making-mods-general

[latent mauve]

Probably selph, but nobody's responded to the ticket

I am victorious over the Data/Machines code xD

[rotund elm]

I see the breadcrumb, but idk what to do with that so I put OutputRules in the target field and Dehydrator?

[lucid iron]

do u instantly pass out by eating the dried red shroom

dehydrator then outputrules

[latent mauve]

It's 150 negative energy xD

so probably, yes

I had 270 so I didn't pass out, but that took a good chunk and got the sick animation, LOL

[lucid iron]

maybe if it was iridium dried red shrooms

[latent mauve]

I forget how to give myself starred items to test, LOL

[brittle pasture]

the quality button is somewhere top left in the spawner menu

[latent mauve]

I don't use CJB, Selph

[rotund elm]

Do I need to add a editdata section for both triggers and output rules?

[latent mauve]

I'm using debug commands

[brittle pasture]

if you're adding them in one rule then no need

[rotund elm]

I'm just confused how I format this without an example to look at X|

[tiny zealot]

debug f name quantity quality (where quality is 0, 1, 2, or 4)

[latent mauve]

thanks!

[tiny zealot]

actually i think technically you can use whatever quality you want, it just might default to purple star

each 1 is 25% value increase

[brave fable]

debug.. f?

[lusty elm]

Fixed, had to redesign a good 30x20 chunk to make it work.

[tiny zealot]

f is short for fin is short for fuzzyitemnamed

[brittle pasture]

just copy the mushroom entry in vanilla data full sale into your new entry

[brave fable]

naturally

[latent mauve]

also, nope, they all give the same energy debuff

they all result in the same Dried Mushrooms item, no quality added to the end product even if the mushrooms are quality

[brittle pasture]

ah yeah in vanilla only the fish smoker copies quality

[latent mauve]

so, unnecessary science, but, good to know anyway, I guess. xD

Also, because I implemented it via a custom tag (inedible_mushrooms) in theory, other mods with inedible mushrooms could assign that tag to their mushroom objects to also be dehydrate-able.

[rotund elm]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/dad27374e52045b5b3f9151fe38e6eae

Ok so this is what I have so far

I'm sure multiple things are wrong....

X|

[brittle pasture]

TargetField should be "(BC)Dehydrator" and the "OutputRules"

but otherwise the rest is good

[rotund elm]

ok and is that gonna ouput 1 or 5 items I cant tell

or do min and max stack need to be 5 and 5

or vice versa

[brittle pasture]

RequiredCount in Triggers is the input count
MinStack/MaxStack in OutputItem is the output count

[rotund elm]

Ok and can I delete all the info that is null?

[brittle pasture]

yeh

[rotund elm]

Ok thank you so much

[brittle pasture]

if it's false also safe to delete

same with the modifiers mode fields

or -1

(I think you meant to post in modded-farmers? )

[rotund elm]

so all I really need is min/max stack ID/ItemID

for output

[brittle pasture]

and regular Id
Yes

[latent mauve]

I somehow wasn't expecting that value for Dried Truffles when I just added it on a whim

(dried red is 587 base value)

[calm nebula]

Dried truffles should lose value over time

[latent mauve]

I feel like that'd go into C# Land, and I've not fallen into that hole just yet.

[gentle rose]

you should be able to sell truffles and dried truffles to gus for even more money

[calm nebula]

Jump! The water is warm

(Says the retired modder)

[lucid iron]

waem

[tiny zealot]

waem

[uncut viper]

waem

[gentle rose]

speaking of retired modder… I have a question about GIMA (how difficult do you reckon it would be to update for 1.6? I blame avi and tia btw)

[lusty elm]

Why is my game Lagging?
Because Each Bag of Dried Truffles is indivually counting each 10 minutes that have passed it's been since it was dried so i can adjust its value in realtime.
... But I have 300 of those...
Ye, SLOW MO TIME.

[gentle rose]

waem

[latent mauve]

I feel like someone who knows what they're doing could probably reuse the Fresh modifier from Qi's Cuisine

[calm nebula]

Pretty easy

I would say it would take maybe two hours

[uncut viper]

is that an atra two hours or a normal person two hours?

[gentle rose]

let’s find out, shall we

[lusty elm]

is only now realizing DecidelyRetired MathPerson is Atra

[brave fable]

waem
someone who knows what they're doing probably isn't going to risk reusing a very specific hardcoded modifier from a qi quest

[uncut viper]

it took me that long to figure out that i was unable to figure out how to unentangle Giant Crop Fertilizer from atracore

[latent mauve]

valid

[lucid iron]

well, button just made something that can be used as GIMA right

[gentle rose]

slowly we will tackle the beast that is untangling all of atra’s mods from atracore or we will retire trying

[tiny zealot]

(don't ask how long an ichor two hours is. no. it's more than that)

[lucid iron]

send ppl to island whenever

[uncut viper]

no island schedules have priority

i mean

[lucid iron]

unfort

[uncut viper]

i guess you can send them there i suppose

but if they get a specific island schedule it gets loaded by the game after

[rotund elm]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/31284fc0f43248faaf155a7d1d7e71bd, I get this error now
[Content Patcher] Can't apply data patch "Fish of Stardew - AztecViper > Include assets/machines.json > EditData Data/Machines" to Data/Machines: the field 'OutputRules' doesn't match an existing target

[uncut viper]

i didnt touch that stuff thats for a v1.1 or something maybe

the function looked intimidating for what was supposed to be a quick mod

[lucid iron]

well, it seems generally useful if u can like

[uncut viper]

atra are you proud of me for using a partial class, i know you love partial classes

[lucid iron]

csk_set_key_for_tomorrow

[gentle rose]

being a modder strengthens your nope instincts

[brittle pasture]

Your TargetField is in the wrong order

higher level fields first

[lucid iron]

to test whatever arbitrary sche without filling the reqs manually

[uncut viper]

the key is checked the day of

using a GSQ

[lucid iron]

the usecase is like

csk_set_key_for_tomorrow schedule_to_test
debug sleep

if u can just reload schedule in middle of day thats fine too

[uncut viper]

uh

it cant do that

either of those things

[lucid iron]

i look forward to 1.1

[uncut viper]

its not supposed to do either of those things

[lucid iron]

thats ok, i just thought it'd be nice for debugging

[uncut viper]

i thought there was already a way to debug schedules

[lucid iron]

can they debug your custom ones though

[uncut viper]

what is the current way of debugging schedules

[calm nebula]

Pain and suffering

[calm nebula]

Hi! I'm dead now

Poasting from beyond the grave

[hallow prism]

using the event tester to speed up everything

[uncut viper]

event tester can do schedules?

[hallow prism]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/19458

k speeds everything

[tiny zealot]

i think it just has fast forward built in

[hallow prism]

including non event stuff

[uncut viper]

was i mistaken in thinking there was just a way to force a specific schedule to be used

[hallow prism]

so you just go zoom zoom following the npc and it makes the process bearable

[tiny zealot]

at one point i wrote fast forward for myself. it's only a few lines of code (i lost it in a classic folder accident)

[uncut viper]

not just fast forwarded but like select a schedule

[hallow prism]

this doesn't ring a bell

[uncut viper]

ive never done any scheduling

i pick things up by eavesdropping on NPC related convos in here

sometimes my ears eave the wrong drops

[tiny zealot]

most of the time, if you wrote the schedules, you can just debug in whatever the conditions are

[brittle ledge]

Yeah, there's not a way to force a schedule for testing I don't think

[hallow prism]

i know stuff like that for dialogue

[tiny zealot]

like "oh, winter 17, guess i'll just skip to winter 16 and go to bed" which only takes a few seconds

[uncut viper]

this event tester mod is neat tho, i cant wait to see what else this mod author makes. it was updated last week so they must be active still

[brittle ledge]

(would've been real handy for Wren's randomized schedules, but alas, I am a clown)

[hallow prism]

but schedule is set before the day really started

so it would require some C# stuff to test a specific schedule after day started i suppose

[uncut viper]

well i guess chu's 1.1 request is coming early then

[hallow prism]

what is the 1.1 request?

[tiny zealot]

yeah sinz still makes things from time to time

[uncut viper]

chu wanted a console command to denote a specific schedule key as the one to use tomorrow

[hallow prism]

oh!

[uncut viper]

my mod is adding custom schedule keys that can be applied based on GSQs so it wasnt planned as like a debug thing

[lucid iron]

tbh i wasnt thinking of vanilla much, more the special override schedules

[uncut viper]

but i might as well i suppose

with the way its implemented there wont really need to be any distinction between them for forcing a specific key

[hallow prism]

i think the closest i remember about schedule stuff that is convenient to test them is that LA may have something to show schedules in a recent or future update?

[lucid iron]

yea that's live now

[uncut viper]

yeah recent LA has a thing

[lucid iron]

also there is a standalone view npc schedules for the day thing

[hallow prism]

but it's still not "testing a specific one whenever you want"

[calm nebula]

lol

[patent lance]

New quote added by wopr1234 as #6307 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/1333632767543476285)

[gentle rose]

atra you're giving people false hope

[patent lance]

New quote added by atravita as #6308 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/1333634396544045086)

[hard fern]

are you really retired...

[lucid iron]

atra is pretty retired from modding but not from being angy at code

[hallow prism]

atra is a cat. If they are out of modding they will scratch the door to enter again, but immediately as soon as they are in they want to return outside and ~~eat ~~touch grass.

[calm nebula]

correct!

[hard fern]

XD

[hallow prism]

https://www.bouletcorp.com/rogatons/2023/01/29 french comic, but same spirit

[latent mauve]

Mod published, ticket officially filled (though I can't close it myself, so I'll leave that to others)

[hallow prism]

(translate roughly to "i'm retiring" "wait" "i'll do one last movie" "now i can go" "nope, i want to get back" "my job is done, goodbye" "lol, i'm back")

[gentle rose]

mod ideas repo ticket?

[brittle pasture]

"this is about miyazaki isnt it, I'll click the link above"
"yep"

[gentle rose]

if so, drop a link and I'll close it for you (and congrats and thank you!)

[hallow prism]

😄

[patent lance]

New quote added by wopr1234 as #6309 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/1333634793400963287)

[scarlet pasture]

If only GRRM had the same mindset about winds of winter 😩

[latent mauve]

this incredibly easy one: https://github.com/StardewModders/mod-ideas/issues/1277

[tender bloom]

could you tell that I'm Elizabeth?

[gentle rose]

closed, thank you for completing it!

[lusty elm]

The Icon is familiar, So I knew you were someone from back when I modded More, but not specifically Elizabeth until you reacted to me realizing that Atra was DecidedlyRetired MathPerson, and Was like THERE ARE MORE MATHPEOPLE? and looked at the account name instead of display.

[hard fern]

how does it feel to be a person who maths...

[lusty elm]

Also I think imma skip the "Shallow layer" of ocean on this map as... i just don't like how the color meshes and its a bit bright imma just skip to "middle layer" instead, which is much nicer.

[lucid iron]

hm for trinket box mod i was thinking of having 3 tiers for 2 3 4 slots (iridium radioactive prismatic)

i have no idea what to price these or where to sell them

[tender bloom]

Very reasonable, I’ve considered changing back but so far the bit is too good to drop

[calm nebula]

it really is

we need more mathpeople

but also I stole half of DecidedlyHuman's username

[tiny zealot]

i briefly considered changing to a mathperson, but declined, for secret reasons

[brittle ledge]

Sorry, the best I can do is Spreadsheets Mathperson

[brittle pasture]

best I can do is Person

[gentle rose]

I think I had nearly this exact same set of realisations like a month ago somewhere in this channel

[rotund elm]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/ea6d38bd8f8b44c888e98eb3438518e8

Does anyone know why my fish are still only producing roe?

[gentle rose]

wait I'm technically qualified to be a mathperson

I mean, my degree says I'm qualified, idk if I agree

[hallow prism]

you may need to move entry before the default vanilla one

which can be done with some preference stuff now maybe?

[calm nebula]

the Id field isn't used by the game

[hallow prism]

i don't recall details, i think something was added to make that easier

[calm nebula]

that's (typically) used by Content Patcher

you need the RequiredTags field

[tiny zealot]

i barely qualified for my degree when they gave it to me, and after this long i certainly no longer do /lh

[rotund elm]

Ok thank you!

[gentle rose]

I'm also a little worried that if I do change my name to mathperson I will be joining some cult (though, an atra and elizabeth cult doesn't sound like the worst cult to join)

[calm nebula]

        "{{ModId}}_BandedEel": {
          "Id": "{{ModId}}_BandedEel",
          "RequiredTags": ["id_(o){{ModID}}_BandedEel"],
          "SpawnTime": 5,
          "ProducedItems": [
            {
              "RequiredPopulation": 0,
              "Chance": 1,
              "ItemId": "{{ModId}}_BandedEelEgg",
              "MinStack": 1,
              "MaxStack": 3
            }
          ],
          "PopulationGates": {
            "5": [
              "216 2"
            ]
          }
        },

[lusty elm]

[calm nebula]

nice

[gentle rose]

same it's been like two months

[hallow prism]

ok quickly looking, precedence is a field but the default rule uses a very low priority precedence so any non default rule should take priority over it

[calm nebula]

(yup, default precedence is 0)

[hallow prism]

i meant the other default 😄

[brave fable]

passing grade discrete maths person, reporting in

[tender bloom]

i told my students today i have 3 degrees in mechanical engineering, but i didn't mention the math one

[gentle rose]

are you collecting degrees for fun

[tender bloom]

haha, at this point I'm thoroughly done

I would say 2 of them were closer to "for fun"

and 2 of them were definitely for serious

[lusty elm]

I think the fact that i have a spreadsheet with some 200,000 cells of formula (Some of which were like 100+ strings of characters and math) across several pages, so when I was balancing stats for a system I was creating I could see changes in realtime as I fiddled, and it crashed my laptop if i tried to load in there, so i could only use it on my pc.
Qualifies me for the MathPerson Identity.

[brave fable]

really it's fortunate the only maths you need to know for sdv modding are linear algebra and basic trigonometry

[gentle rose]

I had a uni tutor (not private tutor, it's just like an instructor ig?) who had 9 degrees but mostly because the way my uni and another uni work ended up getting him a bunch of honorary ones

[brave fable]

baby content for baby game

[brittle ledge]

hey blueberry, question: does LoC sort the cooking menu? Asking for a mod idea ticket

[brittle ledge]

[makes note to specify this a little more clearly in the fish tutorial]

[brave fable]

sort the vanilla cooking menu, or the custom one?

[brittle ledge]

Either!

[tender bloom]

isn't there a mod that sorts the collections menu?

[brittle ledge]

Someone's looking for something that puts available items first

[tender bloom]

i remember being doubtful that it would be possible, and then someone just immediately did it

[gentle rose]

(he had a bachelor's and master's from his birth country, moved to the UK to do a phd in one uni and was given an honorary bachelor's and master's, moved to my uni to do his postgrad and was given an honorary bachelor's, master's and phd, and I can't remember where the last one is from )

[tender bloom]

that's very funny

[tight bough]

Does anyone else have trouble opening the Fashion Sense menu with the Hand Mirror?

[tender bloom]

postgrad doesn't give any degrees in the US

[gentle rose]

||cambridge and oxford have some hilarious pissing contests and this is one of the results||

[tiny zealot]

fish tutorial? what is this about? 👀

[tender bloom]

If you're having trouble using a mod, #1272025932932055121 may be a better place to ask

[gentle rose]

I don't think it does here either, he might just have another bachelor's or master's or something

[tight bough]

Okay

[calm nebula]

it's not hard the collections menu is just nonsense

[tiny zealot]

can confirm the collections menu is moderately cursed

[calm nebula]

STRING PARSING

STRING PARSING EVERY FRAME

[gentle rose]

roku showed me a screenshot yesterday which made me realise perfection tracking is done with floats 😭

[brittle ledge]

https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Adding_a_New_Fish !

[gaunt orbit]

AT does that

[gentle rose]

it's a testament to modern computers that we can do things like that and not even really feel the impact

[brave fable]

vanilla cooking menu sorting is handled here:
https://github.com/b-b-blueberry/CooksAssistant/blob/master/LoveOfCooking/Harmony/CraftingPagePatches.cs#L168-L177
custom cooking menu filter/sort is here:
https://github.com/b-b-blueberry/CooksAssistant/blob/master/LoveOfCooking/Menu/SearchPage.cs#L209-L289
the vanilla sort only exists to ensure that items are sorted by known-primary and displayname-secondary, since by default the game sorts by known-primary and learned-secondary.
custom sort has a number of sort orders, but it generally uses displayname-primary, since the menu only shows known recipes anyway.

[gaunt orbit]

It really is

[brave fable]

supposedly it doesn't sort some mod-added items correctly for some reason and lumps them together by mod. not sure why that is

never did ask for a minimum repro on that

[gentle rose]

like we flew to the moon with like 32kb of memory and now we consider that to be less than negligible

[brittle pasture]

the game runs at 60Hz. modern processors can do like 4GHz. there's a lot of string parsing you can fit in that frame. go nuts /s

[brave fable]

so does 'available first' mean known or ready-to-craft

[gaunt orbit]

I did notice though that uninstalling More Grass (because it's broken) gave me a significant fps bump. Idk what it was doing that made the lag so bad but I don't think I'll keep using it if it gets updated

[uncut viper]

i dont know about one that sorts, but i have one that adds a search bar to it to filter the items. it would be really easy to sort them instead

[brittle ledge]

I assume the former, they didn't specify though

[uncut viper]

i dont think it'd even need harmony

[faint ingot]

Can you edit the gift taste data to have an NPC specifically dislike a certain kind of wine/jam/etc?

[gentle rose]

famous last words

[faint ingot]

and if so do you just add backslash quotes around the whole object id or?

[brittle pasture]

nyyyope

[faint ingot]

oh ok dang

[brittle ledge]

flavored items don't retain any context tags from the source item, yeah?

[brittle pasture]

well I suppose context tags work, but you'd have to make them dislike all cherry-flavored goods

instead of just cherry wine or whatevs

[brave fable]

it'd be weird if they did. fruit_item meaning wine can be added to a salad, etc

[brittle pasture]

by context tags I meant the context tags that denote the item flavor

they indeed dont inherit any from the input

[faint ingot]

what about preserve_sheet_index is that usable?

[brittle pasture]

that's the one I was talking about

[brittle pasture]

and see the caveat here

[faint ingot]

oh I didn't see that, gotcha

I can work with that, thanks

[tiny zealot]

disliking all cherry-flavored goods isn't even unrealistic (it me)

[brave fable]

how does that even appear on say, lookup anything's likes/dislikes

[brittle pasture]

same
I dont have the cilantro soap gene but I have the so far unknown to science cherry soap gene

[brave fable]

how does any npc even tell you the gift taste lol

[brittle pasture]

I presume the 1.6 context tag-based gift tastes just get ignored?

dunno what LA does

[tiny zealot]

"whatever you do, don't give my dad preserve_sheet_index_282. he hates it"

[brave fable]

Did you know my "Daddy" loves preserve_sheet_index_282? He loves it.

[calm nebula]

I like schools that have a nice self esteem and are above things like that 😛

[opaque cobalt]

if you don't have a rivalry, are you really a school at that point?

[lusty elm]

Apparently there was a Rumor that a Senior year in my High School at sometime before I joined, decided that their "Prank" was going to be Burning our school's Initials into our Rival's Football Field. Rivalry's be Crazy

[dusk mulch]

Can someone help me with the formatting? The brackets keep closing the wrong patches... https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/7f2bbbf3dba544f2ba23a6a491aa0eaa (i have been trying for 2 hours)

[brave fable]

i remember you, the one with inconsistent indentation issues

let's see

[dusk mulch]

when?

(I am using notepad++ if that helps)

[lusty elm]

in notepad++, if u click so ur little | is next to a Bracket, there will be a little red bar on the left near the numbers, that shows the bracket that closes/Opens it, what its currently paired to.

[brave fable]

using: https://jsonformatter.org/json-pretty-print
i followed the fix suggestions to get this result:

[lusty elm]

and the other pair will also be highlighted in red, instead of the normal black

[brave fable]

oh your last convo was like the 3rd result in this channel for 'indentation' haha

again notepad++ is a bit shit for actually formatting json. use vscode if you're serious-ly tired of indentation issues

[dusk mulch]

vs code is so clunky though

[brave fable]

notepad++ is clunky

vscode is at least modern and capable

and it formats shit for you with shift-alt-f ✨

[dusk mulch]

OMG

IM SWITCHING RIGHT NOW

[lusty elm]

I use Notepad++, then again I'm not exactly known for my Content Patcher Capabilities... and you guys had to convince me to use Notepad++, like 2 years ago, cuz i had been using notepad for like the 3 years before that.....

[drowsy pewter]

notepad++ also has an autoformatting hotkey

[dusk mulch]

wait what.

wrong reply

[dusk mulch]

what.

[dusk mulch]

what is it

...

[drowsy pewter]

have to use the json viewer plugin

[brave fable]

one extra keypress and requires two hands. i'll stick with vscode 😌

[dusk mulch]

you are a lying liar who lies blueberry

[hard fern]

Once i vscode i never looked back...

[brittle ledge]

omg I did not know that exists

[dusk mulch]

i am using Tiled to add another garbage bin to the map, where can i find the code for the "Action" in "Special Properties"?

[brave fable]

eh, vscode still offers more, performs better, behaves well, and lets me use nice extensions like json prettier, inline git blame, text macros, and inline hex colour previews

[nova gale]

So long as the textures are your own work, if you want to release / publish any alternate skins or textures for my molerats, please feel free. As for targeting the babies, let me know if yuo need help, I can adjust the mod to make it easier to do if you need

[brave fable]

but at the end of the day i usually just have vscommunity open anyway since all my json files are packed into c# mods

[tight bough]

I fixed it. I just needed to download the github version and change MinimumGameVersion to MinimumAPIVersion = 4.0.7

[nova gale]

(you should just be able to target the asset and make mine an optional dependency for your mod in order to override my NakedMoleRatBaby texture, but if it gives you trouble let me know)

[dusk mulch]

uhm WHAT IS THAT TEXTURE NAME

[tiny zealot]

presumably the baby sprite for a naked mole rat

[nova gale]

NakedMoleRatBaby?

[brave fable]

naked mole rats are animals boss

[brittle pasture]

a perfectly normal animal name?

[hard fern]

Naked rat mole baby

[nova gale]

if..very ugly

[hard fern]

A baby naked rat mole

Have you never seen one before?

[dusk mulch]

stop saying it im going to cry

[dusk mulch]

no?

[brave fable]

rat baby naked mole

[opaque cobalt]

out of curiosity, if I ever get to doing festival portraits/sprites, can I set a festival as a when condition or would it be the date of the festival that I would have to reference?

[nova gale]

I have a picture and a very very bad sprite I made of one if you like

[dusk mulch]

OH GOD I SHOULDNT HAVE SEARCHED IT

[hard fern]

They look, well. The name is accurate and they look wrinkly

[nova gale]

you can raise them in my mod

and milk them

for delicious molerat milk

for use in cooking

[dusk mulch]

THATS EVEN WORSE

[hard fern]

...they give milk?

[dusk mulch]

🤢

[nova gale]

they do in my mod 😛

[lusty elm]

Is this a Fallout Type Mod or something?

[tiny zealot]

well they're mammals, aren't they

[brave fable]

despite being naked, they still have moustaches. this is most likely a reference to the lorax, a dr seuss character who

[brittle pasture]

IS_EVENT

[nova gale]

it's Dwarven Expansion, I needed something a Dwarf could reasonably raise and milk

[hard fern]

So this means we should be able to milk pigs

[nova gale]

to make Cave Carrot Brule

[opaque cobalt]

can I get Fallout sized ones? Also, are there any R.O.U.S. that I can raise with them?

[brave fable]

you do not want to milk pigs. please do not milk pigs

[drowsy pewter]

i have a mod for you

[nova gale]

to be fair, in my mod they are in fact giant naked molerats

and someone asked permission to use my texture for their fallout mod

[lusty elm]

Fair enough? I would have assumed mountain goats or something.

[brittle pasture]

that's a GSQ to clarify https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Game_state_queries

[tiny zealot]

I KNEW IT I KNEW THIS WOULD SUMMON YOU 😂

[hard fern]

Lol

[dusk mulch]

What do I need to put into the special properties of a garbage cans tile data to associate it to that area of the json?

[opaque cobalt]

grazie

[brave fable]

that's like asking 'why cant i milk my dog? farming game'

anyway the point is use vscode

[hard fern]

Milkable pigeons

[nova gale]

you probably could

milk your dog I mean

[dusk mulch]

im making a power point on why vs code sucks so yall stop telling me to use it

[opaque cobalt]

stop, now the line has been crossed.

[brave fable]

eagerly awaiting Milk Anything

[brittle pasture]

did you know that I was being 100% serious when I told 6480 pigs are milkable months ago

[dusk mulch]

(totally not procrastinating making this mod)

[lusty elm]

The point isnt about whether or not you can, its about whether or not you can convince someone to BUY it from you.

[hard fern]

Oh wait my fun fact about platypuses

[drowsy pewter]

i did not want to involve myself in a vscode debate

[hard fern]

They hatch from eggs but are still considered mammals?

[nova gale]

they also pool milk in small pockets on their skin

[hard fern]

Yes

[nova gale]

and the babies lap it out of the pocket

[brave fable]

unfortunately, milking pigs and using vscode are inseparable concepts.

[hard fern]

They feel like creatures that shouldn't exist but lo and behold, the platypus

[lusty elm]

Platypus is the Alpha Animal, that was never altered so we can see how far progress has come over the years compared to new releases.

[tiny zealot]

the echidna is another monotreme (egg-laying milk-skin-patches thing)

[opaque cobalt]

God, had some left over parts and said, will this work. Unfortunately, he forgot to remove it from the beta branch, so it stayed. He did give them poisonous barbs though to try and stop player interactions with it

[calm nebula]

What am i reading

Anyways

[lucid iron]

oh no the mathpersons spread further

[tiny zealot]

#monotremes-general

[brittle pasture]

garbage cans have their own asset, not part of the map
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Garbage_cans

wait I misread your q

[dusk mulch]

...I wish I knew this before I was HALFWAY DONE WITH IT

oh

[brittle pasture]

nvm I read it correctly

ignore it

[hard fern]

Are garbage cans a C# thing or no

[brittle pasture]

lmao

[hard fern]

(am on mobile and the wiki hates me phone)

[nova gale]

there are some trashcan rules in the location object I believe

[brittle pasture]

anyway follow the guide on that wiki page for your garbage can rules

[tawny ore]

Garbage Cans are entirely driven by data as of 1.6, and can be customized using only CP

[hard fern]

Another 1.6 feature, nice

[tawny ore]

They use the same item spawning rules as things like machines and such

[nova gale]

actually I meant to ask: I didn't see anything about adding secret notes, but there is a Data/SecretNotes file, can I actually add things there and expect it to work?

[uncut viper]

featuring fun fields like IsMegaSuccess and IsDoubleMegaSuccess

[brittle pasture]

you can, but secret notes still use number IDs so it's a pain

[uncut viper]

theres a framework for secret notes

[nova gale]

(I ask in part because I noticed that secret notes with ID's in the thousands are journel entries, and thus handled differently, so it made me suspicious)

[brittle pasture]

recommend using ichor's secret note framework instead

[lucid iron]

technically u can add some but its int id and therefore chance of collision

[nova gale]

ah, sad panda, I'm keeping this mod free of any dependancies beyond CP itself, but good to know!

yeah, I'll come up with another method, I'd rather not re-enter the "hope nobody uses this number" game 😛

[lucid iron]

im also not sure whether it would even spawn properly without snf

[brittle pasture]

just use prime numbers to the power of your nexus mod id

[lucid iron]

but SNF has fun features like images

[calm nebula]

Spawns properly

Just fyi convention is to use the negative of your Nexus mod id

Ie, in I'm 1999, I would use -1990x

[drowsy pewter]

please dont take my number

[tawny ore]

Just pick 22, that's a number I came up with randomly /s

[brittle pasture]

unfortunately that's already used

[tiny zealot]

SNF mentioned

using negative IDs is the safest method if you're adding to Data/SecretNotes, but there are a bunch of other infelicities about doing that, which is why i made the framework about it

[gentle rose]

does anyone know if the GetShopStock method was removed and if so, what replaces it? the wiki seems to think it exists but my IDE seems to think it doesn't

[brittle pasture]

those are in ShopBuilder

[lucid iron]

ShopBuilder.GetShopStock

[gentle rose]

ty guys

[lucid iron]

man what even is netlist

[brittle pasture]

(ok but I still like my prime number idea though. int32 is big enough rite)

[teal bridge]

Slightly less evil than NetDictionary but significantly more than List.

[gentle rose]

also, before I end up X-Y problem-ing this, do you guys know if there's a more direct replacement to the getFishShopStock method?

[tiny zealot]

(any id >= 1000 automatically becomes an island journal scrap. hardcoded)

[teal bridge]

...another for the "Y tho" list

[brittle pasture]

whoops forgot about that. add a minus sign then

[brittle pasture]

that probably just becomes getting generic shop but with the fish shop ID

[gentle rose]

I figured, but thought I'd double check haha. Thanks for confirming

[calm nebula]

iro, if this is GIMA, go off my alpha branch

[teal bridge]

Get In My.... Appendix?

[drowsy pewter]

yes

[calm nebula]

what's wrong with netdictionary?

[brittle pasture]

Gallant Ibex Manifesting Apparently

[teal bridge]

I will answer that with:

public class NetIntDictionary<T, TField> : NetFieldDictionary<int, T, TField, SerializableDictionary<int, T>, NetIntDictionary<T, TField>> where TField : NetField<T, TField>, new()

Along with the fact that a different version of this exists for every value type.

[calm nebula]

oh, I meant the part where NetList is backed by NetArray which is backed by a...List

[teal bridge]

Does it count that NetDictionary is technically backed by two dictionaries and two lists, even though there isn't another Net type underneath?

[lucid iron]

im gonna go back to assuming they just work™️

[calm nebula]

nah, the Resize method on NetList, because of the NetArray thing, will re-send the ElementChangedEvent when the NetList is resized

[lusty elm]

Finally did the basic ground/water shadings, next I need to add micro variation. (and yeah I skipped the Lightest layer of Ocean and just went into middle, I like the color better)

[calm nebula]

for a type that...never needed resizing to start with

thank you dray for changing the topic back to sanity

[lucid iron]

watery

the caves promise adventure

[hard fern]

Beeg map

[lusty elm]

Ye, there is going to be much adventure in internal caves, I even had waterfalls go into pits so i can have waterfalls and greenery in da caves, and ye my maps always end up big

[winter dust]

Hmm, fancy large farm.

[gentle rose]

did drawDialogue take an optional portrait asset in the past?

[lusty elm]

Design wise, i almost want to have 1 primary cave submap, that connects most of the caves directly, with underground greenery and all that, but that also involves maching complex elevation differences while INSIDE the cave, and i dont think the tiles properly support that without getting complicated

[unique sigil]

your maps are always good. im in awe that you can do maps of this size because anything past 100 x 150, i die

(how big is that map?)

[winter dust]

I have a question for you.

Do you make your own tilesheets, or just design levels.

[lusty elm]

I have made a few small sprites for some maps, but primarily I just design levels.

[calm nebula]

yes

this is how you do this now

( @gentle rose

[gentle rose]

ty atra!

[winter dust]

Ah yeah.

[gentle rose]

-# this is literally the piece of code I'm currently looking at lmao

[lusty elm]

155 wide and 200 tall.

[calm nebula]

(as I said, alpha branch)

[lucid iron]

what is the word for "right click on item while it is selected in toolbar", aka the thing game calls "use"

[gentle rose]

...did I not switch to that yet 💀 asdgfsdf

[rocky copper]

Hey, does anyone know if, through a Content Patcher mod, you can change a crop property but only when on the farm? If possible, I'd like to change some crops to paddy crops but only on the farm and not at any other location. I'm trying LocationContext and LocationName but can't seem to get it to work

[winter dust]

Double it and give it to the next person.

[lusty elm]

I'll have to check when sprites break again

I havent done that since 1.6 came out, so i actually don't know what the max is anymore

[winter dust]

Have you made desert or beach maps before?

[gentle rose]

I didn't switch to the alpha branch OR create a fork amazing

[lusty elm]

Yes Both, My most recent map is Islands Farm https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/17875
And I made Dray's Desert Farm in 1.5 https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/17376

[unique sigil]

afaik anything wider/taller than 200 will break tree rendering (stumps rendering over the tree), but nothing else

if you can ignore that it should be fine

[winter dust]

Nice

[lusty elm]

thats what I remember, going sideways, and i think last i remember layering entirely fragmented going up/down

[unique sigil]

the vertical limit has been resolved too

[lusty elm]

cool

[unique sigil]

oh look, roku has tested this!
#making-mods-general message

[lucid iron]

you need to have a onlocationchanged update rate i believe, and probably need to plant new crops after change

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.10 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise, with 23 C# mods and 6 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[rigid musk]

Looking at special order stuff.. what even does the 'QI_DOUBLE' thing do .. does it do anything? And why is there something referenced called *FIVE_PLAGUES' because thats horrifying

[dusk mulch]

It may be someting to do with a QI quest, the 5 plagues may be a monster killing request

[lucid iron]

i think FIVE_PLAGUES and QI_DOUBLE do nothing

[unique sigil]

!tilesheetclimbing

[ocean sail]

When creating or editing maps in Tiled, one common error is tilesheet climbing, marked by red text containing "invalid tilesheet path '../../..'. This is caused by SMAPI not being able to find the tilesheets needed by the map file. To prevent this error, make sure that you have a copy of all necessary tilesheets in the folder containing your WIP tmx file. Copies of vanilla tilesheets can later be deleted, but must be present while working on your map.

If you get this error with a completed map, an easy way to fix it is to open your tmx file in VS Code or a similar text editor, find all of the places with <image source=, and remove the filepaths to so that only the tilesheet names remain. For example, if the code says <image source="Content (unpacked)/Maps/townInterior_2" width="512" height="64"/>, change it to just <image source="townInterior_2" width="512" height="64"/>.

To use this command, type !tilesheetclimbing.

[dusk mulch]

thats DUMBBBBBBB

but alright

[velvet narwhal]

Did you use something outside of the maps folder? Cause if you need something like furniture, you can use arbitrary tilesheet access

[dusk mulch]

no i didnt

[velvet narwhal]

I generally just make my maps in my unpacked folder so I don't have to care about climbing

[rocky copper]

Oh hell yeah, that worked. Thank you!

[rancid temple]

Thoughts on making my new mod use this as the image

[unique sigil]

yes

[lucid iron]

is this like, get -12 points on grandpa

[rancid temple]

No this is the end of the Summit event

[lucid iron]

u did bad grandson/daugther

[rancid temple]

When you achieve maximum perfection

[lucid iron]

wait is that supposed to be thumbs up

[velvet narwhal]

I get insulted for perfection can't believe it

[lucid iron]

[rancid temple]

Yep

[lucid iron]

help

[rancid temple]

Grandpa's got thumbs that go all the way up

[winter dust]

I find the winter tilesheets annoying, my ground will look fine until winter comes around and it looks like a Picasso painting.

[rancid temple]

Just never rotate anything

[lusty elm]

yeah, its an issue, Mainly with the Dark Dirt and Dirt tiles and their Transition tiles if I remember correctly?

[rancid temple]

Also just look at most of the vanilla maps and realize you're fine

[lucid iron]

i need to stop scope creeping cus i have to write docs after this

[rigid musk]

everyone who makes unique events you are wizards and i will hear nothing else

[rigid musk]

I wonder what they were supposed to do

we shall never know and yet

[lucid iron]

maybe it rains frogs and locusts thats what happened in the bibble right

[rancid temple]

Or... scope creep more

🤞

That's not what I wanted, but I'm gonna leave it

[nova gale]

QI_DOUBLE was going to make doppelgangers of all the towns folk, you had to solve who was real and who was a simulacrum

[brittle ledge]

I put together a list of some of my favorite mod ideas from the repo, ranging from "so easy I can't believe this CP mod hasn't been done" to "yeah the C# will be fucky but it still looks cool right" https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Recommendations:_Mod_Ideas

[lusty elm]

Scope Creep is good, it makes for a better final result (If you can ever finish it )

[nova gale]

I feel like "So Easy, Even A Content Patcher Could Do It" is a much bigger category post 1.6 then it used to be

[tiny zealot]

events are pretty fun and you should try them some time
(try in small doses. testing events can get real tedious)

[rigid musk]

for the question mark on this: I'm just struggling writing them so that they don't follow the same sort of 'pattern'/formula

so people who make them really cool and unique are wizards and i will hear nothing else

also i am actually making them :D ive coded three now technically (though one is not tested)

[nova gale]

yeah, events were a struggle for me, 6 hours of work for 30 seconds of event

(or so it felt, i'm sure it wasn't really that long)

[rigid musk]

Getting the timing and the movement and stuff correct can be a pain but it is really cool to see it in game

[winter dust]

The Special order shouldn't be hard, just make it a quest similar to the beach bridge repair.

[rigid musk]

I just want to make them interesting enough for the player to sit there and actually play through it you know? and not seem formulaic or what not

[midnight sand]

is there a way that mod A can use the translation file of mod b?

[tiny zealot]

when you finally nail it and it plays out just how you pictured it 🧑‍🍳🤌

[velvet narwhal]

tbf most nonvanilla events feel unique to me but that's because I'm scorned and I can see what the commands are

[dusk mulch]

bro all i want to do is add a garbage can to the game not get sent to an insane asylum 😭

[winter dust]

Can't do the Polish food mod since I know nothing about Polish food, I have a lot of German ancestry, so I know German food.

[versed wyvern]

After the player marries an NPC all the daily dialogue in their regular dialogue file isn't used anymore, right? Like all the Mon, Tue, Wed etc. entries?

[brittle ledge]

Oh yeah, a lot of the CP ones I listed are easy, hence why I'm surprised no one's done them

[nova gale]

while the scope creep'd ideas include an explorable underwater dungeon. <--- I have a maze/dungeon generator you can use for this if you can get the dynamic maps to work in multiplayer

[rancid temple]

I made two really short events and after testing them for a couple days wanted to headbutt the nearest brick wall 10/10 def recommend

[rigid musk]

do you need... do you need help?

[dusk mulch]

are you sure you want to ask that?

[hard fern]

I would take a guess that the answer is 'yes'

[rigid musk]

I pulled a few ideas from the mods that i plan on doing but ive been focusing on just my qi mod because if I move away from it I will, in fact, explode

[dusk mulch]

focus on your qi mod then

[rigid musk]

(aka i will stop working on the qi mod and then never go back to it because thats just the way my brain works)

[velvet narwhal]

I believe in you

[uncut viper]

i made an entire mod for you you arent allowed to stop working on it now (/j)

[dusk mulch]

i have 1 last hurdle to get over to finish the map and its STUPID TILESHEET CLIMBING

[lusty elm]

X Person, take 7 steps, Face Down, Say Dialogue, walk 2 west, 1 north, 2 west 1 north, 5 west, 7 South, 3 east, Say Dialogue. I HATED events

[lucid iron]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/28284

should be the Spiderbuttons.CMCT/Translation token

[rancid temple]

I actually found events to be kind of fun, once I started to understand how the script worked

[rigid musk]

aheem ahoo (i will not i literally just have events and special orders to code i cant get THAT far and give up)

[rigid musk]

I made a trash can for my mod so i know how to do it if you need help/an example

[midnight sand]

Interesting, thanks!

[rancid temple]

It was really just testing them over and over again that was mind numbing

[dusk mulch]

For tilesheet climbing do I need to put all the seasons of each tilesheet into the folder?

[lucid iron]

besides this, if the other mod loaded their translations to an asset

[rigid musk]

no you dont even need them in the folder unless theyre custom tilesheeets

[lucid iron]

then u can use localtext token

[dusk mulch]

...

[lucid iron]

it's pretty rare tho

[rancid temple]

They need to be in the folder while editing the map

But you remove them when you're done with that

[rigid musk]

^

[uncut viper]

you can also fix tilesheet climbing by just editing the .tmx in notepad++ or similar

[rigid musk]

also afaik you dont need to use the seasonal ones at all - the game will do that for you (again unless its custom - then im kinda lost on how to do custom seasonal tilesheets)

[calm nebula]

Scary

[rigid musk]

I wish i found them to be more fun but i think its just my creativity not wanting to ... you know... be creative

[unique sigil]

with custom seasonal tilesheets you just plop them in the unpacked maps folder when editing, same deal as usual

[rancid temple]

Custom seasonal is the same as regular, you just have to make sure your tilesheets are named properly

[calm nebula]

To be fair I agree testing events is the worst

The worst

[unique sigil]

so long as it starts with {{season}}_ it will automatically change seasons (if outdoors)

[rigid musk]

waht do you meannnn I LOVE watching the same thing sixteen times in a row only to adjust one thing slightly

[nova gale]

that swhy I don't bother to test mine, I figure I probabl nailed it the first time

[dusk mulch]

i removed them and im still getting the error for tilesheet climbing

[light bramble]

random questions...what

[rigid musk]

you probably have to edit it in notepad or smth

[lusty elm]

actually fair, yeah it was the repetition, and when i did it we didnt have the reload content/event command yet

[calm nebula]

Remind me in 4 days to remove Less Mini's unnecessary AtraCore dependency, to look into tilesheet disposal more, and to cry into a sandwich

[patent lance]

I'll have you know atravita I am SO MUCH MORE than just a reminder bot. but fine. (#6499151) (4d | <t:1738388093>)

[light bramble]

...

[rocky copper]

Okay, so the update rate fixes the issue when planting, but because LocationName is based on the player's location, it breaks when the player leaves (like going to bed in the farmhouse). Do you know if there's a When token for an item's location rather than the player? LocationContext works better, but breaks down if the player spends the night at the island.

[midnight sand]

apparently they used a OnAssetRequested to load their translations, so I can just request the asset no?

[uncut viper]

which mod are you looking at, Alan?

[light bramble]

My question was, what's the max size for a tilesheet?

[midnight sand]

VPP

[light bramble]

don't know why the message sent before i was ready

[rigid musk]

i can show you an example if you want

[rancid temple]

Depends on your video card

It's a really big number, usually

[midnight sand]

I made the compat for the rest to work, just need the translations and images to look nice

[calm nebula]

(4096x4096 is generally considered safe)

[dusk mulch]

yes, please and if you stop doing your qi mod i will do something

[rigid musk]

you will - do what

[dusk mulch]

idk yet

[nova gale]

something

said it right there

[light bramble]

This should be added to the wiki IMO

[rigid musk]

that is very ominious

[lusty elm]

Is that a threat or a bribe?

whoops

[dusk mulch]

yes

[uncut viper]

if you know where they edited their translations into (seems to be Strings/UI i assume?) and the place you're trying to put their translation supports tokenizable strings, then you can use the LocalizedText tokenizable string

[lusty elm]

so on the its still happening when you've removed them all, do you mean tilesheets from the map (in tiled) or tilesheets in your mods folder?

[rancid temple]

Do it

[light bramble]

Draylon! QUESTION! the max map size is still 185x150...right?

[uncut viper]

if the place you are using them does not support tokenizable strings, then you need CMCT

[light bramble]

or did that change too?

[rancid temple]

Map height is fine now

But width should stay under 200

[uncut viper]

oh but if you're in C# then you can just request the asset yeah

i realized i didnt know if you were using CP or not

[rancid temple]

Unless you like the stumps of your trees rendering over the tops

[lusty elm]

Rokugin tested more recently than me

By Map Height is fine, do you mean ANY map height?

[rigid musk]

so I use Notepadd++ to do it but you could probably see it in any code/text editor that you use - (just do the 'open with' thing) but everywhere you see a tilesheet it should ONLY be the name of that tilesheet.png - what youll likely see is a bunch of climbing things before it (which ill edit this map to do that so you can see what it looks like as well)

[rancid temple]

I tested up to 5000x5000

[light bramble]

soooo this excerpt from the wiki is correct?
Important note: when making custom maps, always start with a vanilla map and edit it. Don't try to create a new map in Tiled; the game needs certain tiles, map properties, etc to be present. Also note that when making a map edit or adding a custom map, sizes bigger than 155 for height and 199 for width will break the layering

[rancid temple]

The height had no issues, but as soon as I walked past 200 width the stumps started rendering above

[midnight sand]

yep, I'm reading the code and that's what they did. I'm gonna bang my head a little bit against C# and if that doesn't work I'll ask for help again. Thanks!

[light bramble]

Maybe wiki should be updateded?

[lusty elm]

I knew about the width issue, but its good to get confirmation thats the only existing issue on it, i guess height doesnt break layering anymore

[dusk mulch]

ohhhh i think i get it

[rigid musk]

this happens because you've pulled the tilesheets from a folder that the map wasnt also in (which i have since stopped doing because changing this every single time is violently annoying)

[dusk mulch]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

alright i got it

[gentle rose]

cannot resolve symbol 'string' I think that's Rider telling me to go to sleep tbh

[lusty elm]

By the way, the fact you pull that up in Notepad++ instead of Tiled is mildly terrifying.

[light bramble]

I mean if I'm allowed to I can edit the wiki to allow for the update for the hight

[lusty elm]

go for it

[dusk mulch]

so like this?

[rancid temple]

#making-mods-general message
This was the original issue with height, which I can confirm does not happen anymore

[rigid musk]

yep! and make sure you do that for any tilesheet you've used :D

[light bramble]

Also...shouldn't we have a section for tilesheet sizes for the wiki too???

[dusk mulch]

omg you are a god send ty sm

now go back to mr qi

[rigid musk]

idk how to do it in tiled... and its easier to pull it up and just delete it i dunno

[dusk mulch]

or i will do something

[rigid musk]

i also may or may not have edited some warps and stuff using notepad++ as well but we dont have to talk about that

it was easier

[rancid temple]

All that to say, if you make your map really big it's going to be hellish to cross over and over again

[lusty elm]

interesting, I think that was before even my time, the issue i remember was essentially there was a 50/50 chance of any given tile on any layer just not appearing and they lose context relevant data like building no longer blocked

[rigid musk]

😭 im trying but i do have to write these events and im having a creative struggle moment okay

he exists in the game and has dialogue and attends events and gives you quests and thats pretty cool... and has two fully implemented events

and honestly thats more than a few vanilla npcs so

[lusty elm]

its why I try to include warps and shortcuts.

[light bramble]

width sizes larger than 200 will break layering. Hight can be any size.

Look good?

[lusty elm]

Height*

[rancid temple]

Hm, I didn't notice any issues with collisions, but I wasn't testing for it specifically. When I was doing my testing I was finding it hard to figure out what the actual problems were lol

[naive wyvern]

*height

[light bramble]

XD

Forgetting the mispell. does it look good?

[rancid temple]

And there definitely wasn't any missing tiles

[lusty elm]

Weird , either way its a moot point now, since that test was back in 1.4 and 1.5

[rancid temple]

I do wonder about the resource cost of having a large, fully designed map though lol

[lusty elm]

Its... intense

[tight bough]

Guess what? Misty updated the mod so the intro issue is fixed.

[light bramble]

I'm just gonna assume it's ok...

[rancid temple]

If it's not, and it gets rolled back, don't take it to heart. It happens fairly regularly

[lusty elm]

Ironically, Multiple Maps are More intense, at least when i last did my testing (like 2 years ago), like 4 50x50 maps was more intense than like 1, 150x150 map.

[light bramble]

Honestly, I just wanna know how hard it would be to make a section for the wiki talking about tilesheet sizes lol

[rancid temple]

Yeah, that tracks though

[lusty elm]

ye

[rancid temple]

It's the same as loading a thousand tilesheets vs one sheet with 1000 items

[tight bough]

Speaking of which, if I'm gonna create my own massive empire, imma need to download a second farm expansion for Stardew Realty.

[rancid temple]

Always better to do less load numbers

[winter dust]

I might add one of these to WTDR.

[lusty elm]

I once had a user comment on Giga Farm asking for more expansions.

for reference for those who dont know, Giga Farm has 65,000 Farmable tiles, where Base Farm has about 3,500.

[rigid musk]

how much more could one possibly need oh my god

[tight bough]

You should check out Stardew Realty. It allows you to basically have more than one farm.

[lusty elm]

I mean, Just because I MAKE maps that large, doesnt mean I USE that much space

[velvet narwhal]

Meanwhile my weakness to debug commands: 8 tiles of farm able land, take it or leave it

[tight bough]

Bro, I definitely use that much space. I want a fish pond for every single aquatic creature.

[rigid musk]

If I was better at pixel art I would make that botanical garden mod but oh boy I think id explode

[light bramble]

The size of the slime hutch is 7x4 right?

[rancid temple]

Didn't it change in 1.6? I don't remember from what to what

[lusty elm]

yes, wiki has most dimensions for buildings

[brittle pasture]

it used to be a chunky 11x4

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.10 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise, with 23 C# mods and 6 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[light bramble]

otay.

[lusty elm]

yeah used to be massive

[brittle pasture]

I say the slime hutch's ideal size is 3x2

[rigid musk]

it looks like you just missed one

[rancid temple]

Inb4 Tardis Slime Hutch 1x1

[rigid musk]

scroll down the file to see if theres another, it doesnt always put all the tilesheets together (its dumb)

[hard fern]

👀 did someone say botanical garden

[rigid musk]

I did say botanical garden

theres a mod idea to donate crops and stuff to a 'museum' and it sounds really pretty

i feel like it would be gorgeous but i do not have the art skills for that

[lusty elm]

This is apparently what one user decided to do on My map "Everfarm" I wonder if he has every fish.

[rigid musk]

oh my god thats really cool

i feel like this would be an interesting farm to decorate - i do love decorating farms

I won a contest for decorating IFR2 (even though i gave up on decorating the quarry ... it was so much decorating)

[tight bough]

Wow, that looks amazing.

[lusty elm]

My design philosophy while mapmaking is essentially, that the player should design around and to the terrain, makes it a more unique experience, the question of "How do I utelize this space?" is one I feel you should definitely ask yourself at least a dozen times on my maps.

and ye, I like looking up how people have used my maps. its fun, and motivating.

[rigid musk]

I found the image - that's kinda what I tried doing here with IFR2 (A smaller map of course but still) I tried to use the way it was designed for what i was putting where :3

[unique sigil]

i accept image submissions on my map pages because i like to see how people decorate my farms too and try to find those who can decorate them differently than i would

[rigid musk]

[again ignore the quarry i refused to decorate that i was tired]

[unique sigil]

(in the planning stage, my maps always have designated spots for where i would put things)

[rigid musk]

I would probably put furnaces and stuff in there though

Maybe ill make a farm map one day... perhaps (it seems like a nightmare)

[unique sigil]

it's not!

[dusk mulch]

The thing it is asking for "spring_town" isnt even in the file, i used ctrl+f

[rigid musk]

can you send another log ?

[unique sigil]

farm maps have more properties yes but its the same as making any maps really

[dusk mulch]

of the tmx?

[rigid musk]

of the error its throwing

if its still throwing one

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.10 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise, with 23 C# mods and 6 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[rigid musk]

would you mind sending the TMX file to me? i can take a look at it

[dusk mulch]

DM's or just here?

[winter dust]

Yeah, I think it'd be lovely.

[rigid musk]

In DMs is fine if you don't mind but I think? it would be okay to send it in here too (i see your name so i understand :D)

[dusk mulch]

https://smapi.io/json/none/020950d18c89416e9c21c03ea6cb6a12

[winter dust]

Someone suggested putting it in the desert, if they make a map for it, it'd be a new place for me to make a path to in WTDR.

Can never have too many paths.

[dry spade]

hi sorry to interrupt simple question but I'm getting a little confused with how dialogue selection for NPCs works. I know there are generic lines that characters say all throughout the year, independent of conditions. from the modding:dialogue page on the wiki, it looks like a <season>_<key> will always be chosen over a generic <key> line. However, I know that isn't true because NPCs do have generic, universal lines, so how does dialogue selection work?

[dusk mulch]

there are certian things the characters say on certian days, before events, ect. the dialouge options are chosen when you go to bed (so the night before

[rigid musk]

on the wiki it goes in order of the chart thats there

like higher on that chart is higher priority

[dry spade]

yeah but if my memory serves right there are lines that some npcs say throughout different seasons so ???

[brittle ledge]

correct?

[brittle ledge]

most vanilla NPCs don't have many season tags

[rigid musk]

i.e. season_dayofmonth will take priority over season_dayofweek

[dry spade]

yeah i guess a better question would be how are generic <dayOfWeek> lines ever chosen if there are <dayOfWeek><hearts> lines

[dry spade]

oh that might be it

[rigid musk]

because sometimes they might not have those keys

[dry spade]

wow, there must be less lines than i thought then

[rigid musk]

there are actually very few its surprising

[brittle ledge]

oh yeah, most vanilla NPCs have less than a hundred

Abigail I believe has the most

[rigid musk]

I opened Elliott's dialogue and was smacked in the face with very few lines

[brittle ledge]

some NPCs only have a handful

[dusk mulch]

abigail is a yapper

[brittle ledge]

(we're spoiled by mods that add a ton to vanilla NPCs or custom NPCs with a lot of dialogue out of the box)

[dry spade]

me w that huge ass dialogue expansion for literally everyone

[rigid musk]

Elliott has only 97 lines of dialogue and a few of them are just conversation that happens after some of his events

[dusk mulch]

"only"

[rigid musk]

Only

[mystic sparrow]

Hello, I'm a bit curious about something. What causes spouses to go to their spouse patio? Is it random or is there a way to control it?

[dusk mulch]

anyway how does the tmx look?

[rigid musk]

It is ... confusing me?

[dusk mulch]

good to know im not the only one

[lusty elm]

I wouldnt say its difficult work, but I would say its a lot of work. I've got about 17 Hours on this so far (But i'm also the type to fiddle with 2 square, and reshape something 15 times before I find a shape I like, for every instance of a shape. or line)

[mystic sparrow]

I'm updating/bugfixing my mod and someone told me that my npc was never using the spouse patio lol

[rigid musk]

for context qi in my mod has 456 ...

[dusk mulch]

I believe it is random (Someone verify that please)

[rigid musk]

granted a big part of that is helped by Jaz (who made the mr.qi dialogue expansion mod and allowed me to take it and put that IN my mod)

[dusk mulch]

Or a schedule

[dusk mulch]

awww i will go kudos jaz

[rigid musk]

but I also wrote about half of it I think so

[dusk mulch]

both of you then

lol

[rigid musk]

I love how they characterize him and unfortunately my mod isn't compatible with theirs

because i yeet the default mr qi into the abyss

[mystic sparrow]

I kinda thought it would be random, like ginger island visits iirc....

[rigid musk]

all these tilesheet errors are you're really just trying to add a trash can to robin's house?

[brittle pasture]

the patio outside the farmhouse? it's every non-raining/winter saturday

[mystic sparrow]

ohh i see ok :0

[dusk mulch]

oop sorry i missed your message

yes thats all i want to do

i got the trash can from the town map and brought it over to the mountains

including the tilesheet

[rigid musk]

You might not even have needed to do everything you did because from what I can tell you edited the actual mountain map? and are patching the whole thing

[dusk mulch]

...All I want to do is add a trash can out front of robbins house

[brittle ledge]

(for context, Jorts and Jean have almost 900 lines in their i18n, I believe. Not all of that is dialogue but)

[dusk mulch]

😭

[rigid musk]

which you dont need you just need an overlay from content patcher and to add the trash can (with two layers - one on the building layer and another on the front for the top of the trash can) and then the tiledata for the trashcan itself

[dusk mulch]

DAMN

[brittle ledge]

And I'd say they're probably average in terms of dialogue/event density, so

[rigid musk]

my i18n file is a nightmare

[dusk mulch]

ive spent 5 hours on this and i didnt even know you could edit maps with CP

[mystic sparrow]

jean and jorts... my favorite pro union cats...

[rancid temple]

My Collector has almost 100 lines, and that's not with my events

[rigid musk]

by its a nightmare i mean it is very organized and neat but its a lot

its currently at 730 lines and im not done with events or special orders

[rigid musk]

were you... trying to do this with something else?

[dusk mulch]

i was using tiled

[brittle ledge]

...oh, I lied, Jorts and Jean are over 1200

it's Wren that's 800ish

[rigid musk]

Well you need Tiled + CP

[dusk mulch]

i am loading the tnx file if thats what you mean

[dreamy cedar]

Philosophy time! Has CA ever explained why constructing buildings was never a thing on the Ginger Island in the stock game? I mean was there some game-design idea of why it would be a bad thing? Was it just a "well this is kinda hard and it doesn't add much" kind of thing?

[brittle pasture]

I vaguely heard in an interview that he doesnt want junimo huts on the island

[dusk mulch]

this kind of conversation would be better in #stardew-spoilers i think

[dreamy cedar]

Alrighty will ask it there

[rigid musk]

So to clarify:
you probably will only need these things:

• a map thats probably like 5x5 tiles (you could technically even just do 1x2 since that's the size of a trash can)
• to put the trash can on that map on the buildings layer + the front layer for the top of the trashcan
• the tileproperty for said trash can
• a CP patch using the 'overlay' setting to add the trashcan TO the map in the location you want
• another section of CP code for what comes out of the trash can

[lusty elm]

Tiled Can do a Lot for maps, but CP is needed for interacting with the game, via patches, replacers, or loads at a minimum.

[dusk mulch]

...\

[brittle pasture]

also from a technical perspective you cant build outside of the farm before 1.6

[rigid musk]

and you would only need one tilesheet for that map as well, just the spring_town one

[dusk mulch]

fuck this im scrapping the whole thing ive spent way too much time and sanity on it @brittle ledge please un-assign me https://github.com/StardewModders/mod-ideas/issues/421

[rigid musk]

I can help if you want! It's okay I understand being frustrated by it

[brittle pasture]

you dont even need all this tbh
just a single editmap to add a single tile if you want the trash can having the same loot as the town ones

[brittle pasture]

was replying to this

maybe 5 lines of CP

[dusk mulch]

thank you but no ive spent too much time and i cant be bothered to do any more im going to go cry

[rigid musk]

[rigid musk]

i mean you would have to add the trashcan itself

there isnt a trash can there

[uncut viper]

also CP isnt needed at all

[rigid musk]

Come back later and I can help, just ping me for it

how ... is it not

[uncut viper]

(in response to Draylon who i had to double check who they were)

[rigid musk]

OH

[uncut viper]

(too many mathpeople)

i was just a bit late bc discord didnt scroll

[rigid musk]

its good to take a break when stuff is fustrating you anyways :3

[mystic sparrow]

i did something similar if u need example code

[lucid iron]

@weak pulsar Re: upgrading trinkets, i implemented some stuff to do that in 1.5.0
https://github.com/Mushymato/TrinketTinker/releases/tag/1.5.0-beta.0
Here's the example
https://github.com/Mushymato/TrinketTinker/blob/1.5.0-beta.0/[CP] Trinket Tinker Examples/data/misc/upgrade.json

the approach is basically add your own rule to anvil/colorizer to do what u want

[lusty elm]

in response to which comment? The Tiled can do a lot, but needs CP for interaction? If you mean using coding, I dont assume that the person can, and if you mean XNB, leme go grab my hammer. Unless you meant something else?

[rigid musk]

They were scrolled up in the chat so it was in response to something else

i think

[uncut viper]

you said CP is needed for interacting with the game which it is not

rest assured i dont count xnbs either

[mystic sparrow]

content patcher is so easy thooooo

[lusty elm]

technically true, but I was saying it in the Context of Mapping related things... unless we can skip CP now too?

I dont know what black magic has happened in the year i was gone

[uncut viper]

why would C# not be able to do Map things? Content Patcher does it all with C#

[lusty elm]

oh, okay yeah you meant coding, the stuff many (including I) don't know how to do.

[ivory plume]

Unrelated: if multiple mods adds stops to Central Station, which order should they be listed? I'm leaning towards alphabetical (and mods can group them with region prefixes if they want).

[uncut viper]

is there a price? id sort by price if there is

[lusty elm]

unless TMXL made a resurgence somehow, Then I could go back to loading my maps with TMXL

[acoustic summit]

Id say either price or alphabetical

Cheapest first

[rigid musk]

i think alphabetical or price would be good too yeah

[uncut viper]

i concur with 8awa8

[acoustic summit]

As assumedly you'd be going to those most often

[rigid musk]

I like alphabetical because it would be easier to find where im going since usually id already know where i want to go

[gentle rose]

I'm for alphabetical too

[lusty elm]

Anytime I see the Train Station mod, I'm reminded of my Idea for a "Train Trip to nowhere" where I figured I'd have like a Randomized Pool of Like 30 Maps that it drops you off on one to explore and Forage for that day, before returning. but thats a lot of work, and a lot of load to add on a game.

[uncut viper]

do Maps (not locations) even get loaded until they are visited the first time? its probably fine if they arent

in terms of load on the game i mean

[lusty elm]

Honestly If you're coding it, can you do a "sort by A-Z" or "Sort by Price" or "Sort By Frequency" options? I don't know how much you want to put into it or how complex such a thing is (as I don't Code).

[uncut viper]

though i guess theres still update stuff that happens in the locations regardless

[lucid iron]

i think they get created right

[uncut viper]

frequency would be an interesting choice

[lucid iron]

but if u use instanced locations then u are good but u also made deepwoods but with trains(!)

[uncut viper]

could increment stats like CentralStation_[Destination] to track how often theyve gone places

just a wee bit of reflection to grab em all automatically for sorting

or actually if you control the asset you dont need to reflect

my brain leaps to reflection too quickly ive been doing too much of it lately

[ivory plume]

For 1.0.0 it'll just be a default sort, but I can certainly add options like that in future versions if it's something players want.

[mystic sparrow]

How would I change the animation of an npc on their spouse patio? Is there a special animation key or something?

[uncut viper]

i would definitely use those stats for Conversation Topics if they existed

like "wow you've been to the [location] a lot huh. whats goin on over there"

[proud wyvern]

what, you don't want to scope creep right out of the gate?

[weak pulsar]

Oh my gosh thank you so much, this is amazing

[lucid iron]

it actually just occur to me that there's no option to upgrade both at once

beta.1 content i guess

[ivory plume]

Already got scope creeped! 1.0.0 will be launching with a new map, shops, and randomized flavor text.

[uncut viper]

no flipper boards

[lusty elm]

I don't know where you find the time with how much you maintain and do

[dusk mulch]

i feel like you shouldve posted this on your patreon

[light bramble]

So with the house path tiles, does the tile start where the red x is or the black x?

[ivory plume]

Yep, I'll be announcing the release there.

[lucid iron]

this is a cabin?

[light bramble]

yes

[lucid iron]

black X i think, it's a farm building

or hm this is cabin position stuff

ig it would be red X then, since they r 5x3

[rigid musk]

ohh like animal crossing but you can do it multiple times... i like that

[lusty elm]

For placing cabins on a farm map when designating order/base locations? Red X yeah.

[brittle pasture]

VMV kinda does something like this, every day the village's minecart network drops off to a random forage map

you can go back anytime though

[light bramble]

So uhh...what did I do wrong? Like I made the icon based on what the medowlands farm has...and well... this is what happens in game...

[hard fern]

[lusty elm]

base icons have blank spaces to the left side

[light bramble]

But the cherry blossom farm doesn't. and it doesn't have that issue???

[lusty elm]

iono, I encountered it when i made Islands Farm icon, i had to offset it myself.

[light bramble]

Soooo just make the png for the icon 22x20 instead of 18x20???

[lusty elm]

sounds right from what i remember, with 2 blank columns on each side

[slender badger]

Can't believe we get to hit Pathos with the scope-creep sticker

[light bramble]

Legit curious why no one has reported this bug to me...

[light bramble]

wait what?!

tbh I'm surprised pathos can even work on other mods with the amt of other things he has

[lusty elm]

I think this is technically part of Maintaining/updating Cherry's mods maybe? as I know Cherry had a train station mod at one point, and i think Pathos has taken over for them, as they tend to do with a lot of mods that have dependancies when the coder is unable to for one reason or another.

[light bramble]

I was gonna post something in #haunted-chocolatier...But it's locked lol

Where will I make my speculations now!?

[rigid musk]

So my idea for a special order is to have the player donate 10 unique items with the 'blue' color context tag - but I don't want it to be more than one of any particular item... how would I go about doing that ?

[lusty elm]

First thought, Color Blind People.

Not saying you can't or shouldn't, but just something to be aware of :p.

[uncut viper]

pathos' central station mod is being made bc of him updating cherry's train station

but its a separate mod now

pathos's own

[lusty elm]

Ohh

[uncut viper]

he added support in TS for people to add destinations via a custom asset

then removed it when he decided he'd make a Central Station mod instead

which will fulfill that puirpose and more

[latent mauve]

Pathos got scope-creeped into making his own mod instead of just keeping the lights on for train station

[light bramble]

LOL

You know, I sometimes wonder, how do people come up with their mod ideas, then I look at mine and it's like:

• Big farm
• BEEEEEEEG farm
• Big greenhouse
• Oooooo add my puppies
• Big Cellar
• OOOO add animal crossing things
• BEEEG CHEESE

Like what

[latent mauve]

I've only been there a few times in person but the Central Station mod really has me wanting to make a map similar to the Boston South Station

(I don't live anywhere near actual mass transit, sadly)

[slender badger]

I don't think it's possible by default, unfortunately There's something similar in Extra Machines Config for making a machine take multiple different items as fuel, but it's only for machines

Could ask Selph if there's a way the same code/concept could be applied for context tags too? Although it'd probably require a new framework

Otherwise the best you could do would be to set different categories, like "3 blue minerals + 3 blue crops + 3 blue something else"

[light bramble]

you know...question... now that like we can have up to 7 starting cabins...uhhh do we need to place the tiles and tile data for those???

or like does the game just say Shfjdhfjsd and put them anwhere?

[brittle pasture]

yeah seconding airyn that this isn't possible

requiring different categories is the next best idea

[latent mauve]

Yes, you need to define them on the Paths layer and the TileData order

Specifically for them to generate with starting cabins

[light bramble]

yeah I just uhhh...I just noticed that XD

Question, do you need the MailboxLocation property if you move the house location with FarmHouseEntry

[latent mauve]

I feel like I remember reading that the mailbox location determines where the new mail sprite pops up

[light bramble]

Was an issue that was discussed on the 17th (for me anyways) #making-mods-general message

I mean there's this snippet from the wiki:

In order to properly move the farmhouse mailbox you must also patch Data/Buildings to remove the Default_Mailbox entries from ActionTiles and DrawLayers and add an Action Mailbox property to the same tile as this property.```

[rigid musk]

Ah I was trying to mimic the prismatic grange quest u_u

[rigid musk]

Ah I see, thank you! It might just be easier to do 'get 300 blue items' or something like that, though I generally was hoping to avoid people submitting 300 blueberries ... (i do that already myself with the grange quest lol)

you do make a good point though - I like the idea of making it 5 crops/5 minerals/5 fish/5 cooked dishes (though maybe not the dishes since theres like... blueberry tart and thats about it)

[slender badger]

If you go with a high number, I think it's more likely people will just submit a ton of the one crop since that's the easiest way to get a lot of something in one colour

[rigid musk]

Yeah which makes sense (and honestly I don't blame them)

[uncut viper]

to be honest

[rigid musk]

what's that? you need ... 500 blue items? [looks over at my three 999 stacks of blueberries]

[uncut viper]

if you just say "You can only donate one of each item!"

theres a number of people who will take you at your word

and not test it

[slender badger]

Have you already checked the dyeing page on the regular wiki? That has a list of various objects that count for different colours that might be helpful

Also Joja Cola counts as blue too, for what that's worth 😆

[rigid musk]

mm... i cant wait to turn blue ...

Just like Mr.Qi

[gentle rose]

we did 😅 #making-mods-general message #making-mods-general message

[rancid temple]

I made a mod that lets you exclude cooking and crafting recipes from perfection, intended to be used by mod authors
https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/31247

The image works so good in Discord

[rigid musk]

hehe swag grandpa

I will add an optional config/compatibility thing with this :)

I already have configs set for shipping and friendship so why not

[gray bear]

why does grandpa have 2 sets of sunglasses and i have 0

awesome work roku

[rigid musk]

swag grandpa thats why

[dusk mulch]

Am I abled to make "ItemID" into a list?

              "Condition": "RANDOM 0.25",
              "ItemId": "(O)388"```

[gray bear]

swagpaaaa

[rigid musk]

yeah you just separate them by a comma i think

let me check that before i say something very wrong

[dusk mulch]

if i have multiple "ItemID"'s in the 1 patch it doesnt work

[rigid musk]

i think you just need to not have the (O) next to it - at least thats how the modding page documentation works

i.e. like (O)74 18 22

i dont know if its just because of what its referencing is furniture on that one though

also no comma just spaces

[dusk mulch]

alright i will try it

tty!

[dusk mulch]

yeah... the game doesnt like that

[gray bear]

what are you trying to achieve Person?

[slender badger]

(O) is just to show that it's an object rather than a weapon or furniture piece, etc. If you want something to accept multiple potential items, you need an item query for ALL_ITEMS or RANDOM_ITEMS depending on what you're trying to do and then use PerItemCondition to limit that

[rancid temple]

Some models have a RandomItemId field as well

[slender badger]

Helps if you explain what you're trying to do though so that we know the context, can give proper advice, and can tell you if what you're trying to do just isn't possible like with the gender stuff the other day

[dusk mulch]

I am making a garbage can

[rancid temple]

That one is a list and does take multiple strings

[rigid musk]

yeah it should accept multiple :|

[rancid temple]

ItemId doesn't

Not usually anyways

[dusk mulch]

im going to use random item

[rigid musk]

oh... i was referencing the uhh wiki

[dusk mulch]

does random item do as it implies, gives you a random one of the defined items?

[rancid temple]

That's an Item Query

As Airyn mentioned

[rigid musk]

I will blame my lack of understanding what's going on right now on the fact that it is almost 3AM

[dusk mulch]

you talking to me or @rigid musk ?

[rigid musk]

and I have been staring at special order documentation for six hours

[rancid temple]

Lily. RandomItemId should just choose one of the provided Id's equally

[dusk mulch]

can i see if i can help? :3

[rigid musk]

ah its not that I need help, it's just tedious xD

[rancid temple]

This is getting confusing

[dusk mulch]

oh alright

[slender badger]

Get some sleep and come back to it tomorrow, Lily

[dusk mulch]

Okay let me say what I want from the generator

Uh

Why wont it let me react to airyn?

[rigid musk]

ye...s correct.. but why uh .. would that not work for what Person wants

I will go to sleep soon I think

also I just realized the snippit of code they sent did not, in fact,have the randomitemid thing in ther e

[dusk mulch]

Okay I want to be abled to list certain items and each item has an equal chance of being picked.

[rigid musk]

Yes that will happen with the "RANDOM_ITEMS" thing

or it should anyways for that section

[dusk mulch]

Okay

[rancid temple]

You can achieve that either with RandomItemId or the RANDOM_ITEMS query in ItemId

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Item_queries

If all you want is equal chance random though, probably should just use RandomItemId

It's the most straightforward

[rigid musk]

that's what was confusing me

I was just thinking about what was used on the wiki and not at all those lol

[dusk mulch]

Was going to lol

Would this work formatting wise?

              "ID": "NotAGardener.Can_Item",
          "RandomItemId": "20", "18", "24"
          ]```

[rigid musk]

i think it needs brackets ... and the (O) indication for the item type

(brackets around the item list)

[dusk mulch]

Oh

I will do that then

[rigid musk]

I thought I was done with mail, it turns out that I was not, in fact, done with mail

[dusk mulch]

https://smapi.io/json/none/fae3d5e1d0884a19914592303d75d87c#L24

Doesn't like that formatting too much

[gray bear]

think you need commas

[dusk mulch]

imagine if we had to do this every time we wanted to empty our garbage bins

[dusk mulch]

i tried that before and it didnt like it either

[dusk mulch]

now i see where i went wrong