making-mods-general

[wanton pebble]

This looks like you're speeding up interactions in game somehow

At least with how fast you sped away

Did you load the texture first before applying it in item code?

Also give log/item code in validator, might help with showing a patch fail

[simple spoke]

is it okay to copy paste the code here or is there a better way?

[hard fern]

!json

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[simple spoke]

https://smapi.io/json/none/c9164e8322a8403b9d2340009d83f508

thats what i have right now all i wanted to see for today was the texture for the seeds ingame. im failing for 3 hours now

[elder mountain]

This happened to me when I entered the wrong texture with a size of 24x48

Maybe you have the same

[ornate trellis]

Mods/{{ModId}}Assets/Objects/MonsteraSeeds.png shouldnt there be a / between {{ModId}} and Assets

[elder mountain]

I'm talking about fish. For some reason, she is caught without a mini-game

[wanton pebble]

Void's right re:texture

[simple spoke]

i will cry when thats the problem

changed it but still no image

[wanton pebble]

Waaait

[simple spoke]

the texture is 16x16 is that wrong?

[wanton pebble]

Did you ever load this texture

With the / that is

Because the json you sent was just the item

[elder mountain]

Exactly 16x16 is correct. I had a problem when I specified the main fish sprite as aquarium 24x48 so it didn't work for me

If you have 16x16, then everything should work

[elder mountain]

What does your path to the picture look like and how is it written?

[simple spoke]

Wait i will parse everything. not that its much

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/d148b4b640a94341b2db80d60d756e6b

[simple spoke]

Mods\MonsteraDeliciosa\Assets\Objects\MonsteraSeeds

[wanton pebble]

Target and Texture don't match

Or, well

The load's target should match what you put in texture for the item

[simple spoke]

I can't describe how grateful I feel right now

[simple spoke]

That was the problem and the missing "/"

[ornate trellis]

hm, how do i get ambientlight working for an outdoor map...if i take Outdoor T out i got no grass or fish but secret woods does have that and also working ambient light?

[simple spoke]

I love making sprites, but coding will be very adventurous for a long time.
Thank you all again🫡

[latent mauve]

Secret Woods also has a ton of defined Light sources, is your Map using any in the Map properties?

[ornate trellis]

i use 2 sconce type ones so far. the thing is during day it looks really bright (as daylight does on a map lol) and I just want some sort of darker vibe where it looks more like a forest clearing or something

tis my properties

i know secret woods uses the type 6 aka indoor window but how does the map feel darker in opposite to the other maps

[rancid temple]

Secret Woods is hardcoded to ignore outdoor lighting

[ornate trellis]

damnit

so without c# magic i wont be able to, huh

[rancid temple]

Yeah. Not sure if anyone's bothered making a framework for that

Might be something to add to a map utility framework

[velvet narwhal]

it wouldn't be too hard considering my one line of code works just fine for me

[faint ingot]

Should "removeObject" be able to get rid of items added with "addBigProp "? It doesn't seem to be working for me. https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Event_data

[tawny ore]

Hi @ivory plume I was wondering if we could discuss a proposal to support better integration between Automate and some of my mods (I'm going to thread this message to contain the proposal and your reply).

[mighty quest]

can anyone suggest an easy way to calculate at runtime what is the cheapest fish price available (ignoring seasons or location restrictions.. just what the cheapest price of any fish, considering mods and reduced profit modifier)?

[brittle pasture]

iterate over Game1.objectData, check if it's a fish, create the item and check the price

[mighty quest]

that sounds taxing

having to create about 100 items

[brittle pasture]

if you dont do it every tick that's not taxing at all

[mighty quest]

guess I'll do it at save load

[versed wyvern]

What should I look at if I want to make a map tile the player can interact with to get and immediately drink an item? I'd like to add a complimentary coffee machine to the Clinic so the player can visit for a free short speed boost, but without giving them free items

[brittle pasture]

the reason I said to actually create the item is because you seem to care about any price modifiers that the game/other mods may add on top

if you only care about the base price you wouldn't need to create the item, just checking the price in the data would be enough

[mighty quest]

on second thought, it's better if I ignore difficulty and profession + other modifiers

to check for a fish can I use the FishCategory, or would that include random crap like algae?

ok looks like the Type does include algae, but Category does not

[hallow urchin]

Hi guys, I'm trying to edit the "ActionTiles" property of a building within Data/Buildings.json in C#. The wiki shows this example:
var editor = asset.AsDictionary<string, string>(); editor.Data["Key C"] = "Value C";
Which would mean replacing the whole key for the building(and not just ActionTiles). Is there a better way to accomplish this?

[tawny ore]

Data/Buildings is not a Dictionary<string, string>

It should be a Dictionary<string, BuildingData>

[hallow urchin]

ooooooh

of courseee

[tawny ore]

If you interface with it as the right type you can access more deeply nested attributes

[hallow urchin]

fantastic, tysm

[brittle pasture]

also (CORRECTION: for reading only, not editing) you can use Game1.buildingData

[tawny ore]

You can't necessarily depend on that in the middle of an edit

You're results may vary depending on if you're late or early priority

Also changes to Game1.buildingData won't persist between edits from content mods, so you'd have to do that from the content pipeline if your intention is to make changes that every mod is able to see

[brittle pasture]

ah darn I missed the latter half of the question

[hallow urchin]

Now I'm wondering...
If I want to make a permanent change to a building type's functionality, should I be doing that through c# at all? Or should i prioritize using content patcher?

[uncut viper]

content patcher is just a C# mod that does things for you

so you CAN do it in C#

depending on how much you wanna do and how many other things you would use content patcher for it might be easier to use it though but if all you're doing is an edit to a buildings data that doesnt need to change then it doesnt really matter

[hallow urchin]

so if I run a OnAssetRequested change to add an action to a building (to run a method in my script, which I prefer), it's basically the same thing contentpatcher is doing?

[brittle pasture]

yes

[hallow urchin]

oh that's awesome

I much prefer that

[proven spindle]

I was able to do something similar using spacecore's tile action trigger function

Theoretically a map edit with a trigger action should be able to do it without spacecore but I've never been able to get that working, so spacecore it is lol

[versed wyvern]

Ooh, awesome, I'll go dig around Spacecore's docs then, thank you

[uncut viper]

spacecore wont be able to make you drink the item

[proven spindle]

No but you can get a drink and limit it to once per day with regular trigger action conds

Spacecore just lets you make it happen using a tile action

[versed wyvern]

Hmm, that seems like a problem then I didn't want to just give the player a free coffee because Harvey's right there and that's a free Loved gift just for visiting

[uncut viper]

yeah it read to me like the forced drinking was integral

[versed wyvern]

And farmerEat is event-only so I'm starting to fear this would need C#

[proven spindle]

Is the point to add a buff? I think that was a possible action, could just skip to that part plus some flavor text

[uncut viper]

i dont know a way you'd be able to do it without C# unles you just wanted to give them the buff itself but without an animation

[versed wyvern]

Well, that would be the next best thing, I don't think have the brain juice to spare to figure out C# for a while

[uncut viper]

you can use spacecore to play the drinking sound when they click it

along with the buff

[versed wyvern]

I'll go poke around there anyhow and maybe someday I can try making it a proper drink to get my feet wet with C#, thanks

[faint ingot]

Dang, I thought I had a way around this by using "removeTemporarySprites", but as soon as I added back the one I needed, the other one came back too : (

[tough crater]

So if I wanted to, I could basically make my own crazed version of content patcher? ... Nice 😈

[uncut viper]

yeah if you wanna recreate years of development and features to do things that content patcher will already let you do in 5min, then nothing is stopping you

[tawny ore]

Hey guys, Stardew Valley is just a C# Application with assets. If you wanted to you could make your own game as long as you provide the code and assets. /s

[tough crater]

That's too much for me to even think about taking on lol

[tough crater]

Can you play Doom in Stardew Valley?

[tawny ore]

!harmony

[ocean sail]

Here be dragons. Venture forth with bravery, young warrior, for thou art alone in these dark lands. See the Harmony wiki page for more info.

To use this command, type !harmony.

[tawny ore]

Or wait, this one maybe:

!god

[ocean sail]

To use this command, type !god.

[versed wyvern]

Unironically yes: https://github.com/wojciech-graj/DoomValley

(I haven't actually used it so I don't know well it runs)

[light jasper]

can someone point me to the docs for hiding other mods outputs in my debug console? I can't remember where it is

[lucid iron]

I don't think that's a feature

The log parser let u hide it ofc, but that's not console

[tawny ore]

I think smapi internals lets you tweak things like having verbose for your own using ids

[calm nebula]

Stupid ideas time

Right click trigger an event

That's an action you can do

Sure, it's two annoying fade in and out

[versed wyvern]

I did consider that but yeah I feel like the fadeouts would be kinda jarring

[calm nebula]

Also is AddBuff not a trigger action

Swore it was

[versed wyvern]

Plus it wouldn't be able to remain consistent with whoever else is in the Clinic, right?

[uncut viper]

it is

[silk venture]

Spent all day writing out AcceptGift lines for a bunch of different things for my NPC only to realize at the end here that anything singled out with that tag doesn't seem to count towards the weekly gift limits

[uncut viper]

what? that shouldnt be the case

[silk venture]

Wait

[uncut viper]

do you have CJB cheats unlimited gifts on?

[calm nebula]

(Pro tip: make sure cjb infinite gifts is not on )

[silk venture]

Yeah no nevermind i'm dumb. I actually haven't played much 1.6 and

[uncut viper]

the only things that bypass the limits are bday gifts and stardrop tea

[silk venture]

I did not realize that stardrop tea, uniquely, does not count

yeah

[uncut viper]

and im actually not 100% sure on bday gifts i cant remember

[rancid temple]

I believe birthday gifts count towards the daily limit but not the weekly

[calm nebula]

Birthday gifts count towards the limit

[uncut viper]

i know they count towards the limit

[calm nebula]

BUT you can give a b-day gift even if you've given two gifts that week

[uncut viper]

i wasnt sure about bypassing it if you've given 2 this week (but not today)

[silk venture]

I really need to do more testing before I say stuff sometimes- Right after I sent that message I went back in-game and attempted to give something other than stardrop tea only to get the "You've already given a gift today" box, lmao

Not the first time i've done something like that, probably won't be the last 👍

[uncut viper]

the reason i always forget the birthday thing is Haley is my go to and she is cursed with a Sunday birthday

so it never matters

[silk venture]

Oh dang, I'd never even thought about that

[calm nebula]

Poor Haley

[versed wyvern]

I suppose she's already easy enough to raise just because her bday is that early though

Only one easier is Shane, I think

[uncut viper]

you wont be able to get any of her loves by then anyway so not really

[versed wyvern]

One time the Traveling Cart brought me 5x coconuts in time for it

[calm nebula]

Debug fin sunflower

[uncut viper]

unless you super book it to the desert, i guess

traveling cart is an option thats true

i usually dont have enough money banked up for treats at the cart by week 2 tho

[rancid temple]

Just gotta start fishing on day 2

[versed wyvern]

But I also came to realize that she has a number of lines meant to show her slowly warming up to you that I've never seen because I just drown her in flowers immediately

[uncut viper]

i do!

i am the resident fisher between my partner and i

but why spend money on niceties when there are backpacks and empty dirt spots on our farm

[rancid temple]

Can't fill dirt spots without scarecrows

[uncut viper]

thats why my partner is the resident miner

[velvet narwhal]

"babe i'm gonna go mine"
"ok have fun starts up junimo cart"

[uncut viper]

im 100% sure thats literally happened word for word many times

[light jasper]

idk who has the harder task in that situation tbh

[lucid iron]

Button do u use that mod which lock you into junimo kart jail whenever a multiplayer event starts (for another player)

[calm nebula]

You actually like junimo cart????

I'm so bad at it

[light jasper]

[uncut viper]

i dont know what mod you mean and i dont know if ive ever actually been playing it when a multiplayer event starts

also yes i genuinely love junimo kart

i would much rather play junimo kart than go mining

[lucid iron]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/29913

[calm nebula]

I only ever successfully got past level 1 with 1.6's generous grace jumps

[lucid iron]

Jail for p2

[rancid temple]

"Fair" is a wild adjective for a co-op game

[light jasper]

I've never heard a more sadistic sentence in my life

[uncut viper]

this seems like an objectively worse experience to me

just install a mod that pauses time when someones in a cutscene

[calm nebula]

Let's split the difference

[uncut viper]

that is my preference

[calm nebula]

Time runs at 1/n speed

Tbh I've also never played real Stardew MP

[versed wyvern]

Yeah, doesn't that just... force all progress to stop while the clock keeps going?

[uncut viper]

it pauses time

[teal bridge]

Time is paused in MP if (and only if) all players pause simultaneously. Hence "fair", I guess, if everyone has the mod installed.

Force everyone to pause if anyone pauses.

[uncut viper]

i was referring to the mod

[rancid temple]

I assumed it was going for "fair" as in it's not fair that the person not viewing the cutscene gets to keep playing?

[uncut viper]

but i was mistaken anyway, it asks you to install Pause Time in Multiplayer for it

[rancid temple]

Wow

[uncut viper]

that is the definition of fair yeah

(the definition of fair for this mod* i mean)

[rotund elm]

Does anyone here use BBCode on their mod page?

[teal bridge]

What other choice is there?

[rancid temple]

Plain text I guess

[uncut viper]

just about every mod ive ever seen on nexusmods uses bbcode in at least one spot

[rotund elm]

Ok would any of yall know if they have a vendetta against table of contents, because my anchor tags are just not working

XD

My anchor tags are not working at all

IDK if their is a mod page that has a working one I could check but I swear I'm doing it right lol

[teal bridge]

As far as I'm aware, bbcode has never supported anchors.

[rancid temple]

I've never seen anyone with a ToC

[teal bridge]

How are you even trying to write an anchor tag? Like what syntax did you attempt for that?

[calm nebula]

I assume raw html lol

Dude I can't even table lol

[rotund elm]

I may be on something then lol, I swear you can use anchor tags, I used them in school [anchor=description]

[teal bridge]

Maybe there is some bbcode implementation out there that accepts that, but not Nexus.

[rotund elm]

Maybe I can just try using a link to that portion of the mod page

[calm nebula]

Markdown needs to happen lol

Although tbh how long is your mod page

[teal bridge]

You can link to pages with anchors just fine, you just can't create an anchor.

[rotund elm]

Not long now but its about to get super long LMAO

[rancid temple]

I would make the page short and have documentation elsewhere

[uncut viper]

you can always put things in spoiler blocks

[teal bridge]

(For Nexus, Markdown needed to happen 10 years ago; we're whistling past the graveyard now)

[rotund elm]

Im gonna use spoilers to hide bulk info but I don't want to make a whole wiki or pdf for people to see all the info

[uncut viper]

(as of 3 months ago apparently markdown is "still planned on" but they are working on other projects right now)

[rotund elm]

Love that for us lol

[teal bridge]

Of course they are. Many vitally important projects, as you can see in their announcements.

[uncut viper]

theyve got their new UI coming out this month i believe so maybe itll be closer in priority now

[velvet narwhal]

are we still guinea pigs for that stardew-vortex

[uncut viper]

theyre not making a stardew mod manager, theyre making a general mod manager

[rancid temple]

Gotta keep experimenting with compressing all our screenshots

[velvet narwhal]

oh, i thought it was specifically for us, but again, chicken wire brain

[rotund elm]

Screw vortex lol

[teal bridge]

I think you meant to say "another general mod manager".

[rotund elm]

All vortex has ever done right was install my 1900 mod skyrim constellation pack

[uncut viper]

i could mean to say that, but what i said is also still correct

[velvet narwhal]

i mean smapi already handles everything for us

[rotund elm]

I cant even get that crap to open the proper mod file half the time

Stardrop is great but the in manager mod update feature no longer works right now

and I am sad cause I pay for premium and it would be nice

[velvet narwhal]

oh, i just get redirected

[uncut viper]

could always try that new mod manager that someone made recently

[velvet narwhal]

no premium club 🤝

the thing with the uhhh god what was it, the one Ai translation to help other languages or something?

[rotund elm]

WHERE

[uncut viper]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lucid iron]

It's ok just get 30k dl

[uncut viper]

i dont remember what its called

[rotund elm]

Yea!

Damn

[uncut viper]

probably uploaded to the Modding Tools categoryu maybe

[lucid iron]

I think it was a fairly general name

[rotund elm]

Ill take a look but if it doesnt have auto mod updates or in manager mod updates Ill stick with stardrop

[uncut viper]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/29713

[lucid iron]

Windows only if that matters, and psure u still need premium for auto updates

[velvet narwhal]

yes yes, i'm not a real mod author because i haven't been accosted by a dm to get me to be a dev for an ideas man

[teal bridge]

Is the 30k thing uniques or totals?

[velvet narwhal]

30k uniques

[uncut viper]

uniques

[rancid temple]

Pretty sure the premium restriction is on Nexus's end

[rotund elm]

total I believe

[teal bridge]

And it's supposed to be for just one mod, right?

[lucid iron]

Mine was stuck on like 29500 for a month

[velvet narwhal]

across all your mods

[uncut viper]

no, across all mods

[lucid iron]

Even though my total was above

[rancid temple]

All mods, I would only have gotten it very recently if it was only one mod lol

[teal bridge]

Oh. Huh, then I think I actually beat that a second time for Stardew, not that it makes any difference.

[velvet narwhal]

i figured you would've already had it by now focus

[rotund elm]

Yea you get one at 10K to I think or something around there

[uncut viper]

you get single months of premium at a few milestones

[lucid iron]

For most ppl actively making mods

[teal bridge]

Oh, I had it before I ever released a Stardew mod, I was just curious if the Stardew numbers themselves would have done it.

[rancid temple]

You get several one month long free premiums on the way up to 30k

[lucid iron]

You can probably reach it before the 1 month premiums ran out

[uncut viper]

i didnt even use mine

[rancid temple]

Took me about 3 months I think

[rotund elm]

this is pretty neat actually

[velvet narwhal]

just sell yourself to the devil whims of users, and make a pretty decent aesthetic/user-facing QOL mod

[rotund elm]

Exactly lmao

[uncut viper]

alternatively, you can make a fake garbage anti-lag mod

[teal bridge]

My predictions of which mods would be popular were way, way off.

[rotund elm]

Ive seen too many of these

[velvet narwhal]

now that is peak dp farming right there

[teal bridge]

Though, yeah, random aesthetic changes and "more stuff" mods are pretty easy wins.

[rotund elm]

Lol did yall see the new policies with the dp system

[velvet narwhal]

if there's been another new change, no

if you're talking about the change prior to 1.6.9 drop, yes

[rancid temple]

New as in when they changed the math or new as in a recent change?

[uncut viper]

the last time i recall them changing was like, half a year ago

[rotund elm]

The new algorithm yea

Maybe i just saw it late but I thought it was only a month or two ago

[velvet narwhal]

something, something, pathos and casey have seen a record low

[rancid temple]

I got one payout before the algorithm change, so I dunno what it was like before

[velvet narwhal]

which makes me 😠

[rancid temple]

Well they still haven't released the framework payout changes

[versed wyvern]

Is that in reference to the one that immediately broke at 1.6.9?

[teal bridge]

It's a reference to the one that was broken on day one.

[uncut viper]

there wasnt a release expected for the framework stuff, they said it was something they wanted to figure out

[rancid temple]

They were supposed to have separate math for frameworks like SMAPI and SpaceCore

[rotund elm]

Interesting....

[velvet narwhal]

well that's the "personally picked" mods

[rancid temple]

I'm sure it won't take them several years /s

[uncut viper]

they werent "supposed" to when they changed the algorithm. just something they want to consider

also yes as focus said that one mod never worked right and always made things worse

[rotund elm]

Is this the performance mod that unpixelated stardew valley because that made me die laughing

[uncut viper]

plenty of nexus comments saying it works great, though.

[velvet narwhal]

something something, false smapi logger and a lot of unnecessary calls to the garbage collector

[rotund elm]

or is it the one for ram

idk theres so many

[teal bridge]

No? SpriteMaster and CG work fine.

[lucid iron]

Spritemaster was actually perf improving in 1.5

[uncut viper]

i dont know what ram thing you mean but you are thinking of SpriteMaster, but it actually did things

[rotund elm]

SpriteMaster thats the name, I guess it would work, but why

[lucid iron]

The one being referred to here is no more lag

[rotund elm]

I see X|

[uncut viper]

afaik the unpixelation was an auxiliary feature?

[versed wyvern]

No More Lag is the one I was talking about yeah, are you telling me that just never did anything

[lucid iron]

1.5 has funny(bad) handling for textures i think, no clue what's the specifics as i am baby

[teal bridge]

I think we should avoid speaking its name in public, or come up with a funny alt name.

[rotund elm]

Lol

[uncut viper]

More Lag

[velvet narwhal]

idk, i'm pretty sure pathos has publicly stated that it crashes content patcher

[rotund elm]

XDD

[rotund elm]

this ones a winner

[rancid temple]

No More Lag broke CP didn't it?

[uncut viper]

it does technically do things. it doesnt do things you want it to do, though

on the contrary it does things you dont want it to do

[versed wyvern]

I'd thought I'd seen people saying it made big mods load faster but it also sounded too good to be true to me

[teal bridge]

Yeah, the things it does are 99% nullified by vanilla game code and 1% actively harmful.

[uncut viper]

any performance improvement people saw is placebo

[rotund elm]

Does smapi use threading already?

[velvet narwhal]

never will afaik

[teal bridge]

Hahaha, nothing based on MonoGame uses threading, at least not very effectively.

[lucid iron]

More lag has a chance to kill cp yea, if it managed to actually "work" and preload something that is map or textures

[rotund elm]

Im assuming no the way the game goes unresponsive when first loading

[velvet narwhal]

i had a good track record of 3/10 AVE crashes while debugging 1.6.9 because i accidentally had NML installed and forgot about it

[lucid iron]

For map it was put it as generic object (which is bad) while for texture monogame doesn't let u thread that

[rotund elm]

I see

[teal bridge]

Suuuure, "accidentally"

[velvet narwhal]

yes, had it in the folder because i decomplied cause i'm nosy

[rancid temple]

I just decompile from the downloads folder

[uncut viper]

i have a separate folder entirely that i put mods i wanna decompile into

[lucid iron]

Anyway mod making amrite

[velvet narwhal]

what's that like

[uncut viper]

i think decompiling mods is making mods related

[rotund elm]

LOL

[velvet narwhal]

yeah we're still talking about mods

[versed wyvern]

Technically it's unmaking a mod

[teal bridge]

#making-placebo-mods

[rancid temple]

Observing other peoples crimes is important sometimes

[rotund elm]

please XD

[rancid temple]

Especially when they decide to do something that breaks shit

[lucid iron]

The jury

[uncut viper]

or when you're too lazy to go find the source repo

[velvet narwhal]

or it just ~doesn't exist~

[uncut viper]

this is why i have Content Patcher open in ILSpy

[rotund elm]

New modders reading the convo right now 👀

[velvet narwhal]

which was the case for it at the time (don't know if that's still true)

[teal bridge]

Some authors don't post repo links on their mod pages and don't use the same author or project names on GitHub, making them very hard to find.

[lucid iron]

I have used another mod being close source as excuse to refuse compat before

[teal bridge]

How would you even write compat without the source?

[tiny zealot]

i'll use this excuse any time

[uncut viper]

also doesnt help that right now the API that SMAPI/Pathos uses to get source links from mod descriptions is broken and so source links arent actually being put on the compatibility repo

[teal bridge]

I guess if it had an API and a lot of documentation, or something.

[velvet narwhal]

you did the SiD fix on your own because you were pissed off about it idk what you mean

[lucid iron]

Just harmony crime them ofc

[calm nebula]

My entire repo is a crime scene then

[lucid iron]

No i did it in exchange for angry roger that's different

[uncut viper]

i think focus meant like, if you didnt even have access to the dll?

hard to know how to harmony crime without that

[teal bridge]

I guess you can always decompile, but, yeah, no way I'm writing compat for a decompiled mod, it's hard enough doing that with vanilla.

[lucid iron]

I am still confused about what im doing wrong with source code links though

[rancid temple]

The best you're gonna get with me having to look at a decompiled mod is telling you why it's broken

[lucid iron]

It never gets picked up automatically by the smapi compat list

[uncut viper]

#making-mods-general message

/lh

[lucid iron]

Oh but it was borked b4 the gh move

[velvet narwhal]

pathos on vacation, we're self sufficient

[uncut viper]

it wouldnt be the move that broke it

[lucid iron]

I think it managed to pick up my very first mod and then never again

[uncut viper]

its on Nexus's end, per pathos

[lucid iron]

Naruhodo

[uncut viper]

#making-mods-general message

[calm nebula]

You can just PR him lol

[velvet narwhal]

everyone taking their vacation at the same time

[uncut viper]

who is "him" when talking about Nexus

[calm nebula]

It's like it's new years

[rancid temple]

It's almost like a major holiday just occured /lh

[lucid iron]

Yeah i do and it's not big deal

[calm nebula]

You can PR your source links into the mod update repo

[lucid iron]

But i do wonder if the open source mods stats r actually lower than reality

[uncut viper]

oh, i thought you meant for fixing the nexus export api thing

[lucid iron]

If the thing isn't reliable

[teal bridge]

Hm, I just checked and interestingly the compat list does not have StardewUI, but it has Pen Pals which was released months after StardewUI. Little strange.

[velvet narwhal]

What's that like, I've always worked uhhh wtf are they called, important jobs or w.e

[uncut viper]

yeah im not scared to do that or anything

[calm nebula]

Yeah it's weird. It's like

[uncut viper]

i just cant really be bothered

[calm nebula]

Suddenly people are replying to my emails again lol

It's amazing.

What do you mean most people took vacation...

[tiny zealot]

ok i checked all of my mods on the compat list and the github links are all there, so phew crisis averted

[rancid temple]

I think they called it "Essential"

[calm nebula]

Real talk I'm glad I was in a clean room during the pandemic

Probably the place least likely to get sick

[tiny zealot]

i haven't added a new mod in a hot minute but i typically put the github link in the description and also in the list of Mirrors, so that might have helped me if any of them came after the break?

[uncut viper]

i dont think we know exactly when the break was

[rancid temple]

I avoided catching covid for a long time by having a heart condition and losing my job

[teal bridge]

I do that too, so probably not the whole story.

[velvet narwhal]

i was unaware of the break until button said something tbh

[rancid temple]

Didn't catch it until the bars opened back up and my roommates started leaving the house again

[tiny zealot]

this is the first time i'm hearing about it!

[velvet narwhal]

me tabbing through channels: "Pathos is typing"
me:

[teal bridge]

Although.... hmm, on StardewUI my GitHub mirror link goes to the /releases page for some reason instead of the project root. Could be coincidence, but that's the only mod where I did a weird mirror link and also the only one that's missing from compat.
(Edit: False alarm, a bunch of my older mods did the same thing and they all made it)

[uncut viper]

absolutely none of my mods have their sources linked, but my books mod i didnt have it at the start so that tracks. BETAS i mightve forgotten to put it there immediately. CMCT im rather sure was there from the start, so thats October 4th

[velvet narwhal]

speaking of junimos, i wanna ask DH if he can turn off front-facing MEEP logs

[uncut viper]

(also confetti.trees i see you keep typing and untyping so dont be afraid to interrupt us!)

[velvet narwhal]

i have forgotten the atra quote, but don't be afraid to interrupt us, we will never shut the hell up

[rancid temple]

We yap, feel free to interrupt

[velvet narwhal]

oh i found it

.q 6255

[patent lance]

#6255

Please interrupt these fools if they're off topic

• @calm nebula (Jump)

13 Nov 2024 @ 09:33:56 PM UTC

[velvet narwhal]

[hallow urchin]

Sup guys
Does "\n" not work for a line break in dialogues?

[calm nebula]

Nope

[hallow urchin]

Is there a way to do it?

[calm nebula]

Nope

[hallow urchin]

waaa really

[calm nebula]

Yup

[hallow urchin]

well i'll do another box of dialogue then

[calm nebula]

Dialogue explicitly removes newline even if you try to put them in

[tiny zealot]

breaking to a new box with $b has a similar vibe

[hallow urchin]

oh that's useful

[tiny zealot]

you can do line breaks in mail (^), if that's helpful

[hallow urchin]

just a standard dialogue box but that's good to know

[slim gorge]

All forms of newlines? Unicode has a lot.

[slim gorge]

Once I finish updating it, it should be again... if less so.

[calm nebula]

I mean, monogame assumes /n lol

[slim gorge]

The performance improvements were/are auxiliary features.

[uncut viper]

i was close!

[slim gorge]

How'd they manage that? SM even explicitly patches/replaces a ton of SMAPI functionality regarding loading textures, and even replaces a lot of the OpenGL calls...

[calm nebula]

Game1.content.Load<object>

[slim gorge]

Why "die laughing"?

[uncut viper]

i assume they thought it was the unpixelation that caused the performance increase

[slim gorge]

Ah. SM patches things at a lower level (usually).

[rancid temple]

Oh I thought the joke is that it unpixelates a pixel art game

[slim gorge]

I'm not sure how that's a joke.

[uncut viper]

sometimes you can just find something amusing even if its not a joke. how amusing depends on the person i spose

[slim gorge]

Resampling algorithms have existed since 1980... for this very purpose.

[rancid temple]

I don't even find some jokes amusing, but they're still jokes

Like anything Dane Cook steals

[slim gorge]

SM does not support SAA5050 from 1980, though.

[slim gorge]

It is a bit odd to call something I've worked on for 5 years "a joke"...

[uncut viper]

they didnt call it a joke

[rancid temple]

I don't think the joke is specifically about the mod, moreso about the end result

[slim gorge]

Then I'm confused.

[velvet narwhal]

tbh i'd just let goat answer, goin round in circles ain't gonna get us anywhere

[rancid temple]

I'm the wrong person to explain humor

[rotund elm]

I just think it is confusing why someone would want to unpixelate A pixelated game, my apologies if I offended you, that was not my intent

[slim gorge]

That's what my brain is doing.

Now I'm Ian McKellan.

[velvet narwhal]

well you have been gone for a pretty long time i assume

[rancid temple]

You return and now it's filled with us newbs

[slim gorge]

As said, people have been doing this for 45 years. I personally have fundamental issues with pseudopixelized art (and plan on adding "repixelation" to SM to align things and make it properly pixelated).

SM has a similar amount of logic to the game itself. It is very, very large.

[lucid iron]

repixelation

[rotund elm]

That answered my next question, I never considered it that way

[lucid iron]

is it like u smooth out a 16x16 but then pixelate it a bit to look as if its 32x32

[rancid temple]

Well I look forward to seeing the repixelization

[lucid iron]

or any other combo of source and target res

[slim gorge]

The game pretends to be pixelated, and also pretends to have things like Mode 7... but it's neither. That bothers me :/ it's not reminiscent of low-resolution games or old sprite-rasterizing consoles to me :/

[tiny zealot]

i assume ameise is referring to rendering on an actual consistent pixel grid instead of the mishmash of scales that the vanilla game uses

[slim gorge]

Correct.

[rotund elm]

Yea I have checked it out, but my vision is also terrible so it doesn't look pixelated to me, not that that is an excuse for my previous words, I do hope you'll forgive me ❤️

[slim gorge]

Something like the SNES could arbitrarily scale sprites, but it was all done very differently.

[slim gorge]

I did a joke version for April 1 a while back.

[brittle pasture]

ah yeah, mixels
some game dev corners in the internet consider those jailable offenses

[slim gorge]

Looking through media I've added as comments. There's a lot.

[lucid iron]

is this the face of yoba

[versed wyvern]

Got a bit of Shrek energy in there

[hard fern]

Oh my

It kind of reminds me how, when making custom designs in acnh, the pixels will get smoothed out

[dreamy cedar]

I'm writing a mail entry - how can I say "1+2" in the mail without the + being replaced by a pictogram of some sort? Is there an escape character or something?

[lucid iron]

just don't use english

[uncut viper]

you cannot

[calm nebula]

The font is Just Like That

[lucid iron]

there's regular font in other langs

[calm nebula]

I ended up using the & instead

[brittle pasture]

hmm I remember one SVE event where you do arithmetic. I wonder if they actually patched the font (like the down arrow) or if that event didnt have a plus sign at all

[rancid temple]

It's several word problems

[velvet narwhal]

the down arrow does get patched by SVE

[calm nebula]

You do dimensional analysis and then calculus

[velvet narwhal]

nomori and i found that out the hard way

[brittle pasture]

oh yeah, two apples at a market kinda stuff

[velvet narwhal]

oh that's what you meant

[wispy gale]

hey everyone, i was told to bring mod compatibility questions here - i'm v new to modding and most tests have run great so far except this one. so i'm making a little mentalhealth/self-care mod where characters literally just ask/remind you to drink water LOL. but in a more conversational way than a phone notification lul. the initial version will have Alex as lead "Accountability Buddy" that players can team up with (in the least Fitness Coach way as possible i think lol), and eventually expand so other NPCs can be players' accountability buddy and additionally maybe other self-care reminders outside of drinking water too hehe. but rn since i'm married to Seb in my current playthrough, i'm testing the code with him. goal: compatibility with other dialogue mods. here's my content.jason, default.json, seb dialogue & seb marriage dialogue JSON files: content - https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/cf508bf0d7c7410181d4d6c1aa255736 default - https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/43e079ed095e46fbb8cedf63d84c152d SEB dialogue - https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/39045598c0314a6cab700ae287bfbd7d SEB marriage dialogue - https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/a59b95e1c4604f959159449ee990420d

[velvet narwhal]

also screw that rate of change question, i hate that thing

[rancid temple]

If Sam has two apples and Sebastian has four apples, what is the circumference of two suns smashing against each other

[dreamy cedar]

For what it's worth, there's no math here. It's a letter from Maru:

Hey @! Maru here! I forgot to tell you that there's a knob down by your left knee that you can use to widen or narrow the spread of your tools! It works well to go narrow, but the wide setting is really fiddly. I'm sure you'll get the hang of it with practice!^ - M^ ^(Hint - use the keypad plus and minus keys to increase or decrease the area of effect of your tools. The max area is 3x3 until you get farming skill of 10, when it goes to 5x5.)[#]Tractor Tool Shift Knob HowTo

I went with spelling out the + and - thing. I'm not sure of the future of this thing if I make that keybind configurable.

[calm nebula]

Oh come on both of the sve questions are super easy

[velvet narwhal]

atra i dropped out of calc intro 2, leave me alone, i'm stupid

[rancid temple]

I had to look up how to do the math and when I clicked back into the game I accidentally chose the wrong answer

[calm nebula]

Tbh I found them unimmersive because they were so easy

[brittle pasture]

what is the specific problem you are having, your post doesnt say

[velvet narwhal]

listen here electrical engineer, some of us work essential jobs and can only count money and don't care about everything else

[wispy gale]

@serene tapir ty for offering help in the other thread! any guidance would be appreciated when you have time. **issue: **on Green Rain summer 6, it will do either of the following:

1. load OG dialogue from the game + CFDE's Spouse Room dialogue regardless of whether Spouse is in the spouse room or the kitchen(Randomly selected i think?)
   OR
2. load OG dialogue from the game + MyMod ("RKAB" for short) dialogue for MarriageDialogueNPC, but not Green Rain 1 or 2, only "Rainy_Day_1" or more in the same file dialogue (randomly too i think)

it won't run OG, CDFE, and RKAB one after another, and even if it does run mine, it's not the correct dialogue i want.

[velvet narwhal]

line 19 in your content.json

needs to be editdata, not include

[rancid temple]

I dropped out of high school, any advanced math I wanna know I have to learn myself

[velvet narwhal]

i'm surprised that didn't throw an error at you in SMAPI tbh

[rancid temple]

I mean, might've done, I don't see a log

[tiny zealot]

listen if i wanted brain teasers i would play professor layton

[velvet narwhal]

you don't understand the urge i have to have professor layton sliding puzzles as an IMiniGame

i fucking hate those things

[rancid temple]

I don't know why I hate sliding puzzles, I actually do alright at them

[orchid patrol]

Hello I am back with a new question. I have apparently ROYALLY fucked up adding a mail flag despite copy and pasting directly from "trigger actions". I'm having trouble finding documentation to tell me precisely how to fix it. Help?
SMAPI log: https://smapi.io/log/613d3a3ac80d45748fefdfcfe6336628?Sections=ModUpdateList
CP validator: https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/9e2958f571c946248ed4133aa3d8e861

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.7 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows 10 Home, with 27 C# mods and 1 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[wispy gale]

hi - new to modding & here's where i'm at, i appreciate any guidance!

https://smapi.io/log/aad051ab08854b1ca59d6ee524258bd4

goal: make my dialogue mod compatible with primarily Canon-Friendly Dialogue Expansion (CFDE) and potentially Diverse Stardew Valley (DSV), playing each dialogue even if it's 5+ clicks long lol

**issue: **on Green Rain summer 6, it will do either one of the following:

1. load OG dialogue from the game + CFDE's Spouse Room dialogue regardless of whether Spouse is in the spouse room or the kitchen (Randomly i think?)
2. load OG dialogue from the game + MyMod ("RKAB" for short) dialogue from MarriageDialogueNPC file, but not Green Rain 1-2, only "Rainy_Day_3" in the same file dialogue (Random)
3. load CFDE Spuse Room dialogue only

it won't run OG, CDFE, and RKAB one after another, and even if it does run mine, it's not the correct dialogue i want

things i tried:

• default.json: unique dialogue keys >> "RKAB.GreenRain_MarriageDialogueSeb"
• RKAB.MarriageDialogue_Seb, Changes/Action/EditData and used "GreenRain" and "GreenRain_2" as game-recognized dialogue keys = "{{i18n: RKAB.GreenRain_MarriageDialogueSeb}}")
• *content.json:

•         1) ***used Action/Include***, which i saw was effective in Hearty Haley mod
         2) "When": "HasMod" and the ModUniqueIDs 
  

• consulted the Modding Wiki dialogue section, searched "mod compatibility" and "dialogue compatibility" in #1272025932932055121 and even other mod threads here to what can be shown (i think back to 2023)
• will no longer be consulting AI for code after being advised
• reordering so that "GreenRain1-2" follows "Rainy_Day_1"
• in RKAB Marriage Dialogue Seb file, rerouted all "Rainy_Day_ 0-4" keys: "{{i18n: RKAB.GreenRain_MarriageDialogueSeb}}"
• made sure all mods updated (one issue with TDIT Island Portrait, but otherwise all good)
• labeled mod "Z RKAB" loading last

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.10 with SDV 1.6.14 build 24317 on Microsoft Windows 11 Home, with 38 C# mods and 42 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[rancid temple]

I don't see a patch for Data/mail?

[brittle pasture]

You're missing a block to wrap around the entire Data/TriggerActions entry

[rancid temple]

Oh is this meant to be a hidden flag

[velvet narwhal]

it's unnecessary to have a "when" patch for trigger actions because you're already using the condition field, you can shove it at the end of your condition like: "Condition": "PLAYER_STAT Current Book_Artifact 1, {{MayoBook}}",

[serene tapir]

i think it'd be really helpful to add these to your toolbox confetti: patch summary "youruniqueID", and patch export Characters\Dialogue\NPCInternalName

[velvet narwhal]

but yes everyone else's suggestions is good

[serene tapir]

lord i hope i got those right its been a minute since i bug tested

[wispy gale]

https://smapi.io/log/aad051ab08854b1ca59d6ee524258bd4 my bad, i am piece-mealing this from my post in another mod thread

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.10 with SDV 1.6.14 build 24317 on Microsoft Windows 11 Home, with 38 C# mods and 42 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[brittle pasture]

Should be "Entries": { "YourTriggerId" : { your code here } } (add indentation/newlines as necessary)

[velvet narwhal]

just double checking, does your content.json look exactly like what you linked above? because then you're missing the actual initial {} to wrap the entire content.json in

[uncut viper]

(in fact, it's unnecessary to make that conditional at all, since the patch that raises the price after getting that flag is itself conditional)

[calm nebula]

GreenRain is a normal dialogue file key

you should target Characters/Dialogue/Sebastian for that

[uncut viper]

(conditional on the config I mean)

[calm nebula]

it is not relevant if they're married or no

[velvet narwhal]

i just see a when patch on trigger actions and i

[uncut viper]

sometimes it's necessary

[serene tapir]

the first loads a little chart of boxes telling you some stats about what is or isn't happening re your specific mod. there are some limitations, you won't see includes marked as applied and it only really works right after you load in a save file. the second loads a big chunk of the dialogue in as a single file you can find in your game folder and look through. it only shows the loaded version of a randomized line in my experience but very useful to see if your edit is actually the last one loaded in

[orchid patrol]

That did it, thank you!

[orchid patrol]

Oh, so if I want people to be able to turn on/off the x3 Multiplier at will I only need it under the Data/Objects? Or not even there?

[uncut viper]

you only need to conditionally load the edit that changes the price based on the mail flag

if that patch isn't loaded because they have the config turned off, then it won't matter if they have the mail flag or not

[orchid patrol]

Perfect, thank you!

[uncut viper]

You CAN make it conditional the way Jamore said, it's just unnecessary

[wispy gale]

Ohhh okay cool, i haven't heard of those before - how would i use them? like type them into SMAPI after help command or like a windows run command? or is that a feature from Content Patcher?

[uncut viper]

though making it conditional either of the two ways would likely make the actual price change lag behind by one day

[orchid patrol]

That's not a deal breaker for me, and if someone smarter than me has an issue with it and can code that out they are welcome to a pull request on GitHib Again thanks for all your help!

[serene tapir]

content patcher feature! here's a link to the troubleshooting page of the cp documentation. https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/troubleshooting.md

[velvet narwhal]

weren't item price changes cached-per-item or is the chicken wire brain striking again

[wispy gale]

yah idk, i was modeling it after what i saw working in tottlesfarm's Heart Haley mod - i uninstalled all my mods and tried running the one i'm creating using EditData and it...wouldn't? lol so i looked at other dialogue mods and trying Include worked

[velvet narwhal]

it's probably because of all of your missing {}s

[uncut viper]

they are yeah, they said earlier that's fine though

[velvet narwhal]

if that was discussed, my brain is split in like 9 different directions and i didn't keep up

[uncut viper]

to be clear I meant it'd lag if you used a When condition or the other way Jamore said! though the latter can be mitigated by making it trigger on LocationChanged which I'd probably do anyway
you might already be but I'm on mobile and don't have your json open and don't remember

[velvet narwhal]

Button needs to finalize the json toy so I can turn it into a command

[uncut viper]

it's never gonna have anything but preset jsons in it for tutorial purposes

[velvet narwhal]

Yeah that's fine because it saves me the trouble of the sandwich analogy

[uncut viper]

oh if you just mean for explaining brackets then you can still link to it as is right now. it's just kinda overkill most of the time when all people care about in the moment are bracket issues and not an entire explanation of json

[rancid temple]

Make a command that's the sandwich analogy

[velvet narwhal]

I'll make it both eventually and it'd just be !sandwich

[wispy gale]

lul to answer your prior question, i do have the opening & closing {} in my visual studio code doc, i just...fudgeded up the copy/paste job heh

[velvet narwhal]

I am yet again contemplating the full tutorial of "strictly using BETAS for dialogue expansions."

[wispy gale]

ohhh amazing ty! just looked thru it and still a lil confused about how to apply these features. would i type them directly into my content.json or whatever other json i'm working on? and then check the error log after running it? very basically: where does this text go? lol

[gentle rose]

I want to play around with BETAS, it probably opens so much room for cursedness

[serene tapir]

into the smapi console after you've launched a save file!

[velvet narwhal]

I already have a base template for a "more maru" mod that will probably not be released anytime soon

[uncut viper]

if you do and find yourself limited in this regard, let me know so I can fix it

[velvet narwhal]

Yes were both out of cursed ideas

[wispy gale]

yah i do have an EditData change in that target file with "GreenRain" and "GreenRain_2" as dialogue keys but it's getting completely ignored...gonna try the patch summary & patch export features. ty everyone!

[gentle rose]

“if you ever find yourself unable to reach full cursedness, lmk” ty buttons I absolutely will

[calm nebula]

silly questions time.

[uncut viper]

(and in more seriousness, for non cursed things too. im out of ideas. if you ever need a gsq or action or trigger please let me know i need more stuff to add that will be useful)

[calm nebula]

I wonder if festivals freeze the time at the time you went in

and in particular, if the TIME query works

[gentle rose]

ooo with BETAS I can now make it so that any time the player tries to change the music, I can punish them with a rickroll, entirely through content patcher!

[uncut viper]

the music changed trigger happens through normal music changing means as well

such as random music turning on

i like where your head is at though

[rancid temple]

Even better, constant rickrolls

[gentle rose]

I already forgot if there’s an “on hp loss” trigger bc I’m on the actions page but Fade To Black On HP Loss would make a lovely concussion mod

[uncut viper]

there is a damage taken trigger

[velvet narwhal]

i am very happy to have chaos partner

this sparks joy

[uncut viper]

the trigger also reports how much damage was taken iirc, so you can fade for longer if you take more damage

[gentle rose]

I feel like I can do Very Dangerous Things with that patch update action

[velvet narwhal]

you haven't even read the harmony patching

[uncut viper]

patch update is at least more practical

my main thing I was thinking of with the patch update action was instant mail flag based patches

[versed wyvern]

I for one would welcome a mod that plays a rickroll over the player's wedding

[uncut viper]

since you could add mail and patch update back to back in the same trigger action

[versed wyvern]

(Would even be sweet in a way given the lyrics)

[velvet narwhal]

noted, i'll do that for mothman's update

[uncut viper]

and instantly reload any patches that check for the mail flag in their condition

[gentle rose]

rickroll: everyone starts crying

[calm nebula]

you gotta do blood splatter

[gentle rose]

the harmony methods are very promising for hiding my crimes

[uncut viper]

you could do something with splatter sfx with a Delayed action at the same time you fade to black

[velvet narwhal]

oh wait

[uncut viper]

just time a playsound action to happen mid fade

[velvet narwhal]

could iro do the "get the fuck away from my door" thing with BETAS

[gentle rose]

gonna remake shovel mod entirely through betas /lh

[uncut viper]

im not sure what door thing that is

[velvet narwhal]

pls explain, i'm eating

[gentle rose]

it was an idea for an immersion mod for when you’re pre-2 hearts with an npc and they’re INSIDE THEIR ROOM and ignoring you like the little shits they are

but no, it wouldn’t work through betas bc it requires too much cursitude

[uncut viper]

what would it require?

[velvet narwhal]

i imagine if you don't want them to actually come up to the door, it's possible

[uncut viper]

whats the idea here again, what did you want the npc to do

[gentle rose]

so there were multiple versions at various points of how you check if they’re in their room, and one of them was using the pathfinder to check if they can reach their door but not the farmer

[uncut viper]

i remember this conversation halfly i just don't remember what the desired end result was

[gentle rose]

also yes, there was a version at some point that was going to make them get up but changing schedules on the spot seems too cursed even for me

[uncut viper]

did you want them to come out of their room

[gentle rose]

I mean we initially just want to check if they’re even in their room. If they are, either they would get up and go to the door or there would be some kind of dialogue from where they are and an option to leave a gift

[uncut viper]

then yeah, BETAS can do that

it can't make them walk, but it can move them

[velvet narwhal]

[uncut viper]

and it can open a dialogue box now

[gentle rose]

betas can do the pathfinding thing?

[velvet narwhal]

it can force warp

[uncut viper]

it can warp them

[gentle rose]

no I mean the part where it checks if they’re in their room using the pathfinder haha

[velvet narwhal]

so i mean ig you could do a quick fade to black and they're in front of the door maybe

[gentle rose]

this part

[rancid temple]

Spoopy

[uncut viper]

No, it just checks if they're in an area you specify

[slim gorge]

I mean, I have thousands of lines of inspiration for you.

[uncut viper]

You would define a point to check around

a tile coordinate

[gentle rose]

see I already have plenty of ideas for harmony crimes, but the promising part here is that theoretically they would be blamed on Buttons in logs /lh

[uncut viper]

there's an absolutely silly chain of actions here I can imagine using if you'd like to indulge me in it but it'd need to wait till I could get back to my desk in a few minutes

[velvet narwhal]

is it time for the #1275188689152114708

[gentle rose]

yeah that was another option, to hard code the locations of the rooms for each npc, but I thought the pathfinding method was both more universal and more cursed

[uncut viper]

they get patched under a different harmony id

[velvet narwhal]

button outs you for your crimes

[slim gorge]

That's because SM uses a variant of xBRZ, as does ACNH.

SM's is better.

[gentle rose]

nooooooo

so betas can move an npc… does the farmer count?

[slim gorge]

I'd just patch SMAPI so that everything would always be blamed on them.

[gentle rose]

can betas harmony patch itself

[teal bridge]

Probably splitting hairs, but I think it's less of any intentional "pretending to be pixelated" as it is simply doing the best it can with low-res tilesheets and sprites, absent any fancy upscaling system like the one you made. Most any top-down PC game using 16x16 sprites is going to look similar.

There's occasional silliness like the menu tiles being physically 64x64 but actually just pre-upscaled from 16x16 using nearest neighbor, but those are exception to the rule.

[slim gorge]

I'm not sure what "betas" is in this context

[faint ingot]

looking for some guidance on what should be a simple event task but is proving troublesome. I need to add a sprite from bigcraftables (or from a custom image), and later remove it, without affecting other sprites. If I use addBigProp, it doesn't get removed with removeSprite or removeObject. If I use removeTemporarySprites, it clears everything, but then manually adding back the sprite I need brings back the one I removed on purpose. (??)

[slim gorge]

SM patches the .NET runtime :/

Or at least it used to

[gentle rose]

BETAS = button’s mod that we’re talking about, that lets you do harmony patches using cp

[lucid iron]

BETAS is a mod (button's extra trigger actions stuff) that has funny content pack harmony patching support

[uncut viper]

alright, im back at my desk

[slim gorge]

I'm aware, my complaint is against the neo-pixelated style in general.

[uncut viper]

BETAS can harmony patch anything that harmony itself doesnt explicitly bar you from patching

[slim gorge]

It's very unlike actual pixel art from, say, the SNES.

[teal bridge]

Yeah, I get it. I just think of it less like an intentional style and more like an artifact of 16x16 being way easier for artists to work with than 32x32 or 48x48. You just don't see a lot of pixel art at those higher resolutions.

[slim gorge]

I'm not sure what that means in context.

Harmony can already do that, since it is Harmony.

[uncut viper]

correct

BETAS provides this functionality to Content Packs

[slim gorge]

Ah.

I'm woefully unfamiliar with how content packs work.

[uncut viper]

and i was saying it does not place any limitations on it, including preventing you from patching BETAS itself

[teal bridge]

(I will refrain from analogies at this point.)

[lucid iron]

what would happen if i try to patch like, the method that emit the IL

[slim gorge]

It's... not the level I operate at.

[lucid iron]

does it go explod or is it fine and merely useless

[uncut viper]

since iirc none of the core functions there return value types you can alter, i dont think you can actually do anything. at most, you can fire a trigger, but it'll be before game launched, so its useless

(or well not fire a trigger, it IS the trigger, you'd try to run an action)

[slim gorge]

I already heavily patch SMAPI and mess with .NET object structure and function signature flags directly.

Add that.

[teal bridge]

I don't think you're the target audience.

[slim gorge]

But I want them to add it anyways.

[rancid temple]

Unless you prefer working in json

[slim gorge]

I want to see people use it.

[gentle rose]

I mean, I think it probably can already patch SMAPI

[lucid iron]

its less about "can patch" and more about "well i guess im doing it"

[velvet narwhal]

i have yet to make a betas-harmony because i've just not bothered, but i assume i can cause a Hell Of A Mess™️

[gentle rose]

I wonder what the most cursed things are to patch from a content pack. The asset loading functions would probably be a good one

[slim gorge]

But does it allow direct manipulation of the VM's object headers?

[lucid iron]

i havent done it yet cus i actually make a fair amount of effort towards having less or no harmony

[slim gorge]

It should

[gentle rose]

imagine getting a lightning strike every time an asset is loaded/rendered

[slim gorge]

I'm never the target audience :(

[gentle rose]

well that’s no fun! /lh

[lucid iron]

i think you are the star of the show and your work is very cool

[teal bridge]

It's not as though an alternative and more limited and constrained path to Harmony patching is somehow going to allow people to do things more dangerous than Harmony itself. What I joked about, at the time, was rather the opposite, that it would allow far more dangerous people (that is, modders with no knowledge of IL or even C#) to do things that are relatively less dangerous but far higher in quantity.

[gentle rose]

or it would allow me to just sow confusion in other modders

which I consider a win

[teal bridge]

Of course, I don't think it's happened that way. Instead, the content patch authors don't know it exists.

(which might be for the best, per above)

[lucid iron]

its always a kind of

[slim gorge]

You misunderstand - I want them to make it more dangerous and easily-accessible. I'm who Alfred's talking about.

[velvet narwhal]

i do not advertise it because if you know what harmony is, you probably already know how to do it

[lucid iron]

if you knew enough to be dangerous with button-harmony

u would probably prefer to use normal-harmony

[uncut viper]

disclaimer: this assumes you're fine with hardcoding positions of NPC rooms and relevant doors

1. MenuChanged trigger. check that the menu is DialogueBox (the msg when you try to open a door and fail). use PLAYER_NEAR_AREA to check if the player is in front of the NPC's door. check their friendship level. use NPC_NEAR_AREA to check if the NPC is within range of whatever point you want in their room. if all these checks pass, proceed to step 2
2. Use the WriteModData action to write the NPC's current coordinates to the player's mod data using the [CharacterCoordinate] tokenizable string.
3. Warp the farmer one tile away from the door using the WarpFarmer action (optionally you can move the Farmer relative to themselves e.g. one unit downward instead of an absolute unit)
4. The farmer warp will cause a Fade To Black by itself naturally, so also do a DelayedAction action to time a WarpNpc to warp that NPC in front of the farmer while the screen is faded. optionally, warp them relative to the farmer e.g. one unit above the farmer instead of an absolute unit
5. DialogueBox action to open a fake dialogue box with that NPC to have them say whatever you want them to say. in this dialogue, include another action to manually FadeToBlack once the dialogue is over
6. also, make sure you do a DelayedAction at the same time to warp the NPC back into their room while the farmer is still faded. you can read the previous coordinate from mod data using the [PlayerModData] tokenizable string
7. the farmer unfades, the NPC is back in their room and you have talked to them

[lucid iron]

rube goldberg modding...

[uncut viper]

(optional step 0.5: check for MenuChanged to track when the dialogue opens, and again to track when the player closes it, with another DelayedAction so its not so jarring immediately after closing it)

[velvet narwhal]

i forgot about menuchanged

[gentle rose]

imagine opening a content pack dialogue mod and finding out that instead of adding dialogue the sane way, every single line is patched in via a BETAS prefix for the dialogue method that has conditions for exactly when to trigger the line

[uncut viper]

its new!

[slim gorge]

I am, as always, concerned about malicious mods, but anyone with Harmony can be so.

[teal bridge]

MenuChanged is new? I'm sure I was using it back in July...

[velvet narwhal]

it's not inherently malicious

.q 6279

[patent lance]

#6279

(One of the benefits of content packs is that they're generally stable and rarely break in game updates.
Button: "Let's fix that!")

• @ivory plume (Jump)

20 Dec 2024 @ 09:29:19 PM UTC

[slim gorge]

Didn't say it was.

[uncut viper]

its newly a Trigger in BETAS

[slim gorge]

I'm concerned about the potential, but it's always there.

[teal bridge]

Ah, right.

[uncut viper]

truthfully its probably more difficult for someone to be malicious with BETAS harmony patching than it would be to just spin up an actual C# mod with direct access to harmony

on account of figuring out how the fuck you're supposed to write the json in the first place

no other reason /j

[slim gorge]

People have - in the past - patched things in SM to try to fix things, only to break it... requiring me to patch their mod so it would stop patching SM. Not intentionally malicious.

[gentle rose]

buttons you never answered if your warpnpc action can warp the farmer too. I want a speed mod that works by harmony patching the methods for moving the farmer and warping the farmer an additional distance in that direction every single time they’re triggered

[teal bridge]

You're thinking like a real developer again... remember the stakes for game mods, in order for something to do any real harm, a user has to actively seek it out and install it.
(Which they absolutely will, c.f. More Lag, but that's their problem.)

[velvet narwhal]

sorry forgor, right next to the warpnpc is warp farmer

[uncut viper]

theres a separate action for warping the Farmer! i wrote it in my step by step guide up there

[gentle rose]

amazing

introducing my new mod: If You Really Loved Abigail You Would Download This Virus

[uncut viper]

you can also patch the warping method with BETAS so that you warp a few steps to the right after every warp

disclaimer: im not responsible for any infinite loops

[slim gorge]

Well, as I've said in the past, there have been popular modders in the past hostile enough towards SM (and/or me) where I wouldnt have necessarily put surreptitiously patching/breaking SM past them.

[inland cedar]

how to get the list of Items from Expanded Storage chest? somehow obj.Items.Count always 0

[slim gorge]

That's actually why I never added direct APIs.

[teal bridge]

Yeah, and in a major software company this would be a security risk, competitive risk, etc. In game mods it's just... an extra bullet point on the "NOT COMPATIBLE WITH" line.

[gentle rose]

wait I can use betas to make it so that every time the player talks to a specific npc a Womp Womp sound is played

[teal bridge]

Oh, SM is broken because you installed ABC? Well, I warned you ABC wasn't compatible, so whaddaya.

[slim gorge]

Problem is that I refuse to allow SM to have incompatibilities.

[teal bridge]

Well, that cuts more to the heart of the issue, I'd say...

[slim gorge]

I've tried to be as thorough as possible in avoiding them. I care about user experience.

[lucid iron]

hm if i want to netsync a C# random

can i just sync some seed and make the random separately

[teal bridge]

I think there are degrees of caring about user experience. I'd probably call myself an 8.5, whereas you are going for the full 10.

It's admirable, if a bit quixotic, given the number of mods out there.

[slim gorge]

Given the compatibility that I achieved (up until 1.6), I largely had accomplished it.

[lucid iron]

which kind of compat are u hoping for anyways, i kinda doubt many other mods r touching the stuff SM do for catastrophic incompat

[teal bridge]

Atra apparently managed to burn himself out from compat headaches. Seeing that, I decided to adopt a looser, "best effort" position.

[uncut viper]

(for the record i also think this is for the best. the BETAS harmony stuff always was and forever will be just a little side project thing i did for fun and learning purposes, and not because i expected actual use. a pet project within my pet project)

[slim gorge]

I can only think of a tiny handful of mods that were partially incompatible - mostly due to render target usage.

[lucid iron]

just chance for stuff looking bad in some scaling algo

[teal bridge]

Errr... what's this about render targets? I haven't noticed any incompatibilities with CG, but I use quite a few of them...

[velvet narwhal]

and then i just continue to bother you with my chaotic npc wants

[slim gorge]

They were using them to generate composite textures, and then copying them.

The issue with render targets is that SM doesn't know if it should resample the sprites being drawn into the target (and resizing the target - complicated), or if it should resize the result.

Certainly want to avoid the latter if the RTT is being updated every frame...

[gentle rose]

so… when are we getting betas transpilers? /lh

[teal bridge]

Yes, I suppose it's hard to guess.

This is something that could definitely happen. For example, a render target gets created due to a rotated surface that is also clipped. Then, that target is subsequently scaled in a higher-level transform.

[slim gorge]

Presently, it doesn't draw resampled unless it's being drawn into the main target, IIRC

I have to look

[uncut viper]

ive thought about it. if i knew a better ("better") way to do it than just asking for one match target (so a list of opcodes) and one insertion list then id maybe try it, if i had time

[teal bridge]

Or even a low-opacity region being drawn at non-unity scale (or even non-uniform scale).

[gentle rose]

ngl I’ve yet to try transpilers

[uncut viper]

thats a niche of niches, though, since i dont know how else id do it besides just asking for opcodes

so good luck getting someone whos comfortable reading and writing IL but using BETAS harmony

i wouldnt even mess with that for fun

[slim gorge]

SM can resample the RTT resolved texture itself. That might not be optimal, though.

[uncut viper]

that said i recommend trying transpilers

[velvet narwhal]

so this side project--

[slim gorge]

It's just texture object after all.

It is hard for it to know when to invalidate it, though.

[uncut viper]

(this is also my last free week so my free time for silly projects like that is about to crater again anyway)

[teal bridge]

Well, "not optimal" is better than "broken". Users probably shouldn't expect that scaling up UI would have zero artifacts (otherwise they should use layout rather than transforms).

[velvet narwhal]

it's a /fulljoke because it is 💯 easier to write this transpiler on my own than it would be trying to turn my brain into a balloon animal for BETAS

[slim gorge]

SM can't easily detect presently if you update the target.

[teal bridge]

If the net result is that the artifacts might be different artifacts than what might ordinarily be expected, that's probably alright.

[slim gorge]

And it certainly cannot detect regional invalidations.

[rigid oriole]

i've acquired new transpiler power

[teal bridge]

Yeeeaah, I noticed that too with a generated Texture2D object, sometimes after calling SetData CG just... ignores it.

[uncut viper]

what did you transpile for that

[teal bridge]

Not a render target in that case, but same issue I believe.

[rigid oriole]

NPC::tryToReceiveActiveObject (i want mermaid pendant-esque behavior)

[slim gorge]

Well, SetData will invalidate it.

If it doesn't, that's a bug.

[teal bridge]

It's definitely a bug.

[uncut viper]

(thank you for transpiling it instead of prefixing it like the polyamory mods)

[slim gorge]

Why are you using SetData with an RTT?

[teal bridge]

I'm not - different issue.

[slim gorge]

Ah.

[teal bridge]

And not using SetData at all after I discovered the bug, I just found a different solution.

Well, not using it more than once.

[slim gorge]

When you said "generated", I was confused.

If you want, add a bug report with details to the github repo

[teal bridge]

But render targets are definitely used in StardewUI for certain drawing effects including opacity and various combinations of transforms.

[calm nebula]

Wait, why does prefixing it affect you?

[teal bridge]

And typically the way that works is that UI is drawn onto a render target and the render targets is then drawn as a texture onto a larger render target or onto the main surface.

[slim gorge]

Are the render targets re-drawn later, or just once and used - resolved - thereafter?

[uncut viper]

am i not allowed to just independently appreciate a transpiler instead of a skipping prefix?

[teal bridge]

Yes, redrawn.

[slim gorge]

You answered before I hit send :/

[calm nebula]

Skipping prefix when it's item specific seems fine to me?

[teal bridge]

Only redrawn once per target per frame, if that's what you mean.

[calm nebula]

Tbh I'm not a huge fan of transpiling switch cases

Sure. I can do it

[slim gorge]

Why are you compositing recursively like that?

[uncut viper]

sure, unless someone like me is adding triggers that need to run after certain functions within it

[slim gorge]

That seems odd

[calm nebula]

But the compiler can do wildly different IL

[teal bridge]

Because XNA has some severe limitations in its graphics APIs.

[calm nebula]

Ah. But what about specific non vanilla actions

[teal bridge]

If you have a better way to implement CSS opacity in XNA/MonoGame, I'd love to hear it. The blend modes just don't support it.

[uncut viper]

notably, skipping prefixes on tryToReceiveActiveObject break my RelationshipChanged trigger

[velvet narwhal]

(NPC.checkAction too, wasn't it?)

[uncut viper]

it was checkAction for my NpcKissed one yeah

[teal bridge]

And XNA's ScissorRectangle uses global screen coordinates, so you have to use a render target if it's a rotated surface.

[calm nebula]

AtraCore SetRelationship event command would break it too huh

[uncut viper]

probably

[wispy gale]

okay so i tried patch summary, and i could be reading this wrong, but i don't see much specific info about my mod? it seems primarily about where i'm at re: stats and such in the game...can anyone help with what i'm missing? https://smapi.io/log/5ce92df10af94717a1c7e0323af2bff9

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.10 with SDV 1.6.14 build 24317 on Microsoft Windows 11 Home, with 38 C# mods and 42 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[calm nebula]

(Ignoring the fact that atracore doesn't exist)

[velvet narwhal]

i have yet to check against spacecore's relationship change as well

[uncut viper]

that one is at least not very avoidable i think though

[velvet narwhal]

but i also feel like i don't use relationshipchanged all that often

[teal bridge]

(If your question was very specifically "yeah but why recursive" it's because, well, UI is recursive. It's a tree.)

[calm nebula]

https://github.com/atravita-mods/StardewMods/blob/34f5e2013f95aba2c980c9dcf6ef44f0f96654be/AtraCore/Framework/EventCommands/RelationshipCommands/SetRelationship.cs#L74

[uncut viper]

i could technically stick a watcher on the field changed event for the friendship data but in doing so i'd not be able to send any of the other data i want to send with that trigger, which is why i dont do that and instead just transpile everywhere the game otherwise would do the changing

[slim gorge]

the issue with the RTT there would be - unless I fixed it and don't remember - SM doesn't know when the data in a render target texture has changed. It knows when you draw with it (and thus it needs the data, but it also cannot use async fetch methods with render targets - it forces synchronization), but it needs to know when it changes. I may have made it so if it sees it being set as the current render target, it invalidates it.

which is pretty brute-force, but workable.

the fact that it forces synchronization sucks, though.

[calm nebula]

Other data?

[teal bridge]

I haven't noticed any staleness issues in render targets. (And they do persist across frames.)

I do use GraphicsDevice.Clear on the render targets at the beginning of each frame, maybe it understands that?

[slim gorge]

you could always emulate ScissorRectangle in the pixel shader with discard :P

that's probably actually faster than recursive composition

[serene tapir]

It doesn't look like it's showing any info about your patches. Are you using your exact unique id via your manifest?

Can you go to the smapi website and validate all your files for me? https://smapi.io/json

[teal bridge]

It's also not solving the same problem.

[slim gorge]

If I made it recognize when you set the target as an invalidation point, then it would, since you have to set the target first.

[calm nebula]

If you're talking about say

[slim gorge]

still not ideal, but it'd need more context (or the driver's understanding) to do much better.

[calm nebula]

The name of the NPC

You could use captures for that

[uncut viper]

i dont think i know what captures are

[teal bridge]

I don't know if it's anything you need to worry a lot about, unless CG made a lot of changes from SM that aren't going to get upstreamed.

[slim gorge]

I might be able to do something with occlusion queries to figure out regions?

CG made no fundamental algorithm changes as far as I know.

[calm nebula]

A thing you can do with local functions that grabs the value of a local and saves it basically

[uncut viper]

(but also yeah i had it a bit backwards its not "any of the other data" its "one bit of data (the name) but that data is important")

[slim gorge]

It's disabled a few things which need to be on, but otherwise it's basically the same

[calm nebula]

I figured it was the name

[uncut viper]

i also would need to add a watcher on every single friendship object manually, wouldnt i?

[calm nebula]

At some point I'll do a proof of concept, etc

Yup.

[slim gorge]

and it added localization (why anyone would ever be using something other than Inland Great Lakes North American English is beyond me)... but heinously uses JSON files instead of TOML.

[calm nebula]

Still, netevent watchers are pretty easy to do. Will you accept PR?

(You know. In four months.)

[uncut viper]

i would accept a PR from you

as long as you promise not to get mad at me for still not doing the uhh.... Targets... whatever. thing

in the csproj

[tiny zealot]

button i also have a skipping prefix on tryToReceiveActiveObject and a relationship-changing event command ._.

but my prefix skips when i want to avoid changing the relationship status

[slim gorge]

I prefer to avoid synchronization points when I can. Render targets are just special in that I cannot as easily make the GetData calls on them (which are required for them) deferred. The render target might change! I can use the invalidation point as an indicator that any pending tasks for that texture object must be completed at that time, I suppose.

[uncut viper]

i didnt want to come across like was judging anyone or mad at anyone that did a skipping prefix there!! i just wanted to appreciate Barley for going the extra mile to transpile it!

[teal bridge]

Here's a silly example. Let's put aside the question of why you'd want a 30° rotated UI, since it's a framework we're talking about. This needs a render target for the scroll region, it's simply not possible to do with scissor rectangles, and even if I were comfortable with patching the pixel shader, I'm pretty sure it would be a one-off solution and very difficult to adapt to a general-purpose framework.

[calm nebula]

I legitimately think the netevent is more compat because you'll get any relationship change, regardless of questionable event command

Or, you know, trigger action

[tiny zealot]

oh, i understand. i just want you to know that i probably also break your stuff

[slim gorge]

Is that rotated in the target, or is it being rotated during the draw?

[uncut viper]

ive no doubt it would be more compatible if i knew how to do it. the issue is that i dont know how to do it

[calm nebula]

Trust me if I wrote setrelationship after triggeractions existed I would do that

[drowsy pewter]

This upsets me

[velvet narwhal]

i want it to spin

[teal bridge]

It is drawn to a render target in order to do the scissor-rectangling, and then the target is drawn rotated on the parent surface (in this case the main game).

[slim gorge]

the smoothing pattern suggests that the target itself is rotated...

[teal bridge]

The other way around wouldn't work; it's the render target that provides the clipping.

[rotund elm]

side note full 30* rotation of all UIs for april fools would be great

[drowsy pewter]

I can't even go to sleep anymore after seeing that.

[rigid oriole]

Do you add more relationships types (engaged, married, etc.) than exist in vanilla? If so, can I ask how you implemented it? (trying not to step on toes)

[teal bridge]

lol, that seems dramatic.

[slim gorge]

you don't need to patch the pixel shader, mind you. You're drawing a shape that you own. You can bind whatever pixel shader you want.

[teal bridge]

If you prefer, I could have it rotate constantly as you scroll.

[slim gorge]

I don't for exactly those compatibility reasons.

[tiny zealot]

no, my command is not flexible at all and only works in the specific way i need it (sets Dating)

[slim gorge]

since it's rotated that way, that's why it isn't maintaining the smoothness of verticals

from SM's perspective, it's a very large, weird sprite.

[rancid temple]

It could be worse, what if it was only like 3 degrees off?

[rotund elm]

The fact I cant link to text on this specific word on my mod page might make me lose it lol

[velvet narwhal]

one degree of separation for everything, even the farmer sprite

[rancid temple]

Just enough that you can notice it, but not enough to be 100% sure it's actually crooked

[rotund elm]

That would be just rude LOL

[rancid temple]

All New Gaslight Mod, coming 2025

[velvet narwhal]

now THAT'S what i call intentionally malicious

[teal bridge]

Isn't that just going to override SM/CG then? Or it runs a shader on top of the shader?

[rotund elm]

Please I'll put it in my friends mod lists and say nothing LOL

[rancid temple]

Call it: Even Less Lag

[velvet narwhal]

i had a cursed idea

[slim gorge]

SM doesn't have any shaders.

[rotund elm]

enlighten me

[velvet narwhal]

can i patch out rain entirely with BETAS and then use ATA to make false rain across all maps

[slim gorge]

I've opted not to use shaders for a few reasons, the biggest being compatibility.

[calm nebula]

What's ata

[velvet narwhal]

arbitrary tilesheet access

button's other crime mod

[calm nebula]

Oh

[slim gorge]

AT Attachment, the way hard drives are connected

[gentle rose]

when are you publishing this? I want it /lh

[velvet narwhal]

i was considering setting the rain animation on alwaysfront

because i found out i can grab any tilesheet i damned well pleased and make an animation

[uncut viper]

you like... could. but. itd be hard to make a seamless animation that covered the whole map i think

[slim gorge]

I mean....

[uncut viper]

since when one rain drop exited one tile it'd have to seamlessly move to the next tile

[rancid temple]

Could you load your own tilesheet with a 1000x1000 rain animation?

[tiny zealot]

i did a reshade-like mod that runs shaders on the whole game, but it runs them in a separate step after the render completes so it doesn't stomp on anyone else's (as far as i know)

[uncut viper]

doesnt each tile on the tilesheet need to be individually animated?

[velvet narwhal]

yes

[rancid temple]

It wouldn't be easy

[slim gorge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bKwR-5MBzE

[velvet narwhal]

it wouldn't be fun

[rancid temple]

Or fun

[velvet narwhal]

but i'd definitely call it "No More Rain Lag"

[slim gorge]

SM heavily patches precipitation overall - rain should be faster on it as well :|

[uncut viper]

does this use Tiled tilesheet animations tho

[slim gorge]

no.

but it does heavily patch precipitation in general.

[uncut viper]

cuz thats what Jam meant

[rancid temple]

In the same spirit as No More Lag, I'm pretty sure it would actually be laggier

[slim gorge]

since how it draws is pretty bad.

[teal bridge]

Ask and ye shall receive.

[velvet narwhal]

i'm so fucking happy rn

[rotund elm]

STOP NOW XD

please I need this asap

[gentle rose]

I personally think the angle should be determined by scroll %

[velvet narwhal]

"No Officer, I'm Not Drunking I'm Driving." mod title

[rotund elm]

Lol

[tiny zealot]

actually if you did a gentle sine wave of like -2 to +2 and back i think i would genuinely love it

[slim gorge]

I'm unsure what 'No More Lag' is/does, particularly

[tiny zealot]

"No, More Lag!"

[teal bridge]

You and everyone else here.

[rancid temple]

It tries to preload stuff and breaks things

[gentle rose]

gently rocking you to sleep

[uncut viper]

it literally caused more lag

[slim gorge]

for SM, I explicitly created entirely new draw routines so I could draw all of the precipitation in a single draw call...

or as few as possible, at least.

[rotund elm]

just what the user wants : D

[tiny zealot]

and sometimes crashed content patcher

[calm nebula]

Oh my god

Oh my god...

Why are we doing this

[uncut viper]

(tbh i was thinking the same as ichor)

[calm nebula]

Why are we doing any of this

[velvet narwhal]

didn't pillow make that already

[gentle rose]

from my understanding, no more lag is incompatible with common sense

[rotund elm]

I feel like this is the #making-mods-general version of internet brainrot XD

[uncut viper]

a little bit of rocking back and forth, with very subtle scaling bigger and smaller a lil bit

[gentle rose]

be modder do crime

[calm nebula]

I don't like it when menus bob around

[teal bridge]

Right now it's only got transitions, looping animations coming in 0.6.

[calm nebula]

Why.

[slim gorge]

I mean, if you want, I can add API calls for SM so you can use its precipitation system

then you can make whatever fancy rain you want to

[gentle rose]

I have never seen atra (or anyone here) hate an idea this viscerally

[velvet narwhal]

you must not be around when i'm making c# mods then

[tiny zealot]

... have you seen atra complain about the pathfinder

[teal bridge]

Honestly, I was only doing it to illustrate the rationale to Ameise. I don't have an actual mod UI that does that.

[slim gorge]

which is shocking as I've done some terrible things.

[velvet narwhal]

atra hates everything i make

[gentle rose]

I want to be you when I grow up

[gentle rose]

atra I still want to see your knitting patterns

[royal stump]

(someone I know gets motion sickness really intensely from animations like that, so I get it )

[calm nebula]

A dirty secret of mine is that I can barely even look at some 3d games

[teal bridge]

Anyway, if there's some fancier way to do it with a custom pixel shader that plays nice with XNA's matrix transforms and won't break compatibility in other places, then I can't say I know what it is.

[calm nebula]

Like, if someone else is playing a first person game on the TV I leave the room

[royal stump]

I found out when we tried to play a mario kart together and, uh, it was brief

[wispy gale]

yes surely, here it is in my manifest - https://smapi.io/json/none/745f9cee8de948be83feae44233ed683 content - https://smapi.io/json/none/a9886ff731bc4156824aa32a6f90fc7f default- https://smapi.io/json/none/5c5e874e9c16456985ce0ffe3c6f7de6 RKAB_Seb_Dialogue - https://smapi.io/json/none/27cebdf99e77471d891b6ae408deb85c RKAB_Seb_MarriageDialogue - https://smapi.io/json/none/2e6e79c5aa82423888f96fd3b2d25f7d

[gentle rose]

SAME I’ve tried to play portal multiple times and I just can’t 😭

[calm nebula]

Portal is the worst offender

[royal stump]

that one indie precursor to portal gave me vertigo pretty reliably, though I'm otherwise usually fine

[gentle rose]

portal is a fun game but it’s just such an unpleasant experience bc of the nausea

[slim gorge]

old snow:

[teal bridge]

Popcorn snow?

[brittle pasture]

im sorry but im taking away your nerd card

[rancid temple]

Pre-yellowed

[gentle rose]

puffersnow

[slim gorge]

and before that:

[gentle rose]

where are the sprinklers from btw?

[slim gorge]

directional sprinklers, I think? This is from 2022,.

[teal bridge]

And that would be... cursorsnow.

[rancid temple]

There should be at least one up to date directional sprinkler mod currently

[calm nebula]

I'm fricking sorry do I need to show you my audible account

[slim gorge]

what bothers me is that nobody has made a Conway's Game of Life crop.

[rancid temple]

I think atra can still be a nerd and not a gamer

[calm nebula]

This is what I listen to at work

[lucid iron]

would that propagante once a day or every 10min

[slim gorge]

10 min

[royal stump]

despite having played with a game of life sim for hours, I always ignore mods that try to add them never feels worth it

[slim gorge]

(or, if you want to see my Unreal experiment with conway's game of life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlToKp3lAEc)

[gentle rose]

true nerds have already listened to it during the 1st edition atra, geez

[royal stump]

(mostly thinking of a specific minecraft one, though, lots of restrictions)

[calm nebula]

Life sim?

[slim gorge]

it's game of life on a cube.

[royal stump]

a Conway's Game of Life simulator, I mean

[slim gorge]

specifically done entirely using Unreal materials/blueprints, no custom shaders

[gentle rose]

((game of life) sim), not (game of (life sim)) I think

[slim gorge]

basically, doing it as hard as I can.

I mean, I also make life sims...

I'm fond of evolutionary bytecode

[royal stump]

ig for context, there's a popular minecraft mod that adds weird plants and reasons to grow them for power generation;
the endgame one grows in Conway patterns, but it's such a hassle and has lifespan limits etc, so everyone I knew ignored it

despite the dev nerfing other stuff as encouragement

[gentle rose]

my only real graphics-related project was using 2d desmos to display some 3d wireframes lmao

[calm nebula]

Look, Minecraft is Java blocks game to me

[uncut viper]

esca is vazkii posting

[slim gorge]

https://www.youtube.com/@digitalcarbide-ameise4979/videos - certainly isn't everything I've worked on, just what I've bothered to upload videos of.

[royal stump]

sorry if this is a known thing, I've never been to an actual MC forum

just dragged into friends' servers like 4 times

[uncut viper]

oh i have no idea how known to everyone else the conway flower is i just know what you're talking about

[calm nebula]

(As per usual, the atra grew up under a rock and now lives under a pile of wool.)

[gentle rose]

I’ve played like 10 minutes of minecraft in my life and it was on a tablet iirc so I, do not know what we’re talking about

I do know wool though piles of wool I understand

[slim gorge]

I ran a local server for my friends for a while

[gentle rose]

are you a Wool Nerd or a Game Nerd (the two genders of nerd)

[slim gorge]

I wish that Java wasn't terrible.

[calm nebula]

There can be plenty of nerd types