archived-update-spoilers

[gray oriole]

smoking a fish applies artisan btw

[blazing jewel]

i also kinda wanna install (or actually get down to making, if it doesnt exist) a mod that lets u place fish ponds in the rivers/lakes on ur farm. i think if that was in base game the useage of ponds would go wayyy up

[drowsy steeple]

9 i think?

[gray oriole]

and angler still applies too

[topaz quail]

you're exposing a creature that lives in LAVA to fire

[gray oriole]

so you're getting x1.5 x2 x1.4

[robust spoke]

only works when its alive

its dead now

[stray swift]

day 9 you have money for bus?

[robust spoke]

[harsh trellis]

Yeah

[stray swift]

and gold pick?

[topaz quail]

how does fire kill it

[gray oriole]

that doesn't necessarily kill the fish

[harsh trellis]

Coz its dead

[topaz quail]

it lives in lava

[robust spoke]

being out of lava kills it

[harsh trellis]

Its thrives in lava

[topaz quail]

so what you're dehydrating it and making it into lava jerky

[gray oriole]

smoking is about applying effects of charcoal to the fish's exterior

[drowsy steeple]

wait i just realized you don't have to get the key

is it worth it doing all that for just 3 days of sc?

[stray swift]

skull key?

[drowsy steeple]

yes

[gray oriole]

the lava eel could survive just fine but it's still gonna have its exterior smoked with the coal you're using

[stray swift]

why wouldn't you get it

[harsh trellis]

Bro imagine it like humans

[drowsy steeple]

so you can focus on getting bus and get to the desert festival for money boost

[robust spoke]

probably died being out of lava

[harsh trellis]

Do humans livs underwater? Like fish?

[robust spoke]

[topaz quail]

So you're smothering it in coal dust

[stray swift]

what does the desert fest do

[gray oriole]

the fish you fish up don't die while they're in your inventory

[drowsy steeple]

unlocks skull cavern without the need for a key

[gray oriole]

you can throw them into a fish pond at any time and they'll go back to swimming around in it

[robust spoke]

my final answer is that its magic

[gray oriole]

I would like to note that if you can get 250 eggs from the first 2 days of skull cavern during desert fest

u can buy a magic rock candy on the 3rd day before going in from the calico egg trader and go ham

he even conveniently funds your run with food + bombs

• desert chef food buff

[stray swift]

desert fest is 15-17, you have time to do other stuff

[robust spoke]

the issue is

can you get like 70k g by the 14th?

[stray swift]

did you mean to say "can you"

[robust spoke]

yea

[stray swift]

definitely

[gray oriole]

why 70k

[robust spoke]

what about the money for strawberries then?

and then the money you need for the star fruit seeds for summer?

[stray swift]

strawberries

[robust spoke]

vault bundle

[stray swift]

skip strawbs for vault and sc

[robust spoke]

probably more like 50kish

[gray oriole]

it's 42.5k

[robust spoke]

so how are you gonna get money for star fruits for next season?

[gray oriole]

complete non-issue

[stray swift]

sc

[robust spoke]

[gray oriole]

you can easily get hundreds of thousands in the 3 days of desert fest from SC

well

[robust spoke]

how in tf?

you have no bombs

[gray oriole]

might be a bit harder with the explosive ammo nerf honestly

[robust spoke]

youve spent all your money just to get access to SC

[gray oriole]

wdym all your money

[robust spoke]

unless your not upgrading your tools at all

[stray swift]

dont buy bomb

[robust spoke]

thats all your money

[stray swift]

gold pick sc

[robust spoke]

I mean

have you guys done it yet?

I mean if it works sure

[gray oriole]

sir

[stray swift]

or with the extra time you have before desert fest, just mine stuff for bomb

[robust spoke]

this just sounds like your theory crafting

[gray oriole]

42.5k gold before spring 12 isn't even the hard part

[robust spoke]

its not hard

except you also need to upgrade your tools

and then after all that

you have no bombs for SC

and then finally how much is SC gonna earn you for star fruit in summer?

SC isnt profitable unless your going in deep for iridium

and since this is first spring, your not going to have blacksmith

[stray swift]

you can hit mining 10 pretty easily in spring

[drowsy steeple]

it's more than that. since you don't need the key anymore you can fish instead of racing to floor 120

[robust spoke]

like if some one has done it sure

[robust spoke]

except

your also trying to earn money for the vault

aka you need to be fishing

[stray swift]

hit mining 10 in sc

[robust spoke]

dusk

my point is

it just seems better to just get straw berries

[stray swift]

fish more for what

[drowsy steeple]

bus

[robust spoke]

and unlock the bus after desert fest ends

[feral abyss]

I'll usually earn 100k summer year 1 but unlocking the bus that early would probably require the joja route for me, got a lot of other bundles to unlock before you even get the vault

[drowsy steeple]

how many days does it take you guys to get to 120?

[robust spoke]

I mean

you dont need to hit floor 120

[stray swift]

3/4

[robust spoke]

but you still need to hit like floor 80 for gold

so you can upgrade your tools

[drowsy steeple]

clint

[robust spoke]

capitalism be like

but your already lacking in money to get the vault bundle

[gray oriole]

does clint not sell gold ore during spring?

[stray swift]

refraining from hitting floor 120 until you absolutely need to will let you farm monster

[drowsy steeple]

i buy gold ore spring 5

[feral abyss]

can also fish it up with some luck

[robust spoke]

but yea

[drowsy steeple]

i was extremely lucky this run bc i get 24 gold ore from fishing before spring 5

[robust spoke]

lucent, how would you earn hundreds of thousands in SC on spring 15-17?

doesnt seem like theres anything profitable this early on

[drowsy steeple]

this I'm curious about as well

[gray oriole]

isn't it only 15k for gold pickaxe

[robust spoke]

a magic rock candy wont do jack

[drowsy steeple]

10k

[robust spoke]

if you cant get that far in

and you cant mine ores that fast/have bombs

[gray oriole]

was assuming buying the previous tiers as well

[drowsy steeple]

oh yea it's 15

[stray swift]

mrc is a hard carry for depth

[drowsy steeple]

wait no 17

[robust spoke]

except dusk

[gray oriole]

ah right coal

[robust spoke]

you have no bombs

you only have a gold pick

most your getting to is like floor 100-150

overall

[stray swift]

thats enough for like 100-200 iridium

[robust spoke]

which is basically worthless

[robust spoke]

youve earnt 40k

far less than just strawberries

[feral abyss]

you can get a few bombs with quartz

[stray swift]

40k of strawbs will make 90k for the whole spring

[robust spoke]

but how are you gonna buy strawberries with that money?

egg festival is on the 13th

or are you meaning that if you spend 40k on strawberries

[stray swift]

you can make more than 90k

[robust spoke]

that youll only earn 90k?

[stray swift]

not to mention sprinkler/watering

[gray oriole]

funny story, desert fest sells strawberries too

[hazy prairie]

anyone got tips for farming geodes?

[robust spoke]

ayo?

[gray oriole]

they're 6 calico eggs ea on day 3

[hazy prairie]

obv new update makes it actually rng based now lol

[feral abyss]

I usually get enough iron and copper to get a bunch of basic sprinklers on the ground in spring

[vapid furnace]

I think I found, not really a bug, but something that wasn't noticed.

[gray oriole]

so you can farm sc for money, get eggs while doing it, and still buy strawberries

[drowsy steeple]

i mean it always has been if you didn't exploit it?

[vapid furnace]

It looks like there is now a checkmark showing if you've done a quest and recieved it's crafting recipe before or whatever, but the checkmark is designed for the blank paper instead of the island paper

[gray oriole]

hasn't the predictor already been updated

[robust spoke]

youll only get one harvest though

[hazy prairie]

really huh?

Wasn't expecting that fast

[robust spoke]

over all doesnt seem worth it to rush for the desert festival

you did all that just to earn basically the same amount as someone who bought strawberries on the 13th

[gray oriole]

no?

[robust spoke]

wdym no?

day 3 is the 17th

[gray oriole]

oasis sells deluxe speedgro on thursdays for 80g

[robust spoke]

oh your also using speed gro

I mean youll get two harvests, but then you have less strawberries

youve basically cut down your strawberries by half

if your gonna buy speed gro

[gray oriole]

wdym less

[robust spoke]

because say you earnt about 40k from SC

[gray oriole]

i never said that

[robust spoke]

I mean

how are you going to be earn hundreds of thousands

[vapid furnace]

Hypothetically

[gray oriole]

also how does that result in less strawberries exactly

[robust spoke]

nvm, your not actually paying for these straw berries

since your using eggs

[gray oriole]

they don't cost gold yes

[robust spoke]

[regal fulcrum]

So what you're saying is buy strawberry seeds with Calico eggs, and then buy Speed Gro with the Gold?

[vapid furnace]

I understand where Itami was coming from

[robust spoke]

sounds like it

[drowsy steeple]

i might branch my save to see which strat brings in more gold

[gray oriole]

unfortunately the biggest issue is still bombs

explosive ammo needing ingots fucks eeeeeverything up

[vapid furnace]

Since you spend money on speed gro, you don't have as many strawberry plants since you spent that money on speed gro

But apparently eggs can buy strawberries too

[robust spoke]

also lucent

[gray oriole]

which isn't relevant in this case because we're not buying strawberries with gold

[robust spoke]

your not going to be getting that many calico eggs either

unless your somehow hitting 55+ egg rating with just some bombs + a gold pick

I had a iridium pick + mega bombs and I still could barely make it

[blazing jewel]

wait the desert event is in summer?

[robust spoke]

its spring

[gray oriole]

its spring 15-17

[robust spoke]

we are arguing if its worth it to either just buy strawberries on the 13th

[blazing jewel]

ahhhh i see

[robust spoke]

or just bank everything on doing SC

by rushing the bus by the 14th

[blazing jewel]

i think forking ur save is probably best call. esp if u have a good run going

it would be could to double check to really know if its worth it or no

but i think strawberries is probably more profit

[robust spoke]

^

what I think as well

your not gonna make jack from SC this early on

[gray oriole]

how many strawberries do you normally buy on the 13th

[robust spoke]

probably like 100+?

[gray oriole]

I see

just reaching f25 3 days gets you a minimum of 117 strawberries

not including any egg drops during the run itself

35 from quest, 200 from f25 rating x3

[blazing jewel]

i dunno how u minmaxers can stand watering all those by hand XD and planting them all must take a day by itself

[robust spoke]

but you gotta factor in the cost of the speed gro

[drowsy steeple]

we use sprinklers?

[regal fulcrum]

and the cost to unlock the SC.

[robust spoke]

actually lucent

[blazing jewel]

oh yeah, by strawbs you have sprinklers

[robust spoke]

its not possible lol I just realized

since delux speed gro is only sold on thursday

you need to buy it on the previous thursday

[gray oriole]

so?

[robust spoke]

but you need the money to get the bus

[drowsy steeple]

which is 11th

[robust spoke]

aka if you do desert festival

[tepid nova]

embed failure

[robust spoke]

you need to wait till the 18th to plant your strawberries

if you still want to use the speed gro

[drowsy steeple]

you need to get the money for the bus and the speed gro by 11th

that's impossible unseeded lol

[robust spoke]

yea

this is a whole lot of effort for like what

a couple thousand g more?

and even that might not be possible

[gray oriole]

So?

[robust spoke]

im saying its not worth it

[gray oriole]

Then dont do it?

[robust spoke]

yea

[gray oriole]

Problem solved

[robust spoke]

thats basically my point the whole time

[gray oriole]

no one is forcing you to ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[harsh trellis]

Helo

[robust spoke]

im not forcing anyone to do it or not do it either

[gray oriole]

Being worth it was never relevant

[regal fulcrum]

My point is: I'm awesome. Thank you for coming to my Dewtalk.

[mellow atlas]

is new update worth it

[robust spoke]

but we were discussing how much money it would make

[gray oriole]

Update is fun

[harsh trellis]

Well yes

[robust spoke]

ye

[gray oriole]

No

[mellow atlas]

okok

[gray oriole]

We were discussing minmaxing a run

[blazing jewel]

its not worth the 50$ dlc :C /j

[robust spoke]

[harsh trellis]

You better believe it

Or else

[weak pier]

i just got a river jelly from my cat!

[gray oriole]

Congrats

[vapid furnace]

I upgraded my Junimo room that started with the 5,000g claw machine incident

[gray oriole]

Claw machine incident?

[harsh trellis]

[weak pier]

a glitch?

[thorny light]

the what claw machine

[vapid furnace]

I wanted that broccoli plant but I kept cutting my losses and going for the junimo plushes instead because they were closer

[robust spoke]

the junimos are worth it

[vapid furnace]

I spent like 5,000g on 10 different games

[robust spoke]

you dont need the brocoli

[harsh trellis]

Oof

[twilit summit]

can u put the junimo plushies outside?

[thorny light]

good idea i should go on the arcade

[tepid nova]

man, i just barely failed the qi beans quest :/

[thorny light]

yes iirc!

[solemn hemlock]

man im like slightly saddened by the iridium scythe cuz like i like set up junimo huts to just automate my ancient fruit farming but now like not having them would probably be more efficent for money making but i dont want to get rid of the junimos :(

[thorny light]

also if you have the junimo catalogue theres more junimos there

[twilit summit]

can u just surround junimo huts with the junimo plushies

[thorny light]

you have the ginger island farm

[gray oriole]

Feed them raisins

[solemn hemlock]

ya

[drowsy steeple]

is it possible to get quality sprinklers for strawberries

[thorny light]

you focus your energy on the ginger island so you wont run out of time

[gray oriole]

20% more crops when juminos are fed raisins

[solemn hemlock]

also do raisins even make them that much better

[drowsy steeple]

or do you spam regular sprinklers

[thorny light]

or some other task out there

[gray oriole]

20% chance for double harvest

[robust spoke]

chance for double harvest

[solemn hemlock]

but like i already got more than enough time

[thorny light]

i just ignore my junimos and do literally anything else tbh

[solemn hemlock]

oh thats kinda good

[robust spoke]

probably

[glad stratus]

I just have them for fun 😛 ! theyre so cute!

I also used them for my qi quest, I just let them collect some and collected some for myself

[thorny light]

yeah i like having a little bit of automation

[gray oriole]

i don't do crops on main farm anymore, it's kinda annoying replanting them every year

[solemn hemlock]

what are the chances for double harvest anyway

[glad stratus]

yes

[thorny light]

yeah thats fair

[glad stratus]

20%

[harsh trellis]

What plants do you use on ginger then

[solemn hemlock]

oh thats not bad actually

[gray oriole]

.

currently trying to set up honey since those are the least effort

[glad stratus]

I should also preface this off with I only use my greenhouse and ginger island for ancient fruit, and I've only used the main farm for the new crops and qi fruit

[gray oriole]

i'm bad at tiling them so this is taking me a while though

[blazing jewel]

honey is fun! esp on ginger island

[thorny light]

pineapple, ancienct fruit, starfruit, cranberries

the scythe is so good man

[gray oriole]

i used to do pineapple yeah

[glad stratus]

but they look nice and thats all I care about because I dont farm

[glad stratus]

AND MIXED SEEDS

[thorny light]

but i plant those five just so i have things to dehydrate

[harsh trellis]

How much of each?? 4 iridium sprinkler for each xrop?

[glad stratus]

oh wait

sorry i thought u were saying likle good plants oopsies :3

[thorny light]

i dont even bother checking tbh, but pineapple and ancient fruit are amazing for gold

[harsh trellis]

Yah i wanted to know the amount 😜

[thorny light]

but i think i had a more consistent supply with blueberries. one time i had 900+ of blueberries

[solemn hemlock]

oh huh i just realized my ultimate goal of 1 million total earnings is very close im only 9,000,000 away

[harsh trellis]

Dang

For now i have only planted taro roots and lil bit of pineapples

[gray oriole]

9m away from 1mil?

[harsh trellis]

Might redo the whole gi farm

[solemn hemlock]

oh oops i ment to say billion

[regal fulcrum]

We call that a loan

[solemn hemlock]

ultimate goal of billion

[regal fulcrum]

Only 9 away, huh?

[harsh trellis]

Wtf?

[regal fulcrum]

Noted.

[solemn hemlock]

im on year 7 btw lol

[harsh trellis]

How much do you play damn

Old save or 1.6 new save

[solemn hemlock]

ive been playing this save on and off since like 2020

[harsh trellis]

Ah

[solemn hemlock]

thats my current total earnings and i have this chest of 56,403,748 g

[gray oriole]

Feel like u should maybe consider some kegs in a corner if youre leaving them unsold anyway

[solemn hemlock]

i already have a fully upgraded cabin and shed of kegs i think im good

[gray oriole]

keg the whole valley

[solemn hemlock]

maybe

[gray oriole]

filling the bus tunnel and making pam drive thru them is always funny

[solemn hemlock]

i like almost forgot about the bus tbh

[thorny light]

bruh

honestly i want more farming room because these fruit trees are so spoiled

[solemn hemlock]

look ive had the pillars for years now lol

[thorny light]

but if im gonna put machines around ginger island i will NOT use the ones that go krooo krooo every 5 secs

[gray oriole]

could put them somewhere far from your base since there's no npcs to path over them

[solemn hemlock]

also has anyone found out how to swap gendered clothes cuz last i checked the wiki has not updated the tailoring section

[chilly bloom]

Gonna be really nice sale

I just recently sold everything I had stored in a year on my main mobile save and it felt nice

[rose oxide]

did new enchantments get added to 1.6? i saw the falchion got new enchantments, so does that mean we have new enchantmetns at the volcano forge as wel now?

[dim oak]

are these different from the catalogue

[vapid furnace]

Those ones are sleeping

And are probably cursed in some way

[gray oriole]

yes

we have new tool enchants, new normal enchants, and a new type of enchant called "innate enchantment" that can only be applied to non-galaxy/infinity weapons

[blazing jewel]

YOOOO THIS SHIRT MONSTER DROP MATCHES MY FIT SO WELLLLL :D

[vapid furnace]

Ignore the rabbit

[gray oriole]

have seen ppl experimenting with dragontooth weapons with scout + desperado/acrobat and innate enchants

seems promising

[rose oxide]

oh cool. so are the falchion enchantments exclusive to that weapon or can i get it soemwhere else?

[gray oriole]

you can get it via the forge

some weapons always drop with certain innate enchants though

eg the dark sword from haunted skulls always has vampiric

[vapid furnace]

I think there's a difference

[gray oriole]

there's a new type of "champion" slime with a star on its antenna that drops weapons with random bonuses applied to them as well

[steady narwhal]

Yep yellow enchants are new

[steady narwhal]

Special slimes have always been in the game

[gray oriole]

i might be misremembering then

did they always drop enchanted weapons?

[steady narwhal]

Bro how many Neptune's glaive did you get?

Crazy luck there

[vapid furnace]

I think this was my first experience with innate enchantments, I got it from a barrel on floor 81 or something.

[blazing jewel]

holy blade looks cool

[vague onyx]

innate enchantments on iridium needle is pretty busted since it was already better than the infinity dagger

[steady narwhal]

Yep new (very old) blade

[vapid furnace]

Just a bunch of examples. Ones with regular enchantments, ones with double innate, ones with no innate, etc.

[gray oriole]

what's the innate on iridium needle?

[vapid furnace]

And I am over here hoarding all my unique weapons... except for the neptunes glaive which I never seem to sell

Last screenshot for the day to go with my previous message

[vapid furnace]

I don't think there is anything naturally on the needle.

[gray oriole]

oh i misread his msg

[vapid furnace]

I think innate enchantments are kinda like throwing gems onto a weapon, except it happens naturally

[blazing jewel]

wait those cant happen on skeleton swords can they? ive been selling them without checking

[vapid furnace]

The one I have doesn't have anything

[ionic cedar]

guys i can't drink mayo(fr)

[steady narwhal]

Damn skill issue

[dim oak]

was carolines 2 heart event always like this

[blazing jewel]

it changed in the previous update iirc

or the previous previous

whichever added the tea leaves

[dim oak]

tea leaves have been around for awhile

but dont remember the cutscene

maybe ive skipped it...

very cute

[blazing jewel]

yeah i like caroline

lots of people always go "oh robin should be a marriage candidate--robin divorce arc" but honestly? caroline marriage candidate when? caroline divorce arc when?

[dim oak]

robin

[gray oriole]

if u marry caroline u get forced onto the joja route because pierre refuses to sell to u

Typo

[blazing jewel]

it would be fun for a challenge run too!

[dim oak]

seems to be a common thing to try to wife robin when youre new

or the others for that matter

[vapid furnace]

Now you gotta dig around in Pierre's trash can (also included in the update) to find the seed packets you need in order to help the local apple people

[chilly bloom]

Ello everyone

[blazing jewel]

[vapid furnace]

After completing the CC, Pierre decides to let go of his grudge

And you can buy from him again, since you did kick Joja out after all

Stardew Valley 1.7 : The Expert Mode Update

Releasing approximately 6 months after Half Life 3

[dim oak]

anyone know the best combination of food for max speed

been using tripple shot + eel

[steady narwhal]

Hewwo

[valid void]

Max speed for mining or in general?
Because crab cakes also give +1 speed and last for the entire day (unless you eat something else that gives a food buff).

[dim oak]

in general, so +2 is the max

outside of desert festival where you can +3?

[valid void]

There's also 2 books that give, iirc, +0.25 speed each.
Plus the horse, and horse speed buff book, and speed buff for giving it a carrot.

[dim oak]

• enchant from statue ig

[valid void]

I dunno if the speed buff books work while riding a horse, though.

[gray oriole]

Statue of blessings can randomly give 0.5

Carrot gives 0.4 to horse iirc

[valid void]

Yea, but that's not very reliable.

[dim oak]

oh, didnt know about carrots

permanent 0.4?

[valid void]

Yep, 0.4 speed boost for the entire day.

[dim oak]

ok

actually very good

[gray oriole]

Also the small boost from flooring i guess

Its not a lot but it exists

[valid void]

Only while on the farm

[gray oriole]

Im a huge fan of slitherlegs removing the penalty from grass and crops personally

[dim oak]

whats "???"

only seen it for doll

[lusty fable]

What are your guys's mastery choices?

I went with farming first, got my second point

[dim oak]

ahh

[gray oriole]

Its a hat that requires perfection

[dim oak]

never gotten perfection, looking to get it for this file tho

[lusty fable]

Im leaning towards mining personally

[gray oriole]

Mining is pretty nice

Heavy smelters are really nice

[valid void]

I went with mining first because I unlocked my first mastery point during the desert festival.
2nd was farming.

[dim oak]

the scythe is a huge qol change

if youre doing a lot of farming

[gray oriole]

Cant go wrong with foraging either if none of the options particularly appeal to u

Gold mystery boxes are pretty universal

[valid void]

I got a gold mystery box that contained 4 mystery boxes.
One of which contained 2 mystery boxes.
One of which contained 2 MORE mystery boxes.
Of which, one also contained ANOTHER 2 mystery boxes.

[gray oriole]

Mystic trees are also incredibly powerful tbh

[dim oak]

50/50? seem tedious, but a lot of the current goals for perfection are aswell

[modern scroll]

Do grass still stay growing in winter on meadowlands?

[valid void]

Idk if grass keeps growing in winter, but I do know it no longer vanishes in winter now.

[gray oriole]

No they go dormant like other fields

Ok but hats isnt the way either

Your run will eventually devolve into spam sleeping in bed for desert fest each year for emily’s hats

Having to sleep thru multiple years of skips for one festival is dumb

[chilly bloom]

Hey fishmunk

[valid void]

There's hats exclusive to that?
I thought it was just stuff you could get regularly.

[steady narwhal]

How you doing?

[gray oriole]

There are a lot of cosmetics exclusive to desertfes

[chilly bloom]

Eh decent, procrastinating a lot

[steady narwhal]

Same

[chilly bloom]

Played a bit of stardew today just casually tho

[steady narwhal]

Maybe I'll do a video today as well

[chilly bloom]

Idk if I want to grind out day 4 rn

Nice

[gray oriole]

8 of which are hats

[steady narwhal]

Just a short one on dragontooth cutlass

[chilly bloom]

That’s neat, I should make ones too ngl

[steady narwhal]

Might do it once I get the desired dragontooth stats on my lava katana

[chilly bloom]

Fair, still resetting for that?

[steady narwhal]

Also I like how my clay farming post is getting mocked. Funny

[steady narwhal]

I think I've been resetting it for 3 hours

[steady narwhal]

Might do a carving knife -1 damage and see how the people there react to it

[topaz quail]

Where is blade I want to see him do a challenge

[bleak garnet]

I love the green rain.

it spooky.

[valid void]

It smells like moss

[steady narwhal]

It's filled with nutrients good for your health

[gray oriole]

If we include non-hats the number of items exclusive to desertfes is in the dozens

[valid void]

Nutrients are good for your health? First I've ever heard of this.

[gray oriole]

And given you only get 6 npcs a year trading and no duplicate trader protection

[steady narwhal]

They do be, but I meant that you should drink green rain

[gray oriole]

U could be there for a decade trying to collect them all

[bleak garnet]

I need to get to the desert and figure out what's what there.

When does the desert festival happen.

[gray oriole]

Spring 15-17

[bleak garnet]

DANGIT

[steady narwhal]

Spring 15-17

[valid void]

During salmonberry season

[bleak garnet]

Isn't that when the trout derby is

[gray oriole]

Realistically unobtainable y1 for most ppl

[valid void]

Trout derby is in summer

[steady narwhal]

Nope trout derby during summer

[bleak garnet]

I'm in year two, but I've already missed it.

[gray oriole]

Also during salmonberry season yeah, huge troll

[bleak garnet]

After year one salmonberries are useless to me.

[gray oriole]

Theyre an amazing food source y1

[valid void]

When I saw the 3 days of "?" on the calendar, I assumed it was marking out salmonberry season, lol.

[thorny light]

OH MY GOD I MISSED SALMONBERRY SEASON

[gray oriole]

Rip

[valid void]

rip

[thorny light]

BECAUSE IT COINCIDES WITH CALICO FESTIVAL

eitherway idc because i use spicy eel to fill me with energy

and poppyseed muffin

[blazing jewel]

poppyseed muffin?

[thorny light]

yes

[gray oriole]

Its a huge troll bcuz it makes trying to route minmax runs a pain

U have to choose between early SC or having effectively unlimited free energy and a lot of foraging xp

[thorny light]

because its the best flower in summer, so i plant them next to beehives. by the end of season i turn them all into poppyseed muffin

[valid void]

I only care because I completely forgot to sell a salmonberry to fill the shipped items list.
Then I spent every day in the desert during salmonberry season, so I had to buy a salmonberry from the travelling merchant for 200g just to sell it for 5g.

[thorny light]

ohhh

lmao rip

[blazing jewel]

OHHhhhhhh i see! thats a nice use for them if ur going for the honey

[thorny light]

yeah i have a bee farm in the ginger island too

[valid void]

rip
Ripped off, more like. 200g for a single salmonberry!

[thorny light]

one (1) salmonberry

i wont use the popular cheese to fill my energy in game. cheese is too profitable

so im using something that i dont have a use for

[blazing jewel]

but cheese good for hp

[thorny light]

poppyseed isnt that bad

[valid void]

I just use sashimi.
I have a near infinite supply on my doorstep by filling the small pond with crab pots.

[blazing jewel]

good idea though with the poppyseed tho

[thorny light]

i also had pale broth before

though tbf i can just stick to spicy eel since i have so many rubies

but the idea of spamming a food with a timed buff... feels wrong

[valid void]

That's why I use sashimi. Or fruit salad when I can get it.

[blazing jewel]

ngl early game golden hops are nice. u only get a few compared to regular and they give a surprizing amount of energy

[valid void]

Golden hops?

[thorny light]

the carrots are an amazing addition to early game spring ngl

[blazing jewel]

carrots go SO hard

[gray oriole]

The only spring crop i grow is carrots now

[thorny light]

because i keep on running out of energy

[blazing jewel]

gold star

[gray oriole]

0.4 horse speed goes hard

[molten turret]

do i plant parsnips or kale

[blazing jewel]

kale

[valid void]

KAlesnips

[blazing jewel]

make srue u have 5 golden star parsnips tho, so plant a few if ur early game with fertilizer, if late game kale all the way

[molten turret]

no

[blazing jewel]

potatoes are better money than kale if ur looking for money, kale is better xp

[molten turret]

i HATE parsnips

okay ive made up my mind

[blazing jewel]

XD

[molten turret]

i will grow pumpkins

tysm

[valid void]

Pumpkins are slow. You won't gain anything until 2 weeks in.

Wait a minute, parsnips and kale are spring crops but pumpkins are fall crops!

[molten turret]

there is always hyper speed gro

[valid void]

That won't let you ignore seasons!

[molten turret]

yeah im in fall

[valid void]

Then why are you growing parsnips and kale?!

[molten turret]

so?

they what

im not, im growing pumpkins

[blazing jewel]

why are you getting clothes at the soup store

[molten turret]

are you listening

[valid void]

No

[molten turret]

i'm at soup

[valid void]

If I build a 2nd pet spot, then delete the first, will my pet switch to the new one by itself?

[pine barn]

Train station tree farm. Yeah, I know I could be planting more, but all of this is, like, 2000 pieces, which is plenty

[blazing jewel]

my brother in arms! i also do this lol

[vapid furnace]

What if I move a building while Robin is working on it

[pine barn]

doesn't everyone?

[blazing jewel]

some people used desert

[valid void]

I do, but I've clearly been overthinking it.

[vapid furnace]

I just thought of that when I decided to build my first ever (I think so) Junimo Hut

[pine barn]

also, due to bone mills, I have lots of tree fertiliser

[valid void]

Where are you getting all the bones from, Koz?

[pine barn]

so lots of lumbar pretty quick

[molten turret]

do i buy a chicken or the gold clock

[pine barn]

the dig site

[valid void]

Wait... "bones", "lumbar" not "lumber", KOZ WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN DOING?

[pine barn]

eh, it's 7am here

[molten turret]

guys i need help

[gray oriole]

You can access the move building ui while robin is building?

[pine barn]

if at the Wizards, yeah

[valid void]

Compromise and buy a gold chicken.

[gray oriole]

Ah

[molten turret]

i feel like i've seen you somewhere befroe

[molten turret]

golden chicken*

[nimble turtle]

so i just got a blue green frog egg how do i hatch it?

[vapid furnace]

I am prepared

[vapid furnace]

It's a trinket

You can equip it

[valid void]

There's a suspicious hat man hiding behind your junimo hut.

[vapid furnace]

Or throw it into a fish tank apparently

[nimble turtle]

i am trying to get the fairy

[molten turret]

shiba can you help me

do i buy a sheep or the gold clock

[blazing jewel]

YOOOO THERES POSSUMS NOW LOL

[nimble turtle]

yep

[blazing jewel]

it scared the shit out of me just like irl

[pine barn]

yes, I've put mine in my tanks as I have a level 4 parrot, a level 5 fairy, and a 1.3 quiver, which is funny to have becasue you forget it's on and suddenly you're firing arrows 😄

[steady narwhal]

How rich are you?

[molten turret]

i have 5,000

[steady narwhal]

Just 5k?

[nimble turtle]

okay i am going back to my sc run i have bombs cant hurt me plus infinite energy

[gray oriole]

I wander a lot

[steady narwhal]

If so then sheep

[vapid furnace]

I have upgraded my Junimo hut by adding a lamp post, I will throw some raisins in too for good measure.
Which looks better though, the wood or iron one

[molten turret]

are you a mod in any server

[astral vine]

But sheep cost 8,000g

[molten turret]

can i compromise and buy a statue of true perfection

[astral vine]

you can buy one?

How?

[molten turret]

fizz

[blazing jewel]

okay this might sound really stupid if im wrong, but was there a nerf to goats at some point? i feel like in my first play through, goats were sheerable for wool and for goatmilk--i dont remember buying any sheep but i know i had wool. was that a thing? or am i just certified crazy

[valid void]

You can get wool from rabbits

[blazing jewel]

ahhh maybe it was rabbits? ill check my old save then

[pine barn]

I really need two autopetters but am not having any luck.

but I'm also not really doing SC at all, so

not really giving myself much chances of finding one

[valid void]

I keep getting auto grabbers in sc 😦

[astral vine]

u have to dive sc deeper

[pine barn]

My Meadowlands farm before I upgraded the sprinklers.

[blazing jewel]

I FUCKIN KNEW IT!!! my sheers are in the barn chest and so are the looms! i feel very validated rn lol XD

why did goats give wool that makes no sense

[astral vine]

Consume food and drink with luck

Wear lucky ring

Go on a lucky day

[vapid furnace]

I mean...

[blazing jewel]

ohhhhhhhh

i see

[vapid furnace]

Even if it wasn't specifically cashmere, I could imagine goats being sheared for some kind of wool-like material

[valid void]

But is there any wool/cloth in the barn?
Maybe you were just preparing to buy sheep and prepared the shears/looms ahead of time.

[blazing jewel]

i promise u it was the goats man

cause i remember seeing sheep in the shop and going "ohhhh they mustve made goats un-shearable now" but ive never seen anyone mention it

[valid void]

I dunno, I think you may just be a crazy person.

[blazing jewel]

[vapid furnace]

I don't see anything in the wiki suggesting that wool was a part of a goat's production table

Like "1.4 - Goats no longer produce wool"

[steady narwhal]

Nah

[blazing jewel]

bro its a mandela effect. in my past reality the pet bowl was waterable via sprinkler and goats made wool this is PROOF /sarcasm

[placid rapids]

Hey i think I just found a new bug

[valid void]

His name is Frank, please don't squish him.

[stark glade]

hey what's these new items for shipping on the menu? I don't have the 4 after moss

[valid void]

Mystic Syrup, Raisins, Dried Fruit, Dried Mushrooms

[placid rapids]

mbmb

[blazing jewel]

huh

yeah thatll do it

[stark glade]

no more valley

no more fishermen

no more rainbow trouts

[blazing jewel]

festivale is over pack it up

cancelled due to unexpected 🚫

[mellow atlas]

Rainbow trouts went to sleep and busy

[placid rapids]

any way to show this to CA

I think I know what series of events caused it

I slept in a tent on cindersap, when I woke up it was fine but I reset the day and when I once again awoke in the forest, they were cancelled

[mellow atlas]

I see

[placid rapids]

its broken for my partner as well

[mellow atlas]

Is there any way to fix this?

[placid rapids]

leaving and re-entering doesnt fix it either >>

nope

[nimble turtle]

Shoot can't get a rain day

How can I only have one rain day all of spring

[placid rapids]

bad luck

[mellow atlas]

Okk then

[blazing jewel]

whats the best spot to fish in fall when it rains?

[bleak current]

the festival sprites breaking due to sleeping in a tent is a known issue

[agile lily]

i do this with mahogany trees

[mellow atlas]

In the mountain and river lakes

[pine barn]

I'm trying to start more mahogany trees, but I currently have a lack of seeds

[agile lily]

start on your farm

they spawn more seeds on your farm

[pine barn]

yes, but I have a lack of seeds. I used them to make mystic trees

[agile lily]

fair

DEAR GOD its joja

[fathom mist]

so im having the moss rain, is there anything is should save it for, im wanting to make some deluxe worm bins but idk if theres a better use for them

[pine barn]

might just see how many stingrays I can catch and swap them for seeds

[pine barn]

statue of blessings

[blazing jewel]

lol ive been so confused for a hot minute--i use discord tts and i was wondering what in the hell "hoja" was XD joja

[agile lily]

i think it dosent confuse it if u say joe ja

nvm

[gray oriole]

May wanna use targetted bait

Assuming sting rays arent 100% chance

Idr i havent fished in gi in a longass time

[pine barn]

That's a good idea

[somber sundial]

Does using a Rain Totem help at all with increasing chances for Giant Stump to trigger? I've been waiting for a long time for it to happen, and yes I have greenhouse already

[nimble turtle]

Gah sulky sc run 2 dark cowboy hats 1 golden cracker 4 golden and 5 normal mystery boxes and only 150 iridium plus 2 presmatic shards

[chilly bloom]

Nah, it’s just a flat 10% after greenhouse

[nimble turtle]

Wonder if somebody could make a prismatic shard table

[somber sundial]

Damn

I'm currently on Winter 12 (first day of SquidFest), and I've been waiting since Fall

[chilly bloom]

For what, just every source for them?

[pine barn]

Fall year 3 and still no meteorite. I've had one owl and that's it.

[nimble turtle]

Furniture or a prismatic bed

[pine barn]

Like, night time RNG hates me

[chilly bloom]

Do you have much clear space on the farm?

[chilly bloom]

Oh you meant like an actual table LOL

[pine barn]

Yes, always have

[nimble turtle]

Thought it would be a nice thing there is clothes

[chilly bloom]

It’s just a seed thing then tbh

All overnight events are predetermined

At least their spawn event is

The event may not actually trigger if the spawn attempt fails

[pine barn]

Haven't had any aliens either.

[nimble turtle]

I have the space capsule

[pine barn]

But what is the spawn event?

[chilly bloom]

?

[rich trellis]

have anyone tried an Abby's planchette build? is it good? is it bad?

[nimble turtle]

Just heard a strange sound in the night

[chilly bloom]

Each overnight event has a spawn event that is the actual thing that happens at night. If it succeeds then it spawns the thing

If not it doesn’t

[pine barn]

Like, what do I need for meteorites to fall or aliens to appear? I've never had so few overnight events happen

This is basically my farm right now

[somber sundial]

Just expanded corner room and I am currently debating whether I should keep the bed on the lower floor or move it upstairs

[nimble turtle]

Sorry I don't know in the stardew predictor it's just listed as strange capsule I can tell you that I have a fairy event coming up

[chilly bloom]

A seed that has them commonly

Their spawning checks are very loose and basically always happen

You can try using a program that reads your files and tells you your events

I think the mouseypounds stardew predictor was updated to 1.6 recently

[pine barn]

It's just annoying is all

[chilly bloom]

Just remember the event things are nigh on useless

[nimble turtle]

It can't even tell me when I will get the arrow head which is all I am missing from the museum

[pine barn]

I've had fairy once, owl once and witch twice in nearly 3 years. And that's it

[chilly bloom]

That’s actually more than the average lol

Most of the events are 1/200s or 1/125s

Or only happen after a certain date

[pine barn]

In my older games I had multiple owls.

[chilly bloom]

They can, you can use the geode prediction, i beleive the arrowhead drops from artifact troves

[pine barn]

I think I'm only missing the broken pot now, which refuses to appear

[chilly bloom]

So use something like the mouseypounds predictor geode thread visualization and force it that way

[chilly bloom]

The chopped amphora?

Chipped

[pine barn]

Need to use some artifact totems in the desert I think

[nimble turtle]

It said I would get it on trow in 18 but I opened 18 and not there

[pine barn]

Yeah

[chilly bloom]

Also from artifact troves

[chilly bloom]

The predictor only recently got updated and the threads have been changed

So there is a little bit of finicking you have to do

I’d try it again

[pine barn]

There isn't any sort of museum tracker is there?

Not in game

[chilly bloom]

Ehh the collections tabs sorta work

[nimble turtle]

It says now I will get in 30 more troves

[pine barn]

Oh yeah

[chilly bloom]

But you have to make sure you’ve donated what you’re collected

[nimble turtle]

Yea

[chilly bloom]

As they are not linked

I organize my museum in the same order and spacing as the collection tab, then it’s easy to cross reference

🧠🧠

[pine barn]

Will check my next gaming session, but I think I just need to go to the desert with some treasure totems or geodes for the trader

[chilly bloom]

Yeah

[pine barn]

I've very much neglected the desert this playthrough

[chilly bloom]

I spend most of my time there

[nimble turtle]

Who do I give animal crackers 2?

[chilly bloom]

I always have machines there, buying sf, at the casino, in sc

[chilly bloom]

Fish ponds

Otherwise it doesn’t matter

[blazing jewel]

YO DUCKS GO IN THE WATER?

[chilly bloom]

Yep

[pine barn]

And yes, as such it's taken me till year 3 to fully upgrade my sprinklers, but I decided not to prioritise it

[chilly bloom]

Even the ducklings

[blazing jewel]

BASEDDDD

I SAW A DUCKLING YES LOL IT SCARED ME i was like NOOO

[chilly bloom]

I never do either, quality are only slightly worse

On a sprinkler to watered tile ratio

Only like 6-7% worse which is nothing

[nimble turtle]

Most usles treasure I got 10 bean starters

[chilly bloom]

I got 5 fall forage seeds in winter

[pine barn]

All my quality ones are now on GI maintaining my pineapple farm

[chilly bloom]

Just today 😐

[chilly bloom]

Honestly if anything it makes more sense to have the better ones on ginger island

Unless it’s all for the aesthetic ofc

[pine barn]

I might do in the end, but again, not a priority. I really should propose to my boyfriend.

Keep forgetting to do it

[chilly bloom]

Fair lol

Who is it?

[pine barn]

Sebastian this time round

[nimble turtle]

Same had to use a rain totem so I can get the pendant

Me to

Sebastian

[pine barn]

I was waiting for a fall wedding to be fair

[nimble turtle]

If you give a trout pond an animal cracker do you think it will give a prismatic shard

I am doing summer

[chilly bloom]

I believe the animal crackers on ponds only affect roe output

[nimble turtle]

Ah

[chilly bloom]

And even if it did it’s a horrid idea to use fish ponds for shards lol

On a random tile you’ll get one every 9 years approx

[nimble turtle]

Ah

[chilly bloom]

And that doesn’t scale linearly

[final sparrow]

I'm pretty sure you get double everything

i agree though it's not the most efficient but it's fun 🥲

[rare mason]

yeah nah i've gotten 20x spicy eel and 20x magma geode from one pond already

[small widget]

THEY WORK ON PONDS?

[rare mason]

yessir

[small widget]

omg
im glad i have a bunch extra (i wanna wait to get all of my ostriches to give them to my coop animals)

[rare mason]

i wanna give my next ones i get to ostriches too

[latent rune]

i didn't even think to try them on my ponds lmaoo

[rare mason]

but the 3 i got so far i gave to my eels

[latent rune]

ive been using them on the farm animals

[small widget]

question
does anyone have the trash catalogue already? idk how many trash cans i opened but i cannot get it :(

its the last one in my catalogue collection i need

[rare mason]

i do but i got lucky with it really early on

[rare mason]

you can check when and which can will give it to you

[small widget]

i love junimo + wizard stuff

[nimble turtle]

I got 2 trash

[small widget]

how?

[rare mason]

https://mouseypounds.github.io/stardew-predictor/

[nimble turtle]

If I proposed on the 26 married the 1st right?

[rare mason]

feel free to also buy out the casino with the help of that site

[nimble turtle]

It said I will get a 3rd trash catalog when I finish the night

[vapid furnace]

Considering that I buy my triple shots at the desert trader using diamonds, this'll save me a lot of money.

[small widget]

IM GONNA GET THE TRASH CATALOGUE IN 3 YEARS

[rare mason]

woah okay

damn...

[rare mason]

😅

yep

[final sparrow]

hot java is 💯

[small widget]

is there any way to change this? :(

[rare mason]

pretty sure not, maybe in some way to manipulate the savefile

did you check back in time when was the last time you would've been able to get it? xD

[small widget]

|:(

[rare mason]

ooof

[small widget]

yea
not even with like

luck buffs?

[rare mason]

dunno

[small widget]

i have a bunch of lucky lunches

(idk my save got em a lot so i bought like 50)

[rare mason]

maybe the wiki can tell you that

[tough remnant]

There's the dynamic seeding glitch, which is capable of permanently changing your game's seed to a different one of your choice

[rare mason]

yea you could try that

[tough remnant]

That is the only way

[small widget]

1. how do i do it
2. how do i get a seed that gives me the trash catalogue soon
3. wont that break other things?

[tough remnant]

It will change all seeded interactions. If you save a copy of your current seed somewhere else you can change back after a few days

Dunno how to seedfind for trash catalogue, you'd have to code a tool for it

[rare mason]

kek

[tough remnant]

But you can just try random seed and maybe it'll be better

[nimble turtle]

Gah I wanna sell my do you think the bookseller will take it

[small widget]

...there isnt a way to cheat it in isnt it?

[rare mason]

i suppose you can just try random seeds until you find one that is near

probably is

[tough remnant]

Item ID glitch maybe

[rare mason]

sell your what

[small widget]

i dont wanna do it that way if it means so much work

i just want the frickin lawnchair

[nimble turtle]

I have 5 trah catalogs

[tough remnant]

Not sure, I have never actually done that, it feels too cheaty to me

[rare mason]

nah bookseller only buys books

[nimble turtle]

Damn

[tough remnant]

Anyway, dynamic seed glitch is easy. Just gotta start making a new farm, go to advanced settings and type in a seed. Then back out to main menu, and load into your old save. Save will load with the new game seed, and at end of day will save as a new copy of the world rather than overwriting the old one

I have used it once to ensure perfect combination of remix mines chest to collect the maximum possible number of items

[small widget]

knowing me i will probably still mess something up and lose my save or something

[lucid pewter]

golden cracker ostrich vs pig. thoughts?

[rich trellis]

sandy dressed me up as link!

[rare mason]

i also have desert festival rn

[naive cape]

So I learned that perfection tracks mod NPCs too

[rare mason]

not sure what that is tho

[naive cape]

Definitely gonna be using the perfection waivers for the 10% perfection you get from friendship

[rare mason]

can't give it to pigs anyway

[tough remnant]

Nah, literally it cannot do that

[rare mason]

but idk which is better ostriches or lava eel pond

[tough remnant]

Pig is better per animal, ostrich is better per tile

[small widget]

but i can
dont underestimate me
especially when im sick

[tough remnant]

I suppose theoretically you could accidentally click to delete your save instead of loading it... and confirm it by accident as well

[topaz tangle]

has anyone done the math on comparing the dehydrator to kegs and preserve jars?

[tough remnant]

Which has nothing to do with the glitch but is just an everpresent danger when loading a save lol

[tough remnant]

It's worse for endgame when you're bottlenecked by number of crops, but better for earlygame when you're bottlenecked by number of machines

[topaz tangle]

Ooo, good to know

I've mostly been going for kegs and jars, but I was wondering if getting more than 2 dehydrators was worth it... Sounds like not really ^^;;

[small widget]

i just dont wanna mess with my files i lost an end game terraria save in that way

[regal orchid]

crafted wild seeds grant forage exp when grown and picked up, right?

[tough remnant]

Dehydrators are basically the equivalent of x1.5 +5 for each fruit. Jars are x2 +50. Kegs are x3 +0.

[tough remnant]

Yes but reduced XP compared to wild forage

[small widget]

also
how did it happen that i just proposed to alex rn and already have 10 hearts?

[rare mason]

nice +3 speed

[tough remnant]

Each dehydrator is basically the equivalent of 5 bad preserves jars basically. And unless you can process all your crops, it's better to have 5 bad machines than 1 good one.

[tough remnant]

You can't propose unless you already have 10 hearts?

[small widget]

i meant i gave him the flowers

[tough remnant]

Weird

[rare mason]

nvm i'm cracked

[small widget]

i mean im not complaing

[tough remnant]

Unless you just gave him a stardrop tea on his birthday then immediately bouquet the same day I guess?

[wooden oyster]

Dehydrators definitely don’t compare, but I think playstyle has a factor too. When it comes to console, I think I’m doing dehydrators over kegs/jars for sheer QoL. On console specifically.

[tough remnant]

Yeah, there is definitely a convenience factor to them too

[regal orchid]

is it very much reduced or still worth to do to farm up foraging?

[tough remnant]

2xp per item rather than 7

Although if you have gatherer, the double crops give 7xp for the second copy

[small widget]

the collection is going along nicely :D

[wooden oyster]

Yeah. Until buying in bulk becomes a thing. Then console becomes a more level playing field.

[tough remnant]

Eh, even then. It means you spend ~1/5th as much time loading/harvesting your machines

And need far less of them due to how fast they are

[wooden oyster]

Yeah there’s that too. You’re right.

I’m gonna try it out when 1.6 comes out anyway and see how much I miss that extra 100% profit.

[tough remnant]

Like, to match the processing power of 1 dehydrator, you need 35 kegs

[wooden oyster]

It’s crazy.

[west olive]

there might be a case to just cover a farm with junimo huts and process via dehydrators, would anything else really trump that in QOL? Autopetting/grabber animals aren't as scalable, I think.

[tough remnant]

They're better, significantly so

The ultimate high convenience mainland farm is rows on rows of deluxe coops with golden chickens + coopmaster profession, and autograbbers and autopetters

It's far more profitable than any crop based farm too

[wooden oyster]

^ with an automate mod, it’s just… well, automatic.

[west olive]

but by the time you can get golden chickens the game is pretty much over

[tough remnant]

Like, 3x as profitable as greenhouse ancient fruit wine

[tough remnant]

You can also do Shepherd with Sheep

[wooden oyster]

I can’t remember. What were the improvements to cloth with 1.6? Does it make them even more viable now?

[sour hare]

Iridium wool gives double cloth now

[rare mason]

gold wool 50% to give double cloth

[wooden oyster]

Ahhh. And before it was 50% chance right?

[tough remnant]

Yeah, it's now 10/50/100 rather than 10/25/50

[west olive]

saw this reddit post that underlines some issues with sheep. "I've been playing a sheep-focused (Joja) playthrough, and am now at the end of year 2 with about 12 deluxe barns full of max-friendship sheep. I still think pigs are better though. There are some big problems with sheep:

With Shepherd, they take ~32 days to reach enough friendship to produce 1 wool per day. Until then, they're only producing 1 wool every 2 days. You can increase friendship quicker with grass/blue grass but once you're in the end game it's difficult to have enough grass to feed all of your sheep.
There is no way you are going to get enough animal crackers to use on all of your sheep unless you fish 24/7. For reference I got farming mastery somewhere in Year 1 and have obtained around 15 crackers by the end of year 2 (I haven't been target farming them though). If there is a faster way than fishing please let me know - but IMO if you're going to be fishing all day it kinda defeats the purpose of sheep, which is the only fully automated money maker in the game as far as I am aware (once you have autopetters).
You are limited by Robin more than anything. You can only fill one deluxe barn full of sheep every 10/11 days, so you can't scale exponentially like you can with crops."

Some other notes for people interested in sheep:

Autopetters are great but only after you have got them to 4.5 hearts. If you use one before then, your sheep won't reach 4.5 hearts for over a year (and considering the cost of the barn, the sheep etc, they won't be profitable until about 3 seasons have passed).
Wool is better than Cloth, unless you're switching to Artisan prior to selling the cloth (as you need Shepherd to max the sheep friendship ASAP, and it also improves wool quality).
I think the issue with your calculations is that you're assuming the limiting factor for income generation is space, when it is actually the time it takes to get sheep up and running (both maxing their friendship and Robin). A maxed out barn full of sheep with an autopetter is great, but it takes a long time to get to that point. Pigs on the other hand start to become profitable much quicker, and produce 2-3x as much per barn as the sheep - so you can scale your wealth much faster.

In end game, of course you'd rather have 30 deluxe barns full of max-friendship sheep, but you aren't going to get to that stage for a very long time (probably after you've already finished the game).

[vapid furnace]

I swapped around my lucky burglar to a java burglar ring.

[tough remnant]

Really unnecessary sheep buff

[wooden oyster]

Gotcha.

[vapid furnace]

To be fair, people weren't buying it before, right?

Maybe people will get sheeps now?

[fervent turret]

is anything else unlocked when you claim all the rewards in grandpa's skill cave thing?

[tough remnant]

People already were, and then there's the golden crackers lol

Golden crackers were already enough to make people reevaluate animals

[wooden oyster]

Forgot about golden crackers. And blue grass gets friendship quicker.

[tough remnant]

Oh yeah, pigs are still king in the short term when you're building out the farm. They turn empty land into profitable land.

Always been clear on that front

[sour hare]

Nope

[topaz tangle]

My starter chickens hit max friendship so fast I love the blue grass

[tough remnant]

Pigs are unmatched when it comes to their ability to effectively utilise large tracts of land

[humble tinsel]

ohh does blue grass also increase friendship yeild?

[wooden oyster]

16 XP vs 8 XP for green grass.

[humble tinsel]

ok thats epic

[tough remnant]

It's when you run out of land and need to start optimising for space efficiency that pigs lose out (though they're still better than goats lol)

[sour hare]

Goat buff 1.7 🙏

[wooden oyster]

Yeah ranching is super viable now. I don’t understand the desire for an artisan nerf.

[tough remnant]

Where dinosaur buff

[wooden oyster]

The book!

[west olive]

I wonder if pigs are less player time intensive

[tough remnant]

Artisan still best profession even for most ranching builds. Only exceptions are raw golden egg strats and sheep.

[sour hare]

Artisan is *by far* the single most op profession in the game
Even in shepherd sheep cases you still want to prof swap

[tough remnant]

Artisan's problem is it's too universal

[west olive]

crops might win out due to huts and you still have to manually pick up truffles

[topaz tangle]

I just dunk all my animal products into machines and boom, artisan buff

[west olive]

anybody did the math on mushroom log or mystic tree efficiency?

[wooden oyster]

No I get that. But still. Sheeps and gold chickens basically beat out crops. When you have two paths that are capable of outclassing each other, I don’t think either needs a buff/nerf.

[sour hare]

Arti is also very boring bc as Sicarious said, it's just too universal

[tough remnant]

Artisan doesn't really have anything to do with crops, it's just a bonus for processing your goods... which you already wanted to do anyway.

[wooden oyster]

But shepherd and sheep.

That’s the viability.

[sour hare]

I quite liked your idea of a reverse Artisan ie a raw crops buff

[topaz tangle]

Could be neat :o

[sour hare]

Still want Arti when selling the cloth

[tough remnant]

Shepherd and Sheep is still better if you horde cloth then swap to artisan once every few years to sell

[wooden oyster]

Right. Which means you have shepherd on more than artisan no?

I mean, I kinda see the point y’all are making. They should be separate in a sense. Like crab pots and angler.

[topaz tangle]

I'm honestly thinking of modifying my late game plans to have more animals cuz with an auto grabber plus the automated mod, they're practically self sufficient.... I like crops, but I also like doing stuff outside of just my farm, like foraging, fishing, or exploring the new areas I've unlocked

[wooden oyster]

Console player here. 😞

[topaz tangle]

Oh valid

[tough remnant]

I did the maths for a theoretical perfect farm on an infinite plane, which was complicated enough. With pathing included, the average comes out just below island/greenhouse ancient fruit.

But that doesn't apply to mushroom logs on the edge of your tree field. Those all operate at significantly lower efficiency. So you want your field to be the largest possible square grid of trees with mushroom logs filling in the gaps while leaving pathing space.

[topaz tangle]

I'm not sure which would be more efficient in that case. I've only played PC

[thin cairn]

What can I do with leftover Sweet Gem Berries? I've already done the Secret Woods cannoli stardrop.

[sour hare]

Ranching is super convenient but takes longer to get the ball rolling than with crops

[tough remnant]

Just sell

[sour hare]

Sell them
You also need to sell at least one for collection

[tough remnant]

Yeah, Robin too slow lol

Also the best animals (golden chickens) need to be incubated, which makes filling the coops very slow

[sour hare]

Not just her but maturity, max friendship etc
By the time I have my barns set up I usually have a full AF Greenhouse already

[wooden oyster]

I’m gonna stick to crops and dehydrators for my first 1.6. Then I’ll do meadowlands and try sheep. I wanna give both a shot.

I’ll never do mystic trees and mushroom logs. I’m not farming all the mats required.

[tough remnant]

Mushroom Log maths is so much more complicated than any other farm equipment lol

[topaz tangle]

I've gotten so many mats for stuff like that just from running around getting wood

[wooden oyster]

Lol. I saw you working on it the other day. I think you just gave up and said eff it.

[sour hare]

Dehydrators may lose to kegs/jars but they are also more fun in my experience, craft time goes brrrrr
I am throughly berrypilled

[wooden oyster]

See that’s what excites me. The convenience.

[tough remnant]

Oh no, I did calculate it for perfect conditions with mystic trees

[sour hare]

He eventually did the math and it is super impressive

[wooden oyster]

Oh Jesus lol. Do I even wanna see?

[sour hare]

It's gonna be king for convenience in my Switch farm when console gets 1.6

[tough remnant]

To repeat...

Mystic tree gives 1250g every 4 days with heavy tapper and tapper profession, those are easy,
Per 8 tiles, there are 2 mushroom logs with 12 trees around them, and 1 with 16 trees.
Both always give 5 mushrooms, and the differences in mushroom distribution are negligible, so they can be treated identically.
The mushroom logs produce 59.3% purple mushrooms, 34.4% common mushrooms, and 6.3% red mushrooms.
You can pickle the purple and common mushrooms, regardless of quality, which then sell for 770g and 182g respectively.
The red mushrooms from the 12-tree logs, assuming moss on all trees, are 40% base quality, 24% silver quality, 14.4% gold quality, and 21.6 iridium quality, creating an average sell price 101g
This means that the 12-tree mushroom logs generate an average of 525.6g per mushroom, which is 2628g per harvest.
For the 16-tree logs, red mushrooms are 20% base, 16% silver, 12.8% gold, and 51.2% iridium, creating an average sell price of 121g
This means that the 16-tree mushroom logs generate an average of 526.8g per mushroom, which is 2634g per harvest (boy was it worth calculating that difference lol)

Everything can be harvested every 4 days, and per 8 tile section, you will have 2 mystic trees, 2 12-tree logs, and 1 16-tree log.
That makes for a total average harvest value of 10390 every 4 days, which translates to... 324.7/d/t

[hard dagger]

Switch 1.6 when

[wooden oyster]

That’s my point entirely. For console, I have to go dehydrators. No way I’m touching kegs/jars as it is now.

[wooden oyster]

You know 325 g/d/t isn’t bad.

[tough remnant]

Yeah, greenhouse/island AF is 330

[wooden oyster]

But really you need so many to rely on it.

[west olive]

what are some efficient y2/post cc income strats, before perfection or other industrial things are online

[sour hare]

Mods should pin this imho

[tough remnant]

Also, this is including empty paths. If you do this on the GI farm and fill gaps with AF it's like, 440g/d/t

[muted vine]

are these trinkets supposed to be rare?
i got 5 in 2 hours, 3 a minute from each other

[tough remnant]

Real strength of mushroom log/mystic tree setup though is that you can do it off-farm

[wooden oyster]

Honestly, optimal hasn’t changed. Dehydrators added convenience. Sheep still up there. AF/Starfruit debate rages on. Yada yada.

[wooden oyster]

But the mass production. I can’t get over that.

[muted vine]

in order fairy, frog, quiver, spur, paw

[wooden oyster]

One frickin tree isn’t bad. 100 is a different story. 500 and I quit.

[tough remnant]

You cab do fishing for a lot longer, that's a big change.

[wooden oyster]

Yeah true. Early/mid changed.

[muted vine]

when were sheeps up there

[sour hare]

Even lateish fishing is quite good
Smokers are crazy

[tough remnant]

And hilariously, because edges are less efficient, you need to do this farm at large scale to make it work. It basically doesn't scale down.

[wooden oyster]

Challenge bait lava eels at the volcano with smoker and artisan and bait maker.

[sour hare]

You can get the Legendaries quest from Qi too and knock yourself out smoking them

[wooden oyster]

Exactly. It’s near impossible. I’m not spending 1,000 hours farming 2500 seeds of each.

[muted vine]

couldve been fun too if you werent hooking up trash all the time

[sour hare]

Do it on the caldera, not on the mines

[tough remnant]

Honestly they always were, but it became well known in the minmaxing circles around 1.4

[muted vine]

hm

at the caldera too, i get ~20 trash for one eel
have no idea why as eel encounter rate on wiki is 54%

[sour hare]

Fish fear you i guess

[wooden oyster]

I think challenge bait might be better than bait maker at the volcano. But I think it needs testing.

[muted vine]

yep i dont allow even one to escape when hooked