making-mods-general

[fathom hound]

oh!

[rancid temple]

Only content.json gets Format

[fathom hound]

I see, thank you, that will probably be it

tried reloading, not sure why it didnt work

[uncut viper]

do you... have content patcher installed?

[fathom hound]

oop its outdated lmao sorry

[uncut viper]

like is this a temporary mod debug stardrop profile or somethin

ahh

[fathom hound]

nah im on beta and forgot

my bad

[brittle pasture]

Yep that'd do it lol

[fathom hound]

[uncut viper]

i also did the same when i first tried stuff on the beta

[rancid temple]

Oh, no wonder you weren't getting errors about the Format lmao

[rain basalt]

[fathom hound]

LOL

yay they showed up ^-^

oh but they also showed up in somewhere i didnt want how do i change them to just an object?

[latent mauve]

Has your issue been fixed yet, or did everyone get sidetracked by the mod commission talk?

[uncut viper]

where is this and what do you mean just an object?

[fathom hound]

cooking collections, and to not have a cooking recipe/perfection requirement

i was told earlier to make them an object type just not sure how

ehhhh

ill just use space core to make a new category lol

[rain basalt]

mabey this field ?

"ExcludeFromShippingCollection": false,

[uncut viper]

i dont know if its the type or the category that controls it (or both, maybe). id say maybe try changing "Type": "Cooking" to "Type": "Basic" but thats me completely guessing

[rain basalt]

make it true?

[uncut viper]

no, that controls the shipping perfection

[fathom hound]

is there an excludefromcookingcollection? lol

[uncut viper]

it wont affect whether or not something shows in your list of recipes or whether or not you need to cook the food for perfection

[rain basalt]

hmm

[uncut viper]

as far as i knew there wasnt a way to make something that is technically Food from the games perspective but also exclude it from the cooking perfection. ofc you can change something to not be technically food but still look like food

i also dont know endlessly far

[fathom hound]

nope

[rain basalt]

i meen you need 81 recipies cooked whats a few more lol

[fathom hound]

i already made vanilla cooking recipes, im DONE with recipes for a while lol

i'd rather make a new category with SpaceCore

how can i btw? is there a guide?

[drowsy pewter]

its very straightforward

[rain basalt]

you could try type basic and make it a food item only like said above

[fathom hound]

oh yes, ill try that ty

[drowsy pewter]

just use cornucopia as an example

[fathom hound]

thanks

[rain basalt]

cause cave carrot is food but not recipie

[fathom hound]

true

[drowsy pewter]

You're confusing edibility and categories

I do think the Type is likely to control the shipping menu thing though

(i havent read the context of all this)

[rain basalt]

i havent made many items yet im still fighting my farmhouse lights mod and making a new building mod

[fathom hound]

context

[drowsy pewter]

change both the category and type values, but this means you cant cook them in the kitchen if that matters

[fathom hound]

no i dont want it cooked

[drowsy pewter]

Make it type basic and set the category to 0 or to the number for artisan goods

[fathom hound]

thank you ill try this!

[rain basalt]

cave carrot was 12 not sure what that is lol

[drowsy pewter]

12 is forage

[rain basalt]

yah dont use 12 then lol

[drowsy pewter]

theres a whole bunch of category numbers on the object wiki page

[fathom hound]

so since im making this not cooking items anymore which i had as universal liked, do i need to put that in my npcgifttastes that these are all gonna be assumed universal likes?

or is 0 automatically universal like

[drowsy pewter]

yes depending on the category you put them in

artisan goods are universal likes i believe but 0 is nothing

[fathom hound]

perfect, thank you!

[old edge]

So I probably can't put requested by on nexus..

[drowsy pewter]

The category is what changes the item subtitle in hover text to "Cooking" or "Forage" or whateverm And you can use Spacecore to make it sonething unique if you need

[fathom hound]

i guess im just confused on the difference between Type and Category themselves

since they seem hand in hand

im gonna try type cooking and category 0 and see where that gets me lol

[drowsy pewter]

category does the subtitle text like i said (and some other profession linked bonuses) and Type does the special functions like making all Cooking tupe items be in the collection menu

[fathom hound]

oh its just the text, gotcha

[drowsy pewter]

No you cant do type cooking

[fathom hound]

OH okay LOL

ill keep it to basic then

[drowsy pewter]

Yes

[uncut viper]

hm, does having it in the collections page even matter for perfection, though? ive been trying to look through the code to see where it adds it to the collections, and it DOES add it to the collections page ofc if the category is -7 or the type is cooking, but the code that actually checks perfection % only checks Data/CookingRecipes. so if you dont actually have a recipe, it shouldnt matter, right?

[drowsy pewter]

It shows up without a recipe

If it matters for perfection, who knows, but players would be confused

[uncut viper]

it shows up in the collections page, yes. im talking about for perfection specifically, though

[lucid iron]

It'd be slightly confusing I suppose

[fathom hound]

okay cool, that worked

[uncut viper]

i just bring it up bc Anaira mentioned an ExcludeFromCookingCollection field, which i dont think is necessary in this case, is all. so if Anaira wanted she could just not worry about it

[fathom hound]

thank you

[zenith robin]

I don't think it counts for perfection, but I agree that it being in the collection without a recipe could be confusing.

[drowsy pewter]

sorry, I'm trying to read while traveling and misread your message

[rain basalt]

dont read and drive you might die and we need more updates and crops

[drowsy pewter]

Rofl

[rain basalt]

gotta fill my extra greenhouses with something

[fathom hound]

is there a specific file i should refer to?

[brave fable]

i use Basic or Trash category on cooked foods to exclude from collection/perfection, works perfectly well

[tender bloom]

Delicious

Trash cake

[brittle pasture]

loved gifts for the ||raccoons||
(shh I know they're not NPCs)

[calm nebula]

I sense a volunteer

Selph

I expect them to be full npcs by next Wednesday

[fathom hound]

yeah that ended up working for me! im just figuring out the last part of my mod which is having a random item given by npc dialogue on a specific day, i couldnt find where to actually input that

[rain basalt]

make them romancable/roommates

[fathom hound]

(the latter, pls)

[tender bloom]

Wednesday? What about by the Halloween mod contest deadline 😛

[brittle pasture]

Excuse me, Mr ||Raccoon|| is perfectly married to his wife. I'm no homewrecker smh

(unlike a good chunk of this server)

[fathom hound]

[rain basalt]

so make them brother and sister for context ^..~

[brave fable]

i don't care so much about serialisation if that's what you mean, i'd just like to inherit and add to existing behaviours of Bird without needing to redefine all the state flow and draw behaviours. stuff like add shadows, increase ticks between states, change flying motion arc, etc

shadows i could do with just another draw since i own the location class, but the rest not so much

[fathom hound]

how do i have an npc gift a random item when i talk to them on a specific day? trying to follow the jorts and jean mod but i only found the dialogue part, not the actual item input

[rancid temple]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Dialogue#Dialogue_commands
At the bottom is the random item command

[fathom hound]

oh thank you so much

[rancid temple]

The specifics of how to do a specific day I'm not familiar with

[brave fable]

surely you'd just have it as a Spring_2 dialogue or somesuch

[rancid temple]

<season>_<day> I guess

[ivory plume]

Done in the upcoming 1.6.9 build 24304!

Fixed in the upcoming 1.6.9 build 24304. Thanks for reporting it!

[brave fable]

thank you, pigeon man. you've saved our city

[fathom hound]

thank you!

[brave fable]

(it was a little funny that the PerchedBirds controller for birds is almost entirely public virtual, but Bird is locked down lol)

[near sierra]

It kind of god sidetracked a little.

[brave fable]

could you reopen the game and debug ebi MyMod_MyCoolEventId , then patch summary, and then share a log here from https://log.smapi.io ?

we'll be able to see the event ID it's trying to find but can't, as well as whether your blank events file was loaded, plus any other hopefully useful info present in the log

[fathom hound]

is there a way to make all npc's just say the same thing or do i have to do "Action": "EditData", "Target": "Characters/Dialogue/", with every character?

[rancid temple]

You can iteratively do it in C#, but if you're only doing CP then it's gonna be individual

[fathom hound]

okay thank you

[brave fable]

can't you use this method:
https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/tokens.md#field-references

{
   "Action": "EditImage",
   "Target": "Characters/Abigail, Characters/Sam",
   "FromFile": "assets/{{TargetWithoutPath}}.png" // assets/Abigail.png *or* assets/Sam.png
}

it's still sort of individual since you're specifying one-by-one in Target, but you're only using one changes object

[rancid temple]

I'm not sure I understand how you use that for dialogue lol

[brave fable]

replacing {{TargetWithoutPath}} with your single fromfile path, ofc

surely the same as you would any other asset

[fathom hound]

OH but it can all be in one line on the Target right?

whew thank you

[rancid temple]

I guess if you avoid tokens, you can Load the dialogue for each NPC?

Can TargetWithoutPath be used in an entry?

[brave fable]

you can use exactly the same method with Load blank + EditData data

shoot, you can even just make a token for your list of targets so you only need to write it once

if you care that much lol

[fathom hound]

whatever saves me time and energy rn

[rancid temple]

If you make this work, I'd love to see it because I can't visualize it

[brave fable]

in my mind it's quite simple, but i have quite a simple mind

[rancid temple]

If you have a simple mind, I'm literally braindead

I think I finally understand what you are saying lmao

I was getting really stuck on the TargetWithoutPath and trying to figure out how that works with EditData

[brave fable]

all the dumb things i wrote but if it was content.json:

"Changes": [
{
   "Action": "Load",
   "Target": "{{Targets}}",
   "FromFile": "assets/Blank.json"
},
{
   "Action": "EditData",
   "Target": "{{Targets}}",
   "Entries": {
      "mon": "asdfghjjkl$h"
   }
}
],
"DynamicTokens": [
{
   "Name": "Targets",
   "Value": "Characters/Dialogue/NPC1, Characters/Dialogue/NPC2, Characters/Dialogue/NPC3"
}
]

since all dialogue keys are generic, NPC1, 2, and 3 can just eat the same ones from the same file and use the same dialogue

your random item ids dialogue thing is done per-dialoguebox too, so they should all give independently random items

[rancid temple]

Does EditData accept FromFile? It's not on the docs, which is why I ask

[uncut viper]

well, you cant use FromFile in EditData

[brave fable]

ah

in that case just use your data instead'

[uncut viper]

you can still just use Entries

[fathom hound]

    "Changes": 
        [
            {
                "Action": "EditData",
                "Target": "Characters/Dialogue/Abigail, Characters/Dialogue/Alex, Characters/Dialogue/Caroline, Characters/Dialogue/Clint, Characters/Dialogue/Demetrius, Characters/Dialogue/Elliott, Characters/Dialogue/Emily, Characters/Dialogue/Evelyn, Characters/Dialogue/George, Characters/Dialogue/Gus, Characters/Dialogue/Haley, Characters/Dialogue/Harvey, Characters/Dialogue/Jodi, Characters/Dialogue/Kent, Characters/Dialogue/Leah, Characters/Dialogue/Lewis, Characters/Dialogue/Marnie, Characters/Dialogue/Maru, Characters/Dialogue/Pam, Characters/Dialogue/Penny, Characters/Dialogue/Pierre, Characters/Dialogue/Robin, Characters/Dialogue/Sam, Characters/Dialogue/Sebastian, Characters/Dialogue/Shane, Characters/Dialogue/Willy",
                "Entries": {
                    "fall_27": "Happy Spirit's Eve!"
                }
            }
        ]
}```
This is what I have right now from what I've gathered... Would it be possible to change the fall_27 to be i18n instead?

[brave fable]

of course

formatting looks fine

[fathom hound]

yay thank you!

would it look like this then?

[brave fable]

sure, so long as you have a matching fall_27 key in your i18n file

[fathom hound]

oh okay so i can name the i18n line whatever i want?

thanks!

[brave fable]

it's completely independent of any game or mod keys, organise and name it however you like

[calm nebula]

Got it

Using cat emoji

[brave fable]

since i think you've got my halloween mod installed you can look inside that and see it's just whatever i felt like

i suppose you can use any unicode characters for keys

"📆💬🌧️": "Nice weather, @"

[fathom hound]

thanks

does this go in my i18n or data?

[brave fable]

you can add tokens to your i18n file to clearly separate dialogue from logic:
https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/translations.md#format

i'm not sure how you'd format the actual embedded random item part, but maybe like this?

// content.json
"Entries": {
    "fall_27": "{{i18n:fall_27 |item=[(O)100 (O)112]}}"
}

// i18n/default.json
{
  "fall_27": "Happy Spirit's Eve, @! {{item}}$h"
}

[hallow prism]

both work, it depends of what you need

[hallow prism]

(is there a reason you're using a token here?)

[fathom hound]

I just wanted to have the npc gift an item on spirit's eve

a randomized one, pertaining items from both my mod and vanilla

[brave fable]

i'd say it's generally easier on translators to have as little logic in the translation files as possible

[fathom hound]

true

[hallow prism]

i mean, both work so it depends of what you need in term of clarity and organisation

[brave fable]

simple commands sure, item selection logic maybe not

[fathom hound]

ohhhh i see

[hallow prism]

i like my letter objects to be in the letter itself, not the translation

[fathom hound]

i'd rather it be in the data then

[hallow prism]

but for the random items i am fine with them in dialogue because it's easier for me

[fathom hound]

thanks

[hallow prism]

(to add or adjust stuff, to make some dialogue have gifts and some not, and so on)

[fathom hound]

makes sense

[fathom hound]

also, thank you!

[hallow prism]

it's the same than the way people do random lines of dialogues, you have lot of options

but each modder will have an organisation making more sense for them

[fathom hound]

man coding is so cool lol

im glad im learning!

[near sierra]

I’ll try.

[rotund elm]

So is there a way to reload the locations for my cp mod after i change the map files without restarting the game?

[hallow prism]

try a patch reload but i'm not sure how it works with maps

[brave fable]

sure, use patch reload MyContentPackUniqueId and then debug wh and then debug warp MyCustomLocation

maybe you don't even need to warp out and in again, but it helps if you change lights and such. at least for my locations

[rotund elm]

Thank you I'll give it a shot 🙂

[rotund elm]

would you also be able to either show me a tutorial for map building using tiled or a website that explains the different tools and overlays? I'm trying to edit my map I commissioned and it needs a lot of touch ups, but i barely know the layers and how the tilesheets work X(

[brave fable]

hi there, it's not rude at all - i don't actually read most private messages anywhere at all, so mentions in here are the best way to contact me. sorry for not answering sooner!

posting translation files on naver should be perfectly fine! so long as it's just the ko.json file and not the entire mod i'm more than happy for people to make and share translations.

just a quick notice: LOC is still being worked on, so sometime after SDV 1.6.9 is published you might need to update it for the latest changes. thanks for your work!

[lofty ruin]

How would you implement CGs into the game?

[lucid iron]

what is CG in this context

[drowsy pewter]

content gatcher

[lofty ruin]

Like the type in visual novels

[brave fable]

card game, carl gustav,

[lofty ruin]

An illustration

[mighty quest]

[19:47:25 ERROR SMAPI]       - SpaceCore 1.25.3-beta because it's no longer compatible. Please check for a new version at https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/1348 or https://smapi.io/mods

Is there a newer version of SpaceCore for the beta?

[drowsy pewter]

people make a whole map in the design of their illustration, then change the event map to the fake "map"

[uncut viper]

casey's posted it in this channel, i'd search discord for messages from casey including a file

[drowsy pewter]

Eli and Dylan in east scarp does this

[brave fable]

remember to download SpaceCore 1.26.0 though, and not 1.26.0 or 1.26.0

[fathom hound]

why is it yellow lining me? o:

[hallow prism]

!json

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[lucid mulch]

usually hovering over it will give you info

but that smells like a json schema took effect that probably isn't the cp one and is complaining that theres stuff that doesn't belong

Oh wait its easier than that

you have duplicate keys

[calm nebula]

Nah

Just duplicates

[lucid mulch]

you don't have a closing blue bracket and opening blue bracket for the second patch

[fathom hound]

how will i have different entries for different npc's though?

[hallow prism]

use the token in the key and then have different keys per npcs

(the target without path token)

[brave fable]

Changes is a [] list of {} objects, and each object has some list of fields (such as Action).
you're put the fields of several objects inside one object, when instead you need to close the object and open a new one for the following fields.

'you have duplicate keys' is from having several objects' worth of fields inside the same object

[brave fable]

notice in this example each group of fields is within its own {} object

[fathom hound]

like that?

is there also a way to randomize the actual entries? if that makes sense

[brave fable]

looks good in yours again if you don't want to have 4 copies of your list of items, you can make a dynamic token for it

more specifically? you want random dialogue per person?

[fathom hound]

oh, i dont think ik how

[brave fable]

example of dynamic tokens in the 'all the dumb things' message above

[fathom hound]

yeah instead of each npc saying the same line every year, it can choose between the 2 lines

[fathom hound]

oh thank you!

[brave fable]

i'm not sure about randomised dialogue for a specific day. if i know making-mods-general well enough, someone would come in here to tell you to send a conversation topic on every NPC on spirits eve specifically with this dialogue instead of giving them a fall_27 entry

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Dialogue describes how to set dialogue with random options for some specific cases, such as Outdoor_<random>

if you assume all your NPCs are outside on spirits eve in the town_halloween map, you can use that

just need to conditionally apply the dialogue for spirit's eve only

[knotty phoenix]

hi i'm very sorry if the spammers put a crypto link in here i have my account back now tho

[fathom hound]

yeah i might just have half of them say the line and the other half say the other one then switch for the y2 variation cause ii am truly fried

[brave fable]

i'm not an npc or dialogue person so i'm not really in the mindset for applying really smart specific dialogue entries

basically all my npcs have a decently large chunk of lines in my i18n file but their actual content file is just "mon"~"sun"

at this point i know more about how the dialoguebox->dialogue class flow works than any dialogue commands and keys lol

actually are npcs even going to use your dialogue? fall 27 is a festival day, they're all using festival dialogue during teh event

[uncut viper]

if they can get to any to speak to em before the event starts they should say it

probably

[brave fable]

can you even talk to any npcs when the town is locked for festival setup maybe you could catch demetriums

[uncut viper]

you definitely can

[rancid temple]

Any that wander where you can go

[uncut viper]

if you can get to them and they arent on the Town map then its just the same as any other day

demetrius, robin, the dwarf, elliot, the wizard, leah, Gil/whatever the other adventurer guys name is. all available.

oh and willy

[rancid temple]

I need a mod that makes festivals like a sign or some crap that you can interact with in town to start, because parts of the map being inaccessible is awful

[fathom hound]

you can, its only day festivals that affect going into places, right?

[uncut viper]

(oh yeah somehow i remembered robin and demetrius but not their kids. oops. theyre also available)

[rancid temple]

Non-passive festivals block off the specific areas they are tied to

[brave fable]

(i didn't even remember robin, just my beloved )

[rancid temple]

Because entering the area is the trigger to start the festival

[fathom hound]

ik i mean the buildings, not the festival area

[rancid temple]

Oh yeah, if you can find some way into the buildings then you can enter them no problem

I used to use a mod that let you click spots on the map to warp to lol

[fathom hound]

ill just add dialogue anyway, fuck it lol

if somehow people can cheat getting into there, theyll get an extra treat :p

for the love of yoba, please work lmao

i need to work on my paper

[rain basalt]

lol makes mod to cheat my way in

[fathom hound]

OF COURSE https://smapi.io/log/8c60df9c21034a30b09e5374ef849951

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.0-beta.5 with SDV 1.6.9 'beta' build 24303 on Microsoft Windows 10 Pro, with 6 C# mods and 7 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[rancid temple]

Just need a warp room lol

[fathom hound]

hey u might get a free ||magic rock candy|| out of it

[fathom hound]

i just HAD TO JINX IT

[brave fable]

sounds like you've got to share your content file

[fathom hound]

https://smapi.io/json/none/522fb0455ce046f0a524c431bfc93fe9

sorry lol wrong smapi link :3

[brave fable]

every fall_27_2 value ends with an extra }}

[fathom hound]

welp

im praying now

[brave fable]

again if every |item= value is the same i'd just make that into a dynamic token so you only have to edit one line to update them all

man emily would definitely be the one to give you hummus for halloween

maybe leah

[rain basalt]

makes mod spawns chest in house with 999 rock candy >.>

[fathom hound]

its so weird that shane loves the hummus pack and not her

(all gift tastes are based on the actual vanilla items)

[brave fable]

isn't this.... your mod item lol

ah

[fathom hound]

[[Movie_Theater#Concessions]] if curious!

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Movie_Theater#Concessions

[brave fable]

to be fair yoba loves hummus and emily is some godless heathen cowboy

[fathom hound]

i literally had no time and energy to make my own tricks and treats for this halloween mod

LMAO

[rain basalt]

Abigail for life

[brave fable]

i'll take life thanks

[rain basalt]

lol

[reef cosmos]

Is there any way to change the location of the chicken coop that spawns on the Meadowlands farm map?

[brave fable]

tbf i'm impressed you even made items, i just gave a pumpkin for every puzzle win and made a spider version of the owl statue to drop somewhere on your farm when you clear them all

[reef cosmos]

I want to use the Meadowlands for my custom farm map but the coop spawns in the river rofl

[next plaza]

No, it's hard coded. SpaceCore has a feature to let you spawn buildings + farm animals on custom farm maps though

[brave fable]

works for ducks ✅ working as intended

[next plaza]

(Or vanilla ones too, but that would be in addition to the meadowlands one)

[rain basalt]

instead of overwriting meadowlands just make it custom map and the coop wont spawn and you can build one later

[brave fable]

the free coop is half the point of meadowlands tho

[next plaza]

Yeah, that and the blue grass

[rain basalt]

i thought it was the grass lol

[brave fable]

i don't know what blue grass is other than a genre

[reef cosmos]

Yeah, I really wanted the blue grass and free coop

not a big deal though. Will just have to move it

[lucid iron]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/27359

[latent mauve]

I used Spacecore to add a starting coop to the larger meadow maps mod I'm using.

And it was pretty easy

[rancid temple]

Blue grass increases animal friendship faster

[uncut viper]

blue grass also fills twice as much hunger and gives twice as much hay

[lucid iron]

i thought it grows slower though

[next plaza]

https://gist.github.com/spacechase0/063505cabbed28dfa94b802b28857885

[rancid temple]

It does

[uncut viper]

it does grow slower

[rancid temple]

It's roided out grass

[lucid iron]

that part is unfortunate

[brave fable]

wow, sounds like meadowlands absolutely dumpsters on river lol

[rancid temple]

The slow growth rate is kind of a problem lol

[lucid iron]

nah river is the meta for speedrun

fish smoker op

[rancid temple]

Just a few animals can eat the grass out before it can replenish

[brittle pasture]

wait does it grow slower, huh

Though animals only eat half so it kinda balances out?

[next plaza]

I see nothing in the code about blue grass growing slower?

[latent mauve]

It spreads at a lower rate/chance, doesn't grow slower AFAIK

[lucid iron]

ah that would explain the ancedontal feeling about it being slower

[next plaza]

Oh, hold on, I was looking at the wrong line

[latent mauve]

Which, if you just selectively take out the non-blue grass, that helps with the spreading. xD

And since it doesn't go away in winter...

[lucid iron]

all grass is winter proof tho

[rancid temple]

It doesn't grow in winter either, unless you make it

[latent mauve]

Yep, just means it's easier to set things up for a nice spread in spring.

[next plaza]

In GameLocation.growWeedGrass it doesn't check grass type at all, but in Grass.dayUpdate it only grows if it's type 1 (normal grass)

[lucid iron]

say did that more grass framework let you give grass different statistics

[next plaza]

So there's an extra growth check for normal grass

[brittle pasture]

no just cosmetic

It was made before blue grass was a thing

[next plaza]

IT doesn't appear to spread slower though

Just regrow when partially cut

[lucid iron]

would be fun to make like

grass that only some farm animals can eat

[uncut viper]

if it grows slower then it spreads slower since it needs to be fully grown to spread

[lucid iron]

like rocky grass for rock crabs

[brave fable]

enjoy your transpilers

[brittle pasture]

that's a permanent part of Extra Animal Config's road map
I havent made it because I havent gotten around to it and no one's asked for it

[lucid iron]

let me be idea guy in peace blueberry

[rancid temple]

I literally didn't know there was a difference between growing and spreading for grass lmao

[brittle pasture]

I've already transpiled the hell out of animal data, what's a couple more

[rancid temple]

I was using them interchangeably

[lucid iron]

i do think there is like

[brave fable]

a complete breakdown as soon as one of them tries finding il that was changed by the other

[lucid iron]

a lot of extra fuss gameplay wise

if you had an animal type that only ate specific grass

feed is not as bad cus u control the items directly

[brittle pasture]

I'll cross that bridge when another person becomes as neurotic about farm animals as I

[brittle pasture]

Also a reason why I haven't done it tbh

[brave fable]

the clickCraftingRecipe clan lives in uneasy peace

[next plaza]

(re: blue grass - I asked CA if it growing slower was intentional since we were already talking at the moment, and it isn't, so that'll be fixed in the 1.6.9)

[uncut viper]

oh

well, another plus for blue grass, then

[calm nebula]

The fast expressions Council looks at each other warily

[brave fable]

can u ask ca if he has a nice halloween pumpkin..

[calm nebula]

Pathfinder rewrite when

[brittle pasture]

Ooh it seems like the code was there before blue grass and its purpose was allows growing farm grass and not other grass types

[fathom hound]

So the dialogue works, but the item wasnt given when I spoke to the NPC (this was after fixing the }} issue)

[next plaza]

Yep, that's what I suspected and why I asked CA

[fathom hound]

ohh the dialogue doesnt work in the spirit's eve festival though ~_~

[brave fable]

warned you

eventually

[uncut viper]

thats why you'd have to talk to them before entering the festival

[lucid iron]

new concept spider webs (grass) grows inside animal houses and you have to sweep (scythe them) otherwise your animals become unhappy

[uncut viper]

and why only some would be accessible for it

[rancid musk]

(And then there's me, looking out my window as the clickCraftingRecipe clan runs past and sipping my tea)

[fathom hound]

oh nah i'd rather have the trick or treating be AT the festival

[brave fable]

we don't run past. we writhe on the ground

[uncut viper]

then you'll be editing the spirits eve festival itself

[brave fable]

it's a hard life

[fathom hound]

gotcha thanks

[brittle pasture]

Thanks for exposing a very very nice API so I don't have to further torture clickCraftingRecipe

[fathom hound]

my dialogue won't replace the festival dialogue right? only appear before the vanilla dialogue?

[uncut viper]

it will replace it, yes

[fathom hound]

x.x omg

[calm nebula]

You can text operations thoufh

[uncut viper]

you can still write it like normal dialogue with breaks to make you have to talk to them again

[calm nebula]

Append the #$e#blah

[uncut viper]

or that too

[brave fable]

could you use TextOperations to add a dialogue break and your new text?

[calm nebula]

I want the brain cell back bluea

[brave fable]

it's mine and you can't have it

[haughty charm]

🧠

[uncut viper]

you may get some strange sounding dialogue if you do that though

"Mother won't let me go in the maze. *sob*. Trick or treat!"

[fathom hound]

can i just not have ANY new dialogue and JUST have the item given?

[calm nebula]

Sure

[brittle pasture]

sure

[fathom hound]

this is killing me

[brave fable]

"demetriums_2": "Wow, my daughter's lost, I haven't seen her in hours. I hope she's alive. $e Happy halloween, Farmer Jim. [Hummus Snack Pack]"

[fathom hound]

[uncut viper]

you would just append the item gifting stuff same way you'd append other dialogue

[fathom hound]

i have no idea how to do that

brb, i need a breather

ill read the info when im back ty!

[uncut viper]

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/text-operations.md

same way you append to gift tastes, but you're appending to dialogue instead.

[rain basalt]

think i broke my map even worse lol

[fathom hound]

Thank you sm

[rain basalt]

gota hunt down why this path sheet isnt loading correctly

.> System.Exception: Invalid tile gid: 2406 i realy dont wana remake the map

[brave fable]

invalid tile gid gives me heart pain

if you're using an external tileset, try embedding it.
if your issue was with the paths tilesheet, try adding a new paths tilesheet with a different name, replace the existing paths tiles with your new ones, then delete the old sheet

no guarantee either will work

as always, make sure your tilesheets and tilesets are in the same folder as your map before they're embedded, and make sure they stay in the same folder throughout

[rain basalt]

im using internal sheets for a small map >.<

so loading the map into the maps folder should pull the correct sheets

[brave fable]

loading the map only substitutes the image from the game files. tile id references, properties, etc are handled in your map file (or external tileset)

[fathom hound]

https://smapi.io/json/none/2cd1cc61d6304c3ab3f5542b1619df2b like this? @uncut viper

[latent mauve]

I almost wonder if it'd be possible to have a nested 'event' within the Spirits Eve festival for the trick or treating. Or somehow modify the town Warp during Spirits Eve so you have a separate 'passive' festival for Trick or Treating in town that ends before the Spirits Eve festival starts.

[brave fable]

don't go anywhere near an event playerControlSequence unless you want a head injury 😌

[rancid temple]

This reads like a threat

[latent mauve]

I understood almost none of those words, which is probably for the best, really.

[rancid temple]

Could make a passive festival the day before or after for Trick or Treating

[lucid iron]

maybe in ferngill they trick or treat in the morning

[rancid temple]

But the town is inaccessible all day

[lucid iron]

on all hallow's day, the day after halloween/spirit's eve

[latent mauve]

Right, inaccessible during day is why I said you might need to temporarily mess with the warp to Town

[fathom hound]

oh wait i realized a booboo

i did wrong target

[brave fable]

sounds to me like they're all just giving you treats, though. except for whoever decided to give you hummus

[calm nebula]

That doesn't seem too bad?

[fathom hound]

i have a couple vanilla items as well

||||

[rancid temple]

Sorry, did people actually give you tricks as a child? I would absolutely riot lmao

[fathom hound]

idk id be kinda mad getting salted peanuts and apple slices for treats

those would be tricks for me, and also black licorice, but thats just me personally

[latent mauve]

I wonder if you could structure something like Haley's bracelet event to fake the Trick or Treating 'map'

[brave fable]

this is australia, we don't do that here

[rancid temple]

If people didn't give us candy while we were trick or treating we dumped the garbage they gave us on their front yard

[fathom hound]

[brave fable]

every event playerControlSequence is setup and managed in c#, so if you want anything like the bracelet sequence you need a code component

[latent mauve]

Don't worry, I'm not attempting your idea, just throwing suggestions out there. 😛

[brave fable]

and harmony. a bit of harmony

[latent mauve]

ah, I see

[fathom hound]

oh no i wasnt worried about that hehe, i was just like, scared of more coding LOL

[latent mauve]

fair

[fathom hound]

i trust yall

[brave fable]

(authors note: my contest mod uses custom playercontrolsequence setup. i hate it)

[calm nebula]

Teensy bit of harmony

Littlest bit

A cute bit of harmony

[brave fable]

(mod is half harmony and half temporaryanimatedsprite definitions)

[fathom hound]

am i missing anything? https://smapi.io/json/none/f351e49a146542c7a13a34696c7af335

[brave fable]

well a target would be nice

[rain basalt]

<.< seems like there is something strange going on im gona have to scrap and start over it just gets stranger and stranger now its saying its trying to remove tile sheets on load

[calm nebula]

Amazing!

[fathom hound]

oh

[calm nebula]

Sounds like you can write the documentation of temporary animated sprites

[next plaza]

I'm thinking about a SpaceCore-powered way for that (one of the ES modders has asked me a couple time), just haven't gotten around to it yet

[brave fable]

i'm a blue belt in alpha, alphaFade, and alphaFadeFade

[next plaza]

Was I the one who introduced alphaFadeFade or did I just use it for something

[brave fable]

alphafadefade seems like an apism

i use it exclusively for fade-in-out

[fathom hound]

is my target gonna be "Fields", "every npc"?

[next plaza]

Ah, yeah, my stuff was something else

[fathom hound]

or are they all separate?

[brave fable]

i actually don't know lol

[calm nebula]

DeltaAlphaFasr

[sweet sphinx]

is there a simple & fast way to find the ids of 52 items?

[fathom hound]

!itemids

[ocean sail]

Item ID’s [1.6 SPOILERS!]

https://mateusaquino.github.io/stardewids/

To use this command, type !itemids.

[rain basalt]

open object json ctrl+f type in name

[brave fable]

you probably need to use every npc by name, as well as their y2 variants in the same festival file

[fathom hound]

thank you kindly blue

oh hmmm i see spouse lines too

[sweet sphinx]

thanks

[brave fable]

probably just ignore the spouse lines if it's more work, contest deadline is looming

[crystal yarrow]

"Property 'Introduction' has not been defined and the schema does not allow additional properties."

what does this mean

[brave fable]

you can add more detail/polish later if you like, but if it breaks something and you're outta time then it's judged as-is

[fathom hound]

yeah im mentally done with this mod too i didnt think it would take me this long, but ive been so tired from irl its affecting how im learning

[brave fable]

yeah mine was meant to be a 1-day joke mod but things tend to drag on

[brittle pasture]

!json you probably forgot a surrounding bracket somewhere

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[crystal yarrow]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/4b7528611b4a44ec838d39889b5ab5a7

[brittle pasture]

my original idea was just void chickens emit purple light

[sweet sphinx]

what's this contest yall are talking about?

[fathom hound]

https://smapi.io/json/none/6c29a6d46ad1490ba13fa5cf311b0148 was gonna test with this but im getting an error

[fathom hound]

#1292662149516103751 message

[velvet narwhal]

You've put gift tastes into festivals

[fathom hound]

i just copied and pasted from my gift tastes

[brittle pasture]

is this a file you meant to Load in a separate action? You're only meant to load an empty file and then use EditData to put entries into it

which needs Changes, Action and all that jazz

[crystal yarrow]

i have no idea, im trying to update my mod since the dialogue stopped working

i haven't touched it since june

[velvet narwhal]

There's a guide somewhere on the wiki that still forcibly loads dialogue keys like that

[granite bluff]

hey does someone know how to unlock pennys new house in a new save to test something? I use cheats menu but can't see any option about it there

[brittle pasture]

I guess we'll get to the 'best practices' stuff later, can you post your content.json?

[crystal yarrow]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/f2689550fe484e51893d4c49a327bddc

[fathom hound]

i was following this

[velvet narwhal]

Did you just wanna add dialogue when they're at the festival? Cause iirc you don't need to targetfield

[fathom hound]

i just wanted them to give an item at the festival

dont wanna change dialogue, at least not rn

[velvet narwhal]

Well give item = change dialogue cause it requires the [] dialogue command

[fathom hound]

im so confused aaa

[brittle pasture]

and the file you posted above is assets/dialogue/Dialogue.json?

[crystal yarrow]

yes it is

[velvet narwhal]

ah ok i backread through the link lemme see how it works

[tiny zealot]

what avi means is to give the item, you have to edit the dialogue to inject the command. if you do it correctly, there won't be any difference in the displayed text

[brittle pasture]

hmm I don't see anything that should go wrong. The error you posted is from the validator itself, but it should be totally fine in this case.
when you said it doesn't work what did you mean? in game errors, the dialogue doesn't load, etc.?

[velvet narwhal]

where's my new emote

[rain basalt]

[crystal yarrow]

yup the dialogue doesnt load. https://smapi.io/log/ec785b9a0e4b4568be610c02fe7f16a3

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.0.8 with SDV 1.6.8 build 24119 on Microsoft Windows 11 Home, with 63 C# mods and 184 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[crystal yarrow]

pls ignore all the other errors- i'm still redownloading stuff

[velvet narwhal]

god what would be the delimiter for dialogue .?

i might just leave that blank

[velvet narwhal]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/d548558b6b5345a7bc639190bc8dc38e try this, though i'm unsure how the delimiter works in dialogue

tldr i replaced fields to entries because fields is for specialized string digging

[brave fable]

Delimiter: The characters to add between the current and new text
if you wanted, you could use "Delimiter": "#$b#" to add dialogue breaks in data, though this might not be something you want

[velvet narwhal]

yeah i'm worried about that adding to the end so it brings up a menu again

actually might need to remove the (O) out of everything because dialogue only takes the raw item id

[fathom hound]

Thank you I really appreciate this!! unfortunately i got this showing up when i reloaded [Content Patcher] Ignored Trick or Treat Concessions > Item Data (from Data/CharacterData/Dialogue.json) > EditData Data/Festivals/fall27: error reading info. Technical details: System.InvalidOperationException: Error parsing '}}]' as a tokenizable string

ill try that!

[rain basalt]

well my heads broken from looking at code and working on this map im off to sleep night fellow modders

[fathom hound]

i wasnt sure if the (O) was what made it randomized or not LOL

[velvet narwhal]

it did not like that bracket huh, how am i going to interject the item call then

[fathom hound]

i felt that, good night and good luck when you work on it again!

[brave fable]

(O) just explicitly defines your item as a basic Object, rather than (BC) or (R) or (F) or something for other item types

[fathom hound]

oh okay

[brittle pasture]

(I gotta run for 20 min any dialogue wizards who can jump in I'd greatly appreciate it)

[fathom hound]

the hero we all need

[velvet narwhal]

"I spent the afternoon daydreaming about the ocean. So I decided to cook some seafood. [(O)198 (O)202 (O)727 (O)MossSoup]$h"

so the (O) is necessary, but how is it going to...

i'mma just put flavor text real quick

[velvet narwhal]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/e773253fc11a4f92ab9e485e80f8dab6

[brave fable]

without knowing what's inside assets/disposition/Disposition.json, possibly the trailing space at the end of your NPCGiftTastes is causing issues? unsure if that's a problem these days

[fathom hound]

thats really nice of you avi thanks

[crystal yarrow]

ill see about the space - heres the dispo https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/3dbe459f9d1f412180745440f3fae0f7

[brave fable]

it's failing in dialogue, so the issue could be in any one of your dialogue files

[velvet narwhal]

yeah, did you update your disposition to be data/character

[crystal yarrow]

i did not

[velvet narwhal]

i would start there before we worry about the dialogue

[crystal yarrow]

thats def the issue then

[brave fable]

oh well your Dispositions changes are never going to be loaded

you're working with SDV1.5 data.

[crystal yarrow]

i was trying to do the data/character earlier. im not sure if im doing it right

[velvet narwhal]

https://github.com/Aviroen/Custom-NPC-Edelweiss/blob/master/data/Edelweiss.json

bright ass red comments for your sanity

[brave fable]

review the character structure for SDV 1.6 here: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:NPC_data

it's completely different to NPCD

[crystal yarrow]

that is what i have been following actually, but i still get confused

[fathom hound]

omg avi

theres an extra }} at the end

[velvet narwhal]

well that would make sense

[fathom hound]

after rockcandy i dont think thats supposed to be there

[brave fable]

surely this is the same error you had just before

[crystal yarrow]

because what the heck is a blank.json and where do i put the files

[velvet narwhal]

blank.json is quite literally {}

[fathom hound]

im so tired im gonna ||hurl||

[crystal yarrow]

what does it do? whats the point of it?

[velvet narwhal]

i had a good 3h nap

[tender bloom]

It’s a file that contains nothing but {}

It lets you use EditData instead of load

[velvet narwhal]

if you look at characters/dialogue folder, you see all the NPCs have their own file?

well your NPC doesn't have a file, so whenever you're editdata'ing, you're writing into the void

[tender bloom]

Basically it’s a placeholder for “I’m gonna put things here later”

[crystal yarrow]

ooooh ok let me put this together rq

[velvet narwhal]

npcs are the worst to debug for a newbie if you've split them all up because you're like "welp, fellas, here's the 8 json validator links, help"

[tough crater]

I just had an idea. Death Note, but Light moves from Zuzu City in order to escape being found out as Kira. L decides to come along and basically harass this man into revealing himself

As a mod

[fathom hound]

ok so smapi stopped yelling at me but i still didnt get the item at the festival

ima restart my game JUST in case

[velvet narwhal]

what dialogue pulled up?

[pine elbow]

Best practice is to always make a new save when testing something. Just so everything is fresh

I cleared out so many saves that had "a" as the name yesterday

[fathom hound]

i would but i wanna have npcs like leo and kent

[crystal yarrow]

okay i have this

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/b30fe1d5dc7e4b22bed865043151b873

the character file

[velvet narwhal]

oh

remove <>

in your internal name

{{ModId}} is brand new, you don't need to replace that

so change Dean.Raki back to {{ModId}}

[crystal yarrow]

oooh ook

[crystal yarrow]

i remove these on every name right

[velvet narwhal]

yep

that's just wiki formatting, anytime you see a <> replace it, it's not-optional

[pine elbow]

Lots of yummy conditions in your disposition...I'm definitely going to be using those

[crystal yarrow]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/562efd11ca604c4eb98b9940299130cc

and the character file goes in tenko-assets-data.. i have the quest, phone calls and movie data in that folder too

[velvet narwhal]

Also sorry I'm leaving to get dinner

[crystal yarrow]

all good, i appreciate the help

[velvet narwhal]

Can't remember if my release zip on github works appropriately as a plug n play

I'll check that later, I think I put only the essentials in there

[fathom hound]

YES IT WORKS

THANK YOU GUYS

[fervent hull]

hi everyone! I've been playing sdv for several years now and I wanted to take the plunge in making my own player skin mod with fashion sense

I'm working with aseprite, absolutely zero programming knowledge, and a can-do attitude

[velvet narwhal]

well that's the best way to start

[fervent hull]

as far as sprite sheets go

[velvet narwhal]

a few startups you'll probably need

!unpack if you haven't already

[ocean sail]

Follow this guide to unpack the game's content files in order to see and explore how the game data is structured.
It's helpful when making your own mods, or just to learn about how the game works!

To use this command, type !unpack.

[velvet narwhal]

!software a text editor of your voice, we usually suggest visual studio code as it has a built-in json validator

[ocean sail]

Here's a list of software for pixel art and JSON text editors we recommend: https://gist.github.com/ishanjalan/c8efb21afa21f74a052293176db107f7

For making SMAPI (C#) mods, see the Requirements section here for which IDE to install https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/Get_Started#Get_started.

To use this command, type !software.

[fervent hull]

I have one set of hair sprites textured mostly

[velvet narwhal]

if you're making the player skin you'll have to understand that the farmer is effectively a paper doll

[fervent hull]

wait it's not a png

rip

thanks for responding so quickly

I have a manifest.json file set up

when I go to add the assets into the content patcher mod file itself, how do I use the png of the sprite sheets?

[velvet narwhal]

i actually don't remember if fs does player skins

[fervent hull]

the one with the magic mirror?

[velvet narwhal]

ah body content, it does

yeah

[fervent hull]

right

[velvet narwhal]

asprite should let you save as a .png

[fervent hull]

i'm doing a saw-themed skin pack lol

[velvet narwhal]

or export as a .png, i'm unsure because i don't use it

[fervent hull]

halloween and all

[velvet narwhal]

were you doing it specifically for content patcher or for fs

because they're different frameworks

[fervent hull]

uhhhhhh

good question

let's say cp

[velvet narwhal]

if it's cp, it'd be a full on replacer

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Farmer_sprite

[fervent hull]

well I don't want to just replace existing hairstyles

[velvet narwhal]

are you doing a farmer body or a hairstyle?

[fervent hull]

I'm trying to add a bunch of my own. perhaps FS would be optimal then?

hair and outfits yeah

[velvet narwhal]

there's a lot of things to choose from customization wise so you'll need to be specific exactly;
a brand new farmer body (bald)
hairstyle
shirt
pants
shoes
hat
accessories

everything except the farmer body can be a simple addition into the starting customization/illusion fountain

[fervent hull]

uhh most of these i think

how do you add to the customization?

[velvet narwhal]

by simple addition i mean, it's a new item in that list of the vanilla instead of replacing

[fervent hull]

ohh like where you stretch out the existing textures vertically and add another three rows?

[rancid temple]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Migrate_to_Stardew_Valley_1.5#Custom_hairstyles

[fervent hull]

they're formatted in columns right

[rancid temple]

Another old addition that hasn't been properly migrated

[velvet narwhal]

well it's just another hairstyle when you're clicking in customization with the arrow menu

[fervent hull]

yeah that makes sense

[velvet narwhal]

realistically shouldn't be extending vanilla

[fervent hull]

havent even gotten that far yet hgjhgklhjf

[velvet narwhal]

VSC/VS/Rider

[brave fable]

most simple JSON mods won't require an IDE, just a capable formatted text editor

[velvet narwhal]

selph uses VIM

[fervent hull]

yeah im in notepad

[brave fable]

notepad is neither capable nor formatted lol

Visual Studio Community is what most use for C# mods

[velvet narwhal]

c#, yes, json, no

[fervent hull]

uhhh notepad ++

[rancid temple]

N++ is okay, I don't like how the validation thing for it works

[velvet narwhal]

i don't like having to install a plugin from a website i keep on forgetting about for n++

[brave fable]

sublime text (nagware) is nice for json, notepad++ is also good

visual studio code is perfectly fine too and very extensible

[fervent hull]

so this needs to be vertical if it's going to go with all the other hairstyles in the same sheet?

[brave fable]

?

what do you mean creating an IDE

installing one? sure, no harm in having extra tools even if you're just making a JSON file or two.

nope, absolutely not

[rancid temple]

100% no lmao

[velvet narwhal]

h u h

[fervent hull]

confusement

[brave fable]

we're working with microsoft's tools entirely

[calm nebula]

feel free to do that, if you want

[brave fable]

their IDE, their framework, their runtime environment

[calm nebula]

like, seriously, if that's what you want to do with your life

I'll go enjoy a virgin pina colada in the rain

[fervent hull]

you can do whatever you want forever

[velvet narwhal]

you're free to make the CLI/C++ to write stardew mods but you're also better off trying to code a robot to open a can for you

[acoustic summit]

VS works, I think adding an assembly reference (or like 10) is all thats needed. I use a decompiler for c# mods and just notepad / VS for json / content patcher stuff

[velvet narwhal]

don't expect monetary value out of it if that's what you're asking

[fervent hull]

lmao

[velvet narwhal]

live your dreams then

[brave fable]

anyone interacting with SMAPI is going to be using VS Community anyway, not VS Code, and it works perfectly fine already thanks to the existing SMAPI/SDV nuget package

[rancid temple]

Unless they're on Linux, then their options are VSC, Rider or vim

[brave fable]

save your time, save your life

[lucid iron]

wow blueberry shaming the dozen linux modders here

[acoustic summit]

You dont have to use VS neccessarily even on windows

[brave fable]

they should be shamed.

[calm nebula]

I use vim enough at work

I don't want to use vim recreationally

[lucid iron]

well if you want to like

[brave fable]

i suppose rider is actually going to be an option now that anyone can use a non-profit license

[calm nebula]

Rider free now

[lucid iron]

make your own floss csharp language server and IDE

and do it good enough

[velvet narwhal]

true, but i'll have a hard time adjusting out of vscommunity

[lucid iron]

im sure people will use it, not just for sdv

[brave fable]

i do difficult things because i'm paid to, i enjoy having a life outside of that lol

i say while answering dialogue formatting questions for free

[lucid iron]

the other fun thing to invest in is a content patcher gui mod making tool

[velvet narwhal]

what's the command>

[lucid iron]

that would also be a thing many ppl will enjoy

[rancid temple]

I had considered doing this lmao

[velvet narwhal]

!modideas ?

[ocean sail]

If you have a mod idea that you aren't planning to make yourself, you can put it in the mod ideas github: https://github.com/StardewModders/mod-ideas

However, this does not mean anyone is guaranteed to work on your idea—modders who are looking for ideas sometimes go through and work on what they find interesting off this list. If you want to pay someone to make your mod idea, there are a few people who do commissions (mostly art, sometimes code); you can ask around, search usernames for the word comms, or see !commissions.

To use this command, type !modideas.

[lucid iron]

used to be a gui npc creator (ms coriels) that ppl liked and sadly didnt get 1.6 update yet

[velvet narwhal]

99.9% of the time they're bad ideas though

[brave fable]

i've looked into a CP GUI before, but it's something you have to be confident that you or someone else will be able to invest into long-tem though given CP is constantly changing

and do i really want to involve myself in cp's complete backwards compatibility? fuck no

[velvet narwhal]

do we make him do it, do we make him become the main dev for smapi mobile

[rancid temple]

CP is already a no code mod making solution

[lucid iron]

Yeah so this gui need to be like

[silver pelican]

Hello. Im curious why other modsdid an Action: Load on a dialogue file (containing an empty json) then did an Action:Include on dialogue files that has actual content.

I also noticed this on RSV mod, Amon, and Qingfeng mod.

[lucid iron]

Drag and drop basically

For ppl who don't want to learn what a json is

[rancid temple]

You have to Load an empty json because if you Load a json with tokens in it the tokens won't work

[brave fable]

if someone doesn't want to learn what a json is they're never going to be able to finish a mod

idc if it has a ui

[rancid temple]

So you Load the empty and then usually Include another json with the EditData patch in it for organization sake

[brave fable]

i guarantee you can't reprogram my inspiration and determination

[rancid temple]

Technically you could skip the Include and just have everything in your content.json if you want

[lucid iron]

I am exaggerating ofc but it would be nice for ppl more into art side of code to have thing that can spool up the content patcher part for em

[rancid temple]

Biggest difficulty is putting up with Nexus's bullshit

[lucid iron]

They can fine tune things afterwards

[brave fable]

nexus bullshit implies you've finished your mod, though

[velvet narwhal]

probably, yeah

[brave fable]

someone did that with ModDrop

[lucid iron]

Do you have small loan of 10 million dollars

To cover the marketing and hosting

[rancid temple]

Assuming you can wrangle all the users off Nexus, it would be pretty expensive to deal with network traffic and hosting

[lucid iron]

The reason ppl use nexus isn't cus nexus is good experience

It's just that everyone's there

[velvet narwhal]

nexus has it's .zip validators, already cemented as a "modding" website

[lucid iron]

Ol social media dilemma

[rancid temple]

Before I became a mod author I had no problems with Nexus, I dunno if that's the typical user experience though

[brave fable]

nexus works for me, and it sends money to wildlife preservation for my downloads. hard to beat that

[velvet narwhal]

stardew is also kind of it's own ecology outside of the bethesda whiplash

[lucid iron]

Maybe it'll help if you try to make a mod yourself

Then you can answer these questions with the experience

[velvet narwhal]

if you're trying to find something to xkcd yourself with, chu's suggestion of the cp gui is probably your best bet
you could also be the forerunner of de-hardcoding a lot of vanilla mechanics, there is a multitude of things tbh

[lucid iron]

That's kind of like saying "I don't want to learn what foods taste good, I just want to cook"

Would you trust someone like that to make a good meal?

[tender bloom]

The hosting costs for a Nexus-like are probably the central problem

The technical aspects are all pretty solvable but Pathos already has a decent level of costs which he tracks in the monthly stats and he doesn't even host anything

You can look up his past posts to get an idea

[rancid temple]

Like 100-200 a month in just network traffic lol

[pine elbow]

I don't see how you can teach without having done it yourself

[lucid iron]

I think you should do project that spark joy but it would have to be significantly better than nexus in some way if you want people to switch to your platform

[haughty charm]

That would be entirely up to you to do. Advertising here is a no go.

[brave fable]

networking/hosting costs absolutely do not spark joy lol

[sweet sphinx]

hey, uh, what catagory is "-999"? it's not on the wiki

[brave fable]

therefore i invite you all to my service, which sftp connects mod authors to everyone who wants to copy their files

there may be security risks, but i'm willing to expose you to them

[velvet narwhal]

"some of you may die, but that is a risk i am willing to take"

[tender bloom]

this is an ore node

[lucid iron]

What if we just have a big ol torrent file with every mod ever created

P2P file sharing trust

[haughty charm]

Choo, no

That would be piracy, and we don't talk about that here.

[rancid temple]

Most things Typed as Litter you can safely ignore

[brave fable]

technically we have the 'every mod ever created' download button in the pins
you'll just have to build them yourself

[pine elbow]

Yummy computer crash

[velvet narwhal]

that scares me and i don't look at it

[lucid iron]

I think it's less than 10gb right

[tender bloom]

what about a gist we all share that links to every mod

[brave fable]

i miss the mod-dump-repo.

[lucid iron]

Although that's only like, every c# mod

[haughty charm]

Yes. This would do!

[tender bloom]

and then everyone uses github and mooches off microsoft

[lucid iron]

The mega gist

[brave fable]

tbf we can already host all our mod releases on github

[sweet sphinx]

ah

[brave fable]

it's just that very few bother to publish releases, and fewer download them

[tender bloom]

yes, i'm proposing a solution with absolutely no flaws to solve the networking problem

[haughty charm]

Who would own this gist?

[tender bloom]

where no one can find mods on github, which is really the only flaw

everyone

[velvet narwhal]

me who doesn't understand how to format the release.zip haha, yeah guys

[lucid iron]

I vote elizabeth overlord of the mod gist

[tender bloom]

this plan has no flaws

[brittle pasture]

the blockchain

[haughty charm]

Can I ask why you're so determined to be such a benevolent creator/host for the community?

[lucid iron]

I know I joked about big ol P2P torrent earlier but please be aware that you can't just mirror all mods currently posted on the sdv section of nexus, not without permission from every single author

[haughty charm]

Then do it. Build your Field of Dreams.

[tiny zealot]

listen i'm not going to stop you, but don't be sad when you can't overcome the network effect and/or the cost of hosting such a site becomes apparent

[calm nebula]

Anyways

[brave fable]

more seriously, i'd also as a user be concerned about the longevity of a service purely made for fun

[calm nebula]

Can someone please add siphonophores to the game?

[silver pelican]

ooooooooohhhh. what if i do an Action:Load and reference the actual dialogue files? Would that make a difference?

[calm nebula]

Please?

[tender bloom]

i looked them up recently and they're wild

[haughty charm]

Okay then do it, but it's time to move on from this conversation.

[tender bloom]

would you want them as fish?

[sweet sphinx]

I think category -999 should get added to the wiki

[calm nebula]

Can't use tokens in load actions

[tender bloom]

or something else?

[calm nebula]

So you wouldn't be able to have tokens

[calm nebula]

Why?

It's for the rocks on the ground

If you do anything with those you're using either a framework

Or you're doing your own c#

[lucid iron]

Maybe they float around

[sweet sphinx]

bc it exists in the Objects.json of the game, and what if smn wants to make their own ore or smth

[rancid temple]

Nah, that's the thing you want to avoid doing

[lucid iron]

And you need to hit them with fishing rod cast to collect

[calm nebula]

Then we expect you to be able to handle a decompile

[lucid iron]

Instead of using fishing minigame

[calm nebula]

And handle your own code

[sweet sphinx]

also, like, for people that stumble across it and are like me and curious about it, even if it's c# only, it's better to have more info in a wiki then less

[calm nebula]

Aren't they? Ahhhhh

[rancid temple]

The only exception to this idea is if you write all your dialogue without using a single token

[calm nebula]

So creepy. Soooo cool

[rancid temple]

If all your dialogue is written without any i18n or any tokens at all, you're good to just Load it

[brave fable]

i'd still Load-blank and EditData in that case just to allow myself to use tokens later if needed

and if you're not using i18n for your dialogue, wat

[rancid temple]

Usually I think it is the translations that get people lol

[calm nebula]

Sounds excellent!

[silver pelican]

aaaa i think i understand it noww

[calm nebula]

On my desk by Wednesday?

[rancid temple]

Poor chu, never allowed to just be the ideas-person

[velvet narwhal]

shit, 12 hours from now? what a rough boss

[tender bloom]

Could be Wednesday EOD

[calm nebula]

....i thought Wednesday was next week

[velvet narwhal]

nope, 24hours

[brave fable]

it's literally wednesday right now

[calm nebula]

Oops

Yeah so next Wednesday

[brave fable]

technically wednesday is every week though

[calm nebula]

Yes!

[brave fable]

infinite mods?

[calm nebula]

Always

Trapped in this hotel California

[velvet narwhal]

now i gotta listen to that with a pina colada in hand

[sweet sphinx]

and not the pina colada song?

[velvet narwhal]

that's for a different day of the week

[rancid temple]

What is Wednesday but a human construct

[tiny zealot]

What is a Wednesday? smash

[sweet sphinx]

please do not smash Wednesday

[next plaza]

Everything is a human construct if you philosophy hard enough (can't think of the name, but that viewpoint where the entire world/your entire life is a hallucination by your own brain)

[velvet narwhal]

nihilism?

[sweet sphinx]

no, that's where everything means nothing

[calm nebula]

.....I was going to make a joke but it would have been inappropriate

[velvet narwhal]

everything is a simulation

deterministic?

i'm now gonna make a 4th wall breaking stardew mod that shakes reality with my screen tearing c#

[rancid temple]

I love (hate?) that a lot of the stuff we see is just our brains guessing as to what should be there

[calm nebula]

Speak for yourself

[rancid temple]

We're all one short circuit away from hallucinating wildly

[calm nebula]

My 4k cameras capture the world perfectly

[rancid temple]

Lucky, I can't afford the upgrade

[sweet sphinx]

but are you sure you're holding the camera?

[next plaza]

If you manage to mod reality let me know - I'd love to decompile and harmony patch my brain

[velvet narwhal]

isn't that called 'lobotomy'

[haughty charm]

Avi, omg

[lucid iron]

That's a skipping prefix

[rancid temple]

That's if you mess up the transpiler

[velvet narwhal]

wait true

[calm nebula]

I had the wild dream two days ago where I got tossed in a mental institute but srill had to do my job (somehow?) And also had to drive everywhere and couldn't keep the car on the road for some reason

[lucid iron]

Say does the weapon stat areaOfEffect do anything

[sweet sphinx]

and even if it does capture it perfectly, you can still hallucinate what you're seeing on it

[lucid iron]

I was trying to give scythe bigger range

[next plaza]

I think it increases the bounding bxo size by that amount of pixels on each size

[calm nebula]

Doesn't it increase the range slightly but it is in pixels

[lucid iron]

Pixels...

[next plaza]

Not sure if scythe logic would account for it though

[rancid temple]

You said "the wild dream" which makes it sound like this is a recurring theme

[next plaza]

All my dreams are wild

[lucid iron]

Well I'll try giving it 128

[tiny zealot]

calling this "the wild dream" makes it--- dammit roku

[sweet sphinx]

I have been dreaming about modding stardew, and also that my dad was a semi-secret apocalypse/doomsday preper

[lucid iron]

Are you free from labview in this dream

[calm nebula]

Mine are boring. The next dream was about doing laundry

[rancid temple]

Is the reality that it's not a secret? /j

[sweet sphinx]

(is2g I'd turned on reply with that msg, is there some keybind on discord to turn it off??)

[calm nebula]

No

[rancid temple]

If you push escape when replying it gets rid of it

But I dunno about any other keybinds

[sweet sphinx]

no, he wasn't, but in the dream it was a semi-secret bc I had known he had modified the dream basement

[tiny zealot]

my dreams are bonkers but i almost never remember them.
anyway, what wacky dream shit are y'all putting into your upcoming mods

[rancid temple]

The wackiest dream of all, properly functioning code

[calm nebula]

Back on topic I seea

[tiny zealot]

(trying desperately to return to topic)

[haughty charm]

👁️

[velvet narwhal]

i'm gonna make an entire dreamland if that's what you want, ichor

[calm nebula]

Just harmony patch GL.BindTexture

What issues could that causem

[sweet sphinx]

apparently I was modding my More Animal Varieties mod? at least the first dream, the second one I think it was an npc of some kind? never saw the art of it, just code

[haughty charm]

You could take a stab at updating Dreamscape to 1.6?

[tiny zealot]

i'm hearing about dreamscape for the first time

[lucid iron]

What does that mod do

[velvet narwhal]

never heard of it, but if it's MIT i might

[haughty charm]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/11742

[lucid iron]

Wow

[haughty charm]

It's aedenthorn, so open perms

[lucid iron]

Oh most of this can just be a PIF

[velvet narwhal]

cracks knuckles

[lucid iron]

And then a couple tile actions

[velvet narwhal]

honestly i think i made a list of aedenthorn things i was gonna bring up to 1.6 as a runthrough of c#

[calm nebula]

That sounds like an awesome idea

[sweet sphinx]

aedenthorn?

[tiny zealot]

making a PIF for magicant would be fun too

[lucid iron]

Mouahrara already got to this one

[haughty charm]

A prolific modder who retired just before 1.6 dropped

[sweet sphinx]

ahh

[velvet narwhal]

what did i freak out about? six hundred mods or something?

[wide lake]

("prolific" is a bit of an understatement)

[haughty charm]

True

[sweet sphinx]

six hundred mods!?

[haughty charm]

They made 637-ish mods?

[velvet narwhal]

yeah, six hunnid mods

[haughty charm]

638 published

[sweet sphinx]

... damn you dumb brain with numbers, i thought it meant 6,000

[haughty charm]

Wait, Mouahrara updated Dreamscape?

[tiny zealot]

probably doomed though, since you'd probably need to patch farmerrenderer to ||force nudity|| and as a rule i do not touch farmerrenderer

[lucid iron]

Yeah I see a link in the comments

[haughty charm]

Thanks! I missed that.

[sweet sphinx]

what's up with farmerrenderer?

[velvet narwhal]

pain, that's what's in farmerrenderer

[lucid iron]

It's a whole ordeal to touch it, partly cus you actually have to touch both vanilla and fashion sense

Given how prolific that framework is

What if u put the farmer in swimming mode and then draw the body separately

[velvet narwhal]

oh my list of "c# mods to learn from and bang my head against" included atra's "more fertilizers" to be extensible to cp, that's gonna be an ordeal

[lucid iron]

Or settle with swimsuit

[tiny zealot]

problem with swimsuit is it only has walking frames

[sweet sphinx]

but what's farmerrenderer a mod for?

[tiny zealot]

(also, the male farmer is taller in his skivvies. please enjoy knowing this)

before you ask, i do not remember about the female farmer

[lucid iron]

Why does magicant need this anyways, I am lacking the context

[rancid temple]

It's because with his shirt off, he has to stand up straight to avoid having a gut

[tiny zealot]

oh, it's just a thing from mother 2. when ness wakes up in magicant, he is naked

[lucid iron]

Ah yes I remember now

[next plaza]

Clearly one just needs to draw clothes that look just like the swimsuit. Everyone dreams of making custom pants, right?

[lucid iron]

How would you translate the funny isometric perspective map?

[calm nebula]

A swimsuit is not panrs

[tiny zealot]

tilesheet crimes

[next plaza]

I mean the item type in stardew (custom pants tilesheets), not them actually being pants in the literal sense

[calm nebula]

Can't you just copy farmer legs

[terse tiger]

hello guys, just a random question, how do you access the content patcher config menu? i've added a configschema thing but idk how to access it

[rancid temple]

Do you have Generic Mod Config Menu installed?

[next plaza]

I don't know the context for this, but what about patching SpriteBatch.Begin to force a shader on everything instead? What could possibly go wrong

[terse tiger]

well now i feel stupid, that's probably the problem lol, thank you!

[rancid temple]

Without it, you would have to edit the config.json that's generated

Much nicer to be able to deal with it in game though

[tiny zealot]

speaking from experience: performance

[next plaza]

Under mod requirements:

• This mod requires an RTX 4090 or equivalent/better.
  Problem solved!

[rancid temple]

256GB of RAM

[lucid iron]

Is sdv/monogame cpu capped for any aspect of graphics

[calm nebula]

I'm not sure work would appreciate me running stardew on a work machine

[sweet sphinx]

lol

[terse tiger]

also, sorry for interrupting again, but there's another problem i've been encountering with seasonal variations in content patcher

usually it's assets/{{season}}/filename, where each season is a separate folder, and it looks like this is checked every ingame day to update sprites, but for some reason, the file for houses_PaintMask.png doesn't update unless you close and reopen the game

[calm nebula]

That sounds like an issue in smapi asset propagation

Is your mod published

[terse tiger]

not yet, still working on it rn

this is the json, and as far as i can see, there shouldn't be any problems

[next plaza]

Wasn't there a fix for paint masks somewhat recently

[calm nebula]

I haven't been paying attention

[next plaza]

Yeah, it's fixed in the next SMAPI version

So 1.6.9

[calm nebula]

The last fix I recall is chairtiles

[terse tiger]

not sure, this is the first time i've done any modding since last month because exams lol

[rancid temple]

Can opt into the beta, though it'll be releasing in like 6-ish days at this point

[calm nebula]

Translations now support tokens?

[next plaza]

From the C# definition yeah

Not the CP definition of tokens

[calm nebula]

Ahhh okay

[next plaza]

IT's specifically the placeholder values

[calm nebula]

Str.format

[terse tiger]

yeah, so i'm assuming if i upload the mod right now, the next patch of cp will work fine with it

[next plaza]

I was actually talking to Pathos about something related to that - I wanted to use other i18n entries in an i18n entry

Without having to pass through the value manually

He was up for it so I'll probably be PRing it at some point

[lucid iron]

128 range scythe

it kinda works but strange shape

[fathom hound]

Flying cauliflowers!!!!

[rancid temple]

Seems like it's only expanding it left and right?

[lucid iron]

i slashed down in this image

its got a gap

[calm nebula]

Lol

[next plaza]

(My use case was specifically guidebooks - I want the page translation to be able to use translations with just the strings, so that translations only need to override the string ones, unless they need to change some formatting to make things look right, in which case they can override the formatting ones too)

[rancid temple]

That's bizarre lmao

[terse tiger]

scythe's aoe is a bit weird iirc, i think it's made of multiple hitboxes that are pulled apart as size increases

[calm nebula]

It's not bizarre if you've seen the weapons collision code

[next plaza]

Still would have to pass through DTs and config values manually (such as with S&S, Hector's pronouns) unfortunately

[lucid iron]

yea its like based on frames

i'll just patch that to give me a 7x7 square

[rancid temple]

I would argue that's just pushing back the blame on what part is bizarre :P

[next plaza]

(UNLESS you use my CP alternative, which passes context values through to translations automatically, because unlike Pathos I actually don't mind implicit behavior in cases like these 😛 )

[lucid iron]

hm how do i draw a giant crop getting sliced in half

would it be like, 2 TAS

[next plaza]

One day I'll actually make it where non-C# mods can use it

But first... docs

[lucid iron]

is the wip of the spacecore docs site published somewhere

[sweet sphinx]

just found out about the "explode" function in json

I am sad that it is not, in fact, a thing to make the (thing) explode in error

[next plaza]

On my local lan network

And if I restart my computer it vanishes until the next time I decide to work on it 😛

[lucid iron]

Utility.getListOfTileLocationsForBordersOfNonTileRectangle why

[next plaza]

Apparently Pathos tweaked the save serializer some in the upcoming beta build, so if someone could test SpaceCore's stuff after that is out, it would be greatly appreciated

Remind me in 92 hours to look into SpaceCore serialization for 1.6.9 if I haven't already

[patent lance]

NO. HECK NO. NOT GON-- ohhh fine. Consider it done, kittycatcasey. (#6332024) (92h | <t:1730590249>)

[velvet narwhal]

i should figure out how to build from source huh

[lucid iron]

it's working fine