making-mods-general

[tender bloom]

I could be wrong though

I usually look in Trace

[uncut viper]

well, at least i remembered it was after 1.6

[tender bloom]

It will tell you in Trace why it’s mad

But usually that’s like removing the bottom piece in Jenga

It’s only the first problem visible

You fix that, and it hits the next problem

Etc all the way up

[lucid mulch]

the behaviour prior to TargetLocale was to just always edit everything. It was added to fix some of the weird issues the Thai translation mod has iirc

[tender bloom]

At least when you’re doing major updates

Minor updates often it’s just the one issue you can find in Trace

[vernal crest]

That sounds familiar

[tender bloom]

But shovel is complex enough I expect it to be a bit of time unraveling which bits don’t work and why

[velvet narwhal]

nope i'm not gonna use my swiss cheese memory to remember what atra said the issue was

honestly replacedelimited acts very very strange with the string model, and there isn't really a way to change the dialogue across the board unless you yourself do it, i would just ultimately suggest the editdata on the same Data/Events/Location with the same exact key/conditions, as well as the same script up until you have the changed dialogue handover

[rancid temple]

ReplaceDelimited makes sense when you're trying to edit a string with logical delimiters

[devout otter]

            "LogName": "Marcello Event",
            "Action": "EditData",
            "Target": "Data/Events/Railroad",
            "Fields": {
                "528052/f Harvey 2500/t 900 1700/n harveyBalloon": {
                    23: "speak Marcello \"{{i18n:Event.Marcello.01}}\"",
                    48: "speak Marcello \"{{i18n:Event.Marcello.02}}\"",
                    51: "speak Marcello \"{{i18n:Event.Marcello.03}}\""
                }
            ```

[rancid temple]

Rather than some nonsense like the Warp field on a map

/still bitter

[velvet narwhal]

tbh i wouldn't suggest replacedelimited for a newbie though because i still don't parse it properly

[lucid mulch]

the compat list is evaluated at the same time as reading the manifest.json's, while the reference doesn' exist stuff is afterwards when its trying to load that specific mod, and is done at the same time as rewriters.

[velvet narwhal]

dolphin's example of using the fields means that the 23rd "index" aka 0/1/2/3/4/5/6 in the event script, holds the dialogue that is going to be changed

[uncut viper]

it just looks for a string and replaces it with what you want. if its a delimited string like events are delimited with slashes, it checks each thing between slashes

[gentle rose]

anyway, it's nearly 8am and I haven't slept so... night guys (and merry christmas to those of you who celebrate!)

[devout otter]

The patch I put up there specifically only replaces these three fields.

[uncut viper]

which will work, unless someone adds more fields between some of those things

[rancid temple]

Or in front

[uncut viper]

which is what ReplaceDelimited is meant to solve

[devout otter]

It would have better compatibility with other mods that alter the event, and various languages also. Wouldn't be compatible with mods that radically changes the event, but that wouldn't be compatible anyway.

[uncut viper]

the languages thing ill admit ReplaceDelimited does not solve, tho you could do that with TargetLocale

[versed wyvern]

So the gist of it is that I would use ReplaceDelimited to search for each movement instruction and replace it with the same movement instruction but for my fake NPC?

[uncut viper]

what Dolphin suggests and what ReplaceDelimited does are two different methods, you can take your pick

[devout otter]

Aaa yeah, replace delimited, huh. My case doesn't work well with that because what I replace is the dialogue (thus different in every language). But if you are replacing exact movement, replacedelimited might be the better choice...

[uncut viper]

with Dolphin's method you would pick each specific field by its number in the event after splitting it by slashes, and replace them all individually

this is the easy way and works across all languages but will break if someone adds another command somewhere in the event

ReplaceDelimited can search and replace every instance of a movement command (so long as it is written the same way every time) with your new movement command, but it wont work across all languages automatically

but i dont think the movement commands would be exactly the same anyway since they need coordinates dont they. or like. numbers

[velvet narwhal]

they wouldn't be, no

[devout otter]

Yeah, you'd need to patch them one by one.

[velvet narwhal]

dolphin's route would probably be the best option

[uncut viper]

what you could do is instead ReplaceDelimited but

instead of using / as the delimiter, use a space

and replace every instance of "Penny"

this very much depends on whether the event uses that name for something important that you dont want to change, though, but idk enough about events to know if thats likely

[velvet narwhal]

it'd change the speak to the falsePenny

[versed wyvern]

I think that would also override Penny speaking, yeah

[velvet narwhal]

so you'd have to load the portraits to the falsePenny

[uncut viper]

not the worst workaround tbh

[velvet narwhal]

which would break the ~aesthetic~ mods

[uncut viper]

okay its actually a pretty bad workaround

i forget people use portrait mods

[velvet narwhal]

though you're already breaking the aesthetic mods with a different sprite

[versed wyvern]

Yeah but that's much easier to ignore since she's up to her eyeballs in the water anyway

[uncut viper]

its not the sprite, its the dialogue box innit

[velvet narwhal]

true, it'd only be jarring to people with like, furry villagers or something

i assumed it was a sprite change since they're using sprites in detail?

[uncut viper]

i dont think portrait mods usually change the sprites tho so it'd still be pretty jarring for people

[versed wyvern]

Mucking with the event and dialogue only became necessary because the sprite doesn't display right when swimming

[uncut viper]

okay wait, idea

replace every instance of "Penny" with "FakePenny"

and then do ANOTHER text operation

replace every "/speak FakePenny" with "/speak Penny"

is that doable

[versed wyvern]

[uncut viper]

i dont actually know if thats doable

[devout otter]

Only one way to find out.

[uncut viper]

now that i think abouty it

because what would you put as the delimiter

[velvet narwhal]

cp does work in a top down order... so maybe...

tbh at this point i'd just stick with dolphin's field edits

[uncut viper]

ReplaceDelimited doesn't work on substrings, so you'd need to match on /speak FakePenny "And including the dialogue"

[velvet narwhal]

23: "move fakePenny x y"
whatever have you

[brave fable]

tbh at this point i'd submit a bug report on Sprites in Detail and then go to bed

permanently

[versed wyvern]

BleakCodex hasn't been seen in almost two years

[velvet narwhal]

i'm not quite sure what the original reason for using sprites in detail was

did you do it for all villagers or something?

[versed wyvern]

I'm planning to get to everyone eventually but it's an NPC visual overhaul ye

[velvet narwhal]

as resident "why the hell did you use sprites in detail" -chue 2024, i would've suggested something else, like scaleup2 or something

but i don't know if it has the same exact issue

[versed wyvern]

Well it turns out Scale Up 2 is completely broken when sprites move

[velvet narwhal]

oh, well shite in my boots

[uncut viper]

i thought plenty of people used SU2?

[velvet narwhal]

spacecore? spacecore would be painful though

[versed wyvern]

Spacecore also currently has a bug, I think I have pictures of both

[velvet narwhal]

afaik you needed to do fromarea toarea on each individual spriteindex for sprites, which is why i said it'd be painful

[uncut viper]

in any case though, the ReplaceDelimited way is technically still an option for maximum compatibility, but it is also just a bunch more work, so, there is that

maybe just set your edits with Dolphin's method to Low or something. or Early or whatever it is

bc its more likely that someone is gonna replace the entire event if they do change it significantly

and having yours be overwritten will at least make it not completely break, Penny will just be missing

[versed wyvern]

So SU2's problem is that only the left-most sprite of each row seems to work, it pulls from the wrong row for every other animation, for example Haley here is using the "walk north" sprite when she's supposed to be walking right

My hunch is that because the testing NPC for SU2 was Krobus who doesn't move no one ever noticed the animations were borked

[uncut viper]

her hair is giving such jellyfish

[versed wyvern]

Spacecore's new TextureOverride and SourceSizeOverride for higher res sprites seems to work on portraits but sprites specifically don't get squeezed into their normal bounding box for some reason

[velvet narwhal]

oh you're the shirt hairclip fashion accessory image okay

[versed wyvern]

Ye that's me

[uncut viper]

oh this is fun

[versed wyvern]

Thus that leaves me in the precarious situation where the only working mod for higher res sprites hasn't been updated in two years

[velvet narwhal]

i mean as someone who has a fully functioning npc that uses SiD (that i know of), it works in cutscenes not regarding swimming

[versed wyvern]

Yeah it's probably something to do with the draw code for swimming

Like maybe it's looking for a sourcerect that's now blank or something

[velvet narwhal]

hmmmmmm

actually no nevermind, the .dll made for my mod probably doesn't interact with draw in events

i can dig into it

[versed wyvern]

To my knowledge this is the only time where an NPC swims so it's not too big a problem imo

But someday this house of cards might just all come tumbling down

[velvet narwhal]

uh, vanilla, i think you're correct, date night redux has a swimming event i think?

nope, the .dll for mothman only targets the mugshot/calendar part, and i have no idea what draw is being used for a swim

[versed wyvern]

Oh so you may have also seen that SiD behaves a bit oddly with mugshots

[velvet narwhal]

yeah @lucid iron fixed that for me, it's under a strict all rights reserved though since SiD has a questionable license

[versed wyvern]

Flat-out doesn't work with Map Locations

[velvet narwhal]

insert joke here about how you can benefit off of what i traded off by suggesting mothman as a requirement for the .dll

[versed wyvern]

I can live with the mugshots, they're just, kinda beeg

The only way to fix compatibility with NPC Map Locations would be to change that though, I think, which is WAY out of my skill range right now

[velvet narwhal]

yeah as chue said, "i had to fight stupid mafs with even stupider mafs"

[rancid temple]

I don't even know how to find HD sprites to test SU2

Really wish Nexus search wasn't so awful

[velvet narwhal]

do you want the mothman sprites? i can send them over

[versed wyvern]

All I know is that a lot of mods using SU2 seem to have a lot of bug reports about the wrong sprites showing up

Which sounds in line with the broken animations I was seeing

[rancid temple]

Sure, what's Mothmans intended size? lmao

[velvet narwhal]

uhhhhhh

256x256 i think? i'll just send the .png

[uncut viper]

debug action Spiderbuttons.BETAS_PatchUpdate
[Content Patcher] Updated the Content Patcher context.
[game] Applied action 'Spiderbuttons.BETAS_PatchUpdate'.
[Console Commands] Sent debug command to the game, but there was no output.
debug action Spiderbuttons.BETAS_PatchUpdate Spiderbuttons.ButtonsExtraBooks
[Content Patcher] Updated the Content Patcher context.
[game] Applied action 'Spiderbuttons.BETAS_PatchUpdate Spiderbuttons.ButtonsExtraBooks'.
[Console Commands] Sent debug command to the game, but there was no output.

[versed wyvern]

I think I figured out the ReplaceDelimited

[brave fable]

i mean it would be very novel having Mothman NPC being a requirement for pretty much any mod

wonder how much we could pump up the download numbers by listing him as a req for love of cooking in the next update

[versed wyvern]

And it still works in foreign languages, that looks like mission accomplished

[brittle pasture]

why are we eating the mothman

[versed wyvern]

Thanks for the help everyone

[final arch]

@tender bloom if I see this right you can only move the farmhouse and the mailbox moves with it, right?

the wording in the wiki made me think you can move it individually but apparently not or Im doing smth wrong :p

[vernal crest]

I couldn't get the mailbox to go anywhere separate from the farmhouse either

[velvet narwhal]

Is this a threat that you want me to be your QA for bug reports? Pun intended

[rancid temple]

public virtual Point GetMainMailboxPosition() {
    if (!this.mapMainMailboxPosition.HasValue) {
        if (!base.TryGetMapPropertyAs("MailboxLocation", out Point position, required: false)) {
            position = new Point(68, 16);
        }
        this.mapMainMailboxPosition = position;
        Building farmhouse = this.GetMainFarmHouse();
        BuildingData buildingData = farmhouse?.GetData();
        if (buildingData?.ActionTiles != null) {
            foreach (BuildingActionTile action in buildingData.ActionTiles) {
                if (action.Action == "Mailbox") {
                    this.mapMainMailboxPosition = new Point(farmhouse.tileX.Value + action.Tile.X, farmhouse.tileY.Value + action.Tile.Y);
                    break;
                }
            }
        }
    }
    return this.mapMainMailboxPosition.Value;
}```
this is the only hit in the code and it looks like it doesn't do anything with the property if it exists

Well, I mean I guess it does do something, it uses it to create a variable that it barely makes use of and immediately changes from whatever you put to a hardset value

Probably needs to be marked as no longer useful, though I'm not sure in which version that changed, might need to scour the version pages

[uncut viper]

am i misreading something? that doesnt look like it immediately changes to a hardset value to me

[rancid temple]

Oh, no I guess I am

If the property doesn't exist it sets a value to position and then changes the mailbox position to it and then to a completely different value

[uncut viper]

to me that looks like if you set the MailboxLocation property and remove it from the Farmhouse's building data, it'll treat wherever you put the property as the mailbox

[rancid temple]

Can you remove that from the Farmhouse?

[uncut viper]

it only changes it to a completely different value if it exists in Data/Buildings for the Farmhouse

yes

its just in ActionTiles

along with the lumber piles for the club card

[rancid temple]

@final arch Looks like I was wrong, see Button's explanation ^^

[uncut viper]

still used in Farm.draw for the letter icon too, so if you bake the mailbox into the map it should work

cant change a cabin's mailbox location though

[rancid temple]

That's a shame, thanks for the correction though

[tender bloom]

Yes

Afaik

You can make the little hover icon move tho I think?

Oh you don’t mean that section of the image duh

Sorry is late

As of 1.5.6, setting the mailbox correctly was something you had to do for new farm maps

As of 1.6, idk for sure but that’s why those properties were around in the first place

[uncut viper]

judging by the code it's still functional as long as you edit the farmhouse itself to make it work

but not necessary by default

[tender bloom]

Also sheku did you want me or did you want Atra?

I’m no farmhouse expert

[uncut viper]

it's your name in the wiki box

[tender bloom]

Oh crap I was going to say you got the late night hours right

But it’s morning in Atra land

[tender bloom]

Literally no memory of that lol

Must have been during 1.5.6

I’ve never made a relevant mod but I probably was talking someone through it once and got frustrated at the wiki or something?

[uncut viper]

i do always find it amusing when the wiki, whose modding pages are used by a ton of people who may or may not be in here, just cites a random name
im sure random Nexus user whose never stepped foot in here is very interested in what Elizabeth thought

[final arch]

yeah pinged you cus it had your name

thanks for the info y'all

[vernal crest]

Okay I am struggling to follow this (ahhhh Christmas be over already) but am I right in thinking you are saying that it is possible to have the mailbox be somewhere other than right next to the farmhouse? I tried doing that for my farm map but the game completely ignored it. But I definitely didn't remove anything from the farmhouse building data so it looks like that's what I should be doing?

[vernal crest]

Oh I do know relativistic but only as MaxRW like Avi said

[rancid temple]

... So does the main menu just ignore the music setting now?

'bout to expand my personal mod with a new function...

Okay so looks like it only moves the icon lmao

So now I have a not working mailbox and a random floating icon

I could probably add a mailbox over there but then I'd have an extra one I guess

Any tile on the Buildings layer should work over there really

Hm, oh I guess it wouldn't add the action for me, gotta add that too

Working moved mailbox but the patches to remove the other one don't seem to have done anything

[proud wyvern]

have you tried a new save file?

[rancid temple]

Yeah just tried that, was wondering if it needed that too, no dice

Trying to figure out where that one is even added, it's not part of the houses.png

When I use Lookup Anything it doesn't bring up any tile data for it

So I'm guessing it's just being drawn there somewhere

Ah, still in the Buildings data DrawLayers

[rancid temple]

@vernal crest @final arch
https://github.com/rokugin/CP-Examples/blob/main/[CP] mailbox test/content.json
I will deal with making a simple tutorial for this later, for now this is the code for moving the mailbox just over to that location on the regular Farm map

[grand agate]

Hi, can someone help me?
I already know we can add furniture into Furniture Catalogue with CP, but is it possible to add furniture into other catalogue such as Joja Catalogue or Retro Catalogue?

[rancid temple]

Pretty sure all the catalogues are just shop entries

Looks like you can easily add items to the Joja catalogue by adding the context tag collection_joja to it, or by adding it to the Items object of the JojaFurnitureCatalogue entry in Data/Shops

RetroFurnitureCatalogue is the same deal but the context tag is collection_retro

If you want them to appear in both the regular Furniture Catalogue and those other ones you'll need to add the entries to Items

The regular Furniture Catalogue is set up to ignore all those context tags

[grand agate]

thank you so much @rancid temple , I just need to add to one of the catalogue

[rancid temple]

I removed your name from it and added the basic information about how it should be done now, hopefully I didn't deviate too much and it doesn't get reverted and put your name back on there

[reef kiln]

Try this mod. It still works fine in 1.6.15 https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/7834
It lets me move my mailbox.

[royal stump]

useful for players, but this is about designing custom farm maps where it starts somewhere else, I think
(or just has permission to move separately)

[reef kiln]

Oh, I thought the code might help

[royal stump]

potentially, yeah, but I think they've got it worked out (ah, only partially, I misread, sorry)

honestly, I'm kinda* surprised that still works, since it predates all the 1.6 changes

some of aedenthorn's mods are pretty resilient

[reef kiln]

Yay, I was surprised too. But I am using it in my current play through

[vernal crest]

I think it's good. I've never looked at buildings stuff before but I found the ActionTiles and DrawLayers fields info on the buildings page and your instructions for what to do with them made sense to me. My only suggestion is to maybe move the instruction to add an Action Mailbox property to the tile to the beginning of the sentence so people don't go looking for Action Mailbox in Data/Buildings.

[calm nebula]

Merry Xmas eve!

[spice inlet]

merry xmas

[gentle rose]

I don't even know what nexus premium is good for but

[royal stump]

more download speed (and choice of servers iirc), no ads if you're not already using ad blockers for some reason, and auto-install for mod lists, I think

[vernal crest]

Yeah if you use Stardrop you can update all your mods with just one button click (or maybe a few more than one, but fewer than updating them all individually!)

[rancid musk]

Admittedly the download speed is a lot more useful for games like, say, Skyrim than Stardew. But it is nice to have.

[vernal crest]

I'm hopeful for premium for the updating

Updating 70+ mods is much easier with Stardrop than it was manually but it still takes way too long doing it one by one

[gentle rose]

I might save this for a little bit then! ty guys

[brittle ledge]

You get more free months at higher UDLs and eventually get lifetime at 30k, so you could probably use it now

I was already past 30k when they implemented it, so I have all these free months I never got to use

[gentle rose]

ngl I'm not sure I'll make it to 30k udl but we'll see

they should let you gift your free months if you didn't use them lol

[brittle ledge]

Honestly if you keep putting out mods you probably will At the time I got it, I don't think I had a mod above 12k and those were my older ones.

[serene tapir]

I've finally reached farmer! I desire cheeto dust ✨️

[faint ingot]

Hello, somebody created a translation for my mod on nexus and asked for me to open permission to upload the translation file. Should I grant them permission to "edit my mod details"? I don't see any other kind of permission capability on nexus. I am also learning github not sure if I should ask them to submit it there instead

[tender bloom]

I think they might be confused

You don’t need to grant them any permissions

They might also be malicious, but confused seems more likely

There’s a few options for how to do translations

1. Have them DM you the file, you upload within your mod. Downside: more updates just for translations, they have to give up permissions on their work and you’d have to manually implement if they want DP
2. They upload as a separate mod page (only the i18n if you have i18n structure, whole mod/text part if you don’t). Pros: they get DP, you don’t have to deal with bug reports in random languages. Cons: you have to give them permission if it’s the whole mod. However, this isn’t a mechanical thing, you can just tell them over DM

Idk that GitHub would help any here

[wanton pebble]

This is why i18n is great

They don't have to upload the whole mod with a translation

[tender bloom]

If they’re asking for open permissions, they almost certainly do not want you to add them as permission to edit mod details unless they’re up to something very weird/suspicious

They might be worried about the nexus permissions of reuploading your mod in case you don’t have i18n

[vernal crest]

Do you need advice for how to ask the mods for Cheeto?

[tender bloom]

You are allowed to grant one person permission but not everyone

(Verbally)

[faint ingot]

OK thank you

[tender bloom]

If you want to do this, you can just DM them “I give you permission to post a translation” and tell them they can screenshot to show proof if anyone starts asking funny questions

[wanton pebble]

Isn't there a command for this?

It's been a bit

[serene tapir]

The wiki says specifically to mention it here, but the roles description says to reach out to bouncer 😵‍💫 so I started with in here and figured I'd reach out via bouncer at some point

[vernal crest]

I don't know. I know that when I got Cheeto I found contradictory advice on how to do it so I asked the mods directly.

[lucid iron]

i dm'd bouncer

then i got asked to edit wiki (so i did)

[wanton pebble]

Oh it's no longer ping a junimod eh?

Prob a better system

[lucid iron]

well bouncer is same as talking to mod if i understand it correct

theres some speshul mod mail chat

[vernal crest]

When I did it I messaged bouncer directly and then one of the mods replied to say I am eligible and to please add myself to the wiki and then they will Cheeto. But they don't want people to add themselves to the wiki until they have been assessed as eligible by a mod.

[faint ingot]

actually it looks like they got impatient waiting for me to respond and already uploaded another version : )

[serene tapir]

Oh ick, don't like that

[vernal crest]

I don't understand how any person could think "I asked for permission" and "I was granted permission" are in any way equivalent and yet here we are with multiple people doing this.

[wanton pebble]

Honestly if I saw that I'd be real tempted to be petty and go "you didn't ask, so no, take it down"

[lucid iron]

do u intend to grant permission in the end

[gentle rose]

there is already a Chinese translation of your mod posted btw

nvm, just saw you saw it

[faint ingot]

He did ask for permission to translate, and it looks like based on the size of the mod it's just the translation file, so I think that's fine

[vernal crest]

(I did actually release a mod myself where I asked for permission and then released the mod without getting a reply...BUT I was only asking to be courteous in the first place because the Nexus perms already allowed my mod.)

[lucid iron]

im psure upload in nexus context meant new mod page

which is prob less hassle for u, no need to merge in translation

i do tend to merge tl in only cus my mods have like, 10 lines tops and usually just configs lol

[gentle rose]

also idk if this is be being slightly petty but imo if someone is expanding/translating a mod they should include the original author in the nexus author section

[vernal crest]

I've had (by my request) Nexus take down a translation someone did without asking me. Mainly because they were a DP farmer who did machine translated mods without QA for anything new. But partly because it would've been so easy to ask me first (and I'm very responsive!) and they didn't even bother.

[gentle rose]

like author: [<translator> and sdvhead]

[gentle rose]

I've seen some translations that apparently use chatgpt which... 💀 I wouldn't trust

[faint ingot]

not sure how I would be able to tell the difference

its all greek to me

or chinese, in this case

[tender bloom]

This actually grants permission to edit mod pages (if done accurately) iirc

Like if you look at atra’s mods

The way to add someone to a mod is horrifyingly low tech

[vernal crest]

I wouldn't be surprised. Some people are just doing it for the DP so they churn out as many as possible. I hope they were really badly impacted by the DP changes. I have begrudgingly accepted that AI being involved in translation is reasonable given the amount of work it is (and I speak only one language so who am I to judge someone who genuinely wants to translate something but speaks the second language less than fluently) but only when it's for translations that are done with care and QA.

[tender bloom]

You just type in the raw string of their username

[gentle rose]

I thought I saw two separate things, the author field and the "add to mod" field. But I could be wrong

[vernal crest]

So when there's a mod page with one clickable author name and one unclickable, the latter does actually have page editing permissions?

[tender bloom]

It’s also possible it is like that, I haven’t prodded it much

[tender bloom]

Uh whatever Atra did to me worked yeah

[vernal crest]

Hmm. This seems easy to check with the help of a guinea pig.

[gentle rose]

still not convinced you aren't atra the names reveal the truth

/lh

[tender bloom]

Atra’s the morning person, that’s how you tell us apart

[vernal crest]

I was going to say I've seen them both in the same room together but they could just be logged into different accounts on different devices lol

[wanton pebble]

Atra is a MORNING person?

I don't believe it XD

[gentle rose]

so you in the morning you're atra and during the rest of the day you're Elizabeth?

[tender bloom]

Between the two of us we’re awake pretty much 24/7 when I’m in this time zone

[vernal crest]

It's morning right now and is Atra here? No. Case closed.

[tender bloom]

It’s also Christmas Eve

[gentle rose]

it's also evening

[tender bloom]

They could be going on a 10 mile run

Another difference between us: I currently do not run because I’m trying to keep my tendons happy

[vernal crest]

It's nearly wake up for presents time

[brittle ledge]

Honestly that's probably the most accurate thing ChatGPT can do - machine translation 's been around for quite a while and has had lots of data to train on.

[tender bloom]

Is wake up for presents time midnight?

[vernal crest]

If I was an excited child, anyway

It's nearly 4am on Christmas Day

[tender bloom]

Woah

I just woke up on Christmas Eve

[gentle rose]

but chatgpt isn't machine translation - they work in very different ways that don't necessarily lend themselves to translation 😭 calculators have also been a thing for even longer than computers but half the time if you ask chatgpt a complicated maths question it gets it totally wrong lol

[vernal crest]

I was trying to go to sleep before chat got busy again but I failed

[brittle ledge]

Oh, so they managed to screw up perhaps the easiest thing they could do?

[tender bloom]

Eh they were trying for Jack of all trades and got master of none

I think is the best summary of ChatGPT’s failures

[brittle ledge]

They didn't even get Jack

[gentle rose]

yh, because chatgpt is just a language model - it's basically the same as a toddler who learned to copy how their parents talk really well but doesn't understand the actual meaning of words lol

[brittle ledge]

Oh I figured they'd just tap into something existing but I guess they couldn't purchase the trained algos or something

[vernal crest]

Machine learning can be really powerful and great when it's very carefully fed and monitored.

[rotund elm]

Is there a way to use general mod config to choose what i18n translation you'd like

[brittle ledge]

Not to my knowledge. Possibly with C#.

[brittle pasture]

you need to load your translations into an asset and read from those

then all your translations have to be separate CP mods

that's the only way I see something like that can work

[brittle ledge]

Is there a use case where you'd want the i18n in a different language from the base game?

[rotund elm]

Thank you! I'll give it a shot and if not I think I can manage making that with C#

No but from my understanding the i18n has to be changed manually for each mod depending on what language you speak

[vernal crest]

That is not my understanding of it

[rotund elm]

wHaT

so the game will automatically switch the files if they are present?!

[vernal crest]

Players should just be able to change their game language and have the i18n from your mod associated with that language be used (if present)

[brittle pasture]

yeah lol

[vernal crest]

Bit pointless otherwise really

[rotund elm]

I must live under a rock

XD

[vernal crest]

You should be able to test it yourself pretty easily

[velvet narwhal]

Just like me frfr

[brittle ledge]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it reads the game language and picks the right one

[brittle pasture]

I thought you were doing something wack like "someone submitted 2 korean translations and I want to let the user choose which one to use"

[brittle ledge]

Please, you are better than ChatGPT

[velvet narwhal]

Iirc language swapping on the fly gave tool errors in strings but it was still relatively smooth

[rotund elm]

lmao yes that is true, but I only made one translation for japanese which is really the only one that I may need multiple for, but I'm not worried about it

[vernal crest]

And I was thinking something like "someone wants to learn Spanish but they're not good enough yet to have the whole game in Spanish so they just want one mod to begin with"

[rotund elm]

let me have fish of stardew teach you how to say a bunch of random fish names XD

[serene tapir]

This was my use-case too

I like using Spanish dialogue mods but my Spanish isn't strong enough for the whole game to be Spanish yet

[rotund elm]

honestly never considered playing a game in a language you are learning, thats a really good idea

[serene tapir]

My solution is to rename the i18n files so that the Spanish is default and the English is labeled as Spanish haha

[vernal crest]

That would probably work on me. I'd get too frustrated trying to learn Māori with the whole game language changed but if Wren, for example, was in Māori I'd be motivated to learn more of it to get to experience her.

[serene tapir]

Best games for this IMO are mario games, because they're localized whenever possible! So the jokes and slang and stuff usually make sense in language

[vernal crest]

Yeah that's the easiest way to go about it I think Koda. Too bad for me there are not actually any mods in Māori lol

[serene tapir]

When animal crossing was big, I used to write all my letters to villagers in pumé (my indig language) for the practice. I still log on sometimes just to have my villagers call me pet names like my abuela would when she was around

[vernal crest]

Once Hiria is released there will at least be some Māori dialogue in one mod!

[gentle rose]

the tough part about speaking a RTL language is that they're way less likely to be localised (and if they are, it's always arabic and maybe urdu which aren't the ones I speak 😭 and it's never a great localisation because RTL is tough)

[vernal crest]

RTL = ready to love? Ready to lick? Regional traditional language?

I know I should Google it but it takes so long on mobile.

[serene tapir]

Right to left 🙂

Arabic and Hebrew are the two i can think of off the top of my head

[vernal crest]

Oh that makes sense but I don't know if I knew that Hebrew is right to left

[gentle rose]

Arabic, Hebrew, Urdu, Yiddish (though nobody really speaks just Yiddish and it's mostly older people who are fluent), a bunch more

Farsi

basically any language stemming from the middle east

[vernal crest]

That makes sense

[serene tapir]

I only knew that Hebrew was rtl because of my convert process, I don't think most people are aware bc they see it used amongst English mostly ?

[gentle rose]

I've heard people say that it's because these languages were designed to be carved (with your right hand holding the hammer) rather than inked (with your right hand avoiding wet ink) but ngl that doesn't sound correct

[vernal crest]

By used amongst English do you mean like occasional Hebrew words scattered within mostly English speech/writing?

[serene tapir]

Yeah

[vernal crest]

Yeah that makes sense

[gentle rose]

yeah, that's common with some groups of diaspora Jews (new yorker jews tend to do it a lot)

other groups stick more to Yiddish though bc Hebrew used to be the holy language and not allowed to be spoken

[serene tapir]

Oh that'd explain it (is a new york jew)

[vernal crest]

It's been difficult for me to get much of a grasp on Māori grammar so far because most Māori use is similarly within English so it hides that Māori has different grammar.

[gentle rose]

haha that makes sense, I found that you guys are generally less aware of traditions outside of new york (mostly because you have your own very well-defined traditions! it's nice to see tbh)

like the Rosh Hashana Chinese Food thing

[vernal crest]

Do you live somewhere with less location-specific culture iro?

[serene tapir]

I have the same problem with Spanish and pumé all the time /empathizing

[gentle rose]

I'm in London (and not the Jewish parts) but I have family from all over and only moved here when I was ten! Where I'm from tends to have a wider mix of traditions though (I don't share where I was born though)

[brittle ledge]

There are apparently Mario Odyssey speedrunners who are trying to learn Chinese because that's the fastest language, I think that's neat

[serene tapir]

Our local Chinese food place stays open on Christmas just for us every year

[vernal crest]

I just mimed this twice and the first time I thought I'd probably be able to see more clearly carving right to left and the second time I thought the opposite xD

[tender bloom]

I feel like it’s probably at least part myth because Greek is carved and LTR

[velvet narwhal]

iirc the top to bottom was because of palm leaves but that's more lore i could think of

[gentle rose]

haha right? it's supposedly because you can swing with more precision with your right hand towards the left, but like elizabeth(I think? idk what you go by 😭)/faux atra just said it's... questionable. Because there has been old RTL inking and LTR carving

probably more a matter of it's that way because that's just how things happened, no reason in particular

[calm nebula]

Elizabeth is not faux atra

[gentle rose]

latin is so famously carved they didn't have a rounded U and that's LTR too

[gentle rose]

(see conversation earlier where I only just realised you two are two separate people and have remained unconvinced because I think your names are you hinting at us you are one, joint, elizabeth-atra)

[vernal crest]

Oh it must be morning now

[gentle rose]

atralizabeth

[velvet narwhal]

it's okay iro, when tia and wren were both active at the same time, i confused them all the time

[vernal crest]

It did take me a while to figure out that Tia was making an NPC called Wren and that was entirely separate from the mod author called Wren, yup lol

[brittle ledge]

[calm nebula]

Lol

#programmers-off-topic message

I am a morning person. I also get wildly not enough sleep

[gentle rose]

it took me long enough to figure out that festive mathperson was atra 😭 every once in a while you guys will mention someone who I will realise I haven't seen in the conversation or on discord at all and it will turn out to be one of you guys in disguise

[velvet narwhal]

in my defense it's because i'm hiding from my users

[proud wyvern]

I remember by avatars

And then atra randomly changes theirs

[velvet narwhal]

halloween was a great time, we were all dedicated colors

[calm nebula]

I've been cat with oscilloscope for years

[brittle ledge]

[hasn't changed mine in like... two years]

[proud wyvern]

Maybe a year

[brittle ledge]

Name-wise. Avatar's much older.

[gentle rose]

. why is this the first time I check your username. Why did I think earlier you linked me to someone else's thread you just happened to be active on.

[velvet narwhal]

it worked diinnit

[gentle rose]

you guys are doing this on purpose

[tawny ore]

Sleep tracking is fun

[gentle rose]

technically, my avatar is as old as discord itself

[vernal crest]

I always check discord usernames when someone mentions a name I can't see in a display name

[velvet narwhal]

it won't let me use 🇯 as a windows emoji, so i'm in light jail

[gentle rose]

also rip, someone reported some "massive lag" with one of my mods the other day then when I asked them for an smapi log, pulled an aang and vanished

[velvet narwhal]

inb4 it's because they have it who shall not be named or something

[brittle ledge]

Ten bucks says it's No More Lag

[gentle rose]

it sounds like it is my log bc the lag is when they open their map but I'm also not sure how you can even spot massive lag with the map open...

[velvet narwhal]

or they have all the expansions at once

though iirc ui lagging is normal

[gentle rose]

a) what is that
b) is it compatible with SVE

[velvet narwhal]

it's not compatible with content patcher

[vernal crest]

It's an "optimisation" mod that breaks other mods

[gentle rose]

amazing

[vernal crest]

And does not improve performance at all

[gentle rose]

10/10. My new mod is going to let you download RAM in that case

[velvet narwhal]

my limit testing found that it crashed my game on a minimal repo 3/10 times

[gentle rose]

the real stardew no lag mode just prevents SVE from loading. instant lag reduction

[calm nebula]

For a while in November I was legitimately averaging just above 4

That was misery

Just misery

[tender bloom]

That sounds horrible

[calm nebula]

I get xmas eve and Xmas day off and I'm just sleeping lol

[velvet narwhal]

tbh i think that was me for the entirety of june/july

[tender bloom]

My body just tells me NO if I don’t sleep for too long and I start random falling asleep when I sit down on the couch

[vernal crest]

I'm halfway to living up to my threat of staying awake the whole Christmas Eve night

And now the sun has started rising and the birds have started being noisy

[ivory plume]

NPC scheduling and initialization were implemented in a way that works well enough for vanilla, but unfortunately didn't make the scope in 1.6 to revamp for mod-friendliness.

[blissful panther]

Also known as the-feature-rewwrite-that-would-make-atra-happier-than-any-other.

[wanton pebble]

tbh schedule rewriting is such a scope that it terrifies me

so I don't mind it didn't make the cut

[blissful panther]

Yeah, I feel like it would warrant an entire update just for that.

[wanton pebble]

Anyway thank you for the update Pathos, Merry Christmas! (And I shouldn't have any more questions for a bit so you won't get more pings from me )

[calm nebula]

Merry Christmas!

[ivory plume]

Happy feast of the Winter Star!

[blissful panther]

https://tenor.com/ba7CT.gif

[brittle ledge]

So... It's compatible, right?

[gentle rose]

...yes. yes it is

in one sense of the word

[latent mauve]

I think I actually saw a thread with this issue in #1272025932932055121 , they found out that Map Event Markers was constantly running checks and that was the concern

[gentle rose]

that was a while back and was fixed, but ty!

a while back being like three days ago

just like... pre this

[latent mauve]

Ah, so before this report

[gentle rose]

yeah, the person from this report has confirmed they're running the fixed version

there's a decent chance they're just running a bunch of mods that update the map at once and also have a bunch of events pending from these mods (like ridgeside + sve + other expansions), which would 100% do the trick

[heady relic]

Are there any known ways or mods that can turn one item (say a nutmeg fruit) into two items (like mace and nutmeg)?

[uncut viper]

did you have a specific "cause" for that to happen in mind?

something the player does, a machine, gift reaction, etc?

[tender bloom]

You can have it be random

[heady relic]

I suppose a machine would be doable. And with that being said, it looks like I might be able to do it through ExtraMachineConfigs

[velvet narwhal]

selph is probably Doing Family Things™️ but you would probably be correct

[drowsy pewter]

Yes

EMC does

[heady relic]

yep, just found the bit on how to do it. Awesome!
https://github.com/zombifier/My_Stardew_Mods/blob/master/ExtraMachineConfig/README.md#adding-extra-byproducts-for-machine-recipes

Guess I'll need to make a spice table too

[drowsy pewter]

I just coded 500 recipes

[heady relic]

that's a lot of food

[drowsy pewter]

yes

[brittle ledge]

WAG has multi-outputs as an example, Yumiko. Though it is quite large.

[heady relic]

I made a mustard mod a while back, and my roommate suggested I add curry. So now I'm adding like 15 of the most common spices.

[velvet narwhal]

did you do another concat crime

[drowsy pewter]

nope, typed them one by one

[wanton pebble]

Alright, bit of an emergency code fix necessary - how do I lock off patches until a character is unlocked?

Context: I have patches to put characters in the game if they're unlocked. The problem is, presently, apparently the NPCs aren't even patched in until conditions are satisfied

So when I make a new file, I get the following log upon saving the config: https://smapi.io/log/bcaeb9825da54e72ba67d19f5cd0ddb8

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.10 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows 10 Pro, with 76 C# mods and 75 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[rancid temple]

I'm not sure I fully understand but you could put a When on the Include

[wanton pebble]

The problem presently is the include contains all of these, and June is in the main bachelor/ette area in my coding

[uncut viper]

can you elaborate more on the "apparently the NPCs aren't even patched in until conditions are satisfied"

[rancid temple]

I feel like there's some unrelated warnings popping up there, not sure which ones we're looking for

[wanton pebble]

Only the ones at the bottom!

The top ones were from when I was loading my regular file. I can get a fresh SMAPI log if you want clear of most of those

[blissful panther]

I think the problem is that NPCs that always exist reference the NPCs that are conditional, and that when they're conditionally not patched in, we get that log spam?

[gaunt orbit]

I'm not sure what your cp file looks like, but generally speaking

• custom locations should always be added. If you need to make them conditional, use map patches and warp edits instead
• npcs should always be added, and use npc data conditions to unlock.

[blissful panther]

Because they're technically invalid at that point?

[uncut viper]

oh, you're using the relationship token

[wanton pebble]

Yes!

and that searches for if the NPC exists in the Data/Characters

[uncut viper]

someone else had this same problem the other day, the person making the Law & Order mod

[wanton pebble]

but those characters aren't patched in yet

[uncut viper]

it does not!

[wanton pebble]

it wha-

[uncut viper]

which is what i discovered

the list of characters it gets is every character in a location

[wanton pebble]

I just told Pathos I wouldn't ping him D: Okay, educate me button

[uncut viper]

hes already aware of it anyway

he said it probably should check Game1.characterData instead. however right now it doesnt

and so because it gets its original listing of all characters from every character in a location, if a character isnt unlocked yet, they arent spawned. they do exist in Data/Characters though

and it creates a list of all those characters in that list to check against. if your input argument isnt in that list, it stops the check early bc it thinks its invalid

[wanton pebble]

so basically, I need to figure out a way to lock off all character patches who might not be at the Winter Star via includes?

[uncut viper]

it breeaks if you use it for Kent, for example

which is what they were trying to do

[wanton pebble]

Because that's going to be difficult and I liked my clean patch structure right now D:

[uncut viper]

yeahhh the workaround the other person had was checking against a specific event being seen or not (Kent's arrival) so... i guess id just check for the same conditions as the characters unlock conditions

or an event if there is one

its not a pretty solution

#modded-stardew

[wanton pebble]

sigh well, at least I discovered this now

would have been shit to discover in like 5-7 hours

[blissful panther]

Hmmm... how are these NPC names patched in? I'm wondering if you could maybe use some custom token that is blank when the NPC isn't patched in, and maybe it'll just ignore a blank one?

[wanton pebble]

That you'd have to ask button. Per button they're all already in Data/Characters

[uncut viper]

the NPCs ARE patched in

[wanton pebble]

It's just how the relationship token gets-

yeah

[blissful panther]

Oh, well then in that case...

[uncut viper]

content patcher just makes an InvariantSet of NPC names for optimization purposes but the list of names it uses for that set only checks NPCs that exist in the world

but bc it grabs that list of names from somewhere else that im sure is also used in other things that are not the relationship token, im not sure how involved fixing that would be

might have unintended consequences that i wouldnt know to look for

[brittle ledge]

(Is RSV doing something weird to patch him in or is it just Condition? )

[ivory plume]

(That's something that'll likely be fixed in the next Content Patcher update.)

[uncut viper]

there we go, straight from the pathos himself

[ivory plume]

The SMAPI install guide for Android is now updated for the new working SMAPI port.

[brittle ledge]

Working??

[velvet narwhal]

that is the equivalent to getting coal for crimis /lh

[blissful panther]

...what lesvel of stability are we talking?

Do I need to pull out my Android build configuration again?

[rancid temple]

Last I saw there was no problem with the SMAPI port, but they were still working on other mods support

[ivory plume]

SMAPI itself should be stable so far as I know, but it's still early so it doesn't have mod compatibility rewriters for all the Android-specific code changes yet.

[wanton pebble]

... I hate to ask then, Pathos, but is there a general timeframe for the next Content Patcher update?

Context: I might leave my patching as is

[tawny ore]

That explains why I'm getting a new flood of DMs requesting Android compatibility

[wanton pebble]

I can rewrite everything or make a known bug post, but it'll mainly depend on if it's "soon" or "a ways yet"

I don't need nor want an exact date XD

[ivory plume]

I'm visiting family for a few weeks, so I won't be online much. So it probably won't be until I get back at the least, unless something critical comes up.

[velvet narwhal]

30-40 business days, got it

[wanton pebble]

Hmmmmm. Okay. Thank you, that definitely helps inform my decision

[uncut viper]

hope you enjoy your family visiting pathos

[brittle ledge]

Good! Go relax and get some rest!

[wanton pebble]

What I think I'll do is split the difference. I really, really, really don't want to reorder my patches, but I can still lock off dialogue patches from being patched in as long as someone has not unlocked Zayne (requires his 8 heart), Daia/Jio (requires Spirit Realm) and/or Bryle (unknown - I think his is probably going to be the trouble tbh). If I get too many reports I'll reorder it until the update, but otherwise I'll leave as is

there was also a June error, but that's probably because I skipped around - the Winter Star should have him around normally and he'd exist in the world

[drowsy pewter]

is the item Cookie or Cookies

[tender bloom]

I think Cookies?

[rancid temple]

Cookie

[tender bloom]

Yay Pathos break time!!!! have a good vacation!!!

[rancid temple]

The DisplayName is Cookies

Which causes weirdness when trying to put them in shops which is why for ObjectInternalName in the shop data you put Cookies

[drowsy pewter]

Your answer confuses me

[rancid temple]

Cookies are a convoluted mess

[teal bridge]

Random observation here but... why does the upright hoe frame (and only that frame) look so different for the upgraded versions? (I mean, in shape, not just palette)

[rancid temple]

Actually kind of surprised how different they all are, but that one is exceptionally different

[teal bridge]

They all have subtle variations of course, but the 3rd frame looks like a different tool entirely.

[uncut viper]

thats a showerhead

[drowsy pewter]

either way the wiki page says Cookie which is annoying me

[rancid temple]

It's like a more modern hoe

Well the Name field is Cookie

But the name you see when looking at in game is Cookies

[drowsy pewter]

but you said you put Cookies in shop data

which does not sound right

[teal bridge]

What makes it all the more strange is when you compare the last frames, the old busted iron hoe is shorter than the upgraded gold one which is the opposite of the 3rd frames.

[rancid temple]

Yeah that's from the game directly, I once knew why but that was before-times me knowledge

[drowsy pewter]

Weird

[rancid temple]

I think maybe it's because of the Cookies recipe

I dunno if regular Cookies are sold actually

Oh yeah they are and they don't have the ObjectInternalName

So only the recipe needs it because the recipe entry is called Cookies

[wanton pebble]

Alright. If I've programmed this right, I now have the dynamic tokens

{
            "Name": "TempBlock"
            "Value": "Errors",
        },
        {
            "Name": "TempBlock",
            "Value": "all",
            "When": {
                "Query: {{HasSeenEvent |contains=75160263}} OR {{HasSeenEvent |contains=75160440}} OR {{HasSeenEvent |contains=75160375}}": true
            },
        },

If any are true, all will be added. If a player customizes on main menu, no errors. If they customize in game with all characters existing in the location (Zayne being the most troublesome, with how far in he's locked before he attends the Star), no errors. The only way to cause errors is to:

• Not be in the festival
• Have at least one of Daia/Jio/Bryle/Zayne unlocked
• It either is the first Winter Star (no chance Bryle is unlocked), Daia and Jio haven't been met (also difficult) or Zayne hasn't been unlocked (probably the key)
• They customize it during this portion

That should hold until Pathos can push the update. I think.

(Tbh with this and the Custom NPC Exclusions I feel like UWS-RSV is on a hastily and somewhat poorly constructed liferaft, but it will get to its destination! XD )

[ivory plume]

You can also do this (which will be more efficient for Content Patcher's optimizations):

"When": {
    "HasSeenEvent": "75160263, 75160440, 75160375" // has seen any of these
},

[wanton pebble]

Yoink. Thank you Pathos

[ivory plume]

(Also the fix is now in the code for the next update.)

[wanton pebble]

You didn't have to do that now, it's Christmas Eve! But thank you Pathos

[pine elbow]

Merry Xmas eve!

I hate to ask this here, because I'm sure hundreds of people have already asked but... I am new to modding for stardew valley and I was wondering if there was a general repository or location I can go to get some beginner tips (where to start creating mods)?

I have a plethora of experience in c++, c# and Python, but I'm just not sure where to start with Stardew Valley.

[brittle pasture]

!startmodding

[ocean sail]

Making mods can be broadly divided into two categories:

• Content packs are formatted text files, and don't need any programming knowledge. They can add/edit NPCs, maps, new items, shops, and more. To get started, see the list of framework mods, the wiki tutorial for Content Patcher, and there might be relevant guides on the tutorial wiki.
• C# mods use programming code to change fundamental game mechanics. See getting started with C# modding.

Usually it’s easier to start with making content packs, since you don't need to learn programming.

To use this command, type !startmodding.

[brittle pasture]

depends on what you want to make really. do you have ideas in mind

[light jasper]

just made a PR to GMCM because I couldn't get my config menu looking exactly the way I wanted it to look lmao

[pine elbow]

definitely have a good many ideas.

[humble timber]

sounds like you already have the knowledge you'd need for C# shenanigans so it'd just be a matter of deciding on something specific then figuring out how to make it happen?

[velvet narwhal]

the wide range of "that's doable in cp" versus "yeah you'd need c# for that" is understanding the game's logic

[brittle pasture]

insert bird xkcd

[velvet narwhal]

so first steps are:
what do you want to create as a mod
check the decompile/unpack
check https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide.md content patcher docs

[gentle rose]

I think xkcd may be how I found out about stardew for the first time. Full circle moments and all that

[velvet narwhal]

i've owned stardew since it's release but didn't become a mod author until recently so it's just me staring at the decompile like, "yeah that is definitely a method name i would use, relatable"

[calm nebula]

She got her research team, huh

[drowsy pewter]

wondering how the hell CA lands on color_green for this

[uncut viper]

vegetable medley = eat your greens = green

[fresh lintel]

Does anyone know or has interacted with @dreamy cedar ? I have played with the Questable Tractor mod and have seen the code on GitHub.

[drowsy pewter]

Yes?

[brittle pasture]

if you're already pinging them just put the question in your message

[hard fern]

😭 beets will stain your hands, even the yellow ones... Where is the green in that

And for a medley... Isn't only two vegetables kinda

Small

[calm nebula]

Don't try to make sense of recipes

We also have chocolate cake without chocolate

That would make a hilarious stardw 1.7 update

"Added chocolate to chocolate cake. Added Easter eggs."

||they are actual Easter eggs||

[outer schooner]

can anyone tell me what's going wrong with this json?

Line Field Error
17 Changes[0].Entries.seaweed After parsing a value an unexpected character was encountered: ". Path 'Changes[0].Entries.seaweed', line 17, position 8.

[velvet narwhal]

you need a comma after } for your seaweed: {} block

[outer schooner]

okie dokie

[iron ridge]

and also after the } for the green block

[velvet narwhal]

same to green

[outer schooner]

it works! thank you!

[gentle rose]

we have meatless meat burgers, don't we?

[pine elbow]

I figured it out - and big thanks to some of those tutorials. Also, Pathoschild I just wasn't aware I needed the nuget package. Had been looking for some API reference and couldn't find where to get that until I found that in a tutorial.

wooops

[ornate locust]

Someone ought to make a joke recipe change for the chocolate cake to make tomato soup cake. It apparently tastes like chocolate

[humble timber]

nw, glad you found what you needed

[brittle pasture]

veggie burgers are a thing, and from the recipe the patty is presumably made from the eggplant

[pine elbow]

maybe beans?

soy

[brittle pasture]

I meant the ingame one

irl beans/soy yes

[pine elbow]

ohhh

i assumed potato, in-game

[glacial loom]

Valaki tudna nekem segíteni?

[wanton pebble]

Rule 15 of the server

[glacial loom]

Ohh, tanks. I understand.

[gentle rose]

don't we have something that's explicitly called a veggie burger and something that isn't? unless I'm misremembering

[drowsy pewter]

survival burger

thats the only burger

[hard fern]

😔 it would be cool if there were cheeseburger

[desert crane]

I'm still trying to make a meteorite spawn on the farm. I think I'm almost close, but trying to compile the file gives me error. Does somebody know if I'm close to what I want to do, and how to fix the error?

https://smapi.io/json/none/84ccec09ed8c42de8eb411428ee9f556

[ornate trellis]

you missing the comma it tells you bout

[wanton pebble]

Yep, that's a comma chameleon alright

if error at top says a line, go back one line and see if there's a comma

[ornate trellis]

ofr once a problem i, too, can spot lol

[desert crane]

after what line do I put the comma?

[wanton pebble]

so it told you 526. On line 525, no comma

[desert crane]

so at the end of line 525 I put one comma?

https://smapi.io/json/none/55d1df60eb244ec5bf5ffe4f01030da5

Didn't work

[ornate trellis]

probs means you have a closing bracket too early?

[desert crane]

That can totally be it. I just combined 2 already made code given from flashshifter

[gentle rose]

if I make that jewish food mods maybe I should add one just so I can remove it (not that it's going to be a kosher food mod, just cultural jewish food)

[desert crane]

Maybe I fixed it

No error but it doesnt work

[drowsy pewter]

why is stuffing tagged as food_sauce

does he know what a sauce is

[velvet narwhal]

stuffing has gravy and gravy is a sauce, therefore stuffing is sauce

[gentle rose]

it's a food. thing. substance. not one solid thing. substance thing /lh

[ornate locust]

Stuffing doesn't have gravy unless you put it on

[drowsy pewter]

food_substance

[velvet narwhal]

edible_enough

[ornate locust]

and stuffing is its own substance, named because it's a thing you stuff things with shakes fist CA!

some of the food tagging really is mysterious

food_goo

[gentle rose]

for starters, you have multiple Large_Object_Spawn_Settings in your file, and top-level keys should be unique

in fact, I think those two sections are identical

[ornate locust]

Oh I know what would cover gravy and stuffing! food_accessory

[desert crane]

I don't really understand much about this, it's the fix easy?

[gentle rose]

delete one of them...

everything from line 526 and below should be deleted

[royal stump]

I'd recommend downloading FTM's HTML editor and creating a new file with it, there's no json editing required

[gentle rose]

is that the configeditor one or a different HTML editor?

I assume a different one actually 😅

[royal stump]

no, it's not intuitively named, but that one lets you edit content.json files for FTM

[gentle rose]

ah, ty

[royal stump]

(I should get around to renaming it next update )

[velvet narwhal]

there was something we needed to ask esca but my swiss cheese brain has forgotten

[desert crane]

I totally misunderstood something, that's why I add the meteorite after line 526. But the code falshshifter gave me ended at line 526. Now I left it as it is. Still no meteorite, but I guess something is missing to make it actually appear, and that code is only part of the solution

[gentle rose]

Esca, who messaged above, is the author of FarmTypeManager. Take their advice over anyone else's where it comes to this

aka try the html editor

[desert crane]

But I didn't create the code myself, I was given. I wouldnt be able to recreate it outside from copy/paste. Would this be enough to make it work?

[desert crane]

Didn't notice the message before

[velvet narwhal]

#making-mods-general message i found it

[gentle rose]

that will let you make a new version of your own, complete with whatever you want to add. Or you can use the one you're using right now and build on top of it I think

[velvet narwhal]

it was in regards to custom NPC exclusions and winter star

[wanton pebble]

Esca, dw about it

RSV has leftover Custom NPC Exclusions stuffs

[desert crane]

I cannot build anything myself, I really need something like, "Put this code there and the meteorite is gonna appear on this coordinate on the farm"

[wanton pebble]

'tis RSV's fault and they've been notified XD

[royal stump]

I did see that mentioned earlier, but yeah, wasn't sure if it was an issue or just "using both Exclusions and 1.6 at once" no worries

[gentle rose]

that's what the editor does. It makes the code for you

using a website

[desert crane]

Can you direct me there?

[gentle rose]

(you'll still have to do a bit of documentation reading, but if you can't do that you won't be able to support your users if you have issues, like we mentioned earlier)

[royal stump]

I'm not sure what exactly you need the file to do, since there's some active forage stuff in your file too, not just the meteor
it can open the same file and edit things with a UI, though
it's in FTM's optional files here: https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/3231?tab=files

it won't open broken files correctly, though, so make sure it already has no errors* in the smapi.io/json thing

(sorry I can't help directly, but I can barely read right now, eye problems today )

[gentle rose]

that config editor is so cool btw! can it handle everything that can be done via json, or does it have some limitations?

[gentle rose]

that's the one. Load the fixed version of your json file at the top

[desert crane]

Looks like what I was looking for, but I miss information here. Area Id for main farm? And how do I put Meteorite, and its coordinate?

Oh okay

[royal stump]

the main limitation is that there's no UI for adding complex forage definitions, so if you want to spawn BCs or something, you have to manually type stuff like {"category": "BC", "name": "lightning rod"}

otherwise I think it has dropdowns and tooltips for things

[gentle rose]

I didn't even think of spawning BCs as an option... that's amazing

[royal stump]

I crammed a lot of unrelated things into the forage spawner over time, since it's the cleanest code-wise

[gentle rose]

you mean foraging for electrical machinary wasn't the original plan??? /lh

[royal stump]

choose a section in the "select a spawn area" dropdown list, and it'll bring up that area's options

I didn't see any obvious issues with your settings earlier though, just the two copies of it

[desert crane]

I don't really need that. But Now that I'm here, it looks like everything is fine. I should just save the file as it is and it should work. Does it create a manifest for it automatically?

[royal stump]

it only creates the content.json itself, so you'll still need to put it in a content pack with the manifest

[gentle rose]

hold on, if it wasn't working before you loaded it in it likely still won't work now unless you changed something I think (unless I'm wrong, feel free to correct, esca)

[royal stump]

just loading and saving it again probably won't affect much, yeah

the only issue I can think of is that you might need to delete the "data" folder in your content pack, or try it on a new save after the earlier fixes

[gentle rose]

@desert crane do you want the meteorite to only load when grandpa's farm is being used? because that's a requirement right now I think

[desert crane]

Maybe was just wrong coordinate, I put different one, even if it gives me different

I added 62,68

But it's wrote in a different way

Still good?

[desert crane]

NO I DON'T!

How to remove that?

Also this is the manifest I'm using, copied from that mod, is valid and working or I should change something?

[gentle rose]

remove the

"OtherMods": {
  "flashshifter.GrandpasFarm": true
}

part at the bottom

[desert crane]

I remove all these three lines?

[gentle rose]

well yeah, you should change the author, mod name, mod description and mod ID

[gentle rose]

yes

oh and the version should probably be 1.0.0

[desert crane]

I will do that, but does that affect the working of the mod? If not I do after

[gentle rose]

you won't be able to load this AND the actual mod with that ID at the same time

[desert crane]

Explain I'm not understanding

I'm not using

His mod

[royal stump]

you might also need to remove the farm types setting, if it's still there & you don't want to limit this to the standard farm type (which grandpa's farm normally replaces)

"File_Conditions": {
    "FarmTypes": [
      "Standard"
    ],
    "FarmerNames": [],
    "SaveFileNames": [],
    "OtherMods": {
      "flashshifter.GrandpasFarm": true
    }
  }```
should look like:
```json
"File_Conditions": {
    "FarmTypes": [],
    "FarmerNames": [],
    "SaveFileNames": [],
    "OtherMods": {}
  }```

[velvet narwhal]

you're not allowed to use someone else's identification card to get into the club /lh

[gentle rose]

are you still planning on publishing this to nexus?

[royal stump]

SMAPI will only load one mod with the same UniqueID
(if there are more, I think it skips them all)

[desert crane]

Like this?

[royal stump]

seems right

[desert crane]

If the meteorite thing work yes

[gentle rose]

because honestly right now I think once you're done with this you should enjoy it yourself but maybe not publish it until you have some time to learn how to fix things if they break? all of my mods were private for ages too, it's how we learn!

[desert crane]

I will try myself first ofcourse

Manifest is ok now?

[gentle rose]

You are still not Flashshifter, and unique IDs need to have the author's name first and then a . , like for example, kane.meteoriteonfarm

[velvet narwhal]

would really suggest https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_How_to_create_a_manifest

breaks every single field down for you

[gentle rose]

keep in mind that if you put this on nexus, I'm not sure what the meteorite is meant to be blocking (if at all), but different farm types are going to need different coordinates in order to not be anywhere invalid/be where you want them to be

[velvet narwhal]

it might be in the middle of space if it's a small farm

[gentle rose]

(you don't need compatibility for all modded farm types, but you should know which ones you are compatible with and hopefully be compatible with all vanilla farms)

[desert crane]

I will give them my map along with it and the price mod

So this is the manifest now

I tried it but it doesn look its working

[gentle rose]

so you probably need to make it so that the meteor only spawns when they're using your map type, otherwise it will keep spawning in all their other saves too.

[gentle rose]

are you making a new save each time you test?

[desert crane]

I will think about this after I can actually manage to spawn a meteorite on the map. So far it's not appearing

[desert crane]

Yes

And also using my modded map

And put a coordinate where there is nothing

But still doesnt appear

This is the code so far

[gentle rose]

can you send us your full smapi log?

!log

[ocean sail]

Important note: Your computer username may appear in the log. If your username is your full name, please be aware of this before uploading it.

Please share your SMAPI log file. To do so:

1. Open this page: smapi.io/log.
2. Follow the instructions at the top of the page to upload the log file. (Don't copy & paste from the console window!)
3. After uploading, it will show a green box with a URL to share. Post that URL here.

Please do it even if you don't see any errors. This has useful info like what mods and versions you have, what the mods are doing, etc. If the issue didn’t occur in your last session, please load the game to the point where the issue occurs, then upload the log.

To use this command, type !log.

[desert crane]

I sent it here

Oh the log don't know how to do that

I sadly have to go afk now I will be back later

[gentle rose]

there are instructions in that embed when you get back

[desert crane]

If you find anything write to me I'll try it after

[gentle rose]

I'm not looking for things for your mod on my own, but when you come back, you're welcome to keep trying and we will try to help

[desert crane]

I meant if there was an error here now, that still doesnt let the meteorite spawn

[desert crane]

I totally understand what you mean and appreciate the help

See you later and thank you!

[velvet narwhal]

i should really notate the differences between question null, quickQuestion, and question fork in regards to using i18n because i've gotten myself confused

[royal stump]

this does spawn a meteorite when I use it in a test pack of mine
(at either tile 20,25 or 62,68 at random, since both are listed)

[latent mauve]

Make sure you're testing on a new save, Kain.

[brittle ledge]

Oh that's real neat! I may be dabbling in FTM sometime soon ™️ since I hear you can spawn in BCs that aren't movable.

[serene tapir]

I am cheeto!

[velvet narwhal]

Now you'll never play the game again! /lh

[serene tapir]

Oh I haven't played in at least a month 😅

[royal stump]

yep, BCs/fences/etc should spawn in place and be useable now, with the optional "CanBePickedUp": false to keep people from stealing 'em
(@ me if any bugs come up, but I think those work now )
(though since I said fences, I don't think it prevents tool use on those yet, it's in my todo list)

[serene tapir]

But I'm earnestly trying to start a new save tonight! I just gotta update.... 111 mods, and install some new ones....

[calm nebula]

Enjoy!

[serene tapir]

Updating is the most fun part

[latent mauve]

Slowly working on my mod page for the apartment complex

[gentle rose]

join me! break the cheeto curse!

the thing about primarily modding qol stuff is that ideas exclusively come from playing the game

[royal stump]

all my qol stuff actually came from the mod suggestion repo or here
since I haven't really played since my first mod (so like 1.3)

definitely would've made twice as many if i played more though

[brittle ledge]

wow esca

You should play again, you've missed out on so much it'll probably be like a new game

[rancid musk]

Better Crafting was a response to me getting mad at the vanilla crafting experience in multiplayer.

[gentle rose]

yeah, 1.3 was... wow. very different afaik

[royal stump]

I keep meaning to, but I mostly got into in coop and we haven't had time to settle down and get into it again
(or got distracted by other stuff)

[rancid musk]

Playing the game is the best for qol

[royal stump]

I've run around testing stuff enough that I know about most of ginger island and all that, though

[rancid musk]

I say that but I haven't played since 1.6 yet. Too many other games lol

[gentle rose]

map event markers was from me trying to chase all the heart events I missed. Light radius was because if I wanted to see the farm at night I had to COVER it with lamps and there was no space lmao

[brittle ledge]

yeah I think there were like...two things I actually found in 1.6 before being spoiled on them

[lucid iron]

i need to play other games

[rancid musk]

I've put checks notes ...way too many hours into Enshrouded

[drowsy pewter]

I haven't played the game in so long that I tried to seriously use Silver as an item in a crafting recipe

[serene tapir]

1.3 was my last before 1.6 brought me back, and I missed a LOT! It took me over 6 months to work through to ginger island (altho modding didn't help my speed lmao)

[gentle rose]

I've looked at the mod suggestion repo a couple times, but I think the labelling isn't really maintained and right now it's like a lot of people asking for whole expansions 😭

[brittle ledge]

(Realistic Writer Elliott was from me going "oh lord he sounds like he self-publishes on Amazon")

[lucid iron]

but in the past 2 steam sale im like "oo <wishlisted thing> is on sale" and then i buy without playing em

[royal stump]

same, it was my civic duty™️ to dig through all the monster files once I got into the betas, so I saw a lot of stuff immediately

[gentle rose]

I stopped playing last time on the day 1.6 came out iirc, and now that I'm back I'm finally playing through it lol

so almost exactly a year ago!

[royal stump]

oh, yeah, I was gonna say, it looks like nobody's had time to categorize them all for a couple years it was helpful

still a good pile of random suggestions, but yeah

[gentle rose]

most recent labelled issues are from 2019, so much closer to when the game came out than to today haha

[lucid iron]

i wanna make the lunch box one eventually

[teal bridge]

Steam must know this, that's why they added the hilarious "Play Next" section on the library home page. Mine takes up the whole row.

[lucid iron]

hopefully before we run out of 32bit unix time

[royal stump]

ah, yeah, there are a few still labeled up to like 2022 but it's sparse

[teal bridge]

"Maybe users will actually play their games if we re-recommend them"

[tender bloom]

Wow I guess I am old in Stardew time

I started playing in 2020 iirc?

I guess it was the very end of 2020

[gentle rose]

I've had like bursts of playing and then stops, and I have no memory of when the first one was it was when 1.5 was out but not for ios because that's why I moved to PC

whenever that was haha

[royal stump]

aha, I forgot DB has been out this long

I forget which others I did from here

[brittle ledge]

can the list be tagged/organized by anyone or just the github contributors?

[brittle pasture]

kinda proud that I did at least a couple of ideas from the github, even though 1.5 of it I would have done anyway

[tender bloom]

I think just contributors

[royal stump]

I haven't really done much collab stuff on github, so I'd guess either the poster or pathos/ento would need to do it?

[tender bloom]

Honestly without tagging the ideas list is super full of terrible ideas

Not that the idea itself is always terrible

But it’s a terrible suggestion to ask of other humans

[brittle pasture]

"Place craftables on trees" and "Harvest Moon chickens" (I did the 1st one before knowing there's an idea for it, and was 50% done for the 2nd)

[tender bloom]

A bunch of them are incredibly specific requests for things that are clearly personal headcanons/OCs

[teal bridge]

AKA "commissions but for free"

[royal stump]

(i'm enjoying the closed topics that are like "make something 18+, idk what, just do it" )

[brittle ledge]

others seem like they're probably already done

[gentle rose]

there's a lot of general storyline ideas for big expansions

[tender bloom]

Yeah, probably a bunch are in the game

[uncut viper]

i did one request i did my part

[gentle rose]

and some that just aren't feasible

[teal bridge]

I always had the impression that the modideas list was kind of a dumping ground anyway - a way of redirecting the users who come into chat with "ideas". And if an idea is really a good one then someone will pick it up. So by definition what remains on the list is the silly/bad/infeasible ideas.

[gentle rose]

...what items can you only get by having high friendship levels with specific villagers? I'm confused about one of the suggestions and trying to think what they could have meant

[teal bridge]

^ recipes

[royal stump]

more or less, but I figure it's skimmed rarely enough that some decent ideas are around (if you're just in the mood to make something)

[latent mauve]

I offered a relatively simple request and someone did it, so that was nice. ❤️

[gentle rose]

ah, makes sense

[latent mauve]

(The Willy Buys Back Your Rods mod)

[uncut viper]

technically you can also lock items behind high level heart dialogue too

[gentle rose]

I would love a recipe system that lets you try out item combinations and if you get them right, you get the recipe. But that might be a very ambitious mod

[teal bridge]

Isn't LoC something like that? (Disclaimer: I haven't used it)

[royal stump]

half the games I've played with that system also eat the ingredients if you fail, so I tend to be wary of it

[uncut viper]

someone wanted that for bartending recently i think

it seemed like a fun idea

[gentle rose]

I tried LoC very very briefly and I don't think that it does that? but I could be wrong

[teal bridge]

Mod idea: implement Legend of Mana's crafting system in Stardew

[gentle rose]

pros and cons balances out the fact you could get recipes way easier that way

[uncut viper]

funnily enough i think legend of mana's crafting system was also brought up after that bartending drink crafting idea

[teal bridge]

I would almost do it just for the lulz (and not the expectation that any sane player would use it)

[gentle rose]

what is the legend of mana crafting system? ngl I've never heard of that game haha

[brittle pasture]

hmm, mixing alcoholic base, juice, flavoring, garnish

[teal bridge]

I can't even explain it in a single sentence. LoM was just infamous for having the most ridiculous, incomprehensible, opaque crafting system that was at the same time utterly useless to normal players but also inconceivably overpowered for those who cracked the code.

[gentle rose]

...could be doable by a custom machine, right? in theory. Just one with very complicated rules

[gentle rose]

ah, the kind of system intended to minmax, gotcha

[brittle pasture]

HxW mixology has a really really good set of bartending ingredients

[uncut viper]

in theory, one could make crafting recipes for all 3^x combos

[brittle pasture]

something could be built on top maybe

[gentle rose]

or reduce some by having some recipes with generic slots (like item 1 + item 2 + any item of type whatever)

[teal bridge]

I'm not even sure if the devs intended minmaxing with it. For years and years all the players just ignored the system entirely and said "it's worthless". Then one day people started figuring out how to craft weapons that were 10x more powerful than the normal ultimates.

[brittle pasture]

yeah if you're fine with hardcoding a base set of "special" recipes, you can have generic recipes with multiple ingredients and multiflavored produce with EMC

[teal bridge]

It's almost more like people discovering new glitches in SNES-era games.

[serene tapir]

Lovely mod

[gentle rose]

I love when things like that happen ngl. Minmaxing things you weren't supposed to minmax is a lot of fun

[teal bridge]

The funny thing is, even now there's no agreed-upon minmax. There's an entire "simulator" site dedicated to testing recipes and no single agreed-upon best strategy. Two different min-maxers come up with two completely different sets of ingredients and processes, and I mean not even kind of similar.

And even once you figure out a recipe it can be incredibly tedious to execute, just going through all the crafting menus can take hours.

[gentle rose]

honestly that's just impressive in terms of the system they've designed then

[teal bridge]

Anyway, I was only kidding about actually implementing that.

[gentle rose]

not necessarily in a good way, but like, impressive

oh yeah, I was just curious haha

I need to learn more about UI modding at some point bc I am definitely being held back by how little I can do with the menus rn. Do any of you happen to know any good resources to look through for that?

[uncut viper]

focustense might have somethin to say about it

[teal bridge]

...you know who you're asking, right?

[uncut viper]

[teal bridge]

My totally unbiased opinion is don't learn about vanilla UI, use StardewUI instead.

[gentle rose]

I did not, but I am more than happy to use some very smart and dedicated person's mod to make my life easier on the recommendation of an unbiased third party (thank you for the advice and thank you for making a mod to make that easier!)

[teal bridge]

100% fair and objective no conflict of interest guaranteed.
Feel free to join us in #1293051032904925255 if you have questions.

[rancid musk]

I would definitely recommend using something like StardewUI rather then the vanilla nothing if you're doing anything besides a very basic extension to a built in menu.

[gentle rose]

I originally noticed I have no UI skills when I ws trying to build a very basic extension to the animals menu and realised I had no idea what was going on in that class at all, so I think this will be good for me for those cases too haha

I would still like to learn how vanilla handles things at some point, but to do anything I will probably stick to stardewui

[velvet narwhal]

I have attempted to shill for stardewui only bc it's much easier to do the framework than it'd be to have my hair turn Grey from a custom ui

[uncut viper]

tbf a lot of people who have worked with vanilla UI would also probably say they dont have much idea whats going on in those classes

[teal bridge]

I kid about being unbiased (obviously) but the pain of barebones XNA drawing combined with Stardew's "interesting" menu system is no laughing matter.

[gaunt orbit]

Maybe I'm a masochist but I like barebones ui stuff actually.
That said, stardew's built-in system is Real Jank and I would like to try stardewui some time

[desert crane]

Yeah of course I always create a new file (I deleted like 30 so far)

[desert crane]

This is weird but maybe I know why. In tiled, next to the coordinate, on paths layer, instead of being empty space, it says 6. This is because to delete the modify I do in path, I take an empty space from the tileset. How do I actually reverse that to empty?

Here say 6

[royal stump]

sorry, I don't know much about editing maps, someone else might have advice

[desert crane]

Now I take an empty map and try it, I will fix this later

[gentle rose]

I haven't played around with tiled for a while, but can't you just hit the delete key to delete a tile?

[desert crane]

IT WORKS!

[desert crane]

Thank you for all the help, I managed it to spawn (Changed location)

[desert crane]

Doesnt work

[rancid temple]

There's an eraser tool at the top

[desert crane]

I can copy anything with right click on tiled, except the actual empty space, and I don't know where to take it

[rancid temple]

It erases from whatever layer you have selected

[desert crane]

It works! Thanks!

[rancid temple]

Just remember to switch back to the brush before trying to draw again

[desert crane]

Yes I will. Also I didn't know the creator itself was inside this group. I noticed it right now.

You will never read me ConcernedApe but thanks for Stardew Valley!

[teal bridge]

Working with the low-level graphics APIs can be great fun, or at least an interesting challenge, but I'd rather get that challenge from working on a higher-level framework than starting from scratch for every new UI.

My mentality is to learn the low-level libraries in order to build high-level libraries, not to build the final product.

[long reef]

How do I delete a mod if I am playing on another run and I am already married or taken

[brittle ledge]

!mh

[ocean sail]

For help with modding issues, please ask in #1272025932932055121! When asking for assistance there, sharing an error log will help others identify your issue (see https://smapi.io/log for instructions).

To use this command, type !mh.

[long reef]

ok

its fine but I was just wondering

[gentle rose]

that's fine, this is just not the place. If you go to the channel in the embed you can get help there

[tight rivet]

Some mods have three core mods now. I think we've reached a point where core libraries are getting overused, lol.

In any case, I really just popped in to wish every modder a merry christmas if they celebrate!

and if anyone's done anything with any of my mods, let me know so I can give you upload permissions to the mod page

[brittle ledge]

looking back at the mod ideas page, I wonder who all has tagging rights. There's a lot in there but the rate doesn't seem to be too high, so one good sweep would do it for a while

[tender bloom]

I know pathos does

But he has a few other things going on

Just a few

One or two small distractions

[brittle ledge]

yeah no kidding

[wanton pebble]

Pathos is on vacation seeing family

Anyone interrupting him

Shall face the wrath of ten thousand modders

[brittle ledge]

I am not interrupting Pathos to have him tag mod ideas 😛

[wanton pebble]

I know XD

[brittle ledge]

I was semi-volunteering for it but they'd have to let me in and I don't know that they want any idiot who just wandered in to have access

[calm nebula]

You could ask him.

You know

Hey @ivory plume tia is willing to go tag mod ideas. Apparently 😛

Tia, what is your github account?

[brittle ledge]

uhh I think it's just tiakall, lemme check

Yep, tiakall

Huh, it looks like it's just Pathos and Ento

[calm nebula]

Tbh I haven't seen an interesting idea off mod ideas for a long time

But I'm also tired, boring, jaded, and old

And I don't play the game so.

[brittle ledge]

Yeah like what rando submitted this idea

[tame orbit]

Hey guys!
So I want to add a custom building to the Forest map. I know there are tilesets to applied on the Tiled map for this area. I also know that the tilesets are set to change with the seasons (not sure how)
I know adding custom property Light for XY position and light type.
I want my map to have Twinkle/Christmas Lights on the building I'm creating during winter season
My issue is understanding how to get the building tiles to glow solely during the winter season since that is the only time the lights will be attached to the custom building.
I'm having difficulty finding the answer online

[light jasper]

is Pathos working with CA for Haunted Chocolatier Modding? I always wondered

[calm nebula]

[light jasper]

https://xkcd.com/927/

xkcd: Standards

Fortunately, the charging one has been solved now that we've all standardized on mini-USB. Or is it micro-USB? Shit.

[tardy adder]

Guilty 😔

[brittle ledge]

(I think it's a great idea actually and good for anyone who wants to learn special orders or tiled!)

[teal bridge]

What mods have 3 cores? Content Patcher mods?

Like, 3 actual "SomeguyCore" dependencies, or just 3 framework dependencies?

[light jasper]

Cornucopia requires SpaceCore, CustomBush, and ContentPatcher

but I don't think it's that egregious

[brittle ledge]

(I have no idea because I hate maps, but #1277457201077813280 might be a good place to ask, so it doesn't get lost here)

[tardy adder]

If its framework dependencies... uuuuh

I am guilty as charged

[ornate locust]

well, if a Core does it, why do it from scratch if it's something a mod needs? it's what they're there for

[teal bridge]

Yeah, that seems legit enough, given how prevalent CP and SpaceCore are. Probably half of all content mods require at least those two.

[light jasper]

imo smapi should have an option to preinstall SpaceCore and ContentPatcher lmao

[brittle ledge]

I assume they're not talking about frameworks since 1.5 would laugh at "only" three framework dependencies

[teal bridge]

I still don't consider SpaceCore that essential, with respect to Casey. It's obviously hugely important within a certain set of other hugely popular mods, but still not in the same category as CP. I probably would put GMCM into that category since it's just kind of silly to run mods without it.

[calm nebula]

I did dump a handful of very specific ideas I wanted but knew i would not have the time to make

[teal bridge]

But in general, 3 framework dependencies seems like no big deal if it's really 2 "always-present" frameworks + 1 niche framework.

[tender bloom]

We don’t know anything if so (my personal estimate would be no as I think HC is early enough in development that it’s not even on the radar)

[calm nebula]

And I guess when I did that I suspected I would eventually go back and do it myself but

Then life happened, but that is good.

Tbh life happening is a good thing

[velvet narwhal]

i technically have... 3 niche frameworks? all because i don't wanna do it myself

[tardy adder]

I... I shouldn't say anything on framework count

But Spacecore is yummy

[teal bridge]

I think we talked about the difference between DudeCore vs. real Framework mods the other day; personally I think it's good to have useful and well-maintained frameworks that are widely used, not so great to have bespoke frameworks for every author's monorepo.

[tiny zealot]

i would personally like it more if big -core mods did fewer jobs and were more clear about those jobs than being called PersonCore, even though that would lead to higher dependency counts by consumer mods

but that is one person's opinion so Who Cares

[tender bloom]

I used to have opinions but then I got busy

[wanton pebble]

Can be good, can be bad, but I think in yours and my cases it's a good thing at least

[tender bloom]

And now I sort of feel like, as long as it’s semi-maintained and sane whatever

[calm nebula]

I am coming to the terrifying realization I might be able to buy a house!!!!!!

An entire house?

[tame orbit]

thank you!

[velvet narwhal]

tbh my own personcore is literally just me publically putting out the weird shit i have no usage for in my expansion*

[tardy adder]

My personcore is just a list and links to all the core mods almost all my mods seem to use 😅

[tight rivet]

Uh.. One of the Passerby Cemetaries requires SpaceCore, ClownCore and PoohCore on top of the normal core mods

(i.e Content Patcher, etc.)

[teal bridge]

...Clown...Core?

[tight rivet]

yes, the modder behind Passerby Cemetaries is fellowclown IIRC.

[versed wyvern]

You open the mod and twenty other core mods come out

[light jasper]

no that's a clown CAR

[brittle pasture]

tbf clowncore is mainly tilesheets

no C#

[wanton pebble]

Speaking as someone who is about to stop sharing a condo and instead take over the mortgage and own a condo on their own... hell yeah, atra, nice work

[tight rivet]

Congratulations!

[calm nebula]

Yeah, at this point I don't have the bandwidth for much

[tight rivet]

Fair, yeah, I just find it funny that sometimes the mods could just be a shared library bundled with the mod

[teal bridge]

Ya know, if you spent some of the bandwidth you spent telling us how you don't have bandwidth...

[calm nebula]

Congratulations!!!!

[tender bloom]

!!!

[wanton pebble]

Thanks, but I'm much more excited that you can go from not owning a house to owning a house

That's an even bigger and more exciting leap

[tight rivet]

Owning a house has challenges, but it's at least equity and as long as you pay taxes, a place of your own. I'm happy for you

*!

[calm nebula]

(It's more accurate to say that I want to spend my remaining bandwidth elsewhere.)

(I have no desire to make a video game, etc.)

[gentle rose]

(I am also bored and happy to tag ideas if need be btw github username is irocendar. though I should probably get access to the source code repos first before they trust me with this lol)

[teal bridge]

My sarcastic point was regarding the amount of bandwidth spent discussing lack of bandwidth (or lack of desire).

[tender bloom]

I find it easier to drop by for 2 min between stuff on my phone than sitting down with my laptop for an hour to put things together

So I’m still very much around on discord, but super unresponsive on nexus and very slow to post mod updates

I’m not retired, but…

[teal bridge]

Totally understandable. I do the same with some of my projects.

It's not the lack of updates/lack of time/lack of interest that I was making fun of.

[calm nebula]

I'm trapped at an Xmas party

[deep cypress]

Hi luvs! Losing my head... how do you make a year 2 festival appearance stick? I went looking in the usual suspects (Vapius, Expanded), and came up empty...

[desert crane]

I still am wondering about something. Using the mod that create meteorite, create a savefile inside the mod folder. Is this intended?

[tiny zealot]

what do you mean by "stick"? you need to use year variant keys (_y2) for year 2

[deep cypress]

Like, where they show up at the festival.

[tiny zealot]

instead of adding to Set-Up_additionalCharacters, add to Set-Up_additionalCharacters_y2 https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Festival_data#Year_variants

(same goes for MainEvent, if you are doing main event placements)

[deep cypress]

Thanks so much!!!!! (I looked at the wiki, but I bet I looked at the wrong wiki again!!!!!!!!!)

[tiny zealot]

also note that the festival of ice uses Main-Event instead of MainEvent for its additionalCharacters fields, for mysterious reasons

[deep cypress]

Thks!!!!!!

[desert crane]

I'm almost there. But something weird is happening. Even tough the space on the map is free, and should spawn the meteorite, a wood appear instead. Before it was weeds. How could I fix this behaviour?

[tender bloom]

Are you sure there isn’t a pre-existing weeds? I almost wonder if it’s doing a 2 step spawn where step 1 is to spawn all 1x1 debris and step 2 is 2x2

[desert crane]

This is how it looks like on tile. The weeds doesnt appear anymore. Just the wood

[tender bloom]

Huh, weird

Is this with RTF?