making-mods-general

[teal bridge]

Unless you want to implement Notepad++ in the chat box... ha

[lucid iron]

terror

[calm nebula]

is getting very close to removing Harmony from Aquarium entirely

...you know, with the smol expection of having to patch a tiny thing for a tiny feature, sigh

[lucid iron]

remove harmony introduce chaos

[teal bridge]

It's alright though, the setting Selph mentioned is enough - can just say to disable that option if you want hot reload to not require an alt-tab.

[outer panther]

IT WORKEDD

i cant believe that such a small thing completely ruined the mod LMAO

now i gotta figure out how to mod the clothes to fit the body, just looking at the pants sprites is horrifying

[astral prism]

how are you supposed to add clickable components to a menu after it's been made? i tried this

var menuForReference = (GameMenu)Game1.activeClickableMenu;
Game1.activeClickableMenu.allClickableComponents.Add(new ClickableTextureComponent(/* etc */));```

inside 'OnMenuChanged' but it cries and says allClickableComponents is null

[calm nebula]

(recommendation: call menuForReference.populateClickableComponentList)

[astral prism]

before doing the .Add() ?

thank ya !

remind me in 15 hours to try this

[patent lance]

freakin' xxharvzbackxx, always needin' stuff. FINE. (#6285500) (15h | <t:1728315907>)

[teal bridge]

Hot reload's now done. Funny, reloading the views turned out to be dead easy but reloading dependent sprites/textures was a minefield of threading and caching issues.

This is pretty much beta-ready now, there's one little ergonomic issue that'll get fixed when it gets fixed. Though I guess it's not really done until the long slog through docs and examples.

[lucid iron]

say how would content mods go about triggering menus?

[teal bridge]

It's not exactly in tutorial form but if anyone wants to check out a working example, there's one here: https://github.com/focustense/StardewUI/tree/dev/TestMod
(Ignore the TestMenu and TestView, those are legacy; the only files that matter are ModEntry and the assets directory)

[lucid iron]

do you have a trigger action for ppl to use

[teal bridge]

Which I believe also answers the question you just asked - I guess there's nothing stopping you from doing it from a trigger action but it can be done from normal C# without any binary dependencies, just the API reference. It creates an IClickableMenu for you.

[lucid iron]

oh content mod as in non C# mods

spacecore has spacechase0.SpaceCore_ShowHudMessage which does what it says

[teal bridge]

It's hard for me to imagine creating an entire menu that would do anything useful from a pure content mod; there has to be some sort of behavior associated with it, otherwise why do you need a menu?

But if there's some scenario I'm overlooking then these would be the kinds of examples I was asking about earlier in the day. (Specifics!)

[lucid iron]

a while back Katu was making a recipe mod (culinary delights, now released)

one desired feature was extra ways to inform the player that they've obtained a recipe, some were via mail while others via the spacecore show hud message

if you could 1) make a mostly static view 2) open that in desired location on trigger raised, then that would make telling ppl about things beyond just mail possible

[teal bridge]

It would also have to close automatically, have some degree of stacking behavior, etc. in order to behave like the regular HUD. Possibly also a way of avoiding real estate conflicts with the actual HUD. (The HUD itself can't really be changed much afaict)

[lucid iron]

yea hm, maybe i am actually describing a "stardewui triggers" mod on top of stardew ui

[teal bridge]

This feels like the type of thing to go in an add-on mod; StardewUI provides the templating system, you can use it to actually build the HUD's content, but in terms of wiring it all up to trigger actions, deciding what data goes in it, etc., that seems more suited to the "content framework" mods like the ones Button does.

(More or less what you just said, yes, we had the same thought there)

[lucid iron]

i will rotate the idea

[teal bridge]

At the moment, the API only builds menus, however I've been anticipating the HUD use case and will probably add a very simple interface like IDrawable to the API that has just the two essential methods, Measure and Draw, that can pass through Pintail easily.

The way it's designed, the "menu" is just a trivial wrapper over a certain view type, so there's not much difference; I just started with the menu because IClickableMenu is an interface that already exists. (Or, well, not actually an interface but a shared type so it's still OK)

[lucid iron]

Do you consider ui anchored to world (like afs bubbles display) hud

Or is that whole other thing

[teal bridge]

Anchoring to the viewport is in scope already (it's just a viewport-sized panel/frame with some alignment and margin... 1 line of markup) but associating with game world locations again seems to be outside the domain of what a UI framework would do. The UI framework builds the UI - the speech bubble with content, or whatever else you might want - but it's up to the individual mod to decide where to display it. Maybe this is another case for an up-level framework mod, to associate UI with tiles or objects or buildings or whatever else.

Main reason I say that is it seems like arbitrary scope and complexity - the "anchor" is whatever the mod wants it to be. Is it anchored to a tile? An NPC? A building? Terrain feature? Is it supposed to move with the entity, or stay in its initial location? And so on. Those are all non-UI decisions.

[iron stream]

When adding in i18n support via the config. Would you do it like this {{}} or like this? (image attached)

[teal bridge]

(A canonical example of this would be something like health bars; it's not uncommon to use a UI framework to show the bar with border, coloring, numbers, etc., but the UI framework is not going to handle the positioning, billboarding and all that.)

[next plaza]

There actually is UI in game that is anchored to something in world

bobberBar, to the player

And the emote wheel (also to the player)

[lucid iron]

Naw you just put in matching i18n keys, it's implicit

[calm nebula]

!1.6

[ocean sail]

Stardew Valley 1.6 is the recent major game update, which added lots of content and modding changes. See...

• 1.6 release notes (scroll up for patches);
• changes for mod authors.

It released for PC on March 19th; console and mobile are coming soon.

To use this command, type !1.6.

[lucid iron]

I was thinking more along lines of accepting a delegate to obtain the anchor point, from the mod using stardewui to do stuff

[teal bridge]

Of course. I'm just seeing the anchoring logic as being separate from the UI logic; the latter is "give me thing to draw/interact with" while the former (to me) is "how does this fit into the game world exactly".

The question is, what precisely do you gain from feeding this anchoring logic into the UI API? It saves maybe 2-3 lines of code in an update loop?

[iron stream]

Sorry, just to clarify by implicit you mean don't add the curly brackets?

[lucid iron]

I was under impression that stardewui controls the whole drawing process but I feel I am imagine this wrong

[teal bridge]

SpriteBatch controls the drawing process. SDUI participates in the drawing/update loop. Menus are kind of a special case because of all the interactivity and events that need to be handled.

[velvet narwhal]

it does it for you if you follow it in the default.json

[lucid iron]

So if you have some config named StickyCoolConfig and i18n key StickyCoolConfig.name: Cool Config

That key is used for gmcm without you doing anything else

You can't put tokens in ConfigSchema afaik

[teal bridge]

If you wanted to draw custom UI using a (hypothetical) IDrawable it would go like:

var view = viewEngine.CreateViewFromAsset("Mods/MyMod/Views/MyView", data);
view.Measure(viewportWidth, viewportHeight); // Or whatever the constraints should be

// Other stuff happens

void OnRenderHud(SpriteBatch batch)
{
  view.Draw(batch);
}

[velvet narwhal]

they kinda create themselves as tokens immediately ish?

[lucid iron]

Ah yeah I have been imagining this all wrong

[teal bridge]

What it's abstracting away is all of the painful stuff you normally have to do in OnRenderHud (or in IClickableMenu.Draw or etc.)

[lucid iron]

Did not realize consumer mod would just have the view object

[teal bridge]

I can't pass the whole IView over Pintail, but a simplified version with Measure and Draw will work, and that's enough for - I believe - 99% of use cases.

[iron stream]

Thank you for the explanations they both helped! I understand it now

[calm nebula]

hey where did the aquarium data go

@chrome mountain sooooo it's now possible to make any fish wear hats.

[teal bridge]

So a hypothetical trigger-action add-on mod only really needs to do the 3 lines (create view, measure, draw) and then the logic of how to trigger it, where to position it, etc. could be up to that mod.

[calm nebula]

pufferchick, hat? maybe?

[lucid iron]

Is there some kind of token support? Like at least the vanilla text parser

[teal bridge]

Are there cases where a token would do something that a normal data binding couldn't?

[lucid iron]

I kinda assume there is, since u r call it template system

Just wondering how one would go about reusing same view with different text basically

[teal bridge]

Like:

var data = new() { Text = I18n.Whatever(); }
var menu = viewEngine.CreateMenuFromAsset("asset", data);

That's the most basic use case.

[lucid iron]

[teal bridge]

This all needs to get expanded on in docs obviously, but there are 3 types of attributes: literal attr="value", binding attr={{Property}} and asset attr={{@Mod/Asset}}.

Any property of any view can be assigned that way and will update when the data updates.

...which reminds me, I was going to change the double brace to a single brace.

[lucid iron]

Something I recall from making that machine mod is, I wasn't too sure whether a given property I was setting would update when I change it while menu was open

[teal bridge]

It definitely will. The model needs to implement INotifyPropertyChanged, same as WPF, and I highly recommend a source generator to eliminate all the boilerplate around it.

[lucid iron]

For example it seems like the Border sprite on Frame didn't have dirty tracking

[teal bridge]

Don't confuse dirty tracking with update-ability; dirty tracking is for properties that affect layout.

[lucid iron]

Yeah I did realize this but I also did not get swapping the bg sprite to work and went with changing Tint instead

Was it something to do 9 slice

[teal bridge]

I don't think so. If changing any property at all is not immediately visible on the next frame then that's a bug. Looks to me like Frame does what it's supposed to, it checks if the sprite has changed and updates the nine-slice if so.

There was at one point a bug where it didn't update according to horizontal/vertical alignments, but that was resolved 3 weeks ago.

[lucid iron]

Ah that's probably it

At any rate I hope u r not annoyed with all my questions, I am look forward to the template update

[teal bridge]

Not annoyed at the questions, only annoyed at the mountain of documentation I know I'm going to have to write for general use.

I do guard against scope creep but that shouldn't be taken as annoyance. Those who've never used a framework like Angular, React or WPF may not "get it" right away and I expect that too (hopefully having a dozen examples will address that).

[lucid iron]

I'd be down to test + help write some examples

[teal bridge]

Cool. I think it is in the state now where those are going to make the biggest difference, essentially code-complete for beta. I was going to start the docs marathon tomorrow.

Every external contribution no matter how trivial is going to help with understanding what people want to do with it, and smoothing out any rough edges.

[lucid iron]

do i build the dev branch + the test mod and then put whatever examples in text mod?

[teal bridge]

If you're wanting to try something out, then sure. I had planned to put examples on GitHub wiki pages rather than directly in source.

They can go in source too, of course - just add more .sml files - but I want to have wiki pages where they can be annotated and explained.

(I'll make the wiki, of course - I'll be happy just to get an example in a ping or gist or whatever, any form is OK)

Alright, just checked in the single-brace update which is the last for the night. If you haven't already, check out the unit tests here: https://github.com/focustense/StardewUI/blob/dev/FrameworkTests/BindingTests.cs

It covers every valid binding syntax including quite a few that did not exist when I first brought this up around a week ago: repeaters, conditional nodes (if or switch/case), context redirects, and even event handlers (those were insanely hard to do).

[dusty scarab]

hm.... I think it might be a problem because the planters came from the spring_outdoors tilesheet, buuuuut... I kinda thought that they'd keep showing up, no matter the season. once Spring is over the planters at the top of my spouse patio vanish, but the invisible space remains impassible. anyone got any ideas for fixing it?

[ivory plume]

(Two beta updates:

• SMAPI 4.1.0-beta.4 updates for the latest beta changes, and adds parameter docs to event interfaces (so you can fully document your event handlers like /// <inheritdoc cref="IGameLoopEvents.SaveLoaded" />).
• Mod build package 4.3.0 lets you bundle content packs with your C# mod.
  )

[brave fable]

They'll be grouped with the main mod into a parent folder automatically
HO HO HO

[uncut viper]

it'll validate that the version numbers match for the content pack and the C# manifest too.... god bless

[velvet narwhal]

wait a parent fo-TIME TO GO CHECK

[brave fable]

all my dearest prayers answered 👼

[velvet narwhal]

[tender bloom]

it's all i've ever wanted

[vernal crest]

Have you confirmed that all the seasons actually have those tiles? There are some extremely irritating bits where only one season has anything and the rest are invisible or where all the seasons except winter have something there.

[dusty scarab]

they do not, sadly. which is why I thought the ones in the Spring tileset would carry over, because there was no other 'data' present to overwrite them

[calm nebula]

That's fucking hilarious

Do me a favor

Take maps/springobjects, copy that as a png, turn the whole thing bright pink, and then load to Maps/summerobjects

I will laugh so hard if this is the answer

[vernal crest]

I think the seasonal stuff works by replacing the tilesheet entirely, not overlaying like you can do with EditImage.

[calm nebula]

Oh wait yeah

Are those are on summer_outdoor

[dusty scarab]

awww bugger, I was afraid of that

[dusty scarab]

the second image is summer_outdoor, yes

[vernal crest]

You could make your own by doing an edit image of the other seasons with the spring tiles.

[brave fable]

yeah the seasonal tilesheets often just make some tiles transparent between seasons, it gives a variety in map layout and it's usually fine since the tiles are out of bounds

[vernal crest]

But if the grass is part of the tile it will look real weird

[brave fable]

you'll notice the same with some flowers and small rocks

[dusty scarab]

is it possible to place Big Craftables (BC) outdoors on a map? I could put seasonal plants in the planter's place, which might look nice

[calm nebula]

Why validate the version instead of writing it in?

[vernal crest]

I ended up with a bush inside a cliff because it was only on the summer tilesheet

[vernal crest]

Only by loading the tilesheet for it into maps or keeping it in your mod folder. There's no way to use vanilla tilesheets that are outside maps.

[dusty scarab]

darn

[vernal crest]

You see it with furniture in mods like sve or mine (if you could see mine lol). They have loaded the vanilla furniture.png into Maps in order to use it in their maps.

[ivory plume]

(I just didn't get around to implementing that for the initial version. I'll probably add that in later versions though, if someone doesn't submit a PR for it first.)

[calm nebula]

It's a great match for Khloemagic because that one generates the entire file

Manifesting manifest and all

[dusty scarab]

that stinks, lol. I don't want to need to have extra pngs in there, so I guess I gotta remove the offending tiles. aw well, them's just the breaks sometimes. thanks again for the help, it cleared up an idea that didn't work like I thought it did

[brittle pasture]

YES! YES! YES!

[calm nebula]

it only works without it due to a quirk of the parsing logic that's fixed in 1.6.9

0.O

[ivory plume]

That looks familiar, but I'm not sure what you're referring to?

[ivory plume]

Oh, no wonder that looks familiar; it's from a change in tonight's 1.6.9 beta patch.

[calm nebula]

ngl, add missed level up recipes is definitely a ?????? function

[dusty scarab]

there doesn't happen to be a changelog or patch notes for everything that's been changed/added so far, is there? if there is, I'd love to be able to read it

[ivory plume]

(That method has been rewritten in tonight's patch too.)

[calm nebula]

#making-mods-general message

[ivory plume]

Yep, the draft 1.6.9 release notes + 1.6.9 mod author migration guide. The release notes are about a week behind, but they should be comprehensive otherwise.

[dusty scarab]

thank you very much!

[velvet narwhal]

oh i didn't know the heart + location got fixed

[fiery cobalt]

Starting to think that the ability to add custom animals so easily is a little to much power for me

11 Barn Animals

and haven't started adding to the coop

[dusty scarab]

I wonder, is there ever a chance we could get a new Wizard building in vanilla, like the Golden Clock, except it's a scarecrow that covers the entire farm map? that might be cool

[brave fable]

a scarecrow as big as the clock would be jokes

[dusty scarab]

I would happily pay 10m for a scarecrow that covered my whole farm map, those birds are evil

[tender bloom]

It would need to be so tall

Like the Home Depot skeleton

[dusty scarab]

as tall as an obelisk, you say? XD

[velvet narwhal]

no don't do it, i already got scope creeped for this expansion don't open the damn decompile

[dusty scarab]

would it be possible to add such a building via CP, or would making an enormous scarecrow that functioned as a farm-wide scarecrow be entering C# territory? (I imagine it would likely involve setting the spawn rate for crows to 0 or something)

[velvet narwhal]

i think that's harmony crimes

[calm nebula]

@chrome mountain - 1.6 has a new attribute - "exclude from fishing collection". It...makes that fish not required for perfection. What behavior would you like?

[dusty scarab]

bugger

[calm nebula]

basically - do you want those excluded from aquarium entirely, excluded from the achievement

oh come on it's one fucking function in harmony it's not that bad

[velvet narwhal]

a postfix? i can probably do that

{
    foreach (string contextTag in base.GetContextTags())
    {
        if (contextTag.StartsWithIgnoreCase("crow_scare_radius_") && int.TryParse(contextTag.Substring("crow_scare_radius_".Length), out var radius))
        {
            return radius;
        }
    }
    if (this.Name.StartsWith("Deluxe"))
    {
        return 17;
    }
    return 9;
}```

[dusty scarab]

I've never even looked at Harmony before, and C# may as well be COBOL for how much of it I understand, lol XD

[uncut viper]

it seems like it can just be set by a context tag?

[calm nebula]

[HarmonyPatch(typeof(Farm), nameof(Farm.addCrows))]
private static bool Prefix(Farm __instance)
{
  return !__instance.buildings.Any(static building => building.buildingType.Value == "MyFancyBigScarecrow");
}

done

it's set by a context tag for objects

[ivory plume]

(If you made it a regular object like other scarecrows, you could do it entirely in a Content Patcher pack.)

[tender bloom]

in particular you CAN set scarecrow radius with CP

and if you set it to some massive number it should cover the whole farm

[dusty scarab]

oh. hm. and that just goes into the .dll? again, I've never written code before outside of, like, 1 semester of Java in college, and to be honest I did not learn anything from that professor (he was baaaaaad).

[calm nebula]

fun fact - this is how I learned java

friend of mine: "so, can you, like, teach AP java tomorrow morning?"

me: knows no java. "Sure!"

14 hours later...

[dusty scarab]

that was a heck of a cram session, lol

[vernal crest]

Oooh that solves my issue with not having space for scarecrows in my custom map. Map-wide scarecrow here we come.

[vernal crest]

See Atra things like this are why you overestimate how easily the rest of us can do this stuff

[velvet narwhal]

. <- my brain size

[dusty scarab]

no, you clearly have, as my German friend would say, a beeg, beeg brain

very creviced, lots of wrinkles, unlike us smoothbrains

[velvet narwhal]

builds this to see how it goes

[dusty scarab]

see, I'm one of those useless people that has ideas, but very little skill with which to implement them. you've got the skill to see the answers that I can't, which makes you awesome

[velvet narwhal]

aba has weaponized the newspaper

[dusty scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/boot-to-the-head-last-will-will-boot-boots-gif-17139591

[dusty scarab]

at least it's not a boot to the head?

(and now I need to go rewatch that, since I got it stuck into my head...)

[vernal crest]

Baps for putting yourself down!!!!

You can say you are lacking in skill. You can say something is a struggle for you. But I will not accept demeaning yourself!!! 🗞️ 🗞️ 🗞️

[brave fable]

haha small brain

[dusty scarab]

well, now I need to go make my mapwide scarecrow, though it will probably be via an item in Content Patcher instead of a Wizard Building, simply because I'm used to Content Patcher. not that I don't appreciate Atra writing the C# code for me, I absolutely do. I just have no idea what to actually do with it x.x

[velvet narwhal]

i still don't understand annotating and patchall but yknow, no red/green squigglies

[dusty scarab]

(even if Aba likely beats me to finishing it, haha)

[rancid temple]

Don't scarecrows have a scare distance on them?

[dusty scarab]

yeah but if that scare distance is 500 tiles...

[velvet narwhal]

atra made a building that literally says, "BEGONE"

[rancid temple]

I was gonna say 1000

[velvet narwhal]

so now i threw it into my harmony crimes mod

[rancid temple]

Even though you definitely shouldn't have a farm that big

[vernal crest]

Yeah me too I wouldn't know how to actually put that code in anything lol

[rancid temple]

Uh, pretty sure you aren't supposed to call PatchAll

[velvet narwhal]

oh ok

[rancid temple]

I believe that's used specifically for the annotation patching [] but that's also not technically the suggested way to do it because SMAPI can't fix your code if you do that

[vernal crest]

Also I haven't managed to get off my bed yet and am just chain-reading Ask A Manager stories so you can definitely beat me to it.

[velvet narwhal]

[rancid temple]

I didn't go up to see atra's anti-crow building but yeah prefixing adding crows is probably waaay better than making the scarecrow cover 500+ tiles lol

[vernal crest]

Nope I will have a many tile CP scarecrow and you can't stop me Roku!!

[rancid temple]

I'm sure it'll be fine :P 500 tiles is basically nothing

[vernal crest]

Atra's "it's so easy" way: #making-mods-general message

[rancid temple]

We're talking like millisecond differences

[velvet narwhal]

do i understand how this works? no, not really, but now i've been derailed to reading the decompile of buildingtype so i guess it's going into my chaos c# mod

[vernal crest]

When I feel brave enough I'm going to write my invisible NPC fix for UI Info Suite 2. That's as much C# as I can handle so far.

[dusty scarab]

I mean, it's a 500 tile radius, so... wouldn't that be 1000 tiles in diameter?

[ivory plume]

Setting the scarecrow radius will be faster than a Harmony patch (no matter how large you set the radius). All the game does is check if Vector2.Distance(scarecrowTile, crowTile) < radius.

[rancid temple]

Oh nice lmao

I assumed the worse and that it was iterating every tile

[dusty scarab]

and, just to make sure I'm gonna be looking at the right modding help guide, I want the one on the wiki that covers Big Craftables, right?

[haughty charm]

(not me imagining Aba's many-tiled Scarecrow as a

Totoro holding a giant umbrella over the farm)

Just don't block out the sun, ok?

[velvet narwhal]

it just creates an entire shadow over the farm in the shape of an umbrella

[vernal crest]

Probably. Just look around until you find scarecrow radius.

[haughty charm]

Or...better yet, um, shade-loving plants?

[vernal crest]

Maybe just search modding::scarecrow

Mine's going to be a little angry goose statue

[haughty charm]

[vernal crest]

I have the power to steal other people's shitpost ideas (soz Avi 😉)

[velvet narwhal]

selph already stole my idea
and made it better

[vernal crest]

We're a cutthroat, backstabbing sort of a place

[dusty scarab]

I am tempted to have my mega-scarecrow flipping the double bird, but somehow I do not think that would fly

[haughty charm]

Scarecrows don't fly in general, though, yeah?

[velvet narwhal]

me still trying to figure out how to make this cp-able

oh it's already cp-able

[rancid temple]

crow_scare_radius_<radius> is a context tag added in 1.5.5, took a minute to find

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Migrate_to_Stardew_Valley_1.5.5#Custom_scarecrows

[vernal crest]

Ugh Roku beat me

Using the wiki is so slow on mobile!!!!

[rancid temple]

You need a bed laptop

[vernal crest]

Yes Elizabeth already said this a while ago :p

I do have a bed laptop actually

But I wasn't anticipating a wiki search fight so I'm not using it right now

Race

[rancid temple]

Lol

[vernal crest]

Race is a better word for that

🥊🥊

[velvet narwhal]

See appended > I am hellbent

[rancid temple]

Those look more like Santa's gloves than boxing gloves lmao

[vernal crest]

Not hellbent on anything? Just hellbent in general?

[velvet narwhal]

I do want to see sekun make a building size scarecrow which is why I'm still adding atras harmony

[dusty scarab]

you'll likely win, I'm terrible at pixel art, I will spend days to make this look halfway decent XD

[vernal crest]

I had to make do with my poor frog's discord

[lucid iron]

what is the behavior if you build a gold clock on somewhere besides your farm

[velvet narwhal]

Always

[vernal crest]

I'm not intending to release mine so you should still go for it!

[dusty scarab]

I went over to trying to make a CP one since the building-size one would require Harmony, and even with Atra's code that does everything, I have no idea what to do with it to make it actually work... so I'm going with the format that I know

[vernal crest]

I mean even if I was going to release mine you should go for it anyway

But you won't have competition is what I'm saying

[velvet narwhal]

It would just be a standard cp building with an extra field > buildingtype

[dusty scarab]

fair enough. I'll release it when I am satisfied with the results, then!

[rancid temple]

I'm just gonna make a personal edit for all the scare/rarecrows lol

Not about that art life

[vernal crest]

I am torn between making myself get more art practice and not giving myself another project to avoid Hiria with

[dusty scarab]

ah, so just like my greenhouses, then? wonderful, I have a template for it to be building-sized!

but, one question that I ran into when I was doing my greenhouses. I can only have 3 items to build the building with before the UI can't take any more and any extras start falling off the boxes.

that was a dumb question, I can because the blessing statue requires 4

[velvet narwhal]

That's probably something in the overflow of the ui, which, I am not even remotely close to touching that

[lucid iron]

well it'll prob work despite the overflow

[dusty scarab]

yeah, it worked despite the overflow, but it made it so you couldn't see the name of the item and had to rely off its icon to see what it was, the name got hidden by the build/move/destroy/paint/etc options area

[lucid iron]

maybe you could try bigger craftables, its got an unofficial release for 1.6

then u can do it like normal scarecrow

[rancid temple]

Hey uh, if you have a mod that shows the scarecrow radius, don't make it 1000

[velvet narwhal]

Did it scream?

[rancid temple]

I'm getting 1 frame per minutes right now

Can't switch off the stupid thing

Can't believe it hasn't crashed

[vernal crest]

Oooh good to know

[velvet narwhal]

Maybe atra's harmony building is the play then

[vernal crest]

I hope you can turn scarecrow radius off in UI Info Suite

[velvet narwhal]

It's already built but I'm at the gym now

[rancid temple]

I use Range Highlight and was able to disable it, but I wonder how Data Layers will handle it lol

[dusty scarab]

oh no, what have I done? XD

[velvet narwhal]

We have learned a valuable lesson

[rancid temple]

It comes as a slight surprise to me actually that Data Layers also has a fit

500 is slightly better but still like unplayable freeze level of slow

[velvet narwhal]

Tbh that mod is too important so I don't think the object crow will be correct

[vernal crest]

I have lived thus far without Data Layers but now I've heard of it I want to use it

But I also want scarecrow

[rancid temple]

Yeah this is cursed lmao, even 50 is too much

[brave fable]

i rather thought it'd just have the mods show all tiles as protected rather than making them crash and burn lol

[vernal crest]

Let's all just make puppy dog eyes at Pathos

[brave fable]

here was me thinking this'd be a nice way to disable crows and have it reflected in whatever helper mods you had

[velvet narwhal]

I used up my monkey paw wish for modbuildconfig someone else has to

[rancid temple]

You know what, I think reloading this isn't working actually

I just dropped it to the default and it's still consuming the whole screen

[brittle pasture]

it may be because context tags are cached

[rancid temple]

Yeah, I think that's probably it

A title reload worked fine, so not the end of the world

For the safety sake, I'm gonna say 200 is pushing it

There's a considerable frame drop but it doesn't keep me from being able to get out of the situation

So if I haven't disabled showing the range I can switch off it lol

Without the range displayed, it's just fine

TBF, most farms shouldn't be bigger than 200

Especially not wide, since that's the broken direction

[velvet narwhal]

Four corners is 80x80

Just make it big red text "not optimal to see how far it works, Just Trust That It Does"

[rancid temple]

The building is still seeming like a superior choice since you don't need to see it's functioning zone to make sure you got your whole farm in it

[velvet narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/cake-lizzy-capri-dessert-flower-gif-21230598

[vernal crest]

For people who don't have extremely small crop areas, sure.

[rancid temple]

I've definitely made some bad choices and had an entire farm of crops before

[velvet narwhal]

Well they can just add the buildingtype and make it any size building

[vernal crest]

My crop space is 15x15

[rancid temple]

What's not to love about spending every single second of an entire day planting

[vernal crest]

I pause time on planting day

[rancid temple]

That's smart, this was before I was into modding lmao

Now I have sensible small plots and cheat whenever I feel like it

[velvet narwhal]

I can't play the game without cheating now that I've started creating mods

I've ruined myself

[rancid temple]

I was cheating before then, but I only have so much patience for video game fluff anymore

I love when VS decides it's going to use half of my available ram

[vernal crest]

The fact that there's stuff in migrate pages that isn't anywhere else in the wiki is sad

I hereby commit-ish to a campaign of moving migration info into other pages

(Disclaimer: I may abandon this campaign at any time up to and including before I have started. No results guaranteed.)

[rancid temple]

Yeah, I still haven't read the guide for moving stuff or the guide for the right way to format stuff, so larger changes I'm still avoiding

[vernal crest]

It is scary and intimidating.

[dusty scarab]

in my excitement to get this done, have I missed anything, or is everything filled out right and I'm ready to move on to my data/craftingrecipes section?

[rancid temple]

Drop the <> around the radius number

That's usually just an indicator that you replace everything there with your own thing

[vernal crest]

Don't forget to load your texture (or use InternalAssetKey if that's what we're doing now)

Bleh I hate using TargetField. I never remember how to do it.

[dusty scarab]

and that's faaaair, honestly I didn't even know that you could see the effective range with your scarecrows. I have a mod that just nukes them from my game, but always felt that it was a bit cheaty, thus why I wanted to do a mod that made a single scarecrow that would cover my whole farm (because scarecrows mess with the way I like to do my farms, so I prefer one that I can put somewhere and call it a day)

[velvet narwhal]

I am for my npcs and I'm gonna be a menace by annotating it in my faq if people wanna do portraits

[rancid temple]

Cruel but fair

[velvet narwhal]

"Shrimply use appearances"

[rancid temple]

TargetField is like a list of steps to get down to where you want to edit

[dusty scarab]

yes, that is in my content.json :D

[vernal crest]

You have to use a mod to see the range. It's not a vanilla thing.

[dusty scarab]

ah, okay

[vernal crest]

Yeah I know I just always have to check the documentation to use it because I can't write it from memory.

[rancid temple]

Oh yeah, I always check even if I think I remember lmao

[vernal crest]

All right time to see what I got wrong

[tender bloom]

maybe the radius triggers something quadratic

[velvet narwhal]

Circumference rationalizing? So then it has to iterate and panic?

[vernal crest]

Bother I have lost my phone

[tender bloom]

just call it 😛

(unhelpful)

[vernal crest]

I normally do! Well, kind of. I use my watch. But it doesn't work when it's on DND.

[tender bloom]

i've had to ring my own phone via find my a couple times in the past

I like to think I've gotten better but I'm probably deluding myself

[vernal crest]

I might have to ring my wife on discord to get her to ring my phone lol

[tender bloom]

I do perma-silence my phone which makes the phone calls hard mode

it still faintly buzzes but it's inaudible unless it's quiet

[vernal crest]

Waaa it wasn't even on DND

My watch thing just didn't work

My game crashed last time I played, SMAPI warns me. But I can't remember what made it crash so I can't stop it happening again.

Ohh that's right I tried loading my heavily modded save in my vanilla-ish setup

[tender bloom]

it should crash less in 1.6 trying that 🤔

idk what exactly would crash offhand

like pathos put in all this neat turn-missing-stuff-into-error-items code

[vernal crest]

Almost everything was an error item lol

I didn't bother actually looking at the errors because I knew I was courting disaster

But I can try it again if you want to know what the errors were

[ivory plume]

(I'll fix that in the next Data Layers update.)

[tender bloom]

If you do it by accident it would definitely be interesting to see

But this is pretty much just curiosity on my part

Most crashes I’ve triggered are draw loop unrecoverable errors or AVEs

[obtuse ivy]

helloooo! Im trying to make my NPC to show up to Flower Dance in her flower dance sprites but she only appears in her default spring sprite.. she wears the dress during the actual dance but i want it to appear during the set up too

[vernal crest]

I think it was a draw loop error

[obtuse ivy]

does anyone know how to ;w;

[velvet narwhal]

Gotta make the whole sheet have the flower dance sprite (or at least the face forward left and right and backwards)

[obtuse ivy]

A whole new sheet?

[rancid temple]

...I want the anti crow building to be like a feeding place for them, so they don't have to eat your crops

[tender bloom]

I almost suspect it would be one of your few mods incorrectly handling error items tbh

[vernal crest]

That's cute

[brave fable]

please stop reading my mod notes these are private

[tender bloom]

Maybe it’s a crow house

[vernal crest]

Darn it I can't see how far my scarecrow range goes because I can only see the range if I am holding another scarecrow

Time to get Data Layers

[tender bloom]

You trapped them and they live there now

[dusty scarab]

I think this is right? 500 Fiber, 200 Refined Quartz, 200 Hardwood, 25 Oak Resin (might change it to Pine Tar, don't know which would be more repellant), can be made at Home (not sure what this means, exactly, but the other two vanilla crafted scarecrows had it as their entry for this field, so I set the same), makes one Scariest-Crow, is true for being a Big Craftable, and currently has no unlock conditions (will be changing that later once my playtesting is done)

[vernal crest]

How are you doing your flower dance sprites right now if you don't have a separate spritesheet for them?

I don't know how to make an NPC only wear their festival outfit for the festival. Hiria currently wears hers the entire day.

[rancid temple]

Could you not use the appearance system for this?

[dusty scarab]

I might do two versions, one that's a birdfeeder building for crows, and one that's a crafted scarecrow that's an image of the Deluxe Scarecrow holding a duck from Duck Hunter recolored to look like a crow, the idea of the birdfeeder is adorable

[velvet narwhal]

Appearance system only yes

[obtuse ivy]

how do i do that?

[velvet narwhal]

Loading will make it be for the whole day

[vernal crest]

Me or them? I use the appearance system for it

And it is the whole day with my appearance setup

[rancid temple]

Do appearances use GSQ's?

[velvet narwhal]

shouldn't be

Yes

1 sec gotta dig for my git on mobile

[obtuse ivy]

does anyone have a sample ;w;

[rancid temple]

You should be able to set up conditions for it to only use it when they're in that location

[vernal crest]

I haven't checked how other people do it because I haven't decided which way I want it yet

[obtuse ivy]

i did look at the wiki- thought of using conditions but i had no clue how to actually type them in the codes lol

[vernal crest]

Right now mine is just checking the event rather than location

[velvet narwhal]

https://github.com/Aviroen/Custom-NPC-Edelweiss/blob/46c09260c5f35c7120ef8422404a5f5c44a88639/data/Outfits.json#L72

[rancid temple]

Honestly, people wearing their clothes all day makes more sense for the lore of "nobody is available today"

[velvet narwhal]

Mine specifically checks for event and it only shows during the festival so that's weird

[rancid temple]

(even though I hate not being able to access the town on an event day)

[vernal crest]

I figured I'd wait until I see/decide what her festival schedule is because if she's just hanging out at home, going to the festival, and then going to bed she'd be wearing it most of the day anyway.

[obtuse ivy]

ahhh okayy thank you so much guys 😭 😭 😭 😭 ill go and suffer to see if itll work!! 💪

[velvet narwhal]

I think lore wise edelweiss is just like "uh oh I've forgotten something important huh"

[vernal crest]

I do have her set to wear her festival outfit on the weekend too so maybe that's interfering? What day is spring 13?

[rancid temple]

Saturday

[vernal crest]

Oh that's it then haha

[rancid temple]

So yeah probably that

[vernal crest]

Loggy log log: https://smapi.io/log/1a7517b95f8841218a14faff78eb0c35

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.0.8 with SDV 1.6.8 build 24119 on Microsoft Windows 10 Home, with 6 C# mods and 0 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[rancid temple]

Damn, it's not Halloween day yet, this is too scary

[dusty scarab]

the big craftables spritesheet isn't the same as spring_objects, is it? or am I just blind?

[rancid temple]

Nope, it's TileSheets/Craftables

[dusty scarab]

thank you

[vernal crest]

Erm is it just me or has Pathos made the main file of Data Layers the 1.6.9 beta one now in addition to having an existing optional file for the beta?

[blissful panther]

Uh oh. Looks like it!

[vernal crest]

Is 1.17.2 the latest non-beta version?

[rancid temple]

I believe so

[vernal crest]

Ooh I just went to a new page to be shown the required mods rather than having a popup. Is that new or just weird?

[rancid temple]

That's odd, I don't have that

[blissful panther]

Like that kind of situation?

[ivory plume]

Fixed!

[vernal crest]

Yeah but without the fancy premium bit 😂

[blissful panther]

So you can do that by opening the download link in a new tab with a middle click. I assume maybe for some reason the JavaScript temporarily broke and it fell back to just going to it as a new page!

[vernal crest]

Huh. Must have because I definitely didn't middle click. Thanks for the explanation!

[blissful panther]

It is also a setting you can just turn on so it always goes to a new page.

[vernal crest]

Is that something the mod author does or that a user does in their own settings?

[blissful panther]

As far as I know a mod author can't make it do that...

[vernal crest]

I've never had it happen before and I haven't edited my settings.

Oh yeah it's in user settings and mine is turned on

[dusty scarab]

...stupid pixel art program won't open the big craftables because the file is too big, grumble grumble

[rancid temple]

Which program is that?

[dusty scarab]

Pixel Studio

wants me to upgrade to a paid version before it'll open anything larger than 1024x1024, and the Big Craftables is 128x1472

[rancid temple]

Ew

[dusty scarab]

agreed

[vernal crest]

Good thing there are plenty of free alternatives

[dusty scarab]

darn it, I tried opening my Big Craftables from 1.5, thinking it might be smaller, but it's 128x1152 XD

[blissful panther]

At this point, just grab LibreSprite!

[rancid temple]

Probably for the best to not use old files anyways

[dusty scarab]

yeah, but I figured I could grab a scarecrow off it to start using as a model for the art part

[rancid temple]

Wow this looks exactly like Aseprite lmao

Ah, I see, it's a fork

[vernal crest]

Ohh you didn't know that

[rancid temple]

Nope lmao

[vernal crest]

I was wondering what you were expecting it to look like haha

[rancid temple]

I hadn't heard of it before now

I'm always looking at the new suggested pixel art programs for suggesting to people when they ask

So far I'm not really a fan of anything outside of Aseprite, but this seems like a good contender :P

[vernal crest]

All right 30 does well and Data Layers has no issue with it

Piskel served me well when I was just starting with pixel art

[velvet narwhal]

I will always shill clip studio only because ease of access for me

[vernal crest]

I try not to recommend incredibly expensive software for people who are just starting out and don't know if they want to continue lol

[velvet narwhal]

Yeah valid, if someone wanted something highly specific (a paint tool sai successor) and they're deep in already is the only reason why I'd shill it

It lets me overlay whole folders

[rancid temple]

Oh yeah, I'm generally looking for things that are free and relatively intuitive to use

[vernal crest]

Whee that scarecrow adjustment was so easy

I love being able to make my own QOL mod

[uncut viper]

paint.net has never served me wrong for the few times ive needed to do pixely things. except for the time the other day where it crashed so hard it perma-locked a mutex or something and would not be able to startup again without rebooting my pc. but besides that—

[lucid iron]

I wonder if there's a way to coerce game into letting me build in instanced locations

[vernal crest]

I'd definitely recommend paint.net to other people too

I wish I could remember why I don't want to use it though haha

[lucid iron]

I was turn cave into pif room and rip ability to put a barn inside that

[uncut viper]

(i only use it bc i have the momentum of using it for like... 16 years now)

[rancid temple]

I tried paint.net for a little bit but it didn't feel like it was going to be good specifically for SDV pixel art

At least not without some plugins

[uncut viper]

i mean pixels is pixels at the end of the day innit

[vernal crest]

Layer groups is one thing, it appears

[velvet narwhal]

I did contemplate asprite for the animating but uh idk how it'd handle stardew movement

[lucid iron]

Well it just organize things by layer x frame

You can export as spritesheet in the end

[vernal crest]

Actually speaking of which does Aseprite do layer groups? Because if not I have wasted money

[lucid iron]

It does yes

[rancid temple]

I see it as an option in the Layers menu, though I have no idea what that is lol

[lucid iron]

I rmbr it being lil jank to use tho because moving layers require you to hold the border

Which is uh, not big area :u

[dusty scarab]

it's far from finished, but I realized that I couldn't fit the Duck Hunt Duck-turned-Stardew Crow in like I wanted, so I decided to incorporate your suggestion instead. as an outline, what do you think? it's got a big bowl of corn to share with the crows!

[vernal crest]

That is cute

[rancid temple]

Very cute

[uncut viper]

i also agree with the cuteness
(dont forget about #making-mods-art though)

[dusty scarab]

I know, I won't ._. just seemed easier to ping him here off of his message

[vernal crest]

Is there a monster counter somewhere on the screen when you do the AG initiation quest?

[rancid temple]

Isn't it a quest?

[vernal crest]

Yes that is why I used the word quest?

[rancid temple]

I don't think there's counters on screen for quests in vanilla

The journal I think flashes or something whenever you make progress on a quest though

[lucid iron]

1.6 do those quest notifs

5/10

[rancid temple]

Oh, hm, trying to remember if I ever noticed that lmao

[lucid iron]

Assuming it's a normal slay monster quest

[rancid temple]

It's a story quest

[lucid iron]

Yeah then maybe not

Hm right I remembered now

It's only for help wanted quests

and special orders if you install me mod

[vernal crest]

Okay so my user's problem might be that they are expecting something to happen that is not actually meant to happen

[rancid temple]

Sounds right

[uncut viper]

thats a classic one

[vernal crest]

I'm going to double check just in case

[velvet narwhal]

The urge to add a customfield to have crows sit on the "anti crow" building

[rancid temple]

Make crows sit on it and have it drop random shinies sometimes

Is this something you're planning on releasing?

[velvet narwhal]

Oh I'm putting the building thing atra made out already

[lucid iron]

What if ornithologist guild integration

[velvet narwhal]

The other parts are for me to play with

[rancid temple]

So random birds?

[velvet narwhal]

i would just take bird critter

[lucid iron]

Make building have effects of bird feeder

I think u might be able to steal the outputmethod from OG to do such a thing

[velvet narwhal]

oh

and sorry, this is only gonna work in 1.6.9 because i'm too lazy to fix my postfix

LMAO

[vernal crest]

No monster counter

[rancid temple]

Good to know I'm only slightly insane

[vernal crest]

And also it is so hard to control the sword in combat without the mouse direction mod!!

[velvet narwhal]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/28364 there you go, i'm adding it into the desc now but it's just the "BuildingType": "Aviroen.AtraAntiCrow"

my own embed gets me every damn time

[vernal crest]

I never have any idea how people manage to play this game in vanilla

[velvet narwhal]

i still can't tell if i need the annotation and the entry for my harmony stuff but i just await until i get yelled at for it

[lucid iron]

You do need PatchAll for annotations

[uncut viper]

you call PatchAll if you use annotations, you use the Patch methods if you dont use annotations

[velvet narwhal]

i might've been doing my annotations wrong cause patchall without the patch methods weren't going through

[lucid iron]

I am do manual Patch gang

[velvet narwhal]

yeets the annotations then

[lucid iron]

Mostly bc I want related patches to all live on 1 class,

And bc I find the syntax more explicit about what it do

[uncut viper]

manual patching is also needed if you plan on creating patches with a dynamic method factory for patches that you dont know the signature of beforehand

thats something people do often probably

[lucid iron]

I don't think the functionality reason to avoid annotation is a thing atm, since all pc platform use the same dll name now

Maybe if mobile modding alive again

[velvet narwhal]

i just kinda wish vs22 didn't hate the whitespace of harmony.patch

NO DON'T USE THE MONKEY PAW FOR THAT

[uncut viper]

i thought smapi rewriters couldnt properly detect the annotations or something

or couldnt change them or w/e

[vernal crest]

Avi the point of a monkey paw is that nobody should use it at all. ever.

[lucid iron]

Well that one is not issue if u just update your mod as needed

[uncut viper]

moving the goalposts smh /lh

[lucid iron]

Harmony fragile by nature after all

[uncut viper]

if you really wanted to future proof your patches you could just scan the entire stardew assembly and check the IL of every method you find until you find one that has the specific subset of instructions you wanna change

then as long as the function isnt COMPLETELY gutted you've got a chance!

[velvet narwhal]

nope, i looked at il once and my brain got set on fire

[lucid iron]

harmony.Patch(
    original: AccessTools.Method(typeof(Building), nameof(Building.OnUseHumanDoor)),
    postfix: new HarmonyMethod(typeof(BuildingEntry), nameof(Building_OnUseHumanDoor_Postfix)
);

Are you do something like this with the args

Does VS22 not like it

[velvet narwhal]

it hates it

[uncut viper]

you didnt capitalize the H in Harmony

[lucid iron]

Why did u put the indent all the way back

And yea I happened to use lower case

[uncut viper]

its also missing a )

[lucid iron]

You are do what I imagine tho

[velvet narwhal]

i manually whitespace it

[lucid iron]

VS just telling u to fold lines that are too long probably

[rancid temple]

Aside from the rewriting issue, because honestly if I can avoid updating a mod for a bit I will, I also just couldn't get annotations to work for me

[iron ridge]

You also probably need BuildingEntry before the prefix name - assuming that method is in there

[rancid temple]

It seems to have an issue with the type BuildingEntry

[uncut viper]

(im guessin you and avi probably both just needed to put your patches in their own class? thats about the only reason i can think of that they woud just silently not work. idk if you can put the patch class annotation on your modentry class i feel like the answer is no but i couldnt tell you a reason why not)

[lucid iron]

I was just giving example of formatting

[rancid temple]

I was literally copying someone else's annotation patches to try to get mine to work, but I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong

[lucid iron]

Not actually giving code for aviroen to put in mod

[velvet narwhal]

yeah chu just wanted to see my hell of whitespace

oh in their own class, huh, maybe

[rancid temple]

I was also not that invested in actually making it work since I think I prefer the manual patching as is

Just one of those "I would like to know how to make it work" kind of things

[uncut viper]

they just need to be in A class that has the [HarmonyPatch] annotation and im just assuming that cant be your modentry, but you dont need to put every function in a different class

[velvet narwhal]

i'll test that out since mine are all separated by what they are

[HarmonyPatch(typeof(Farm), nameof(Farm.addCrows))]
public class Prefixes
{
    public static Harmony PrefixesHarmony { get; set; } = null!;
    public static bool IsInitialized;

    public static void Initialize(IManifest manifest)
    {
        IsInitialized = true;
        PrefixesHarmony = new Harmony($"{manifest.UniqueID}_Prefixes");
    }
    internal static bool Scarecrow(Farm __instance)
    {
        return !__instance.buildings.Any(static building => building.buildingType.Value == "Aviroen.AtraAntiCrow");
    }
}```

didn't do it for me, and yeah i added the Harmony.PatchAll(); to my modentry

[uncut viper]

well first i wanna ask why you're creating an e ntirely new harmony instance f or just prefixes

second you're telling it that this class is for patching Farm.addCrows but it doesnt know how/which of your methods to patch with

you can either use other annotations to say that e.g. Scarecrow is a postfix with the [HarmonyPostfix] annotation above it, or you can just rename the Scarecrow method to Postfix and it'll figure it out

i also dont know if them being internal is a problem or not. the harmony docs say public or private but idk if internal counts

[velvet narwhal]

oh internal was because of the modentry method

atra set it to private but it was screaming at me about access

[uncut viper]

you should just entirely remove your initialize method and the two fields and just rename Scarecrow to Prefix

[velvet narwhal]

but what happens if i wanna add more chaos to this

[uncut viper]

https://harmony.pardeike.net/articles/annotations.html

[velvet narwhal]

also i kinda assumed smapi won't rewrite harmony patches cause it's just "you're on your own champ" so i did really want to get annotations to work cause the whitespace was killing the man

[uncut viper]

as far as i know smapi will rewrite manual patches if it can

and needs to

[rancid temple]

I'm still not sure I understand what issue with whitespace you're referring to

[velvet narwhal]

oh every time i do the method harmony patching it wants to go to the left edge

[rancid temple]

Oh like it's not doing your indents

[velvet narwhal]

yeah

[rancid temple]

I've messed with the defaults for most of my indenting and format, so I'm not sure if that's normal behavior

[velvet narwhal]

annotation reading is for a me that isn't exhausted from picking rock up (weakly) and putting rock back down

[rancid temple]

Hm, this building type thing needs serializing according to the wiki anyways

[velvet narwhal]

does it?

ig i can just make a tester building real quick

[rancid temple]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Blueprint_data#Advanced

[velvet narwhal]

it didn't scream at me about serializing

[rancid temple]

It won't until you try to save the game

Everything reliant on serialization is fine until the moment of serialization lol

[velvet narwhal]

If you need custom behavior, consider handling it in C# based on the building type instead of creating a custom subclass; otherwise you'll need a framework mod like SpaceCore to handle serialization and multiplayer sync.
so i'd have to build the building then save, yeah?

[rancid temple]

Yeah probably, doubt it bothers saving if something isn't present

[velvet narwhal]

it's just a prefix not a... custom subclass? idk

time to throw together a building rq

[rancid temple]

It's a prefix looking for a specific building type

You could always set the type to something vanilla in the prefix and repurpose a vanilla building

[velvet narwhal]

yeah that's what i planned to do

i just had to steal one of my cp mods real quick

oh vanilla in the prefix

nvm lemme do that

[rancid temple]

If you set and use a vanilla type, you don't have to mess with serialization

Otherwise, I guess you would have to make your own building type in order to make use of it in building data

[velvet narwhal]

i think that was the original plan of it? atra left it as a string to which i assumed i just assign it using cp

[uncut viper]

the field BuildingType takes a string but that string is used to determine what C# class is used for that building

[rancid temple]

buildingType is a netstring

[uncut viper]

you can assign it that string just fine. just wont do anything if theres not a class it corresponds to

except break

[dusty scarab]

speaking of strings, it's not liking a string here... or do I need to have my EditData for Crafting Recipes in a seperate .json all on its own?

[uncut viper]

craftingrecipes is just a string to string dictionary

not string to object dictionaries

so it would just be the line with MapwideScarecrow

[vernal crest]

Like this (example pulled from VMV but I cut out the other lines so it's easier to see what just one looks like)

    {
      "LogName": "CraftingRecipes",
      "Action": "EditData",
      "Target": "Data/CraftingRecipes",
      "Entries": {
        "Lumisteria.MtVapius_CandyMaker": "Lumisteria.MtVapius_Treasures_BrokenWatch 1 334 2 82 1/Home/Lumisteria.MtVapius_CandyMaker/true/null/{{i18n: MtVapiusCandyMaker_Translated}}",
      }
    },

[dusty scarab]

so I don't need the RiftstalkerSekun.MapwideScarecrow_MapwideScarecrow, I just need RiftstalkerSekun.MapwideScarecrowMapwideScarecrow?

[unique sigil]

i havent been in this channel for a while and did i just see sekundes making a scarecrow with an atrociously huge effect radius

[vernal crest]

And me, and Rokugin, and Avi lol

[rancid temple]

Yeah, it's been the subject for a minute now lol

[vernal crest]

Though Roku and I both went the lazy route

[rancid temple]

If you have Range Highlight, I suggest don't

[unique sigil]

i await for this monstrosity to be released

[dusty scarab]

uhm.... I plead the 5th >.>

[velvet narwhal]

i am now convinced atra's "quick prefix" would've imploded my game

[rancid temple]

I mean, it would have cried, but otherwise been fine-ish

[velvet narwhal]

it is technically sekun's fault for wanting an all-encompassing scarecrow

[vernal crest]

No you should still give it the unique name

[rancid temple]

Your Name on your scarecrow should be the same as the entry key

[velvet narwhal]

back to the drawing board for this scarecrow building then

[unique sigil]

anyways - tilesheet update - the recolors are all done, but the code hates me. i think ill redo it,, again,,

[rancid temple]

And the key you use in the CraftingRecipes should be that same Name

[unique sigil]

... it's going to be building sized?

[vernal crest]

By "name" I mean the entry key, not the display name. The stuff Roku is saying better than me.

[rancid temple]

Avi is making a building that just blocks crow spawns entirely

[velvet narwhal]

i'm making a building type hopefully, that just blocks them all out, so you can just make it in cp and set the type and go

[rancid temple]

Honestly, I might try this just to do some SpaceCore serialization, I haven't done any yet

[velvet narwhal]

cause uh, data layers screamed at the 500 tile

[rancid temple]

Pathos said he'll fix that in the next update, so that won't be an issue

[vernal crest]

I can't see any reason you'd need to have 500 tile anyway

[rancid temple]

But uh, anything else that shows range is going to freak out

[vernal crest]

Who's making a map that big?

[dusty scarab]

I was originally going to go with a building, but decided to try an actual scarecrow object first because buildings can only have 3 building ingredients and I wanted, like 4 or 5 items to craft my Corncrow since I intend it to be along the lines of the blessing statue to make

[velvet narwhal]

isn't there another tile-viewer mod?

[rancid temple]

I mean, it wasn't a real map, but I did make that atrocity that was 200x2000

[vernal crest]

Okay who's making a real map that big? :P

[rancid temple]

Range Highlight is the other one I use

[vernal crest]

I used 30 and it covered most of the standard farm

[rancid temple]

Even if someone wanted a farm that was 200x200 I would suggest not doing that because it would take an eternity to cross every time lmao

[velvet narwhal]

clearly i'm trying to distract myself from thinking about this because i'm trying to see if i can finagle this into the customfields of buildings

[vernal crest]

35 would cover all of it, I am pretty sure

Oh, maybe not vertically

[rancid temple]

You could put it into a custom field or a mod data, just gotta check for it in the prefix

[vernal crest]

Oh it's shorter than it is wide

[rancid temple]

Specifically I guess you need to iterate every building in the farm map and check for whatever you're using

[vernal crest]

So yes 35 would be enough I think

[velvet narwhal]

i gotta remove the buildingtype-yeah

that or, set the string to then activate the crow-scarer

would building.GetData().CustomFields.TryGetValue("MyBS, out string? customString)) work again? i test this

[dusty scarab]

I like how we're all coming together over our combined hatred of these thieving, feathered assholes. they're worse than seagulls! (unless you have that one mod installed that makes seagulls steal your food out of your inventory at the beach, then the seagulls are just as bad as the crows)

[velvet narwhal]

i love crows so this is just a slow step for me to have a crow feeder tbh

[dusty scarab]

fair enough. and it will count how many crows its fed over its lifetime!

[rancid temple]

Oh lol, yeah I like crows just not this mechanic

[dusty scarab]

in real life, I too like crows, just not Stardew crows XD

[velvet narwhal]

[rancid temple]

?

CustomFields also aren't multiplayer synced

[velvet narwhal]

i think customfields is also seri- oh ok

[rancid temple]

They're saved but not synced

Mod data is both

Though not available on all things from CP

[velvet narwhal]

well i named my mod customfield chaos so it's going into customfields

[dusty scarab]

hm... it's still saying it doesn't like the strings in here. everything has the same Name, so this should be working, right?

[rancid temple]

You're still doing crafting recipes wrong

[vernal crest]

No, you're still writing it wrong. See how in the example I gave, there's only one key and there's no curly braces after it? #making-mods-general message

The way you have

"SekunslongnameI'mnotcopying": {
"SekungslongnameI'mnotcopying": "Bla bla bla"
}

should be

"SekunslongnameI'mnotcopying": "Bla bla bla"

By having the second key inside the curly braces after the first key, you're trying to make it an object when the game is expecting a string.

[dusty scarab]

ooooooooh

so like this, then. because I was trying to nest a key inside of a key, and the game doesn't like that

[rancid temple]

You were trying to enter a model into a dictionary of string, string

[vernal crest]

Yes that's better. It's not that the game doesn't like your original approach ever, it's just that's not how this asset is structured.

[dusty scarab]

that would explain why, then. I was using my crop mod as a model, and that was nothing but adding objects. so what I was using as my guide was fundamentally just not gonna work for this

[vernal crest]

Yes it's always a good idea when you're doing something new that you try to find an example of a mod doing the same thing (if you're like us and need the example - not everyone does).

[rancid temple]

There are a few of these string, string dictionaries left, always gotta verify what you're working on

[uncut viper]

always keep the unpack handy

[velvet narwhal]

you can tell when you open up their original unpacked states if you need to use object format vs string format, if there's only one set of { } and it's all keys, that's string-> string
if you see things broken up by "ID": { information + keys } that's an object

does that make sense to me in c# land? no, not one bit

[vernal crest]

I personally didn't find the unpack alone useful enough for showing me how to write the CP part for it, but now that I understand better about the different formats (dictionaries? structures?) it's easier for me to tell just based on the unpacked data.

[velvet narwhal]

yeah the model vs string thing i didn't even understand until like, a few weeks ago

[rancid temple]

And then there's the fun of FishPondData, which I think is a list of models?

[dusty scarab]

well it loads without angry errors now, but won't load my asset for the corncrow. but, it loads without SMAPI or CP being mad at me, so that's one step in the right direction!

[rancid temple]

But lists and dictionaries are edited the same way

[velvet narwhal]

yeah this customfield is for a me that can parse these red squigglies

aka tomorrow's me, probably

[uncut viper]

AdditionalLanguages is also a list of models. probably matters a lot less to most people tho

[velvet narwhal]

...

additionallanguages is empty for me

[chrome mountain]

The aquarium only adds 1 fish. So just leave it in for perfection, it’s easy enough to get. Maybe add a config to let people exclude it? Heard some people had trouble catching it on MP

[velvet narwhal]

i await this 1.6 release if it got elizabeth's gold stamp and atra to actually work on a mod

[chrome mountain]

I don't know what this means, but I'm excited

[dusty scarab]

is there a special load action I need to do in order to have the icon load in the crafting menu? my scarecrow loads on the map itself, but I still see the error item when I go to my crafting menu

[rancid temple]

Crafting recipes work by tying themselves to the items their key links to, usually there's an issue with the names not quite matching if you get error items showing up in places

[dusty scarab]

hmm

[rancid temple]

What's Corncrow?

[vernal crest]

There's a mismatch between your recipe yield and your item

[unique sigil]

right guys i need help. seasonals for my tilesheet isnt working, despite me following the format of other tilesheets
i'm using dynamic tokens here to adjust automatically according to the recolors

[vernal crest]

It should be your big long name, not just "Corncrow"

[dusty scarab]

my mapwide scarecrow that bribes the crows to not eat the crops by offering corn

[vernal crest]

You've used the display name instead of the item id

So the game doesn't know what you're making with your recipe

[dusty scarab]

ohhhh

[vernal crest]

Is the problem that your tilesheets aren't changing with the seasons? I think the season name has to come first for that to work.

[rancid temple]

Are you trying to get automatic season switching?

Yeah it does

[unique sigil]

oh damn that matters?? i have no idea about that

[vernal crest]

So changing to "spring_CR_outdoor" etc should hopefully work

[rancid temple]

Also seasonal switching only happens in outdoor locations

[unique sigil]

the funny thing is that it worked when i used load only on the spring variant then use EditImage to change it according to the season tokens, but that makes me unable to apply any changes to the tilesheet itself mid-save

didnt know the problem was the filename

right i'll try that out

[vernal crest]

Yeah it would work that first way because that's relying on the CP season token rather than the game's in-built code for seasonal tilesheets.

You also could use the CP way by loading your tilesheet with the season token in the first place

"Action": "Load",
"Target": "Maps/CR_outdoor",
"FromFile": "assets/{{recolor}}/CR_{{season}}_outdoor.png"

[unique sigil]

..right i'll try the name change way because im concerned of breaking more stuff

at least the better water tokens are working

[dusty scarab]

....I realized that I am an idiot. when testing a scarecrow mod, take your mod that already removes crows out of your modpack first, you maroon

'let's see how many crows my scarecrow's chased away over these last 10 days!'
"I haven't encountered any crows yet!"
'...wait a minute...'

is there a flag that needs to be set in order to pick up a Big Craftable when you've used a tool to remove it from being placed?

because I hit my scarecrow with an axe to move it and it just poofed away

[rancid temple]

Set Fragility to 0

Setting it to 1 makes it destroyed on tool use

Or at least, on axe, hoe, or pickaxe use, other tools can pick it up so I guess... scythe?

[dusty scarab]

ahhh, I thought that 1 meant it needed to be axed/pickaxed/whatever in order to pick it up. okay, I understood that flag wrong, thank you!

[unique sigil]

right, this method works. but what does this mean?

i havent done this myself so i wouldn't know, but is it a custom tilesheet thing where it's not possible to change recolors mid-save?

[finite ginkgo]

I'm not sure what exactly that means, but it's not timesheet specific, I've also seen that pop up for portraits but I haven't noticed anything special about assets that say that

[vernal crest]

Did you test your changed content in the same save as before?

[finite ginkgo]

(current theory I made up on the spot, are you using the season token and leaving your save? Could be that because there's obviously no season in the main menu, the patch becomes invalid and the asset unloads)

[unique sigil]

yep, i was wondering if you could change the recolors in the same save while in gameplay (as in changing the tilesheet config while not in the main menu)

[vernal crest]

Because it usually means that you've made a change so that something that got loaded before still exists in its old name.

You will need to quit the game and hop back in and that warning should go away.

[unique sigil]

bc if you cant i need to mention that you need to set up the tilesheet config from the main menu before loading the save in the release page

[vernal crest]

Did the warning pop up after you did a patch reload?

[unique sigil]

after i changed the config and before going to sleep

i was wondering that bc i can apply the better water colors instantly haha

currently the content.json looks like this

[vernal crest]

Hmm. I usually get it after I load something called "imageA" and then I change what it's called so I change the code to load "imageB" instead and patch reload. SMAPI goes to reload "imageA" but it's not there anymore so it just goes "oh well" and then there are two copies of the asset, one for each name. But when I restart the game it goes back to only having one copy of the asset called "imageB".

[unique sigil]

i quit to the main menu, changed the config, and tried to load the save (which is currently in fall 2 as i was testing the seasonals) and now the map won't load at all

[vernal crest]

Is your "recolor" token a config token or a dynamic token?

[unique sigil]

dynamic one. i was following the example in daisyniko's tilesheets

the betterwater tokens are also dynamic tokens

[dusty scarab]

hooray, I got the 'I scared off crows!' message on my Corncrow! (okay, CornCrow should be feeding crows, not scaring them, but I can't change that message so I'll take what I can get!)

[unique sigil]

wait hold on lemme take another look

[vernal crest]

You can change it if you wantto actually.

[dusty scarab]

...I now have an overwhelming desire to undo my previous scarecrow and instead make it look like the Corn Servant

[unique sigil]

alright ignore the part where my map isnt loading. i did a stupid and forgot there was a HasMod condition for the earthy option lol

[dusty scarab]

ooooh, with CP? how do I do that? will it change it for all the scarecrows?

[uncut viper]

(it'd overwrite it for the normal scarecrows too though )

[dusty scarab]

awwwww darn

[uncut viper]

but in general yes you can edit most strings in the game

[vernal crest]

Yeah like Button said it would do it for all of them unfortunately.

[vernal crest]

Just so I am following: you're trying to change the config settings so the recolour is VPR green instead of VPR orange and it's not swapping over? And you're testing it while in fall?

[unique sigil]

errrr actually, nevermind my question. i am sleep deprived and not in any condition to do modding work /lh

problem's solved lol

[vernal crest]

Oh haha what was the issue?

[unique sigil]

i was trying to change the recolor option to earthy when the dynamic recolor token for earthy has the "HasMod" condition for daisyniko's earthy recolor. which i do not have.

changed it back and forth to vanilla and VPR orange and VPR green + all 4 better water options, theyre good

the tilesheets are ready for upload (at last) but i have to make some graphics for the media tab first

damn i fr got sidetracked. that PIF extra floor is never getting finished at this rate

[timber plover]

hi folks
..has someone done music with content patcher yet?
..i need to do something so people can play halloween feeling music again 🫠 .
.an examble code would be great so i can just start recoding it ^^

[brave fable]

[Modding:Audio] comes with detailed info on adding to the AudioChanges asset, including music overrides

or [[Modding:Audio]]

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Audio

[timber plover]

yeah i know ^^
was just wondering if someone has a code ready for like "replacing maintheme" or something
so i can just straight get to work without thinking ^^ would just be faster for me
but thank you^^

[frozen field]

hi friends! I wanted to ask (or maybe there's a resource elsewhere):

If there was an extension for VS Code that would be a helper for making Stardew mods, what sort of stuff would you like to see in it?

[calm nebula]

Oh, I meant for other fish that set the flag!

I actually did fix the multiplayer thing for pufferchick

And yeah, let's have pufferchick wear hats

That would be cute

[spice inlet]

how about live CP syntax validation,

[rancid temple]

Isn't that already what schema does?

[chrome mountain]

oh you mean for the aquarium completion? I would just include all fish for that. Not sure I understand the question still

[calm nebula]

There is a new flag that allowed excluding fish from perfection

I figured it would also make sense for those fish to be excluded from aquarium's achievement

[calm nebula]

Lol

https://github.com/atravita-mods/StardewMods/blob/2017c2ce5f804d706db34f9a5cbdf00e3c7c4fe1/MuseumRewardsIn/MuseumRewardsIn/ModEntry.cs#L25

[frozen field]

that would be a fun project for me to try!

[solemn roost]

Just passing by, big thanks to Atra and whoever else is helping us out with resuscitating Stardew Aquarium's code! (I myself cannot code, so you're doing god's work)
I love this community and am glad that the mod will eventually come back to the public

[frozen elm]

@woeful lintel Sorry to bother you again but I have run into a problem using variants. So when using layers I need to use "Icon Rect" to get the furniture displayed correctly in shops etc. But when I add several variants (using the "source rect offset" method the offset isn't applied to the "Icon rect", meaning that I have a bunch of furniture items which all look the same in shop and inventory, and only when I place them I can see which ones they actually are. The documentation says "Icon rect" is affected by variants so I figured it would work automatically (like it does in layers), but maybe I need to specify something to get it to work?

[woeful lintel]

Whoops, that's my bad, I just forgot to apply the rect offset to the icon rect, it'll be fixed in the next update...

[timber plover]

got it my music replacing working Q-Q...
now of to the houndred of tracks that needs to be replaced 😄

[calm nebula]

It's a bit tricky, iirc. But buildingtype on building is the string id

[timber plover]

🫠

[woeful lintel]

it does, but EditData can have anything in it since the game's data files aren't included in the schema

[frozen elm]

ah ok great, I'll wait then 🙂

[woeful lintel]

is there any ETA on 1.6.9?

[calm nebula]

Fixed in 1.6.9

Nov 4th

[vernal crest]

Oh that was in reply to me lol

I didn't even look at my log to see what the error was xD

[tiny zealot]

finally seeing my favorite food Smoked Error Item getting the rep it deserves in SDV

[vernal crest]

Good to know if it ever does pop up for me as a problem though, thanks Atra :)

[woeful lintel]

Another question: is it possible to escape the token marker when patching data with CP? I also have some "tokens" in FF, should I replace {{}} with something else to avoid CP trying to find a token that only exists in FF?

[calm nebula]

(Thank Pathos, I'm just doing a little bit of fixing etc. Pathos is the one who is gonna do long term caretaking and also ask questions about a PR that has now hit a thousand lines)

[calm nebula]

Just use something else tbh

[woeful lintel]

just gonna add this to the list of breaking changes then

[frozen field]

if I do make a helper extension for modding, anyone want to try it?

[vernal crest]

I would, yeah.

[lucid iron]

there's a vsc extension stardew syntax

for cp mod syntax highlighting

[frozen field]

ooh there is??

I just looked it up and found it's targeted for dialogues and events. I was hoping to make one for things like adding new items, etc

translation files too

[fossil osprey]

You mean an extension adding some boilerplates and templates? That could be cool

[frozen field]

anything really! I'll take whatever suggestions! whatever is useful to y'all, plus whatever I've found useful when I've tweaked some mods I've downloaded (for typos, translation strings not showing, etc)

I've only done enterprise/corporate projects before but I really want to try my hand at something open source and public

[fossil osprey]

From my experience boilerplates are what's most useful for beginners, and most convenient for advanced users, so that + completions would be absolutely awesome

[frozen field]

good to note! I don't remember the exact name for this feature, but essentially, checking that you have matching tokens between files. For example, if you used "animal_fur" in one file, but in your i18n you put "animal_down", it would flag that, since then the translation string won't show correctly ingame

(time to learn JavaScript I guess lol)

[fossil osprey]

Oh yeah, I don't know the exact name but there are a bunch of extensions like that where it recognises your CSS classes and auto complete on your HTLM, super useful

[frozen field]

I've only ever been a desktop/.NET developer, so this would be a fun learning project

but...I guess that means I could help others with their C# stuff in their mods?

[fossil osprey]

Most certainly yes

[frozen field]

is there a way I can "advertise" myself to help out?

[vernal crest]

!comms

[ocean sail]

If you're looking for people who do mod commissions (either art or code), here's a wiki page with a non-comprehensive list of people who do them: https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Stardew_Mod_Commissions

To use this command, type !comms.

[vernal crest]

You can also lurk in here a bunch and jump on stuff when people start talking about features the content modders want but can't implement alone lol

[frozen field]

gotcha, would I edit the wiki and add myself?

[vernal crest]

Yup

[frozen field]

I won't do it just yet till I read up on the frameworks

[lost hull]

beginner modder here, i really like the idea of having a mod-ideas page on github
i usually struggle with even thinking of something to mod so that really helps

[frozen field]

does that wiki also have the resources about the c# coding aspect?

[frozen field]

I thought I saw this on the Stardew forums website? maybe?

[lost hull]

the page already exists, just wanted to say thanks

it's in this channel's pins

[lucid iron]

!startmodding

[ocean sail]

Making mods can be broadly divided into two categories:

• Content packs are formatted text files, and don't need any programming knowledge. They can add/edit NPCs, maps, new items, shops, and more. To get started, see the list of framework mods, the wiki tutorial for Content Patcher, and there might be relevant guides on the tutorial wiki.
• C# mods use programming code to change fundamental game mechanics. See getting started with C# modding.

Usually it’s easier to start with making content packs, since you don't need to learn programming.

To use this command, type !startmodding.

[lucid iron]

there's also a harmony guide somewhere on modding wiki

https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Harmony_Patching

[frozen field]

awesome, thanks!! doubtful I'll make my own mods (I am a terrible artist and I tried Tiled and failed miserably), but I'll definitely learn the c# side to help out! and learn js/ts to make an extension

[calm nebula]

Another fun thing to do is to take a broken mod and fix it 😛

!compat has a list

[ocean sail]

See https://smapi.io/mods for a searchable list of mods updated for the latest versions of SMAPI and Stardew Valley, with links to download them. :)

To use this command, type !compat.

[lucid iron]

i nominate growable giant crops

[calm nebula]

Please don't toss the newbies at my insanity

[patent lance]

@astral prism: try this (15h ago)

[brisk kraken]

Hello, im trying to understand how to properly add custom music to stardew valley for a mod. I know how to use vanilla music anywhere, but I think that the act of adding new music is a bit more complicated?

[woeful lintel]

I had someone ask me for help to make an in-game map editor, maybe you can look into it if you're used to C#

It was sexynes on Nexus asking me to help updating DMT (Dynamic Map Tiles)

[vernal crest]

You mean asking for help updating this version? https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/21084

[woeful lintel]

Hop, seems like it was taken care of then

[vernal crest]

I'm confused because sexynes has commented on this one so I would assume they're aware it exists lol. Were they asking you ages ago?

[woeful lintel]

Yup, it was in early summer

[vernal crest]

That's...still after April I think so maybe DMT Continued doesn't work.

[brittle pasture]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Audio

you basically register a new song with a new ID and then use that ID where the game asks for one

[vernal crest]

Drat, I just downloaded it

[frigid hollow]

where the heck are the incubator and feed hopper sprites at

[calm nebula]

Tilesheets/craftables

[woeful lintel]

Is there any tool that works as a map painter? That takes tile connections into account (grass/dirt/water connexions)?

[brisk kraken]

Yes im in that wiki, but where do I register that new song? In content.json or in c#?

[tender bloom]

I think Tiled has the capability to do this but the setup is finicky

[brittle pasture]

content.json
there's an example below

[tender bloom]

I saw blueberry demo some magic once

[lucid iron]

theres terrain set u can make in tiled but its very complicated

[tender bloom]

yeah that must be the thing

I think you have to manually specify a whole bunch of the connections info

and I don't know the format

[brisk kraken]

Hm, alright, it looked very different from other syntaxis in the file but thanks for explaining!

[woeful lintel]

I just checked their message again: it was about maintaining the mod because they were having bugs with it.

[lucid iron]

why did they message unrelated mod author about updating completely different mod

[tiny zealot]

hang on, did i get a DM about this too? let me check

[vernal crest]

Ah okay. I wonder if they tried contacting Datamancer and they never got back to them? Or if they just are bad at etiquette.

[woeful lintel]

They probably saw I was active

[woeful lintel]

Yep, they mentioned not getting answers

[vernal crest]

I see Datamancer is in here too but hasn't been active since April

[tiny zealot]

haha hell yeah same person! they also asked me to update it. probably just a spray-and-pray to every active C# modder they could find

[woeful lintel]

Honestly, I kinda get it, it's infuriating to be an active user of something that's not maintained

[frozen field]

Leroy, what do you mean specifically about an in-game map editor? Like, edit the base map while the game is running?

also if it's easier just dm me

[devout otter]

They messaged me too somehow...

[lucid iron]

extremely prolific but now retired modder aedenthorn had this mod https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/18387

[woeful lintel]

I don't really know, I never really dealt with maps

[brittle pasture]

I didn't get messaged, should I be relieved or offended

[vernal crest]

DMT and the map editor are different mods with different purposes

[lucid iron]

the edits are sort of like content patcher EditMaps in that its json format rather than tmx, though im not clear on the details

[woeful lintel]

I remember a while ago someone was asking for help to make a mod where the player would be able to change the terrain semi-freely to add a kind of minecraft-like sandboxy style to the game

I can imagine a framework to do stuff like this

[vernal crest]

DMT is not done in-game, I am pretty sure. It's more of a modder's resource, if I understand correctly.

[tiny zealot]

when i see a request like that, i usually say to myself "just play the other game"

[frozen field]

I feel like you would need to be in a "sandbox" setting to do that though?

[woeful lintel]

Would require a shit-ton of features tho

[frozen field]

I was just about to say that, like...then play MC?

[vernal crest]

IDK I have been kind of intrigued by the mods where you have to buy more game one tile at a time

[lucid iron]

there was a terraform mod too, though i have no idea if it was ever released for real

[frozen field]

first things first, I gotta make an honest attempt at making a c# gui program to at least read and display some of the game and mod files first

[brittle pasture]

tbf I also think it's an intriguing idea, but it is a massive pain to implement

[lucid iron]

i did have thoughts about mod that let you add more water on a map, but the actually make tile change version would be so doomed for multiplayer

[frozen field]

esp since I'm mostly on Linux now and VS isn't on Linux, and Rider doesn't have the best Windows forms editor last I checked

[woeful lintel]

VSCode ftw!

[frozen field]

see I'm imagining acnh-style terraforming? is that what they want?

[lucid iron]

the simpler way to do it would be to make flooring that looks like water trenches

[frozen field]

oh I love vs code but it doesn't have a Windows forms editor. might be a good opportunity to do something not winforms lol

[brittle pasture]

you'd need a messaging system/netfield-like field to sync map changes right

[woeful lintel]

Oh wait, windows forms? No, I think you're cooked on Linux

[lucid iron]

and have some way to apply it that feels fancier than "i bought 999 water trench flooring from robins"

[frozen field]

using Linux is a good excuse to learn something other winforms lol

[lucid iron]

then lastly make paddy crops work if close to this special water flooring

plus water source ig

no fishing though

this approach is trivial for multiplayer cus u r just making terrainfeatures

and those are already netsync

[frozen field]

was about to say like the town fountain but forgot you can fish in it

[woeful lintel]

Alr, I'll let you make this mod in here, I'll go to sleep

[lucid iron]

ill prob make this mod in like 2025 feel free to do it b4 me so i can slacc

[brittle pasture]

The most painful part is probably the drawing to make it look good

[lucid iron]

yea what is art

that reminds me i cant get + of hoe dirt to look good

its got sharp edges

limitations of 16 tiles i assume

[tiny zealot]

how dare you remind me of the portraits i'm avoiding because progress is slow

[brittle pasture]

that one waterpool mod I saw a while ago only had preset water connectors probably because there isn't enough vanilla tiles for all possible variations lmao

I know there is no 1x1 water spot in the vanilla game

or 1xanything

[lucid iron]

Yeah the map version, if no custom tiles, would have to operate on minimum 3x3

When u "dig" you actually change 1 tile to water & 8 tile to water edge, if they weren't either kinds b4

[lost hull]

what ides do the c# modders here prefer?

[tiny zealot]

vi/m (not joking)

[lucid iron]

just use your favorite text editor

[lost hull]

i usually use powerpoint but i want to move to something else

[velvet narwhal]

Ichor said the word, selph is gonna prostheletize

[brittle pasture]

DID SOMEONE MENTION VIM?????

[lucid iron]

i mean if power point let you write plain text sln/csproj/cs files then go for it

just dotnet build in the end ez

[lost hull]

but seriously, what do people here generally use

i usually use visual studio but i know someone that works in the notepad

[brittle pasture]

For C#? Visual Studio is basically the only viable choice

(unless you're on Linux, in which case Rider?)

[tiny zealot]

did you see where i said "not joking"

[lucid iron]

i use vscode on linux but mainly cus i use vscode for everything

[velvet narwhal]

and vs22 doesn't work on anything but windows because microsoft thinks of linux as 3rd rate citizens oop-

[lost hull]

not joking means a lot of things on the internet

[lucid iron]

as long as whatever you use has some language server u can make it work

rider is nice if you enjoy the jetbrains suite of ides

[brittle pasture]

yeah the lang server is basically ide agnostic

[tiny zealot]

true, but in this case it means i wasn't joking and i actually use vim

[lucid iron]

the vsc C# lang server randomly dies on me though

[brittle pasture]

(same, I also use vim, and I'm not joking. vim users are indeed a tiny minority though)

[lucid iron]

i am staying on older version until that gets fixed

[calm nebula]

If you are new I strongly recommend using visual studio

Microsoft does an excellent job of holding your hand

[vernal crest]

I use Visual Studio because there are more walkthroughs for it

[calm nebula]

And being the shoulder you can cry on

[vernal crest]

No Atra that is your job

You can mop up our tears with socks and sweaters

[velvet narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-desperate-tears-crying-sad-gif-5389000

[calm nebula]

I'm not going to lie. I used to use vim exclusively as well

I now use vscode

I'm a fucking scrub

No longer hardcore

[velvet narwhal]

oh your building crow-scarer, roku brought up serialization for it and i went "oh...."

[brittle pasture]

smh im taking away your cheeto badge

[calm nebula]

I mean, do I deserve the cheeto badge anyways

Probably not tbu

[velvet narwhal]

(half a million)

[tiny zealot]

i don't use vim as a badge of honor. i did not fight alongside your father in the editor wars. i'm just middle-aged and i like my modes and muscle memory and i have no interest in switching away

(please do not tell me that other editors have "vim modes". i do not care)

[calm nebula]

Please, ichor

My father tells me about going uphill both ways in the snow in the dead of night to switch out floppies

The ones that actually flopp

[vernal crest]

My father used to have to post his punch cards across the country to the local computer

[velvet narwhal]

is that before or after swapping out the cable to a fully analog data-system

[vernal crest]

Now he takes his laptop on holiday without fail

[calm nebula]

(I know vim has autocomplete too.)

[tiny zealot]

analog data systems are still in use! at my last job we had to interface with a giant robot that stored archival data on magnetic tape

"the robot", we called it. when you had to pull a tape from it, you'd punch in the number or the coordinates or whatever and a big robotic arm would extract it from whichever shelf it lived on to feed it into the digitizer

[vernal crest]

That sounds fun

[tiny zealot]

truthfully: very cool

[velvet narwhal]

"getting your rocks off is nice but have you ever watched a giant robot arm get something off the shelf just for you?"

i am now awake, coffee in hand, staring at this building customfield, slackjawed

[quasi echo]

For some reason Elliot is still shirtless whenever he’s on the beach so I just gave up and made a seperate beach folder, no clue how to fix that

[fossil osprey]

I keep seeing mods that add more weather/more realistic weather, but I don't remember seeing a mod that add changing weather, weather that isn't fixed per day, like IRL
Is it just not possible, or has no one tried to do it?

[tiny zealot]

the game is not set up to allow weather to change during a single day

[calm nebula]

It's one of those things that is technically possible but also hard to fit into the gameplay flow

Or what ichor said

[tiny zealot]

anything is possible with enough effort, but that effort may be exceedingly high

[calm nebula]

For example, yes, you can toggle rain on. But you would also have to update a bunch of state for that

Does half a day of rain water the crops?

[fossil osprey]

alright, understandable

[lucid iron]

npcs have schedules dependent on the weather too

maybe if you do shenanigans to make it seem like not raining but still having it be rain day internally

[fossil osprey]

Yeah, maybe a mostly rainy day can be considered rainy, and mostly sunny is sunny, but it leaves the in between undecided...

Yeaaaah, I think I'll leave this idea a few years in the bottom drawer

[lucid iron]

Cloudy skies might let you define these Inbetween states as whole new weathers

[calm nebula]

Again, flipping the rain bool is trivial

Deciding what that should do and updating everything for that is...

[lucid iron]

I think bigger problem is player confusion

[calm nebula]

Exactly

[fossil osprey]

I feel like the hardest part is indeed the rain management bit ._.