making-mods-general

[naive depot]

yeah, just to not make it where you don't get a bunch of random people appearing

[sweet sphinx]

like? Load: folder assets?

[rain basalt]

just use a warp on touch tile action on the map itself it should give you the warp animation and black screen on transition

[naive depot]

haha, okay, thanks.

[velvet narwhal]

well if you're separating farms it's a lot more than that, you need to use the shadow realm and... basically re-implement the bespoke multiplayer, wouldn't you

[sweet sphinx]

oh, I think I got it

[rain basalt]

na you can port map to map

[sweet sphinx]

like this?

[uncut viper]

porting map to map is obviously fine, having multiple things that act like farms takes a bit more than just a tile warp

[velvet narwhal]

you can obviously create "farms" wherein players will all still spawn at the original farm and they can just build cabins on those other "farms", yes, but if you really wanted the actual "separate farms" you'd have to reimply the multiplayer

[rain basalt]

test it

[sweet sphinx]

ok

[lucid iron]

{
"LogName": "RedChicken: Sprites",
"Action": "Load",
"Target": "Mods/{{ModId}}/RedChicken",
"FromFile": "assets/{{TargetWithoutPath}}.png"
},

thereafter you refer to the chicken sprite with Mods/{{ModId}}/RedChicken

[rain basalt]

cant you use an absolute path as well?

[naive depot]

yeah, I figured

[lucid iron]

this is assuming your chicken png is assets/RedChicken.png in the mod folder

[tiny zealot]

even if you can, i wouldn't. who knows where your users might have installed their game (and therefore their mods folder)

[lucid iron]

not sure what is meant by absolute path here

[rain basalt]

hmm im actualy working on a multi farm mod any guides on this

[sweet sphinx]

my path is assets/Red Chicken.png , bc the vanilla pngs have spaces too

[uncut viper]

there are no guides on that bc its not something thats done

[lucid iron]

spaces are fine, i just dont like how they look

[sweet sphinx]

fair

[velvet narwhal]

i got handed a chore i can make a tldr of how i'd implement it in a few mins

[rain basalt]

sorry minds wandering just ment load asset from folder to folder and reference from the game folders

[tiny zealot]

spaces in names for things (when allowed) occasionally cause headaches so i avoid them when practical

[rain basalt]

k ill fiddle with the concepts then lol

[lucid iron]

well u can make any map buildable thesedays

[rain basalt]

should i add custom pathing to my maps for npcs

[lucid iron]

so u could have a lot of locations that behave like farm

changing player spawn is different though, no idea how that works

[uncut viper]

aside from the tons of logic that involves the Main Farm being The Farm of course

[sweet sphinx]

so will this work then?

[lucid iron]

i would hope so, i got no intention to lie to you

[rain basalt]

do what we all do test and pray

[sweet sphinx]

it's kinda confusing what it's loading tbh, I'm trying to load the whole assets folder(there are no subfolders)

and currently, there's just two sprites in it

[lucid iron]

you cannot load a whole folder

[sweet sphinx]

dang

[lucid iron]

need to load files one by one

[rain basalt]

yah have to target individual files within the folder

[lucid iron]

{
"LogName": "Spider: Sprites",
"Action": "Load",
"Target": "Mods/{{ModId}}/spider_1, Mods/{{ModId}}/spider_t, Mods/{{ModId}}/spider_p",
"FromFile": "assets/{{TargetWithoutPath}}.png"
},

can do this so that its 1 load

[uncut viper]

the {{TargetWithoutPath}} thing is the closest you can get

[lucid iron]

but still gotta type out each name

[uncut viper]

it means it will take whatever you put as your Target and chop off everything before (and including) the last slash

so e.g. it will become "spider_1"

[sweet sphinx]

[Content Patcher] Patch error: More Animal Varients > Sprites has a FromFile which matches non-existent file 'assets\Reshka.MoreAnimalVarients.png'.
well now I get this

[lucid iron]

did you not put the last part

as mentioned you cannot load a whole folder

[sweet sphinx]

I did this

[uncut viper]

the Target needs to be like what choooo wrote

[lucid iron]

also you need to adjust all the places that mentions the animal texture

[sweet sphinx]

but the "RedChicken" thing, I only have a png as "RedChicken", nothing else

I also need to load BabyRedChicken.png

[uncut viper]

then you'd write Mods/{{ModId}}/BabyRedChicken, Mods/{{ModId}}/RedChicken

as your Target

[sweet sphinx]

oh

[lucid iron]

i have this unreleased animal mod u could reference

although, if u r add skin to vanilla chicken instead of adding a new red chicken then that's slightly different EditData

[sweet sphinx]

yeah, I'll get to skins after I figure out whole new animal

YES

so, just about everything is working, but I thought I set their eggs to brown eggs, but she laid a white one?

[rain basalt]

its always something lol

[lucid iron]

she should lay red eggs

[sweet sphinx]

yeah, ok, I'm staring at the Brown Chicken's code, and I deffinately coppied that part right, so?

[velvet narwhal]

deviled eggs

[sweet sphinx]

Rhode Island Reds lay brown eggs (I owned some as a kid)

[rancid temple]

Have you tried it with a new chicken?

[sweet sphinx]

?

[rancid temple]

Just trying to make sure it's not like some code added after the chicken had already been spawned

[velvet narwhal]

you have the produceitemids set to 180 and the deluxeproduceitems set to 182?

[sweet sphinx]

This is a new chicken, I bought it, slept 3 times, and went inside the coop to fine a while egg

[sweet sphinx]

yup

well

I have this, which is the same on the Brown Chicken

[velvet narwhal]

eggitemid i'm going to assume is just what is hatched from

scroll down, should be this

[sweet sphinx]

ohh

ok

YES!

brown eggs!

:D

[velvet narwhal]

i forget if you can build a cabin in a 'CanBuildHere' location

[uncut viper]

canbuildhere can be any outdoor location but cabins must be in an AlwaysActive location

[velvet narwhal]

ah, that'd be the workaround instead of reimagining bespoke then

find tile to warp (or spacecore totem) -> data/location new location canbuildhere/alwaysactive/canplanthere

[uncut viper]

you still wont have any of the logic to treat the other maps as The Farm for things like perfection, farme vents (getting a pet/cave), patios, etc

[velvet narwhal]

yeah, it'd just be a "enjoy walking all the way back if you're forced into a farm event, sucker"

alternatively; minecart to other "farms"

[sweet sphinx]

hmmm, so I don't think it's gonna hatch a baby Red

just tried 3 eggs and all brown

[rancid temple]

Probably because your red chicken is going to be added later to the dictionary of animals, and it returns the first match

[devout otter]

Is it possible to add a custom sound, then play it from specific tile via CP? i.e. a radio whose music can only get clearer as you walk near it.

[sweet sphinx]

mmmm

[ocean sail]

@sweet sphinx You leveled up to Cowpoke. You can now speak in our voice channels and share images in all channels!

[sweet sphinx]

lol, cool

[rancid temple]

Trying to think if I've ever seen this in the base game, I don't think so

Don't even know enough about how the sound/music works to know how hard it would be to do in C#

[sweet sphinx]

perhaps making the red chicken as a skin will allow it to get added to the pool of brown egg hatches?

[brittle pasture]

yeah it's a game limitation. one animal type per egg

[uncut viper]

i went to look at the waterfalls in the forest but they dont seem to have any tiledata so its probably a hardcoded thing
also i might be totally making up a memory of waterfall sounds in the first place

[velvet narwhal]

guess you're making that red egg

[sweet sphinx]

not rly, Blue chickens can hatch from white eggs iirc

[brittle pasture]

no they cant

it's an old misconception

[sweet sphinx]

but they lay white eggs??

[velvet narwhal]

yep

[brittle pasture]

yes, which always hatch into white chickens

[sweet sphinx]

ugh

[velvet narwhal]

you can only purchase blues

[uncut viper]

animals can produce whatever item you want

[tiny zealot]

you can play sounds tied to a tile location via C# but i don't know of a way to do it with CP

[uncut viper]

doesnt even have to be eggs

[velvet narwhal]

maybe MEEP? but spacial audio is probably a game limitation

[devout otter]

Yar, waterfalls spacial audio is done via BrookSounds map property.

[brittle pasture]

(there is a framework mod that will allow multiple possible animal types per egg, but that's advanced territory 🙃)

[sweet sphinx]

damn, then maybe I'll make Red's a skin, and make Red & Blue eggs, bc that's bunk that you can't hatch Blues

[brittle pasture]

yeah there's a blue eggs mod

[uncut viper]

i guess you could just copy the BrookSounds map property into a custom map property for custom music

could probably turn that into a thing for one of the frameworks that does map tile stuff

so, not it!

[tiny zealot]

yeah lmao which one, there's like four or five now

[rancid temple]

Yeah, if the base game does it then it shouldn't be that hard to make a CP functionality, even if it's just adding a map property or something

[uncut viper]

i guess it might be a lil more complex if you wanna turn it on and off like a radio

just a lil tho

[velvet narwhal]

wait is it using vector2 to set the position of the audio?

{
    string[] sounds = this.GetMapPropertySplitBySpaces("BrookSounds");
    for (int i = 0; i < sounds.Length; i += 3)
    {
        if (!ArgUtility.TryGetVector2(sounds, i, out var tile, out var error, integerOnly: false, "Vector2 tile") || !ArgUtility.TryGetInt(sounds, i + 2, out var soundId, out error, "int soundId"))
        {
            this.LogMapPropertyError("BrookSounds", sounds, error);
        }
        else
        {
            AmbientLocationSounds.addSound(tile, soundId);
        }
    }```

[sweet sphinx]

ok, so, ig the next step for me is making skins

[uncut viper]

yes. positional audio is already a supported thing

[velvet narwhal]

interesting

[rancid temple]

Maybe I'll take a look at it tomorrow, I just realized today that I can't actually release my crane game mod early because it's relying on an unreleased version of SpaceCore lol

[sweet sphinx]

so, I'm guessing this is code to add a chicken skin, but I'm a little confused as to how it works, it seems like so little compared to what the vanilla code looks like for Blue & Brown chickens?

[velvet narwhal]

that's cause it's targetting the white chicken's skins directly and requires less

[next plaza]

I'm curious what feature you're using from 1.26
Is this a mod that you wanted to do for the contest?

[sweet sphinx]

do I, like, add the egg modules so the Red ones lay other eggs?

[rancid temple]

Nah, this is the mod I've been working on for a while that de-hardcodes as much of the crane game as I could stomach

I'm using the Api stuff for virtual currencies

[velvet narwhal]

wdym egg modules?
if you want the red chicken to hatch out of it's own egg, you have to create the new egg in data/objects and then attach that to the eggid

[sweet sphinx]

yee

[brittle pasture]

(and also set it to produce said eggs in (Deluxe)ProduceItemIds)

[velvet narwhal]

skins just randomizes that the white chickens might sometimes come out red

[next plaza]

Huh, that's not out yet?

Man I've been holding this update longer than I thought

[rancid temple]

Uhhh, I didn't think it was but I'm definitely likely to be mistaken lol

[sweet sphinx]

but, the code you typed doesn't have any place to set what egg they lay/hatch from

[velvet narwhal]

the original one with targetfield just puts your red chicken "sprite" into the white chicken data

[brittle pasture]

(Unlockable Bundles also has virtual currency feature in case you're fine with some migration and you want it out now~~ for the contest~~ not a contest mod, just backread lol)

[sweet sphinx]

oh, so like, then do I need both the skin & the whole new animal, to make it work?

[velvet narwhal]

no, you can do both, or you can do one or the other

skins was just an option because it's less work than creating a whole new chicken

[sweet sphinx]

yee

but with the skin, how/where do I do the egg change?

[velvet narwhal]

you don't need to, they'll just sometimes be red upon hatching

[sweet sphinx]

...oh

that kinda skin

[velvet narwhal]

that's what the uh, chance is
the "weight" field

[sweet sphinx]

yee, I thought that was for when you'd buy a chicken tho

[velvet narwhal]

it's kind of like a 1/3rd chance cause iirc it's already fighting brown chicken on weight

[sweet sphinx]

well, now I'm less confused, but I am stumped on what I want to do now...

[velvet narwhal]

white chicken? brown chicken? red chicken? upon purchase and then from there, if it's a white egg = white chicken? red chicken? upon hatch

[brittle pasture]

skins work for both purchase and hatch

[sweet sphinx]

so..., if I change it to skin off of the Brown chicken? can I do that?

[velvet narwhal]

you can put the skin in both, yes

[sweet sphinx]

can I do only Brown?

[velvet narwhal]

yes, and then the brown chicken if it's chosen in the random purchase has a chance then to be red or brown

[sweet sphinx]

cool

[rancid temple]

Inb4 people ask for AT version

[brittle pasture]

(no need, AT works with vanilla animal skins)

(and buildings)

[rancid temple]

Oh yeah, I always forget that

[sweet sphinx]

I don't like AT, personally, I want automatically random skins, not having to paint my stuff

plus it's nice to not know exactly what you're gonna get

[rancid temple]

Does it not do random? My cat is always random lol

[tiny zealot]

for what it's worth, AT has a setting that randomizes from available textures

[rancid temple]

It's so random, in fact, that the cat that Marnie shows up with is not the cat I end up with when the event ends

[tiny zealot]

i don't remember if it's the default; i am also not an AT user

[sweet sphinx]

lol

hmm, this json will get long rly fast as I add skins and animals, is there ways to slice it up into multiple jsons, so each animal/skin group will have it's own file?

[rancid temple]

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/action-include.md

[tiny zealot]

dang roku with the fastest fingers

had that one in the chamber

[rancid temple]

Feature request: farm bot commands to link to CP's docs lmao

I live on these docs :P

[velvet narwhal]

true

[uncut viper]

i just type "incl" in my address bar and it auto fills

[velvet narwhal]

i only have the targetfield autofilled

and the base author one

[rancid temple]

Button must have been occupied, usually I'm beat out by her :P

[tiny zealot]

why did witch's cat bat me. what is this about

[uncut viper]

trick or treat!

you got tricked

[velvet narwhal]

you got got

[uncut viper]

witch cat also gave you a treat at some point earlier bc i gave you one for doing the giga^2 maze

[tiny zealot]

oh no

[velvet narwhal]

oh i think i went and necro candy'd the usual suspects in making-mods before the narcs came around

[uncut viper]

(i had a spoonful of ice cream ready to go, getting cp docs isnt worth letting it melt away)

[rancid temple]

This has the same energy as dubloon-tok (the trick or treat thing lol)

[uncut viper]

i tried to sneaky trick blueberry earlier and then it turns out my trick was the very first thing in the tattle tale channel

[velvet narwhal]

the first victim to the narcs

i got 6 more victims to get

[tiny zealot]

has anyone else finished that one? i keep checking from time to time but haven't seen any others

[lucid iron]

how would u even tell

[velvet narwhal]

/stats

[uncut viper]

i think its just you, me, and endertedi

[sweet sphinx]

how's this look then?

[velvet narwhal]

unless you meant the gigamaze, then i think button lives in there to lurk the maze-hell

[uncut viper]

(endertedi also got a treat)

yeah i check in on that channel from time to time

[sweet sphinx]

the content one will load everything, and the other jsons will have the animals/skins

[brittle pasture]

that looks fine I think

[uncut viper]

its the channel ive talked in second most, behind this channel

[tiny zealot]

hmm i thought endertedi only did giga giga. i must have missed it

[velvet narwhal]

in my quest to find the latest spacecore build, i noticed bluebs goes into town square, that brave soul

[uncut viper]

(oh... you're right actually, i misread it. oops. free treat for tedi)

(balance restored)

[rancid temple]

Is your ChickenSkin.json in the same folder as your content.json?

[uncut viper]

relatedly now that ive submitted my contest entry i almost feel like i dont even know what to do now. my momentum from custom museum framework is lost now

and its too close to 1.6.9 to wanna go back to it yet

[rancid temple]

New mod

[lucid iron]

wouldnt u just develop that on 1.6.9

[velvet narwhal]

i paid my debt to chu, i got mothman SiD fix

[uncut viper]

and my mod took me longer than i thought so i have less time than id like for my art entry so i might just submit something super simple

[sweet sphinx]

no

[uncut viper]

at the time i was doing the b ulk of it, serialization was weird, and i neeed that, so, its been 1.6.8

[tiny zealot]

i'm working on a pet project. there's no way to shoehorn it into the mod contest, even though i expect to finish it before the event ends

[rancid temple]

Then your FromFile is wrong

[sweet sphinx]

oh

[lucid iron]

huh u needed to register custom save type

[uncut viper]

just add a gravestone

[brittle pasture]

well Monsters is a theme, which is probably the broadest one

[lucid iron]

i think it got fixed at some point

[uncut viper]

custom gamelocation!

[rancid temple]

FromFile is a path description to the file you're trying to include, based from where your content or manifest.json lives

[sweet sphinx]

would it be assets/ChickenSkin.json then?

[uncut viper]

with custom netfields nd all

[lucid iron]

right yea

[rancid temple]

If your ChickenSkin.json is in your assets folder, then yes

[uncut viper]

less work than trying to unhardcode librarymuseum to be generically usable

[lucid iron]

well it should be fine to go to 1.6.9 now

[uncut viper]

also yeah the serialization WAS fixed pretty quick but like i did the bulk of the work in like.... 2 days

[lucid iron]

unless u r targetting a 1.6.8 release for some reason

[uncut viper]

absolutely not

[tardy adder]

I am treat less, but the Spirit Eve ambience is turning exquisite

[uncut viper]

i did target 1.6.8 for my mod entry though

which. i forgot to mention on nexus

[lucid iron]

make me some trinkets button

i desire consumers

[velvet narwhal]

button just wants something else to fixate on that isn't the museum

[tardy adder]

I am getting carried away

[uncut viper]

i actually completely forgot i was gonna test my contest entry on 1.6.9 oh no

[rancid temple]

Is your character wearing a cone of shame?

[tardy adder]

ah no its a face mask vv

[uncut viper]

is trinket tinker even out yet, i cant find it on nexus

[atomic vale]

My god I spent 30 mins finding that I missed 1 "{" in my code and made my mod 100% fail.

[tardy adder]

OR MY ATTEMPTS AT ONE

[rancid temple]

Oh ok, I can see that lol

[velvet narwhal]

no but there's trinker docs https://github.com/Mushymato/TrinketTinker/blob/main/[CP] Trinket Tinker Examples/data/lerp/trinket.json

betrayed by my bluetooth keyboard

[lucid iron]

https://github.com/Mushymato/TrinketTinker/releases/tag/1.0.0-alpha

[hard fern]

😔

[lucid iron]

it'll get official release with 1.6.9

i am just feature creeping it now

[rancid temple]

You should use VSC or Notepad++ with the validation plugin, or even just the validator site

[atomic vale]

I have notepad ++

[uncut viper]

i have no trinket ideas right now

[velvet narwhal]

i took the flyswatter, sorry

[uncut viper]

im not the "come up with creative ideas" type im the "write code to help others come up with creative ideas" type

[rancid temple]

I don't use it, so I have no idea what the plugin is called or where it's located, but I've been told that there's a plugin that lets it validate json

[uncut viper]

whatever the exact opposite of an idea girl is

[velvet narwhal]

girl boss?

[uncut viper]

girl code lackey

[brittle pasture]

you say that then add a xylophone dungeon in the contest entry

[velvet narwhal]

https://sourceforge.net/projects/nppjsonviewer/

[lucid iron]

one movement idea from like

[uncut viper]

technically i DO need to fix my one book for my books mod for 1.6.9 but ugh. work

[lucid iron]

initial discussion i didnt end up doing properly is the squid like movement

[uncut viper]

its a xylo_bone_ thank you very much

[lucid iron]

u can sort of do it with lerp and some wacky amounts of jitter though

[velvet narwhal]

you're getting the bonk for that

[lucid iron]

but i didnt get anim timing quite right

[uncut viper]

and it was a much pared down version of my initial idea was to do a sort of roguelike dungeon thing with Spacecore's dungeon feature buuuut. i quickly realized that was biting off more than i could chew in such a timeframe

[tardy adder]

Time to figure how ze buff clothes work with spacecore

[uncut viper]

rip my initial name for the mod "Skeleton War"

[lucid iron]

another one that i wanted but it seems too specific is uh

royal serpent movement

[velvet narwhal]

ah god i hate the royal serpent thing

[uncut viper]

oh i love how the serpents move tho thats not too specific at all

like the dragon summon from terraria

i would love that on a trinket companion

[lucid iron]

i do think the thing i made for repeating motion could fake it

[velvet narwhal]

i hate fightin' em

[lucid iron]

but hm doing it actually would require a rigging system of some kind i feel

[brittle pasture]

that's what updates are for
yeah same, I want a questline for my current entry but my map making/NPC/spriting/dialogue skill is deficient, so I'll just settle with the uh dimension of infinite torment as the questline climax

[lucid iron]

i still got uh

5 days

[quaint moss]

I'm having trouble conditionally changing the spouse room on rainy days. My most recent try involves loading both rooms separately and then patching the rain variant on top in the disposition data, but this just causes the rain variant to show up all the time and when the sunny one is supposed to appear, it shows as the default Abigail room. The only thing I haven't tried yet is to load both rooms from the same tmx but before I spend time doing that, is there something I'm fundamentally mistaking here?{ "Action": "Load", "Target": "Maps/AmalurMarriageSunny_SpouseRoom", "FromFile": "Assets/Maps/AmalurSpouseRoomSunny.tmx" }, { "Action": "Load", "Target": "Maps/AmalurMarriageRainy_SpouseRoom", "FromFile": "Assets/Maps/AmalurSpouseRoomRainy.tmx" }, { "Action": "EditData", "Target": "Data/Characters", "Fields": { "Amalur": { "SpouseRoom": { "MapAsset": "AmalurMarriageSunny_SpouseRoom", "MapSourceRect": { "X": 0, "Y": 0, "Width": 6, "Height": 9 }, }, }, }, }, { "Action": "EditData", "Target": "Data/Characters", "When": { "Weather |contains=Rain, Storm, GreenRain": true }, "Priority": "Late + 100", "Fields": { "Amalur": { "SpouseRoom": { "MapAsset": "AmalurMarriageRainy_SpouseRoom", "MapSourceRect": { "X": 0, "Y": 0, "Width": 6, "Height": 9 }, }, }, }, },

[lucid iron]

maybe a smurt way will come to me

[uncut viper]

bold of you to assume i was at all thinking beyond november 1st with this mod

i didnt even make the happy halloween message check the calendar

[rancid temple]

!json you should use the validator for big blocks

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[uncut viper]

(but tbf this is mostly bc i dont know exactly when the mods will judge it)

[velvet narwhal]

iirc the spouseroom needs like, hard farmhouse patching, right?

[rancid temple]

Spouse rooms are only patched on I think save load

If you want them to patch during gameplay you have to patch the farmhouse with the spouse room

[velvet narwhal]

which might look extremely wrong if someone has a custom farmhouse

[quaint moss]

I assumed that was the case but didn't want to believe it, thanks for the confirmation

[uncut viper]

thats a mood

[velvet narwhal]

us @ smapi mobile

OH WAIT I DIDN'T POST THE MEME HERE

[rancid temple]

I think there was some kind of issue with that too, I need like a permalink to where Aba already went through this lol

[uncut viper]

i feel like both the farmhouse and the community center need "abandon all hope ye who mod here" signs

[rancid temple]

We're not a good shield lmao

[brittle pasture]

you fool, pathos is mod authors

[uncut viper]

dont need smapi mobile if no one makes mods that work on it anyway

[velvet narwhal]

he is both, and all

[rancid temple]

We don't have to look at his mod comments sections, truly he is sheltering us from them

[velvet narwhal]

#making-mods-general message
#making-mods-general message

there's aba's hacks

[rancid temple]

Can't really make the mods if the SMAPI doesn't exist but if there's not enough demand there's no way someone is gonna make and maintain the SMAPI for it

@quaint moss Avi found Aba's hack if you want to continue this route

[velvet narwhal]

highly incompatible with custom farmhouses so be warned

[uncut viper]

i wonder if just forcibly calling FarmHouse.loadSpouseRoom again would make that problem go away

[velvet narwhal]

it might even break in 1.6.9 because of THAT STUPID BEAM IN THE SPOUSEROOM

[rancid temple]

Calling to reload the spouse room whenever you enter the map would probably be fine

Even with a poly mod, probably on time changed would be fine lol

[velvet narwhal]

time changed scares me

[rancid temple]

Dunno about anything more frequent though, asking for trouble

[lucid iron]

do u think sdv should get another polyamory mod

[rancid temple]

It has like 3 doesn't it?

[brittle pasture]

well one is coming out soon

[tardy adder]

Maybe I am just losing it... I spent 2 hours wondering why a map didn't load when a flag happened......... it was false in the config

[uncut viper]

just adding it into FarmHouse.resetForPlayerEntry would be good i think

[lucid iron]

wow really

[uncut viper]

i wanted to make another poly mod a while back but gave up on that when i heard someone else already was

[next plaza]

There's Free Love, polysweet, and EnderTedi's WIP one

[lucid iron]

the specific thing i was thinking of is a polymod where the spouseroom is optional

[rancid temple]

!fourcakes

[uncut viper]

(a while back being like... may, so way before i had the technical knowhow to even do it if i tried)

[lucid iron]

and u can sleep in the spouse's house if u want

[velvet narwhal]

oh tedi's making one guess i'll finally have a reason to Romance Them All

[next plaza]

That's not really a polyamory thing - some mod authors let you do that

[uncut viper]

the main thing i wanted from a new poly mod is multiplayer support

[rancid temple]

Honestly, a complete overhaul to the relationship system where the NPC doesn't lose their entire personality would be so choice

[next plaza]

I know S&S lets you for Hector (and maybe the other two spouses)

[velvet narwhal]

wdym multiplayer support

[lucid iron]

no but most of them force spouse room right

that is the actual thing i want to make optional

[uncut viper]

my partner and i cannot marry the same spouse with our current poly mod bc whoever marries them last wins

[tender bloom]

is this like when I stole Krobus from Kailey

[uncut viper]

most likely

[tender bloom]

can you just repeatedly marry them

[uncut viper]

i dont know actually ive never tried

id be annoyed by all the weddings

[tender bloom]

like if you just give them another pendant

[rancid temple]

Every 3 days a marriage event

[uncut viper]

and id never get anniversary dialogue

[tender bloom]

more weddings more parties more better

oh i guess that part is sad

[uncut viper]

):

[rancid temple]

Co-opetition at its finest

[velvet narwhal]

move aside marriageDuties, here comes the new marriageCertificate

[uncut viper]

plus i was tyhinking itd be nice if two people married the same NPC that theyd go back n forth between the cabin and farmhouse sometimes

[lucid iron]

i thought this is also already a mod though

mod that makes npc do their og schedule

[tender bloom]

I still think it's funniest if this is accomplished by handing off a pendant every week or so

just be like "nooo it's my turn with Abigail"

[rancid temple]

Oh is it? I've been super slack in looking for mods since I started making them :P

[tender bloom]

(or whoever)

[next plaza]

SpaceCore has a feature to let your NPC ignore marriage schedules

[tender bloom]

(she's alphabetically first so she's the generic test NPC)

(or at least that's my theory)

[next plaza]

Notably, polysweet probably breaks with it

[uncut viper]

seeds: $500
tool upgrades: $2000
clothing: $50
marriage pendants: $500000
furniture: $3000

someone please help me budget this my crops are dying

[next plaza]

(EnderTedi's poly mod works with it though)

[tender bloom]

I think you should give up furniture Button

maybe also tool upgrades

those don't seem that important

surely this will never cause problems

[velvet narwhal]

use astraios' spouse incomes

[uncut viper]

you're right, i can move their budget to rain totems

[lucid iron]

clothing is free just bonk shirts out of slimes

[uncut viper]

to buy more pendants

[tender bloom]

also don't buy seeds, just steal them

[uncut viper]

now theres a mod idea

[tender bloom]

and increase the clothing budget, you need to dress up for all these weddings

I'm very good at money

[uncut viper]

so you've got enough to share them right

then*

the money that is

[velvet narwhal]

nope that was an xkcd bird thought, i don't know if roku was even close to finishing that crow-building
was contemplating the crows dropping seeds

[tender bloom]

yes I can donate to the "get married every week" fund

[uncut viper]

ok ill send you my gofundme

[tender bloom]

I can contribute a lot of extremely questionable wine

salmonberry wine, umilled rice juice, hot pepper wine

[velvet narwhal]

snail wine

[rancid temple]

I'm definitely not close to that lmao

[lucid iron]

weeds honey

[uncut viper]

okay but hot pepper wine sounds good

[tender bloom]

I don't think my taste buds are built that way 😂

[lucid iron]

isnt that just

tequila

[uncut viper]

i dont know i dont drink

[tender bloom]

I'm no wine-ologist

[merry rampart]

Quick question. Can the LockedDoorWarp Action tile not have a time requirement? Or do I need to put one in in order for it to work properly?

[tender bloom]

I think for it to be locked it needs a time maybe

have you tried 0600 to 2600?

[uncut viper]

otherwise its just a warp, no?

[brave fable]

truly appreciate another unmilled rice juice enthusiast

[tender bloom]

a delicious beverage with no questionable aspects

[merry rampart]

I want the door to have a friendship requirement but not a time requirement

[tender bloom]

try 0600 to 2600

[uncut viper]

oh then in that case yeah go with all day time

[tender bloom]

it's technically locked if it's outside those hours!

[rancid temple]

Time is required, friendship isn't lmao

[tender bloom]

aka never unless you have a mod that messes with time

[brittle pasture]

isn't that just rice milk

[uncut viper]

i wouldnt want a friend waking me up at 5am

[tender bloom]

unmilled rice juice sounds more like a health food

[merry rampart]

Mmk I'll put all day time. Thanks!

[tender bloom]

rice milk sounds kind of good

[velvet narwhal]

my cats wake me up at 5am anyway what's the difference

[tender bloom]

noooo bad kitties

[rancid temple]

But barging into Elliott's house at 6 AM and handing him a gift is like my favorite passtime

[uncut viper]

actually

if you EREALLY dont want the time thing

there is ConditionalDoor

for use with a GSQ

[brave fable]

is this the answer to the age-old question, when is a door not a door

[tender bloom]

does that have the ability to show an error message saying why?

[brittle pasture]

too bad, a man with blue skin sold me the keys to your home

[velvet narwhal]

when it's a fence

[uncut viper]

when its conditionally a false door

[tender bloom]

a door is not a door when one of a million finicky door things isn't set properly

like the tilesheet being exactly right

or the tile properties

[uncut viper]

it does actually let you specify a tile property message

[tender bloom]

oo fancy

[velvet narwhal]

god i am too stupid to redo doors and that's what's been stopping me from working more on my expansion idea

[brave fable]

yeah doors are pretty loathsome

[uncut viper]

ConditionalDoor <GSQ> and LockedDoorMessage <I think a translation key?> on the same tile i guess

[tender bloom]

every so often someone comes in sad about their doors and I'm like "doors look like they suck"

[rancid temple]

Is that a tile action?

[uncut viper]

are those what are checked in performAction

[rancid temple]

Doors are pretty heinous lol

[velvet narwhal]

it's like, 3 layers?

[brave fable]

i tried 2x2 doors a couple years ago and it sucked ass

[tender bloom]

personally I pretend they do not exist

[velvet narwhal]

buildings, front, object-buildings

[uncut viper]

if Tile Actions are the things on the Buildings layer then yes

[tender bloom]

that's a future me problem

[rancid temple]

I'm not finding ConditionalDoor on the wiki, trying to determine where it should be lol

[uncut viper]

same switch statement as LockedDoorWarp

[brave fable]

doors are like pants. pointless, stupid obstacles to my day

[tender bloom]

aka the distant future when I actually make modding progress

[uncut viper]

oh. is it not there? i just looked in ilspy

[tender bloom]

pants I have fought to a standstill

[brave fable]

so my buildings do not have doors. sweet freedom of movement

[tender bloom]

doors are a foe I have not yet faced

[uncut viper]

Line 891 on GameLocation.performAction

assuming you look in that function directly

[tender bloom]

I have a heinous python script that could use some updating and a disturbingly thorough image documenting frames of pants

[velvet narwhal]

outdoor -> indoor doors are fine, the interior doors that are locked behind friendship? makes me

[rancid temple]

In the decompile it's like lines 3919 and 9531

[uncut viper]

i assume you're not looking at that function directly!

or looking at it in VS i suppose

[rancid temple]

I'm looking at the entirety of GameLocation in VS

[uncut viper]

this is why i prefer ilspy for quick searching :p

[rancid temple]

ConditionalDoor is apparently a touch action as well (the kind that go on Back tiles)

[uncut viper]

Rider is pretty good but it does get a bit slowish when loading a huge file

so it is

[rancid temple]

Which, that's kind of misleading :P

[uncut viper]

is it? it'd still do it when you touch the tile, no?

[rancid temple]

Well when you walk onto the tile, rather than click it

[uncut viper]

whats misleading about that?

[rancid temple]

I don't tend to think of doors as tiles I stand on lol

[uncut viper]

trapdoors!

[rancid temple]

Fair

[brave fable]

in what world do you use a conditional touch door

[uncut viper]

sewer entrance

[brave fable]

is this for like, a secret cave that opens up

[uncut viper]

that was just another example not an answer to blueberry but it could be

[rancid temple]

I would still make that an action lol, simply because the game sets up the premise that you have to click doors to use them

[uncut viper]

im thinking team rocket style traps

just a hole covered with leaves

[rancid temple]

Traps would be very good actually

Time to make a Pokemon style gym building

[brave fable]

you'd need a lot of set dressing to make it act like a trapdoor though and not a random warp glitch that plays door sounds

[uncut viper]

put another touch action on the tile it warps you to that says "Ouch, you fell!"

[velvet narwhal]

actually conditional touch door fits into lumina's idea of pedestalled dungeon

[uncut viper]

the stock door sound though, that is a shame

[rancid temple]

I wonder if that touch action would trigger from that

[uncut viper]

you could conditionally patch the sound effect on location change but then its stuck for the rest of the game right

until next launch

or am i misinterpreting that line on the wiki for like the 7th time probably bc i keep forgetting

[brave fable]

patcth it again after

[uncut viper]

the fact that that makes sense makes me feel like i must be misinterpreting it

[calm nebula]

That is CP

[rancid temple]

Make new actions and touch actions that accept any sound you want

[calm nebula]

In c# you just stash the old cue in a field somewhere maybe

[uncut viper]

i was trying to think of a way to use this just in CP

[calm nebula]

Or maybe I'm misremembering

Or maybe I'm tired

[uncut viper]

because if you're in C# already it does not matter at all that conditionaldoor exists

[calm nebula]

"Is there pho near me"

[uncut viper]

bc you can make any action you want

[calm nebula]

Night!

[uncut viper]

Day!

wait, are we not playing the "say the first word to come to mind" game

[brittle pasture]

Snail...?

[uncut viper]

Honey

[velvet narwhal]

too much ff14, i immediately said "bee"

[uncut viper]

queen bee my beloved

[brave fable]

ah yés bees and honey, from the game ff14

[uncut viper]

queen bee raid mechanics in the next whatever the stardew arcade game is DLC

[brave fable]

exclusively

[uncut viper]

the one with the cowboy

[velvet narwhal]

no it's specifically the splatoon nyoot noises from the damn bgm

[uncut viper]

why am i completely blanking on the cowboy arcade game name i keep wanting to call it Junimo King but i know thats Not It

PRAIRIE KING

[velvet narwhal]

prairie king?

[brave fable]

Journey of the Prairie King

[uncut viper]

first try

[velvet narwhal]

ju nimo k i ng

[rancid temple]

The... Splatoon noises, from FF14???

[vernal crest]

Oh I played junimo kart for the first time yesterday. Dislike!

[rancid temple]

Too hard

[uncut viper]

yes. its raid music! its good

i play too much Junimo Kart i love it

[velvet narwhal]

i already linked roku to it

[vernal crest]

So hard

[uncut viper]

just download my books mod to get the cheatcode book—

[brave fable]

your books mod has prima strategy guides??

[rancid temple]

I had to play it for a few hours to get good enough to beat it for my partner, I wanted to die

[uncut viper]

close it has those "Book of 2000 AWESOME cheat codes!!!" booklets you'd get at scholastic book fairs in elementary school

[brave fable]

does it have a really terrible joke book

[velvet narwhal]

god i think the first guidebook i bought was from radioshack

[uncut viper]

blueberry ill be totally honest with you

i dont remember all the books in my mod

its been months since ive even looked at it

[brave fable]

you like reading huh? name every book

[uncut viper]

Waiting for Godot

[brave fable]

1/?

[vernal crest]

That's it. That's all the books

[uncut viper]

yeah i did it, what do you mean "?"

[velvet narwhal]

button gonna make the 5th poly mod and it's the form of a book, "Defy Not the Heart"

[brave fable]

1/1 🥳

[uncut viper]

i_tried.png

wow thats a much crunchier image than i thought

[merry rampart]

I'm trying to make a custom warp totem via SpaceCore which costs 1 of any flower to craft. That part works perfectly, flower is consumed and totem is created. However, it's showing up like this...

Any idea how to fix?

[uncut viper]

can you send your recipe json with the smapi uploader

!json

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[brittle pasture]

"any flowers" isnt a supported category in vanilla

only veggies, fish, eggs, milk

[uncut viper]

spacecore allows it though right?

[brittle pasture]

yes

adding that in case Jen wasn't using SpaceCore for the crafting

[merry rampart]

Ah so I need to use spacecore for the recipe too?

[brittle pasture]

yesh

[merry rampart]

ok

[brittle pasture]

(technically, it's not that it's not supported - any category IDs are supported in crafting. it's just the hardcoded display names don't have a branch for flowers)

[merry rampart]

This is my recipe code:

      "Action": "EditData",
      "Target": "Data/CraftingRecipes",
      "Entries": {
        "{{ModId}}_EnchantedSpringTotem_Recipe": "-80 1/Home/{{ModId}}_EnchantedSpringTotem/false/default/{{i18n:Object.EnchantedSpringTotem.name}}"
      }
    },```

So yeah I'll figure out how to do it with spacecore

[hard fern]

is it necessary to have i18n for my mod, or is that just for in case it's ever translated?

[velvet narwhal]

tokens/translation is pretty much it

[merry rampart]

i18n makes it a lot easier for translaters, yes. i like to include it even if my mod only has 1 or 2 lines

[uncut viper]

you can use i18n for yourself for extra things like easier randomization of dialogue and such too

you dont need i18n for it but it can make it easier to parse

[velvet narwhal]

it's much easier to use {{Random}} than it is the input separator imo

[tiny zealot]

even outside of translation, it pleases me to separate the player-facing text into one place instead of being scattered about

[velvet narwhal]

also if i'm doing heart events and i miss a number somewhere, it just throws a 'no translation <key>' for me, and i know where to look for the dumb thing i did

[hard fern]

the way im writing my dialogue rn makes me worried

hm

[merry rampart]

i... think i need an example of how recipes using spacecore works. anyone know of one?

[tardy adder]

I need help with dialogue

As in someone please tell me how people talk

[brittle pasture]

this adds a bunch of them https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/26650

[merry rampart]

thanks!

[brittle pasture]

look at recipe_replacements.json, it overrides a bunch of its recipes to support context tags/category ingredients

[merry rampart]

Gotcha now it's making more sense to me

[hard fern]

😓 i'll worry about i18n after my mod is actually working

[rancid temple]

Does ConditionalDoor do anything...?

Like the touch action I guess

The action definitely does, but the touch action, if the GSQ matches it... breaks the switch

[uncut viper]

yeah that seems like a bug

or at least, backwards

[rancid temple]

Maybe it's a feature that just didn't get implemented properly?

[uncut viper]

it would work if you negated the GSQ and checked the opposite

[rancid temple]

Well except that it still isn't doing anything

[uncut viper]

oh, hm

[rancid temple]

Should either be a warp or something like it there

[uncut viper]

well.... it'll tell you its locked i guess! thats technically something

[rancid temple]

Lol

[uncut viper]

but yeah, it seems like that should be the same openDoor and return

[rancid temple]

LockedDoorMessage Don't touch my door

[uncut viper]

worth bringing up i think, tiny change anyway

[hard fern]

romanceable npcs generally have heart events for every 2 hearts they have right?

[merry rampart]

For the most part, yeah. though you can add more if you want to

[uncut viper]

(tho roku did you check that its still broken in 1.6.9? i assume you've been working in 1.6.9 anyway but im not, so, just double checkin)

[rancid temple]

I'm gonna do some actual tests and make sure I've got the latest decompile and all before I bring it up

[uncut viper]

fair, so long as you remember that 1.6.9 is only like a week away :p

[rancid temple]

Yeah, ideally if I can bring it up tomorrow maybe it can be fixed (if it will be) in the nightly build lol

[naive depot]

Hello friends, does anyone perchance know how one would go about spawning a farmer npc (spawning another player that isn't being controlled by the player basically, that is if this is possible.)?

[uncut viper]

what reason do you have to want to?

i dont think thats something you can just "go about" doing

[naive depot]

ah

alrighty

[uncut viper]

as with all things, Anything is possible if you throw enough C# at it

[naive depot]

yea

I'll see if I can maybe trick the game into thinking they're farmhands or something

thanks thou

[rancid temple]

Same issue, you could make a dummy NPC

[naive depot]

yea

[rancid temple]

But I dunno how you'd make them look like the player without C#

[uncut viper]

specifically a dummy NPC not a Farmer

[naive depot]

yea

[rancid temple]

The way farmer's are built from their various paper doll parts also causes an issue in that regard, since you aren't just copying a spritesheet

[naive depot]

ah

makes sense

customazation purposes

[rancid temple]

Knowing what you're trying to do would definitely help in regards to determining if there's another way to do it

[naive depot]

Like what I'm trying to do with the player npc/

?

[rancid temple]

Yeah with the fake player/dummy NPC

[naive depot]

just move it around

literally it

[tardy adder]

I am regretting dialogue atm

I have 3k+ lines to come up with, nuuuu

[naive depot]

dang

good luck to you

[velvet narwhal]

godspeed to you soldier, not even my most extensive mod has 2800 lines

[rancid temple]

Hm, yeah I mean in C# you could determine how the game is drawing the farmer and recreate that yourself, but it's gonna be pretty involved

[naive depot]

I can do that.

[next plaza]

I mean, you could just new Farmer() and render that

[rancid temple]

!decompile if you haven't

[ocean sail]

If you want to make SMAPI mods with C#, one important resource is decompiling the game to read the game code. Here's how to do it: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/Get_Started#How_do_I_decompile_the_game_code.3F

To use this command, type !decompile.

[naive depot]

that... works?

I tried that, but maybe I did it wrong

Because I am pretty bad at programming lol

[next plaza]

It might not layer properly behind things depending on when you draw it

[rancid temple]

I'm still trying to avoid messing with draw logic lol

[tardy adder]

watch my dialogue slowly become single sentences...
Tornado occurs, Lewis: Well, that happened... Anyways

[uncut viper]

(i must be dumb thats like the 5th time ive hovered over the candy emote react to try and see who gave it)

[vernal crest]

xD

[rancid temple]

Lmao, me too

[uncut viper]

i checked those too but those were ON PURPOSE just in case one of y'all was bein a jokester

[vernal crest]

ooOOOooooOOOOo who did iiiiit????

[uncut viper]

lurking chu

[velvet narwhal]

not i, i'm busy playing rhythm heaven in honkai

[vernal crest]

It was me I did it

[lucid iron]

i think im really bad at trig

[uncut viper]

what are you trying to trigonometrify

[rancid temple]

Is anyone good at trig?

[velvet narwhal]

are you making the serpent with a sine function

[lucid iron]

no im still trying to make this bounce motion look better

[uncut viper]

i consider myself decent at trig but i also took extra calc courses in uni for fun so i think im an outlier (i forgot all the extra calc)

[lucid iron]

but hm i think my problem is that i did this all wrong

it should have been IK instead of FK

[tender bloom]

i might be

[lucid iron]

the spooder will just look kinda bad i guess

until i come back and make the targeted leap motion

[vernal crest]

Why did I leave all the drawing for last now I just have a bunch of drawing to do.

Why does all my modding involve so much drawing anyway!?

[uncut viper]

have you looked at any easing functions chu

[velvet narwhal]

see i did the drawing first

[lucid iron]

not really

[uncut viper]

may be worth lookin at

[lucid iron]

i wrote uh whatever this is for the squash

float thetaF = (float)Math.Max(Math.Pow(Math.Cos(2 * Math.PI * theta), 5) / 2, 0) * args.Squash;

[vernal crest]

I started the drawing first but you are a speed demon and I am a tortoise who is not actually winning the race

[lucid iron]

i dont remember the logic behind this anymore but it looks alright

[vernal crest]

Before I do additional drawing that I don't have to do: the cauldron smoke effect is C# right?

[lucid iron]

but the IK/FK thing i was talking about is that

[uncut viper]

i mean looking good is more important than it being mathematically good i think in this case

[lucid iron]

rn bounce is an offset from the anchor

which make sense cus it just extends lerp

when u look at a jump while player is moving closely

the trinket changes direction midair

bc it's final position is also moving

[uncut viper]

is there smoke thats separate from the bubbles or do you mean the bubbles. i see an addCauldronBubbles function

[lucid iron]

i needed to do IK (decide target and derive path) instead of FK (get target from path), to borrow some rigging words

[vernal crest]

This stuff. I would not call that bubbles...but maybe it is?

[uncut viper]

inverse kinematics is where my brain checks out so all i can say is good luck

[lucid iron]

it's not a real rig at least

[uncut viper]

maybe? smoke bubbles whatever this function is drawing is somewhere in cursors, around x372 and y1956. that may be a smoke bubble

[lucid iron]

but yea bc the current impl looks quite good with dust sprites i dun want to change it too much

[uncut viper]

i guess this is a bubble

it looks like it matches enough i think maybe

[lucid iron]

i think you have to fake it aba, with animated spritesheets

if no C# i mean

unless whatever u are targeting accepts TAS

[merry rampart]

Nice when I can get something to work the way it should.

Now I should go sleep....

[vernal crest]

Thanks Button, I will add "make C# smoke" to my "try later" pile

That'd probably be a pretty easy thing, right?

Suitable for babies?

[lucid iron]

SpecialVariable == 388859

[uncut viper]

considerin the code already exists, id say so

[lucid iron]

its just a TAS yea

[uncut viper]

just need to change the tile location and colour

[lucid iron]

i wonder what is like

[vernal crest]

TAS = tasmania, right?

[lucid iron]

the deal with these SpecialVariable values

[uncut viper]

relatedly this is how i found out you can make the cauldron bubble up more by clicking on it

[velvet narwhal]

tempanimatedsprite

[lucid iron]

what is generating them...

[uncut viper]

SpecialVariables?

[uncut viper]

i think those are just like. random misc number storage

[lucid iron]

they r always flagging some thing or another

[naive depot]

Hey, I might just be dumb but I'm trying to render my new Farmer() and it's not appearing? I'm using farmer.draw() post render with Game1.spritebatch, am I doing something wrong?

[lucid iron]

i assume no one's like, going in and putting 388859 by hand

so it's not clear why these values are what they are

[velvet narwhal]

atra might say, "compiler things" and handwave

[vernal crest]

Argh security questions that rely on subjective things ("what is your favourite movie") are the worst. I have no set favourites! Leave me alone!

And then objective ones are easy to find out

Terrible

[teal bridge]

Security questions period are idiotic, they are simply weaker passwords.

[vernal crest]

Agreed

[teal bridge]

I have not entered a real answer into one of those in over 10 years.

[uncut viper]

if you just generate another random password for the security questions, does that count as 2fa

(/j)

[teal bridge]

That's not far from what I actually do.

[vernal crest]

I guess I could put the answers into bitwarden so I can remember them

[teal bridge]

Not that I'd call it 2fa, obviously.

[rancid temple]

Yeah, rather than legit answers, I just have set answers I use for those lmao

[teal bridge]

Yes, unfortunately that is weak security on its own, though it's better than easily-guessable answers. At least most of the time they have enough sense to enforce them in addition to a regular password in a misguided 1.1fa scheme, but when you see those security questions being used for account recovery, run the other way.

[rancid temple]

Oh right, ConditionalDoor action isn't even a warp, it's for interior doors lmao

[uncut viper]

oh. oops

[rancid temple]

So I guess the touch action would be like a button

[uncut viper]

hi

in my defense i dont do map stuff i just saw it was beneath LockedDoorWarp and just assumed they'd both warp you

[velvet narwhal]

oh is it used for the volcanodungeon?

[uncut viper]

actually believe it or not

the only usage in vanilla for conditionaldoor is in the adventurerss guild

i guess it could theoretically be added when randomly generated in the dungeon maps

but thats the only instance in a .tmx itself

[rancid temple]

It also has no condition, so it will never open???

[uncut viper]

it does have a condition

[rancid temple]

Or will it always open?

[uncut viper]

1000 monsters killed

[rancid temple]

Oh is it set in the code?

I was looking in Tiled

[uncut viper]

i dunno i just set n++ to search in all the tmxs

you might be looking at the touchaction one

it seems there are two

one is TouchAction, which has no condition, and one is Action

[rancid temple]

Oh, I am indeed

[uncut viper]

which has a condition

[next plaza]

I didn't know that game had text file search functionality /s

[uncut viper]

great game tbh

good couch co op fun

(i also didnt see any reference to ConditionalDoor elsewhere when searching the decomp so i guess that is the only place)

[rancid temple]

Ah no wonder my LockedDoorMessage kept throwing errors, it's one of those cursed path references

[quaint moss]

Is it possible to get working chairs on the spouse patio via Data/ChairTiles?

[velvet narwhal]

probably

[uncut viper]

until a farm map moves the patio

[lucid iron]

ill fix this when i make the squid motion probably

[rancid temple]

You'd also need a separate patch for every vanilla farm type

Or, every one that has different patio spots

[uncut viper]

tbh id probably just have the spider not change direction midair

[teal bridge]

Yeah, that was a little off-putting to me as well.

[lucid iron]

as mentioned previously, the implementation cant do it

ill have to change the base motion from lerp (follow player) to dart (pick spot to go to every X second)

[teal bridge]

I guess it doesn't really understand "Z"?

[rancid temple]

Eh, seems like normal video game behavior to me lol

[lucid iron]

dart being the squid like motion i was putting off

[uncut viper]

i think i misunderstood what you were saying originally then, my apologies

[velvet narwhal]

it's on an invisible leash

which makes sense to me

[teal bridge]

It's normal video game behavior to bounce off the edges of the screen, but not so much reversing in arbitrary places.

[uncut viper]

unless you're a player with mid-air movement

[lucid iron]

problem for later™️

[teal bridge]

Is the lerp behavior your own implementation or relying on some game script? If it's yours, just add commitment.

[rancid temple]

I didn't realize Data/ChairTiles was based on tilesheets

[lucid iron]

yea it is my own i am just slacc

[rancid temple]

That should make it way easier to make chairs for spouse patios

[teal bridge]

Isn't everything based on tilesheets?

Except text, I suppose.

[lucid iron]

chairs could be furniture

not map tiles

[rancid temple]

I had assumed it was based on like maps

[lucid iron]

chair tiles are some special bs though

[uncut viper]

does it specifically look for a tile that matches a tilesheet coordinate and not a tile coordinate?

[lucid iron]

neither map prop or tile data, its own model

[next plaza]

One could argue the text glyphs are a tilesheet in a way

[teal bridge]

They are, they just get special treatment.

Everything is a sprite. Maps are sprites too.

[uncut viper]

i thought some glyphs were made with splines

[rancid temple]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Maps#Sitting_on_non-furniture_chairs
Yeah, it's also a string format data asset

[uncut viper]

and weird math

[teal bridge]

...fine, not everything, just 99.9% of the things. It's technically possible to emit graphics in MonoGame with shaders/effects.

[uncut viper]

what a strange data asset

[velvet narwhal]

i now remembered why i didn't make the couches sittable, i didn't want to figure out how to finagle it

[uncut viper]

thinkin about this has me wondering what the most niche thing in Content/Data is for mods to edit

or to want to edit

[velvet narwhal]

monsters

[uncut viper]

i was thinking it had to be between PaintData and Mannequins

maybe MakeoverOutfits

[teal bridge]

Monsters was pretty awful, I've gotta say.

[velvet narwhal]

oh my brain saw niche as "pain in the ass"

[uncut viper]

monsters has loot tables thats good stuff

[lucid iron]

monsters isnt that niche it's just kinda useless and there's ftm

[uncut viper]

naw niche as in "people will rarely ever need to edit this"

[velvet narwhal]

achievements?

[next plaza]

How about IncomingPhoneCalls

[lucid iron]

can u add custom achievements

[uncut viper]

i think you can add your own achievements... so long as you dont care about making them steam ones? i guess

i saw someone add to IncomingPhonecalls once

[velvet narwhal]

i think the new SVE update has it

[rancid temple]

MonsterSlayerQuests

[uncut viper]

id be surprised if no one has edited monster slayer quests tbh that also seems like a good and easy one to edit

[teal bridge]

Because Perfection.

[uncut viper]

i mean you can also just make them easier

you dont need to add new things

[velvet narwhal]

oh i just realized i could commit crimes with random bundles

[uncut viper]

but like, who's out here making more mannequins?

[velvet narwhal]

casey

[uncut viper]

has Casey made a mannequin

[teal bridge]

True. I'll probably go with makeover outfits as the most random/niche thing, it's literally one mini-event in the game.

[velvet narwhal]

i don't know but there sure are a lot of mannequins every time casey puts up a test video

[uncut viper]

im gonna make sure i edit MakeoverOutfits now for my NPC mod

[next plaza]

I mean, I helped write the base game code for it, so...

[uncut viper]

if i conditionally patch it to empty the entire list i can guarantee that you can get my NPC's outfit as a makeover outfit one day

[naive depot]

Hey, I've been working away at my Farmer thing, but I can't seem to get it to render, you're supposed to call draw on the farmer at Rendering, right?

[teal bridge]

GarbageCans looks tantalizing.

[uncut viper]

that doesnt count!!!

[next plaza]

I had the pre-1.6 mannequins, does that count?

[uncut viper]

did Data/Mannequins exist back then?

[next plaza]

Nope

[uncut viper]

instant disqualification

[next plaza]

How dare you Buttons

Giving me a trick

[uncut viper]

just propping you up on the leaderboard

[next plaza]

I have 2 tricks and 2 treats

[teal bridge]

Bats are tricks? I don't understand this particular event.

[next plaza]

I don't think I'm making the leaderboards

[uncut viper]

(also idk the answer to the Farmer thing)

[lucid iron]

what is a good way to obtain random point in this zone

given min radius max radius and a theta

[teal bridge]

Random angle + random radius

[next plaza]

^

[teal bridge]

It's just a polar coordinate, same as you'd do a random (x, y)

[lucid iron]

ah right

then i just gotta atan the theta from farmer

[uncut viper]

obviously you need to take the radius of the circle and act as if its a square, generate a random point inside a Rectangle with the width and height set to that radius, check if that point is within the area of the circle, and if not, discard it and generate a new one

[lucid iron]

is this a ref to something specific

[teal bridge]

Only if it's used for fishing.

[uncut viper]

no its just me giving you great ideas

i dont know what the deal with fishing is i blocked fishing code from my memory

[teal bridge]

That is actually how parts of fishing work.

[lucid iron]

fear

[teal bridge]

Pick a random tile, check if it's fishable/splashable, if not then try again a few times...

I thought that's what you were referring to.

[uncut viper]

no i just enjoy giving incredibly obviously inefficient solutions and/or bad ideas to nail problems that can be solved with a simple hammer because i like trying to hammer nails with nukes instead

[safe mortar]

Thought my mod was done but whoops they're still wearing their costumes after the event XD I just flew back from a trip earlier today and it's after midnight so def a tomorrow problem haha

[teal bridge]

It's also sort of how you draw a circle in a shader, minus the randomness.

[velvet narwhal]

"and where does the triangle go? IN THE SQUARE HOLE, THAT'S CORRECT"

[teal bridge]

(Take a rectangular region and just exclude everything that's outside the circle radius.)

[uncut viper]

tbf, this is my attitude towards making transpilers for everything

[lucid iron]

when is calc gonna come up in modding

[rancid temple]

Hopefully never

[uncut viper]

basically all the time

[lucid iron]

does it though

i havent had to do an integral of anything

[uncut viper]

are you sure you're modding then

[rancid temple]

I've managed to avoid big math in all my mods so far

[teal bridge]

Hard to see an application for it. Linalg, yes, but not calc. I guess acceleration/velocity calculations are kind of calculus, like really basic variety.

[velvet narwhal]

when the hell am i ever going to use L'Hôpital in code

[uncut viper]

chu never specified anything above calc BC

[lucid iron]

what is calc bc

i was thinking like

[velvet narwhal]

before calc

[lucid iron]

uni year 1 calc

[uncut viper]

the really basic variety of calc, basically

[rancid temple]

Big Calculus /j

[teal bridge]

Well, there are instances here and there where you are dealing with a rate of change and want to extrapolate to some final value, so I guess that counts.

But it's being really generous to call that calculus, honestly.

[uncut viper]

im a generous person!

[velvet narwhal]

what is non US uni year 1 calc because i was on the cusp of learning integrals my first semester calc

[lucid iron]

i thought its like

all the stuff except multivariate calc

[tardy adder]

Oh great... the night event totem works... but then the day after the weather just goes yeet

[rancid temple]

@ivory plume GameLocation.performTouchAction has a ConditionalDoor that seems to do nothing when the GSQ check it does is true, otherwise it opens the dialogue for either the chosen string data asset or the fallback string.

The performAction variant is for opening interior doors, but the touch action doesn't seem to have anything like that.

I was trying to figure this out for adding to the wiki, not something I'm actually intending to use. At this point, mostly just wondering if this is something that'll be fixed for 1.6.9 or if I should just make note of the weirdness on the wiki for the touch action.

[tardy adder]

and only winter... oh well this is a feature

I am confusion

Nauuuur why is winter 7 raining but not raining and its snow

[rain basalt]

Well at least you didn’t fall asleep on your keyboard while in the middle of a large mod and have to delete 47k lines of just m’s

[sweet sphinx]

is there an easier way to add more entries to the skin list, than just copying and pasting the whole thing?

[uncut viper]

you can just add multiple things under Entries

[rain basalt]

Same entry?

[uncut viper]

as long as theyre all meant to go into the same TargetField

[sweet sphinx]

awesome

[uncut viper]

so you'd copy everything from {{ModId}}_WhiteRabbit to the brace after the BabyTexture line and change it for your next entry

[sweet sphinx]

sweet

[uncut viper]

everything from the first {{ModId}}_WhiteRabbit i.e. the one with the { on it (this is also why the smapi uploader is preferred when sending json, it has line numbers)

[rain basalt]

Well back to sleep lol this time in my bed I’ll figure out what else I messed up on mod in morning it’s 1:30am lol laters all

[sweet sphinx]

oh, I saw notepad++ was rec'd and I'm used to notepad... wait, am I even using n++??

[uncut viper]

no, you're using regular notepad

[rain basalt]

Use vs code it’s better lol

[sweet sphinx]

it said no, XD

[rain basalt]

lol shh

https://code.visualstudio.com

[sweet sphinx]

I'll check that out tomorrow, it's rly late here, and I just wanted to make two skins of the rabbits rl quick

[tardy adder]

I give up for now, I'll check later why winter 7 just seizes up 9-9

Eepy time

[rain basalt]

💤

[sweet sphinx]

... yeaaahhh, no, I want nothing to do with "AI" slop

[rain basalt]

lol don’t use the ai part

Just the editor

[uncut viper]

you can turn off github copilot and everything else. just microsoft shilling their new stuff

[sweet sphinx]

oh, cool

[woeful lintel]

I've been using VSCode for years without touching any AI

[uncut viper]

not using it bc of that would be akin to not using github bc of it

[rain basalt]

I use partial ai cause it prompts my mistakes and shows linking within the code itself

[woeful lintel]

my favorite part of VSCode: the background extension, it was updated very recently

[woeful lintel]

well, a good intelisense does it without AI...

[uncut viper]

yeah i think thats just basic IDE stuff

[rain basalt]

Technically anything that’s intuitive is AI

[woeful lintel]

sigh...

[rain basalt]

K going to sleep 😴

[woeful lintel]

are we going to go through this again? What we call AI in recent times is any machine learning model, but what you call "anything intuitive" are mostly just smart algorithms (in the sense that people who made them are smart) that have nothing to do with ✨ AI

[rain basalt]

[uncut viper]

last time i recall there being a lot of AI discussion only tangential to modding, a Junimo dropped in to corral us back on topic, so probably best to not get into it

[woeful lintel]

cuz with a simple definition of AI, the A* algorithm is AI

[woeful lintel]

yeah, good point, I'm getting mad at myself, better stop that

[rain basalt]

Just going to post this since it is the definition of AI and point out the part analyze data - Artificial intelligence (AI) is a set of technologies that enable computers to perform a variety of advanced functions, including the ability to see, understand and translate spoken and written language, analyze data, make recommendations, and more.

[uncut viper]

to get back on topic, Visual Studio Code is recommended bc its got nice features you want that regular Notepad doesnt have, like json validation and stuff (like if you're missing braces or commas or anything like that) and some nice formatting extensions if you're into that

Notepad++ can also validate your json but you need a plugin for it

so its like a step between notepad and VSC

[rain basalt]

Yep like analyzing your code to point out errors as you type

[vernal crest]

Seems so strange to me that there isn't a single N++ plugin that validates json as you go

[woeful lintel]

You're lucky Boo-tton is holding me back

[uncut viper]

i use N++ personally just bc its super lightweight for quick json edits but i can also validate my own json or, barring that, can read and understand an error msg pointing me to it if it breaks

also the basic N++ auto formatting works fine enough for me

[vernal crest]

I usually have both VSC and N++ open at all times lol

[woeful lintel]

really? what's the point??

[uncut viper]

the only thing i keep open all the time is ILSpy

[woeful lintel]

I have the VSCode extension for it, it's pretty good imo but I don't have much other experience

[vernal crest]

I use VSC for my workspace for my files and often open others' files in N++ for looking at. Makes it easier to keep my space tidy given that I am terrible for always having a million files open.

[woeful lintel]

oh, like looking at the game's content? Yeah, I do that too with my default txt editor

[uncut viper]

Rider also has an ILSpy-esque extension for it but i find it a lot less quick n easy than ilspy tbh. i just like being able to pop up a window again and search for something in like 2 seconds

[vernal crest]

Yeah and other mods for support issues, helping other modders etc.

[lucid iron]

I can't let myself access IL too easily

Otherwise I'll go directly for transpiler

[uncut viper]

but transpilers are so fun!

[vernal crest]

I have not yet learned how to navigate ilspy properly so I stopped using it once I got a csproj for VS

[uncut viper]

and soooo compatible~

[lucid iron]

They r sinful button

[woeful lintel]

I'll have to make a proper transpiler one day, the one I have can't do branches

[uncut viper]

skipping prefixes are sinful

transpilers are for connosieurs

that said branches suck ass to write in IL

[lucid iron]

I did a harmony transpiler patch from an assetrequested handler yesterday will u forgive me

[uncut viper]

editing existing branches, too. like, not impossible, just annoying

[woeful lintel]

yeah, but you have to do what you gotta do when there's a whole draw method to replace

[uncut viper]

my book mod currently has a skipping prefix so im not free from that sin

let she who sins first cast the first stone or whatever

[lucid iron]

Draw methods r no1 use cases of transpiler tho

Since they tend to be hueg

[woeful lintel]

yeah but it causes incompatibility

[uncut viper]

if your intent is to change how something is drawn completely its sometimes an ok choice

[lucid iron]

No just be careful when you sin

[woeful lintel]

like, you can't use AT on a FF Furniture

[lucid iron]

For at the answer is usually "just patch AT too"

[uncut viper]

i mean Special Power Utilities is basically the sinnest of sins bc i straight up replace an entire menu. thats like, 20 skipping prefixes

[woeful lintel]

the only "branch" I worked on with a transpiler was just replacing the lines making the condition with a call to a method I made

[lucid iron]

But you are in a position to implement a native furniture skin feature anyways, without needing AT

[woeful lintel]

yeah

[lucid iron]

Something like animal/building skins

[woeful lintel]

What I have for now is a feature where the Furniture Pack maker can add a list or dict of sprite-sheets paths and it will create as many Furniture, so the player can choose which one to use

so not exactly AT, but still usefull for making Furniture in batches

[hard fern]

uh.... 😓 you know that event where you're dating all the guys/girls at once and you get busted? unfortunately im still kinda confused on how this works for a custom npc.

[uncut viper]

that cutscene adds an active conversation topic

so if your NPC has a dialogue key for it they will also have dialogue after it happens

for when you just go up and talk to them

(even if they were not in the event itself)

[hard fern]

so they dont necessarily have to be dating the player ?

[uncut viper]

no technically you can give literally anyone that dialogue key

[hard fern]

oh

neat

hm, can you give an npc lines for getting caught dating both the guys and girls? just stick the line in?

[uncut viper]

you can give them a dialogue key for both the boys and girls version but theres no event that gives you like, secondchance_BoysAndGirls

[hard fern]

ah alright ^^ thanks

[rancid temple]

I thought there was a plugin for Notepad++ json validation, does it not work in real time?

[vernal crest]

This is the screenshot from the plugin page that Avi links. Maybe it's possible to get validation without the tree view?

I haven't actually downloaded it to see for myself