but in gsq form and without the fertilizer level bit

0.2 * (farming level / 10) + 0.2 * ((farming level + 2) / 12) + 0.01

[tawny ore]

The rule should basically guarantee silver, gold, or whatever as long as the game state query "passes" the condition

[rough lintel]

nod

[tawny ore]

You're not really doing any math in the quality modifier, just using conditions to affect the chance of it passing the test

[rough lintel]

but that's the math to determine the chance

its the RANDOM (the math)

[tawny ore]

it either matches the condition or not, and if it does the seed will be silver. I think having this level of formula in the GSQ isn't possible.

[rough lintel]

hrm okey

[brittle pasture]

well you can maybe use CP tokens, which supports arithmetic

that or roll your own GSQ in C#

[tawny ore]

Yeah you can use CP Tokens in the Amount

[rough lintel]

i just wanted the chance in the seedmaker to scale based on the uh farming level

ooh!

[tawny ore]

So the thing about GSQs is that the result is never anything other than YES or NO pretty much, but with CP you can do much more advanced things.

[rough lintel]

oh so i do the funny math in the amount section

ah, i see

[calm nebula]

As a general rule when I approach a new project I do the hardest part first

Then I get bored and don't finish the easy part

[iron ridge]

oh no... I have done something very broken and very infinite loopy

[tawny ore]

Yeah, GSQs is just whether or not the rule should apply at all, once it knows the rule should apply, CP can put the right number in there with math and all

[calm nebula]

Some math

Basic math

No one let me have a logarithm

[iron ridge]

oh it's just going beyond the size of the file

https://pillow-might.loves-you.xyz/WgaC7uUseM

[lucid iron]

i cant read this

[brave fable]

might need a microscope and a research team

[rough lintel]

ok i think i fried my brain on this lowkey

[brave fable]

per the description:

... unless the player has two or more hearts of friendship with any of the named NPC(s).
the first NPC name is required since all doors must be owned by at least one NPC, and any following names are optional

[dusk mulch]

ohhhh

[iron ridge]

4 million lines of the same output

[rough lintel]

is {{SkillLevel:Farming}} a usable token?

[brave fable]

looks like that's correct:
https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/tokens.md#SkillLevel

[rough lintel]

pog

thank u, just wasnt sure

[tawny ore]

It definitely exists, but what I'm not familiar with is if that can be used alongside the operators to calculate a value. I mean it sounds like it should, but not something I've tried myself.

[harsh snow]

could someone help me troubleshoot?

i added an edible fish item but its sprite won't load and it won't let me put it in fishtanks

[rough lintel]

!json

[lucid iron]

!json

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[rough lintel]

post it here-

[lucid iron]

[rough lintel]

same braincell ...

[tawny ore]

quick draw Lani

[lucid iron]

there's no brain in here, only a single moldy cheeto

[harsh snow]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/ad41f32300d6494781886fb3d8eadcf7

very useful website

sprite won't load, can't go in a fishtank, and it won't prompt the fishing minigame

and i'm too new to understand why

[rough lintel]

entry for fish data looks wrong i think

[vernal crest]

Your data/fish and data/aquariumfish entry keys should be {{ModID}}.Goldfish not the texture name.

[rough lintel]

im not familiar with fish tho

also, you added it to the mountain

[hot gale]

@unique sigil Thanks for your help with my map mod, got a letter back from the mod author with a green light so I finalized my mod and published it, thanks again!

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/31801/?tab=description

[rough lintel]

and you dont need to do {{ModId}}.Mountain

since its vanilla

[harsh snow]

i can just do Mountain alone?

[harsh snow]

this'll probably be why tysm

[rough lintel]

yes, but i know like zero about fishing data so i could be talking out my ass

it just looks wrong

[vernal crest]

Your id can be whatever you want because it's just an identifier for the list of fish.

So making it match your itemid is probably a good idea unless for some reason it's helpful for you to call it mountain.

I made a fish mod literally yesterday so this is fresh in my mind lol

Also are your PNG files definitely named AquariumFish.png and Goldfish.png?

[harsh snow]

yes that I definitely made sure

just tested it again and it's still not working rip

[iron ridge]

that is.. a very wrong coordinate

[tawny ore]

This can be problematic. I'm pretty sure keys aren't supposed to have slashes in them.

[rough lintel]

^ correct

[vernal crest]

They will have just changed that anyway

[rough lintel]

they are supposed to be "{{ModId}}.Goldfish" or something of the like

[harsh snow]

i've fixed those 2 problems

[vernal crest]

Because I told them to change the keys already

[rough lintel]

word

[uncut viper]

(what problems would the slashes even have?)

[tawny ore]

Ah, sorry I was looking over the json file

[rough lintel]

the problem is that its ooglay

[ivory plume]

(The convention is {{ModId}}_ with an underscore.)

[uncut viper]

telling someone that something is a problem if the reason for it is entirely aesthetic is not helpful for learning

[tawny ore]

Maybe my knowledge is outdated, but I could've sworn in some assets it's pretty strict about keys not having certain special characters

[rough lintel]

i was joking but bokay

[vernal crest]

Have you removed any existing copies of the fish from your inventory before trying to spawn a new one?

[rough lintel]

continuing to make me look goofy in front of the new kids....... i'm gonna eat cardboard

[ivory plume]

The unique string ID format ensures it can be used in other contexts. For example, a unique ID with slashes won't be usable in any slash-delimited data string, file path, etc.

[harsh snow]

i completely restarted the game so there were no old fish in my inventory

[vale stream]

Does anyone know the equivalent of IClickableMenu.drawHoverText for android SDV? Trying to patch shops' item description

[rough lintel]

if i do Modification: Set i don't even think setting Amount will do anything, will it?

if it just gets set in the condition

i know i am wrong but i do not know why

[tawny ore]

As a temporary measure, you can simplify your Texture rule just to make sure that part isn't the problem by replacing this:
"Texture": "Mods\\{{ModID}}\\Goldfish",
with this:
"Texture": "{{InternalAssetKey: assets/Goldfish.png}}"

[harsh snow]

i'll see if that helps ty

[tawny ore]

This is guaranteed to load the Texture correctly. In fact, there's really no point in having the separate texture load as the Texture field itself is patchable by other mods.

[vernal crest]

The texture is not the problem, it's identical to how I have mine

[tawny ore]

I'm just saying it rules out one extra thing that may be configured incorrectly.

[rough lintel]

i don't think i can be as granular as i want with just editing qualitymodifiers for the seedmaker, so i will just table this idea i think

[tawny ore]

Amount needs to be a value of 1 for silver, 2 for gold, or 4 for iridium. You can assign those values however you need to.

[rough lintel]

no no i know, i just can't math the probabilities like i want because gsqs are not like that

[dusk mulch]

If I dont add a schedule to an NPC will it cause an error or will they just stay in the 1 spot?

[tawny ore]

It can be "1" to statically set it, or a token that results in the value of 1.

[rough lintel]

it will error

pretty sure.

[dusk mulch]

Damn it

[tawny ore]

GSQs can't have the probability, but the Amount itself can use tokens to determine it's value

[lucid iron]

if you want more granular logic

[dusk mulch]

How do I get them to stay in the 1 spot without a schedule?

[lucid iron]

you can implement a C# custom outputmethod

[rough lintel]

just do a spring schedule and then put the coordinates where u want them to be

you have to have a schedule

[lucid iron]

which is prob fine cus well, need C# for the harvest part anyways

[rough lintel]

or they will not spawn

[dusk mulch]

Alright

[vernal crest]

Make the schedule points be the same tile they're already on?

[rough lintel]

spring: 600 Map x y d

and thats the whole schedule

[iron ridge]

...oh
that should probably be width

[dusk mulch]

ty! 😅

[rough lintel]

haa, ill probably need to do that

if i want different formulas based on input quality

swear to god i bet making a contest with a win condition is easier than this

[tawny ore]

So I think you can make this into a CP Token:
0.2 * ({{SkillLevel:Farming}} / 10) + 0.2 * (({{SkillLevel:Farming}} + 2) / 12) + 0.01

And then maybe use this in the GSQ:
"RANDOM {{YourToken}}"
"Amount": 2

[rough lintel]

what is amount 2

[tawny ore]

That's gold

[rough lintel]

also: holy shit i can random {{token}}???

[tawny ore]

It means assign gold if the random chance of (gold quality chance) passes

[rough lintel]

ok we are so back actually

[iron ridge]

FINALLY https://this-is-not-a.tokenlogger.zip/JM1XluCONy
THE TILDATA COORDS ARE CORRECT

[rough lintel]

it was so over a minute ago

[harsh snow]

just want to make sure my file structuring is also fine i'm pretty sure it is but i might be wrong

[tawny ore]

@ivory plume if you're still around, should this work? I don't know if CP Tokens can hold the value of mathematical operators?

[uncut viper]

your file structure can be whatever you want, but ideally you would have file extensions showing

[rough lintel]

it can if you do {{Query: }}

[vernal crest]

!log Looks fine, but like Button said we recommend using file extensions. If it's still not working for you, can you share the log with us?

[ocean sail]

Important note: Your computer username may appear in the log. If your username is your full name, please be aware of this before uploading it.

Please share your SMAPI log file. To do so:

1. Open this page: smapi.io/log.
2. Follow the instructions at the top of the page to upload the log file. (Don't copy & paste from the console window!)
3. After uploading, it will show a green box with a URL to share. Post that URL here.

Please do it even if you don't see any errors. This has useful info like what mods and versions you have, what the mods are doing, etc. If the issue didn’t occur in your last session, please load the game to the point where the issue occurs, then upload the log.

To use this command, type !log.

[iron ridge]

pillow trying to parse tbins

[tawny ore]

As long as what CP stores in the token is the chance number like goldChance = 0.5, then having "RANDOM {{goldChance}}" is the same as having "RANDOM 0.5" meaning 50% chance (or whatever the calculation is).

[rough lintel]

"Name": "GoldFormula",
"Value": "{{Query:0.2 * ({{SkillLevel:Farming}} / 10) + 0.2 * (({{SkillLevel:Farming}}  + 2) / 12) + 0.01}}"
},```

methinks

[ivory plume]

Yep, that should work fine.

[dusk mulch]

God it feels so weird making a custom NPC, like im a mad scientist making Frankenstein

[rough lintel]

ohhhh we are so back

                    "Id": "QualityAssignment",
                    "Condition": "ANY \"ITEM_QUALITY Input 1 1, RANDOM {{SilverFormula}}\" \"ITEM_QUALITY Input 2 2, RANDOM {{GoldFormula}}\" \"ITEM_QUALITY Input 4 4, RANDOM {{IridiumFormula}}\"",
                    "Modification": "Set",
                    "Amount": "?"
                },``` ok so

wow i hate tabbing

silver formula just multiplies goldformula by 2, and iridiumformula just multiplies it by 0.5

but uhhhhhhh

i dont know what i'd set for the amount.

if it checks... each of these

[tawny ore]

Silver = 1, Iridium = 4

It will apply the first matching rule so put them in the same order as the game code for it to be evaluated in the same way

[rough lintel]

oh okay

[tawny ore]

i.e., it checks iridium first, then gold, then silver

[rough lintel]

so make iridium go first, gotcha

[true coyote]

if I "save" my mod mid way through uploading it (not at the publishing part) that will just save it for later and not publish it right? just getting late and I may not be able to get it uploaded tonight

[calm nebula]

It shouldn't matter because you're switching on the input quality?

[calm nebula]

Yup!

[rough lintel]

that is true

[true coyote]

danke

[rough lintel]

if its NOT* iridium it wont ever equal iridium

[dusk mulch]

I want to make a system where when you sell a certain amount to an NPC a flag gets set for the next day to change a map, would that need C#?

[calm nebula]

I think my record was more than two years between making mod page and releasing mod

[calm nebula]

Yes

[dusk mulch]

[harsh snow]

https://smapi.io/log/a2e77af4453a48f894613824bbcca532

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.10 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows 11 Home, with 4 C# mods and 1 content packs.

[harsh snow]

here's my log

[rough lintel]

so amount is the lowest number? or

[harsh snow]

thank you for helping so much btw

[tawny ore]

Amount with Set is the exact number you want it to be

[rough lintel]

but that number i want it to be depends on what condition it triggers

[tawny ore]

You'll have an amount per rule, and a rule per quality

And based on what you described, I think you'll only have a rule for producing silver or gold, right?

[vernal crest]

Ok can you try putting patch export Mods/FletchHead.MoreFishies/Goldfish into your SMAPI console and then going to the patch export folder inside your Stardew Valley folder and confirming that it has exported a .png of your fish? I want to double check your texture load is working properly.

[rough lintel]

iridium can produce iridium as well, just. low ass chance

[tawny ore]

Ah, okay three rules then

Each with the Amount set to 1, 2 and 4 respectively

[rough lintel]

oh so i just do three different modifiers

???

[tawny ore]

Yes, exactly

[rough lintel]

OH DUH

okay that . clears everything up lmfao

we are so back (again)

                    "Id": "SilverQualityAssignment",
                    "Condition": "ANY \"ITEM_QUALITY Input 1 1, RANDOM {{SilverFormula}}\"",
                    "Modification": "Set",
                    "Amount": "1"
                },
                {
                    "Id": "GoldQualityAssignment",
                    "Condition": "ANY \"ITEM_QUALITY Input 1 1, RANDOM {{SilverFormula}}\" \"ITEM_QUALITY Input 2 2, RANDOM {{GoldFormula}}\"",
                    "Modification": "Set",
                    "Amount": "2"
                },
                {
                    "Id": "IridiumQualityAssignment",
                    "Condition": "ANY \"ITEM_QUALITY Input 1 1, RANDOM {{SilverFormula}}\" \"ITEM_QUALITY Input 2 2, RANDOM {{GoldFormula}}\" \"ITEM_QUALITY Input 4 4, RANDOM {{IridiumFormula}}\"",
                    "Modification": "Set",
                    "Amount": "4"
                },``` ?

do i change the conditions for each one or like

or do i just

keep same condition

[tawny ore]

I don't think the any is needed, and if you want to match a range of qualities you can do it in one ITEM_QUALITY by using the lower/upper numbers

[harsh snow]

this is what I get

does this mean {{ModID}}/... is not working and I should just put the ID manually?

that's what I pulled from the big error block at least

[tawny ore]

"ITEM_QUALITY Input 1 4" means it will match silver through iridium
But I don't think that's what you want because that means Silver input items will have a chance of producing Iridium.

[rough lintel]

nodnod

[tawny ore]

I think you have it backwards in that you want Silver to Iridum seeds to all have a chance of producing Silver

[rough lintel]

silver should only produce silver, gold should produce gold and silver, iridium produces all 3

oh.

[tawny ore]

Yeah, what you have there is a condition on the Input item (i.e. crop) that lets the seed produced be iridium if it's silver to iridium

[rough lintel]

OH

[tawny ore]

Just remember Input refers to what you put into the Seed Maker, not what comes out of it

[rough lintel]

so input 1 4 should be on the iridium condition?

[vernal crest]

Uhmmm I can't remember what that error means. But I did just realise that if you switched to using internalassetkey like Matt suggested then there's no texture Load to check anyway. Did you switch to "Texture": "{{InternalAssetKey: assets/Goldfish.png}}"?

[tawny ore]

input 1 4 should be on the rule with Amount: 1 since that's the rule that results in a silver quality seed

[rough lintel]

! i see

[tawny ore]

Input 4 4 should be on the rule with Amount: 4 since you only want Iridium seeds if the crop is also iridium quality

[rough lintel]

ahhhhhh i see

[tawny ore]

{
    "Id": "SilverQualityAssignment",
    "Condition": "ITEM_QUALITY Input 1 4, RANDOM {{SilverFormula}}",
    "Modification": "Set",
    "Amount": "1"
},
{
    "Id": "GoldQualityAssignment",
    "Condition": "ITEM_QUALITY Input 2 4, RANDOM {{GoldFormula}}",
    "Modification": "Set",
    "Amount": "2"
},
{
    "Id": "IridiumQualityAssignment",
    "Condition": "ITEM_QUALITY Input 4 4, RANDOM {{IridiumFormula}}\"",
    "Modification": "Set",
    "Amount": "4"
},

[rough lintel]

ahhhhhhh okay okay

i get it now

[tawny ore]

Only in the reverse order if you want Iridium seeds to be calculated first

[rough lintel]

if iridiumformula fails, does it go and check the gold formula?

[tawny ore]

Yes

[rough lintel]

oh my god epic

[vernal crest]

Oh I do remember the error now, Shiloh got it the other day and it was because her png was corrupted. Can you try just making a new png file in mspaint or something and using that instead?

[rough lintel]

is there a way to implement a "iridium can't ever produce regular seeds" rule

like itll guarantee a silver at minimum

[tawny ore]

That's not what's causing this error

The png is trying to be loaded as a data structure

[calm nebula]

You need to specify the type

Patch export asset image

Iirc

[vernal crest]

I've never specified a type when exporting anything

[calm nebula]

You only have to do that if the game has not requested it before

[harsh snow]

i didnt change the texture line but i'll try making a quick png

would this also fix it not being able to go into fish tanks or not giving the fishing minigame too or are they unrelated

to me they seem unrelated but idk much

[vernal crest]

Ok ignore what I said about making a new png. Instead spawn an instance of your fish and then use the patch export command.

[dusk mulch]

bro there are only 3 PORTRAITS AND THE 1ST ONE TOOK ME 30 MINUTES AND IT DOESNT EVEN LOOK THAT GOOD

[tawny ore]

The reason why I suggested using InternalAssetKey is that it basically makes it impossible for the texture loading to be the issue. By reducing the number of things that can be wrong, you'll eventually find out what is wrong. Instead of doing that you're going to end up troubleshooting the same steps over and over again.

[harsh snow]

by spawn do you mean just player_add name it into my inventory?

[vernal crest]

Yup

It's appearing as an error item when you do that, I assume?

[harsh snow]

actually there's no error

and the export folder has the exact sprite in assets

but there's still no sprite in game

[tawny ore]

You haven't technically gotten to any of the fish-specific stuff yet. Spawning an object is relatively straightforward. Not a lot is needed for that to spawn correctly.

[calm nebula]

Okay

Stupid questions time

How big is your sprite