making-mods-general

[slender badger]

There's one called francium too!

[gentle rose]

(google says the half life is 7500 years for one isotope and just over 470 for another)

...I should probably check wolfram for questions like that rather than google

.wolfram what is the half-life of Americium-241?

[patent lance]

433 years (432 to 433.2 yr)
(Value and uncertainty are estimates based on systematic trends.)

[gentle rose]

ty uber

[hallow prism]

i definitively hope i'll have something ready before that, not sure if i'll really got time for one after

[brittle ledge]

There's also two Leilanis, which you'd think would be unique enough, but nope

[lucid iron]

Maybe we just gotta start giving npc last names

[brittle ledge]

If someone else calls their NPC JortsCat though I'm calling shenanigans

[lucid iron]

Is there a Jean

That one's actually a name ppl can have right

[gentle rose]

isn't Leilani a fairly common Hawaiian name?

[brittle ledge]

I haven't seen one, but that's why Jean is JeanCat

[ivory plume]

(^)

[fathom hound]

just realized i gotta download all these mods that i might not have room for to test -gulp- uninstall install uninstall install lol

[hallow prism]

https://tenor.com/view/the-s-impsons-bush-homer-simpsons-homer-hiding-gif-4325800

[brittle ledge]

Anyway Anaira, there's also an NPC name list on the modding wiki. It hasn't been updated in forever but it'd be a start with the un-namespaced ones.

[fathom hound]

thank you you all are very kind and informative

https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/CSV_NPC_List

[brittle ledge]

Also when I make my mod involving a Jessie that ALSO works at Joja, I absolutely will play off that for laughs

[gentle rose]

do npcs like jorts and jean count as standalone npcs

[hard fern]

naming my npc Juliette lol

[hallow prism]

they are standtogether npcs

[gentle rose]

they aren't standalone, they're together. a very small expansion

[brittle ledge]

[hard fern]

(jk, i have enough names for now)

[hallow prism]

but otherwise, yes, they are

[brittle ledge]

I consider them standalones rather than an expansion, yes.

[formal crown]

Someone said scientific elements 👀

[brittle ledge]

To me an expansion should have at least one extra map + at least five NPCs

[gentle rose]

but they aren't alone 😭

I refuse. They are a mini expansion

[lucid iron]

What if a mod has several new area but 0 new NPCs

[brittle ledge]

Then it's just a map mod, like Nooks and Crannies or LNH's New Areas.

[formal crown]

Aren't there some mods like that already?

[ivory plume]

(Do they have to be full NPCs, or are non-social NPCs fine? Does Central Station count as an expansion now?)

[fathom hound]

dont mind checking myself but just wanted to have a list down before I start this for easier access

[lucid iron]

Always has been

[gentle rose]

yes, I think it does

[brittle ledge]

(I usually count socials, I'd say it could be a mini expansion tho )

[lucid iron]

In fact it's sort of a meta expansion, the mad libs expansion where everyone can toss their pieces into the soop

[brittle ledge]

Inb4 we scope creep Pathos into social NPCs

[tawny ore]

Oh no, the whole what is an expansion discussion

[gentle rose]

an expansion that almost creates a frame that allows other mods to work

there should be a name for that

[tawny ore]

IIRC You need at least 10 marriagable NPCs to be an expansion /s

[uncut viper]

i think an expansion is something that expands on the vanilla game

[brittle ledge]

Can't believe you just disqualified my expansion, Acearo Town

[gentle rose]

...according to your definition, ao3 fics are expansions, button

[uncut viper]

why shouldn't they be

[gentle rose]

fair enough

[tawny ore]

It's not an expansion unless it's at least as big as the vanilla content

[tribal ore]

Real question: how much testing do you guys all do before releasing to beta? Every branch of every event? Every line of dialogue? Every day of every schedule?

[brittle ledge]

That varies per person. I'm uh kinda lazy about testing so I usually do all the main bits

[final arch]

every branch of every event, dialogue and schedule not too closely

typos and event shenanigans is what a beta is for

[gentle rose]

depends what kind of mod, but no matter what just remember that players will find new and creative ways to break it (as is the rule with all software)

[final arch]

events used to fcked up the game "permanently" so you had to close and restart it, now its much better sooo I wouldnt worry too much there, either

[uncut viper]

if i was making a mod with a bunch of events and dialogue I'd be testing them as I added them, not after doing a bunch at once

[hallow prism]

hey before you scope creep pathos in whole expansion i kinda hoped i could scope creep him in getting custom trains and be able to have trains passing in custom locations

[ivory plume]

I try to test every piece of new content (every event branch, dialogue, etc). I won't retest everything when making a small change though.

[inner harbor]

Sticking a couple of additional letters on the end is aboit the extent that my brain can cope with.

[final arch]

you have dialogue mods pathos? 👀

[ivory plume]

Yep! Central Station now.

[final arch]

oh havent seen that one yet

[tribal ore]

Alright. I've got 3 more events to write and test and then I'm going to throw this open to beta. I need feedback

[uncut viper]

If it's for a beta and not a public Nexus release though you don't have to test too rigorously because that's what the beta testers are for /hj

[tribal ore]

How do you all find beta testers anyway?

[hallow prism]

usually for a mod i test several cases to get sure i get the base working, then if possible i playtest

[gentle rose]

which one of us (dibs not it) is going to make a stardew automated testing framework, like mocha for javascript

[hallow prism]

like if i got one dialogue working, chance is the others are too

[uncut viper]

someone did make one iirc

[brittle ledge]

Who gets beta testers

[uncut viper]

at iro

[tawny ore]

Isn't Central Station technically a scope creep from Train Station

[lucid iron]

Yeah valleyunit/smiteunit

[hallow prism]

events i do test each of them because they are tricky and it's how i can really judge if the rythm is fine

[lucid iron]

It's very good for testing split screen coop

[fathom hound]

ruh roh, there are 2 Barrons on this list lol

[tribal ore]

I probably over test events xD

[hallow prism]

(i got alpha testers)

[fathom hound]

out of all the names, it had to be Barron

[tribal ore]

It's the year 2 variants plus all of the marriage dialogue and schedule changes that I haven't tested as much as I should yet, I think

[hallow prism]

central station is available for testing here, right? maybe i should look at it at some point

[gentle rose]

linkoid? all I can find is nuget packages by them

[lucid iron]

I think if ur mod doesn't like, delete the game somehow, and has enough content for u to play yourself, then just ship it

[lucid iron]

It is a nuget package yeah

[ivory plume]

Yep. I was updating that mod and it was turning into a full rewrite, so I figured at that point I could just write it from scratch which also lets me rethink the approach.

[tribal ore]

Just YOLO it, eh? xD

[fathom hound]

does central station have marriage candidates lol

[gentle rose]

interesting. I wonder if there's any documentation anywhere

[brittle ledge]

I believe that's the same Barron, Clown moved them out of ES iirc

[lucid iron]

There's a bunch of setup that I don't remember how to do anymore

[fathom hound]

PHEW thanks lol

[hallow prism]

so CS will not be a TS addition but a replcement ?

[lucid iron]

Maybe u just ask linkoid

[tawny ore]

I also subscribe to the belief that part of why we got SDV 1.6 was because Pathos temporarily took over the spacechase0 repos

[brittle ledge]

Also Barron's a pretty new character iirc, so their internal ID may be namespaced

[ivory plume]

Yep, Central Station is a full replacement for the older mods like Bus Locations and Train Station. It does integrate with those though, so if you have those mods installed their stops will appear in Central Station too.

[hallow prism]

oh cool!

[ivory plume]

(If it's of general interest to content mod authors, maybe I could pin the Central Station updates for visibility.)

[gentle rose]

in another universe we might have done all out c# mod dependencies through convoluted nuget packages

[hallow prism]

it may solve my issue with another project that was "i'd like to offer to go in bus, but bus can be late"

maybe a thread? but a pin can work too

[tawny ore]

You could host a pinned thread as long as there are enough discussions taking up space in #making-mods-general

i.e. if mod authors are having trouble having their questions get noticed

[ivory plume]

Yep, Central Station doesn't have that issue. You can always take the bus to Central Station, even if you haven't unlocked the bus to the desert yet.

[fathom hound]

this is so overkill im done determined

[ivory plume]

Sure, a thread could make sense. (Though it'll also reduce visibility to mod authors here.)

[hallow prism]

and i imagine for VMV i could have fancy stuff like "being able to go from bus on specific days"

(well you can still mention it here, lot of authors with thread are still doing that)

[lucid iron]

I wish discord has the thing in slack threads

[hallow prism]

(but at least for people like us with non standard hours, we can catch up faster)

[lucid iron]

You can post to both thread and parent channel

Then pathos can do that for beta versions of central station

[gentle rose]

it does have forwarding now, so you could post in the thread and forward releases here? which will link back to the thread automatically

[hallow prism]

one thing i wonder is hmm

for expansion mods currently the main thing preventing people to have expansion non in valley is dealing with npc warp

will CS offer some solution to that? is it even possible without creating loop hell?

[gentle rose]

Do you mean like pathfinding loops?

[fathom hound]

rasmodia will have a different namespace than Magnus in SVE btw right??

[hallow prism]

yes, pathfinding loops

[gentle rose]

theoretically, I think npcs aren't going to use cs in their schedules since it has no ordinary warps, so as long as the expansion either only has one warp to/from the main area or it's very careful about its warps it should be fine?

[hallow prism]

i mean

[gentle rose]

and then you can have additional access through cs

[gentle pebble]

I have my house on the layer building except the top part which is infront I tried walking onto the porch area and it wouldnt let me. Is there a layer that im suppose to put on for walking on that isnt paths?

[hallow prism]

the issue arise if a mod is adding a "distant" area that you reach with train/bus whatever

then npcs can't travel to there, they can travel from there because people can add npc warp from their area directly

i was hoping CS could solve this part somehow

like, for VMV my solution was to add a npc warp in town, this works as long as no one else is doing it

[gentle rose]

I don't think it directly impacts npc travel in any way

but can't npcs be spawned directly in the other area?

[ivory plume]

Central Station is an upcoming mod which lets you travel to mod locations in a more immersive way using boat, bus, and train networks. It has a central station hub where you can switch lines, visit the food court and gift shop, see tourists and pop-up shops from other mods, and more.

See more info:

• for players;
• for mod authors.

Feel free to try it out and report bugs, feedback, or suggestions here! This is the best time to try adding your mods to Central Station and see if there's anything you don't like, before it's released and the format becomes much harder to change.

Join the alpha thread for discussion and previews!

[ivory plume]

There we go. Separate thread for discussion, and pinned summary here for any mod authors who are interested.

[hallow prism]

thanks! should i bring the npc warp discussion there or is it too complex/out of scope for that?

(i will do it after dinner if it is interesting to consider)

[gentle pebble]

Im interested

[fathom hound]

oh this is so exciting, what a fun mod

[ivory plume]

I think you'd normally use NPC-only warps with warp rooms for things like that, but feel free to bring it to the thread if you want to discuss an idea for how Central Station could help.

[faint ingot]

I guess you can't use a $query dialogue key in a map tile action? Was looking at ways to implement a new witch shrine

[hallow prism]

thanks, i'll see if i can get a suggestion about how it could, the issue for npc warps is that they are great for area > pt, not for pt > area

[gentle rose]

(I have an idea about this but will send it in the thread)

[inner harbor]

One of the maib issues with the naming was farmers children npcs which took the same name as antisocial npcs, which wasnt supposed to break things but did. Luckily little npcs has a very namespaced name for their kids now.

I stick an LK on mine now unless its obscure but wont change my old npcs cos thatll mess up pre existing saves.

[rocky copper]

I'm getting a weird issue; I'm making a new farm map and I'm trying to leave some tips through the Action Message tileproperty, but if I call up the message through the i18n, it adds "(farm map)_" before the message. The only way I can make it not do this is if I use "Action": "MineSign" and then write out my message in the tile property itself, but that means it won't be able to be translated; if I use the i18n even in MineSign it still adds the qualifier before the message. Any ideas?

[inner harbor]

Farm animals can produce two things right? So i could make a bird that produces eggs that are internally coded as male or female so i can have both types as viable barn animals?

The males will produce feathers, the females eggs.

[lucid iron]

If you want them to be mutually exclusive then i would fo alternate purchase type

Have 2 actual type of animal that are noted as male and female lorewise

[fervent horizon]

Can you do a conditional check on the animals gender though?

Otherwise what is the gender field for

[true coyote]

since it doesnt seem sprite index follows typical x/y coordinates, how do I pinpoint which 16x16 grid gets what index

[tiny zealot]

count (top left is 0. increase left-to-right and top-to-bottom)

[fervent horizon]

The only vanilla animals that are not female are rabbit, and pig, and they ar both coded maleorfemale

[tiny zealot]

if you are making your own spritesheets it can be convenient to make them 10 units wide (160 px for 16x16 items). that way the tens digit is the row index

[fervent horizon]

There is a Player_Gender GSQ, but not an animal one

[true coyote]

so I guess I'm just confused on how it differentiates from each row with a single number? like first row is easy but after that, like?

like, this is the first 3 of my top row, left to right it would be 0, 16 and 32, right?

but the following rows, in normal x,y are 0,16, 16,16

[warm imp]

If those boxes are 16x16 pixels, then each box is its own index. So it's be 0, 1, 2 for that example

[unique sigil]

no, it would be 0 1 2 if you're talking about indices

[warm imp]

The next row would be 4, 5, 6. The indices keep increasing by 1

[true coyote]

I'm determined to never mod again after this lol

I should put a note every time I need to ask a question to explain it like I've never seen this stuff before because I haven't lol

anyway have to go fetch my child

[royal stump]

yeah, a mod would need to add the GSQ, and possibly patch the animal code to include the specific animal for context; as-is, it only tells GSQs which location the animal is in

[fervent horizon]

Yeah, I have been looking and it doesn't look like there is a way to do it without C#

Maybe Extra Animal Configs could add it

The gender is only used when you buy the animal at the moment

[royal stump]

Button might be up for adding it to BETAS too
(I'd add it for EMP if needed, but swamped enough not to volunteer right away )

[fervent horizon]

Is it Selph that does Extra Animal Configs?

[gentle pebble]

I decided to move my house out of the way of the spring onions

[royal stump]

looks like it, yeah

[deep cypress]

Remind me in 8 hours child.checkaction

[patent lance]

grumbles, mutters some vulgarities about humans...apryllforever in particular... fiiiine. (#6510557) (8h | <t:1738640853>)

[fervent horizon]

@inner harbor you might chat with Selph or Buttons about adding it to one of thier mods, but it doesn't look like it can be done with just CP.

[deep cypress]

Vulgarities about me is the perfect response!!!

[tribal ore]

Oftentimes, avoiding the problem is a lot easier than coding around it

[gentle pebble]

yea 😔

[whole raptor]

The internal name is the same, the only difference between Rasmodia and Magnus is display name and dialogue changes (for the most part)

[tribal ore]

Do farm events work when the player moves their farmhouse? I see that most vanilla events start the farmer in front of their door (64 15), but with the player being able to move the house with Robin, it feels like those would break?

[whole raptor]

Ah you meant just the name, should've read up 😅

[whole raptor]

Farmhouse events are near impossible, too many custom farmhouses + every player can have a different furniture layout (unless you don't mind them walking through furniture)

[tribal ore]

Not events in the farm house, but outside on the porch

Was hoping I could compromise that way

Lots of vanilla events (Clint giving furnace plans, Marnie giving pet) start there

I guess I could just move my house day one and see what happens when a vanilla event triggers

[deep cypress]

All the net code, was it all invented by CA?

[blissful panther]

Someone from Chucklefish helped out when it was added, I believe?

Just going on memory, though.

[final arch]

yes

nothing of the netcode was done by CA I believe

[deep cypress]

I guess what I mean is, it’s all specific to Stardew (which is why it’s not like System.netcode).

[royal stump]

(probably this in the credits)

plus the parts by casey, etc, though I think that was all later

[deep cypress]

(Mostly, I am trying to figure out that the whatnots behind the wherefores).

Thanks luvs! This explains why I get weird results too if I google netcode.

[royal stump]

yeah, the net classes aren't part of .net or anything, it's bespoke stuff wrapped around SDV's classes

[blissful panther]

Probably all made specially for Stardew, too. Doubt it was an internal Chucklefish thing adapted for it with how Starbound is all C++ and Lua.

[fathom hound]

Thank you!!

[deep cypress]

I’m at work and bored, busy reading through decompiled code in the githubs.

[tribal ore]

Ok, if you move your farmhouse day one and trigger Clint's event, it still starts you on the porch correctly. I wonder if that means that coordinates are translated somewhere for Farm events

Because the event itself still has the farmer at the default spot of 64 16

[ivory plume]

(Tom Coxon wrote the original netcode implementation if I remember correctly. We've definitely made changes to it since 1.3 though.)

[tribal ore]

Maybe it's the "continue" keyword...

[agile terrace]

Ok. I'm making a very quick, and probably dumb question. Is it possible to have different floor layouts for the cabins and the farmhouse? I mean like... Have it so that say you have a tiny house floorplan on the cabins and a normal floorplan for the farmhouse?

[tribal ore]

That would be a different interior map, right?

[ivory plume]

Yep, events on the farm are offset automatically to match the farmhouse position; see the ignoreEventTileOffset event command (and related C# code).

[agile terrace]

Yea that's what I'm wondering

[ivory plume]

The farmhouse/cabins use the same map asset, so you'd need to change that first and I'm not sure what the implications of changing that would be. It would likely be a C# and possibly Harmony mod though.

[agile terrace]

Ok! Thanks. I -assumed- that it wasn't just a "Oh you plunk this in there and tada!" but it's nice to have confirmation.

[tribal ore]

Beause it is going to bother me, there is no documentation of the "continue" command on the Events modding page, but I see it in vanilla events. What does that do?

[velvet narwhal]

that's the MusicID

[tribal ore]

Omg xD Of course it is

[tribal ore]

Thank you!

[wanton pebble]

Continue just means w/e was playing keep playing, no?

[velvet narwhal]

it's index <0>/<1>/<2>

[tribal ore]

Excellent. Now my brain can let it go xD

[agile terrace]

I feel that Kantrip.

[velvet narwhal]

i do suggest the excel sheet resource if you do ever want to change the BGM for an event

[tribal ore]

Ooooh, thank you. Data makes me happy

[hard fern]

the bgm spreadsheet gives me... it gives... im one more bgm not fitting the mood away from just making my own

[rigid oriole]

Is the modding wiki audio page up to date with this?

[velvet narwhal]

i have no idea

i also do not remember where i got this excel sheet

[ivory plume]

(See the equivalent track list on the wiki. Sadly we can't just move the spreadsheet info to the wiki, since it's unlicensed and proprietary.)

[rigid oriole]

It's def out of date bc it's missing some new 1.6 sounds (wiki is)

[velvet narwhal]

!makeevents btw, tia updated it to not be a gigantic list for me

[ocean sail]

So you wanna make events?

The modding wiki Events category has multiple tutorials, guides, and tips from event masters like Arknir, Aviroen, SMC and more!

If any more are made, feel free to add them into this command!

To use this command, type !makeevents.

[true coyote]

ok, now that I'm adding all these seasonal sprites to the objects json, what do I need to add and where to make sure that each of these sprites is correctly assigned with the config'd options (ie if I chose DNER, light option and it's fall, how do I make sure it's assigned to that correct sprite index)

[dusk mulch]

@blissful panther I still don't understand the mail flag thing (nobody explained it)

[ivory plume]

(Feel free to ask the question here, and someone else will answer if they can.)

[dusk mulch]

So I need to make a condition that removes a patch when a mail flag is set to true. (aka, read/done). I am not sure how to execute that into a when condition though.

[ivory plume]

So you have a Content Patcher patch, and it should only apply when the mail flag isn't set? That would be:

"When": {
    "HasFlag |contains=YourFlagId": false
}

[ornate trellis]

me: yay I am ready with this one outdoor map so I can finally start my library map
Me when said library map needs all new assets made:

[dusk mulch]

Thank you! I will try this out.

Okay, it doesn't work. This is the JSON. https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/aa27c83712f844cba5ac15267a47e1ba

[wanton pebble]

There's a lot going on there

I don't think conditions is a patch field for that type of patch

[dusk mulch]

I am using PEEM (An extension of MEEP)

[blissful panther]

Yeah, the only relevant part here is the mailflag MoreSecretNotes.Artifact.ArtifactGot, and the map patch part!

[wanton pebble]

Oh I see

Remind me in 4 hours to look at MEEP/PEEM stuff so I don't get caught unawares again

[patent lance]

Ugh I suppose, agentlyoko (#6510639) (4h | <t:1738630110>)

[dusk mulch]

damn sassy bot

[blissful panther]

(PEEM here is just a one-off offcut of MEEP to be distributed alongside this mod only, just to be clear!)

[ivory plume]

(Properties Extra and Extensions Mapping?)

[blissful panther]

(Exactly!)

[dusk mulch]

So what do I need to change?

It is going of the refresh.

I'm not getting any console errors either.

(apart from tilesheets but thats normal)

[winter dust]

You can license the file on the wiki as the same license the files have.

That's what Wikipedia and others do.

[hallow prism]

(what does this mean?)

[hallow prism]

(but the files have no license if i get it right?)

[dusk mulch]

The mod is still refrencing "DaysToRefresh" instead of the When condition.

[blissful panther]

In this case with the mailflag, the days to refresh will be... mostly useless. Just set it to something high for safety!

[hallow prism]

i am missing context

[blissful panther]

The only part needing to be solved now is the When condition for the map patch, which I've learned approximately 5% of the syntax of.

[dusk mulch]

What is the bit integer?

[agile terrace]

Can someone link me to the page that lists what you can make things do when you click on them? like warp/kitchen/stuff like that?

[dusk mulch]

Where can I find the wiki page for it?

[dusk mulch]

That is to do with mapping, (tiledata)

[blissful panther]

We want this map patch to (and correct me if I'm wrong, @dusk mulch) apply the patch when the player has a certain secret note, but remove the patch when a certain mail flag is set.

[dusk mulch]

Correct

[velvet narwhal]

Known Tile Properties for maps if that's what you were asking

[ivory plume]

The wiki has a license, but the comprehensive spreadsheet that was linked above doesn't. So we just can't upload or copy that (unlicensed) spreadsheet to the (licensed) wiki.

[velvet narwhal]

it's deeper in there but it should have all of it, should be on the Object layer with the square named TileData (either in Tiled or you can CP format it)

[hallow prism]

the format looks correct, i'm not sure what is adding the mail flag but "artifacts" may need a more solid naming convention

if it's the correct name, it may need an update rate

if it needs to be refreshed same day

[dusk mulch]

I have a condition to do the first part, Can I just do

"Conditions": "PLAYER_HAS_MAIL <player> <mail id> [type]"```?

[agile terrace]

Yes, Thank you both @velvet narwhal @dusk mulch

[blissful panther]

Yeah, that part is wrong. It should be MoreSecretNotes.Artifact.ArtifactGot to correspond to the actual mailflag's name.

[hallow prism]

you can do conditions but i have no idea how they refresh

"when" stuff i know the possible refresh rates

[winter dust]

You don't always have to follow the wikis license, it's just there as a general license to the wikis content, doesn't mean it has to be that license.

[dusk mulch]

I think they refresh once every day. (not sure)

[blissful panther]

Every day is sufficient for the purposes here, yeah.

[dusk mulch]

Be right back

[hallow prism]

then maybe you don't need a when then

[ivory plume]

Yep, I'm aware. But the spreadsheet doesn't have any license at all so far as I know; it's fully proprietary / unlicensed / non-open which means we can't redistribute it.

[winter dust]

Speaking of the Wiki, they really need to update it, it's severely out of date now with many security issues live.

[rare orbit]

so. quick-ish question? for rsv? what characters mention mayor lewis outside of lenny? i wanna make a lil compatibilty for mayor louise but idk how to outside of editing the dialogue for each npc

[hallow prism]

try searching for "mayor" or "lewis" in the whole RSV folder

[dusk mulch]

back

[blissful panther]

"Conditions": "PLAYER_HAS_SECRET_NOTE Host SecretNote24", isn't a thing, is it?

[hallow prism]

it's not a question people can really answer, no one will know this by heart

[ivory plume]

(It's being worked on by a third party, but I've given up on asking for status updates.)

[winter dust]

Including a few XSS vulnerabilities, I've asked about them updating it a few times now, and they said they were updating it and then no response.

[hallow prism]

i don't know the GSQ by heart either but the wiki has them

[dusk mulch]

That is, it checks if a player has a secret note set by their ID.

[winter dust]

Yeah, they're taking literal years.

I would've had it done by now if I was allowed to help.

[blissful panther]

I mean the "Conditions" field itself? I can't see it in the CP docs.

[hallow prism]

oh

i thought it was a meep/peem thing

[rare orbit]

yay! this'll be fun n long ;w;

[hallow prism]

not really

[dusk mulch]

"Conditions" does work. It is under https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Game_state_queries#Player_info_.26_progress (this is the things you can use to define conditions)

[rare orbit]

wait really??

[hallow prism]

let me introduce you to "search in the whole folder" feature

in french here, exists in other languages

notepad++ here, exists in other programs

[dusk mulch]

I will try the mail condition, hold on.

[rare orbit]

oh wait really? so fire up notepad plus plus then open the rsv files and search for lewis

[hallow prism]

yes

[velvet narwhal]

probably all of it will be in the i18n folder -> default.json

[rare orbit]

i apologize if i sound dumb af i went to school i swear lol

[hallow prism]

here in SDV folder unpacked, with a filter to exclude translations

no it's ok to not know about all stuff making searching easier, i don't know all of them either

[ivory plume]

I'm not sure if MEEP/PEEM adds it? But if not, Conditions isn't a Content Patcher field. You can use it in game data fields that specifically support it (e.g. NPC appearance data), but you can't just stick a Conditions field anywhere.

[dusk mulch]

Oh...

[blissful panther]

MEEP/PEEM does not, yeah. I'm just working on whipping up a CP conditional for what we need here... and learning the syntax as I go.

[hallow prism]

(i had people telling me about some of the useful ways to search for things)

[rare orbit]

lowkey coding and moding makes me feel like someone reading hieroglyphs for the first time ;w; no offense! it's just very confusing for me

[teal bridge]

("PEEM"?)

[hallow prism]

it's ok, there's definitively a bit of learning curve

[dusk mulch]

Properties Extra and Extensions Mapping

[hallow prism]

once you get the first hieroglyphs decrypted it'll be easier

[blissful panther]

(A dumb five second name, because I ripped some framework stuff out of MEEP to get this working a little faster.)

[teal bridge]

These acronyms sure are getting confusing... and a bit silly.

[ivory plume]

(I feel like we need an !acronyms command about not using acronyms in discussions without defining them.)

[velvet narwhal]

(i should probably ask button about the json syntax toy if they're okay with touting it around )

[hallow prism]

!TLA

[winter dust]

We had one though, didn't we?

[ivory plume]

(!tma (too many acronyms))

[rare orbit]

true true!

[hallow prism]

😄

[blissful panther]

Hmm, so I'm not seeing a CP condition that allows for checking if the player has a certain (I believe custom?) secret note?

[rare orbit]

maybe whenever i return to school i should take up classes on coding ;w;

[hallow prism]

i don't remember if the custom note is allowed to set flag

once read

[teal bridge]

In all seriousness, I'd love to see a !define or !wtf command that takes the acronym as an argument.

[rare orbit]

i know it's not required but it might help!

[teal bridge]

And have mod authors be able to add their names/links.

[hallow prism]

if yes then this is the best way to proceed i feel, associate a flag to the note

i THINK i did that in VMV

so i can have Cool Effects (tm) once a note is read

(as flags are pretty generic and can be used in various places)

[dusk mulch]

What wiki page are you using?

[hallow prism]

Person, there is a difference between a CP condition and a GSQ condition

[rare orbit]

is there a way to simply add compatibilty without replacing the files? i am 50/50 with messing with internal files incase i find a way to mess up and honestly i like the idea of making unistalling easy by just deleting it rather than reinstalling ridgeside

[hallow prism]

DecidedlyFestive is searching the first, you are speaking about the second

[rare orbit]

since ridgeside is a rather large mod

[dusk mulch]

I am still trying to get used to it. Sorry

[hallow prism]

which can't be directly used as a when condition without another mod

it's ok!

it's why i explain

[blissful panther]

The CP docs. Keep in mind that GSQs are very different to CP conditions, yeah.

[hallow prism]

it's not obvious to know what "condition" means in a context

it's like when we say "action" or "events", there's like 3 different meaning for each

[tender agate]

what's GSQ?

[hallow prism]

you can edit specific dialogues by editdata and targeting the right keys

[velvet narwhal]

(i have no context to what you're doing, were you changing lewis in some way? because you'd probably have to change out specific dialogue keys according to the npc's Character/Dialogue/<NPC> to re-route to whichever you need)

[wanton pebble]

Game state queries!

[hallow prism]

a TLA /j
(game state query)

[royal stump]

these, the system used in "Condition" fields and such
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Game_state_queries

[tender agate]

ty

[hallow prism]

(for context, TLA in this context means two/three letters acronym)

[blissful panther]

(Joking aside though, that acronym command is a good idea!)

[dusk mulch]

Fun... So what now?

[hallow prism]

it's like people that know a place a lot speaking about shortcut when you don't even know when the train station is, you just feel lost

[inner harbor]

Bummer i thought it must be possible cos ducks and rabbits both produce multiple items. Hmm....

[teal bridge]

I would do it but I don't think any of the existing bots are capable of that, it sounds like programming.

[wanton pebble]

This was me initially when trying to learn C# anywhere - it assumed a base level of knowledge that I didn't particularly have

[ivory plume]

You can just reach the CS from the BS/TS/BT and then use the TC to reach SVE/RSV.

[inner harbor]

It either that or have eggs hatch into one of two different things.

[rare orbit]

mainly just trying to change lewis to louise and his pronouns to her to match the mayor louise mod

[wanton pebble]

On the bright side, courses I'm currently on have gone knowledge start point level so I'm good now

[rare orbit]

ok! i'll try to do that! i'll likely upload a screenshot to see if i am doin it right

[blissful panther]

I'm fairly sure it wouldn't be too much work. It could probably just function like the existing command defining command, but requiring a prefix to run one of them.

[velvet narwhal]

(use the json uploader please )

[wanton pebble]

the only one(s) I don't know (for sure) here are TC and BT

otherwise I understood this entire thing

[latent mauve]

Is there an easy way to tokenize pronouns based on an NPC's gender?

[hallow prism]

central station bus station train station boat... tomething .... tomething cable?

[latent mauve]

For instance, a NPC talking about another NPC in dialogue

[teal bridge]

Boat Terminal?

[wanton pebble]

Nope. I needed a mod for this

[teal bridge]

Bus Stop, Train Station, Boat Terminal

[ivory plume]

You can just reach the Central Station (CS) from the Bus Stop (BS) / Train Station (TS) / Boat Tunnel (BT) and then use the Ticket Counter (TC) to reach Stardew Valley Expanded (SVE) / Ridgeside Village (RSV).

[wanton pebble]

I did it for Date Night Redux

[rare orbit]

honestly that'd be nice ;w; would make stuff like genderbend mods easier to add compatibilty\

[teal bridge]

Oh, Tunnel. Well, close enough.

[hallow prism]

thanks 😄

[wanton pebble]

Boat tunnel??? ooooh

Ticket Counter I should have known though XD

[hallow prism]

this one would have eluded me

[tawny ore]

Central Station Hard mode would be having actual schedules you have to follow to reach specific destinations to/from stations.

[hallow prism]

people can do that with Game State Queries

[tawny ore]

Oh, sorry the train was on time today and you just missed it. Have to wait another hour.

[dusk mulch]

@blissful panther I think the best I can do is just set the refresh to the bit integer. (Any normal playing person wouldn't play for that long.)

[teal bridge]

Yeeeaaah, that sounds like a lot of fun.

[wanton pebble]

for @latent mauve since it's not vanilla, you can use this as a dependency if you'd like: https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/23637

[velvet narwhal]

i mean there's plenty of realism mods out there, what's another one? /lh

[ivory plume]

That'd be kind of fun. The train car is an actual location that transits from location to location, and you need to make sure you actually get off at the right stop. (Way out of scope though.)

[teal bridge]

Virtual Commute 3.7, now with Rush Hour Traffic!

[wanton pebble]

sorry, took me a moment to nab

[hallow prism]

ahah 😄

[dusk mulch]

I gtfg anyway

[tawny ore]

Now approaching, Ridgeside Village, watch your step

[dusk mulch]

srry, bye

[latent mauve]

Thanks! I'm trying to limit dependencies but with how big this mod is becoming anyway, that might not be possible at some point xD

[signal needle]

We could do it as a second command, but the way the custom commands work now, we'd have to completely change how they're implemented/how the database is laid out

[wanton pebble]

Oh trust me if it ever becomes vanilla I'd be thrilled

HOWEVER

[blissful panther]

That would genuinely probably work as a very hackish solution!

[wanton pebble]

Gender's generally static in vanilla, so I don't see it happening

[latent mauve]

True

[teal bridge]

Yeah that's sort of why I figured "another bot" and probably a slash command.

[blissful panther]

(I'm sorry for dragging you here, Aquo. )

[signal needle]

I kinda like the idea of a wtf command tho, although it honstly could just be a slash command with a single acronym as a parameter

then I think maybe we could get the autocorrect to show a list of them as you search?

[velvet narwhal]

(honestly i've given up on thinking i have too many dependencies for all of my chaos at this point )

[signal needle]

who knew we gave mod authors their own channel

[tawny ore]

Slash commands have the ability to present info just to the calling user, right?

[hallow prism]

!wtf wtf inception incoming

[ocean sail]

Weekly Terrific Farms (2018-2019) was a semi-regular showcase of server members' farm designs! You can find an index of all W.T.F. posts here:
#governors-mansion message
And you can view all of the, dare I say, terrific art created for the series here: https://imgur.com/a/I9VOTmv

To use this command, type !wtf.

[ivory plume]

I think a command like that would just encourage people to use acronyms more, since others could just !wtf them. So I'd rather a single command that just discourages using acronyms without defining them, and optionally links to a wiki page with a list of common ones.

[agile terrace]

@woeful lintel I haven't heard anything from you in a while. How do? I know you were working on a rework a while back. mostly just curious how that was going ^_^

[hallow prism]

ok i didn't expect a command already existing 😄

[signal needle]

Yes, but I'm unsure if the info it presents is customizable, I'll have to play around

[wanton pebble]

"Wtf wtf already exists??" XD

[teal bridge]

lol, Pathos really thinks we're going to get people to stop using acronyms. Such an optimist.

[blissful panther]

(Pathos's idea is significantly less work, and probably better in the long run...)

We can hope!

[latent mauve]

Honestly a train car map with revolving Warp patches every hour would be funny but I worry about the number of update checks it would need to function.

[ivory plume]

(Or we can just interrupt discussions to ask for definitions until people do it automatically. "CP? Canada Pacific railways?")

[wanton pebble]

yeah minus the discourage acronyms thing I think Pathos's idea would work

[dusk mulch]

Well since it is the simplest I will go with it

[wanton pebble]

we can use SVE/RSV/common acronyms, and if anyone goes "Whaaaaaa?" we hit em with the acronym command

[teal bridge]

Personally, I like the idea of it being public, because then everyone else who's confused but too timid to ask will see the definition. And people will actually get used to the acronyms.

[wanton pebble]

whabam

[velvet narwhal]

(does this mean i can call it SUI?)

[hallow prism]

something like "remember there's a lot of acronym and this can be overwhelming and confusing for people not familiar. Take the time to avoid them to help people to understand what's going on. Here's a list of some common one."

[teal bridge]

I mean, it's just automating the process of some rando jumping in every 3rd conversation going "what does XYZ mean"?

[signal needle]

I guess that's the first question we should answer. Do we want to educate people on the various acrynoyms, or discourage their use altogether lol

[hallow prism]

(Daylight Saving Time)

i don't think their use is a problem in context of people knowing what's going on

[tawny ore]

We haven't even begun to delve into shorthands that borrow letters from the middle of words. Looking at you LGTM where the M stands for proMetheus.

[latent mauve]

Look, my acronyms are the only reason I ever get a post out from my phone xD

[wanton pebble]

Ed-u-cate! Ed-u-cate! Ed-u-cate!

[rigid oriole]

why would we replace let's get this merged/looks good to me /lh

[tawny ore]

TT conTent paTcher

[teal bridge]

....what?

[ivory plume]

I think acronyms are fine mid-discussion, but the first time you bring up an acronym in a discussion you should ideally define it.

Like:

So I'm looking at the Central Station (CS) format, and I was wondering if we can do X with CS tourists?

[teal bridge]

Yes but people are people and won't do that.

[lucid iron]

I always feel kinda iffy on what to call stardewui in short

[tawny ore]

I guess technically it stood for Mimir, but people are reusing LGTM to mean Prometheus now

[lucid iron]

SUI

[teal bridge]

I don't shorten it, personally, I think Stardew UI is short enough.

[ivory plume]

Rather than just starting straight off with "So I'm looking at the CS format with the SVE CP pack and I was wondering how it works with TS?" and most of the people in the channel have no idea what you're talking about.

[teal bridge]

The "UI" part is already shortened.

[velvet narwhal]

i do generally fully type out stardewui tbh, if the acronym isn't in the mod's page, i type it out

[lucid iron]

Yeah

[teal bridge]

You're right of course, it's just that we can't reprogram people. And bullying them to always define their acronyms every time they start a new conversation doesn't seem like the best way to go.

[velvet narwhal]

the only exception is GMCM

[hallow prism]

it just clicked that the Metheus puzzle in Don't Starve Together was maybe a reference to Prometheus then

[lucid iron]

Although sometimes i mentally think of "sml" ui vs "vanilla" ui

[royal stump]

(I'll still push the acronym for FTM because the full name is deceptively obsolete )

(and I can't think of a retcon that makes sense)

[ivory plume]

(The number of times I've typed out the full "Generic Mod Config Menu" name in Nexus comments when people ask about config...)

[lucid iron]

Feed The Maps

[blissful panther]

Just release an update to lock it to farms only, problem solved.

[hallow prism]

i don't think it's about bullying, it's about giving context of "some people in discussion don't have all the clues, pls provide them"

[teal bridge]

Well, that too has an official abbreviation (StarML) although admittedly no one who hasn't used Stardew UI is going to have any idea what that is.

[lucid iron]

You spawn things on map, feeding them

[tawny ore]

Umm... actually it's Generic Modification Configuration Menu

[velvet narwhal]

i honestly just type generic and casey is first on the dock from the dropdown

[hallow prism]

if i ask pathos "can i do this in CP" i don't think he will answer "in Content Patcher (CP) you can" unless some people active need the info about what CP is

[teal bridge]

Yes, so we are going to be nudging people several times a day about this, which just takes up more space.

[hallow prism]

i don't have this feeling

[ivory plume]

(Often I will actually include "Content Patcher" in my response for clarity, plus it lets it appear in searches when someone is looking for info.)

[teal bridge]

It's silly, why not have anyone able to type /wtf vmv to get the definition for themselves?

[hallow prism]

but also are we limited in space?

[velvet narwhal]

i think it'd be more for brevity and when the chat is going super fast

[teal bridge]

Come on now, don't be overly literal about this - it's about conversation flow, we are interrupting a natural conversation with a "policy thing".

/defineing an acronym doesn't interrupt the flow, bugging people to define their acronym themselves does interrupt the flow.

[calm nebula]

Clearly you need to join forces with hardware designers

[blissful panther]

(Also Atra because I see you typing, spring onion patch is a fun idea!)

[ivory plume]

I don't think it's really all that serious. Ideally we should define acronyms the first time we bring it up, so the discussion is accessible and searchable for anyone in the channel. But we're not going to be enforcing policies about it or something.

[calm nebula]

I'm supposed to remember what svt means

[blissful panther]

(If I were to do that though, it would probably just be generic crop patch with the crop specified, though.)

[tawny ore]

Thankfully, no one has attempted to make CB a thing

[calm nebula]

I love you but platonically

[hallow prism]

honestly i don't think i will change all my habits all the time, but if i can remember to do it when needed, it's also ok for me. I don't have a feeling about this as strong as yours, focustense, but maybe it can work in small amount

[velvet narwhal]

....super... violet... trees...?

[teal bridge]

Content Batcher

[calm nebula]

No. It doesn't have meaninf

[hallow prism]

science et vie de la terre

[velvet narwhal]

(i hate it here)

[hallow prism]

sorry it does atra!!

[calm nebula]

It's just threw randomly choosen letters by Texas instruments

[tawny ore]

When you make a Content Patcher adjacent mod, I don't think you're allowed to have your own abbreviation

[latent mauve]

Wait, you mean it's not Stardew Valley Time?

[hallow prism]

ok maybe french doesn't count

[velvet narwhal]

(unrelated: Junimos and Folklore being a key defined as 'science' made me laugh for central station )

[teal bridge]

I actually know SVT as Software Verification Testing, which is a very silly acronym compared to QA, but people use it.

[tawny ore]

Everytime someone mentions SVE, I think about a YouTube channel called Sous Vide Everything.

[royal stump]

no, that's SD
(hm, I think there was a more relevant code thing I meant to joke about, but I've lost track)

[hallow prism]

"do you have compatibility with Sous Vide Everything?" "???"

[tawny ore]

I mean, when they say everything, they mean everything

[hallow prism]

(i love the random french in some english stuff)

[blissful panther]

@dusk mulch So if we want the hackish solution, set that item pickup cooldown to 4000000000. Not quite the highest we can do, but that's still over 35 million Stardew years.

[dusk mulch]

Amazing, ty!

[blissful panther]

And I feel like if someone plays for that long, they deserve to get a one-time-only item twice.

[lucid iron]

(i been hearing about this mystery PEEM feature but i have no idea what it do)

[tawny ore]

/wtf peem

[hard fern]

whats the difference between peem amd peem

*meep and peem

[blissful panther]

It's just a one-off little mod! Interact with tile, get item with a specified cooldown.

[hallow prism]

(apparently, confusing people it's what PEEM do 😄 )

[lucid iron]

Machines on da map

[hard fern]

machines on da map....

[teal bridge]

My next acronym's going to be SC, but I probably won't abbreviate it.

[velvet narwhal]

(i wonder if tia fixed the little library FTM machine thing )

[hallow prism]

"skull cavern???"

fun fact, i always want to abbreviate skull cavern in SK

[blissful panther]

(It's in a conlang, and SC is a perfectly valid word?)

[hard fern]

secret corn

[lucid iron]

The skull kavern

[teal bridge]

It's... not released yet, so it's none of those things of course. But thank you for illustrating how confusing I can make it.

(Also, SC stands for So Confusing)

[tawny ore]

I've tried making an abbreviation happen twice, and older me thinks it was unecessary to begin with.

First was CC, then XS.

[brittle ledge]

Should be

[hallow prism]

i like having nice acronyms, not sorry

[ivory plume]

(I'll need to create a new mod with the acronym CP just to be confusing.)

[blissful panther]

(Corn Prowess?)

[hallow prism]

it needs to be a framework with content packs, so we can say "can i use CP to edit CP?"

[ivory plume]

(My new mods, Crop Patcher and Content Preconditions.)

[hallow prism]

a crop patch mod to replace the feature of TMXL

[lucid iron]

Tmxl sure has 9001 features

[tawny ore]

Just make a new mod also called Content Patcher, but it does a different thing

[brittle ledge]

(if we do, the Abbreviations page on the modding wiki should be up to date.)

[lucid iron]

I haven't heard of this one

[hard fern]

new and improved content patcher than can only ever patch crops

[tawny ore]

Are you referring to Content Patcher 1915 or Content Patcher 20025?

[brittle ledge]

Croptent Patcher, you mean

[iron ridge]

9001 features and no documentation

[hard fern]

lol, all this talk of abbreviations makes me have to think about my own again

[hallow prism]

it has a feature allowing you to have real crops in locations not the farm, including optionally harvestable

[lucid iron]

Oh so like springonionzone x y w h

[hard fern]

in fact i have no idea what im even going to name my mod

[brittle ledge]

Isn't it an NPC mod?

[hard fern]

checks notes
at least one of them, yeah

[brittle ledge]

Honestly simple is usually best because Nexus's search sucks.

Hence why Jorts and Jean are just "Jorts and Jean, new custom NPCs"

[tawny ore]

Oh man, do I need to consider SEO when naming mods now

[hallow prism]

"lumisteria present : a new complex title because it works so well on nexus" is my future title

(or maybe not)

[teal bridge]

I'm acronyming my mod SDV now, for teh traffic.

[ivory plume]

(Fun fact: Nexus search results are sorted by newest by default. So if you search Content Patcher, the actual mod is on page 18.)

[tawny ore]

I heard Nexus likes it when you re-release major version of the same mod as new mod pages /s

[lucid iron]

I sometimes google content patcher in hopes of reaching the github docs

And then i click on this playable ocarina - content patcher mod like a fool

[hallow prism]

quick english question : decision to make, or to take, or both?

[brittle ledge]

Make

[royal stump]

yeah, pretty much always "make"

[hallow prism]

thanks

[tawny ore]

Decisions to make, steps to take

[hallow prism]

english make them so french can take them

[brittle ledge]

And yeah, especially if you're doing a C# mod i feel, put the things people would search for in it.

[calm nebula]

I have too much pride to seo

[brittle ledge]

There was an experience mod the other day that just had "Exp" in its title and I only discovered it from comments in a different mod.

You don't have to include every synonym ever but

[hallow prism]

yeah i feel for the children mods the word they use may give a big part in them being visible

depending of what the user will search

[tawny ore]

I'll name my next mod Nexus so that it's basically not able to be googled

"Nexus" nope "Nexus Mod" "Nexus Stardew Valley Mod"

[royal stump]

my mod titles sound like SEO sometimes, but it's always just "i like this backronym and i'm going to force it to work"

[hallow prism]

sometimes it's hard for me to find stuff (or be visible) because my "default" word isn't always in phase with the default of native english speakers

(not only on nexus, but also on stuff like wiki)

[blissful panther]

(And Matt, Rider is still refusing to play nicely with hot reload for me with Stardew. )

[tawny ore]

I gave up awhile ago. Have mostly gotten used to the VS workflow now.

[blissful panther]

The craziest part?

[lucid iron]

There's a quest chain in SVE called "nexus"

[tawny ore]

I know if I was ever able to get back to Rider, I would pick it right back up in a heartbeat because it was so pleasant to work with

[blissful panther]

[ENC2014] Changes made in project require restarting the application: Could not found output assembly for mvid

https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/RIDER-91177/Blazor-hot-reload-and-apply-changes-does-not-work

This specific error only ever seems to crop up in Blazor projects.

[lucid iron]

Name makes sense in context but...

[teal bridge]

You joke, but if you want to rename a mod or change its ID...

[tawny ore]

I've been hunting down this issue on and off for years now

[blissful panther]

Wait a minute...

https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/RIDER-115928

Is... is it related to the embedded PDBs?!

[tawny ore]

Let me know how that goes, I'm willing to try anything

[blissful panther]

Absolutely trying that now.

[tawny ore]

Not that VS has been bad, just not as nice

My only major gripe in VS at the moment is their Git experience is suboptimal

[calm nebula]

Still?

[tawny ore]

I have to exit the tool to do anything useful

[blissful panther]

Yeah, I'd just use any number of external tools for the VCS stuff if I had to use Visual Studio.

[teal bridge]

Git has gotten pretty good in VS to me... it even autocompletes issue numbers and such.

[tawny ore]

When the issue first arose, I was so stubborn that I ran Rider and VS side-by-side

Rider for development, and VS specfically for debugging/hot-reloading

I'm sure VS is perfectly acceptable for its git integration, in the same way that I'd never miss out on Kobe Beef if I had never tried it.

[blissful panther]

It definitely works just fine, it's just the experience.

Which is pretty much the entire reason I prefer Rider.

...Matt.

[tawny ore]

Don't tell me that worked

[blissful panther]

<DebugType>pdbonly</DebugType>

Hot reload now works.

[tawny ore]

No friggin way

[blissful panther]

In debug mode.

[tawny ore]

Alright, time to reinstall

I was such a Rider stan that I prepaid for 3 years of Ultimate to lock in the lower price, only for them to make it free

[blissful panther]

@ivory plume, I do recall there was a good reason you changed ModBuildConfig to embed debug symbols, though?

I'll just have them only be separate when building for release to be safe, but still, this working now in debug is fantastic.

[ivory plume]

They're embedded for Linux/macOS compatibility, and to reduce issues caused by adding/removing/replacing PDB files (e.g. SMAPI needing to try..catch errors when loading a mod if the PDB and DLL don't match).

[blissful panther]

Then embed for release, separate files for development. Easy enough, and sounds good to me!

[tawny ore]

Too much work, can that be automated

I need to learn csproj wizardry

[blissful panther]

Trivially, yeah.

[rancid musk]

<DebugType Condition="$(Configuration) != 'Release'">pdbonly</DebugType>```

[blissful panther]

Yup, that!

[rancid musk]

Of course, if you have that cool ModManifestBuilder someone made, it makes absolutely sure you'll notice if you build your plugin in the wrong configuration by appending non-Release configs to your version string...

But if you want to be extra careful you could also make sure not to make a .zip of a Debug build by tossing in a xml <EnableModZip Condition="$(Configuration) != 'Release'">false</EnableModZip>

[teal bridge]

I suspect it's still not going to work on Mac, because hot reload is broken there for other reasons - like having to be on .NET 8+.

[blissful panther]

Ah, fair, it might be a different issue for Matt.

[rancid musk]

Mac seems like a pretty hostile place to do dev work, honestly.

[teal bridge]

Not really. Better than Linux for me - I mean, for the specific genre of mod work.

Just kind of slow because of the emulation stuff.

[faint ingot]

How can you put a newline in a location message? \r\n didn't seem to work

[rancid musk]

1. You don't have to pay for a license to release software for Linux.
2. See also the whole ordeal recently with SMAPI getting flagged by Apple's anti-malware stuff.
3. Pretty much every development tool has to work on Linux if for no other reason than servers and CI stuff. This is not true of Mac.

[blissful panther]

(I'm exceptionally mad at Apple for that SMAPI issue.)

[meager loom]

Can someone possibly point in the right direction to the docs for adding crops with content patcher? I've been converting an old mod I was working on years ago and I'm gonna try to tackle the JSON Assets stuff now. I tried using the converter but I can't seem to get it to work

[acoustic summit]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Crop_data is the main one I believe for crop data

[meager loom]

ty! I'm always bouncing between looking on the content patcher github and the wiki and the modding wiki lol i can never find anything

[velvet narwhal]

(that's probably needed in the wiki.gg, a full rundown of what's necessary for crops, cause i feel like this comes up and it's usually a convoluted mess)

[teal bridge]

None of this has applied to me. Not even the SMAPI malware thing.

[tribal ore]

Yes. Panic when I first tried to run SMAPI after months away

[teal bridge]

If we're generalizing about every single kind of development, building software for users of MacOS or iOS then sure, the licensing thing is an issue, but not for Stardew modding.

[rancid musk]

Fair. I was generalizing about building for Mac in general.

Though on the topic of Stardew modding, I can't test anything on macOS without spending hundreds of dollars on an additional machine. That's definitely a situation.

[blissful panther]

(Damn it, you're not allowed to be civil when discussing development and OS choice on the Internet. /j)

(It's one of my favourite things about discussions like that here, though. Never seen things go bad yet if I recall correctly!)

[lucid iron]

In the context of game modding/hobby code it's like "well im not gonna change my os just for this"

[wanton pebble]

I'm going to be real though

[tribal ore]

We had a whole discussion about open source licensing the other day that didn't go south

[wanton pebble]

if you changed your OS just for a modding thing

[meager loom]

What's the process for converting the sprites? In JSON assets I just have folders for each crop and then crop.png in each folder, but for content patcher it seems like you need to add the crop to TileSheets/crops and then load it. Can someone elaborate a bit more on how to do this cleanly? I have a good few crops that need to be converted

[wanton pebble]

I don't know whether to be impressed or terrified

[blissful panther]

Wow. I feel like that's more impressive.

[wanton pebble]

It was good and educational!

[lucid iron]

Some ppl might be motivated enough to dual boot for it

Im too lazy

[wanton pebble]

~~ I still dislike closed source stuff though ~~

[tribal ore]

First time I've ever seen everyone stay so respectful and civilized

[rancid musk]

I also miss having Safari builds for Windows. Even if they weren't parity to the macOS Safari at least it was closer than just kind of running things on Chrome and assuming "meh it probably works"

[blissful panther]

I know I've been pushing for MPL for frameworks, and MIT for general mods here recently-ish.

[rancid musk]

But that is definitely not stardew modding related, lol. Just me being stuck in web development purgatory forever.

[acoustic summit]

MPL?

[lucid iron]

Oh why MPL over MIT for framework specifically

[blissful panther]

GPL-like protections without being too... Gnu-associated.

[rancid musk]

Mozilla Public License

I'd still be on MIT if Curseforge didn't think that was shorthand for "Steal my build artifacts"

[tribal ore]

For data only mods as well? I haven't put a license on mine yet. Not quite sure how to. But I figured it didn't matter too much since it's just (just) CP stuff with no custom code

[blissful panther]

For mods like that, some Creative Commons version might be a decent choice.

[lucid iron]

But what is the nuance for 2 different license here

What is a general mod

[tawny ore]

Sadly, this doesn't seem to fix my mysterious issue

[teal bridge]

I don't have any religion about this since I use all the platforms.

All I'll say is that Windows is much, much faster for debugging Stardew stuff, everything else is painful.

[blissful panther]

MPL means any offshoots needs to also be MPL licensed, keeping the source available. MIT doesn't require the source remain available.

Which I feel is most important for frameworks, but less so for general code mods.

[tawny ore]

MIT is pretty much do anything you want, with barely any guardrails

[lucid iron]

Naruhodo, so it's less "general mods should be MIT" and more "MPL better but MIT is ok"

[teal bridge]

I'll stick with MIT, just don't want any entanglements with mod stuff.

[blissful panther]

Yeah, anyone can pick whatever they like.

I do also like the WTFPL. /j

[teal bridge]

You know businesses won't touch the WTFPL, right?

It's equivalent to no license at all.

[blissful panther]

It's worse, agruably.

[teal bridge]

I completely agree with the idea behind the WTFPL, but it also demonstrates that typical tech geek lack of awareness about how the real world operates.

[lusty elm]

I'm trying to decide what to add to this map, as I have 1 or 2 more cave sections I can do. I have 2 Large quarry areas on the surface already, I have an area for Mushrooms, fiddleheads and probably other forage, a greenhouse like area, and a sauna. Any Suggestions?
I'm almost thinking turn one of them into a "Bat cave" where its just a cave that spawns fruit using FTM.

[blissful panther]

(The /j there was important! It's not actually good, I'm just entertained by it.)

[teal bridge]

(I saw the /j, don't worry)

[blissful panther]

Maybe an area specifically for getting trash from crab pots? Very niche, but it could take up very little space.

[winter dust]

I use GPL2 afair.

[lusty elm]

valid

[winter dust]

Of course WTD wasn't my mod originally so I try to keep the license as open as possible.

[blissful panther]

Aww, man. Did you definitely delete the old assembly and force a rebuild and confirm a PDB is generated?

[teal bridge]

GPL2 is not an open license.

[winter dust]

I can't remember what I use.

I just woke up.

[lusty elm]

Also technically one of the caves is leading towards a map edge, so i could just have it be a "through" area and lead to another surface area, That Might be nice.

[teal bridge]

Not saying you shouldn't use it - as DH/DF said, that's a personal choice. But it's not open.

[winter dust]

I use MPL-2

Similar characters.

[teal bridge]

Oh, yeah, MPL2 is open.

[tawny ore]

I'll do some more tests later. Hoping there's a way to make it work.

[winter dust]

Confused the M for G.

[teal bridge]

That one character makes a big difference!

[blissful panther]

I'm going to hope it might be possible because it is the exact same error I was getting.

[meager loom]

What exactly does embedding a tilesheet into a map do? Does it make it so you don't need to include the tilesheet with the map?

[rotund elm]

Quick question, if I export a tilesheet from a vanilla map to a .tsx and its named "untitled tile sheet.tmx" do I need to change the name back to the original sheets name before importing it to my map?

[lusty elm]

yes

[meager loom]

Awesome thank you

[lusty elm]

well, kinda.

[winter dust]

Does anyone embed tilesheets anymore? I don't see a reason to unless it's small.

[lusty elm]

Technically it will store the animation data into the map, but it still needs access to the sheet, but can pull from base vanilla, but can apply the animations to a base sheet, if its a custom sheet, you still need to insert it into the files.

[uncut viper]

in my experience looking at mods and people making them, most people embed them

[lusty elm]

I do, but its more because thats how I learned and it used to break things if you didnt.

[meager loom]

Makes sense

[winter dust]

If you're talking about TileData then sure I do that too.

[blissful panther]

Okay, @dusk mulch. I need to go sleep now, but here's a release candidate version of PEEM. The JSON you currently have (extremely long cooldown/refresh time) should work as-is. If there are no issues, I'll send over a final version tomorrow you can include with your mod on release!

[rotund elm]

So I'm assuming I can just embed it without renaming it to the original and it wont pose any issues?

[velvet narwhal]

personally, i just have the vanilla map + the map i'm working on, grab whatever tile i needed from vanilla + paste it somewhere into the new, just so i'm not fiddling with tsx

[rotund elm]

wait that works..... XD

[velvet narwhal]

save, close and reopen, and the tilesheet should be there in your new map

[lusty elm]

The name of the tileset in Tiled just organizes them in loading order, kind of like a "Nickname", but the actual filenames they pull from, should be the same as the base vanilla files.

[velvet narwhal]

this with a caveat of: all of my tilesheets are default embedded because that's just common to avoid tilesheet climbing as per the modding maps suggestion

[lusty elm]

and being honest, I learned Modding 5 years ago, and we've made leaps in progress, understandability, documentation, knowledge, and making things not break.
A lot of what I say is probably way out of date, it will still work, but there is likely an easier way that I'm not aware of. as I have a tendancy of Vanishing for 4-8 Months and coming back for 2-4, then Vanishing Again.

[velvet narwhal]

secondary caveat: i work strictly in my unpacked maps folder, not my mods folder

but yeah, it's, uh... a mess in here

[wanton pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/could-be-worse-worse-eek-yikes-its-alright-gif-13884804

You should see my notepad++ tabs

or worse... my chrome tabs

[velvet narwhal]

oh i'm a religious closer-of-tabs

[wanton pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/alive-akward-asleep-ahh-as-if-gif-18720571

[lusty elm]

A Minor Note for anyone who uses Tiled, The colors, Shades W/e of the Entire Interface is customizable, and I always recommend customizing it to something that is easier on your eyes, as the Default when i first installed... wasn't. Especially cuz maps are going to be hours and hours of screen staring.

[blissful panther]

Meanwhile me, with light mode Rider.

[velvet narwhal]

i think button uses light mode ilspy

[winter dust]

So what does PEEM do differently to MEEP?

[velvet narwhal]

i have brightness sensitivity so even my monitors are at like, 50% brightness

[blissful panther]

(I use light mode on everything but my phone because it's just legitimately miles easier on my astigmatism.)

[teal bridge]

As it was yesterday, and the day before, and the month before, dark mode objectively reduces reading comprehension.

[rancid musk]

As a non-"religious closer-of-tabs" (... a tab athiest?), this is just

[teal bridge]

Why do you have a photo of my house

[winter dust]

You will have twenty tabs open and you will like it.

[blissful panther]

PEEM is technically more of a C# component I made for their mod, not something that will be released on its own for general consumption.

[hallow prism]

it's not a real house is there's no random piles of stuff on the floor!

[winter dust]

So what does it do exactly?

[calm nebula]

Please, I have a five deep stack of tabs on VS

[wanton pebble]

If I saw that and they had apologized about their house, I would be like "alright friend, no further talking, we're taking a break" and if they ask, I'm going "because this is WAY cleaner than my place, so you're probably exhausted from cleaning" XD

[velvet narwhal]

i can't help it, if i see the tab i'll think i still need to work on it

[lusty elm]

If I have more than 10 Tabs Open I am only doing 1 thing, Looking at Art; Either as Terrain References, Landscaping for inspiration, or looking at dozens of portraits to choose one to represent a Character for a TabletopRPG or something.

[blissful panther]

Adds a tile property so that when you interact with the tile, you get whatever item you specify with a cooldown of however many days you need.

I will likely roll it into MEEP at some point. It's effectively finished as is.

[winter dust]

Ahhh, cool

[rancid musk]

I currently have:

• 41 Chrome tabs
• 13 Firefox tabs
• 9 Notepad++ tabs
• 8 Terminal tabs
• 16 Photoshop tabs
• unknowable Visual Studio tabs

[blissful panther]

Do we count "open" tabs on phones?

[velvet narwhal]

i look away respectfully

[winter dust]

Yes

[blissful panther]

Because if so, I don't even think I could count.

[wanton pebble]

well, I have you beat on internet tabs by 10, but I don't have the VS tabs, the Photoshop tabs, or the Terminal tabs

but..... uh

I have like 40 notepad++ tabs open to make up for it?

Oh we aren't counting our phones

[hallow prism]

my phone can only have 99 tabs open at same time, so i always know my number of tabs on phone +-1

[wanton pebble]

I'd be at 120 tabs without blinking

[rancid musk]

Are we talking current phone or old phone that I still occasionally use

[wanton pebble]

both

[rancid musk]

Current phone only has 6 browser tabs, old phone is at like 30 something

[calm nebula]

My phone reports 🙂 tabs

This is what it reports once it's above 99

[lusty elm]

I have 5 Tiled Tabs, Because this map has 5 maps. Like 8 Tabs open for Different Novels on my Phone. and 2 on My computer, a Daily Checklist to make sure I do stuff and a Starcraft 2 Professional Vs Video as background noise, thats it.
Everything else I just open as I need it.

[tribal ore]

sweats in 200 tabs on the phone

[velvet narwhal]

-# i'm sorry i've derailed mmg yet again

[tribal ore]

I occaisionally purge, but I can never get it much under 30 at a time

[brave fable]

the only time you need to close tabs is when you're actually out of available ram on your device. but even then it's best to just buy more ram to make sure that doesn't happen again

[tribal ore]

I love the way you think

[blissful panther]

That's what your page file is for.

[lusty elm]

However, I tend to Bookmark instead of keep a tab open, I have 20ish Folders for Bookmarks, with anywhere from 1 to like 20-30 in each.

[brittle ledge]

I only have 14 tabs open because I am ADHD and if I cannot read what the tab is I will forget it's there

[velvet narwhal]

my stardew bookmarks folder is starting to get chunky

[tribal ore]

Bookmarks are great in an actual browser. I don't use them on my phone

[blissful panther]

Honestly, this is genuinely why I need to get better at not being the way I am with them... and yet it's also the reason I am the way I am with them.

[brave fable]

i have and will never use bookmarks and so help me god i'll open more tabs

[teal bridge]

Does anyone else open up a bunch of tabs in private windows and then get annoyed when it's impossible to get them back after a restart?

[lusty elm]

I use them on my phone, but i'm a lot pickier about it. many are TabletopRPG links so I can play off my phone at the table or Links to Web Novels I read weekly.

[velvet narwhal]

maybe it's the sense of, "i'm done with this, i don't need it at the moment" that makes me religiously close out of it

[rancid musk]

Bookmarks exist so I can forget about them for years and then go "hmm what's this" and find a 404 page

[blissful panther]

I just generally never use private tabs unless I need a quick and easy clean cookie slate test window.

[tribal ore]

But you might need it later!

[lusty elm]

Then you bookmark it

and forget

[velvet narwhal]

autocomplete will just solve that for me

[lusty elm]

^

[lucid iron]

sometimes, i write things in new text files in vsc

and then i close them even tho i still need it

[lusty elm]

A lot of browsers pull up bookmarks as a priority in the autocomplete formula

[tribal ore]

Nice

[blissful panther]

So we need a browser extension that adds the page to the internet archive when you bookmark it and bookmarks that instead? Good idea!

[teal bridge]

Search engines are faster than digging through bookmarks.

[brave fable]

i choose to live in 2001 by disabling autocomplete and manually writing out https://www.stardewvalleywiki.com/category:modding every time

or just find the tab. it's in one of these windows i swear

[teal bridge]

The number of times I've searched for a solution to some problem only to find a post/answer/etc. written by... me.

[tribal ore]

Going back through the tabs reminds me of all the shit I wanted to do but haven't gotten around to. It's like keeping a notebook

[velvet narwhal]

that's what my vs22 checkmarks are for in the solution explorer

"haven't touched it since last commit? was i finished with it?"

[blissful panther]

If I need an unmissable bookmark in my mods, I just do int i = "x"; where I need it.

[brave fable]

incidentally, can i add non-project folders to the solution explorer in vscommunity? i want to look at my content packs alongside the cs project in the solution, but since removing their csproj files and using the <ContentPacks> sdvmbcngp feature they aren't visible in my solution anymore

[tribal ore]

My mods are covered with "TODO"

[brave fable]

very verbose for what could be covered by a simple !;

[lusty elm]

i type m into the search bar and it pulls up my bookmark to https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Maps as a suggestion. as well as the migrate to 1.6 and my Modding update checklist googlesheets.

[velvet narwhal]

i don't specifically remember what i did to pull my content packs into my solution

  <ContentPacks Include="[CP] Voidsent" />
  <ContentPacks Include="[FTM] Voidsent" />
</ItemGroup>``` this is all i've set

[brave fable]

yeah that includes them in the build, but they aren't visible in the solution explorer

[ivory plume]

I just nest the content packs in the project folder:

[brave fable]

my git history my project folder structure

[calm nebula]

Tbh same

My tabs are a promise from past atra that future atra will read this

Until my computer crashes and sets me free

[brave fable]

less of a promise and more a plea

[calm nebula]

Past atra hates future atra

Future atra hates past atra

[velvet narwhal]

the neverending cycle

[calm nebula]

Current atra hates both of them

[rancid musk]

atra living the spiderman pointing at spiderman meme life, but with rude gestures

[ivory plume]

You can also show a folder in the project that's not actually in the same folder, if you want. Something like this (not tested):

<ItemGroup>
    <Content Include="..\..\content-packs\[CP] SomeContentPack\**" Link="%(RecursiveDir)\%(FileName)%(Extension)" CopyToOutputDirectory="Never" />
</ItemGroup>

[wanton pebble]

Ah yes, each Spider-Man flipping the bird at each other.... XD

[calm nebula]

And we wonder why I have mental health issuds

[brave fable]

i have to ask if the %() parts are actual tokens or an exercise left for the reader

[ivory plume]

They're actual MSBuild tokens.

[blissful panther]

I think that's a "yes" though, in practise.

[ivory plume]

(I've done that for other projects, so it works in general. I just haven't tested that exact line.)

[blissful panther]

But everyone else likes all Atras!

[brave fable]

thanks, i'll test it after work

i'll move my other solutions to contentpacks + content include if it works out

[gentle pebble]

Im trying to look it up and figure it out but honestly I cant seem to find anything. Im trying to add a warp for my custom location. Im not sure if its because theres a error in my coding or if its something to do with my tiled. This is my mod for my maps. https://smapi.io/json/none/b001e58028094524b2e0a865b492bc2b

[wanton pebble]

!log

[ocean sail]

Important note: Your computer username may appear in the log. If your username is your full name, please be aware of this before uploading it.

Please share your SMAPI log file. To do so:

1. Open this page: smapi.io/log.
2. Follow the instructions at the top of the page to upload the log file. (Don't copy & paste from the console window!)
3. After uploading, it will show a green box with a URL to share. Post that URL here.

Please do it even if you don't see any errors. This has useful info like what mods and versions you have, what the mods are doing, etc. If the issue didn’t occur in your last session, please load the game to the point where the issue occurs, then upload the log.

To use this command, type !log.

[wanton pebble]

on its own, I don't see anything in particular wrong

but if you say something's wrong, we need to know what's going wrong

[gentle pebble]

I thought maybe I needed to add tile data

is that possibly it

[wanton pebble]

Sarah you're getting ahead of yourself

First, is something going wrong, yes or no

[gentle pebble]

yes

[wanton pebble]

Okay. Then we need to see what's going wrong

[gentle pebble]

I cant seem to warp when I go to the area

[wanton pebble]

Please give the log so we can figure out what it's saying when you try to warp

[gentle pebble]

gotcha

https://smapi.io/log/2635db4eb52b4d3f83c526ffb6a1378c

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.10 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows 11 Home, with 4 C# mods and 1 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[wanton pebble]

okay, so you're not trying to walk to it, you just warp to your door tile. I assume you're then trying to "interact" with the door?

[gentle pebble]

yes

[wanton pebble]

sorry for the delay, wanted to open up a map I've edited to make sure

[calm nebula]

Are you in Sunberry?

[gentle pebble]

I think thats the issue I need to take out is the when command now that im looking the log through

[wanton pebble]

correct

[gentle pebble]

okay let me try that thank you

[wanton pebble]

you do not have sunberry, so that tiledata warp never patches

without the tiledata, you can't enter. (Thanks, atra, everything looked normal and then I forgot to check they had the mod the hasmod needed XD )

(But that's why the log is helpful!)

[gentle pebble]

if I took that out would the scirpt hopefully work?

[wanton pebble]

if you take the when block out, everything should work, yes.

alternatively, you can add Sunberry and it would work

[gentle pebble]

Life savers guys 🙏

[calm nebula]

(It was just weird b/c if they were in sunberry

They would be in the sunberry server, etc)

[wanton pebble]

"how did you get that uniqueID???" XD

[tawny ore]

it doesn't looks like this solves my problem. I pulled the project from scratch, and still encounter the same error with <DebugType>pdbonly</DebugType>

[lucid iron]

hm this part of content patcher docs

### Multiplayer
Content Patcher works fine in multiplayer. It's best if all players have the same content packs,
but not required. Here are the effects if some players don't have a content pack installed:

patch type | effect
---------- | ------
visual     | Only visible to players that have it installed.
maps       | Only visible to players that have it installed. Players without the custom map will see the normal map and will be subject to the normal bounds (e.g. they may see other players walk through walls, but they won't be able to follow).
data       | Only directly affects players that have it installed, but can indirectly affect other players. For example, if a content pack changes `Data/Objects` and you create a new object, other player will see that object's custom values even if their `Data/Objects` doesn't have those changes.

its not strictly true now is it, mostly bc of how "visual" changed in 1.6

i also suspect some data diff would just crash game

[wanton pebble]

I think it's still strictly true, just people no longer believe some stuff is visual only

pet types being one of them

[lucid mulch]

Yes, and its not even that hard.
1.6 at least made it so items wont blow up anymore, but host having Data/Characters entries that are active that farmhand does not have will still blow up, particularly when they enter the same map

[lucid iron]

i was thinking more animal skin types npc appearance etc

[wanton pebble]

NPC appearance can be different on each, as can animal skin types - though the animal skin types will crash the game if you have someone on the map with an unknown skin IIRC so that I understand.

[lucid iron]

does having extra npc appearances not crash game

[calm nebula]

It used to

It shouldn't as of 1.6.9

[lucid iron]

oh nice

[brave fable]

so do npc homelocations and appearances work as intended now or

[teal bridge]

I'm pretty close to being done with the, ahem, "Zelda controls", is there anyone I can persuade to do a few test runs once it's ready in the next day or two?

This mod got stupid huge, it is more than triple the size of the 0.2 beta. There's no conceivable way I can even guess at how users will try to set it up, never mind test them all.

[gentle pebble]

!npc

[ocean sail]

Creating a Custom NPC

Keep in mind that making NPCs is a complex process that requires learning many different aspects of Stardew modding.
Here are a few links that can help get you started on all that you need to know:

• Tiakall has a great tutorial on making a custom NPC for 1.6.

• NPCs no longer use dispositions, check the wiki page for the new NPC data.

• Aviroen has put together a template that will allow you to easily create a romanceable NPC.

• Feel free to jump into the https://discord.com/channels/137344473976799233/1277457201077813280 thread for more interactive feedback and help!

• Fireredlily has a WIP NPC Builder Please do report any errors you get with it into the NPC thread!

To use this command, type !npc.

[lucid iron]

Gib

[acoustic summit]

I'd be down to test, it sounds cool!

[calm nebula]

What's zelda

[brave fable]

what exactly would testers be looking out for? i'd imagined sdv was already very similar to classic zelda controls

[calm nebula]

I mean, I know she is the cute one and not the main player character

But that is literally all I know

[wanton pebble]

I essentially have the same question as blueberry, in that "what is this mod"

[lucid iron]

In zeldo u can bind items to dpad or buttons

Depending on the game

[acoustic summit]

Yeah I was imaginging binded items as what the mod would entail

[brittle ledge]

she's playable in the latest one!

[lucid iron]

I think focus posted the config menu at some point here

[calm nebula]

I mean I knew there were more than one of them because Nintendo but like I don't know which game you're talking about

[brave fable]

ah right, i was imagining little nes zelda walking around poking things with swords. not a rebindable dpad

[wanton pebble]

good god

[brave fable]

not exactly the most iconic part of zelda haha

[lucid iron]

Yeah i guess it's true that this control is more of a 3d zelda thing

[wanton pebble]

Once I'm done learning C# and start learning modding SDV in C#, can I ask focus for pointers because that config is clean

[calm nebula]

Cute!

[lucid iron]

Although iirc minish cap had it and was 2d

[wanton pebble]

like really fucking awesome tier UI

[acoustic summit]

I think it uses his Stardew UI mod, Im guessing?

[lucid iron]

May i spread the good word of stardewui

[brave fable]

hmmmm no i dont think so

[brittle ledge]

this'un https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Echoes_of_Wisdom

[wanton pebble]

Remind me in 150 days that, if I'm still on the hunt, to look at Stardew UI for UI options for things

[patent lance]

for a moment there I was gonna say no, absolutely not. but agentlyoko? yeah, yeah i will. (#6510959) (150d | <t:1751589523>)

[lucid iron]

There's some cursed thing needed to like

[wanton pebble]

Hey, July. That's a great time for me to get time off to work on stuff

[lucid iron]

Get a stardewui to live in GMCM though

The limit of my willingness to do that ended at 1 singular button

[calm nebula]

For clarity, the last Zelda game I heard about was skyward sword or whatever that was called.

[wanton pebble]

Damn, you haven't heard about Breath of the Wild OR Tears of the Kingdom, Atra?

[calm nebula]

(Have never played it.)

[wanton pebble]

That's genuinely impressive.

[calm nebula]

Look, my other hobby is knitting and I'm old

[wanton pebble]

No no I'm not giving you crap, I'm actually impressed

[calm nebula]

My hobbies are exercising and knitting

[brittle ledge]

atra you're like a decade younger than me 😛

[wanton pebble]

To put it in perspective, there's a large portion of people who first started with Breath of the Wild and it sold like hotcakes. It's to the point that I know some vets from stuff like Skyward Sword and before get peeved that the series is going in the more BotW/TotK way

[calm nebula]

Sarah might need actual modding help

[gentle pebble]

Im still having some issues with my warping for my custom map would anyone be willing to help me except I know whats wrong this time and im unsure of how to fix it

[wanton pebble]

It's the equivalent of someone having gone from point A to point B, but in the middle were gigantic explosions XD

[wanton pebble]

Hit us!

[gentle pebble]

ok so my interior "SarahHouse" isnt loading into the game or cant be found

https://smapi.io/log/8c206d1bb1764a83ab515ef316785605 this is the log for it

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.10 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows 11 Home, with 4 C# mods and 1 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[gentle pebble]

https://smapi.io/json/none/b001e58028094524b2e0a865b492bc2b this is my script

where I know the issue is 😭

[wanton pebble]

Well

[brittle ledge]

why do you have this?

[gentle pebble]

oh shoot I took that out already

[wanton pebble]

if this is your only code, you never loaded the map Custom_SarahHouse

[gentle pebble]

I sent the link from before

so I would have to define where the file is from?

[patent lance]

@wanton pebble: look at MEEP/PEEM stuff so I don't get caught unawares again (4h ago)

[gentle pebble]

OHHH

[brittle ledge]

Where did you copy this code from? So I have a reference as to what you might be missing

[gentle pebble]

I see what I did

[wanton pebble]

I think you need to read how maps work in game

[gentle pebble]

I was getting it from https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Map_Patches_and_Warps

[brittle ledge]

Ahhh, that makes sense

[gentle pebble]

I took out the part with custom locations entirely and didnt leave the name and from map file

[brittle ledge]

Okay, that helps

[wanton pebble]

Okay. So. First thing's first. That tutorial is old

It still has a lot correct

But it's old. Content patcher is on 2.5 (I believe) now, and 1.28 was for SDV 1.5.6

[gentle pebble]

Yeaaaa

[wanton pebble]

Tia, do we have an updated one?

otherwise I'm sending them to [[Modding:Maps]]

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Maps

[wanton pebble]

And I feel like that's unhelpful for newbies

[brittle ledge]

I don't believe so, no. I wasn't sure if that one was updated or not since I don't remember if CustomLocations is 1.5 or 1.6

If it's just the format, I can fix that

[wanton pebble]

CustomLocations is deprecated, it works but it's 1.5.6

ah, here. Something more useful

[[Modding:Location_data]]

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Location_data

[wanton pebble]

Thank you, migration to 1.6 docs

[brave fable]

modding:maps really is more of a technical reference than a tutorial, as it's meant to be

[wanton pebble]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Migrate_to_Stardew_Valley_1.6#Custom_locations Where I got it from. I miss having it all on one page, but I get the moving of everything

[latent mauve]

Which part do they need? I know this exists: https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Adding_a_Custom_Location_(CP)(1.6)

[wanton pebble]

Firered you're a gem

[wanton pebble]

@gentle pebble use this

[gentle pebble]

oki thank you

[rancid temple]

Oh, I was like "I wanted to make a tutorial about that, but haven't had the time", which makes me wonder if I fully finished it

[gentle pebble]

this one is so easy to read its amazing

[wanton pebble]

Also thank you for making it rokugin

[brittle ledge]

that's yours, yeah

[wanton pebble]

Now the question is do we poke skell to update that one or do we temp put something like "outdated, pls wait for update" on that page

[latent mauve]

(I was gonna make it if you didn't, roku, but you did it before I could)

[lusty elm]

You got Further Than I did, I never got past the write down a basic list and scribble a few notes.

I've been saying i was gonna for... years.

[rancid temple]

Feel free to add to it if you think it could use more info

[brittle ledge]

(would someone like to update the other one too

[wanton pebble]

Not it, I'm writing Leah's camping date

[lusty elm]

Maybe after I finish this mod, if my motivation/attention doesn't fly off like a butterfly

I have 0 control over it

[lusty elm]

Is BetterBeehouses still the only way to have bees indoors?

[lucid iron]

You can remove the condition from the bee house machine if you want

I don't think it'd work as a temporary patch though

[acoustic summit]

Seeing a Nymph Leaf Insect sway/waddle it's way from under the remnants of fiber is the purest incentive to keep working on my mod And then there is the uni work waiting on the other monitor

[lucid iron]

bug

[acoustic summit]

Im expanding to small mammals, too, like red pandas and such

I guess they aren't that small - but yeah

[lucid iron]

what is the anim system like in nitv

do ppl just put whatever frames

[lusty elm]

I got very confused for a minute, I was working on a Content File and somehow it vanished from my desktop, it just wasnt there anymore, but i still had it open, and if i saved it was overwriting something.... turns out somehow I accidentally dragged the file onto monitor 2?

[acoustic summit]

either simple (left right movement with X frames and a seperate anim for running away) or complex ( anim with x frames for 4 directs, frame for stopped movement in each direction, seperate anim for running)

[lucid iron]

it'll be useful to do a rotate motion i think

[acoustic summit]

Like animation while turning?

[lucid iron]

a motion that makes the bug move like the flies monster

i.e. 1 sprite, rotate with Atan2 towards some point

[rotund elm]

Blueberry!

[brave fable]

at least for my own bugs i set a bool for not/flying, where the flying motion gives the critter some cosine y-offset

looks alright for butterflies and wasps

[rotund elm]

I made an Earthy Recolor for Love of Cooking for my own game, and I wanted to know if I could have your permission to post it on Nexus?

[meager loom]

How do I make a locked door warp closed on a certain day?

[brave fable]

oh sure, no problem. make sure to list the original mod as a requirement so you show up on the original nexus page

[rotund elm]

Thank youuuu : )

[acoustic summit]

Thats a pretty good idea! I hadn't made really any top down creatures - but it would make for clean top down anim movement.

[brave fable]

i probably won't maintain a bespoke list of recolours/translations on the mod page but you'll still show up under 'mods listing this as a requirement' which hopefully includes as many recolours as do the above

hm never did push any of my bugs. should do that before my drive finally fails