making-mods-general

[blissful saddle]

for context, I am making some changes to Farmer base sprites based on skintone, and skintone is just loaded after save is loaded. So, by what understand, if token is requested before, it returns a null

[tardy adder]

Hmm I will play around with the Custom TV Channels mod looks interesting and I crave more channels

[next plaza]

Did Pathos ever fix the farmer base sprites loading properly after edited?

[stable grotto]

interesting, when did that happen? the main file still uses the original ID, so this is kind of a head scratcher

[blissful saddle]

it was an issue?

[next plaza]

Though, if you use a token, it will only update as fast as UpdateRate (or whatever CP calls it). So if the token value changes, it won't update until the next time the update rate is triggered.

Though for skin tone on save loaded, that shouldn't be a big concern

[next plaza]

At some point, not sure if it still is

[tender bloom]

I'm not totally sure either

[tiny zealot]

hell yeah, we cookin
(i used ApplyMapOverrides(force:true) to clear the list instead of using reflection, and i also had to call loadMap with force_reload:true, but mission accomplished)

[blissful saddle]

I am using a mod that currently changes it through cp, and it is working correctly

[lucid iron]

How well does it work in multiplayer? Did u try it yet

[blissful saddle]

nope at all. I don't play multiplayer, and I think most that use this doesn't use in multiplayer as well

[lucid iron]

Oh I was asking ichor

[next plaza]

Oh for map overrides? You need to do it on each client too

[lucid iron]

But generally I try to make sure multiplayer at least doesn't explod my mods even if I also never play multiplayer

[next plaza]

Source: Me doing the set piece stuff for spacecore spawnables

I think, I could be misremembering, let me check some code

[stable grotto]

did Lacey check VPR's config? that would make sense, since it changed entirely

[next plaza]

Ah, yeah, you do. For SpaceCore set pieces, I have a net field for all applied set pieces (since it's controlled by trigger actions), and then in resetLocalState apply the proper ones. (The clear set pieces trigger action does some trickery to unapply the set pieces: https://github.com/spacechase0/StardewValleyMods/blob/develop/SpaceCore/Dungeons/SpawnableImpl.cs#L181 )

Unapplying map overrides is kinda annoying

You have to have a new patch to put the map back to normal. Vanilla just uses a new map override that looks like the map before, but as you can see in the link I did something different - I reloaded the map from the content pipeline, and used that for the override

(Which may not work well if there's another map override in the same spot, but there's not another good way of doing this)

[tiny zealot]

i haven't actually tested my most recent shenanigans in multiplayer yet but i'm already syncing state with smapi events and each client already handles the locations on their own so it should work

[tiny zealot]

yes. i didn't write careful enough code for it so i get a null somewhere

[rancid musk]

I just realized I have a DM request on Discord that is just "You missed a call from X that lasted 1 minute." and... uh... was that someone trying to report that my mods were broken from the update? lol Because they're from this server.

[tender bloom]

I have accidentally called someone on discord before

It was real awkward

[rancid musk]

I wish calling had a confirmation step

[tender bloom]

I would hope it's not someone reporting mods but tbf you never know

I've also accidentally put "notes" in as a DM once

[lucid iron]

it might have been person who attempted to dm you, clicked call, and got too embarssed to continue the interaction

[tender bloom]

It was awkward, I was DM'ing them their own name

Could have been worse, I suppose

[umbral vault]

"Sorry, I meant to google this"

[next plaza]

I did that with Pathos once

[brittle pasture]

I also accidentally dialed a Junimo once

[latent mauve]

I've accidentally joined voice channels when trying to click to a text channel, does that count?

[lucid iron]

did you put it on Back

[umbral vault]

this has happened way too many times to me

[lucid iron]

instead of Back1 or whatever

[umbral vault]

and then scrambling to leave the channel and the interface is so complicated

[next plaza]

I've done this a bunch too, but never on this server

[shut grove]

is it possible to make a placable building open up a menu like the minecart's?

[tiny zealot]

mercifully i've never had a hot mic on my accidental trips into vc

[next plaza]

Anything is possible with the power of C#

(In this case a custom tile action)

[shut grove]

I'm not a programmer

my main experience "coding" is blueprints in unreal

[brittle pasture]

building as in farm buildings or big craftables?

[hallow prism]

hi everyone, i hope you're all ok

(especially you casey, i saw a bit what happened on your mod page and i'm sorry you had to deal with that)

[brittle pasture]

also what kind of menu are you thinking of?

[next plaza]

I counted, over 140 comments

[shut grove]

a warp menu to preset locations, the farm one would go to the normal warp totem spot

[next plaza]

That will definitely require C#

[umbral vault]

that's horrible. some people are very entitled on nexus

[gaunt orbit]

You can do that with CP

[next plaza]

Unless... hmm. Custom minecart system?

[hallow prism]

that is impressive and not in the good way

[shut grove]

that's why I mentioned the minecart

[next plaza]

I'm not used to the minecarts being unhardcoded 😅

[gaunt orbit]

Though accounting for custom farm types would be tricky without c#

[shut grove]

I thought of it only because of the frontier farm's own custom minecart

[rancid musk]

There's already a mod for custom minecart networks isn't there? So you could just combine that + CP probably and not need a custom C# component?

[hallow prism]

(i hope pathos is ok too, i imagine it was quite a lot of messages too)

[shut grove]

that's why I'd make a farm warp just go to the normal totem spot

[brittle pasture]

custom minecart networks is vanilla now

[rancid musk]

Ah. Just CP then.

Since you can absolutely trigger a map tile action with a building.

[brittle pasture]

and if you only want to care about your own custom farm then yeah CP is fine

[next plaza]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Migrate_to_Stardew_Valley_1.6#Custom_minecarts

[umbral vault]

(what exactly happened? I don't have complete context)

[gaunt orbit]

You'd also have to account for a few of the vanilla farm types that use different spots

[next plaza]

Yeah, the farm warp totem is the tricky part. Could always account for vanilla farms and then add a config setting for the coordinates I guess

[lucid iron]

actually i dont think u need C# for minecart right

[next plaza]

Yeah I spoke too quickly

[lucid iron]

it's a tile action which should work on building data?

[shut grove]

wouldn't I just make it act like a farm totem?

[lucid iron]

kinda like obelisk warp

[next plaza]

I only saw around 10 on the SMAPI page, though I didn't check all his other mods

[gaunt orbit]

There's special c# code to handle farm totems

[lucid iron]

javalin!

[shut grove]

I could always just put it on the bus stop map and patch in a little spot there

[gaunt orbit]

That would work

[hallow prism]

yeah i suppose the main impact is on having to update smapi rather than directly having message

but i wish people would see "oh, this mod already has 5 messages about the issue, i should just move on"

the worse is, there are likely a lot of people that did not publish message, but still, a lot that decided that a "+1" was really an important info to post

[next plaza]

Yeah...

[indigo yoke]

is there something in object data we can set so an item doesn't show up as a quest request?

[next plaza]

<flashbacks to the GMCM Chinese requests for a translation, where most of the comments were just "squat" in Chinese on a single thread>

[velvet narwhal]

The amount of comments that I get on my FAQ article where someone asks a question that gets answered in the faq is almost 100%

[next plaza]

Uh, speaking of GMCM

[ivory plume]

Stardew Valley 1.6.14 was released overnight, which broke a number of mods until SMAPI was updated.

[next plaza]

Where did the comments go

Did I accidentally turn off comments when I disabled user tagging

[ivory plume]

Apparently!

[next plaza]

Weird

[hallow prism]

i remember something for perfection and something for random sale, i don't know if it exists also for quests

[next plaza]

I just re-enabled it, though it seems to take a few minutes to show back up

[next plaza]

Are there any other accidental changes I made?

I don't know where to see that log

[ivory plume]

It's the "Logs" tab on the mod page:

[icy wyvern]

hey uh is there any sort of informational directory in making like clothing mods in stardew valley?

[hallow prism]

level of tired :
dl smapi
unpack smapi
???
profit actually have to remember to also update smapi

[velvet narwhal]

[[Modding:Items]] right?

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Items

[next plaza]

What's weird is it isn't showing my new change to enable it either

[icy wyvern]

awesome ty!!!

[rancid musk]

Alright. Time to decomp the new patch that broke everyone's stuff

[indigo yoke]

yeah, I have the perfection and random ssale turned off. Mainly since I don't want people having to ship.... 200ish artifacts for perfection
But I have noticed a big issue in quest spam with artifacts on displays. Kind of want to fix that.

[brittle pasture]

(it's just a new param in a class )

[tiny zealot]

update: the map overrides part does not work yet in multiplayer 😔
(everything else does, though!)
grumble grumble something shadow dimension

[ivory plume]

I think Nexus is struggling; the notifications started returning errors for me a little while ago, and now comment notifications are lagging up to 15-20 minutes.

(Maybe Stardew Valley is so powerful that even a patch release can cause Nexus server issues. (But it's probably unrelated.))

[hallow prism]

(to be fair at the moment the state of nexus servers make it looks like a strong wind can cause server issue, so... )

[next plaza]

Ah, GMCM comments are showing now

Here's the chinese thread

Oh, and a new one might be starting as of a few days ago

[hallow prism]

big sigh

[next plaza]

I've been having issues with nexus on and off for a couple weeks

[blissful panther]

(Pathos, careful with nesting too many parentheses. We don't want to accidentally start speaking in Lisp!)

[lucid iron]

Can you mute comment threads on nexus

Or is it all or nothing for notifs

[next plaza]

If I start nesting too many parenthesis I start using [] and sometimes {} if it gets really bad

I don't think you mute comment threads. You can lock or delete them I guess

But there's nothing wrong with asking for a chinese translation in itself

All the comments just saying "squat" are kinda odd though - I assume it's the equivalent of "bump"

[blissful panther]

(Wait, how long has this move to bugs option been here on the posts page?)

[next plaza]

Good question - I disable bug trackers on my pages so I don't know 😛

[lucid iron]

Yeah it's chinese net lingo

[umbral vault]

squat

that's amazing lol

[lucid iron]

Inherited from how forums worked I think, when op starts ongoing thread and people have to keep it alive

[iron ridge]

aww none of StardewValley.Mods exists in the switch version - not that I could use it anyway but interesting

[blissful panther]

Sounds like a variant of "bump".

[umbral vault]

yea

[next plaza]

How can you tell????

Like, I thought it was native code on switch

[iron ridge]

all the class methods exist as strings

[next plaza]

Ah

[iron ridge]

and none of the class methods exist

and neither does any reference to the class/namespace itself

[drowsy pewter]

(Meanwhile on the other side of the world: "I'm getting a bunch of comments from English users but all they're doing is commenting 'small hit'. I don't understand it at all.")

[next plaza]

I mean, I knew they didn't exist on consoles. I was just surprised you could tell

[umbral vault]

lmfao

[iron ridge]

ah

odd - IHaveModData is referenced though

[lucid iron]

+1 is clearly superior because math transcend language

[indigo yoke]

btw casey since you're here, do you mind if I make a console command PR for spacecore that resets a skill back to 0? Kind of sucks in testing when you level up to max, do some changes, and then need to start a new save to just relevel to max for more tests.

[next plaza]

Having access to the original source code lets you see conditional compilation symbols 😛

[iron ridge]

that is true

[next plaza]

Yeah, because it's a bit trickier to conditionally compile implementing an interface probably (you can but it looks ugly). The interface is empty on platforms without mods though

[iron ridge]

ah

[next plaza]

Hmm, yeah that's fine I guess, though I do wonder how stuff like undoing DoLevelPerk should be handled

Wait

Nevermind

The profession statue is different

I guess you can just add a ResetToLevel0 method or something

With a default implementation so it doesn't break existing mods

[umbral vault]

btw casey, did you contribute code to 1.6 and is that why you have the 1.6 Dev Role

[next plaza]

Pass in the old level as a parameter

[next plaza]

Yes

[umbral vault]

Nice!~

[odd iris]

I've been getting bug reports of people using the statue and keeping both professions. I should see if it's removing professions correctly I guess

[next plaza]

I'm a contractor for CA, though I don't have as much time as the others since I have a full time job. (Pathos does too, I don't know how he manages that and contract work and all the mod stuff)

[umbral vault]

Yeah Pathos is insanely efficient

and have time to make pretty graphs to post on SDV discord about monthly stats

[next plaza]

I imagine the graph making is automated at this point

[blissful panther]

I will continue to link this where relevant: #making-mods-general message

[next plaza]

Rookies link the message every time

[patent lance]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #6252 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/1224743287110242424)

[next plaza]

Pros quote things

[drowsy pewter]

You're not thinking with the times. Forward those messages!

[umbral vault]

.6252

[next plaza]

(Yes I just quoted a 7 month old message, what of it?)

It's

.quote 6252

[patent lance]

#6252

As a large language model, I can't answer questions about my own implementation since it's not part of my training data.

• @ivory plume (Jump)

12 Nov 2024 @ 06:24:22 PM UTC

[umbral vault]

FINE

[lucid iron]

If u forward u can't see it pathos who said it

Big oversight from discord

[tender bloom]

would it be helpful or harmful if I put together a mediocre one for you? 😛

[lucid iron]

Does pathos perform junimo duties too?

[tender bloom]

yeah he green

[lucid iron]

Or is the role just for power to mask links

[tender bloom]

pathos has been green for forever

*since I've been here, which is forever in my book

far longer than masked links

[umbral vault]

Yeah Pathos has been one of the OG Junimos

[next plaza]

I mean, I certainly wouldn't say no

[tender bloom]

mediocre because my chinese is bad, not mediocre on purpose

[hallow prism]

i think pathos junimo duties are mainly dealing with modding stuff and the occasional reminder to keep the discussion in topic here

[tender bloom]

but it's gotta be like what, 10 lines of i18n?

[next plaza]

I can't recall if Pathos was green when I joined or not

My .userinfo doesn't show my join date properly since I've left and rejoined a time or two

I was one of the first 1000 members, back in 2016

(Or maybe I only joined the SMAPI discord at first and I joined the SDV discord in 2017)

[umbral vault]

Oats

sorry, didn't mean to quote you

[tender bloom]

heyyyy chu

you're good at chinese right

[lucid iron]

I wonder if the people asking for Chinese tl is actually like

[tender bloom]

how do you say keybind

[ivory plume]

(Workaholicism and lack of sleep.)

[lucid iron]

Asking for chinese tl on mod added menus lol

[lucid iron]

键位

[tender bloom]

thank you!!!

[hallow prism]

you just wanted to say "oats" out of nowhere then?

[lucid iron]

Swear there is a zhn gmcm tl tho

[tender bloom]

Wait there already is zh.json

what is wrong with these people

[next plaza]

Oh there is? huh

[umbral vault]

Yeah, I remembered one of the earlier members being Oats and him winning a copy of the game... nevermind

[next plaza]

Looks like this is the case, unless I lurked for 4+ months. (My first message in this discord seems to be April 2017)

[lucid iron]

Yeah then it's probably just

Ppl not realizing other mods have to provide the tl

[tender bloom]

I mean there's 1 line that's untranslated

[lucid iron]

Instead of gmcm itself

[tender bloom]

also "mod" is just "MOD" in the zh.json

[lucid iron]

Yeah that's acceptable

Could put 模组 ig

[rancid musk]

Alright, my fork of the decomp is now up to date with 1.6.14. So... anyone who uses the decomp, enjoy

[tender bloom]

"Editable from the title screen:" is the only untranslated line

[lucid iron]

I wish u could localize the mod name and description though, but that would be a smapi change

[umbral vault]

I don't mean to be a pain in the ass, I am just genuinely curious -- is that legal?

[tender bloom]

I would translate that as idk, 可以在title screen上改變

[rancid musk]

It's a fork of Pathos's repo. shrug

[blissful panther]

It's a fork of the "official" one hosted by Pathos, and I'm entirely certain he has permission.

[final arch]

link? 👀

[rancid musk]

I assume Pathos would've said "Knock it off." instead of accepting a PR from me if it was a problem, lol

[final arch]

life saver,. ty

[next plaza]

The fork also isn't public

[umbral vault]

that's awesome, cool~

[next plaza]

You can only see it if you can see Pathos's repo I believe

[tender bloom]

but maybe that should be 需要 instead of 可以

[rancid musk]

Yeah, the fork should have the same access permissions as the original.

[umbral vault]

oh that makes sense

[blissful panther]

Yeah, if you have access to the original you can see it: https://github.com/KhloeLeclair/StardewValley

[umbral vault]

My access was removed for the 1000th time because I left the server for the 1001th time

[next plaza]

I'm looking at my old messages... Apparently I changed the unique ID of a few mods before. (This was back before dependencies were part of SMAPI, or content packs, so there weren't really any consequences)

[final arch]

thanks khloe :3

[next plaza]

The first commit of makeshift multiplayer had the unique ID as "StardewValleyMP"

[rancid musk]

I might end up redoing everything since 1.6.9 depending on how Pathos rules on the ILSpy update, though I personally think it was worth a noisy commit.

[lucid iron]

需要从主菜单设置

hm idk I cant wurd the words here

[tender bloom]

Casey: if you replace this with "需要在标题屏幕上改變" in zh.json, that should be the only thing that needs translation

[rancid musk]

I've got these waiting in my local copy of the repo just in case. lol

[tender bloom]

or with what chu said

which is probably more fluent

[next plaza]

Thanks! (Using chu's)

[tender bloom]

I have no aptitude for chinese gaming terms

[next plaza]

I'll make a comment explaining that mods need to translate themselves on the most recent thread in the comments

[tender bloom]

I can ask for food, tell people not to kill me, and make basic conversation lol

[lucid iron]

I wonder if that person who wanted bilingual mod got anywhere

It was a cool idea just difficult

[tender bloom]

I've thought about something similar

I mean technically the game is already bilingual

the dwarf speaks Dwarvish

[lucid iron]

The idea was to have a button that switch between language on the fly

[tender bloom]

ohhh that sounds trickier

my idea was to have some NPCs that speak a different language

much like the dwarf

[zenith steppe]

In a an objects.json, if it says {{ModId}}_Blahblah: is ModId the Unique Id from the manifest?

[lucid iron]

Failing that, have all chat boxes display 2 languages at once

[tender bloom]

yes, CP replaces it

it's a CP token

[lucid iron]

So if I wanted to learn French with sdv

[tender bloom]

oooh that would be cool

[lucid iron]

I would be able to get French and eng display

[tender bloom]

The chatbox is pretty small though tbh

might be hard to fit

[whole raptor]

That's neat for learning languages

[lucid iron]

Alas the localize system rn is not very conductive to this

[zenith steppe]

Danke! I'm making some item bags and I wanted to make a misc bag for some smol mods!

[lucid iron]

So it's a neat but Hard idea

[tender bloom]

For a clumsier version, maybe just double-stacking dialogue? like play the full French dialogue and then the full English?

I mean still requires work

[lucid iron]

Yeah but that is similar problem in the end

[tender bloom]

but maybe you can swap and swap back

[lucid iron]

Need to reload i18n on the fly correctly

Atm the debug language swap menu, when used with a save loaded, doesn't do smapi i18n properly

[tender bloom]

just call i18n_reload /s

[lucid iron]

And I think event scripts r fixed when loaded so that is additional can o worm

[tender bloom]

oh boy events no fun

[velvet narwhal]

there was the one that prints the language directly to smapi console and then re-> manually copying it into google translate but considering you'd have to do the bluebs thing and transpile the dialogue it'd probably be painful to do the language on the fly
unless you were talking about the other one that had a keybind to swap mid-gameplay, but i think we found out some strings stay cached

tools as well, those ones were cached and gave funny symbols if the original(?) language didn't have them

there could also be discrepancies between localizations so i think the conclusion was, you'd basically already have to be bilingual (or more), make a custom language that had all the symbols you wanted to do the learning tool with, and just double up on the dialogue strings

[lucid iron]

My dum idea is

[velvet narwhal]

i wonder if that dubbed thai mod has it in english and the voices are all in thai

[lucid iron]

Obtain a second Game1.content

[velvet narwhal]

or if i can swap it over to english dialogue with the thai dubbing, that'd be so nice

[lucid iron]

For the alt lang

[next plaza]

I don't understand, why do people like Random Cats in Events more than Angry Seagulls /s

[tiny zealot]

ugh as far as i can tell the code is running to apply map overrides for farmhands, but it has no effect. grimacing

[calm nebula]

You can do that

[velvet narwhal]

as the cat connoisseur yourself, do you really prefer seagulls over cats

[tiny zealot]

(same thing for setting the tile property i need, fwiw)

[next plaza]

You mean people don't want their food stolen every time they go to the beach??? (Or from every bat ever in early versions)

[tender bloom]

needs cuter seagulls

[tender bloom]

if seagulls were as cute as cats

[next plaza]

Wow, you don't like my spritework?

[calm nebula]

Seagulls are cute

[tender bloom]

wait did you draw seagulls? I assumed you would use the ones that hang out on the beach

[next plaza]

And the framework mods only get negative comments!

[tender bloom]

is sending a PR like a positive comment

[next plaza]

Do these look like the vanilla seagulls to you

[tender bloom]

Okay fair those are sea-bats

[velvet narwhal]

i love them but they definitely look like baby chicks with swimming floaties, in a good way

[tender bloom]

but they're not as cute as cats

[next plaza]

I wasn't about to code up a full custom monster for a silly joke mod

[tender bloom]

because cats are really cute

[next plaza]

High effort joke mods are for april fools

Or for better ideas

[velvet narwhal]

or just be selph

[next plaza]

Like Blahaj Blast

[umbral vault]

I thought those were winged pizzas

[velvet narwhal]

💯 solid joke as a contest mod

[next plaza]

This is true

[next plaza]

They stole the pizza from my inventory

[umbral vault]

nothing beats this https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/2755. And I love casey's description for all their mods too

[eternal mortar]

while mapping maps the property type dirt/drass/etc. on the tilesheet isnt working for me? any ideas why? Like when i walk on the imported map in game, the sounds of the dirt or grass or something arent working. Idrk (Please ping me if you know what i need to do)

[velvet narwhal]

can i take casey's likeness to turn all of the villagers to have casey's pfp in appreciation/april fools joke

[hard fern]

i once watched a seagull steal a kid's lunch 😭

[next plaza]

You don't know my likeness Oh, profile picture

[lucid iron]

I asked earlier, but make sure the properties are on Back layer

[next plaza]

My profile picture is a commission, not my own art, so I'm not inclined to grant permission for that 😛

[lucid iron]

And make sure you named it TileData

[rancid musk]

What about an april fools that just makes every NPC upside down has someone done that yet

[velvet narwhal]

valid, i'll just turn all the villagers into cats instead then

i'll make the re-broadcast of Cats™️

[drowsy pewter]

draws a legally distinct version of caseys pfp

[next plaza]

Hope you didn't miss out on https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/14984 and https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/17326 (the latter of which is one of my few CP mods)

[eternal mortar]

kk ty

[hard fern]

i never noticed how odd abby's feet were

[velvet narwhal]

i feel like i've seen this one

[next plaza]

Clearly I need to add MC nametags to stardew and just implement the dinnerbone functionality

[rancid musk]

Also let us make prismatic animals by naming them jeb

[final arch]

is that on the left a magic mod? 👀

[next plaza]

That's Sword and Sorcery 😛

[final arch]

oh :

[next plaza]

So yes

[final arch]

its on my to-play list

[velvet narwhal]

i'm gonna be fighting demons on my actual next play, i'm gonna probably be doing vmv and s&s at the same time

[final arch]

VMV doesnt have many demons 😉

[calm nebula]

Hi Sheku!

I'll send you demons

[final arch]

hi quantum mathperson!

[tender bloom]

threatening aura

[final arch]

no

[velvet narwhal]

ah sheku my comrade in arms, that apparently we're the same mod author, so i should proclaim you as the actual lance modder /lh

[calm nebula]

Which mathperson is which?

[next plaza]

S&S has a lot of fun content.

[hallow prism]

well, if you consider the metal heads demons maybe!

[tender bloom]

you'll never know

[brittle pasture]

I'll have you know I was being 200% serious when I devised the ||dimension of infinite suffering by pixelated jpegs||

[next plaza]

And 13k lines of C# code for the mechanics

[calm nebula]

S&S seems great

[tender bloom]

if you're red/orange colorblind, that is

[final arch]

with your custom C# Im sure 😄

13k? damn :d

[calm nebula]

We need to find a general relativity

[velvet narwhal]

yeah my 'solid joke' was that you were serious about it, in the wholesale that you meant it

[hallow prism]

look at their little horns

[next plaza]

That's also not counting the SpaceCore features I ended up writing mainly because of S&S - like the dungeon/spawnable system, and the guidebooks

[final arch]

guidebooks?

I really gotta check it out one day 😄

it still requires ES, right?

[next plaza]

For now, a non-ES version with more content is being worked on

[hallow prism]

(i just noticed i never used my blue moon monster)

[next plaza]

(Or will be once things stabilize)

[velvet narwhal]

time to change that--

[next plaza]

I'm not working on it anymore, but I expect good things out of it

[tender bloom]

You have the blue one ... soemwhere I swear

maybe ||winter rift||??

[hallow prism]

hmm

maybe then! but i should spawn them on other places once in a ... well, at least once in a season 😄

[next plaza]

Yeah, here was my initial test: #making-mods-general message

S&S has much more in depth now though

[umbral vault]

I did in fact miss these. I'm glad this exists

[next plaza]

However, S&S is a complex example to look at. Like blueberry said: #making-mods-general message

[lucid iron]

For future s&s things who should we contact

[final arch]

oh neat 😄

[next plaza]

Here's the test data: https://gist.github.com/spacechase0/18743e1ead1c33fadc807040fdb3626c

[final arch]

I thought that a guidebook for the major quests of SVE/RSV would be super neat recently

[lucid iron]

Or direct whatever that comes up in support to

[next plaza]

S&S has a NPC profiles, event guides, information about the new mechanics and skills introduced, etc.
There's a lot to it

[final arch]

lots hardcoded? or everything done with a framework?

[umbral vault]

See you'll around. Gotta go work on some hackathon related stuff. Have a good day/evening/night!!

[next plaza]

Uh, I guess the best place would be the thread for bugs on the ES server? A few members of the team are on this server too, but desty isn't

[next plaza]

Nothing is hardcoded for S&S, or it wouldn't be part of SpaceCore 😛

Check out the gist I linked, it has the CP patch and corresponding i18n

The formatting used for guidebook pages is similar to bbcode

[final arch]

ah thought the gist is the example from the vid

[next plaza]

I think it is, but that's what I was testing with

[rancid musk]

(Those guidebooks are basically a simpler version of what Almanac Next has, but I am not sharing screenshots until I get further along / happier with my data format.)

[next plaza]

It's not the full S&S guiedbook at all

[next plaza]

Oh, were you planning on content pack driven books like that? Oops

[rancid musk]

It's fine. We can both have data driven books.

[next plaza]

Almanac sorta slipped my mind, and I didn't realize it could do custom books (or was planned)

[rancid musk]

It's fine, it won't be out for a while still.

I'm being all perfectionist on it, lol

Patchouli-inspired custom books are absolutely on my list of things to do. Along with data driven books + templating.

I don't want to have anything hardcoded

Well outside rendering I mean

Can't really data-driven a fishtank into existance or something

[next plaza]

Yeah, one of the reasons I asked Pathos about using i18n keys from i18n values in CP was for a templating-lite thing

I need to do that PR still...

[tiny zealot]

coward /lh

[blissful panther]

Sounds like we're all going to have custom book type things, because MEEP will have those... eventually.

[rancid musk]

I'm using https://github.com/scriban/scriban for templating since I wanted more powerful stuff like loops and if statements.

[blissful panther]

Though MEEP ones will be far more "a page is an arbitrary image" style, so not even close to the same thing.

[next plaza]

Meanwhile, me, writing my own parser

I seem to have a habit of doing that

[rancid musk]

I've already gone through my "I want to write my own parser." days. I am beyond that.

[next plaza]

Exhibit A: Guidebooks
Exhibit B: Content Engine
Exhibit C: My old XML parser for C++
Exhibit D: My old zip file reader for C++

For my game I'm using my Content Engine for data stuff, Project Fluent for translations, and am gonna use Yarn Spinner for events/dialogue

So I'm not completely addicted to writing my own parsers

[next plaza]

Oh, Exhibit E: My UI reader, sorta (just uses C# XML though, but I did those both for SpaceCore UI and my game using Mlem.Ui)

[rancid musk]

The last time I wrote my own parser it was "I want to write my own dice rolling bot" and it ended up able to handle pretty much any math up to calculus. For... whatever reason.

[next plaza]

I would like to roll 4d(log_e^2), please

[blissful panther]

You're already handling basic numbers, so why not? That's a sensible thought process, right?

[final arch]

whats the d doing there?

[rancid musk]

That's actually one of the limits. You can only roll a die with an integer number of sides.

No rolling a 0.5 sided die

[final arch]

hope it has physics simulation at least

[rancid musk]

(That means "roll 4 die with log_e^2 sides")

[final arch]

ah ups

[velvet narwhal]

up to calculus has scary connotations imo

[next plaza]

It's dice rolling notation - ie. 8d6 is 8 rolls of a 6 sided die (fireball anyone?)

[rancid musk]

You know, I should add statistics to my dice bot.

Make it a plot a graph of every possible value and the likelyhood of getting it

[latent mauve]

I don't suppose there's a reference sheet anywhere for what coordinates SVE and RSV use for their custom NPCs at festivals?

[brittle ledge]

There is but it's not been updated for 1.6

[latent mauve]

Ah, so they'd only be correct for year 1?

[brittle ledge]

Which is mostly a problem for SVE positions since I don't know most other NPCs have changed

But yeah, search the modding wiki for Custom NPC tiles, that's the spreadsheet+info

[latent mauve]

I mean, at the end of the day, an overlapping NPC isn't the worst thing, but I'm just trying to get ahead of complaints since I don't use either

[brittle ledge]

Yeah, I basically coordinate with all the NPCs I like and throw SVE compat to the winds

[velvet narwhal]

you avoid putting your custom npcs in vanilla festivals altogether and make your own festivals in your expansions

but ik you're working on that gojo mod

[next plaza]

Slight problem with that

Any festival closes town shops I think

[latent mauve]

Passive ones are safe from that, right? >_>

[next plaza]

Hmm... maybe?

[velvet narwhal]

quietly, "shame"...

oh is that why DTZ had the prefix?

[next plaza]

Hmm, I can't find the code for this now actually

Ah, there it is

It's not shops

It's LockedDoorWarp tile actions

[velvet narwhal]

ah, ig i could do some crimes

[next plaza]

If the it's a festival day and it's in the valley location context, actually

So they will work in other location contexts

But not in the valley

[velvet narwhal]

oh, free game then

none of my festivals are located on vanilla maps

[next plaza]

Well, I mean, if you have a festival in your location context, it'll close vanilla locked door warps. That's what I mean

[brittle ledge]

Lmao

[lucid iron]

you just need to update atra's mod for that

[velvet narwhal]

committing crimes it is then

[next plaza]

Passive festivals don't count

[brittle ledge]

But yeah, passive festivals should avoid that

[rancid temple]

Oh I guess that is why DTZ adds that prefix, so oops my mod that makes door locks not a thing also does that in Zuzu, oh well that's kind of the point lmao

[velvet narwhal]

which one specifically? i still have atra's full list but i haven't checked back on it to see which ones i wanted

[lucid iron]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/13050

[next plaza]

Man, some of the game's stuff is in weird places. Why is "canRespec" in GameLocation. (I get it, because that's where the respect statue code is, but it's still kinda weird)

[velvet narwhal]

i will never let go of warpTotemForReal

[rancid temple]

The sheer amount of stuff in Game1 and GameLocation is insane lol

[velvet narwhal]

because that is 💯 what i would name a method

[rancid temple]

It makes it an actual surprise when things aren't in them

[brittle ledge]

Avi, if you decide to go passive festival talk to Max and Sophie - there were a few shenanigans involved with the implementation for Sunberry

[next plaza]

Um, actually, it's totemWarpForReal 🤓 (also that makes sense in Object in my opinion)

[lucid iron]

they put canRespec in GameLocations for the modders clearly

rip LostAndFound

[velvet narwhal]

this is true, i could just set yours as a dependency but what's the fun in that, i commit my own crimes

[brittle pasture]

wait a second... I was wondering why town doors were locking in festivals for me after 1.6.9. I know that doors unlocking in festivals wasn't vanilla and one of the mod in my save was responsible for it, I just couldn't find which mod was it.
Apparently it is (was) DTZ? Lol

[next plaza]

That is vanilla though?

That's what we were just talking about

[brittle ledge]

Was it like the first week of spring? They have a block party.

[brittle pasture]

corrected my post

[rancid temple]

DTZ has a skipping prefix for the method that handles like every action lol

[next plaza]

Ah

[rancid temple]

Intended to add locked doors during festivals to Zuzu

[brittle pasture]

I can't English sometimes

[next plaza]

...what

[lucid iron]

what is the status of dtz dev

[next plaza]

Why not just do lockedDoorWarp specifically

[rancid temple]

I could not for the life of me figure out why it was there

[next plaza]

...Maybe that didn't use to exist

[lucid iron]

like could u send them a PR to fix that

instead of working around it

[rancid temple]

But knowing the festival stuff only affects the Valley context makes a lot of sense

I can't because it's not open source

Button ended up finding the issue by decompiling the dll lol

Even if it was open source, a PR before would have been a problem as I didn't know what the intention was, so it would have been an incorrect solution

I did also ping Harvz about it, but never got a response

[distant radish]

Try the DTZ Discord server, he's usually there

[next plaza]

lockedDoorWarp has existed since 1.0

(That is, the function in GameLocation)

Maybe the prefix did more than just that?

[rancid temple]

Oof, does it have any good emojis or stickers? Because I'm not too bothered by just nuking his patch at this point

[distant radish]

No idea haha

[rancid temple]

I wasn't thinking at the time, so instead of just unpatching his patch, I made a skipping prefix to his skipping prefix lmao

[next plaza]

That's certainly... a solution

[rancid temple]

I still haven't had to update this mod so I haven't fixed it

[gaunt orbit]

In 1.5 I did that with pfm lol

[rancid temple]

Looking at Unpatch though, that's actually not tremendously different from what it's doing lmao

[next plaza]

I wonder if you can unskip it with a new patch

I think there's a variable for telling if it's already been skipped

But can you ref and change it...

Huh, latest harmony lets you put categories for patches, and you can unpatch a particular category

[rancid musk]

Unpatching is fun.

[rancid temple]

Now that I know why it exists, maybe I'll fix it correctly when I have some free time lol

[rancid musk]

I've got code for my mods to force unpatch anything that's patching my methods, though so far I've only used it for one mod that was making things break.

[proud wyvern]

That sounds… bad

[next plaza]

__runOriginal:

To learn if the original is/was skipped you can inject **`bool __runOriginal`**. This is a readonly injection to understand if the original will be run (in a Prefix) or was run (in a Postfix).

[ornate trellis]

Anyone know is something is up with custom mayo? I got a comment saying my gem dino mayo isnt sellable anymore and I jsut tested and it is indeed NOT sellable anymore.

[next plaza]

RIP unskipping

[proud wyvern]

Like, if a mod author goes so defensive about it, then I may just kinda say screw it and ignore any compatibility for said mod

[rancid temple]

There's a change with artisan goods, I recall

[languid aurora]

It's the !important of modding

[rancid temple]

Trying to remember who was having that issue to search for it lol

[next plaza]

Brb patching your force unpatch method to not happen so I can still patch your methods

Everyone loves a good arms race

[rancid temple]

#making-mods-general message

[rancid musk]

This was just because people were running an outdated version of some other mod and its patches totally broke Better Crafting.

[rancid temple]

Found it

[rancid musk]

So I had to stop it from patching BC as a result.

The new version was already using my API, but... users

[ornate trellis]

I am jsut sittingg here a bit baffled be4cause when i hover over it in my menu then i get the usual info and can check it with LookupAnything but when i am in the shipping bin menu i cant(but any other item)

[rancid temple]

Turns out that the fields that may have seemed optional before are less optional now lol

[rancid musk]

(Nevermind trying to figure out why they updated my mod and not that mod)

[proud wyvern]

I’d just tell these users to go away

[ornate trellis]

huh...guess i gotta figure out what fields i need

[proud wyvern]

I’m serious, having an unpatch arms race is never good. What if you suddenly lose interest in modding, or something happens to you

[next plaza]

Yeah, agreeing with Shockah here

[proud wyvern]

Without it, you at least give others a way out

[ornate trellis]

wait....which Type is mayo then? I had it like this "Type": "Basic",

[final arch]

artisangood?

[uncut viper]

#making-mods-general message

[next plaza]

Brb patching harmony in my mod constructor (not Entry) to not allow patching my assembly at all

[ornate trellis]

oh

now I wonder why i did basic back then

[next plaza]

Yeah, definitely wasn't intended to be optional to begin with 😛

[proud wyvern]

Edit all mods’ manifest.json to also have your mod as a dependency, so it loads first for sure

[ornate trellis]

(ah now i remember cuz mayo had basic)

I need to unpack the game again my version is too old by now, hm

[rancid temple]

Either I completely missed this or it was lost to my bad memory. Thanks

[uncut viper]

also just FYI this wont fix existing mayo in game

setting it after the fact i mean

[drowsy pewter]

yup

had to use buttons mod to fix all existing items on player saves

[rancid temple]

Gotta throw out all your old mayo

Oh, BETAS?

[uncut viper]

BETAS has an action that can take existing items and update their fields to match what a newly spawned item would be

you get to choose which fields to update

[rancid temple]

I forgot it could do that, such a good mod lol

[old edge]

Hello, all I am currently working on implementing multiplayer compatibility on a custom map with a custom type added with spacecore. However the hardened lava is not showing for both player. So far I got the lava cooling logic to work it's just the missing tile texture for hrdened lava isn't showing for other player. Anyone here wanna help?

[uncut viper]

a very niche action that became surprisingly useful

[next plaza]

Check out how the vanilla volcano does it - while it does use a net field for the cooled tiles so that players who weren't in the location and enter it later can see the old cooled tiles, it uses a net event when it is initially triggered to make the TAS / play the sound / set the tiles for everyone

[velvet narwhal]

button says niche, made a trigger action action of adding more dialogue, circumventing all NPC creators woes of "my npcs aren't talkative enough"

i need pathos specifically saying, "Button: 'Let's fix that!'" as a quote

[zenith robin]

Is there a way to make a map where the player is able to grow crops from multiple but not all seasons?

[uncut viper]

i meant the item field updater specifically!

[rancid temple]

You could patch the crop data, but without C# you can't affect crops already planted

[velvet narwhal]

i wouldn't suggest patching IsFarm on a conditional, that will get messy, fast

[rancid temple]

Unless BETAS also can fix that

(It seems like it would be fairly complicated to make that so)

[velvet narwhal]

hmm maybe the data/location CanPlantHere set on conditional, but i don't know what that'll happen on the saveloaded/daystarted resets regarding what'll happen to crops

[tender bloom]

Look at what Visit Mount Vapius does for crops that can be planted only in Mount Vapius in some seasons, perhaps

[hallow prism]

i use the vanilla feature of allow and deny

[tender bloom]

For example, the ||Galaxy Fruit||, iirc?

[hallow prism]

which can be added to vanilla crops

(i forbid ancient fruits in VMV for ex)

        {
            "LogName": "Ancient fruit Editing",
            "Action": "EditData",
            "Target": "Data/Crops",
            "TargetField": [
                "499",
                "PlantableLocationRules"
            ],
            "Entries": {
                "Lumisteria.MtVapius_DenyVMV": {
                    "Id": "Lumisteria.MtVapius_DenyVMV",
                    "Condition": "LOCATION_CONTEXT Here Lumisteria_MtVapius_Main",
                    "PlantedIn": "Any",
                    "Result": "Deny",
                    "DeniedMessage": "{{i18n: MtVapiusAncientSeeds_DenyMessage}}"
                },
            },
        },```

[ornate trellis]

I can still not sell my mayo :(

[blissful saddle]

another CP question: if my custom asset png has the exact size of what I want to edit in the target asset I yet need the "FromArea" argument on my content.json?

[ornate trellis]

theres no artisan goods type, the vanilla mayos are all basic. unless I gotta change the category but i did change it to the same as the vanilla mayo got

I am confusion

[rancid temple]

Should be fine to leave out FromArea if it's the correct size

[blissful saddle]

seems like I gonna test it

[rancid temple]

You should always test what people tell you anyways

[ornate trellis]

{
    "Changes": [
        
        {
            "LogName": "Data for Gem Dinosaur Egg",      
            "Action": "EditData",
            "Target": "Data/Objects",
            "Entries": {
                "VoidWitchCult.CP.GemDinosaurCoopAnimal_GemDinosaurEgg": {
                    "Category": -26,
                    "Description": "{{i18n:VWW.GemDinosaurEgg.Description}}",
                    "Displayname": "{{i18n:VWW.GemDinosaurEgg.name}}",
                    "Name": "VoidWitchCult.CP.GemDinosaurCoopAnimal_GemDinosaurEgg",
                    "Price": 600,
                    "Texture": "Mods/VoidWitchCult.CP.GemDinosaurCoopAnimal/GemDinosaurEgg",
                    "Type": "Basic",
                    "Edibility": 20,
                    "isDrink": true,
                    "ContextTags": [
                        "color_blue",
                        "mayo_item"
                    ],
                }
            }
        }
    ]
}

[rancid temple]

Just to be sure this is with spawning a new item?

[ornate trellis]

yes

[hallow prism]

can you provide a log?

when you say "sell" you mean what? shipping bin or else?

[ornate trellis]

wait..

i am only looking at the egg part

[rancid temple]

Oh yeah, lmao, that is indeed the egg

[hard fern]

lol

[ornate trellis]

lmao i am so used looking at object data

ok new try

and AHA type is missing for the mayo

[eternal mortar]

when making a map, how do i register the water as water? Like water you can fish in and stuff.

[final arch]

Water T map property

[ornate trellis]

good thing yall are surely used to my constant state of confusion, right...

[rancid temple]

Should be a tile property if you look at the property window with the water tile selected

[rancid temple]

Some of them don't have it

[eternal mortar]

is the property suposed to be on the tile sheet

[rain basalt]

water dirt diggable need to be on the specified tile properties on the tile sheet

[rancid temple]

Left is the properties, right is the selected tile

[eternal mortar]

alright thanks sm

[rancid temple]

You can add it to tilesets by editing it

[rain basalt]

also passable f for tiles you want to be non walkable on the back layer

i use one water tile with this to stop people from walking off bridges

[eternal mortar]

T² or just T

[rain basalt]

just T

the 2 is for description on the wiki

[rancid temple]

Should be another one of those where the actual thing put in there doesn't matter

[eternal mortar]

ohh yeah the wiki confuses me sm

[rancid temple]

Just needs any value to be valid

Putting T or F is mostly just for your own sake of remembering what it does lol

[rain basalt]

for water yah but passable it is specific

[rancid temple]

It is not

The only specificity of passable is which layer it's on

Passable on Back becomes impassable, on Buildings it becomes passable

Value doesn't matter

[rain basalt]

so Passable on back just autos to F and on buildings T regardless of charecter?

[rancid temple]

Does not auto, simply doesn't matter

If you put nothing, it will fail in fact

[rain basalt]

hmm interesting

[blissful saddle]

just to register, it works

[lucid iron]

the T and F could be "Pufferchick"

[blissful saddle]

I am happy

[lucid iron]

logic depends entirely on which layer u put it on

[rain basalt]

learn something new lol i always put in T or F based on what im trying to do with it

[blissful saddle]

and I am very proud of my pixel editing just discovered skills

[lucid iron]

its conventional and useful note to self

[rancid temple]

It's not a bad idea just to keep track of what you intend for it, just as long as you know how it actually works

[eternal mortar]

last question, I asked earlier but havent figured it out yet. while mapping maps the property type dirt/drass/etc. on the tilesheet isnt working for me? any ideas why? Like when i walk on the imported map in game, the sounds of the dirt or grass or something arent working. Idrk Is the property supposed to be on the tile sheet or the map??

[rain basalt]

are you placing it on every tile your using for dirt or just one tile

[lucid iron]

something u can do is to check the file in game

with lookup anything

[rancid temple]

There was something else with that right, like it only works Outdoors or something?

[velvet narwhal]

Outdoors only iirc

[eternal mortar]

ill figure it out

[velvet narwhal]

On mobile so I can't check but the tilesheet shouldn't have to be messed with if you use a vanilla map

[lucid iron]

oh yea did u put Outdoors or TreatAsOutdoors

[rain basalt]

also if your using tiled you can see the properties and all tiles with this icon and hovering over the a tile shows all tiles

[rancid temple]

Yeah, best advice is still to take a vanilla map as the base, make a copy and build your map from there

Discord say no

[rain basalt]

lol

[lucid iron]

bolb discord pls

ok yes if ur tile props are like this it should be Dirt sounds

[ornate trellis]

heck yeah

[fossil bear]

is someone knowledgable about the monogame pipeline tool?

[rain basalt]

no clue what that is

sorry

[fossil bear]

Monogame is the engine stardew valley is build with. Pipeline tool lets you compile it.

[rain basalt]

ah lol

[velvet narwhal]

If you need a decompile it's usually suggested ilspy

!decompile

[ocean sail]

If you want to make SMAPI mods with C#, one important resource is decompiling the game to read the game code. Here's how to do it: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/Get_Started#How_do_I_decompile_the_game_code.3F

To use this command, type !decompile.

[fossil bear]

nah im trying to compile an GLSL FX file to MGFXO so Stardew Valley can load it

[velvet narwhal]

Ah are you the mgfxo from earlier

[fossil bear]

yes i am xD

Im trying to implement shaders to the game. MonoGame lets you do it. I just have to figure out how to actually compile my FX file so SMAPI wont produce errors.

And can actually test my shader.

[velvet narwhal]

Uhhh where's ichor

ichor used shaders for nightshade but I don't think they used mgfxo

[rancid musk]

I wrote instructions on that for Cloudy Skies: https://github.com/KhloeLeclair/StardewMods/blob/main/CloudySkies/author-guide.md#custom-shaders

Basically though you need to install super old stuff because Stardew's monogame is old.

[fossil bear]

I installed 3.7 MonoGame Pipeline tool. But it handles my FX file as an Asset somehow and compiles it into an XNB.

[next plaza]

I mean, you can just use the monogame effect compiler

I did it once

[fossil bear]

Im doing that. But somehow its not compiling into the correct fileformat

[next plaza]

Oh, I see that's in Khloe's instructions

(I assumed Khloe meant XNA stuff based on "super old stuff")

[rancid musk]

You need .NET Core 3 that's pretty dang old

[next plaza]

It must've been on my old computer that I did shader stuff

[fossil bear]

But wait. What is CloudySkies?

[next plaza]

Weather framework that just so happens to let you use custom shaders

[rancid musk]

The relevant part for you is the version of tools to install to let you compile your effect files.

[fossil bear]

But your project is quite interesting. Maybe you can help me:
Im trying to recreate some lighting in SDV.
I want to have smoother transitions and more realistic lighting effects. Also Lanterns emitting more warm colors.

I already wrote the DLL But maybe i can use your framework to handle the shader injection.

[velvet narwhal]

"Just so happens" I'm seeing a trend in khloes creations. Dice roller that can do "up to calculus"

[next plaza]

"Wait, why would you need that old of a MG tool for SDV, didn't we update MonoGame at some point."

"Oh, Effect.cs hasn't been updated in 4 years, guess not"

[fossil bear]

The effect part hasnt been updated in 4 years?!

[next plaza]

The mgfx latest version number (in official MG) was updated 6 months after the last update to Effect.cs

[next plaza]

Yep, why update MG when the game is relatively stable (and we have a bunch of custom modifications to MG)

[velvet narwhal]

Is Casey the reason why we have harmony? Cause of the og multi-player mod?

[fossil bear]

yeah thats somewhat true. but now you have to use super old net core version to actually modify some effects

[next plaza]

I'm sure the modding community would have discovered it otherwise

But uh

https://github.com/spacechase0/SpaceCore_SDV/issues/2

Makeshift Multiplayer was the reason SpaceCore had that hijack function

[velvet narwhal]

"Very dangerous" I'll take it.

[next plaza]

Well sure, but for what it's worth, SDV effects haven't been touched (besides removing unused things) in 3 years

The effects files themselves, 5 years

We also don't even build the effect file every time - we have the .fx file which might be built every time for the compat branch, but for the main branch it's literally an xnb file in the repo

(Why? I don't know)

[zenith robin]

Is there an easy way to make a section of dirt not diggable?

[next plaza]

(We definitely don't use the MG effects builder anywhere)

[zenith robin]

I assumed diggable F would work, but it didn't.

[fossil bear]

I still dont understand why i cant just inject an fx file. SMAPI always asks for MGFXO

and the only possible ways to get them is to use the pipeline tool or dotnet-mgfxc

[next plaza]

fx is basically source code for the shader, it needs to be compiled like MG understands

Most every game compiles their shaders to some extent as far as I know

[rancid musk]

I wouldn't suggest Cloudy Skies for general shader injection. It's designed so the shaders only run in the relevant weather conditions. Best to just inject them yourself. Especially if you want to mess with lighting in a more significant way, since you might need to force lighting into a separate render target.

[fossil bear]

Dang. Quite a challenge then xD

[tender bloom]

if a property is Diggable T, the game is literally only checking that T is a string that exists

[lucid iron]

you need to modify the tilesheet to not have diggable on the dirt tile

[zenith robin]

Thats what I thought I was going to have to end up doing.

[velvet narwhal]

If you don't care about recolor compat you can load a custom separate tilesheet tbh

[drowsy pewter]

modifying the tilesheet is easier than loading a separate copy

[velvet narwhal]

Ig I haven't looked that deeply into modifications cause I use things like grass is tillable

[hard fern]

Grass is tillable (one tile) normally

[drowsy pewter]

its just a separate tab on the map file

if we're talking about the same thing

[hard fern]

Mod that makes everything tillable

[next plaza]

Maybe I'm missing context, but... no?

[velvet narwhal]

My brain was thinking of how the game sees the untitled tile sheet on its indexes

[next plaza]

Or do you mean only one tile among all the grass tiles is

[hard fern]

Thats why i said one tile

[next plaza]

Ah

[hard fern]

Only one, singular grass tile XD

[next plaza]

I misinterpreted that part, sorry

I'm surprised there's one tile that is

[hard fern]

No worries

It's the "darker grass" where the middle is apparently tillable

[velvet narwhal]

Oh actually can you just format it with the text ver of the tmx

[tardy adder]

Hmm I wish no sprinklers was also map property and not tile

[rancid musk]

(I'm gonna be honest I spent this whole conversation mistaking the word tillable for tileable.)

[tardy adder]

Because Imma about to do something wild

[next plaza]

I did at first glance too

[lucid iron]

was there a Type Sand

[velvet narwhal]

Sandystep?

[lucid iron]

i was thinking i should make sand not usable for sprinkler but i forget where to set that

[velvet narwhal]

Wouldn't you have to patch the sprinklers

[lucid iron]

no like the beach farm

[hard fern]

Isn't that also in the tiles

[velvet narwhal]

(Does this show how I never use anything but standard)

[rancid temple]

I think sand just uses Dirt

[lucid iron]

ah yea the prop was NoSprinklers

[lofty ruin]

I planned for the IDs to correspond with the text they're associated with, and the last one isn’t working. It automatically triggers another one rather than the one it’s bound to, but if it’s no longer 715, then I'm not sure what the ID is now. Now I’m speculating that none of these are connected to the text they're under.

Giftastes.json https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/501291ee097e4ac89eaaa8ee63e92781

[blissful saddle]

so I just found that I can't have a c# and a cp mod at the same time (modmanifest is invalid because I have both EntryDll and ContentPackFor).

I want to add a token through CP extensibility API. So I need to make two separate mods, right?

I just zip them together at the end

[rancid temple]

They have to have separate manifests but they can be in the same parent folder

[blissful saddle]

oh nice

[acoustic summit]

Thats what Ive done yeah, one parent folder two submods

[rancid temple]

So you'd have

My Mod Folder
- CP Folder
-- content.json
-- manifest.json
- C# Folder
-- dll
-- manifest.json

[lucid iron]

if you just want to add a cp token for other mods to use

then u just need regular dependency on content patcher

[next plaza]

If you want a CP pack too, you may want this as well: https://github.com/Pathoschild/SMAPI/blob/develop/docs/technical/mod-package.md#bundle-content-packs

[calm nebula]

Meanie

Unless this is the sand of the greenhouse

[lucid iron]

yea its the sand of the greenhouse

i want ppl to put fish ponds there instead

[rancid temple]

Looks like you have too many indexes

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Gift_taste_data

[calm nebula]

I would say something about being perfect for ||legend ponds|| if I played on PC at all

[lucid iron]

yesterday i also tried making smaller ponds as a test

[calm nebula]

Yeah, smaller ponds would be nice

Also would take approx 30 minutes of work I suspect

20 min of that doing art

[lucid iron]

the aedernthorn mod of same name is impl in old way (separate fish pond class) and has issues with saving

[rancid temple]

Poor fish, getting crammed into tiny little puddles

[lucid iron]

well no it draws funny

[calm nebula]

Wasn't a Lucy mod

Was someone else

[lucid iron]

has to fix that

[calm nebula]

But yup. Was just going to make it a fishpond and harmony the draw function lol

Unfortunate there is big gulf between what I can do and what I want to do lol

[lucid iron]

ah yea i misremember

[brittle pasture]

Same, I'm this close to entering rage mode and (re)port smaller fish ponds myself
but lazy and tired

[lucid iron]

this is with just cp change to 4x4 size

works technically just a lil funny looking

[hard fern]

The smaller fish ponds i remember were 3x3 i think

[lucid iron]

i dont like how they look

its fish abuse

[brittle pasture]

ah yeah, I don't remember if this was the OG or one of the unofficial ports/fixes, but it used to revert to 5x5 fish ponds on day end to avoid serializing anything, and as a result it will yeet objects around it the next day

[hard fern]

it saves so much spaceee

[lucid iron]

but if we properly impl the new way

[hard fern]

I don't remember the original mod doing that 🤔

[lucid iron]

people can make whatever sized ponds they want

[brittle pasture]

they should have worked harder then, because I could fill their space with crops/animal house and make 5x money

even with ||golden animal cracker||

[lucid iron]

at any rate i dun have that much interest in making this happen rn

[calm nebula]

Was gonna make the pop limit lower lol

But everyone is tired and exhausted these days

[lucid iron]

excited to con whatever new modder coming in asking for mod idea

[brittle pasture]

how many 2025 projects you have already, just one more is fine right

[lucid iron]

well i think i am doing decent on clearing my backlog

[calm nebula]

I'm doing great at clearing my backlof!

[lucid iron]

u have -2 backlog

[calm nebula]

It's called sending all idea to dev/null

[hard fern]

My backlog sure.. uh

[brittle pasture]

I think if I am to solve my gripe with fish ponds unproductivity I'll just make a 5 minute mod that doubles the output of every entry in Data/FishPond

instead of looking at draw code again for smaller fish ponds

[drowsy pewter]

The length of my "projects for 2025" list is 2025-me's problem

2025-6480

[brittle ledge]

Pretty sure the 3x3 ponds was called Fish Wells? And yeah, it wasn't Lucy

[calm nebula]

I want more fish variety, says person who never plays the game

[brittle pasture]

I too love to torment future me, to take off the stress of being tormented by past me

[thorny tiger]

so smapi now needs 1.6.14

and i updated smapi for it

but stardew is 1.6.13 and i dont have an update button?

[brittle pasture]

I guess Aquarism tries to make fish pond choices more diverse? But tbh I kinda disagree with much of its balance changes

[brittle ledge]

Would you like some... sea bass

[lucid iron]

tbh my bigger concern w/ smaller pond is like

[calm nebula]

Ah yes, the modder -4455

[hallow prism]

i like the idea of having fish ponds but yeah, competition with the other stuff is hard

[lucid iron]

i cant use retextures

or i could but i draw them at a wacky scale

[drowsy pewter]

Thanks, I was scratching my head on that one

[lucid iron]

so they look bad anyways

[thorny tiger]

mathperson for a reason

[brittle ledge]

Could you not make them custom farm buildings in CP? Or is it not that flexible

[lucid iron]

yea that'd be the only way

rn it is not, but point of mod would be to make it respect size in draw

so that u can just do it™️

[calm nebula]

This supposed -4455 modder

An 11 is fun

[lucid iron]

oh no i thought of a name

Fish Pondery

[calm nebula]

Smol Fish Ponds is right there

[lucid iron]

i must resist

but atra what if someone adds moby dick

and he needs a fish lake

[calm nebula]

Scale max population based on fish size

[acoustic summit]

Find pond size ym?

[brittle pasture]

8x8 fish pond, whales with 2x2 sprite

[acoustic summit]

Cause that would be cool

[lucid iron]

nature i volunteer u to fix the pond draws

[acoustic summit]

I am late, I do not know what draws are being discussed

In any case thats scary

[lucid iron]

{
  "Changes": [
    {
      "Action": "EditData",
      "Target": "Data/Buildings",
      "TargetField": [
        "Fish Pond"
      ],
      "Entries": {
        "Size": {
          "X": 4,
          "Y": 4
        }
      }
    },
  ]
}

1.6 building data does let me make pond physically smaller without additional help

but some of the draw logic is still hardcoded

need to do a transpiler on a couple of things in FishPond.cs

[brittle pasture]

just do skipping prefix you know you want to

[acoustic summit]

M still stuck on making character jumps carry across multiplayer. Even in the updateAnimation loop farmhands are blind to the hops.

Though the animation works, so thats good

[calm nebula]

I mean I was and also considering a nine slice

[brittle pasture]

9 slice is genius lol, solves all scaling issues forever*
*probably not, I don't even think the base sprite is neatly slicable

[calm nebula]

But clearly we make legendary modder -4455 do it right?

[lucid iron]

the base sprite aint even symmetrical

ig u do it like this though

retextures still rip i imagine

[brittle pasture]

u cut the bucket in half u monster

[lucid iron]

the bucket needs special handling anyways

[lucid iron]

note the double bucket here

but see the edge of rocks dun slice quite right

need to art there

[brittle pasture]

Pond-ering balance again (hah, get it) and it seems even after the nerf ||legendary fish ponds|| are actually really good at making big bucks. maybe I'll just do this for the pleb fish to bring them up to par

[lucid iron]

smol ponds for smol fish

i always enjoyed SVE's minnow

[calm nebula]

I want variety in the fish i raise b/c I want variety in fishies

I don't have an issue with lack of productivity

I'm not that much of a capitalism

[rancid temple]

Fish pond overhaul that makes it so you can have different kinds of fish living together and you have to keep a good variety to maximize happiness

[brittle pasture]

ah, but one leads to the other, since in vanilla basically any pleb fish but like 2 is not worth raising

[calm nebula]

Yes!

[brittle pasture]

though VMV+SVE solves that pretty well I think

they both have fish with interesting drops

[lucid iron]

yea i guess u start with a drop overhaul

for vanilla feesh

[calm nebula]

Selph, you do it

[brittle pasture]

maybe in 2025

[dreamy cedar]

Could somebody please tell me what I'm doing wrong here? I'm trying to write an event where Lewis asks a question - there's no actual effect of any of the answers, Lewis is just trying to make smalltalk. I'm copying what I see in Penny's bathhouse event which seems to have a similar kind of thing. Here's what I've got. All Lewis does with this is put up the question - there's no choices for the player here.

speak Lewis "$q -1 null#Ah! @! What brings you to the forest today?#$r -1 0 event_lewismopes1#Hunting mushrooms!#$r -1 0 event_lewismopes2#Catching exotic fish!#$r -1 0 event_lewismopes3#$r -1 0 event_lewismopes4#Just looking for quiet time in the woods."

Here's Penny's from the bathhouse, for comparison:

speak Penny "$q -1 null#Do you know why I asked you here tonight?$8#$r -1 0 event_pool1#You have something to tell me.#$r -1 0 event_pool2#I'm not exactly sure.#$r -1 0 event_pool3#You wanted to see me in my bathing suit."

All seems completely at-odds with what the docs say $q and $r should do: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Dialogue#Format

[latent mauve]

I wonder if this little quirk of QuickQuestions might be the issue?
Note: If quickQuestion is used immediately at the start of an event block (Example: "ExampleEvent": "quickQuestion [rest of the event]"), it will cause a dialogue loop. Adding another command in front of quickQuestion resolves this issue (Example: "ExampleEvent": "pause 1/quickQuestion [rest of the event]").

hard to know without having the entire event block, honestly

[calm nebula]

Please use quick question

Please

[latent mauve]

quick question is way easier to use, though, than whatever vanilla did there

[dreamy cedar]

How would you rephrase that into QuickQuestion?

[latent mauve]

format is quickQuestion <question>#<answer1>#<answer2>#<answer3>(break)<answer1 script>(break)<answer2 script>(break)<answer3 script> according to the wiki

there are examples somewhere

oh man, I remember this conversation about quickQuestion: #1277457201077813280 message

[brittle ledge]

I use quickQuestion in the Jorts and Jean events that involve the farmer, feel free to use as an example!

[dreamy cedar]

The bummer about QuickQuestion is that it doesn't show the speaker's portrait.

[faint junco]

I'm new to Stardew modding and playing around with CP, I found the CustomFields and ModData but it throws an error if I try to set those to contain an json or an array, Is it posable to load an array into the content.json file?

[brittle ledge]

You can have them speak the question, then do a quickQuestion with no question, just choices

[rancid temple]

CustomFields and ModData are a way to provide data from a CP mod that a C# mod can use

[calm nebula]

You cannot use an array there.

[rancid temple]

You would put something like

"CustomFieldEntry": "CustomFieldValue",
"CustomFieldEntry2": "CustomFieldValue2"

but you can't do anything with that in CP alone

There are some frameworks that use those fields but they'll make mention if they do

Knowing what you're trying to achieve would help in pointing you in the right direction as well

[faint junco]

I'm doing a Harmony patch for tools trying to try to make it extendable through CP (so the new tools don't have to have C code to change them) (One framework mod to change behavior then unlimited CP mods that don't have as many problem)

[wheat finch]

Here I thought just converting MFM to CP for a mod would be a simple mod to update to 1.6. Sigh.

[rancid temple]

You could create a custom data asset and then use the CustomField to point the patch in the right place

[faint junco]

^^ thats what I did, just that the assets need to have values and I wanted to have them configurable in a nice format. Im guessing im just going to have to do the yee old "CustomFieldEntry-X": "CustomFieldXValue" (where X is the index) for all the fields that I want

[calm nebula]

No. You can just do an extension data asset

[indigo yoke]

I have a weird question that was itching away at the back of my mind.

What happens to old buff objects? Are they cleared out or do they stick around? Like I use

Buff buff = new(
    id: "Bibliocraft:profession:bookworm_buff",
    displayName: ModEntry.Instance.I18N.Get("moonslime.Bibliocraft.Profession10b2.buff"),
    description: null,
    iconTexture: ModEntry.Assets.bookworm_buff,
    iconSheetIndex: 0,
    duration: 6000 * 10,
    effects: null
);

And that's called every time a person reads a book. So the game is making a new buff every time the function runs.

and I know like other temp objects and variables are cleared out when the method/function they are in are done... but like buff stays around since it is applied to the player object.

Or is it like once it runs out from being on the player object, it'll be discarded.

[calm nebula]

(B)

[indigo yoke]

B?

[rancid temple]

I think discarded

[calm nebula]

Yup

C# is a managed language lol

[indigo yoke]

just wanted to make sure SDV actually clears it. ran into a few other games (yes C# games) that will save any information that gets attached to the player object, even if said object no longer is in use. it got laggy if people spammed buffs. past trauma coming to the surface

[lucid iron]

that is cus they didnt remove all refs

but hm maybe u should just put it in Data/Buffs?

so that u can access by id

[wheat finch]

I think the issue with my mod is that I'm using very old CP format to add a crafting recipe for the auto-petter and need to update that but I would think the rewriters would handle that? I know they're not guaranteed to be successful. It's my first guess.

Last log: https://smapi.io/log/a970ede6b5ef45c9ae8bb59371a8c9ed

Validated content json: ttps://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/9f644284b1f74245b715aab02ef496d0

No rush as I am stepping away from the computer for a bit but if anyone has insight they have time/willingness to share I'd appreciate it. The mail didn't trigger when I used CJB cheats to set farming level to 7 and slept a night. No errors in the log but someone might identify something in trace that I am unfamiliar with as being the culprit. Or it's my formatting.

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.7 with SDV 1.6.14 build 24317 on macOS Unix 12.7.6, with 16 C# mods and 5 content packs.

[rancid temple]

Rewriters don't work if you use the latest Format

But also, at a glance this crafting recipe looks fine

The data format for crafting recipes is still the old terrible string indexes format

[wheat finch]

Fair. I had the same issue before I updated the format (which I need b/c of the add item function on letters that was added in 1.6).

[rancid temple]

You don't need a When on your Data/mail patch though

You've already put the farming level requirement in the crafting recipe, though you run a risk of delayed mail using that method

[faint junco]

Okay I looked but can't find it (I think) what's an extension data asset for CP? (https://pastebin.com/jcpN2586) This is the base with "op" inside modData being a problem

[calm nebula]

Just define your own asset and key it to something

https://github.com/atravita-mods/StardewMods/blob/89b54742d1808b7177252410ece31d795759485e/EastScarp/AssetManager.cs#L14

[faint junco]

ahhh, neat. thanks

[rancid temple]

Oh okay, the When might be fine, your mail is formatted wrong. I would still remove the When though

Should be %item craftingRecipe Auto-Petter %%

Not actually sure what happens if you don't include the [#]Letter Title after that

[blissful saddle]

CP Dynamic Tokens can check other Dynamic Tokens for their own values (not themselves)?

[velvet narwhal]

in-mod? not without crimes for outside mods

[uncut viper]

they can check other tokens from the same content pack

[blissful saddle]

or config.schema items?

[uncut viper]

pretty sure they can also detect themselves

[blissful saddle]

ok, nice. yeah, the same content pack was what I was aiming for

[velvet narwhal]

kicks dirt there goes another CMCT sale /lh

[blissful saddle]

I am open for sales

and crimes

[velvet narwhal]

cmct steals other mod tokens

[blissful saddle]

interesting

[rancid temple]

Steals sounds like it actually takes them away lmao

[blissful saddle]

I don't think I need it now, but good to know

[lucid iron]

if u r like

[velvet narwhal]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/28284 i am just button's number one salesperson

[lucid iron]

i got a CP mod and a C# mod but i only want 1 config menu

[lofty ruin]

Then how would I go about fixing it because I'm honestly tired. I'm looking at how other mods are coded in the game and they don't look any different from mine

[lucid iron]

then just having C# mod expose tokens is sufficient

[blissful saddle]

well, digital art can be stolen and they are not taken away. so for new definitons of 'steal'

[lucid iron]

remember to invalidate on setValue

[blissful saddle]

yep, I think about it too

[rancid temple]

Did you check out the link I sent? It shows all the indexes and what they're for

[blissful saddle]

but I also would like to try config.schema thing

[faint ingot]

is there a tile animation available for an in-use fireplace?

[rancid temple]

I don't mess with NPC's so I can't give you an example or anything, just can point out syntax/format issues

[velvet narwhal]

roku did you finish the fireplace thing

[rancid temple]

I did, but I'm trying to remember if I actually pushed it out lol

I did... I need to update my stupid Nexus page again lmao

[velvet narwhal]

i've been driving around all day so i can look at that gift tastes thing

[rancid temple]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/26849
If you don't want to actually make use of my mod and you're working in C#, you can check out my source link to see how I did it

[lucid iron]

welcome to map frameworks gang

[rancid temple]

I've been slowly adding stuff to this lol

When I first made it, I was doing everything in OnButtonsChanged instead of registering tile actions

[velvet narwhal]

you have 12 indexes, you should only have 10, so you can remove /...Seriously? A lobster$3/715/
they go in order of 0/1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9
evens being dialogue, odds being the actual item ID
0 = love
2 = like
4 = dislike
6 = hate
8 = neutral

or wherever it cuts off before the "Seriously?" part, but count every single / you have, that's the "end of an index"

[lucid iron]

the nice thing about map tile action stuff is the compat

assuming there's not a 2nd rokugin out there ofc

[rancid temple]

There might be, someone did steal my name in a game once

[calm nebula]

Got it. Patching out the fog

[rancid temple]

Oh and instagram lmao, not that that one is a big loss

[calm nebula]

Someone took "atravita" on github

I'm still salty

[rancid temple]

people are so cruel

[calm nebula]

Stole my username

Didn't maintain my mods for me

[rancid temple]

Right, if they're gonna steal your identity, the least they could do is some of the work

[blissful saddle]

maybe to what I want to do, make the c# mod do the config and export the tokens will be better

I am getting a bit confused with all the conditions needed

[drowsy pewter]

tell me about it https://github.com/6480

[shut grove]

how would I go about making a purple smoke like the green smoke in the Wizard's tower? I can't find the art asset or any info in the locations file or tiled.

[velvet narwhal]

that one's c# iirc

[shut grove]

x.x

[rancid temple]

Yeah, just did that with Aba for their Halloween mod lol

[tender bloom]

agree it's probably C#

[rancid temple]

It's just a TAS, so it's really simple, but definitely C#

[uncut viper]

theres a specific function that draws bubbles from one very specific smoke puff in cursors

and overlays it green

[rancid temple]

Might be a good candidate for map mod...

[velvet narwhal]

contemplates i kinda want an activatable campfire...

[calm nebula]

What about c flat

[velvet narwhal]

isn't that just called c

[rancid temple]

The fireplace stuff I did can actually be easily repurposed to a campfire if I just make use of the offset lol

[shut grove]

when I get to that point, could I ask for help setting up the purple smoke for my witch's cauldron? I struggle sometimes when it comes to programming

[rancid temple]

Here I was actually playing instead of making mods

Alas, the siren song calls to me

[shut grove]

it won't be for a while, I'm still working on the exteriors

[rancid temple]

Probably tomorrow at this point I'll start adding a way to make the cauldron smoke and campfires to my map maker framework mod, at least it'll be an example if not a dependency

[brittle pasture]

map mods have their own section on the frameworks page, their numbers are vast and only growing

[uncut viper]

only?

[velvet narwhal]

Sorry, I forgot my origins for a second, I believe this note is called b natural /lh

[uncut viper]

are you sure /threat /lh

[velvet narwhal]

I need to record the xylobone rickroll things to do during an actual playthrough

[agile seal]

hi yall just wanted to pop a quick question! does anyone know off the top of their head which mod changes dig spots to the green 4 leaf clover looking symbol? I have like… 60+ mods and it’s a lot to sift thru tia!!

[brittle pasture]

earthy

also #modded-stardew is more helpful for questions like that

~~we don't play SDV in here, only make mods 😛 ~~

[agile seal]

ooo okay thanks on both counts!! I haven’t chatted here in a Hot minute so I know nothing anymore

[lucid iron]

what r the features of button maps

[calm nebula]

Someone should do parallax

I nominate chue

[velvet narwhal]

i thought chue was already planning parallax

[lucid iron]

yea i will soon™️

[uncut viper]

i wasnt saying i was gonna make a map framework i was threatening the destruction of one