programmers-off-topic

[safe dragon]

do they like, take recovery snapshots

[weak obsidian]

hah, you think we care about snapshots? its like saying you dont push to main in your company

and your .env along with it

stability is in the hands of the developer

jk yeah i didnt know u can snapshot sims tho

[safe dragon]

in theory I'm sure

[weak obsidian]

i took a live snapshot of windows 95

2 years ago

i resumed it this week, on the vm

[cinder karma]

We do have snapshots but I dont know if Elizabeth has them

[weak obsidian]

whos elizabeth

sorry im not big dev so i dont know much about the internals of stardew

[safe dragon]

occasional fixes

[weak obsidian]

oh

[cinder karma]

Elizabeth is a mechanical engineer. I'm an electrical engineer

When we talk sims we talk work sims

[weak obsidian]

dw i understand now

[weak obsidian]

wow ur too smart for me

[safe dragon]

I'm a software engineer

[weak obsidian]

yayy!

let's force GTK on all apps for linux by tomorrow

[safe dragon]

but I write software for electrical engineers does that count

[cinder karma]

I've never had an opinion on a file manager

[sand frost]

No haha

[safe dragon]

rough...

[cinder karma]

I also write software for hardware engineers!

[steel kraken]

windows explorer gets the job done

[sand frost]

They would crash either because they ran out of memory or because the simulation was bad or because the computer lost power

[cinder karma]

Windows is mad at me because i cant update to windows 11 so

Windows leaves i guess

[sand frost]

The simulations also aren’t valid if they don’t finish

Or at least not a complete data point

[cinder karma]

I can set up in memory checkpoints to restart but the sim machines are Big

[weak obsidian]

am i the only person who is a software engineer but sucks at math
i mean my title doesnt reflect my role at all, but i work with building software (native, like qt/gtk, no electron)
but its for new systems and legacy like windows 95...idk what that would be called, the title given to me is extremely generic

[weak obsidian]

i can update, i choose not to, I dont recommend, too many security vulnerabilities

[cinder karma]

And are like intel xeon

[weak obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-gif-12598976956267201998

[cinder karma]

Anyways my options are "install a Linux variant" or buy a new laptop

And I'm not buying a new laptop lol

[weak obsidian]

go with cachy os

or debian

if debian is somehow laggy on an i5

then go cachy

[steel kraken]

framework laptop 13 pro

[cinder karma]

It ran Ubuntu fine, Ubuntu just broke for other reasons

[weak obsidian]

hey, are you feeling generous today?
i bet you are!
feeling like mrbeast?
im sure you are!!
donate pls

[cinder karma]

Lol, bug they haven't fixed for a decade

[pliant snow]

I haven't tried Cachy, but I think it's a solid bet, or Endeavour

[weak obsidian]

endeavour os is a bit useless nowadays, i recommended it before cachy existed, cachy is endeavour os but more optimized and more desktop environments

i dont discredit them

but cachy came out and its a better alternative

[pliant snow]

endeavour is just vanilla arch with a nice installer, it's very close to what regular arch ships

[weak obsidian]

yeah

[cinder karma]

Crumble, I tried the Haskell tiling windows manager once when i was peer pressured into it

That lasted about three days before I gave up on memorizing keybinds lol

[weak obsidian]

http://nyarchlinux.moe/

here u go

[cinder karma]

xmonad

[pliant snow]

mmm

[cinder karma]

I wanted to be cool and I wasn't :(

[weak obsidian]

your cool dont worry

https://tenor.com/view/slamxt-xtrades-slam-slamcat-gif-24220080

[cinder karma]

Anyways can I sell you on pretty chemistry game :P

[weak obsidian]

whats that?

[cinder karma]

#programmers-off-topic message

[weak obsidian]

never

[cinder karma]

Opus. The game this channel was playing last week

[weak obsidian]

i dont understand it

factorio already hurts my brain

https://tenor.com/view/factorio-we-do-a-little-throughput-loaders-transport-belt-gif-23235553

ive also failed science

and almost math one time

[little furnace]

Factorio is much more complicated. I think. At least of you want to optimize everything.

[weak obsidian]

yeah, it is

showed my project to a friend with 800 hours in it, they hated me

i had all these hands sending items to another hand, to another hand

and another hand, that went back, went forward

and finally made it to a machine, 0 conveyer belts

is that good? nope

did i do it anyways? yes
did i learn from my mistakes? no

[cinder karma]

I've never played factorial

[little furnace]

I feel like you will like Opus. You just need to find solutions, optimizing them is optional.

[cinder karma]

It also eases you in

I'm in the post game doing post game puzzles now

[weak obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-gif-25783770

[prisma flume]

i'm a big fan of opus. truly amazing compression ratio. very convenient format

[cinder karma]

....can I sell you on pretty chemistry game?

[pliant snow]

i legit need to decide on an audio format to standardize all my stuff to

[weak obsidian]

flac/opus

[pliant snow]

idk if I've ever seen a .opus file ever

[cinder karma]

.wav

.mp3

CDs stacked behind ur bed

[pliant snow]

i think all my music is either .mp3 or, if they were feeling fancy, .m4a

[worn remnant]

afaik opus files still use the .ogg container format (also used for vorbis, of course), so maybe you've seen them but not known?

[pliant snow]

i also feel like i only see .ogg files as part of like video games, never for random audio

oh yeah .ogg is the container

[worn remnant]

there's also that. especially now that the mp3 patents have expired, mp3 is Good Enough for most things imo and basically universal, like .zip

[pliant snow]

maybe all my m4a files are actually opus, who knows

nah they AAC, of course

[prisma flume]

it's an audio format but not necessarily a file format

[steel kraken]

if you have used teamspeak or discord for voice chat, you have used opus

[cinder karma]

I dub yee godawful but solved

I'm seriously considering ||sacrificing one input to make a permanent quicksilver generator||

mvp is the ||hex arm in the botton, for handling all the quicksilver AND the second product||

[cinder karma]

legitimately the worst. I'm actively screaming

[fleet wren]

I LOVE PRODUCTION PUZZLES!

signing off the night with a relatively uncursed puzzle by comparison

[dusty pollen]

production puzzles are a nightmare while solving but such a joy once you're done

[cinder karma]

I think half my instructions are the last bond

[cinder karma]

Permanent quicksilver generator would require glyphs i do not have :(

[hushed raven]

The resonant crystal is beautiful

[cinder karma]

Just a little wiggling and then suddenly! Product!

[lethal walrus]

I love when my computer randomly decides video output isn't for it so I have to force shutdown
And now on reboot why is the kubuntu loading screen just text and concerningly long

Oh finally

I really need to fix my lock screen

Oh I can't sign into x11 anymore

Oh wayland isn't broken now so that's fine actually

[prisma flume]

haha linux user no video output technical issue

should use Windows 11 and enjoy video output technical issues instead

[lethal walrus]

😔

ive never had that issue before and i have no idea when it happened bc i havent been on desktop for like 20 hours

[prisma flume]

my intel discrete gpu laptop loses its hdmi video output to the monitor whenever a video is playing. my nvidia discrete gpu pc loses its dp video output to the monitor whenever a uwp application is onscreen with hardware acceleration or just some embedded video blob in certain programs like steam

i haven't got a single clue why

the only common denominator is a dell s3221qs monitor for both devices

[lethal walrus]

wtf

[cinder karma]

Windows 11 or nah

[prisma flume]

both win11

[cinder karma]

That's hilarious

[prisma flume]

recent issue too, the pc started in the last year

[cinder karma]

Gooood morning

Are u also Framework shrill

Also at this point in my life I think I will make all my furniture in the future

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #7955 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1496868293204643841)

[sand frost]

I feel like upholstering is not a skill I am very good at

Also wood is so expensive

[cinder karma]

I can learn!

I'm just very tired of particle board

[sand frost]

That’s fair

A lot of my furniture is wood but cheap varieties

[cinder karma]

Same and I hate it

[hushed raven]

Upholstery is a suprisingly easy skill, I thought it was one of the skills that you have to be a savant and spend decades learning because being able to even think about it but apparently not

[cinder karma]

It's really patience and staples

[hushed raven]

It's truly a metric ton of staples, very useful to have a magnet nearby so you don't stand on them when taking them out

[cinder karma]

Also I haven't done a couch so

[pliant snow]

Isnt kde removing x11 support?

[sand frost]

Yeah, couch is the one I was thinking would be tough to do

Particularly because the furniture I buy myself is heavy af

and I need to be able to move a couch

[lethal walrus]

🤷
just previously if i signed into wayland immediately, things would break

so i had to sign into x11 (which was also broken), then sign out and sign back into wayland

[pliant snow]

what

[lethal walrus]

yep

[weak obsidian]

When KDE Plasma 6.8 releases, all support for x11 will be dropped. The expected release of 6.8 is in October of 2026

[weak obsidian]

What OS?

This is not normal behavior

..well, this is very expected behavior if your on arch

shouldn't happen to debian/ubuntu, it could hit fedora, but thats not as common as arch

sometimes packages get funky cause of how bleeding edge they are and soemtimes devs push without really testing

[lethal walrus]

Kubuntu

[weak obsidian]

That's extremely bizzare

[pliant snow]

this feels like anti-arch propaganda

[weak obsidian]

no it isnt

i use cachy os on my laptop

just havent heard of x11 and wayland dying randomly before

[weak obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/sudo-rm-rf-linux-bruh-chungus-poggers-gif-19024993

[devout vault]

roblox jumpscare

I recognize those plastic-y "trees" anywhere

[fleet wren]

found this and got reminded of casey (well except for the touhou part, I think)
https://www.sporcle.com/games/SomethingInWorl/kirby-song-or-yuri-title-or-touhou-song

[devout vault]

oh, another layer to

I know nothing about touhou

Except of course the thing that gets put everywhere (Bad Apple)

[cinder karma]

Bad Apple?

What about Good Apple

[fleet wren]

hmm honeycrisp

[safe dragon]

idk I'm allergic

or technically I just have hay fever and my body is apparently stupid and thinks the apple is actually a concentrated dose of tree pollen

heating it up or just processing it at all fixes it

[sand frost]

my college roommate had that

she used to boil apples

[safe dragon]

damn

weirdly I barely suffer from hay fever but apples hit me

my hay fever seems to solely be affected by birch trees

[sand frost]

I get pretty bad hay fever, but extremely mild pollen crossover to food

Mostly it's celery, interestingly

[safe dragon]

unfortunately that's exactly the type of pollen that's the problem with apples, cherries and a bunch of other fruits

[sand frost]

Celery is...not spicy, I know, but it tastes spicy to me now (didn't used to)

[safe dragon]

lmao

[sand frost]

I might have the fruits mildly, but I pretend I do not see it because I love fruit

[safe dragon]

In small doses apple just makes my throat feel kinda messed up

before I knew I had that I thought that was just how apples were

[sand frost]

like how pineapples eat you back

[safe dragon]

then one day I consumed an unholy amount of cherries in 1 sitting and that really fucked me up, took weeks to fully feel normal again

[safe dragon]

understandable

[sand frost]

aw man, that sucksss

my husband loves cherries and keeps asking me when they'll be in season

i've pointed out that literally the cherry trees are blooming right now here

[safe dragon]

they are

[tranquil grove]

160/300, I feel like it's cheating to include ||touhou fanfiction|| in the ||yuri category|| /lh

[devout vault]

I feel like fanfiction would be cheating in this context, yeah

[tranquil grove]

I think it was just one, but there were so many titles I might've lost track

[devout vault]

frantically making that edit so that I don't get eviscerated by like 3/4 of the server if it gets quoted pre-edit

[tranquil grove]

(I didn't parse the pre-edit anyway)

also ig the stats agree, the one I complained about had the lowest hit rate at 12.5%

[weak obsidian]

Bruh

i made an account to start migrating my translation out of my mod directly

and hosting translations there

seems Nexus gave me a pretty harsh punishment for doing a good thing :/

so i cannot edit mods upload or do anything

this is just dumb

[lethal walrus]

nexus makes it pretty clear you aren't allowed alts

why would you want to migrate the mods out of the mod anyway when you still own it

[weak obsidian]

This is the first time I'm hearing about it!

[weak obsidian]

Most of them are submitted by other user(s)

which I credited

[lethal walrus]

this is why you read the TOS that you agree to

[weak obsidian]

it became too hard for them and me to wait for all translations to be completed befoer an update

so to give them freedom

[lethal walrus]

One Account per User
The efficiency of our moderation approach and moderation tools is dependent on the principle of each user being linked to a single account. It is therefore forbidden to register or use more than a single account per user without pre-approval by staff. Users with multiple accounts may have one or all of their accounts suspended. In the event of alternative accounts being used to evade a ban or restrictions on a main account, all accounts belonging to the offending user are subject to suspension (i.e. a ban) and any (pending) unban appeals are forfeit.
https://help.nexusmods.com/article/27-moderation-policy#One_Account

[weak obsidian]

Yeah, I see that now

I dont need to be reminded

[lethal walrus]

so why not just have them upload them

[weak obsidian]

At the time when I just started modding

I did not know that existed

give me a break will you

i did the best at what i knew and now i know

[terse galleon]

i wonder how they primarily detect alts. like is it IP address or

[lethal walrus]

ip, usernames obviously connecting

[safe dragon]

they can smell it

[weak obsidian]

I made it pretty clear to them lol

"This is an official account owned by LucyTheDove for translations" as the bio for that account

I don't think that could have been any better way to get someone moderated lol (I did not know at the time of doing this that it wasn't allowed)

@devout trellis

[devout vault]

@grave onyx

(you pinged the currently unconscious bouncer)

(as per #bulletin-board )

[weak obsidian]

oh.

LOL sorry

i didnt know bouncer was a cat

i love cats 😄

[grave onyx]

🫡

[weak obsidian]

you look like meowl

cause of how the cat is positioned

[grave onyx]

who is that?

[weak obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/meowl-cat-silly-im-a-new-soul-talking-cat-gif-14624476558554492931

the meme, meowl

cat + owl

[grave onyx]

ah

i see the resemblance

but it's the wrong bird

[weak obsidian]

yes

[grave onyx]

this is a pat

[safe dragon]

imagine being an owl

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/hooty-smug-funny-the-owl-house-gif-26935985

^ every owl in my brain

[weak obsidian]

whos pat

[terse galleon]

penguin cat

[weak obsidian]

oohhh

[weak obsidian]

and ur tomoatos?

tomato, tomauhtoe

[terse galleon]

i’m unknowable

[devout vault]

Sure wish I knew who it was sending these mysterious messages

I just don't know

[weak obsidian]

the ghost of christmas past...

or future

[safe dragon]

or present

merry christmas

[weak obsidian]

and happy new year!!

[cinder karma]

Gooood morning

-# third favorite pie?

[weak obsidian]

Pecan pie

Second is apple pie

First is blueberry pie

[terse galleon]

does shepherd’s pie count

[devout vault]

I can't believe Xander is no longer bouncy

@ Xander make sure to jump off any long distances without fall damage mitigation anymore

[cinder karma]

How r u

[prisma flume]

well considering fruit is generally a development of pollinated flowers im gonna say ur body is smarter than you and should be given a turn at driving

[cinder karma]

A 4 runner nearly drove me off the road today lol

[sand frost]

i hope they have permanently soggy socks, that's awful

[cinder karma]

I don't even drive a small car but I guess they didnt see me?

[little furnace]

What exactly is a pie and how is it different to a cake?

[cinder karma]

The butter crust

[little furnace]

Like German cheesecake?

I actually have no idea whether that has a butter crust.

[cinder karma]

I need to Google this

A pie in America is like. Has a flaky crust and filling

Like thos

https://tenor.com/view/apple-pie-pie-pie-day-ice-cream-yummy-gif-17764039

[little furnace]

I don't think I know that.

[prisma flume]

by butter crust do you mean short crust

as in, crust made with shortening

or is this something entirely different

[cinder karma]

U may use shortening but I will disown u

[prisma flume]

wow ok

[prisma flume]

also bizarre that my unupdated laptop firefox doesn't do the irritating youtube 'experiencing interruptions' loop but my pc firefox does, even though both use ublock origin

maybe it's umatrix causing it

[lethal walrus]

another fun issue i have now

my wifi disconnects multiple times an hour now

instead of a couple times a day at most

[cinder karma]

Y'all arent selling Linux very eell

[lethal walrus]

i had to mess with things so much to try to make hidden networks work so im blaming all my other wifi issues on that

-# i did not resolve it

[prisma flume]

surprisingly the ancient mint box running on an eeemachine from windows xp era connected to my wifi with absolutely zero issues

i suggest downgrading to the latest version of 32-bit mint

[lethal walrus]

i have just updated to ubuntu 25

and it got worse so uh

hm

[prisma flume]

my wifi extender does often decide to just not connect to the internet sometimes and it sometimes only changes its mind when i open The App

[pliant snow]

the never obsolete machine?

[prisma flume]

nono not emachines. eee PC

[lethal walrus]

a bit of solice is that its almost 100% consistent on ethernet.. but i also can't tether ethernet from my phone and charge it at the same time, and there's a ceiling in the way to use a wire to the router

[pliant snow]

also didn't ubuntu 26.04 come out literally today

[prisma flume]

more specifically an Eee Box

[pliant snow]

disappointing

[prisma flume]

i too confused the two

[lethal walrus]

i think so

[prisma flume]

maybe it'll get even worse if you update again. try

[lethal walrus]

[pliant snow]

I don't think I ever once upgraded ubuntu and something didn't break

[cinder karma]

It's april?

[worn remnant]

not for long

[cinder karma]

May the first be with u

I'm watching a YouTube channel on dead companies and damn

So many companies I forgot about

[weak obsidian]

@lethal walrus Sorry for earlier, i was just extremely frustrated

very frustrated and a bit saddened, though Im okay now : )

https://tenor.com/view/cat-flop-flopping-rotate-rotating-gif-4925774148619450231

[weak obsidian]

I got an issue with my wifi card on Linux for my desktop pc

its signal on windows is great, on linux, 30%, drops to 0, then disconnects for a few minutes, decides to reconnect, and dies

it worked once i upgraded to ethernet

[weak obsidian]

Nokia

[little furnace]

Nokia still exists.

[sand frost]

This is fundamentally why I don’t have Linux

[little furnace]

The big issue is that due to fragmentation (which is not a bad thing) there are so many different systems, some which are designed to work out of the box for most setups, some which are made for people who love tinkering and as such aren't maintained in a way to support every single use-case and hardware without issues.

And because of the different systems and solutions software and drivers is also very fragmented, and... well, in summery, while many distributions are much easier to use nowadays than 10 years ago, the issue remains that things might break on your setup under specific circumstances and so far fixing these specific things is harder simply because the entire Linux tech support community is small and mostly by nerds for nerds. Meanwhile, Windows tech support, while the errors might be weirder and less logical, the tech support community is much more orientated towards everyday users who only know the difference between left-click and right-click.

[cinder karma]

They dont know the difference between left and right click

How goes lectures?

Still at 8am?

[prisma flume]

have i been selling windows 11 particularly well

augh i need a new and expensive chair

[devout vault]

Didn't realize windows 11 made people need new chairs

I thought that was just Mozart liking to scratch up mine

[prisma flume]

you wouldn't expect it would be such a pain in the ass

[cinder karma]

U have standing desk

[prisma flume]

i also have sitting desk. mixing both is best

[weak obsidian]

I wouldn't sell windows 11 if you gave me the world

[cinder karma]

What about lying desk

Kneeling desk

[hardy jewel]

kneeling desk is best

[cinder karma]

Eagle pose desk

[hardy jewel]

.img kneeling desk stool

[heavy dagger]

https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/34198d06-56a1-4296-a2a2-36e596be6de9.a377791859401749b38d238de9d50eec.jpeg?odnHeight=768&odnWidth=768&odnBg=FFFFFF

[devout vault]

T posing desk

[prisma flume]

.img ローテーブル

[heavy dagger]

https://img.furusato-tax.jp/img/x/stg/product/detail/details/20240624/spdd_0180190c05af7401ada070b2cafb1059ca5c1346.jpg

[cinder karma]

Elizabeth is a mac lol

[prisma flume]

i need something this size

[cinder karma]

Like literally a mac

[hardy jewel]

why did u type coffee table in katakana

we have coffee tables too

[prisma flume]

i was hoping it'd give one of those traditional writing desks that's basically that but in a chinese style

[cinder karma]

U must get a kimono

[prisma flume]

where you can get the ridiculous modern-style matching chairs but without legs

https://hidasangyo.com/cms/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/JP350wp_1170.jpg

[cinder karma]

Oriental Furniture Warehouse Oriental Red Desk Lacquer Chinese Landscape Painting For Office 40'' H - Asian Furniture Chinese, Japanese, Korean, TIbetan https://share.google/CDJYZLGxZvoI3GxSq

[prisma flume]

legless chair

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7959 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1497051224544120852)

[little furnace]

Every Thursday, yes. I had to get up 21 hours ago. Don't ask me why I'm not asleep yet.

[weak obsidian]

Are desks and chairs the new thing

[sand frost]

Lmao I hate windows but engineering software mostly runs on it so I must abide

[sand frost]

I’m a giant hamburger yes

I have used macOS since I first learned computers

I used windows only sporadically and at school until high school (when Solidworks forced me to use windows)

[cinder karma]

The new thing is desks yes

[steel kraken]

my condolances

[sand frost]

Idk it’s definitely my favorite rn

Could always change if they make it worse

But look at the competition…

[devout vault]

The fun part is they can still make it worse as long as they don't make it worse than the competition!

The doubley fun part is some of the competition is actively making themself worse, which gives more worse-ness to work with!

(I don't use my mac enough to know if they are enshittifying any, besides the ever present making it difficult to run apps that don't go through them)

[cinder karma]

I'm considering mac life but change is hard

today's opus

i like how the little air bit is built

[cinder karma]

one more, and a random min cost for good measure

[little furnace]

I can't recommend it because the changes are big and there is not much you can do as for configuration without third-party tools, many of which are paid.

That's at least my experience.

[cinder karma]

Otoh I check email, so.

[little furnace]

It's the little things. For example, there isn't a "maximize" button, instead it's either "fullscreen" or "zoom". "Fullscreen" (the button you would assume is maximize) hides the dock (the taskbar replacement), so multi-tasking becomes more difficult. "Zoom" happens by double-clicking the title bar, which resizes the window to fill the screen as much as possible, but still leaves a few gaps because of macOS rounded corners (see image, the dock is only in the middle and I find the desktop wallpaper at the sides really distracting).
In order to change the green buttom to "zoom" instead of enabling "fullscreen", you need to use a third-party app that barely works half the time.

But for people who are used to macOS it works. And I don't want to discourage anyone from trying it (if you can do that for free, paying 600$ for a system you might not like is something I actually discourage).

[cinder karma]

Why...

I see my former school has taken the blue pill

[cinder karma]

My mom uses mac. My dad did for a while, i think they may have an old one floating around i can take.

[rain apex]

What does any of this mean

[lethal walrus]

robots pay other robots in crypto pegged to a normal currency

[cinder karma]

Ur AI agent can blow all your money on concert tickets for u with stablecoin

I legitimately...why would u want thsi?

[prisma flume]

imagine for a moment you have all this money and all these agents and you just don't know what to do with them all

[cinder karma]

Why would I want the agent to spend the money I've spent a lifetime saving?

I want to hit the buy button myself :(

[weak obsidian]

It's far more limited

the Macbook Neo is a realistic way to learn Apple, and see if it's the life for you

If you're a student, its $500

[safe dragon]

atra is definitely still a student

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7962 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1497243644732772443)

[rain apex]

The only good thing i have to say about mac is that it's unix adjacent

[safe dragon]

better terminal experience...

I've still never in my life tried out a mac. My only comparison is an ipad pro which I absolutely loathe with every fiber of my being

[marble jewel]

I'm thinking about getting into the world of alternative keyboard layouts because apparently I enjoy pain. Does anyone else have experience with them?

[safe dragon]

it's the one step I've never been brave enough to take

[devout vault]

Have you considered just learning sign language and some sort of sign-language-OCR? That sounds less painful

[safe dragon]

unless you count having a split keyboard with symbol layer as an alternative layout

but I assume you mean like Workman or Colemak

[devout vault]

I've been wanting to try and come up with something similar.

[marble jewel]

I'm playing around with some of them here, didn't realize there were so many options:
https://sites.google.com/view/keyboards/tools/alphatestdrive_glove80?authuser=0

[devout vault]

A way of typing in VR that is as immensely painful as a virtual QWERTY keyboard

One that you have to point and click, or move your whole hand to press keys

[safe dragon]

workman, colemak and dvorak are the most popular alternatives I think

[devout vault]

It's awful

[safe dragon]

once upon a time I dreamt about knowing sign langauge cause it sounded cool

was very fleeting after I realized how much effort that takes

[marble jewel]

This seems so wrong to me. Having R on your thumb, wtf.

[cinder karma]

I tried Dvorak but I'm old now

Look yhe future is here we talk to agents now we dont type

I know Dvorak is better but like

Typing is not the slow point for me, I'm fast enough at vim

[steel kraken]

Any theoretical saving from Dvorak is lost when you have to switch back and forth between it and qwerty

[devout vault]

dang, didn't know there were enchanted keyboard layouts

[cinder karma]

Also how do u play wasd games on non qwerty (jk)

[marble jewel]

The theory is that it's easier to train your brain to associate a new layout to a new keyboard (which is my case is ortho/split) and still be able to switch back to QWERTY on a laptop

[devout vault]

You may be jk, but that is a legit problem with some game implementations

[cinder karma]

Matt, I cant reliable tell anyone my passwords, all my password info is just simply in my muscle memory

[safe dragon]

I do still type just fine on a regular qwerty keyboard desipte growing used to split keyboards but that's a smaller change than a different layout

[devout vault]

If a game properly uses scancodes, it'll use the keys at that same physical location

[marble jewel]

Even though I've already developed the split kbd muscle memory, I think I can still reassociate myself given enough training

[devout vault]

If they don't? Well, good luck. Especially if the keys aren't rebindable

[cinder karma]

If I get a stroke I'll be in Trouble TM, not sure how i could even get in a bank account

[cinder karma]

Be proud that I even know what a wasd is

[safe dragon]

I'd probably set the layout in my keyboard's firmware and keep the OS on qwerty

[marble jewel]

Even though this layout seems so drastically different, I'm kind of interested just for the stats. Not to mention if I'm going to go different, I may as well go all out https://sunaku.github.io/enthium-keyboard-layout.html

[cinder karma]

Ah yes

Famous video game, Kpop Demon Hunters from Netflix

[safe dragon]

only real gamers play kpop demon hunters

[cinder karma]

What's a real gamer anyways

[safe dragon]

whatever makes me feel like I'm in a cool niche club

[cinder karma]

I don't want to be in this club I think

[devout vault]

Gamer is just a shortcut spelling for gay merperson

Obviously

[errant comet]

murrperson

[marble jewel]

I also just flashed my keyboard to this, which I'm trying to learn as well. It's surprisingly close to the one I was already using, but swaps it's HRM ctrl and shift compared to my layout: https://my.moergo.com/go60/#/layout/user/040f9725-195b-4331-b6a3-6629f8dfda0a

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7965 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1497285547826221126)

[devout vault]

Atra did you really quote "Obviously" and not the message that it was supposed to be for

smh

I separate the two as perfect quote bait, you the wrong message is quoted

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by crumblestiltskin as #7966 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1497285535604015105)

[cinder karma]

Oops

Sooo

Also just to be on topic for a second

You || cant rebind in the shooting minigame in stardew right ||

[little furnace]

Unfortunately most of them have the vowels next to each other. On touch keyboards with autocorrect having them spread far is much better, because if you mistype it's easier for autocorrect to guess when you hit a consonant instead of a vowel instead of if you hit another vowel.

[steel kraken]

[REDACTED]

[marble jewel]

Nobody said it was easy. No one ever said it would be so hard.
https://my.moergo.com/go60/#/layout/user/637c9b53-880a-47e8-9629-ce51168827bc

[dusty pollen]

what on earth is that layout

I have never understood the desire to have FEWER keys. I want a 1000% keyboard

literally give me ten rows of modifiers and special buttons

like that one guy from linus tech tips

[marble jewel]

I mean... with layers I have more keys than the average keyboard

Wishing I could have a movie training montage, and skip the actual work

[safe dragon]

good luck

[lethal walrus]

i should really set some dns records on my domains to tailscale things

i am fighting with coolify and ports again 😔

[marble jewel]

If it's for private services you can just use MagicDNS

[lethal walrus]

sure but thingy.strange-dinosaur.ts.net is a bit more confusing than thingy.ts.pillow.rocks

[marble jewel]

You can combo with https://github.com/tailscale/golink to do go/thingy

[lethal walrus]

ooo

[safe dragon]

you don't need custom dns records if you're using tailscale do you?

I mean you could

[marble jewel]

Well you can reverse proxy from one node to another using your tailscale IP

[safe dragon]

for my home server stuff I just use the machine names access them

[lethal walrus]

i dont need it sure, but its easier

[marble jewel]

I'm making heavy use of Tailscale Services ever since they launched that feature (not to be confused with funnel). All of my apps have a app-name.my-tailnet.ts.net address.

[safe dragon]

like http://bubo-home:8096 is jellyfin

don't hack me by going there

[safe dragon]

didn't even know that was a thing

[marble jewel]

It pairs very nicely with https://github.com/marvinvr/docktail

[safe dragon]

it truly can always be prettier

[lethal walrus]

ooooo

[lethal walrus]

i do forget hostnames work

[safe dragon]

I'm too lazy to use this but it seems very neat

[marble jewel]

For example, here's what I add to a compose.yaml file to basically make Tailscale my reverse proxy

labels:
  docktail.service.enable: "true"
  docktail.service.name: manyfold
  docktail.service.port: "3214"
  docktail.service.service-port: "443"

It automatically get's a cert for https://manyfold.my-tailnet.ts.net and routes to the manyfold:3214 without me having to expose the port at all

[safe dragon]

that's really nice

[lethal walrus]

oo

[safe dragon]

sigh another thing to do when I have time

I do run basically my entire media server in a big docker container as is already

why is tailscale free anyway I should really be paying for this

[lethal walrus]

it is when you do more with it

or want to have mullvad as your exit node, but that costs the same as a mullvad subscription so i dont know if tailscale actually makes anything from that

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7967 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1497340689317495039)

[safe dragon]

I won't complain

my entire media server stack is already being routed through my vpn so no gains there

[pliant snow]

I have a custom domain name for my tailscale services. It took me a while to figure out, but now they work with devices on my network, as well as on devices off my network via tailscale

[lethal walrus]

FINALLY IT DOES THE THING

now i can report the c2 domains much easier

[pliant snow]

Remembering ports? Madness. I got my own subdomains everywhere

[lethal walrus]

id set it up in nginx with a odmain except i dont want it to be public

[pliant snow]

what would be public?

[lethal walrus]

the http server im running here

not really an issue to be public tbh but eh

oh wait i can just

make nginx listen for a tailscale domain can't i

[pliant snow]

I'm watching with interest but I'm almost certain there's a simpler way to do this

[lethal walrus]

probably

oh well its good enough for now

[cinder karma]

How does the disposal glyph work anyways....

Am I destroying matter

[fleet wren]

my headcanon is it gets turned into waste output

[cinder karma]

Secretly behind the scenes it's a waste chain?

[weak obsidian]

secure and ai in the same sentence

while it can be secure, most times its not

[weak obsidian]

Ooooo

is that Zen Browser?

[weak obsidian]

Absolutely beautiful to see

I try to match 1:1 for my tests

[lethal walrus]

It is zen

[weak obsidian]

my eyes didnt deceive me yay

..

shouldnt you be asleep

its 2 am, 2 am gang yay

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-gif-12598976956267201998

[cyan shadow]

I am taking notes

[cinder karma]

ahhhh

[cinder karma]

this one took a while

I still think quint is the worse with glphs ngl

look at that ugly attempts at moving things

[fleet wren]

yeah the quintessence glyph's inputs is rather awkward

[cinder karma]

noticed selph was faster than me on this one.

[fleet wren]

duplicating the copper to split to 2 tins is genius

my solution

[dusty pollen]

I feel like a lot of the dlc is just basic maths of which route will turn this metal into that metal most efficiently

which is fine ig but makes puzzles feel a lot more repetitive

in a way, adding in the "missing" operations on metals to complement the ones that were already there kind of just makes you work around fewer things

[cinder karma]

my options for city council are three people who I can get zero information on

one didn

one didn't even put up a webpage

[little furnace]

Is one a cat?

[cinder karma]

how do we vote on people who haven't even bothered to fill out the ballotpedia questionaire, put up a webpage, or talk to the local news outlet smh

[dusty pollen]

sounds like a gap in the market

[cinder karma]

also I've been doing min area and min cost too lately so

wheee

[long verge]

almost finished

[dusty pollen]

if this is a journal puzzle then my 80/24/10 is probably a single solution

ah it's dlc and I have two solutions, 80/50/10 and 190/24/64

lmao selph's solution is probably exactly the same as my first solution

(this is the second solution)

[cinder karma]

nice!

mine's much more brute force

[dusty pollen]

I don't see where I can shave off a cycle

...arm 4 isn't even doing anything

[safe dragon]

it's having fun

[dusty pollen]

oh I have one idea for reducing it maybe

[little furnace]

The only thing I can see is changing the order of operations.

[dusty pollen]

yup

the solution

(||by swapping it from being 1 iron 1 tin 1 lead each to being 2 tin 2 lead from the first one and 2 iron from the second one, you're essentially giving the iron and tin (which take slightly longer to do) a very slight head start||)

[weak obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-autism-creature-gif-4638892681097271860

[cinder karma]

I've got wheels at home, thanks.

Realistically before the introduction of the ||halt|| command you'd probably do some pipelining so the first one becomes the catalyst for the second, etc

But why bother with figuring that out when you can just sacrifice the first input and make yourself a nice wheel

[cinder karma]

the sinking feeling when your solve would be so much better if you just mirrored it but there's not like a command for that

(it's not faster but there's a lot less stupid moves)

[prime star]

i always see yall posting about this doohickey game

[dusty pollen]

"understanding this pattern may require learning about the language you're using" doesn't seem like as good a point as this article seems to think it is...

[safe dragon]

idk man that disqualifies almost every Python user I've encountered

[steel kraken]

To be fair that's also just a negative about python in general with how much it relies on magic conventions like that

[dusty pollen]

yeah I do agree, but also _new_ is one of the most basic ones

[cinder karma]

There's not really a difference though

That said __new__() is barely used, __init__ is the common one

Singletons, iirc, arent actually better than just having an instance in a module lol

[dusty pollen]

yeah but it's not exactly arcane knowledge. I'm not asking for people to know about init_subclass

[dusty pollen]

okay quick question, in python code, do you prefer:

a "static" class using all classmethods
a "singleton" without any enforcement
a "singleton pattern" singleton
something else

[steel kraken]

I can't remember in python specifically because it's been over a decade since I've done enough python that was large enough to need any patterns, but in JS I do the export of the pre instantiated instance for singleton pattern

[cinder karma]

I sure use the "hey there's an instance in this module" more often than not

[cinder karma]

we have wheels at home is sure a top tier strat

[dusty pollen]

you could do it before the halt instruction, btw

I used it once before you put the arm on a track to move it out of the way, and then the instruction to move it out of the way does nothing because it's already at the end of the track so it just harmlessly moves around

[cinder karma]

I really like the strategy of duplicating a higher value metal and then dividing it down

It means the whole left side can be quite leisurely and still deliver all the metal I need

(Because there are three in a monomer, it does need to make two monomers per tape loop but that's okay)

[slim mantle]

This is so damn satisfying to watch and I don't even have a clue about what it is 😔🔥🔥

[long verge]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/558990/Opus_Magnum/ it's this

Steam

Opus Magnum

“It is not an exaggeration to say that without alchemical engineering, civilization would not exist.”

Hailed as the most promising alchemist of his generation, Anataeus Vaya has just accepted a position as Head Alchemist of House Van Tassen, the oldest and richest of the city’s ancient Houses. But dangers lurk behind the family’s opulent…

Price

$19.99

Recommendations

5588

Metacritic

90

[heavy dagger]

Title result: Opus Magnum on Steam

[errant comet]

20$ 😭

[tropic tiger]

this is like the one zachtronics game that doesn't have you spend more than an hour on every level

[dusty pollen]

I have definitely spent more than an hour on some opus magnum levels

[cinder karma]

Some of the journal ones are Hard TM

[weak obsidian]

Fanta, Sunkist, or Crush?

This. is the question.

[hushed raven]

@ atra, did over 5k but in that time I also forgot what game I wanted you to play so I'm banking my atragaming point XD

[weak obsidian]

making explicit fsm

hurt my brain

the person didnt even have a proper flag based state machine, which i dont recommend even having for an app

flag based is scary in desktop apps, i wouldnt have one near my code

unless its just super small and for a very simple, non crucial aspect of said app

even then..idk

[little furnace]

I only know Fanta and it tastes bad.

I only trust unfiltered, cloudy soda.

[weak obsidian]

hmm

opinion rejected

i love my yellow 6 and red 40

[weak obsidian]

Crush is the more flat one thats mostly just sugary sweet

sunkist is my fav, its same level of sweetness but it has stronger flavor

not much of a kick tho

fanta isnt as good as sunkists taste

but its still good, it has a kick

all of this is an opinion of the orange, results my vary

yes, this is relating to programming

-inserts ladder logic for the PLC-

[little furnace]

My soda should only taste slightly sweet, but more importantly a bit bitter and sour.

[cyan shadow]

Idk if you get Something and Nothing where you are, but their yuzu soda might satisfy that requirement for you

I also like wostok's blueberry and sage

[lethal walrus]

i dont think we have sunkist or crush here

and our fanta is different

[cyan shadow]

I discovered when I moved here that Dutch fanta is an abomination

My favourite fanta so far has been Italian fanta

[lethal walrus]

there's.. more than two types??

[cyan shadow]

It's yellow and barely tastes like anything

[lethal walrus]

oh italian fanta has the curvy logo

[cyan shadow]

Blood orange fanta my beloved

[lethal walrus]

dont think ive had that one

im pretty sure i've seen enderflower but then didnt bother getting it

[cyan shadow]

The Indian fanta isn't great either, mind you

It's got 13.6g of sugar and 22.3g of sodium in it, an exposé done recently revealed this is significantly higher than Malaysian fanta

Idk why malay fanta was the reference point but it did explain why that shit was so sweet

[weak obsidian]

oo

[lethal walrus]

oh that is very different

[weak obsidian]

i think i had a drink once with over 60 grams of sugar

[cyan shadow]

How zoomy were you after

[weak obsidian]

didnt effect me lol

the most sugar ive consumed in a day...220 grams?

[lethal walrus]

why is it green (and why did i duckduckgo indian fanta and get a dutch result?)

[cyan shadow]

Why does the Indian one look like a forensic evidence photo 😭😭😭

[weak obsidian]

i dont recommend that

[lethal walrus]

i guess theyre trying to get a photo of it on a plain background but it does look a bit incriminating

[weak obsidian]

that was a one time thing

[weak obsidian]

youve been watching too many true crime documentariessss

[cyan shadow]

Met sinaasappelsap my ass

[cyan shadow]

More like I've watched an actual murder trial

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by p.llow as #7969 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1498047415415083229)

[lethal walrus]

the uber right click button doesnt exist :(

[cyan shadow]

Cyanide poisoning. Think he got away on a technicality because the cops fucked up marking the evidence

[cyan shadow]

Aw c'mon it wasn't that funny

[lethal walrus]

fair but imagine someone doing .q and getting that out of context

[weak obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-autism-creature-gif-4638892681097271860

[errant comet]

yippe

[cyan shadow]

(Note: I don't know what the final outcome was. I didn't know the docket number so I couldn't look it up later. Pretty sure that if he did get a guilty verdict though, he'd have appealed. Maybe I can find the case on the high court case search, idk.)

[little furnace]

Huh. Never heard of it, but I will see whether I can find it. Thank you.

Replying didn't work the first time.

[safe dragon]

wtf is dolby's audio codec

it's huge

I have an hevc encoded film that was still 11 GB so I looked why and there's 2 audio streams that are DTS-HD which are 4 GB each

they both individually take up more space than the entire video stream

[little furnace]

I think it's because it stores different tracks as vectors in a three-dimensional space.

[safe dragon]

I have no idea why that would make sense but I fully accept it as truth

[little furnace]

For Atmos playback on any calibrated configuration of speakers. You could reduce the size by baking in a specific configuration, but then you could only use these speakers at exactly these positions.

[safe dragon]

very cool but also very useless for me with a pair of headphones

[prisma flume]

it was hindicted

[safe dragon]

[weak obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-hello-chat-chat-caseoh-roll-up-gif-7804955315425908227

[sand frost]

Never heard of it either but coincidentally saw it at the store today!

[cinder karma]

But ehat aboit the best soda

https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kmzlAh2RN01pf5uiXtuBdLi0kgp6zEmOc&si=_6lHmu18Po_zLGPr

[cyan shadow]

Nooooo

[cyan shadow]

It's gooood

[little furnace]

Only kinda. The controller will still address every individual speaker differently. That still enables more accurate surround sound than if it was a stereo track for stereo TV speakers.

[safe dragon]

I plan on keeping the channels, just not DTS-HD

encode em to opus

[little furnace]

I wonder how that works. After all, that's two entirely different concepts.

Well, ignore everything I said, apparently DTS-HD is the one before the 3D vector thingy.

[safe dragon]

explains why I couldn't find anything

metadata just said 5.1 channel audio nothing funky

[little furnace]

Sorry for sending you on a goose chase.

I had to work with the other one, and I loved the concept and hated working with it.

[safe dragon]

there's too many codecs

[little furnace]

Let's make a codec to unite them all.

.xkcd 927

[heavy dagger]

xkcd #927: Standards

Published 20 Jul 2011 | Fortunately, the charging one has been solved now that we've all standardized on mini-USB. Or is it micro-USB? Shit.

[safe dragon]

a classic

AAC, AC3, DTS, DTS-HD, OPUS, FLAC...

I think those are mainly the ones I've come across in this journey

[little furnace]

The worst are the different kinds of WAV. When a program reports "this software needs YOLO-42 RAW audio", and I'm like "What does it mean?!".

[safe dragon]

lmao

[prisma flume]

what's your favourite WAV and why is it PCM-16

[little furnace]

Because I like the color red

I wonder how many people will get that.

[errant comet]

anyone here using vlc as a main media player

[prisma flume]

yeees

oh wow vlc has dark mode now

and yet the title bar remains light until you restart 🙂‍↕️

[little furnace]

I stopped using VLC when I heard that it doesn't have good color profile support.

Still an awesome project, and what I'm currently using might not be easy for most people.

[errant comet]

I just love how I can do a lot of things with audio and playlists

too bad it doesnt have native rpc

or rps

whatever was it

[prisma flume]

why would i ever want people to know what i'm watching

more to the point, who would ever want to know

[errant comet]

fair enough!!

its just what spotify has

for audio

for videos, not sure how it works

I find it funny to watch people listen to something and then doing absolutely nothing with this info

[little furnace]

I disabled all Rich Presence thingy because that feels creepy.

Talk to me. I will tell you what you need to know.

[prisma flume]

no-privacy-as-a-service

[safe dragon]

I tend to use mpv instead of vlc

[little furnace]

Which one?

[safe dragon]

althrough I do miss the orange traffic cone

are there multiple mpvs

[fleet wren]

-# there are multiple mpvs?

[little furnace]

Multiple clients.

[safe dragon]

I supposed I also use jellyfin with libmpv if that counts

[fleet wren]

interesting; I just use whatever pops up when I type mpv into the console

[little furnace]

I guess that's the original one. There are multiple GUI clients. Don't really know what they add, because I have only used them.

[safe dragon]

whatever I have rn practically doesn't have a GUI

very little anyway

[cinder karma]

everything is social media

why is venmo

[steel kraken]

venmo is pretty much just an american thing afaik

[safe dragon]

I think the closest equivalent here is Tikkie

though most banks support doing it without a third party app I feel like

[little furnace]

Shouldn't you have Wero by now?

[safe dragon]

Wero replaces iDEAL eventually but tikkie is tikkie

rn websites just say iDEAL | Wero now

haven't noticed any other change at all

[steel kraken]

For push transactions like that Australia has payid which all Australian banks work with where you associate your bank account with email or phone number and people can send you money by entering that, zero fees and instant

[cinder karma]

big swinging arm is having fun.

[cinder karma]

that's zelle (other than taking three days)

[little furnace]

That's what Wero should be for all European banks.

In the long term it's supposed to replace PayPal as well.

For commercial stuff.

[cinder karma]

also I'm quite sure this is min rate (one per four) but the latency is pretty bad)

[safe dragon]

the Netherlands has had iDEAL since I was like 9 years old we're just now being told it's going to be called Wero now and nothing will change

[cinder karma]

tbh I think the big thing is you guys have instant transfers and we don't

mostly.

there's things that fake it

[safe dragon]

we do yes

[cinder karma]

(ie, if I "transfer" money to fidelity they'll let me place a trade immediately.)

[little furnace]

It could be that they decided to just expand your system.

[cinder karma]

now, my money hasn't showed up there yet, they're effectively spotting me for three days

if the money doesn't show up I assume they will be Big Mad but that's not been a problem for me

[safe dragon]

I was astounded hearing some story in the UK where someone's payment came in late because the bank doesn't process payments on Sundays

like what

[cinder karma]

Selph did you see my other metal division fun

[safe dragon]

surely payments are completely automatic it should take seconds

[cinder karma]

this one.

[safe dragon]

I was very confused

[cinder karma]

it's not that the payments aren't automatic, it's that there's time in flight so systems can review for issues

[safe dragon]

that hasn't been a thing here for basically as long as I've had access to a bank account so it was a revelation for me

[cinder karma]

(and tbh I'm at the spot in my life where someone taking money out of my bank account when I'm not looking is FAR more terrifying than a 3 day wait)

and I've have things set up intentionally to make transfers harder.

[little furnace]

Things actually will change: There will be consumer protection. Apparently iDEAL didn't have that.

[cinder karma]

not ideal to not have consumer protection :P

[safe dragon]

what does it protect

[cinder karma]

(is there the usual ~small percentage fee for that?)

[safe dragon]

what am I being protected from I mean

[cinder karma]

it's basically insurance against a bad company tbh

[safe dragon]

I don't remember iDEAL getting hacked or something

[cinder karma]

say, if you buy smth from WeWork USA, and they never deliver your Fancy New Desk Chair

you can go to the bank and go "hey, this wasn't done right, can you refund me the money"

[little furnace]

And they will do it and sort it out with the seller afterwards.

[safe dragon]

ah the marketing pitch creditcards use to try to avoid bringing attention to how horrendously unsafe they are

[little furnace]

Kinda, yeah.

[cinder karma]

eh, if someone steals a credit card of mine, they (a) will likely trip the fraud detector, (b) can only run money up to the credit limit, and (c) my bank will text me immediately

[safe dragon]

hmm I guess I have no idea how that works. Never had to do that before

[cinder karma]

(every transaction - bank texts me.)

[safe dragon]

if someone steals my card they can uh... take at most 50 euros from it till the contactless limit is reached

still not ideal

[little furnace]

If someone steals my card, they will realize that I have disabled NFC and they need to enter a PIN every time.

[safe dragon]

damn

i use it to check in to public transport too where NFC is a requirement

[little furnace]

Wait, paying by NFC card is a requirement for public transport in the Netherlands?

[safe dragon]

we've had NFC based transit cards for a very long time. It's a fairly recent thing that regular debit and creditcards work too

for physical tickets, in the rare occasion you have one, there's qr code scanners at the check in gates too at train stations

the same card is used for every kind of public transit in the entire country

be it a train, bus or even a ferry

[little furnace]

Huh. That sounds interesting. Can you have a subscription? How would that work?

[safe dragon]

we basically went from stamp cards the bus driver had to stamp straight to NFC cards when I was a little kid

you can tie subscriptions to a card yeah

like a discount during quiet hours or a senior discount

[dusty pollen]

nfc buses here too

they don't accept anything other than nfc

[safe dragon]

done at the same site where you'd print out your invoice sheet if you declare your transit costs to your employer

[little furnace]

Most people either have a subscription here or pay the bus driver by cash.

[dusty pollen]

we also have machines you can use to charge the cards in train stations

but those are also just the regular ticket machines

[safe dragon]

cash has not been accepted here since... God I don't even know

[cinder karma]

In the US every city has their own system

[dusty pollen]

you can have a subscription here too or they also kind of help you out by auto applying the daily maximums etc

yeah I'm talking about the London system here

[cinder karma]

Bart has their card (but you can use Google Wallet)

Dallas has their own app (but you can buy paper tickets too)

[safe dragon]

I have some ancient oyster card

[little furnace]

Well, auto-applying doesn't work for cash

[dusty pollen]

before you ask "what do tourists without phone payment methods do?", the tfl website says they should order cards weeks or months in advance. that's it that's the only option they give

[dusty pollen]

we don't have cash on public transport

[safe dragon]

having used a lot of transit systems around Europe... The Netherlands seems to generally be one of the first to any new tech

[little furnace]

I only meant that's why we don't do that.

[dusty pollen]

best case scenario if you're buying a train ticket at a station whose actual ticket stand is open, you could pay with cash

[little furnace]

I won't ask about the last one because I know the answer.

[safe dragon]

we've got actual stores that don't accept cash anymore

[dusty pollen]

(but that means you either really lucked out or are in central London)

[safe dragon]

there are no physical banks in my city

[dusty pollen]

London is similar, yeah

[little furnace]

We have a single restaurant like that here and people don't like it.

[dusty pollen]

though not that similar. probably at least in part because there are actual banks in London, not just bank branch places

[safe dragon]

there are ATMs of course just no bank you could walk into

[dusty pollen]

fun fact: bank station is called bank because it's in the same place as the bank of england's underground storage

[safe dragon]

incredible

tbh I think the Netherlands is weirdly quick to accept any kind of digitalization

if we can automate it we will

very unlike many of our neighbors

though we probably actually hate creditcards more than them at the same time

[little furnace]

I think this is at least partially directed at Germany and there is nothing I can say in defense.

[safe dragon]

also France

[cinder karma]

This is wild to me btw

[dusty pollen]

London just wants to stop interacting with other people and these digital things just seem like a step towards that

[safe dragon]

that's part of our motivation too

[dusty pollen]

does the US still not have major self-checkout adoption btw

[cinder karma]

It's absolutely wild that you guys dont have physical bank branches

Oh! At Walmart the other day they were very clearly using AI to identify my produce

At the self checkout

[dusty pollen]

why

[cinder karma]

So in the US for loose unbanned produce you have to type in a 4 digit code

[safe dragon]

the US would have to (finally) phase out checks before it could think of getting rid of physical banks

[cinder karma]

This is actually kind sloelw

[dusty pollen]

we have a perfectly good system here and that's having an employee look over your shoulder while you find the correct produce in a menu

[cinder karma]

(They're mostly gone. I haven't touched a check in a decade. Plus like. You can deposit them with your phone)

[dusty pollen]

my favourite way to shop in person is phone checkout

[cinder karma]

Anyways the 4 digit code works fine but is kinda slow. To speed it up, Walmart seems to be using AI

[dusty pollen]

not even self checkout. I just scan everything with my phone and put it in my bag

[safe dragon]

dutch self checkouts are the least restrictive I've experiencded. The London ones have plates with scales and they yell at you if you put things in the wrong spots

[cinder karma]

I put my oranges down, hit the "loose produce" button, and it asked me which oranges I bought

[dusty pollen]

they're a massive joke even here "unexpected item in the bagging area"

[little furnace]

Self-checkout in Germany is easy for stores to manage because customers don't trust that modern stuff. Oh, and you can't pay by cash, which is 82% of all transactions still. So they don't even need an employee keeping watch because it will be empty all the time.

[safe dragon]

French stores defend their self checkouts like everyone there is a criminal ready to perform a heist

[cinder karma]

What do you do with per pound items?

[dusty pollen]

simple! I don't 😌

[cinder karma]

The only one it screwed up was the apples (it offered me six varieties, none of which was the one I bought)

So I just keyed it in manually

[dusty pollen]

(you would probably get it at the counter where there would be a sticker with a barcode, exactly like how you would deal with it at the self checkout)

[safe dragon]

you print a label with a barcode at the fresh produce aisle and scan that at the self checkout

[cinder karma]

Ah, okay, our self checkouts weigh it

[safe dragon]

our scales are at the produce aisle itself and have been since I was a little tiny baby

[cinder karma]

You either scan the tiny sticker on each produce item, type in the four digit code, search items by name. Or I guess new to 2026, the AI tells you you have oranges and asks which variety

[safe dragon]

genuinely wild to me

[little furnace]

The only place where they had been commonplace ten years ago and have been accepted and used all the time is Ikea.

[safe dragon]

my grocery store at the corner of mg street has 12 self checkouts and a single traditional cash register and even then they're often full while the cash register is just 2 grannies

hell the 80+ year old grandma who lives in the apartment under me uses the self checkout

[little furnace]

I think many people like talking to the cashier.

[steel kraken]

I've been doing mobile only NFC payments for a decade now

[safe dragon]

we don't like talking to people we don't already know

[little furnace]

I know all cashiers in my local grocery store.

[safe dragon]

I think I'd recognize the main one

maybe

[little furnace]

I mean, if you don't use the traditional checkout, you won't get to know them, so that makes sense.

[safe dragon]

Using myself of all people as a metric for an average Dutch person is poor practice though

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7970 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1498141777612378132)

[tranquil grove]

I get to know them because the self-checkout makes them search my cart every single time (based on amount bought ig)

[safe dragon]

I've built self checkout software...

[tranquil grove]

also the veggie section here just has a scale that shows you a qr code, so pick your item -> price based on weight

[safe dragon]

we had a bunch of different metrics to decide whether you get checked that stores could tweak

and employees had a tablet they could use to forcefully trigger one

[tranquil grove]

I imagine their computer booth here can do that, though they never really notice me until I've waited a bit

but yeah, not sure what else stands out

I do ~$200 runs whenever I get around to going

[safe dragon]

main metrics were things like itemsmarked as high risk like energy drinks

[little furnace]

Or like the 20 bottles of wine I buy for my mother when it's on sale again.

[safe dragon]

high risk because teenagers buy them

large volumes or 1 item were also a metric

or whether someone was fast

whether they ever removed something from the cart after scanning

[cinder karma]

I was just wondering how many people honestly key in their apples

Vs key in the cheapest apple

(BTW, is there a reason why pink ladies are now the cheap apples?)

[tranquil grove]

I did see people rec tagging everything as bananas, some years back (idk if they're still cheap)

but even if I was going to do that, I was buying bananas anyway

[little furnace]

I usually do that because I was raised to be a nice person and my mother pays for them.

There are advantages to still living with your parents.

Especially when it's a family home for the two of us.

[cinder karma]

Hey, I tagged the exact apples i bought, which were the 2nd cheapest apples

[safe dragon]

oh right 1 fun metric was simply "how many checks are currently already underway". So like if someone is already getting checked you'd never also get checked

[cinder karma]

Thanks for that knowledge!

[safe dragon]

np

[cinder karma]

Anyways

[safe dragon]

they were all configurable so idk who used which

for all I know the store marked a brand of cheese as a guaranteed manual check requirement

[cinder karma]

The expensive cheese right

[safe dragon]

only Old Amsterdam

[cinder karma]

Tbh I have no idea how European supermarkets work

In my head all y'all still get groceries every day like the French did in the 1950s

[safe dragon]

well depends on the country... and chain

[cinder karma]

On average I buy groceries once a week in winter

[safe dragon]

I do get groceries 2/3 times a week

[tranquil grove]

buying kraft sharp cheddar clearly marked me as a criminal

[cinder karma]

Once every two in summer

[safe dragon]

I live basically next to my grocery store I just pop in when I need something

sometimes I leave the store with nothing except a single pack of pasta

[tranquil grove]

nearest one here now is about an hour, and past a bridge with half-width sidewalks

[safe dragon]

[tranquil grove]

thus the big 1-2 month hoarding trips

[safe dragon]

I usually get my groceries during a lunch break

I'll be back home within 30 minutes anyway

[cinder karma]

I drive past the grocery store every work day so

[safe dragon]

and I can grab some croissants from the bakery

[cinder karma]

Tasty

[little furnace]

Speaking of groceries, do any of you have these weird aisles that spray water over the produce?

[cinder karma]

Yes

[steel kraken]

The misters?

[cinder karma]

It's for freshness

[tranquil grove]

it's been a long time, but one of my past places did

[cinder karma]

The things I dont understand buying are

1. Green onions
2. Basil
3. Cilantro

[little furnace]

Does it really work?

[cinder karma]

All three of these are stupid easy to grow

Like, indoors as a potted plant

[little furnace]

We have basil, but we use it up so quickly that buying it is actually easier than using ours.

[steel kraken]

From a vendor page

Humidification misting systems help store owners boost sales and profits with fresh, appealing and longer-lasting produce. Moisture loss causes products to lose weight dramatically which is a hard cost to the fresh produce retailer. The loss of appeal because of dehydration is considerable, therefore if you are looking to reduce these costs and improve your profit margins then a high-pressure mist humidification system is the best choice for you.

[prisma flume]

well you have to buy it to grow it

[cinder karma]

You buy one plant and it lives over the kitchen sink for years

[little furnace]

Our plant lives for a week, then we have to buy the next one.

Because it's all used up.

[little furnace]

It's weird that nobody uses them here then.

I've read mixed info about that. Some sites claim it keeps them fresh, others claim that it only looks better, some say they do it to make produce heavier and sell it for more.

[steel kraken]

considering where I am they charge them by the weight, them being heavier = more money

[sand frost]

I killed my basil

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #7971 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1498153771874779306)

[devout vault]

(Sorry elizabeth, it's just a great "????" out of context)

(I apologize that it required immortalizing your basil murder)

[sand frost]

I mean, it was part of a general plant murder incident

I left for 4 weeks with an automatic plant watering machine in place

This machine had a faulty power source and ran on backup batteries until they died

Judging by the state of the plants, this was perhaps 2 weeks in

I still miss my pilea aqua (which initially survived but never recovered), but I apparently just don’t have the indoor plant knack, probably because sometimes I leave for 4 weeks

Perhaps one day I’ll have a large enough social network to get someone to stop in and water my plants, but that day is not today (and wasn’t then either)

[devout vault]

Clearly you need a drone you can remote connect to so you water them while you’re away

There’s obviously no other way of accomplishing this task

[cyan shadow]

Indian ones are just regular cash registers with a veneer of independence, because there's always an employee assigned to them to "help"

They never believe me when I say I don't need help. It's very condescending.

[dusty pollen]

there is something about condescension in a british indian accent that hits so much harder for me. the tone is just so pointed

(admittedly most times I've personally seen it happened to be times where it was very deserved, which probably helped )

[safe dragon]

that defeats the point...

it's funny how these things differ so much from place to place

I don't remember where in the US but I know there's places where the cashier packs your bags for you which is weird to me

they're already scanning the items let me handle the bags

[dusty pollen]

don't the US cashiers also stand up

[safe dragon]

it's a thing at least

[cyan shadow]

Indian ones do that too

Something something who cares about staff

[dusty pollen]

I don't get why it's seen as rude for them to sit down though

like who cares

[cyan shadow]

We are very patient until we're not, and that doesn't change if you're diaspora

[dusty pollen]

god the two north indian QA women I worked with patience of saints I swear

[safe dragon]

please stores, place chairs around your store for employees to sit on. Can also be used by kids unfortunate enough to be brought along when their mom runs into someone she knows

[dusty pollen]

there's no saving those kids crumble

they'll be there for hours. or like, ten minutes, but it feels like hours

[safe dragon]

it's definitely hours

[steel kraken]

the US also have states where its still illegal to put fuel in your own car

Though its mostly normal in Australian supermarkets for the cashier to pack your bags, and the main exception to the rule is Aldi and Costco

[hardy jewel]

Unless I’m at a self checkout the cashier has always packed my bags my entire life at every shopping centre where I am

Although they often pack them so genuinely awfully that I’d rather they not

I’ve asked to pack my own bags before but apparently at those stores they weren’t allowed to let people pack their own? which makes no sense to me, they’re not losing anything and their employees can move on to another customer sooner

[dusty pollen]

if you ask a cashier to pack your bag for you here they'd probably just stare at you in confusion

[safe dragon]

meanwhile this has never happened to me at any country I've ever been to

which is mostly just europe to be fair

[safe dragon]

depends. My grandma who was stuck in a mobility scooter did often ask the cashier to pack for them and they did

also

good news Ubuntu lovers https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/the-future-of-ai-in-ubuntu/81130

[dusty pollen]

there are ubuntu lovers?

[safe dragon]

once upon a time maybe

[uncut seal]

"good" news?

[safe dragon]

very "good" yes

(aka )

[little furnace]

What if you don't have a bag for them to pack? I often just carry stuff in my pockets and hands.

[cinder karma]

it's weird, because if I do go to a cashier lane here, I always pack my own bags.

[pliant snow]

i have an ubuntu machine that I occasionally use at work, and I hate the thing. I had forgotten how much I prefer arch-based

[hushed raven]

I have just been fumbling about with my Ubuntu system, I don't want it anymore, I miss using arch based for everything