programmers-off-topic

[safe dragon]

just wait till the next version of .NET is behind a paywall

only the runtime is free, please pay for the sdk

[cinder karma]

What if it's free but you need to use copilot to use it

[hushed raven]

I'd rather write it by hand XD

[safe dragon]

pretty sure that means I am just not allowed to use it at work

.NET SDK as a bonus with your netflix subscription

get

100 azure credits if you sign up now

[hushed raven]

falling down the proprietary programming language hole, I just found out MATLAB also has a paid licensencing system as well

[cinder karma]

God

My bank is removing some of the excellent loyalty rewards

And replacing it with free netflix

I'm very not happt

[hushed raven]

What a weird thing to replace it with

[cinder karma]

It backed down the 5.25% category rewards credit card to 4.5%

Instead, I get...free Netflix now

Online purchases was my category because app payments counted as online

[safe dragon]

there's also a proprietary java runtime from oracle

don't actually know why you'd use that instead of OpenJDK

[rain apex]

For Enterprise Quality JVM ofc

[hushed raven]

or any of the others like Graal and Temurin which have been a decent bit better than OpenJDK and proprietary JDK in my experience

[weak obsidian]

i like eating plastic

wires are yummy

i've deposited my thoughts, off I go now!

[fleet wren]

for a while we used Turbo C++

[fleet wren]

platform/corporate support
Graal or Temurin probably doesn't support Symbian, Solaris, Blackberry OS, or QNX

[hushed raven]

Open JDK doesn't even support solaris anymore (I think)

[fleet wren]

interesting how when you delve into the world of embedded systems you see at least a dozen OSes you've never heard of in your life that's used by 3 billions people daily

and those are who Oracle Java serves

[marble jewel]

Just learned I'm the latest to fall victim to the AI tech layoffs (AI is speculation on my part)

[hushed raven]

There are so many obscure ones it's mental

[fleet wren]

wait really
shit that sucks 🫂

[hushed raven]

oof not fun at all, what a sitty situation, I'm sorry about that

[safe dragon]

ah fuck

[marble jewel]

I got the whole "it's not personal, nothing to do with your performance..." spew

[safe dragon]

are they just "restructuring"

[cinder karma]

That really sucks I'm so sorry

[marble jewel]

Yeah they're taking things in a new direction

[safe dragon]

downwards

[marble jewel]

I've been saying for awhile now, but the company has these AI aspirations

[safe dragon]

that sucks man

[long verge]

Yo that sucks, wish you find a new one soon

[devout vault]

So what you're saying is, each regular here as a one-time-use "walk 5k and atra will play a game with you" (subject to atra vetoing the game in question)

[cinder karma]

It depends on the game....a 2d game I'm more likely to be okay with

The pricing is based on how much atra would actually play the game

I am very pro exercise

[sand frost]

sorry to hear, that sucks

[lilac rock]

are there any PTERODACTYL EGGS for Stardew Valley ? I happens to have a 256GB RAM server tower rack and need to put it to good use

[sand frost]

what is a pterodactyl egg??

[marble jewel]

That's game server hosting software

SDV Multiplayer is someone hosting/playing at the same time and others joining them

If you really want to use up your server resources, do mega modded Minecraft

[safe dragon]

I was so sure they were just in completely the wrong channel

and then I read "server tower rack"

can confirm that modded minecraft is very good at stealing your RAM

256GB of RAM in 2026 tho that's legit like 3k usd

[marble jewel]

As someone who's had recent experience hosting mega modded minecraft for a decently sized server, it is very hungry on resources

256GB RAM
They're just flexing their wealth /s

[safe dragon]

I hosted a basic papermc server with some plugins like mcmmo and even that used way more resources than everything else I have running on that machine combined

even when idle

[marble jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-fancy-nickelodeon-gif-6329177119608131353

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-obi-wan-now-thats-a-name-ive-not-heard-in-along-time-gif-11814407

MCMMO was fun

[safe dragon]

it's still around

works on the most recent version of minecraft in fact

[devout vault]

Sometimes I still hear its voice

[cinder karma]

@sand frost I guess you'll get one. What do you pick

[sand frost]

Hmmmmm

I’ll have to think about it but the obvious one comes to mind 😛

[sand frost]

I used to have access to a machine like this for grad school…

[cinder karma]

I am pro the obvious one because the obvious one means I dont spend any money

[cinder karma]

https://github.com/Redcrafter/verilog2factorio

[little furnace]

Is that another game you'd be interested in trying somebody has to walk for?

[fleet wren]

Factorio is legit a time killer
if you get hooked you will play until morning

ngl the only reason I'm not playing Factorio currently is that there's no good total overhauls that work with the DLC yet (I think I already ranted about this in detail on this very channel)

[devout vault]

I had to look up when it came out. I’m mildly surprised nothing has done so yet.

I mean, an existing mod redesigned to fit into it? Sure, I can see that.

But I would’ve assumed someone had made something new by now

Is factorio modding more hellish than Skyrim modding

[fleet wren]

total overhauls contain at the very least a complete tech tree replacement and needs, well, total overhauls, to be able to be slotted into another total overhaul seamlessly

Space Age itself is basically an official total overhaul mod for base Factorio

(literally even, it's coded as a "Mod" since the infrastructure is there)

[fleet wren]

there are lots of new mods for Space Age out, mainly in the form of extra planets with its own gimmick and unlockable goodies

what got me interested in repeat playthrough though are comprehensive experiences, and an extra planet being bolted on top of the base game doesn't quite cut it

[devout vault]

Well, that’s why I made the existing vs new comparison.

Though maybe people don’t want to assume everyone plays with the DLC? Not sure how common it is there compared to other games

[fleet wren]

I feel the bigger problem is design-wise and not any technical thing

Space Age splits the base Factorio tech tree into 6 and spreads them across multiple planets and space

now you need to figure out how you'd need to split your own massively complicated tech trees that was designed to be all on 1 planet

the base game for example has 2 metals; the DLC adds 3 more. AngelBob (a popular overhaul) adds at least 15 new metals

[devout vault]

-# thats why I mentioned a new one popping up

(Not that making expansions is easy. But modders are insane enough for that anyways, given the games popularity)

(Unless modding isn’t as popular there proportionately, I guess)

[fleet wren]

it's definitely a problem for new mods too
every planet (aside from the ice one) is designed to be self-sufficient, and pretty much have their own special methods to acquire every vanilla resource
so you need to take that into account and invent procural methods for every resource you add (5x the work!)

[devout vault]

Mainly meant you wouldn’t have to fit existing concepts into them, you could make something from the ground up to fit with them.

However, I did not realize they were mostly all self sufficient

That does throw a wrinkle in it, unless you adjust the entire progression order

I assumed it was at least vaguely linear (or maybe only a couple branches that looped back)

[fleet wren]

yeah it's a pretty cool thing about the DLC, like:

• ||Vulcanus (the magma planet) you get metal by cooling magma, oil via coal liquefaction, and water by purifying superheated sulfur||
• ||Fulgora (the abandoned alien planet) you get metal and ice water via sorting alien scrap and oil via pumping from the surrounding polluted ocean||
• ||Gleba (the jungle planet) you get metal via cultivating alien bacteria (lol), water from regular oceans, and oil products via farming crops (lol x2) ||

spoilered everything just in case some ppl care

[devout vault]

One day I’ll actually play it

(Possibly)

[hushed raven]

Any recommendations for fanmade 2D pokemon games that are preferably complete (or at least have a decent amount complete)? I've played Pokémon Fusion, and Pokémon Unbound and loved them
(ROM hacks and standalone versions are fine)

[weak obsidian]

I cant give u complete buttttt

Watch for Gamma Emerald

Thats gonna be a super good one, its own engine too not judt rhe same template

3d, beautiful graphics and up to gaming standards of todsy

[hushed raven]

Gamma emerald has been on my list for a while, it looks so good but I feel I'd properly get the wow factor from the complete version

[prisma flume]

wow notepad is almost usable as a daily text editor

if only the tab depth wasn't 8, a spellchecker wasn't on by default and every launch, and it actually respected ctrl+shift+z ctrl+enter etc

[devout vault]

I don’t know what those two shortcuts are

[safe dragon]

ctrl shift z is redo in most editors

[devout vault]

(Well, I guess the first one is what like half of programs use for Redo? But it’s inconsistent enough that I always check what the current program uses before I assume what it is, since if I get it wrong it’ll erase the changes since a new one would be introduced)

Most????

[safe dragon]

ctrl enter is like... a page break but idk what that'd entail in notepad

[devout vault]

Why are my chances much more inconsistent

Isn’t VS ctrl y

[safe dragon]

you use a lot of Microsoft products

I think ctrl shift z does actually work in vs

[devout vault]

...do they both work????

yes

weird

[hushed raven]

I get so confused when ctrl + shift+ z doesn't work as redo, it's the most logical

[devout vault]

Feels like ctrl y is more logical to me

I can see the argument both ways though

[safe dragon]

the y which clearly stands for yedo

[devout vault]

And the shift Z, which clearly stands for capital Zedo

(or even just the normal z for zundo)

[safe dragon]

zundo and zedo

[hushed raven]

I how it's more logical to me is shift is often the modifier for the opposite of something, Lowercase and upper case letters as an example, tak on the opposite modifier with Undo, you get redo

[safe dragon]

z is easy to explain with it just being conveniently located on the keyboard

[devout vault]

I don't consider upper and lowercase opposite. And I also consider normal typing as a completely separate thing than keybindngs

[hushed raven]

that whole bottom row is ususally where my hand often is when not gaming, such a useful row

[hushed raven]

Ahhh Most of my keybinds have something to do with typing, win + T = terminal, Win + C = close window, win + F = file browser

used someone elses dot files and didn't transfer my own keybinds over and got extreamly confused

[devout vault]

Close window is typing????

File browser is typing?????????

Next you're gonna say MS paint is typing

[hushed raven]

The first letter of the action is the same as the key's letter, that's defo typing

[devout vault]

That's very different from what I mean

"typing" = text
"keybinds" = do an action

[cinder karma]

The things i do to get this channel to touch grass

(Yes, it can be on the table as a walk bribe. No, I'm not sure I actually want to play it.)

[prisma flume]

ctrl+enter is insert newline below in VS or insert newline above in VSC, and ctrl+shift+enter uses the opposite behaviour for each. or is it inverted? i can't keep track with these idiot software

critically different from just enter because you're not inserting a newline at the caret

[devout vault]

I only ever do that accidentally

As long as I can remember, my go-to for a line above has been "go to end of line, hit right, hit up, hit enter", to the point that it's basically muscle memory.

[prisma flume]

ctrl+shift+enter just makes sense

[devout vault]

I assume the reason I did that instead of going a line up was for when the line above was longer than the current one

[prisma flume]

and it's nicer than end+enter and home+enter because of how inconsistent keyboard layouts are with putting these two in places

[hushed raven]

line above for me usually has me do Up arrow, End, Enter

I shall see about changing the muscle memory, although it is standardised atleast

[devout vault]

I can never remeber what the home/end/etc. keys do in text editors, and so I just avoid them

[prisma flume]

i usually use ctrl+home and ctrl+end more than home and end

[hushed raven]

I only really got used to them when I made the switch from windows to arch bc of the amount of nano I had to use on a barebones install

no mouse nav and holding the key took way too long

[devout vault]

Nano?

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-obi-wan-now-thats-a-name-ive-not-heard-in-along-time-gif-11814407

[hushed raven]

to my knowledge is the only pre installed terminal editor, although I will be using fresh for terminal stuff, it's so much nicer

[safe dragon]

right I use vim keybinds so these have no use for me

[devout vault]

If you aren't using something meant to make you suffer like arch, vim comes preinstalled /s

[prisma flume]

vim? now, that's not a long name. not a long name

[safe dragon]

you don't come her often then...

oh

I can't read

my lord

somehow I read that as "that's not a name I've seen in a long time"

[hushed raven]

I still can't get my head around vim keybinds being an actual thing people use

[devout vault]

Oh, I don't use like 95% of them

[prisma flume]

i can't imagine why you read it like that

[safe dragon]

I just left a meeting soz

God I want to scream after that meeting btw

[devout vault]

I basically just use:

• arrow keys and w/b/$/0 for navigation
• i and d for mode switching
• /, exclusively for basic search
• :, exclusively for quitting

...oh, I guess I would also use :! at times

[prisma flume]

press :, and use normal keybinds

[safe dragon]

I use a fair few more

[devout vault]

It was mainly during college when we needed to test our assignments on the linux server, since that was where they were graded (and too many people used VC++ and had problems when it didn't work elsewhere)

[safe dragon]

do I have permission to scream

[hushed raven]

Oh please do

[little furnace]

On some distros for embedded systems or phones nano isn't pre-installed.

[hushed raven]

the louder the better

[devout vault]

Embedded systems aren't real

[prisma flume]

[devout vault]

-# except whatever atra works on

[hushed raven]

well, pre-installed on arch I should've said

[prisma flume]

oh that wasnt as big as i hoped for a heading

[devout vault]

-# if that's even embedded stuff?

[devout vault]

time to make a sticker

[devout vault]

btw

[little furnace]

ed used to be pre-installed everywhere.

[hushed raven]

my fav embedded system is in dumb toasters because they don't have to have one, I love dumb electronics

[safe dragon]

I've been in this months long back and forth with the security team to get approval for something that we were essentially already doing and I thought it was finally fuckin there but then I just got called and they had like a long ass list of shit they want me to clarify or change or do things that are entirely technically impossible

[prisma flume]

toasters are the ideal computer. no brain, just magnet and heat

computer should be more like toaster

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #7787 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1486356047110209577)

[hushed raven]

hmm computered bread

yummy!

[prisma flume]

toaster makes toast. computer makes comput

[safe dragon]

I wanna go back to bed

[devout vault]

we call those cookies

[safe dragon]

I wasn't made to deal with annoying ass bureaucracy around perceived security issues that I now have to do things for that no one will ever look at again

[devout vault]

Come on now, don't have an attitude like that.

Maybe future archeologists will look at it one day

[cinder karma]

I do want to know how verilog compiles to factorial

But not enough to play it

[devout vault]

I wonder if anyone has written a verilog to minecraft redstone thing

yes

yes someone has

[safe dragon]

they can't that'd be a security vulnerability

[devout vault]

(Actually don't know if this is verilog)

https://github.com/itsfrank/MinecraftHDL

[hushed raven]

I have been struggling with factorio combinators so it seems I may be learning verilog

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #7788 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1486357254134562816)

[devout vault]

Okay there are other redstone making things which more clearly state they are for verilog

[cinder karma]

Oh?

[devout vault]

https://github.com/Kenny2github/V2MC

[safe dragon]

people are messed up

[devout vault]

I feel like this is more sane than what some people do with redstone

[little furnace]

The only thing I know is that there is a bug in Java that was fixed and people hated it so the fix was reverted and now it's "intended behavior" that doesn't make any sense and because of that I prefer Bedrock because at least the bugs there are real.

[safe dragon]

yet still Redstone is so much more buggy in bedrock than Java

[hushed raven]

Quasi connectivity? Creepers? BUD switches? Boats on ice? which one there are many

[safe dragon]

worse. Redstone in bedrock is not deterministic

[little furnace]

But at least it's considered buggy. And not "intended behavior".

[little furnace]

The first one.

[hushed raven]

Quasi connectivity is so useful, I love it

[safe dragon]

block update detectors at least got a dedicated tool instead of the buggy way

[devout vault]

Quasi connectivity?

[safe dragon]

quasi connectivity is fuckin weird

[hushed raven]

There's still been times where the old block update detectors have been of more use to me than observers, key example leafstone

[devout vault]

Quasi connectivity enables some neat things that you couldn't do otherwise (though now that observers are a thing, that's not as much the case)

Bedrock bugs are like "oh look, I desynced in my singleplayer world so now I'm dead"

[little furnace]

I hate it. Can't they make it a game rule that's disabled by default in new worlds?

[safe dragon]

no

cause then people copy builds they see online and all redstoners would play with that true enabled

[devout vault]

Bridging over lava? dead
Digging and pillaring up? dead

Flying around with elytra? Believe it or not, dead

[safe dragon]

Just existing near cliffs? dead

[hushed raven]

it's just inductive charging, think RFID, Induction stoves, etc

[little furnace]

They can't always carry around legacy behavior. It would be like it was owned by Micro-... wait...

[hushed raven]

actually redstone makes a bit more sense if you equate it to a mix of heat and power

[devout vault]

I would also like to emphasize: quasi connectivity may be weird and rooted in a bug, but it enables cool things

If a bug doesn't do that, then it's more of an issue

[safe dragon]

in this case, for the majority of people who do enough redstone to care about quasi-connectivity, the preference is to keep it the way it is

so they'd never remove it

[devout vault]

(assuming its not "enabling balance breaking things", like item dupes)

[safe dragon]

a lot of Redstone relies on this bug and can't be done otherwise

[little furnace]

I see it like that: do new people get confused because it's obscure, doesn't make sense and they need to look it up or ask people? If yes, it's a bug and needs to be fixed. That's how I handle all my software.

[devout vault]

If it were a new game, I'd agree with you

[safe dragon]

they could go the observer route and find a replacement but that's harder in this case

[devout vault]

But like... just look at how angry so many people got over the baby mob changes recently

[safe dragon]

95% of people don't interact with redstone at all beyond following YouTube tutorials tbh so they probably don't care

[devout vault]

im not sure half of minecraft could be figured out without looking it up or asking people

[little furnace]

If I cared about people... I don't know how to finish that sentence.

[devout vault]

Exhibit A: Redstone as a whole

[hushed raven]

neither do microsoft

[devout vault]

(slightly better nowadays with the stuff in ancient cities, I think?)

[little furnace]

But yeah, I love breaking changes in software if the result is more streamlined.

[devout vault]

And that's great for productivity and libraries and what not

But this is a well established game

I'm all for fixing it in a hypothetical Minecraft 2 or something, and I know MC does revamp a lot of stuff every once in a while (like worldgen). But the core gameplay loops usually stay the same

[safe dragon]

I don't like streamlining if the main result is that you took away what people are able to do with it

[little furnace]

A lot of things are well established and I'd still want them to be changed. A lot of this would get political though, so lets not go there.

[little furnace]

You could find a replacement.

[safe dragon]

I did mention that

[devout vault]

You're ignoring the "no other way to do that" parts

And a game is very different from other types of software on that front, in my opinion

[little furnace]

I feel like it would only get more complicated and bigger. Or is there truly something that's impossible any other way?

[safe dragon]

part of it is also that it doesn't really hurt pretty much anyone that isn't a redstoner anyway

and redstoners want it to stay

so why remove it

[little furnace]

I'd be much more willing to invest time in learning Redstone if Bedrock wasn't buggy and Java didn't have that bug.

[devout vault]

Admittedly it's been a while since I've tinkered with it, but I feel like it's the difference between:

• using dozens of lines of reflection in C# to access something
• using something that's technically a bug, but has been around for literally a decade despite continuous updates

If quasi connectivity were suddenly introduced? Sure, fix it. But it's a bit late for that

[little furnace]

I'd always choose the first one.

[safe dragon]

it's certainly too late now

[little furnace]

It's never too late, I think.

[devout vault]

Even if it took actual resources to write your code, and you had a limited line count allowed?

(I think QC is mainly useful in use cases where you need tighter contraptions)

[safe dragon]

the creeper would not be added now because it goes against modern design principles of the game but removing them is not going to end well for them

[little furnace]

I won't use a bug to make something work. I think my employers understand and appreciate that. Debugging, refactoring and code cleanup is my favorite part of programming, so I think they'd want me to do stuff well.

[devout vault]

Yeah, the players don't care, and I doubt many people are employed to do redstone

If this were something like VS, I would completely agree with you

[safe dragon]

removing quasi connectivity via a game rule could maybe be done but like... idk what you gain from this beyond a minor sense of removing something confusing

[devout vault]

Games are an entirely different beast

(Because it's already out and has been for ages - an early access game? fine)

[little furnace]

I'd gain a minor sense of removing something confusing. That's enough.

[cinder karma]

What's quasi

[devout vault]

Spooky redstone action at a distance

[safe dragon]

from the implementation side it'd be annoying too cause then you'd have to maintain 2 branches of code depending on the rule

[devout vault]

(not to be confused with newer spooky redstone action at a distance (lodestone stuff))

[safe dragon]

lodestone redstone is bizarre

[hushed raven]

and quasi connectivity is I believe a symptom of the core method how redstone is able to transmit power/data, it would mean not only 2 branches of code, but 2 branches of every piece of code related to anything redstone related

[devout vault]

More seriously - in Minecraft, some things like pistons can be updated by a redstone signal that only "almost" connects to them, under some specific arrangements, and only if something that IS actually next to them updates

[cinder karma]

Btw I see why y'all dont post gifs of journal puzzles

[little furnace]

In Minecraft doors are two units tall, other stuff is one unit tall. When copying code, they made it so that other stuff that receives input gets activated as if it was two units tall.

[hushed raven]

bizarre yet so cool! bundles are a great addition, I love how well they accidentally interact with things

[devout vault]

Wait, how do bundles interact with lodestones?

Did I miss a development

[cinder karma]

I opened four of them, went "oh, stoichiometry", and closed them

[hushed raven]

the teleporting system with compasses bound to lodestones in bundles/copper chests + Golems

[devout vault]

You can do that with bundles too?

[hushed raven]

the bundles was the first discovery of how the system works, it just also applies to chests too

[devout vault]

Oh, I missed that part

I thought only players could use bundles

Oh, is it an item frame + comparator thing?

...no, that's rotation based

[hushed raven]

Oh the golems don't use the bundles, they stay on the player, but the compasses can act like a wireless read only terminal (I guess would be the best way of describing)

that interaction then lead to people thinking about the uses with golems

seperate usecases, same underlying principle

[devout vault]

Ah

[hushed raven]

I don't think the bundle thing was in a hermit craft video, not that I know of anyway, I saw it on another channel talking about it

[devout vault]

How does that work with the bundles? Is it that they are either spinning or not?

[hushed raven]

yep, they don't update until the bundle is interacted with, so it can act like one of those paper displays, like kindles have

[cinder karma]

Kindles

[devout vault]

As far as recent “redstone-based fast travel” developments go, Etho’s launcher looks so fun

[cinder karma]

Aa far as video games go

[hushed raven]

I love the EGG modification to it, I kinda wanna make one but theres a good chance people won't find it as funny XD

[cinder karma]

How are games that compile from verilog

[hushed raven]

of the two that I know, they're both fantastic

[devout vault]

That was glorious too, yeah.

Except for the poor server

[hushed raven]

ye that certainly isn't one to be attempted on a heavily modded one XD

[cinder karma]

MapTap.gg - Daily Geography Game https://share.google/RnvTgF89mOR2NqZzV

[hushed raven]

www.maptap.gg March 25
88🎉 97🔥 87🎓 99🎯 60😐
Final score: 836

I like maps... except apparently the last one which I have no idea what is around there XD

[little furnace]

I failed with the Texas one:
80✨ 97🔥 86🎓 95🏅 80✨
Final score: 874

[devout vault]

-# bad idea: try out the player launcher… in vivecraft

[little furnace]

How am I supposed where Texas is?

[hushed raven]

I only know where texas is because the fajita mix I use is el paso XD

[devout vault]

If you’re American, it’s expected.

If you’re not, it’s basically Other Florida (including on a map, which is relevant to this context - opposite side of the gulf)

[cinder karma]

What

Oh

[hushed raven]

I was gunna say XD

[cinder karma]

I was like Baja California

Anyways

[devout vault]

It took me a minute to realize I was thinking of it as “the gulf coast” in my head (rather than Gulf of Mexico )

[cinder karma]

How are the cats?

[little furnace]

Wait, Texas is next to the ocean?

[devout vault]

Yep

I’m pretty sure I’ve heard it called America’s armpit before

Because of where it is (well, that’s probably only one reason)

[little furnace]

I just thought it was in the middle of nowhere, but next to the coast is somewhere, so...

[cinder karma]

Remember hurricane

Rita?

[little furnace]

The Scorpions song?

[cinder karma]

Hurricane Rita evacuation - Wikipedia https://share.google/TF3948JdvWSJpIprl

[little furnace]

I was 3 then, so...

Never really heard of it.

[devout vault]

It does give off big “middle of nowhere” vibes. It’s just a well known “middle of nowhere”

(I say as someone who has never been there, and probably never will)

[little furnace]

I was just looking at a map, and apparently Houston is in Texas?

[safe dragon]

it do be

[cinder karma]

Crumble! How do you deal with the journal puzzles having such weird reagent ratios?

[devout vault]

Yes

[safe dragon]

I have not done the journal puzzles yet

[fleet wren]

there's only one puzzle where I can't get around it and I cheated ||with the eternal salt chain||

[cinder karma]

I have a handful that look pretty but one of my journal solutions is gnarly

[fleet wren]

I wonder if that's the same one lol

[safe dragon]

how are you already doing journal solutions

I mean I guess they're unlocked from the start

[hushed raven]

I was leaving them until after I finish the game, I wasn't sure where they fit in, but they seemed to be more complex than chapter 5 (?)

[fleet wren]

yeah they're for people who want more
a bunch of them are only added after the initial release

I felt like a genius when I made this ngl (not the world record fastest possible solution but fast enough)

[devout vault]

Oh is it my turn for a "discord crashes and burns from a opus magnum gif"?

[safe dragon]

why does this not loop

what did u do

[devout vault]

Not loop? I get a single frame and then it's entirely blank

[safe dragon]

I have to open it in the browser

[fleet wren]

discord also gave up on my machine lmao

[devout vault]

Same

[fleet wren]

it's only 4MB too wth

"only"

[devout vault]

Though zooming in on it makes it work... for some reason

[devout vault]

I mean I post longer ones in the code crime thread regularly, though they aren't gif format

[safe dragon]

it's going to be heartbreaking when I get to the late levels and I have to settle for something that works

[hushed raven]

it's only works if I zoom into it XD

Beautiful, absolutely stunning

[cinder karma]

I'm pretty fast lol

A lot of the solutions I've posted so far are first tries

Usually for the main campaign (with the exception of two god awfully ugly solutions) i can see the intent immediately

The two bad ones are universal solvent and the lipstick

[safe dragon]

but having a solution isn't enough...

[cinder karma]

I'll go back and optimize later tbh

I also haven't done most of the DLC

[dusty pollen]

I’m contemplating the usefulness of a bot that would take gifs above a certain size, convert them to videos, compress a bit, upload, and delete the original attachment/embed to try to prevent channels from crashing for mobile users just by being opened

because at the very least it would then not cause as big an issue until they pressed play

btw my experimentation/brief online research points towards the max safe gif size for mobile discord being around 500kb

[hushed raven]

500kb is quite hard to get for a gif without losing major info, does webP fare better? I know discord prefers them and they loop aswell

[dusty pollen]

remember that super crunchy gif I sent when I tried to compress one? that wad my attempt at 500kb

[cinder karma]

I recall!

[devout vault]

but then I can't find them if I go from: personWhoPostedCoolGif 😔

[hushed raven]

I mean if you want to get some real compression, could make the pixels that don't change and are a greeny blue transparent, that leaves the border and cycle count and the moving parts + rail while getting rid of a lot of info

[dusty pollen]

hmm, and mentions: doesn’t work on silent bot pings

[hushed raven]

parred with with webp you can compress a decent amount

[devout vault]

It sounded like iro meant a more general solution, not specifically for opus magnum

[hushed raven]

Ahhh

[cinder karma]

Sorry, I can avoid the gifspam

[dusty pollen]

oh no dw, wasn’t about you

I think I was the biggest culprit for breaking this channel for people

[hushed raven]

webp also deals with compression a lot better because of the extended colour count, can compress to half the original size and still have extra room for compression

(with gif to webp + lossy compression of about 50% of the data, can decrease frame count aswell)

[dusty pollen]

unless it can get to an eighth, I think we may still need the actual video solution

we’ve had several >4mb gifs in this channel

[devout vault]

But looping

[hushed raven]

better format than webp and gif is avif, with 50% lossy compressing it's an 84% decrease

and it has looping

[devout vault]

(unless you autoloop it for several minutes)

[hushed raven]

this 2.7MB gif to 430KB avif

(I hope this doesn't lag, I tested it on my phone and it seems to not lag it, if it does please lmk)

[dusty pollen]

works fine for me (which supports the roughy 500kb limit hypothesis ig)

[hushed raven]

Perfect! given the current quality of it, you could compress it even further yet again

it still looks grand at 15% quality for a file size of 115KB, decrease of ~96%

15 seems to be the sweetspot, any less and it starts looking excessively crunchy, specifically with Opus it makes seeing how much the arms turn harder

I may have found my new fav image format XD

[cinder karma]

That's a nice solution too

[hushed raven]

Thank you, I think it's one of the wiki solutions with a slight change so I can't take most of the credit XD

[cinder karma]

What did you use to convert it

[hushed raven]

https://ezgif.com/gif-to-avif
However ffmpeg and probably imagemagik can also do it for an offline version able to batch do files (and do them async)

it's seems the only negative to AVIF is the increased resources required for encoding to the format, but it's seems that only really comes into play at a few hundred images on low end hardware at once

[cinder karma]

I'll show some journal puzzle solutions I'm happy with when I get home

And maybe one or two I dont like

[pliant snow]

AVIF is our lord and savior

i adore it

[fleet wren]

got some free time so testing again with ffmpeg to avif

waow it is magic

only 500kb

no more remotely detonating people's phones

[hushed raven]

as fun as it was to have that power, it's for the better good

I'm amazed at how well it can compress the gifs

[safe dragon]

it even loops now

the future

[hushed raven]

gunna compress all my images and videos losslessly with avif

(Also Iro I am stealing your idea slightly, I'm tossing auto compression into my util bot)

[red crest]

avif my beloved

[little furnace]

Do you think we can mod support into Opus Magnum directly? Or convince the devs to add it?

[hushed raven]

I did look at it but it wasnt the easiest due to obfuscation and issues decompiling, but it's net4 so most people here are already familair with it

there is a mod loader already available but it requires you to downgrade the game version

if I could get it to actually build from a decompile I can deobfuscate it with time, seems like the kind of mindless tedium task I can do when I'm half asleep or zoned out

[pliant snow]

I have a script somewhere for avif conversion done really well, I should dig it out

[little furnace]

I tried joining the Discord server, but as of recently, whenever I attempt to join a new server my account gets an additional restriction due to spam and Discord support told me that everything is alright, and if I wanted to get rid of these restrictions I should stop spamming.

Before that I had never received any ban or restriction at all, so it's not because of some previous events.

[devout vault]

https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/updates-to-github-copilot-interaction-data-usage-policy/

We all wanted more, right?

[frosty echo]

Microslop strikes back

[modest linden]

I love AI sooooo much I love how everyone everywhere makes invasive privacy changes and makes it opt-out instead of opt-in I love giving my data to mega corporations /s

[devout vault]

It's hilarious (derogatory) that the FAQ (https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/188488) specifically brings up some obvious questions about this, and then just avoids the questions

Also it's funny that they say they have 26 million users, because I very much question how they track that

Like, I didn't know you could disable the commit message generation when editing in web, so I've just been deleting whatever it writes and then write it myself.

I'm willing to bet that is considered being a user

This approach aligns with established industry practices
the line landlords use to raise rent by 50% when its time to renew, because they can

[crystal wren]

...you can disable that?

Oh. Apparently I already knew that and already have it off.

[little furnace]

I honestly like this feature because it's often more verbose than what I would write for my own private projects.

[crystal wren]

I think that's why I prefer it off. I definitely don't have that "problem" (for lack of a better word), so I always found myself sort of agreeing with the content but not liking how it was worded, and so did it again anyway.

[dusty pollen]

I find it too verbose tbh. I can get the info I need from a three word summary I do not need full sentences

"because what are you gonna do about it, loser?"

[red crest]

"can opt out at any time" as long as you do it before the 24th when we immediately hoover up everything you've ever done and opting out does nothing after that 🙂‍↕️

[devout vault]

Yeah, that's the other half of the "brings up some obvious questions about this" that I noticed

[dusty pollen]

"yes"

[red crest]

Vercel is also doing similar by the 31st, if anyone has anything hosted with them and missed the email

(I don't use it anymore but I had an old school project on there still so I was emailed)

[dusty pollen]

github claim that repos "at rest" (that are not actively being used in chatgpt sessions) will not be affected and will not have their code shared

[devout vault]

Wish there was a good platform that had the same low barrier of entry for new people (because of the rare and fabled contributors) that doesn't do all this stuff

[red crest]

"At rest" sounds like the kind of thing that could be changed by what casey mentioned with the automatic generation of commit messages

[dusty pollen]

they claim it only happens if you actively engage in a copilot chat session

do I trust them? not really

[devout vault]

It's also funny because my first thought with that was "oh, so my private repo that I solely use for syncing my ideas/etc. in Obsidian has been / is going to be used?"

My ideas are a dime a dozen, of course

But still

[dusty pollen]

glad the commenters aren't letting them dismiss things this easily

[red crest]

"Copilot, please generate for me a list of ideas that github user kittycatcasey would come up with."

[devout vault]

And even if you did, all it takes is a bug somewhere in the chain for it to be used anyways

[dusty pollen]

yup

[devout vault]

well now im curious

I won't ask. But I'm curious

[crystal wren]

Fortunately for me, I'm the "just give me a server and get off my lawn" type.

[dusty pollen]

it's interesting, usually there are a lot of pro-ai comments on things like this. I don't see a single one

[red crest]

Gotta wait til the 24th to find out

(To be honest, I kind of thought they were already doing this)

[devout vault]

Which is doubly weird given they openly brought up the main concerns, without even rephrasing them to be less direct, and just ignored them or basically said 'lol. lmao, even'

[red crest]

Using copilot interaction data collection, that is

[dusty pollen]

they were but it was opt-in

[dusty pollen]

that one guy is fighting for his life to defend this decision. and failing

[crystal wren]

Has nobody discovered how to poison pill code like they have music and images yet, anyway?

[dusty pollen]

I'm not 100% certain about the reliability of those across models ngl, and images and music tend to have a lot more data which is a lot more resistant to random changes...

[crystal wren]

I thought it was on your interactions specifically with Copilot, which would mean... yeah, it would, because it's not per-repo, it's per-user?

[dusty pollen]

yup

[crystal wren]

I've heard of pretty decent results with those specifically, but yeah, not across all models like you say.

Not that I expect they won't figure a way to detect it and filter out anything that has the poison pilling in it.

(An Atra's appeared!)

[dusty pollen]

there is a claude 5 magic string you can use to "test that claude correctly responds to inappropriate content in the input" and prevent it from parsing an entire input

[crystal wren]

So what you're saying is that Anthropic created an... AICAR string.

...get it?

[devout vault]

no

[crystal wren]

Because... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EICAR_test_file

Like for... testing AV detection engines...

Because pronunciation wise, EICAR... AICAR... but it's AI.

[devout vault]

What I'm hearing is that NASCAR is gonna replace the drivers with AI

[crystal wren]

They were gonna, but they can't get the GPUs for it anymore. /j

[dusty pollen]

dammit it seems anthropic nuked that magic string from existence it no longer works and is no longer in their docs

[rain apex]

I will defend right to git commit -a -m "bolb"

[dusty pollen]

I won't. why aren't you combining the flags

git commit -am "blob" is clearly the correct answer

[devout vault]

had a dumb idea. brb

[dusty pollen]

this better involve the statement "I am blob" in some way

[devout vault]

dont worry its worse

[dusty pollen]

pm blob?

[devout vault]

so much worse

[dusty pollen]

I anxiously await

[rain apex]

How does git know which flag the argument is for

[dusty pollen]

the last one

[rain apex]

How terrible i hate it

[safe dragon]

pick randomly every time

[rain apex]

Frighten

[dusty pollen]

you can chain flags and any flag before the last one in the chain has no args

[dusty pollen]

I'm so glad you spent time making this casey

[devout vault]

told you it was so much worse

[dusty pollen]

and that we have that documented

[devout vault]

possibly one of the worst memes ive ever made

im so proud of it

[red crest]

this only works if you plan on committing in the morning, otherwise you need to use -pm 🙂‍↕️

[dusty pollen]

ha way ahead of you

[dusty pollen]

😌

[red crest]

Consider this comeuppance for all the times you've backread and replied before further backreading too /lh

[devout vault]

...DANG IT I missed something, brb doing another -am but to the meme itself (with --amend)

[fleet wren]

to add, git (like 99% of software) is likely using getopt

[errant comet]

Is discord down or something

[fleet wren]

which more or less defines the standard for cmd args

[rain apex]

The original sin

[errant comet]

Can't use some applications and chat looks choppy

[fleet wren]

are there "better" args formats ppl use nowadays
not using getopt feels like a sin

[fleet wren]

there is a small chance this is caused by my 6MB GIF

probably not but still

[devout vault]

how do you feel about khloe's trigger action action arguments

[rain apex]

I don't think so, but there's always some program choosing to not support short flags

[prisma flume]

images and music are typically more like signals. i suppose compressed text could more closely resemble compressed audio/video, but i don't think you could make a signal-like pattern to hide some disruptive noise in

[rain apex]

I think khloe is correct and vanilla is wrong, but I have chosen vanilla's wrongs every time thus far

The consistency matters to me ok

[fleet wren]

this is the closest attempt

[devout vault]

<sees link repo name>
"is it rust?"
<opens repo>
"it's rust!"

[red crest]

I think khloe is wrong and vanilla is correct, and I have chosen vanilla's corrects every time thus far

[fleet wren]

first software triple licensed with MIT/GPL2/GLWTS

the last one's the best license that everyone should all relicense their code to

[red crest]

My code is effectively GLWTS if I go awol

[fleet wren]

including the anti attribution clause?

[red crest]

If I ever go completely AWOL, I'm either not of this world anymore and thus don't care, or don't want to be found, and thus won't care

[rain apex]

https://github.com/me-shaon/GLWTPL/blob/master/translations/LICENSE_zh-HK cantonese support wow

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #7791 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1486493846862037024)

[fleet wren]

why is Good Luck With That still English

wow the vietnamese version is very polite and not vulgar at all, I should fix that

[red crest]

well its the name of the license innit

[rain apex]

Is there a nsfw version

[fleet wren]

oh wait I didnt see the nsfw version yeah

[red crest]

you wouldnt translate MIT

[fleet wren]

yep, that's properly vulgar

[cinder karma]

Glwts?

[rain apex]

冇 is my favorite cantonese hanzi

[cinder karma]

I always threaten to walk permanently into thr sunset

[rain apex]

It means not have, and have looks like this: 有

[cinder karma]

And you guys know I will have the savings and investments to do that :P

So get your 5k walks in early

[devout vault]

haven't you ever heard of SEO, smh

[cinder karma]

Can I license code under a DONT-ATTRIBUTE license?

[red crest]

That's the GLWTS license

[cinder karma]

No, I mean you can use my code you just cant attribute it to me. I disown all my code

Forever

[rain apex]

Too late I never even changed ur mod id

But atra that is glwts

[cinder karma]

I'm not talking mod code

Im talking every thing I ever wrote

Chue! How goes life?

Can we sell you on chemistry game

[rain apex]

No I'm good with the gifs thanks

I am still banned from buying new games

I gotta start nine sols tho i promised kisaa

[cinder karma]

Can I get u in on the 5k club

[rain apex]

I'll evaporate i think

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-hitori-goto-ash-gif-15841216535956453521

Like this

[cursive sigil]

i'll have to rethink my atra game since ER is not possible for me

i'm sure i'll find something soon™

[dusty pollen]

er?

[cursive sigil]

elden ring

[dusty pollen]

ah

is that an atra game?

[cursive sigil]

she said i have to run for it

and i can't run

[red crest]

definitely not an atra game

[cursive sigil]

so it has to be something cheaper

thanks neuropathy now ER will never be an atra game

[devout vault]

Yeah the Elden ring requirements were higher than average

[dusty pollen]

I wasn't aware it was possible to get atra to play games that are not secretly just programming

[devout vault]

Did you miss the 5k thing

[dusty pollen]

I do generally make it a goal to miss all 5k related things

[cursive sigil]

baseline is walk 5km but based on price of the game and how difficult it is, the requirements can go up

[devout vault]

Started here: #programmers-off-topic message

[red crest]

Does the walk have to be outside

[cursive sigil]

good question

[cinder karma]

No.

[devout vault]

What happened to touching grass

[cursive sigil]

great news, no actual grass touching required

[dusty pollen]

it's so strange seeing him be non-dangerous

[rain apex]

Atra u should play pong /j

[red crest]

I do have a treadmill

[devout vault]

The hit Stardew mod?!???!!?!??!!!?

[cursive sigil]

he's still dangerous you just can't see it because of the floofiness

[dusty pollen]

can the walk be virtual

can I walk 5k stardew meters

[cursive sigil]

if i do 5k in skyrim does it count

[rain apex]

What does atra game mean anyways

[cursive sigil]

i can even sprint it if you want

[devout vault]

Maybe you do it with a vr treadmill

[red crest]

Walk 5k in vr

[cursive sigil]

make atra play a game

[rain apex]

Is there a prize

[dusty pollen]

okay but vr movement makes me nauseous so I will have to move via keyboard--

[cursive sigil]

i just need a vr

[devout vault]

That is the prize

[cursive sigil]

and a treadmill

[dusty pollen]

btw do you guys remember that horrible opus magnum solution I made where I just stashed lead atoms in a 6-arm? well they just increased the number of products required for that one just to prevent that

[cinder karma]

Depending on game you may also bargin to a bike ride or swimming

4x length for bikes

1/4th distance for swimming

[cursive sigil]

button you don't get to 🧵 me english is not my first language

[devout vault]

i mean

you could just blame autocorrect like the rest of us

[red crest]

I don't see any thread anywhere

[cursive sigil]

wdym this server is full of them

[devout vault]

no secret ones, though

definitely not

[cursive sigil]

as if i have that enabled anywhere

[red crest]

couldn't tell, I have not joined most of them

[cursive sigil]

none

[cursive sigil]

you have one

[red crest]

does one thread make a server full

[dusty pollen]

oh wait it was a differnet puzzle

[cursive sigil]

no but you can clearly see a thread in this server

[rain apex]

Well i have thought about it and i got no games for atra

But i will play more wingspan when i home

[red crest]

I see nothing but this chat on mobile right now 😌

[cursive sigil]

do you see it now

[red crest]

no

[cursive sigil]

CHEATER

[red crest]

😌

[rain apex]

🧵 bread

[cursive sigil]

this is an abuse of power

[red crest]

please direct any complaints about Junimo abuses of power to @red crest

[cursive sigil]

literally 1984

[weak obsidian]

@red crest I'd like to send some compliants regardig Junimo's abuse of power, do I ask @red crest on how to send it to @red crest ? Or should I just DM directly to @red crest. Really at the end of the day I just want to make sure that @red crest receives the message

I-is this something new?

Im on web version of Discord, never saw this before

[rain apex]

Is it like /tableflip

[prisma flume]

yeah that's new. on windows you could get those prebuilt emoticons from win+. from windows 10 onwards

[red crest]

Right click on Button > Add Note > Write your complaint there 🙂‍↕️

[weak obsidian]

Thanks! I cant' wait for when this is resolved

I was very worried for a second

[red crest]

Duly noted

[rain apex]

I wrote down "has a gf" for button and now i have remembered to update it

[cinder karma]

That's amazing

[weak obsidian]

Why, were you interested in being the next in line?

Kidding hehe

[rain apex]

No i love learning about ms button lore indirectly

Hm it should be mrs right

I'm not very good with these how do they work

[weak obsidian]

idk

but

i was swimming in a beach

[red crest]

It only took you a year

[weak obsidian]

saw a fishi in da water swimming around me

[red crest]

(It is Mrs.)

[weak obsidian]

picked em up, held them for 5 seconds, put then back in water

[red crest]

Generally:
Miss/Ms: Unmarried
Mrs: Married

[weak obsidian]

idk it wasnt too big of a fishi so dw it was unharmed + was super cute

[cinder karma]

BTW apparently you can copy and paste instructuons

Ctrl click

[little furnace]

@cinder karma My new suggestion for a game would be Bridge Constructor Portal, which is currently on sale for 0.99$. It's a licensed Portal 2D puzzle game where you attempt to build bridges so carts can reach the exit. It has the famous Portal humor (but without the vertigo), good puzzles and is fun.
How much do I need to walk for that?

[heavy dagger]

Title result: Save 90% on Bridge Constructor Portal on Steam

[sand frost]

i could suggest polybridge 2, which is 80% off right now ($2.99), or polybridge 1, which is 90% off right now ($0.99), if I wanted to nerdsnipe you about bridges

i had to stop playing these because my brain would not stop trying to build bridges whenever i was trying to fall asleep or whatever

[dusty pollen]

it's a different puzzle

I have no idea why they updated the one they did

[little furnace]

Ms. does actually not imply any marital status. It's a good honorific for all purposes.

That's why Ms. Marvel is Ms., because she was designed as a "feminist superhero", and feminists have long argued that a woman's martial status should't change how to address her.

[red crest]

Hence "generally", referring to the way I've only ever heard it differentiated without declaring utmost definitional accuracy

[little furnace]

How dare you not declare utmost definitional accuracy!!!

[dusty pollen]

I feel like at school teachers used ms on either side of the definition but idk if that's as common in the us

[fleet wren]

at least my eternal salt chain solution is intact (not that they can check for that, can they)

[dusty pollen]

the issue with some of the journal puzzles is that I look at them, go "oh that's a whole bunch of bullshit," and close the game

[devout vault]

if (solution.owner == selph) { /* break it in a way unique to this solution */ }

[cinder karma]

Looks interesting! Let's say 3km or so?

Tbh the point of the walks is to get people to touch grass for once :P

[dusty pollen]

pure evil

[devout vault]

excuse me, conductive what?

[dusty pollen]

enamel 😌

[devout vault]

Just what I wanted. electric teeth

[dusty pollen]

I assume the other enamel

[little furnace]

This is not the grass my mother recently started growing in her backyard, right? I don't want to touch that.

[devout vault]

googles

Didn't realize there was another type of enamel

[cinder karma]

Maybe....not that grass

I'm definitely thinking monocots here

[little furnace]

I can do that. Had planned to go for a small hike this Saturday anyway.

[cinder karma]

There is one confined space puzzles with a two atom reagent and a 7 atom output

I haven't done that puzzle

[dusty pollen]

I was forced to melt some in a kiln for a class

[dusty pollen]

there are much worse ones, atra

[fleet wren]

yeah this is indeed one of the eviler ones lol, I should post mine once I'm done with this pizza

[dusty pollen]

well for starters even this one has two reagents (2 atoms and 1 atom respectively) and a 7 atom product

[dusty pollen]

next one's worse but I haven't done that one yet

[cinder karma]

Yeah but you dont have a parity issue here

[dusty pollen]

I thought I had something good and now I'm gonna have to refactor the entire solution side

[cinder karma]

You can produce one product per

You need 5 of the 2 atom and one hydrogen

[dusty pollen]

I'm pretty sure the journal is the classic zachtronics "this is where we stick the evil shit our community made in the first few months of the game" area

[cinder karma]

Also, can I see your surrender flare

Oh. And silver dust

[errant comet]

Si2O3

[dusty pollen]

atra you laugh but so many zachtronics games have one of those

[devout vault]

i too just had pizza

[errant comet]

[dusty pollen]

let me find it

I mean your solution is better than mine in cycles atra

[little furnace]

I haven't tried optimizing Surrender Flare for Cycles yet, it seemed really complicated.

[prisma flume]

sigh. such a long time to go until traditional saturday pizza

[little furnace]

But I love the story.

So many people had pizza today. I tried to make one as well, but I don't have an oven that's hot enough, so it wasn't fluffy but hard and gooy.

[dusty pollen]

I can definitely do better now tbh

[prisma flume]

https://i.redd.it/zo5yaw0tecof1.jpeg

one day saturday will arrive

[devout vault]

Oh don't get me wrong, I definitely didn't cook a pizza. Unless you count "cooking with my debit card"

[safe dragon]

often after fridays

[little furnace]

For the past three weeks I tried making pizza every Wednesday. There is a slight progress, but I still have a long way to go.

[cinder karma]

I've been doing pizza too

Sourdough crust

[marble jewel]

I do a sourdough flatbread-like crust for my pizzas

I have a recipe I like, which I adapted to use sourdough

[cinder karma]

Pretty+

[supple ether]

ever since like two weeks ago all of my peripherals have been dodgy and it might be a coincidence that there was also a windows update around that time but tbh I think microslop somehow just fucked up all of the default HID drivers

like my keyboard will just drop keystrokes, and my mouse sensitivty varies wildly

super annoying

also now I periodically get a "device disconnect" sound randomly

[cinder karma]

some of mine

[fleet wren]

as promised my conductive teeth solution

[cinder karma]

this one sucked

[hushed raven]

Well this recent gif train crashed discord on my phone XD good to know spoilering does indeed help prevent it though

[fleet wren]

hey I did my civic duty and converted to avif

[hushed raven]

I think it was just that there were 8 on my screen at once, that's a lot of data for such a small program with a small team and limited resources such as discord

[cinder karma]

better surrender flare

(not optimal, you have to do a double peel for optimal)

[dusty pollen]

hmm, how big is this avif selph

it's still too big for my phone apparently so that's a new data point

wait why is atra's 1.3mb avif fine but selph's 300kb avif makes my app unusably slow 😭 what

this new data point is terrible

[cinder karma]

Don't worry, even scrolling past those six gifs even spoilers annoys my phone

[hushed raven]

What did you use to change this to avif? I wonder if it's to do with someother factor ezgif reduces but whatever you used (if it wasnt ezgif) doesn't

[prisma flume]

we call this an outlier

[dusty pollen]

upsetting

[rain apex]

idk what happened but firefox is flash banging me randomly now

when i open new pages

[cinder karma]

Ah, I see. Opus Mangum is on topic for the channel because it's really a discussion on the gif performance of the discord app

[little furnace]

I unfortunately can't test GIFs because after I tried to join the Opus Magnum server and got my account restricted I can't log in to my phone again because then my account gets locked due to "suspicious activity". Discord hates me personally.

[supple ether]

Compression complexity probably

[cinder karma]

I think if I duplicate it and go left i can get closer to max throughput but there are several instructions wasted wiggling back and forth currently

I like how bouncy it looks

Bouncy

It's so happy

Fwiw I tried 15% but it got too choppy

That's like 34%

[fleet wren]

ffmpeg with a somewhat aggressive compression factor

[devout vault]

You should use Tabby Cat. Then you'll get flashbanged by cuteness instead.

They purr too, by the way

[rain apex]

No i mean like when u open new page and it's loading

There's like a millisecond where it's

[cinder karma]

What if I just added a mirrored version

Interleaving might be hard

Elizabeth when is your 5k?

[sand frost]

This weekend maybe?

[cinder karma]

Have fun! Is it for charity?

[sand frost]

Yeah it’s for transgender day of visibility

[devout vault]

There goes my invisibility powers 😔

[little furnace]

I don't know what this emoji is supposed to mean in this context (and in general, but that doesn't matter).

[rain apex]

It means i get flashbanged by exodia

[cinder karma]

Whyyyyy are we getting a new Harry Potter TV show

Whyyyyy

How is programming going

What are you guys excited for?

[hushed raven]

brain meltingly boring

[hushed raven]

Food! shopping order just arrived and I cannot wait to have some of the goodies we've bought

[devout vault]

Going well. Working on [REDACTED]

[little furnace]

Who is Exodia?

[pliant snow]

are [REDACTED] war crimes?

[pliant snow]

https://tenor.com/bnwkY.gif

[little furnace]

I am confused.

[devout vault]

No. This time it's not even code crimes. Just stuff I can't talk about 😛

[cursive sigil]

refuse to talk about*

[fleet wren]

I see casey's next mod will help subvert the american tax code

[cursive sigil]

must be a fight club mod

[cinder karma]

I didnt break the law in 2025!

Well, I did, but I fixed it before April 15th!

[hushed raven]

Criminal Atra confirmed

[cinder karma]

Does breaking the law temporarily make one a criminal

[lyric bloom]

yes

[hushed raven]

I believe breaking the law regardless of how long, is still breaking the law

[cinder karma]

Hmmmm

What if it was an honest mistake

[hushed raven]

a mistake is not a defence but does relate to the absence of establishing liability
(I do not know what that means so I'll leave that up to you to guess XD)

thank you random electronic law resources webite, I am still no wiser

[cinder karma]

(For the record. I forgot about my employer's contribution to my HSA, so I overfunded it. We reversed the funds already.)

[lyric bloom]

this entire convo has reminded me I still haven't filed taxes

wibble

[little furnace]

I'm very happy that I don't need to file my taxes yet.

[lyric bloom]

I am trying to persuade myself to not buy as witch 2

in any caseI should get back to moving stuff, since I have.. all of 36 hours to do so

(I really should get back to throwing stuff out, but that's harder =/)

[little furnace]

You don't need to buy a witch, I'm sure you can convince them to join you free of charge.

[hushed raven]

Witches are very easy to win over with some herbs and baked goods, tried and true method

[little furnace]

Can confirm, am witch.

[hushed raven]

Which do yous prefer more for making a new branch in a repo, git switch or git checkout?

[cinder karma]

Checkout

[hushed raven]

why so? muscle memory/familiarity or because it has other uses? or another option

[cinder karma]

How are video games going

Muscle memory

I'm ancient, Atlas

[hushed raven]

Ancient and not yet self sufficient? smh my head, you should have a castle by now!

[little furnace]

I use switch because neither does sense to me but switch seems easier.

[hushed raven]

although you could not be a vampire, in which case you could have a pyramid if you're and ancient Egyption

[cinder karma]

Like thirty minutes ago I found out there was smth special for resetting to head and I've already forgotten it

[hushed raven]

I often use checkout but with switch syntax which is very confusing XD

git restore .?

[little furnace]

Like, git switch -c branch --track origin/branch. It's needlessly verbose. git switch origin/branch could easily be a shorthand that automatically creates a new branch called branch that tracks the origin branch. That wouldn't cause any issues if the name is unique. You can still fail if it isn't, at which point I'd design the comment git switch origin/branch -n origin-branch.

[hushed raven]

I am unfamiliar with --track origin/branch, I've never used it and had no issues so far, git switch -c <branchName> has worked grand thankfully

[cinder karma]

Can't you set up autoremote

[little furnace]

You use it when two remotes have the same branch.

[cinder karma]

That's what I have

[pliant snow]

I didn't even know git switch existed, I've always used git checkout -b <branch>

[hushed raven]

it's pretty new, only 2019

(well new in the life of git, not new as in recent)

[cinder karma]

2019 was seven years ago

Half of y'all weren't even born yet

[pliant snow]

mmmm no i dont think so

[little furnace]

I like to specify it in case two remotes have the same branch.

[hushed raven]

I would like to make a joke but I know how over zealous discord is with their auto age detection XD

[pliant snow]

18 moderators are watching closely

[little furnace]

By the way, cake:

It's like cat (kinda), so it should be allowed here.

[hushed raven]

cakes 'n' cats¸my new business idea, sharks, how much it worth?

[cinder karma]

Adorable

Looks tasty

Do i get a slice

[little furnace]

Everyone gets a slice, but I need to add the chocolate coating.

[weak obsidian]

Was this cake based with Rust?

(The cake has relevance towards programming)

[little furnace]

For cakes I always use Go.

[weak obsidian]

Makes sense, can't go wrong with that!

[cinder karma]

The blackpink song?

[weak obsidian]

What's blackpink?

[hardy jewel]

a kpop group

something I would not have thought atra would reference

[weak obsidian]

Oh, I prefer regular pop instead, or, soda, at least some people say

[weak obsidian]

Good to know!

[little furnace]

I thought it was something like #2c0c16.

While the chocolate melts I will prepare the pizza dough for tomorrow.

[weak obsidian]

We speak in HEX 🙏

Probably the best way to get your nails done

Hi, I want my nails to be #2c0c16

[weak obsidian]

Yummy, can I eat some :3

[little furnace]

That one is experimental, so I'd like to try it first.

[cinder karma]

What type of pizza do you do

[cinder karma]

I listen to kpop :(

Not like

[little furnace]

I want to try Pizza in Teglia.

[weak obsidian]

Double cheese pizza, pepperoni pizza, I don't do pineapple since my family would likely turn this situation into a witch trial (they're very enthusiastic about pizza, and pineapple isn't one of them)

[cinder karma]

Super cool to see the dark blue https://www.ercot.com/content/cdr/contours/rtmLmp.html

I'm thinking of doing a high high hydration thin crust next

[little furnace]

I wish I could do a classic Neapolitan pizza, but I don't have an oven for that.

[weak obsidian]

It's okay, if I pass out after 5-10 minutes of eating, you'll know if it passed the quality check or not

[cinder karma]

Neither do I tbh

[little furnace]

You mean, if you post out, it's good?

[weak obsidian]

..maybe! It's all about perspective

(no, that would mean it was not good)

I love food, food is live, food is everything

I love chicken, beef

Chicken Marsala, Chicken Scampi, Chicken Alfredo (similar to scampi, different noodles)

There is a dish but not common in USA or Europe, its called Creamchop, translated. It's breaded chicken tenderloin strips fried, served with white/yellow rice that has some rose water in it

[little furnace]

That sounds amazing.

[cinder karma]

How are things?

[little furnace]

The coating is drying, the dough is resting for now.

And I'm taking care of the Surrender Flare.

[cinder karma]

Surrender Flare is such an interesting one for optimization

[little furnace]

I was afraid of it until now.

[cinder karma]

Some of the journal ones are also pretty fun

I like how I changed from style to style as time goes by

The last two solution I did was a lot of tiny arms on tracks carrying around reagents

[little furnace]

Arms on tracks? That sounds familiar.

[cinder karma]

I tend to do clock solves (one arm in the middle carrying the reagent from station to station)

Which is why I suffer during the limited space ones smh

[dusty pollen]

I used to use them a lot more but I kinda stopped

they're hard to optimise

[cinder karma]

For simple problems they are nice but complicated ones

Iro, does shenzhen have community made puzzles

[little furnace]

Shortest possible cycle count for a single product.

[dusty pollen]

I think so? I can't quite remember, they'd be more manually coded though

top percentile (and probably optimal) area

[little furnace]

For this not to be optimal you'd need to find a way to only use one calcification glyph. I don't think there is one that doesn't take at least as much space.

[dusty pollen]

exactly

to use only one you'd have to use rotations that would end up taking more space

what does your optimal area solution look like?

also, someone's showing off /lh

[dusty pollen]

ah so identical but sans one of the glyphs

[little furnace]

I often secondary optimize for cost when doing area.

But yeah, I prefer yours.

[dusty pollen]

I like to go all out on every metric except the one I optimise and how pretty it is

time to do cycles

[little furnace]

You can prove that you can't make it smaller. I can't really put it into words, but you need a free area of the same shape next to the product.

[dusty pollen]

19... wait that means you have a loop of 3 with a setup of 1 wtf

[little furnace]

I remember that one. It was hard.

Taught me a lot though.

First step is always ensuring that every reagent source is completely utilized.

[devout vault]

not a mod, smh

[devout vault]

...there's a git switch????

[devout vault]

Am I hallucinating, or does git checkout someBranchNotLocal automatically create the local version and track the origi none? (Since that's what I normally do)

[little furnace]

Only if there aren't duplicates accross different remotes.

[devout vault]

Ah. I've never had an issue on that front, even forked repos where I have origin and upstream

[little furnace]

I don't think I had either, but I tend to enjoy explicitness (I could have sworn explicity is a word), and as such I like specifying the source repo. It's like static typing.

[dusty pollen]

so I got to 28 and I think for today I'll leave it here the main loop is just 8 cycles each so it's fine but I need to optimise the transport into the product

[cinder karma]

Pretty

[cinder karma]

the art of "staring at a chart trying to get to a specific metal"

(DLC levels)

fireworks powder and invariant metal

[thin estuary]

atra already doing DLC levels, and i have yet to buy the game

[little furnace]

How much do we have to walk?

[safe dragon]

atra beat the whole game while I've just been playing runescape and pokopia

[cinder karma]

It's not that long of a main campaign and I stand by that but the journal puzzles are HARD

There is one I solved recently that does some really ugly maneuvering to get an atom across the entire screen because I was in too deep with that solution and just wanted it to be over

Some of these I might go back

Also hexastabilized salt is mean

[cinder karma]

To be fair the DLC you can start before you finish the main campaign

[fleet wren]

related, my gripe with the DLC is that the main campaign introduces 3 new glyphs but the journal's new added level uses none of them

[cinder karma]

Were the journal levels part of the DLC?

I thought not

[fleet wren]

oh yeah they werent

[cinder karma]

Selph do you know what controls what version of the solitaire you get?

There is only one I'm actually good at lol

[fleet wren]

where you access it

main campaign, journal or the dlc

[cinder karma]

Oh, huh

Are the DLC glyphs available in the level editor?

[fleet wren]

yes

though idk if that's the case if you dont have the dlc

[devout vault]

I've been having this happen the past week or two, and it's driving me insane. Bluetooth mouse in my case. I know my mouse isn't out of battery, and yet once an hour or two it just... dies for a few seconds

[devout vault]

I am once again complaining about the dropdown in VS 2026

[fleet wren]

breaking news: journal levels aren't all monsters where you have to build a skyscraper and can have simple optimizable puzzles

[cinder karma]

checks my own cycle count

The fire circle one was fun

[marble jewel]

Found this from the Awesome-Helix repo. Considering I already use Yazi, Zellij, and Helix this seems right up my alley https://github.com/luccahuguet/yazelix

[safe dragon]

interesting idea

both a file tree and integrated terminal have open PRs I think

but this is a neat alternative

[weak obsidian]

You know what scares me?

When you work for a company, or a contributor to a FOSS-like project

And you get a PR reviewed by someone with an irl photo of themselves and a short bio/none

In my personal experience, they are typically the most experienced people 😅

[sand frost]

maybe this is why pathos is scary, he's a real person 😛

[prisma flume]

ah yes, people. with a job. and an online presence for business

not named after fruit and with a LinkedIn page

[marble jewel]

I used to be people with a job, now I'm just a person who is spending most of his time on autistic hobbies

[red crest]

Do you go by Blueberry on linkedin

[cinder karma]

Do you go by Button on linked in

[red crest]

No but blueberry linked those two clauses suspiciously

[cinder karma]

I'm not gonna be LinkedIn friends with any of u

[supple ether]

I think it was (not named after a fruit) and (with a linkedin page), rather than (not) (named after a fruit and with a linkedin page)

[devout vault]

I fit both of these criteria, but my code is atrocious

[supple ether]

I can't say for sure how I measure up to professionals but I will say that I'm curious about how things work and I like learning new things from my projects

Also I do believe that I discovered a novel solution to the attribute marker for source generators

At some point I want to start a blog to talk about some of the more niche things I've learned from modding, partly because I think it would be interesting, and partly bc a number of times when I've been researching programming things that were undocumented or poorly documented, somebody else's programming blog had the missing piece of the puzzle

[cinder karma]

That would be fun

Do a substack

Post it to ur linked in

[supple ether]

Oh yeah I forgot substack is a thing

I haven't looked into it yet. I was planning on just selfhosting a static blog site

Substack would have more visibility though

[red crest]

It's more amusing to me to assume the latter so I will continue to assume the latter

Not an appropriate a joke for this server. All ages, please.

[prisma flume]

somehow i have 2.5 jobs and no linkedin

[supple ether]

That's a lot of jobs

[regal ingot]

got a PR once from someone whose GitHub bio is just "Yeah, I'm that guy."

[red crest]

Did you bring enough jobs to share with the rest of the class

[prisma flume]

my boss has said 'make sure you join and like the company linkedin page' pretty much every year and every year i say yep will do boss

[cinder karma]

Lol every now and then work asks us to circulate an article on linked in

And I barely acknowledge my LinkedIn

[regal ingot]

(and to be fair, upon reading the name my first reaction was "wait, seriously, is that....?", so it's entirely warranted IMO)

[prisma flume]

you already have my last job being green!!

the pay isn't good, but the prestige of being a discord moderator is worth so much more

[regal ingot]

What's the going exchange rate for "prestige" at the local grocery store? 😉

[red crest]

How do you know I'm wearing your green and not the green of a different ex-mod

[devout vault]

Not gonna elaborate? 👀

Or is it the more recent helper method they added since it was such a common pattern