making-mods-general

[cyan marsh]

is everyone having a good valentine's day?

my day started out great.. i was in the hospital for a possible heart attack XD

[acoustic summit]

om, are you doing better/recovering?

[cyan marsh]

I am fine.. happily it was just stress and gas x3

they said my Glucose was high at 262, but that's a VAST improvement from before... it used to be 389 so I've been making strides to improve that

let me bounce somthing off you all.. i am saving coordinates to a text file.. but i want to make it less effort for people

for now, you add coordinates and then tell it to save

[hallow prism]

my day is going well, i'm not in the hospital and i managed to do chores (plural)

[cyan marsh]

but i want to put it all into one text file that increases in size as you add them

I could, when a coord is supposed to be added, open the file and load them into the list before adding the new one

then.. save the list to text after

        public void GetCoordinates()
        {
            LoadData();
            string rawLocation = Game1.player.currentLocation.ToString();
            string mapLocation = rawLocation.Substring(rawLocation.LastIndexOf('.') + 1);
            int mapCoordX = (int)Game1.player.Tile.X;
            int mapCoordY = (int)Game1.player.Tile.Y;
            int mapCoordF = Game1.player.getFacingDirection();
            string locationdata = $"{mapLocation} {mapCoordX} {mapCoordY} {mapCoordF}";
            coords.Add(locationdata);
            Monitor.Log($"{locationdata} added!", LogLevel.Debug);
            SaveData();
        }
        public void SaveData()
        {
            string path = Path.Combine(Environment.CurrentDirectory, "ExtractedData", "Coordinates", "MapCoordinates.txt");
            File.WriteAllLines(path, coords);
            coords.Clear();
        }
        public void LoadData()
        {
            string path = Path.Combine(Environment.CurrentDirectory, "ExtractedData", "Coordinates", "MapCoordinates.txt");
            coords.AddRange(File.ReadAllLines(path));
        }
``` This should do

and a simple text file is made 😄

filled with the mapcoordinates you need to make your shedules

that game location tho... hmm

odd.. backwoods comes out as GameLocation

[brittle ledge]

is this for NPC schedules? because you can't path into Backwoods

[cyan marsh]

that's true...

though I need to find why it's not saying Backwoods

then i can filter it out

            string rawLocation = Game1.player.currentLocation.ToString();
            string mapLocation = rawLocation.Substring(rawLocation.LastIndexOf('.') + 1);
``` this is how I'm getting the map location

might be antiquated

[teal bridge]

Are you trying to get a name, or a coordinate?

[cyan marsh]

I need the map name.. everything else is good

[calm nebula]

You're getting the type name

Use location.Name

Or, frankly

Look at the keys in data/locations

[cyan marsh]

i am getting the current position of the farmer

[teal bridge]

GameLocation.Name can be a little weird for certain "inner" locations (buildings, mine floors, etc.) but for basic stuff it's fine.

Definitely don't use the ToString method.

There's also DisplayName, NameOrUniqueName and so on. I'd experiment to see which one gives you what you really want.

[tiny zealot]

GameLocation.NameOrUniqueName i believe is intended to deal with weird instanced locations

[cyan marsh]

that isn't even a thing apparently

[tiny zealot]

please update your decompile

        [XmlIgnore]
        public string NameOrUniqueName
        {
            get
            {
                if (this.uniqueName.Value != null)
                {
                    return this.uniqueName.Value;
                }
                return this.name.Value;
            }
        }```

[cyan marsh]

no idea what your getting at with that

wait..

[tribal ore]

Valentines day going well so far. Finished testing an event. Just 3 left to write and 5 left to test xD

[cyan marsh]

pls say update VS if that is what you meant.. I am a simple girl ❤️

[lucid iron]

!decompile

[ocean sail]

If you want to make SMAPI mods with C#, one important resource is decompiling the game to read the game code. Here's how to do it: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/Get_Started#How_do_I_decompile_the_game_code.3F

To use this command, type !decompile.

[tiny zealot]

!decompile i mean this. you are looking at outdated source code if you don't have NameOrUniqueName

[ocean sail]

If you want to make SMAPI mods with C#, one important resource is decompiling the game to read the game code. Here's how to do it: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/Get_Started#How_do_I_decompile_the_game_code.3F

To use this command, type !decompile.

[cyan marsh]

<.< im not looking at source code

[lucid iron]

Tbh if you just did location.NameOrUniqueName it'd probably show up in intellisense right

[cyan marsh]

i typed the thing out in my code and got nothing

[lucid iron]

It's a instance prop

[cyan marsh]

well it wasn't liking it

[ivory plume]

(GameLocation.NameOrUniqueName is an instance property, so you'd type something like Game1.currentLocation.NameOrUniqueName in code.)

[cyan marsh]

see that's the missing peice XD

happy V-day Pathos, I almost had a heart attack today 😄

[ivory plume]

Oh no. Hope the rest of your day goes better!

[latent mauve]

I would love a custom schedule thing like bed that just targeted the spouse room or kitchen, that'd be really cool actually.

[cyan marsh]

it turned out to be stress and gas x3

[brittle ledge]

for marriage schedules you mean?

[latent mauve]

Yes

[brittle ledge]

Farmhouse map compat would probably be brutal though

(do I mean vanilla farmhouse or modded? Yes)

[gentle rose]

compat for individual farmhouses wouldn’t be too bad afaik, especially not for the spouse room which afaik has to be in a specific spot but idk how well the pathfinder can work around furniture

[latent mauve]

I don't know enough about the multiplayer shenanigans with locations to know if it would be possible to have a custom map property or custom field added to a map that then could "mark" those coordinates to be pulled in the schedule things

Or even how it would handle in cabins for multiplayer

[cyan marsh]

perfect!

aside from the Farm and backwoods, is there any other map npcs can't go?

[warm imp]

secret woods

[latent mauve]

Also tunnel

Based on earlier conversation

[brittle pasture]

Farm, and any location with ExcludeFromNpcPathfinding true

[cyan marsh]

I don't have that sorted

[brittle pasture]

what's your question

[cyan marsh]

oh.. i'm just making it where if someone tries to acquire coordinates in places you can't send NPCs to it will not allow it

[gentle rose]

is this for the npc maker or something? to give it an in-game component?

[cyan marsh]

maybe there is an easier way though instead of using a huge If statement

[brittle pasture]

read the location data, check if it's a farm map or has that field set to true

vanilla has it to true for those three locations (backwoods, secret woods, and tunnels), but mods can add more

[cyan marsh]

yeah.. but i need to figure how to get the program to read it

[gentle rose]

(this was @coriel btw)

[brittle pasture]

Isnt one of your previous code already reading location data

[cyan marsh]

not really?

            if (Game1.currentLocation.ShouldExcludeFromNpcPathfinding = true)
            {

            }
``` this looks like it.. but not quite

[brittle pasture]

hmm okay your project 3 months ago was slightly different

use GameLocation.GetData()

(that's an instance method)

[proud wyvern]

having one = makes it change the value to true

so suddenly you're breaking the current location's pathfinding

[cyan marsh]

that doesn't work either btw x3

[brittle pasture]

it's a function

public virtual bool ShouldExcludeFromNpcPathfinding()
        {
            return this.GetData()?.ExcludeFromNpcPathfinding ?? false;
        }

[cyan marsh]

yeah.. i'm trying to figure what you said out as well as get what i want

[brittle pasture]

(I didnt know GameLocation has a function that reads that field from the data)

so do Game1.currentLocation.ShouldExcludeFromNpcPathfinding()

[gentle rose]

functions need to be called using brackets at the end

and equality needs to be compared using == not = like Shockah said

[brittle pasture]

also since it returns a bool you dont even need to compare it to true

[gentle rose]

oh, interesting that it’s virtual I wonder if anything overrides it rn

[cyan marsh]

yep that seems to work

let's find out

[brittle pasture]

farms/cellar maybe?

just guessing tho

[gentle rose]

that was my first guess too, or the greenhouse/other similar locations

but I’m not sure why since they’re dead ends anyway

(at least, usually)

I’ll have a dig through the decompile later to find out haha

-# having a pink name is weird. idk if I like that

[calm nebula]

I like the pinks

[gentle rose]

I’m so used to orange though

[latent mauve]

I wasn't expecting it to override the orange without me selecting a role like in previous events xD

[gentle rose]

if you like the pinks, join us, become pink

[latent mauve]

My fault for not fully processing the event announcement

[cyan marsh]

success

now i will assign it a key

[brittle pasture]

I should be pink
maybe this weekend (too busy to do crossword puzzles)

[cyan marsh]

and thus easy coordinate logging!!

[gentle rose]

the puzzle was nice, I wonder when they’re releasing the next one

[naive wyvern]

i wish we could keep the pinks forever 😔

alas

[gentle rose]

they should allow pink as an alternate mod author colour for you pau

[naive wyvern]

true, and only for me

everyone else gets a different kind of pink

[gentle rose]

but then you wouldn’t be cheeto

[brittle pasture]

strawberry flavored cheeto

[gentle rose]

you’d be… bubblegum? ig?

[brittle pasture]

(it's also spicy)

[naive wyvern]

yum!

both yum

[gentle rose]

cheetos are spicy?

[naive wyvern]

some of em are, i think

[gentle rose]

I thought those ones were red

[brittle pasture]

corrected my misinfo

[naive wyvern]

ppreciate the news integrity selph

[gentle rose]

we give red spicy cheeto colour to authors who have proven their dedication to the art of cursed mods

[brittle pasture]

I made animals sh*t do I qualify

[gentle rose]

speaking of,,, I wanted to do that proof of concept (that I would never publish, dw) of basically doing the equivalent of a zip bomb but for the pathfinder

[naive wyvern]

yes

[tribal ore]

.Choose ConversationTopics, Letters, Events

[patent lance]

Choose result: Letters

[lusty elm]

.choose small, green, color, code, other.

[patent lance]

Choose result: color

[cyan marsh]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/31676 First release done..

ahhh... information is power indeed.. I love being able to get every ID of various things with the press of a button :3

[rough lintel]

genq, but what specific use case does this mod have? i guess i don’t understand why someone would need to pull this info (except maybe the gift ids or the schedule thing, i guess)

[cyan marsh]

someone wants to make a mod.. this localizes a lot of the information and is tailored to the mods installed in their game

so they can mod something into SVE, or RSV... anything they want

if the game has a major update and there are new things like music maps and items, a simple button press will get them to you.. plus NPC Creator will look for the folder they output in.. so it uses this data to tailor the program to your needs

[lusty elm]

at first glance it looks redundant because we have the Great ID spreadsheet, and the CP patch export* command to see whats loaded and a lot of extra info here available to us, even if its just where to find frameworks, tools, guides, etc.
But some of that info is dependent upon being here in the discord, so while it may not necessarily be as useful for US, it could be very useful to others. it is also unified in a single tool, where a lot of other info is scattered and may be difficult to come across. Like the CTRL + L looks useful to me, but I also don't know what npc tools are out there to help cuz i don't normally do that.

[lucid iron]

patch export beloved

Although, i broke it a few times with self reference

[lusty elm]

It also seems especially useful for cases where there can be a lot of data to pour through, like on one of those playthroughs where someone has 100-1000 mods.

Besides, does a mod need a reason or use case to exist?

[brittle pasture]

even ||truffle juice||?

[lucid iron]

The usecase is intimidating your enemies

[cyan marsh]

i was trying to moderate in here

forgot im not in a nexus discord .-.

I am just a peasant here

[lusty elm]

You're not a peasant, you're a cheeto

[tender bloom]

Maybe i should become pink

To escape Cheeto-hood temporarily

[teal bridge]

I think I'll stick with cheeto.

[lusty elm]

That only Hides

[cyan marsh]

truth be told i don't talk here much unless i'm needed or i need something x3

used to be so active... now I do other things

[tribal ore]

chanting 3 events left, 3 events left, 3 events left...

[calm nebula]

You know how it goes

It's three events left until you think of four new events

[lucid mulch]

Obtw atra I did round 1 of the image optimisation to minimise going back and forth between texture2d and nothing meaningfully changed :/

[tawny ore]

But have you tried testing with one of those mega-1000+ mod packs?

[lucid mulch]

I might go back and add further monitoring on the fileio because texturerawdata is a struct and so might be hitting a different generic implementations

[lucid mulch]

I had the user that takes 3 seconds to load/reload cursors try it and it's still 3 seconds

Every edits still ~22ms as if nothing was different

[calm nebula]

This weekend's modding window will need to go to getting East Scarpe onto Android sadly

[tawny ore]

Maybe that's a testament to how well-optimized Content Patcher already is

[calm nebula]

I have two proposed optimizations

[tawny ore]

I like your Docker idea. How much overhead is it to recompute a texture, vs somehow caching the layers of changes.

[calm nebula]

One for smapi, one for CP

[lucid iron]

what is borked for ES android?

[calm nebula]

ISoundbank.Exists does not exist

I'll just emit the IL to do that

Won't take long

[lucid mulch]

Can you look over my smapi one and see if I'm doing anything stupid that is causing other problems to offset the theoretical savings https://github.com/Pathoschild/SMAPI/compare/develop...SinZ163:SMAPI:optimization/assetimage-edits

[calm nebula]

(For the sake of my future mental health I have social plans this weekend)

[calm nebula]

Remind me in 18 hours to take a look

[patent lance]

if I track that for you but you're not around to read it...does it even matter if I send it? (#6529211) (18h | <t:1739632285>)

[lucid mulch]

Caching TextureRawData should be almost free, as it's already down to the bare minimum, it's just a single array of colour along with width and height.
Nothing like the insanity that Map has

I might just try to cache the mod filesystem next out of reflex. And if it works figure out a smapi config option to disable the optimisation or a way to clear the cache

[lucid iron]

as long as patch reload clears that cache it should be fine

[lucid mulch]

I would have done that already if it wasn't for the fact that profiler was not saying it was expensive when it was elsewhere.
But cp isn't loading texture2d it's loading the irawtexturedata which might be hitting a different generic implementation thus dodging profiler

[final arch]

ES does compat for mobile?

we had some peeps saying RSV isnt working on mobile but ehhhhh dont rly have the motivation to check 😅

have you considered checking with a real profiler like yourkit?

[next quarry]

is there a checklist for everything that needs to be done for a custom NPC?

[final arch]

or Rider's inbuilt, idk if thats any good tho

[lucid iron]

!npc

[ocean sail]

Creating a Custom NPC

Keep in mind that making NPCs is a complex process that requires learning many different aspects of Stardew modding.
Here are a few links that can help get you started on all that you need to know:

• Tiakall has a great tutorial on making a custom NPC for 1.6.

• NPCs no longer use dispositions, check the wiki page for the new NPC data.

• Aviroen has put together a template that will allow you to easily create a romanceable NPC.

• Feel free to jump into the https://discord.com/channels/137344473976799233/1277457201077813280 thread for more interactive feedback and help!

• Fireredlily has a WIP NPC Builder Please do report any errors you get with it into the NPC thread!

To use this command, type !npc.

[next quarry]

thank you <3

[final arch]

I think portrait, overworld sprite and data/characters entry is all you need

[lucid iron]

dialogue if you want to talk to them

gift tastes

[final arch]

yeah if you want, but not needed

he asked for needs

[next quarry]

yeah I mean with all the optional to make them feel complete
I'm worried to miss something like beach sprites and stuff

[final arch]

mhh maybe you dont even need a portrait if they cant talk

[uncut viper]

depending on what you want, they dont need anything but a static picture on a map tile

[final arch]

then they arent an NPC tho

[lucid iron]

well that makes them not a npc.cs

[uncut viper]

Gil is very hurt by that

[final arch]

can Gil be hurt if he's only a map tile? idk if map tiles have feelings

[lucid iron]

gil can recitify this by standing up and throwing hands with me

[uncut viper]

if this is all it takes then the Phone is an NPC

Phone/Answering Machine

[lucid iron]

yea

[final arch]

and no overworld sprite if your ok with your NPC being a crossed out red circle

NPC making is easier than I thought

1.6 be praised

[uncut viper]

you can just include a synopsis of your NPC in the mod description and let people imagine it. DIY NPC kit

[lucid iron]

phone has several dialogue expansions

thats prob more than george

[latent mauve]

Just to chime in, Gil DOES have portraits, so he's not just a static map tile. 😉

[brittle ledge]

I know you're a runner but I didn't know you liked suffering that much

[tawny ore]

Wait. Are we not telling people on Android that they're SOL anymore?

[brittle ledge]

FWIW I tried to break the page into "this is the bare minimum for an NPC" and "this is all the additional fun spice" so you can pick and choose which additional fun stuff you want

[tawny ore]

I know there was experimental stuff going on, but is it actually ready for us to consider it?

[rancid musk]

There is an SMAPI build for Android now. Not that I have any plans on actively supporting it with my mods at this point.

[brittle ledge]

I assume it's still experimental and that's why I think Atra is into suffering

[tawny ore]

Yeah last I heard it was early in development, and still hit or miss.

[next quarry]

it's a great guide from what I see so far

[brittle ledge]

If you have any questions or need clarification on something, let me know, I'm always willing to tweak stuff for clarity

[calm nebula]

If I'm not suffering I'm not growing

I will have my pull-up....eventually

(Please note that I'm currently doing assisted pull ups with the assistance being literally half my body weight)

[tawny ore]

https://tenor.com/view/no-pain-no-gain-workout-rat-getting-fit-gif-10458198

[brittle pasture]

speaking of Android someone figured out that Extra Machine Config version before 1.7.0 works on Android, while later version breaks
I have no idea how that's the case, and I'm not particular interested in finding out

[tawny ore]

There used to be an Android decompile repo, I wonder if that'll come back anytime

Curious what's needed to support Android

[lucid iron]

I wonder about the mystery stuff that gets trimmed

Besides atra ES woes stardewui also hit this with a keyboard event being yoted

[brittle pasture]

maybe the Android version does something funny to OnItemReceived or something, that's part of the byproduce stuff that's new in 1.7.0

[rigid musk]

[teal bridge]

Yeah, the main problems with Android seem to be trimming.

My guess is not a lot of "game logic" changes, but the stuff around the margins (MonoGame/XNA) is more volatile.

(btw @tawny ore, I launched Star Control today, so everything's ready for your Iconic update whenever you want to release it.)

[tawny ore]

I noticed. I'm ready to go, but I'm still "working" right now so just waiting for my day to end.

[teal bridge]

Just making sure. I guess I still need to get in touch with someone on S&S too, but none of them seem to be around lately.

[final arch]

is desty not active?

[lucid iron]

Last i heard endertedi is busy irl

[teal bridge]

He only does the art and content, right?

[lucid iron]

I did mention star control/radial menu stuff to the s&s channel tho

[teal bridge]

They have a channel? Or is it a different server.

[lucid iron]

If u changed ubique id then its fine right

[tawny ore]

I think a lot of those involved in S&S aren't active HERE, but on the East Scarpe server

[lucid iron]

Channel in the east scarp server yeah

[teal bridge]

Well, I mean, it's fine in the sense that users can keep running the old version and it will keep working with S&S; not fine in the sense that users can't run the old and new versions simultaneously, so they have to choose between either upgrading and losing compatibility or not upgrading and having an old and busted mod.

I can, of course, pull a "not my problem" but I'd like to be able to say I tried.

[tawny ore]

I dunno, I feel like pinging the right people here is as far as you should have to go

[teal bridge]

Who, though? Other than EnderTedi I guess, who hasn't been online?

[tawny ore]

I mean I get it. There are whole separate SDV Modding sub-communities in SVE, RSV, and ES that I know of. Probably others. But this is still the most collaborative community being "maincord" and all.

[teal bridge]

Like... who are users reporting bugs on S&S to right now, who is fixing them

(no one?)

[tawny ore]

If you really want to reach out directly, you have to join ES. That's where they're at.

[pine elbow]

Can anyone tell me what the Data/CookingRecipes object class is called?

[drowsy pewter]

i believe its axell doing the C# for S&S currently

[teal bridge]

There isn't one, it's a string

[pine elbow]

thanks

[teal bridge]

I do not see that name here, so they're on the ES server?

[tawny ore]

FYI - If you want to be able to look these up yourself. Once you decompile the game, all of the data formats can be found in StardewValley.DataLoader

[drowsy pewter]

@tame burrow Hey, can you pop around for an S&S question?

[teal bridge]

lol, I never would have figured out that alias, thanks.

[tawny ore]

@pine elbow For example:

/// <summary>Load the <c>Data/CookingRecipes</c> asset.</summary>
/// <param name="content">The content manager through which to load data.</param>
/// <remarks>Most code should use <see cref="F:StardewValley.CraftingRecipe.cookingRecipes" /> instead.</remarks>
public static Dictionary<string, string> CookingRecipes(LocalizedContentManager content)
{
    return DataLoader.Load<Dictionary<string, string>>(content, "Data\\CookingRecipes");
}

[drowsy pewter]

i dont really know what the current convo is about but theres no need to speculate on how to contact people when the mod page is there imo

[lucid mulch]

oh im not alone in needing to find s&s people

[tawny ore]

It's an optionally dependent mod that had an update, folder change, and mod id change. So sort of a breaking update.

[teal bridge]

(I did look at the mod page btw, I guess I glossed over 7thAxis, I just knew Casey was on hiatus/no longer involved and EnderTedi hasn't been around.)

[lucid mulch]

when I took a glance at a page I saw casey mentioned still so I stopped reading and originally just messaged them

[tawny ore]

This is why on my mod pages, I put my pingable Discord name on there. Not that it's ever very complicated.

inb4 name change to LⰤϝФɄҲ⋈ΔᏖᏖ

[lucid mulch]

I just have SinZ on mine iirc, but I keep very clean names everywhere (other than moddota for historical ceremonial reasons)

[teal bridge]

My name is always the same but on the latest mods I did put an explicit @ in front of it just to drive the point home.

[hard fern]

im probably findable if people from nexus just try and @ me here... i dont remember if i ever added a "contact me via" section on nexus

[teal bridge]

Like 1/100 Nexus users seem to bother to read as far as the Contact section anyway, they all just post comments even though the page specifically says to use other methods.

[gentle rose]

I don’t think we can actually influence mod users’ actions at this point. I’ve started to believe in predeterminism in this context. If a mod user wants to find you, they will track you down through name changes and hidden information and high water and still ping you out of nowhere, and if they don’t want to find you, not even a massive message box immediately redirecting them to the correct place will work. We are but observers to the whims of the mod universe /lh

[teal bridge]

Which is fine for general feedback comments, really, Only frustrating when it's a long/vague support question.

[calm nebula]

I hear atra is retired

@lucid mulch is the s&s token problem also visible in other mod provided tokens

[lucid iron]

Nexus user vc: I hope shovel can be updated for android 1.6

[gentle rose]

at this point, I would only be mildly confused if one of us ends up with a mod comment sent via mail to our home address

[lucid mulch]

the s&s one is a particularly bad example, as they are doing a bunch of work that isnt needed.
this is the code they intend to run, which could be better with caching or whatever else but isnt't the biggest deal.
but its an instance method not static, and they instantiate a new instance of the Paladin class every time (along with some of the other skills) and they do a bunch of stuff in the constructor

[final arch]

SVE and RSV dont rly have modding subcommunities. but yeah there are a few other servers with modding communities (ES, SBV, SMC, Krobus)

[gentle rose]

oh, are you looking at the optimisation things you found with Scarlett, sinz?

[lucid mulch]

Its a big enough problem to tackle in multiple directions

[tawny ore]

I guess when I say SVE and RSV sub-communities, I mean more mod users in those cases.

[teal bridge]

Need a Bart Simpson chalkboard meme with "I will not perform file I/O in constructors"

[lucid mulch]

ironically enough my current smapi optimisation attempt might fix this anyway

[teal bridge]

I'm not a complete hardass "never do anything even remotely expensive in a ctor" but seeing that code reminds me that they have a valid point.

[calm nebula]

What's the current attempt

[calm nebula]

It's funny because in the current code base I'm working in I have constructors that take 20 s

[lucid mulch]

ModContentManager attempting to read images will just spit out a cached RawTextureData instead of hitting disk every time

[final arch]

where's the funny part :d

[teal bridge]

Hm... how will you handle hot reloads with that, since mod content doesn't receive invalidation?

[tawny ore]

Have you considered doing a Bogosort-like algorithm for optimization?

[lucid mulch]

mod users dont need hot reload support

[gentle rose]

I quoted bogosort twice in my uni interviews and I’m not sorry

[calm nebula]

Keep in mind that this is because raii lol

[lucid mulch]

I'll look at cache busting once it works

[calm nebula]

That constructor opens a network connection

[final arch]

at my work we have this huge state-object and now they want to do a rest api.. so we have to build up that huge state fo every call
it doesnt take thaat long tut like, 1s... which is hella long

whats raii again?

[teal bridge]

Resource Acquisition Is Initialization, kind of the C++ metaphor for IDisposable

(kind of)

[gentle rose]

I’m going to have to look up what the problem is with computationally expensive things in ctors I think I haven’t looked very deeply into C# underlying/low level stuff at all tbh

[final arch]

reminds me of URL.equals() in java which makes a network connection to see if both adresses resolve to the same IP

[gentle rose]

that is so cursed, I love it

[lucid mulch]

I didn't need another reason to despise java, but I'll take it

[gentle rose]

does it also follow redirects?

[final arch]

Two URL objects are equal if they have the same protocol, reference equivalent hosts, have the same port number on the host, and the same file and fragment of the file.

Two hosts are considered equivalent if both host names can be resolved into the same IP addresses; else if either host name can't be resolved, the host names must be equal without regard to case; or both host names equal to null.

Since hosts comparison requires name resolution, this operation is a blocking operation.

Note: The defined behavior for equals is known to be inconsistent with virtual hosting in HTTP.

[gentle rose]

reference equivalent hosts… they say that like it’s trivial

[calm nebula]

Focus makes a face at this. Mate, it's init once per run lol, runs can take literal hours

[teal bridge]

Doesn't go nearly far enough, it should download the entire contents of that URL to make sure they are equal too.

[tawny ore]

Oh wait, I meant QuantumBogo Sort. Just destroy the universes that do not yield the most optimal results.

[gentle rose]

I suppose that in a multiverse, all algorithms can kind of happen in O(1)

[teal bridge]

Shekurika made the face, I only gave it a thumbs down.

[hard fern]

Destroy the universe

[teal bridge]

I remain stone-faced as always.

[gentle rose]

this is the whole Demonic NonDeterminism vs Angelic NonDeterminism thing all over again, where I once got the tutor for that course to say that angels are theoretical and demons are real

[teal bridge]

Anyway, the network-connection-in-ctor thing is less a performance issue as it is a design and testing issue. I'm going to hazard a wild guess that this code has no unit tests.

[calm nebula]

It has unit tests

But not for that part, no. It's very hard to unit test a temperature controller if you're not connected to it

[final arch]

just mock it

[tawny ore]

I like how #programmers-off-topic doesn't save this channel from becoming #programmers-off-topic every now and again

[calm nebula]

Fuck

Yes

[tawny ore]

It's like it was created for that purpose, but we can't help ourselves

[calm nebula]

You're right

[teal bridge]

Yes well, #programmers-off-topic doesn't save #programmers-off-topic from getting modding questions, so we're just returning the favor.

[final arch]

thats channel is only for offtopic that didnt grow organically

[gentle rose]

programming-off-topic is dedicated to being off the topic of programming Matt, duh

[lucid iron]

But wait what is the nuance of "expensive thing in ctor is no good" here

What will u do if u really do need it

[calm nebula]

(Yeah, same q.)

[lucid iron]

And what of primary constructors

[tawny ore]

Yeah, it's a thin line. Especially ever since art moved into its own category.

[calm nebula]

I would argue that running your constructor less is my heart

[tawny ore]

Earlier discussions for the split wanted there to be a content vs coding channel, but this is where we landed.

[teal bridge]

You never really need it, you can always either write a 2-stage load or a constructor that takes the stuff that's already initialized, and both are better from a design/testing point of view and don't run into crazy issues with stack unwinding if an exception occurs, etc.

[brittle pasture]

some say good code is art, so I say we take code discussions to making-mod-art as well /s

[final arch]

is there any menu you can sort besides the inventory?

[teal bridge]

Typically you write a constructor that takes the unowned state (e.g. network connection that's already open) and if necessary write a static method or utility somewhere to call it.

[tawny ore]

When I zoom out, my code looks like of pretty imo

[final arch]

I need sort buttons

[calm nebula]

Wdym

[final arch]

I have a menu you can sort alphabetically and heartlevelly up and down and need to steal a button for it :p

[tawny ore]

Any menu displaying a list of items can be sorted, but it lacks the built in button.

[lusty elm]

.choose small, lesson.

[patent lance]

Choose result: lesson.

[lucid iron]

The regular sort button?

[calm nebula]

Do your own pixel art heaten

[tawny ore]

Are you looking for other sorting icons on Cursors?

[final arch]

heaten?

[calm nebula]

Heathen

[hard fern]

heaten...

[final arch]

is there one?

[lucid iron]

162,440,16,16

Cursors

[tawny ore]

I'm pretty sure you can find the universe on Cursors if you look hard enough

[lucid iron]

Sheku can i ask about the gradient blob in event lookup

[final arch]

no

(sure :p)

[teal bridge]

If you look hard enough, you can even find some cursors in cursors.

I know, it's hard to believe, but it's true!

[tawny ore]

What, no way. That's the one exception. You can't have cursors on Cursors.

[gentle rose]

good code is art and I am jackson pollock, interpret that how you will

[lucid iron]

Why is it there

[daring skiff]

Question. Is there any Time of Day triggers I can use for Content Patcher? I've checked out BETAS.

Trying to add a buff at a certain time of day without changing location.

[lucid iron]

Yeah spacecore

[daring skiff]

Ty.

[final arch]

the birthday is behind the "Event" button so I use that to cover it up

and its CP patchable for recolors

[hard fern]

cursors? in cursors? how can this be

[final arch]

I prob couldve done it programmatically but 🤷

also it will be removed very soon if that helps

[lucid iron]

Yes im glad

[tawny ore]

For heart level, what if you just take this and put it on this?

[lucid iron]

The other thing i was wonder is

[teal bridge]

Why do you care about this?

I'm starting to get curious.

[final arch]

and an arrow yeah 🤔

thinking that too

[hard fern]

you know i never understood what that icon was supposed to be, the "sort items" button

[tawny ore]

I do a lot of remixes of Cursors for simple assets

[lucid iron]

event lookup seem to request Data/Machines sometimes

[final arch]

a file cabinet?

kinda

drawers?

[hard fern]

🤔 huh. interesting...

[lusty elm]

stack of papers?

[teal bridge]

I wouldn't compose those two, Cursors has an actual button nine-slice.

[final arch]

lol. it doesnt. it says for all assets the game requests that event lookup requests it

cus I left a debug statement in there

its not actually EL requesting it

[lucid iron]

Naruhodo

[final arch]

when SMAPi asks all mods if they can load an asset EL always logs that messages

[tawny ore]

Part of the point is to have the Organize button since that is a recognized convention for sorting though.

[final arch]

which is very dumb

[teal bridge]

Well yeah, but "sort" and "organize" are different things.

Sorting usually has a bidirectional arrow to indicate it. Or just two carets.

[lucid iron]

Well, you can always break into smapi and log as someone else

[final arch]

or I can just remove the debug logging :p

[gentle rose]

break into smapi and log as a brand new mod each time /j

[teal bridge]

I might take this sprite, or half of it, draw it vertically mirrored, and there's a sort. Or draw it unidirectional and have it change direction when clicked.

[final arch]

yeah thought the same

[lucid iron]

I added orderby on animal shop as an afterthought so uh it just says ASC and DESC on the tooltip

Do smth one day maybe

[tawny ore]

I commissioned a nice sorting sprite from Tai which would have been used for a Better Chests feature. Now I need to find a new use for it.

[teal bridge]

Perhaps I'm just mildly obsessive about making UIs look elegant.

[final arch]

making UIs suck :/

I kinda gave up for some parts of mine x)

[teal bridge]

Not for me they don't.

Although the Star Control redesign was a bit nuts because of all the transitions. That was... an experiment.

Other UIs are simple though.

[tawny ore]

Making a nice UI is what's holding me back from a new mod that I want to make, but I'm adamant that it has to be built in StardewUI and it has to look good. The latter is what's challenging me.

[final arch]

they're not hard but a bit tedious

how good is StardewUI?

[gentle rose]

technically console commands are a form of UI and therefore my users will take what they can get

[teal bridge]

Well, I've got some experience at this point, so if you just want to bounce some ideas off, only need to ask.

[lucid iron]

I like fiddling with UI

[final arch]

I considered using it but Im a bit afraid 1) what if I end up somewhere I cant do what I want and 2) its a dependency, so someone has to maintain it for +1.7 too

[lucid iron]

But i do think i get tunnel visioned

[tawny ore]

I've heard that @teal bridge knows a thing or two about StardewUI

[teal bridge]

Compared to vanilla UI, I'm going to say it's the difference between fine wine and mop water.

[lusty elm]

.choose small farm, greenhouse project.

[patent lance]

Choose result: greenhouse project.

[teal bridge]

It's not as elegant as React, but hey, it's Stardew.

[lucid iron]

Sheku have you used like qt/gtk and such

[final arch]

no

[gentle rose]

(totally unbiased opinion, ofc /lh)

[final arch]

I know Swing

and Vaadin

[lucid iron]

Java lands i see

[final arch]

I pretend to be a java dev at my job, yeah :>

[teal bridge]

Anyway, considering how much traffic is going through the framework now, you can probably expect it to be maintained for 1.7 and beyond. Unless vanilla Stardew somehow absorbs its function, but... I doubt it.

[final arch]

mhh sounds enticing

maybe for my next project 😄

[lucid iron]

As person who made 2 stardewui mods now i think the main draw is controller support

[final arch]

oh yeah controller support sucks too

[lucid iron]

Neighbor stuff continue to be a mystery to me

[brittle pasture]

you can look at its dependent mods to see examples of mods with stellar interactive UIs

[lucid iron]

But it's just built in with stardewui

And u get to brain in normal layout ways, less let me count them pixels

[tawny ore]

I'm fine with hardcoding UIs or using the framework, but I'm not satisfied with any of the ideas I've come up with for how I want user interactions to work.

[calm nebula]

What are you planning on making?

[final arch]

thats stardew UI? looks rly neat 👀

[calm nebula]

I joke about making a mod where you gain experience by taking steps in the real world

[lucid iron]

Yea

(don't look at machine mod pls it's the bad practice approach)

[final arch]

ok this is very close to mine

[gentle rose]

I have plenty of excellent ideas and only one of them will lead to users making effigies of you to burn

[teal bridge]

If you haven't checked out the examples, this one is the most elaborate one I made up.

(Star Control is probably more complex, at this point)

[gentle rose]

“stardew go”

[calm nebula]

Please vertically shake your phone

[teal bridge]

And I did that example in maybe two days? Something like that.

[latent mauve]

"shake phone to harvest all fruit on screen"

[final arch]

k that looks hella cool 👀

[calm nebula]

Also I shouldn't admit to this but I used to actually play Pokémon go legitimately, walked into poison ivy for a gym, and was sad that someone else took it from me within an hour

Evil GPS fakers

[hard fern]

😭

[gentle rose]

I played pokemon go very briefly that one weekend it went crazy, and then was on my way to a one week youth summer program thing called NCS where we had no reception and never went back to it lmao

[calm nebula]

You don't get it unless you know all the gyms on your 20 mile running route lol

[final arch]

can you do tables in stardew UI?

[calm nebula]

You appear to be able to do tables

[tawny ore]

I want to do something that replaces the functionality of this previous UI (categorize), but in a way that's easier to understand and use
#making-mods-general message

And I just don't have any good ideas

[teal bridge]

Depends what you mean by tables. You can do grids. For "data tables", I'd use templated rows.

[gentle rose]

I read grp as arp and couldn’t figure out what tf you wanted

[teal bridge]

Starlog prototype was data tables, done prior to templates (so copypasta). It's very doable now.

[teal bridge]

Oh, that's the whole crazy nested boolean search thing.

[lucid iron]

What if you let mods define these categories on behalf of user

Pay no attention to man behind curtain

[rough lintel]

papers

[tawny ore]

Yeah that was an accurate representation of the search syntax, but I'm moving away from that in anything new I do.

[calm nebula]

Honest to God I think this is an unsolved problem

[brittle pasture]

to shill my own example:

[calm nebula]

I've gone back and forth over it

[rigid musk]

Kidney beans...

[brittle pasture]

(also dont mind me just gonna post something real quick)

deep breaths valentine's day mod updates!
Extra Machine Configs: Nothing major, but you can now put clothes and non-objects as machine input.
Machine Terrain Framework: Custom planting bushes with their own list of seeds, custom lightning rods that produce custom output after getting struck by lightning, and some misc fixes.
Extra Animal Configs: GSQ-based animal skins, including animal age (which also works for produce). Now you can add extra growth stages for animals
Furniture Machine (new): Add machine rules (that are not just day update) to your furniture items! A spiritual successor of sort to Bigger Craftables, kinda

[calm nebula]

Do you want

1. To use a special constrains language
2. To have a UI for it that is nine million square

[tawny ore]

I should probably take some inspiration from Khloe since Better Crafting has the most comparable UI for creating categorization rules.

[whole silo]

i just manually created an item bag for the mod Nature in the valley. I love that mod but kept filling my backpack with all the insects on an outing. I would love to post it on Nexus for others but not sure how or where seeing that this is an asset for 2 other mods neither of wich i created. I want to make sure the modders for Nature in the Valley as well as Item Bags get credit for their mods.

[final arch]

currently EL looks like this and Im not a fan

[teal bridge]

Well, I always start by asking the question of what problem we are trying to solve. Boolean search sometimes feels to me like a solution in search of a problem.
(Don't get me wrong, sometimes I need it, and when I need it I really need it, but those times are relatively rare)

[echo wadi]

hi all, are there any mods that make it so your horse comes with you on the minecarts?

[lucid iron]

You make a item bagd pack that depends on both nitv and item bags

[latent mauve]

nothing major, Selph says, as they just enable my entire Laundry Machine mod to actually work.

[calm nebula]

I'm actually thinking of the related problem of pcb design constraints

[hard fern]

oh i never knew mtf was a thing

[gentle rose]

this reminds me a little of the ravelry filtering system ngl (if they haven’t updated it in the past few months). I like flexible combine-able filters

[hard fern]

finally, i can put a fish smoker on my maps

[lucid iron]

Furniture machines mod page lost some words

Download and extract the zip into the Mods folder inside the ga

[tawny ore]

There's already a mod author who posted a bunch of the ItemBag json. Which is probably fine as long as you aren't sharing any of the assets which you did not create.

[brittle pasture]

(you want #modded-stardew )
(also vanilla has the horse flute item)

[brittle pasture]

the ga

[latent mauve]

Also Selph, is this version of Furniture Machine any different than the one you had me using from Github before?

[brittle pasture]

I removed all the transpilers that allowed furniture to stack to 999

[tawny ore]

@whole silo for example, they only share files which they created. They depend on the two respective mods, and credit them.

[brittle pasture]

it would be pain to maintain

otherwise nop

[teal bridge]

Yeah, that's a cakewalk in Stardew UI. Although you'd probably want to make it scrollable, not paged, I imagine?

[latent mauve]

Noted, I'll make sure I'm updated, then. 🙂

[lucid iron]

Hm gsq animal skins how do they work

Did you patch PurchaseAnimalMenu

[teal bridge]

(Also, is that EL UI a new/unreleased design? It doesn't look anything like the EL that I run)

[echo wadi]

okay thanks! and yes I know about horse flute but am impatient 😛 will ask over there though thanks!

[brittle pasture]

oh by skins I meant textures, not the skin feature

[final arch]

yeah supposed to be an update in the near future

Ill def need to try out stardew UI some time 😄

[calm nebula]

Yeah, and I think the more technical the user the more insane your constraints file can get

[teal bridge]

Ah, well, if you've already put a bunch of work into it...

[tawny ore]

In case you haven't discovered this yet @final arch https://discord.com/channels/137344473976799233/1293051032904925255

[brittle pasture]

you can have something like "if sheep is older than 10 days and have wool use this texture"

[lucid iron]

Ah yes the pokemon 3 stage evolution farm animal

[brittle pasture]

verily

[calm nebula]

So rav detailed search, our drm checks

[gentle rose]

honestly idk why ravelry got the full system it did but I’m grateful nonetheless

[hard fern]

someone has probably modded flaffy in as a sheep by now right...

[calm nebula]

But forgive me but I don't think of stardew players as particularly technically sophisticated

[gentle rose]

drm checks?

[calm nebula]

Design rule checks

Sorry

Drc

"Did you put metal too close to other metal" check

Like, there are different defined tolerances for, say, a power rail or a slow signal line or a fast signal line, etc

All over the place. What size via you use. Do you remove internal metal

Damn

Didn't manage to hit the report button fast enough

(Steam scammer)

[brittle pasture]

got yoted by the masked link detector

[hard fern]

yoted....

[calm nebula]

I'm gonna be completely honest tbh

I kinda wish all stardew chest was big, searchable junimo chest

[tawny ore]

Hello. I'm right here.

[teal bridge]

That was literally my brainstorm for infinite inventory a few weeks back.

[calm nebula]

Get some tabs going

Okay I'll go back to retirement

[teal bridge]

(no disrespect intended, I just like infinite scrolling more)

[calm nebula]

That only lasted two seconds

[tawny ore]

Ah, tabs are probably not coming back.

It was voted out.

[teal bridge]

Voted or yoted?

[lucid iron]

The chest is infinite but the junimos ransom your things in exchange for raisins

[hard fern]

"you want items? hand over the raisins first, pal."

[tawny ore]

Survey says ❌

[calm nebula]

Carrying items is heavy and you can only merge chests in towns you own

[tawny ore]

Inventory Tabs voted as the least wanted feature

[hard fern]

I read that like steve harvey does on family feud

[calm nebula]

The bank holds items for you

You can also stand in town square trading items

[teal bridge]

Roguelite Stardew, you have no inventory at all, just a few fixed slots to carry things.

[rancid musk]

Craft From Chest
Hello. I'm right here.

[calm nebula]

Someone made a roguelite stardew

[teal bridge]

If you're talking about the one posted the other day that just puts limits on the inventory size... yeah, saw it.

[calm nebula]

More commonly I tend to put the fish I want in a chest and then cannot figure out where the hell that chest is

[teal bridge]

I always make the fish chest blue.

[calm nebula]

It's like when I put important papers in safe locations

[tawny ore]

This list helped inform me what did I need to look for a replacement for.

Thankfully you had that one covered.

[rancid musk]

The fish go in the blue chest because water is blue and fish go in water.

[teal bridge]

That's my logic, yes.

[calm nebula]

The fish chest has a fish drawn on it. There are just four of them and I'm trying to remember which has largemouth bass

[teal bridge]

Sounds airtight to me!

[tawny ore]

Blue fish chest is what I always do, although infinite searchable junimo chest is where everything ends up eventually

[gentle rose]

this channel too? damn

[calm nebula]

I use two shades of blue for fish

[final arch]

I still want applied energistics 2 but stardew
I hate having to search chests

[gentle rose]

…how do I read this

[calm nebula]

What is applied energies

[teal bridge]

I do actually like the progression of having to collect more materials, craft more chests, etc. to get more storage. I don't exactly want cheats. Though I think the game could take it less "literally", as in having a single scrolling inventory that you just make larger with crafting.

[calm nebula]

Is that when you do physics

[crude plank]

they are both literally right here lol

[calm nebula]

Yup

[final arch]

storage mod from minecraft

[calm nebula]

I would rather have cheats than nine chests I have to search though

[rancid musk]

New mod: no chests. You just toss things on the ground and the junimo take them and wherever you need them you just ask the junimo to bring whatever it is back

[tawny ore]

by the way, has anyone seen my cursed inventory sizes?

[calm nebula]

Nice

[tawny ore]

1x5 chests here we go

[teal bridge]

That vertical one makes me want to dry-heave.

The others are cool.

[tawny ore]

I should include a mode where you can toggle individual slots on or off

[calm nebula]

Now turn that into tetris

[tawny ore]

even numbered inventory slots only?

[teal bridge]

Ah, we're getting back to the Worse Chests meme again.

[crude plank]

you can get basically ae2 with a bunch of Matt's mods and Better Crafting

[tawny ore]

I'll save that for if I decide I want to participate in April Fools this year

[brittle pasture]

can I have my chests be |, | l, ||, |_

[tawny ore]

Tetris slots, but they actually move down the screen

And if you make a tetris your items explode

[calm nebula]

Exactly!!!!

[gentle rose]

so anti-tetris

tetris but your goal is avoidance

[latent mauve]

Thank you Selph! It works perfectly, so I can work on getting this published now. ❤️

[flint stratus]

Hi I'm looking for a list of conditions I can use for appearance can anyone help me out? more things like DAY_OF_WEEK

[reef kiln]

I love that you can set each type of chest to a different amount. I always thought the stone chests should be different then wood. So they would have a distinct purpose.

[teal bridge]

I'm fairly serious about a total inventory overhaul. But on the other hand, already maintaining too many mods and would cannibalize a bunch of other mods if it actually succeeded.

Meaning, someone else should do it.

[brittle pasture]

[[Modding:Game state queries]]

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Game_state_queries

[tawny ore]

I'm trying to avoid Overhauls

I'd rather have single purpose mods with a more limited scope

[brittle pasture]

whoo! thanks for being the unwitting test subject

[latent mauve]

LOL, I requested the feature, it's only fair

[teal bridge]

It is single-purpose, in a sense, it's only touching one feature and that's the inventory menu.

It just happens to be the 2nd most crucial feature in the entire game

[lucid iron]

Is 7 too many already

[tawny ore]

I mean this is what scope creep and overhauling looks like, and it's a mess #making-mods-general message

[final arch]

did you make the washing machines? 👀

[latent mauve]

I did (at least the animated ones, and the code to make them work)!

[teal bridge]

8 if you include Starlog vaporware, and yeah, if we are going by SLOC then it's a lot!

[calm nebula]

Got it. Just make a mod that touches everything on the game

[latent mauve]

I got special permission from Hime-chan to tweak their washing machine sprites to create the animations.

[brittle pasture]

I'm definitely reaching my mod maintenance limit lol, I'm probably not making any significant new frameworks

[teal bridge]

Stardew UI is 50,000 and Star Control is 30,000, that's half an entire game lol

[brittle pasture]

ok, maybe one more (the custom builders thing)

[lucid iron]

30k

[tawny ore]

Next mod is just called Better Everything

[reef kiln]

I though putting shirts in the recycling machine was impossible?

[latent mauve]

I should be able to publish the Laundry Machine mod sometime tonight.

[teal bridge]

Oh, I'm wrong, I don't know where I got the 30k, it is only 17k.

[lucid iron]

I knew stardewui hueg b4

[latent mauve]

Frog, It was, until Selph did magic.

[brittle pasture]

it was, but I happened

[reef kiln]

Next is hats. Then I can stop trashing all my duplicates 😀

[teal bridge]

I'll grant that some of my mods are tiny, Bulk Buy hardly even qualifies, so maybe those can be written off.

And PYE I don't actually maintain. So like... 3 big mods and 2 normal mods.

(which reminds me, I forgot to release my own compatibility updates.)

[lucid iron]

yea i guess it is like number of active mods too

i have many smol mods that are feature complete (here's the feature i wanted that's all folks)

[teal bridge]

Going by stats...
Stardew UI = full-time project
Star Control = 20% project
Pen Pals/AFS/GIG = skunkworks projects
PYE = that one script you wrote 4 years ago that you're pretty sure still works because no one has complained, but have forgotten everything about

[brave fable]

has anyone made a FILO chest mode yet. the game needs a little more realism where it counts

[brittle pasture]

.choose aquaponics, builders, dialogue

[patent lance]

Choose result: builders

[brittle pasture]

oh good, that was my choice anyway

[teal bridge]

Isn't that the opposite of realism?

Or is this a double-sided chest?

[brave fable]

sorry FIFO hahah

[lucid iron]

what is skunkworks

[teal bridge]

Oh I see, you mean where you can only put in or pull out one item at a time and it's the last one.

[brave fable]

yeeees. stack implementation

[latent mauve]

I can confirm that hats do work as well, as long as the proper Trigger is set. 😄

[lucid iron]

yea the enricher chest which is 1 slot becomes fifo in some earlier version of unlimited chests

[brave fable]

you want to take out the Chicken Statue at the bottom of your chest? remove the other 63 items

[teal bridge]

Like, off-the-books projects, secret projects, not officially sanctioned by headquarters, etc.

[lucid iron]

u can put infty fertilizer in it and take them out one at a time

[teal bridge]

Almost always done with minimal crew and no budget.

[reef kiln]

Cool. Not sure I will bother adding a trigger to all the hats in the game but cool that it will work if I want to do it.

[lucid iron]

modding is generally minimal crew no budget

[teal bridge]

Speaking in relative terms of course, obviously none of those mods are a literal fulltime job.

[lucid iron]

i understand the relative comparision tho

so where does the logistics mod go

[teal bridge]

Good question. Complexity wise it might very well end up at the same level as Star Control.

[brittle pasture]

you can use category_hat if you don't care what the hat is

[teal bridge]

The math/algorithms hurt my brain. And the UI was barely even a prototype.

[latent mauve]

^ That's what I just did to test

category_hat

[lucid iron]

was it a lot of set theory

[teal bridge]

Whole lot more than I remember from school, anyway.

[reef kiln]

Nice

[teal bridge]

I think I did solve the problem, for some reasonable value of "solved", although that was just the basic element, there's still all the real work that has to go around it, like how to properly group and preserve all the different object attributes, what to do about art and assets (for which some might actually be required), how to work it into the game progression, all the more conventional "modding" stuff beyond "creating a rollercoaster tycoon minigame".

So you can see why it got knocked down to the bottom of the list.

[latent mauve]

It's interesting that the Trimmed Lucky Purple Shorts don't go into a dresser even though they are wearable xD

(one of my co-op players reported it as a possible bug with my mod, but, uh, it happens even without my mod when I just tested)

[brave fable]

technically they're a quest item i suppose that takes priority

[brittle pasture]

yeah it's not a clothing item, it's an Object that happens to be wearable

[latent mauve]

Yep, just glad I can confirm it's not my bug/not a bug at all. 😄

[sharp agate]

desert expansion update completed try it and let me know if there are any bugs https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/31595?tab=description

[brave fable]

i want you both to know i was right and fifo is absolutely not stack model

[gentle rose]

isn't FILO a queue and FIFO a stack?

[lucid iron]

im begining to have self doubt

[brave fable]

first in last out? in a queue?

[gentle rose]

wait no, other way around

lmao

[lucid iron]

enricher+unlimit chests is a stack

[brave fable]

the last person to join the queue is the first person to be served???

[gentle rose]

now you guys are confusing me too

depends how loud they are tbh

[brittle pasture]

this thread is making me doubt my shriveled memories of intro CS classes

[gentle rose]

yeah, it's the other way around, brain is mush

[brave fable]

how dare you mush brains make me doubt myself

[calm nebula]

Please, fifo is a linked list

[gentle rose]

filo pastry is also kind of a stack

atra,,,,

[brave fable]

true...

the pastry not the linked list

[gentle rose]

are you saying true to me or--

counterpoint: doubly-linked list

aka how I terrorised my lecturers in every practical assignment

[calm nebula]

Too many linked lists

[tawny ore]

What about Schrödinger's Chest, you can put items in it, but they are simultaneously there or not, and you don't know until you observe.

[uncut viper]

back when json shuffle was a thing that was just the default between play sessions

[gentle rose]

float chest. You store IDs as a series of decimal numbers with each slot being four decimal places. You compare equality and hope for the best

[brittle pasture]

isn't this already the case if you mess up mutexes

[calm nebula]

Button! You're pink!

[brave fable]

stupid crossword..

[uncut viper]

atra you literally talked to me in pink mode last night

[tawny ore]

Actually the JSON Shuffle chest would be a fun mechanic. Feed it items, but what comes back out may or may not be the same thing.

[calm nebula]

Button, I spent 15 minutes on a stairmaster last night

I do not think you could say I was in my right mind

15 minutes on a stairmaster. Then rowing machine, then I tried to run sprints on a treadmill in my weightlifting shoes

[lucid mulch]

ugh theres still map properties that people like timechanged on 😦

[calm nebula]

You need to make a dynamic lights framework, sinZ

[lucid mulch]

I kinda want to revisit the concept of "sub assets" again to find a way to have content patcher be able to do the map property edits independently to the actual map

[tawny ore]

Sounds like you need an optimization mod that just rewrite other's mods when they are loaded

[calm nebula]

I think we could get somewhere if we hand optimize tmxtile

[tawny ore]

Just call it SpriteMaster, that's in scope for what that mod does (whatever it wants, whenever it feels like) /s

[lucid mulch]

you will always have some pain with .tmx files because you have to read one xml format and then do very expensive mutations to get it to be xtile's data structure

.tbin avoids some of those problems but doesn't solve the edits themselves

[calm nebula]

Yeah

[lucid iron]

Dynamic lights framework

[gentle rose]

I have always wondered about tile properties through content packs actually

[lucid iron]

I made it kind of

[gentle rose]

we should probably add a note to the wiki(s) actually explaining that doing tile properties via content patcher can have a performance cost actually, because some people do literally all their tile properties like that even when not necessary

[lucid iron]

It's gsq on lights but my update rate is equivalent to player enters map, need to hold the light ref somewhere for equiv of time changed

[hard fern]

Ive been stalking that performance issue thread in modfed tech bc i got invested in the saga

[lucid iron]

I do this (edit me map props in cp) because it's easier to manage

But would having a whole tmx for 1 map prop be better

[calm nebula]

It's not edit on CP problem

The problem is time changed edits on maps

[lucid iron]

It seems strange to me if true

Yeah I don't do that at least

[calm nebula]

It doesn't matter what you do, time changed edits are the problem with maps

[gentle rose]

not for one map prop, but I think some people leave them off of their maps then re-add them later

[lucid mulch]

LocationChanged can be just as bad, but the black screen hides some of the pain

[gentle rose]

if you already have a tmx, they may as well be in it

[hard fern]

What if you changed something every 10 minutes in-game

[lucid iron]

Does CP do things like only EditMap if player is about to enter it

Would that fly

[gentle rose]

it could probably be a gsq combined with onlocationchange?

[lucid mulch]

1. multiplayer
2. npcs are still walking around with their schedules and care about warps and terrain being correct

[lucid iron]

See i specifically do like

1-2 tile edits with tile changes in cp

But not on time changed or anything

[calm nebula]

Yeah, CP doesn't have the idea to only edit assets if people are on the map

Same issue with appearances before 1.6 tnh

[gentle rose]

as always, CP's potential for crime is lacking

[lucid iron]

https://github.com/Mushymato/MiscMapActionsProperties/blob/main/[CP] Krikos Greenhouse/data/construct.json#L3

I just didn't want to deal with making a tmx tho

[calm nebula]

See but if you change warps or terrain during the day gl have fun with schedules lol

[lucid mulch]

the previous sin was wanting to change the music for night or whatever, but we got that out of the map and into Data/Locations for this reason

[gentle rose]

I do wish map properties as a whole were stored in a model separate from the maps themselves because, well, why not

[calm nebula]

Eh, that would be data/locations

Most map properties make sense as map props

[lucid mulch]

I think I could get away with it if CP is the only editor, but if a not-cp mod edited the map too then I'm kinda screwed

[calm nebula]

Yeah

[gentle rose]

not tile properties (though maybe?) but if map properties were separate you'd be able to edit them without editing the map each time which may well not be necessary. Though ig like you said, a lot of them are inherently attached to the map

also true

[lucid iron]

And i was under impression that deserializing tmx sucks

[gentle rose]

I forget about non-CP mods editing assets despite the fact I exclusively write C# mods lmao

[lucid iron]

Map properties aren't separate but really it's on the framework person to use location custom data if they can

[lucid mulch]

everything about maps sucks.
editing a map property isn't too bad, but the act of doing so causes the load and all the other edits to happen

[lucid iron]

Tile props go on tile for practical reasons

Being able to see where stuff goes in Tiled is just very useful

Can also associate them with tile instead of coord

[calm nebula]

So, anywyas

You doing the cache mod for asset loading?

That should be fine tbh

[lucid mulch]

my previous attempt at caching maps was a mixed bag so I don't know if I want to try it again or not

[calm nebula]

I meant images lol

[lucid mulch]

oh for images I just have it in smapi currently.

https://github.com/Pathoschild/SMAPI/compare/develop...SinZ163:SMAPI:optimization/modfile-io

its a non-generic method so I could externalize it into its own mod without too much problems, but if it can be in smapi instead and just add a config option or reload command or something instead, thats preferrable

[calm nebula]

Ship it, lol

[gentle rose]

anyway I'm going to go either sleep or make a stupid balatro hand calculator in python, seeya

[calm nebula]

So balatro calculator, eh?

[wet folio]

When creating a new mod based on an old abandoned mod, is it ok to call it x 2 or x Updated?

[lucid iron]

depends on how much code u r sharing with the old mod

[lucid mulch]

UiInfoSuite2 comes to mind, and I've lost count of how many "x Redux" I've seen

[tawny ore]

Or you can just reimagine it and name it something unique

[calm nebula]

Your seo is better if you don't though lol

It's fine

[wet folio]

kk, makes sense. Similar concept but basically a rewrite

[gentle rose]

for once I might actually pick sleep

[uncut viper]

if someone made a mod that was a similar concept to mine but didnt actually use anything from mine, and called it "My Mod 2", i would be annoyed, personally

[gentle rose]

I'd leave the x2s and reduxes etc to if you're actually basing it off the other mod in a substantial way

[wet folio]

gotcha, i was worried about not giving them enough contribution

[tawny ore]

Most of my mods are so generically named, that I wouldn't blame anyone for reusing the name if they have the same difficulty with creatively naming things as I do

[lucid mulch]

I have Profiler, and then SSS, SSSS, SSS and I think SSS

[uncut viper]

if i didnt have anything to do with the other mod i wouldnt want my name attached as i wouldnt want to be associated with something without my choice

and calling it "Mod 2" does kind of imply an attachment to the previous iteration

[gentle rose]

as a user, if something is using those naming conventions, I'd expect my way of interacting with both mods to be the same for the most part, too

[tawny ore]

Gonna call mine METAS where the M stands for Matt instead of Buttons

[lucid iron]

so what is ur mod / mod u r updating

[wet folio]

Shipping tracker

[uncut viper]

genuinely 100x better than "Buttons Extra Trigger Actions 2"

[lusty elm]

hmmm I didnt expect to be doing pixelart for this greenhouse mod, but here i am.

[tawny ore]

LeFauxExtraTriggerActions

[gentle rose]

MBETAS - Matt's Button's Extra Trigger Actions /lh

[tawny ore]

m'BETAS

https://tenor.com/view/lady-now-frog-gif-18339961427957968272

[calm nebula]

Yeah, Shipping Tracker 2 is fine

[lucid iron]

what does Shipping tracker 1 look like

[lucid mulch]

Just retronym it and call it ALPHAS or GAMMAS

[uncut viper]

unless the person who made the original comes back and updates it if they feel like it, and then they get people asking them "why should i use this instead of Shipping Tracker 2?"

[wet folio]

(The original) doesnt have a UI in game, you have to take the CSV and put it into a website

[uncut viper]

or just writing it off bc 2 > 1

[tawny ore]

I'd think the name Shipping Tracker is one of those ones that generic enough that it's hard to describe the same thing in a lot of different ways. So the only way you can get away from the name is to get a bit cute with it.

Like instead of calling it Shipping Tracker, call it "What did I ship?"

[lucid mulch]

Make it an interactable thing in the world and call it Immersive Shipping Tracker

[uncut viper]

(ftr im not saying Shipping Tracker is a unique name either i just am specifically talking about the idea of adding the "2" at the end)

[tawny ore]

Or NAST, Not Another Shipping Tracker

What could Y mean... then it could be NASTY

[wet folio]

Hmm, i handt thought about ways to interact with it as a game object

[lucid mulch]

Add a config for the nerds that can't handle immersion and give them the keybind back

[gentle rose]

Not Another Shipping Tracker, Yay

[wet folio]

How about talking to an NPC that wonders around randomly?

[tawny ore]

Track Your Shipments (TYS)

In the SDV modding world, making something abbreviatable is another one of those meta things

[lucid iron]

well u can just add the button in the shipping bin

to open ur special menu

[tawny ore]

Since canonically, the Mayor is who picks up your shipments, it can be something in his house

Like a notepad or something

At least I'm pretty sure that's the case

[brave fable]

we're really quite behind the times. any self-respecting software service would name itself Shipee or Shippd in this era

[brittle pasture]

that's so 5 years ago
now you add AI or GPT

[lucid mulch]

If it was my mod I would have an event early on with Lewis about this service you can buy, and once you've bought it you can place it in your house or farm or whatever to check the status

[brittle pasture]

ShipGPT

[tawny ore]

PTPS Pelican Town Parcel Service

[wet folio]

Stardew Accounting and Shipping Stats (SASS)

[calm nebula]

Please

[tawny ore]

That's a good one

[lucid iron]

say will u offer alternate views

[calm nebula]

No

I beg you

[brave fable]

please don't bring up accounting in my relaxing chat

[calm nebula]

No SASS.

[lucid iron]

let me write sql in it

gib jupyter note book it ll be great

[uncut viper]

Stardew Coinkeeping and Shipping Stats?

[royal stump]

releasing some new gsqs as Stardew Query Library

[gentle rose]

jupyter notebook is my solution to most things

[calm nebula]

Oh, good news

I misremembered

[uncut viper]

im disappointed i didnt go with this, now

[calm nebula]

The software I hate is named "SAS"

[gentle rose]

oh. I thought you were talking about scss lmao

[brittle pasture]

same

[lucid iron]

what would a stardew mod acronymed POSTGRES do

[brittle pasture]

https://sass-lang.com

[wet folio]

Ah yeah, that would be annoying to google

[calm nebula]

Anyways

[brave fable]

you're really pushing the definition of a backronym here

[calm nebula]

Let's get back on topoc

[lucid mulch]

Storage overhaul mod

[calm nebula]

That is a pretty good interface

The mod looks nice

[brave fable]

the functionality comes after the acronym..

[calm nebula]

Scalloping it "Shipping Tracker" is fine

[lucid mulch]

Build a vault building that you can make filters and queries to access your contents easily

[tawny ore]

From now on all my mod decisions will start from a random abbreviation, then I have to figure out what it does

[lucid iron]

yea please pay no mind to the scope creep racoons in this channel

[gentle rose]

Pelican Original Stardrop Transportation and General Resource Enhancement System

[lucid iron]

you dont have to do any of this stuff, unless you want

[calm nebula]

Great plan! I wxpect to see it on my desk on Tuesday

[wet folio]

Its early in the project, the sky's the limit

[brittle pasture]

still missed opportunty not naming my mod EMACS

[wet folio]

Couple other screens

[lucid iron]

i do think it'd be nice if u use the season icons instead of "Spring"

those are just in game and they r nice

[tawny ore]

You're absolutely right though, what Stardew Needs is more SQL

[lucid mulch]

My game coming up to 1.6 launch was figuring out how to describe my mod using only words beginning with S

[lucid iron]

the other gripe is perhaps draw ur bars thicker for readability

[tawny ore]

I'm going to make a storage mod that just replaces all chests with a database that you interact with in a CLI interface

[gentle rose]

I'd say add the season icons, don't replace the words entirely. I still get confused about which icon is which sometimes

[tawny ore]

SELECT * FROM chest WHERE item LIKE '%bar' AND quality = 4

[hard fern]

I thought this was making-acronyms-general

[lucid mulch]

With few exceptions mods are nothing without their acronyms

[gentle rose]

SELECT * FROM chest LEFT JOIN--

[tawny ore]

DELETE FROM CHEST *

[lucid iron]

it better be ACID or im boycotting it

[tawny ore]

TRUNCATE chest

[gentle rose]

DROP TABLE chest

[lucid mulch]

Select into insert

[gentle rose]

little bobby tables time

[tawny ore]

I'll protect the chests by using string interpolation and input forms like 90s internet.

[lucid mulch]

I expect geospatial column support for telling me where the item is, and doing geospatial queries to tell me the items within 5 tiles of my iron ore

[tawny ore]

I want to look for the item "; DROP chest;

[lucid mulch]

Also I need stored procs that can run when changes occur

[tawny ore]

Show me " OR 1=1

[gentle rose]

my name from now on is "; INSERT INTO chest VALUES 'prismatic shard'; --

I can't remember sql injection syntax ngl

[lucid mulch]

You could even release an ORM companion mod to make interacting with POSTGRES mod easier

[tawny ore]

Here I am having a hard time trying to think of a user-friendly interface, when I should really just make things unfriendly but without any limits

Instead of a UI, the mod just lets you run arbitrary C# code

[gentle rose]

I do remember you need to finish it with the start of an sql comment though I'm pretty sure

[lucid iron]

ChestCode

[lucid mulch]

Iirc one of the popular JavaScript orms is already called Prisma which you can definitely play off

[brittle pasture]

isnt that already button's thing

[gentle rose]

console code was already one of my favourite mods in 1.5 lmao

[brittle pasture]

or that lol

[tawny ore]

If I'm going to make a Chest code mod, I have to add ML for maximum trendiness. ChestML

[gentle rose]

literally let you write arbitrary c# into the smapi console. It was fantastic

[lucid iron]

button isnt arbitrary C# code its some set of IL iirc

[lucid mulch]

Profiler already allows arbitrary harmony patches via content pack for what it's worth

[lucid iron]

that betas harmony on content pack behalf

wow cant believe this thing is two cakes

forsaken timeline this one

[lucid mulch]

I had it back in 1.5.6 so I expect royalties from button any day now

[uncut viper]

can Profiler let a content pack change the result of int.Parse but only if its Spring 4 and rainy, though

[lucid mulch]

No but it can make that method never raise an exception

[uncut viper]

it sounds like you've got a cake and ive got a pie

[tawny ore]

And I've got a Sandwich

[gentle rose]

guys, there's no need to fight. let's just use both for maximal curse-ness

[lucid iron]

what is the usecase for this profiler feature actually

i cant say i ever delve deep into it

[lucid mulch]

For the last year of 1.5.6 I couldn't actually play stardew on my save without profiler eating exceptions for me as FTM was causing critical exceptions every frame in monster behaviour code that I told profiler to make it disappear

The suppression functionality wasn't the original usecase it was for logging when the exception happened with the existing functionality to log a method argument, instance property or field when it happened.

[gentle rose]

huh, no recent new activity in the mod ideas repo

-# hint hint

[lucid mulch]

So if you get an NRE during schedule load or whatever I could tell you which npc or something that caused the fire

I don't remember the original example it came in handy for, but it was in the SVE discord and the channel it was in afaik got nuked as I couldn't search for it anymore

[calm nebula]

Make me a tomato cake mod

[gentle rose]

put that in the mod ideas repo and maybe somebody will

but also if any of you want to take on any ideas...

[lucid mulch]

I'm still waiting for sunberry village to release before actually playing 1.6 myself.

I didn't originally intend on not playing for 11 months but Ah well

[tawny ore]

I mean technically it was possible with this mod https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/14775

[brave fable]

not sure if they're what you want, but the game has preformatted localised strings for dates:

WorldDate date = WorldDate.ForDaysPlayed(daysPlayed);
string style1 = Utility.getDateStringFor(date.DayOfMonth, date.SeasonIndex, date.Year);
string style2 = SDate.From(date).ToLocaleString();

[gentle rose]

https://github.com/StardewModders/mod-ideas/issues?q=is%3Aissue state%3Aopen sort%3Aupdated-desc label%3A"diff%3A very hard"

there's always the Challenge Mode (aka the "very hard" filter)

[tawny ore]

UHVM Ultra Very Hard Mode

[gentle rose]

not everything in this filter should really still be labelled very hard tbh but hey, until you guys prove it otherwise, everything with that label is beyond the abilities of stardew modders

I am exempt because reasons and also stop asking questions

[brave fable]

i'm very sure those deserve the Very Hard tag lol

[gentle rose]

I think at least one may be able to be bumped down to Hard now, from what I can tell

[calm nebula]

Your not gonna nerdsnupe me lol

[tawny ore]

How about a 24 Hours of Mod Ideas challenge. See how many mod ideas could be built in 24 hours.

You get more points for picking ones labelled hard.

[gentle rose]

that is genuinely a good idea

[lusty elm]

Huh, MY hobo mod idea is still up there, I forgot about that, we had a team set to do it at one point then it fell apart

[lucid mulch]

One of my 1.6 launch mods is one of those by accident

[tawny ore]

What I like about 24 Hours of Mod Ideas is that you could call it 24 HOMI

[gentle rose]

okay yeah some of these mod ideas could definitely be moved down from the very hard difficulty at some point lmao

[tawny ore]

Bonus points if it's compatible with Android

[lucid mulch]

Tbh if I cared enough I would make my mod not compatible with android just to avoid the troubleshooting headaches

[lucid iron]

https://github.com/StardewModders/mod-ideas/issues/697

isnt this a gmcm feature

[tawny ore]

2021, GMCM probably wasn't as ubiquitous then

It took awhile for GMCM to pick up steam

[lucid iron]

yea true, worth an updoot now tho

[brave fable]

there's a comment on the issue specifically saying why it is and is not a gmcm feature

[uncut viper]

there is not

[gentle rose]

I think the comment is on the other gmcm-related Very Hard issue

there are two of them

[brave fable]

ah. there are two of them

[lucid iron]

this is night owl sorta right https://github.com/StardewModders/mod-ideas/issues/433

[gentle rose]

does gmcm have a page that shows all the current keybinds?

[tawny ore]

Yes

[lucid iron]

its the keyboard button

[gentle rose]

nice, will mark as complete then

[lucid iron]

hard to notice tbh i didnt know for a long time until casey one day was like

"im updating the keybind menu so that the field names are shorter"

[tawny ore]

Technically it's only for mods that are using GMCM, so if they have a keybind without using GMCM then it wouldn't be listed there

[lucid iron]

https://github.com/StardewModders/mod-ideas/issues/481 market day + market town

ig day is borked rn but town should be fine

https://github.com/StardewModders/mod-ideas/issues/646 this is a whole ass expansion

[gentle rose]

it would be impractical to do it for all mods though because you'd have to try to find every keyboard listener, so I think this is as close as it gets

if you guys find anything else, leave a comment on the issue with a link to the mod that does it and I'll close it if it qualifies

[tawny ore]

You could patch SMAPI's Input events and track whatever mod is suppressing

[uncut viper]

suppresion isnt always used for keybind purposes, though

also how would you know what the purpose of the suppression was

[tawny ore]

You know what else hasn't been done in a bit, scanning the mod compatibility list for broken mods that now have an alternative

[lucid iron]

what is suppressing in this context

[tawny ore]

That was a fun post-1.6 exercise to game the %

[gentle rose]

I think atra is helping maintain the mod compat list now?

[uncut viper]

you can suppress an input to prevent the vanilla game from realizing it happened in the ButtonPressed event or input event or w/e

[lusty elm]

Thoughts?

[hard fern]

I like it

[calm nebula]

I'm just reviewing PRs

[gentle rose]

ah, fair enough

I still nominate you though

[latent mauve]

Waiting for it to populate on the Nexus home page before I add it to the showcase, but Laundry Machines is now live!

[calm nebula]

Matt, you do it lol

[tawny ore]

Laundry Machines makes me want a mod that allows clothes to get dirty

Dirty Clothes

[hard fern]

What about a mod that makes your shoes get dirty, and they lose their buff if they do so you have to wash them

[latent mauve]

My original plan was to just have it check for your spouse's closest approximate clothing item and have that be produced instead

But every clothing item randomized was easier 😛

[tawny ore]

Like what if your farmer got dirty, and you actually had to change clothes or else people would comment how stinky you are

[lucid iron]

smoll greenhouse

[tawny ore]

First is the smoll greenhouse, next is the swoll greenhouse

[latent mauve]

I should add dialogue in the future if you purchase a laundry machine.

That's a problem for future me.

[tawny ore]

I'm pretty sure the game already has dialogue for that stinky prank, so a Dirty Clothes mod could reuse that

[lucid iron]

i thought thats RSV

[hard fern]

It was

Wasn't it?

[tawny ore]

Oh is it? I just remember reading it

[hard fern]

Where keahi pranks you, and the villagers all hate you because you're stinky

[lucid iron]

one of the kids stink bomb u

[latent mauve]

Could also create lore for how the random clothes keep appearing in your machine every day when you didn't own the clothing before. (The junimos are sneaking it in probably)

[tawny ore]

Underwear Gnomes Junimos

https://tenor.com/view/phase1-collect-underpants-gnome-south-park-phase2-gif-22089237

[lusty elm]

Each of those portals is going to lead to a greenhouse interior that is locked to a season and designed to be an indoor to mimic outdoors, that i am aiming at roughly 40x50 each, I'm hoping to add seasonal forage, the 3 areas of fish to each season, all that yada yada