making-mods-general

[calm nebula]

I don't care is not in discord api

We will figure it out

[brittle pasture]

the 2 winners here already have different colors than the rest lol

[rancid temple]

Which makes me wonder if there's any other scroll bars that make noise lol

[hard fern]

i knew this fun fact >.<

[uncut viper]

yeah if anything it made the colours less varied

[lucid iron]

cant believe the junimos specifically targeted the ourples

[uncut viper]

SO YOU ADMIT ITS PURPLE

[lucid iron]

i do

[velvet narwhal]

i don't, that shit blue

[lucid iron]

was that a doubt

[brave fable]

icon is purple shorts. ergo is purple role.

[uncut viper]

idk i dont remembver anymore

ive already forgotten my previous role colour

[velvet narwhal]

bluebs was purple shorts, button wasn't shorts yet

[lucid iron]

i think u (were) ourple

[brittle pasture]

wait I thought you were one of the prpl deniers

[uncut viper]

i mightve gotten our positions on it confused

i genuinely have not paid attention to the colour since then

so i dont actually remember if i thought it was blue or purple

[brave fable]

oh, you're colourblind? <-- what colour is this???

[uncut viper]

demetri

[lucid iron]

i looked it up

[velvet narwhal]

demiti

[lucid iron]

i was saying that ur color's css name is blue

which is roughly true

but i dont agree with a system that makes dark gray lighter than gray so

[brittle pasture]

You have no principles smh, meanwhile I will remember a grudge for 20 years+

[uncut viper]

tbf, i mostly just wanted to jump at the chance to reference that convo again

[lucid iron]

oh

[velvet narwhal]

iwillnotbebaitediwillnotbebaitediwillnotbebaited

[lucid iron]

blueberry u can have a paprika icon now

[uncut viper]

my principles are "i go where the bit takes me"

[brave fable]

oh my god you right

[velvet narwhal]

subtle ad for my dialogue mods having good writing ig

[lucid iron]

better put that in ur marlon mod

[uncut viper]

shouldve had marlon look directly into the camera and say "By the way, download my mod for more stories like this."

[velvet narwhal]

where's the fairly odd parents thing one second

i already got like, different authors holding my arm behind my back for the "make marlon date other old people " what's one more

[hard fern]

make marlon date me

[brave fable]

you right. grandpa's single

[hard fern]

...im sure there's a romance marlon mod out there though right

[velvet narwhal]

there's already one yes

mine will definitely not be compatible with it though

[brittle pasture]

unless u play rsv

[hard fern]

[velvet narwhal]

you right, grandma is single

[devout otter]

How does SMAPI purpletext "you can update these mods" thing work, anyway? I erased UpdateKeys from my manifest and it seems to still check the previous Nexus page.

[lucid iron]

what if you change your unique id too

[uncut viper]

i think it might also cross-reference smapi.io/mods?

dont quote me on this

[next plaza]

I think it does as well

[brittle pasture]

though thats only for c# mods right

[lucid iron]

what r u hoping to accomplish dolphin?

[next plaza]

Correct

[lucid iron]

oh casey it seems like spacecore animations go 2x speed in split screen #making-mods-general message
portal mod https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/29310

[next plaza]

Ah, yeah, SpaceCore needs some fixes for split screen

[uncut viper]

feels like you can say that about most mods

[next plaza]

Most mods I've worked on I'm pretty careful with it

[devout otter]

Two things. In my mods there are these: https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/20414?tab=files

The main files has two mods in it and I want to disentangle one of them from update notification. The optional files I just want the manifest key to work, which doesn't seem to be working too.

[lucid iron]

oh i dont think smapi checks for optional files

[brittle pasture]

actually it does check for optional files, but only if its version number is higher

[lucid iron]

you will need to make it either another main file (which has annoyances when ur versions are out of sync) or separate page

[devout otter]

Oh huh. Then I should make it a main file too?

[brittle pasture]

(or I may have misunderstood your statement)

[lucid iron]

well could be that i am wrong yes

[velvet narwhal]

from previous grievances, opt files with higher ver will infer that "main mod can be updated"

[lucid iron]

still i see u got 1.7.0 and 1.0.0

separate page is for the best

[brittle pasture]

see documentation here for update subkeys: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/APIs/Update_checks#Update_subkeys

and for a live example ,see the optional files on this page: https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/22975?tab=files

and yeah you must ensure that the optional files have a lower version number than the main one

[next plaza]

Fixed for next version (hopefully)

[devout otter]

I has basically nothing in it. Not big enough for a separate page. 😔

[lucid iron]

i do see u put @HD

did not not work

[devout otter]

It doesn't, unfortunately.

Weirdly it works for Stardrop.

[velvet narwhal]

good nuff, ship it

[brittle pasture]

huh weird, your file manifest and nexus description looks fine

[lucid iron]

did this feature get yeeted

[velvet narwhal]

if you're talking about vortex? maybe? i haven't been paying attention to the stardew-centric mod manager from vortex tbqh

[brittle pasture]

I literally just checked with my own example, it still works?

[devout otter]

Wait. I changed to my laptop and it works there.

Does SMAPI keep a client-side database, maybe?

[lucid iron]

is ur laptop different os

[devout otter]

Because when I launched it first on my PC I forgot to add the Manifest Key to the mod page description. So maybe SMAPI just checks for manifest key once and remembers it for my PC?

[devout otter]

Both Windows 11.

(Oh sorry for ping..)

[tiny zealot]

some caching is involved with smapi's update checks, to avoid hammering nexus et al

[velvet narwhal]

looks at ichor's role tags, sees cheeto usurps all

[shut bane]

Where is the field for controlling when a seed/tree is available? Like red cabbage is only available year 2 onwards

[brittle pasture]

if you look at seedshop in Data/Shops you can see the condition field for red cabbage seeds

[velvet narwhal]

data/objects and prrrrrrrobably shops

[brittle pasture]

I think crop_year_2 is a purely informational context tag

[velvet narwhal]

fair 'nuff

[devout otter]

I see I see, makes sense. Well, as long as it works for users.

[shut bane]

Well dang. I don't know why I apparently looked everywhere else, but it's in Data/Shops

[brave fable]

what's the c# method to parse a vector2 from a string format of '{X:29 Y:42}'

[shut bane]

I haven't vetted this, but I found a stack overflow post about doing this in C#
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11170541/c-sharp-parsing-a-vector2-from-string

[lucid iron]

u could make newtonsonft.json do it for you

although hm, smapi has that custom thing right

[brave fable]

two methods of doing it and both mean instantiating a serialiser haha

if it's not simple i'll just manually save the v2 to moddata as a space-separated string

[lucid iron]

well if it was me i'd just

[brave fable]

easier that way

[lucid iron]

$"{vec.X},{vec.Y}"

and split ,

cant be worse than alternatives

[brave fable]

i'm sure i could come up with a couple 😌

[calm nebula]

I'll just reinterpret cast the vector as a string thanks

[lucid iron]

man i wish i looked at fish pond draw more during 1.6.9 beta

[velvet narwhal]

is it screwed again

[lucid iron]

theres so much it ought to be using data for

naw

[velvet narwhal]

oh you wanted the miniponds didn't you

[lucid iron]

the only visible bug was the shadow draw thing

would have been good chance alas

nothing a transpiler cant fix (button voice)

[brave fable]

oh you can pack it with string str = $"{tile.X} {tile.Y}"
and unpack it with ArgUtility.TryGetVector2(str?.Split(' '), 0, out Vector2 newTile, out string error)

[uncut viper]

not wrong, though

since when was there a TryGetVector2

[lucid iron]

might be new in 1.6.9

[uncut viper]

i hope so

[lucid iron]

should i nop 4 ops or make a branch

i need to switch this for getsourcerect

// IL_00b2: ldc.i4.0
// IL_00b3: ldc.i4.s 80
// IL_00b5: ldc.i4.s 80
// IL_00b7: ldc.i4.s 80
// IL_00b9: newobj instance void [MonoGame.Framework]Microsoft.Xna.Framework.Rectangle::.ctor(int32, int32, int32, int32)

[brittle pasture]

branch for best compat, yeet them if you're lazy and overconfident like me

[brave fable]

does removing from the list not preserve branches?

i may or may not have a clickcraftingrecipe transpiler that tears out all the seasoning behaviour entirely

[tiny zealot]

at this point, who doesn't have a clickcraftingrecipe transpiler

[uncut viper]

i don't and never will

[brittle pasture]

smh you're not a real modmaker /s

[tiny zealot]

(i probably won't either)

[brave fable]

you're missing out

[tiny zealot]

joke's on you selph i already know i'm not real

[uncut viper]

who needs a transpiler when you can just poll every tick to see if they crafted something and then just edit the item in their hand instead

[lucid iron]

isnt that just

[brittle pasture]

jokes on you YACS adds to inventory directly

[lucid iron]

smapi inventory changed

[brittle pasture]

fak

[uncut viper]

this may surprise you but the inventory can be changed by more than just crafting

[lucid iron]

well, bseides not really being able to tell if its new

u would listen the event on menu open and unlisten on menu close

[uncut viper]

wouldn't work

you can still receive items with the menu open

[brave fable]

what if you have a tile action in the world that goes to clickcraftingrecipe directly huh

[uncut viper]

from other sources

[uncut viper]

doesn't fit my definition of crafting and therefore it's not in scope. Marked as won't fix

[velvet narwhal]

shrimply avoid it all and make it into machines that take multiple inputs

[uncut viper]

im more fond of the idea of having to talk to an NPC who will quickQuestion you to ask what you want her to craft for you, who will then take your items and give you a new crafted one in return

via dialogue commands and $action

[brave fable]

why are you looking at my ideas

[tardy adder]

I am probably using "leclair.morenightlyevents_ForceEvent [event]" wrong
https://smapi.io/log/97d1dec080434071afac83ba972673c5

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.7 with SDV 1.6.14 build 24317 on Microsoft Windows 10 Home, with 18 C# mods and 7 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[uncut viper]

because you have good ones

[next plaza]

flashback to the MCN crafting system

[uncut viper]

or great minds think alike or w/e

[brittle pasture]

with enough dialogue branches and if you dont care about compat you wouldnt even need C# at all!

[next plaza]

(It was gonna be like Rune Factory does)

[uncut viper]

dont forget dynamic tokens too 😌

i was more thinking of specific items anyway

ive never played rune factory so means nothin to me unfortunately

[uncut viper]

i dont know how more nightly events works so im not sure id be able to tell what exactly is wrong but you should post your json too

[calm nebula]

Please, write a stamina skill mod

Where you level up by getting steps on your phone

[brittle pasture]

fitness skill tree, two branches at level 5: cardio vs strength

what will you pick

[next plaza]

Brb adding skills for literally everything like Rune Factory

[velvet narwhal]

i mean technically you could with stepsTaken right?

[rancid temple]

Increased stamina or damage?

[calm nebula]

And a knitting mod where you have to knit the sweater irl

[velvet narwhal]

just every threshold gives a +1 stat

[next plaza]

Swords? Yes. Damage Resistance? Yes. Walking, sleeping, and eating? Also yes

[velvet narwhal]

"standing there, menacingly? yes"

[brave fable]

more runescape skills in sdv would be funny. firemaking somehow even more useless than before

[next plaza]

You might think I'm joking or being silly

https://therunefactory.fandom.com/wiki/Skills_(RF4)#Life

[calm nebula]

Cardiooo

[velvet narwhal]

i played rf5 and was not happy with the gameplay loop

[next plaza]

For those that don't want to click the link:

[tardy adder]

me going to change ze trigger action a bit, see if it works first ><

[next plaza]

I tried RF5 and couldn't get into it like I did 4, but by that point I had already started having problems sticking with games for a while

[brave fable]

do the Sleeping and Resist Sleep skills cancel eachother out

[calm nebula]

You have to do kt all irl

[rancid temple]

I would be 100% dead

[calm nebula]

I fail sleeping

[brittle pasture]

Vaguely reminds me of https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Skill#Professions

[next plaza]

Resist Sleep is from status effects - sleeping against your will 😅

[rancid temple]

I don't do any of those three properly lmao

[brave fable]

bathing skill???

Skill that increases when you take a bath.

[velvet narwhal]

yeah make sure you scrub your bum

[next plaza]

Well sure, if you've never bathed before you probably wouldn't do a good job at it /s

[brave fable]

unskilled bathers will never maximise their vitality

[velvet narwhal]

level 0 means you miss spots, much like when you come out of the shower and you rub your skin and you get that wet dirt

[rancid temple]

The higher your bathing skill the more friendship you get for talking to NPC's every day

[velvet narwhal]

npcs just straight up don't talk to you if you have low bathing skill, new hardcore mode

[tardy adder]

            "kath.weathering_NadoSummoned": {
                "Id": "kath.weathering_NadoSummoned",
                "Trigger": "spacechase0.SpaceCore_OnItemUsed",
                "Condition": "ITEM_ID Input Totem.tornado",
                "MarkActionApplied": false,
                "Actions": [
                    "leclair.morenightlyevents_ForceEvent kath.weathering_NadoSummonedDanger",
                    "spacechase0.SpaceCore_PlaySound thunder local",
                    "spacechase0.SpaceCore_ShowHudMessage \"{{i18n: Totembroken}}\" (O)TotemBlank",
                    ],
                },    
            "kath.weathering_VolcanoSummon": {
                "Id": "kath.weathering_VolcanoSummon",
                "Trigger": "spacechase0.SpaceCore_OnItemUsed",
                "Condition": "ITEM_ID Input Totem.eruption",
                "MarkActionApplied": false,
                "Actions": [
                    "leclair.morenightlyevents_ForceEvent {{VolcanoSummonPower}}",
                    "spacechase0.SpaceCore_PlaySound KathQuake local",
                    "spacechase0.SpaceCore_ShowHudMessage \"{{i18n: Totembroken}}\" (O)TotemBlank",
                    ],
                },

[next plaza]

Well, the max skill level was 999 for each skill (except for all the individual crafting ones) according to google, so good luck with that

[tardy adder]

it's outta a long list, the other actions work 9-9 so I probably need to ask Khloe

[rancid temple]

Are RF games supposed to be fun?

[next plaza]

I don't think you're meant to max out everything 😛

There's a story

It's much less sandboxy than stardew

[rancid temple]

Psh, if number go up, I must

[next plaza]

I enjoyed RF4 a lot back when I played it on 3ds

[velvet narwhal]

tbh with the downfall of harvest moon is the reason why stardew is still the most popular farming sim

[brave fable]

this does sound more and more like runescape

[rancid temple]

I mean, I tried to play Harvest Moon again as an adult, it doesn't age well lmao

[velvet narwhal]

i still want the grand bazaar feature as a mod

although i think someone made ...a restauranteur one?

[calm nebula]

Radio frequency 4

Brrrrrr

[brave fable]

Cooking
Higher skill levels increase the number of recipes you can use, and makes it easier to learn new ones.
what do you mean makes it easier to learn cooking recipes

[rancid temple]

The more you cook, the better you get at cooking, so I've heard

[next plaza]

Oh yeah

That was fun

Recipe bread

[sweet sphinx]

there better be a bathroom in the farmhouse then for this

[sweet sphinx]

I ain't walking my tired lil butt all the way to the mountain just to bathe

[rancid temple]

Gotta ask fireredlily to install one for you

[brave fable]

i'm sorry what do you mean eating plain bread inspires me to learn new recipes

[next plaza]

I don't see it on this wiki page but you also had to be certain levels of cooking for certain recipes, or the bread wouldn't give it to you

[velvet narwhal]

hard(tack) times call for desperate measures

[next plaza]

Cooking Bread, not just any old bread

[brave fable]

visions of complicated banquets unfold in my mind as i gnaw on stale bread

[rancid temple]

If you eat enough plain bread, the depression of eating plain bread will inspire you to do anything to stop eating plain bread

[sweet sphinx]

XD

[rancid temple]

This I know from experience actually

[velvet narwhal]

i just implement cooking bread but it just sends you cooking recipes you're missing

[sweet sphinx]

you're wack, I hecking love plain bread, and buttered bread(and toast)

[next plaza]

Also it's not just cooking if I remember correctly

[brave fable]

this seems more like thinking bread than cooking bread

[calm nebula]

I'm really sorry but what

It doesn't help that rf is radio frequency

[rancid temple]

This game is wild lmao

[next plaza]

Every crafting type has a corresponding recipe bread

[brave fable]

??? ? ?? ?

[tiny zealot]

hey everybody what the hell is going on

[rancid temple]

Someone is obsessed with bread on that dev team

It's #making-mods-off-topic hours

[tardy adder]

@rancid musk Sorry for the ping, but I believe I am stumped with MNE's "leclair.morenightlyevents_ForceEvent" and perhaps I might be using it wrongly as the events do load correctly and can call them with mne_test. Also wanted to ask for CS Critters, what are the parameters of Chance?

[calm nebula]

We're apparently designing irl the game

You level up by sleeping

I do bad at this

[next plaza]

(ie. there's also Accessory Bread and Medicine Bread)

[tiny zealot]

you level up by sleeping in stardew, too, it's fine

[calm nebula]

what bread

[brave fable]

incredible that i can live out my wildest fantasies in Rune Factory IV by eating bread and sleeping

[calm nebula]

accessory bread, a bread earing?

[rancid temple]

Gachapon bread

[brave fable]

gacha-pan 🍞

[hard fern]

i wish real bread could teach me life skills

[next plaza]

Me toooo

[calm nebula]

I have learned a lot from making bread

like.

patience. is a virture

[next plaza]

(Though to be fair in RF4 the bread only taught you recipes - you still had to level up the skill yourself)

[calm nebula]

and don't fucking start bread at 8pm you will regret it

[next plaza]

Like, if eating some bread taught you the blueprint for a time machine, you wouldn't suddenly understand how to make it

(I guess time machine comes to mind because I'm watching doctor who right now 😛 )

[lucid iron]

making-breads-general

[tiny zealot]

that is a channel i would visit

[brave fable]

baking-mods

[calm nebula]

Do u like garlic bread

Or are you a heaten

[lucid iron]

i like the bread with the swirly red bean

[calm nebula]

I like mantou

[lucid iron]

that seems like

chaotic neutral on the bread alignment chart

[brave fable]

i like bread

[true coyote]

well, I've recolored the sve small hardwood fence to my liking but now... I am unsure of what to do next to implement it. That's probably a task for tomorrow me

[rancid musk]

1. Chance is just a number between 0 and 1. Higher number = more spawns, smaller = less spawns. The logic is a little convoluted because it mirrors the base game's spawn chances.

2. I have no idea what would be breaking about the trigger action for you. It does basically exactly the same thing as mne_test (also I thought I still needed to update that mod for 1.6.9+?)

[tardy adder]

MNE works for 1.6.9+ as far as I've been testing except for the trigger action not wanting to trigger

[wheat finch]

Can I do multiple $action triggers on the same dialogue? i.e. $action AddFriendshipPoints <NPC name> <count> $action AddItem <item ID> [count] [quality] There's probably formatting I'm missing to make it work?

[velvet narwhal]

i think you'll need #$action but i'll have to go check

[tiny zealot]

i think it's one $action per piece, so you need # between them, but i'm not sure

[wheat finch]

TY both. I've got 8 tabs open right now to piece together all the parts I've been working on for this mod update lol. Going cross-eyed at this point.

[velvet narwhal]

i can't even remember which one of my mods had the dual action so gimme a sec

[rancid temple]

Oh hey look, an example

I'm actually really surprised that was on there lmao

It's on the trigger actions page of all places

[wheat finch]

I have to iterations of the trigger actions page open rn and didn't see it 🤦‍♀️

[rancid temple]

It's like right above the C# section lol

I honestly would not have expected it to be there

[wheat finch]

Wait. Can I use %item quest <quest ID> true %% in mail? Or does it have to be the trigger action %action AddMail <player> <mail ID> [type]? Migration guide says the latter was added but the mail page still lists the former. Will either work? I'm using the former currently (haven't opened the game to do a test) but now I'm lost.

[velvet narwhal]

p sure you can do either or

[tiny zealot]

in most cases, whatever used to work still does

[tardy adder]

Well... time to do it in my convoluted way, abuse the trigger actions

[tardy adder]

Remind me in 8 hours to abuse of the trigger actions and change the totem call again, and to recheck the animal edit and schedule

[patent lance]

Got it, 13midnight (#6362909) (8h | <t:1731674267>)

[lucid iron]

i need a mod that let you just keep putting signs in signs

[versed wyvern]

Is there a way to update an NPC's outfit/appearance immediately upon triggering some requirement or mod event, like, hypothetically, giving them a new outfit item? During testing I noticed that if I used a cheat to change the season NPCs would only re-evaluate their seasonal outfits when they changed locations so I'm a mite concerned we can't change them in real-time

[uncut viper]

NPCs only re-check their appearances on location change, that is correct

[versed wyvern]

And we haven't found any way to get around that?

[uncut viper]

theyre not supposed to in vanilla, theres nothing to get around. you can force them to update it with a mod, but you can already do whatever you want with C# anyway

you could try just editing their sprite/portrait sheets directly i suppose but thats different from the appearances system

and it'd need to be OnTimeChanged

so still not always instant

[latent mauve]

Button beat me to what I was gonna say xD

[uncut viper]

and not so great for performance

[latent mauve]

Better option: Give them the item and have them respond like "I'll wear it tomorrow" so that it won't have to trigger immediately. >_>

[versed wyvern]

That's what I meant, there's no way with base/CP modding functions to force an update, it's gonna need whole new coding?

[uncut viper]

technically my mod BETAS does have an action that will force update their appearance immediately however it doesnt sync with farmhands

there is no way to do it with content patcher alone, no

[brave fable]

i suppose the question to ask is 'what're you trying to make your character do'

[versed wyvern]

Well, shucks. Thanks for the info, anyhoo

[uncut viper]

make them put on a necklace or sunglasses or something, i assume

or similar accessory

[latent mauve]

If this is for an event, you might be able to use a temp sprite change, but outside of that... yeah, you're bound to the OnLocationChange logic with the appearances system.

[uncut viper]

lotsa reasons i can think of for wanting to update their appearance after talkin to em

[brave fable]

really if i gave an npc an accessory or a shirt i wouldn't expect them to wear it until the next day anyway, unless they're gonna get changed right in front of me

which you know, maybe we have like 8 hearts. maybe they're cool with it

[uncut viper]

if i gave someone a necklace i would be surprised if they didnt try it on

[latent mauve]

If I gave someone a necklace and wanted them to try it on, I'd code it as an event

[versed wyvern]

Ye, the specific thing I was thinking of doing was adding a contact lenses item that could be given to Harvey and Maru to enable a glasses-less portrait but then I started thinking about more general use cases too

[latent mauve]

I feel like that only happening on a location change would be a pretty minor nitpick

[knotty phoenix]

putting on contact lenses is a whole production tbh

[latent mauve]

Most users likely wouldn't care if they had to enter the room and come back in.

[versed wyvern]

Yeah there are ways around it, like the original plan was just to switch "later" or "tomorrow", just felt like the ideal implementation for this kind of thing would have been an immediate change

[latent mauve]

Could even reason it as a "could you step outside for a minute while I try them on? It'll only take a minute."

To prompt the player to walk away and back in

[versed wyvern]

It's actually the NPC who has to change location

[brave fable]

"could i step outside for a minute to try them on"

[latent mauve]

^

[brave fable]

"in like an hour or two"

[latent mauve]

But for the spritesheet conditional patch (not Appearance system), that would actually be on player location change

So either way works

[lucid iron]

does event not count as location change for purpose of appearnce

big n awful transpiler

[latent mauve]

I honestly have no clue

[versed wyvern]

Ooh wait, this means you've already done most of the heavy lifting for any mod author who wants to implement immediate outfit changes? That's very cool

[hard fern]

is this the fish pond dilemma 🤔

[uncut viper]

as long as you don't mind farmhands being potentially out of sync!

[velvet narwhal]

It should, it applies my overlays with a onlocationchange update rate

[versed wyvern]

My base assumption with modded playthroughs is that something broke multiplayer along the way already so that's cool with me

[valid folio]

Hello again. I am confused. I don't understand how the selling prices of the objects work, I put an item in my mod with a selling price of 100 and in the game it appeared 550, I went out, edited the mod and put 550 as selling price, I loaded the mod and it appeared in the game with a price of 100.

By selling price I mean the price at which I sell it, not the price at which I buy it.

[latent mauve]

Sell price is coded to be half the price you buy it at, right?

I vaguely remember that being how it is determined

But then, some shops also have their own Price Modifiers that apply

[uncut viper]

the price you sell it at is just the price in the object data

its the other way around, that shops are coded to sell at twice that price

[latent mauve]

ah, gotcha. Wiki misled me then

[uncut viper]

not accounting for additional modifiers like Pierre with another 2x

the end result is the same so its more just semantics

assuming you dont set shop prices specifically anyway

it does matter at that point

[merry nexus]

anyone got any tips for getting into designing farms?

[valid folio]

So if I put 1000 it should appear 1000? I don't understand why another value appears

[uncut viper]

if you put 1000 in the object data then you will get 1000 when you put it in the shipping bin or whatever

[brittle pasture]

did you make sure to trash all existing instances of that object before reloading

[valid folio]

I modified the price again and now the correct value appears, that is to say the one I put in json file. I have no idea what happened before

[uncut viper]

items that already existed will not update

[valid folio]

Yes, in fact I created it again, since I didn't save the game anyway, it didn't make sense to save it if I was going to have to re-create the object to see if it reflected the correct price.

[valid folio]

It still does not make sense because I only modified one object to test, the others I did not alter and they still appeared with the wrong price and now those same objects that I had not modified now have the correct price, too.

[uncut viper]

its possible that you'd just forgotten to save the file the first time, maybe

or didnt do a patch reload if you didnt close the game

[unique sigil]

!mapmaking

[ocean sail]

If you want to make mods that add or edit maps:

1. Use Tiled to edit .tmx or .tbin files.

2. Refer to the Maps wiki page for details on how maps work in Stardew Valley.

3. Content Patcher allows you to create custom locations through editing Data/Locations

4. Vanilla Maps can be edited via Content Patcher as well: EditMap

To use this command, type !mapmaking.

[tardy adder]

Remind me in 12 hours to do retexture obelisk and Kisaa's channel, and to stop scope creeping

[patent lance]

https://imgur.com/gs8Db9t (#6362989) (12h | <t:1731692116>)

[unique sigil]

@merry nexus getting into designing farms to me is just the desire to cook my own food. also, take the time to learn how to do stuff from other people's farm maps, and learn how Farm Type Manager works if you want your farms to spawn ores, forage, etc.

https://github.com/Esca-MMC/FarmTypeManager?tab=readme-ov-file#large-object-spawn-settings

[valid folio]

I know I saved the file because the price of the modified item had changed every time I modified it, it was not the correct one but it had changed and I did close the game together with SMAPI.

Anyway thanks for the help, the community of this discord is always helping me, as I did before, when I upload the mod I will mention them in general because I don't remember all who helped me but it is really appreciated.

[merry nexus]

ooo oki ty!

[valid folio]

Good night, It's time for me to go to bed 😁

[unique sigil]

np! feel free to ping me if you have any mapmaking questions!

[fossil bear]

hey does someone know the ID for "The Wind Can Be Still" during winter?

I thought its cyclops but my music doesnt change.

nevermint its winter2

nevermind*

[round dock]

Question, can eventSeen_n_memory_n dialogue fall under Marriage dialogue or is it strictly under regular dialogue? Thank you

[hallow prism]

i don't think so, the latest added was cyanotype, i don't remember when it was added but it was possibly part of initial release

[long jungle]

Hello! Does anyone here have any experience on modifying monster spawn rates?

I am not aiming to make new monster types or make them spawn where they don't normally spawn,

I only need to increase the base spawn rate permanently. Like how a Monster Musk does, but permanently and not player-dependent.

[rancid temple]

Interesting, I can't even find eventSeen on the wiki, I'm still waking up so I might just be doing something wrong. I do see it in the dialogue files, but not in any marriage dialogue so I'm guessing probably not but when I get back home I can try checking the decompile

[round dock]

You’re a blessing roku i just yoinked it at regular dialogue instead and set a When condition as per Avi’s instructions

(not sure if what I’m doing is right but I did put the custom gift dialogue over there, too)

[rancid temple]

Well if Avi says it I'm inclined to believe it'll work I don't have any experience with NPC's to pull from for this lol

[rancid temple]

I feel like I'm missing some part of this, can't find where any of this is actually being used lol

[patent lance]

@tardy adder: abuse of the trigger actions and change the totem call again, and to recheck the animal edit and schedule (8h ago)

[tardy adder]

AH RIGHT

The trigger actions

[calm nebula]

Steam says fhere is a cooking fest

A bluebs may be interested?

[modern sand]

Is there such a thing as a mobile mod maker?

Or is there just no more modding on mobile?

[tiny zealot]

mobile (android) mods used to be a thing but it is doubtful they ever will be again

[modern sand]

That sucks

[tiny zealot]

sorry to be the bearer of bad news

[modern sand]

Yeah it’s sad because it could have happened but it’s been left behind

[woeful lintel]

kind of a hell to maintain both a PC and mobile version of all modding tools and mods...

[tardy adder]

Why dis brown cow always warn me about the sprite when I am not even changing you >->

[hard fern]

how do i make an npc "locked" for romance until a certain point? is it something like just writing something to change that part of their disposition upon meeting conditions?

[slender badger]

Yep, you just have a patch editing the CanBeRomanced field with a When condition

Although keep in mind that that'll allow players to reach 10 hearts with them if they haven't met the conditions yet, so you'll want to also lock any 8 or 10 heart romantic dialogue or events behind a dating check

Here's the code I did for Don't Date Relatives, which does the opposite (changes them to non-romanceable if the condition is met) but you can just flip the false to true

        {
            "LogName": "Haley Datable Change",
            "Action": "EditData",
            "Target": "Data/Characters",
            "Fields": 
            {
                "Haley": 
                {
                    "CanBeRomanced": false
                }
            },
            "When": 
            {
                "Relationship:Emily |contains= Dating, Married, Divorced": true,
            }
        },

[rancid temple]

I'm over here trying to figure out how to avoid checking how many stardrops the player has too frequently, meanwhile base game is checking it in draw whenever you have the skill page open

[true coyote]

ree why does this AT file work but mine set up the same way doesnt

[rancid temple]

AT finnicky

[gaunt orbit]

@pine elbow could be done with c# without too much difficulty I think. would be much more complicated to do it with CP

(though getting it to work automatically with other mods could be trickier)

[fickle garden]

is there any mod with similar functionality to scale up 2 and hd portraits? (cant use portraiture plus because i dont think itll work for my mod)

[rancid temple]

I think those are the three really lol

[fickle garden]

thats what i was afraid of lmao thanks

[rancid temple]

Technically, none of Portraitures content pack stuff is working, so it's only able to be used for the drop in Portrait folder method

[tiny zealot]

looking to add an item to a shop for one-time sale. there's a real Data/Objects entry behind it, but i would like it to vanish and set a mail flag when purchased, sort of like the key to the town from qi's gem shop. i can set the mail flag via ActionsOnPurchase, but is there a way in the shop data to have it not give you the item?

[rancid temple]

Scale Up 2 uses CP though, so it has all of CP's functionality backing it up

[fickle garden]

rip, i cant use portraiture because I have a lot of seasonal outfit variations so relying on just _season wasn't enough for my purposes

[calm nebula]

Look at how special items work

Like thr class SpecialItem

[tiny zealot]

this is a SMAPI mod, so if i have to i'll implement my own action for it or get up to more invasive business

[calm nebula]

Iirc

This is safe to subclass since it won't hit the serializer

[tiny zealot]

i just prefer to use data when it's available

actually maybe i can implement the inventory trigger or whatever it is, like when you get qi gems in your inventory they disappear and go into your currency value

[gaunt orbit]

does portraiture not work with the 1.6 outfit system?

[brittle pasture]

Does trigger action happen before or after the item enters inventory
Since there's RemoveItem

if before then rip

[tiny zealot]

actions run when you click to purchase, but when you buy items they are held and not in your inventory yet iirc

[fickle garden]

i dont think so, at least last time i poked it, because I have 2 different outfits per season and it wont recognize _winter1 or _winter2 png names or anything like that

[brittle pasture]

Item Extensions has a "on being held" trigger

[rancid temple]

You can patch Object.actionWhenPurchased and do what stardrops do lmao

[calm nebula]

(You can even subclass for that)

Because it never hits the serializer

[fickle garden]

if its possible to conditionally patch one over the other that'd be cool, but i thought portrait just read png files

[tiny zealot]

yeah, one of those, or hook into whatever walnuts/qi gems do to go poof. thanks, all

[brittle pasture]

this is assuming we want to stick with CP as much as possible, because yeah I'd just patch lol

[gaunt orbit]

I think for shops it's so that way you can purchase non-physical items, but everything else normally uses that one method that runs when stuff gets put in a slot

[rancid temple]

Portraiture is fairly specific about which portraits it'll override

[gaunt orbit]

I forget the name but I've patched it for other stuff before

[tiny zealot]

oh, i'm well into patch territory for the rest of the mod's business. i just like to use data when possible

[true coyote]

ha got it

[brittle pasture]

Farmer.OnItemReceived?

[gaunt orbit]

that's the one

[fickle garden]

time for nightly "i hope this mod updates" prayers

[calm nebula]

Tbh I don't think it's an issue to handle this stuff in the code

Data is good for when you want data modders to perhaps change a thing in your mod

[rancid temple]

Portraiture?

[fickle garden]

scale up 2 or hd portraits

[gaunt orbit]

addToInventoryBehavior or whatever it's called is also useful, because you can supress pickup messages and make it so you can pick it up with a full inventory

[rancid temple]

Uhh, pretty sure Scale Up 2 still works in the latest

I don't have any errors for it and I'm using it

[fickle garden]

nah i just checked it it doesn't seem to work, it has no errors, but doesnt work in practice

[gaunt orbit]

hs portraits isn't 1.6-ready yet

[fickle garden]

there is a comment under scale up 2's page saying it doesn't work for them either

[fickle garden]

yeah

[rancid temple]

Yeah I don't trust users

[fickle garden]

lol fair

well i can definitely say my patches applied prior to the new game updates

[brittle pasture]

hmm maybe the spacecore virtual currency thing

[calm nebula]

@outer glacier

[pine elbow]

anyone know how I would even begin to implement a bilingual mod? I'm learning Hungarian but I'd like all the strings to display both English and Hungarian

[wooden junco]

Thank you lol

[tender bloom]

You’d need to mess HEAVILY with a lot of the text display systems

I would pick one place text is displayed and start there

Dialogue, for example—and just start reading the decompile

See if you can get it to use both fonts at once as a start maybe

[drowsy pewter]

English can be typed with Hungarian font so you could possibly implement a custom Hungarian language with much smaller font (to prevent dialogue crowding) and just type every string twice. It's not gonna look good but the alternative is doing witchcraft with C#

It doesnt sound like an easy or fun project either way

[pine elbow]

😂😭😭😭 totally fine with it not looking good

[drowsy pewter]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Custom_languages

[pine elbow]

there's not a way for me to tell the game to output every string twice? once in English then again in Hungarian?

[rancid temple]

Forgot I had disabled it while I transitioned to SVE but I just turned it back on and it's still working for me

[drowsy pewter]

No there isnt

[fickle garden]

op

can you link me the mod for that? wanna cross compare our code lol

[pine elbow]

is that because of the way Stardew is coded and outputs strings?

[fickle garden]

(also thanks for checking!!)

[drowsy pewter]

Before I answer questions further do you have any programming/C# knowledge?

[rancid temple]

I'll upload it to the validator, it's one I made lol

[pine elbow]

very limited, used to have more but it's been years

[tardy adder]

Ok then >:|

[rancid temple]

Aside from the portraits, another reason I can't just release it lol

[fickle garden]

tysm

[rancid temple]

https://smapi.io/json/none/0d0b219da3d746af94f837b788f17477

[fickle garden]

yeah i can see why lmao

[fickle garden]

oh my god youre going to laugh

i didnt have scale up installed...

[gaunt orbit]

[rancid temple]

Oh that would do it

[fickle garden]

i guess i accidentally deleted it when updating all my mods just earlier

time to reboot

[rancid temple]

I have definitely been in the process of deleting mods to install their updates and then just forgot to move the new one in

[fickle garden]

even worse when you realize there was no scale up update

[gaunt orbit]

the magic of stardrop ~

[fickle garden]

maybe i butterfingered updating spacecore

LOL

[fickle garden]

manual just hits diff...

[drowsy pewter]

So hypothetically it's possible for you but you'd need to figure out a lot of stuff. Maybe one of the C# modders has a specific idea but like elizabeth said you'll also have to think about what you want the actual output to look like and figure out the text display stuff. I don't think its as simple as just "telling the game to do this"

because the "how do i tell the game to do this" is what making a mod involves figuring out LOL

[fickle garden]

wow scale up 2 suddenly started working... i wonder why.... haha.......

welp ty for listening to my booboothefoolery

[gaunt orbit]

To get it working with vanilla, you could potentially load both language files, and then use an asset editor to combine them.
to work with mods, though, is a little more complicated, since most of them use SMAPI's language service and ignore the language of the asset. I don't know for sure, since I haven't looked at that part of SMAPI's internals, but I strongly suspect you would need to use harmony to change how that works

[fickle garden]

mystery solved

[rancid temple]

Works out, now I know for sure that it's still working instead of just assuming lol

[drowsy pewter]

Hey gervig!

[rancid temple]

Ugh, why do I keep finding out my mods are broken so long after I updated and fixed them

[chrome mountain]

Can someone help me out with some NPC stuff? I have this anti-social NPC called Goldie. For some reason if a game is started in some languages, for example chinese. Goldie will spawn at Town (29, 67). But if the game is either started in english or changed to english, Goldie is moved to the correct location at Gervig91.StardewAquariumCP_FishMuseum (15, 46).
Content.json for NPCs: https://smapi.io/json/none/b05f378fccf14c90b343b41a737d9912
chinese translation file for NPCs: https://smapi.io/json/none/8cd6cb9c5eb440d9bd1226d7ea9616d5
SMAPI log where I load and change languages and check where Goldie is using where is <npcName>: https://smapi.io/log/db2efb8292ec40759c0bc6d8a30c2697

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.7 with SDV 1.6.14 build 24317 on Microsoft Windows 11 Home, with 41 C# mods and 20 content packs.

[calm nebula]

On the chiense translation file

Line 7

Replace "Entries" with "Fields"

[chrome mountain]

Thank you atra! that fixed it

[pine elbow]

lol that makes sense, thanks for the explanation. im okay with some really subpar output from a design perspective. I've implemented (not made) similar mods for the Witcher, cyberpunk, and baldurs gate, so I imagined Stardew would be a lot simpler (having not designed those mods myself but having some understanding of how they worked and were designed)

[pine elbow]

super down for vanilla only compatibility

[lucid iron]

Oh it's the bilingual sdv problem once more

[pine elbow]

and yes my understanding is the similar mods I've seen in other games do this or something like this

[lucid iron]

The reason why it is hard is cus sdv only loads 1 locale's content at a time

[calm nebula]

You can actually load another locale fine

It's doable just annoying

For vanilla

For modded it isn't happening

[lucid iron]

Yeah smapi has its own locale i18n thing

[gaunt orbit]

you could probably harmony your way into it with mods, but it sounds unfun

[lucid iron]

But hm is Hungarian a supported language rn

[pine elbow]

totally fine. I had envisioned modding in more Hungarian specific words like dishes and what not I need to learn (I just moved to Budapest, my great grandfather was Hungarian, working towards citizenship) but that's a whole other endeavor

[fossil osprey]

I think their goal was to show both language at the same time for learning purposes

Which is a very good idea on the paper and would be awesome as a flexible framework, but that indeed would require tremendous amounts of work

Oh now that I think about it, you know what you be absolutely awesome? Being able to hover over a word and have a tooltip showing the word translated into another language

[lucid iron]

Yes I understood that part

But I wasn't sure if sdv has a hungarian translation

[fossil osprey]

Oh, I'm the one who misunderstood xD
I thought you said it was already supported, because maybe you thought they wanted to add it ^^'

[tardy adder]

ok I think I have finally fixed the volcano eruption I had broken

Let me not touch this again

[drowsy pewter]

someone was working on that but it was difficult

[drowsy pewter]

yes, you can look it up

[hard fern]

this might sound weird, but.. ;-; is there a way to specify specifically like... 60 millisecond pause in an event

idk im looking at the stuff on the wiki and

am so confused

[rancid temple]

Isn't pause in milliseconds?

[hard fern]

it is, but it says here that 400 = 4 milliseconds

but apparently 4000 is 4 seconds.

[gaunt orbit]

hmmmmm

[rancid temple]

Yes, 4000 is 4 seconds. What is this from?

[hard fern]

https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Events_For_Babies

[tiny zealot]

the pause command takes milliseconds, so pause 60 will do this, but:

1. don't rely on it being exactly 60, due to infelicities
2. other commands around it may insert their own implicit pauses, so you may need to tinker depending on your script to get it to feel right

[wheat finch]

Tried to test the update to my mod and it couldn't apply the mail patch because of reasons my tired brain is struggling to remember. JSON https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/052b298dfdb44be8be27ec88fc3be3aa and log https://smapi.io/log/85b34a9b5de045d8890122fb0ae48525 Can't apply because failed to convert entry? Do I have to have all the commands inside the i18n? Is that why it's annoyed?

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.7 with SDV 1.6.14 build 24317 on macOS Unix 12.7.6, with 17 C# mods and 5 content packs.

[brittle pasture]

Your When block is inside the Entries block

[tiny zealot]

your mail edits have "When" at the wrong level

[brittle pasture]

move it outside

[rancid temple]

When goes on the same level as Action

[hard fern]

😔

[rancid temple]

It's a condition for the patch block to exist in its entirety

[wheat finch]

TY. This is what I get for editing when tired and waiting for the sleep aid to kick in.

[tiny zealot]

"FriendshipLevel" also sounds off to me as a CP token. is this a conversion from MFM, maybe?

[wheat finch]

Conversion from quest framework. Will double checkt he when token after this meeting.

[rancid temple]

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/tokens.md#relationships

Hearts most likely is what you'll want

Also the Krobus 10 is wrong format for CP When too

The page I linked has an example for Hearts though

[patent lance]

@tardy adder: do retexture obelisk and Kisaa's channel, and to stop scope creeping (12h ago)

[rancid temple]

The urge to yeet this fucking transpiler and just do a skipping prefix is biting me hard today

[tardy adder]

ah shoot I had forgotten the sprites

[next plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[deep cypress]

Is anyone else having crazy lag?

[latent mauve]

where?

In game, on NexusMods, in Discord?

[rancid temple]

Wiki for me lmao

[latent mauve]

In life for me right now, lower back pain hit me hard

[deep cypress]

Game

Like crazy lag.

[rancid temple]

Kind of a hard thing to compare since everyone has pretty wildly different mod lists

And hardware set ups

[lucid iron]

do u mean nexus lag

which is happening yes

[rancid temple]

I haven't noticed any difference in frames or delay over the last couple patches

[hard fern]

my game has always been lag

[rancid temple]

Playing right now to test my prefix, running smooth

[deep cypress]

Game lag... I got lots of new lag. Am trying to figure out what happened...

[rancid temple]

Really mad that this prefix worked immediately when I don't know how I fucked up my transpiler lol

[lucid iron]

tbh i always feel that the hardest part of transpiler is never writing the il

more making sure im putting it in right place

[deep cypress]

The beauty of prefix!!! I love those!

[lucid iron]

crimes

[deep cypress]

Be Gay Do Prefix.

[lucid iron]

anyways apryll try using profiler to see what is big loop?

[deep cypress]

profiler is in VS, yes?

[lucid iron]

nah the mod

sinz profiler

[deep cypress]

I see! Will get it.

[rancid temple]

Yeah, normally when I mess up the IL it's relatively easy to fix, it's when I forget to do stuff like move labels that's a problem lol

Not entirely sure what I did wrong here, half of my transpiler is still working correctly

Trying to figure out what I changed/if this method changed somehow

[tardy adder]

I has a question from a friend, is it possible to {{TOKEN}} a context tag in your own modded object?

[brittle pasture]

yeah you can

[tardy adder]

😄

thanky selph

[next plaza]

Someone asks for help with SpaceCore not loading saying they already updated everything and gave a log.

They did not, in fact, update everything. (SMAPI as well as two unrelated mods)

[lofty ruin]

Okay so I was recommended to try i18n for random dialogue choices for scheduled dialogue but it's not working as intended

tokens.json https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/62061081a963457d87daa70c1b25f7a7

content.json https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/6cd44e5b931f4c9b945e098e4a2a2a9f

schedule.json https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/cb33c7e906e545d2a48871a4d7adf21e

[hard fern]

i dread testing this npc

sig

[blissful panther]

@lucid iron More appropriate for here, but I found the video.

[lucid iron]

0g

so the hopper is innate huh

[brittle pasture]

I think it's just because building upgrades don't remove existing built in objects?

[blissful panther]

I think that's it, yeah. Probably because of the (pretty reasonable) assumption that you're not going to be removing functionality from a building with an upgrade.

[zenith robin]

If I am just redoing my mod to use I18n instead of being hardcoded, what number do I increment for the version?

[uncut viper]

the number does not matter in terms of functionality so long as it only ever goes up, but the recommendation is to follow semantic versioning
https://semver.org/
so, id do the last one personally

[fossil bear]

Hey i installed a recolour, what are those spots?

[hard fern]

recolor lacks new update compat

[zenith robin]

Tiles the recolor doesn't change. It might be old or they could be non vanilla.

[ocean sail]

@zenith robin You leveled up to Cowpoke. You can now speak in our voice channels and share images in all channels!

[calm nebula]

(Is there such a thing as an amateur octopus)

[hard fern]

so what's a senior octopus...

a professional in the field

[light lily]

Ammonites? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wheat finch]

hmm...I fixed the when condition or so I thought. No errors in log but mail won't trigger even with Krobus at 10 hearts. Could it be that the lack of farmhouse upgrades is causing the issue? No bouquet given to Krobus to allow hearts 9 and 10 and still on basic farmhouse? Content file: https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/1f5c0411e4e5479fa2b323196249b06a and log: https://smapi.io/log/266dc356cdef4e35ab19c3c4530b1867

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.7 with SDV 1.6.14 build 24317 on macOS Unix 12.7.6, with 17 C# mods and 5 content packs.

[sour walrus]

Need a bit of guidance if someone could kindly help me out.
As a mod maker, what do I need to do after each new SMAPI update so that my mods show as compatible?

[brittle pasture]

do you make content packs or C# mods

[hallow prism]

Are they C# or content packs ?

[brittle pasture]

For C# mods, usually rebuilding against latest SMAPI/game version can work. If errors crop up you can follow them to see what broke and fix them

[lucid mulch]

In the log file there will be trace logs explaining why it was marked as incompatible

Content packs pretty much can't be marked as incompatible unless it's in the manual blacklist for known breakage, so bumping the version in that case is enough

[latent mauve]

Content packs just need to be updated to the newer Format values unless you're making use of the rewriters for old data types. And if you're using old data types, consider updating them to the new ones via the "Migrate to version x" docs that pop up on the wiki everytime there's an update on the way.

[sour walrus]

C# mod, thanks for the info 🙂

[tender bloom]

If your mod shows up as incompatible, first thing to do is check trace to see what the complaint is

Typically then you can cross-check against the wiki list of changes or the decompile

And figure out what it needs

[sour walrus]

So I don't need to release a new version just because a new SMAPI is out?

[lucid mulch]

no

[tender bloom]

Not necessarily, though if the game has updated sometimes you do need to

[sour walrus]

Awesome thanks

[tender bloom]

SMAPI changes also typically are not breaking changes unless it's a major version change

[lucid mulch]

Profiler is still on a 1.5.6 compatible build due to how little of Stardew it actually touches

[lucid iron]

secretly a smapi mod

[tender bloom]

Honestly I personally wait for people to complain at me, but I'm in kind of a busy stage of life rn

[calm nebula]

We should join forces

Neither of us will actually have the time

[final arch]

Failed loading PDB for 'AlternativeTextures.dll'. Technical details:
tons of ppl report that, whats up with that?

[next plaza]

What are the technical details?

[final arch]

https://smapi.io/log/5895b0f381044c8ab09ef0f9b12759db?format=RawView

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.7 with SDV 1.6.14 build 24317 on Microsoft Windows 11 Home Single Language, with 48 C# mods and 49 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[final arch]

I got logs like this from some ppl with "RSV" doesnt load

tons of mods dont load because of outdated (?) .pdbs

I just told ppl to delete all pdbs but thats rather inconvenient

@cyan marsh your unique respone core breaks all birthday gift dialogue, and its not very obvious that its your mod. Could you look into it possibly? all NPC mods like SVE and RSV get reports about it

[deep cypress]

(I get a fair number of PolyamorySweet reports of vague dialogue issues too, when people are using it.)

[final arch]

@next plaza technical details 😉

[calm nebula]

Does it persist if they delete the .pdb

[final arch]

afaik no

[calm nebula]

Smapi changed from separate to embedded

Oh

[final arch]

but I actually never got feedback 🤔

[calm nebula]

No cluse theb

Have fun!

Enjoy modding 😛

[cyan marsh]

Can I have a log too? I'm unsure on how it's breaking it

[final arch]

I left a log on your modpage a few days ago

basically the issue is you patch invalid dialogue as birthday dialogue

[brave fable]

is there a method to format dates other than Utility.getDateStringFor or does the game just not bother

[cyan marsh]

mmkay imma take a look

[brave fable]

Day 23 of Spring, Year 3 is a bit long but i guess there's not going to be some wild localisation method that makes stuff like 23rd Spring, Year 3

[final arch]

thanks

maybe SDate from smapi has a Displaytext method? not sure tho

[calm nebula]

Raspberry, what are you trying to do

[brave fable]

oh wow i really wasn't expecting localised text in smapi

[cyan marsh]

hmm

[brave fable]

SDate.ToLocaleString gives Spring 23 in year 3 which is probably as good as it's gonna get haha

good suggestion

[brave fable]

oh you know, the usual. stupid things nobody would ever do

sometimes you just make a menu and then realise you don't actually know how you'd ever bring it up

[deep cypress]

I'm mad at Photoshop; more specifically, Adobe. Creative Cloud has to be installed, but... takes a HOARD of resources up.... Imma try GIMP.

[brave fable]

maybe this can be a calendar or something

my photoshop works fine without creative cloud, you just have to disable the services that're trying to run it (on windows)

[cyan marsh]

hmmm.. everything seems okay with that

[brave fable]

gimp is not an adequate substitute for photoshop lol

[blissful panther]

Sadly, there's like... one kinda close substitute, and it's annoying.

[calm nebula]

Affinity!

[brave fable]

i'm always going to push photopea as an alternative since it's actually trying to be a 1:1 substitute, but it's also online-only (which is a benefit if you want something portable)

man the absolute number of new classes and files and changes needed just for this one silly quest lol

[deep cypress]

I disabled the services using C-CLeaner, but... It kept starting up and running anyways....

[cyan marsh]

@final arch i'm not seeing the issue here

does the NPC Kimpoi have their own text?

[brave fable]

i might've also deleted a while bunch of annoying exe files in the adobe folders to properly kill creative cloud lol

annoying service

[final arch]

no

you can gift npcs on their birthday with your mod installed?

[cyan marsh]

hmm let me try

I have to set up everything.. so i can test it first xD

[brave fable]

ah, the eternal question. to subclass furniture, or patch furniture.checkforaction

interesting that technically all furniture is sittable. tvs, paintings, cacti, you name it

[blissful panther]

Similarly, I find it interesting that the shipping bin can have an interior location.

[brave fable]

now that's a better mod idea than 'sit on cactus'

[cyan marsh]

seems to work fine

[deep cypress]

Sit on Cactus? 25 percent chance of damage?

[cyan marsh]

but that' s not the dialogue i put in

[brave fable]

chance? you sat on a cactus. you knew the consequences

[cyan marsh]

hmmmm

[lucid iron]

if u go inside can u retrieve ur things

[cyan marsh]

@final arch I downloaded an NPC to check... there is no issue here

i need to make dinner but I'll look deeper

[wheat finch]

I'm still confused on this if anyone is willing to assist?

[rancid temple]

How are you sending the mail?

[wheat finch]

CP to edit Data/Mail when player is at 10 hearts with Krobus.https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/1f5c0411e4e5479fa2b323196249b06a

[uncut viper]

that doesnt send it

[rancid temple]

Ah, that's not how mail works

[uncut viper]

mail simply existing in the data does not mean it gets sent

[rancid temple]

You have to use a trigger action

Or I guess any of the other means

[uncut viper]

the game does not at all look at When conditions, those are only a content patcher thing

[rancid temple]

Probably some way to do it in events and dialogue

[uncut viper]

they determine when the data exists in the game at all

as it is, your mail does not exist in the game whatsoever, not even internally, until you have 10 hearts with krobus

then content patcher will add it

[rancid temple]

Yeah, you can remove that When from the mail and use a condition for the trigger action instead

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Trigger_actions

[wheat finch]

TY. Quest framework had the trigger for sending the mail baked in. Still getting used to all the 1.6 changes.

[rancid temple]

Specifically with the Condition field, rather than a When field

Which uses Game State Queries instead of CP tokens

[uncut viper]

essentially with When conditions, if the requirements of that condition are not met, its effectively like it does not even exist in the content.json

you can, however, use CP tokens in Game state queries

if they resolve to true/false

[calm nebula]

Button, you're red!

[uncut viper]

or well, if they resolve to anything, but if you want just true/false then it needs to be that

i am red!

snuck onto the 1.6 dev team /j

[calm nebula]

You would do well

[uncut viper]

possibly the biggest compliment i can think of

[rancid temple]

#modded-stardew is probably a better place to ask that

[brave fable]

you'll do less damage editing the source code directly than with all your transpilers

[halcyon crescent]

Ah thank you

[uncut viper]

this is true! plus id be able to publicize whatever i want—

[rancid temple]

I don't think you have any proof that Button has done any damage with her transpilers

[uncut viper]

ive done damage to my own mods, does that count?

[rancid temple]

Only if you're willing to press charges

[uncut viper]

i dont think i can compel myself to testify

dont have it in me

[calm nebula]

Raspberry, you too

Congratulations!!!!

[uncut viper]

i like the name change

[brave fable]

clearly cranberry-coloured

[uncut viper]

that i would agree with

[brave fable]

candy crimson tho

[uncut viper]

cranberry paprika blueberry

[tender bloom]

That sounds like an awful pie flavor

[rancid temple]

Just don't put too much paprika lmao

It'd be a slightly earthy mixed berry pie

[tender bloom]

I think the earthiness is what I object to

And I could maaaaybe pretend it's not awful if it was one berry, but two berries seems like a lot of flavors bouncing around

[uncut viper]

but consider, twoberry rhymes with blueberry

[brave fable]

mace is basically paprika but nutmeg

you just need to be a little open-minded and not taste it while u eat it

[rancid temple]

Like... mace the self defense spray?

[brave fable]

mace is made of mace

hence the name

in the same way pepper spray is made of pepper

actually you know what it's probably not

mace is nutmeg and even though nutmeg has a lethal dose it's probably not nutmeg lol

[uncut viper]

so... bear spray is made of bears...

[rancid temple]

Well, you have a cooking mod so I'll take your word for it

[calm nebula]

Speaking of cooking mods

[rancid temple]

atra heel turn to ask when LoC release date

[brave fable]

it's probably too late to add a demetriums to pretend i didn't think mace was made of mace isn't it

[calm nebula]

Steam is apparently having a cooking sale

I will assume this means baozi are half off

[calm nebula]

Look I don't care haha

Ugh apparently epu broke sometjme

[rancid temple]

I tried to search baozi on Steam and nothing came up so I don't know what's happening anymore

[tender bloom]

baozi is IRL food

Atra does not know video games

Well, usually not

Occasionally yes

[rancid temple]

Or, does atra just like to troll us

[tender bloom]

But I suspect atra meant real baozi

I kind of want baozi now...

I got some funky ones at the vietnamese store

[uncut viper]

what else is there to do in retirement

[calm nebula]

Yes.

[rancid temple]

Oh, I love these, though I don't think I've ever had any handmade ones lol

[calm nebula]

They are steamed, see?

[tender bloom]

They had not just pork and cabbage, but also a chunk of sausage and A WHOLE QUAIL EGG

[calm nebula]

Get it?

[rancid temple]

I do, v funny

[tender bloom]

like it's so disconcerting to eat something with a surprise quail egg

[uncut viper]

i dont get it, please explain

[jolly bane]

hiya so I'm attempting to make a marriage schedule for a custom npc but I keep getting the error "NPC 'npcname' failed to parse master schedule 'marriage_summer_21' with raw data '1340 Beach 42 24 2/1900 bed/2200 npcname_sleep'. IndexOutOfRangeException: Index was outside the bounds of the array. at StardewValley.NPC.parseMasterScheduleImpl(String scheduleKey, String rawData, List'1 visited) in D:\GitlabRunner\builds\Gq5qA5P4\2\ConcernedApe\stardewvalley\Farmer\Farmer\NPC.cs.line 6217". Curiously this error only happens when I put "marriage_" at the start of the schedule day, does anyone know what this means? Thank you!

[brittle pasture]

It's called bánh bao, and it's awesome

[tender bloom]

Unfortunately the error is a bit nonspecific

[uncut viper]

discord formatting strikes again

[tender bloom]

but it means your schedule is wrong

[rancid temple]

They're filled with Steam gift cards /j

[tender bloom]

I am not personally very familiar with schedules

[uncut viper]

index out of range makes me think an argument to smth is missing but i also dunno schedules

[tender bloom]

The sleep one needs a location perhsaps

[calm nebula]

I don't understand the 2200 npcname_sleep

Remove that

[tender bloom]

the wiki is saying things like 2200 SeedShop 1 9 3 abigail_sleep

which is different

[calm nebula]

You have already sent the npc home with bed

[latent mauve]

If you set bed, you don't need npc_sleep

[calm nebula]

You do not need to add the sleep command

[latent mauve]

It's automatically included

[tender bloom]

sounds like try deleting the last command then

[latent mauve]

<time> bed tells the NPC to navigate to their bed and run the sleep animation

[calm nebula]

(Unless it is a spouse)

[tender bloom]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Schedule_data for reference this is the wiki page on schedules

[calm nebula]

In which case they just return to the farmhouse

[latent mauve]

No, even if they're a spouse, then 'their bed' is the farmhouse bed. 😛

[calm nebula]

And sleep at their normal time

[rancid temple]

Normalize sending NPC's to the bed spot and playing an animation of their eyes closed, so I can give them gifts when they're supposed to be asleep

[calm nebula]

It forces sleep?

[latent mauve]

Yes, it forces sleep

[brave fable]

is there actually anything ingame that tells the player they can interact with a Calendar in the house?

[calm nebula]

Huh

[rancid temple]

Like a tutorial?

[brave fable]

i can't give my custom thingo a description

[uncut viper]

i think just the fact thast it looks like the town one

so not really

[brave fable]

all paintings just say This furniture cannot be placed outside

[rancid temple]

Isn't there a calendar sold at Robin's?

[uncut viper]

maybe the item description itself?

[latent mauve]

Yep

[brave fable]

the item has no description haha

it's a painting

[uncut viper]

oh

[latent mauve]

I buy a calendar from Robin in every playthrough. xD

[tender bloom]

you can use spacecore to add a description

[rancid temple]

Does it have a description when you're buying it?

[tender bloom]

although this may break your no dependencies goal

[brave fable]

no

[tender bloom]

I've added spacecore optional dependency to my bonsais so they can have a description if users have spacecore

[rancid temple]

Lmao

[tender bloom]

For some reason furntirue is just whack and doesn't have any info

[uncut viper]

send a letter explaining it after purchase, i guess

[rancid temple]

That is wack

[next plaza]

Fun fact: With the way CP works, you don't need an optional dependency on a mod if you're editing the assets it provides

[latent mauve]

This reminds me of when I learned that wallpapers and flooring don't have their own names

[brave fable]

oh yeah they're all just Wallpaper lol

[tender bloom]

oh? interesting....

I mean an optional dependency doesn't hurt...

[next plaza]

Also if your mod is content patcher then you technically have it as a dependency... 😛

(And for a C# mod? Well, there's SMAPI)

(There is no escaping dependencies)

[tender bloom]

Blueb is doing C# p sure right???

[brave fable]

cp+cs

[tender bloom]

Ahh

[next plaza]

Ah, I missed it was blueberry because of color changes

[tender bloom]

blueb-now-redb

[calm nebula]

Raspberry

[next plaza]

Remember when blueberry's discord ID said rhubarb? Pepperridge Farm remembers

[calm nebula]

Or cranberry

[brave fable]

redbs doesn't sound so good

[calm nebula]

Can't decide.

[tender bloom]

but I know blueb CAN do C# and has mentioned dependencies are hisss

Cranberry

I remember rhubarb

Does that make me old?

[calm nebula]

Bluebs is already using spacecore

[uncut viper]

redbs sounds like a database service

[calm nebula]

Ancient like the sun

[next plaza]

Back in the days of usernames with a discriminator at the end

[calm nebula]

Maybe it's boba time

[tender bloom]

I like to say I'm old as the hills

[brave fable]

i don't like to say that

[next plaza]

I was around here before either of you, what does that make me

[calm nebula]

Bluebs here to tell us it's less funny when you're actually old?

[latent mauve]

A beloved fixture of the community, a monument to what came before.

[brave fable]

i'll probably just explain it via dialogue when you receive the furniture

if nothing in the game has a description anyway then no point bucking the trend

[tender bloom]

At least on the internet I can more convincingly pretend I'm old

It works much worse in person when people see my face

[calm nebula]

Nah

[brave fable]

bizarre that calendars are unexplained sittable paintings

[tender bloom]

I was mistaken for a freshman, the horrors

[calm nebula]

Instead, do an audio description

[next plaza]

Maybe it's one of those artisanal calendars (re: paintings)

[tender bloom]

sittable?????

painting I can get behind

but sittable?????

[brave fable]

.

[lucid mulch]

also don't think you need optional dependency if its HasMod guarded.
dependencies for cp mods is really only needed for other cp content packs to do relative ordering.

[next plaza]

Yeah, I think you're right

[tender bloom]

that is weird

[brave fable]

anyone's welcome to make the sittable cactus transpiler, i'll be collecting royalties

[tender bloom]

Idk I feel like users know what the phrase "optional dependency" means (the ones that can read)

[next plaza]

Smh, blueberry thinks just because something implements ISittable means it can be sat on

[tender bloom]

In practice I forget what I did on the technical side I just know it works

[next plaza]

Ah, well you see, that last parenthetical statement is the tricky part

[lucid mulch]

dependencies in the manifest control load order (but content packs are in their own sorted pool and loaded by their parent mod)
regular dependencies dont get on the lists if required dependency is missing
both dependencies and optional dependencies dont get on the list if their version constraints aren't met

So if you don't need to control load order, and you have runtime guards if its missing or bad version, optional dependency isn't needed

[tender bloom]

Atra is making me want boba

[rancid temple]

Boba and bao

[calm nebula]

Reminds me of the old plan to do optional contentpackfor

[wheat finch]

Dear i18n I hate you right now. I'm gonna go nap and hope you decide to play nice later.

[zenith robin]

It won't.

[brave fable]

i18n always does exactly what you tell it to ☀️

you're just getting lost in translation

[wheat finch]

"no translation ESVGP.WizardLetterStart" but guess what i18n? That key is there exactly that way in both the mail patch and the default file...

And of course once again no errors to the log so I can't even go there for help.

[uncut viper]

you can post your jsons

[brave fable]

well you could always post your files here for us to look-over

[wheat finch]

Default: https://smapi.io/json/i18n/b36379f5b99d440b908ee9993aa68c12 and content file: https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/6a24fd66fd73468982aa7318a59be6c1

[uncut viper]

well, theres the problem, your i18n doesnt have those keys

your i18n has the key {{i18n:ESVGP.WizardLetterStart}} not ESVGP.WizardLetterStart

and beyond that, you cant use tokens like that in i18n files

[rancid temple]

Can you put commands in the i18n?

[uncut viper]

the i18n token will load a keuy from i18n json with whatever key is after the i18n:

you can put whatever you want in the i18n

[rancid temple]

Like will mail commands work from it though

[uncut viper]

ideally you dont bc translators might mess it up but the token in the content.json just gets replaced with the text anyway

[rancid temple]

Probably they shouldn't be in there regardless so they don't get translated

[wheat finch]

It's always something stupid with me. I was ignoring the curly braces in my default going "yes it does exist"

[uncut viper]

from the games perspective a token is never seen

its just resolved as text

its not just the curly braces

[brave fable]

poor i18n, so unjustly accused of not working

[uncut viper]

you need to remove the i18n from the keys in default.json too

[cyan marsh]

so.. anyone wants to dabble in some Event stuff with me... I have a conundrum I need to figure out :3

[rancid temple]

Unless you do something dumb like try to use tokens directly in Tiled

[wheat finch]

Yeah working on that now. My brain is clearly out to space today.

[uncut viper]

"ESVGP.WizardLetterStart": "@,^I see you have become [...]"

this is what you want

[cyan marsh]

Monitor.Log($"Current Event: {Game1.CurrentEvent.id}", LogLevel.Debug);``` This is spamming the console.. I need to figure a way to make it only show once per event

[lucid mulch]

where is the monitor log?

[uncut viper]

if its spamming the console it means you must be calling it repeatedly, is it on an UpdateTicked event or something

[cyan marsh]

OnEventStarted

        private void OnEventStarted(Event @event)
        {
            
            Monitor.Log($"Current Event: {Game1.CurrentEvent.id}", LogLevel.Debug);
            LastPlayed = Game1.CurrentEvent.id;

            if (ShowEventIDs)
            {
                Game1.addHUDMessage(new HUDMessage($"Current Event: {Game1.CurrentEvent.id}!"));
            }
            Game1.CurrentEvent.eventCommands = this.ExtractCommands(Game1.CurrentEvent.eventCommands, new[] { "forgetEvent", "forgetMail", "forgetResponse", "timeAdvance" }, out ISet<string> extractedCommands);

            foreach (string command in extractedCommands)
            {
                // extract command name + raw ID
                string commandName, rawId;
                {
                    string[] parts = command.Split(' ');
                    commandName = parts[0];
                    if (parts.Length != 2) // command name + ID
                    {
                        this.Monitor.Log($"The {commandName} command requires one argument (event command: {command}).", LogLevel.Warn);
                        continue;
                    }
                    rawId = parts[1];
                }

                // handle command
                switch (commandName)
                {
                    case "forgetEvent":
                        Game1.player.eventsSeen.Remove(rawId);
                        break;

                    case "forgetMail":
                        Game1.player.mailReceived.Remove(rawId);
                        break;

                    case "forgetResponse":
                        Game1.player.dialogueQuestionsAnswered.Remove(rawId);
                        break;

                    case "timeAdvance":
                        if (int.TryParse(rawId, out int hours))
                        {
                            int newTime = Utility.ModifyTime(Game1.timeOfDay, hours * 60);
                            if (newTime < 2600)
                            {
                                Game1.timeOfDay = newTime;
                            }
                            else
                                this.Monitor.Log($"Cannot advance time! {hours} would put the time to {newTime}!  Command ignored!", LogLevel.Error);
                        }
                        else
                            this.Monitor.Log($"Time advancement failed: invalid number '{rawId}'.", LogLevel.Warn);
                        break;

                    default:
                        this.Monitor.Log($"Unrecognized command name '{commandName}'.", LogLevel.Warn);
                        break;
                }
            }
        }

it does more than monitor the event id

it also handles my custom event code

[uncut viper]

where are you calling this function from

[lucid mulch]

what is call-

[cyan marsh]

<.< what you mean

[uncut viper]

what calls OnEventStarted

what causes that function to run

[cyan marsh]

Events

when they start

[uncut viper]

OnEventStarted is your own code and not a vanilla thing or a SMAPI thing, it doesnt just magically run without something calling it

what makes an event call that function when it starts

[cyan marsh]

ah.. it's checked on OnUpdateTicked

[uncut viper]

is this for Event Repeater?

[cyan marsh]

yeah

[uncut viper]

yeah thatll do it

[cyan marsh]

it's a hiccup i didn't notice

I was thinking about a bool to just silence it.. but I am not in the mind to think of how to untick the bool after the event ends

[lucid mulch]

also wouldn't all of that logic immediately run, not when the commands are meant to happen, as events have control flow to skip sections or short circuit early

[rancid temple]

This whole thing running in Update is giving me the willies lmao

[cyan marsh]

yeah.. i don't remember it doing that.. so it's a recompile issue i suppose

[wheat finch]

Yay. Got the translation thing fixed. Now to fix the issues with the quests...

[cyan marsh]

you got any input?

[uncut viper]

for what

[cyan marsh]

oh... nvm

[lucid mulch]

if you are just trying to add commands, just use Events.RegisterCommand(string name, EventCommandDelegate action)

[cyan marsh]

<.< not the lane

all that is figured out

all i wanted to do is stop the Current Event: <ID> spam in the console

[lucid mulch]

(also timeAdvance command wont behave well in multiplayer)

[cyan marsh]

no one really messes with it

especially because of CP intergration

alright.. i fixed it

I just added a bool in the code

if Game1.currentEvent is null (thus, no running event) then set to false If an event is running do the thing then set it to true so it doesn't repeat the action

[wheat finch]

Hahahaha. Something went awry with my rewards. But good news is that everything to this point in the mod is now working.

I think I just need to put a # between my portrait command and my action command.

[uncut viper]

seems like you forgot a #

[wheat finch]

Jinx lol

[cyan marsh]

interesting thought: Can you extract the dialogue ID when interacting with a NPC.. Like you talk to it and the console says "Mon4"

[wheat finch]

Hmmm...I fixed that so it's "Thank you, @. Now I can finish this item the Witch taught me to make.$1#$action AddFriendshipPoints Wizard 50 #$action AddItem (O)808 1" But it still showed the gold coin icon, and the text for adding friendship points. And didn't add the item that I checked.

And it didn't use her happy portrait.

[uncut viper]

Dialogue objects do store a TranslationKey field

[cyan marsh]

hmm.. i wonder if this could have utility tho

[uncut viper]

did you do a patch reload?

[wheat finch]

No. I closed the game when I got the issue the first time, fixed the json, copied the fixed version to my mods folder, and went back in to the game.

[uncut viper]

i would double check you actually saved/the file copied over correctly then but beyond that im not familiar enough with dialogue to be able to spot something wrong there if there is anything

[brave fable]

when is the dialogue triggered?

[wheat finch]

It's the reaction dialogue when I give the quest item to Leah on the third quest in the quest line. Give her a gold bar, get the dialogue and the dialogue window is showing the first action string and not using her portrait I wanted used. (Unless her neutral and happy are the same. I haven't checked that in a hot minute.)

So it triggers from the last entry in the slash delimited string for the quest which uses an i18n key and the actions are in the default json alongside the dialogue. Should they perhaps be in the quest string instead?

The quest string only allows for no reward or gold not items and friendship points which is why I was trying to use the dialogue commands to trigger the friendship points with the wizard and the item (void ghost pendant). For some reason the second action command isn't displaying in the dialogue. Which is as it should be but I didn't check if I got the item.

[uncut viper]

from a technical standpoint there is no difference between you putting your i18n in default.json and loading it with a token there and you just putting the dialogue directly in the quest data

from a technical, from-the-games-pov standpoint i should say

that said

[wheat finch]

Maybe I'll test it without an i18n key to see if it's truly formatting or if the quest doesn't like using actions in the reaction dialogue.

[uncut viper]

did you already have this quest?

because once a quest is added to your log, its saved as is

[wheat finch]

I triggered it afresh by completing the two quests that precede it.

[brave fable]

i'd like to say the initial dialogue emote portrait on quest item received is forced

[uncut viper]

but i mean, did you delete that quest and get it again after making your changes?

[brave fable]

but i'm not sure

[wheat finch]

The only quest in the line that was triggered so far in this file was the first one. I completed it to trigger the second one and then completed that one to trigger the third. I wouldn't have had the quest flag in the file but I can try again on a fresh save.

[teal bridge]

Has anyone ever tried to look into why asset loading is so slow and janky? Is it the file I/O itself, texture decoding, or texture upload to the GPU?

I know MonoGame is really aggressively single-threaded but wondering if in some cases it's possible to do some of the work async beforehand and pass the partially-finished result into MonoGame.

[rancid temple]

I didn't know asset loading was slow and janky lmao

[teal bridge]

Can't say I'm super optimistic, but I'm annoyed that in trying to optimize a 200ms frame, almost 100 of that is just asset loading.

[brave fable]

he didn't know