making-mods-general

[uncut viper]

if you were doing ___hoverText you would

[brave fable]

ah ofc

[brittle pasture]

it passes by val, but the val is already the reference to the instance

[brave fable]

which menu are you testing this in btw?

[uncut viper]

InventoryMenu

[brave fable]

inventorymenu isn't a menu in itself though

[uncut viper]

oh you meant in game not the class

[brave fable]

well it is, but it's usually contained in MenuWithInventory

on the topic of silly menus, but the opposite end of the 'how often should we update the layout' spectrum

[twin jungle]

hello everyone i'm trying to make a mod using content patcher, and i want to change sam's name, how would i do this?

[brittle pasture]

you would change the value of the DisplayName field in Data/Characters

(or the entry in Strings/NPCNames that it points to)

you also need to change every dialogue in the game that references his name

[brave fable]

alternatively, there's a comprehensive mod to replace all references to villager names if that's only what you need
https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/9271

[brittle pasture]

or that haha

[brave fable]

since otherwise you're replacing alllllll the dialogue

[twin jungle]

thanks, i have that mod but im making a mod which includes name changes, im adding one direction to stardew valley LOL

this is what i ha ev

[brave fable]

in that case i'd simply recommend looking at how this mod works, since the json files are pretty much what-you-see-is-what-you-get

[uncut viper]

wizzy wig, if you wizzy will

[brave fable]

just to replace the NPC display names would likely be

{
  "Action": "EditData",
  "Target": "Strings/NPCNames",
  "Entries": {
    "Sam": "My fav one direction star xoxo"
  }
}```

[twin jungle]

how did u know it was sam HAHA

[distant steppe]

where i can get help

channel

[brave fable]

i'm psychic 😌

[twin jungle]

oh shit i did

[brave fable]

shuit UP

[uncut viper]

sorry i mean uh

[twin jungle]

sorry i said a bad word idk if i can do that here

[uncut viper]

blueberry is psychic

[uncut viper]

help with what

[distant steppe]

like when i join my friend's mod world this is the screen i get

it doesn't load ,_,

[uncut viper]

!mh

[ocean sail]

For help with modding issues, please ask in #1272025932932055121! When asking for assistance there, sharing an error log will help others identify your issue (see https://smapi.io/log for instructions).

To use this command, type !mh.

[twin jungle]

ur in liminal space

[dusk mulch]

Is there a debug command that gives me every recipe?

Like makes every recipe show up in the menu?

[brave fable]

debug cooking

[dusk mulch]

no crafting recipes

[brave fable]

debug crafting i hope lol

[dusk mulch]

ty!

[twin jungle]

does this format look correct (i've never used json before idk the parameters for like lines and stuff, i'm a python girlie)

[uncut viper]

(did you want a json tutorial)

[brave fable]

you'd want to use "Sam": "Niall" as your entries entry there, and also close the object by adding a } on the next line

[twin jungle]

nah i just want to know if thst looks correct

[uncut viper]

well you will need to figure out json right quick if you're gonna be stardew modding

[brave fable]

"Entries": { ... opens an object, which you need to close after writing its properties

"Sam": "Niall" is the property there, and importantly it isn't meant to be on the same level as "Action", "Target", "Entries"

[twin jungle]

like this? sorry im legit freeballing this as a mod project ffor my one direction discord sevrer LOL

[brave fable]

that'll work, sure. but also do try and keep the indentation consistent -- just because this isn't python doesn't mean you don't have to use good indentation

{
  "Action": "EditData",
  "Target": "Strings/NPCNames",
  "Entries": {
    "Sam": "Niall"
  }
}

[twin jungle]

python indentation was the death of me unfortunately

[brave fable]

worth remembering that "Sam" is the name of this NPC anywhere the game is trying to reference him specifically, rather than just naming him in dialogue, so you'll still be using that as a key rather than "Niall", which is purely for display/dialogue purposes

[teal bridge]

Hey, at least the indents are consistent between individual lines.

[twin jungle]

i get thjis now

WHAT THEY CLOSED DOWN ATOM

[uncut viper]

this is about the time that the importance of actually learning json becomes evident

Atom has been closed for like half a decade i think

[brave fable]

!json and share your link here

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[brave fable]

https://json.smapi.io specifically

[twin jungle]

No since 2023 apparently and i had no ieda

[uncut viper]

okay just 3 years so not quite

[twin jungle]

i used atom for my python

[brave fable]

pycharm is still glorious and free, but obviously made for python rather than this kind of stuff

[teal bridge]

Atom? That ancient text editor?

[twin jungle]

oh well ig i can download it still idk thats weird i just redownloaded it lol

[uncut viper]

(Pycharm is free?)

[twin jungle]

i just like atom its what i know

[brave fable]

yup, it has a premium professional edition though

[twin jungle]

i was a renpy developer so

[uncut viper]

i see no free license, but its not important here right now anyway

(aside from student stuff obv)

[twin jungle]

i keep getting the error this is what it looks ike rn

[brave fable]

(pycharm community edition is free!)

[uncut viper]

use the json uploader blueberry linked you to when sharing jsons here

[teal bridge]

lol, indentation is still off, blueberry must be having a fit.

[brave fable]

you do have a ] on or after line 16, do you?

[twin jungle]

i'm blind hal the time

[teal bridge]

I say just go all out with it.

{
    "Action": "EditData",
         "Target":"abc/xyz",
"Entries":    {
         "abc": "Stuff"
   }

[twin jungle]

i did not

[teal bridge]

Indentation randomizer.

[uncut viper]

why are you keeping the : so close to the keys and values?

[teal bridge]

They're besties.

[brave fable]

"Entries"
:{ "abc" :"stuff" }

[teal bridge]

Oh, you mean why aren't some of them even further off.

[twin jungle]

    "Format": "2.5.0",
    "Changes": [
        {
            "Action": "Load",
            "Target": "Portraits/Sam",
            "FromFile": "assets/niall.png"
        },
        {
          "Action": "EditData",
          "Target": "Strings/NPCNames",
          "Entries": {
            "Sam": "Niall"
        }
      }
    ]```

[calm nebula]

!vscode

[brave fable]

have you closed the very first {

[uncut viper]

your json is still broken as its missing a }, which the json uploader that blueberry linked you to would tell you as well

[calm nebula]

!vsc

[ocean sail]

When creating content mods, it's useful to have a program that will check the validity of your json for you. We tend to recommend either VSCode https://code.visualstudio.com/download or notepad++ https://notepad-plus-plus.org/downloads/

To use this command, type !vsc.

[brave fable]

EVERY { and [ and " needs to be closed with its matching opposite

[twin jungle]

isn't that what this is? sorry i'm stupid LOL

[brave fable]

and that closing character needs to be in a sensible place, after all of its contents

you may be stupid but we can work through it 🙏

[uncut viper]

i would like to point out that at this point you are receiving a json tutorial

[twin jungle]

HAHA

[brave fable]

drop your file into https://json.smapi.io/ and send us the link here, no screenshots

then we can edit it and send it back

[twin jungle]

https://smapi.io/json/none/a0ebbd048a7446ba8efd2bb022b07b3b

[brave fable]

classic "error on line 18" in a 16 line file

[twin jungle]

sorry i forgot to set it as content patcher

does that change anything or should i resend the link

[brave fable]

tadaa https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/cc260bc6cdb3412f80e2b29a93b5e1fc

[uncut viper]

(dont worry about that thats just for extra CP validation)

you can change it in the dropdown any time

but CP does not change the fundamentals of json

[brave fable]

you hadn't closed the first { on line 1, which you needed to do on the last line of the file

[twin jungle]

hello niall

[brave fable]

impeccable 😌

[twin jungle]

so that doesn't change his referalls in dialogue, just the display name right

[brave fable]

yep, pretty much all the dialogue in the game rewrites his name

[twin jungle]

is it a bad idea to ask how to change that too

[brave fable]

it'd be a bad idea to answer how since it'd take forever

[uncut viper]

the answer is manually

for every string

[twin jungle]

okay, that mod you sent me it says it can be used for mods like this to like do it easier? or do i suck at comprehension

[uncut viper]

that mod has just already done the "manually, for every string" part

it has it set up so that it works with a config token so an end-user need only use GMCM to configure the names

it is about 10,000 lines long

[twin jungle]

so for a mod like this should i just tell whoever downloads it to also download that mod and change the names

[brave fable]

pretty much! you could include a premade config.json file with your mod download that includes an already-set-up config for Ultimate Villager Manager, which the user could then copy into their UVM mod folder

it'd replace any existing config if they have one unless they copy the contents manually from your config file to their existing one, but better than nothing

[twin jungle]

okay, yeah i got it thanks thats much more helpful (and realistic)

[brave fable]

ideally UVM would let people edit a data model and make changes from their own mods, but that's neither here nor there

[uncut viper]

keep in mind it will also not be the most compatible thing

[brittle pasture]

(semirelated but I think ichor is working to repurpose the j club into a more generic vil renamer mod)

[teal bridge]

Next on "when meme mods turn serious", we look at the killer seagulls mod that is now being developed into a new survival-horror spinoff game.

[brittle pasture]

(funny thought, a global villager renamer mod that works with any villagers vanilla or modded, with any dialogue addons, was created so we could have Jabigail)

(or Abigonch)

(or Abeighgeigl)

[teal bridge]

But not Abijail

[tiny zealot]

sorry that the tragedeigh alt mode didn't make the cut (yet). it's way harder than the current modes

tl;dr the default J mode almost entirely does not care what the starting name is. boncher mode cares a little. for tragedeigh you have to like deduce pronunciations so you can morph correctly, which is very difficult because english lol

[twin jungle]

ok so the days only go to the 28th and it just so happens liams birthday is the 29th of august, any ideas

[brave fable]

he doesn't get a birthday

[sweet meadow]

so on the patch export can you make it cvs or tab deliminated instead of json?

[brave fable]

i mean august isnt in the game either. go wild. tuesday summer

[uncut viper]

if you convert it with your own script yeah

[sweet meadow]

i was hoping that wasnt the answer. thanks

[tiny zealot]

convert 29 august into a day of season, then map it to the 1-28 range

or like pick a day you like

[tender bloom]

Make it 19 instead

[twin jungle]

i just set it to 28

[tender bloom]

• also a prime
• ends in 9

28 seems pretty reasonable too!

[brittle pasture]

random thought - monday/tuesday/etc being in game implies that norse mythology exists in the SDV universe

(and roman)

[brave fable]

sure, so long as you play in english

[brittle pasture]

which brings us to another question - what's the language the pelican town resident speaks is called

[uncut viper]

ferngillian

[brittle pasture]

ferngillian?

[brave fable]

ferngillian.

[rotund elm]

is there a console command to list the mod an item is from if it isnt listed in their context tags

[uncut viper]

thinking about it i dont really think i have a reason why i went with ferngillian instead of the maybe more similar ferngillish

the game doesnt have a way to differentiate between items added by different mods

they are all simply items

if their internal data does not make it clear then theres not much you can do

[brave fable]

doesn't lookup anything know the details

[uncut viper]

only if they follow the convention

it parses the uniqueid from the item id prefix

[brittle pasture]

it does so by hoping that the mod author prefixes the item id with the mod id

[rotund elm]

i tried it doesnt show

The mod itself may have the authors same but I am not sure who it is

Its supert

[brittle pasture]

file system search time probably

[uncut viper]

if its not in the item data then your best bet is ctrl F on your mods directory

[brittle pasture]

grep -ri my beloved

[rotund elm]

Thank god I have an ssd

[sweet meadow]

there is but its not fun...

im going through 200k + to sort items so i can find the categories im looking for.

[brittle pasture]

well I did this aeons ago
#1284189032930349127 message

[lucid jewel]

Would someone mind telling me what this is saying? https://smapi.io/log/45d94902b0654b57877d48dd30c95d23

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.10 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows 11 Home, with 12 C# mods and 2 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[uncut viper]

!tilesheetclimbing

[ocean sail]

When creating or editing maps in Tiled, one common error is tilesheet climbing, marked by red text containing "invalid tilesheet path '../../..'. This is caused by SMAPI not being able to find the tilesheets needed by the map file. To prevent this error, make sure that you have a copy of all necessary tilesheets in the folder containing your WIP tmx file. Copies of vanilla tilesheets can later be deleted, but must be present while working on your map.

If you get this error with a completed map, an easy way to fix it is to open your tmx file in VS Code or a similar text editor, find all of the places with <image source=, and remove the filepaths to so that only the tilesheet names remain. For example, if the code says <image source="Content (unpacked)/Maps/townInterior_2" width="512" height="64"/>, change it to just <image source="townInterior_2" width="512" height="64"/>.

To use this command, type !tilesheetclimbing.

[lucid jewel]

Okay, so I should just change where the tilesheets are coming from?

[uncut viper]

the .pngs need to be in the same folder as your .tmx when editing the map to prevent it

if you've already made the map then you can just edit the .tmx in notepad as a quick fix and just remember for next time

[dusk mulch]

Can I use Editmap to add map-properties?

[uncut viper]

yes

[dusk mulch]

Alright, ty!

[sweet meadow]

THANK YOU

[lucid iron]

sdv android is aot atm right

what exactly is smapi on android linking to

[uncut viper]

they reverted that

[lucid iron]

i thought it got turned back on

confusing

[tiny zealot]

same, and that there was some workaround or something found

[uncut viper]

if they reverted the reversion then i missed it ig

[jolly torrent]

hi uh. trying to figure out how to make a shop that'll sell every 'forage' tagged item in the game. can't figure out how to get the item ids to work. am i silly

[tiny zealot]

use an Item Query, most likely

[jolly torrent]

been trying to do that - have it set like this:

                        {
                            "ItemId": "ALL_ITEMS",
                            "PerItemCondition": "ITEM_CATEGORY Target -81"
                        }
                    ]```

i feel like i'm bashing my head against the wall tbh

[glad minnow]

Whats the different between AT and CP? and which one should I download?

[uncut viper]

CP and AT isnt even comparing apples and oranges its like comparing apples to walnuts

you download whichever one you want to make a mod for

[glad minnow]

which one do you recommend?

[uncut viper]

there is no recommending

they dont do anything without a mod that uses them

[tiny zealot]

well, that looks right to me at a glance. what result are you getting?

[uncut viper]

if you're not talking about making mods, you're not in the right channel

[vale stream]

Does anyone know if the DayStarted event repeats in multiplayer? I'm getting data parsed and then it immediately disappears (I only log this once in DayStarted)

[jolly torrent]

i can't even open the shop at all actually which makes me wonder if it's not an issue with how i'm loading in the assets

like i've been looking at things and it should work! but it's just. Not

[uncut viper]

is this a splitscreen log?

[vale stream]

No, it's not splitscreen

[lucid iron]

try giving an Id maybe?

[uncut viper]

daystarted only happens when the day starts or after you connect, so it shouldnt happen twice back to back as far as i know

[lucid iron]

is it a existing game shop

[uncut viper]

unless you are adding your event handler twice

[jolly torrent]

no it is not--i'm loading extra tiles onto an existing map

[lucid iron]

sounds like you replaced the whole items list then

[vale stream]

Hmm...just checked and no, I'm adding it once

[jolly torrent]

would anyone be willing to look at the mod and see what the hell i'm doing wrong because i'm kind of at a loss tbh

[tiny zealot]

!json sure, upload your content.json and link it here

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[jolly torrent]

...wait. hold on. i think i might have done a very silly

if this fixes it i'm going to feel so dumb

yeah no okay. hold on

Content.json: https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/5eda952990314563bea635fecea08fed
Shops.json: https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/06c9e1bac8544a1fadda2935539bcb02

[uncut viper]

did you include a tile on the Buildings layer beneath your (presumed) OpenShop TileData?

[tiny zealot]

i also presume that you have seen the warning about Format not being permitted in included .json files (you want nothing but Changes in those)

[jolly torrent]

yes, and just changed it to nix Format and that still does zilch

[uncut viper]

just to be super sure, its on Buildings and not like, Buildings2 right
can you send a log after doing patch summary

[lucid iron]

have you tried debug shop myAphelion.CP.ForageShop_Shop

for san check

[tiny zealot]

(the shop is well-formed. i threw the code into a dummy pack on my end and it opens correctly)

but chu is right, you should try that

[jolly torrent]

yeah let me check that real fast

okay debug command runs fine, portrait shows up and everything which is good

[lucid iron]

besides that the common tmx tiledata stuff gotchas are

• did you snap to grid
• is it Action : OpenShop ..., do you see a hand cursor when in game
• did you try to use any content patcher tokens? you can't do that

[jolly torrent]

snap to grid yes,
Action: OpenShop myAphelion.CP.ForageShop_Shop yes, no hand cursor,
by CP tokens what do we mean here?

[lucid iron]

{{ModId}}

spel hard

[tiny zealot]

my extremely serious note is that fiddlehead ferns are a Vegetable so your item query does not return them, even though they are on your stall's counter /lh

[uncut viper]

mioele

[jolly torrent]

afaik the only place i have those are in the dialogue string for i18n which

[lucid iron]

no hand cursor means the tile data didn't make it into game

[jolly torrent]

shouldn't matter??

gah

i don't know what i did wrong then

[tiny zealot]

also my mouse wife would be visiting this stall constantly. it's in the forest and two of her favorite foods are for sale

[lucid iron]

can u send ur tmx

[jolly torrent]

yes i can

[tiny zealot]

i am suspecting an extremely minor goof on the actual tiledata property

[jolly torrent]

it's probably something so small and so silly

fwiw this is my first time screwing around with shops specifically so i'm all out of my depth. i've been on the wiki and trying so hard

[uncut viper]

its not named TileData

[jolly torrent]

...are you serious

[lucid iron]

is this the entire forest

[jolly torrent]

is that the only issue

[lucid iron]

yea its missing

[jolly torrent]

also yes but i'm only loading a single chunk

[lucid iron]

idk why u have it in your ss

maybe u forgor to save

[jolly torrent]

wait

i know what happened. oh my god

[uncut viper]

that would be my guess, i didnt think to ask for a check on that bc its in the screenshot

[jolly torrent]

i'm so so silly

[lucid iron]

anyways since you are patching only a bit

you can crop down ur tmx so it's not the whole forest

[jolly torrent]

how would one go about doing that

also for the record: i've been saving it into the wrong folder

[sweet meadow]

im getting odd error and since i havent done any programming in like 30 years... not sure how to fix.

PS D:\temp> py parse_objects.py
File "D:\temp\parse_objects.py", line 56
sanitize(entry["Type"])
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax. Perhaps you forgot a comma?

[lucid iron]

Map > Resize Map in tiled

i dont think tiled has a ez to use crop tool does it

the kind that let u crop to selection

[sweet meadow]

nevermind i hate commas

[jolly torrent]

sadly it does not but i'm sure i can figure it out thanks y'all i feel a bit silly now

[tiny zealot]

i thought it did, but maybe i'm just remembering the preview in the resize/crop window. it's been a while

[tiny zealot]

Map -> Crop to Selection

[jolly torrent]

oh WAIT it does

[vernal crest]

You can use the select tool to just select the bit you want to keep and then use crop to selection

[jolly torrent]

it totally does. yahoo

[lucid iron]

Yay use that then

[tiny zealot]

(update your EditMap and remove the FromArea when you do)

[jolly torrent]

done and done, let's see if that works now

i feel very silly but it should

folks we have a winner

[lucid iron]

But fiddlehead ferns

[jolly torrent]

i'll probably add anything that's not specifically 'forage' tagged from vanilla at least

[lucid iron]

This is gonna be another victim of vanilla shop menu limits once u have enough mod

[jolly torrent]

lmao yeah it will but it's fine. i'm mostly using this for personal stuff anyway :) friend and i are doing some things where we really need to be able to buy forage

[sweet meadow]

def add the jelly's and seaweed 🙂

[molten charm]

so i want my crop to be sold by the raccoons. I'm not sure how to do that but i found this mod that makes stardrop tea purchasable from the raccoons. would this be helpful for adding my crops to the raccoon shop? here's the stardrop tea mod that i found https://smapi.io/json/none/a9ee9f46a2f54065b93e5ae749d321d2

[vernal crest]

Yup, that's just editing the raccoon shop to add an item to it and you'd do the same thing

[dusk mulch]

If I am using mapedit to add map properties do I put in the tile coordinates of the map im putting on or the map im putting the thing onto?

[vernal crest]

You put the coordinates of the map you are Targeting with your EditMap action

[dusk mulch]

Alright, ty!

[molten charm]

okok i see. What would i put in the "TradeItemID" "ID" and "ItemID" fields?

[dusk mulch]

If I am adding a new location I need to load the map into content/maps first, right?

[vernal crest]

Given that the snippet we're looking at here is for buying Stardrop tea (and has StardropTea in Id and ItemId), what would be your guess?

[molten charm]

well i'm trying to add a mod item soooo

Would it be like {{ModId}}_blahblah ?

[vernal crest]

Have you already written the code for your modded crop?

Like its entry in Data/Objects and its entry in Data/Crops etc?

[molten charm]

Yes

[vernal crest]

What ID did you give your crop in its Data/Objects entry?

[molten charm]

{{ModId}}_YellowBoboberry

so ig thats what i would put...

[vernal crest]

Yup

[molten charm]

ok thx

very much

[brittle ledge]

okay, does anyone know what the fuck SMAPI is smoking by throwing this error? JSON says I'm fine
https://smapi.io/log/5dc5e1415efe4b4b83fc4f7f10fc1f6a
https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/da11181290c748698c04f8e83000b7c4

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.8 with SDV 1.6.14 build 24317 on Microsoft Windows 11 Pro, with 90 C# mods and 239 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[brittle ledge]

All of this was working until I changed the i18n strings.

[acoustic summit]

I have never seen that LOL Even the log parser* is confused how to handle of those symbols

[lucid iron]

do you have a }} mismatch

[brittle ledge]

I posted my JSON, but not that I can see

which is why this is so frustrating

I even copypasted over an i18n key with the range from a working file, didn't change a thing

[lucid iron]

this is sadly what the warning is about tho, lexer failure

can you post Jio.Dialogue.8heart keys?

[languid aurora]

Error parsing '' as a tokenizable string seems like the most relevant part

[lucid iron]

and Jio.Dialogue.10heart

[acoustic summit]

hm

[brittle ledge]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/da11181290c748698c04f8e83000b7c4

Or do you want the i18n file itself?

[lucid iron]

yea i18n itself

although hm

this failed before tokens even resolved right

but theres several nested levels o tokens

so maybe it could be i18n yes

so yes pls post the i18n

[brittle ledge]

[sigh] Avi found it. There's a missing bracket in the next patch down

so in other words the log was negative help

i reiterate: I hate brackets

[lucid iron]

well it is kind of unmatched }} isnt it

[brittle ledge]

yeah, but the actual patch it said was the error was fine

it was the next one down

[lucid iron]

rly i wonder how that works

[brittle ledge]

But thank you for taking a look, I appreciate it even as I contemplate stabbing something

[languid aurora]

In case anyone is curious about my final approach to making my Colored Honey Labels mod more save game friendly, I ended up going with just tweaking object properties in the 'SaveLoaded', 'Saving', and 'Saved' events to make the honey ColoredObject "backwards compatible" if the save game is played without my mod installed.

Since the sprite index is stored on objects themselves, I set ParentSheetIndex back to the default honey one for all honey objects just before saving.
Also colored objects have their color and whether to tint them or use the sprite next to them as a tinted overlay stored on them, so I flip their ColorSameIndexAsParentSheetIndex to true and - after storing their current color's PackedValue int in their modData - set their color to white.

This effectively make them appear as a standard Object since "tinting" with white does nothing. Note that using transparent as the color actually makes them invisible, so don't do that.

Then when loading the save or just after saving, I just set their sprite index to the current one for my mod's current honey texture, and reset their color and which-index-to-tint back to what they were. Shuffling the properties of the honey objects around in this way was about twice as performant vs creating new Object and ColoredObject for each of these events.

I use StardewValley.Utility.ForEachItemContext in each event handler to deal with all honey objects and immediately filter the item by qualified item ID so as little processing as necessary happens per loop.

[fierce vault]

Hi. This is my first time on discord and in this server. I'm working on an npc mod and looking for advice on diffrerent things. Is it cool if I ask some questions?

[brittle ledge]

!npc

[ocean sail]

Creating a Custom NPC

Keep in mind that making NPCs is a complex process that requires learning many different aspects of Stardew modding.
Here are a few links that can help get you started on all that you need to know:

• Tiakall has a great tutorial on making a custom NPC for 1.6.

• NPCs no longer use dispositions, check the wiki page for the new NPC data.

• Aviroen has put together a template that will allow you to easily create a romanceable NPC.

• Feel free to jump into the https://discord.com/channels/137344473976799233/1277457201077813280 thread for more interactive feedback and help!

• Fireredlily has a WIP NPC Builder Please do report any errors you get with it into the NPC thread!

To use this command, type !npc.

[brittle ledge]

that's where to get started, but if you have specific questions fire away!

[fierce vault]

Thank you, though I am slightly past that part

[lusty elm]

Yes just be aware if we don't answer, its not that we are ignoring you, its that we all have our own specialties, and we tend to stay silent if we don't know.

[fierce vault]

I totally get that

I'll appreciate any help I can get

[brave fable]

some would say not knowing is my specialty

[brittle ledge]

hush, C# wizard 😛

[lusty elm]

C# i would still consider a specialty, not an omni

[brave fable]

i definitely don't know npcs though

[uncut viper]

i have approximate knowledge of various aspects of npcs if that counts

[brittle ledge]

I know some things

[lusty elm]

Ask a wizard how to flatten a field and grow crops and they quote spells at you, then you ask how a peasant would do it and they shrug and look at you blankly.

[brittle ledge]

you definitely know things though

[fierce vault]

So, i was wondering if Having multiple TMX files for the interior of one house would cause lag for players. I kind of want to make variations for seasons and may even some dirtier variations of the house's interior that could get pulled randomly each day. Is this worth the effort?

[uncut viper]

it wouldnt be an amount of lag to be worth worrying about, really

and it'd all be hidden behind a black loading screen

[brittle ledge]

If you want to, sure! I do a small patch on mine that randomizes a part of the house between 14 variations, it's definitely not super hard

[fierce vault]

Oh neat! so i could just patch certain areas intead of having a whole different version load each time?

[lusty elm]

if you're really concerned about it, just make sure that you're loading it once and then patching it conditionally to change it instead of doing something like having 10 houses loaded or something.

[lucid mulch]

different loads based on condition is more performant than applying major edits on top, and the performance savings goes up by the size of the map

[dusk mulch]

What is the action to remove a tile on a layer? I don't want to have to make another mapedit.

[vernal crest]

Do you mean using a CP patch or just the eraser in Tiled?

[brave fable]

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/action-editmap.md#edit-map-tiles

see: Remove

[dusk mulch]

CP patch

[lucid mulch]

map edits is one of the most expensive things you can do in content patcher

[dusk mulch]

ty!

[brave fable]

if you use the subscription plan with ads it's not so bad

[dusk mulch]

what?

[lusty elm]

i stand corrected on best practice, I just know that when i make a farm map with 16 maps it loads slower

[vernal crest]

Blueberry was making a joke

[dusk mulch]

oh

[lucid mulch]

I've been spending the last week staring at profiler logs of maps taking forever and one of the last things I tried (and failed) to optimise during 1.5.6 was making map edits less expensive

[brittle ledge]

Which is more expensive, an edit or multiple loads?

[fierce vault]

So, I'm getting closer to finishing the house in tiled, but i will need to replace some sprite sheets with updated changes I've made to some custom assets. Do you know if doing that will delete everything the previous tile sheet had placed on the map, even if the updated ones are in the same place?

[brittle ledge]

If you're not expanding the image width and just expanding it down, it should be fine.

[dusk mulch]

depends if you mean in terms of performance or community

[lucid mulch]

There will only ever be one load that runs.
and changing your mind and wanting a different edit will run the load anyway so you may aswell make your overhaul change in the load.

[dusk mulch]

loading makes the mod compatability trash but performance isnt as bad i dont think

[brittle ledge]

Yeah, I was thinking about SVE's performance issues and I know maps are a big part of that, but I thought SVE loaded most of its maps

[vernal crest]

If you edit the source for the tileset to replace it with a tilesheet that's the same in terms of tile placement, it will be fine. If you've moved stuff around, the tiles will stay on the map but they'll be of different things.

SVE does load most of its maps but it also makes a whole bunch of edits to them afterwards too

[brittle ledge]

so by multiple loads I mean more like that, where a mod/mods are loading over vanilla

[fierce vault]

Thanks

[lucid mulch]

when talking about vanilla maps you are kinda forced to do edit unless you throw compat out the window, but doing a major edit with increasing map size will kinda break compat anyway

[fierce vault]

Thanks

[vernal crest]

Only if it's a vanilla asset - if it's your own you get free reign to load whatever you want

[vernal crest]

Hum that was meant to be a reply to this message

[lusty elm]

I think he was saying the loads are better when conditional, so its doing a load once, without having to patch with say 10 variations on conditions (10 checks), vs applying a patch in 12 locations with 10 variants, being 120 checks(and the base load)?

is that right SinZ?

[fierce vault]

So, how should I go about with currently making my house than? Should I just make the first version complete and than... make cropped out duplicate TMXs to patch the original one? Maybe I should come back here when the house is complete and then worry about additional variations.

[viral spire]

Complete Newb to coding/modding I followed the wiki tutorial to get me started and have successfully managed to get SMAPI to “run” my empty mod. I want to start by creating a clock that displays the current system time upon mouse over of the in game clock. Where do I start to learn this language??

[dusk mulch]

oh...

that would be C# which i have been modding for 1-2 years and i havnt gotten close to learning

[lucid mulch]

The when conditions may as well be free, it is very computationally expensive doing the edits to a map.
https://smapi.io/json/none/b7d9e51b9b434545b7ae2a6086c6567f
the load itself by sve was only 55ms of the 886ms and another ~40ms or so of edits, and the other 700+ms was the other edits to the asset.

The bigger the map the more expensive the edits become, though CP is smart enough to be much cheaper if its just map properties (though wanting that map property edit to be different causes everything else to run again).

[dusk mulch]

i would reccommend starting with sprites and mapping

(mapping isnt so hard when you get the hang of it)

[lucid mulch]

If nothing edits the map during the day, the performance cost doesn't matter that much.
but it just takes one mod to decide doing a LocationChange or TimeChanged edits a good idea, and everyones edits has to run again

[dusk mulch]

me when the json validator says im missing a comma

[lusty elm]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/Get_Started#Learn_C.23

[dusk mulch]

they said they followed that tut

they want to learn C# now

[vernal crest]

Oh does this mean that if someone is doing a mod with an OnTimeChanged update rate for a map edit, every other mod's edits to that map will be run every 10 in-game minutes as well?

[viral spire]

Yup done that already lol

[languid aurora]

While I see that you're trying to start with something "easy", doing that involves some of the more complicated parts of modding Stardew, namely messing with UI elements since most of the game's UI is pretty hard-coded. You could look at UI Info Suite for lots of examples of integrating with the UI and doing things like popups, though.
https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/7098
https://github.com/Annosz/UIInfoSuite2
There is also Stardew UI, a framework for dealing with UI stuff
https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/28870

[viral spire]

Whoops wrong reply

[vernal crest]

Draylon linked to the part of the wiki page that links to resources for learning C#

[dusk mulch]

you just started modding and you have already made a map?

[lusty elm]

That page has a section on learning C# i linked to that section.

[dusk mulch]

oh

[viral spire]

I meant to reply to the wiki tutorial

[lucid mulch]

if the edits conditions (or contents) changed, yes.
the act of OnTimechanged or LocationChanged wont cause the edits themselves to rerun, it just controls how often cp checks if it needs to rerun

[dusk mulch]

all good

[lucid mulch]

There is a performance cost for cp to even need to check again, which in isolation is negligable but does add up

[viral spire]

I just need a good source to reference for this mystical craft of logic and letters.

[vernal crest]

Ah okay so if the actual change is only made once a day it will make everything only re-edit once a day. But if a mod were to actually do a map edit every 10 minutes (like Pau was thinking of) it would make everything re-edit every 10 in-game minutes which would be extreme.

[languid aurora]

See my message above with example and reference mods

[dusk mulch]

Are you sure you want to get into this area of modding? It is very hard and again, I have been modding for 1-2 years and havnt touched it

[viral spire]

I’m a determined individual

[brave fable]

honestly if you already know some C# it's not that bad, you'd just copy parts of StardewValley.Menus.DayTimeMoneyBox.cs but with some tweaks to show system time

the sensible parts, at least

[vernal crest]

If you're not already confident with C# I can definitely attest that trying UI stuff is a hard way to start (see my recent attempts to try doing UI even with StardewUI lol #1256552123202539561 message)

[dusk mulch]

Well then, godspeed. https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/Get_Started (This is the C# starter guide)

[vernal crest]

They have already said they've done that bit

[lucid mulch]

entering the world of ILSpy and then Harmony patches is very much a learning curve

[lusty elm]

Ye. Let him do what he wants to do, even if one person struggles with something doesnt mean another will.

[brave fable]

you don't need harmony patches or ilspy to add a new clock, though

[dusk mulch]

Fair enough

[viral spire]

I concur it will be hard! And that is exactly why I want to do it. Force myself to learn what is necessary to achieve my goal.

[lusty elm]

I know ppl here who haaaaate doing mapping or struggle with it, but I sit there happily working on a map for 16 hrs straight (usually my sessions aren't that long, but i've done it before).

[dusk mulch]

instead of working on my mod i will lurk in the chat to see if i can help people

[languid aurora]

There's nothing inherently wrong with starting with a hard project, as long as you know it'll be difficult going into it

[vernal crest]

Good for you ^_^ I am definitely not wanting to deter you from it, especially since it's basically what I'm doing hahaha

[lusty elm]

Thats kinda what i'm doing, I finished the map i'm working on, and taking a small break before i tackle Map 4 of 5

[dusk mulch]

who is this directed to?

[lusty elm]

you, when you said you were procrastinating.

[dusk mulch]

oh fair enough lol

[viral spire]

Thanks M8 a decent shortcut

[lusty elm]

Summer Greenhouse map if ppl are curious. Just gotta do Fall and Winter now.

[dusk mulch]

Pace yourself, take time off as you need to. But have fun at that.

[lusty elm]

Ye, NPC's and Coding are in my opinion the most difficult/involved things to do with modding. NPC's touch on so many systems, and coding is well... coding.

[velvet narwhal]

🤝 sometimes you get into a groove with some fun new tilesheets and you honestly can't stop (me, i'm addicted to kailey's tilesheets)

[vernal crest]

I am a slow mapmaker, especially for outdoor maps because of all the water edges and cliffs. I try to switch it up with other things so I don't get frustrated.

Did your question about how to do your map changes get answered, btw?

[unique sigil]

it's like a cheeto version of playing lego

[lusty elm]

Thats Fair, the Map that became Forever Falls Farm started purely because I saw that we got 2 tall cliff tiles and i wanted to showcase them. https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/18317 if you're curious.

[lucid iron]

maps r great but also make me want to die because of how finicky they are

[brittle ledge]

NPCs aren't really hard per se but if you're starting with one, it's easy to get overwhelmed because they do have so many parts

my first NPC was like my 9th mod

[fierce vault]

Yes. I unfortunately need the maps done before I can make events, schedules, and some other things though. But you know, it's alright, it'll just take a while

[vernal crest]

Maybe I should make my wife make my maps then since she's the one who considers building Lego to be playing with it whereas I want to tell stories with it after it's built xD

[brave fable]

the important part is to call Game1.onScreenMenus.Add(new MyFunnySystemClockMenu()); at a sensible time, maybe on GameLoop.ReturnedToTitle, e.g.

// ModEntry.cs

using StardewModdingAPI;
using StardewModdingAPI.Events;
using StardewModdingAPI.Utilities;
using StardewValley;
using StardewValley.Extensions;

namespace MyFunnyCSProjectName;

public class ModEntry : Mod
{
  public override void Entry(IModHelper helper)
  {
    helper.Events.GameLoop.ReturnedToTitle+= this.OnReturnedToTitle;
  }

  private void OnReturnedToTitle(object sender, ReturnedToTitleEventArgs e)
  {
    Game1.onScreenMenus.RemoveWhere(menu => menu is MyFunnySystemClockMenu);
    Game1.onScreenMenus.Add(new MyFunnySystemClockMenu());
  }
}

[brittle ledge]

yeah maps are hard which is why I give some tips on how to avoid them

[unique sigil]

maps are easier to me once i finished designing a workflow that's good for me

[brave fable]

from there you just have to make a menu. which is easy or hard depending on how you look at it

[lusty elm]

I have often described mapping as "making the tiles go click clack" to "paint a picture".

[brave fable]

searching for hover in any menu class will show you pretty much how hovertext works

same for draw and update

[vernal crest]

Draw the rest of the damn owl

[fierce vault]

I got my tilesets question answered if that's what you mean. I'll figure out the tmx files stuff later

[unique sigil]

i like that we're saying variants of "this type of mod is easy for me" - person who is said type of mods georg

[brave fable]

in this case the owl is made of lego and we're interested in taking the head and gluing it somewhere else

[dusk mulch]

back

[velvet narwhal]

i'm still waiting on bluebs university of drawing cutscenes

[brave fable]

first you subclass IMinigame. the hard part comes next, because IMinigame doesn't actually contain a single line of code at all

[lusty elm]

People have been asking me to make a mapping tutorial for yeaaars.

[brittle ledge]

I mean you can make complicated NPCs [shoves Wren's schedule shenanigans under the rug] but putting together a basic NPC isn't too terrible, it's just A Lot of Parts

[dusk mulch]

if people read the documentation this chat would be so much less active (i dont count)

[hard fern]

Maps are super fun and easy

:3

[vernal crest]

Stuff like "your NPC won't use CTs until you have given them gift tastes" are the diabolical bits though lol

[brave fable]

maps are very relaxing. the stressful part is thinking about seasonal variation and festival layouts

i don't want to make my tilesheets 4 times

[hard fern]

Oh no i forgot about seasonal variants

[vernal crest]

I have simply pretended seasons don't exist thus far

[fierce vault]

what are CTs??

[brittle ledge]

conversation topics!

[brave fable]

if i ever make a map again i'm going to make you take a plane to get there and it's always going to be snow

[brittle ledge]

hold on a sec

[fierce vault]

ohh

[hard fern]

So lets say i have like, one setup for one season, can i just EditMap myself out of trouble

[vernal crest]

Conversation Topics! Things like the first thing that an NPC ever says to you etc

[brittle ledge]

https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Conversation_Topics this

[brave fable]

no idea what you mean ☀️

[velvet narwhal]

you can just put a seasonoverride iirc

[vernal crest]

What are you trying to do with your EditMap?

[fierce vault]

Thanks, I have heard of those

[brave fable]

as long as your map tilesheets don't start with spring it won't look for any seasonal variants at all
if they do, the game expects spring summer fall winter variants and it'll fail with errors if they're missing

[brittle ledge]

They're lots of fun, I toss a ton into my NPCs

[vernal crest]

Which I adore

[velvet narwhal]

-# we are not the same, i use them as offbrand mailflags

[hard fern]

Like i had (several) plots of spring seasonal crops, and since im using a vanilla tilesheet it's not like i can just use a seasonal version... So i was wondering if i could just editmap those crops to like ex: fall crops

[brave fable]

tbf a conversationtopic really is just a flag by another name, with useful timing behaviour

[unique sigil]

ngl i would LOVE to make a mapping tutorial, but whatever advice ive got so far is specifically catered to my workflow and ive never had any real difficulties comprehending the maps/location wiki pages

[dusk mulch]

thats it! I am going to make a mapping tutorial! Both visual and in text!

[unique sigil]

i feel like those wiki pages are sufficient to me

[fierce vault]

btw, when i finish the house interior, can i only trouble shoot if i make at least a warp edit to on of the vasnilla maps?

[lusty elm]

I'd almost consider that more of a pixelart problem versus a mapping problem, as if you just use base game stuff you shouldn't have to worry about seasonal variation. then again I make naturalistic maps, not NPC/Festival/Event centric maps.

[dusk mulch]

first i have to figure out how to do visual because my computer is a potato...

[vernal crest]

Yeah you definitely could. You're using TileSheets/crops.png right?

[velvet narwhal]

as long as you've loaded / made a data/location, you should be able to debug warp <yourlocation>

[dusk mulch]

nope! you troubleshoot no matter what, you may have put something on the wrong layer or something went wrong, you never know

oh

[hard fern]

Yep

[lusty elm]

to be fair most of the people who've requested a mapping tutorial from me are more about my artistic style and workflow than technical details.

[brave fable]

yeah you've got a very comfortable niche doing farm (and farm building) maps almost exclusively, very little to stress over, all the heart and attention goes into the nature

[brittle ledge]

If you're just trying to check it, you should be able to warp into it with console commands, but I'd do the warp just for convenience.

[lusty elm]

ye, tbh is why i mainly do just that XD

[brave fable]

i have to draw roofs. and fucking. tables and things

what a mistake

[hard fern]

Im avoiding drawing anything by using as many tilesheet resources i can find on nexus

[fierce vault]

Ok, thanks. I'll figure out warp commands later lol

[unique sigil]

okay yeah that makes sense if i may ask since you make really big maps, do you draw your maps one layer at a time or one area at a time (as in focusing on one area, drawing in all layers there, before moving on)?

[lusty elm]

my first mod attempt was making new sprite overhaul for the farmhouse and i crashed hard on it, so now large scale pixelart projects put the fear into my heart.

[brave fable]

oh my god i was drawing bushes when i left off. why do i do this

[unique sigil]

foliage my nemesis

[vernal crest]

If you don't mind that the crops wouldn't be affected by mods that retexture TileSheets/crops you could cut crops.png up into seasonal tilesheets and then make use of the vanilla seasonal tilesheet change mechanic, but if you do want them to be retextured you probably want to use EditMap

[brittle ledge]

if you mean going ahead and setting up your CP code for warps in/out, there's a tutorial for that too! https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Adding_a_Custom_Location_(CP)(1.6)

[lusty elm]

do you want the wall of text option or the short response version?

[unique sigil]

both work

but ill let you know that ill be scared if you say you draw one area at a time

[lusty elm]

Incoming Wall of Text, Sorry.

[hard fern]

Yeah, since im a frequent user of retexutres I'd like them to work just for my sake XD so I'll go with the editmap method

[brittle ledge]

Could also use Arbitrary Tilesheet Access to grab the crops.png I'm pretty sure?

[fierce vault]

Thanks!

[hard fern]

i decided to re-do the map i had been making because i decided i hated it

[brave fable]

yeah that happens a lot

[vernal crest]

Won't work for seasonal changes though because all the crops are on the same tilesheet

[lusty elm]

huh, Discord just converted it into a txt File, I guess that works.

[unique sigil]

this is why i spend what feels like 6 hours sketching and 3 hours drawing the entire map because id cry if i decided i dont like my map at all mid-process

[lusty elm]

^ is a write-up i did for a user when they asked how about my design process and i was in the mood to do a writeup

[vernal crest]

I mean Forsy can (and should) do the EditMap thing with ATA but that won't let them take advantage of the vanilla season change mechanic.

[fierce vault]

bye guys, thanks for the help

[brittle ledge]

oh yeah, if you're trying to swap them out for different seasonal crops, that wouldn't

Pretty sure SVE and ES both just did seasonal patches

[uncut viper]

you could ofc do manual seasonal switches but yeah, no auto-seasonal with ATA bc... well, nothing outside of Maps has seasonal variants

not that auto switch

wont be any spring_crops.png in the tilesheets folder

[unique sigil]

you actually have almost the exact same map drawing process as i do! except i decide where the building positions are in the sketching stage

[vernal crest]

I am so bad at the "avoid straight lines" part

[lusty elm]

I intentionally ignore making space for buildings, so to make people adapt to the map and figure out their own designs

unless you mean like the greenhouse/farmhouse

[unique sigil]

i make my maps for myself 90% of the time so i designed em based on how i want to use the map

something something cook my own food

[lusty elm]

ahh, and I view it as drawing a landscape painting, and just go "They'll figure it out"

[velvet narwhal]

honestly kailey giving me the automapping for leaves was the greatest gift from yoba i could have ever asked for

[vernal crest]

I am making one (1) farm map and it's just for me so every single building has a location planned in advance

[unique sigil]

that but also i do have areas i designate as the animals area, the crops area, etc, so my maps are actually neat, it's just that i make my terrain appear wiggly so it still looks natural

[vernal crest]

I am going to have to learn how to use it, definitely. If only she could make me one for water edges and (perhaps even more importantly) the underwater rocks at water edges.

[lusty elm]

This is also the reason why I'm known for large maps, because I go, "I want more design space to do this here, but it goes off the map" expands the map

[velvet narwhal]

i was honestly gonna beg her for the grass/water one tbh

[unique sigil]

i felt that water edge underwater rocks, took ages for me to figure out how to use the ones from the 1.6 tilesheet

i could whip up a .tmx for that real quick, but i dont know how to integrate it with automapping

all this conversation makes me want to make a map

[dusk mulch]

yall stop because i have to make a map soon(there is a super annoying bug in one of them i cant figure out)

[brave fable]

you have a tilesheet directory climbing issue 😌

[lusty elm]

Oh and a shortcut that I use, That apparently not a lot of people know about is the randomization (shortcut D Key) in Tiled, it picks a random tile from the selected, and when i say selected i mean any selection, if you select 6 grass tiles (same tile 6x), 3 tiny plant (same tile 3x), and 1 bunch of flowers, it will random 60% grass, 30% tiny plant, 10% bunch of flowers, as you click around, or paintbucket/fill.
its a great way to get a good area filled up and started, then go over it again for modification and detailing.

[dusk mulch]

NO I DONT

THAT WAS JUST FOR A MEME

[uncut viper]

last time i tried using the randomization thing in Tiled i didnt realize i also accidentally selected one invisible tile
drove me fucking nuts trying to find out why i was running into random invisible walls

[lusty elm]

I learned pretty much exclusively off Documentation, and from Mouse.

[unique sigil]

i refuse to use randomization most of the time because it makes my maps look distractingly busy

so i uh,,, still place flowers and grass deco manually

[lusty elm]

Then you modify the ratios of the cluster for randomization

but then again, i dont mind manual placement for smaller maps, but when i lean back and look at a 150x200 or 200x200 monster, I go nah, Rando time, then go over and modify it.

[dusk mulch]

fair enough i would too

[unique sigil]

fair enough, you make really big maps

mine average 100 x 75, so it's manageable

[dusk mulch]

how do you know i do

my biggest map atm is 60x32

[lusty elm]

That was aimed at me, My maps are.... Very Large

[dusk mulch]

oh

[dusk mulch]

what can you even use a 200x200 map for?!

[unique sigil]

draylon you can be the Massive (Farm) Maps Georg (i still maintain that the original farm maps georg is daisyniko tbh)

[vernal crest]

Monocropping /j

[lusty elm]

Farming \o/ and Multiplayer. (this one is only 200x150, but has 8 sub-maps)

[velvet narwhal]

my miserable ass did the 60x60 exterior and i never want to see a grass tile ever again, i am gladly paying you

[lusty elm]

Thats fair, Niko's maps are very pretty and very approachable. :3

[naive wyvern]

I did a bunch of custom grass tiles recently for my bendy pathways and maaaaaan it was a PAIN

But super worth it 😔

[dusk mulch]

m-m-maassive?

[lusty elm]

Pretty sure I hold the Record for the Largest Farm at 65,000 farmable tiles. (Standard Farm is 3,500)

[naive wyvern]

Thats huge draylon

Mad respect

[vernal crest]

When I play, I allow myself one barn, one coop, and one 3x3 patch (1 tile for sprinkler) of soil for each crop in a season (with zero crop-adding mods unless the crop is from an expansion or something), plus one small tree farm. I would live on about a quarter of one of Draylon's maps lol

[dusk mulch]

can i try to beat that :3

[lusty elm]

To be fair its also the map I care the least about, because its just a massive open space, 3x. its fairly boring, also i think its technically broken right now? according to some user reports.... I should go fix it.

[lusty elm]

Go ahead, Its not like that "record" means anything to me :p.

just know that you're going to need at minimum 2 maps bigger than the one i linked above.

[dusk mulch]

can you send the map to me :3333333

for...

refrence...

[brittle ledge]

you could probably download it off nexus?

[lusty elm]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/8225?tab=description

[dusk mulch]

oh

[lusty elm]

like i said, its fairly boring. its just "Big Space"

[dusk mulch]

yall how do i get a mod like this 😭

[vernal crest]

Definitely do not just take Draylon's map and make it bigger though, that would be uncool

[brittle ledge]

anyway dw Draylon, you'll always be known for your big maps even if other people make huge maps

[dusk mulch]

ik i wasnt going to, i dont wana do the record anyway

it was just a silly joke

[lusty elm]

I think i'm half known for big maps, and half for my naturalistic designs tbh.

[lucid iron]

cliff

[lusty elm]

oh yeah, that too

[brittle ledge]

well, to start, you stop relying on external validation as a standard and focus on making mods that make you happy instead

[dusk mulch]

you broke me

[brittle ledge]

I say that genuinely because it's a difficult thing to learn

[dusk mulch]

i feel very targeted

[vernal crest]

It's because you keep saying very worrying things, Person

[dusk mulch]

oh yeah?! like what?

[lucid iron]

even now i still worry about external validation a little

i think my brain is just broken in this way

[lusty elm]

Make a Recolor, Massive expansion mod, new Sprite Art for something (farm animals, npcs, buildings, etc.), Maybe new NPCs? Those are the most numerically popular.

[brave fable]

take my advice: you do not want a mod like this 🔥

alternatively just add Witchy to the title. people love that shit

[dusk mulch]

why

[lusty elm]

Actually yeah, If you make a massive mod, lets just say the upkeep is INSANE

[dusk mulch]

ohhhh

[brittle ledge]

like I said, it's a difficult thing! I have the advantage of having done (largely unpopular) creative stuff for literal decades so I genuinely don't care about external validation anymore

[lucid mulch]

tbh after going on the profiler crusade, im scared of big maps

[uncut viper]

i like download numbers but i am not solely motivated by download numbers

[brave fable]

please go to nexusmods dotcom stardewvalley 6830 and look at the bug reports page

[velvet narwhal]

i work everyday because i wanna see my creations yap at me

[brave fable]

3 million downloads roughly equals 1 million bug reports

[lusty elm]

I get half a dozen pings a day from Stardew Aquarium, and I just did the outdoor map and Aquarium Building Exterior. I may have abandoned Gervig and others to mod management of that.

[dusk mulch]

Too hard (and im not good at sprites/colors), My computer is a potato and I am already in a big project, I cant do sprites, maybe a new npc.

[lucid mulch]

my 1.6 loadout intentionally does not have Dam anymore specifically because its large maps with timechanged edits that didn't add enough value to justify the performance hit

[vernal crest]

Like the thing about pulling an all nighter because it's worth hurting yourself for the "community", focusing repeatedly on getting popular ideas rather than enjoying yourself, immediately trying to jump on anything that you think might be a quick and easy win, etc

[lucid iron]

you left them to the fishes

[lucid iron]

ultimately tho u gotta like

make a mod u will use in game

[dusk mulch]

i am using 2 of my mods in game already

[lucid iron]

putting aside the fact that no one plays game here

[lusty elm]

Framework for boing beyond 200x200 when?!?!?

[brittle pasture]

boing?

[gentle rose]

you make a framework used by a massive amount of super popular expansions and maintain it for years 😅 why are you comparing yourself to farm type manager

[dusk mulch]

HOW DID YOU TRACK DOWN FTM THROUGH THE STATS

[brave fable]

framework for transpiling every existing draw layerdepth call

yeees

[lucid iron]

nou

[brittle pasture]

oh it's going
that wasnt a joke I was legitimately stupid

[dusk mulch]

boing

[vernal crest]

I struggle a lot with feeling bad about myself if I don't get external validation that what I produce is "good enough" and that's even though I mod for my own enjoyment (and I do fight against it). I worry that if you encourage yourself to focus on the validation part you will just set yourself up for never actually feeling good about anything you do.

[brave fable]

that wasn't very uogra of you

[gentle rose]

it’s one of the most popular frameworks lmao, I literally just had to sort nexus by endorsements

[lucid mulch]

if you want max lag, dont forget to fill it up with hundreds of layers, and do map edits that have a source file with all of the layers.
and then to trigger the bomb, a timechanged to change a map property to a random value

[lusty elm]

I actually made it a goal at one point to make FTM a core Framework when I found out that it wasn't cuz it had under 100 mods relying on it (By making more of my mods use it). I'm super happy its a core mod now.

[gentle rose]

I can think of other ways to add even more lag

[brittle ledge]

Yeah it's kind of nice that FTM didn't get et by CP and now has a chance to shine

[velvet narwhal]

how laggy is nic cage vs the world

[gentle rose]

C# can do magical things, but lacking that, I’m sure you can put something together with BETAS and possibly custom companions

not at all

[dusk mulch]

this feels like something a parent would say... and its nice

[unique sigil]

idea: what mod setup generates the maximum amount of lag, while still being functional (i.e. no excessive stuttering and freezes)

i think we can design expert this shit. optimal lag amounts

[brave fable]

you really can't go wrong with good ol' OnUpdateTicked => new Texture2D(Game1.graphics.GraphicsDevice, new Color[Game1.Random.Next(int.Max)]);

[gentle rose]

you’d think it would be laggier given the number of errors it continuously logs

[dusk mulch]

just make a ton of warps to random locations maybe?

[brittle ledge]

No! More Lag!

[lucid mulch]

Fun fact, if you InvalidateCache a Texture2D from the asset pipeline it wont actually remove it from the cache, because it will try to do an in-place edit instead.

[lusty elm]

I mean If I really wanted to, I could just make a 12 map deep cave system with interconnected warps all 200x200 of course, with conditional loads so it changes every day so its like a maze to explore, then i'm going to add a warp to the Mountain and the Forest so its accessible anywhere, I'm sure that wont break anything right?

[lucid mulch]

so if you want to do memory leaks have dynamic asset names that will resolve to a texture2d

[dusk mulch]

does this mean i should leave the big hogwarts team im working with for a mod? i dont intend to play it and its alot of work and i dont enjoy working on it tbh

[lucid mulch]

you dont need conditional loads, you just need a random map property edit

[dusk mulch]

WAIT WAIT

CONDITIONAL LOADS ARE A THING?!

[lusty elm]

yes.

[brave fable]

sure, just have several Load actions with mutually exclusive When properties

[dusk mulch]

[lucid mulch]

(and dont forget to make sure one actually loads or bad things happens)

[brave fable]

they do need to be exclusive though, since without allowing multiple loads on the same asset specifically, it'll collide and fail

[dusk mulch]

in that case i will remove the extension to the Shop in The Woods and keep it small (not related to conditional loads)

[lucid mulch]

(and if its a Character sprite or map, make sure it has a load that does not depend on save state or you will blow up farmhands joining)

[lusty elm]

oh I typed conditional loads, i meant conditional patches... to all 12 maps, to generate the maps and make them look random.

[brittle ledge]

If you don't enjoy working on it then yes, you should leave it's a hobby, not a job

[brave fable]

i mean if you're getting paid

jobby

[gentle rose]

or enjoy being hunted down by us when we have to debug it in support! each mod author’s call ig 😇

[lusty elm]

NGL that actually sounds kinda cool, but i'd have to scale it back to make it actually explorable/reasonable.

[dusk mulch]

im not, i had to do 2 days of research and 500 lines of code for 1 file and that was 1/4 tasks done

[lucid mulch]

CP does expose priority to cp loads these days and is possible to avoid the exclusive collision

[gentle rose]

every time you do something in a mod you plan to publish, imagine the support volunteers staring at you while holding a bat /lh

[dusk mulch]

since when did this chat turn into a therapists office

[brave fable]

hey, i'm the one that mentioned allowing multiple loads, you just said bad things would happen

[lusty elm]

its always been one, but we have all been treated already.

[dusk mulch]

is this supposed to encourage me to leave or discourage me, i cant tell

[lucid mulch]

the bad things happen is when none try to load

[gentle rose]

this is unrelated

[dusk mulch]

hm.

[brave fable]

oh i see, in my mind mutally-exclusive meant that only one would always load

not one at most

[gentle rose]

I’m talking about the conditional loads thing

[dusk mulch]

ohhh

[gentle rose]

but ngl it’s a good rule in general

[uncut viper]

no offense to any support volunteers but i would literally stare any of you down none of you scare me

[brave fable]

i have literally never thought of the support volunteers in my life.

[lusty elm]

^

[lucid mulch]

People are lucky I don't actually play anymore, because its usually me hunting down mods that dont have multiplayer support (usually for dumb reasons)

[uncut viper]

i think the only person who posts in tech support that could intimidate me is Pathos but i dont think he ever would (but thats why it would be intimidating if he did)

[dusk mulch]

so essentially, i should stop making mods for the community, but for myself?

[uncut viper]

yes

[lusty elm]

If you poke me, with a reasonable small request, or bug, I'll probably help.... if i'm in a modding mood.

[lucid mulch]

always should have

[lusty elm]

100% the thing I dislike the most about making mods is upkeep.

[dusk mulch]

well in that case i wish the farm cave had more to it

[gentle rose]

(nobody is required to offer support for their mods or anyone else btw, I am 99% joking and 1% asking people not to do overly stupid things)

[brave fable]

this channel is the community centre you give back to, and what you give back is the knowledge you gained when making your own mods

or npc portrait pics. whichever

[vernal crest]

I can't answer this dispassionately because I'm trans, sorry

[lucid mulch]

collecting battlescars is the only way to improve as a dev

[dusk mulch]

why? what does hogwarts have to do with trans people? (i may be out of the loop)

[brittle ledge]

JKR's a huge bigot

[dusk mulch]

Oh-

[brittle ledge]

anyway my most popular mod is me going "there aren't enough talking cats in this game, I want more so I'mma fix that"

[lusty elm]

Let me ask you this then, why ARE you doing it then? because you said you would? is it out of obligation? the hope it will make your name big? that you'll get recognition?

[brittle ledge]

the popularity is incidental, I just want more talking animals dammit

[gentle rose]

tbf I was surprised people actually listened when she started saying that stuff because for some reason nobody seemed aware of the super messed up things she’s said until that point 😭

I’m glad people ended up realising eventually though

[lusty elm]

I'm not even sure what my most popular mod is... probably Everfarm? goes to look

[velvet narwhal]

[vernal crest]

I am sorry it took me until the transphobia to understand the rest of it (in the books, I didn't know about anything she did in her life until it was thrown in my face everywhere all the time) I try to do better now

[velvet narwhal]

in all fairness i found out that the 99 portrait limitation was removed--

[brittle ledge]

(do I have another talking animal NPC on my list to do? yes, yes I do)

[uncut viper]

is that your contribution to the community center

[brave fable]

mine's 5 parsnips. you all can do the rest

[velvet narwhal]

(and breaking cp with localtokens with your help)

[gentle rose]

I have contributed the nic cage and boncher are everything mods and I think that’s a contribution on par with SMAPI itself

[uncut viper]

to be fair to you that was all you doing the breaking, i was the one going "well the docs say it shouldnt happen so i guess you broke it"

[lusty elm]

Yeah, Everfarm (12.8k) Barely Beats out me just Putting up Maleha's Waterfalls (11.3k) as a standalone tilesheet to be accessed, Followed by Dirt to Grass (9.5k)

[brave fable]

all that's left now is to make the official JMAPI merge request...

[uncut viper]

javascript smapi?

SMAPI.js, now on npm

[brave fable]

j-club modding api, hopefully

[uncut viper]

i knew iro would appreciate it

[gentle rose]

sounds like something npm would do. it depends on leftpad

[dusk mulch]

Well I left the project, now to just... play the game.

[lucid mulch]

I actually did try to do javascript smapi mods, but the DLR implementations exposing a js runtime sucked and gave up and found a lua one instead

[gentle rose]

I think legally you aren’t allowed to create javascript implementations that don’t suck

[lusty elm]

I should do another one of these maps before I go to bed >.> Got about an hour.

[rancid musk]

So. I am happy with this screenshot, but this will make no sense to anyone because it just looks like the vanilla options menu.

[lucid mulch]

well the problem was more there were no actual DLR implementations and were more different userland ones, but I wanted the DLR guarentees

[rancid musk]

(But that is actually a reimplementation of GameMenu that, hopefully, sucks less.)

[dusk mulch]

btw you are really good at whatever this is

[gentle rose]

wait you actually ended up doing that?

[velvet narwhal]

one that doesn't lag the game?

[rancid musk]

That's the idea.

[lucid mulch]

doing that with mod compat seems like hell

[rancid musk]

Menu pages only instantiated when you try to use them. Not constantly recreating the menu because someone sneezed in a nearby country.

[brave fable]

i have a question. and it's about all the mods that edit gamemenu

1. what

[rancid musk]

My answer to that is:

1. uh

[brittle ledge]

khloe out here making Better No More Lag

[rigid musk]

Good

Be happy :)

[gentle rose]

okay but can you make it so that opening the map via M and via the tab does the same thing in both cases

[brittle ledge]

hi Lily, congrats on your release if I didn't say so already, and congrats on hotmodding!

[gentle rose]

/hj

[uncut viper]

this really did a number on you huh

[gentle rose]

traumatised

[rigid musk]

Yeah I chose not to participate in that mod because .. all of that as well

[rancid musk]

But mostly the answer is:

1. Trying to make as robust an API as I can so people can just register new tabs and stuff without needing to patch things.
2. Actively detect mods that are patching GameMenu so there's a record in logs and I can... do stuff with that information I guess.
3. Start working with other mod devs, doing PRs, etc.

[rigid musk]

Thank you! I'm really so happy that people like it

[brittle ledge]

Now that I finally tested my mod and am ready to release, I can go actually make my new modlist and I'mma include that

[lucid mulch]

SpaceCore replacing the skill menu would be Mod compat #1 I would look into, followed by uiinfosuite and friends

[brittle ledge]

all the NPCs

[rigid musk]

In relation to that, @dusk mulch, I do want people to download my mods, of course I do, but if you constantly compare yourself to mods that have been around for years, framework mods, or just anyone, you're going to be so ... so sad? It's never a good feeling. You make something because you WANT to make it, because you have a passion for it, not because other people want it and will download it.

I know I made jokes about being sad if people didn't download my mod but I don't really mean it, I would make it again because I loved doing it and learning everything I did (cough and because I love qi cough) the downloads are a bonus

[brave fable]

so is this just a rewrite of the gamemenu container itself, or all pages contained inside?

[uncut viper]

an entirely reconstructed gamemenu will just completely shatter Special Power Utilities, so theres that too i guess

[velvet narwhal]

i was just about to ask where you were

[rigid musk]

Also something that helped me with the perspective of downloads is that, instead of looking at the number in comparison to large ones, i pretend I have to make a speech to that many people. 50 downloads? 50 people in a room i have to present to, oh no, oh my God

[rancid musk]

Just GameMenu itself. The pages are largely fine, I think.

[brittle ledge]

and tbh the passion you put into that mod draws people in

[rancid musk]

It's the container that's stupid.

[uncut viper]

(SPU waits for GameMenu to be created and then looks for the also-initialized PowersTab and then replaces it)

[rigid musk]

100 downloads is even crazier because oh god that's so many people in a room :( help
When you get into the multiple hundreds? The thousands?? God save me and my soul 🙏

[dusk mulch]

Wait so I can make a mod for the community, but just as long as I don't care about the downloads?

[rancid musk]

I'm thinking with the API you'd probably just be like ```cs
api.UnregisterTab("Powers");
api.RegisterTab("Powers", blah blah blah whatever data format here);

[naive wyvern]

Tbh lily i find your affection for mr. Qi very endearing, and inspiring

[brave fable]

do whatever you want man, live your life

[rigid musk]

You can look at them and be proud when you get a lot, but you should make them for you rather than other people

[lucid iron]

you only need a 10x10 map to fit 100 people

[brave fable]

if you try and do everything though you'll melt

[rancid musk]

Just straight up yeet the vanilla page and register your own so the vanilla page is never instanced in the first place.

[lucid iron]

12x12 144 if u want to wall them in

[rancid musk]

Same thing Better Crafting does, and that'll be my test case.

Might want to set up an "Alternate Provider" registration for tabs honestly.

[brave fable]

so you've chosen to cause love of cooking problems, eh

[rancid musk]

So that users can pick which one they want if multiple mods replace a tab.

[rigid musk]

Obviously you can make them as you please, you're your own person, Person (tee hee) but .. if you're not having fun, if you feel stressed over those numbers and community opinion.. try to think about what you want instead

[rancid musk]

blueberry you know darn well you can't cook from GameMenu 😛

[brittle ledge]

yeah instead of saying "oh I only have 1000 downloads on this mod" it's "holy shit a whole thousand people downloaded my mod!"

[dusk mulch]

people tell me to look out for other people now this? /hj

[uncut viper]

if its something i can change on the fly (as it can be disabled via config) and would keep the same order even when i unregister and reregister a bunch then its not the worst i spose

[rigid musk]

Oh my God

[gentle rose]

12 by 12 with the middle being a 10 by 10 pool, no ladder

[brave fable]

i'll have you know sometime in 2021 i had a small frying pan button on the gamemenu.

it lasted 1 day

[rigid musk]

thank you! I don't know why i like that blue man but I do

He's my favorite

[rigid musk]

Sims

[gentle rose]

yeah

[rigid musk]

You should look out for other people in the sense of being respectful of their feelings when they make things, but not when it comes to your own work

[rigid musk]

Exactly! Any time any of my mods breaks over 100 dls I feel heavily impressed with myself

[dusk mulch]

lord this whole feelings thing hurts my brain

[rigid musk]

I don't post things expecting downloads, I post them hoping people will like something I loved to make

And if they don't well.. ptooey on them

[gentle rose]

don’t you have like 35k UDL btw

[naive wyvern]

You deserve to bask in funny blue man content
Its cool you cooked your own food so to speak, definitely the epitome of "be the change you want to see"

And all your hard work paid off! Love that for you, i hope you enjoy your trip soon

[gentle rose]

that’s a whole lot of being impressed with yourself (deservedly)

[brave fable]

i post things out of raw masochism. bug reports light a fire in my heart

nothing else compares 😌

[gentle rose]

wouldn’t that be sadomasochism

[rigid musk]

[brave fable]

i'm not sure i've never really used S&MAPI

[naive wyvern]

Hell yeah, well deserved

[rancid musk]

I have thought about putting a button into Better Crafting to flip it into cooking mode / back, but I concluded that doing that would make a Cookout Kit completely meaningless so I haven't.

[rigid musk]

I think the majority of those are from the berry woods mod i made which is actually heartwarming to see

[brittle ledge]

my most unpopular mod

what is that mod, you ask? A shitpost.

[velvet narwhal]

i refuse to look at my shitpost(s)

[gentle rose]

I have one that’s less popular than that but it was always intended to only be needed by some people haha

[lucid mulch]

I can beat you at 117/135

[rigid musk]

My most unpopular one is when I chose to make gil and Morris into terrible animated furniture using custom furniture

[brave fable]

ah yeah i made a whole bbq grill craftable before i heard that the cookout kit exists
classic cookout kit

[rancid musk]

I mean a grill craftable could be nice.

The Cookout Kit generally despawns during the night.

I have an optional patch to prevent that in Better Crafting.

[brave fable]

it does, but that's what the game balance was made around, so i decided i'd avoid it

[gentle rose]

wait when did pet renamer get that many downloads

[rigid musk]

I thought of that honestly, if qi was real I wonder if he'd be proud 😌 I saw a star and i reached for it blue man are you proud of me did I do good

[rancid musk]

But users might like a proper grill for a more permanent setup in their farm for outdoor cooking.

[gentle rose]

last I remember it was barely clearing 100

[rancid musk]

You could just make it so your furnishing can't be placed outside of buildable locations I guess if game balance is a concern?

[vernal crest]

That's more than a hundred more than my most popular mod xD I am getting a lot of practice in living what I preach lol

[brave fable]

maybe i'll bring it back as a heart reward in a different mod, or level 10 cooking skill or something

[rigid musk]

There's a mod that let's you rename your pets?

[rancid musk]

So people would still need a cookout kit if they're in the middle of the woods somewhere or such

[gentle rose]

first one I published

[brittle ledge]

multiplayer mod? You're a brave soul

[rigid musk]

Mm grill that works as a cookout kit...

[brave fable]

oooh that's good actually. placement restrictions.

very balance

[rancid musk]

Heck it could be a building.

[uncut viper]

my least downloaded mod has 0 downloads

[brittle ledge]

that's gonna change so hard when you release Hiria

[uncut viper]

its not published but its there

[rancid musk]

Have robin build you a nice brick outdoor kitchen.

[lucid mulch]

I exclusively play stardew in multiplayer.
(modding does not count as playing)

[brave fable]

well now we're into the classic conundrum of 'i have this fantastic QOL thing, i want it locked behind a gameplay barrier, but also this would sell hotcakes as its own mod'

[gentle rose]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/30108 @rigid musk

[uncut viper]

another person who only plays multiplayer! 🤝

[brave fable]

like who isn't going to download Functional Picnic BBQ Grill Pit Area For the Farm (It's Buildable)

[rancid musk]

I also only play multiplayer

[brave fable]

or bfgfgbkjbkkhjkk(ibb) for short

[rigid musk]

Im gonna put it on The Spreadsheet TM

[brittle ledge]

how do you people find people to play with consistently

[uncut viper]

in an ideal world every modder would exclusively play multiplayer bc then maybe more people would give a damn about multiplayer compatibility /lh

[velvet narwhal]

they have so's that love them

[rigid musk]

Right???

[uncut viper]

step 1 is to date them

there is no step 2

[brave fable]

high barrier of entry there button

[uncut viper]

thank you

[brave fable]

valentines day's been and gone

[gentle rose]

this is like those tutorials that say “draw a circle. fill in the details”

[uncut viper]

i appreciate it

[brittle ledge]

draw the rest of the fucking owl

[vernal crest]

But I need a step 2 my wife refuses to play with me

[unique sigil]

i feel like you're going to make ME like the blue man as much as you do bc ngl, your mod tempted me to make a save where i marry mr. qi

[gentle rose]

draw a cabbage. make it red

[uncut viper]

make a custom NPC after her

[rigid musk]

Do it, I think his pet name for the farmer is endearing (says the person who made like six options because i felt they all fit)

You also get Indigo in your house

[brittle ledge]

also my unpopular mod is almost three and a half years old at this point so y'all still got a leg up on me

[rigid musk]

You want indigo in your house don't you?

[brave fable]

my newest mod is almost three and a half years old at this point

[velvet narwhal]

the snek? yes, good art, good snek

[unique sigil]

[gentle rose]

can I have her as a roommate directly instead

[unique sigil]

i like snek

[gentle rose]

forget qi, I just want to chill with indigo

[shut edge]

anyone know if there's some mods that have like, animal upgrades as a feature? like chocobo breeding type stuff or something?

[rigid musk]

200 dollars and ill make an extension mod where you can kidnap his pet snake /silly

[brittle ledge]

The chocobo mod might be what you're looking for?

[uncut viper]

by the way can we all stop being pink please its really ruined my ability to differentiate people at a glance again. at least with halloween people chose from like 8 different colours

[gentle rose]

300 dollars and I make a mod that changes every texture in the game into indigo’s portrait

[shut edge]

it seems to not actually have that

[uncut viper]

i would like to remain pink though thank you

[shut edge]

first place i looked, lol

[brittle ledge]

It does higher tier eggs from happy chocobos if that's what you're thinking of?

[shut edge]

oh it does do that? hm

description was unclear i guess

thanks, i'll look again

[gentle rose]

what is a chocobo

[brittle ledge]

how much to make the snake talk

[shut edge]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/22226

[uncut viper]

(final fantasy)

[brittle ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/chocobo-mystery-dungeon-everybuddy-final-fantasy-fables-swing-gif-397735578860205548

[brave fable]

chocobos look a lot like this:

[vernal crest]

I'm always surprised when they're not chocolate

[gentle rose]

cute

[rigid musk]

300 dollars and ill turn her into an additional full npc B)

[gentle rose]

why does this sound like a threat

[lucid iron]

consider

[uncut viper]

infinisnake still peak

[rigid musk]

Oh no, indigo got into the infinite grow juice again...

[brittle ledge]

requesting Worm Time compatibility

[lucid iron]

hm i forgor to fix up snek draws to have the connecting segment

[lusty elm]

Fall Greenhouse Done before bed, time 56 Minutes

oh wait, no i missed the river shading, add like 1 minute

[woeful lintel]

I went through the list of mods requiring FF to lookup who I should message about testing the new version, and it's surprising how many Chinese Furniture Pack creators there are, I'm glad my mod can reach this far!

[brave fable]

1 minute it takes me 1 minute to find the right tile

[lusty elm]

I also forgot to do basic debris in the river/lake so 4 minutes.

[brave fable]

where's the trees for those leaves draylon you telling me those are flying leaves

[lusty elm]

Technically yeah, in my mind they are attached to the wall.

I'm also intentionally designing them in a way that i can reuse them for a farm map with minor edits.

[brave fable]

ahh the four seasons. spring, summer, autumn, and

[royal stump]

light mode made me think the last one was done & just full of snow

[dusk mulch]

You know what, Since I should be making mods to make myself happy, I have been wanting toi do this for a while. I will turn myself into an NPC.

(not like i already am lol /j)

but i will start tommorow as it is late for me

[rigid musk]

:D

that's great I hope you have a good time doing it

@uncut viper Do you think the qi gem display mod would work on Android? I would have to wager a guess not right?

[uncut viper]

i have absolutely no idea

[rigid musk]

I'm thinking about uploading an optional file for android users that gets rid of the Item Extensions dependency so they can use it since ive had a few people who seem to want that and its not that big of a deal

and then i was thinking about that

although I just know if I do that and also remove your mod as a dependency for them if it doesnt work, they are gonna comment 'ThE qI gEms KEep REsEttIng To ZERo'

[naive wyvern]

You dont have to do compat for every platform to be fair
Its a nice gesture but android smapi is a hellscape on its own 😔

[rigid musk]

Oh I know I know, but it seemed from the comments that the only thing stopping them from using it (even if there were a few bugs) was Item Extensions

which the literal only reason that is a dependency is because I wanted the Gem Weapons to be an upgrade of the Infinity ones

so theyd trade in the weapons AND the qi gems...and item extensions was theo nly way to do that

[naive wyvern]

Then removing IE dependency would take away some chunk of the stuff you put in no? I personally think its not worth removing a portion of what you worked on that seems integral to the gameplay loop you designed (trading weapons and qi gems)

But if you still want to try, maybe you can try testing your mod without IE on mobile

And then from there see if its worth it

[rigid musk]

Oh it would only be a switch of 'now android users get to buy gem weapons for twice the qi gems' or whatever

not really removing too much :) theyd still get to enjoy a majority of what I had in there, just not the intended way to get the wapons

I don't play modded on android... or stardew on android

its a nightmare and i hate it

i know its the only option for some people though so i dont blame them for trying

[naive wyvern]

Thats smart, might be a bit of pain for grinding though (if i were to play it xD)
Thats very thoughtful of you though

[rigid musk]

<:] get in that grind set mind set

the qi gem crop regrows at least!

just fill your ginger island with qi gem crops... ez pz

[naive wyvern]

Thats true, then if you think youve covered your bases then i think you should go for it

But if you need buttons gem counter then that might be the problem youll run into in the future

[rigid musk]

you also dont need that either

It LOOKs like the counter resets

because its not big enough to fit the big numbers

it doesnt actually reset though, the number just doesnt fit on the screen

[naive wyvern]

Ah in that case, put that in bold text for android users

[rigid musk]

I can't wait for them not to read it

[naive wyvern]

If someone makes a bug report or complains about it then thats no longer your problem

[rigid musk]

my response will be "Do you want to play this on android? You do? Then deal with it"

[naive wyvern]

Ncjdisks
Redirect to big bolded text

Close bug report

I think you got what you need then Lily

[rigid musk]

I will do this when I return next week from my trip and am probably horrifically sick with the flu that everyone in my family apparently now has

or i could do it now while im waiting for my alarm to get up for said trip to go off

[naive wyvern]

Try drinking vitamin c before you get it

[rigid musk]

I recently got a flu shot and stuff so I should be relatively fine

But im also immunocompromised so

[naive wyvern]

Ah
Then orange juice it is

[rigid musk]

i do love me some orange juice...

[naive wyvern]

You get a tasty drink AND vitamin c, whats not to like

[naive wyvern]

If its as simple as a few code block switches here and there like you explained then hopefully its quick and easy to finish before the alarm goes off

And then you can just publish it when you get back from vacation
Or you wait a bit more so you can bundle it with the cutscene idea you had

[rigid musk]

alarm goes off in 15 minutes, all i have to do is change the shop and remove the two dependencies... which would take like 3 minutes

Oh that cutscene is going to take me so long

I hate events

correction, i hate non simple events

anything more complex than characters walking around and talking

[naive wyvern]

Ah thats fair

Ive yet to try and write an event (i havent gotten my NPCs ingame yet, im still making the maps 😔)

[rigid musk]

and yet the concept of riding in Qi's airplane during a romance scene sounds so nice...
but moving airplane...

[naive wyvern]

You can figure that out when you get back from ur trip

[rigid musk]

I might make another NPC (with significantly less content because I really did go overboard with Qi... 22/23 events is crazy not to mention the insane amount of alternate versions i did for them)

I intend on making this apple mod with a bunch of species of apples, and i think it would be so cute to make it so that you get them from a little apple orchard and there's an npc there

and I could use central station for it too

[naive wyvern]

Thats adorable !

You have a design for the npc yet?

[rigid musk]

Not yet no I don't actually know what I want them to look like

I think I might commission someone to make the sprites and portraits

[naive wyvern]

I imagined a look for the npc just now actually chshxja

[rigid musk]

[naive wyvern]

Okay lemme get off bed and doodle for you

[rigid musk]

OH YOU DONT HAVE TO

WOUAHFDSHJK

[naive wyvern]

Hush

Idk how to describe the vision chdhdja

[latent mauve]

I finally got all the sprites except my optional characters and Wolf Link sorted for the front-facing designs

[naive wyvern]

Congrats lily !!!