archived-update-spoilers

[leaden stratus]

has to be stardrop tea

you can get a heart with him if you gave him 2 iridium quality loved gift and talk to him

[tough remnant]

Yeah basically. You can also use theatre and an iridium rabbit foot

But tea makes up the majority of it

Thankfully, tea isn't really that hard to get

Gold chests from fishing mastery are the way

[leaden stratus]

yeah they drop it pretty often

[tough remnant]

It's 1/13 or something IIRC

[leaden stratus]

increase your bite rate a lot and you can see a lot of them

advanced iridium rod actually helps quite a bit

[tough remnant]

Plus Pirate, Treasure Hunters, Magnets...

[leaden stratus]

so the setup for cowboy boots

or whatever they are called

[tough remnant]

Work Boots lol

Rarest item in a standard game by far

[leaden stratus]

I opened 4 golden coconuts...

[steady narwhal]

Oh hey bananas

[nova flame]

that's bananas

[leaden stratus]

I'm going bananas

[trim plinth]

What about scaling ?

[lunar adder]

??!??! since when could you find cinder shards in the skull cavern

[leaden stratus]

1.6.4

[quiet rampart]

yeah you can get it after you open the shortcut from floor 10 to floor 0

[nova flame]

oh that's neat

[leaden stratus]

it's nice but makes getting what you want a bit harder

[quiet rampart]

namely autopetters

[nova flame]

my guess is the odds aren't the best in sc?

oh, from treasure chests

[lunar adder]

please take my autopetters

i’ve had to start throwing them in the trash

i’m hunting for prismatic shards and megabombs

[quiet rampart]

yeah you do get a lot if you do SC dives often

[nova flame]

i see who's been blessed by yoba

[quiet rampart]

I get like 20 treasure rooms per run with MRC

many back-to-back

[leaden stratus]

I got like 6 or 7 once in a single run which is stupid

[quiet rampart]

6 or 7 autopetters?

[leaden stratus]

yes

[quiet rampart]

holy

[leaden stratus]

and didn't even use mrc

just spicy eel

[steel wyvern]

Gden clock was the last thing I needed for my old y3 perfection run I got it with like a week left, and it looks like it will be the last thing in my 1.6 run as well

Not that I actually aimed for y3 perf, I just played, and sometime around summer I was like "hold up, I could make it this year"

I feel like my 1.6 run will be slower

[trim plinth]

Yes it takes time to buy the seeds, plant them, harvest crops weeks after weeks, have oak resin and wood to build kegs, have something to contain kegs. It's not as straight forward as catch all the fish. Not saying it is hard, it is just time dependent while other tasks are often easier, because they have fewer dependencies.

[steel wyvern]

I've been running kegs for quite a while, got up to two full sheds and I still got so many expenses till I can even start the 10m countdown

Three obelisks, community upgrades...

[trim plinth]

Community upgrades ? It's an over the top perfection you went for

[steel wyvern]

Wait you don't need those?

[trim plinth]

No. You do not need to repair the theater either

[steel wyvern]

I mean that's an easy one anyway

I think friendships were the most tedious to grind

1.6 is much easier in that regard

[limpid hatch]

there should be a section in perfection that's "community goals"

community upgrades and movie theatre and whatnot

[steel wyvern]

I think my 1.6 run is slower because I tried the new farm and it just isn't that great for big plantations, the layout is awkward concerning fields

[trim plinth]

I am not a fan of the new farm either. Speedrunners agree that 1.6 should be faster for perfection. Books and mastery being part of it. They usually play on the forest map iirc.

[steel wyvern]

For guaranteed forage I guess?

[trim plinth]

And easy access to mahogany seeds to setup a mahogany farm too I presume.

[steel wyvern]

Come to think pf it, I've never played standard farm

[lyric sparrow]

I named one of my goats Bananas. Nanners for short. LOL

[lyric sparrow]

Speedrunning SDV is like driving 100 mph through Yosemite or Yellowstone and not stopping to look at anything. 😆

[trim plinth]

True but they do it because they have already seen it all. They keep on grinding the game because they love it.

[lyric sparrow]

It's a vaild way to play. I can appreciate the challenge of it. And it's no crazier than 72 sheds full of diamond crystalariums and playing to billionaire status. LOL

Still, not for me. I'm more of a "build bigger" player, rather than a "build faster" one.

[trim plinth]

Speedrunning is a challenge where you can fight with an older yourself and each other. SDV not being punishing, makes that you cannot destroy a run if you go the marathon way. It's only a matter of time for the 72 sheds, but it takes dedication nevertheless. I guess everybody finds fun in their own way and this is great.

[south canyon]

You can put ||Grapes|| in the ||dehydrator|| and it gives you rasins I dunno why, but I found this to be so cute

[lyric sparrow]

You don't need to spoiler anything in this chanel.

[south canyon]

I wasn't sure so I wanted to be careful 😅

Thank you, though

[lyric sparrow]

It's the spoiler-free channel where you can talk about everything 1.6.

[south canyon]

Okay, awesome!

[normal shell]

Foraging or Combat mastery?

[near tapir]

foraging probably

[distant seal]

How do I get my wife to ask for another child?

I just need one more child for the achievement

[toxic fiber]

It’ll happen eventually, nothing you can do to make her ask

[distant seal]

Idk if I need two child beds

or is one fine because the crib itself is open

[toxic fiber]

Iirc you just need the crib

[distant seal]

And I have 1 child bed

[toxic fiber]

It’ll stay in the crib until you have a bed for it

[rose knoll]

I just realized that the flies in the mines give more exp then bats and a lot of other enemies, and sheesh that's not what I expected

[glossy cipher]

guys there were some useful cheats/glitches that had to get removed with 1.6 but I can’t for the life of me remember what they are

[rose knoll]

The item code exploit in names

[regal ivy]

Grandpas statue exploit/glitch

[rose knoll]

Was a big one that got taken from consoles because of Nintendo

[trim plinth]

the one that transforms free sofa from the catalogue into valuable fabric

[hushed hare]

clay farming, selling tea saplings

[trim plinth]

tea saplings can still be sold, but they are 250g while they were 500g. it's not a cheat nor a glitch

[hushed hare]

eh, it was exploit-adjacent

[lunar adder]

y’all is NPCs appearing on the map a 1.6 thing or a mod

i thought it was 1.6 bc i don’t remember downloading that mod

[rich lake]

Mod

[rose knoll]

NPC Map Locations - Mod

[lunar adder]

wild i completely forgot i had that

every youtuber i watch also has the mod so i never considered it non-vanilla

[regal ivy]

It's vanilla to show where the farmer is on the map though as of 1.6

[coral arrow]

I'm told theres a Pet Menu/census type thing to see what animals I own?

[rich lake]

Should just be in your inventory menu iirc

[rich lake]

Little chick icon

[coral arrow]

Cracked open a Mystery Box... it contained a Maple Bar.

[tough remnant]

I kinda hate the animal tab NGL. It feels like it was designed without ever considering farms that had more than a handful of coops or barns

[chilly bloom]

Yeah fr

Though it’s largely useless in general for those people too

Like when you have whatever 100 animals you aren’t really caring for exact individual happiness

[rigid breach]

NOT ME, I want everyone at 5 hearts /silly

[chilly bloom]

Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m saying

You just think of all your animals in general

Not individual ones

One animal being half a heart behind isn’t a big deal when it’ll be 5 hearts eventually anyway

[rigid breach]

Its kinda redundant but it works for me

Its not like I automated my barn and coop not really (I did)

Only going to collect and when I do I pet them

[chilly bloom]

That’s aside from the point though

[rigid breach]

yeah u care abt all of them

but what can be done so its less redundant? sort by barn/coop?

or just leave em be since its a general thing

[chilly bloom]

Sure and add mood counter too even though that’s generally simple too

[tough remnant]

I still care about my pets and horse in the tab

But holy shit, please add side-tabs for each building or something

Anything to filter the data and make it remotely usable

[finite horizon]

(I think it would be nice to click on an animal to produce a tiny arrow pointing to that animal)

[chilly bloom]

Like the tracker arrow

[woven tusk]

That awkward moment when you have to utilize your species' ancestral apex predator instincts to find your brown animals in the brown autumn grass

Because Motherclucker and Her Moojesty have somehow not been petted yet today

[coral arrow]

Hmm. the new animal tab isnt quite what I was thinking. I was thinking like Ducks: 200

[lyric sparrow]

@tough remnant @chilly bloom The animal tab was designed for normal players.
i.e. ... NOT us. 🤣

[fathom saffron]

I'd like that..

[sour wolf]

Ok I think I hit a bug, I've had clint open a mystery box and I've gotten more mystery boxes each time i open the next mystery box

[gleaming marten]

mystery boxes? more like matryoshka boxes, am I right?

[fathom saffron]

I've had that. I don't think it's a bug

[gleaming marten]

funnily enough, one of the possible results for opening a mystery box is 3 more mystery boxes

[fathom saffron]

Yup xD

[steady narwhal]

Not a bug. That's intentional

[cyan belfry]

What does the new update have

The main things

[chilly bloom]

a “mastery” system which build off the current skill system

Nee festivals

New ways of getting to milestones such as the walnuts and perfection

Lots of qol

[tiny torrent]

New farm layout

[dreamy gust]

Also 🦝

[wet cedar]

A few new machines

[lyric sparrow]

A freaky end-of-the-world rain that would cause mass panic, spawn death-cults, and generally break society. LOL

[woven tusk]

And Demetrius in a hazmat suit!

A lot of reactive dialogue
e.g. Penny or Maru talking about you dating the other, Lewis commenting on seeing your first parsnips sprout, Willy commenting on each legendary fish you catch, Caroline thinking it's for the best if you humiliate Pierre at the autumn fair grange display...

[rigid breach]

oh hello again!!

do ppl have the stardew sound effects?

:0

wait nvm i found em

:D

[rigid breach]

wait

[sour wolf]

It’s supposed to happen repeatedly? Like 8 times in a row?

[steady narwhal]

Rng be like

[woven tusk]

Mr. Qi has a sense of humor, yes

[stark scroll]

hey guys

[woven tusk]

It doesn't specifically combo like that but it can happen due to funny luck

[hushed hare]

don't think I had such bad luck with mystery boxes, but happened to me with algae in the submarine, had like a double digit streak from the middle of the pool

[civic solstice]

yoooo i’m jumping back into sdv after years i did 1.5 perfection i know 1.6 perfection is different but like how?

[rose knoll]

New things to collect

[lyric sparrow]

I really missed out in year 1 not going into town and talking to everyone. I spent the whole time cutting trees and being the anti-Rolling Stone and gathering ALL the moss.

[rose knoll]

I believe the books count towards it, there's a couple of new crops

[lyric sparrow]

I saw the weirdest thing in the mines last night, frozen levels. A blue slime with a star on its antenna was being chased by another blue slime with a heart on it's antenna. After a bit of what looked like blue slime sexual assault, a baby slime popped out. Is this new to 1.6? I've never seen it before, and I thought it only happened (from what I've heard) in slime hutches.

[leaden stratus]

I love dangerous sc + monster musk + more enemies from desert festival

[hazy garden]

Stardoom Valley

[leaden stratus]

102 dmg is fine

[hushed hare]

not new, and yeah, it happens wherever slimes are found

[lyric sparrow]

4 years and almost 2000 hours and its the first time I've seen it.

[leaden stratus]

fun

[hazy garden]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[rose knoll]

At least the loot delivers itself to you - It's the mummies that scare me

The rest of it is just a free loot pinata to get a million bombs and other goodies

[leaden stratus]

bats

[leaden stratus]

yeah mummies scare the shit out of me after one hit me for 102 hp

at this point it's ridiculous

[rose knoll]

Iridium bats and serpents get annoying, but you can generally corral them on one side and swing until the pinata stops giving loot.

Anything that uses shadow brute AI scares me though

[leaden stratus]

perfect food for my hammer

[hazy garden]

the napalm ring would be amazing here

[leaden stratus]

it would only add more knockback

which is bad

napalm is one of my most hated rings

[hazy garden]

I just like explosions

[rose knoll]

I spy 80 iridium or so just trying to hand deliver itself to you

Level 10 combat before I unlock the skull cavern is just fun with monsters on at the farm - It's a steady supply of iridium in the early game, so I have a bit of a love for Iridium bats

[leaden stratus]

finally got my first galaxy soul

and on the next floor...

[hazy garden]

Ooh that's so satisfying when you have the burglar's ring and it drops the galaxy soul twice

[leaden stratus]

could've been 4

holy shit

that's death incarnate

[rose knoll]

Yep - I'd just ladder out

You're not salvaging it

[leaden stratus]

wow

worth it

[leaden stratus]

I think I have a new way of farming sc

I used like 90 salads in one day lmao

[opal terrace]

omg no way you got a red cabbage seed!

[leaden stratus]

obviously when it's worthless

I have committed no sin today

wait wait wait... magic hair gel!?!?

[opal terrace]

no way the best trinket in the entire game

[rose knoll]

I appreciate the fact that the ghosts in the SC count for the wizard's daily quests - It's nice being able to double dip

[unborn quartz]

Definitely not new, it can happen everywhere (I often see these in the secret woods)
What's rare in you case is that it was a rare slime ^^

There's a "mating" section in the slime wiki page explaining all this

[lyric sparrow]

"When a mommy slime and a daddy slime love each other very much ..."

[rose knoll]

Why must you do this to me, small furry one

[opal terrace]

If I fits I sits

[rose knoll]

(Oh yes - don't mind the bushes - forgot that was modded and not vanilla behavior)

[distant seal]

I hate waiting for the last achievement

Need to pray my wife wants one more child

[zealous fable]

i found a clover and dont know how to get it

i just got clay instead

[rose knoll]

That's just an artifact spot - if you dug up the clover and got clay, it was just the roll of the dice

[rose knoll]

And cat won - I forgot to replant the missing bush so now it's going to be off by 1 day all season

[opal terrace]

Should probably check what mods do before installing them
This is just one of the mods changing the artifact spot into a clover

[zealous fable]

ohh

[chilly bloom]

Nice, first year?

If so that’s amazing

My highest first year is only like 85

[steady narwhal]

Dang lucky

[chilly bloom]

Fr my closest one was like 16 years away

Lmao

[steady narwhal]

Oh god Alex appears at year 22 and 25 while Elliott appears at year 26

But Alex appears at year 13 for me if I marry

Dang those two are trying to break my zero marriage streak and I'm trying to not use dynamic seeding and marriage lmao

[leaden stratus]

nah, y2

[chilly bloom]

Ah ok that makes more sense

[leaden stratus]

I'm not even close to being THAT good

wow the changing hair doesn't fit my character at all

[lyric sparrow]

Just had my 2nd year's Green Rain day. Rather than chopping trees like I did last year, I went after weeds for the fiber. I figured that any trees that sprouted up would still be there once the day ended, but I wasn't sure about the weeds. Looks like the weeds do vanish, from a quick check the morning after.
I'm quite interested to know what all of you do during a Green Rain. I've been told the year 1 townsfolk reactions are something to behold, but I missed out on it. Do any of you still go into town year 2 and beyond, or do you stick to resource gathering, and if so, what exactly?

[rose knoll]

I typically use green rain to just roll around the maps with the scythe and harvest as much fiber and incidental moss as I can - Maybe knock a few of the ferns down to have a stock of them on hand

But it's really just an excuse to bulk gather the fiber and moss - Extra trees are fairly meaningless when they repopulate easily enough

[lyric sparrow]

Thanks! That's the approach I took this year, as I've been chronically low on fiber for some time, and wood hasn't been a problem, with almost two stacks in reserve. And the fern trees were a bonus, though I don't know that I'll ever use 80 fiddlehead fern.

[rose knoll]

Yeah - Fiber is the big one because a lot of the sources only really renew once a year unless you're planting fiber seeds

The moss is just a bonus so I don't have to chase some down later

[real narwhal]

green rain 3 trees are v good

i got salad for everyday that year then lmao

i have... reads chart enough moss for the one item that requires an absurd amount!

[trim plinth]

Green rain is good to grow trees. If you manage to detect the day before it occurs, it's like a giga chad aoe tree fertilizer : plant mahogany seeds and/or setup your oak farm for kegs Y1(Also works in the train station), plant mystic trees Y2. Y1 the fern things are good for income. They make decent gifts and can be processed inside jars. Moss on trees should stay the day after green rain, so you should focus on weeds that will vanish(I still hit trees though). I read 2x2 weeds are better to chop with an axe. I never tried it myself. My main focus for green rain is moss, I want 300+ per green rain. Fiber is nice, but there are fiber seeds that can give you a lot of fiber.

Use speed boost meals + triple expresso, use weapons that hit fast instead of strong(the insect blade is decent at it with its +4 speed).

Y1 green rain saloon is theorically nice to spam gifts, but iirc gifts trigger ??? making gifts impossible. You can still talk to many people at once meaning friendship. If you have a tree farm setup in the train station by Y2, be sure to farm the moss on the trees. It is still time to setup a tree farm in the train station by Y2, if you detected the green rain, the day before.

[lyric sparrow]

Thanks for the tips! Much appreciated.

[near tapir]

I think robin's reaction is the best. "demetrius is out there, what if it's dangerous?"

Meanwhile demetrius is rockin a hazmat suit

[lyric sparrow]

I'd be rockin' one if I had one.

[near tapir]

yeah, im just out here in shorts and a tee

[trim plinth]

I read George and Evelyne were cute during this event. I have seen the event multiple times and never took time to appreciate the dialogues. I should do it once then reset the day to harvest the precious moss.

[lyric sparrow]

I plan on doing the same at some point in the future.

[trim plinth]

I used to like the mushroom logs, but the moss is so tedious to harvest that I realize they slow me down to get the statue of blessing. So I end up skipping them while I like them. I can finally get mushroom logs when the game is almost over and I got 2 statues of blessing(1 additional one for GI)

[near tapir]

you use the house on GI?

[trim plinth]

The second statue might be overkill, same fore mining statue and farm computer.

[near tapir]

getting the Totem on GI was easy enough that i just go home. i would probably farm the island totem asap instead

[trim plinth]

Sometimes, when I am trying to do many volcano runs to mass shards/dragon teeth/....

Every time I go back to the main farm, I end up taking care of my animals and ponds. Not seeing them helps. I find before I have the key to the town, going to GI takes some time.

The island obelisk also takes time to get : gathering 10 dragon teeth and 10 bananas takes more than a season.

But to be honest, when I ended up having the second statue of blessing, everything related to the volcano was done except for a few teeth. So yes it is most likely overkill.

I wish we could use the mini obelisk on GI

[near tapir]

yeah, i was thinking island totem vs second statue of blessing

also cant you just carry the statue to GI if you want it while your there?

[trim plinth]

It is true. It also means I would have to take it back and I could forget it and I would have a missing inventory slot. It is comfortable and lazy at the same time to have 2, to me.

[near tapir]

fair

[rose knoll]

Well I just spent 4 minutes agonizing over whether to go mining or fishing (for a quest) on spring 27 - Could totally do both, but both combat and fishing are at 99% EXP to the next level and I hate to waste the energy boosts.

Then I realized it was a dumb argument, do the mining first, then let it smelt while I fish

Thank you, Demetrius, for that stupid Largemouth Bass quest

[lyric sparrow]

HEY!! I needed that Largemouth Bass for dinner at Jodi & Kents!!
Such a gal. Invites you to dinner and asks you to bring the dinner. 🤣

[rose knoll]

I kind of like hitting the point where you can't cheese level ups. Makes decisions a lot easier.

But they're so u seful

[coral arrow]

Was there a Stardrop ALWAYS for purchase at the Fair?

[steady narwhal]

Only if you dont have it unlocked yet

[coral arrow]

Its been a while so I possibly forgot or never noticed

Its 730 am wed 17 and I cant see Shane:

nvm I found him

[distant seal]

How do I make Leah want another child faster

[quiet rampart]

[versed chasm]

For the overnight event with Mister Qi and the Mystery boxes, is that all the time now or was that just for the Green Rain?

[quiet rampart]

mystery boxes can be found any time after the event

[versed chasm]

okay, I am assuming by hitting trees etc?

[quiet rampart]

yep

[lyric sparrow]

It was in 1.5, at least.

[coral arrow]

Ok

[lyric sparrow]

She loves wine. LOL

[distant seal]

Wait I just need to give her more gifts? I am already at max

and kept it up

[robust ice]

Is it a good idea to buy strawberries on your first year?

[lyric sparrow]

That was a joke. Your spouse wanting to have another kid is completely random.

[lyric sparrow]

The best idea you can have.

[distant seal]

It's just ridiculous how long it takes

[robust ice]

but I also want to save my money for the traveling cart

[quiet rampart]

you only need a little bit of spending money to get what you want from the travelling cart

the stock is random though

[lyric sparrow]

Don't bother. The travelling cart has random stuff which is occasionally useful. Strawberries, on the other hand, are the best crop in year 1 and can make you enough money to afford things like seeds for summer, a coop and a few chickens, things that can make you MORE money. The travelling cart is overpriced stuff that MIGHT come in handy for the CC, but you're really better off getting whatever you can for CC by yourself and only relying on the cart for a few items you may have missed.

[quiet rampart]

it does occasionally come in clutch with a red cabbage though

[lyric sparrow]

My goal for year 1 spring is to make as much money as I can before the Egg Festival, through fishing and crops, and put it all on strawberries. I don't spend money on much of anything before the festival that can't be recouped before the festival, like crops I know will finish growing on or before the 12th so I can ship them and have the money in hand on the 13th.

[quiet rampart]

my usual goal is SC before summer :D

[lyric sparrow]

That's impressive.

[quiet rampart]

I usually have to reset a bunch of times though, so I think I'll pass on that this time around for my enjoyment

[lyric sparrow]

I'm trying not to be so power-gamey this time around. I'm still doing pretty well, but I'm not trying for a massive farm this time. I only have 224 crop spaces outside, plus the greenhouse. And I'm not monoculturing. I have bigger plots of my money crops, but it's a variety of them, with a bit of everything available to grow in the season.

[quiet rampart]

mhm polyculture

[robust ice]

My strategy for this save is to make as much money as possible through potatoes and parsnips. The cabbage and green bean is only for the community center

[quiet rampart]

wait 224? are you on riverlands?

[lyric sparrow]

Riverlands is kind of limiting in that way, which is kind of a blessing. Limited space, so I can't give into temptation and follow my natural inclination to go big. LOL

[quiet rampart]

and it has a smoker as a starting boon

[lyric sparrow]

I haven't used it much. I'm not impressed with the concept. I have better uses for coal. And, yes, I know how to get lots of coal. But I also know how to get LOTS of ores, and I need that coal for it, as well as crafting.

I figure for a smoker to be worth it, the fish would have to be worth over 100g in year 1, and 250 in year 2 and beyond, because that's what it takes to buy coal, or in the case of year 1, 10 wood to turn into one coal.

Base price of over 250 with Angler is a grand total of 9 fish.

[woven tusk]

Nah, those numbers can be adjusted down due to Artisan also working

1.4× price needs to beat the cost of the coal

...Then again, with targeted bait, you'd be able to laser-focus on the high-value fish anyway

Let's see. With both Angler and Artisan, the fish must be worth 119G before those skills, to approximately break even in the smoker.

Sturgeons are available for most of the day in two seasons. Catfish are available on rainy days in the other two.
Lava Eeling is kind of nutty if you can get it working, but that may be a bit too specialized

[quiet rampart]

fishing is very profitable in summer

sturgeon and super cucumbers

the smoker helps most early game imo though, smoking gold catfish with angler will get you a lot

[woven tusk]

Farming is easy to max early, so Artisan is entirely plausible for smoked Sturgeons in the first summer

[quiet rampart]

yeah

one batch of starfruit is usually enough to get you to 10, depending on the number of crops

[woven tusk]

I prefer Pirate over Angler but even then... Artisan remains overpowered to nobody's surprise

[quiet rampart]

I feel like the rancher tree needs to be buffed

or maybe artisan should be nerfed

[woven tusk]

Both have already happened

Rancher used to be +10% and Artisan used to be +50%

[quiet rampart]

both still have significant power differences though

[woven tusk]

Shepherd is the optimal income per farm tile according to Sicarious' minmaxing theorycraft, so there's that

[quiet rampart]

sheepmaxxing is insane

[woven tusk]

It has to be, to beat Artisan

[quiet rampart]

the hops of ranching

[lyric sparrow]

It's not just so much the power differences, as the scope of each. Artisan affects everything. Rancher is fragmented into the different animal types, making you choose one while ignoring the others.

That's the flaw in animal farming, as much as CA tried to buff it.

[woven tusk]

Smoker made Artisan affect Fish and that was hilarious

[quiet rampart]

well if anything I think specializing in one department should give a much larger boost than something that applies generally

[woven tusk]

Rancher vs Tiller does that
Artisan is just unfair

[quiet rampart]

true

[woven tusk]

The one thing about this is
In a game that has community as a central theme, maybe it makes sense for some skills to only be desirable in co-op

The team doesn't need more than one Artisan, so then the other players can branch out

[quiet rampart]

hmm

never thought of it that way, but that does sound very plausible

[woven tusk]

Solo-play Profession-swapping is... probably not meant to be the main playstyle

[quiet rampart]

lmao

[hushed glade]

Bro really?

Before a single thunderstorm

[quiet rampart]

moss and fiber time

[hushed glade]

Bro

[steady narwhal]

Oops

Got to watch on a sunday

[hushed glade]

It is sunday

And it's green rain

Meaning I miss the QoS channel

(thank god for the QoS cookbook)

[quiet rampart]

there's always the reruns too

[steady narwhal]

Oh

[hushed glade]

How am I supposed to live without the carp surprise

[steady narwhal]

You eat other fish

[quiet rampart]

mmm chub

[oblique adder]

Does anyone else ever get annoyed by green rain sometimes

Like, the moss

[quiet rampart]

well it's free rain and fiber so I'm not complaining

[oblique adder]

I guess that’s one way of seeing it, thx

[quiet rampart]

moss is pretty important too

you'll need a lot for that statue of blessings

[oblique adder]

Ohhh, all I’ve got is moss soup

[quiet rampart]

the statue is unlocked by farming mastery

[wet cedar]

Is it an oversight that rancher doesn’t affect dinosaur eggs?

[lapis sphinx]

It's a coop critter, so I don't think so?

[wet cedar]

Smoked fish are affected by angler and artisan buffs so I don’t see why Dino eggs can’t be affected by rancher and artifact appraisal book

[wet cedar]

I’m talking about the 20% increase to sell price of animal products

[sacred river]

Dino eggs are an artifact

[wet cedar]

I know

[sacred river]

Not a coop product

[wet cedar]

I mean they’re literally an animal product

Dinosaurs produce them

[sacred river]

They're classified as artifacts

The same reason why treasure appraisal guide works on them

[wet cedar]

And smoked fish are classified as artisan goods but are still affected by fisherman/angler

So why can’t dinosaur eggs be affected by two things

[runic vigil]

I'm rather annoyed by how rare it is

[lyric sparrow]

Better than 171 million in diamonds per year?

[tough remnant]

It beats general crops, not everything. Also, coopmaster + golden chickens is better, and realistically you can get golden chickens if you're sandbox minmaxing farm income.

[lyric sparrow]

I'm not sure, but I think from reading that the only thing that matters is that the fish be worth over 90 for Artisan to kick it over 250, the price of one coal.
90 x 2 = 180 x 1.4 = 252.
Angler would come into play with the value of the fish, pushing it over 90, no? Affecting only the very first number, the fish value, before doing the whole equation.
In which case, if I'm correct, I'm re-evaluating my position on the smokers, but only as far as Artisan and Angler giving it a serious boost. I'm still not sure of it without and at lower levels.

I mean, I'm catching stuff like Chubs and Carp in the early game on the Riverlands farm. I smoked them for food early on. But as a moneymaking venture I just didn't see it working at the time.
But using the same formula, the break-even point for year 1, using the 10 wood for one coal in the kiln, at 100 gold total, the break even point would be about 36g once you have Artisan, and a normal 50g until then.
36 x 2 = 72 x 1.4 = 100.8
Provided my reasoning is right. I'll have to smoke some fish and see.

And I realize that found coal doesn't fit the price model. I'm simply using that as replacement value.
Finally got that burglar ring, so dust sprites are going to be powering a fish smoking enterprise from here on out. LOL
Anyway, thanks for your insight.

And my apologies for the rambling.

[quiet rampart]

hmm

charcoal kiln you say

do people actually use that for coal?

[lyric sparrow]

Only early on. I made a few of them just to keep up with my ore needs. Got one free from a CC bundle. Haven't used them since. I'm building a second shed and when it's complete, they'll get stashed away and never seen again. Maybe even deconstructed at some point.

[quiet rampart]

interesting

[lyric sparrow]

Year 1 Robin sells wood for only 10 each.

Making coal only 100 each.

[quiet rampart]

I never even thought about using the free one because I always stash it away and forget

how long does it take to make 1 coal?

[lyric sparrow]

It's pretty fast.

[quiet rampart]

hmm yeah

might be worth it, maybe I'll try it on my new save

I need coal anyway for riverlands smoker

[dreamy gust]

I love how I went from being terrified of the SC every time I entered to having this as the average haul after a run

[chilly bloom]

You can have both, in fact you can basically push a billion g per year with golden chickens and diamonds

You can have about 170 coops with golden chickens on the farm if you’re feeding daily, and more on beach farm. That’s over 500 mil a year (though less if looking at purely profit due to hay costs)

You can also fit about 18000 crystalariums off the farm and harvest about 4000-4500 a day which works out fine, you can even fit a couple extra thousand on the farm in cabins as they’re more worth it over a singular coop

Say 20,000 crystalariums harvesting 4000 a day, not 100% unreasonable with a decent route created. That’s nearly 450 million in pure profit as it requires no cost outside of food buffs. You are sacrificing like 4-5 coops for that which will reduce the total by about 15 mil so the total yearly possible is in the 915-930 mil range

And that’s without squeezing the total harvestable number of machines which could pretty feasibly go a little higher (though depends highly on routing)

Also in some areas you can even get a little more cash off of mushroom/mystic tree farming albeit by small margins

With beach farm a billion is absolutely possible though I haven’t checked all the building placement there myself

[sour phoenix]

Oh no Gorilla is talking about making money

[vapid wind]

The expert is here

[chilly bloom]

Honestly I’m thinking of making a short vid on a billion g farm

[mellow atlas]

How are you so rich I’m in year 7 so far 😭🙏

[vapid wind]

Omgg I would love to see it

[dreamy gust]

I'm saving up for the clock 💀

I want to get the most expensive thing out first, i dunno if it makes sense 😅 I haven't been spending much, because at this point I pretty much have everything I need. I only spend money now on Starfruit Seeds for my GI farm, and the occasional batch of Mega Bombs for SC runs

I should probably spend more money (like getting the desert obelisk) but I just wanna be done with the clock

[leaden stratus]

Getting island and desert obelisks first is a good idea

[dreamy gust]

I caved and got the Island Obelisk already, that's the only one I have now

I have enough coconuts to craft the occasional desert totem when I have perfect luck days for Skull Cavern runs

[rose knoll]

Desert Totems are also just a good sink for omni geodes

[leaden stratus]

Buy desert totems for omini geodes

[dreamy gust]

I probably should to be honest
But I always forget

So yeah, once I have that damn clock I can get started on the other obelisks

While that's cooking I'm currently also working on a Dinosaur Coop

Just a Deluxe Coop filled with Dinosaurs

Is it the most efficient money maker? Probably not, but I just want to have it

I'm already like halfway there

[trim plinth]

billion farm any% when

[trim plinth]

Dinosaurs are worse than basic chickens

[leaden stratus]

I wonder how long this would've been lol

[dreamy gust]

Yeah but consider, they're dinosaurs

I'm not in for the money

[trim plinth]

If only they grew up, that would make them neat. But they stay smol.

[dreamy gust]

I have a different coop for all the chickens

[trim plinth]

Coop dinosaurs should have a .05% chance to drop a trinket that would give you a throwing fireballs dinosaur.

[dreamy gust]

Unfortunately
Regardless, I already have the whole Land Before Time cast as names (including Chomper), so now I'm doing We're Back: a Dinosaur Story as names

[trim plinth]

Jurassic valley. Spared no expense.

[dreamy gust]

Oh definitely

[leaden stratus]

Another source of pain for people who want to get all items hmm

[dreamy gust]

I wish there was a mod to have different kind of Dinosaur appearances

[trim plinth]

Land before time was a masterpiece.

[dreamy gust]

Dang right

I had a full DVD with just that and like 10 of the sequels

Real talk why did it have so many sequels

[tough remnant]

This is incorrect for Year 2+ FYI

The fish (including quality and professions) needs to be worth at least 140

[trim plinth]

I do not remember watching the sequels. It must have been a huge commercial success. Maybe not in movie theaters, but so many people had a VHS tape of it.

[tough remnant]

Well, technically 139

[dreamy gust]

I suppose so

[tough remnant]

The maths for whether or not smoker is worthwhile is basically 2.8 * Fish_Price > Fish_Price + Coal_Price, which can be rearranged into Fish_Price > Coal_Price / 1.8

In year 1, that means the breakeven point is 84g, and in year 2+, the breakeven point is 139g

[opal terrace]

only if you're buying coal

otherwise it's a matter of is smoking this fish more profitable than something else I can do with the coal

[tough remnant]

True, but on the other hand, you never have enough coal

[opal terrace]

idk I always have enough for my needs

I'm no minmaxxer, so for my casual playthroughs I almost always have enough just from mines and geodes etc.

[trim plinth]

Y1: if fish is worth more than 200, I smoke
Y2: if fish is worth more than 300, I smoke

I do not have infinite smokers, I do not have infinite time to make coal. Time is not easily convertible into money, but it does have a value. Also fishing takes time.

[tough remnant]

Anyway, it's also not particularly hard to exceed that breakeven point

Even a gold star sardine is worth buying a coal to smoke in year 1

With Angler profession

[opal terrace]

artisan adds to it as well

[tough remnant]

Yeah, I was factoring that in

If you don't have that, then it just becomes Fish_Price > Coal_Price

Which makes it work for a lot less fish

[opal terrace]

a lot of fish will be profitable with smoker though

and in late game you can keep doing extended family and just smoking legend ii for a huge profit

[tough remnant]

Without artisan, it's only worth it for good fish, like catfish

[opal terrace]

I always go with artisan so that's not a problem
well, it is before I get to level 10

[tough remnant]

Yeah

[opal terrace]

even then a lava eel from the mines can make good profits
or even the aforementioned catfish

[tough remnant]

Oh yeah, lava eel are easily worth it

Even fish pond lava eels are worth smoking

If you want an extra 2940g every 5 days

[opal terrace]

depends on whether or not you can be bothered regrowing the fish pond

[tough remnant]

You don't need to do anything to repopulate it, the fish pond does that itself

Question is whether you can be bothered fishing out a lava eel from the pond each time it repopulates back up to 10

To smoke it

3k isn't really a particularly noteworthy sum of money at that point IMO

[woven tusk]

You could have sold that fish for 90G and then kept the coal worth 250G, rather than spending a coal to increase the 90G fish's value by only 160

[woven tusk]

You can learn to craft the Bait Maker very early on a fishing-focused run, dramatically improving catfish yield on rainy days in the spring.
As for nonrainy days, you do stuff other than fishing. You need to do a lot of mining and woodcutting and, well, farming in Spring Y1.
By Summer, you're much freer, at which point Sturgeons are available every day-- and Super Cucumbers every night

[woven tusk]

Okay but the original argument was for Rancher, and Coopmaster is still Rancher

Here, the kind of madness made possible by targeted bait. 26 catches, 16 of which were Sturgeon, in the winter (where pikes and perches get in the way). More than half the catch was Sturgeon, and this would cost about four Sturgeons to the bait maker. Effectively 12 out of 26 is still amazing (presumably a slightly better ratio in the Summer, without Pike/Perch to interfere) for a fish this valuable

(The silver ones are because a rippling spot showed up a bit closer to shore)

[woven tusk]

Honestly I did the math wrong anyway... I used 1.4 when I should have used 1.8 (2.8 from Artisan smoked fish vs 1.0 from raw fish)

When I redo it, I get a breakpoint of 139G. Hm.

Well, even Largemouth Bass can accomplish that

[dry warren]

thats why whenever you get coal you dont sell any of it, you keep stacking it because you are constantly gonna need it, since its one of the most common things its not even that hard to do...just make sure you upgrade all your tools first then you can smoke all you want, only my pickaxe is fully upgraded and everything else is almost there, since i dont require as much coal anymore it is ohmyyoba easy to stack it and the fish, weather good quality or not adds up to be well worth it

[opal terrace]

who the hell sells coal

[dry warren]

ive met some very sad and shameful people

i had to teach them the ways

[woven tusk]

Fish smoker and iridium bars are sort of the way to "sell" it (spend coal to get money)

[dry warren]

i pick up at least 3 iridium ore every morning, put it in my chest then i go out to fish, i come back and i smoke everything, with the smoked fish and the fact i have a full coop and an almost full barn, i make like 15k every day

quick easy money...without the smoking i make like 10k

rn i have 112 coal in my chest, if it gets to 75 or below i go mining to the quary and usually get like 10-15 coal there and then ill just mine down in the mines for the rest of the day

[woven tusk]

This guy does

[leaden stratus]

That's why no one likes him

[quiet rampart]

I think they meant selling (to clint or putting in the shipping bin), not buying lol

could be wrong though

[leaden stratus]

Well clint sells coal to you

He is a fool

[quiet rampart]

true

at an outrageous price hike too

[leaden stratus]

And still it's worth it 😔

[quiet rampart]

I can't be arsed to farm dust sprites

[woven tusk]

Yes, this is what I mean

[leaden stratus]

He was able to stay in pelican town thanks to lewis (golden statue) and he lives on your money after you move in

[woven tusk]

<-- the only guy in the valley who can turn a profit selling coal

[quiet rampart]

oh you said that as a reply independant of context

sorry

I buy a lot of things from every store except pierre's

[leaden stratus]

Me too, I've already caused mass genocide on my trash can only 25% profit margin run

[quiet rampart]

coal from clint, SF seeds and DSG from sandy, wood from robin

oh ig willy's

hmm

it's fine I give him a diamond every 2 weeks or so

[leaden stratus]

And killed over 1000 in y1 on my current sve run

[quiet rampart]

surely he can survive

[leaden stratus]

I'm shocked they still want to get close to me

[quiet rampart]

I heard somewhere you can complete the monster hunter goal in a single day for dust sprites by farming level 55

I'm not going to try it myself, because I have self-respect

[leaden stratus]

What's self-respect?

[quiet rampart]

[leaden stratus]

Nah I'm not into dust sprite farming now

I'm waiting for 1.6.9 to release so I can my second trash can only 25% margin attempt

[quiet rampart]

lmao

hmm

parrot's egg?

[opal terrace]

my guy is not making ANY money

[leaden stratus]

Yeah

[quiet rampart]

wait does parrot's egg get affected by the 25% profit margin

bruh

[opal terrace]

no because that's not selling items

[leaden stratus]

I'm going to test it soon to see if I want to ban it

[quiet rampart]

ok then that might actually be the fastest way to generate profit lmfao

[leaden stratus]

You're most likely right

[quiet rampart]

why do you do this to yourself

[leaden stratus]

Last time I failed because I lost motivation for sleeping like 30 years to get enough money lol

[opal terrace]

yeah I can see why

[quiet rampart]

LMAO

[leaden stratus]

I love doing stupid things

[quiet rampart]

same

except I'm not masochistic

[trim plinth]

but respectfully

[leaden stratus]

Well I am

Terraria is probably the game in which I've done some of the most insane things for my sanity

I'm fine

[quiet rampart]

lawnmower only run

[leaden stratus]

Nah

Only calamity infernum

[quiet rampart]

lol

[leaden stratus]

But I'm planning some really dumb shit for 1.4.5 lmao

Getting every possible on the earliest stage it's available to get

[quiet rampart]

bro needs help

[leaden stratus]

If you know pokemons professor oak challenge then you're going to understand what I want to do

[leaden stratus]

That's what 4k hours in a game does to you

[grim reef]

I have a question regarding the new update.

Will the new update for console match the PC version? (Please ping me, I might not see this)

[tough remnant]

As far as content goes, it should. As far as other platform differences, probably not.

[solid tartan]

Basically it should have everything but performance wise ofc it’s gonna be a little different because of the different graphics

[regal ivy]

I'm pretty sure he confirmed that other platforms will be 1.6.9, yes

[grim reef]

Thanks, Amelia.

[dry warren]

okay i have everything but my trashcan upgraded and idk if i should bother doing it...whats the puprose of the trashcan being ugraded?

[hazy garden]

you get more gold by junking your items

[hushed hare]

when you have to trash items, it gives you a percentage of their worth back, only really useful on SC runs when your invetory gets full

or you're doing a challenge run of some kind

[dry warren]

whats the highest percentage you can get back?

[leaden stratus]

60%

[leaden stratus]

who would've been so stupid to do this kind of a run... oh wait that's me

[hushed hare]

what was your income before the first upgrade? IIRC the regular trashcan doesn't give anything back

[quiet rampart]

quests, probably

[leaden stratus]

yeah quests

but I also did 25% profit margin

so even with iridium trash can I barely made money from ''selling'' items

[quiet rampart]

poverty simulator

[leaden stratus]

special orders my beloved

[lyric sparrow]

You're right. I was only covering the value of the coal and not the value of the fish unsmoked. So stupid of me. This is why I don't do math so late at night. LOL

So it's 100 break-even point year 1 without Artisan, 250 break-even point without Artisan every year thereafter.

Break-even point in year 1 with Artisan is 56, every year thereafter it jumps to 140. That's a helluva jump.

[woven tusk]

A gold largemouth bass is 150 without even having fisher/angler, it's fine

[woven tusk]

Dark Linus playthrough
Linus: doesn't like having too much money at a time, carefully picks through garbage cans to take out what he needs
You: stuffing things into the garbage can in a frenzy to try making as much money as possible that way

[leaden stratus]

Lmao

that's true though

I'm going to guess that it's going to be way easier in 1.6 than it was in 1.5

prismatic butterflies are going to be an actual money source lmao

[tough remnant]

84g in year 1, unless you were using charcoal kiln pricing with buying wood from Robin, which I would suggest is not worth it due to the extra time/infrastructure investment required anyway

[tough remnant]

Butterflies still suck, the real clincher for 1.6 is the parrot

Parrot is really good

[distant seal]

I am lost on what to do with my GI farm. I am past endgame and I don't need grapes but they are nice for raisins

Wait maybe I should setup an outdoor dehydrator spot

in GI

or I can just use the quarry to be fair

[woven tusk]

Could set up garden potted fairy roses for bee houses

Fairy rose honey is normally limited by season and by grow time (restricting it to around two-thirds of that season)
Year-round fairy rose honey is strong as hell

[tough remnant]

It's a pretty good option for mystic tree + mushroom log farm

[south canyon]

Is the fairy dust powder from the raccoon any good or should I sell them?

[distant seal]

Yeah that's my plan now although I might be able to retire from stardew early lol

Because Leah finally asked if I wanted another baby and I said yes

[limpid crow]

Grapes?

[distant seal]

Yeah because Raisins

[limpid crow]

Ooooh

[distant seal]

although tbh I don't need it because I am already past endgame

I have no need to have all my wealth

[limpid crow]

That's understandable, tho Raisins are still a good money maker, 800 gold is a lot!

||that's with artisan||

[chilly bloom]

That’s not a lot

[distant seal]

That's pennies in endgame

Honestly money is just a number to me

My final major project I hope to finish before my son is born

[south canyon]

How much iridium ore is normal to get in just a day (Skull Caverns) ? Cause it's my first time in here and I already have 25

[lyric sparrow]

That's quite good for a first run. May I suggest you use your first iridium bars to make more crystalariums. It will allow you to dupe more jades to trade for more staircases, allowing you to go deeper and get more iridium. Upgrading tools and sprinklers can wait.
Bombs (including the slingshot with explosive ammo), food and staircases. Spicy eels and TSE for speed and luck.
I just finished a run where I didn't even start mining until I staircased down to level 100 and ended up with 450 iridium. And there are folks who can do a lot better than me at it.

[south canyon]

By the end of it I ended up with over 50 and a prismatic shard (I think I got to almost level 60) but I ran out of healing stuff / food

I have one crystalarium currently, but I'll definitely make some more

[lyric sparrow]

That's a very impressive first run! Well done!

[south canyon]

Thank you!
I'm assuming I just had a really high luck day

[lyric sparrow]

Luck, but skill too. You don't get those numbers without it.

[south canyon]

I find Skull Cavern less scary that the actual mines cause it's not all dark n spooky

[lyric sparrow]

You do know what you're supposed to do with that prismatic shard, right?

[south canyon]

I took my first one to the desert for the sword

This one I should donate ? Or should I keep it ?

[lyric sparrow]

Sorry if that sounded patronizing. I didn't know your experience with the game.

[south canyon]

Nuu! You're fine

[lyric sparrow]

I always donate the second. You'll find plenty more at the rate you're going. Save all of those. You'll need them later.

[rose knoll]

Iridium runs are mostly about getting as deep as possible as fast as possible - 25 for a first run where you aren't trying to optimize for depth is pretty good

Since it won't mostly spawn until around floor 30, but you can score it off of monsters before then

[south canyon]

I also had used a monster spray thing I found, so I'm sure that helped >.< I got a lot of the ores from slimes and bats

[south canyon]

Thank you!

[rose knoll]

Ah, monster musk? Yeah, that's useful, though for pure iridium dives, enemies are counterproductive ish

The more iridium you get, the more you inevitably need

[south canyon]

So stairs are my best bet then? To get past floor 30 fast

[rose knoll]

That's the usual strategy

Spam stairs to 50-75, then go nuts with bombs

There's also min max shenanigans to animation cancel to save in game time

[south canyon]

The amount of bombs I have been burning through on those Mummies

[leaden stratus]

animation cancel isn't important, pause buffering is key

[rose knoll]

Yeah. Don't kill them unless it's a multipurpose bomb to shatter a bunch of rock

[rose knoll]

Sorry, yes. The ADHD squirrels took the easy but wrong phrasing

[leaden stratus]

makes sense

[lyric sparrow]

Get explosive ammo for the slingshot. It's cheaper and will blow up mummies just fine, and also work for ores next to walls or mobs and be a lot faster than bombs, because you don't have to wait for it to go off; the explosion is instant.
You still want bombs for big clusters of ore in the middle of rooms.

[woven tusk]

Since mummies chase you, I run to the clusters of stones I wanted to bomb anyway, and fight them there (sometimes after planting the bomb, during the fuse time) so the bomb gets the stones and mummies at once

I do carry a slingshot and explosive ammo tho. This is just to illustrate a way to conserve.

The multihit mechanic of the hammer special can crush mummies fast if they're cornered (such as against those stones I'm blasting)

[hushed hare]

what enchant are you running with? and on what weapon?

[rustic summit]

Or, even better: you transform sap into fertiliser, get rich and then spend your hard earned money on oil of garlic at the dwarf shop so you can not have mummies spawn in the first place

[woven tusk]

Artful Galaxy Hammer (not enough materials to bring it to Infinity and haven't gotten around to gemming)

[woven tusk]

I don't think oil of garlic affects mummies

Also Mummies drop precious Solar Essence, which helps fuel my Mega Bomb spree. Gold ore is common, Serpents are common and drop Void Essence, so that's the missing piece

[rose knoll]

Regular mine if I recall

[lyric sparrow]

Danger in the Deep is the regular Mines. Skull Cavern Invasion is SC.

And the Hunger one is SC also.

[woven tusk]

The first two times I did Danger in the Deep, Abigail made it to B20F ahead of me.

I have no idea how. The elevators are broken and anyone currently in the mine is kicked out when the quest is accepted. The only way to get there ahead of me would have been to walk past me

[rose knoll]

She uses all those amethysts she pretends to eat to produce fancy staircases

[rose knoll]

Argh - day 6 green rain - There goes my plans for day 5, I need to prep the tree farm area right now. Bah

Come back slightly later, rain.

[woven tusk]

Literally accidentally reinvented the old "Rain rain, go away; come again another day" song

[rose knoll]

Yeah - I was just hoping for a few more days to clearcut a section of my farm to lay out the trees

[safe vortex]

And gives you extra reach

[tribal wedge]

it's still great in the late game don't worry

[distant seal]

My fellow Stardew players

I got all the achievements!

Y5

[leaden stratus]

Looking good

[distant seal]

I am probably going to retire from all of stardew for a while but it's been fun chatting and asking question's from y'all

[fathom saffron]

Oh that's a lovely map layout

[trim plinth]

It was fun seeing you progress through the achievements and chatting with you too

[near tapir]

Got any tips for fector's challenge? im trying to finish stardew achievements before factorio space age

[sage whale]

I just used mod

[quiet rampart]

if you're not entirely against "cheating" in any way, you can save scum by finishing a level, exiting, and sleeping. that way resetting the day will reset your progress to the last save point if you died

there are also some specific ways of cheesing bosses

fector in particular is very cheesable

[near tapir]

how about upgrade strategy? which order for the upgrades and stuff

[quiet rampart]

damage is the best (kind of obvious since it's the most expensive lol)

I do damage 1, firerate 1, damage 2 and firerate 2 in that order usually

[trim plinth]

serach for shepard's messages, someone explained to him all the strats

[quiet rampart]

if RNG blesses you, go for more damage

[rose knoll]

Yeah - DMG 1 DMG 2 Fire Rate 1 (Fire Rate 2 OR Movement 1)

Skip shops if you don't have enough money, and reset if you don't get 15 coins by shop 1

[near tapir]

Thanks. I will at least try to beat it normally before savescumming, lol

[rose knoll]

And Fector is the easiest fight in the game if you take the right powerup

[near tapir]

the bosses in general are pretty easy. mob swarms are much more difficult

ofc the biggest enemy is rng... you never get drops when you want them

[quiet rampart]

always keep a combat item on hand

[rose knoll]

Yeah - the first two are just irritating to not get greedy on

[undone bridge]

what is moss used for?

[raw swallow]

deluxe bait, or you suffer and save for 333 for a cool statue

[undone bridge]

is that like later game

also when is green rain day

[trim plinth]

also mushroom logs

[raw swallow]

i think a few times during the summer
yeah the statue part is later game oh that too ^^

or is it only once during the summer (maybe i’m not a good help-giver)

[undone bridge]

ooo thats a good one

[rose knoll]

One random day during the summer - there's only like 8? days it can trigger

[undone bridge]

im on day 11

there meant to be a thunderstorm tomorrow would that be it?

[trim plinth]

you can see it on tv the day before

[rose knoll]

5 6 7 14 15 16 18 23

Only days it can spawn

[undone bridge]

oh :(

[trim plinth]

Also be sure to plant tree seeds right before it happens

[rose knoll]

The TV will make it blatantly obvious (Also, generally I find a later green rain is better because you can take advantage of having more space)

[undone bridge]

why?

[trim plinth]

bc it's a massive aoe tree fertilizer

all your trees might grow adult in one single night and you get even more moss

[undone bridge]

oh wow ok

[trim plinth]

Moss is the real goal. Fiber is nice, but there are other means to get it. Moss is the real treasure, because otherwise it is very tedious to get some, unless you have a massive tree farm

on year 1, it can also make sense to cut a few fern trees, since they are nice to process

If you have mahogany seeds and plant them, you could have a hardwood farm in a single day maybe never need to cut hardwood from the secret woods anymore

To cut weeds on the grain rain day, use speed boost meals + triple expresso if available, use weapons that hit fast instead of strong(the insect blade is decent at it with its +4 speed).

[hollow ivy]

is smapi mobile not compatible with sv latest version (1.5.6.52) yet?

[rich lake]

Nope

[hollow ivy]

[hollow ivy]

no alternatives or ways around it with older versions?

[rich lake]

I don't even think there's anyone working on that rn

[rich lake]

Not legally

!androidsmapi

[unkempt dome]

Android SMAPI does not currently work for versions of SDV past 1.5.6.39. We do not know if or when it will be made compatible. It is not possible to downgrade to .39 through legal means so do not ask how to do this.

Many mods are broken or buggy. That's often something Android SMAPI needs to fix, and we may not be able to provide a solution.

To use this command, type !androidsmapi.

[hollow ivy]

[undone bridge]

what is the best tree to be around mushroom logs

pine right?

[hushed hare]

mystic

[woven tusk]

Pine generates chanterelles, though tbh I'd accept the morels from oaks since I can also tap the oaks for resin.

Mystic is indeed strongest, though hard to get a lot of them

[undone bridge]

sorry i meant for early game

[hushed hare]

yeah, Pine trees in this case would be the best

and if you leave them untouched long enough, they'll also produce moss

[unborn quartz]

I've made a spreadsheet to test patterns out, if you're interested

[undone bridge]

ooo yes please

[unborn quartz]

I'll DM it to you if it's alright?

[woven tusk]

Shroom Logs and Tappers are learned at the same level, though...

[undone bridge]

oh sorry i have all that turned off

its ok dw about it

[unborn quartz]

I need to transfer it to a Google Doc spreadsheet, it would be easier to share

[woven tusk]

The worrisome thing is that it would be hard to make shroom logs that early. Hardwood and moss.

Extremely unlikely to see any moss until the first summer, and hardwood is never easy to get in large quantities

[unborn quartz]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1b26KBfhMkmwve3f38eYcCdYG7Lt_-12fKMj7XzdAhU8/edit?usp=sharing
I've transfered it to google spreadsheet; remember to clone it into your own drive or download it, don't directly modify it else no one will be able to use it

[undone bridge]

thanks!

what should i do with squash

[sage whale]

jar them maybe?

[woven tusk]

Could also eat them for energy if you didn't save your Salmonberries

[leaden stratus]

Until walnut room

[woven tusk]

Context was earlygame, walnut room is endgame

[leaden stratus]

Yeah makes sense

Moss is just hard to get outside of green rain/tapper farm

Hardwood depends on how early you can get to secret woods

[woven tusk]

What's more, spending hardwood on this means not spending it on a Stable for the horse, or possibly not having enough for the Ginger Island boat

[leaden stratus]

Or raccoon house

[woven tusk]

Oh yeah! That's why I didn't have enough for the boat!

[leaden stratus]

Oh boy it's sure going to be fun chopping down hundreds of mahogany trees and giant stumps on my trash can only 25% profit margin run lmao

I'm going get level 20 in foraging

[woven tusk]

Every farmer is an axe murderer, to a tree

[leaden stratus]

True

You are tree = you are dead

Every farmer in early game

[tough remnant]

Chair exploiting into the secret woods to get an early mahogany seed from the slimes there is probably the go-to if you want mass hardwood in the "early game"

Get a mahogany tree on your farm, and it can spread seeds naturally

[woven tusk]

Just need it to grow

[patent wind]

got some cutseen where linus was taking a happy bath in the river while it was winter lol

[leaden stratus]

He's boosting his immune system

[woven tusk]

Ice bath challenge: wildman edition

[sacred river]

Forest farm

[woven tusk]

Hm, maybe! How many stumps were on it again?

[leaden stratus]

Hardwood is the only reason I'm choosing forest farm on my next run lol

[quiet rampart]

9 iirc

[leaden stratus]

I think 8

[quiet rampart]

wait is it 8?

[leaden stratus]

4 higher and 4 lower

[woven tusk]

That's still more than the secret woods has, so daily hardwood income is more than doubled. Nice.

[quiet rampart]

hmm yeah I think it's 8

[leaden stratus]

And 200 free foraging exp

With only copper axe

[woven tusk]

That leaves the moss.
Did the Forest Farm allow for planting tree seeds in those "grass carpet" tiles?

Because then we can at least get a gazillion trees up to collect moss on Green Rain day

[leaden stratus]

Used standard farm last attempt and it was a bad idea lmao

[woven tusk]

The Foraging farm (Forest) for the Foraging playstyle (early shroom logs). I should've realized that sooner.

[quiet rampart]

I'm pretty sure yes, and you can chop down most of the bushes

[woven tusk]

This might just work, then

[leaden stratus]

Who is going to test it now?

[quiet rampart]

not me

[woven tusk]

I call Not It

[leaden stratus]

Wait... I might try doing that on my run lol

Moss and hardwood don't require money

Only to upgrade axe

This might just work as an early/mid game passive money maker for me

[woven tusk]

...Heh.
Shrooms used to be an active early/midgame money maker, back when legacy randomization made shroom floors in the mine super predictable and before they were limited to one visit per day

[leaden stratus]

Shrooms are back

So back they're going into the trash can

[woven tusk]

"It's a compliment! Really!"

[violet zephyr]

Does anyone have an optimal/best mushroom log setup?

[tough remnant]

Is depends on scale really

[south canyon]

Is green rain only once a year?

[hazy garden]

Once each summer

5, 6, 7, 14, 15, 16, 18, 23 are the possible days

[unborn quartz]

It depends on which mushroom you want, I've sent a link to a spreadsheet allowing you to test patterns out earlier

[unborn quartz]

This one

[solar idol]

I don't have the layout on me, but I've been slowly growing a mystic tree mushroom log setup in my quarry space

[tough remnant]

Optimal is one of these two. Replace the crystal tiles with whatever your tree of choice is - mystic is generally best.

Grid pattern gets higher mushroom quality and has a higher density of trees, which is good since mystic syrup sells for a ton, but snake pattern has a higher density of mushroom logs (and is a lot more convenient to harvest)

[leaden stratus]

gonna save this for later use

[tough remnant]

In both cases, the farm gets more efficient the larger you scale it

I should probably crunch some actual numbers on expected values for those patterns at some point

But CBF right now, mushroom log maths is hard... or at least, tedious

I believe grid pattern generates higher income per tile if you sell raw and use mystic trees, and snake pattern is better if you process most mushrooms

But since mushroom logs and mystic trees can go off-farm, they're actually kinda competing with machines for space, which means the usual "ignore processing machines for g/d calculations" doesn't work

[fathom sundial]

I have a question about the grid pattern, would you not be able to remove the top row of trees on each row and compact it further that way?

[tough remnant]

That's basically what snake pattern is, you just swap each other tree with the adjacent mushroom log to ensure that every log in the middle of the pattern has 12 trees in range

[fathom sundial]

ah I forgot it's not just directly adjecent trees

[tough remnant]

Snake pattern is better for most purposes TBH, but grid pattern has some advantages too

Just compacting the grid pattern like results in some logs only having 8 trees in range, which means they're not guaranteed to generate 5 mushrooms

Oh yeah, grid pattern is also much more likely to generate iridium quality than snake pattern

Which is good if you're using purple mushrooms for healing

[rancid iron]

May I know if it's a good idea to this mushroom log pattern on my farm in my first year?
or it's recommended to only do this after a few years?

[tough remnant]

I wouldn't do it on the farm, personally

[trim onyx]

i’m so flipping excited for my first green rain i can’t EVEN

[turbid tartan]

i cant wait for 1.6 to come out on consoles so i can get the alleyway buffet book

i want the garbage hat so bad 😭

[leaden stratus]

17/18 days left (depends on your time zone)

[south canyon]

So... apparently you can put rice into a keg to make vinegar.. and if you don't want moss to grow on a specific tree (from ||green rain, etc||), you can apply it to said tree and it won't grow on it anymore 0.0

[turbid tartan]

i knowwww im so excited

[leaden stratus]

for me it's going to be a week late bday gift lol

[opal terrace]

yes that's a thing and also you can just buy vinegar

and also no need to spoiler green rain, this is the spoiler channel after all

[south canyon]

I just never knew you could make it

I wasn't sure just wanted to be careful thank you!

[leaden stratus]

because you couldn't until 1.6

[opal terrace]

you also couldn't put it on trees until 1.6.4

[leaden stratus]

1.6 is a blessing

[turbid tartan]

like 17.5 days for me until the start of nov 4, and then however long until the update actually drops

[south canyon]

I just started playing during this update so it's all new to me

[warped cipher]

Are there better uses for omni-geodes after the update?

[hushed hare]

I guess buying artifact troves with omni geodes is now even better with the new book

but like a new use? I don't believe there is

and that might also depend on your mining profession which is more profitable

one minor buff is that the geode crusher no longer uses coal to open them

[warped cipher]

I have over 1.3k omnis

[hushed hare]

that's 1.3k coal saved

[warped cipher]

Yup

Altho I just waste time with clint

I have like 1b gold

1.7b I think

[tardy timber]

Int limit soon

[hushed hare]

you can try and use a hopper if you want

works wonders for that type of thing

[warped cipher]

What do you mean

[warped cipher]

I don't know exactly how they work but it's somewhat like minecraft right?

[tardy timber]

Well if you reach 2,147,483,647 your money will reset to 0

[warped cipher]

Like I can put one funneling them in and one taking what comes out right?

[warped cipher]

Oh I will be staying away from thay

[warped cipher]

So the hoppers only funnel in?

[hushed hare]

unfortunately, yes

[warped cipher]

Damn

Welp

[hushed hare]

there could be a mod for that

[warped cipher]

Mobile

[hushed hare]

oh well

[warped cipher]

Rip

[hushed hare]

you're not afraid of spoilers, coming in here?

[warped cipher]

No

I've seen so many already and I've been too excited

Nov 4th

Is the date of peak

[hushed hare]

I'll probably start a new run, just for the Legendaries

[warped cipher]

Nah I refuse

I'm at 100% rn and I plan to start the update on spring 1

Of whatever year I'm at

Tbh I just want the ||raccoons||

Like that's the peak of the update

[rose knoll]

This might be my worst trout derby ever, because I'm cheap and lazy and using the starting rod ha

[deep tusk]

i need the update out now for console 😭 i’ve been dying to make a new farm

but forcing myself to wait

[mellow atlas]

im so eepy

oops wromg channel

im gonn sleep

[odd smelt]

Me too

[lyric sparrow]

Really. Oh, wow. Gotta build me some. Was going to wait until later in the game.

I always have them. Now I don't have to argue with the haters about using coal for them. LOL

[olive sundial]

i feel that. my switch has been rotting on my shelf with nothing new to play

[woven tusk]

And now Clint's letter ("I hope this doesn't make me obsolete") is a little more valid of a suspicion.
Though we still need him for coconuts and troves and mystery boxes, so he still has that going for him

[warped cipher]

Just to clarify (sorry for the ping so long after) does it reset my money entirely or just the number

Like do I lose my money

[woven tusk]

Money rolls back to zero

Bankruptcy

[cunning cove]

F

[hushed glade]

It does repeat yes

[leaden stratus]

Armstrong!?

Should've sliced your heart a few more times

[lyric sparrow]

The Qi quests all repeat.

[feral abyss]

we do be shmooving

[leaden stratus]

Faster!

[twilit briar]

some creepy stuff is ahead of us...

[steady narwhal]

Omg it's bigfoot

[opal terrace]

figboot

[quasi thistle]

cool

[mellow atlas]

Gotta go faster!!! 🏃

[tough remnant]

Or the best hopper setup:

[opal terrace]

I read that as hopper soup

[valid mango]

how come my plants r withering sometimes

[tough remnant]

The source of so many of my lategame materials

[regal ivy]

It's either end of the season, or if you're planting seasonal wild seeds, they just look like that

[valid mango]

nah its not

some of them wither

like 2 in a 180 batch

[regal ivy]

Oh also it might have been lightning

[valid mango]

damn ok

[regal ivy]

Do you have any lightning rods?

[valid mango]

yeah

i have 5

[regal ivy]

10+ is a good amount to be safe

[dreamy gust]

Okay Sonic

[vapid wind]

[stray swift]

this guy buys tackles

[steady narwhal]

We love hopper deconstructor setups

[hushed hare]

what do you have so much of that you need so many deconstructors?

[steady narwhal]

Quick processing times for deconstruction

[tough remnant]

Fishing bobbers bought from Willy. It's my primary source of gold, iron, and hardwood

[pure nymph]

i have uh... cough 32 (or 24 i forgor)

because why not

[hushed hare]

you guys are really bothering with unstackable tackles for common-ish resources?

[pure nymph]

oh no it's for stone

stairs

99 stone per staircase op

[hushed hare]

I mean, me too, but Robin only needs 1000, that's 11 stairs in a week

[tough remnant]

They're not particularly common compared to the rate at which I go through them

It's 5 gold per crystalarium

[leaden stratus]

Most likely not for her special order but buildings/crafting (crystalariums)

[dreamy gust]

Real talk I love how "easily" you can get Magic Rock Candy from the raccoons

They make Skull Cavern Runs so much more bountiful

[quiet rampart]

I personally prefer trading with the desert trader

sure, you only get 1 per week, but I usually don't need more anyway

[hushed hare]

they're not exclusive, and they use different resources for their respective trades

[tough remnant]

MRC is mostly useful for treasure runs anyway

For iridium runs, you don't need the luck

[dreamy gust]

Exactly, iridium is just a side hustle now for money

I really want that Auto-Petter, but all I keep getting is Seeds and Cowboy Hats

[hushed hare]

you could try and open up some of those golden boxes, they might have an autopetter or two

is the raccoon trade also limited?

for MRC

[dreamy gust]

20 golden boxes per candy, but not limited

Also 3 regular boxes for 1 golden

I just pop a monster musk and hit the ice level of the mines with a burglar-lucky ring

I always get around 5-10 boxes per day

[leaden stratus]

it helps but it's minor

[quiet rampart]

good point. I usually open all my mystery boxes though, because who doesn't want to open loot boxes

[leaden stratus]

me

[quiet rampart]

what do you use them for? do you get MRC from them too?

[dreamy gust]

I got the book you can get from them, so now I focus on giving them to the trash pandas

[leaden stratus]

for now I just save them because I haven't unlocked raccoon shop to that level on my main file

[quiet rampart]

ah I see

I might try that too on my current save

[leaden stratus]

I don't feel like opening 250 golden mystery boxes lol

I'm at the point that rewards are pretty much worthless

so more mrc for sc runs is always welcome

[quiet rampart]

but- but it's gambling

how could you resist

[dreamy gust]

So is SC

[leaden stratus]

I have ptsd for gambling on this save file

[dreamy gust]

You never know what's in those treasure rooms

[leaden stratus]

over 1000 fucking mobs to get red cabbage seeds

[dreamy gust]

It could be something good, or it could be another goddamn yeehaw hat

[leaden stratus]

let me rest

[quiet rampart]

I can power through SC with enough prep, I can't power through RNG lmao

[leaden stratus]

I'm being serious right now

[quiet rampart]

and then you see a red cabbage for sale in the travelling cart

fr

[leaden stratus]

1336 to be exact (this amount is counting burglar's always on when killing a mob, my amount of kills is 668)

and that's only serpents + mummies

I have no idea how many purple slime I have killed

so yeah I hate rng

[arctic kindle]

hey yall can i switch from mushroom cave to fruit cave at any time or is it a set thing?

[leaden stratus]

it's set

[arctic kindle]

gotcha

[violet zephyr]

huh???

Where qi at

Is it cause I don't have the note yet...?

and whats that special chest

[normal shell]

yeah

[violet zephyr]

im am such

a goofball

istg if I lose iridium + prismatics im gonna go cry

this always happens to me on good runs

I just forgot about my hp...

And I even brought the elexir

[leaden stratus]

mistake number 1: not looking at hp

[violet zephyr]

Phew

[leaden stratus]

still sucks

gold is good

[violet zephyr]

yea

[lapis sphinx]

I'd say recover the gold. At some point money is no object and you can just buy Shadow Essence from Krobus. If you were dying for emeralds, you would have crystalariums set up already.

[violet zephyr]

No crystallariums yet, and yea its an obvious gold choice here

I don't really need it for now tho, so I guess Ill just let it be there untill I do

[arctic kindle]

Crystallarium’s are not a bad idea, I use it for fire quartz, rubies, and jades

It doesn’t cost too much, just 1 iridium bar, battery pack, and other things idr

[rich lake]

2 bars

And 5 gold ones, 99 stone

[arctic kindle]

What is a good use for emeralds?

Oooohh my bad maybe im thinking of a diff recipe then

[rich lake]

Gift for penny

[arctic kindle]

Oh that’s all

Okay

[nova flame]

i just got quality fertilizer from a mystery box 3 times in a row

[hushed hare]

you can trade them for cheese if you don't have any cows

[final furnace]

name me most important things in new update that are added

[solar idol]

I've gotten a mystery box inside a mystery box 4 times in a row. Then got a mystery shirt as the final item in the chain

[chilly bloom]

Lmao

[lyric sparrow]

I'm hoping that first word is being used as an adjective and not a verb ... 😆

[leaden stratus]

the first one

you killed me inside 💀

[violet zephyr]

damn

[lyric sparrow]

Okay, good edit. LOL

[crude warren]

Finally started my first playthrough of 1.6. Love the meadowlands farm type.

[lyric sparrow]

I took 10 months away and started my first 1.6 with Riverlands for the first time. I thought the size constraints would keep me from my usual over-the-top moneymaking playstyle. It's mostly worked, but I'm still me, so it's not a miraculous transformation. LOL