making-mods-general

[teal bridge]

Image sizes/alignment, headings, that sort of thing. Markdown-ish features. Inferior to Markdown but still better than the ancient vBulletin Lada.

[gaunt orbit]

new vs old main page. notice how you can't even see the entire hot mods section from the top of the page

[teal bridge]

Some implementations even allow you to write HTML and just sanitize it. Those crazy 2012-era devs!

[fading walrus]

It would make me so happy if they'd just implement markdown

[fading walrus]

my main quibble with this is that there is way too much dead space

[lucid iron]

Where did they put 🔔

Is top bar same

[teal bridge]

White space is the best thing ever now, haven't you heard

[gaunt orbit]

yeah top bar is the same, sorry, didn't mean to crop it out

[teal bridge]

Your UI needs to breathe like your skin needs to breathe

[fading walrus]

it looks like a website designed specifically for old square monitors with no scaling for wider screens

[old edge]

Hello

[uncut viper]

i don't like the new page for viewing your own mods/a users mods either because unless I missed an option I can't see my UDLs at a glance anymore, just total DLs

[gaunt orbit]

yeah exactly. the game banner there makes it obvious what game you're looking at, but it takes up so much real estate, and the top bar already says what game you're on, sooooo

I think if they got rid of that and tightened up the margins a little, it would look a lot better

[lucid iron]

Seems fixable with browser plugins at least

I hate it less than new reddit

[gaunt orbit]

still there on mod pages

[lucid iron]

Or ig thats also old now, making what i use old old reddit

[uncut viper]

I meant like when you click your profile on the top right and go to My Mods

the big grid of your own mods

[gaunt orbit]

oh right, the little cards would list it, wouldn't they

[uncut viper]

not anymore

[gaunt orbit]

yeah they still do

unique/total

[uncut viper]

they list just the total DLs

Unless they changed it literally while I slept

I'm not at my desktop right now so I can't check again

[gaunt orbit]

unique and total downloads are grouped together like they were before, at the bottom of the card, separated with a /

[uncut viper]

yeah when I looked last night it was just the total

[gaunt orbit]

huh, weird

oh! it looks like they added a button for the new analytics page finally

it shows total and unique downloads across all of your mods, month-by-month and overall

[lucid iron]

I thought thats been there for ages

Since they hid the udl on ur donation points

[meager loom]

Is it possible to have a When condition for percentage chance? I'm trying to have like

"When": {
                "DayOfWeek": "Sunday",
                "Random:": "10"
            }

But obviously that doesn't work. Anyone know any way?

[lucid iron]

It depends on what u r doing

Might be better way than using when

[meager loom]

I have a cart which I want to have a low chance to appear on a vanilla map so I'm using mapedit

[lucid iron]

Ok when is correct, you need to do it with a query i think

[uncut viper]

alright, dont know if they actually did swap it back or what but my mod page in the beta is indeed back to normal-ish. but last night it was for sure different bc the thumbnails were all much larger and showed 4 per row instead of 3 and didnt show UDLs. dunno what happened to that version of the page

[lucid iron]

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/tokens.md#query-expressions

[patent lance]

@hallow prism: remember to do the github thing you forgot about, uber pls (30h ago)

[meager loom]

I'm not sure on there where I would make a percentage chance

[lucid iron]

"query: {{Random:{{Range:1,10}}}} = 10"

I think

The attempt here is "pick 1 number from 1 to 10, and check if it equals 10"

[meager loom]

ChatGPT was trying to do that too but it couldn't get the formatting correct lol I'll give it a shot

[lucid iron]

!chatgptcode

[ocean sail]

Please stop trying to get ChatGPT to write your C# mods for you, especially if you don't know how to write C#. It won't work without heavy editing, and it wastes everyone's time.

Large language models fundamentally are reguritating something from their input—which is roughly speaking, the written output of humanity up until 2021 or so, for ChatGPT. For specific, niche topics like "is this framework going to do what I want" or "which things does Game1.cs have access to", it probably has no idea! But it's good at detecting that people in the past have....said things about frameworks and written things in C#, so it does its best to assemble words and symbols into a nice order for you. Sometimes it tells you true things, and sometimes it tells you false things, and if you can't detect when, you're in trouble. When you're writing code, this usually produces garbage, because you can't be "sort of similar", you have to be exactly correct or it won't work.

To use this command, type !chatgptcode.

[lucid iron]

Need this for content too tbh chatgpt doesn't know shit

Sdv modding is just too niche for llm atm

[meager loom]

It honeslty helps me a lot with modding just couldn't get this one. That's definitely true for stardew stuff speicifcally but I tend to use it for general stuff more. I actually found Claude to be better for code and modding in general tho

[ivory plume]

You can simplify and optimize a bit:

// choose a random number between 1 and 10 inclusively, and check if the chosen number is 10
"Random: 1, 10": 10

You can also check multiple numbers to have different percentages, like...

// choose a random number between 1 and 10 inclusively, and check if the chosen number is 9 or 10
"Random: 1, 10": "9, 10"

[lucid iron]

Oh hm is 2 number args to random a special case

I was under impression that it'd pick 1 OR 10

[ivory plume]

Nope. You can use any token arguments in a When; basically it's the same format as a token but without the {{}}.

[meager loom]

Oh wow, Pathos himself answering my stupid question lol. Thank you!!!!!

[lucid iron]

Yeah i understand that bit, it is just that with string random on docs it is like Random: hood, jacket, raincoat to pick one of 3 strings

So i thought i needed the Range

[tawny ore]

The new layout looks like it puts more emphasis on Collections. It's got some prime real estate on the screen that loads for me based on my monitor resolution.

[ivory plume]

Oops, yeah. So it should be:

// choose a random number between 1 and 10 inclusively, and check if the chosen number is 10
"Random: {{Range:1, 10}}": 10

[meager loom]

Can you specify a range for the value as well or just the key?

[uncut viper]

(as a reminder in case you were unaware, if you do continue to try and use it for Stardew modding, the mods you create with it are not allowed to be posted or promoted in this server, as per the rules pinned in #modded-stardew)

[ivory plume]

You can use Range anywhere tokens are valid, including When values. So you could do this:

// choose a random number between 1 and 10 inclusively, and check if the chosen number is between 1 and 5
"Random: {{Range:1, 10}}": "{{Range: 1, 5}}"

[meager loom]

Gotcha, I mean yeah I just ask basic questions to figure how to do stuff like json formatting and stuff but I'll figure something else out sure

[velvet narwhal]

yeah they've cut us one less hotmod spot and i am not happy with this

[meager loom]

Sweet, thank you for the help

[hallow prism]

does someone has an example of how alex adress/name his grandpa in dialogue/event?

i did a quick search and found the one for evelyn, but not george

(according to reddit this means that alex hates george or something)

[latent mauve]

i think Gramps was said once? I can recheck.

[velvet narwhal]

"Fri4": "Hey, @. I'm glad you stopped by.#$e#I'm not ashamed to say that I love my grandma!#$e#Now Grandpa, on the other hand...#$e#Just kidding.$h",

[hallow prism]

thanks 😄 i found grams for his grandma in another line

[ivory plume]

(Random fun fact: you can arbitrarily nest token arguments.)

// choose two random numbers, then choose a random number between those, then check if the chosen number is 42
"Random: {{Range: {{Random: {{Range:1, 40}}}}, {{Random: {{Range: 40, 100}}}}}}": 42

[meager loom]

That's cursed 😂

[lucid iron]

Reimplementing fish rng in cp tokens

[velvet narwhal]

i feel like sinz explained this arcane nesting to me and i've forgotten the core of what it did

[hallow prism]

(this is what i meant the other day with me not always searching the right word, i tried various variations of grandpa, and apparently missed grandpa somehow)

[latent mauve]

Okay, yeah, it's just Grandpa in the line I was remembering

[velvet narwhal]

he does say grams

[latent mauve]

He does use Grams for Evelyn though

Just noticed you said that earlier when I was looking LOL

[hallow prism]

that's ok 😄

[meager loom]

Does anyone know if there's a way to tie a message like "The Bookseller is in town!" to these When conditions? So like if my cart edit happens, it would also display a message to the player? It doesn't seem like there's a particularly easy way to do it but I'm still learning how to dig through the docs properly

[hallow prism]

maybe with spacecore

otherwise it's C#

[uncut viper]

avi told you spacecore can do that earlier

[meager loom]

Gotcha I'm assuming that's gonna be beyond my skill level so maybe I wait for that haha

[lucid iron]

No spacecore just has a trigger action for it

[uncut viper]

spacecore just adds a trigger action action for a hud message

[meager loom]

Yah it was just super late, wanted to see if anyone else had other ideas as I couldn't figure out spacecore

[lucid iron]

It not above your skill level cus u just need to put some letters in the right places

You do need to use a key'd random tho

[hallow prism]

i don't think it's above your skill level, maybe your current focus/ability to process

[uncut viper]

or a locationchanged conditional patch

[wanton pebble]

Spacecore stuff is not above a content patcher modder's skill level

Source: me

[hallow prism]

but i don't think asking again will provide an illumination, it's ok to wait and return to stuff later

[meager loom]

I mean I know some basica JS but that's about it haha

[wanton pebble]

Well, good news

[hallow prism]

i don't 😄

[wanton pebble]

You need zero Javascript or C# experience

Spacecore has docs on how to use in content patcher

[meager loom]

Yeah, that's my bad it was like 4am when I asked that so I just wanted to see if there was more options cuz I've had it happen before

I'll dig through spacecore again for a bit and see if I can find the right part

[wanton pebble]

Just remember not to look at the code and instead look at the docs

Casey's stuff is pretty well doc'd, and you can ask us questions

[meager loom]

Seems like I need this spacechase0.SpaceCore_ShowHudMessage "message goes here" optionalQualifiedItemIdForIcon I just need to figure out how to tie it to my content patcher event

[wanton pebble]

Oh you're using that?

Feel free to crib from DNR

I use that

[hallow prism]

(i don't think they'll see what is DNR out of context)

[wanton pebble]

Date Night Redux

[hallow prism]

thanks 😄 i was searching what it could be and was like "not the breakfast one, there's no B"

[meager loom]

You're saying that mod does the same thing?

[hallow prism]

it has examples for you to look at

[wanton pebble]

It uses the hud message system to give date reminders

It doesn't do whatever you're doing unless what you're doing is exactly that. But it uses that and as Lumi said gives examples

[meager loom]

Sweet Ill give it a download and see if I can find something relavent

thanks for the help yall appreciate it

[wanton pebble]

Np

[deep cypress]

Getting a collection modified error with this:

 for (int i = farmhouse.characters.Count - 1; i >= 0; i--)
 {
     if (farmhouse.characters[i] == __instance)
     {
         farmhouse.characters.RemoveAt(i);
     }
 }

This is the game's vanilla code for doving kids, am trying to make it so you can give an item to a kid to dove exactly one kid.

[lucid iron]

You don't need a loop for that do you

[deep cypress]

Of note, even if I take it out of the loop, and just do farmhouse.characters.Remove(__instance), it still makes the collection error

[lucid iron]

Since it's just 1 kid

Post full error then it sounds like something else

[deep cypress]

Is this because I am in the farmhouse?

[game] An error occurred in the base update loop: InvalidOperationException: Collection was modified; enumeration operation may not execute.
at StardewValley.GameLocation.checkAction(Location tileLocation, Rectangle viewport, Farmer who) in D:\GitlabRunner\builds\Gq5qA5P4\0\ConcernedApe\stardewvalley\Farmer\Farmer\Locations\GameLocation.cs:line 8035
at StardewValley.Locations.FarmHouse.checkAction_PatchedBy<ApryllForever.PolyamorySweetRooms>(FarmHouse this, Location tileLocation, Rectangle viewport, Farmer who)
at StardewValley.Game1.<>c__DisplayClass925_0.<tryToCheckAt>b__0()
at StardewValley.Game1.tryToCheckAt(Vector2 grabTile, Farmer who)
at StardewValley.Game1.pressActionButton(KeyboardState currentKBState, MouseState currentMouseState, GamePadState currentPadState)
at StardewValley.Game1.<>c__DisplayClass978_0.<UpdateControlInput>b__0()
at StardewValley.Game1.UpdateControlInput(GameTime time)
at StardewValley.Game1._update(GameTime gameTime)
at StardewValley.Game1.Update(GameTime gameTime)
at StardewModdingAPI.Framework.SCore.OnPlayerInstanceUpdating(SGame instance, GameTime gameTime, Action runUpdate)

[rigid oriole]

in some langs you can't remove elements from something ur currently iterating thru

i'd guess C# is the sme

althought you aren't using a foreach loop or anything which is where i'd expect that error

what's your whole harmony patch?

[winter dust]

With most of my NPC woes out of the way I should be able to continue updating Garden Village and get a working version ready for my next WTDR update. Who knows.

At least NPC creation is slightly easier than back in SDV 1.4.

[deep cypress]

Even this causes the error, no loops:

     FarmHouse farmhouse = Utility.getHomeOfFarmer(who);
     farmhouse.characters.Remove(__instance);

The whole patch works fine without this, lemme put the whole patch in a code paste site, hold on'

[proud wyvern]

is this literally all you have? or is it inside some kind of loop

[rigid oriole]

it says ur patching gamelocation, so wouldn't __instance be a GameLocation? you can't remove that from a list of characters

[calm nebula]

If you put your sprites in his location you can just reuse his sprites

[deep cypress]

Instance is Child, the patch is patching Child.CheckAction

[rigid oriole]

ok cause the error is at GameLocation.checkAction

[calm nebula]

Check Action is doing. The iteration

[rigid oriole]

ohhh and then the Child.CheckAction gets called in the iteration of the farmhouse characters?

so it is concurrent modification

[calm nebula]

I would just use Delayed Action to kick back one tick yeah

It's fussy doing harmony

[rigid oriole]

that's a niche bug

[calm nebula]

You have to not only know what your code is doing

But what the game is doing

[meager loom]

Okay I see they're adding their reminder like this

{
    "LogName": "Date Reminders (Needs SpaceCore installed)",
    "Action": "EditData",
    "Target": "Data/TriggerActions",
    "Entries": {
        
        //Saloon Date Reminder
        "{{ModId}}_SaloonReminder": {
            "Id": "{{ModId}}_SaloonReminder",
            "Trigger": "Manual",                
            "Condition": "PLAYER_HAS_MAIL Current saloonDateAgree, !LOCATION_NAME Here Saloon, !IS_EVENT 1116010",
            "HostOnly": false, 
            "Action": "spacechase0.SpaceCore_ShowHudMessage \"{{i18n:SaloonReminder |Date={{Date}} }}\" (O)206",
        },
}

But I'm not finding how to add a trigger like their "saloonDateAgree" to a content patcher edit to actually use in the Conditional key

[calm nebula]

(I wouldn't consider it a niche bug)

[deep cypress]

Kick the Ticks, here we go!!!!!!!!!!

[calm nebula]

Just part of the awareness you need for harmony to not kick you

[calm nebula]

Pathos what say you about a CP ternary

The more I use LocalTokens the more.....

[deep cypress]

YES!!!!!!!!! Thank you Dr MathPerson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wanton pebble]

What's your edit you want to trigger it off of

[teal bridge]

What was the reason for not changing mod unique IDs again, even after a major version update? I'm sure it was a good reason, just can't remember it.

[tribal ore]

You'd make another trigger action that sets the mailFlag "yourFlagName". Then you can check that mailflag later

You could also set a conversation topic with a specific number of days, if you instead want to use it as a fuse or timer

            "Id": "{{ModId}}_Flag2",
            "Trigger": "DayStarted",
            "Condition": "PLAYER_HAS_MAIL Current {{ModId}}_Flag1, !PLAYER_HAS_CONVERSATION_TOPIC Current {{ModId}}_Timer_Flag2",
            "HostOnly": false,
            "Actions": [
                "AddMail Current {{ModId}}_Flag2 Received",
            ],
            "MarkActionApplied": true
        },```

This is a trigger that checks for the existence of one mail flag AND the expiration of a conversation topic before setting a new mail flag

[uncut viper]

anything with {{ModId}} in it will break old items/things in a CP pack, otherwise for C# mods i believe hte primary worry is when people set a dependency on you

if i set a dependency on focustense.ModName but you change it to focustense.NewMod then my shit breaks

or if im looking for that modid in code etc

[ivory plume]

It's something I've considered, but it'd be a bit messy syntax-wise so I just never looked into further.

[tawny ore]

How about CP switch-case?

[teal bridge]

Hm. Seems inapplicable with a major version update though, since it's all going to break anyway.

[ivory plume]

(You can use Content Patcher's built-in MigrateIds feature to solve that.)

[uncut viper]

not if you're really just relying on load order to do things (like maybe harmony patching or some other examples im sure)

[teal bridge]

Hmm... if Harmony patchers are already going to break, and API clients are already going to break...

[uncut viper]

true, so long as you also remember to change all the uses in location names too, NPC data, your i18n, mail, convo flags.... when i say it breaks them i mean "they will be broken if you dont fix them and if you have a lot, why go thru the trouble when you can just not"

[lucid iron]

Hm it would be nice to have smapi previous mod unique id

[uncut viper]

harmony patches dont always break!

(i know locations and NPCs also have FormerName things too)

[teal bridge]

In general, of course. If somebody Harmony-patched the old Radial Menu 0.2, though, those patches definitely will break in 1.0, it's almost a complete rewrite.

[lucid iron]

Personally i think if u r gonna just bump ur mod major version up then changing the mod id is fair game

[ivory plume]

What would that field do?

[lucid iron]

Breaking change and all

[lucid iron]

Let mods that are content pack for say BAGI load with EBAGI

I realize it's probably cursed to implement

And usually ppl just keep the unique id bc it's not a big deal

[teal bridge]

Yeah, I've almost convinced myself that this is the case. I can think of a dozen reasons why it's a terrible idea when you're only updating the minor version, or if you're not following true semver and a major update is just "added a whole lot of new stuff and really wanted to bump the major". But if it's major as in "yes this is literally 100% incompatible with the old version of the mod in every way", then I'm wondering what I gain by preserving the old unique ID.

[lucid iron]

But i did have to check for 2 different mod id of Better Sprinkler at one point

[uncut viper]

also this still wont work for some things anyway, right? like Community Center bundles?

if you started the game with an item in them that uses the old uniqueid in its id

[meager loom]

It's an editmap with that random chance i was asking about earlier

[teal bridge]

It's true that the unique ID isn't really that important for branding or whatever, but it's going to annoy me because of all the UI sprite references and such.

[meager loom]

I was thinking I could make a Condition with EditData and then compare both to that possibly? I just don't know if I can use Random in it

[uncut viper]

if there is one more thing i have in favour of keeping the old id for dependency reasons, its that it does also change the error and might make it more clear why suddenly a mod depending on it is erroring (i.e. shit broke vs "you dont have the mod installed" "but i do??")

[teal bridge]

I partly think "maybe I should just publish a new mod" but then that rubs people the wrong way for a bunch of other reasons, and leads to neverending questions of "why aren't you updating <old version of mod that isn't maintained anymore>"?

[uncut viper]

could just turn off nexus comments

[teal bridge]

Haha, well, in this case Nexus comments did alert me to the fact that it was broken in the first place, so I guess they're not always totally useless...

[uncut viper]

i guess you could turn off comments but keep bug reports open

[teal bridge]

Nexus bug reports are always closed. I do not want bug reports there.

Worst of both worlds IMO. Still "Nexus quality" but you can't justifiably say "I only watch GitHub regularly" because you've enabled that section on Nexus.

[tawny ore]

I lock bug reports solely so that I can manually move bug reports in the comments over to them

[uncut viper]

ymmv i suppose, ive gotten pretty much only helpful bug reports on my nexus pages that i dont otherwise get in here

[teal bridge]

Anyhoo... I'm now thinking back to career API dev work where a major version bump would also entail a new URL/URI, new RPC endpoint name, and so on.

[tawny ore]

That way the posts is more discussions about the mod rather than everyone piling in on the same issues

[uncut viper]

ultimately the uniqueid decision is up to you ofc, i was just providin the reasons why its not recommended

[tawny ore]

I think I could technically get away with a mod id change almost whenever I want because I've diversified my update keys across different sites, and as long as I update the version on one, I can lead people to a new key on the others

[teal bridge]

That's an interesting strategy. Though I don't think I get enough legitimate bug reports in the comments to justify it for my own self.

[tawny ore]

Sounds like you haven't tried hard enough to break your mods /s

[blissful panther]

Surprisingly, I've only ever really had helpful bug reports on Nexus.

[teal bridge]

The update key is the Nexus ID though, I'm talking about the mod's Unique ID (SMAPI ID)

[lucid iron]

So what will u call radial menu 2.0

[blissful panther]

Apart from like... one or two "mod doesn't work... oh wait, I didn't extract the assembly".

[teal bridge]

Technically 1.0, since the previous versions were 0.x. The new name is.... whisper whisper
(You can see it on GitHub right now, but I'm not announcing it until either (a) it's released or (b) it has a cool logo)

[tawny ore]

I did a soft bridge between an old/new mod once where the old one had one last update that detected the presence of the new one and disabled itself if that was installed

It's where I moved some functionality into a framework that had outgrown the original mod's intention

[teal bridge]

That's not a bad idea actually - since I know that despite my large-font instructions to "PLEASE COMPLETELY REMOVE THE OLD VERSION BEFORE INSTALLING NEW VERSION", a bunch of users ain't gonna.

[lucid iron]

This means u do new page then?

[teal bridge]

I dunno, still seems like too much work. I mean, I do have to redo the entire Nexus page, but I just don't want the old mod hanging around looking abandoned.

I have not even thought about documentation, that's going to be a chore and a half.

[lucid iron]

Ig it depends on whether u think the user experience is sufficiently different

Are you 2 cakes yourself

[uncut viper]

cant nexusmods let you hide a mod page with a custom reason why? or is it just preset reasons

[teal bridge]

Sure, it can do that.

I think that's solving a different problem, though.

[uncut viper]

it would solve the old mod hanging around lookin abandoned

[teal bridge]

Sort of... now the old mod is hanging around looking abandoned and hidden out of embarrassment.

[uncut viper]

well it wont look like anything bc itll be hidden

and if a user goes to the page directly it'll saay "This mod is obsolete. Use this one instead: [link]"

[calm nebula]

Nearly sent my coworkers an email about a merged spritesheet

[ornate locust]

I don'

[calm nebula]

How are you guys doing

[ornate locust]

argh, enter key

[teal bridge]

I'm wondering what the advantage is in that case over just renaming both the mod and unique ID. Seems like the only difference is, SMAPI won't report it as an update, which is a disadvantage.

[ornate locust]

I don't think Nexus lets you do custom reasons anymore, does it? I remember that bothering me

[uncut viper]

i simply lay the cards out on the table and have no thoughts on their value it is up to you to decide their value in your hand

[teal bridge]

Fair enough.

[iron ridge]

Nope but if you ask staff really nicely you can

[uncut viper]

yeah i just checked and there is no custom reason by default but the obsolete one lets you fill in a reason/mod link why its obsolete now

[iron ridge]

That's how I got this

[teal bridge]

I think I'll stick with the "breaking update". That still makes it possible for users to revert if 1.x isn't stable for a while, all the comment history is still there, etc. The outcome is roughly the same either way.

[lucid iron]

But that seems so useful

Why can't we have nice things

[iron ridge]

It is but what if someone goes off nexus and then no more money!!

[uncut viper]

thats the same wording/template it seems like they use now for the "Mod is obsolete" reason so i dont think you have to ask for that one anymore

[lucid iron]

But can u put link

[iron ridge]

You do, you only get to put in a nexus id

[lucid iron]

Ig that's fine for this usecase

[uncut viper]

oh you are correct, i just saw the text box and didnt see the bit asking for a mod name

[tawny ore]

Here is what Nexus allows you to do to obsolete a mod. Example given from this random small mod I made.

No open text field, just searching Nexus for a mod name

[uncut viper]

just make a mod page with the name of the reason you want and link to it

im sure nexus staff would love you using that workaround

[tawny ore]

Please use this instead "visit ModDrop for all future updates to my mods" /s

[uncut viper]

lgtm

[tawny ore]

I wonder how quickly I'd get the banhammer for that

[lucid iron]

"My mods will be distributed on media fire from now on"

[calm nebula]

It's available on request

By floppy

[uncut viper]

i would genuinely take you up on that

[lucid iron]

Hm most sdv mod would fit on a floppy right

Well, C# ones anyways

[uncut viper]

not the content packs with a bunch of assets

but the C# ones i fuckin hope so

[blissful panther]

Please visit my IRC channel and run /msg ModBot download <mod_name> to have the mod sent to you.

[uncut viper]

posting in #1272025932932055121 "hey im having trouble installing SMAPI off my floppy disk, can someone help me?"

[teal bridge]

StardewUI still fits on a floppy, though it is definitely getting up there.

[dull bay]

Hello ! I would like to modify an animal sprite for my mod after 10 days in the coop, how could i do this ?

[lucid iron]

Well u just have to yeet the docs right

Then u can fit for sure

[uncut viper]

the 10 days might be a bit tricky unless you just want it to happen when they grow up and not specifically 10 days

[teal bridge]

I think the docs compress like 90%. The DLL itself is 1.3 MB.

[lucid iron]

Ah yea just under 1.44

Need big floppy soon

[teal bridge]

Smaller when compressed, both together are 900 KB. It's big for a C# mod though. There are a few PNGs, take them all out and maybe it's 800.

[uncut viper]

im sure theyll come out with a higher capacity floppy soon

[deep cypress]

I miss the pretty 3.5 floppies!!! I got them in so many colors!!!

[lucid iron]

I don't think there's a content patcher way to do a 2nd "grow up"

Not specific to individual anyways

[uncut viper]

they made them up to like 200mb right

[teal bridge]

200 MB floppy disk? What is it, the size of a school bus?

[dull bay]

Arf, do you know if a framework could do that ?

[tawny ore]

Every few days I see a post here trying to do things that Sprite Patcher was intended to help with, and it makes me wonder...

[hard fern]

In the end my suggestion of "USB stick delivered via carrier pigeon" doesn't sound so absurd

[uncut viper]

the LS-240 3.5in SuperDisk released in 1997 could apparently do 240mb

[lucid iron]

Convince selph to do it

[uncut viper]

isnt selph still touching grass

[teal bridge]

Only the "carrier pigeon" part is absurd. We always used to say, at least before fiber optics became ubiquitous, that if you wanted bandwidth and didn't care about latency then your best option was a truck.

[lucid iron]

What I'd do instead for the time being is to offer skins

So you don't get grow up but u do get both middle form and last form in ur barn

Im assuming this is pokemans

[meager loom]

Does anyone know if I can create a Condition in Data/Conditions and then check that in When? I'm trying to use this to create a Condition called CartSpawn and then use that in When and Condition keys

{
    "LogName": "Define Cart Spawn Condition",
    "Action": "EditData",
    "Target": "Data/Conditions",
    "Entries": {
        "CartSpawn": "Random:{{Range:1,10} == {{Range:1,9}}"
    }
},

[lucid iron]

Whats is a data conditions

[hallow prism]

no you can't

[uncut viper]

Data/Conditions isnt even a thing

please do not tell me you asked chatgpt for that

[meager loom]

Or maybe it's preconditions

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Event_data

This

[hallow prism]

i would do stuff like mail flag or something if you can't sync stuff

no it wouldn't work either

[calm nebula]

It's still true

[meager loom]

I was trying to use that but yeah it was erroring

[lucid iron]

I think you wanted a map patch

[meager loom]

okay I'll look at mail flags docs

[lucid iron]

You can't use things that don't exist in the game

[calm nebula]

I worked for a place that would mail you your data in a hdd

[dull bay]

Yes i am ! ChatGPT told me to do EditImage and When Frienship >=250 but it doesn't work 🤣

[hallow prism]

(and they want the message to sync with when the patch is applied)

[uncut viper]

!chatgptcode

[ocean sail]

Please stop trying to get ChatGPT to write your C# mods for you, especially if you don't know how to write C#. It won't work without heavy editing, and it wastes everyone's time.

Large language models fundamentally are reguritating something from their input—which is roughly speaking, the written output of humanity up until 2021 or so, for ChatGPT. For specific, niche topics like "is this framework going to do what I want" or "which things does Game1.cs have access to", it probably has no idea! But it's good at detecting that people in the past have....said things about frameworks and written things in C#, so it does its best to assemble words and symbols into a nice order for you. Sometimes it tells you true things, and sometimes it tells you false things, and if you can't detect when, you're in trouble. When you're writing code, this usually produces garbage, because you can't be "sort of similar", you have to be exactly correct or it won't work.

To use this command, type !chatgptcode.

[uncut viper]

this applies to CP mods too

[hallow prism]

the thing is, CP can edit image of all the animals of one kind at once

[meager loom]

I wish you could just assign an ID or something to an edit and then reference that in When would be so much easier

[hallow prism]

or you can have skins, but animals will not change skins

[teal bridge]

That's two chatgpts in the span of an hour... they're multiplying.

[dull bay]

Yeah i try to learn, i don't copy paste ChatGPT

[uncut viper]

trying to learn with ChatGPT will take you in a backwards direction

[dull bay]

It's quite challenging for me, I'm using it rarely

[blissful panther]

While you might be able to get some semi-useful information from it on hyper common tasks, like "hey, tell me how to build a RESTful API"... something more niche like Stardew is so much more likely to end with you going down rabbit holes that don't exist.

[rotund elm]

Has anyone seen the new facelift for nexus?

[calm nebula]

No

I haven't don't make je

[rotund elm]

XD

It's actually really nice

[blissful panther]

You don't want collections to be right beneath hot mods?

Other than that, it's actually not bad!

[hallow prism]

oh

facelift of nexus, not a facelift mod on nexus

i was like "what is so terrible about that mod?"

[meager loom]

Can someone point me to the docs for setting a mail flag? I found this https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Mail_data but it doesn't actually say how to set one, just how to check for one

[hallow prism]

search trigger action

[meager loom]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Trigger_actions This one?

[hallow prism]

probably

[meager loom]

That seems to allow me to set one for the player but not create the flag itself

[hard fern]

Why is nexus blue now

[pine elbow]

They finally made some text and buttons lot easier to read
ngl seeing that squished font on mod titles sometimes messed with my dyslexia

[devout otter]

Setting flag is basically setting it for the player. You can set whether the flag would apply to all players or not.

[lucid iron]

The term is confusing but a mail flag is just a mail that gets used as a boolean

This usually mean they use no letter but that's not strictly required if u did want a real mail

[meager loom]

Yeah i see the game uses them as regular flags without the mail, I just can't find the docs to create a new one lol

[lucid iron]

AddMail is the action you want

[meager loom]

okay sweet and the target is Data/Mail right?

[lucid iron]

No

Simply doing AddMail lets you check it with a variety of other things

Like content patcher HasFlag

[meager loom]

I'm confused I think. I thought every edit needed a Target? Do I just not add the Target key?

[lucid iron]

Actions work in many places but your usecase is a Data/TriggerActions thing

Refer to doc u found on that

[meager loom]

Ohhh okay gotcha

[wanton pebble]

(Chu, can you quickly sum what they're trying to do overall?)

[meager loom]

I did but it says Data/Mail haha

[wanton pebble]

(I've used the notification thing with spacecore before and I could probably give more step-by-step stuff if I know the start to end points)

[lucid iron]

They are trying to do an EditMap that spawns a cart 10% of the time every Sunday

This is what i understood thus far

[meager loom]

Yep and I want a hud message to appear when that happens from space core

the cart part works

[lucid iron]

I actually think u don't need all this

A key on the Random would be enough

It basically just makes 2 randoms give u same results everytime

Another option here is dynamic tokens (a content patcher thing)

[meager loom]

Basically I need this to happen

        {
            "LogName": "Desert Merchant Reminder (Needs SpaceCore installed)",
            "Action": "EditData",
            "Target": "Data/TriggerActions",
            "Entries": {
                "{{ModId}}_CartReminder": {
                    "Id": "{{ModId}}_CartReminder",
                    "Trigger": "Manual",                
                    "Condition": "CartSpawn",
                    "HostOnly": false, 
                    "Action": "spacechase0.SpaceCore_ShowHudMessage \"The Cart has arrived somewhere in town!\""
                }
            }
        }

when the cart spawns which happens likethis

        {
            "Action": "EditMap",
            "Target": "Maps/Desert",
            "FromFile": "assets/Locations/Cart.tmx",
            "FromArea": { "X": 0, "Y": 0, "Width": 6, "Height": 5 },
            "ToArea": { "X": 28, "Y": 41, "Width": 6, "Height": 5 },
            "PatchMode": "Overlay",
            "When": {
                "DayOfWeek": "Thursday, Friday, Saturday",
                "Random: {{Range:1, 100}}": "{{Range: 1, 5}}"

            }
        },

[wanton pebble]

So on day started, we'll say a dynamic token is picked due to the random that results in the map patch. It also, when it is that value, runs a trigger action on DayStarted which loads the mailflag right into the host player's mailbox. Then SpaceCore reminder that morning can run at 6:10 AM so they can get the player a notification that it's there

[lucid iron]

That one might be closest to your intuition of wanting a place to store the cond you hot

[wanton pebble]

it won't happen on day start, but it will happen within 10 minutes of day start

sound right?

Additionally, you make sure that MarkActionApplied is false and that you have a reset on the mailflag so it can keep triggering.

[uncut viper]

just put the triggeractions edit and the map edit in an Include and put the random on that

[meager loom]

Wait I can do that?

[wanton pebble]

yeah, that's actually even simpler

[meager loom]

That's genius

[uncut viper]

that MIGHT not work but if it doesnt, i dont think a keyed random will help either

[wanton pebble]

No, it should

if random hit, include all the changes in the one include

[uncut viper]

bc if it doesnt work it'll be because trigger actions happen before CP does its edits

(im not sure the order)

[lucid iron]

I think it's fine yeah

[meager loom]

So I just have both those changes in an include, then put the include in my content.json with the When Random thing? is that right?

Heck yeah thanks Button that's incredible lol

[uncut viper]

make sure you do the MarkActionApplied false as said here (but you dont need to worry about the mail)

[meager loom]

That's just a key-value I need to put in both changes, right?

[uncut viper]

its a field on a trigger action

[meager loom]

Like

"MarkActionApplied": "false"

[wanton pebble]

DNR has examples again forestman

but this time I can pull it myself, one sec

[meager loom]

I have it up still i think

yup I see it!

[wanton pebble]

I have to open up notepad because Little Red Schoolhouse updated with a bigger map and I have to fix that for myself anyway

buuut if you see it you gucci

[meager loom]

All good I think I got it

thank you tho!

[faint ingot]

@gentle rose earlier I was asking about the "NOT spring 16" case which you gave me some advice on... I realized that I could maybe use DayEvent, since it's DesertFestival_2 specifically. Am I writing this wrong, though? It doesn't seem to be working. "When":{ "DayEvent|contains=DesertFestival_2": "false" }

[tribal ore]

I found the "Workday/Weekend Day" example on the wiki to be really helpful for setting flags that pingpong back and forth. Opened my eyes to a lot of possibilities. I'd highly recommend just copying that pair of triggers into your mod and obvserving what they do

Bottom of the trigger actions page on the wiki: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Trigger_actions

[meager loom]

Oo that sounds promising I'll give it a look thank you!

One thing I'm wondering is the Trigger field. It's currently set to Manual but I feel like that means it's not going to fire but I'm having trouble finding the options for it

[tribal ore]

I use "DayStarted" for the vast majority of my triggers, though I've also used "OnLocationChanged" or something like that

Basically, that determines when the trigger condidtions are going to be checked

[meager loom]

Oh true that should make it always fire and then the When conditions will actually do the calculation thanks!

[tribal ore]

"DayStarted" means that your trigger action will be chekced when the new day starts, and applied if the conditions are met

No problem. The thing that confused me most at first was the difference between "Received" and "Now", and also when to use "MarkActionApplied"

**Received: **the flag is set
Now: the flag is set and the mailbox is triggered to look like mail is there. You mostly use "Now" if you are actually sending a real letter.
MarkActionApplied: false -- this TriggerAction can happen again. Otherwise, they are just one and done

[tribal ore]

It looks to me like "Manual" is a custom value for the Trigger field, added by some mod. The default options are "DayStarted", "DayEnding" and "LocationChanged"

If you need more trigger types and stuff, you can look at BETAS: https://stardew.button.gay/docs/betas

[meager loom]

yah I just found the Manual option looking at how Date Night Redux does it. But this method with the includes works!!!

Thanks for the help everyone!

[gentle rose]

like I said then, I'm not really the person to ask about specific syntax because I don't actually write content packs.. Also, if you have a brand new issue, you can ask everyone rather than tagging the last person who helped, you'll get help quicker that way

[uncut viper]

Manual is a vanilla trigger type it's just unused by vanilla

[faint ingot]

OK, I understand. I wouldn't have @'d you if your name didn't specifically have "@me" which I took to mean you didn't mind.

[lucid iron]

In this channel it's most efficient to just throw ur question out and see if any nerds are around

[meager loom]

I would assume that's mostly for if you want to handle it yourself and not have any game logic intervening yeah?

[lucid iron]

If it doesn't work the first time there's no issue reposting later

[faint ingot]

I already bumped my earlier question once when I wasn't getting responses so I wanted to avoid rebumping it my second time around. I know people are under no obligation to answer my questions so I was trying not to be a bother and failing

[lucid iron]

I guess my question is

What advantage is there to this over the not spring 16 thing

[uncut viper]

passive festivals have data models with start and end dates being changeable

[faint ingot]

We can drop it, I ended up doing it another way entirely. Thanks everyone who weighed in though

[wanton pebble]

As a refresher, how do I use double quotes in dialogue in 1.6?

I know it's something to do with escapes

[meager loom]

I just did it in my hud message like this \" \"

oops

[wanton pebble]

and I want to write something to the effect of It's "this name", not "this name" here

Nope, in messages/dialogue

[meager loom]

Ahh

[uncut viper]

It's the same anywhere in json

[wanton pebble]

they corrected it after

they had ""

[uncut viper]

o

[wanton pebble]

but thank you forest, that's what I was looking for

[meager loom]

Sorry yeah discord does something with backslashes so i had to add a code block

[uncut viper]

you can also use single quotes for the outer ones and not escape the double quotes, but then you need to escape the single ones

could be handy if the sentence you need em in doesn't have single quotes

ironically the reason discord does that with the backslashes is for the exact same reason

it's escaping the quotes

so you need to escape the slashes

[meager loom]

ohhh that make sense lol

[uncut viper]

\" \"

[meager loom]

My first solution was adding and it worked haha

Or rather ` `

Which I needed backslashes to write lol

[gentle rose]

I don't mind, it's just not the best way to get help really. I went to sleep like half an hour before you messaged so if I didn't happen to wake up you wouldn't have heard from me until tomorrow

[tribal ore]

Is tiakall around? I've gotten a custom butterfly sprite loaded in as a temporaryActor, but I can either animate it to flap its wings OR I can make it follow an advancedMove. The minute the advancedMove starts, the flapping stops

[patent lance]

@brittle ledge: give Atra a list of mouhraha mods (4h ago)

[wanton pebble]

that uh

that is the most apropos ping timing ever

[tribal ore]

I know!! xD

Thanks for the assist, MaruBot

This is what I'm doing, in case it helps:

/hideShadow {{ModId}}_fly1 true
/advancedMove {{ModId}}_fly1 true 1 0 2 500 -1 0 1 500
/animate {{ModId}}_fly1 false true 100 0 1 2 1```

I've tried it both directions: animate first then advancedMove, and advancedMove then animate. Changing the order doesn't seem to help, so I'm definitely missing something

[faint ingot]

You could maybe try making it move with positionOffset instead of advancedMove

[tribal ore]

Good idea. As long as it doesn't quash the flapping animation, that could work

[brittle ledge]

If you're using move you'll want it to have the same positioning for sprites that vanilla NPCs do, so like the first row should be four sprites of downward-facing movement, second row should be right facing, etc.

[calm nebula]

half alive cat noise

I will say, slurry (aka instant coffee in brewed coffee) is bitter as fuck

[brittle ledge]

So yeah, you can either put in the frames for the direction(s) of move you need, or use positionOffset/showFrame

[gentle rose]

I did send the repo earlier btw I think, idk if you saw that though atra

[gentle rose]

this sounds comparable to my code decisions which isn't something you want to consume tbh

[calm nebula]

I didn't

Was in a meeting for ages

[gentle rose]

can discord stop bouncing me around can’t do anything like this

https://github.com/mouahrara/aedenthorn/releases/tag/main-files here is the full list of mouahrara unofficial updates

[calm nebula]

I'll enter them in eventually!!!!

[tribal ore]

Ok, I'll try positionOffset witchery and report back later. Thank you!

[winter dust]

It's unfortunate but people just stop updating mods for various reasons, life, lost interest, etc.

It's nice that there is a group of us that continues updating mods.

[gentle rose]

I have a ton of respect for people like mouaharara who take on massive projects like these and update this many mods! Unfortunately, aedenthorn had 647 published stardew mods when they left, many of which were pretty popular, so their mods are taking a decent amount of collective effort for people to slowly update and port to 1.6.

I'm still fighting atra's repo whenever I have the energy to (not much these past few days) so hey, maybe one day I'll actually be able to finish updating one of those and release it lmao

[winter dust]

Most of them being SMAPI mods I assume?

[gentle rose]

A lot are, yeah

I don't know the actual breakdown because, you know, there's 647 of them

[brittle ledge]

I think all of them are either SMAPI or content packs for her mods

[gentle rose]

so yeah, respect to mouahrara for updating 76 of them!

that's a decent chunk

[true coyote]

well thats fun

my fence is being placed as the object sprite... and not from the tilesheet

[winter dust]

How come they left?

[gentle rose]

she, and I don't know, it was before my time but regardless I try not to pry about these things, people have their personal lives

[rigid oriole]

it was really nice of them to license everything such that the community could take on updating the projects

[teal bridge]

That pace was obviously unsustainable, when you have hundreds of mods there's no possible way you're keeping them all up to date. But I guess Stardew itself was on a very slow update timeline back then, and maybe people thought there'd never be another game update.

[gentle rose]

yup! and kind of annoying when the community decides to ignore what little requirements that license had 💀 mouahrara obeys it though so they're in my good books

(that was meant at barley, sorry)

[teal bridge]

(Many of the mods were very tiny, mind you - but still, too many to manage)

[lucid iron]

i remember doing the maths and they released on average 0.4 mods a week

[true coyote]

not sure whats going on here, the fence json pulls from the tilesheet, and the only thing referencing the object is the object json and a little bit in the content for seasonal changes... no errors in the log so im not sure what to send on that front

fence json: https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/44bd292737d24794a3285a7ab46b7568
object json: https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/a41d51421afb46b4bbb075a17f858a61
content json: https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/25c57cd82b25457aaa72ddf01665ee5c

[teal bridge]

Oh? Maybe that was long term, I saw more like 1 new mod every 1-2 days.

[lucid iron]

the method was based on time span of post date between last mod - first mod

[rigid oriole]

no bc all you have to do is include the license and license your updates the same... it's so little effort

it's so permissive

[lucid iron]

hm was it a week or like

[gentle rose]

one of the really cool thing to see when we were cleaning up the mod ideas repo was how many ideas from there they took on and released! definitely a lot more than anyone else

[lucid iron]

0.4 a day

[teal bridge]

Yeah, my assessment was based on quasi-random sampling.

[devout otter]

Boo, you can't do varied, pretty textures like this without EBAGI.

[lucid iron]

maybe my brain auto corrected it cus 0.4 a day is insane

someone redo the maff ty

[gentle rose]

half of them don't open source it at all...

[lucid iron]

wow they put a whole califlower in a jar

leaves and all

[teal bridge]

Like I said, a lot of them were very tiny little utility mods, or even joke mods, but nevertheless, yes it's insane.

[reef kiln]

C# is confusing. I can read the code (have enough experiance to understand it a little) but don't get how it knows what to do...... it seems to be referring to thing not in the actual github directory. I assume that is stardew or SMAPI. OK, back to the basic videos explaining stuff. I think I skipped to much as I found the intro stuff boring and easy. Teaches me not to be impatient when learning 😢

[teal bridge]

I have 7 now - total - logistics might eventually be an 8th, cannot even imagine trying to support more than 10.

100+ is definitely "fire and forget" haha.

[teal bridge]

Well you're not writing a game from scratch, most of the actual methods you'll be calling are in SMAPI or SDV.

[winter dust]

Is there a list of CP mods that need updating or is it mainly just updating SMAPI mods with unofficial fixes etc.

[teal bridge]

CP mods kinda never need updating except in rare circumstances.

[gentle rose]

your mods are pretty big though, especially stardewui - I think aedenthorn mods for the most part don't come close to that

[reef kiln]

The nice thing is that with 1.6, you should not have to maintain them after they are working. As it was suppose to fix breaking mods every update

[teal bridge]

I'm pretty sure 1.6 promised no such thing.

1.6.9 wasn't a modpocalypse but it was eventful.

[reef kiln]

It didn't promise it, but say it was trying to be better for modding.

[tawny ore]

1.6 forward should probably gracefully handle content update more easily, especially as long as CP can port whatever changes may come

[teal bridge]

What 1.6 did was pull more things into game data, so rather fewer mods have to be doing insane things with Harmony and fewer "framework" mods are needed for basic things.

[lucid iron]

did you forget what happened in 1.6.9 lol

[teal bridge]

But things are still going to break with every game update, because an update entails changing stuff. and there's always going to be some portion of mods depending on the old code.

("Things" meaning "some things", not "all things")

[lucid iron]

what 1.6 does promise is easier time at mod compat thanks to string id on most things

[gentle rose]

being better for modding is not the same as preventing updates from breaking mods because it's impossible to promise that tbh

[tribal ore]

I know that the move to 1.6 broke a lot of things with warp commands

[teal bridge]

Yeah. Definitely seems like the breakages were less severe for 1.6.8 -> 1.6.9 than they were for 1.5 -> 1.6. Authors still had to update, but the updates were often minor things like "switch to a new method" or "literally just rebuild binary against new game version".

[tribal ore]

But I don't think there is a good list

[gentle rose]

from what I was seeing, a lot of 1.6 was about moving large amounts of hardcoded things into data models, making them more consistent, and just generally making things more accessible to modders to modify (which is noticeable for sure and is part of the reason so many frameworks died)

[teal bridge]

Pretty much.

Many things are still hardcoded, so there may be a 1.7 that de-hardcodes a lot of that stuff, and it'll be a panic again.

[gentle rose]

but I stopped playing a week after 1.6 came out and came back around 1.6.14 so I don't know the 1.6.9 stuff

[lucid iron]

if u look at pins theres like 2 junimo msg about 1.6.9 chaos

[devout otter]

CP mods need updating would generally be those that are dependent on obsolete frameworks.

[lucid iron]

and NPC

[devout otter]

We do have people trying to update Shiko every once in a while.

[brave fable]

if u look even harder at pins u will find a gif of me feeding pathos a mushroom

[lucid iron]

shiko-unofficial mod that's not actually an update of shiko, instead it's fanfiction about her ghost haunting us

[gentle rose]

I never know what's about to happen when the blueberry is typing... message pops up /pos

[devout otter]

Can we do that without permission?

[teal bridge]

On an unrelated note, do any of the Sword & Sorcery C# contributors other than Casey lurk here? Since the latter is on hiatus.

[lucid iron]

well, it wouldn't be very polite probably

[brave fable]

let noone know ur next move

[lucid iron]

but if it's all new assets then technically it's fair use

[lucid iron]

endertedi is handling it

r u concern about the adventure bar thing

[teal bridge]

Adventure... bar? I don't know anything about the mod except that out of nowhere 2 Nexus users reported issues related to the integration which I didn't know existed/was released. (We'd talked about it, but it never showed up as a dependency.)

[calm nebula]

(I think they didn't expect how much chaos)

[uncut viper]

a lot of the chaos was bc of smapi bugs too tbf

[teal bridge]

So I need to add them into the "plz update" list with Matt.

[lucid iron]

yea there's integration i remember seeing it last time i had S&S

for a bunch of skill button type things i believe

[teal bridge]

Right, it was a whole conversation so I knew it could have been done, just not that it ever was done.

[lucid iron]

it also got iconic framework integration recently but theres something strange about it

whenever i go back to main menu it gib red error

[teal bridge]

This sounds like a fun 3-way love triangle of APIs... Iconic has a component for Mod Formerly Known As Radial Menu, and so does S&S, and S&S also has an Iconic component, and...

I'm not sure what that's supposed to look like when they're all together, but I guess I'm about to find out.

[lucid iron]

first time downloading content mod i see

[teal bridge]

I do have content mods, just not expansions.

[tawny ore]

What would be nice is if we could depend on the same unique id so that duplicate functionality can just arbitrarily pick one of them

[calm nebula]

(I'm so braindead I read that as "the negation of the signal known as adventure")

Active low adventure?

[teal bridge]

How is... how did you get that?

[gentle rose]

bar

I wish there was tex support in discord, I could communicate so many bizarre things

[tawny ore]

i.e. if SwordAndSorcery.DoSomething is registered to Radial Menu, and Iconic Framework also registers SwordAndSorcery.DoSomething you can just choose to ignore one of them

[calm nebula]

Ie, in the form of q and qbar

[gentle rose]

(well, latex specifically, not just tex)

[teal bridge]

Ah, I see.

[lucid iron]

what if im a weird person who use both mouse and keyboard

[tawny ore]

At least in Iconic Framework every action is associated with a ModId.ActionName

[calm nebula]

That's. Normal

Weirdos use controll

[lucid iron]

*mouse and gamepad

[calm nebula]

Weirdo

[lucid iron]

sorry im also brainderp

[gentle rose]

I use almost entirely keyboard

[teal bridge]

Well, technically, if Iconic registers individual items into the library, and S&S registers entire pages, then they're off in different worlds and won't conflict unless users make them conflict.

[gentle rose]

people keep "discovering" keyboard shortcuts I use in the game all the time and meanwhile I can't remember which mouse button does what when I do use it

[teal bridge]

I suppose also if they did conflict, users could disable the S&S integration and just use Iconic for that.

[tawny ore]

True, my intention is for Iconic to immediately switch to registering actions instead of pages as soon as that's available

[teal bridge]

Depending on your definition of available - it's in dev branch now and it is actually tested and working, I'm using it for AFS and also a set of internal items used to help with button remapping.

[tawny ore]

Especially since that'll work more nicely for anyone who can only target 8 direction and may have more than 8 icons

[lucid iron]

hm i need opinion

[calm nebula]

I meannn

[uncut viper]

(soon tm)

[calm nebula]

Decompiler

[lucid iron]

do u think "Entries" and "Fields" have specific meaning in context of content patcher

[uncut viper]

y-yes?

[lucid iron]

trying to decide if i should translate the term

or leave as "Entries"

[teal bridge]

Who can only target 8 directions?

[lucid iron]

cus this doc also like, use "field" for the meaning of "field in a json"

[tawny ore]

Controllers exist that can only do U+D+L+R or combinations of those

[uncut viper]

i wouldnt use fields in the same place i would use entry even outside of content patcher

[teal bridge]

Controllers with analog sticks? Like d-pads that pretend to be sticks?

[tawny ore]

Yes

[teal bridge]

That sounds slightly horrifying, but good to know.

[lucid iron]

im not sure what this means

[uncut viper]

im not sure what the premise of the question is so we're matchies

[lucid iron]

yay

ok here be my context https://github.com/Mushymato/StardewMods-Pathoschild/blob/ContentPatcher-zh_docs/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/action-editdata.md#entries-and-fields

this part is describe meaning of entries and fields in the context of EditData

[gentle rose]

in my defense, I both am already allergic to using a mouse on computers when I can help it and also did most of my stardew playing with a keyboard on an ipad or using a laptop

[lucid iron]

then it goes on to use fields in the conventional json meaning

i was thinking maybe i just dont translate the content patcher kind of "entries" and "fields"

[calm nebula]

I meannnn

[lucid iron]

idk language hard

[uncut viper]

i think thats the same case though its just the target data in the Action case is kinda invisible

bc its a PatchData

[teal bridge]

I'm not sure I understand the question either, but there is no such thing as an "entry" in JSON itself. JSON has fields, values, arrays, objects, etc. There's no conventional JSON meaning of "entry".

[uncut viper]

but Action is still a field in the un-keyed patchdata block

[lucid iron]

hmmm

[uncut viper]

i would translate them separately

its i18n not l10n /j

[lucid iron]

i do intuitively think i should translate "list" "dictionary" "model" also mentioned in this document

or rather, luo did it and i agree

[uncut viper]

i think you would know the answers here on how best to localize than a lot of people in here

[lucid iron]

idk i'd prob have better vibes if i learned cs in chinese

[teal bridge]

That would provide excellent security against anyone ever trying to modify or maintain one of your mods, as I've experienced out in the work world.

[tawny ore]

Nice, I'll start obfuscating my code by having ChatGPT translate it to latin before every push

[lucid iron]

i am sort of a designated "hey read this chinese comment in the code for me" person

for my also dev job friends

[teal bridge]

I'm used to having to try to make sense of comments written half in French, Polish, Spanish, etc... but when I see CJK in the source code I run away screaming.

[calm nebula]

Cjk?

[gentle rose]

cjk breaks half the things I look at code on

[lucid iron]

chinese japanese korean

[teal bridge]

Cyrillic does not make me happy either, but I haven't seen it very often.

[lucid iron]

the east asian square characters gang

[calm nebula]

Oh

The unicode fun gang

[velvet narwhal]

what's that one buckwild character that is impossible to write in pixel

[lucid iron]

biang

[gentle rose]

some korean characters look so much like hebrew it genuinely catches me off guard

[lucid iron]

𰻝𰻝面

who unicoded this

[velvet narwhal]

that's two spiderwebs and a normal letter

[lucid iron]

𰻞𰻞麵

[teal bridge]

58 strokes. That's impressive.

[uncut viper]

i cant tell if you're making a joke or if Discord just isnt displaying them properly

[teal bridge]

I just see three boxes.

[lucid iron]

https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2023/23126-add-10-hongmen-ideo-uax45.pdf

very nice

[lucid iron]

the second one is traditional

[velvet narwhal]

two spiderwebs and an actual unicode

[teal bridge]

I'm guessing you need certain fonts or font support packs installed.

[lucid iron]

yea

[teal bridge]

Two balls of dryer lint and a helicopter.

[tender bloom]

is this biang biang mian

[uncut viper]

how do i unlock the secret unicodes in my discord

[calm nebula]

Hi my dear mathperson

Yes

[uncut viper]

why are they withheld from me

[gentle rose]

if you're on the discord desktop app I think it has bad font support

[calm nebula]

I'm gathering the sanity to go to a home depot

[hard fern]

oh its the ultra character i cant read

[gentle rose]

I'm on browser and it works fine here though

[tender bloom]

you only have 40 min before they close

i can see the whole noodles

i'm on desktop app

but i updated my os in the last year

[hollow hazel]

it might have to do with your downloaded languages idk?

[teal bridge]

Web looks the same, FYI. I ☐ Unicode.

I'm sure it has to do with which fonts are installed on the OS.

[tender bloom]

ok i do get a box on that last one

[uncut viper]

copying it into google lets me see the very last letter at least

[gentle rose]

same

[tender bloom]

did you put the box character in

[teal bridge]

That's because it's actually a box.

[tender bloom]

nice i guessed it

[hollow hazel]

i have simplified chinese downloade to my key board and i see thm fine

[calm nebula]

Oh, look, actual modding content

[gentle rose]

are you on win11 elizabeth? I hear the font issues might be a win10 thing

[tender bloom]

no

[calm nebula]

Or maybe nog

[tender bloom]

i'm on macos

[velvet narwhal]

this is modded content, chue's translating cp docs

[gentle rose]

fair enough I'm on browser because I'm currently on linux

[tender bloom]

i have traditional intalled

and i guess simplified handwriting? i don't remember why

[hollow hazel]

maybe a discord thing then?

[tender bloom]

i mean i assume in my case it's using the unicode version macos ~1 yr ago released with

which apparently includes biang

[teal bridge]

It probably looks fine on my Mac then. But I'd have to walk almost 20 steps to check that.

[hard fern]

hold on what keyboards do i even have installed

[calm nebula]

My dear mathperson, do macs come with biang biang noodles

[tender bloom]

sadly no

at their prices they easily could

the supply chain logistics would be terrible

[lucid iron]

so how do we add 𰻝𰻝面 to the game

[calm nebula]

You have to do a minigame

Please

Chue

I want to fail at pulling noodles in stardew

[lucid iron]

[tender bloom]

you have my permission to add it to fireworks festival if you want 😛

[lucid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/kazzy-kaz-gif-21788371

?

[tender bloom]

i put in changshoumian for the lunar new year mod

[calm nebula]

(I actually do make biang biang noodles sometimes)

P

[uncut viper]

unrelated to noodles but related to modding/nexus, i didnt realize that alongside the new UI beta they also released their Bonus Rewards system for highly important mod authors i wonder if Pathos got a chunk of that

id be very surprised if not

[calm nebula]

(He deserves every Canadian penny.)

....does Canada still have the penny

[tiny zealot]

not physical ones

[uncut viper]

no

they do still respect the hundredths place in decimals though yes

[tribal ore]

If I ever step into doing C# mods, I'm going to add a lockpicking minigame. For no reason

Though that's probably just the Skyrim player in me

[scarlet pasture]

For content patcher, is there a way to remove dialogue? e.g. Emily has 0 and 4 heart dialogue for mondays in the summer. Can I remove the 4 heart and have 0, 2, and 6 heart dialogue instead?

[uncut viper]

yes, EditData and replace them with null

[scarlet pasture]

Awesome ty

[tribal ore]

The "nuke it" option

[lucid iron]

just remember it might not work if something else overrides that

[tribal ore]

As in, other dialogue mods?

[lucid iron]

ya

this is warning to test ur mod by itself basically

[scarlet pasture]

Yeah, testing feels like it's going to be a headache lol. Luckily I'm not at that point yet

[dreamy cedar]

About a week ago I asked the chat about a problem I was encountering in Junimatic where Junimos would very happily walk through walls. I got a super-helpful reply from @brave fable who had the same problem and pointed out some game code that seemed to be solid proof that it should be working fine... But it wasn't. At long last, I think I sorted it. Basically, if you do this:

npc.controller = new PathFindingController(npc, ...)

It'll work correctly IF npc.controller is null already. If it already has a value (like, it's still set to whatever controller got the npc to its current position), then the resulting controller will path through walls. So what you always need to do when updating the controller is:

npc.controller = null; // Because reasons.
npc.controller = new PathFindingController(npc, ...)

I stared at the implementation of PathFindingController and I haven't yet spied why this should be so. (I see some conditionals on the controller, but it seems to have something to do with doors, so I don't think that's the culprit).

[calm nebula]

It's because Collison is disabled if npc.controller is not null basically

Is weird

[lucid iron]

@wicked shore regarding your question, have you compiled the C# portion of the mod?

[wicked shore]

Yes, I have tried a few iterations without success before resorting to using the debugger in visual studio to alter values at the code execution point to more rapidly test if changes do anything.

[lucid iron]

(context: trying to change tractor mod spawn point, smapi log)

[wicked shore]

Fairly new to this but essentially after each change I would rebuild the solution, no errors, load it up and nothing

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.10 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows 11 Home, with 105 C# mods and 53 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[lucid iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1336526095704526850/1336526096526606336/Screenshot_2025-01-31_153441.png?ex=67a4206c&is=67a2ceec&hm=5ce4fefecc4a9aadd17710bf04f96de8c840800db73af1f213b76ab48998503b&

[wicked shore]

I have successfully changed textures, collision, size, animation and configs. The only thing I cannot get to work is that darn X and Y value on ln 691 /// <summary>Get the default Combine tile position in a garage.</summary>
/// <param name="garage">The Combine's home garage.</param>
private Vector2 GetDefaultCombineTile(Stable garage)
{
return new Vector2(garage.tileX.Value + 8, garage.tileY.Value + 6);
}
}

[lucid iron]

i can't find this code in the tractor mod

[wicked shore]

Under the ModEntry.cs very bottom ln 691

[lucid iron]

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/stable/TractorMod/ModEntry.cs

where

[wicked shore]

oops lol sorry 685 on the github file

[lucid iron]

did you rename it

i see a GetDefaultTractorTile in here

[wicked shore]

yes my apologies i did rename it from tractor to combine xD

[lucid iron]

ok cool, got confused for a sec

well it does look like right change to do

would recommend testing with less mods

[wicked shore]

seems to be referenced twice, once for returning the tractor at the end of the day and the other for when the garage changes location

[lucid iron]

in case strange incompat going on

i dont think it saves the position as far as i can tell, but consider new save just in case

[wicked shore]

That has embarassingly not crossed my mind xD

Will do!

[lucid iron]

ur mod list has a bunch of outdated stuff

its prob a good idea to prune at some point, and update versions to latest

but this is a tangent from actually getting ur personal edit to work

[wicked shore]

lol xD still appreciated, wouldnt surprise me if that would be the root cause

Just glad to get someone else to validate I was atleast looking in the correct spot!

[lucid iron]

hm actually

[wicked shore]

suspense building

[lucid iron]

this is definitely in tiles and not pixel position right

[wicked shore]

largest value i tried was 50, it would be easy to test though.

[gaunt orbit]

Looking through fertilizer code and it's surprisingly permissive. All you really need for custom fertilizers is the right item category (-19) and a transpiler to do custom texture drawing.

[lucid iron]

ok it is tiles there's a * 64 later

[gaunt orbit]

Coming soon eventually to a framework near you

[lucid iron]

more fertilizers!

[brittle pasture]

why a transpiler even, postfixing hoedirt draw should do it yeah

[gaunt orbit]

No because you need to kill the default fertilizer draw as well

[uncut viper]

atra would probably let you steal More Fertilizers maybe

[brittle pasture]

wait does it fallback to a default

[gaunt orbit]

At least I think so? Not sure what source rect it defaults to

[lucid iron]

i look forward to finally redoing sprinkler attachments where i had been a fool and redid half of the fert logic manually

[weak pulsar]

Hello everyone! I know of frameworks to give multiple skins for animals/objects/etc exist, but which would allow me to add multiple/new sprite sheets for critters in the world? ( like the birds/seagulls/bunnies/squirrels and such in the world?)

[reef kiln]

A fertilizer that effects regrow speed as well as initial grow speed would be great.

[lucid iron]

there's nature in the valley that let you add new critter like things

[brittle pasture]

Ultimate Fertilizer adds that effect to speed-gro

[gaunt orbit]

Custom companions can do that sort of

[lucid iron]

as well as ornithologists guild

but the builtin critters are mostly stuck i think

[weak pulsar]

Does anything allow critters to pick from multiple sheets? Or is it replacer only?

[lucid iron]

well u just make new bugs/birds/etc

they r new entities

[weak pulsar]

Oooh man bummer!! But at least I can add more with the other mods!

[lucid iron]

besides that u can do stuff like

[weak pulsar]

Thank yall for the quick advice

[lucid iron]

onlocationchange editimage critters.png

to change seagulls randomly

when u go2 beach

this isnt really framework and it'd change every gull at once lol

[gaunt orbit]

Technically you can add custom flavors of theater birds, but you can't spawn them without c#, sooo

[lucid iron]

i would recommend adding birbs/bugs

[weak pulsar]

Awesome, I'll do my own replacer + additions then!!

[lucid iron]

bugs (nature in the valley) is bit newer and the author is 8AwA8 on this seaver

[reef kiln]

You could look at SH wild animals and see how they added animal. Agian not skins but would let you add variety.

[weak pulsar]

OoOoooh all of those sound perfect. And when I'm ready I 100% wanna make a PKMN pack for 8AwA8's Nature in the Valley

[gaunt orbit]

I've genuinely been considering it, since atra is retired and IMO it's a mod that covers an otherwise overlooked aspect of gameplay

[gaunt orbit]

It always draws fertilizer from cursors if any fertilizer is on there, but I don't know what section of cursors it draws if it doesn't match a vanilla fertilizer. In theory I could postfix it to redirect to an empty region of cursors, but I think a transpiler is less hacky in this case

[calm nebula]

I went with a transpiler ish

I changed the draw tint and the source rect

[brittle pasture]

my memories fail me again, I could have sworn it didnt have a default case

[lucid iron]

u know looking at atra's mods by endorse

how come GIMA hasnt been updated

it seems really popular

[uncut viper]

how come GIMA hasnt been updated, atra

[lucid iron]

*updated unofficially i mean

[uncut viper]

its tangled into atracore

[calm nebula]

It's not that tangled

[uncut viper]

but more tangled than a lot of people doing unofficial updates care to untangle

[teal bridge]

Does SaveLoaded fire for co-op players joining? And if not, is there any event that does?

[calm nebula]

It should fire

[gaunt orbit]

well GetFertilizerSourceRect has gotta return something

so as far as I can decipher it defaults to [173, 462, 16, 16] if it doesn't recognize it

which I think is the same as basic fertilizer?

[teal bridge]

Don't recall ever actually using basic fert but it's the first in the grid so it should be basic.

[brave fable]

i really appreciate the ping and i also really hate that the solution to this issue is 'assign to null before reassigning to new'

of all the stupid interactions

[dreamy cedar]

Alas. The SDV code violates at least a dozen "never do that" rules I applied in professional life that usually prevent this sort of odd behavior from cropping up. Funny thing about "bad code" is that it often makes users happy anyway.

[brave fable]

i'm fairly sure i was reassigning pathfindcontroller for each new path when i last needed it (my sdvhalloween2024 mod) so it checks out that they were going through walls

i ended up going with a solution that just moved them randomly one tile at a time, which was fine since it checked if the tile was open, so it'd never hit/pass walls

https://github.com/b-b-blueberry/Halloween2024/blob/master/Halloween2024/ModEntry.cs#L525

[ivory plume]

@astral prism Hi! The Train Station mod is deprecated and won't be getting any further updates, besides minimal compatibility fixes. It's getting replaced by Central Station (see [pinned message](#making-mods-general message)), which will be released this week.

If you're interested, the attached Content Patcher patches would fully replace both the [BL] Downtown Zuzu and [TS] Downtown Zuzu content packs. See the attached screenshots, and a zip with Central Station + Downtown Zuzu so you can try it out.

[dusty scarab]

so I got another strange bug report (this time for my greenhouse mod), and I'm not sure how to fix it. it's a CP mod that adds greenhouses of various sizes to Robin's shop, and part of the perks is that it allows giant crops to grow indoors.

the giant crops persist through the seasons, but disappear from the greenhouse after quitting the game and reloading. CP and SMAPI are both updated to their most current release versions. does anyone know what might be causing this?

[lucid iron]

might be how giant crops are?

theres a mod called giant crop tweaks

[dusty scarab]

giant crops persist through seasons and loading on the farm, so I can't imagine they wouldn't do so in the greenhouse

[uncut viper]

well, theyre meant to be in one place and not the other. sometimes you have to image weird things when a bug report indicates that stardew might just be That Weird

[lucid iron]

i feel like you as a mere CP mod cant do anything about it either way

[dusty scarab]

I didn't think I could, but I wanted to see if you guys had a second opinion

[uncut viper]

i dont see anything immediately in any giant crop code that might lead to it but since its a terrain feature who knows where it might be buried in some terrainfeature enumeration

or if its there at all and not a mod conflict

[dusty scarab]

you'd think that it'd still be okay even if it was a terrain feature since the Tiled data has that flag set

[uncut viper]

im not saying it being a terrain features has anything todo with it, im saying itd be hard to find code that does things to giant crops specifically bc it might just be looping over a list of "TerrainFeature" and not like a list of "GiantCrop"

[dusty scarab]

ahhh

[uncut viper]

it is a terrain feature

nothing set behind any When conditions by chance?

[dusty scarab]

pretty sure these are the only When conditions, and they relate only to the greenhouses being visible in Robin's build menu

[uncut viper]

ive got nothn then

[dusty scarab]

here's the full snippet for a greenhouse, if case there's a When condition I missed

[tender bloom]

this used to be true in the greenhouse pre 1.6 fyi

i am not entirely sure if this was changed

try requiring Giant Crops mod?

casey's one

that one definitely fixed the giant crops disappearing in greenhouse in 1.5

[dusty scarab]

I will definitely offer that up as a suggestion to the person who submitted the bug report, thank you. I don't know why things changed in 1.6.16, but I'm glad to know that there's at least a work-around for it

[tender bloom]

I have not investigated giant crops at all in 1.6, so there may have been significant changes

Khloe also has a giant crops mod that may or may not be relevant/updated

[dusty scarab]

the weird thing is, the giant crops worked (to my knowledge) in 1.6.15, and I can't imagine what might have changed between now and then

[tender bloom]

That is definitely weirder

Maybe they have a mod conflict?

[dusty scarab]

I'm using an entirely different mod set, and I'm getting it on mine as well

[dusty scarab]

I am having difficulties finding the mod you mentioned, the only one by Spacechase that I could find only added additional giant crops to the game if you had the proper artwork for them. do you happen to have a link to the one you were talking about?
nevermind, found it (it didn't advertise the greenhouse fix, so I overlooked it at first), and it is not working for 1.6 :<

actually.... I'm going to try something else real quick nevermind, it did not work

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/25310 I was using this mod to force giant crops to grow, and it had a greenhouse option, and enabling that option does not keep the giant crops persisting across quitting and loading

[winter dust]

@stone fjord Hey, what happened with your version of Eemie's Recolour mod?

[rancid musk]

🤔

[winter dust]

Not possible, they haven't updated then.

[latent mauve]

Demand full log, odds are good they have the latest version of the MOD but not the game

[winter dust]

I guess direct them to verify their game files.

I wonder why Better Crafting requires specifically 1.6.15 or later?

[rancid musk]

Yeah, I'm just amused.

Oh, I always set my minimum game version to whatever I compile against.

[winter dust]

Ah yeah, that's not a bad idea tbh.

[rancid musk]

Since a lot of 1.6.x patches have made breaking changes.

[winter dust]

For my content packs I do the bare minimum version that everything can work on, and go from there.

[rancid musk]

And it's super easy to do with ModManifestBuilder

[winter dust]

Of course, there were several initial 1.6 versions where my mod was broken by the bus mechanic being updated, but that won't happen again, surely.

I have to check out Better Crafting, I've not checked it out yet.

[latent mauve]

I mean, build for compat with Central Station and you should be good from now on? LOL

[winter dust]

That's what I was going to do, look into Central Station, thanks for reminding me.

Oh right, Central Station replaces BusLocations too doesn't it?

[latent mauve]

Just as a heads up, the current(?) alpha won't show the bus menu until it's unlocked but that should be fixed on the next one it got fixed

Oh wait, I missed a new alpha update earlier today/yesterday, it's probably fixed

This is why the question mark LOL

[astral prism]

much appreciated! i’ll transfer it over next chance i have

[gentle rose]

haha that got fixed like three alphas ago!

[astral prism]

oh wait, i just saw you literally have the pack done! what a legend. thank you so much 😮🫶

[winter dust]

Gonna be using CentralStation for Garden Village then.

[latent mauve]

Yeah, I was busy at work and Pathos apparently released a ton of alpha versions while I was gone! Just finished catching up on the updated docs

[winter dust]

@ivory plume Heya, so I was wondering if there were gonna be any more UpdateKey entries made available in the future? I know it takes a lot of time to set them up, just wanting to know, thanks.

[winter dust]

If you didn't specify a price within STF for items in a store, does it default to what price was defined for each item?

[median dune]

Hey @lucid iron, regarding the invetories. I take it that I can just pass null for methods I don't do custom actions for like highlightFunction? Or is it something necessary

[grave scarab]

Hiya, I'm doing some troubleshooting to do with my localisation and UI re-colour mods

basically at least one of them has trouble with loading assets and things being replaced (I can't help some of them as it's designed to do that), more importantly small things like the title menu buttons having no text (UI mod provides a custom font)

in-game text works fine and my mod does not modify the base game's title menu buttons or the font

anyone know which file the title buttons' text are located in?

[winter dust]

Turns out, yes it does just grab the items base price if you don't define one.

[brave fable]

thanks for the help with the absurd dialogue question strings earlier, by the way
@velvet narwhal @gaunt orbit @calm nebula
somehow it actually turned into some completely functional complete gibberish
&& @vernal crest xo xoxoxo xo

i think it was you three anyway. if not, no refunds

[grave scarab]

alright I figured out what is happening, not sure how to fix it though without having to copy a file from the other person's UI mod:
UI re-colour mod has the Minigames/TitleButtons assets split out into a "base" TitleButtons.png sprite with the buttons, and a separate base-game-language-specific TitleButtons_{{language}}.png file with transparent background, containing the actual text which is overlaid onto the button

this is in contrast to the base game having the base TitleButtons.png sprite having the English text on by default

as a result, since my language code is en-GB and not en, their mod looks for a non-existent TitleButtons_en-GB.png, fails and fails to overlay any text on their button

[velvet narwhal]

i don't recall doing anything if you mean giving you pep talks, anytime

[brave fable]

didn't you write the tutorial on nested dialogue questions

but the pep talk was also extremely important and i didnt say thank u at the time

[velvet narwhal]

no that was aba

[brave fable]

well you linked it and that's as good as author credit

[velvet narwhal]

[brave fable]

you wrote... the url

[velvet narwhal]

redirect your love to @vernal crest cause aba did take awhile to write it and i use it myself

[grave scarab]

is there a way I can report a different language code to these UI re-colour mods, or do I have to create compatibility mods to fix individual cases?

in 99% of cases all I'd need is for the other mod to see en instead of en-GB

and the former is an exponential amount of work to keep up with

[vernal crest]

Remember how I was so excited and then so crestfallen because you were doing your questions in C# so I couldn't send you my tutorial on chained (nested) questions? Yeah that was the tutorial Avi sent you the link to haha

(Thank you for the love about it Avi you're a sweetheart )

[winter dust]

So, my NPC Shop is accessible regardless if an NPC is nearby, specifically the NPC I designated, would setting it to "AnyOrNone" fix this?

[hallow prism]

i think the wiki has info about that

[calm nebula]

Not sure I did anything useful haha

[faint ingot]

question: is it possible to wipe an NPC's 'memory' of having responded to a conversation topic? So that they can have the same response to that topic on multiple occasions?

basically I want to add an $action trigger to a dialogue when a conversation topic is active, but need that action to be triggered more than just once if the player wishes

[ocean sail]

@faint ingot You leveled up to Farmer. You're now a prettier shade of blue. Thanks for sticking around!

[calm nebula]

It feels like friday

Yes, remove the mail flag <npc name>_<conversation topic>

[faint ingot]

awesome thank you

[faint ingot]

I officially have a chicken next to my name now yay

[fading walrus]

i'm frankly amazed i managed to cheeto you without also accidentally giving you five other roles

[wanton pebble]

Sdvhead Is now server admin thanks quill

[fading walrus]

LYOKO NO DON'T SCARE ME

[faint ingot]

watch out i'm going mad with power

[fading walrus]

I had butterfingers while cheetoing

[hallow prism]

can i remove a tile data with CP edit?

[wanton pebble]

I believe so

[calm nebula]

What do I have to do for jukebox junkie

[wanton pebble]

I'm almost certain I used it in part of a saloon breakfast To get rid of SVE's Tile stuff

In the saloon that is

You just null the action Or whatever else the property is

[brave fable]

hmmm i'm not sure you did it right then, most mod authors seem to have like 5 orange roles

[fading walrus]

make a snackrifice to blueberry or go listen to music for a while in the saloon

[fading walrus]

alas, sdvhead only qualified for two

[hallow prism]

i have rainbow roles

[gentle rose]

I technically have a published content pack now, can I get contentsmith /lh

(the published content pack is boncher)

[calm nebula]

How many hours am I at?

[drowsy pewter]

I technically have a published C# mod ignore that atra wrote it

[hallow prism]

progress

[calm nebula]

I have too many unpublished c# mods

Maybe I should do something about it

[vernal crest]

Ooh I do actually qualify for more Cheeto roles now because I have released a mod with my own art and my own C#! (With a lot of help from Roku haha)

[blissful panther]

[vernal crest]

-polite cough- and my own art!

[blissful panther]

https://tenor.com/sju8.gif

[vernal crest]

Thanks DH!

[gentle rose]

are you willing to put up with all the "did you unretire" comments though

[calm nebula]

No

[gentle rose]

knew it

[vernal crest]

They get those every time they even express a thought about mods though

[gentle rose]

publish them under an alias that nobody will recognise

vitaatra,? jatravita,?

DRMP

publish as drmp

[vernal crest]

MathPerson. Make us all guess which one of you did it.

[slender badger]

Ativarta, no one will guess that

[gentle rose]

unfortunately the three mathpeople have three different tastes in mods

[vernal crest]

We just need to recruit more

I could not be one though because my cover would be blown as soon as I tried doing any maths lol

[gentle rose]

mathpeople assemble

[blissful panther]

Need to start a guild of MathsPeople to compete...

[hallow prism]

i can be NotAMathPerson

[blissful panther]

To be fair, I couldn't in good conscience call myself a MathsPerson...

[gentle rose]

I have the certification to say that I am one but the refusal to be a part of any group is strong

[brittle pasture]

oh you're a math person? name every number

[gray bear]

0-9

(i am whatever the opposite of a math person is)

[gentle rose]

what kinda number

[blissful panther]

Imaginary only.

[hallow prism]

∞

[gentle rose]

natural, complex, rational,

isn't that just {iz | z in ℤ}

for all the imaginaries

oh there's actually a symbol for it directly, 𝕀 lmao

there ya go, all the imaginary numbers

[gentle rose]

that's a float /hj

[hallow prism]

you want imaginary numbers? imagine them yourself!

[gray bear]

but i don't want to imagine numbers

[brittle pasture]

would you rather Imagine Dragons

[gray bear]

no i want the dragons to be real

[tiny zealot]

fine. FINE.

[gray bear]

oh wow.

[calm nebula]

It's February and you're still festive

[blissful panther]

You know, maybe I ought to fix that by now...

[gray bear]

you went from festive to human? suspicious /j

[hallow prism]

if i want to have like, a menu with choices and those choices are setting a flag/triggering an action

is there a framework allowing that?

[tender bloom]

Valentines is a holiday

[hallow prism]

i bet on spacecore, i hope it does

[blissful panther]

Oh no, I've corrected too far now.

[tender bloom]

I think that framework doesn’t exist

[true coyote]

gm! I tried a couple of adjustments to see if I could get it in, but perhaps I'm missing a load action of the tilesheet somewhere? sifting through SVE's fence stuff hasn't given me any clues

[hallow prism]

oh well

i tried 😄

[tender bloom]

But people were talking about it

[brittle pasture]

MMAP has that now I think

[tender bloom]

So it might exist in the future?

[brittle pasture]

I bullied chu into adding it

[hallow prism]

ok mandatory question of what is MMAP

[calm nebula]

Chue's more map properties

[true coyote]

misc map action properties I think?

[hallow prism]

thanks 😄

[true coyote]

but i may be pulling that out of my ass

[hallow prism]

i'll look into this

[calm nebula]

Meep, mmap

[hallow prism]

i may do a basic version without a question and then a complex with one with MMAP as optional dependncy

we need mipp and mo0p then

[true coyote]

and morp

[gentle rose]

clearly it's meep, mmap, mopp

[lucid iron]

Mrrp

[lucid iron]

https://github.com/Mushymato/MiscMapActionsProperties?tab=readme-ov-file#mushymatommap_questiondialogue-question_dialog_id

[blissful panther]

(Can we get some kind of... centralised mod-added tile property page so I don't accidentally add something that doesn't exist in future? )

[tiny zealot]

thinking about MMR and MUMPS and once again wondering when MEASLES will be released

[brittle pasture]

for now there's https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Content_pack_frameworks#Maps.2FLocations

[lucid iron]

Tbh i wouldn't mind if we just combined into captain planet

[brittle pasture]

framework authors feel free to edit and shill endlessly

[tiny zealot]

(i also think it's okay if there's accidental overlap in which mods provide which map properties)

[lucid iron]

MMAP started as map stuff that i was hoping to PR into other ppl's map thing