archived-update-spoilers

[fathom saffron]

yes

[gray oriole]

yes

[pearl crystal]

does it go back or this layout forever

[gray oriole]

completing f120 unlocks new layouts

presumably they work the same as dungeon floors from quarry mine/infested floors

but i haven't really checked

[pearl crystal]

it only changed recently even tho i had floor 120 completed for a while and the quarry has been done for a while too, is that normal

[gray oriole]

have you been exploring every floor of the mine daily?

[pearl crystal]

not daily, but i have farmed some iron and coal in the winter year 1 and it didnt look different, but now its spring year 1 and it looks way different

sorry spring year 2

[gray oriole]

well dungeon floors work the same as infested floors

everyday a few random floors get replaced with dungeon floor type

its determined at the start of the day and stays the same the whole day

if you're farming the same few floors that day and none of them rolled dungeon floor you'd never encounter a dungeon floor

if you're only going to the mines every once in a while, that's a few checks per day out of like 100 possible floors

the new layouts were also only added in 1.6.4 a few days ago so you'd also have to have done those checks since then

[pearl crystal]

that makes sense, i was just really weirded out by it and was like am i going crazy i swear these looked different when i have farmed them in the past

thank you

[gray oriole]

they're way more common in SC since you'd likely be going thru like hundreds of floors in a day for however many days

volcano added a bunch of new layouts too btw if you wanna go poke there

[pearl crystal]

oooo i will poke around there too

its a fun new change, just def threw me off

thats what i get for getting used to floor layouts

[fathom saffron]

oh and reason I have so many mushroom logs is my dehydrators

[gray oriole]

i need to stop trying to minmax

it's killing my sanity

[tough remnant]

Mass looms for shepherd strats are one use

[green gyro]

Extremely dumb question but would it be possible to put the legend in an iridium trash can on day 9?

Multiplayer allowed

[dim oak]

1.6 perfection (first perfection ever)

theres a new text box at the end credits

(i think)... "no joja products used"

[vapid wind]

Oops that wont be me

[green gyro]

Parrot?

[native rain]

With enough glitches anything is possible I think

[green gyro]

Or perfection %

[vapid wind]

Yes lmaooo

[green gyro]

No major glitches

[vapid wind]

I was too lazy towards the end

[green gyro]

Only like animation cancelling

[rotund rain]

the raccoons weren't in the credits, it was sad

[native rain]

No way in hell you pull it off

5 iridium bars without the bus is a really tall order

Let alone all the money it’ll take and getting fishing level 10

[green gyro]

I'd use the bus

[native rain]

But how would you get the bus

[gray oriole]

given you have to upgrade the trash can, no?

its 12 days to upgrade to iridium lmao

[green gyro]

Can't you upgrade it by day 9

Oh

[gray oriole]

no because you need a furnace

[green gyro]

I thought it was like day 1 upgrade is ready day 3

[gray oriole]

and doing that before day 2-3 isn't happening

also good luck getting 25 iridium ore

[green gyro]

So day 14 then

[gray oriole]

idk why you'd trash a legend either

[mental sail]

panning instead of bus?

[green gyro]

Skull cavern day 12 doesn't seem that impossible

With multiplayer joja route

[native rain]

It’s a struggle to get to fishing level 10 before the end of spring as it is

[gray oriole]

the limiting factor for early SC is pickaxe

[native rain]

You’ll also be in multiplayer

[gray oriole]

getting anywhere deep into SC requires bombs

[native rain]

Fishing mini game won’t pause

[green gyro]

Multiplayer allowed as in switch between multi/single for whatever is needed that day

[gray oriole]

acquiring enough bombs to do anything that early on is very difficult

[hoary hatch]

This is my farm
How is it?

[native rain]

You would have to be in multiplayer anyways

Doing mines and fishing level 10 by day 14 solo isn’t happening

[chilly bloom]

Is there some significance with 16?

[gray oriole]

you can hit fishing 10 by like day 6 if you're crazy enough

[native rain]

Key word crazy

[chilly bloom]

You can get about 100 regular bombs a day by just resetting 65,55,45,41 for coal and iron

[native rain]

That’s also just focusing on fishing alone

[green gyro]

It'd be split between the two

[hoary hatch]

I made it to commemorate the 1.6 update

[green gyro]

Fishing would be focused early on until the mines open

[gray oriole]

you start farming 65/55 for bombs with a steel pickaxe?

[mental sail]

missed the decimal lake :D

[chilly bloom]

Or copper

[gray oriole]

isn't it like 3 hits to break a rock at that point

[chilly bloom]

Don’t really need a strong pickaxe ngl

[native rain]

What does the powder melon signify

[gray oriole]

how do you even reach floor 65 in 1 day

[mental sail]

one step chattier than noob

[chilly bloom]

2 for regular rocks but I’m only mining nodes, I’ll bomb clusters too

[chilly bloom]

Upgrade pick on day 2 for the copper day 5 and focus on food early and it’s not bad

[gray oriole]

you acquire 45 copper and 20 stone by day 2??

[chilly bloom]

I’ve gotten level 95 on day 5 for a challenge before though anyone could get 40-50 with some practice

[chilly bloom]

Buying it

[green gyro]

You can buy it with clay farming

[gray oriole]

i'd consider that a glitch

[chilly bloom]

You can get the stone from the farm though it’s a waste of time

[native rain]

Eh

More of an exploit

[green gyro]

I'm allowing glitches just not completely game breaking ones

[chilly bloom]

It’s a lot harder but not impossible to do with fishing

[green gyro]

Like I'm not going to clip out of bounds to mine early or something

[chilly bloom]

What do you need early sc for anyway?

[rich trellis]

wondering the source of this splosh splosh sound that had been appearing and disappearing and when i figure out what it is it's just my fatass frog

[gray oriole]

he wants iridium trashcan by day 12

or something

[chilly bloom]

Why

[green gyro]

14

[gray oriole]

idk

ask him

[green gyro]

Challenge run

[chilly bloom]

You’ll have to explain a little further than that ngl

[native rain]

Something about trashing the legend

[chilly bloom]

On the 14th specifically?

[native rain]

Speaking of legend, I should try that “catch all fish in a day” run

[gray oriole]

you also have to be fishing instead of mining so u can fish up legend

[green gyro]

Earliest iridium can isn't it

[native rain]

Said the 9th earlier

But that’s impossible

[gray oriole]

i was wrong earlier btw its 6 days to upgrade the can

[green gyro]

6?

[chilly bloom]

No, 2 days each that’s the 10th or smt

[gray oriole]

i accidentally counted the 3rd day

[green gyro]

Yeah that's what I thought first

In that case definitely not possible

[gray oriole]

copper -> iron, 2 days
iron -> gold, 2 days
gold -> iridium, 2 days

[native rain]

But what about base to copper

[green gyro]

Does copper not take time to upgrade

[chilly bloom]

Have to go plain to copper tho

[gray oriole]

oh wait base is iron not copper

ok 8 days then

[chilly bloom]

Base is plain

Which is the 10th when you upgrade on the 2nd

[native rain]

If you had the materials by default day 10 would be the minimum

[green gyro]

That's probably not doable then

[native rain]

Since you need the furnace cutscene

[green gyro]

14 would be much more doable

[chilly bloom]

It’s plenty doable

[gray oriole]

you also have to be fishing 10

[chilly bloom]

Challenging tho

Could be made easier through a few methods

[native rain]

Also have to force rain

[restive laurel]

What

[gray oriole]

well we can just assume using a seed where it rains on the latest possible time you're allowing

[native rain]

Fair

[chilly bloom]

If you’re seeding just seed a cart with 5 iridium bars from cart sometime and a fish taco on day 1

That means you only need level 8 and no desert

[green gyro]

You could pray for a fish taco I think

[chilly bloom]

Even a trout soup means 5k less experience

[green gyro]

Wait since when could 5 iridium bars show up in cart

[chilly bloom]

And you can just buy it

[gray oriole]

always?

[chilly bloom]

Always

[green gyro]

Isn't it limited to 1

[gray oriole]

its 1 or 5 of "standard" stock, iridium isn't an exception

[green gyro]

Oh

[chilly bloom]

Only things limited to 1 are stuff like furniture

[green gyro]

I guess it's just a coincidence then

[gray oriole]

so you just need 15k gold by friday/sunday I guess

[green gyro]

I've seen it a ton of times but it's always been 1

[chilly bloom]

Because 5 in general is rarer

Most of the time you get a stack of 1

[chilly bloom]

That’s quite easy with just fishing, only trouble would be no clay farming day 2 upgrade

As fishing for the cash and having time to smelt sucks

Could just hope for a diamond or smt from a chest

Keep resetting for that

[green gyro]

Can't you just leave a furnace next to you while fishing

[chilly bloom]

Yeah but you have to buy it all in time

[gray oriole]

smelting gold takes a while

5h per gold bar

[chilly bloom]

Smelting gold isn’t even part of the question tho

You a bit confused?

We’re talking about day 2 rn

[gray oriole]

i'm not

i'm just pointing out its another 15k gold you also need around the same time you need to buy the iridium

[green gyro]

Yeah that seems pretty hard without clay farming

[gray oriole]

subtracted by however much ore you fish up i guess

[chilly bloom]

That doesn’t really have anything to do with the time to smelt tho

Also you can always just make more furnaces

[green gyro]

That means you'd need like 4k gold by 1 pm day 2

[gray oriole]

it takes almost 2 days to smelt the ore so you have to start buying the ore 2 days before the upgrade to gold trash can is due

you can add more furnaces, but you're also adding more money to the tally

[chilly bloom]

No? Only about 2.5k

You can make the 1k for the upgrade itself when smelting

Kinda rough tho

[green gyro]

75 * 45 + 5 * 150

[chilly bloom]

🤦‍♀️

Didn’t remember furnace lol

[green gyro]

Seems like it'd force clay farming

[chilly bloom]

You have 650 on day 1, day 1 is probably just forage harvesting and chopping trees for maybe 1k

That’s about 3k to make in 6 hours of fishing

[green gyro]

Seems very rough

[chilly bloom]

You could use the fish taco day 2

Just use a trout soup for legend

[gray oriole]

how are you getting the fish taco? foraging trash cans?

[chilly bloom]

You’ll have level 9 by day 10 if constantly fishing anyway

Gus trash

We’re assuming seeded at this point

[green gyro]

Yeah going to skull for the iridium would be impossible

[chilly bloom]

Much harder at least

[green gyro]

Or near impossible anyways

[gray oriole]

if you include SC into the mix I think you need almost 100kg total

[maiden fiber]

Mystery boxes

[gray oriole]

I might be wrong though

[gray oriole]

mystery boxes, on day 2?

[olive patio]

also Gus's trash

[green gyro]

Especially 45k extra by day 6

[maiden fiber]

I can’t remember when I got one but it was pretty early

[green gyro]

If you want the time to actually smelt the iridium

[chilly bloom]

About that yeah, like 20k for the trash can, 45k for joja vault and membership, and then for basic food, trash can upgrades early

Honestly it’s probably best to not mine at all

Just fish for the cash and buy everything

[gray oriole]

I don't think you can acquire mystery boxes at all until you acquire your 2nd prize ticket or 50 days into the save

[chilly bloom]

You could even seed more rain for catfishing

[gray oriole]

barring maybe 1-2 exceptions

wait no

the earliest is day 15 without prize tickets

desertfes sells mystery boxes

[chilly bloom]

you could play mobile for save states, I’ve made like 30k fishing on day 3 on mobile using them

Though more like 22-24k when accounting for the fact that you want to trash the legend

[green gyro]

I wonder if you could rely on a fish stew/dish o the sea from mystery boxes with seeding

[gray oriole]

That just introduces you back into needing vault done

It takes 6 daily quests or 3 daily quests and an axe upgrade/chair clip to access mystery boxes

Thats a lot of time chasing down npcs and various misc items instead of fishing

[chilly bloom]

^

[proud wave]

i declare the war against mr.qi and his evil plans with my huge plantation of pinaples

[gray oriole]

The only time mr qi can be “fought” is if u break into the summit early

[nimble turtle]

are you using 25 iridium sprinklers and 5 quality for ginger island?

also is it better to dehydrate ancient fruit or should that be made into wine and dehydrate starfruit?

[chilly bloom]

Starfruit is worth more than ancient fruit

So it’s better to keg the former

[nimble turtle]

k thanks 🙂

[hidden ore]

what's in all the sheds though? half kegs half starfruit with deluxe retaining soil?

[hoary hatch]

A total of 11645 crystalariums are in 85 sheds

[proud wave]

25 iridium sprinklers, all bought from krobus my child

[native rain]

Was crafting not on the table, or do you also think Krobus deserves all of the money

[proud wave]

both

i mean, why wasting usefull iridium and batteries when u have krobus

he deserves it

[nimble turtle]

i can kinda see your point 🙂

[proud wave]

??????????????????????????

why did my mistic tree sudenly transformed into a mushroom tree

[nimble turtle]

thats cute 🙂

[proud wave]

why

[hidden ore]

put tappers on them to protect them (and also for the good stuff they provide)

[proud wave]

it grew the last day.....

i cant believe that mystic trees can really turn on mushrooms

i mean, they are " m y s t i c "

they should be able to change!

[nimble turtle]

can you dehydrate sweet gems?

[hidden ore]

I don't know if that is intended behaviour or a bug, you could report it as such and see

[proud wave]

the mystic tree counts as a tree, so that isnt a bug

[hidden ore]

it's not a common tree though (oak, maple, pine)

[proud wave]

cant mahogany trees turn in to mushrooms?

[hidden ore]

hmm maybe. but they don't have the same cost to produce as the mystic trees; you can just get seed drops from various sources, like the secret wood slimes. and they also spread by seed drops, unlike mystic trees

[proud wave]

i have a huge farm of mahogany but still

imagine some new guy with his tree

and the next day its a mushroom

[hidden ore]

if you plant one mahogany tree, don't fertilize it, and it becomes a mushroom tree after months, that would be pretty sad. but by then you probably have a stack of seeds and can just put new ones down in a patch

and save the mushroom tree and tap it

[rose oxide]

sunfish frenzy?

[wooden oyster]

Basically bubbles but sunfish-specific.

[native rain]

That’s an incredibly unfortunate one to get

[wooden oyster]

I think it increases a high incidence of sunfish. But doesn’t mean you don’t catch other fish too? Not sure.

[native rain]

Unless you want to make a ton of whatever recipe uses em

[native rain]

If you fish in the spot you just get a metric shit ton of sunfish

The only problem is, they’re sunfish

[hidden ore]

could turn into a lot of sashimi

[wooden oyster]

Right. I hope my 1.6 file when it comes to console will be largemouth bass on like day 4. 😂

[native rain]

That’s more like it

There’s some real money to be made there

[rose oxide]

bubbles but river carp specific lol

[wooden oyster]

Lol basically. 😂

[rose oxide]

so somethign i can safely ignore lol

[wooden oyster]

Yeah unless you want a bunch of sunfish!

[native rain]

Just realized your mailman must hate you lol

[wooden oyster]

Also apergos said sashimi. That’s a good idea too.

[hidden reef]

Uhhhhh can ordinary trees just randomly transform into green rain trees in fall

like, without green rain

[maiden fiber]

Yeah lol

[rose oxide]

:)

[hidden reef]

one of the maple trees I planted in my farm randomly transformed into a green rain tree

[hidden reef]

Oh huh

Wild

[maiden fiber]

Not sure if that was intended but it turns back after a while

[surreal scaffold]

is this a new layout or a glitch?

never seen multiple cases + diff floor coverings

[maiden fiber]

Lmfao definitely bugged

[surreal scaffold]

yeah i was like tf is this

[clear bay]

The extra coal bags arent a bug im pretty sure

but the floor is strange

[surreal scaffold]

if those coal things were full tho hoooooo boy

[vapid wind]

Damn so many coal bags

[surreal scaffold]

weird thing to find grinding out skellys / a quest

maybe cuz i havent updated all mods? idk

[clear bay]

likely

[surreal scaffold]

i found diff layouts on floors on all mines and no weird floors

the sword one on volcano was my fav so far

[summer flume]

i saw someone with this exact glitch the other day but they had mods too

[surreal scaffold]

i dont have many mods

polyam, CJB cheats, and fish nets of all things

[pulsar stump]

My cousin got a similar layout a few days ago! With all the coal bags that is

[surreal scaffold]

i’m guessing the multiple coal bags is a feature, but the diff colored floor/weird placed barrels is the glitch

[bleak current]

yes, the coal bags is a feature (they are minecarts on other tilesets) but void floor is either a mod problem or a bug

[surreal scaffold]

anyways. 15 of them. and they’re all empty. why don’t you just punch me in the face instead mr ape

I need coal GAH

[mellow atlas]

i think clint has some coal for sale

[glacial zephyr]

best place to get mods?

[feral abyss]

about to try ad take on the skull cavern with a bone sword and iron pick

[glacial zephyr]

id did it with less lol

hard tho

[feral abyss]

LEROOOOY JENKINS

[wooden oyster]

That’s actually not bad lol.

I remember going in there with those two. Just bring some additional stuff. Like bombs for clusters, food, spicy eel, etc.

[feral abyss]

level 54 before being double teamed by serpents

[manic needle]

anyone know if smoked fish gives more points during the fair?

[sonic skiff]

it counts for the artisan good category, not for the fish category

[mental grove]

did you know that the raccoon turns around if you clip into his house?

that is all, good day

[manic needle]

do you know if it gives more points than a regular fish tho? (example, would a smoked iridium albacore give more points than just an iridium albacore)

[sonic skiff]

i imagine it would, probably 8 points

you can use https://mouseypounds.github.io/stardew-fair-helper/ to see (smoked fish shows up as undefined [mod], like all other 1.6 stuff)

[fathom saffron]

yay racoon's friend 😄

[manic needle]

il give that a try thanks

..ok turns out it gives 20

just done a test run with only the smoked fish to see how much it is easier.. wasnt expecting 20

oh wait nvm isnt there a base point of 14 given automatically

ignore that

[high creek]

Yeah, + 5 points for having a catagory

-7 for only 1 item though

I'm not sure if Smoked fish counts as Fish or Artisan though

[manic needle]

i know it atleast counts as artisan but benefits from both angler and artisan selling buffs

idk if they would both affect the point stuff tho

[simple oriole]

guys can someone explain the fishing frenzy

[manic needle]

i already reset my original first day of this to test if it would do more so im gonna smoke all my fish for this and see if i get more than i originally did

[simple oriole]

i have 8 prismatic shards do i putt them all in and an aged star fruit wine

[rapid wedge]

is there something wrong with secret notes? i cant seem to view them after the recent update.

[simple oriole]

have you tried both

both clickies

[rapid wedge]

yes. even tried to restart the game. still cant view them. but i can view journal from ginger island tho

[simple oriole]

i'd just pop them in a chest for now

ask ape he'll look into it

ape is a good man like that

[rapid wedge]

they're in a separate chest

[simple oriole]

good man

[rapid wedge]

yeah, just hoping that someone has a similar issue here

[simple oriole]

idk if i have 6.4 because im on xbox gamepass

it took a week for me to get 1.6 overall

[rapid wedge]

im on steam

[rapid wedge]

oh damn

[sonic skiff]

yeah steam is on 1.6.5 right now

idk if gamepass is quite up to date yet

[simple oriole]

i haven't encountered any problems

i married emily

[sonic skiff]

the problem is mostly if you want to play multiplayer with non-gamepass players

since you need to have matching version

(and obv all the crashes that might happen that got patched in later versions)

[nimble turtle]

has it always been 200 hardwood to repair willy's boat i thought it was a 100

[manic needle]

ok i got way more (my original run for it with unsmoked fish got 88, wasnt able to smoke all the fish since i only have one smoker and id be late for the fair if i didnt leave just then)

[south sedge]

i want to make a screenshot while kissing my wife

i use the Windows key + print button

but it doesnt show us kissing

[sonic skiff]

you can try using f12 for steam screenshot? that might be faster?

[south sedge]

ah okay

[obtuse crescent]

heyoh, i've been playing one of my farms for a solid season since the update came out, but like my tree farms in both ginger island and ginger island have not produced one bit of moss. just kinda confused since the only way ive been getting the moss is inside my house

[gray oriole]

Trees have to be past a certain age to produce moss it seems like?

Looks to be about 1 season old

[obtuse crescent]

i dunno cause those trees were before the update for like a solid 2 seasons

so just kinda confused

[gray oriole]

Yes but i dont think that stat was tracked before this update

[obtuse crescent]

ok cheers

[gray oriole]

Im not exactly certain how it works, to be clear

Its just super noticeable on a new savefile

No trees will produce moss at all for most of spring y1

[humble bloom]

my trees just started after the green rain

[gray oriole]

But you’ll see moss growing on some trees almost as soon as y2 spring starts

[obtuse crescent]

ok

my normal trees on my farm do produce moss though so it's just a bit confusing

[gray oriole]

Like I’m just assuming its an age requirement, i could honestly be wrong

Not sure anyone has dug thru the code yet to check how moss works?

[obtuse crescent]

moss rates be kinda funni

[gray oriole]

Or if they have, they never updated the wiki or spread the info

[humble bloom]

maybe its just that it cant grow in ginger island?

[gray oriole]

Just noticed u listed ginger island twice yeah

Where did u mean to say the 2nd farm was located

[obtuse crescent]

like i've got a 'tree farm' (just a big area with trees) in both ginger island and the desert

but i know it grows in the desert, since my old save file had moss grow there

[gray oriole]

Iirc there’s a penalty to moss growth rate on summer sunny day

[obtuse crescent]

so it's kinda confusing when it just flat out disappears

[gray oriole]

Idk if GI counts as perpetually summer or not

So that might have an impact too

[obtuse crescent]

yeah maybe so

[gray oriole]

Ive been putting my tree farms in railroad atm and it seems fine

Would be rly nice if someone actually dug up what moss is doing exactly tho

I lied

Someone updated the wiki since i last checked, fabulous

So apparently trees continue maturing past stage 5, up to stage 15

At which point they will start dropping moss

So its like 15 days to start making moss from a seed if using fertilizer i guess?

Can u fertilize a mature tree to make it grow moss faster?

Regardless, its 10% chance/day to grow moss at stage 15

20% if raining

3.3% if summer

Oh geez, if GI counts as summer it sucks for moss

[obtuse crescent]

damn thats lower than i thought it was

but i mean it aint too bad

[gray oriole]

If there is a green rain tree present, all trees in a 5x5 area bypass the stage 15 requirement and can start growing moss as soon as they mature? If im reading this right

[obtuse crescent]

ill just use my trees on the farm

[gray oriole]

Huh

I should use the mossy seeds ive been holding onto

Hm

[fathom pulsar]

what is moss used for?

[gray oriole]

Fiddleferns give 7 foraging xp when harvested

[gray oriole]

A lot of new recipes use it

Almost all of which are extremely powerful items

So its kinda really desirable to farm

Notably challenge bait which gives x3 fish on perfect catches

[fathom pulsar]

oooh

[gray oriole]

Treasure totems which spawn a ring of 18 artifact spots

Mushroom logs for farming mushrooms

[sharp slate]

moss just kinda grows on its own

I have an oak resin farm thats had no such touching it they started spreading moss

[gray oriole]

Please read the rest of the conversation

[sharp slate]

nuh uh

[gray oriole]

Shoo then

[sharp slate]

[tiny torrent]

Has the hammer build changed with 1.6?

[mellow atlas]

yoo my alcohol collection

i dk if i miss anything

[crystal copper]

i have a quetion about 1.6 green rain,
i read in the wiki the trees that turned into mossy tree will be turned back the next day,
will the mossy tree that randomly spawn also gone the next day?

[sharp slate]

well I recognize powdermelon so I think you got them?

[sharp slate]

yes, trees and grass spawned during the event despawn the next day

but not pre-existing ones

[crystal copper]

what do you mean pre-existing ones? the one we planted?

[sharp slate]

yeah

[crystal copper]

okay thanks a lot

[mellow atlas]

yeah got it

i also got some regular wine

that you can get from shopping cart

[sharp slate]

theres 27 fruit in the game

have you made Qi fruit wine?

[mellow atlas]

daaamn

i have to do it

[sharp slate]

yeah looks like you're missing Qi fruit

just counted

[mellow atlas]

and i miss qi fruit jam

thanks a lot

[sharp slate]

no problem

I know CA thought this was funny

[mellow atlas]

how many vegetables are in the game?

27 too?

[tall sparrow]

Hi ! Is there an in-game way (without mods or external tools to analyze my savefile) in Stardew 1.6 to check your current XP in any of the five skills ? The grind from level 9 to level 10 is so long that I really think it would be beneficial to see where I'm at x.x
I don't think there was a way to do this in-game in 1.5 but I don't know if one was added in 1.6

[sonic skiff]

26 i think?

[sharp slate]

I counted 26

[sonic skiff]

tea leaves are a vegetable

[sharp slate]

yep

@mellow atlas if you're collecting every "artisan good", don't forget every type of honey

theres a type for each flower

[mellow atlas]

yeah i collect them too

[sharp slate]

nice

every aged row and dehydrator item?

[mellow atlas]

only started

[sharp slate]

so, technically, you can get roe for the legendary fish but you have to be extremely lucky (and definitely save scum)

[mellow atlas]

i'll get only of new legendary fish

since i have all fish already

and i thing i'll skip smoked fish

[sharp slate]

ah guess you also missed out on smoked iridium legendary fish too, cuz you can get triple legendaries of iridium quality with quality bobber and challenge bait

I did it in my most recent farm

you use the blessing of water

[mellow atlas]

there was a bug in 1.6 where you could get seaweed roe

[sharp slate]

I wouldn't count that

[mellow atlas]

i guess it's no longer obtainable

i think i'll skip smoked fish

it is not beatiful

i think i should get now every type of mayo too

[sharp slate]

mayo should be easy

don't forget ostritches make normal mayo

not a special type

[mellow atlas]

that is unsorted artisan goods now

[sharp slate]

ostritch eggs can get iridium mayo tho

if that matters for you

[mellow atlas]

i miss a lot of juices i guess

in comparison to preservatives

and i should also try my luck to get regular juice regular jam and regular preservatives if they are obtainable

i got regular wine and regular honey already

there are 26 veggies i guess in the game

[hushed glade]

the fact that qi fruit jelly even sells is crazy

[sharp slate]

its cuz preserve jars give an increased base price of 50g

pretty funny actually

of course roe doesn't get that privilege

[hushed glade]

The one time where Jelly will outsell Wine

[tough remnant]

Wait how?

Explain

I desire this forbidden roe

[sharp slate]

I checked and it actually does for base quality hot pepper, blackberry, and salmonberry wine

[hushed glade]

Salmonberry wine

[sharp slate]

their prices are so low that the base increase from jelly pushes it over

yes

salmonberry wine

second worst wine in the game cuz qi fruit exists

[mellow atlas]

i saw it on youtube...

[hushed glade]

Seaweed roe is crazy

[sharp slate]

@mellow atlas @tough remnant I googled it and it was the damn Dulse Seaweed from stardew valley expanded

[tough remnant]

Do you know where?

[mellow atlas]

maybe i could find it

[sharp slate]

I just explained it

[mellow atlas]

no it was regular

share me the link of what you have found

in dms or wherever

[sharp slate]

reddit

the only things I had come up when googling "stardew seaweed roe"

nothing at all about normal seaweed

[mellow atlas]

hmm idk

i can't find a video

[tough remnant]

Can you check your viewing history or something?

[mellow atlas]

yeah i do it rn

[sharp slate]

youtube does have a history function

[wary quiver]

has anyone gotten the new mines layout?

i keep getting the same ones

[jagged orchid]

whats a sea cucumber frenzy i just got a notif for it lol

[sharp slate]

go fishing at the ocean, theres gonna be a fuck ton of sea cucumbers

I think you should focus bubble spots cuz iirc more spawn during a frenzy

[jagged orchid]

ahh

idrc but just curious

[mellow atlas]

i didn't find it yet

😦

i just want to check maybe it was really a dulse seaweed roe

[sharp slate]

watch it be dulse seaweed and its just the human brain doing a funny™️

[mellow atlas]

but i thought there was just literally seaweed roe

it is like literally the energy drink + life saver drink

what are they doing out there

[sharp slate]

dehydrated ancient fruit?

[mellow atlas]

yeah

is there a food that gives +4 farming or only +3?

[sharp slate]

once I can start making it consistently, the food source I settle on for the rest of the game is pumpkin soup

high stats, +2 luck, +2 defense

[robust spoke]

whats the point of +farming?

[sharp slate]

qi seasoned farmer's lunch

[sharp slate]

higher quality crops, quality is determined by skill + fertilizer

[robust spoke]

I see

[mellow atlas]

my first iriridum starfruit

[woven tusk]

The skill level is checked at the moment of harvest

[sharp slate]

deluxe fertilizer gets funny with farming buffs

[woven tusk]

So you can eat a +Farming food right before a big harvest if it's something like Sweet Gem Berries

[tidal axle]

question: does rerolling innate enchantments only work in the actual forge and not the craftable one from combat mastery

[woven tusk]

(i.e. one you won't, or can't, process)

[sharp slate]

should do it for every harvest unless 100% of it is getting processed

cuz farmer's lunch is SUPER easy to make

[tidal axle]

question would it be better to make rows of gem berries with fertilizer or speed gro?

[mellow atlas]

if i plant starfruit on summer 14 will i get harvest?

[sharp slate]

just make ancient fruit tbh

[woven tusk]

I would use fertilizer, if only for not having to figure out what else to plant there that fall

[molten turret]

they're both forges

[sharp slate]

yes, also like all of this is on the wiki

[woven tusk]

14+13=27
So you will harvest on day 27

[sharp slate]

wiki...

[mellow atlas]

he ordered a fucking chair

[sharp slate]

hes so real for that

[woven tusk]

He's helpiiiiiing

[sharp slate]

with only deluxe speed-gro you can get 3 harvests per season

3 per season is the max you can get

hyper speed grow + agriculturalist is sadly a single day off from 4 in a season

[tidal axle]

but i tried it and it didnt work

maybe somethings wrong with my dragon teeth,... i dont know

[woven tusk]

What weapon was it, and what is its current listed level?

[sharp slate]

cavities :(

[woven tusk]

Because it stops working once the weapon is 15+

Some weapons need to be dragontoothed before any other modifications that increase their levels

[silver magnet]

what kind of sick rng is it when you get one fire quartz out of a golden fishing chest?!

[tidal axle]

the iridium needle, level 12

[woven tusk]

Dragon dentists are shit at their job

[sharp slate]

deserved

[tidal axle]

correction level 16

[molten turret]

good for me

[tidal axle]

dang, guess i gotta un-aquamarine this thing

[woven tusk]

Then yeah it's above 15 and no longer eligible

[tidal axle]

does unforging an item get rid of its enchant?

[silver magnet]

munity!

[woven tusk]

I believe so

[tidal axle]

great news it doesn't

[woven tusk]

Oh cool

[tidal axle]

doesn't get much better than this

slime gatherers a little eh but

+50 crit power!

[sharp slate]

what the fuck is slime gatherer

[tidal axle]

plus, i'm running out of cinder shards

[tidal axle]

extra slime from slime kills, useless basically

[sharp slate]

has to be a joke as a "fuck you"

[woven tusk]

I wanna know more about which dragontooth effects can spawn on which weapons, as I've seen crit chance but not on people's photos of the needle

[tidal axle]

crit chance isn't listed on the wiki

so i doubt it

[woven tusk]

I've seen a photo of it on a sword

Looks like this person's seen it too

[sharp slate]

theres a guy in here who datamines and write wiki info so bug him

[tidal axle]

you mean sicarious?

[sharp slate]

sure

[tidal axle]

i don't wanna annoy the guy

[chilly bloom]

It can, up to 75 as the first innate forge

And it’s broken too or smt, doesn’t work properly and makes weapons deal way too much crit damage

[sharp slate]

@tough remnant hey you wanna dig at innate enchantment stuff to clear the air on what is or isn't possible?

[woven tusk]

Crit chance forge increases crit damage?

[tidal axle]

crit damage is listed, crit chance isn't

[tidal axle]

thank you for doing it for me

[tidal axle]

also... +75 crit chance is... over 100% crit chance.....

[tough remnant]

Maybe later, don't have time tonight

[woven tusk]

How do you figure?

[sharp slate]

valid

[tidal axle]

each point of crit chance can be thought of as about a 2 percent increase

dont take that literally, it's a bad conversion, think kilograms to pounds, but still

its enough to figure that 75 crit chance is over a 100% boost

[stray swift]

what

[woven tusk]

Check wiki
See the 2% figure
No direct citation
Links to another page that promises to explain it better
The other page doesn't seem to say anything about dragontooth effects (expected) nor even default +crit that some weapons have (wait wut)

Apparently the listed crit chance is meant to correspond to the weapon's base crit and is generated for the tooltip from the weapon's stats. This is the section in the code that the wiki points to...

      if ((int) (NetFieldBase<int, NetInt>) this.type == 1)
        num = (num + 0.005f) * 1.12f;
      if ((double) num / 0.02 >= 1.10000002384186)
      {
        Color color4 = Game1.textColor;
        if (this.hasEnchantmentOfType<AquamarineEnchantment>())
          color4 = new Color(0, 120, 120);
        Utility.drawWithShadow(spriteBatch, Game1.mouseCursors, new Vector2((float) (x + 16 + 4), (float) (y + 16 + 4)), new Rectangle(40, 428, 10, 10), Color.White, 0.0f, Vector2.Zero, 4f, layerDepth: 1f);
        Utility.drawTextWithShadow(spriteBatch, Game1.content.LoadString("Strings\\UI:ItemHover_CritChanceBonus", (object) (int) Math.Round(((double) num - 1.0 / 1000.0) / 0.02)), font, new Vector2((float) (x + 16 + 52), (float) (y + 16 + 12)), color4 * 0.9f * alpha);
        y += (int) Math.Max(font.MeasureString("TT").Y, 48f);
      }```

[tidal axle]

as i said, it's a bad conversion

though i dont blame you for wanting to look further

[woven tusk]

This is the page I got that from (it's extracted from Stardew 1.5)
https://github.com/WeDias/StardewValley/blob/main/Tools/MeleeWeapon.cs

[midnight fossil]

i didnt know i could "transmog" swords, and i stupidly deleted my ||Meowmere|| cus it was useless, can i get it back?

[woven tusk]

You can get as many as you want, the far-away stone is reobtainable as long as you still have the correct dolls for it

[midnight fossil]

Awesome thank you! Hopefully i can find another one then.
SO it doesnt matter that theres still a gem in the pedestal?

[gray oriole]

Hi

I can sorta answer the thing on crit

[gray oriole]

so to clarify something first, the issue with tooltips is that they do a bit of rounding

and apply dagger's hidden crit multiplier first and lists the output as a the crit bonus on the tooltip

so uh basically, ignore the tooltip for daggers it's honestly pretty useless

[woven tusk]

And when it's visible on swords?

[gray oriole]

well swords don't have a hidden crit ch multiplier afaik so it should be accurate

there's like only 2 swords with crit ch bonuses and both have 4% crit chance and are listed at +2 crit ch

which lines up.. I guess?

uhh and then there's templar's blade

i really wanna know what's up with that sword personally

I guess implementing negative numbers was too much work idk? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tidal axle]

that stat on templars blade doesnt really make sense

like... why out of all weapons is this one unable to crit

[gray oriole]

hm no i've worded that poorly

let me try again lmao

[tidal axle]

i see... guess i must have processed the information wrongly

[gray oriole]

ok sorry back

for a weapon to display crit ch on its tooltip it has to have over 2.2% crit ch

the exact check is this

(weapon type 1 is daggers)

all daggers get pushed over this threshold by the dagger crit ch multiplier even if they have a base crit of 2%

[tidal axle]

ohhh really? thats interesting

[gray oriole]

so none of the swords with their 2% built in crit will display it

but daggers will

[woven tusk]

Can you see how the dragontooth critchance forge affects it?

[gray oriole]

the tooltip isn't actually adding anything

the innate enchant in specific adds umm

0.02 per level, capping at 3 stacks?

no that looks wrong

[woven tusk]

Is that dragontooth or is that aquamarine gemming?

[tidal axle]

so there IS a crit chance innate enchant?

[gray oriole]

why is it a different variable

[gray oriole]

aquamarine gemming is listed as aquamarine enchant in the files

[tidal axle]

this sounds a lot like normal forging for aquamarines

[gray oriole]

there is an enchantment specifically labelled "critenchantment"

critenchantment has the issecondaryenchantment tag as well

which afaik is for innates only

[tidal axle]

and its a crit chance enchant specifically?

[tidal axle]

interesting...

[gray oriole]

well I'm assuming it's adding 2% crit ch here actually

umm criticalchancemultiplier is a different variable than I was expecting

so it may or may not be doing something different here

[woven tusk]

Puzzling indeed!

[stray swift]

why does it have 3 levels

[gray oriole]

umm

what is the max crit power from innates

[woven tusk]

+75, apparently (this is secondhand though)

[gray oriole]

this doesn't seem to be right then

what the fuck did I dig up then

[tidal axle]

there's no way it's +75

[tidal axle]

unless it is, i guess?

[gray oriole]

if secondaryenchantments are actually innate enchants this one would read as 25% crit dmg stacking up to 5 levels for +125% crit dmg

I have no idea what this is then

[stray swift]

is it even used

[gray oriole]

man I wish mousey or blade was here

[woven tusk]

Still glad to have had even this much of a peek behind the curtain

[steady narwhal]

75 crit power is max

[tidal axle]

on the wiki it states a +50 crit power up, but i dont know anymore

[steady narwhal]

Also damn each level of crit from innate is 0.02?

[gray oriole]

its not

[steady narwhal]

0.06 additive max

[gray oriole]

i don't know what I dug up

[steady narwhal]

Oh nvm then

[gray oriole]

this definitely isn't the page for innate enchants, you can't get +125% crit dmg

I honestly don't know where I've ended up

[steady narwhal]

Your weapon's level has an effect on the values you roll from innate enchant

[gray oriole]

yes

[steady narwhal]

For speed it depends on the weapon's speed + initial speed

[woven tusk]

If +75 crit chance is actually a thing, then... Hm. Don't even need it to be a dagger anymore, any sword could guarantee crits with that

[gray oriole]

nevermind

it is indeed the right page

[mellow atlas]

@sharp slate on my way to make all qi artisans

[steady narwhal]

It's not 75 crit chance it's 75 crit power

[tidal axle]

righto then good to know

[gray oriole]

...I'm not sure why CA implemented it this way

[mellow atlas]

i dk if there is dehydrated qi fruits

[steady narwhal]

Yep there are

[gray oriole]

the critpowerenchantment page has a default cap of 5

the actual implementation of the innate enchant forge method caps it at 3

[mellow atlas]

so 1 for wine 1 for jam 5 for dehydr

[tidal axle]

itd be a funny thing to add, a sword with like 40 base damage that constantly crits

[gray oriole]

ok so i'm in fact looking at the right place

its just really weirdly used

[woven tusk]

This is basically a dagger but better, yeah

[tidal axle]

what the hell..? thats funny

[steady narwhal]

Ok so that's crit power then. That should be different from crit chance

[tidal axle]

(unfortunately it does not have the same special attack)

[gray oriole]

ah ok I see what's going on... ish

[woven tusk]

(fortunately it has a much wider swing hitbox)

[gray oriole]

maybe my original guess was right?

[steady narwhal]

Funny weapon

[gray oriole]

it looks like 6% crit ch might indeed be the cap for innate

[steady narwhal]

Looks like the crit chance for the weapon

[gray oriole]

this method's very clearly labelled "innate enchantment" instead of "secondary enchantment" or whatever

so I'm like reasonably sure this is the right place

[steady narwhal]

yeah crit chance is a innate enchant

[gray oriole]

ok so it's probably +2/4/6% crit ch

[woven tusk]

And displayed as ~1/2/3 in the tooltip?

[gray oriole]

ummm

[tidal axle]

i guess i have a new goal!

[tidal axle]

thank you for the information lucent

you're smarterthan i am

[gray oriole]

sure looks like its +1 crit ch per 2% crit chance stat

[woven tusk]

So either it is capped at 6% (which is a sensible amount) and Gorilla was mistaken, or it's broken in another way

[tidal axle]

i think gorilla meant crit power

[steady narwhal]

What are you trying to look for?

[woven tusk]

That or maybe the game itself gets the two mixed up (calling the crit power numbers for the crit chance modifier)

[tidal axle]

my original question was about crit chance

[steady narwhal]

From innate enchants?

[tidal axle]

from innate enchants

see im trying to max out an iridium needle

[steady narwhal]

yeah it's +3 crit chance max

[tidal axle]

thank you!

[gray oriole]

i don't see any possible way the game could mix those two up for innates

[steady narwhal]

Also when you enchant your weapon, make sure it's below level 15

After that threshold, you won't be able to enchant it with innate enchants

[gray oriole]

personally gonna assume gorilla made a typo

[tidal axle]

yeah... im going to need more cinder shards for this 😭

[woven tusk]

Or misread chance as power and responded about power

Thank you

[tidal axle]

started at like 200 and now im all out

[steady narwhal]

crit power and crit chance are different lmao

[gray oriole]

I don't understand where the lvl 15 limit is kicking in though

[woven tusk]

So whichever dagger I go with, I think I definitely would want +6% crit chance over +75 power, unless the power multiplier works incorrectly

[steady narwhal]

Looks like intended game mechanics

[steady narwhal]

Both works. Depends on which one you want to go for

I've tested both and they demolish crap with no problems

[woven tusk]

Yeah... Needle has more base rate but Shiv has much more actual attack power to back it

[steady narwhal]

+75 crit power needle can one shot royal serpents

+3 crit chance requires several stabs

[gray oriole]

it looks like if you use a lower level weapon the innate cap on it is lower too

[steady narwhal]

Yep tested that myself

[gray oriole]

except for weapon speed enchants, which apparently also have a speed cap?

[woven tusk]

So wait, would it be a thing to do other modifications first to try hitting Lv15 exactly, then dragontooth it, and then bring it above?

[gray oriole]

no because the effect caps at lvl 9

[woven tusk]

Ah, okay.

[steady narwhal]

The speed from innate enchants depends on the weapon's speed + initial speed bonuses it have

[gray oriole]

for most of the enchant rolls its doing something similar to this

[woven tusk]

Oh, okay, that's why 9.

[gray oriole]

math.min so whichever of the two numbers 3 or weaponlevel/3 is lower

[steady narwhal]

Daggers and swords would cap at +4, but if there is negative initial speed then it could get lower (up to + 12 speed by innate enchants) in the case of dark sword

[steady narwhal]

Nope

[steady narwhal]

You get more slime

[tidal axle]

i have actually done it before with my infinity sword i js didnt wanna risk it incase it was unique to infinity weps or smth

but thank you regardless

[steady narwhal]

That's both for innate and prismatic enchants

But if you want to get rid of those enchants you have to transmog it as a skin to a fodder weapon and then unforge it. You'll get both back

[woven tusk]

Let's see, the iridium needle, before the innate +75 critpower enchant, has 200 critpower. So it should crit for 7× damage, or 140-245.
If critpower enchant added +75 normally, the needle would crit for 170-297.
Are you OHKOing those serpents with regular attacks or with the quad stab special?

[silver magnet]

do u get something when all 5 masteries are claimed?

[woven tusk]

A pat on the shoulder.

||No, really.||

[gray oriole]

if you're curious

[vapid wind]

I see math and my brain is in pain

[tough remnant]

Oh yeah, Albino, do you still have the level 0 Carving Knife?

[steady narwhal]

It...got patched...

[tough remnant]

I remember seeing a thing in the patch notes about the thing getting patched

[gray oriole]

slime gatherer gives you 1 + a value between 0 andsqrt(slime hp)/3 slime whenever u kill a normal or big slime

[tough remnant]

Was wondering if that was retroactive

[steady narwhal]

Yep 1.6.4 did

[tough remnant]

Sounds like yes 😢

[woven tusk]

Between the slime hutch and slime gatherer, I am wondering if there's something we're expected to be collecting this much slime for

[steady narwhal]

Lets use iridium needle's max damage (that is 35). We'll use an iridium band because most run with that

35 * 1.1 = 38.5 (Rounded down to 38)

38 * (3+200/50) = 266

266 * 2.5 = 665

665 * 2 = 1330 max dmg by crit

[tough remnant]

Well, upside, I don't need to try collect that then

[gray oriole]

theoretically a purple special slime can drop up to +12 slime with slime gatherer, I think?

[woven tusk]

...wait, ×2.5 again?

[gray oriole]

not particularly useful, but now you know!

[woven tusk]

Maybe that's why Gorilla said Crit power seemed broken to be too powerful

[gray oriole]

wait what's the x2.5 coming from

[steady narwhal]

35 is from iridium needle max dmg
1.1 is from iridium band. Iridium band adds a multiplicative 10% dmg
200 is from iridium needle's innate crit power
75 crit power by innate enchants. It's a 2.5x multiplier
2 by desperado

[woven tusk]

Or the ×2 after that, for that matter

[gray oriole]

the 2 is desperado

[woven tusk]

Oh, okay

[gray oriole]

afaik all crit power should be additive with each other and the base x3 crit dmg

[woven tusk]

So the crit power innate is the one that lies (and is in fact overpowered)

[gray oriole]

might be wrong tho

[steady narwhal]

It do be

[tough remnant]

Innate crit power being different from actually innate crit power is cursed

[steady narwhal]

Yep

[tough remnant]

Why do you do this CA

[steady narwhal]

because crits funny

[gray oriole]

wait innate crit power is different from crit power?

[steady narwhal]

yes

[gray oriole]

...why?

[woven tusk]

75 crit power is being used as a separate +150% effect rather than simply adding +150% to the existing crit multiplier

[steady narwhal]

I added it to the crit equation (which is (3+what crit power number the weapon has/50) before and I did not get exact results

[gray oriole]

ok

[woven tusk]

So that's how that happens

[gray oriole]

I pointed it out

but I wasn't sure if I was reading it correctly

[steady narwhal]

Just to note I have not read the code but max I got was 1330 with an iridium band when using 75 innate crit power iridium needle

[gray oriole]

I mean it checks out I guess

[tidal axle]

ILL TAKE IT

[gray oriole]

I get the feeling that the crit ch innate might work differently too then

[woven tusk]

That's messed up and can't be working as intended

[gray oriole]

because it's affecting a different variable than the "crit chance" variable

this is the actual stat on the weapon itself

this is the effect the innate is affecting which... is not the same variable

here's weapon critmult

here's the innate

[steady narwhal]

I like this power

[tough remnant]

So it's:
Base Damage * (1+Damage Bonus) * (3 + natural crit power/50) * (1 + innate crit power/50) * (2 if Desperaso, else 1)

[gray oriole]

i need to find like the actual critical chance equation

[steady narwhal]

As in by innate enchant?

[tough remnant]

Yeah

[woven tusk]

Seems so

[tough remnant]

I wonder what Attack does

[gray oriole]

so uhh

[woven tusk]

You'd think that would be the most basic of stats but yeah

[gray oriole]

what is who.buffs.weaponPrecisionMultiplier

[steady narwhal]

Precision is not used

It's just chance your strike hits

I just got 1330 dmg by iridium needle

unfortunate I did not record it

[gray oriole]

what the hell is buffeffect

wait that seems hella cursed

I sure fucking hope innate enchants don't work by applying a buff effect that multiplies your dmg under certain conditions

oh my god

it is a buff

[steady narwhal]

lmao

[gray oriole]

ok so

innate enchants don't actually modify your weapon stats directly it looks like?

while you're holding a weapon with an innate enchant, it buffs the player directly with the stat bonuses from the innate

[steady narwhal]

Got it twice. 1330 dmg moment

[tough remnant]

Fucking amazing lol

[steady narwhal]

It's just like defense on a weapon

[tough remnant]

Ah, the good old days when defence on weapons did literally nothing

[sonic skiff]

this almost reminds me of how in minecraft (or at least on hypixel skyblock) you can shoot an arrow from a bow then swap the weapon you're holding to a sword to get the sword's buffs on the projectile when it lands

[steady narwhal]

rip defense

[tough remnant]

And nobody noticed for years

[sonic skiff]

i wonder if that would work with slingshots

[gray oriole]

wait that's an idea

yeah

does the slingshot take player bonuses or is it all using the ammo's bonuses

does it snapshot?

if you shoot a slingshot ammo and then swap to a dmg increasing innate enchant weapon would it buff the dmg

[tough remnant]

Slimeslayer + Explosive Ammo strats let's go?

[gray oriole]

i legitimately have no idea what'll happen, I don't know where slingshot dmg calcs are handled

[pine barn]

so what did you do exactly to get this, please?

all I want is a weapon that will kill things the fastest

[steady narwhal]

Iridium band and iridium needle with 75 innate crit power

[steady narwhal]

@pine barn

[pine barn]

that doesn't help me. How do you get the weapon to that stat?

[steady narwhal]

1 Iridium band, desperado profession and 75 crit power by innate enchants on an iridium needle

[pine barn]

yes, but what are the enchantments, please?

[sonic skiff]

the crit power innate enchantment

innate enchantments are a new thing in 1.6

[pine barn]

ok

[sonic skiff]

you can apply them with dragon teeth at the forge

it'll be random so you just have to get lucky and get a really high crit power enchant

[steady narwhal]

This

Artful just halves the cooldown of the weapon. It doesn't affect damage of the weapon

[gray oriole]

anyone know where the dmg equation is handled

[steady narwhal]

No clue

I don't code dive so, but if you mean as in how dmg is calculated then I might be able to help

[gray oriole]

fun fact (?)

[steady narwhal]

huh?

[gray oriole]

if you forge more kb into a weapon using amethyst the weapon level doesn't seem to go up (?) so you can theoretically still apply innate enchants to a dragonteeth weapon with amethyst forges

if I'm reading this right anyway

[steady narwhal]

Ye knockback isn't calculated to weapon level

[gray oriole]

also... defense is... added twice?

why

[steady narwhal]

Which defense?

Oh... the one at the end for the calculation for weapon level?

[mellow atlas]

okay no prize tickets for me

[steady narwhal]

Oh that equation has been added to the wiki for a long time

That has been there for a pretty long time

[gray oriole]

the one on the wiki appears to be slightly wrong

[steady narwhal]

Its just added to the total

[gray oriole]

this.addedDefensegets added 3 times to the weaponpoint score

once at the top and then twice at the bottom

assuming i'm reading it correctly anyway

[steady narwhal]

Second one multiplied by two

[gray oriole]

oh no I'm just blind I see it now

[steady narwhal]

It's fine we all have our moments

[gray oriole]

that's kinda fucked though, every point of defense is like nearly half a weapon level

[steady narwhal]

Defense is small compared to crit chance in terms of total weapon level

[steady narwhal]

rip

[gray oriole]

is it a mod doing it?

[gray oriole]

oh wow yeah

its 2 levels per crit ch?

[steady narwhal]

Gem forges it 4.6 per level

[gray oriole]

but crit ch is a pretty effect

1 def is like near worthless

[steady narwhal]

I like crits

negate one damage taken

[gray oriole]

ive gone off tangent again

[steady narwhal]

oof

[gray oriole]

was trying to find where the item level 15 limit came from for innates

that and where dmg calcs are handled

[lofty sandal]

Hey did they remove quarts from Maru's loved gifts?

[gray oriole]

its in liked now.. I think?

[lofty sandal]

What a weird change

[gray oriole]

probably because quartz is so cheap? idk

[steady narwhal]

Damn I should've asked this earlier but from innate enchant?

[crude talon]

i remembered ❤️

[gray oriole]

?

no that bit had nothing to do with innates

[steady narwhal]

Oh

[gray oriole]

someone wanted to know what was going on with crit chance tooltips

[steady narwhal]

Most daggers have initial crit chance

They actually don't show their base crit chance

[gray oriole]

*all daggers

[lofty sandal]

They changed it for dwarf gadgets

[steady narwhal]

Oh damn nvm

But you can't see their base crit chance which is the default 2% chance

Not the added crit chance by the tooltip. Hidden base crit chance stat

[gray oriole]

the tooltip doesn't actually do anything

[steady narwhal]

It's spring for me. I need to get my funny hat

[gray oriole]

it just shows up if the amount of crit ch on a weapon is greater than 2.2%

[steady narwhal]

ye

[gray oriole]

all swords have a base 2%

a bunch of daggers also have the 2% base default too

but the dagger weapon type applies a bonus so they go over the 2.2% limit

[steady narwhal]

ye that

[crude talon]

i no someone with that bday so like brain sould remember

[gray oriole]

oh im dumb

[steady narwhal]

not me though...

[gray oriole]

the wiki has a citation at the bottom telling u where the dmg formula can be found hur dur

[mellow atlas]

no

i just completed monthly request

on the beggining of summer there was only one request

and now there is 0

[gray oriole]

its weekly

[maiden fiber]

Me getting leprechaun hat on y3 cuz I kept forgetting past years

[gray oriole]

mood

[hidden ore]

whereas I have multiple of them, what will I do with them all? jus tkeep them in the dresser I guess...

[pulsar stump]

I keep forgetting what day it's on

[gray oriole]

spr 18

I think?

[hidden ore]

I almost always go foraging for salmonberries, it's a tradition, and I start in cindersap, so...

[maiden fiber]

Spring 17

[hidden ore]

spring 17.

[nimble turtle]

17th

[gray oriole]

a

[maiden fiber]

St. Patrick’s Day is March 17th

[hidden ore]

I missed it this year because of the dang desert festival

[gray oriole]

u can tell I never pay attention to the date lmao

[gray oriole]

that one annoys me so much

[pulsar stump]

Aw man I'm halfway through summer

[gray oriole]

the salmonberries are so useful in y1

[maiden fiber]

Yep gotta be next year lmao

[celest nexus]

man just let me get the recipe

[gray oriole]

wait til next sunday

[celest nexus]

no that specific recipe

[gray oriole]

.

[woven tusk]

What, does QoS do a double-feature if the green rain overrides it?

[gray oriole]

oh wait

its wednesday that does reruns oops

[gray oriole]

my bad, wait until the... 10th?

[woven tusk]

Do reruns target missed recipes after all?

Hm, the wiki does say so

Meaning you're only in trouble if you miss a lot of them, or can't catch them before a new loop begins

[tidal axle]

i wish the new update added more terraria weapons

like the shadowflame knife or the blade staff minions could be perfect for daggers

and the pwnhammer would be PERFECT for a hammer

plus, id be able to reskin my weapons to them which would be so nice

[steady narwhal]

Also I know it's pretty late response but

[woven tusk]

If it had to be only one weapon, I'm glad it was Meowmere

It's just so whimsical

[tidal axle]

i said my iridium needle was level 16 silly

[steady narwhal]

Oh...

[tidal axle]

i wasn't doubting the rule