archived-update-spoilers

[woven tusk]

I think there's one in the wiki page for cooking

[nocturne timber]

I'm saying that xp should also matter is some way after getting all mastery, because xp is just literally less and less rewarding the more you get of it and then an instant sheer cliff into obscurity

not to mention all the new books added for xp

like it's just such a weird reward curve

[buoyant tendon]

i do respect that they changed up existing recipes to use new stuff, like speed gro using moss. that shows a strong effort for making things feel interconnected instead of new content only being in new places

[woven tusk]

You've reached the pinnacle, though. You've literally mastered the craft and there is nothing left to learn.

[swift bay]

but you need a cut off for xp and new stuff at some point, or the game just goes on forever

[mellow atlas]

yeaah thanks

[echo atlas]

Does luck influence trinkets when you reforge them?

[woven tusk]

They have value as gifts and trade-ins, I believe

Several townies have custom reactions to specific books

[nocturne timber]

reaching the pinnacle should feel more and more rewarding when you reach the top. but instead you are putting in lots of effort to get the mastery that you left for last because it mattered to you the least... so now after achieving the pinnacle it's just a reward feeling that kinda fizzles out

and then also throws away a knew skill you tried perfecting like getting more xp

[woven tusk]

I feel like this is the extrinsic vs intrinsic concept again but I am definitely not good at explaining that one

[swift bay]

I would imagine that most casual players would take quite a while to reach mastery, and it would therefore feel like a proper cutoff. But if you know the most efficient ways to gain xp that is gonna feel like the rewards just abrupbtly stop

[bleak current]

I appreciate that mastery gives me some extra mid-late game benefits and that I don't have to minmax the xp gains at all since pretty much everything I do counts. I am a more casual player though.

[nocturne timber]

what abruptly stops imo is the importance of xp, the rewards just fizzle out

[buoyant raven]

You get xp just by playing the game. Once you've gotten to level 10 in all skills, mastery just occurs as you play.

[buoyant tendon]

i just like
if 1.5 and 1.6 content were added in one singular update, the heavy tapper would've totally been from foraging mastery rather than from mr. qi
and i'd like to see rewards remixed based around the methods you obtain them
methods being special orders, qi gems, book powers, mastery claims, and professions

[nocturne timber]

also it is beyond absurd to me that CA made it even HARDER to level up foraging, like genuinely I love the dude and the game so much but seriously what was he thinking???

[nocturne timber]

heavy tapper from mastery would be so cool like seriously

[swift bay]

by that logic, it's better now, because xp is even more important in the 1.6 update. Before xp stopped being relevant after you reached 10 in each skill

[woven tusk]

I think this is an article about what I mentioned but I don't have time to read it (I should really peel myself away from Discord, I have stuff I should be doing). But if you want to read it, here.

https://www.gamedeveloper.com/design/intrinsic-vs-extrinsic-rewards-why-you-need-both

[nocturne timber]

yeah but it reached a very satistfying ending point of you reaching a new profession

[buoyant tendon]

i feel that hoppers fit mastery more than qi, and i feel that the art o' crabbin has no business being a book when theres an entire fishing profession no one uses

that is the end of my schpeil.
if anyone agrees or at the very least doesnt think im crazy for feeling a little Off about mastery and books, then... thank you

the content added was fantastic, but the new capabilities added were, i feel not placed in suitable and fitting spots as opposed to where they could be

[swift bay]

You're definitely right, I would have appreciated more being moved from the walnut room to mastery

[nocturne timber]

yeah professions are also terribly unbalanced, like so many of them are just objectively bad choices that I don't understand why they were added

[buoyant tendon]

less damage from bombs? just a book from the dwarf, instead of being a trinket or something

[white ridge]

I don't think a chance for double fish from crab pots would make anyone use those proffesions

[buoyant tendon]

ultimately my gameplay experience is not compromised, but its still a feeling of "the game could've probably put these together more elegantly"

[harsh plover]

I just had a thought the other day that being awarded key to the town for completing the CC would make much more sense than some random trophy

[buoyant tendon]

OH THATS SO TRUE

[nocturne timber]

DAMNNN

[buoyant tendon]

THAT'D LITERALLY BE SO
you get me..

[nocturne timber]

THAT WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE THE JOJA ROUTE WORSE THAN CC TOO

[buoyant tendon]

morris just lets you pay an extra morbillion gold for the key

[white ridge]

I wish there were a pierres missing stock list for joja mart

[nocturne timber]

because in cc pierre gets to be open all days but now clint is closed on friday, but in joja once you get the key then both pierre AND clint are open all week

and you also get to keep the store that is open for longer AND get to buy autopetters

like gameplaywise joja route is just way better for the player

[buoyant tendon]

god.. so true
ive really kept a lot of my like, critiques pent up, because i didnt think anyone else was really in the mood to. and i dont wanna start like, hating on the update or anything, but i just... its a passion of mine to think of other ways things couldve been done

[nocturne timber]

I LOVE game design

[unkempt dome]

@nocturne timber You leveled up to Cowpoke. You can now speak in our voice channels and share images in all channels!

[cloud oyster]

joja route on 🔝

[umbral plinth]

congrates

[cloud oyster]

im capitalist scum but im capitalist scum with my auto petter

[umbral plinth]

YEAH!

[nocturne timber]

imo trash bear should always be available from the secret woods or from within the sewers and once you finish it the chances of catching trash from fishing is reduced and from crab pots is SIGNIFICANTLY reduced, reduced to like 5% even

[cloud oyster]

my family wont play monopoly with me tho so maybe i capitalist scummed too hard

[umbral plinth]

but like... the linus quest (and trash compactors)

[white ridge]

If you want no trash from crab pots we have a skill for that

[nocturne timber]

and then once trash is out of the way from crab pots maybe the profession from it can actually be something else that would make it useful

[woven tusk]

Kinda suspect Jojacorp is just dumping garbage into the river from upstream

[umbral plinth]

how about... instead of pirate, no trash

[nocturne timber]

that's a waste of a skill because even then crabbing is still awful

[umbral plinth]

so both fishing paths have a no trash skill

[nocturne timber]

if it was something else in addition to there already being less trash then maybe it would actually be a choice

[woven tusk]

Cast the training rod into the mines and crash the game

[nocturne timber]

but no rn there is absolutely 0 incentive to go with trapping profession

[nova beacon]

back to back perfect luck days and lucky blessing from the statue

[umbral plinth]

nvm 100% lava eel, no jelly, 100% fish nvm

[woven tusk]

Oh, I've had a reason to use it before

[nocturne timber]

lies

[umbral plinth]

catch... cheese

[buoyant tendon]

replace trapper (lvl5) with like,
"crab pots and fish ponds have a chance to produce double!"

[nova beacon]

and I just built my statue to the dwarf king so now i’m gonna be drowning in some iridium

[woven tusk]

If someone else has Angler in co-op, it is pointless for anyone else to have it.

So Mariner instead gives us a very increased lobster rate for bisque

[nocturne timber]

fish ponds getting a buff from the other profession branch makes way too much sense

[woven tusk]

Same for Artisan. Highest multiplier among players online is used when shipping goods. So a co-op player can use Agriculturist

[buoyant tendon]

and then lvl 10 options would be to either make crab pots not produce junk or to make fish ponds produce non-roe special items more often

i think cooked stuff selling for more would be a cool farming level 10 option, for if you go down ranching

[nova beacon]

if we’re taking level 10 options, mining mastery just makes it so there’s only 1 branch in mining ore

[buoyant tendon]

either animals produce faster or cooked goods sell for XX% more, as rancher lvl10
and as farmer lvl10, either crops grow faster or... ig a nerfed artisan lol?

[woven tusk]

Artisan used to be 50%

[nova beacon]

like the fact mastery gives you both the miner trait and geologist or whatever it’s called is wild

[woven tusk]

It's already been nerfed and was intentionally left still OP because it became a Stardew Tradition by that point

[buoyant tendon]

i think "artisan" encompasses a bit too many things, like its really funny that the best way they buffed fishing is... making it have an artisan good (smoked fish)

want to buff something? let the player turn it into an artisan good
in fact why dont we uh, let people turn artifacts into artisan goods i think that'd be good

[woven tusk]

I think it might make a kind of sense that some skills are only desirable in co-op. The game's about community after all

[buoyant tendon]

thats quite a fair point

[woven tusk]

...

[buoyant tendon]

the game is about communism. i mean, why else would i be giving gifts to people and doing help wanted requests?

[woven tusk]

And overthrowing a capitalist overlord

[swift bay]

and then creating our own capitalistic empire

[white ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/money-mr-krabs-gif-18326632

[buoyant tendon]

can i just say big shoutouts to CA for adding moss soup?

[swift bay]

the natural cycle

[white ridge]

Yeah you can

[buoyant tendon]

really makes me feel at home, eating moss

[normal prism]

was clay farming fixed ??

[white ridge]

Yup

[woven tusk]

He's_Out_Of_Line_But_He's_Right.gif

[buoyant tendon]

you can turn it on at the start of a file with old rng toggled

[woven tusk]

Need a beverage with your meal. Here, have a cool refreshing glass of mayonnaise

[buoyant tendon]

hell yeah

[stark glade]

duck. duck mayonnaise.

[buoyant tendon]

i wonder if mayo is actually a good bet for scavern runs. i know cheese n goat cheese always was...

eh its not QUITE as good as cheese but

considering how much more chickens i have than cows/goats...

[normal prism]

how do i even find clay now 😭 i need like 300 to build stuff

[buoyant tendon]

get to ginger island

but unironically uh, i... honestly just got enough clay from finding artifact spots

just get unlucky and dont find any artifacts, shrimple as that

[woven tusk]

The earlygame push for a silo is a problem. After that, I kind of had just exactly enough for necessities until GI (which I expect to reach within a week or two)

[near tapir]

cheese gives more energy at once and has more health per gold value (than mayo)

[buoyant tendon]

i think the mystery boxes should have a chance to give you mayonnaise

[swift bay]

meadowlands farm should give you a free silo

[buoyant tendon]

eh i think that'd be a bit much

[woven tusk]

It's already weird that they have fresh premade meals

[buoyant tendon]

its already 2 free chickens

[woven tusk]

Sorry for ping, missed the Off button

[echo atlas]

Max level parrot + dust spirits is OP

[woven tusk]

2 free chickens and 15 free hay at that

[buoyant tendon]

well thats why mr. qi is the explanation for them. anything thats very silly and videogamey is where the trump card of qi is pulled, which i find quite based

[swift bay]

yeah true, might be a bit overpowered

[buoyant tendon]

meadowlands is really nice earlygame
the only part of meadowlands that sucks is i HAVE TOO MANY IDEAS FOR DIRECTIONS TO TAKE MY DECORATING !!

[woven tusk]

I had to buy hay from Marnie for my Beach playthrough since I still had no silo to even generate hay. (I built the coop because I got sick of waiting for clay, and sure enough it rained)

[buoyant tendon]

its got too many good spots for my house to be, too many good spots for a barn to be, too many good spots for my greenhouse to be

that im so indecisive

i could probably spend like 20 hours in the stardew planner website on just the meadowlands farm

[swift bay]

Yeah i am loving meadowlands farm, its the perfect balance of being easy to work with and providing a bit of a challenge for design

[buoyant tendon]

yeah! and the blue grass is so pretty

like idc that much about the extra friendship from it, the PRETTYness of the blue grass is the big win

and now what else do we have? pretty blue tree (mystic tree)

[woven tusk]

Blue grass and blue chickens and blue jojacola and

oh wait

[buoyant tendon]

meadowlands optimal farm for joja decor confirmed

[brazen oar]

theres a prize ticket behind this balloon if nobodys found it yet

[white ridge]

Thats no coincidence

[buoyant tendon]

wonder what was going on in CAs mind when he made green rain

its really an experience

[woven tusk]

Oh dang, so you only need to earn one from quests to get the summer fruit sapling, as this is the second ticket to get there

[buoyant tendon]

imagine if green rain stopped happening if you did the joja route. or worse, turned into actual acid rain

[elder temple]

joja rain

[brazen oar]

green rain helped so much with getting the blessing statue

[buoyant tendon]

blue rain (real)

[nova beacon]

that’s just normal rain

[woven tusk]

The townies' reactions, especially Demetrius' and Leah's compared to everyone else's. That was good shit

[buoyant tendon]

source?

[elder temple]

Carbonated rain

[nova beacon]

I got it from this senator

think his name was armstrong

[buoyant tendon]

ah i see

i loved seeing emilys reaction , so fitting

died of laughter on year 2 interacting with vincent just to see "Vincent is covered in moss"

[jovial dune]

where's a good area to plant a tree farm before the green rain, other than the train platform area?

[nova beacon]

desert

unless it’s y1 rain

[jovial dune]

does the desert get hit by the green rain?

ah wiki says no

[woven tusk]

Just plant them haphazardly on unused areas of the farm I guess

Since the best thing to do with the trees is cut them anyway

[jovial dune]

already done

[woven tusk]

Hm. Soily areas of Cindersap and the Backwoods and maybe Robin's front yard?

[jovial dune]

I'll hit the quarry, I guess, and then toss them around dirt areas of cindersap

yeah

[quasi escarp]

That’s honesty such a good idea

I’m assuming for moss farming?

[jovial dune]

moss and wood both

will trees grow right next to each other in the green rain? Or in general, come to think of it?

eventually, I end up flooring the quarry and making it a keg farm, usually

[frosty coral]

What should I get as 2nd mastery after farming

[jovial dune]

I like combat to open up the trinket slot, although the anvil and forge aren't so easy to use early

[frosty coral]

Combat seems good actually since trinkets seem rly useful and the parrot from what I saw is pretty broken op

[jovial dune]

the max possible level of the parrot depends on your total gold earned, so earlier on it's not going to make much

[woven tusk]

I do not believe so. They generally can't (a tree cannot reach full size if another full-size tree is already in one of the 8 adjacent tiles), and I do not think Green Rain can override that

[frosty coral]

oh also, can someone without farming mastery use the Iridium Scythe? (Multiplayer)

[green gyro]

is there any way for me to get the lucky lunch recipe if i missed it or am i cooked

[frosty coral]

that's interesting, at about 2 million gold I assume I can only get like a lvl 1 parrot then?

[woven tusk]

Queen of Sauce Cookbook teaches every missing QoS recipe at once

[jovial dune]

the bookseller sells the recipes book starting in year 3, but other than that it's just waiting for it to come around on TV again

[woven tusk]

Reach the walnut room and the bookseller can carry it in y1

[green gyro]

i don't even have ginger yet

[jovial dune]

actually, at that point I think it's either max or near max possible

[woven tusk]

Then eh. Get there first

[tender meteor]

I think the reruns prioritise recipes you missed.

[green gyro]

yeah but i missed a ton of recipes

[woven tusk]

Watch more TV

Stop planting potatoes and be a couch potato

[frosty coral]

oh lol nice

the power of ancient fruit greenhouses

[jovial dune]

nice 😄

[woven tusk]

2.25M unlocks the max parrot level (4), I think?

[jovial dune]

nothing to do then except watch TV everyday. You should anyways to know what the day's luck is, and weather during the summer to know when the green rain is coming

[woven tusk]

Also to pick the best times to upgrade your watering can

Clint needs two overnights. If you finish watering today and hand it in when rain is forecasted, the rain will water your crops on the day you can't

[atomic sand]

Do pets have to be 1:1 w pet bowls or can they share

[woven tusk]

Then you can pick it back up afterwards

They can't share, I don't think

[lone musk]

It says they get upset without their own, so probably 1:1

[frosty coral]

Not even everyday tho right, just wednesdays and sundays

Wednesdays for reruns and sunday for the normal preset dates

What do you guys think is the worst mastery?

Foraging seems meh but I only have farming rn

[kind depot]

ice rod is just sooo good
i've also gotten magic quiver and hungry frog

haven't really seen the other ones, are they any good?

[mortal drift]

I tend to use the Golden Spur

[frosty coral]

Parrot gives you money on kill

From what I saw with a high level parrot and some mob farming you can get like 100k per day

[kind depot]

damn

[gray oriole]

Its 166 gold/kill avg

Lv4 that is

[placid lantern]

oh wow I'll have to try that. Like I assume you'd use monster musk, but are there any other tips? Locations etc?

[kind depot]

i'm thinking maybe the floors with dust sprites since so many spawn

or maybe the purple slimes

since they drop so many small slimes

[frosty coral]

I think the guy in the vid I watched literally went in lvl 1 normal mines

But dust sprites seem good

idk if parrot gold scales with the hp of the enemy u killed

[placid lantern]

Based on the description on the wiki, it doesn't seem like it does

Summons a level X parrot companion, who grants you a Y chance to find gold coins when slaying monsters.

[tender meteor]

I've come to like cutting down dangerous mummies with a crusader weapon. Also get the burglar/java ring if you can.

[silver oar]

so I'm not sure if this is new to the game, but it's new to me and i'm curious. How long has it been since walking past a flute block with an amethyst makes a guitar sound? and are there any other instrument changes with flute or drum block?

it could be this is old as heck and i've just never played with note blocks... I just did it randomly and WHOA WTH reaction happened lol

[frosty coral]

I think that is new

[placid lantern]

Just checked it out on the wiki, and it looks like it was added with 1.6!
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Flute_Block#History

[silver oar]

wha.... okay so i pulled up the wiki on my phone first, and the page doesn't load the special sounds section

[placid lantern]

Oh weird

Here's a screenshot of that section

[silver oar]

and then doesn't load anything below the gifting section

yeah i have it on computer now. I looked at phone while ingame lol

[placid lantern]

oh makes sense lol. I do the same

[silver oar]

i was just crossing the room headed to bed and "strum". WHAT made THAT noise?!

ooooh i could put the mermaid song in my house?

[jovial dune]

hm trees didn't sprout up next to each other in the green rain, but I'm still pleased with the results

[placid lantern]

I had a similar reaction when I was wearing the cinderclown shoes and I was like "where is that jingling noise coming from??"

[silver oar]

lol at least i'd read about that one

[cloud oyster]

best strategy to grind for bats?

[jovial dune]

pretend you're the joker

[silver oar]

pffffff

[green gyro]

would it be dumb to rush caldera on the first ginger visit

[jovial dune]

on the one hand, I did. On the other hand, I didn't make it

[cloud oyster]

guys i need tips its the last day of the quest ive killed so little

[placid lantern]

are you using monster musk?

[silver oar]

i think you have to hope for one of those levels where it fogs up??? and extra flying mobs spawn

and yeah monster musk

[cloud oyster]

i dont have it unlocked 😭

[jovial dune]

all I can say is find floors the elevator reaches and just do them looking for bats, don't bother with ladders, just pop in, look around, kill if found, do any swarms if they happen, get back on the vator

[cloud oyster]

its joever for me

[placid lantern]

Make sure you're actually on a floor that spawns bats too

so at least floor 31

[cloud oyster]

ima do frost bats cuz floor 31 is the dark levels

[green gyro]

how hard is volcano dungeon again?

it's been a while

[feral wyvern]

Galaxy sword is needed imo but I mean its always ok if you have enough health potions or food

Also depends on how skilled you are at combat & or anxiety levels

[placid lantern]

Generally it's better to have stuff with extra defense while starting out. The mobs can be a little strong

[feral wyvern]

Not super hard if you’re really good at blocking attacks though.

[green gyro]

like could i just pull up with a lucky lunch iridium pick and galaxy sword and do it in a day

[woven tusk]

Does lucky lunch even do anything in there

[green gyro]

oh right

[placid lantern]

If you start out early-ish in the day, yes. I also recommend a drink that increases your speed (espresso or coffee)

[green gyro]

i forgot

[green gyro]

yeah that too i'll just camp outside the volcano

wait how do you not run out of water again

i forgot'

[woven tusk]

Isn't there a water point right by the entrance

[placid lantern]

There's a refill station once you enter and at the midpoint

[green gyro]

is that really enough? i remember there being a ton of lava to bridge over

[cloud oyster]

DAWG the only time i get tons of dust sprites is when im not looking for themmm

im not finishing this bat quest

[placid lantern]

how leveled up is your watering can?

[green gyro]

iridium

[cloud oyster]

nvm i got 4 on one level ive been gifted hope

[placid lantern]

You should be fine then. I use maybe a fifth of the water getting to the next station

*with an iridium watering can

[green gyro]

oh

i remember there being a segment where i had to bridge over a giant lava ocean

might've been a treasure chest though

[placid lantern]

The only thing I can think of is (spoiler: the steps to get the golden walnuts just in case) ||going to the left of the entrance by the first water station|| to get to golden walnuts. It recent memory that's the most I've used in one go

[green gyro]

im pretty sure it was a treasure chest then

i don't remember that place taking much water to get to

[dense merlin]

challenge bait with the skip fishing minigame mod is so overpowered 😭

just catching dozens of super cucumbers lmfao

[gray oriole]

where r u fishing where super cucumbers are that common

[gritty marsh]

I need to scream about this somewhere!

[severe zinc]

what master should i choose first

[gritty marsh]

I completed the greenhouse and ended up fixing the huge tree stump (using 100 hard wood) and-

Oh my god. This is so, so, so, so, so, cute.

A raccoon moved in.

[nova beacon]

we’re in the update channel

you do not have to spoil tag

[gritty marsh]

Alright, I wasn't sure if it was required

[silver oar]

and yes it is soooo cute

also, just wait for more cute

[gritty marsh]

Godddd, it's hungry and I'm melting

Aaaaaaaaaa!

I'll get it some 🎣

[silver oar]

would you like a spoiler? lol

[gritty marsh]

Go ahead!

Didn't expect it to be a raccoon and I'm super glad, 'cause I love them so much haha

[silver oar]

da BABIES

[gritty marsh]

OHMY

i'm melting

da babiessssss

this game is awesome

[silver oar]

yes it is

[dense merlin]

oh my god babies

the junimo catalogue is so freakin' good

farmhouse is simply become the forest

[elder temple]

how do you get the catalogue?

[dense merlin]

i got it at the night market on the last day

[elder temple]

I see

[mellow atlas]

i can tell the cozy house people are gonna go crazy over the new furniture

[dense merlin]

i so am LOL

i have no idea what i'm gonna do with myself with the new farmhouse upgrades either

so much space to make silly decorations

[mellow atlas]

i just make everything look like a gamer den so the im mostly interested in the trash catalogue

[dense merlin]

bahahaha fair enough

shane-core <3

[mellow atlas]

shane is babygirl coded

[woven tusk]

Winter fishing result with Sturgeon Bait. (I've cropped out one Perch caught in the river with regular bait-- I saw bubbles while I was passing by).
26 catches, 16 of which were Sturgeons. Not bad... Saw bubbles near the shore on the mountain too, which is why some of the Sturgeons are silver. At least I hooked them very quickly

[cloud oyster]

emily did me dirty

[stark glade]

it's slightly different right now but I had that sent here so it was easier

junimo + wiz catalogue go so well together

[minor rampart]

Can you actually pay your way to completion?

[woven tusk]

Yes

It's for dealing with the ol' Last Lousy Point trope

[steady narwhal]

There is now pay to win option for perfection

[minor rampart]

I feel like I should attempt that in my joja farm, really feed into the capitalism

[stark glade]

control all the means of production

buy the world with your keg farm

[woven tusk]

First batch of Starfruit Wine for this farm. Let's goooooo

[distant pulsar]

if only you could still scam Pierre

[woven tusk]

Ooh, thanks for the reminder, I got the maple bear secret note and forgot about it. Need to include the Bear's Knowledge trip in my plans for the next day

[lofty juniper]

does challenge bait count towards fish caught for demetrius's "biome balance" special order, can't find anything on the wiki on either page

[whole tangle]

it does

[woven tusk]

Wow. Get that finished comically fast then

[short cloud]

I just got a 2nd prismatic frog egg 😩 I want to reroll it to try and get a colour I don't have yet, but also the thought of rerolling it hurts lmao

[lofty juniper]

alright cool i will not bother with this quest until i get like 1000 more xp and get my 3rd mastery

[woven tusk]

Give it to Sebastian just so it's off your hands (he loves frogs)

[lofty juniper]

is fishing worth getting 3rd tbh

i went farming -> mining

[woven tusk]

If you fish a lot, it's amazing

Golden fishing treasures have good stuff

[lofty juniper]

i don't really lol i just skull cavern all the time

[woven tusk]

...Hm. Good question, then.

Think I'd pick Combat next for you, then

[lofty juniper]

idk what else would be worth like foraging is definitely gonna be last

[woven tusk]

And just catch the biome balance fish normally

[lofty juniper]

hmm yeah

[short cloud]

Tempting but I want to collect every colour first (and I'm already max hearts with him haha)

[tidal obsidian]

i kinda like the new fishing festivals, it gives me more of a reason to fish lol

[open basin]

My first rare chest...

Great, just, amazing thank you /s

[woven tusk]

Don't forget, fashion is the true endgame

[gray oriole]

that is a very fancy hat

[tidal obsidian]

arrrg

[woven tusk]

Isn't there a thing you can only do with a Pirate-related clothing item equipped?

...Such as that hat?

[open basin]

My character is already end game then

I just need to forge the boots and she's done, cute and simple

OR

[woven tusk]

THE HIGH SEAS CALL TO ALL

[open basin]

[autumn cedar]

What do u think is the best mastery to take first

[woven tusk]

If you have a lot of crops, Farming.

The iridium scythe is insanely convenient

[open basin]

And the crackers

Pretty cool

[woven tusk]

If you have a lot of animals, also Farming. The animal crackers make them give double items

If neither is the case, you might pick something else first

Like, in my case I only have one barn and one coop and it's winter so I have barely any crops. So I might not pick Farming first

[open basin]

So basically if you play the game lol

[autumn cedar]

I went with mining first cus I was intrigued by the double gems

[woven tusk]

The Mining statue is probably a bigger deal with the +1 Ore bonus it can sometimes offer

[stark glade]

+1 ore per node is such a good buff

[open basin]

God, finally got Qi's room unlocked

[jovial dune]

the mining statue is expensive to craft early

[stark glade]

probably the best one unless you're doing a megabomb festival on SC

[open basin]

It's such a pain 😭

[autumn cedar]

That too but sometimes I forget

[stark glade]

well it's not like you can anyway

[autumn cedar]

I always forget to touch my statues

[eternal linden]

Fun fact: If you have the 50% fish bonus, 40% artisan bonus, and perfect catch legend/legend II with challenger bait 25 times, you can then smoke them for the 7 million needed for perfection waivers to bypass the clock and obelisks

[open basin]

Make the statues sleep in bed with you so you won't forget (by your bed, that is)

[stark glade]

I have all my statues sitting side to side on the cubby

[sacred river]

The statue of the dwarf king is very easy to craft by the time you get it

It's just 100 iridium ore

Child's play in many advanced SC runs

[jovial dune]

I totally farm in the winter. I mean, we have powdermelon now, but I'll also do a mess of fiber seeds and a recurring crop of winter forageables, use em to craft more winter seeds, repeat

[stark glade]

not only are you guaranteed to pass by them, you don't forget about them lmao

[woven tusk]

Your spouse, in bed: "Ah, yes. Me, the farmer I married, and the dwarf statue they sleep with."

[open basin]

I got farming in winter too, but mostly because I already started in GI

[open basin]

LOL I need to make that meme 😭

[stark glade]

it's just you and me and you and me and your friend steve

[sacred river]

I wonder what went into CA's mind when he thought of the statue of blessings recipe

[eternal linden]

Same

[jovial dune]

yeah, I have my bed lined up with my television, blessing statue, mining statue, and statue of perfection so far. Hop out of bed, hit em all

[autumn cedar]

I think the dwarf statue should require 99 bars

[eternal linden]

"What if we had them save up years of sap for this fun thing"

[woven tusk]

I have the moss. I'll probably get the fiber via Fiber Plants holding my soil from winter to spring

[sacred river]

The statue of blessings and the dwarf statue are unlocked at roughly the same time but the former statue is monumentally harder to get

[woven tusk]

Years? I thought you could just tap Mahogany trees for sap every day? how much does it give?

[jovial dune]

advanced SC runs are probably well past the point where many players are wondering if they should get the mastery. Earlier than that, the statue is costly.

[eternal linden]

I didn't know that

[maiden fiber]

Tbf I think the statue of blessing is way better than the mining one

[gray oriole]

its also a lot of moss

[maiden fiber]

Yeah it is

[sacred river]

90% of my sap supply is from slimes lmao

[nova beacon]

it’s really not

[gray oriole]

how long is an SC day

[jovial dune]

I'm usually max skills and working on mastery by the time I reach skull cav, so I won't have that many iridium bars that fast, and if I do I probably have some other things I need to do with it first

[maiden fiber]

Wdym?

[gray oriole]

like irl time

[nova beacon]

the biggest problem I had with it was getting fiber, and even then fiber seeds exist

[jovial dune]

game time in skull cav runs slower

[sacred river]

It is

+1 luck and +0.5 speed go extremely hard

[gray oriole]

i forget how much buff duration i need to last a full run

[maiden fiber]

Frfrfr

[woven tusk]

I think I also have more than 999 sap already from clearcutting the valley three times

[nova beacon]

you’re not using an abundance of moss, probably have a bunch of sap and stone from just playing the game normally

[tender meteor]

Only really like the ore buff from mining...

[sacred river]

Did you mean you disagree about the statue being harder to get or that they're both unlocked at the same time

[jovial dune]

1 game hour in skull cav is 54 seconds instead of 43

[gray oriole]

ah ty

[nova beacon]

I disagree with it being “monumentally” harder

[woven tusk]

...I'm in y1 and I don't know how you have problems with sap

[tender meteor]

Depends on how much hoarding you do...

[gray oriole]

cut more trees idk

[jovial dune]

yeah, I always have a ton of sap pretty quickly. It's moss that takes me a bit to resolve

[woven tusk]

Like, I'm still short the fiber but I know I'm planning to grow a lot at the end of winter

[nova beacon]

like the dwarf king statue, that’s what, 100 iridium ore? not a bunch, so it’s easier

[sacred river]

999 sap, 999 stone, 999 fiber and 333 moss vs. 100 iridium ore

One is obtained through months of hoarding

...the other is 1 SC run

See the difference?

[solemn hemlock]

wowow

[eternal linden]

3-8

[nova beacon]

what are you doing to where you’re needing to use 999 sap or stone so consistently where it’s so much harder to get

[unkempt dome]

@nova beacon You leveled up to Cowpoke. You can now speak in our voice channels and share images in all channels!

[nova beacon]

yay

[gray oriole]

one costs resources most players passively accrue, the other requires doing content the general playerbase finds difficult and doesn't typically do until later into a playthrough

[jovial dune]

seriously, where many people are asking about what mastery to take, 100 iridium is still quite a cost

[sacred river]

I never said that you're gonna use the resources for something else

Just saying about how many resources you need to craft vs the other

[eternal linden]

It takes like 100+ mahogany trees for that in a day

[nova beacon]

yeah but those resources are extremely abundant and you’re not using constantly, so they’re hoarded

[gray oriole]

a lot of the ppl asking about mastery are also probably new players lured in by the 1.6 update

[jovial dune]

yep

[nova beacon]

like you’re cutting down a lot of trees to get wood (if not buying from robin), and then you get the sap and unless you’re mass producing fertilizer, then you have no need for that sap and it sits in a chest

[jovial dune]

significant progress in skull cav is quite a cost

[tender meteor]

I tried fishing in the submarine to make money this year. Did catch an iridium blobfish, that was fun... getting 50 seaweed every time, not so much.

[woven tusk]

I still have well over 2k sap in less than one year, so... I don't know what to say about that.
I also sold a lot of sap on day 1 to afford the Fiberglass fishing pole on day 2, so it's not like I was super hoarding

[nova beacon]

by extension, moss grows on said trees you’re cutting, so you’re getting both sap and moss simultaneously

stone you get from clearing out your farm, mining, quarry, or buying so that’s squared away

as I said earlier, only fiber is the real issue, but once again, fiber seeds

[jovial dune]

feels like you've jumped the fence. Your argument was that the iridium was easier, now you're saying the blessing statue stuff is easy

[nova beacon]

no

[jovial dune]

which it is

[nova beacon]

i’m saying it’s not as hard as people are saying

[woven tusk]

Clearcutting the valley is how you're supposed to get Foraging EXP, especially with Green Rain spotlighting that particular activity now, and... you get a gazillion sap that way

[jovial dune]

but you were humble bragging that getting the dwarf statue early was easy

well that's true anyways

[golden pond]

I mean, I dont know about yall, but I already had all the materials for the statue before I unlocked the Farming Mastery, and I didn’t even know it was that expensive

[nova beacon]

when did I do that

[eternal linden]

Apparently we play VERY differently

[jovial dune]

yeah, cutting down trees is great early forage xp

[steady narwhal]

100 iridium ore is quicker and easier to get than the materials for the blessing statue. Definitely easier to get dwarf king statue

[nova beacon]

almost me, needed like 400 more fiber as I got farming mastery

[woven tusk]

Wild seeds are garbage for training it now which didn't affect me because I barely used them

[jovial dune]

when did you do what?

[eternal linden]

I level up foraging by clearing the farm, collecting hardwood, green Rain, and mass forage ables

[sacred river]

?

[eternal linden]

Why?

[golden pond]

Yeah fair. I mean I also couldn’t craft it right away since I blew 100 on the flute blocks for the Ginger island mermaid

[woven tusk]

Wild seeds are only worth 2 exp now

[eternal linden]

Wait really?

[woven tusk]

Green rain and shroom logs/boxes are meant to shore up the loss it brings

[eternal linden]

That is kinda dumb

[woven tusk]

Because foraging really shouldn't just be farming

[steady narwhal]

100 iridium ore is nothing

[woven tusk]

Berry bushes now also give EXP

[eternal linden]

Nifty

[open basin]

I regret nothing

[golden pond]

Real

[eternal linden]

That means I leveled foraging the hard way

[sacred river]

If you use fiber seeds to get enough fiber for the statue, you need to use around 142-249 tiles of fiber seeds

[eternal linden]

Assuming one harvest

[sacred river]

Not to mention you have to craft each one

[woven tusk]

...Hilariously my plan for Winter to Spring will involve something like four times this.

[eternal linden]

You can fit like 4 in the winter

[jovial dune]

I always use wild seeds early on. Especially now that they're combination farm and forage xp

[fierce axle]

1.6 really is a beautiful thing

[eternal linden]

Ye

[subtle mauve]

dwarf statue not even that expensive

[golden pond]

Fr

[gray oriole]

which npc buys artifacts

[eternal linden]

With that and only 1 stardrop tea you can get a villager from 0 to 10 hearts in a week

[eternal linden]

None

Maybe dwarf

[gray oriole]

pain

[jovial dune]

how? On a birthday, stardrop tea maxes at 3 hearts

[eternal linden]

Sorry, I mean you do other things, but no more than 1 tea

[gray oriole]

you can give birthday gift on top of the tea

[jovial dune]

still how

[sacred river]

You can only gift people twice a week what

Without the tea

[jovial dune]

okay so a very specific week

[nova beacon]

stardrop tea doesn’t count for gift limits

[golden pond]

The Dwarf Statue was quite literally the easiest mastery item for me to craft.

I had to grind iron & copper for the furnaces & anvil, I had to un-earth all the seeds I planted to make mystic trees, I was reluctant to use my dragon teeth for the forge instead of the obelisk, and Fishing was my last Mastery

[sacred river]

No more than 1 tea

They said

[golden pond]

Ive given Alex like 3 teas in one day, idk what you mean lmfao

[eternal linden]

3 gold loved gifts, loved movie and snack, talk each day, stardrop tea, maybe one or two other things I forgot

[subtle mauve]

i think fishing gonna be my next mastery

[eternal linden]

They mean I said my method only needs 1

[jovial dune]

the claim was "only 1 stardrop tea"

[nova beacon]

oh

[golden pond]

Also, the triple hearts on their birthdays is insane. 2 teas and a loved gift on a bachelor(ette)’s birthday, and you can date them even if its the first time you ever talked to them

[woven tusk]

2500 pts from 0 to 10 hearts
960 from iridium loved birthday gift, 750 from tea on birthday. That leaves 790pts to max.
+240 from two non-birthday gifts, as long as the birthday is Tuesday or later., and then +10 at the end of the week for giving two gifts in the week
+140 from talking to them every day for 7 days.
400 pts left. Movies?

[gray oriole]

how do u get 960 from an iridium loved birthday gift o.0

[eternal linden]

Did you include book 10% bonus?

[gray oriole]

oh right iridum

[woven tusk]

Totally forgot

[jovial dune]

thanks, that's where I was headed. But doesn't the birthday bonus only apply once?

[golden pond]

Nope

[woven tusk]

2100pts so far, so that's an extra 210.
190 left. One movie?

[eternal linden]

Ye

One loved movie with bonus is 220

[woven tusk]

Or two if there's none they love but still has one they like

[golden pond]

If you give two teas to an npc on their birthday, that is an instant 6 hearts

[eternal linden]

Pretty sure you have a max of one per week

But 55 extra from loved snack

[woven tusk]

I might do this for Kent

[eternal linden]

So in a week you can go from barely knowing them to marrying them

[gray oriole]

its 2500 friendship for max hearts
+154 talking x7
+1056 birthday iridium loved gift
+825 birthday stardrop tea
+264 iridium loved gift
+11 giving two gifts
+220 movie theater
+55 movie snack
= 2585

[jovial dune]

hm I have no-one left to test this on

[gray oriole]

checks out I guess

[sacred river]

Just give 10 teas to the same NPC and get max hearts in one day smh my head

[eternal linden]

10 teas is hard though

[fierce axle]

i could honestly test it once i unlock the movie theatre

[eternal linden]

Plus my method is more easily used on every npc

[eternal linden]

I already did

It only runs into issues with Bachelors I think, because it would require more coordination

[gray oriole]

more realistically just giving 2 teas and a gift on their birthday is probably what most ppl will do

[fierce axle]

the bachelors are the only ones left at 0 hearts rn

[gray oriole]

you don't even need a 2nd tea if they're a romanceable npc

[fierce axle]

i don't want to waste my only tea anyway

[eternal linden]

The issue with them is that I think friendship pauses at 10 hearts before the bouquet

8*

[gray oriole]

pauses at 8 if you're not dating

[golden pond]

Theoretically, if you play on remix bundles, complete the Helper’s Bundle, get the tea from the ticket booth, and its Raining on Haley’s birthday, that would be like a marriage world record

[gray oriole]

tea + gift gets you to 7.5

you're almost certainly going to have 1 heart for most npcs if just from festivals

[eternal linden]

Could you get married by the first dance?

[gray oriole]

potentially doable for haley

[sacred river]

Blade moment

[golden pond]

Yes cause the wedding always happens 3 days after you propose

[eternal linden]

When is her birthday? Preferably week day as well

[gray oriole]

coconuts are conveniently her favorite gift

[golden pond]

Its also possible to do this with Shane

but why would you lmao

[eternal linden]

How would you get coconuts?

[gray oriole]

from the desert?

theyre like literally lying on the floor

[eternal linden]

How would you get there before the first dance?

[gray oriole]

through the bus?

[mellow atlas]

Is there an item id for a keg? Raccoons need a broccoli juice, but my kegs are still full, and I'm too lazy to make another one 😆

[eternal linden]

I mean what money making method

[gray oriole]

fishing mostly

[eternal linden]

You need 42.5K at best 2 days before her birthday

[mellow atlas]

Also worried request will change by Winter

[gray oriole]

week 2 vault completion's not particularly unrealistic

[golden pond]

Im pretty sure Gold quality daffodils are more reliable though

Wait

[eternal linden]

It might be possible but how realistic is it for most people

[golden pond]

[gray oriole]

well I'm in the middle of doing it right now and I'm not even that good at fishing

someone who's a way better fisher than me could probably do it earlier

[eternal linden]

I need to test this out, pretty sure I am a good fisher

[gray oriole]

I regret buying iridium rod

[golden pond]

There is not

[eternal linden]

Yeah, probably won't help a lot

[gray oriole]

I'm like a few thousand short on the 14th

[steady narwhal]

Damn imagine crafting the blessing statue during winter

[gray oriole]

if I didn't buy the rod i'd definitely have vault by yesterday

[steady narwhal]

Moss shortage be like

[gray oriole]

my pathing was also pretty bad

[nova beacon]

there should be evil fertilizer which makes crops go down in grade, stopping at base so you get more of them for stuff like dehydration, preservation and kegging

[gray oriole]

also I'm doing CC path so I had to do a bunch of less optimal things for bundles

[eternal linden]

I agree, most might not

[gray oriole]

if you do a hybrid CC + joja approach, ppl have finished all the community upgrades by.. the 13th I think it was?

[golden pond]

So. You want GMO crops

[nova beacon]

gmo is genetically modified, which is something I did not say

I said evil fertilizer

[golden pond]

That was in fact the joke

[fierce axle]

void fertilizer

[eternal linden]

Do you happen to have a reference video?

[eternal linden]

10 sap and a void egg for 5?

[frosty coral]

1.6 really made fruit cave the superior choice didn't it

[eternal linden]

Yep

Mushroom cave feels redundant and easily gets out paced

[fierce axle]

oh shot i picked mushroom cave

[gray oriole]

both are redundant by endgame

[nova beacon]

mushroom cave does have a free dehydrator

[gray oriole]

both provide different advantages

[eternal linden]

True but fruit cave is better for longer

[gray oriole]

so?

[fierce axle]

i don't even know what the fruit cave is like

[nova beacon]

and as emperor of the dehydrator empire, I say dehydrators very good. The pipeline is Strawberries, Blueberries, then Cranberries

Blueberries being the best dehydrator crop

[gray oriole]

I use starfruit personally

[nova beacon]

since you’re always getting more blueberries per harvest

[gray oriole]

dehydrator still works wonderfully though

mostly I just pick mushrooms for the foraging xp though

fruit cave's usefulness also gets dimnished a lot if you do daily quests though

[frosty coral]

CA for sure gave it that to compensate for Mushroom Logs existing

[nova beacon]

I really only used my fruit cave for oranges to fast friendship the GOAT Gus

[gray oriole]

mushroom cave's pretty bad for mushrooms yeah

[frosty coral]

But I honestly think Fruit is better for early as well if you go CC route

[gray oriole]

thankfully i don't care about the mushrooms at all

[fierce axle]

is it worth dehydrating ancient fruit?

[nova beacon]

dehydrators are best for multi harvest berries

[gray oriole]

if you have more fruit than kegs/jars

[nova beacon]

since you need 5 per dehydration

[gray oriole]

dehydrator's basically for bulk processing

[nova beacon]

Strawberries, Blueberries and Cranberries are the Dehydrator’s best friends

[frosty coral]

Dehydrator also serves as a way to increase money from mushrooms and for the raisins for Junimo Huts

[gray oriole]

you can jar mushrooms

[eternal linden]

Does the mushroom cave now give foraging XP?

[gray oriole]

5 each iirc

[eternal linden]

Wrong message but same question

[gray oriole]

so 30 xp every 3 days

[eternal linden]

I need to refresh on how XP works

[gray oriole]

chopping a tree down gives 12 xp for reference

[eternal linden]

Ye I know

So it is about half a tree

[gray oriole]

its 2.5 trees

[eternal linden]

5/12 a tree to be specific

[gray oriole]

its not a lot, but foraging always ends up being my last skill for mastery unlock so i hate it

[nova beacon]

5/13 if you include the stump

[eternal linden]

How do you level foraging after combat?

[gray oriole]

?

[eternal linden]

Combat is so slow to level

[gray oriole]

kill more things

[golden pond]

I mean, ngl the Iridium scythe kinda makes the Junimo huts let worth it. You can now do a better job than them, and you have to spend the extra time feeding them just for the chance of getting a double harvest on some crops

[eternal linden]

Not with raisins

[gray oriole]

raisins provide you 20% more crops

[nova beacon]

also would it really be a stardew farm without a junimo hut

[eternal linden]

Though I still have no interest in Junimos

[gray oriole]

its too bad so many of the farm layouts can't even make full use a of a jumino hut

[eternal linden]

I have literally never made a Junimo hut

[gray oriole]

and that ginger island exists and is better for crops

and you can't place a hut in the greenhouse or GI

[golden pond]

Ive never cared enough about late game farming to get them

[frosty coral]

Ah yeah that's true didn't think of that then again I didn’t use Junimo Huts yet

I guess they can be worth on a Standard farm with like full crops

[unkempt dome]

@frosty coral You leveled up to Cowpoke. You can now speak in our voice channels and share images in all channels!

[frosty coral]

awesome

[golden pond]

Not even. With that many crops, it’ll take the Junimos even more time to do their jobs when you could do it for them in less than a game hour

[eternal linden]

Exactly why I don't get them

If I rely on the hut it messes with my routine

[frosty coral]

ok damn they suck then

Guess they make for nice outdoor deco tho

[golden pond]

Yep

[cloud oyster]

they were good for me on switch 1.5 when my entire left side of my farm was ancient fruit, i didnt have to harvest every week

but i cant see many applications outside of that

[golden pond]

Oh yeah, before 1.6, Junimo huts were great

[eternal linden]

I would argue they are mostly just beneficial if you are farming hops

[cloud oyster]

yea, they are definetly best with regrowing crops that have short regrowth time

less of a chore

but if you are only running 2 crops batches a season, probably not

[golden pond]

With the iridium scythe, you can harvest like 15 crops with one swing, and its basically free to obtain

[cloud oyster]

im on meadowlands farm this time, so i probably wont invest into them

[golden pond]

On a completely unrelated note, this is still one of my favorites things about this update

[cloud oyster]

i do like it, wish i could figure out a clever spot for it on my farm, or even a use

[green gyro]

what's a time estimate for how long it'd take on ginger to establish a farm obelisk and get 15 dragon teeth?

from arrival

[frigid mesa]

welp i love the bait maker and fish smoker and the extended family quest

[gray oriole]

15 teeth depends a lot on luck stat, burglar ring, monster musk

[frigid mesa]

and the monster compedeum

[gray oriole]

right

[frigid mesa]

Legend 2 bait is broken infinite money

[uncut briar]

what?? how do you get that

ohh its a cabin

noice

[visual musk]

You can't get more than 1 legendary fish per save now

[golden pond]

Assuming you know all the golden walnut locations by memory/are stalking the wiki and go to the Volcano daily, probably a week or two

[frigid mesa]

Read closely I said legend 2 not the legend

[visual musk]

O

I thought u said 2 for legend to abit

[frigid mesa]

The extended family quest for qi walnut room and a bait maker and fish smoker is infinite money lol

[visual musk]

2 trap bobber swag

Lol

[frigid mesa]

1 gold smoked legend 2 is worth 31499 g

[visual musk]

31.5k??

Holy

[open basin]

Ok this steam overlay thing is really easily ignored throughout the gameplay, but it's really helpful to remember tasks after ending a session

I do recommend it, it's like taking notes of what to do before going to sleep for the day and shit

[golden pond]

Now imagine using Challege bait on Legend 2. Now you got 3 iridum Legend 2’s

[frigid mesa]

I try it move erratic make it hard to catch like that and I try 3 time as I ran out of challenge bait but got a single legend 2 from it

[woven tusk]

Deluxe bait it is, then. Or magnets for treasure

[frigid mesa]

Instead of deluxe use wild bait for chance of double fish

[woven tusk]

Maybe. I really don't like how much bug meat it costs, though

[golden pond]

Ive been told is much easier with Pirate + 2 bobbers + Master Enchantment

[frigid mesa]

Which bobber

[golden pond]

Cork

[woven tusk]

Bring a fishing buff food too, I suppose

[tough remnant]

Legend 2 catch rate peaks at 36% with targeted bait and curiosity lure. 20% with just curiosity lure. I'm unsure that the targeted bait is actually worth it.

[golden pond]

Its not

[gray oriole]

what about if no curiosity lure

[tough remnant]

Definitely not worth it then

[woven tusk]

I went Sturgeoning again today. Winter, this time, with targeted bait.

[golden pond]

Legend 2 is easy enough to hopk without targeting bait and curiosity lure ngl

[tough remnant]

Number of baitx0.16 needs to be >1 to be worth it

[woven tusk]

The fact that this keeps happening makes me wonder if we're missing something

[gray oriole]

what's the issue?

[woven tusk]

16/26 catches were Sturgeon

Well over half

[golden pond]

… was that not the goal?

[woven tusk]

Yes but estimates put it at much lower than that

[tough remnant]

Any fishing buffs?

[woven tusk]

None, base Lv10 fishing. Haven't reached mastery or GI.

Iridium pole, no enchant, trap bobber

[tough remnant]

I think that's about right then?

[wooden oyster]

While we’re on the topic, how much does targeted bait increase largemouth bass chances in the mountains? (Base is 20%)

[tough remnant]

Base is a lot more complicated than that

Fish odds are weird

[golden pond]

Perhaps target bait also decreases the chance of hooking the other fish along with increasing the chance for the targeted ones

[wooden oyster]

Gotcha. Any relative idea though?

Or is this not possible to calculate?

[tough remnant]

I made a rough calculator last night. Doesn't fully work for weird fish at the moment but I can check

[wooden oyster]

Oh that’s awesome. Thanks.

[woven tusk]

Summer in the sun gave us a much, much lower number. Do Perch and Lingcod have really low base bite rates or something?

And there were zero algae

[tough remnant]

Wait, no algae?

[woven tusk]

Zero in 26 catches

[golden pond]

I mean according to the wiki, the rate increase is 1.66

So for Largemouth bass, it would be 33.2%

[tough remnant]

That's wild

[golden pond]

Well,

Thats not including Zone and level but yknow

[tough remnant]

Wiki is... not wrong but poorly phrased and understood

[golden pond]

I mean, considering the results, I wouldn’t say its too wild

[wooden oyster]

Yeah, since I know Sicarious disproved that before, I just ask him lol. It’s more complicated than 1.66 I guess, so I don’t go by that anymore.

[golden pond]

Fair enough

[woven tusk]

So anyway this Sturgeon Bait session was 61.54% Sturgeon. Pity I only have the one smoker, this'll take a while to process...
But yeah my experimental results keep giving me a better showing than the formula as we know it. Maybe other people should try it too and collect more empirical data

[tough remnant]

Getting zero algae is definitely weird

[golden pond]

An AI simulation array for fishing would be pretty fun to study I’d imagine

[woven tusk]

Lady Luck has done some Looney Tunes bullshit in my general direction before, so yeah I might need to see other people's results too

[vocal vigil]

I find algae and seaweed really hard to find too

[woven tusk]

Additional clarification: most but not all of those catches were in bubbles. (The bubbles were near shore; pretty sure I ended up short of max effective fishing zone for those two silver Sturgeon catches)

[golden pond]

Funny enough, In my 1.6 run, I saved every single one of my Algea and seaweed until like Summer Y2 when I sold it all, and then I checked the raccoons and they wanted algae

[cobalt cobalt]

Did anyone else figure out if you leave ||cookies sitting out for santa|| on winterstar's eve, ||the next day it'll be replaced with a mystery box?||

[woven tusk]

Classic Lady Luck moment

[woven tusk]

Hol up

Like, have a table with cookies displayed?

[golden pond]

Now I want to see this, but with coal if it was a bad luck day

[cobalt cobalt]

yes! I tried it with on my new save and I usually do it as a little tradition, but since 1.6, ||I noticed the next day it was replaced with a mystery box||

[golden pond]

Or if you recently obtained doves

[woven tusk]

That's amazing!

[green gyro]

yeah that's what I planned out for but I was also wondering if I could get away with like 5 days by farming the lava snake things with double burglar ring and monster musk

[wooden oyster]

You have mastery? Was it regular or golden?

[golden pond]

Well your best bet really is just hoping for lucky volcano seeds where you get Dragon teeth from skeletons. Thats how I got most of mine anyways

[cobalt cobalt]

which mastery? It happened year one for me

[green gyro]

does luck stat affect those

[golden pond]

Additionally, make a stingray pond and give them an animal cracker

[frigid mesa]

I had a floor in the volcano with the bone but no teeth

[wooden oyster]

Mastery in foraging. If you didn’t have it and you got a regular mystery box, I wonder if it gives a golden mystery box with mastery? Idk throwing it out there.

[golden pond]

Not really

[cobalt cobalt]

Oh, no I didn't and it was a regular mystery box

[wooden oyster]

Ah that’s awesome though.

[gray oriole]

Conclusion, qi is santa

[cobalt cobalt]

that would make too much sense

[green gyro]

wait do burglar rings stack

[golden pond]

they should

[woven tusk]

I hear they stack with the monster compendium but not with each other

[tough remnant]

Should have been:
32.52% Sturgeon
10.44% each Chub, Carp, and Perch
9.64% Largemouth Bass
8.84% Bullhead
8.03% Lingcod
8.03% Green Algae
1.61% River Jelly

[gray oriole]

No

[golden pond]

I stand corrected lol

[woven tusk]

So yeah I got nearly twice the expected value

[gray oriole]

Iirc burglar rings work by accessing a 2nd drop table exclusive to the ring

The ring enables the table so wearing two rings would just enable it twice, doing nothing the 2nd time

[chilly bloom]

^

[green gyro]

oh

[gray oriole]

Its a toggle rather than adding drops directly

[woven tusk]

I promised myself to sleep at a sane hour tonight so I can't carry this convo on. But I wanted to report in that my experimental results keep defying what we know of how targeted bait works.

Which makes me wonder if it's even better than we think it is for Lava Eels

[gray oriole]

Solution: dont sleep

[woven tusk]

But that is for other people to look at right now. I'm going to bed.

[chilly bloom]

Gn gigafreak

[gray oriole]

Jk good night

[woven tusk]

I am not as young as my farmer. I can't manage it

[golden pond]

I just learned that the Burglar’s ring gives you. A chance to get two Prismatic Jelly or Ectoplasm which is amusing

[chilly bloom]

It’s guaranteed not just a chance

[woven tusk]

See you folks later

[golden pond]

Even better

[chilly bloom]

Monster compendium allows for 4

[golden pond]

thats awesome

… Now I kind of wish that Dust sprites werent my last Monster Slaying goal to complete

[gray oriole]

Shouldve farmed them earlier lol

[tough remnant]

Sadly there's no way to keep the spare though

[olive pond]

samson

[gray oriole]

his dad isn't even named sam

[tough remnant]

Do we know anyone's middle names?

[pulsar stump]

Kentson

[frigid mesa]

My first parrot egg is lvl 4

Also where can I sell extra trinket

[golden pond]

Thats sprite is adorable though omg

[olive pond]

there was a dialogue with kent on my recent feast of the winter star which i skipped too fast but it was smthng like hes just happy his "son is healthy"... maybe i misread it but it looked like singular son to me.. who is sam's dad?

[wooden oyster]

So going off Blade’s vod, if largemouth bass odds were 20%, with targeted bait it becomes 70%. Roughly.

20 x 1.66 = 33.2%

1 - 33.2 = 66.8%

1 - (66.8% cubed) = roughly 70%. I find it hard to believe it would be that dramatic.

[golden pond]

Adventurer’s guild

[olive pond]

or is vincent not kent's son...

[gray oriole]

vincent remembers kent as a baby, so he is

[pulsar stump]

This theory seems more believable since Vince has red hair and the rest of his family doesn't BUT we can assume someone in their family has it

[tough remnant]

Should go from roughly 20% to 50%

[gray oriole]

red hair is a recessive trait

[chilly bloom]

There are versions you can keep them on actually but that’s a lot of effort

The mobile patch rn can keep them which is nice

[wooden oyster]

Gotcha. Alright then, I’ll take your word on it. Might change some Spring day 4 ideas for minmaxing.

Thanks Sicarious.

[chilly bloom]

Might be useful for your challenge sicarious

[green gyro]

Are wild seeds still good for foraging XP?

[chilly bloom]

Kinda bad

Only 2 per

Best now is probably mushroom logs or just using the desert fest to buy forage xp books

[tough remnant]

They get lost on update though

[green gyro]

Mushroom logs?

[chilly bloom]

Really?

I can check in a sec

[gray oriole]

they give 2 foraging, 2 farming xp now

[tough remnant]

Yeah, I had a spare prismatic jelly on my old save

[chilly bloom]

3 farming no?

[gray oriole]

oh

maybe?

[tough remnant]

Stored on a table

Got lost in... 1.5.3 I think

[gray oriole]

either way, it's nice for getting farming 6 a bit faster

[chilly bloom]

I have a 1.5.6 save with a spare

I’ll see if it exists in 1.6

[gray oriole]

getting a quest from sebastian is such a pain in the ass

[frigid mesa]

What the chance of getting the extended family quest 3 time in a row

[gray oriole]

I have a like 40 second window between him leaving his room and going back into it to turn this stupid ass quest in

also what the heck sebastian don't sleep for 12 hours a day

[chilly bloom]

broke stardew zoom

@tough remnant I can confirm 1.6 jelly exists

and the invisible artisan goods are still in 1.6.3

[eternal linden]

invisible artisan goods?

[chilly bloom]

yeah now the artisan good colour for some stuff is based on the processed good

and if you have "pickles" or "jelly", etc.

it's just completely invisible

[eternal linden]

nifty

So like specific pickles and jellies are invisible?

[chilly bloom]

ones that have no good

like wine from soef or stuff from the cart

[eternal linden]

Oh cooleo

Air jelly, exotic indeed

[gray oriole]

the little interlude cave inside the entrance to skull cavern persists between desert fes and normal skull cavern right

[steady narwhal]

Non specific jelly and pickles. I have one jar of normal pickles from travelling cart

[vapid wind]

Where do I get raisins from ?

[gray oriole]

dehydrate grapes

[vapid wind]

Ooooh thanks !

[steady narwhal]

5 grapes for raisins

[mental sail]

yes, that's the normal one, my usual chests were there

[gray oriole]

neat ty

[spice star]

Question

Does this stack?

[gray oriole]

the luck rings? yes

[spice star]

Unbelievable. I can't wait to combine them

Who needs defense or magnetism or whatever. Four luck rings/

[gray oriole]

can't combine two rings of the same type but you can wear two rings that both used the same ring in their combination

[spice star]

Oh that's right. Sad

[gray oriole]

most people just use iridium band + luck ring

[spice star]

Maximum of +2 rings with luck

[wooden oyster]

two iridium bands + luck rings I think is the standard walk-around equips, yeah.

[tough remnant]

Yeah I've got those too

[wooden oyster]

Most have some stored rings in a chest for other uses, like iridium band + burglar ring.

[tough remnant]

Wine is pretty nifty because wine still has the actual icon

But also has the drop shadow of the invisible items

[gray oriole]

harvey coming in clutch

i had to sell my diamonds because i did bad math and was short cash for vault bundle

but damn I want his furniture

[harsh bone]

how does luck/daily luck work in multiplayer

do all calculations just take the average of every player

[tough remnant]

A lot of the time yes, although daily luck is mostly shared between players

The averaging is just because of special charm

[harsh bone]

👍

[vapid wind]

I just noticed but the shipment page of the wiki hasnt been updated yet

[atomic sand]

do i have to be divorced to get the next amulet

or can i get it while married

[gray oriole]

mfw i'm resorting to eating a stack of 100+ algae for my SC run

what time does the desert fes even close

[pulsar stump]

I think it's all day?

[gray oriole]

you're right it is all day

unfortunately i ran out of bombs

[dire yoke]

So guise, which mastery should I grab first? Farming? Fishing?

[gray oriole]

farming

[pulsar stump]

I'd say farming personally because I like the mermaid statue it gives and the iridium scythe makes harvesting huge fields SO easy. But fishing gives challenger bait which gives you 3 FISH if perfect

[gray oriole]

iridium scythe's quality of life is way too high to pass up

[pulsar stump]

Agree d

It's such a nice tool

[dire yoke]

I was more thinking about the animal crackers. I'm beach farm and only have the small area that sprinklers work in with normal crops, then the greenhouse full of mostly coffee, ancient fruit and hot peppers with random things throughout (just planting random off-season things I have in order to keep a full fridge in case I want to cook something in particular, etc.

[gray oriole]

animal crackers are good too

basically everything in farming mastery is top tier

but scythe's just seriously way too convenient lmao

removes a lot of the tediousness from farming

[dire yoke]

Just an option to harvest quickly and nothing else tho?

[gray oriole]

have you started farming in ginger island yet

[atomic sand]

if someone and i are dating, and i get engaged to someone else will it end the first relationship

[jovial dune]

I have Qi's Cuisine task going, and I have the espresso to ship, but will additional "Fresh" cooked stuff revert to normal after the task finishes?

[chilly bloom]

I just wasn’t sure they hadn’t been patched in the newest version

[dense merlin]

hmm... meowmere is funny, but is it worth forging my infinity blade into meowmere appearance

[chilly bloom]

It looks kinda odd as a weapon, bit wide proportionally which puts me off of it (also I just don’t use swords in general)

[dense merlin]

it was either gonna be that or neptune's glaive which i've never done but definitely looks more standard

[atomic sand]

will i lose friendship points for offering bouquet too early

[dense merlin]

yes

they'll just go back to "single" but still have the boquet icon

[chilly bloom]

I like the Neptune glaive look ngl

[wooden oyster]

That and holy blade look awesome IMO. Maybe ossified blade.

Wish there were better looking hammers. The recent 1.6 additions add some flavor though.

Harvey’s Mallet or Sam’s Old Guitar look cool.

[chilly bloom]

Yeah a frying pan is valid

Imo I usually run a slammer or dragontooth hammer look

Or those weapons in general, slammer is honestly good enough for almost everything

[wooden oyster]

Those are pretty cool. Ever run a dagger? Elliott’s pencil is a damn near lock if I do moving forward.

[wooden oyster]

Agreed

[chilly bloom]

Yeah I usually main dagger with hammer side lategame

[wooden oyster]

Yeah I’ve seen people do it. I never have. I should.

[chilly bloom]

Imo dragontooth shiv is best dagger for looks and even how good it is when you get it

Trident is pretty awesome too

All the others are mid, idk if it’s me but I don’t like the iridium needle or infinty dagger look

[wooden oyster]

Yeah trident and dragon tooth.

[chilly bloom]

Nah, you should do whatever you like most tbh, I’m one of a few that mains dagger and it’s mostly just to say I do

I am maining dragontooth shiv on mobile rn and it kills basically everything just as well as a needle would

While being accessible midgame sttaight off of the bat (ofc at 1/27 rate or smt)

[wooden oyster]

Oh really? I thought it was an optimal strat? Hammer for special, needle for stragglers.

[mental sail]

Finished all masteries, is that hat thing that appeared in the cave just deco or can I grab it somehow?

[bleak current]

deco

[mental sail]

boo. thanks I mean

[chilly bloom]

Eh so-so

Usually not bothering with when just maining hammer is fine

It’s only really for some things where you really want to squeeze the most out of the time you have or make builds to kill specific monsters

Like stairless runs or ghost geode farming

[stray swift]

but nobody does stairless so the only use case is ghost geode farming

[chilly bloom]

P much or for hardmode sc serpents

As they bundle up and are really ez with dagger

[jovial dune]

do I still need qi seasoned seafoam pudding to get the iridium krobus statue?

I've lost track of what 1.6 has added

[stray swift]

you didnt need it in 1.5 with the master enchantment

[chilly bloom]

Nah

You can use master enchant or a desert buff

Didn’t even need it 1.5

[jovial dune]

ah okay. Thanks

[short cloud]

Omg not me looking for the prismatic butterfly, only to get a shard from a slime in the secret woods lmao

Never did find the butterfly

[glossy cipher]

i never find the butterfly

[chilly bloom]

It can’t be too many places

I added locations to the wiki page a couple weeks back

It’s only like 7 maps or smt

[short cloud]

I checked every location, I couldn't find it sadly 😔

[golden pond]

The only time I ever found the butterfly was when it spawned at the bus stop on a Skull cavern day

[neat sentinel]

hell yeah finally got foraging to level 10 now im finally going to find out whats in that cave

[vapid wind]

btw I was wondering

do you need to complete the raccoon quest individually while you are on multiplayer to get the achievement ?

[neat sentinel]

ok wait so does all xp go towards mastery or what

[vapid wind]

after you have maxed out all skill, yes

[neat sentinel]

and can i eventually get all masteries or do i have to make a choice

[vapid wind]

you will eventually get all masteries

[neat sentinel]

okay sick

[wooden oyster]

What’s the value in geode farming SC? I know magma geodes. I didn’t realize you could geode farm SC for monetary value. Or is it for something else?

[wintry maple]

You farm geodes to get stuff to donate to the museum.

Cause you cam trade omni geodes for artifact troves.

[robust spoke]

10k from fishing on spring 10

bait maker is so good

[vapid wind]

[chilly bloom]

For artifacts and minerals generally. Though there are ways to squeeze a fair bit of cash out of omni geodes

[robust spoke]

btw

do animals path to any grass that existing on the farm that they can access?

or only grass thats near the coop/barn?

[golden pond]

They can path to grass like 16 unobstructed blocks away or smtn from what Ive seen

[robust spoke]

I see

also if I delay planting strawberry seeds to the 15th

will I still get two harvests?

wanna spent the 14th/15th mining for ore so I can make sprinklers

so that way I dont have to water them

[mellow atlas]

i thought you get one less harvest if you don't plant them on fest day

[wintry maple]

Yes and no

If you have a speed boost you need to plant them on the fest day to get the extra harvest.

[hidden ore]

if you use some sort of speed gro and are trying to get three harvests you must put them in on festival day

otherwise you'll easily fit in the two harvests you would normally get

[robust spoke]

so

would the 15th still get two harvests?

[wintry maple]

Yes

[robust spoke]

ty

[hidden ore]

it should, 8 + 4 right?

[robust spoke]

I mean

it doesnt count the day you plant it

so like

15 + 9 = 24 + 4 = 28

I just wanted to confirm

[hidden ore]

growth time is 8 days, not counting the day you plant. so 15 + 8 = 23, 23 + 4 = 27.

either way you are ok

[robust spoke]

👌

[wooden oyster]

Gotcha. Thanks FG.

[pine barn]

When it comes to Qi's Prismatic Grange, it's always the red colour I struggle with. what do other people use?