programmers-off-topic

[plain jasper]

What does it say

[little furnace]

Yay!

[plain jasper]

It worked?

[little furnace]

That it will now try to repair your PC. It might work.

[plain jasper]

YAYYY THANK U MAN 💖 🌷

I APPRECIATE IT ALOT😭

THANK U SO MUCH

🌷🌷💖💖💖

[hushed raven]

(make sure to let it do it's think and not restart yet until it say 100% and give you more info)

[little furnace]

This doesn't guarantee that it fixed the issue. Wait until it's finished.

[plain jasper]

Oki Ngl it’s better than nothing 😭

[plain jasper]

Still thank u guys🥹

[little furnace]

My phone battery is dying, so I hope I'll be back when it's done.
Can you report back then?

[plain jasper]

It’s ok I’ll wait for u

Hehe thank u too

[devout vault]

Pattern matching with the value of a variable is dumb (syntactically)

static void Max2(float a, float b, float c, float d, out float max1, out float max2)
{
    max1 = Math.Max(Math.Max(a, b), Math.Max(c, d));
    max2 = max1 switch
    {
        _ when (max1 == a) => Math.Max(Math.Max(b, c), d),
        _ when (max1 == b) => Math.Max(Math.Max(a, c), d),
        _ when (max1 == c) => Math.Max(Math.Max(b, a), d),
        _ when (max1 == d) => Math.Max(Math.Max(b, c), a),
    };
}

(Technically the parenthesis around the max1 == ? checks aren't needed)

[plain jasper]

I think it’s done

[little furnace]

It failed to find any issue. Try to restart, but I don't think it will work. If it doesn't work, we need to try the next step.

[plain jasper]

What is it

[little furnace]

So it didn't work?

[plain jasper]

It said failed to transfer logged messages

[little furnace]

Can you type exit and press enter?

[plain jasper]

Ok

Then

[little furnace]

You should be back at the menu where you can select stuff. Is that right?

[plain jasper]

Yes

[little furnace]

Then try to press "Continue". Let's see if it works.

[plain jasper]

Oki

Nah

😭

[little furnace]

Okay, next step. Go to "Advanced options" and open the command prompt again.

[plain jasper]

Ok

I clicked shut off wait😭

[little furnace]

Don't worry, I'm not running away.

[plain jasper]

Thank u a lot tbh ok after I click that button what do I do?

Ok

[little furnace]

Then you type, letter for letter, including spaces and special characters, DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth. I don't know if caps is important, do better type it exactly like that.

The command is separated because it's too big to fit a line. Ignore that.

[plain jasper]

Ok

I did this

Good?

[little furnace]

Looks good. Then press enter.

[plain jasper]

Uh

[little furnace]

Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Can you type it again but without the /Online? Sorry about that.

[plain jasper]

Ok it’s ok dw!

Wait I forgot the cap for clean up

Sorry! I’ll rewrite

[little furnace]

No worries. I don't really see what you mean by that.

[plain jasper]

Welp it says that

[little furnace]

Yeah. The Windows support website says it should exist.

[plain jasper]

So it’s hopeless for my laptop?

[little furnace]

Nope, I'm just checking resources.

[plain jasper]

I’ll try again

It says the same

[little furnace]

Yeah. Sorry, I will read a bit and report back in three minutes.

[plain jasper]

Ok thanks sorry about this

[little furnace]

Can you try DISM.exe /Image:C:\ /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth? Do you know how to type \?

[plain jasper]

Yesss dww

[little furnace]

Okay, I'm confused. I'll be back in three minutes again.

[plain jasper]

Ok sorry for the confusion

[little furnace]

Don't worry. I like helping, otherwise I wouldn't be doing this.
Anyway, I can't really find any solution to that and it seems like it isn't really useful for your issue, so let's ignore this and go to the next step.
Can you type sfc /scannow?

[plain jasper]

Ok thank u I appreciate it a lot 🌷🌷💖💖
Sorry I’m late my mom needed me

It’s verifying

It looks it will take a lot of time

[little furnace]

It likely will. Just have patience and don't stress. I'm sure we can somehow fix it.

[plain jasper]

Inshallah thank u so much again
Ok it’s done

Ai told me to write shutdown /r /o /f /t 0

[little furnace]

Sorry, I was doing more research. I don't know if that does anything. I think that will just restart the PC.

[plain jasper]

Ohhh ok thanks

Dw I’m waiting just telling ya

[little furnace]

Yeah, just looked it up. It won't do anything new.
Can you try ls C:\? I want to see whether the volume letters are still the same. Apparently they can be different in Safe Mode.

[plain jasper]

Ik

It’s not working

Maybe the slash

[little furnace]

Wait, is ls not an alias in CMD?

[hushed raven]

it's dir

pretty sure on windows

[plain jasper]

Wait ls

[hushed raven]

Powershell uses ls as an alias, but not cmd according to a quick google

[plain jasper]

Now it worked

[little furnace]

Oh, okay. I hate CMD and never use it for these purposes.
Anyway, the command is dir C:\ then.

Yay.

[plain jasper]

Yay!

[little furnace]

Seems like everything is correct there. That means we don't have to look up the alternative letter.

[plain jasper]

Yay!

[little furnace]

Can you try sfc /scannow /offbootdir=C:\ /offwindir=C:\Windows?

[pliant snow]

it is in powershell, but not CMD iirc

[little furnace]

That's why I only use PowerShell.

Honestly, if it wasn't so verbose, PowerShell would be perfect. I like that it actually uses objects.

[plain jasper]

It’s like a workout mashallah how u guys do this normally im impressed

[hushed raven]

eventually things like this become second nature once you've done it a few times, its easy to forget though with how many arguments there are XD

[little furnace]

Oh, press the "Up" key. That will copy-paste the last thing you entered. Then go back and delete the last space.

[plain jasper]

What space

\windows?

[little furnace]

The one before \Windows

[plain jasper]

Ok

[little furnace]

Oh, press the "Up" key again and delete the question mark, that's wasn't part of the command, that was just me phrasing it like a question.

[plain jasper]

Ok

[little furnace]

This is still an issue? Huh... Need to do some research again, be right back.

[plain jasper]

Well Dw I’ll try everything u tell me

[plain jasper]

Ohh Dw u can take ur time I have to prepare dinner for my family ill take long I’ll be back inshallah thank u for everything

[little furnace]

Have a nice meal,
When you're back, can you tell me what version of Windows this is?

[plain jasper]

I’m back! Hehe thank u alhamdulillah I finished eating

[plain jasper]

It’s windows 10

1 10S too ig this is Lenovo

[little furnace]

Okay, looking things up...

Can you try bootrec /fixmbr

Also, do you have a Windows install CD or USB?

[plain jasper]

Ok

[plain jasper]

Like USB

[little furnace]

The PC already had Windows when you bought it, right?

[little furnace]

I think you misspelled fixmbr. You missed the m.

[long verge]

Ah Windows

Good luck yall

[plain jasper]

Oh wait

[little furnace]

Yay. Now try bootrec /fixboot

[plain jasper]

Oki wait

It work?

[little furnace]

Yes. Finally a bit of progress.
Next would be bootrec /scanos and after that bootrec /rebuildbcd

[plain jasper]

Ok

Ok

Did it work?

[little furnace]

"Total identified Windows installations: 0"?!
That's weird. The last two didn't find your Windows system.

[plain jasper]

Idk

[little furnace]

Can you try bcdboot C:\Windows /s S: /f UEFI

[plain jasper]

With a space right? f space

[little furnace]

Yes

[little furnace]

Oh, you forgot the bcdboot in the beginning.

[plain jasper]

Oh ok let me try again

Sorry!

[little furnace]

Don't be sorry, you are the person who needs to type all of it.

Huh...

[plain jasper]

Still sorry I keep doing mistakes by accident

[plain jasper]

?

[little furnace]

You tried it twice here. The second one has a space between C: and \Windows. That one doesn't belong there. Did you type it when you added the bcdboot?

[little furnace]

Mistakes is how we learn.

[plain jasper]

Ig

[plain jasper]

Wait no space?

[little furnace]

Yeah, no space there. Sorry.

[plain jasper]

The second one without space

[plain jasper]

It’s oki lol

[little furnace]

Can you press Up and send another picture?

[plain jasper]

Ok

[little furnace]

Okay, that seems right. We might need to check the UEFI volume.
Cab you delete all that (just press backspace until everything's gone) and type diskpart and after that list disk

[plain jasper]

Uh

Backspace

?😭

[little furnace]

The one that deletes the last letter. Just keep it pressed.

Above enter, I think.

[plain jasper]

ohhh ok

Now I understand

[little furnace]

It's a weird name.

[plain jasper]

Ok

[little furnace]

Now do select disk 0 and list volume

[plain jasper]

Different enters?

[little furnace]

Yeah.

[plain jasper]

Ok

[little furnace]

Okay, it's BIOS, not UEFI. Try this:
bcdboot C:\Windows /s C: /f BIOS

[little furnace]

Oh, I'm so sorry. Type exit first. I forgot that.

[plain jasper]

Ok

Did that

[little furnace]

Now you can try this. So sorry about that.

[plain jasper]

Ok

[plain jasper]

It’s ok don’t be sorry

[little furnace]

Yes!

[plain jasper]

Yes!

[little furnace]

I've been working on my mobile browser the entire time, I'll switch to my PC now.

[little furnace]

These should work now.

[plain jasper]

Mobile browser! May Allah bless ur hands😭

[plain jasper]

Oki

[little furnace]

Since two weeks ago, whenever I try to sign into the Discord app, my account gets locked due to "suspicious activity".

[plain jasper]

Yay!

[plain jasper]

What did bro do

[little furnace]

Not that yay. It still doesn't find the installations.

[plain jasper]

I think we’re almost done right?🥹

[little furnace]

Uhm...

[plain jasper]

Oh I just read successfully 😭

[pliant snow]

how attached were you to what was on that computer

[plain jasper]

My fav computer my laptop since 4th grade!

Cuz I got a good report card🥹

[pliant snow]

I'm just saying you might have to completely re-install Windows

[plain jasper]

BRO CREATED A MEME TOO

[plain jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/h2di-cat-dead-cat-depressed-cat-laying-gif-11402833644907079653

Why

[little furnace]

I'm just checking whether it's actually an issue or not.

[plain jasper]

When I asked Claude it said I need to download windows

In a flash drive

I’ll try in my school laptop who has a broken fan I hope it won’t explode

[little furnace]

Yeah, that's likely. I tried to stall that because that's always a hassle, and I hate doing it, but I think it's necessary by that point.

[rain apex]

What the heck happened in this chat

[little furnace]

Tech support.

[rain apex]

Is windows the real final boss of OS

[hushed raven]

when it breaks, certainly XD

[rain apex]

Just install arch (btw)

[plain jasper]

It’s blocked in my school laptop

how do I do this

[little furnace]

I didn't know how to spell your name.

[little furnace]

It is? What does it say?

[pliant snow]

arch is too mainstream now, we only support esoteric OSes here

[plain jasper]

I’ll download in my sister’s laptop

[plain jasper]

It’s jut my school administration they’re crazy 💔

My brother knows the pin and he won’t tell me

I need to explode

[rain apex]

u spelled it correct (there r many correct ways to do it)

something like chu.*

[little furnace]

[cC][hH][uU].*

[rain apex]

/chu.*/i

[little furnace]

While you wait for that, I found something we can try on your laptop still.

Like, not wait for exploding. For your sisters laptop.

[plain jasper]

YAY

[plain jasper]

I found it

A few mins

To get ready

😭

[little furnace]

Classic.

[plain jasper]

Yk this way?

[little furnace]

I know that it takes ages, is annoying and you need another PC for that. Which is why I tried to wait as long as possible because I didn't know how easy it would be for you to use another laptop.

If all else fails, we can still go the Arch way. No installer, of course, we want you to learn the commands.

[plain jasper]

I tried to convince them it worked

[little furnace]

Yay.

[plain jasper]

Oki I’ll learn😭

[plain jasper]

Yay!

Thanks for the help Ngl

[little furnace]

Don't worry, that was only a joke some people here will find funny.

QED.

I just realized that I'm basically XP farming now.

[plain jasper]

I do too dw

[hushed raven]

(for context: Arch is a notoriously difficult OS for people who aren't familiar as you used to have to do absolutely everything yourself when setting it up)

[little furnace]

I spend a weekend trying to figure it out back then. Granted, I didn't use an installer and didn't have a phone or other PC to search the wiki, so I used the terminal browser that's part of the main system. Of course I had to bruteforce setting up WiFi. Which involved bruteforcing how to set my keyboard layout.

[little furnace]

I'll glady try to help later when the installer is done.

[hushed raven]

I tried it once when the installer wasn't provided, but when I redid it when switching from windows permanently I did use the installer because I don't have the effort to do it all manually (yes I'm a poser 😔 )

[little furnace]

Honestly, if you've done it a few times, it only takes a few minutes at most.

The "installer" isn't the install script that installs some packages to a mounted partition, right?

Like, back then I had to create and mount the partition myself, and list all packages I wanted to install, but the script basically installed them to the target partition to make chroot easier.

[hushed raven]

I don't know the actual name of it but it's the one that helps automate a bunch of the partitioning, audio, a graphics driver stuff, but thats the most packages it isntalls, you still have to install a DE/WM + the other stuff manually

[little furnace]

pacstrap. That one.

[little furnace]

Yeah, that sounds like a new one.

[hushed raven]

archinstall is the one I used recently, just found the name

Oh apparently pacstrap is part of the arch install script package

[little furnace]

pacstrap did this: pacstrap /mnt base base-devel linux linux-firmware
You had to setup /mnt yourself, but it would install the provided packages there.

[plain jasper]

My baby bro is doing all the work 🥹

Yay?🥹

Yay!

ITBOWRKED

IT WORKED

😭

ONG

OMG

THANK U SO NUXH LIKE AHHH

Omg

I can’t believe it

I’m so happy thanks gng 💖 💖 🌷 🌷 🌷

💖 💖 💖 🌷 🌷 🌷

💖 🌷 🌷 🌷 💖 💖 💖

[little furnace]

Yay.

I'm sorry that I went with you through all that. It might have not even been necessary.

I feel bad now.

[long verge]

First tried it with a wiki + a little bit of chatgpt

i use arch btw

Like honestly if you follow the arch wiki it's lowkey ez

[hushed raven]

my first attempt predated any consumer available LLMs and I certainly couldn't understand the wiki well at that age so it's pretty understandable how lost I was doing it XD

[long verge]

fair

[plain jasper]

Donttt u still helped me thank u I probably will say the next a few years I’ll try to work on this laptop 😭

[little furnace]

You can always ping me when you have issues. I love doing this.

[plain jasper]

Hehe thank u so much! 💖 🌷

[little furnace]

Honestly, everyone can ping me if they have issues, but I feel like most people here know much more than I do, so I doubt many actually need me. I'd probably make things worse.

[plain jasper]

Tbh u taught me alot more than my CCDI teaches idk anything about this thank u for being patience with me tbh

💖 🌷

[little furnace]

I wish I could actually teach you what all that means. But I feel like that would be overwhelming, and I don't know how much you'd be interested in that.

[plain jasper]

Ok I don’t wanna stress with this I need to focus on school anyways still thanks tho 🥹 💖 🌷
U made my day

[little furnace]

Good luck in school!

[plain jasper]

Hehe thanks I’ve been doing my best 💖🌷

U too !

[indigo mist]

@plain jasper You leveled up to Cowpoke. You can now share images in all channels!

[plain jasper]

SHE TALKES!

[plain jasper]

Ayyy cowpoke🥹

[little furnace]

I actually miss Cortana a bit.

[plain jasper]

Should I put my region or us

[plain jasper]

Why they replaced her?

[little furnace]

Is there a reason not to put your region?

[cinder karma]

oh yeah, the new windows installer talks to you

[plain jasper]

I just don’t wanna get hacked again yk and it’s in war like yk

[little furnace]

Kinda. People didn't like her, and she wasn't as smart as other systems, so she was often mocked, so when Microsoft made a new assistant they decided to give it a new name.

[plain jasper]

I got jumped scared bruh

[little furnace]

I don't think that changes anything.

[plain jasper]

Ohhh

[plain jasper]

Dw I was joking lol 💃

[little furnace]

It only changes what some websites and apps think, but not from where your PC gets hacked.

Honestly, if it's hacks you're worried about, maybe you should actually switch to Linux.

[plain jasper]

Yes some consoles I need to change region cuz our lovely Mr NINTENDO we don’t have that orange shop of theirs😭

[plain jasper]

I’ll see I just love my laptop yk

[little furnace]

You can continue using the same laptop. And even keep a lot of your data. What software do you usually use?

[plain jasper]

Tbh I forgot I’ll make a new account

It been years yk

[little furnace]

What do you plan on doing with the laptop? You don't have to answer, I'm just interested.

[plain jasper]

Ohhh

Stardew valley 🥹

😭

[little furnace]

Good answer. That runs on Linux.

[plain jasper]

I don’t have Linux laptop tho

[little furnace]

You can install Linux on every device that runs Windows, as far as I know.

It's free.

[plain jasper]

Ohh like it’s a software

[little furnace]

Kinda. It's basically an alternative to Windows. In a way.

SteamDeck for example doesn't use Windows, but Linux.

[plain jasper]

Ohhh

[little furnace]

Advantages are that it usually runs faster on older hardware, doesn't include ads or tracking and doesn't get nearly as much malware. Disadvantages are mostly that not every software for Windows runs on Linux.

[plain jasper]

That’s such a good advantages tho

Yes yess windows🥹

I’m so happy man😭

[little furnace]

Yay.

[plain jasper]

YAYY

Why can’t I do the scroll mouse properly

[little furnace]

Oh no. Is the mouse broken?

[plain jasper]

Idk

It’s not letting me scroll smoothly

Like I have to click the bar

[little furnace]

Huh. Weird. Are you using a mouse or touchpad?

[plain jasper]

Touchpad rn

[little furnace]

And you're trying to use two fingers swipping up and down, right?

[plain jasper]

Yess

But it doesn’t let me

[safe dragon]

probaby some windows setting

[frosty echo]

May need to install trackpad drivers

[little furnace]

Yeah. Settings > Devices > Touchpad might be the solution.

[little furnace]

Can you open "Additional settings"?

[plain jasper]

Ok

[safe dragon]

windows loves its "here's the useless settings with a button to the real settings"

[plain jasper]

True wallah loves to be difficult 😭

[little furnace]

"ELAN" should be the correct tab.

[hushed raven]

Bring back old control panel

[little furnace]

"Enable Device"?

[plain jasper]

Ok

[plain jasper]

?

[little furnace]

Did anything change?

[plain jasper]

Uh

No

Should I click ok?

[little furnace]

Yes, try that.

[plain jasper]

Nothing happened

Maybe fixing

[little furnace]

Don't think so, but you can try.

[plain jasper]

I research

Bruh

[little furnace]

I'm looking for a driver.

Can you try this one?
https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/de/de/products/laptops-and-netbooks/100-series/110s-11ibr/downloads/driver-list/component?name=Maus und Tastatur&id=39D5D4E5-00B9-4FAA-9E83-DB725143192A

[plain jasper]

Like I do it in my laptop?

[little furnace]

You should just download and install that one, I think. It looks like it's for your laptop.

[plain jasper]

Ok wait I have to login

My laptop restarted wait

This takes so long

AHHH I DID THE DRIVER INE

IT WORKED

AHH

Thanks guys I love yall 🥹

I can play stardew omg😭

[little furnace]

Yay.

[plain jasper]

YAYY

thank u

💖 💖 🌷 🌷

[little furnace]

Great, now install totally_not_a_virus.exe.

[plain jasper]

I have too?

[plain jasper]

IDKK😭

[plain jasper]

GURL

[little furnace]

I'm sorry. No, actually, I'm totally not sorry.

[hushed raven]

I know that link by heart XD

[little furnace]

I feel like most people don't click it because they think it's a virus, but because they know fully well what it is.

[hushed raven]

I don't condone clicking random links, except that one specifically, that's a great link to click

[safe dragon]

definitely hovered over it, saw the url and knew what it was

I wasn't born yesterday

oh and then I clicked on it

cause it's a nice song

[little furnace]

Yeah. I like the song. I'm glad that one became a meme.

Maybe I should make my own version using my own favorite songs.

Like that one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BFTio5296w

[lethal walrus]

That's exactly what I expected it to be and I still opened it

[cinder karma]

Please https://youtu.be/HtVcltkn3HI?si=3UgAheQMdCfdf2Ts

[errant comet]

so many yt links

[weak obsidian]

you rickrolled me.

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-gif-25783770

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u00ts7tDYQ

this actually sounds good

[prisma flume]

https://i.redd.it/gpi4qrmppiia1.png

a classic

[weak obsidian]

the amount of times i type this

which i just did today

and get frustrated by it

[steel kraken]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[weak obsidian]

powershell 😭

[steel kraken]

but yes, cmd is a lot more primitive than powershell which has ls as just a thin alias, which means ls -hal C:\ still errors out

[weak obsidian]

didnt know power had it

[pliant snow]

if you run which ls in powershell, it shows it's just an alias

which which also shows that which is an alias too lol

[steel kraken]

PS C:\Users\SinZ> ls -hal
Get-ChildItem : A parameter cannot be found that matches parameter name 'hal'.
At line:1 char:4
+ ls -hal
+    ~~~~
    + CategoryInfo          : InvalidArgument: (:) [Get-ChildItem], ParameterBindingException
    + FullyQualifiedErrorId : NamedParameterNotFound,Microsoft.PowerShell.Commands.GetChildItemCommand

also the alias reveals itself quickly when you use arguments

[ivory shadow]

"List the files -hal"
"I'm sorry, SinZ. I'm afraid I can't do that."

[steel kraken]

It's unironically a great way to use ls.
h) human readable file sizes
a) all files
l) long list format

[vernal sentinel]

When your teacher gives you the project skeleton but the event manager is so ass the game window dies the moment you click on it

[uncut seal]

hey, I'm trying to setup hyprland, can someone ping me so that I can see if notifications work?

[hushed raven]

@uncut seal get pinged

[uncut seal]

perfect!

[weak obsidian]

Oh how i missed you

My kirny

Kirby

COME TO ME KIRBY!!!!!!!1!1!11!1!

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-suck-kirby-vacuum-cute-nintendo-gif-16544038

[weak obsidian]

KIRBY

HAS.

ARRIVED.

[little furnace]

I don't know how much you care about it, but keep in mind that the maintainer is very toxic and the community very transphobic.

[hushed raven]

I did not know that why I used it, Looks like my imitation of hyprland through river is needed more if I go back to a tiling wm

[uncut seal]

God damnit, I just finished setting it up, I should've looked this up beforehand...

I think I'll keep this for now, I'll check how bad the situation is. I've heard Niri is popular now.

[worn remnant]

i'm using niri right now and it's pretty good

[hushed raven]

Still waiting for someone else to make a WM that can have tiling on one screen and scrolling on the other so I can be lazy and not have to make it

I have been waiting a long while so it's either just aroud the corner, or never coming, feeling much like sunk cost rn XD

[terse galleon]

do you guys have any smart phone recommendations? i currently have an iphone se 2022 and it’s a good size if a tiny bit wide for my baby hands with a case on. i’m okay switching to android. i want something that still fits in my hand and that i can disable AI on. shockingly i haven’t found anything that fits the bill yet /sarcasm

[rain apex]

I have a pixel 9 which is one year before googly went ai brained

[hushed raven]

I best I can give, is good luck XD Id say a decent thing to do is avoid flagships as they usually have all the AI features they could cram into a phone

[rain apex]

It's alright i guess

[red crest]

get a flip phone

[little furnace]

Depends on what you want. Fairphone sells degoogled Android phones, so they won't have AI at all.

[rain apex]

Yes return to motorola razr v3

That's what peak performance looks like

[hushed raven]

I've got a Redmi note 11 pro, which you can disable the AI features on, but the note series is pretty big and doesn't let you do much for accessibilty or custom ROM stuff if thats needed

[little furnace]

Also, they are repairable, but you pay a bit more for sustainability and fairness.

[rain apex]

That said 2022 is only 4yr ago

I don't really feel like phones changed that much

Do u have urgent need

[hushed raven]

I'd say a decent phone from before the AI boom is still a pretty good choice today + not too much AI stuff

[little furnace]

The Unihertz Jelly Max is a modern 5" phone.

[terse galleon]

i’m on an old ios and my apps are slowly not working. i need to update ios but i’m scared it’ll brick it and so i’m planning for that eventuality

[red crest]

switching to Android would qualify it as an urgent need to me /j

[little furnace]

Get a Windows Phone!

[rain apex]

Yeah nic i think it'd be cheaper to get a slightly out of date model too

[little furnace]

Or refurbished.

[rain apex]

It's best to just see what ur local carrier has for deals or plans

[terse galleon]

yeah i’m not paying $1000 for shit i don’t want lol

[little furnace]

Honestly, if software updates are a priority, get an Android phone with an unlockable bootloader. You can always flash the newest version.

[terse galleon]

honestly i just wish i could keep this phone but update it to ios 16 instead of 26 or whatever but alas

[rain apex]

I personally find it relatively easy to ignore the ai stuff cus u have to do subscription anyway

[terse galleon]

flash?

[rain apex]

Flash means install different os

[terse galleon]

does it still take up battery/space?

[rain apex]

For phones

[terse galleon]

i see

[rain apex]

Space yea battery not unless u start the thing?

But that's my particular situation maybe new phones r worse

I don't think any android phone is shipping a whole ass llm on the phone itself

Usually they r trying to get u to buy their ai services

[little furnace]

Yeah. You connect it to a PC, dowoad a modern ROM, type a command and you should have a new system. But if it's incompatible to the previous one (updates are compatible, but different "distributions" usually aren't), you need to delete all data, which is why I usually pick one distribution and then stay on it until I switch phones.

[safe dragon]

I'm tempted to try out the fairphone e/OS/ thing but idk

[little furnace]

Do it. I will support you.

[safe dragon]

just feels very risky

I guess fairphone does ultimately support putting android on it if e/OS doesn't end up working out

[little furnace]

Yeah, exactly. I've flashed stock on Fairphones very often after flashing a non-working experimental system.

The only time I ever actually hard-bricked one was when I tried to increase the system partition using an experimental ARM version of parted.

[safe dragon]

do you do this a lot

I've never even seen a fairphone

[cyan shadow]

the cool blue has them

the old one looks like a fucking brick

the new one is neat tho

[safe dragon]

I'd guess coolblue sells the regular android version

any idea why the e/OS version costs more?

[cyan shadow]

I actually don't remember

[safe dragon]

why buy that and not get the android one and flash e/OS yourself at that point

is there some benefit I'm missing

[hushed raven]

convenience and people not knowing how to do it themselves I would guess

[cyan shadow]

ah yeah i just looked, they have the regular version

[safe dragon]

there's some irony to grapheneOS requiring a Google Pixel phone since its users are people who want to degoogle their phones

[little furnace]

My mother had a Fairphone 2, I had a Fairphone 3, another one after I bricked it (my mother bought the Fairphone 4), then after we renewed our phone plan my mother got a Fairphone 5 while I got the Sony Xperia 10 III which I dropped to the floor twice and it broke and because my mothers were switching to iOS (why?) I first got the Fairphone 4 and then Fairphone 5.
Yes, I've had a lot of phones. Yes, I unfortunaly tend to break them quickly. I will be more careful with the next one (I'll buy another one because I dislike the notch modern Fairphones have).

But anyway, yes, I experimented with custom ROMs on all of them.

[cyan shadow]

I screwed myself by buying a samsung. good luck de-anythinging that

[safe dragon]

you've had more fairphones than I've had phones

and that includes pre-smartphone era

[little furnace]

I'm incredibly clumsy. It's gotten better, but you don't want to know how many Tolinos I broke.

[safe dragon]

📝 don't ask about longevity of the device

I've never even had a scratch on the display on any of my phones lmao

[little furnace]

I also have to admit, for the longest time I've refused to use a proper case.

[safe dragon]

I'm a screen protector hater but I do always use a basic case

[little furnace]

But yeah, I think I broke 7 Tolinos in 8 years. My mother actually realized that the screen is so sensitive that even putting a laptop on top of the thing will break it. I've got to hand it to Amazon, I hate the ecosystem, but the Kindle has survived for five years now.

I have of course jailbroken it. And rooted all Tolinos.

[safe dragon]

I have a kobo ereader

[little furnace]

Kobo and Tolino are nowadays the same, I think.

[safe dragon]

with KFMon/KOReader

my mom uses her kokbo ereader basically daily for hours

they've proven they last

[safe dragon]

yeah not happening

[cyan shadow]

yep

next phone will probably be a fairphone

[little furnace]

Yay.

[safe dragon]

despite attempts at regulating these mobile OSes to be more open, it feels like none of that has done anything

and it's just getting worse

if only phones hadn't become such a fundamental requirement to living in the modern world

[long verge]

that was quick

[safe dragon]

what was quick

[long verge]

the scam thing being deleted

[safe dragon]

damn I missed it

I was away for a sec to queue an action in runescape

[hushed raven]

I keep seeing new unreads and it just vanishes before I have the time to click, such a shame, so fun seeing what URL are in the scams

[long verge]

it was just the usual 4 pics of a scamy crypto thing

[safe dragon]

how does that one keep working

[little furnace]

I have to mentally hold myself back from sending another rickroll.

[safe dragon]

such restraint

[pliant snow]

I think the bot caught it

[dusty pollen]

and we love it for that 😌

[chrome sequoia]

gotta love the scam links that are like hpttps://wwww.steeamr3wamds.com/get-ur-free-gift/totally-real/giftcard.tar.exe

-# it's fun to see how people try and imitate the steam link lol

[devout vault]

@ bouncer ^
(/s)

[safe dragon]

omg free gift

i click

[hardy jewel]

o no, crumb is dead

[little furnace]

||Just like Dumbledore, shouldn't have called himself that way.||

[hushed raven]

I think a 17 year old film is okay to have unspoilered XD it's almost old enough to drink in the UK

[little furnace]

There is a film?!

[pliant snow]

wow don't spoil the hit upcoming TV show

[hushed raven]

Theres a TV show?!

[little furnace]

Now if you tell me there's a musical I'm losing it.

[devout vault]

There is no musical in ba sing se

[little furnace]

I remember how much I loved reading the books. I finished all of them in five weeks. JKR has taken that from me. But that's okay, I have found better books since then.

[pliant snow]

ender's game

[little furnace]

I will walk for somebody to read the Book of the Ancestor trilogy.

I've been walking 12km yesterday.

[safe dragon]

harry potter taught me the English word mustache when I was 11 years old cause I was trying to read the book in English while having a dictionary next to me

and Vernon was described as having one

this is somehow a core memory

just like me learning the word butterfly cause I right clicked on one in runescape at the lumbridge goblins

[little furnace]

That word is a classic case of English adopting a word from a foreign country in the worst way possible, so that the language is even more confusing.

[hushed raven]

Why couldn't I learn english like you?? that sounds so fun!

instead I had to be cursed with it from birth grumble

[safe dragon]

I don't have fun stories for most other words

[safe dragon]

oh?

[little furnace]

The phonetics. English is so inconsistent, and having a word like mustache that sounds French but doesn't really look that French anymore doesn't help.

[safe dragon]

tbh these words were kinda extra interesting because they were completely different from the Dutch counterpart

we share so many words

so it stood out

[safe dragon]

right

Dutch word for a mustache is "snor"

[little furnace]

That sounds funny. And similar to the German one. What's the Dutch word for beard?

[safe dragon]

baard

[little furnace]

Then the German one would be "snorbaard".

And it sounds very similar.

[safe dragon]

snorbaard from a Dutch perspective sounds like an odd name you'd give a dwarf in a children's fairy tale

[little furnace]

That sounds cute. I found my next D&D character.

-# I have never played D&D

[safe dragon]

our word for butterfly is vlinder

[little furnace]

Huh. I wonder whether it has a specific origin.

[safe dragon]

lots of different words for that one across Europe as far as I can tell

[little furnace]

Apparently it's related to the Old Germanic "flindern", which means flutter.

[safe dragon]

apparently the etymology of "vlinder" is unknown but has been in use for 600 years

it's related to that yeah

apparently English once had the word flindre

[little furnace]

The German word "Schmetterling" is related to the Slavic word for sour cream "Schmetten", but in modern German it sounds like it's called "smashling".

[dusty pollen]

which hasn't had any sequels written for it! idk why I felt the need to say that really but nope it definitely did not have ANY sequels

[little furnace]

I mean, "end" is in the name, so why would it have sequels.

[dusty pollen]

and the sequels definitely didn't each have a different moral message to the last because the author went on a bizarre journey of changing belief systems

[devout vault]

I never read any of the things that don’t exist, but I hear I wouldn’t want to if they did exist

[dusty pollen]

because there weren't any, you see

[devout vault]

there are no sequels in ba sing se

[dusty pollen]

the first sequel isn't TERRIBLE tbh, I would even say it's an interesting follow-up to the original

[devout vault]

I also never watched the movie (or am I misremembering that having a movie now)

[dusty pollen]

it does

[devout vault]

Same with Ready Player One. Read the book and eventually heard a movie came out but never watched it

[dusty pollen]

and the movie made ender 12 and cast a 16 year old to play him

[devout vault]

How old was he originally, it’s been ages

[dusty pollen]

which... sure doesn't get in the way of Ender's age being a very deliberate choice or anything...

[devout vault]

Like.

Middle or high school

[dusty pollen]

6

[devout vault]

Ah

[devout vault]

okay to be fair, it might be easier to CGI in this case than get a six year old to do it in this case

[sand frost]

I read all the Bean series of sequels

I think they may have been a bit more coherent than the main series

[devout vault]

(From the little I remember)

[devout vault]

I don’t know what bean you’re talking about but I’m going to assume this one

[dusty pollen]

about this

I have no problem with Carrie Hope Fletcher but pretty much every musical she's ever been in is on my shit list for missing the point of a great movie

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/my-time-is-left-gif-8864614750216199703

[sand frost]

that would be an interesting crossover...

[devout vault]

(I’ve seen basically none of those either, to be fair)

[dusty pollen]

(the addams family movies from the 90s and heathers being the two biggest offenders)

[devout vault]

Two more I’ve heard the name of but never watched

[sand frost]

same

[devout vault]

I’m uncultured swine, to be fair

[dusty pollen]

I haven't either because I heard the basic plot of the adaptations and said "absolutely fuck that shit"

[dusty pollen]

you should watch the addams family movies

heathers, it depends on your mood tbh, I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't care for it

atlas have you ever watched st trinians

[hushed raven]

Addams family is great, heathers was meh imo, but it's not the kind of thing I really enjoy anyway so it makes sense

[devout vault]

I just don’t tend to watch much live action stuff

[hushed raven]

I have not watched st trinians

[dusty pollen]

British alt culture classic and you haven't watched it? for shame

[hushed raven]

I hear the shame bells ringing in the distance again 👂

[dusty pollen]

there's even a makeover scene that focuses on helping the MC find her alt style that she likes rather than on making her pretty 😌

and fascinatingly, the main actress never did anything or became known for anything or for dating anyone after that. nope.

[safe dragon]

hmmm

[hushed raven]

I shall put that on while I eat then, I do love british comedy, not to brag but we have the best comedies

[devout vault]

It sounds like ba sing se is really popular in this channel lately

[little furnace]

By the way, the books are "about magical bi girls going to school to become [assassins] for their church", if anyone is interested in that. Yes, I'm trying to get more people to read them, and am not subtle about that.

[safe dragon]

British comedy shows played a fairly significant role in my English learning journey

[devout vault]

I still haven’t even finished the books I want to read

(Last two of I’m in love with the villainess)

[safe dragon]

😌

alas I don't read very often

[little furnace]

I mean, I listened to the audio book. But I immediately bought the books afterwards.

[safe dragon]

I've never successfully gotten through an audiobook

[little furnace]

Understandable. There was a time in my life when we were often driving for long distances.

[safe dragon]

it's not engaging enough to be the only thing I'm doing but too engaging to be doing while doing something else

ah

yeah I don't have that kinda downtime

[little furnace]

I mean, I completely stopped as well when I no longer had it.

I do tend to read books during a spa afternoon while resting after a sauna ritual.

[rain apex]

I've listened to more hours of audible.com sponsorships than audiobooks

[hardy jewel]

Audiobooks either make me so angry at a book I otherwise wouldn't have been angry about, or elevate it beyond anything I would have felt reading it in my own head

so I tend to not listen to them often

[steel kraken]

the only audiobook I've listened to was technically also a podcast I think, of harry potter and the methods of rationality. and I found it enjoyable

[little furnace]

That's really true. I found it usually depends on the reader.

[hardy jewel]

I just finished doing half audio half actual reading for "Atmosphere" by Taylor Jenkins and that was a really amazing audiobook experience, I must say

but that was a given

[safe dragon]

before I burnt out on Japanese studies I sometimes tried to use audiobooks as something to play while simultaneously reading the actual book because having both helped comprehension

[dusty pollen]

I can't listen to audio books. the version of ADHD I have does NOT play nice with paying attention to sound

[frosty echo]

Have you tried... listening and reading the same thing at the same time?

[steel kraken]

that does not sound fun

[sand frost]

This is so true.

[dusty pollen]

and before anyone asks, no I do not listen to music either 😌

[little furnace]

Luckily I'm the opposite. Visuals distract me, but sound soothes me. I'd rather be blind than deaf.

[safe dragon]

the big downside being I had to have both while legally having access to probably neither

[dusty pollen]

I read much quicker than the audiobook does so that ends up being a form of torture for me

[sand frost]

I’m not sure I’ve even ever tried to listen to an audiobook

[hardy jewel]

I put a lot of audiobooks on 1.5-2x speed LOL I feel you iro

[rain apex]

i am being attacked by 2010s ff.net

[sand frost]

Yeah same

[hardy jewel]

but then that makes most of them even less enjoyable

[rain apex]

the person who wrote that sure was an internet persona

[safe dragon]

for Japanese I put the audiobooks at 0.7 speed lmao

[devout vault]

Is that an adhd thing? I assumed I just had an auditory processing disorder, since I really struggle with understanding words without something to correlate them with (subtitles, mouth movement, etc.)

[dusty pollen]

I'm sure that would help me if I had any idea what they said at those speeds

[steel kraken]

https://hpmorpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/episodes/HPMoR_Full.mp3 just going to casually leave this here

[hushed raven]

Audio book son 2x speed is a must, but sometimes I end up not paying attention and have to rewind more often XD

[dusty pollen]

auditory processing disorders are a symptom of ADHD

[devout vault]

also this

[sand frost]

I read about 8x faster than an audiobook

(Looked up some book length just now, so a rough number)

[devout vault]

huh

[safe dragon]

y'all built different I can't do 2x speed that's too much

[sand frost]

I can’t parse audio faster than 2x speed and I don’t enjoy it at 2x speed

[dusty pollen]

so basically, why not both

[hardy jewel]

I have years of experience with 2x speed from watching my uni lectures at it, and that was mostly a survival tactic

[devout vault]

It’s the same reason I can’t have a stream open and also code or play Minecraft or something

[hardy jewel]

watchling...

[sand frost]

I once tried a double zoom

[hushed raven]

APD is more often a comorbidity, but varients can be a symptom, it's so confusing at times

[sand frost]

Where I attended two classes at once

It wasn’t very fun

[steel kraken]

ADHD is sensory overload in general right, which can manifest in many ways

[safe dragon]

i never watch or listen to anything sped up

[dusty pollen]

I had one lecturer I couldn't put on 1.5x speed because she already spoke at that speed then again I didn't exactly watch most of my lectures 💀

[devout vault]

It’s a lot of things!

[sand frost]

I don’t have any particular auditory processing disorders afaik but I have a dramatically worse memory for things I hear than things I read

[hushed raven]

sometimes overload, sometimes underload, for me atleast it tends to be a much smaller window of "load" where I still am able to be functional compared to someone without ADHD

[sand frost]

But no one can parse on 8x speed so audiobooks will always be dramatically slower for me than just reading the book

[devout vault]

Usually for me it’s more about executive dysfunction and focus

[steel kraken]

I was a few points short on the adhd diagnosis (mainly due to lack of early childhood evidence)

[dusty pollen]

careful, a secondary school teacher is going to hear you and start yelling debunked theories about "visual learners vs auditory learners" /lh

[devout vault]

But less so now that my brain is 100% on the right chemicals (rather than 50% like ~6 months ago and further back)

[sand frost]

I’ll start reading books under the table

[little furnace]

Those are debunked? My primary school teacher told me I'm an auditory learner.

[steel kraken]

tbh there is some merit in the visual learner vs auditory learner stuff, but iirc its less about learning style and what you prefer learning about

[dusty pollen]

we had so many "study skills" assemblies and they all boiled down to EITHER YOU LEARN BY SEEING OR BY HEARING SO PICK ONE

[devout vault]

Very tangential, but this is also why I feel like typing speed tests are… kinda garbage.

They are limited by your reading speed.

I can read fast, but it’s still no match for typing out my own thoughts

[hushed raven]

this annoys me so much when so much evidence is needed, if you don't know you have it before hand, how on earth are you supposed to gather the evidence

[dusty pollen]

it's complicated but kind of? it definitely doesn't apply in the way schools teach

[steel kraken]

I passed the ASD lvl1 test fine and theres a good amount of overlap between the two so its mostly fine

[dusty pollen]

my unpopular opinion is that I'm not convinced ASD and ADHD are distinct things

[hushed raven]

I think I have actually watched it, the start is very familiar XD

[hardy jewel]

I have this weird thing where I remember the things I've listened to by the thing I was doing separately/moment in time I was present in
For example there was a very important lecture I listened to about anaphylaxis management in my 1st year whilst I was gathering dirt for a project in Minecraft on the side, and whenever I refer to it in my brain I need to replay my whole time gathering the dirt

[devout vault]

I mean, there is an unusually high correlation rate.

And also with being transgender (for both)

[safe dragon]

learning by doing is now illegal

[dusty pollen]

and hypermobility!

[sand frost]

Kinesthesia is banned

[devout vault]

I haven’t heard of that one.

I’m not hyper mobile, but a family member is

[steel kraken]

From having listened to some work related events regarding neurospicy, it seems in general that ADHD is very rarely diagnosed in isolation and usually gets paired with something

[hushed raven]

This is actually a method that's taught to help active recall! I think it works by associating memories in the same way smells remind you of things

[dusty pollen]

it's weird and nobody knows exactly why it happens, but hypermobility is famously tied especially to ADHD but also even to conditions like POTS that cause "adhd-like symptoms"

[safe dragon]

smells don't remind me of anything

[dusty pollen]

I barely have a sense of smell

[devout vault]

Oh, that’s reminds me of the old supposed study trick I heard about where you study a subject in the classroom you’ll be testing in it for

[dusty pollen]

and what I can smell just gives me a headache

[steel kraken]

There are some distinct memories in my mind of listening/watching to something and having the association to an area east of Whiterun in skyrim facing the city

[devout vault]

same

[little furnace]

My goal is to smell more than I smell.

[devout vault]

But that could partially be because I live with cats despite being allergic

[safe dragon]

ah this mown grass smells like mown grass that reminds me of when I previously smelled mown grass

[devout vault]

(Well, cat, at the moment)

(I take Zyrtec every day)

[dusty pollen]

I just... don't. never have

[hushed raven]

same with EDS, specifically the hypermobile kind, a theory I've seen put forward is it's related to defective collagen, but I haven't heard much on that front reguarding results

[dusty pollen]

it's possible that it affects some blood vessels in the brain, apparently. that's my old psych's favourite theory

[devout vault]

Oh, I do smell some things, just not as often as I think is normal.

Like, I smell dinner cooking right now. But some foods are like one of the only things I do smell

[safe dragon]

I'm hypermobile in some joints

[hushed raven]

I have tried that, dedicated certain rooms to certain tasks in my uni flat and it worked quite well, not sure if thats just a mental thing or if it actually works

[dusty pollen]

I smell some things a little bit, but most things I either barely smell or not at all

spoiled food is one I would only smell if it's VERY spoiled

[safe dragon]

I may not have any official diagnosis for autism or anything but I do have the hypermobility diagnosis

[hushed raven]

that's a very good theory, it fits the bill well

[devout vault]

Yeah, bad smells are one of the problems for me, because I won’t notice something like that or if a pet relived themselves where they shouldn’t have but isn’t immediately visible

[dusty pollen]

I'm the other way around, between us we almost have a complete diagnosis!

nobody say anything about all the other mystery health issues I have

[sand frost]

I’m allergic to “everything” per my allergist so I’m assuming this is why I don’t smell much

[dusty pollen]

your allergy test just came back with "yes"

[safe dragon]

that's a lot of things

[sand frost]

I once didn’t notice cigarette smell in an apartment for a day or two

[little furnace]

I'm lucky I can smell carrion easily. Otherwise it would be difficult finding all the rotten mice my cats used to bring home. I'm glad they stopped.

[sand frost]

Pretty much! Except one kind of mold

[safe dragon]

"we've determined you're allergic to allergy test"

[sand frost]

The cigarette smell thing was bad because it sort of makes me sick

[steel kraken]

honestly the last thing I remember smelling was this. and it was surreal

[dusty pollen]

I can smell cigarettes, annoyingly. annoyingly because I have kind of a phobia of things that make me not breathe well because of my asthma

[sand frost]

I don’t have asthma! If you ask my health records, anyways

I mostly don’t have asthma

[hushed raven]

so it seems the stardew valley community is disproportionately nose blind, fascinating

[dusty pollen]

I have asthma without allergies, which is actually kind of unusual

[sand frost]

I have a phobia of peanuts

For obvious reasons

[safe dragon]

i can smell a litterbox rn down the stairs

[sand frost]

Clearly Stardew is smelly

[dusty pollen]

is it a phobia if it's rational?

[steel kraken]

Peanuts are great

[sand frost]

I also don’t like sunflower butter

It looks too much like death

[hushed raven]

sunflower butter is a thing?

[sand frost]

So I guess it’s a phobia?

[hardy jewel]

sunflower butter is disgusting that's fair

oh, looks

well

[hushed raven]

oh that does not look appetising

[dusty pollen]

I guess it's similar to me, you got so used to the legit fear of having a reaction that it kind of became a phobia

[sand frost]

Yeah, there’s things that logically are fine but in practice I just don’t

Yours presumably has more of the iffy component as I understand that asthma is less predictable?

[dusty pollen]

like most of the time I'm not actually going to be set off by cigarette smoke but the way it feels to breathe just reminds me way too much of asthma attacks

[dusty pollen]

even non allergic asthma has triggers, but they aren't as consistent as allergies, yeah

[sand frost]

Like it’s harder to be like “yeah there’s no way this can do an asthma attack” the way I can guarantee if I don’t eat or touch or smell it I won’t react

[dusty pollen]

usually for me asthma attacks are less of a concern than I fear, not more

but my asthma isn't that serious

speaking of mystery health issues though. I'm dizzy again so I'm going to call it a night

[little furnace]

Good night!

[hardy jewel]

there was an event in Australia a while back where so much pollen and other allergens got sucked up in a thunderstorm and then sprayed down on an entire city, resulting in people who did not have a prior diagnosis of asthma having sudden severe asthma attacks, and the ambulance service got so absolutely overwhelmed by this gigantic event that 9 people died

[hushed raven]

Rest well!

[hardy jewel]

so now it's called thunderstorm asthma

good night iro!

[dusty pollen]

[cinder karma]

okay but why

why did you do that to yourself

couldn't you have grabbed the zoom of one of them later

[sand frost]

One of them was a one off problem solving session I think??

I don’t remember exactly but I never intended to do it long term

Also I never watch recorded zooms anymore

So exhausting

[cinder karma]

anyways

production puzzles are not my friend and I am bad at them and I WILL finish that chapter even if it takes me 500 cycles

(I also have laundry to do)

[prisma flume]

can't believe this channel was offtopic for so long and to such extremes that the computer game stardew valley was mentioned and nobody even batted an eye

[steel kraken]

finally joining in on the leaderboard games

[hushed raven]

Oh I love when thing's go humorously wrong

[steel kraken]

asymmetric bridges are great

[steel kraken]

top #950 was fun and in the top 1% with some healthy margin

[sand frost]

Impressive max stress

[steel kraken]

I'm going to sweat that asset and get all my moneys worth out of it

[steel kraken]

barely squeaked into 1%, and the bridge has considerable flex

[steel kraken]

Last one for now

[safe dragon]

the allure of histograms

[dusty pollen]

whatcha doing 👀

[hushed raven]

Tkinter python crimes to make modding easier 😌 (sorta)

[steel kraken]

https://github.com/sinz163/w3x-to-vmf I don't particularly miss Tkinter, but the last time I touched it was over 11 years ago

[hushed raven]

The last time I used it was when I was learning python, it's significantly easier to use now thankfully, still as jank as anything though

[cinder karma]

SinZ really likes bridges that are about to fall over, huh

[lethal walrus]

that is horrifically on topic

[prisma flume]

it has python in the message and not bridge constructor. don't complain

[devout vault]

✨ the cold ✨
I do have asthma

[devout vault]

sorta on the crime side, or sorta on the easier side? 😛

[hushed raven]

sorta on the easier side, at least for now, crime side will be in full force somewhat soon

[devout vault]

Ah, sorta like how my [TOO ON TOPIC REDACTED] editor was actually worse at first than the alternative

[hushed raven]

exactly! XD

[cinder karma]

Python is very much a crime language

Fun fact

[devout vault]

Look, you can say that all you want, but it isn't going to make me like it

[hushed raven]

"code crime queen" and yet doesn't like prime crime language smh my head

[devout vault]

Look, if the language is pro-crime, then it's not really crime, now is it?

[hushed raven]

gangs are pro crime and yet they still commit crimes, your reasoning may be ever so slightly flawed, checkmate

[devout vault]

Gangs do bad crime, but code crimes are good.

[hushed raven]

okay you got me there

[cinder karma]

I took advantage of python having functions as first class objects

To attach the str.maketrans table instances to the function itself

Instead of polluting my namespace with statics

Then I wrote a decorator to do it

[dusty pollen]

oh atra. never do js

(also yes, python and js both view this as not a crime but a perfectly valid thing to do)

[hushed raven]

Hmm theres a python convention in California on may 13th, I didn't know pycons were a thing, cool!

[cinder karma]

How do u define code crimes anyways

[hushed raven]

if it works, not pretty, and highly likely to not work with other things, that's one part of a crime, the other part is "will this give an actual professional an aneurysm?" if the answer is yes, you've got your self a code crime

[devout vault]

I was just gonna say " ✨ vibes ✨ (as long as those vibes aren't vibe coding)"

[hushed raven]

vibe coded crimes are equivalent to shop lifting a chocolate bar, nothing much to write home about, crimes coded based on ✨ vibes ✨ is more equivalent to a bank heist, publicity guaranteed

[little furnace]

I love how spending time here lessens my imposter syndrome.

[cinder karma]

I'm gonna take that as an insult thanks 💖

[safe dragon]

me too

[rain apex]

What did they mean by this

[rain apex]

I think what ppl call code crimes is more accurately described as a bodge

Doing some wacky thing to achieve goal

[cinder karma]

Bodge is a word I've not heard

Usually i say "hack"

[hushed raven]

I think bodge is a uniquely british/colonies word, it's the only place I've heard it said in

usually in combination with "bodge job" meaning something thats often thrown together with the premise of "if it works, it's perfect"

[safe dragon]

the art of the bodge

I think that's a tom scott video

[hushed raven]

The emoji keyboard! it is indeed

[sand frost]

Remember when you convinced me that I should use functions instead of having one massive file?

[hushed raven]

(thank you for reminding me, I need to split my current workings up sooner rather than later as to not be unreadable)

[rain apex]

Is this pos or neg

[cinder karma]

Fwiw in the same way I like my opus magnus solutions to be elegant and pretty

I like my code to be clean, consise, and beautiful

It's nevertheless never that but it IS a goal

[hushed raven]

If the code is to be available and shown to others, that is the goal, and I will put extra effort into making it so, but if it's just for myself, it gets tossed in willy nilly with no coherent rhyme or reason

[cinder karma]

See, my future self deserves love

My current self only deserves pain

[sand frost]

Positive lol

Atra got me to make my code slightly less terrible

[cinder karma]

(That said.... modding code is hobby code. It doesnt need to be good.)

[rain apex]

But atra if there's warn when i build me mod i lose 0.5hp

[cinder karma]

Oh there is so many warning on my mod repo and all of them are from my style guide

Stylecop

Telling me I forgot to documentation

Jail for Atra for a thousand years?

https://www.youtube.com/live/z-j1uxBmis0?si=k0DdcupQtaCUIk3s

[devout vault]

If you get a thousand, how many am I in for

[little furnace]

Me? Basically, I was bored with basic IT classes in school and never really cared for the theory, but coding was fun, so I did it more and more and started doing projects and while I care about my code being of good quality and all, I still feel like I'm not a true programmer because I never really went to programming school or something. But seeing how "real programmers" behave, I somehow feel less like a fake programmer.

[safe dragon]

we're actually all fake programmers

[pliant snow]

Damn if all this code around here passes maybe im not so bad 💅

[cinder karma]

I'm not even a professional programmer

[weak obsidian]

Rust does not exist

It cannot hurt you

[devout vault]

so true

[pliant snow]

Thats what i whisper to my car

[cinder karma]

Good morning!

What's your third favorite video game

[rain apex]

Watching ppl play opus magnum

[cinder karma]

Chue I've been watching the 2026 tourney streams lol

[pliant snow]

There are opus magnum tournaments?

[cinder karma]

Yes!

https://youtu.be/g2ALmCrMkwY?si=AaBEdopbFD8wkY9q

[sand frost]

mini metro

[pliant snow]

Aria of Sorrow

[cinder karma]

Huh that game is 99c on google

[pliant snow]

Its fun

[cinder karma]

Python packaging deserves to die

We need to get shockah on the opus train

[rain apex]

Just venv trust

[pliant snow]

But our lord and savior uv

[safe dragon]

now owned by openai

[cinder karma]

Boss man didn't give us pip OR setuptools

Right now I'm adding entries to site-packages by hand

[dusty pollen]

no pip is mean

[hushed raven]

oh that's horrifying

[dusty pollen]

I could make do without everything else

mostly because I refuse to learn it in the first place

but no pip? heartless

[cinder karma]

If i want a package I have to dm him to ask for permission

That's why we dont have pip

[dusty pollen]

wait hold on

pip usually ships with python

[hushed raven]

That seems, so innefficient omg

[pliant snow]

You have to request to download a package?

[cinder karma]

But in this case I have a me written package I want to reuse

And python packaging is godawful but I was ljke "okay what if I make a local package"

And hit two walls immediately

[dusty pollen]

did they manually uninstall pip or something

[cinder karma]

(Yup, it's a security thing.)

[cinder karma]

Mate I wrote my own json parser that supports comments because of this

[pliant snow]

It doesnt ship with python, but most python installers include it

[dusty pollen]

that's what I meant by ships with tbh

[rain apex]

Well y'know what they say manually faffing about PYTHONPATH never hurt anyone

[dusty pollen]

is part of the same install

[cinder karma]

I did that!

That was my first attempt

[pliant snow]

What's stopping you from just going to pypi and manually downloading packages and putting them in your venv

[cinder karma]

But it turns out things are very bad

[hushed raven]

When we getting native json comments please, I hate having to use json5 to read and json to write, it's painful

[dusty pollen]

the threat of unemployment, I imagine

[cinder karma]

(Absolute and relative imports are very confused)

[frosty echo]

https://docs.python.org/3/library/ensurepip.html maybe?

[hushed raven]

find a new job, I hear the market has plenty of availability right now, brimming with space to be filled

[dusty pollen]

I find the fact that we all automatically assumed this was a purely technical limitation kind of funny now that I'm thinking about it

[red crest]

don't lump me into that assumption

[dusty pollen]

you were not "we all" because you weren't messaging 😌

[red crest]

i think atra has mentioned needing permission to do Anything in the past plenty of times, y'all just need to remember better /lh

[red crest]

you're supposed to sense my presence.

[dusty pollen]

I barely sense my own presence

[hushed raven]

Junimos have a psychic link, gotcha

[red crest]

thats more sensing you can dedicate to me then

relatively speakiung

[hushed raven]

-# speakiung

[rain apex]

In my last work I could get away with anything because I had write access to this 1 python script they put in the sudoers list (very app sec much wow)

[red crest]

yeah i was trying to finish typing before i sneezed. is it a problem that i prioritized talking to you over my own body, atlas.

[dusty pollen]

my last job just couldn't give a single shit

[safe dragon]

not me I've been trying to get something approved at my own job for weeks now

[dusty pollen]

we had zero access control on our machines

[red crest]

is your last job hiring

[sand frost]

my job does not deal in pip

[red crest]

it sounds like they have low standards which is ideal for me in terms of employment prospects

[sand frost]

i can install whatever i want

[dusty pollen]

probably not

and I got paid £15k/year

[cinder karma]

Look, boss man is nice and probably would have installed anything I wanted but he's on vacation today

[sand frost]

good 4 him

[rain apex]

Im not rly sure why this aint working out though

site-packages ain't real it's just a place ppl agree to put on the PYTHONPATH

[cinder karma]

If you do this you can't do relative imports

[dusty pollen]

python relative imports are so cursed

[cinder karma]

Yup

[rain apex]

Put ur current dir on there too or maybe dont u relative imports lol

[dusty pollen]

why can I only do them if I put a file with a specific name in a dir. what

[cinder karma]

Anyways I just went with editing ~/.local/lib/python3.12/site-packages

[dusty pollen]

js just lets you import whatever you want! like, possibly a little too much if we're being honest. but still!

[cinder karma]

I miss c#

Anyways

I just spent half an hour fighting python back to work

[dusty pollen]

I really love js require syntax because it feels way too permissive

[cinder karma]

I would love c# but VS licenses are expensive

I would love rust

But python is the common language

Anyways

Godspeed, programmers

[devout vault]

Why do you need vs

Like, there’s no commercial license of vscode right?

Even if it’s not as good for that

Or dotnet build for that matter

[cinder karma]

(I can get away with a lot i just choose not to)

[cinder karma]

Okay but then I would need to learn to not use VS with c#

[devout vault]

True 😔

At least it wouldn’t involve python

[rain apex]

I enjoy crab but I would not use it for dum scripts

Python is the optimal dum scripts language tbh since it -2 rules

[cinder karma]

Look chue normally I would be happy but python packaging sucks

I'm just mad pls ignore me

Unless you have a cat or dog picture handy

[devout vault]

No pets where I am at the moment 😔

[cinder karma]

Alright

Back to writing silly scripts