programmers-off-topic

[supple ether]

Well I wouldn't want someone to steal my blog post /jk

I do use the helper method, but the "marker attribute problem" refers to how the marker attributes necessary to use that pattern are provided to the client assembly

(I'll talk a bit about my solution on the next post, on mobile so home a sec)

[devout vault]

Ah, that

I think I'm currently using a shared project, but I have wondered if you could just... generate an output with it

Like, not dependent on anything else. Just add it

[supple ether]

Basically the existing solutions are either "embed it in the client assembly via the generator" or "use a secondary library that both reference", though both options have some downsides

My solution is based on the ConditionalAttribute, which when used on attributes, strips that attribute from your code when the specified compile flag is not set. It's not documented when exactly this occurs in the build process, but through experimentation I discovered that it occurs after source generators are processed.

This means that you can essentially create a library of ephemeral compile-time-only attributes that are accessible as markers but absent from the compiled binary. This way, you can easily reference it as a library during development, but do not need to ship the attributes with your code, since the references are stripped out.

[devout vault]

Interesting

[supple ether]

As far as I can tell nobody else has tried this technique and it is not documented anywhere, but I've been using it successfully for my own sourcegen

[devout vault]

I really should use ConditionalAttribute more

As far as I can tell nobody else has tried this technique and it is not documented anywhere
feels like most of sourcegen stuff every time I look up how to do something weird with it

(or even not weird a lot of the time)

There's just no docs on the sort of structure of the syntax tree and stuff that I could find

Or like, how to get <x> information if you have <y> and <z>

[supple ether]

Yeah

There is a syntax tree tool in vs that is very helpful though

Makes things much easier, though I didn't find it for a while

Sourcegen stuff is just not very thoroughly documented

[devout vault]

I keep forgetting about it because it's so out of the way

[supple ether]

I know I'm probably the only person using StarModGen right now, but I am proud of what I've managed to do with it so far

[devout vault]

I'd ask for a reminder on what all that provides, but that's too on topic here and I have pending pings in #[REDACTED FOR ON TOPIC]

[sand frost]

I have made one (1) post ever on mine

[hushed raven]

Same as the exchange rate with exposure to rent

[prisma flume]

i'd know the smell anywhere. that's a very certain sort of green

[fast stirrup]

I haven‘t seen a platform that directs what you post on another platform.

[red crest]

@fast stirrup Neither the account discussed in that tweet nor the source of the tweet itself are appropriate for this server.

[elfin orbit]

stardew valley tiled code tutorial Can someone help me? It loads the map, but when I try to step on the map to enter another one, the black loading screen appears, but then it reverts to the map that was already loaded.It won't go to the custom map, can someone help me with this?

[hushed raven]

Head on over to #making-mods-general , they'll be able to help you more

[vivid python]

funny gen alpha number

[safe dragon]

advanced programming truly

[hushed raven]

The dolphin file browser is infuriating, trying to find a folder that you don't know based on the last modified time is impossible, it doesn't propergate the last modified to parent directories at all, arghh

[safe dragon]

propergate is funny to me

[hushed raven]

I blame my accent for that one XD

and the fact english isn't phonetic, annoyingly XD

[safe dragon]

also yeah I'm not a fan of dolphin

[hushed raven]

what file browser do you use? I'm not particularly attached so I would defo like to try some others, I just have no idea what I'm looking for in one

[devout vault]

I think dolphin is pretty great, but it does have a monopoly on the GameCube emulator market

/me runs away

[cinder karma]

ls

[safe dragon]

thunar mostly

it's ok

I also use yazi sometimes for terminal file stuff

[dusty pollen]

I use nemo

the reason is that it was presumably near the top of the list of file managers when I chose one at random

10/10 would continue using

[dusty pollen]

but also isn't this a linux filesystem thing? the last modified time on a dir is the last modification of the dir itself, not its content I believe

[hushed raven]

Really? that's not what I would've expected, I guess it doesn't help that I'm not the most familiar with the file system, like I know a decent amount but some things still slip my mind

[cinder karma]

You should use a find cmd tbh

[dusty pollen]

iirc the tl;dr is that in linux pretty much everything is a file, including directories. so the mtime is the last modification of that file

but I could be wrong

[cinder karma]

Surprising lack of gifs today

[dusty pollen]

that's because sts2 doesn't do gifs 😌

[cinder karma]

Slay the spire 2?

[red crest]

First atra plays a video game, now they recognize video game acronyms? what's next?

[cinder karma]

I only know because quill bought it recently

Anyways, back to knitting

[hushed raven]

I thought that ideology didn't apply to directories, I know it applies to hardware though, which I think I like?

[cinder karma]

mapquest survived?

[little furnace]

ZFS seems to update the properties of directories.

[long verge]

It's been 3 weeks and I keep seeing it, my life is ruined

[dusty pollen]

[hushed raven]

it seems to be fixed for me but I'm now using millennium with a custom skin

[long verge]

not for me sadly

[hushed raven]

I'm glad I really was able to inflict the pain for much longer than I originally intended XD

[long verge]

[long verge]

The bug is specifically occuring on games you can stream (the ones with the dropdown button next to it)

[cyan shadow]

I bought it and immediately started playing the first one instead, even

[dusty pollen]

I have never seen one of those weird

[little furnace]

You can also notice it when it's updating, because it will also have that drop-down menu next to it.

[little furnace]

Which theme are you using?

[hushed raven]

Currently using ATOMS, but it's slowly being customised to change some things

[little furnace]

Oh, okay. I'm using Material. It's one of the only ones I can comfortable use.

[cinder karma]

hey atlas

that is every last achievement

I really don't want to finish teh journal

[safe dragon]

I've still never played a single game of sigmar's garden

or finished at least

[little furnace]

Better.

[cinder karma]

Tbh the variant in the DLC is my favorite

[prisma flume]

hmmm i preferred arrêter

[cinder karma]

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-00893-2

God i hate 2026

[little furnace]

Honestly, it's better than 2020 and 2021.

People said 2016 was bad, but I barely remember that.

[errant comet]

I don't remember anything before 2020

Somehow

[little furnace]

Remember how the world was supposed to end in 2012?

[prisma flume]

just me, my empty desktop, a scenic vista, no windows open, and the word Minimise

[red crest]

very Minimalist of you

[devout vault]

That's the terraform menu. Specifically, the "flatten this dang mountain" button

[cinder karma]

neither of these are good but I'm proud of them anyways

[prisma flume]

my next win11 complaint is pressing the calculator key on my keyboard opens a calculator and flashes the taskbar icon red, but doesn't actually focus the calculator so it just sits there having a sook

or a disco. i guess the flashing might not be angry

[fleet wren]

oh i love the hex arm on the second one

[cinder karma]

I am very proud. (I also think it's hilarious)

the downside is that it's slow

[hushed raven]

I did have a look at material, usually most of the stuff I use follows the material design spec but it just felt too Google for my liking, felt more like Stevia (or whatever the Google cloud gaming thing was called) XD

[safe dragon]

stevia lmao

the famous Google artificial sweetener

[hushed raven]

It sounded something like that XD

I did think "this sounds like a sweetener" but I thought I was thinking of steviol

[little furnace]

Stevia is the German name for steviol.

[little furnace]

I need something that supports light mode, which means I have five options, one of which is paid.

Ignore that, the paid one always shows, even though it doesn't support light mode.

[hushed raven]

The original one I wanted to use was also paid which was a bit annoying to see XD

ATOMS does have a way to customise the colours, they're all CSS vars and it can loaded from a config.css, I'll have a play around and see if it can truly be light mode

[prisma flume]

afaik stevia is the name of the plant that produces steviol

[little furnace]

Everything is CSS, but I don't really want to invest a lot of effort. And I really like Material design, actually.

[prisma flume]

Minimise is still onscreen. i've accepted it's here and it keeps me company while i do sdv things and play games

[little furnace]

Can you restart explorer.exe?

[prisma flume]

i mostly dislike material since it's just alegria art for google ecosystems

[hushed raven]

🎵 You got a friend in me(nimise) 🎵

[prisma flume]

no i don't wanna be alone

not that i particularly like a great deal of resemblant/tangible/whatever the word is, but material is very lifeless. i do quite like that aero is coming back in a fashion as mica glass

[hushed raven]

to pull material has on me is pretty much entirely that it's accessible from the get go

I do really like mica glass though,

[red crest]

Do you have ILSpy open

[prisma flume]

no, but oddly opening task manager made it go away. the computer feels threatened

[red crest]

Darn, my hunch squashed
ILSpy loves to place "No matches found!" over every single window I have open if I accidentally leave a Ctrl F search bar open

[modest jewel]

who's modding

hmu

[steel kraken]

no modding in this channel

[modest jewel]

its like programmin

a mod

[hardy jewel]

#making-mods-general is our stardew valley mod chat! this channel is for non-sdv programming

[little furnace]

This channel is for programming? I thought it was for Opus Magnum and cats?

[safe dragon]

I mean both are pretty close to programming

[ancient hemlock]

There's a concerning lack of GOPHERS in the programming channel

[hushed raven]

why are so many things timing out today, so many registrars just don't seem to want to work

[devout vault]

Historically, VS has always been the culprit for me. Not lately though.

Now, that black box that occasionally hangs out over the desktop? No clue.

The full-program-sized white box that manifests even more often? Also no clue

Cursed idea of the day: if I told VS a file was for “c# additional input” but not compilation, I bet I could implement macros (like C/++) with a source generator…

[safe dragon]

this is a rust channel

[crystal wren]

Yeah, that dangling tooltip thing used to happen so randomly for me.

Sometimes a graphics driver restart fixed it, but restarting explorer.exe pretty much never did.

[devout vault]

sprays crab repellant

[cinder karma]

Look half the channel for the last week have been gifs for a different game

Only replaced with avif when the gif spam started crashing the channel

Anyways

[cinder karma]

As aestheic as the hex arm is, it is the slow point

I suspect I should be building the half shell earlier

How are we doing this lovely chilly morning

[safe dragon]

I'm a little cold

[devout vault]

Mozart is currently against code crimes, it seems

[hushed raven]

Nabbed a new domain finally for general tat I don't want on my main domain, so thats fun, but seconded on the chilly

Hi Mozart!

[cyan shadow]

Only a little? It's so cold today!

I'm currently a blanket creature because brrr

[safe dragon]

We went out to look at a potential home my sister might hopefully get to purchase

was cold

[devout vault]

Apparently [MethodImpl(MethodImplOptions.AggressiveOptimization)] is a thing. Anyone know how useful it is?

[safe dragon]

I've never seen anything get any faster from using it

but I also have no idea what I'm doing

[steel kraken]

Considering SMAPI turns off JIT Tiered compilation, I'm not sure how much it can do

[safe dragon]

wtf

[devout vault]

ejects it from my memory

[safe dragon]

I assume that's because of a limitation not a grudge

[hushed raven]

it would be funnier if it was a grudge though

[devout vault]

It's Pathos, so almost definitely not a grudge

[hushed raven]

-# frudge

[safe dragon]

tiered compilation absolutely can have massive effects on performance

[steel kraken]

It's the version of harmony used. the newer version which uses monomod detours can track JIT tier compilation and rehook them

[safe dragon]

[devout vault]

Crumble's favorite thing to not want to ever hear us talk about.

The crimes involved in modding

[steel kraken]

Pathos did have a commit at one point to bump the harmony version, but it has regression with a few mods because harmony added extra validation to transpilers which a few mods hit

[cinder karma]

I thought it was the other way around

It helps if tiered is disabled

[devout vault]

We already have a custom harmony version, he could just remove that validation...

[cinder karma]

There are certainly comments in my code musing about removing it

[hushed raven]

sooo a major update which would make many mods incompatible already would be a good time to change it?
stares at 1.7

[devout vault]

The stuff I read when I googled it was mainly about how it affects things when tiered is on

[safe dragon]

I'm used to it now

[steel kraken]

I did suggest that as a possible option. But I think the risk of regression spooked him enough to want to hold off for SMAPI 5.x

[safe dragon]

I assume modders are also excited about .net 11's async no longer turning any async code into state machine soup

by moving async into the CIL itself

[devout vault]

I wonder if they fixed that by going to the soup store

[steel kraken]

Technically a .NET10 feature that is dormant, but yeah .NET 11's progress to make it real and have stuff start to use it will be massive

[safe dragon]

I don't think you can even enable it in .NET 10

but yeah that's actually the thing I am most excited about for .NET 11

as someone who pretty much solely works in async code

[steel kraken]

Past me's life would have benefited from it a bit.

[devout vault]

<<< DUMB JOKE WARNING >>>
-# || You telling me a sink coded this soup? ||

[safe dragon]

😌

[devout vault]

Speaking of mod crimes, I wonder why I'm getting over 850 Exception thrown: 'System.ArgumentException' in System.Private.CoreLib.dll whenever I launch the game

(the answer is once again harmony, but I don't know beyond that)

[cyan shadow]

was it a good home? keeping my fingers crossed for her if she decides to bid!

[safe dragon]

oh she's bidding unless it turns out the building is actually filled with permanent toxic gas or something

[cinder karma]

Good luck!

[cyan shadow]

hopefully the overbid isn't by too much

[safe dragon]

it'd be a massive improvement for her

god uh

it's pretty bad rn I believe

[cyan shadow]

yeahhh it'll be a lot i suppose

there'll be more houses on the market if she waits but if she's already getting to try for this one, no point in waiting

[safe dragon]

there's a few aspects of the home that brought the price down that don't really matter to my sister so it's cheaper than one would expect

[cyan shadow]

that's good, at least!

[cinder karma]

Asbestos?

[safe dragon]

my sister would in fact care about asbestos lmao

I guess we don't know if the home is asbestos free but it's quite likely

we just looked at the outside

[cyan shadow]

if it's post 70s then it'll be fine

[safe dragon]

the viewing isn't till 2 weeks from now

it's post 70s... just barely

[cyan shadow]

it's only those shitty ones built immediately after the war that have it

[safe dragon]

like mine!

🎉

[hushed raven]

that reasoning falls apart quickly in the UK XD

[cyan shadow]

well i hope yours has been cleared out then

[safe dragon]

no asbestos anymore thankfully

[cyan shadow]

yeah i only meant it in the context of the netherlands

it's advice a realtor gave my thesis supervisor and she passed it to me

[safe dragon]

the main big downside for people is that car access to this home is abysmal. There's a children's playground directly in front of your home instead with fairly limited parking off to the side of the street

but my sister can't drive

so ez

[cinder karma]

This is what I recall

[cyan shadow]

w

til jit is a verb now

[safe dragon]

it's not

but we'll use it like that anyway

[cyan shadow]

anything is a verb if you try hard enough tbh

[cinder karma]

Crumble will we get pretty avif from you

Including the word tryharding

[hushed raven]

if you english with enough lack of care you certainly can XD

[safe dragon]

I did just set up my home server to convert videos to hevc but not av1

[cyan shadow]

I speak C2 English, I will English with as little care as I want!

[safe dragon]

idk when I'll play opus magnum again

[safe dragon]

so it's in fact often worse

exciting

[hushed raven]

exactly what most people should do XD

[cinder karma]

Walked past this car

[cyan shadow]

especially since I had to go through all the trouble of proving that I speak C2 English

do you know how expensive that stupid exam is??????????

[safe dragon]

toyoda is my favorite car brand

[hushed raven]

it's so expensive! more so than it really needs to be

[safe dragon]

is that a cybertruck or are there more cars that copied that bland design

[cinder karma]

It's a cyber truck

[cyan shadow]

my certificate expired too so if someone asks me to do it again I'm gonna be like
bruh
pay for the exam

[safe dragon]

wait where the fuck is the license plate

[cyan shadow]

weg

[safe dragon]

did you carefully photoshop it out

[cyan shadow]

fell off on the highway

[sand frost]

Radon is generally mitigate able

[cinder karma]

TX only requires one but on the back

[cyan shadow]

I like my reason better

[safe dragon]

texas is DUMB

[hushed raven]

that's so different wtf

[cyan shadow]

FUCK I DROPPED CURRY ON MY TSHIRT

[safe dragon]

oh no

[cinder karma]

I use it in Stardew land because Stardew turned off JIT anyways

[hushed raven]

RIP tshirt

[cinder karma]

But not out of Stardew land

[cyan shadow]

yeahhh rip tshirt

[cinder karma]

Anyways

Atlas did you see my stupid hex wheel storage

[hushed raven]

or just tiedye it with more curry, different kinds, bonus points for it smelling nice too XD

I have not, bare with I shall find it

[sand frost]

Always great when this happens

I’m looking at buying a house right by a hospital, which some people don’t like

[cinder karma]

#programmers-off-topic message

[sand frost]

But I’m very pro easy hospital access and don’t care about noise

[cinder karma]

The one on the right

[safe dragon]

my current home is pretty much around the corner from a hospital but that was brought as a selling point

[hushed raven]

Oooo very nice!

[sand frost]

I have learned a lot about houses and how they work

[safe dragon]

surprisingly almost never hear ambulances

[cinder karma]

I personally wouldn't but a friend did for the most hilarious reason....

[sand frost]

Some of it is rather specific to my location tho

[cinder karma]

Best grid stability in the area!

[safe dragon]

I guess ambulances usually don't use their sirens near the hospital itself or something idk I never really realized this till now

[hushed raven]

A lot of things people would class as a negative I would very much class as a positive, as close as possible to a train station usually gets prices down tremendously

[safe dragon]

I live basically next to a hospital but still go to the GP in my hometown because I can't find one in my city and haven't for years

🙏

[sand frost]

Really! Train stations are so good tho

I guess right next to is perhaps inconvenient

[safe dragon]

I also live around the corner from a train station!

[sand frost]

But a block or two seems good

[safe dragon]

that was also considered a selling point though

[cinder karma]

Train station you pay a premium here

[hushed raven]

Noise pollution is a big one for train station, but I sleep like a log so theres no chance of them waking me up

[safe dragon]

I mean if your apartment is genuinely right above the train track then I get that

[cinder karma]

I've downgraded from "on the red line" to "okay within a biking radius" to "electric bike radius?"

[hushed raven]

that is indeed what I mean, I would love it, cheaper and quick acess, absolutely grand

[safe dragon]

but cars have worse noise pollution the moment you're pretty much any real distance from the track (assuming there's noise barriers but idk I think those are a legal requirement in my country)

[sand frost]

I think in the US trains are louder because there’s more grade crossings

So they blow the loud noise machine

[hushed raven]

I've never heard of noise barriers but I'm not a train technician or a railway planner so I'm not sure if they're needed near me

[safe dragon]

there's a big ass social housing apartment complex that was recently built at the train station here

[cinder karma]

Wait do u mean train train or light rail

I just think light rail

[hushed raven]

Choo Choo train, steam and diesel, cargo and passengers

[sand frost]

Around here all we got is train train

[safe dragon]

noise barriers are around highways too... Just walls that keep the noise from traffic inside/reflect them up into the air instead to make the environment around it less noisy

they're everywhere

at least they should be?

[hushed raven]

I'm guessing light rail is things like trams and underground? I don't think theres any near me

[safe dragon]

light rail is I think a US term for trams yeah

no trams in my city. Too small for them to make sense really

[sand frost]

I’m no sure we’re consistent about what’s a tram

[cinder karma]

Lol

[sand frost]

But yeah something like that

[cinder karma]

Basically suburban commuter rail

[safe dragon]

we mix metro and tram terminology a fair bit at times

[cinder karma]

Very quiet

[safe dragon]

but trains are trains

the rotterdam metro is mostly above ground

but they also have a tram network

which is separate

so it's a metro anyway

[hushed raven]

beeeg trains, lovely things

[cinder karma]

Selph come here and sell us on openttyl

[safe dragon]

train

love em

would be unable to get to work otherwise

[hushed raven]

omg it's such a dinky train! I love it!

[sand frost]

God I wish trains were better here

It doesn’t make financial or time-wise sense to take them here

[cinder karma]

(This is why I want to be on the red line.)

If i was i could take the train

[safe dragon]

trains here are ungodly expensive to travel on but my employer is legally required to pay for it so

[sand frost]

Even going to the airport requires a bus

[safe dragon]

people by car just get some set amount per kilometer they live from work, scrubs

I get travel fully refunded

considering it's like 200 euros a month...

despite working from home 2 days a week

[cinder karma]

That's wild

We dont get travel to and from work reimbursed

[cyan shadow]

my mom used to get her commute reimbursed at her last two jobs

not this one though

which is unfortunate because it's an hour and a half each way in rush hour traffic

tbh if her back was healthy she'd take the bus, so then her travel would be free anyway

but she can't handle the bus without ending up in pain afterwards so she can't use it

[little furnace]

That's a vicious cycle. Cars are really bad for your back. I hope she somehow finds a solution.

[cyan shadow]

She has a support brace thing that she wears

the bus is difficult because 1. crowded, 2. the seats lowkey suck

and the non-aircon ones rattle

[little furnace]

What about an electric bike? I know many people who went from car to bike like that.

[cyan shadow]

she uh

lives in India

in a major city

that's not an option

there are no bike lanes

[little furnace]

That doesn't sound good.

[cyan shadow]

if she were here in NL with me, then sure

but yeah

the company is planning to move out of that stupid wework so they'll end up closer to where she lives most likely

[little furnace]

Yay.

[cyan shadow]

yeee

I really hope they move lol she has to pass through some of the busiest areas in the city to go to work

at least she doesn't go everyday

[heavy dagger]

@devout vault: make happy duggy for april fools (28d ago)

[cinder karma]

well, since Elizabeth did do a 5k, I will figure out building bridges

[hushed raven]

Oooo! bridge building! what kind?

[safe dragon]

poly bridge is great

[hushed raven]

Poly bridge is such a good game

[little furnace]

Huh. I have it. Who would have thunk?

[hushed raven]

wait I have polybridge? I could've played it this entire time instead of watching it on youtube?

wow, we are so unaware of our libraries

[little furnace]

It has histograms?!

Does it have a GIF maker?

[hushed raven]

According to google, apparently so!

[cinder karma]

gifs, histograms, what more do you want out of a game

also, like

I'm laughing becuase you can go 50% above budget

[little furnace]

Kinda unrealistic. 500% seems more likely.

[red crest]

it's ok the budgets have safety margins priced in

a good engineer will let you go 200 or 300% over budget just fine

[safe dragon]

if something is built within budget, something was probably cheaped out on and I'd get suspicious

[cinder karma]

elizabeth am I allowed to be engineer

(this passed.)

[safe dragon]

eh who needs it anyway

[cinder karma]

it has gifs but are social media dependent so

[little furnace]

I was able to set a GIF directory in the settings.

[cinder karma]

oh I see

oh I should have avif'ed that huh

for a teensy bit of on topic a mod that I think CA should somewhat consider is DailyScreenshot and friends.

[hushed raven]

it's onl 400kb should be alright

[cinder karma]

because there's something stupidly satisfying about seeing your stardew save improve over time

[hushed raven]

Oh 100% I love games that have something like it, I installed a factorio mod for it and it was so good seeing my base expand tremendously

[cinder karma]

I'm quite sure that without the gif engine opus would not be nearly as popular

[sand frost]

Lmao definitely yes

[heavy dagger]

@devout vault: do this for april fools (40d ago)

[devout vault]

I guess it really is time for the april fools reminders. That's the second one

[cinder karma]

I like this bridge. it looks very bridge.

very aesthetic

we here at #programmers-off-topic grade games by aesthetic and presence of histograms.

[devout vault]

adds "histograms" to my "required feature for game ideas" list

[safe dragon]

eventually poly bridge bridges won't look much like bridges anymore

[long verge]

Does this hurt the boat passengers ?

[little furnace]

I'm way too stubborn. I'm at level 3 and won't settle for second place on the friends leaderboard.

Worth it.

[cinder karma]

bridge

[hushed raven]

Yeet

[hushed raven]

Am I on that leader board? BC apparently I have 5.5 hours in the game, I will be shocked if it didn't get to level 3 XD

[safe dragon]

don't think I spent much time on my poly bridge solutions

[little furnace]

Nope? You sure you didn't somehow get stuck on the tutorial? \s

[hushed raven]

I probably did XD

5 hours is a lot to not be on the leaderboard, wow, well done past be for not being a bridge connoisseur

[little furnace]

You apparently did the first level.

[cinder karma]

sure, just crash into the bridge, how do I do hydrolyics

[little furnace]

Who needs hydraulics?

Help, my bridge crashed.

...

[long verge]

Microsoft cutting cost but it runs on their machine :

[long verge]

poor biker

[steel kraken]

oh we are bridge-game now? I might be able to join in then

[terse galleon]

i used a bridge-building program like this in middle school but i can't for the life of me find it

[prisma flume]

probably Bridge Constructor unless you mean a flash game

[hushed raven]

Tomorrow was going to be a modding and website day, but it seems it may be a bridge day, which I'm not against

[devout vault]

-# civil-engineers-off-topic

[prisma flume]

well someone had to program these games, and someone's gotta find out the results

[devout vault]

Yeah, I get that polytopia is a hidden indie gem that nobody has heard of /s

(It's in my library??????)

(the humble bundle era's effects linger to this day, it seems)

[terse galleon]

it is not but that search actually did let me find it: west point bridge design

[prisma flume]

honestly not sure if i've ever played a game from a humble bundle even after all those years

[cinder karma]

polytopia?

[rain apex]

gang why is this illegal https://dotnetfiddle.net/0ygqwP

using System;
using System.Reflection;

public struct TestSize
{
    public int Width;

    public int Height;

    public int Area => Width * Height;

    public TestSize(int width, int height)
    {
        Width = width;
        Height = height;
    }
}
                    
public class Program
{
    public static void Main()
    {
        PropertyInfo propInfo = typeof(TestSize).GetProperty("Area")!;
        MethodInfo propGet = propInfo.GetGetMethod()!;
        Func<TestSize, int> propGetDel = propGet.CreateDelegate<Func<TestSize, int>>();
    }
}

if i use a class instead of struct (i.e. not value type) it's fine

[cinder karma]

weird

[devout vault]

Wonder if its boxing related

[prisma flume]

as far as i'm concerned, structs are illegal

wretched things

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #7799 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1487964337543843842)

[rain apex]

Do u think i can do what i want with a dynamic method instead

I just wanna call this getter

[rain apex]

Wait why does it just work without the struct

[cinder karma]

wierd

[fleet wren]

ngl this sounds like something you tag Jon Skeet on StackOverflow for

[rain apex]

who dat

[fleet wren]

https://toggl.com/blog/save-princess-8-programming-languages

I'm not on SO but apparently back in the old days if you ask a C# question there's a good 75% chance he replies

s/back in the old days//

he's still active lol

[little furnace]

I have to be honest, I have never used LINQ. I just started coding, realized I liked the language and by the time I've realized that it exists it was already too late. Sunken cost fallacy and all that.

[fleet wren]

it's fine, linq syntax is deeply evil

[cinder karma]

Linq is fine

Just slow

[rain apex]

linq is just functional programming

[little furnace]

Okay, nevermind, I will never learn it.

[cinder karma]

Functional

Kinda like sql

A bit funky. A bit fun

Not, unfortunately, zero cost

[fleet wren]

there's linq the functions and linq the syntax; the former is fine

[cinder karma]

YouTube has seen to give me the old opus magnus

Competitons

These are fascinating bits of history

[little furnace]

I only take my fun byte-sized, thank you very much.

[cinder karma]

Please, if you cant spare me 32 bits I dont wanna play

Some of the journal puzzles are old tournament puzzles

(Including one i haven't solved)

[dusty pollen]

[worn remnant]

my major objection to linq is they called the functions Select and Where instead of Map and Filter

[prisma flume]

well it is meant to be rougly equivalent to sql

and map-filter makes me think typescript and python and i hate

[worn remnant]

i know it's based on sql. that's what i don't like

map and filter are good names, and select and where are not. qed

i do hate python though, we can have that in common

[prisma flume]

imo map and filter are poor names, when i see 'map' i think the data type instead of taking a subset, and 'filter' is ambiguous to whether you're including or excluding

i prefer the natural language of select-where

[worn remnant]

we can go around forever. imo "select" is ambiguous and could easily mean the equivalent of filter/where, and in fact i routinely think this and have to second-guess it when writing linq

[prisma flume]

ts does use 'reduce' which is maybe the one interesting method name i agree with in their linq equivalent

[devout vault]

Is map meant to be taking a subset?

(besides the datatype, as first-learned-with-C++ er)

I think where makes more sense, but select has always seemed odd to me since I usually use it in a not-SQL way. (I also stick to the function version, though)

[worn remnant]

map is linq's select. map each thing onto a different value, often taking one of its data members or similar

[devout vault]

Yeah, at least select I don't have preexisting association with it

Map == Dictionary in my brain. thanks C++

I usually do select for a transform rather than a subset (as blueberry described it)

[worn remnant]

yeah that's what it's for

[devout vault]

I can see the logic in what you just said also just realized you're ichor not iro but ANYWAYS, but it don't fit my brain

[prisma flume]

yeah my brain was in the next sentence already when writing that, that's filter lol

[devout vault]

I should really be sleeping though

The stuff I need is users.Where( u => u == kittycatcasey).Select( kittycatcasey as SleepingUser )

-# yes I know that was terrible. I did say I should be sleeping

[prisma flume]

the real crime is ts using Some and Every instead of Any and All

[devout vault]

…are those a thing??????????

[prisma flume]

sure, cs even lets you use list.Any() as an equivalent to Count > 0

[devout vault]

No I meant Some and Every

But I see I missed “TS”

(I assume typescript?)

[prisma flume]

yeees

[devout vault]

I do use Any occasionally

All is a bit rarer

I’m going to go find dreams.Any() though. Zzzzzzz

[prisma flume]

thread.Sleep(28800000)

[steel kraken]

any is nice mainly as it can let efcore and stuff optimize out steps

[dusty pollen]

ichor here, in a way the map function is adjacent to the dictionary type maps, it's a map from a value to a value

just the function has that be done arbitrarily rather than specifically mapping to a pre-stored value

[candid plume]

Hey, I wanna get y'all's thoughts about learning a code language, what would be best for UX Design, which do y'all recommend for it/ and which would you say is like the "easiest to learn" as a complete beginner?

[dusty pollen]

what kind of app is the UX design for? (mobile, web app, game, etc)

tbh in places where there's a separate "UX designer" I think they aren't the most hands on development people, but that may have just been where I worked

[hushed raven]

How can you hate python?! I'm offended, hurt, crying my eyes out, and totally messing with you, I get how people dislike python, but it's so so useful

[steel kraken]

Html and css

[little furnace]

Honestly, you can use any language that has an UI framework. How much experience do you have in general?

[steel kraken]

I used to be team python a decade ago. But every time I try to use python it's just annoying.

With needing venv and other crap

[hushed raven]

I have had issue with venv before, until I realised It doesn't need to have a good path name, I now just run pip install <whatever> when it tells me externally managed environment, I copy and paste 'python -m venv path/to/venv' and it does it automatically.
The venv is a tad annoying but it's easier to set up than other languages I know, and is less abstracted from regular writing compared to compiled languages

[worn remnant]

i'm old and therefore i don't like useful things

[cinder karma]

Y'all speaking bad about 🐍 while I'm asleep

[cinder karma]

Anyways

[cinder karma]

It's like sql and sql is for enterprise programmers i tell myself

[safe dragon]

this is the bane of my existence

my colleagues are used to selections meaning filters

but when I say it I just mean the cells you selected in the table

[hushed raven]

that's what I would've assumed it would be, using it as filter seems like a whole bunch of issues could occur

[rain apex]

I know it's supposed to be sql like but then they have aggregate anyways...

The correct naming is obviously map/filter/foldr/foldl /lh

Also it's crime that linq doesn't have filter_map or selectwhere

[lethal walrus]

kotlin confuses me

why do i have to import a class's method

also i am not writing a crypto thing it's malware analysis that uses an ethereum smart contract as a c2

[hushed raven]

Pillow is a Crypto person confirmed

[lethal walrus]

im not against it but its not what im doing here lol

[hushed raven]

I'm kinda glad I didn't choose kotlin over java now, that seems so uneeded when it's already in there

[lethal walrus]

[lethal walrus]

magically makes symbols out of nowhere in callbacks and stuff

[safe dragon]

can't believe ur a crypto currency

[lethal walrus]

i forgot i was a crypto startup

of course thats a thing

[safe dragon]

stonks, as they say

[little furnace]

@cinder karma 7.9 km today.

[devout vault]

-# something something Chord

[hushed raven]

I could possibly use it now that I have some knowledge with java and C#

[crystal wren]

Sometimes I feel like actually kinda liking Java is a bit of a character flawsuper power.

[candid plume]

in UI u h n o n e 💀 i spent a little bit in JSfiddle and looked up starter codes

[little furnace]

Starting with UX is difficult because you will work on two levels: logic and UI. That can easily get overwhelming. I wouldn't recommend that.
However, as others have said, you can technically make a website (that isn't really coding, more like describing) and make a UI like that, but you then need to add JavaScript so that it actually does things.

[safe dragon]

figma is a more standard start for learning UX than an actual programming language

[cinder karma]

Nice!

[candid plume]

that’s what i’ve looked up but i’ve also seen it’s recommended to learn coding as well

[candid plume]

Just in general but i wanna work for any like mobile, app, software, etc. I’m in college rn and want to major is UX Design but trying to develop the skills early for at least experience wise and personal projects giving me at least a chance to land a good job after graduation

[long verge]

For web UX/UI : Figma is quite the norm for prototyping websites/web apps. It's quite complete.
You could also prototype PC Software/mobile apps UX on it I believe.
(Trying to replicate your prototype with HTML/CSS is great as others said)

For video games UX/UI : I guess you mostly want to mess around with Photoshop and an animation software, but you will probably have to understand game making and programming logic to understand the doabilty of your prototype ?

You'll pretty much learn as you go

[rain apex]

I think it's more about do u like the spaget

Knowing what a for loop does is helpful for all kinds of software dev

[long verge]

what ?

[rain apex]

Like the spaget or in other words do you enjoy the sort of logical structured thinking programming requires

[candid plume]

I will say i have a lot of experience with photoshop and adobe animate due to me being originally an animation major and then switched over

I do wanna work on mainly visuals however I lean more into working in the interface of like whatever(app,website, etc)

[candid plume]

Like learning the different programs during work?

[long verge]

No like learning the differents software/programming language you'll need when searching how to do something.

"Oh my HTML is only components, how do I stylize it ? Oh neat CSS.
"Hmm CSS isn't showing ? Oh I need to link it, cool"
"I want this button to have a special behavior when hovered. Oh I can do this with :hover great."
"How can I make this form actually working ? Oh Javascript"
"Eh this website is starting to be a mess, I should probably get a design beforehand. Let's look it up on Google. Oh this reddit user suggets Figma. Let's look it up on Google. Oh it looks great, I'll try it"

Your major will likely teach you all that in a structured way, but messing around is a great thing to do before

[little furnace]

5,294$.

[candid plume]

Thank u so much 🙏🙏🙏 i appreciate you

thank you too @little furnace 🙏🙏

[little furnace]

I didn't do much. Honestly, the only real advice I can give you is to experiment and see what you find fun.

[candid plume]

you said you’ve worked with UX designers? or are u also one?

[little furnace]

Me? Not really. Whenever we needed somebody who had to do UX design it was always me who did it because I enjoy thinking about workflows and such. But I don't really know anything theoretical, I just started doing it because it was fun.

[dusty pollen]

I think you're thinking of when I said I worked with a UX designer maybe? in which case, once (but it was a very interesting experience!)

[candid plume]

Oh mb !

[dusty pollen]

no worries!

[candid plume]

what do you work as if u don’t mind me asking?

[dusty pollen]

at the time I was an intern at a tech company with a very bullshit job title

but I basically did devops and some prototyping

[candid plume]

oooh

WAIT INTERN okay for internships do i need to automatically need the skills or is it okay if im still learning them but also taking up an intern

[dusty pollen]

the UX designer was incredibly dedicated and talented - he did actual controlled tests for which of two icons a button should have

[dusty pollen]

as an intern you should have between none and a bit of the skills required imo - if you had all the skills you should be getting paid the full salary for them

[candid plume]

(sorry for asking a lot of questions i’m like a sophomore almost junior in college and all i have gotten is ai summaries 🥀)

[dusty pollen]

and luckily in the tech world that is often more true than other industries

[little furnace]

What's a sophomore again?

[dusty pollen]

the tech world is also a lot better about internships being paid than other industries, which is good

third year iirc?

I think it goes freshman > junior > sophomore > senior

[worn remnant]

freshman-sophomore-junior-senior

[dusty pollen]

oops, other way around

[little furnace]

I'm in my fifth year, what's that?

[worn remnant]

TA

[little furnace]

What's that?

[dusty pollen]

we just have freshers here

[dusty pollen]

teacher's assistant, usually

[little furnace]

That's not really me. I did that part-time in my third year.

[dusty pollen]

I've also heard some americans call fifth years "fifth year seniors" or "super seniors" but idk if that's common

[little furnace]

What about sixth year? Seventh year? I will at least stay until ninth year, maybe longer.

[hushed raven]

Americans why are you sometimes so confusing

[dusty pollen]

this is all wild speculation from random internet nonsense btw, which clearly makes me the expert

[sand frost]

Both are common, it depends whether it’s a school that normally has 5th years

For example some schools have coop built in

[dusty pollen]

don't listen to what elizabeth is typing what does she even know about US universities she's only a professor /lh

[hushed raven]

schools with a shop built in are so good (and totally not the coop you mean)

[dusty pollen]

okay you agreed with me clearly you ARE an expert

[rain apex]

What's a sophomore

[candid plume]

wait if u don’t mind me asking how old are u?

[dusty pollen]

second year, and not a third year like some people would guess

[little furnace]

23? Is that young? Old? Most are older than me, I think.

[dusty pollen]

(some people)

[hushed raven]

23 is sooooo old

[candid plume]

I consider that young that’s usually when people graduate from their BAs here in the US

[hushed raven]

(at least I feel so old at 23 XD)

[candid plume]

25 is like old

[dusty pollen]

this is the ONE channel where I don't get called ancient atlas don't take this away from me

[candid plume]

man i feel old at 20 🥀

[candid plume]

BRO IVE BEEN CALLED AN UNC 😔😔😔

[rain apex]

baby

Ok so I did a 1.5yr long internship in 3rd to 4th year it was nice cus school succ

[candid plume]

god damn i thought they only were like 3-4 months 😭😭

[little furnace]

I first did one semester Computer Scinece before switching because they expected me to do maths. I'll be starting the eight semester Media Science soon (it usually only has six, but almost nobody does that), and then I'll do the Master's, which is another four years.

[rain apex]

It may be hard for u to find shit rn given Socialeconomics though

So besides intern stuff u should have random hobby things that are pretty and u can show employers

[dusty pollen]

mine was a year but some internships are 3 months

I did a gap year internship so I was 18

[hushed raven]

I was internshipless, entirely because my course has abolutely nothing to do with coding, to my now dismay

[rain apex]

I have a few react apps i made for games i used to play

In general if the goal is find job after bachelors then internship is good idea

The equivalent for staying in academia is working for ur profs

[cinder karma]

Teensy!

Anyways

Funny thing

I tend to believe any band existed roughly at the same time I started listening to their music

I also roughly started listening to music in the 2010s

So for the longest time I thought spice girls was 2010s

Same with Britney Spears

[little furnace]

I tend to believe any band existed roughly 40 years before I started listening to their music and usually I'm right about that.

[dusty pollen]

I don't listen to music and am always right, does that count

[little furnace]

Will you also be right when I ask you Music-related questions?

[dusty pollen]

well if I give an answer that makes it right

so yes 😌

I wrote actual code today guys

[hushed raven]

Code!

[little furnace]

Where does the band Boston come from?

[cinder karma]

Boston

[dusty pollen]

I'm going to blindly and confidently answer London

[little furnace]

I should have thought something funny to say now, but I've got nothing.

[hushed raven]

Let's see how right you get this one:
What rock icon was the founder of The Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Long-haired Men?

[dusty pollen]

one of the zz tops

once again answering with blind confidence

[cinder karma]

Paul

[little furnace]

McCartney?

[hushed raven]

That fact that you don't know a british icon is terrifying, it's bowie obviously!

[little furnace]

Kinda fitting: Where does the band America come from?

[dusty pollen]

also london 😌

[little furnace]

Correct!

[dusty pollen]

clearly one of the zz tops

tbf I guessed london knowing that there was a non zero chance that instead of hilariously wrong I would be hilariously right

[devout vault]

sounds like grad school

[dusty pollen]

okay but atlas and serenity do YOU know

uh

what country the beatles were from

bet you don't

[hushed raven]

Germany, for sure, gotta be, without a doubt

[little furnace]

They actually performed their first real gig in Germany, so yes.

[dusty pollen]

but do you know what a guitar is. check and mate

[hushed raven]

Volkswagen is a german company so I would say beetles are from germany

[hushed raven]

It's this! Go Fish!

[little furnace]

It's a violin but big.

[dusty pollen]

dammit you got me again

[little furnace]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles_in_Hamburg

[candid plume]

So get an internship after graduating college? Cause I was planning to do one during my senior year/ or when i got to university(im in community college rn)

[cinder karma]

Senior or junior year yss

[candid plume]

I appreciate you

Last question tho how well do I need to be good at for math T-T?

[hushed raven]

Great thing is the computer does most of the maths, so knowing about maths is useful, but actually being good at it isn't required

Unless you want to do physics simulations and things like it, in which case some maths is needed

[safe dragon]

or audio processing, image processing, graphics

[worn remnant]

a good handle on math(s) is extremely useful, with varying degrees depending on what you want to do with programming

i would say the bare minimum is you need enough algebra to understand what anybody is talking about when they mention big-O and algorithm complexity

[safe dragon]

if you're building retail software like I did in the past. You don't need to understand much more beyond knowing how to calculate a price with or without tax.
Though there's a lot of nastiness around distributing partial cents on shit like discounts

big O is useful though that's barely even math

you have to have the basic intution that something that scales n^2 is worse than something that scales n * log(n)

[hushed raven]

do you really even need to know about how big O works apart from memorising this?

wait no I guess you have to be able to recognise the complexity, nvm

[worn remnant]

not my favorite chart but i'd say it qualifies as algebra /lh

[safe dragon]

in uni I looked at some fucked up big Os

ones that were entire formulas

with more than 1 variable

you'd also have a k

[candid plume]

man i just need to know if i need to be good at college algebra for my future jobs in tech 🥀

[safe dragon]

nope

[candid plume]

if writing essays were to be my case i wouldnt be as worried 🥀

[hushed raven]

I wasn't good at it, and I'm doing alright I'd like to think

[worn remnant]

good at? no. but you should at least understand it enough that something resembling atlas's chart makes some sense to you

[safe dragon]

the biggest field in tech is web development and generally involves very little math

worst you'll find is a modulo operator

or some binary computations

[candid plume]

i do not understand any of this ^ my level of understanding is basis of algebraic equations and how to solve them, and having to memorize the quadratic formula

and geomentry but if i have a formula chart

like finding the radius or diameter or something to find the area of a circle I can def do that without having to refer to sum

[pliant snow]

Big O is just the science of having cleverer, quicker for loops

[cinder karma]

Not necessarily

I dont get discriminated unions :(

Ahhhh

(I understand how they work but as a language feature support for them is hit or miss)

[little furnace]

This basically means how long an algorithm takes depending on the number of elements.

Let's say you want to sort 100 randomly placed numbers. There are multiple methods to sort this smart people have figured out, and some are slow, some are fast. You usually try to say how long it would take such an algorithm on average to sort all numbers.

O(n) for example means that for n numbers (let's say 100) it takes n steps (again 100) to sort the numbers. O(n^2) means that for 100 numbers it would take 100^2 = 10,000 steps, which is much slower.

[marble jewel]

I kind of think that factoring equations uses the same parts of your as refactoring code

[stoic gazelle]

(100^2 is 10,000)

yeah, that strikes me as potentially true. Finding the ways to isolate specific tasks and separate them or move them around has the semblance of factoring an algebraic expression

[pliant snow]

The dreaded O(n^3)

[candid plume]

fuck factoring

factoring was a bitch of a unit

[cinder karma]

Yhere is also o(mfg)

[little furnace]

Did I ever mention that I hate maths?

[cinder karma]

||OH MY FUCKING GOD|| complexity

I'm one whole ass engineer who still uses wolfram alpha do do basic math, lol, because I'm very liable to be a factor of 10 off

[candid plume]

i’m sorry- i didn’t mean to piss you off 😭🙏

[fleet wren]

I dont think anyone's pissed here lol

also I'm obligated to "ackshually O notation doesnt exactly describe how long an algorithm takes, just how much the execution time grows as the input grows"

an algorithm that takes 100 years is O(1) if it always takes 100 years regardless of input

oh wait it was explained

ignore me i was reading too fast for my own good

[candid plume]

okie i thought i pissed someone off but saying fuck factoring 😅😅😅

[errant comet]

these factorings

are pissing me off

im the original

starwalker

[candid plume]

:O

https://tenor.com/view/star-lord-marvel-rivals-gif-5055596107618380006

[little furnace]

I should stop playing games with leaderboards.

[safe dragon]

lmao

[cinder karma]

Somehow mine are all super expensive :(

[little furnace]

What I enjoy about Bridge Constructor Portal is that I can just focus on the puzzle solving. Budget is unlimited and the simulation has less depth, so the goal is more trying to figure out where to build which bridge.

[cinder karma]

One thing I like about Opus is that I know what will happen before I press play

Like there isnt a physics engine

If i collide two atoms it is my fault

[little furnace]

Physics are complicated. Atoms are simple.

[sand frost]

I like that bridges simulator game gives you good intuitions for how bridges break

[thin estuary]

i'm buying Opus the next time it goes on sale

[sand frost]

i was scaring my student by talking about how i think parts of his truss in his bridge model would be under compression vs. tension

i blame bridge game for having this sense!

[cinder karma]

Isnt it currently on sale

[sand frost]

it doesn't look on sale to me

maybe i'll get it for my husband when it goes on sale 😛 and then play it myself

[fleet wren]

opus mentioned
in today's puzzle (I actually kinda like space limited puzzles; they're fun in their own way)

[cinder karma]

That's one of the ones that was a tourney!

[regal ingot]

ackshually, it describes an asymptotic bound on the worst case growth of the algorithm (i.e., the algorithm will perform no worse than this). Related measures are big-omega (best case growth – i.e., the algorithm can perform no better than this) and big-theta (tight bound, i.e., both best and worst case)

But everyone's explainations were just fine for all practical purposes.

[cinder karma]

https://youtu.be/SWrCiRfFLLw?si=5bKPbmE8yzmXYD1C

[heavy dagger]

@devout vault: maybe do that ^ (62d ago)

[cinder karma]

Let's re up this

.qp Are you a web developer

1. Yes
2. I'm a developer, but not a web developer
3. I'm not a developer
   --options 3

[sand frost]

Being a web dev is one of my greatest fears

Relatedly I don’t have a professional website

[red crest]

I wish I was a web dev

[cinder karma]

Pathos is a web dev

[sand frost]

To be clear, it is fine, even excellent that other people are web devs so that I don’t have to

Except for whoever works at my university’s website department

[cinder karma]

I still cant find our strays:(

:( :( :(

Also the gas station across the street seems very closed.

[cinder karma]

Pink Serenity, for u

okay, in one level I completed it despite the fact that the car ||flipped over and dumped all the passengers out||

[cinder karma]

the car surviving wthout inhabitants seems intentional

[cinder karma]

Shockah were YOU behind the new Opus Polish translation?

[thin estuary]

I wasn’t

[little furnace]

There is always one in the cabin, the other two are just sacrificable flavor. Sometimes I try to save them anyways.

[cinder karma]

I did originally and then got to a level where I definitely couldn't avoid flipping the car lol

Game needs a gif maker. I did consider pulling out licecap lol

[little furnace]

Windows has an in-built screen recorder. ⊞ + Shift + S and select video. Linux fully depends on your setup.

macOS I don't know.

[cinder karma]

I have LICECAP from my modding days

It's....decent.

[little furnace]

But it's open-source. And only supports proprietary GIFs...

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-obi-wan-now-thats-a-name-ive-not-heard-in-along-time-gif-11814407

I've been using ShareX for that for quite a while

[lethal walrus]

sharex was so nice but windows only 😔

and i really dont need adding sharex uploader compatibility to spectacle on my todo list

[little furnace]

OBS has script support, you could use that.

[devout vault]

I think I found an unofficial linux port during that brief period recently. But it was missing a lot of features

[lethal walrus]

they are working on an entirely ai generated official multiplatform version

which uh

[devout vault]

If it's entirely AI, why do they even have to work on it themself? /s

[worn remnant]

why expend effort when slop machine do trick

[lethal walrus]

XerahS is developed using agentic coding workflows. This project embraces AI-assisted development as a first-class engineering practice, leveraging tools like GitHub Copilot, Claude, and other AI agents to accelerate feature development, refactoring, and code quality improvements. The codebase is architected with bleeding-edge technologies (.NET 10, Avalonia 11.3+) and prioritizes patterns that maximize AI comprehension: strict nullability, exhaustive documentation, and standardized MVVM architecture.

[dusty pollen]

nobody who's spouted these buzzwords has ever explained why it's so important that people do use them. Like I know that-- hold on. bleeding edge .net 10?

I can't remember what is actually the latest .net

but I swear it's 11?

[devout vault]

Thought I had exactly Uint16.MaxValue for a moment. Alas, two digits are in the wrong order 😔

[devout vault]

11 is in preview right now, yeah

Noticed it yesterday when suffering from legacy framework compat stuff

(Because I downloaded the targeting pack, and so was on that page)

[devout vault]

But you know, I agree. Strict nullability isn’t actually important (/s I know that’s not the part you were referring to)

[cinder karma]

Your email gives me anxiety

[devout vault]

The other thing I don’t understand is, why is using several AI agents a good thing? Shouldn’t one suffice?

[cinder karma]

I can't

I can't so much

[devout vault]

It used to me too, but I gave up a long time ago

[dusty pollen]

anyway yes, it's one thing to say you accept them as code practices but a lot of places are genuinely requiring agentic practices which I genuinely don't get

nobody would ever require a dev to use snippets

[devout vault]

They would if it made shareholder go up…. Wait

[dusty pollen]

yeah, it's literally all for the metrics of "X% of our development is being done agentically now" to show shareholders, who presumably like it not only for the ai factor but also for the potential layoffs factor

[devout vault]

It’s like they saw the copy from stackoverflow memes, and instead of just this, they had to make it even worse

[dusty pollen]

except the ai thing didn't even really start with normal people, it was brands putting pineapples on their heads and then lobbing them at their employees at full speed

[fleet wren]

almost every dev friend I talk to mentions that their company now mandates some usage of AI in their development flow

it feels like tech corporations are having some form of collective AI insecurity

[devout vault]

Yeah I meant they replaced the pineapples (stackoverflow) with rotting pineapples (AI) along the way.

And then lob them at their employees at full speed, yes

[dusty pollen]

oh I get you now

[devout vault]

Something something rokos basilisk

[fleet wren]

exactly lmao, though replace "superintelligent AI" with "stock market"

[worn remnant]

the "turning the racism dial" tweet but it's corporations turning the ai dial at their shareholders

[hushed raven]

I love reading other peoples code and finding things like this

[worn remnant]

i like to leave them behind

[cinder karma]

https://fxtwitter.com/GergelyOrosz/status/2038985760175505491

Gergely Orosz (@GergelyOrosz)

This is either brilliant or scary:
︀︀
︀︀Anthropic accidentally leaked the TS source code of Claude Code (which is closed source). Repos sharing the source are taken down with DMCA.
︀︀
︀︀BUT this repo rewrote the code using Python, and so it violates no copyright & cannot be taken down!

**💬 115 🔁 185 ❤️ 2.4K 👁️ 155.3K **

FxTwitter · Mar 31, 2026, 2:24 PM

[safe dragon]

welp time to figure out more laws

[ivory shadow]

By definition, it sounds like that isn't a clean room implementation. Which means it's still a copyright violation. lol

[safe dragon]

would have to argue for fair use which you'd never win

[crystal wren]

https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2026/03/axios-supply-chain-attack-chops-away-at-npm-trust

[little furnace]

The result is a clean-room Python rewrite

[rain apex]

Is this just the front end UI or something

Not the actual model itself

[little furnace]

Apparently ChatGPT did the rewrite and they just cleaned it up and now it's "clean-room".

[lethal walrus]

its just a thing to run it on your codebase yeah

it just interacts with the api

[rain apex]

I dunno why this is even worth protecting

Or stealing

[safe dragon]

[crystal wren]

(Oh, hey, @rain apex, would you prefer I DM you or just ping you in some appropriate channel for that MEEP API thing?)

[safe dragon]

[rain apex]

Just ping me in mmg yes

Although i dunno if it's actually needed at this stage

[worn remnant]

https://malus.sh/

[ivory shadow]

All I can think now is someone telling them "You can't just say the words "clean room"." and then

https://tenor.com/view/office-the-bankruptcy-declare-gif-26483263

[hushed raven]

I'm struggling to tell whether this is entirely a windup (especially because of the name) or a genuine thing someone has made with the intent of it being used

[worn remnant]

it sure looks like satire, but i am given to understand that you can pay for the service and it delivers a product, so

[hushed raven]

The MalusCorp Guarantee™

If any of our liberated code is found to infringe on the original license, we'll provide a full refund and relocate our corporate headquarters to international waters.*
*This has never happened because it legally cannot happen. Trust us.
This does not make it any easier to tell!

[little furnace]

Is your legal team frustrated with the attribution clause? Tired of putting "Portions of this software..." in your documentation? Those maintainers worked for free—why should they get credit?

[fleet wren]

person who plays OpenTTD: wow this reminds me of OpenTTD's situation

[hushed raven]

wasn't TTD source released for OpenTTD?

[fleet wren]

no TTD never had source

it was written in full assembly even

[worn remnant]

person who plays openrct2: wow this reminds me of openrct2's situation

[hushed raven]

I was Today Years Old when I reliased those were not the same game

[worn remnant]

i mean i don't think they're that different lol

[fleet wren]

being made by the same guy helps

the original ones

[hushed raven]

Ahh that does make a lot more sense as to why they look so close

[fleet wren]

(OpenTTD actually reached an agreement with Atari, the current IP holder, last month; Atari will chime in with server costs and ignore all the reverse engineering they did in exchange for OpenTTD being bundled with the original TTD's release instead of its own separate store entry on Steam)

[hushed raven]

Oh nice! big up for atari

~~ not that I knew they were still doing business ~~

[fleet wren]

yeah I lost track of what iteration of Atari this is

I think it's like at least 3 separate entities taking the name and IPs from the original corpse

[little furnace]

Wasn't all the reverse engineering legal?

By the way, the website is satire, but they do accept payment and do refactor the code of dependencies.

[fleet wren]

I'm not a lawyer but OpenTTD started off by directly translating the assembly into C equivalent
all the code got rewritten to be original later, but one can claim that Atari has a case if they want to pursue it, and it's nice that they chose not to

[cinder karma]

What's Atari

[fleet wren]

i thought it'd be something you'd know as an old person who is old

anyway the answer is "I don't even know anymore"

[dusty pollen]

an answer in about 20% of nytimes crosswords

[cinder karma]

When was Atari?

[pliant snow]

1972

[cinder karma]

Oh

Roughly my dad's generation

[safe dragon]

can't tell if you mean that's around when they were born or

cause in that case my dad's a lot older than yours

[cinder karma]

How is Pokémon game

[fading spear]

Hi guys quick question but how often would you say people play modded stardew valley on mac?

[rain apex]

#modded-stardew

[little furnace]

Heads-up: You can activate "Automatically load 'Autosave' at start" in Poly Bridge.

[dusty pollen]

MORE opus magnum journal pages?

[hushed raven]

Good news! I have discovered the required amount of tabs to make Firefox lag!

[devout vault]

I at least separate mine by window

About half are on my "I'm totally gonna get around to watching these videos" window

I should prune that again

[rain apex]

Right click close all tabs

[cinder karma]

Every now and then Firefox crashss

And cant restore tabs

And I am free

[hushed raven]

I have been closing a lot of tabs, then opening more, then closing them, the joys of [Spoiler: on topic] ||Modding Stardew||

[devout vault]

That's what multiple windows are great for.

A window with dozens or more tabs about something specific, and you finished? Close and delete them all

And more importantly, it's easy to hide the irrelevant ones

[hushed raven]

Any tabs not here are the hidden irrelevant ones, there live there with the cobwebs and all

[devout vault]

Vertical tabs? Ew

How will I know which reddit tab is which if I can't see the first 3-5 characters of the page title for each of them

[red crest]

do you not have the extension that like, hibernates unused tabs

[hushed raven]

you mean you don't rely on the position of the stars, micro inconsistencies of favicons, and shear audacity to tell which tab is which?

[hushed raven]

Button I am 64GB rich in ram, I do not need to bow down to such peasant levels

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7812 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1488668831584092330)

[cinder karma]

Iro of the new journal pages is there a single straightforward puzzle

[devout vault]

That's what forced windows restarts are for - FF will do that automatically

[devout vault]

I mean, usually, yes, but when I'm really tired, a few characters can be really helpful

[cinder karma]

Smh

I'm not made of money

[devout vault]

Has anybody written a cyberpunk story where the currency is DDR5 RAM yet? /s

[red crest]

I mean I have the same amount of tabs as you with no lag and half the ram, so...

[hushed raven]

Seems like a you me issue

[devout vault]

I'm a recovering tabaholic

[cinder karma]

Recovering

[devout vault]

20 tabs / 3 windows of that are things I meant to go back to and never did. (They're on a different virtual desktop thing)

[devout vault]

Have you forgotten how bad my tabs used to be

[cinder karma]

Yes

Casey! What are u up to?

[devout vault]

Contemplating code crimes

[dusty pollen]

atra there are new opus puzzles (but they're journal puzzles)

[cinder karma]

Exciting!

A lot of the ones added in the last batch are old tourney puzzles

Maybe one day I'll submit to a weekly

I'm wondering if I should use a halt command to set up catalysts.....

Or is that a waste

[pliant snow]

My desktop wifi just suddenly died mid session...

[dusty pollen]

they're taking submissions via a website rn apparently

[cinder karma]

Have u made one?

[dusty pollen]

nope

[cinder karma]

I just saw the new icon

[devout vault]

I thought you said your desktop wii and was confused why you had an old nintendo console on your desktop (besides the ultimate gamecube, of course)

[cinder karma]

Casey what is ur April fools mod

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-meme-shrek-good-question-good-question-gif-7176451729184982026

[cinder karma]

Iro do we get funny channel name

My colors!

My jam!

[hushed raven]

Oh now that is a beautiful set of colours you have there atra

Oh I also have a wonderful colour! yay!

[fleet wren]

wumbus

[devout vault]

wow, now my color feels less special

[red crest]

You've got a cat though.

[rain apex]

why arent u wumbusfied casey

[devout vault]

Stardewveloper is above Wumbus Author, it seems

Unless you mean my name, in which case I'll point out that the only Stardewveloper who wumbified their name is the one who is also a junimo

[prisma flume]

i have trained for this day

[red crest]

thank you bobo

[prisma flume]

hold on i need to change something

[red crest]

im holding

[cinder karma]

Tbh I think the contrast works

[red crest]

casey is a wumbus developer now you're too late atra

[fleet wren]

DAE liked wumbus before they went mainstream and sold out #realwumbleheads

[red crest]

no you're the only one i think

congratulations on ur wumborigins

[hushed raven]

so many wumbi (wumbae? Wubuses?)

[red crest]

the plural of wumbus is wumbus

[devout vault]

should i make a wumbus minigame in the 4 hours before midnight

[hushed raven]

Ahh like sheep got it

[devout vault]

(as a mod)

[red crest]

i knew you would

[little furnace]

I like that it changed around UTC and not to some weird American timezone.

[red crest]

yes

[little furnace]

Isn't that usually only the case for things you eat?

[devout vault]

I'd need to read wumbus world to actually do so though

[red crest]

please do not eat scissors

[little furnace]

Scissors is plural by itself, that doesn't count.

It's like glasses.

[cinder karma]

I mean the deeper contrasts I like them

[red crest]

i aint ever seen a single scissor

series is also a singular plural

[cinder karma]

Pink is pink

[little furnace]

I like this color. I want to keep it.

[prisma flume]

ok that's better

[little furnace]

I have, back when [redacted national secret].

[red crest]

it took you a while to do that i was beginning to wonder if you were okay

[prisma flume]

im literally at my job right now you should be grateful you got this

lets see you crop a comic for a discord avatar in a web browser

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7814 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1488697115738771626)

[red crest]

yes lets. give me your account and ill do this.

[steel kraken]

...

I miss my cheeto colour

[devout vault]

me during The Incident™

[prisma flume]

wtf the role avatar not my own avatar

admins i'm being phished

[devout vault]

(the "spacecore broke while I was at work and SMAPI hadn't rewritten that case yet" Incident™)

[little furnace]

I love my current color. Junimos, can I keep this color?

[devout vault]

no

thats my color

[cinder karma]

That's the color of the devs

[hardy jewel]

um you all lie it's the colour of BOBO

[cinder karma]

I am not deserving

[devout vault]

seriously though why is stardewveloper not differentiated at all besides a slight gradient, smh

[little furnace]

Your color is darker. That's different.

[devout vault]

They are hardly different on both mobile and PC

[prisma flume]

today seems like an excellent day to publish Bouncer

but like. later

[little furnace]

I feel like it's much darker.

[devout vault]

light mode isn't real

[little furnace]

Light mode is real and is superior for everything.

I have my terminals in light mode.

I have VSC in light mode.

[cinder karma]

Casey now has the inverse if the Pathos watermelon

Anyyyyyways

I'm excited to see the new journal puzzlws

[little furnace]

I need to figure out how to set my virtual console to light mode...

[fleet wren]

i just need more puzzles with the new glyphs

||though i'm not sure how they'd justify the 3rd one lorewise||

[pliant snow]

update, still no wifi wtf happened

oh there's a mess in dmesg

[cinder karma]

new page has some

[fleet wren]

ooh it's out, nice

[hushed raven]

There go my beobfuscating attempts, damn

[pliant snow]

this is

the stupidest bug ive ever seen

the wifi chip apparently will just stop working sometimes, and the solution is to turn off the machine, hold down the power button, then turn it back on

[sand frost]

A classic

[cinder karma]

The new glyph is so weirdly shaped smh

Gahhhhh

Selph how do u have gold cost and nothing else

[rain apex]

gang when do u use IReadOnlyList

i dont mean a "what it does" but what r situations where u choose it

[cinder karma]

I'm doing a reflection on someone else's list

It's strictly worse than read only Span in my book

[rain apex]

even for ref types?

[red crest]

I used a ref IReadOnlyList once for on-topic reasons

(bc i was postfixing a function with an out IReadOnlyList argument)

[cinder karma]

What in smapi

[red crest]

Crop.TryGetGiantCrops()

I think Pathos uses readonlylists in his mods you can probably look at his repo to see the kinds of usecases