programmers-off-topic

[hushed raven]

no never mind I just forgot I had a filter on from a while ago XD

[lethal walrus]

😭

[dusty pollen]

have you reloaded? it doesn't start listening to requests until you reload the page with the network tab open

oh yup you searched for files

[hushed raven]

I did, multiple times, I just didn't realise the filter at the top is persistant across web pages and restarts XD that has been there for a while

[lethal walrus]

it works on mobile!

i dont know why its not showing the referrer for my desktop

id guess its bc its the same ip but.. its not meant to be tracking?

why does it think me and atlas are on laptops

[hushed raven]

aww no sitemap for my curious perusing XD

[hushed raven]

I most certainly am not XD

[lethal walrus]

https://pillow.rocks
https://pillow.rocks/domains
https://pillow.rocks/unused
https://pillow.rocks/blog
https://pillow.rocks/docs

there you go

[dusty pollen]

are you a time traveller from 2006?

[lethal walrus]

also https://pillow.rocks/converters

[hushed raven]

always, I time travel on the daily

[lethal walrus]

this is so easy to add to things

its on alts.best now too :D

i wonder if i go to a site from the discord app does it send a referer

the answer is no

[hushed raven]

not by the URL

Ahhh

I love the single header ontop of alts.best XD it is true, you have so many XD

[lethal walrus]

this is actually one of the more marketable ones!

the header doesnt work for me on mobile though for some reason

oh the header margin is too big

[hushed raven]

works fine on mine, you're the outlier here

[lethal walrus]

it wdoesnt even work in ctrl+shift+m

i mean that you cant click it

[hushed raven]

I can click it XD

but I can't on desktop

well no I did, but it's stopped working now

[lethal walrus]

[hushed raven]

Oh it's a tiny sliver above that can be clicked, working as intended, totally XD

[lethal walrus]

its now margin and not padding and it works perfectly for me and looks identical

:( redness on my vercel analytics

[lethal walrus]

did you happen to use the search box on your home screen to go to it

and the link works on mobile now yay

[long verge]

Why is .rocks even a thing ?

[lethal walrus]

because donuts inc said it should be

[hushed raven]

searchbox? like in the browser? yes I did

[lethal walrus]

.. or maybe identity digital?

[lethal walrus]

interesting

because it looks like the referrer is com.google.android.googlequicksearchbox

[hushed raven]

Ahhhh ye it's the little pill wdiget on my homescreen

[lethal walrus]

ah yeah that makes sense

[hushed raven]

I didn't know that had a referrer, interesting

[lethal walrus]

mhm

[long verge]

Answer : money apparently

[lethal walrus]

why is vscode angy

anyway paste.sarl has analytics too now

[hushed raven]

Oh I got rid of the bottom bar on that page and now don't know what the other two buttons do XD

[lethal walrus]

yes you have to remove the hash from the url to fix that

[hushed raven]

actually is paste.sarl supposed to do something? I imagine a pastebin like thing but it doesn't want to type

[hushed raven]

ahhhhh

[lethal walrus]

did you click the button on the bottom to disable input

its like https://topaz.github.io/paste but different

[hushed raven]

I pressed all the buttons so I assume so, none of them have any hover context so I have no clue what they mean XD

[lethal walrus]

fair

[hushed raven]

Ahhhh okay gotcha

[little furnace]

@lethal walrus The size is off and I hate it

[lethal walrus]

i know and i dont know why it does that

[little furnace]

I'll try to analyze it.

[hushed raven]

I'm guessing the iframe isn't resizing correctly and you should fingle the fangle to get the jangle to flangle, that's the solution 100%

[lethal walrus]

that would be yes but i dont know how to fingle the fangle

[little furnace]

I mean, the iFrame is obviously the reason because replacing it with an image fixes it.

[lethal walrus]

mhm

[little furnace]

Okay, the issue is that an iFrame is a sandbox and there are historic expectations to it. The content you embed will be rendered at its native size no matter what. You can scale it using transform: scale(), but that isn't dynamic.

You can build an observer that resizes it automatically.

[lethal walrus]

hthmhpmhgphmfhmgfhkm

i could definitely do some cursed javascript for that actually

[safe dragon]

ur so right

[lethal walrus]

okay why do they scale SLIGHTLY differently

meh theyre the same to 3 decimals usually thats good enough

ill just average it and if you can see subpixels on your phone for some reason, no you can't lmao

oh...

[hushed raven]

free advertising, nice one XD

[lethal walrus]

so it makes a several pixel differnce actually

okay this is impossible to do

its just slightly off and i dont want to deal with it anymore

[safe dragon]

Are there relational database engines other than sqlite that use a single file as the storage medium...

[little furnace]

Every database, you just need to zip the files :P

[safe dragon]

I like the convenience of having a simple file as a database but I'm not particularly fond of sqlite itself

[lethal walrus]

hmmm how do i do money on umami

interseting https://v2.umami.is/docs/reports/report-revenue

[cinder karma]

https://chaos.social/@rixx/116624808071439887

rixx (@[e-mail])

Firefox noooo

#firefox #ai

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[weak obsidian]

oooo so beautiful

[devout vault]

How about no

Especially on royalroad, that’d defeat the point of being there

[lethal walrus]

who is going to pillow.rocks from facebook wtf

.. how is it getting to /domains from facebook

a linux desktop (the first time its detected desktop!) chrome user from the US but using facebook.. that probably exists

[cinder karma]

If i cheat and use bullion to support my stock this actually seems eags

Easy Homemade Pho - Tastes Better From Scratch https://share.google/9HcJOzE7vkNHqb5z0

Who the fsck still uses Facebook

Lol

[weak obsidian]

really bad idea

I actually dont mind if they summarize tabs (as a toggleable feature, via localized AI only, no cloud)

but links? thats never gonna work well

[hushed raven]

I thought you meant stock market stock for a second XD

[cinder karma]

I'm not at home so no gif from atra

.q add "if I cheat and use bullion to support my stock" - @cinder karma

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #8149 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1507874404271390891)

[weak obsidian]

i dont listen to i- well, your a nice person, I don't wanna make a joke, even if your name is funny rn

but your not a local dumbo silly

u supa smart!

smart like chocolate chip cookie, strong like 2 week stale chocolate chip cookie 💪

[devout vault]

wow, atra just got called stale

[cinder karma]

https://bsky.app/profile/undeniablyalex.bsky.social/post/3mmjxb7tud22c

Alex McMillan (@undeniablyalex.bsky.social)

YOU’RE LISTENING TO SISYPHUS FM, THE HOME OF NON-STOP ROCK

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Bluesky · May 23, 2026, 5:16 PM

[little furnace]

#programmers-off-topic message

[cinder karma]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/1p01c70/d_tsinghua_iclr_paper_withdrawn_due_to_numerous/

[safe dragon]

Jane Doe is such a profilic researcher

my most positive interpretation of this is that these people would've probably doctored their research papers regardless and this just makes them easier to catch

[sand frost]

My cynical take (echoed by some comments in the thread) is that ML as a field is largely rotten from a standards and rigor perspective

They do have some interesting results, but they can rarely explain them, and the interesting results are coming from a process that is also silently generating reams of nonsense (which of course never gets published)

People who care about rigor stay out of ML and into TCS (or other adjacent fields), compounding the problem

[dusty pollen]

I don't fully agree with you there but I do partially agree

the black-box nature of ML is a massive problem but there is rigor on the mathematical side at least

[sand frost]

In my experience, the rigor is patched together long after the fact, if there is any

I admit my experience with ML as a field also included professional misconduct not relevant to the theory, perhaps biasing me

[dusty pollen]

and also the mathematical side has zero understanding of the actual applications of the research what else is new

I think it's a field currently haunted by being at the peak of the hype cycle

[sand frost]

There’s too much money/hype, and it causes churn in the academic side

[dusty pollen]

and there's, as always, no money in replication/systematic reviews

[sand frost]

I saw professors leave for hedge funds and teach really poorly

(This wasn’t even the misconduct, even though I highly disapprove of bad teaching!)

[dusty pollen]

and tbh with how a lot of unis treat junior teaching staff, I can't even blame them for leaving

(senior teaching staff is a different problem ofc)

[sand frost]

People getting hired all across academia with weaker skills and weaker care for ethics because “they do ML! We need ML!”

[sand frost]

Senior tenured profs

They didn’t have teaching profs in that dept, I believe

[dusty pollen]

my uni's allergy to practical applications of research kind of saved me in this regard lmao

I barely heard the term chatgpt throughout

[sand frost]

I was coming at it from the practical applications side (modeling engineering problems), so I at least had basic physics/experimental data as ground truth and replicability sources

This stuff that I hated I saw from classes I was taking

I was at a very big uni for grad school, so I saw a lot of different stuff

I didn’t hear a lot about chatgpt, but there was a lot of buzz about ML more broadly

I think a lot of it pressed my “get upset” buttons: the poor justifications in a mathematical sense, the poor teaching standards, and the poor ethical standards

A perfect trifecta of me not respecting their work

[cinder karma]

Goooooood morning

Drove five hours. Am exhausted

Plz send coffee

Thank u!

Anything of interest today?

[little furnace]

Nothing really.

What about you?

Other than driving?

[cinder karma]

Just driving

[weak obsidian]

I-i got a shiny garadoes, if that counts

[sand frost]

I’m on a plane

[weak obsidian]

To where

[sand frost]

My husband did the pre-plane driving

The 7th circle of Hell, also known as LAX

[weak obsidian]

Dangg

[little furnace]

For me the most interesting thing was that I tried the sauna today. It's pretty convenient to have one on the patio. But it didn't really feel that good yet. Need to wait a bit more until the weather is better.

[cinder karma]

My gym has a sauna but I get bored

[little furnace]

I don't really like using one on my own. Company is better because you can chat. But having someone make it more intense by pouring water on the stones and fawning the hot air to you is even better.

[cinder karma]

So i need to make more gym friends lol

[little furnace]

That's an idea. Though in Finland you usually chat with strangers. Which is the only opportunity for them to chat at all, because they otherwise don't say a word.

[errant comet]

i love winter saunas

Haven't had one this winter sadly

[little furnace]

I prefer them in summer. If you heat it up to the point that it exhausts your body, then totally kill any sense of temperatur by dipping into a cold pool, you will survive any heat for the next few hours.

[errant comet]

Winter russian saunas are kinda different in my experience, tho I was in Finnish and Turkish saunas as well

I really like the temp change

From -20 to 80

And the whole winter vibe around it

Too bad I won't be able to experience it again in a while

[little furnace]

I only really know German ones, which are a mix of Finish and Russian but less casual, unfortunately.

[cinder karma]

I have no clue the difference

[little furnace]

Finish are hotter and dryer, Russian are less hot and more humid. In both you sometimes beat each other with bundles of oak or birch whisks to encourage circulation, but that's only occasional in Finish while standard in Russian. Russian saunas are also a bit more communal and lively, while Finish public saunas are a bit more quiet and meditative, especially public ones.

[cinder karma]

There are no beatings in a gym sauna in the US

I do see people take their phones in (yikes)

People go in wearing clothes

[little furnace]

That sounds like a weird sauna. You wouldn't want that in either a Finish or Russian one. Both are too hot to hold a phone or even wear clothes.

[errant comet]

My sauna wasn't public thankfully, it was my grandparents they built themselves

[cinder karma]

Clothes seems okay because we arent European

[errant comet]

They are less hot got cuz they're humid and humid air feels pretty hot compared to same temp dry air iirc

I can't imagine 100° in Russian sauna

😭

That would be pretty much boiling alive

Well maybe not boiling but steamed surely

And for the Finnish ones I think I seen something like 110 even?

Not sure butt it was way higher than I imagined

[little furnace]

In Germany it sometimes feels like that. I've seen Finish people complain that our saunas feel too hot.

[errant comet]

Also offtopic but I really like this image it represents me a lot

[little furnace]

I don't know you too well, but you're worth much more than 10$.

[errant comet]

[little furnace]

I don't think that one can express your value in money.

Or anyone's value, for that matter.

[errant comet]

Cuz the concept is not about the price it's the feeling

Spry it's 5am and i haven't sleep yet

[little furnace]

Same here. And my internet just died, which is why I wasn't able to send that.

Nighty!

[hushed raven]

I have seen tech and stuff on facebook for so cheap because people didn't know what it was, my mum's friend had a "internet box" on for 10£, it was a sodding PS4

[errant comet]

Was it in okay state at least

I wouldn't mind one internet box

[hushed raven]

it was fully working, bit dusty but otherwise perfect, my friend ended up gettting it as a gift for their partner, pretty sure it's still going too

[safe dragon]

thanks Firefox when did I ask

[hardy jewel]

wow so kind of firefox

[safe dragon]

what kinda fucked up nonsensical location are we hosting it this time lemme check

oh

north america

they've definitely done worse I suppose

idk how 3 different countries are all hosting the world cup within the same year tho

"sorry your next match is a 6 hour flight from here"

apparently Algeria has to travel 4800 kilometers for their group stage matches

Their first match is in Kansas City, their next match is in San Fransisco and then the match after they have to go back to Kansas City again

[little furnace]

Let me guess: they never do anything like that for the women's world cup?

[safe dragon]

smh women don't play football

[little furnace]

It's in the US, they call it sucker or something like that.

[safe dragon]

we had a short phase a few years ago where we were suddenly really supportive when it came to women's football because our own team was doing really well and then we forgot again

[little furnace]

Nobody here has been supportive because the men are doing so good (well, not really anymore after Brazil).

[safe dragon]

no clue how we've been doing

my hater energy usually just hopes we fail early so people shut up about it and we can move on

[little furnace]

That's reasonable.

@cinder karma https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/citroen/365697/citroen-2cv-return-ps13k-ev-city-car-honouring-iconic-original

EV 2CV.

Didn't want to interrupt you, Crumble, just found that and wanted to inform Atra.

[safe dragon]

my dad loved that car

its often referred to as the ugly duckling roughly translated

[little furnace]

It's just "Duck" here. But I love it as well.

The new version certainly looks more stylish than the new Beetle.

That advertising is hilarious.

[safe dragon]

I can see my dad legimitately buying it

his current car is like 15 years old

counting the time the previous owner had it at least

[little furnace]

That's not that old for a car though. The one I inherited from my aunt turned 32 this year.

[safe dragon]

fair I suppose

ultimately depends how long the thing lasts

it's a toyota so they tend to do well in that regard

[little furnace]

Yeah, Toyotas barely break in a conventional way.

[hardy jewel]

I don't think I've ever sat in a car that's less than 15 years old

[little furnace]

I have. We have a lot of carsharing here, and I occasionally use that when public transport wouldn't be viable (I don't want to use the old car too much), and all of the cars are at most three years old.
One car didn't have any radio or entertainment system at all, just a phone holder and NFC data sharing.

[hardy jewel]

That makes sense, I don't think we have anything like that here that's popular. Or Uber. Or public transport...

The car scene here when I was growing up was in general just super old, even for the people who weren't dirt poor

for one of my birthdays as a kid I asked to sit in a modern car to see what it was like and no one granted me that wish smh

[little furnace]

Honestly, it's not too different just sitting inside one, but driving is usually more comfortable. For manual cars the clutch is more forgiving, for automatic cars the system is better and for EVs it's inherently super smooth.

[safe dragon]

I have quite a few colleagues who replace their car if it's like 4 years old

actually there is not in between. Either it's a colleague who just drives a vehicle till it stops working or it's someone who keeps up to date on new car releases and gets a new car every few years

[cinder karma]

It's cute!

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #8151 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1508051403225169980)

[cinder karma]

Okay but the fox is cute

https://bsky.app/profile/yasharali.bsky.social/post/3mmi65yvv2s2z

Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yasharali.bsky.social)

1. London Underground station flooding has reportedly been reduced by around 90% thanks to a group of engineers: beavers.

After conservationists reintroduced a family of beavers into a nearby city park, the animals built dams and restored wetlands that now absorb and slow floodwater naturally.

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Bluesky · May 23, 2026, 12:14 AM

[dusty pollen]

I feel like the flooding would at least have helped solve the heating problem...

(the clay the tunnels are made of has absorbed heat over time)

[safe dragon]

"finally it's cool here. Shame I'm drowning"

[cinder karma]

https://youtu.be/safzyuZNCGI?si=xrnr7QtGNHH_jkPS

[sand frost]

One of my coworkers and I were comparing car ages

He won handily with a ~20 year old car, but he did recently replace it

Mine is a mere 15 years old

My husband’s is practically shiny and new at 5 years old

[cinder karma]

Mine is only 10 years old lol

A better question - how many miles is your car?

[lethal walrus]

i love nearly entirely reusing my own code for another project

[weak obsidian]

W H A T ?

i assume its a bot that does this?

making 2-4+ contributions on the low end per day and 20+ on the brighter green is insane

id assume the big green is merging between branches

[lethal walrus]

no

my obsidian vault is synced with git

[weak obsidian]

ohhh

i was so concerned

like, are you the next linus torvalds in activity? 🤣

was gonna say, that commit (if it was pure code) looks like a full time job

[weak obsidian]

thats a really cool feature

aa githunn

i hate when it liesss, i work so much on my other branches and not just raw comitting

i assume once i commit from beta to main, it'd be around 100 commits

[lethal walrus]

some are real but yeah vast majority are obsidian

[little furnace]

Celeste update: I got the ||1-up|| and the ||Moon Berry|| and have 100%ed it now (excluding Goldens). Time to play... I have no idea.

That feels weird.

[lethal walrus]

I never realised your pfp was a cat.. somehow

[little furnace]

That's Alexander, the cutest cat, whose birthday was five days ago.

[dusty pollen]

"cutest cat" citation? preferably in image dump form

[lethal walrus]

This is very important. We can't he risking the spread of misinformation of cat

[cinder karma]

Make a list and make other people do silly things to choose from the list

[hushed raven]

and then theres me whos forgotten to commit anything in weeks

Oh wait my forgejo has commits, guess I've just moved away from github without realising XD

[little furnace]

Don't really have anything newer than that and the next one: #programmers-off-topic message

[little furnace]

That sound good, thank you

[cinder karma]

Goooooood morning programmers

This is what I'm listening to

https://youtu.be/O2l-LicDYAw?si=84mql-PgXP-fzc2z

It starts by explaining how to evacuate the build

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #8160 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1508226809550999684)

[devout vault]

Atra did you break your timezone-ometer

[cinder karma]

It's been broken since 2011 btw

[devout vault]

citation? prefereably in uberbot quote number form

[cinder karma]

This discord didnt exist in 2011

[devout vault]

preferably

it goes back to 2016, and other forms are allowed, even if not preferred

smh

[cinder karma]

@ Elizabeth halp

Pls back me up

Saying good morning despite the actual hour of the day was a thing. Right

Plz

[sand frost]

Not for me haha

It’s closer to morning here

Only 4pm

[cinder karma]

😿

[errant comet]

saying good morning when its not good and its not even morning is sad

but I do that a lot so whatevers

[errant comet]

@weak obsidian played around with some colorful outlines
really love how it turned out

[weak obsidian]

Aww hahah those are so cutee

[errant comet]

havent done much pxc lately and felt like doing something

those fishes were pretty perfect for that

[weak obsidian]

those look like

stickers

[errant comet]

If I only had a way to print stickers at home id do so much with those pixel arts

Not particularly your fishes but like in general!!

[weak obsidian]

WOWWW

[weak obsidian]

(kidding)

yeah i agree

[devout vault]

Wow, the mold just won't stop growing, will it. (re: #bulletin-board )

[safe dragon]

[cinder karma]

Aren't 3/4 ex junimos?

[hardy jewel]

yes!

the mould RETURNS

[weak obsidian]

Mold!!

[fleet wren]

and right when I'm about to clean this patch of mold in my apartment

don't worry it's not big

[cinder karma]

Too late you've joined the mold

Anyways

Grow some vascular tissue and become a fern?

Tbh you're all green we should have assigned all y'all crops

[weak obsidian]

your...mold?
woah! congrats 🥳

[fleet wren]

I know in advance which crop won't get picked by anyone
||it's kale||

||no one likes kale /lh||

[cinder karma]

I like kale smh

[weak obsidian]

i like chocolate chip cookie plants imo

[cinder karma]

I would pick kale over moderating a discord of this size

[weak obsidian]

I pitch this idea to the mods

i will not pitch any further ideas obv, its not my place

but some servers are doing this now, and it helps prevent every single one of those mrbeast scams lol

[fleet wren]

yeah I know quite a few servers implement this already but I wonder if this server is too big for it (disclaimer just my opinion etc. etc.)

[red crest]

Server suggestions should go in #1019646506665525441 and not a Junimo who became one a mere ~15min ago /lh

[weak obsidian]

hmm, unsure how the API's work and their limits, good observation, I didnt think of it

[cinder karma]

#1019646506665525441

[fleet wren]

that too

[cinder karma]

Let's get back to posting opus gifs

[weak obsidian]

personally, i think its best when they are not even a junimo for a minute, best idea is to overwelm them

(kidding)

[cinder karma]

Button, are you pulling rank on Selph

[weak obsidian]

ty! didnt know it existed

[cinder karma]

Anyways

[red crest]

I'm pulling "this is the best way to go about things" 😌

[cinder karma]

Please direct all excess kale at me, I'll take it

[red crest]

I don't believe I've ever had kale

[hardy jewel]

cooked kale is so good

with garlic? omg

[devout vault]

go make a "what stardew valley crop are you?" quiz and force all the junimos to take it

[cinder karma]

Smh

I deleted my Facebook account in 2014

[devout vault]

and?

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[cinder karma]

Anyways, do u have opus gifs

[devout vault]

of course not

unless random ones from the discord gif search count

[cinder karma]

Facebook was the home of those quizzes

Anyways

I wont ask u what stardew veggies u are, but what stardew farm are you? Stardew Valley Farm Quiz https://share.google/86vDlwN0gKL21eWqq

[fleet wren]

til people upload opus magnum gifs to that

[errant comet]

Omg green selph

So unusual

[devout vault]

they already have

I was saying I don't have any unless those count 😛

[devout vault]

They were never hosted on facebook though, and sites exist focused on making your own. 😛

I think the last I heard of some of then was in the context of ones tumblr users made

[red crest]

i think that was a "today i learned"

[devout vault]

oops

I read it as 'til (= until)

[cinder karma]

I'm ancient apparently

[devout vault]

wow, this page took like 12 seconds to load

wow I'm basic

(standard farm)

[cinder karma]

It's. Buzzfeed

[devout vault]

I barely know buzzfeed exists

I wonder how long it would've taken if I didn't have an adblocker

[cinder karma]

What should I do....

(Running is an option)

[devout vault]

figure out why monogame shaders hate me, so I can get back to working on fun stuff?

(running on a treadmill? or outside despite how dark it is?)

[cinder karma]

Ask @red crest

We have decided Button is thr shader expert

(Outside!)

There are street lights

[devout vault]

@ button why do shaders hate me, specifically

[red crest]

Third dimension

[devout vault]

I think shaders are used more often in 3d than 2d though

[red crest]

In monogame?

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/malcolm-reynolds-no-comment-speechless-nope-none-gif-3747889

wow that's a very crunchy version of that gif

And shortened

[cinder karma]

I also got standard farm

[little furnace]

Why is it captioned as "Malcolm Reynolds"? That's Nathan Fillion in Castle, not Firefly.

[devout vault]

captioned?

Also I've thought every time in I've seen this gif its from firefly

[little furnace]

It shows captions for me. Small descriptive captions.

GIF - malcolm reynolds no comment speechless nope none gif

[devout vault]

weird

I've never heard of it not being from firely, so I wonder if everyone just assumes firefly, hence the tags

It's not exactly the original IP owners posting those gifs 😛

[little furnace]

I mean, that's his biggest success, so maybe.

I love Firefly, but I really didn't like the movie.

[cinder karma]

🔥 🪰

One of the best insects of all time

I saw a passionfruit flower today

So pretty

I dont have gifs so this is literally what I see

Anyways, Casey, the new obsession is with ferns. Dont ask

[devout vault]

the fiddlehead variety?

oops I asked

[prisma flume]

looks like the pipeline from mod author to moderator is still running

[cinder karma]

I'm waving mold at u, bluebs

Also kinda at chue

[prisma flume]

you can keep your kale 🙂‍↕️

[cinder karma]

I love kale

Blueberry, what is ur favorite fruit or veggie?

Tbh there is basically no veggie i dislike

[prisma flume]

take a wild guess

[fleet wren]

...apricot?

[sand frost]

cranberry?

[cinder karma]

Rhubarb ofc

[cinder karma]

waves mold at casey

[devout vault]

no

[steel kraken]

throwing mold at casey would make her a watermelon instead

[devout vault]

Are we sure Pathos is a watermelon and not a moldy strawberry

[cinder karma]

We should ask him

But I see watermelon jolly rancher

[hardy jewel]

pathos is christmas in july

[devout vault]

394 levels until I hit level 2k, and I can legally demand ask nicely for a custom gradient

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #8162 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1508308812887621743)

[devout vault]

(great of context quote but I'm not sure the context will help much in this case 😛 )

[steel kraken]

I'm assuming northern hemisphere normies don't do christmas in july

[devout vault]

I've definitely heard people mention it mostly jokingly

I don't think I ever made the connection that that's where the phrase probably came from

[steel kraken]

In a journal entry dated December 1827, colonial settler James Macarthur reflected on the challenges of observing Christmas during the Australian summer and proposed relocating its traditional "eating and drinking" aspects to a cooler season

[devout vault]

dang, I like it better as a meme / commentary on the ever encroaching corporate seasonal marketing

[steel kraken]

Related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnJ8jsw4BSo

[cinder karma]

Show off a new stardew 3d video every day until then?

[devout vault]

I don't even work on it every day 😛

currently procrastinating a bit because of the shader crash 😔

[cinder karma]

I dont mean work on it every day just show smth off every day

[devout vault]

There's not much to show off

[steel kraken]

One day I might rebase my .net9/10 experiments on top of latest smapi and experiment again with the alternate GC now that I think its available for .net10

[devout vault]

It's not latest SMAPI?

Oh no

There goes my plan to bypass the problem 😔

[steel kraken]

its like november smapi, but I dont think any meaningful API changes have happened since

[devout vault]

actually doing that still depends on how much of a pain updating SDV monogame looks

[steel kraken]

oh it was on 4.3.2 and looks like 4.4 did actually have stuff and the qol stuff in 4.5

might have had some of 4.4 by accident due to being based on the develop branch at the time and not stable

I also want to tweak it slightly and have a common ancestor commit to do the replumbing for arbitrary smapi-internal folder name, as that is mainly only to make A/B testing and a 'real' .net10 deploy of smapi would still use regualr smapi-internal

[devout vault]

moving to my thread because this is dangerously beyond on topic

[cinder karma]

iro had beaten me on this puzzle

emphasis. had

[dusty pollen]

rood

[vagrant basalt]

@viral cliff Thanks for your Subnautica mods! I use several of them

[gaunt shuttle]

Australia mentioned!!!

[lethal walrus]

umami is so fun

[safe dragon]

o looks like the AV2 video codec might be getting released in a few days

on the 29th most likely

[crystal wren]

I can't wait to not be able to use it because the encoding is too slow!

[fleet wren]

hmm improved vr support, wonder what that entails

[safe dragon]

it'll get released, we'll get a bunch of benchmarks and comparisons and then wait 10 years for things to support it

[cinder karma]

an insane amount of arms for what this does

[crystal wren]

Maybe taking advantage of the overlapping 90% similar parts? Assuming it means for encoding... both eyes?

[fleet wren]

this solution actually scares me a bit

[cinder karma]

wdym

[fleet wren]

oh im just in awe lol

[cinder karma]

I guarentee the actual leaderboard solves don't look so...silly

[crystal wren]

Yeah, but where's the fun in that?

[fleet wren]

love the wacky intermediary molecules

[safe dragon]

probably means it supports multiview encoding

and latency improvements maybe

[fleet wren]

yeah makes sense; the other thing I was thinking is native support for non-flat render surfaces because as it stands vr videos are just flat videos in a certain format that headsets stretch out to fill the view

[safe dragon]

there might be reason to believe that the tech valve teased with the steam frame is AV2 stuff

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiview_Video_Coding

[fleet wren]

and you can see weird stuff in the places that the seams join up
-# I also have little idea how video encoding work though

[safe dragon]

arcane witchcraft is mostly how

lmao wtf

[cinder karma]

steam...frame...2?

[safe dragon]

the steam frame hasn't even come out yet and they were asking if they should wait for the second one a year ago

[cinder karma]

that's a locomotive

[errant comet]

by the time I get enough money I think steam frame 3 will be around already

[safe dragon]

they don't do 3s

[crystal wren]

The answer is yes, you should. Give me a better chance.

[errant comet]

exactly

[safe dragon]

I kinda wonder if the steam frame stuff is actually part of av2

[cinder karma]

what's the steam frame 2?

[safe dragon]

like foveated streaming

[crystal wren]

You think maybe the streaming stuff uses AV2?

[safe dragon]

Probably not? If anything maybe just a custom extension to AV1

it'd be a bit early to rely on tech that has never even really been tested yet

[crystal wren]

I actually don't know what it uses for the streaming... AV1 could be iffy if you just happen to not have hardware encoding support for it.

[safe dragon]

presumably it would do direct streaming to the headset and that does the decoding

idk

[crystal wren]

Yeah, but it still has to be encoded to before it gets transmitted, and that's where the pain would be.

[safe dragon]

I guess that doesn't really avoid the problem yeah

they have to be doing the foveated rendering somehow

and I don't think that's part of any existing video spec

not an open one anyway

[cinder karma]

this is the actual leaderboard solve and it feels like arms everywhere https://files.mors.technology/CALLIGRAPHER_S_INK/540g-77c-154a-111i-70a2550c.mp4

first bird to the worm defines teh spec

[safe dragon]

In 2025, Valve announced the upcoming Steam Frame headset, which applies a variation of the technique known as "foveated streaming" for wireless streaming from a PC to the headset; the method similarly uses variance in bit rate, and is performed at the encoder level rather than the software level

at the encoder level...

idk man we'll see

I don't care about VR anyway

I am very curious about AV2 however

[cinder karma]

if you don't care about vr why care about av3

2

[safe dragon]

cause I have a media server and better video codecs means I can store more stuff on the same amount of storage space

with how expensive storage has now become that is a lot more relevant than it once was

[hushed raven]

so does foveated mean eye tracker? theres fixed foveated rendering which is the same as all headsets do (right?) but the wording seems its more "high tech"?

[cinder karma]

my guess from just the defintion of "foveated" they track where u are looking so best resolution is limited to just small space

[safe dragon]

strictly speaking foveated just means varying the resolution of the image by area. In practice making the parts that are actually looked at higher resolution

[hushed raven]

hopefully the eye tracking can also be exposed further for other software at the same time

[safe dragon]

valve's version is definitely the eye tracking variety

same as most fancy new ones

[hushed raven]

I have a feeling it may make be feel a bit ill when using it, I can't image it not adding some latency

[crystal wren]

For the Frame, it's like foveated rendering, but adjusting the bitrate in parts of the image versus the rendering resolution.

So where you're looking gets the most bits, elsewhere not so much... so that (hopefully) wireless streaming is actually not terrible.

[safe dragon]

the idea is the same I suppose. Just reduce the amount of data used for the areas you don't really see very well

when will my TV track my eyes to maximize fidelity for the section of the television I am focused on

[hushed raven]

in my experience wireless streaming being terrible seems to be entirely centered around SteamVR itself, ALVR, WiVRn, etc I have had zero issues with wireless, no lag or dropped frames at all

[cinder karma]

what kinda timescales are they talking about

[safe dragon]

what do you mean

the goal here is that it's humanly imperceptible that they're doing this trick

[cinder karma]

like, how fast is the round-trip "track eyes -> send eye position -> update bitrate changes -> send data back"

how fast is this

[safe dragon]

idk, fast enough that a human can't tell

there's probably a paper on it somewhere

we shall see I suppose

I have my controller so the rest can burn it's ok

[crystal wren]

I don't have my email yet...

[cinder karma]

I;m not in the target population

[crystal wren]

This is my reservation confirmation email.

That's half a minute before reservations were meant to go live.

[safe dragon]

[cinder karma]

the rest can burn?

[safe dragon]

the VR headset and mini pc

I don't want em

[hushed raven]

the mini PC i'm not interested in, but I am interested in the headset, less because "ooo yes better experience" but more for the tech within

[safe dragon]

ok yes I am interested in the tech

tech is cool

[errant comet]

is mini pc something particular or just a small pc

[safe dragon]

especially when it's not ruined by 2 million patents

[safe dragon]

The steam machine is basically a pc that runs the same OS as the steam deck by default with some niceties built in to work well with the controller and VR headset

more intended to be connected to a TV than at a desk but fine at both

[hushed raven]

ye somewhat marketed as a console but with the full use of a PC behind it, roughly a modded xbox without the need to mod it

[safe dragon]

and my linux experience improves from it despite needing to do nothing

🙏

speaking of random linux things improving

the sway window manager just released HDR support

perhaps within a year or so I will actually have motivation to get an HDR capable display

[errant comet]

oh steam

I see

[weak obsidian]

W

[weak obsidian]

Ive never uses HDR before;(

[safe dragon]

me neither

I do have a bunch of HDR movies on my media server

but my TV is 17 years old so it does not support it

and my monitors don't either

supposedly my phone maybe does but idk if it does, it has never actually worked

google once offhand mentioned hdr support I think but it's not in any spec sheet

not like it matters much. An HDR experience on a tiny ass phone screen wouldn't really be an improvement anyway

[errant comet]

whats hdr

sounds like some disorder tbh 😭

[safe dragon]

HDR as a term is used for a lot of things but in this case it's essentially a technology for displays/video to display a wider range of different brightness values, colors, contrast etc

make the bright parts of a scene like in the sun actually look brighter and the dark parts look darker, perhaps even adjust based on the scene on screen at that moment

really "HDR" just means high dynamic range as opposed to SDR aka standard dynamic range

phones love to also use the term HDR for photography which in that case basically means a technique that allows you to take photos of a scene with both very bright sections and very dark sections without any of it being under or overexposed

[fleet wren]

if you have a modern flagship phone you can lookup "HDR emojis" and flashbang yourself

[safe dragon]

I don't so I'm safe

[crystal wren]

Discord still hasn't blessed us with HDR white backgrounds.

[safe dragon]

a shame

[errant comet]

a shame light theme bg still isnt FFFFFF

only fbfbfb

[hushed raven]

wtf internet??? whyyyyy

it could also be nexus, but that throttles at 1.5MB not 1 KB

[errant comet]

its nexus

hates me sometimes too

when I use some vpn for discord

[hushed raven]

I wish it would download stuff better, theres load of mod I want to download for other games and it just takes so so long

[cinder karma]

You're only allowed to play stardew

Just fyi

[hushed raven]

welp, sorry my library of 2k games, it has been declared I'm not allowed to play you XD

[little furnace]

Breaking news: Atra doesn't want other people to play Opus Magnum

[devout vault]

Not sure about for encoding, but in a game when positioning the camera for the headset, you absolutely need to do some predictive stuff based on a "seconds to photons" value. https://github.com/ValveSoftware/openvr/wiki/IVRSystem::GetDeviceToAbsoluteTrackingPose

I skipped that when I first started working on stardewVR, and I got motion sick pretty quickly without it.

[dusty pollen]

hm. you know discord I'm pretty sure that's not actually the current date

[steel kraken]

Ah yeah you get that if you do number of nanoseconds since 1970 instead of milliseconds, or Milliseconds instead of seconds

JS Date objects does milliseconds, so making it nanosecond get this exact behaviour

I do have a work system that does use nanosecond timestamps