archived-update-spoilers

[gloomy stag]

you could?

[stark glade]

haley's lost tool is a sword?!

[jovial dune]

fireworks?

I know Qi sells some

[gloomy stag]

yeah we got fireworks now

[gloomy stag]

A weapon to surpass Metal Gear

[mellow atlas]

in older versions if clint gave you prisma shard you could open the same geode in crusher and get guaranteed prisma shard

[tough remnant]

There's no new year event no

[swift bay]

Ohh I gotta buy some fireworks

Aw shucks

[oblique aspen]

does anyone know if dry trees do anything

anything different compared to normal trees to be exact

[warped yew]

I dont know if anyones tried it yet but does building anything in the desert conflict with the desert festival?

[mellow atlas]

good question

[gloomy stag]

I have the exact same question but with Moss trees

[oblique aspen]

i feel it would disapear while the event is on

[tough remnant]

Desert festival is a different map, your stuff just isn't there

Comes back afterwards

[stark glade]

^^

[warped yew]

Oh good I was about to turn my desert into a tree farm and then realized "wait a second....."

[jovial dune]

thankfully

[tough remnant]

My solar farm just mysteriously uninstalled itself

Then was back a few days later

[oblique aspen]

sounds very scary

[warped yew]

Question for you then, does time pass for the solar machines there?

[gloomy stag]

I hate how Moss is so needed for so many important recipes

[warped yew]

Like while the festival is going on

[tough remnant]

I believe so

[gloomy stag]

and the only meaningful way to get a good amount of moss is on the green rain event

ONE DAY OF THE YEAR

[tough remnant]

Not 100% sure though, don't see why it wouldn't

[mellow atlas]

did you try the seeds?

i didn't yet

[tough remnant]

It'd be more effort to code it not passing

[gloomy stag]

Neither have I

[open basin]

What are you guys using moss for? fairy dust?
I don't think I'm at that stage yet

[marble patrol]

It also grows on trees a lot, I'm only just in year 2 but I have hundreds of moss

[gloomy stag]

Treasure totems, mushroom logs

and hyper speed gro iirc

[open basin]

Oh, I see

[gloomy stag]

Treasure totems ESPECIALLY

[pine skiff]

should i buy the price catalouge

[gloomy stag]

Ye

It's useful

[open basin]

Yea, I imagined that treasure totems would be 🔥 when I read it, but didn't see the mushroom logs coming

[marble patrol]

Yup, it's one of the more helpful books, and not too pricey

[warped yew]

Treasure Totems on Ginger Island are really nice for filling out your Museum + getting that hat from the desert trader.

[brittle peak]

Yeah

[oblique aspen]

tbf in that one day you dont wont neeed to gather any more (at least for me, i got like 300 and i dont think that has decreased to me yet)

[gloomy stag]

Yeah but 10 moss per pop

[pine skiff]

should i trade these extras in for those or wait for a better offer

[gloomy stag]

And you want to have at least 70

treasure totems

[warped yew]

Tho i would actually invest in a Deluxe Worm Bin first cuase you actually get a ton of value from Deluxe Bait.

[gloomy stag]

For you

[open basin]

Fr, I didn't take it seriously and still gathered 200

[gloomy stag]

But my stash of 300 moss is already at like 140

[open basin]

If someone uses a speed buff to help it, they'd probably get a shit ton

[gloomy stag]

That's why I'm asking if moss trees give a reliable amount of moss x day

[oblique aspen]

how many days have gone since your green rain?

[gloomy stag]

3

[swift bay]

I love going round on moss day

Cutting all the weeds is so satisfying

[oblique aspen]

if theres lots of trees on your farm i imagine thatd be a good way of gathering more moss

[gloomy stag]

It is

[open basin]

So much

[marble patrol]

Honestly surprising how satisfying it is

[oblique aspen]

why you need so much moss??? godamn

[gloomy stag]

Treasure totems

[warped yew]

Statue of Blessings probably

[open basin]

I didn't even know it existed when it happened to me, so it was an experience
At first it's scary, with the letter and the TV not working and all

[gloomy stag]

And that too, holy shit how could've I forget about that

[brittle peak]

Wait it gives you the other things?! Youre not you paying for those books with items?!

[open basin]

But then it just feels like a playground the size of the entire map

[gloomy stag]

333 moss

[oblique aspen]

ohh... a later game item i see lol

[swift bay]

Haha same, I thought it was acid that was gonna kill my crops

[gloomy stag]

You'll understand once you get there

[oblique aspen]

probably lol

[open basin]

Better to prepare before that then, I'll be getting every moss I see now lol

[open basin]

lol it really looks like acid rain XD

[gloomy stag]

also mushroom logs that are right next to mystic trees always yield purple mushrooms, dry those and they are such a good source of income

[warped yew]

Why do you need so many treasure totems. For the turbin?

[gloomy stag]

For museum completion and golden crackers

[oblique aspen]

im very far away from getting those lol

[warped yew]

I got all of my golden crackers from fishing actually.

[oblique aspen]

im in fall of the first year i dont even have a lv 2 barn yet

[swift bay]

Ooh can you farm golden crackers? I only found one so far

[gloomy stag]

Cool to know

[gloomy stag]

Ikr, I tried fishing for them and only got max two per day

and in max luck days too

[open basin]

Same, I'm not there yet, but I have the fully upgraded barn- I forgot the name

[swift bay]

Wow

[gloomy stag]

I need around 30

So I'm done with fishing, gonna do treasure totems

[warped yew]

Im not sure if Pirate affects the Odds of Gold Chests but they i ended up getting way too many. I sitll dont see why 70, like i could see maybe 10 to get enough for your animals but 70 totems? sheesh

[brittle peak]

How likely am I to get one?

[gloomy stag]

70 totems require 700 moss

I ain't got even near that amount of moss

[warped yew]

yeah my question is why 70 specifically.

[gloomy stag]

Because it's a reliable amount to get started

[pine skiff]

you can trade in extra books you have to him if thats what ur asking

[open basin]

700 just to get started damn

[gloomy stag]

My projection is that with 70 totems I could get enough crackers and hopefully museum completion

[brittle peak]

Yeah that is what I was asking, and that is so cool!

[tough remnant]

No they don't they cap out at ~59% purple mushroom rate with 12+ logs

[gloomy stag]

O

I thought they gave them reliably

Damn

My plans for a mushroom log money maker are ruined

leave me alone to weep

[open basin]

That would be a really sick way of getting millions

I wonder how the farmer's letters to his parents would be

[gloomy stag]

"yeah I sell mushrooms now"

[open basin]

"Hi dad I just got 2 mil for selling mushrooms"

[gloomy stag]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Great minds think alike yada yada

[tough remnant]

Also you can pickle (non-red) mushrooms now

[open basin]

Noice hsahdsahd

[tough remnant]

Which is significantly more profitable than drying them

[brittle peak]

Wait, really?!

[gloomy stag]

pickled mushrooms are something else

[brittle peak]

Do they make good money?

[tough remnant]

You can pickle all forage that isn't poisonous in-game

[open basin]

Sounds like a weird thing a 5 star chef would put on my $1000 plate

[tough remnant]

770g per purple mushroom with artisan

[brittle peak]

That's not bad

[warped yew]

im still kinda bewildered by how many pieces of museum collection and crackers do you need? cause i still think 70 totems is alot since it spawns a whole ring around you + it also spawns artifact troves.

[tough remnant]

Pretty good considering you can get as many as 1.5 per mushroom log per day on average with enough mystic trees

[brittle peak]

Is it updated in the wiki? Because I'm not able to find it

[tough remnant]

I wonder if treasure totems are actually more profitable to use than just selling raw ingredients

[tough remnant]

Nope, wiki out of date

[brittle peak]

Ok

[vapid furnace]

To be fair, I think the limiting factor to treasure totems instead of raw mystic syrup is the moss

I don't know if there is a good way to farm it except on a single day of the 112 day year cycle

[tough remnant]

And I CBF making an account to fix all the mistakes

[gloomy stag]

It spawns artifact troves?

[tough remnant]

Because SDV wiki doesn't allow editing without accounts

[warped yew]

On ginger island artifact spots can get you treasure troves

sorry not artifact troves mb typo

[median imp]

guys help why did mr.qi just drop boxes on sdv???

[tough remnant]

I have no idea what you're talking about

[vapid furnace]

Cause he did

[tough remnant]

Treasure troves aren't a thing?

[gloomy stag]

Mr Qi campaign to end world hunger

[median imp]

oh thats nice

[warped yew]

Oh wait

[unkempt dome]

@warped yew You leveled up to Cowpoke. You can now speak in our voice channels and share images in all channels!

[warped yew]

i was right the name is Artifact trove

[vapid furnace]

I like to think that the single cutscene with mystery boxes shows how Mr. Qi does most of his things

Such as, you know, Qi beans

[warped yew]

i thought it was called treasure trove for a moment

[vapid furnace]

You can get them while fishing, you can get them while mining, you can get them while chopping wood down.

I swear I got one from cutting fiber once

[open basin]

The bookseller overwrites ppl birthdays or am I crazy?

[sacred river]

No

The bookseller's arrival is not in any birthday

[open basin]

Caroline's birthday in the wiki says 25 fall, it's 25 fall now

oh my god

It's almost 1am I'm so glad I read it wrong

CLINIC VISIT is 25 fall

[vapid furnace]

I thought Caroline's was during Winter

[open basin]

I was so confused lmao

I was, in fact, crazy ☝️🤓

[vapid furnace]

Have the Winter calendar in-game, why not

[warped yew]

Just noticed how bloated the winter calender looks. theres alot of stuff that goes on in winter

[open basin]

Makes sense, since we can't grow crops

[kind meteor]

is it actually possible to change your cat's appearance at the wizard's tower? im in his basement and it doesnt let me change anything other than my guy

[sacred river]

4 events, and the month with the most birthdays

It's intended to be busy

[vapid furnace]

They made it so you can buy more pets

[open basin]

And trout derby, and night market

[vapid furnace]

Including the various colors

[pine barn]

I love that it's busy.

[open basin]

ye

[kind meteor]

im in y1 i aint got it like that right now lol

[pine barn]

there used to be nothing to do. Which, first year, was great. Lots of time for mining etc. But after the first year you need occupation

[ornate loom]

how do i find these twt

[tough remnant]

Yeah I'm still surprised that Winter got Squidfest for the other minor holiday rather than Fall getting something

[open basin]

I'm gonna use winter as a construction simulator and farm planner I think

[pine barn]

Well, squid are totally annoying to catch

[tough remnant]

Not really? Squid are pretty common

[sacred river]

Fall is intended to be the least busy so you can prepare for Winter

[pine barn]

it's a great time to rearrange your fields and sprinklers

[sacred river]

Probably idk

[open basin]

Yup

[ornate loom]

can anybody help me D:

[sacred river]

Bear in mind Fall is the only month without a 1.6 event

[open basin]

It's where I change stuff in my layout, mostly

[open basin]

What's up?

[ornate loom]

dis

[pine barn]

oh yeah. I'm thinking of octopus

[open basin]

o

[tough remnant]

I mean, it used to be exactly as busy as every other season 2 holidays per season, and Fall had the holiday requiring the most prep

[open basin]

The jellies?

[warped yew]

Spring got the Desert Festival, Summer got Trout Derby, and Winter got Squid Fest

poor fall

[ornate loom]

and that last fish yeah!!

where do u get em

[open basin]

How did you fish so much and didn't get any jellies

I'm impressed

It's like junk

[ornate loom]

1.5 save

[open basin]

Oooh makes sense

[ornate loom]

i just got back into it

[open basin]

They replace junk iirc

[uneven lake]

In the pools, beneath waterfall near the hatmouse

[ornate loom]

pools?

[open basin]

Yea you fish in the water with different coloring in waterfalls

[pine barn]

waterfalls

[uneven lake]

I'm assuming that it's the gobby

[pine barn]

it is

[ornate loom]

ok thanks!

[open basin]

This fish looks rlly cute btw, I was impressed

[uneven lake]

Yeh that

[ornate loom]

where sda fish 2

[open basin]

Just a silly guy.

[ornate loom]

wheres the little fish

[open basin]

little fish?

[ornate loom]

new fish

[open basin]

Yea that's the waterfall guy

[warped yew]

honestly i hate fishing for cave jelly

[uneven lake]

That is the one.

[open basin]

The thing next to the waterfall guy is another jelly

[uneven lake]

The jellies are in river, ocean and mines

[tough remnant]

Cave Jelly is easiest

[ornate loom]

oh is the fish in mountains?

[pine barn]

I found the other two to be the easiest

[open basin]

Cindersap forest's waterfalls

[uneven lake]

Near the hat mouse

[ornate loom]

tyty

i got em >:D

goby moment

[uneven lake]

Probably because you don't usually fish in the mines except for the collection and lava eels.

[open basin]

Nice

[tough remnant]

Mines 100 with luck buffs, and short casts. With just +3 luck, ~20% of your catches will be Cave Jelly. With max luck of +9, 50% will be Cave Jelly.

[ornate loom]

so wait where do i find the non-cave jellies

and what level do i mine at for cave jelly

[tough remnant]

Lava Eel more common with longer casts and that check happens first, so short is optimal for cave jellies

[high marsh]

So I'm still waiting for the Switch release. How many of you went with remixed bundles for the update and what are they like?

[uneven lake]

River is in the river, ocean is in the ocean

[woven tusk]

You don't mine for cave jelly, you fish for it

[ornate loom]

thankies

[pine barn]

this is true. but I caught a lava eel and just stuck it in a pond. Now I have more cave jelly than the others. 😄

[woven tusk]

Ideally at B100F

[ornate loom]

i meant what level do i fish xD

[woven tusk]

20 and 60 also have it but waaaaaay less common there

[uneven lake]

Any

[tough remnant]

TBH River is also in a lot of places that aren't rivers at all. River is more "freshwater" than actual river.

[woven tusk]

I got a lot of my river jelly while fishing for Sturgeons in the mountains

[open basin]

The horse book says you just get a little extra speed but damn, I feel like I'm flying
Nice

[tough remnant]

100 will give highest rates

[uneven lake]

I mean close enough.

[woven tusk]

You can get river jelly from the hecking desert if you cast in exactly the right place

[sick shale]

for the trout derby: is the wiki saying 33% chance per single rainbow trout catch to get a golden ticket legit

[woven tusk]

It felt lower to me, maybe 25%ish

[sick shale]

gotten 17 rainbow trout (with the bait maker), two tags from fish, two from chests (pirate)

[ornate loom]

does anybody know how the queen of suace book works?

[sick shale]

so i'm starting to think my ass it's 33%

[woven tusk]

Teaches you every Q.o.S. recipe you missed

[tough remnant]

That's normal, the casting in the right place thing is just strats for efficient farming.

[median imp]

mr.qis mystery box cutscene made me skip the junimo fixing cutscene D:

[uneven lake]

ohhh i forgot this exists, where can i find this?

[median imp]

i just gives u all the recipes if im right

[woven tusk]

I get that it works but I would not agree that it is anything resembling normal

[vapid furnace]

I just realized something

[ornate loom]

it didnt

[vapid furnace]

Willy never sells actual fish in his shop if you don't sell any fish.
And he doesn't have the "I caught a fish!" indicator, except for the quality bobber cutscene and ice festival event.

[median imp]

oh

[ornate loom]

bookseller

[vapid furnace]

Unlike the random NPCs in the trout / squid derbys

He sucks at fishing

[median imp]

oh wait it only gives u the recipes from the tv channel mb

[tough remnant]

It's just part of the desert fishing table, you get it from the regular pond as well

[tough remnant]

All cooking recipes that you learn from QotS

Recipes from other sources you need to learn yourself

[mellow atlas]

he just chillin

like an old guy on fishing

just sits and sips a drink

[woven tusk]

Our grandpappy's fishing pole is better than his grandpappy's fishing pole

[ornate loom]

what are these then

[woven tusk]

You can win the grange display with all fish.
Willy is attempting this and laments that his score is shit

[open basin]

I like to think he doesn't announce when he gets one, my image of Willy needs to stay intact /j

[woven tusk]

Not from Queen of Sauce

Is that one Poi?

Leo friendship recipe?

[mellow atlas]

coctail i guess

[gloomy stag]

^

[ornate loom]

no idea

[mellow atlas]

and maybe leo

let me check on wiki

[open basin]

Mango pudding

[tough remnant]

Mango Sticky Rice and Poi I think?

[woven tusk]

So yeah the Q.o.S. cookbook worked fine, those two have nothing to do with Q.o.S.

[open basin]

rice*

[tulip fossil]

Leo 7 hearts in mail and ummmm I think that’s the one Gus sells if he’s running the tiki bar at the resort

[ornate loom]

thanks!

[ornate loom]

oh lord @_@ i haven't been working on leo at all

[mellow atlas]

mango rice from leo 7 and poi from leo 3

[woven tusk]

Both from Leo. Well, that solves that

[mellow atlas]

just spam iridium feathers

[tulip fossil]

Oh both Leo he likes duck feathers and mangos for best gifts

[woven tusk]

Maybe throw in a stardrop tea, too

The tea was added for just this kind of situation

[mellow atlas]

i used stardrop tea to reach 13 hearts

in one day from 10

nice thing

don't know where i got 5 of them from

[tulip fossil]

If you don’t have those any universal love or an easy liked gift is spice berries don’t forget the star drop tea is unaffected by the gift limit and is 1 heart on normal days and 3 hearts on birthdays great for spamming someone friendship easy @ornate loom

[warped yew]

ive been using stardrop tea to just immediately get leo i aint going to the island every day to talk to him.

[tulip fossil]

2 stardrop teas and an iridium loved gift is almost 10 hearts on a birthday

[woven tusk]

An easier almost-universal gift is Earth Crystal. A Crystalarium will produce two in a day, and everyone except Pierre and Linus likes it

[uneven lake]

does double treasure bobber stack? I've yet to encounter my first golden treasure.

[tulip fossil]

I recommend spice berry because what else will you do with them and easy to get iridium with botanist

[mellow atlas]

no as i remember

[open basin]

I like that concept

[woven tusk]

I mean, after Mastery? Tapper is kinda valid with Mystic Syrup

[warped yew]

did you take angler or pirate cause ive been wondering if pirate influences the chances or not

[tulip fossil]

It’s such an easy love bomb

[warped yew]

cant tell if i was just really lucky hitting golden treasure chests

[tulip fossil]

Botanist I still think is my preferred

[uneven lake]

i have angler.

[open basin]

"I just met this guy but he gave me an iridium mango and 2 weird tea and I kinda feel like I'm ready to die for him"

[tulip fossil]

I met him on my birthday I think I wanna move to where he lives and leave my family

[woven tusk]

I mean it's apparently really hecking good tea

[open basin]

We finally got something more stoned than Emily /j

I bet it makes you feel nice as hell for someone to just straight up love you lol

[tulip fossil]

I believe it’s just shy of 10 hearts to do that so you will need to give 1 more gift or talk to them for like half a week to top it off

[open basin]

Fair enough

[tulip fossil]

Cause an iridium loved gift is just shy of 4 full hearts on a birthday

I think it’s 960 friendship

With a heart being 250

[tough remnant]

Yeah, the inventory space savings are more valuable than the income TBH

[tulip fossil]

Each tea is 750 points on a birthday

750 * 2 + 960 is 2460 with 2500 being 10 hearts

[warped yew]

Sometimes im tempted to go the Tree chopping one for the chance to drop hardwood from trees but each time i steel myself

[tulip fossil]

That’s a ridiculous love bomb

[tough remnant]

You can also talk to them for 20 friendship don't forget

[tulip fossil]

I think 3 teas and a like gift also works and I believe that will max friendship on a birthday but it’s a lot to get a mass amount of tea so i prefer 2 teas and a loved gift

[stark glade]

people who forgot to get friendship with leo now going on his birthday with an iridium feather and 4 stardrop tea

[dire crest]

can someone help? i got a jewels of the sea book and is it a permanent buff? how to use it

[tulip fossil]

Yeah that’s 980

[stark glade]

right click

[tulip fossil]

That’s too much

Just 2

[dire crest]

dang i feel dumb rn

[stark glade]

it should appear in your special items tab in the menu, purple star icon

[tulip fossil]

4 teas is 12 hearts

3 hearts per tea on a birthday

[warped yew]

Doesnt doing things with the parrots also raise friendship with leo or am i crazy?

[tulip fossil]

Leo sandy and dwarf I think will be my goto team love bomb people I always forget to gift them

[stark glade]

I can't believe the one thing I was missing from the special items tab was a Leo and Jas cutscene that gives me 5x spring onion sell price

[tulip fossil]

The stardrop tea is insanely op on birthdays

It took me so long to realize they were not bound to the daily or weekly gift limits

[warped yew]

I wish Leo gave more cutscenes to Jas and Vincent

[stark glade]

that's so nice

[vapid furnace]

I think that might be the hardest special item to get, since it's specifically during spring that you get the cutscene

And you need to max out their friendships before the end of Year 2 Spring, cause you AIN'T maxxing them out on Year 1

[stark glade]

I had no idea you could until 3 days ago

[warped yew]

though leo is a little weird for hiding in the bushes and watchin jas skip rope so maybe thats not the best idea.

[uneven lake]

I'm convinced i'm never gonna get the spring onion mastery because... vincent.

[tulip fossil]

I’m so glad this is its own screen it was so awkward when mods added key items and they had to make the key items a scrolling bar

[vapid furnace]

My problem is Jas

Vincent is easy. Grapes and Snails

I have no clue what Jas likes that is easy to obtain

[stark glade]

even has space for a good 27 more items down there

[tulip fossil]

The description just makes it sounds like another universal loved gift which is kinda true but it has its own rules

[uneven lake]

my problem is i don't care about vincent.

[vapid furnace]

That's harsh

[warped yew]

Unironically I did Skull Cavern dives just to get Fairy Boxes cause i didnt want to wait around for loved Jas gifts

[stark glade]

I had everyone on max hearts except for the kids and alex

the kids does not mean leo because leo's cool

[tulip fossil]

Fairy roses are quite easy but I often save the couple of free pink cakes for her

[tough remnant]

Easiest is plum pudding TBH. That or you actually grow a field of fairy roses for gifting.

[median imp]

any suggestions to catch the lava eel cus i found it buts its a little fast im lvl 7 fishing btw with the 2nd best fishing rod

[woven tusk]

Which fishing rod is the 2nd best

[vapid furnace]

Fiberglass

[median imp]

yeah fiber one

[vapid furnace]

Wait...

[tulip fossil]

Not like you’ll use them for fairy dust anymore with mystic syrup

[woven tusk]

...Are you sure

[median imp]

i have fiber one

oh ok but what r tips

[vapid furnace]

Well, now fiberglass is the third best. But that's not what matters

[median imp]

for catching that fast eel

[woven tusk]

Get the iridium rod and attach a trap bobber

[stark glade]

currently 2nd best is iridium but should we really count mastery

[woven tusk]

Trap Bobber is a big help for anything with that much fight

[vapid furnace]

If you have food that boosts your fishing skill, that increases the green bar size

[tough remnant]

Get iridium rod so you can use trap bobber if you're struggling. +fishing food helps too

[median imp]

ok

thanks guys

[vapid furnace]

Willy sells trout soup that adds 1, there is Dish o' the Sea which adds 3

[uneven lake]

deluxe bait is nice too

[warped yew]

Id rather use the Fairy Rose for Fairy Dust, just personally.

[tough remnant]

I mean as opposed to just growing them for honey lol

[uneven lake]

spamming mystic syrup with fairy dust for treasure totems is nice. i don't know if it's related or just luck I get a hundreds of omni geodes from ginger island spots on Geode buff days.

[warped yew]

No its legit crazy how many gedoes you get from using the Treasure Totems on Ginger islands

[uneven lake]

I love that they probably made geode crusher a no coal cost machine because of this

[warped yew]

they did?

[uneven lake]

yeh

[warped yew]

wait wtf i didnt know they made it no coal now

thats interesting

does it crack open the boxes too?

[uneven lake]

nah still only clint

[tough remnant]

No

[maiden fiber]

I thought it was because fish smoker require them

[tough remnant]

Still need Clint for the fancy stuff

CA didn't want to make the townsfolk completely redundant

[tulip fossil]

You know there’s an easy way to get dust now

[zenith garnet]

I saw a skunk at the bus stop. What is this?

[uneven lake]

i mean it's probably because no one used geode crushers before because of so many other things more useful that it.

[tulip fossil]

You can trade mystic syrup for dust

[open basin]

This is the only cutscene I go out of my way to lower my hearts with someone

[uneven lake]

but imagine wasting coal on 999 omni geodes or worse cracking 999 omni geodes at clints

[tulip fossil]

Mine is pennys 2 heart she should not be coddled for an ableist mentality to not push a wheelchair without asking if the person needs help

[tough remnant]

That's probably because it was useless before. Cost 25g and no time to crack it at Clint, versus a coal (worth around 250g if you ever buy coal) to use crusher. Only usecase was genuinely the exploit where you could use crushers to duplicate geode results for double prismatic shard or whatever.

[open basin]

I have my opinions on that one but that's not the topic so-

[warped yew]

Yeah but Mystic Syrup takes a while to get, with a sell cost of 3000 and its like 5 mahogany seeds i might as well just sell the syrup and get fairy rose seeds from Pierre in the fall.

[open basin]

The thing with Demetrius is that it's NOT about the classification of Tomato, is that Robin asked him for fruit

And this mf genuinely thinks she wanted tomatoes

My brother. In christ.

[woven tusk]

I suspect it's more like...

[tulip fossil]

I genuinely think Demetrius has the tism

[open basin]

That doesn't mean shit

[woven tusk]

He saw tomatoes, remembered they are a fruit, remembered he was asked to pick up fruit... and didn't stop to think about what it means

[open basin]

I'm autistic too, why tf would I bring tomatoes when someone asks me for fruit?

[maiden fiber]

Wdym I always used them lol

[open basin]

It's like "Get me water" and gets them ice cubes

[brittle peak]

Fruit obviously

[uneven lake]

does anyone know if the coal drop buff from the statue count for dust sprites or only on mining?

[tulip fossil]

I mean sure I’m also autistic but you forgot autism is a spectrum disorder just because you experience something with autism doesn’t make it representative of all autistic people

[open basin]

Is it water? yea, does it make sense to bring ice cubes when they want water? lol

[open basin]

I didn't say he's like me? LMAO

It's just the ice cubes thing

[tulip fossil]

I also agree that doesn’t make the way Demetrius acts at time ok for robins mental health

[uneven lake]

it's obviously a vegetable because i can't dehydrate it.

[open basin]

It's the ice cube thing

Don't bring ice if someone asks for water, same shit

[ornate loom]

without spoiling anything, can someone help me understand this?

[tough remnant]

No

[uneven lake]

hard mode.

[ornate loom]

O_O

how do i activate it?

[open basin]

harder, harder cave

[warped yew]

spoilers

[regal fulcrum]

Well, it looks like a button and a skull carving on the wall behind it.

[tulip fossil]

It’s just the shrine equivalent of dangerous skull caverns

[brittle peak]

Yeah but technically it's a fruit

[tulip fossil]

It’s not a new thing it’s just the qi quest version of skull caverns from 1.5 but now you can activate it whenever after doing the quest once

[ornate loom]

are you sure there's no way to tell me how to activate without spoiling anything? like, "quest from gus" or "quest item from x" etc

[open basin]

It's not rlly about that tho

[uneven lake]

guys i think demetrius is in the chat

[ornate loom]

okay awesome thanks :D

[gloomy stag]

once you press it, your life will flash before your eyes

[open basin]

LMAO

[drowsy steeple]

you won't believe what some people drink other than the milk

[gloomy stag]

XDDDDDDDDDDD

[open basin]

I know it's a fruit, but I told him it's a veggie just because I refuse to agree with this guy

[tulip fossil]

If you know the shrine that’s similar at the bottom of the mines from 1.5 same idea

[gloomy stag]

it's a fruit?

[warped yew]

tbh im a demetrius defender it is a fruit, and maybe he saw that tomatoes were on sale. They're a cheap fruit though he should have just asked the farmer for fruit at that point but

[stark glade]

it has seeds and it grows from the flower of its plant

[open basin]

I don't trust him, but the guy says it is /j

[drowsy steeple]

oh great now we have the culinary definition, botanical definition, and stardew definition of fruit

[tough remnant]

I'm annoyed I can't out-pedant him and say "both, you see fruits are actually a subcategory of vegetables"

[open basin]

Get salmon berries from the ground

[vapid furnace]

It's scientifically a fruit, but used as a vegetable in the kitchen

[stark glade]

this was NOT written by demetrius

[open basin]

Get plums, ANYTHING from the grounds

[uneven lake]

my grandfather is a farmer, I once asked him if tomato is a fruit. He made me eat a fruit salad with tomatoes.

[open basin]

My guys comes back with tomatoes, come on.

[vapid furnace]

Robin wanted to make a fruit salad or something.
Demetrius got tomatoes because he's a scientist

[stark glade]

wrong message

[stark glade]

yeah that's called a culinary vegetable

[vapid furnace]

I wish there was an option saying "Technically, both"

[tulip fossil]

Idk I feel some Demetrius hate is justified some is literally guised misunderstanding of some I don’t dare use the term mid functioning but you get my point people who would be classified in that range when that was a classification

[open basin]

It's also just rlly think to think that someone would want a tomatoe when they say they want a fruit

[warped yew]

But putting Tomatoes in Fruit Salads is something people do

[vapid furnace]

Yes it's classified as a fruit, but it's used as a vegetable. So it's both a fruit and a vegetable in a weird, quantum way.

[woven tusk]

Ah yes, salsa

[vapid furnace]

Listen, I do not want to call ketchup a smoothie

[uneven lake]

Tomato: Not so Civil War

[open basin]

Translate, 'cause I'm not sure what that connects to the tomato thing

[open basin]

Tru, but we don't know if she was going to make a fruit salad too

[warped yew]

Banana Ketchup has entered the chat

[tough remnant]

If you wanna be real technical, all edible fruits are also vegetables. Vegetables are literally just any part of a plant you eat, which includes fruit.

[woven tusk]

One of Robin's favorite foods is Spaghetti, so... the tomato might've honestly helped with that

Anyway I'm about to go give Robin some rocks

[open basin]

If she wanted tomato, I truly think she'd just specifically ask for tomatoes tho

[woven tusk]

...Her scaffold is in the way because she's building my Stable

[tulip fossil]

You make the assumption that everyone can connect what Robin means by fruit but social context like that is exactly what is hard for some people who have more severe autism case it’s why we should get rid of the terms “low functioning and high functioning” it suggests a binary for autism that doesn’t exist

[open basin]

But when someone says fruit, it's like 99,9% chance it's something that more fruit than a tomato

[drowsy steeple]

I still don't understand why Dad gives me rocks

[vapid furnace]

Also, here's another thing I just realized.
Demetrius came home with an entire bucket of tomatoes

[open basin]

Then he could at least ask if she meant fucking tomatoes, it's not that deep bruh

[drowsy steeple]

even if I were a stonemason it would be weird to give me fucking rocks

[vapid furnace]

Not a variety of fruits, just specifically tomatoes

[woven tusk]

With what cell phone

[open basin]

fr

[warped yew]

I mean im not autistic id still get Robin tomatoes she wants fruit, she likes Spaghetti. Shed probably like the taste of tomatoes, tomatoes are a fruit and you know what theres some weird instances of people in anime who like tomatos for some reason

[woven tusk]

We're out in the sticks, there's not likely to be a cell tower around here

[tough remnant]

Asking for generic "fruit" is weird anyway. Like, a passionfruit and a pear are not remotely interchangeable

[open basin]

Before leaving the house? they don't have cellphones

[woven tusk]

He didn't stop to think about which kind of fruit until the first one he saw (tomatoes)

[open basin]

True

[stark glade]

I wanna make a fruit salad, get me some fruits please
buys 72 pears
no demetrius

[open basin]

It's still the ice cubes thing for me tbh

[vapid furnace]

I like how people managed to invent stuff that can teleport physical matter in an instant, but the moment they need to only transmit information, that's when it got too difficult

[woven tusk]

buys 72 pears
Oh man, it's the guy my math textbook warned me about

[open basin]

hahahah fr

[drowsy steeple]

what's the worst fruit to put in fruit salads

[warped yew]

he does have a computer though doesnt he?

[drowsy steeple]

durians?

[stark glade]

my guy went to marnie, bought a bucket, went back to pierre and bought his whole stock of tomatoes

[humble tinsel]

Durians for sure

[tulip fossil]

A valid criticism of Demetrius I think is he refusal to acknowledge he has a stepson

[mellow atlas]

I personally wouldn't do the fruit thing but I did relate to Demetrius to some degree because I've done stuff when someone didn't specifically spell things out for me and I've dealt with allistics going "why would you even do that"

[tough remnant]

Probably mistletoe berries

[vapid furnace]

Doesn't the telephone furniture item work anywhere in the game?

[woven tusk]

Dial-up internet existed long before cell phones (and more importantly their infrastructure) became commonplace

[open basin]

I'd think they do have cellphones tho, he had ways of contacting her

[warped yew]

A Valid Criticism of Demetrius is that he is just a bad father in general, he ignores sebastian and just babies maru

[uneven lake]

idk maybe citrus?

[tulip fossil]

Cell phones never appear or are mentioned in stardew only rotary phones

[stark glade]

plasma tv but no cell phones is crazy

[humble tinsel]

Sebastian is better off without Dem anyway

[regal fulcrum]

"Really, babe. A Pear? I was gonna bake an Apple Pie. Ugh."

[woven tusk]

An electrical socket is way easier to get out in the sticks than a cell tower

[open basin]

Yes I went through that in moments I can't even count 'cause they were too many, but tomatoes when they want generic fruit is still beyond me

[tulip fossil]

Also realistically he could of left his phone at home it’s a small town he was only going to the market

[open basin]

And the farmer only able to answer the classification of tomato didn't feel right too, I wanted to say they both lacked communication

[woven tusk]

That's the point of that scene

[vapid furnace]

To be fair, the farmer didn't have much context

[woven tusk]

Demetrius is trying to clear it up but Robin's too busy being mad so he's stuck on defense mode

[vapid furnace]

We the player did hear most of the argument, but the farmer only heard "Would you call a tomato a fruit?"

[woven tusk]

The farmer's intervention nudges Robin off-balance long enough for Demetrius to explain himself

(Unless you say it's a vegetable I guess, in which case he's probably fucked)

[open basin]

I was pretty sure Leah's significant other had a cellphone on their cutscene but I don't really care about the matter to go deeper to be entirely honest

[tulip fossil]

Tbf demetrius and robin do not seem like a stable relationship

[drowsy steeple]

assuming they didn't press their ear to the door the whole time

[warped yew]

Actually no if you say Vegetable all Demetrius says is "huh thought a farmer would know the difference"

[uneven lake]

everybody knows the farmer is some type of beholder and can see things that are obstructed or far away.

[warped yew]

and then he just continues with the scene

[woven tusk]

Does that matter? Leah wasn't, because Stardew Valley is out in the middle of nowhere

[open basin]

The farmer went inside before Robin said she wanted fruit right?

[warped yew]

then Demetrius REALLY becomes a dick

[stark glade]

it's one of those facebook interaction bait images like

which is correct?
(image of jesus) vegetable
(image of the devil) fruit

[woven tusk]

Cell phones exist but there's no infrastructure for them in the Valley

[maiden fiber]

Im regards to just their relationship, they seem fine. Not every couple is perfect

[regal fulcrum]

Is a tree a plant?

[tough remnant]

Might be a satellite phone, Kel is supposedly some kind of bigshot successful city person

[open basin]

Yea, I imagined only them had one because they're from the city

[stark glade]

Nuh uh

[tulip fossil]

Oh I agree 2 people can be fine and not bad on their own but toxic in a relationship

[open basin]

But same thing still, they have a lot of technology but no cellphones lol
I think they just prefer not using it

[warped yew]

"Is tomato a fruit or a vegetable?"
"Vegetable?"
"Thought you would know the difference but guess not"

I will say that is something a dick would ends up saying and then at the end of the conversaiton he still THANKS you for saying Vegetable

[drowsy steeple]

that's precisely why CA should make robin marriable

[woven tusk]

There are places even in America with no cell phone infrastructure

[dire hollow]

Hey y'all

[open basin]

I don't think they seem all that stable either

[woven tusk]

A cell phone is just an expensive brick in those places

[stark glade]

get this man a true

[open basin]

Differently than the other couples, it's like their couple problems are more apparent

[woven tusk]

Kel could use a cell phone in Zuzu City because there would be cell phone infrastructure there

[tough remnant]

Not really. It's pretty accurate to turn-of-the-millennium rural towns from what I remember

[open basin]

At least it's what I can remember, I remember more of what they disagree

[warped yew]

and while we're on the topic of Demetrius can we talk about how he bought his wife the same power saw brand twice

[stark glade]

"we're lucky to have cable in this middle of nowhere town"

[warped yew]

"That brands so neat i think ill buy it again"

[drowsy steeple]

put apparent in bold because pierre and caro have commitment problems

[open basin]

Not really what? I also don't think they like using phones

[woven tusk]

Do we have cable or are we actually using airwaves

[warped yew]

Not just the same brand the same MODEL

[uneven lake]

no cables, we have satellite.

[open basin]

Commitment problems? I can't remember that either tbh lol

[stark glade]

those antennas need some steel wool to get the satellite info

[maiden fiber]

I still don’t think their relationship is toxic, I think it has flaws but not toxic lol

[drowsy steeple]

if not actual commitment problems like in the "abigail is wizard's daughter" theory then trust problems

[uneven lake]

i mean the sheep make iridium wool...

[open basin]

Ooh, I see, true

It'd hard to believe the wizard x abigail thing is just a theory sometimes ngl

[eternal linden]

Do crops still wither without water?

[open basin]

I think there's a line where she says she paints her hair though? well.

[woven tusk]

No, their growth just pauses

...Did they ever wither without water?

[tough remnant]

I don't think Caroline was implied to necessarily be together with Pierre at that point, plus it was 20 years ago or so.

[woven tusk]

That's a Rune Factory thing, I think

[eternal linden]

I thought they did

[drowsy steeple]

the problem is that she never did

[woven tusk]

Not a Stardew thing

[warped yew]

It kindof is. Its pretty weird Robin likes Quartz But Demetrius dislikes it

[stark glade]

Caroline does say that Abigail's hair used to be around the same color as Pierre's once

[tough remnant]

Nope

[drowsy steeple]

then why does he wonder if she's his child

[eternal linden]

Wait really?

[stark glade]

all the women of stardew valley eat rocks

[open basin]

I don't remember that tbh-

[eternal linden]

I have memories of them dying from no water

[tough remnant]

Because Abigail looks nothing like him

[woven tusk]

A chestnut brown, were her exact words

[maiden anvil]

Damn I want into the mastery cave but I'm at 4 foraging and 10 everything else

[tulip fossil]

Idk most of their heart event together involve an argument

[drowsy steeple]

no i mean they must have already been together when caro had abigail

[uneven lake]

do any of the parent and child npcs look like each other?

[open basin]

Oh well

[warped yew]

alll the parent events are about a fight between them and their spouses

[woven tusk]

Maru's hair was recolored from brown to reddish in beta, to better reflect Robin's DNA

[warped yew]

Kent yells at his wife cuase popcorn reminds him of the war with the gotoro empire.

[tough remnant]

Vincent and Sam for sure. And Maru.

[stark glade]

and then you have the other side

[open basin]

So the theory doesn't really make sense unless we believe that she was just being deceitful?

[woven tusk]

Vince and Sam's entire family is the Anime Hair Fam

[tulip fossil]

Tbf ptsd is real and he does apologize afterwards

[uneven lake]

nvm Penny is definitely the spitting image of Pam.

[open basin]

That's why I think she was just being deceitful tbh... there's just so many proof

[maiden anvil]

Sam's real dad is actually Guile

[stark glade]

why would the wizard just say that

[open basin]

Fr lol

[warped yew]

its more of a response to the "most of their events are about them fighting", like pierres "hidden stash"

[maiden anvil]

Yeah unless bro slept with a woman in town he would never say that dialog lmao

[stark glade]

"oh haha lmao no it's jas actually"

[open basin]

I kinda like that CA never added a conclusion to this theory in 1.6 honestly, it's cool to speculate

[tough remnant]

You're his best friend at the point he says it, dude needs someone to confide in.

[uneven lake]

it could also be Jas

[novel parcel]

I think the mom should just get with the glizzard at this point

lol

[open basin]

What about the other 3 dialogue

[tulip fossil]

CA said he’ll never confirm if it’s Abigail or Emily or someone else

[open basin]

Like, it's not from nowhere that the theory is mostly towards Abigal

[stark glade]

thought he had enough junimos and elementals to talk to at this point in his life

[open basin]

Yea, he has absolutely no reason to so that's pretty obvious

[drowsy steeple]

one of the hallmarks of good worldbuilding is that you don't make everything obvious

[open basin]

Exactly

[woven tusk]

...Tbh there is a lot of circumstantial evidence pointing squarely at Abigail fwiw

[tulip fossil]

Emily is the next best option people think because look at her heart events she got something magic going on about her

[maiden anvil]

You think the wizard stays in his tower to let the farmer have a chance at women

[woven tusk]

And basically none for anyone else

[open basin]

Mystery is a great way to make ppl communicate in a community

[tough remnant]

All the in-game stuff points towards Abigail. Jas theory is literally just "Jas also has purple hair." And Emily theory is "Emily is spiritually inclined."

[open basin]

Her thing feels different than Wizard's

[maiden anvil]

The woke theory is all 3 are his kids and he's a menace

[warped yew]

i do like unanswered questions like if the Old Mariner is Willys Dad.

[woven tusk]

Maybe he's ace and Caroline was just sort of an exception. That happens sometimes

[brittle peak]

Facts

[open basin]

She's just vibing, not magic

[warped yew]

and / or Birdies husband

[drowsy steeple]

emily is an idiot there's actual magic in the world and she chooses to take the hippy yoga stones route

[tulip fossil]

He’s carolinesexual

[open basin]

This one right here ☝️

[tough remnant]

He was married before the affair with Caroline

[stark glade]

everyone in stardew at least 18 years younger than the wizard is actually his kid

[maiden anvil]

Your his kid as well thats why he can't be romanced

It all adds up

[tulip fossil]

The wizard is our other grandpa

[warped yew]

Actually the new wizard catalogue you buy from krobus has an interesting piece of dialogue

[woven tusk]

Nah, I think our other grandpa might be Mr. Qi

[stark glade]

so that's why we only get to know the grandpa

[open basin]

Well, tbh does anyone in the village actually believes in Wizard's magic though?
Like, I only remember ppl saying they're weirded out or scared, but never saying anything

[warped yew]

tfrom the wizard

[drowsy steeple]

if they get scared it means they believe it to some degree

[woven tusk]

P much just Linus but they stay away from him too, except Gus

[open basin]

I've always imagined that Wizard didn't want them to know 'cause it'd be chaotic as hell

[uneven lake]

the guild probably does and linus

[maiden anvil]

The townsfolk will literally see the wizard teleport and say "he can't afford a car" tragic really

[open basin]

I think it's exactly because they don't know that they stay away, the Wizard says many times they're afraid of the unknown

[woven tusk]

The problem with wizards being real is that if their presence becomes public knowledge, they might be freaking drafted into the war against Gotoro

[stark glade]

lines from the maze event in fall suggest that they either know magic is real or think the wizard is JACKED

[open basin]

Yea only them, but they do have reasons to, especially the guild

[maiden anvil]

I mean there are actual confirmed monsters and ghost in the world that people know about

[woven tusk]

MUSCLE WIZARD CASTS FIST

[maiden anvil]

I don't think a wizard is all that crazy

[stark glade]

muscular wizard casts throw enemy

[tough remnant]

Counterpoint, how do you conscript a wizard

[drowsy steeple]

monsters are supranatural compared to our world but the NPCs don't have that frame of reference

[maiden anvil]

People literally know your in a guild that fights monsters

[woven tusk]

Very carefully

[tulip fossil]

It’s been confirmed in spirits eve many of the monsters townfolks believe to be fake

[drowsy steeple]

for all they know monsters could be a product of natural selection

[open basin]

Fr tho, how these mf saw a 'living' dead skeleton and doesn't belive the Wizard-

[open basin]

Hell.

[tough remnant]

He was able to pull Caroline in her youth when she was seeing Pierre, who was apparently a serious athlete at the time (boxer)

[stark glade]

they're seeing shadow people and skeletons and thinking yeah this is cool

[gray oriole]

A number of the villagers actively go into the mines though

[open basin]

I'll get a squid kid and throw inside their house, see if they believe lmao

[gray oriole]

Its pretty hard to think monsters r fake when u fight them

[uneven lake]

theres also the slay monsters quests.

[open basin]

Huh, who? except Abigail

[tulip fossil]

Only Abigail wants to go down there and the adventurers guild

[open basin]

I mean, go inside level 0 is different than going down

[woven tusk]

Marlon and Linus, I suppose

[gray oriole]

Abigail, linus, marlon rescue u from the mines when u die

[stark glade]

linus has lines about the mines right

[open basin]

But Marlon is the guild and Linus is friends with the Wizard

[woven tusk]

Clint mentions being able to fight monsters, and Lewis hires you to clear monsters out (presumably someone went in there and saw them)

[open basin]

So they don't count

[uneven lake]

also they greet THE SLIMES

[tough remnant]

I wish Marlon interacted more with the town

[open basin]

We're talking about the citizen of Pelican town, ordinary ppl

[gray oriole]

Also yeah clint

[tulip fossil]

Linus literally hangs out with the wizard at some festivals and the adventurers guild are the ones who bring the monsters to spirits eve of course they know it’s real

[tough remnant]

Demetrius also hires you to kill invasive species in the mines

[open basin]

oH Wait CLINT?? I didn't know he had it in him damn

[gray oriole]

Clint gets his ore himself from the mines

[open basin]

The mad man.

[tough remnant]

But only the more natural seeming ones

[woven tusk]

He's competent at other things, just absolutely not at social/romantic skills

[woven tusk]

What a polite green slime

[drowsy steeple]

linus literally doesn't have influence on the socioeconomical beliefs of the town

[tulip fossil]

Yeah the wizard requests the more supernatural ones

[stark glade]

doesn't he say he has iridium infused weaponry at his forge

[open basin]

And he surely doesn't show it then, every time I talk to him it's always... eh

[tough remnant]

Linus rescues you if you pass out in the mines sometimes.

[gray oriole]

during the stardew valley fair he shows off iridium weapons

[open basin]

I talked to him recently and he said he really wanted to work with iridium, is all I can remember

[gray oriole]

i imagine its just something he rarely acquires so he doesn't get to work with it very often

[drowsy steeple]

btw does iridium have magical properties in game? it's purple

[open basin]

Ye, didn't notice at all

[stark glade]

linus surviving off forage, fruits and the mines, call that dungeon meshi

[drowsy steeple]

or is it just really good metal

[open basin]

It'd be nice if the villagers talked about it tho, 'cause it really went over my head

[stark glade]

I think it's just a really really good metal

[tough remnant]

Spirits Eve, he says one of his iridium infused maces would make short work of the skellies

[drowsy steeple]

it's pretty lame irl

[uneven lake]

could be both, i always saw it as something similar to Mythril in other games.

[gray oriole]

lewis and demetrius send u down into the mines to clear out monsters as well

[open basin]

I should talk more to npcs in events

[stark glade]

not only is he used to iridium, he's alloying it

[tough remnant]

Wizard doesn't like it much so presumably no

[gray oriole]

oh right his anvil is an iridium alloy

[drowsy steeple]

that's a fair assessment

[novel parcel]

iridium is magic in this game so its different

[gray oriole]

i wonder how many ingots are needed to make a whole anvil of iridium

[novel parcel]

best metal is titanium alloys

irl

or aluminium alloys

[gray oriole]

i imagine iridium's probably not inherently magical but is really conductive to magic or something

given it's used in making magical objects

[novel parcel]

like mytril

[drowsy steeple]

depends on what you need. titanium won't fly

[novel parcel]

that true

titnium is really haeavy

[uneven lake]

it will if you throw it hard enough.

[vapid furnace]

Borderlands has Eridium, which is a glowy, purple, alien crystal of sorts.
Doesn't do much in-game aside from a premium currency, but Sirens can use it to multiply their powers to an extreme degree.

[gray oriole]

also remember that in SDV gold is harder than steel so IRL logic was already thrown out the window way earlier

[drowsy steeple]

aluminium will fly further

[open basin]

Funny to think that the convo went from Demetrius > Abigail theory > Wizard > metal /lh

[woven tusk]

(Gold is also not worth very much, but maybe that's because we're literally next to a mining town)

[uneven lake]

fricking demetrius

[novel parcel]

gold is really shit for anything sturdy

its inert

but It flexes too much under relatively little pressure

[drowsy steeple]

if gold wasn't as rare we'd have gold electronics

[novel parcel]

I didnt take material science classes for nothing

[open basin]

fair enough

[novel parcel]

they still use some gold in most electronics

I think its copper alloy now

its worse but its also waaaay cheaper

[drowsy steeple]

yeah but why use it as some coating when you can have all contact points made of gold lol

[novel parcel]

I wish

i think the ibm quantum computer does that

but they are rich

[drowsy steeple]

makes sense, you want as little quantum loss as possible

what's it called again, decoherence?

[novel parcel]

I odnt even understand how they keep temps that low

[unkempt dome]

@novel parcel You leveled up to Cowpoke. You can now speak in our voice channels and share images in all channels!

[drowsy steeple]

I have more faith in the room temp quantum comps

[tough remnant]

Nah, silver best electrical conductor. Gold is for thermal conductivity though, so we'd be using shit like gold heat sinks.

[drowsy steeple]

oh I didn't know that, then why don't we have silver plated cables

all my audio cables are gold coated

[novel parcel]

Im pretty sure we do

[compact arch]

I tried to do a y1 perfection run but grinding to 50 mil is so soulless and boring

[tough remnant]

Gold contacts are just because gold doesn't tarnish as much as silver

[drowsy steeple]

ohh

[novel parcel]

what he said

[woven tusk]

...Right, inert

[maiden fiber]

Deluxe bait affects crab pot quality ????

[woven tusk]

And lowers trash rate

[maiden fiber]

Is that the only bait that affects pots differently?

[tough remnant]

Gold is a good electrical conductor but worse than copper. Silver is actually better though.

[woven tusk]

Though I can't see myself really caring about silver-quality crab pot fish...

[tough remnant]

Wild Bait sometimes gives double now

[oblique aspen]

i didnt know that :0

[woven tusk]

Lower trash rate helps for those of us without Mariner (which is... most of us)

[drowsy steeple]

I don't want fish in my crab pots I want trash

[woven tusk]

Mariner rocks in co-op since you can just have one Mariner handle all the crab pots

[drowsy steeple]

for that sweet sweet passive free cloth

[maiden fiber]

Thanks

[woven tusk]

Suit yourself. Mariners have infinite lobster bisque and crab cakes

[tough remnant]

Only way to get non-forageble quality crabpot fish for your aquariums.

[maiden anvil]

I don't think I've ever used a crab pot in all my playthroughs

[open basin]

Same tbh, except for cooking-

[tough remnant]

You need them for master angler though

[woven tusk]

That's a stardrop

[compact arch]

I've thought about a crab pot heavy run with automate

[drowsy steeple]

I always buy at least 1 from willy for CC

[compact arch]

But yea I've only used crab pots begrudgingly

For CC stuff

[woven tusk]

Eh, CC doesn't actually require a crab pot unless you have really weird luck

[open basin]

Yea but that's just using them for the bare minimum, not use use them

[drowsy steeple]

I don't want to rely on crabs if that's what you mean

[woven tusk]

Between a rock crab and beach forage, you can complete the crab pot bundle without one. And then it gives you three.

[drowsy steeple]

beach forage gives you four items you need five

[woven tusk]

I think now you also get crab pots from the trout derby and/or squidfest?

[open basin]

I usually complete using 1 crab pot, I'm never lucky like that xd

[woven tusk]

Yes. Crab. From the mine.

Rock crab. Kill one.

[drowsy steeple]

that's too late in the game I want the crab pot bundle for the second bundle

so I can unlock boiler early

[woven tusk]

????????
They're on 1-20F

Do you just never touch the mine until y2???

[drowsy steeple]

no i mean the fishing events

the crab from the mine thing is unreliable

in fact I didn't get one this run

[woven tusk]

Skill issue (Kill issue)

[drowsy steeple]

oh also I didn't touch mines until I get gold pick

[open basin]

what

[woven tusk]

They probably did some... not-so-casual minmax speedrunning to get the money to buy the ore

[open basin]

Oh, lol

[compact arch]

Classic depopulating the stardew waters

[open basin]

The minmax in their nickname always makes me think 'Oh is this yet another minmax businness'

[woven tusk]

I figure casual minmax would be catfishing in spring, then sturgeons and blueberries in summer

[drowsy steeple]

I mean casual as in not resetting for every single mistake and using all available exploits

[woven tusk]

Perhaps opening the Skull Cavern and Iridium-delving, though I'm not sure that's casual before fall

[open basin]

That'd be me yea, I like having things fast, but not so fast that It gets stressful XD

[compact arch]

What kinda minmax does iridium bar grinding land you

[open basin]

More than casual I think?

[woven tusk]

Used to be (perhaps still is?) the source of money for speedrunners

[drowsy steeple]

semicasual?

[compact arch]

I think it still is

According to zamiels guide

[open basin]

I like to get SC in summer and farm a bit in y1, so I think I'm semi-casual too

[drowsy steeple]

zamiells guide doesn't take into account bait maker and smoker, yet

[woven tusk]

Targeted bait is nuts for catfish and sturgeon

[compact arch]

Hmm lemme look that up

[woven tusk]

Absolutely worth sacrificing fish for it

[drowsy steeple]

you get 5-10 more out of that one fish

[open basin]

K, I'm still learning 1.6, I didn't think about using bait
I kind of wanna try it again, but in a multiplayer world

[drowsy steeple]

I just can't fish in MP, the time doesn't pause

[woven tusk]

I had like 40-60 blueberry bushes and I think I could have out-earned them with Sturgeon fishing if I weren't trying to do a lot of other things at the same time

[compact arch]

Would Riverland actually be the best for minmax cuz of fish smoker or would you try to rush it for standard farm

[drowsy steeple]

riverland

[open basin]

A, really ?? 💀 I've always been solo...

damn

[drowsy steeple]

because you get it day 1

[woven tusk]

Having a fish smoker is a head start, but not quite as much of one as you might expect-- since you'd need coal to fuel it

[compact arch]

Ye I was thinking that

[drowsy steeple]

time never pauses in MP

[open basin]

Yea, figured

[drowsy steeple]

yeah but it's easier to get the ball rolling with a few coal than a 10k g recipe

[atomic sand]

who do i give the advanced tv remote to

[drowsy steeple]

george

[woven tusk]

Let's see, a gold catfish is 300G base, Fisher bumps that to 375G, and then smoking it is 750G but may cost 150G worth of coal if you had to buy from Clint.
That's still p good

Probably won't have Artisan yet at this point

(And I don't wanna think about how much grinding it'd take to get Farming Lv10 with Spring's crappy crops)

[drowsy steeple]

you don't, unless your goal is specifically farming lv10 for some reason

[woven tusk]

The play is... Farming 6 for Q Sprinklers by Summer to water stuff? Or has the meta been refined since?

[drowsy steeple]

I still do that, I've been theorycrafting and there doesn't seem to be any other way that matters

[woven tusk]

[regal fulcrum]

Same. That is a solid consensus regarding automation

[compact arch]

My impression of skull cavern benefits was that it lets you get ore for sprinklers as well. Would you just buy the ore with fish smoker money?

[open basin]

I do that by default at this point lol

[woven tusk]

You could, especially in Y1 if you're really rolling in cash

[drowsy steeple]

thing is it doesn't always rain in spring and largemouth bass is 50% as effective as catfish

[molten turret]

Kale :D

[drowsy steeple]

so in non-rainy days you dive

[compact arch]

Makes sense

Maybe I'll try minmax on riverland

[drowsy steeple]

try it it's fun and not as stressful

[compact arch]

Perfection y1 is too crackhead for me

[drowsy steeple]

layouting the farm is a doozy tho

[compact arch]

Get money for y1, try to do other perfection goals for y2

[woven tusk]

It's getting late... one of these days I should ask what the current meta is for preparing for one's first SC dive, long before I have enough crystalariums to spam stairs properly

[drowsy steeple]

bombs

[woven tusk]

But not right now

[woven tusk]

Well, how many? I have been getting quite a few from crates washing up on my beach

[compact arch]

Summer would you dive or sturgeon

[covert pebble]

Just unlocked the iridium scythe...not so much a fan. I used it to cut down fiber and it took out my fairy roses for my honey

[drowsy steeple]

but you said

lol

[open basin]

There's levels to minmax, and that one is probably in the lower levels in the iceberg xd

[woven tusk]

It lets you do hilarious things with trellises

[drowsy steeple]

I think I'll dive most days, sturgeon kinda has a limit to how much you can earn. sturgeon is good if you want to do a lot of things between fishing

while SC can't be interrupted

[woven tusk]

Pretty sure every trellis is reachable with the iridium scythe

[drowsy steeple]

sturgeon makes as much money as catfish btw

[compact arch]

Makes sense

[woven tusk]

If you were an absolute lunatic for pale ale

[compact arch]

It turns my brain to mush

[open basin]

Pam looking farmer

[compact arch]

I'm thinking of giving up aha

[open basin]

Same xd

[drowsy steeple]

I won't even try

[compact arch]

I wish meadowland was more interesting for minmax, being the new hip farm and all

[open basin]

That's why I stay away from deeper levels of minmaxing, but it's something really personal

I do advise in trying if you feel like it tho

[woven tusk]

I don't think I would even do it, and I'm the one who came up with that layout. Ancient Fruit is just... 1/7th as much time/effort

[drowsy steeple]

isn't it 8000 gold headstart? that's meager and you can't use it right away like with parsnips or smoker

[woven tusk]

Sometimes there's a funny trick you can learn from minmaxers that you can apply without too much stress/madness

[compact arch]

That's what I'm saying, it's not a huge head start

[woven tusk]

Err, you can't exactly use the parsnips right away either

[regal fulcrum]

By crying? I already did that.

[open basin]

This ☝️
It's usually what I do and it's what I'm doing with meadowlands

[woven tusk]

At least the chickens give Farming EXP even on Day 1

[drowsy steeple]

how much EXP again

[woven tusk]

5 per pet, 5 per egg

[covert pebble]

I now keep it in my farming chest for just crops hahaha lesson learned

[woven tusk]

Eggs on day 4, same as parsnips

But every day from that day forward

[compact arch]

I once mathed out a no crops run on how many pets and produce gathering I would need to hit farming 10. I gave up on that run idea

Crops are just king smh

[drowsy steeple]

oh lol eggs give the same amount of energy as parsnips

[woven tusk]

Animals are surprisingly legitimate in the earlygame. Especially since they cost zero energy to use

[odd falcon]

is there no special reward for max mastery?

[woven tusk]

Grandpa will pat you on the shoulder

...I am not making that up.

[odd falcon]

i want him to give me material possessions

[drowsy steeple]

10 farming exp for the first 4 days = 40, 20 after that
I retract my statement that's pretty good

[open basin]

I'm not minmaxing, but I'm happy getting SC in summer and starting to dive already, deluxe coop and barn by early fall and stuff
Not stressful, I did use some minmaxing stuff but I don't feel like I'm doing it

[drowsy steeple]

compared to non-riverland

[woven tusk]

Oh wait he does.

His hat!

[buoyant tendon]

the dude isnt even material himself anymore

[woven tusk]

The man really arranged for his nightcap to be delivered here from his deathbed because that's the hat he was wearing when his favorite grandkid saw him for the last time

(...alive)

(...not that that means much to him anymore)

[drowsy steeple]

one small problem tho. you can't get farming lv 1 day 4 from chickens alone like with parsnips

[buoyant tendon]

do i wanna commit to my current farm as my main farm, or be a lil quirky and have another more proper Main farm. hmm

[open basin]

well tbh we do have his farm xD

[woven tusk]

Does Farming Lv1 even do anything for animals?

[maiden anvil]

(I'm doing a modded 1.6 farm and not modded 1.6 farm and completely forgot romancing the wizard isn't normally allowed)

[woven tusk]

You don't need scarecrows and you don't need fertilizer

[buoyant tendon]

i always forget fertilizer recipes exist…

[drowsy steeple]

I'd imagine you still want to plant crops with meadowlands

kale mainly

[compact arch]

Can we talk about how obnoxious basic sprinklers are to do layouts for

[woven tusk]

You do. The coop is an additional source of exp and money

[woven tusk]

I make few to none for this exact reason

In co-op, you can often skip them entirely for Quality Sprinklers

[regal fulcrum]

Especially when it needs an Iron Bar. Ew

[compact arch]

Its not min max but I'm tempted to just do copper watering can and get to lv6 by hand

[woven tusk]

Hell, in solo you can do it anyway

[drowsy steeple]

2820 + 2420 = 1040
ig that's enough exp in spring to do kale in one go, but you need more regular sprinklers

[woven tusk]

This is just normal play anyway, that's valid

[drowsy steeple]

like buying time with sprinklers and chickens

[woven tusk]

I'm in mid Fall Y1 and I still have the basic watering can due to unusual circumstances

[open basin]

It's what I always do, they're so annoying

[woven tusk]

Watering Can upgrades don't save as much Energy as you might expect, given how the Energy cost scaling works

[drowsy steeple]

I have enough rain totems to not worry about upgrading the can until y2

[open basin]

Whoever I'm also at fall y1, iridium pickaxe but my watering can is still copper lol

[woven tusk]

I don't have Pigs and can't get truffles until Y2. I just used Basic Retaining Soil for my sand plots on the Beach farm.
I sprinklered the hell out of that one normal soil plot tho

[compact arch]

Does it even save time?

[topaz quail]

Literally just let them grow for a while then get MUCHO SEEDS

[drowsy steeple]

man beach farm was a mess, imagine I tried minmaxing on it

[open basin]

The only reason to upgrade the cans to me is time when you're planting stuff in a new season
But that's only if you don't prepare the ground one day before, like planting fiber seeds or whatever

[drowsy steeple]

and got perfection y2 nonetheless

[stark glade]

mouse1, A, mouse1, A, mouse 1, A.
S. mouse 1, D, mouse1, D.

[woven tusk]

I'm not even sure! It certainly wouldn't have helped me at all with Basic Retaining Soil and its unpredictable dry pattern

[woven tusk]

...Huh?

[drowsy steeple]

it does, since time doesn't pause during the watering animation

[compact arch]

Oh damn

[stark glade]

simulation of trying to water a field of crops in fall with basic watering can

[mellow atlas]

i would like to know what prompted you to reply to a message i sent quite a little while ago

[compact arch]

Maybe Copper watering can is back on the menu

[topaz quail]

Use clay retention

[woven tusk]

Nnnnnno? Did you never learn to sweep-water with the basic can?

[mellow atlas]

im not mad im just intrigued

[drowsy steeple]

but if you're minmaxing you water like 3 times a year anyway except in the early game

[atomic sage]

whats the highest lv a trinket can get?

[compact aurora]

I’ll bite, what is sweep-watering?

[stark glade]

depends

[compact arch]

For me I just wanna avoid crafting regular sprinklers aha

[stark glade]

fairy, 5
parrot, 4
ice rod and quiver, perfect

[drowsy steeple]

that's pretty understandable lol

[topaz quail]

I don't remember

Sprinklers can suck it theyre more than making a steel can

Once you've made 5 sprinklers you've dusted a can upgrade

[compact arch]

Also does minmax craft a bunch of iridium sprinklers or does it mainly settle for quality as a compromise

[atomic sage]

alright

[drowsy steeple]

there's no reason to go to iridium unless you're fighting for space on the farm, since you will have quality sprinklers anyway

[woven tusk]

Just buy iridium sprinklers from Krobus tbh

[woven tusk]

Click and hold the mouse button and sweep the cursor across the tiles that need watering. This actually stops working once you upgrade it to copper, since then you charge it up instead (though that's not why I didn't upgrade it)

[drowsy steeple]

what does that do?

[woven tusk]

Waters crops with less carpal tunnel.

Works in earlygame

Stops working once you upgrade, which most farmers would want to do since they're not on the Beach farm using retaining soil

[drowsy steeple]

hmm somehow I didn't have problems with my mouse when so many others do

[woven tusk]

It's easier anyway

Also works with the basic hoe

Click and hold and sweep

[drowsy steeple]

do you click again after?

[woven tusk]

After what?

[drowsy steeple]

after you sweep