programmers-off-topic

[hushed raven]

Good point, I did notice I can replace the other piston aswell

Oh wait no it can't go down right and still reach it, damn

[cinder karma]

length 2

maybe not, I'm sorry

[hushed raven]

down left I think does work though?

[cinder karma]

yeah!

[hushed raven]

ayee! nice one, it's more compact and I think i can rotate it together to be even more compact again, woop!

[cinder karma]

not great, but not terrible

iro's right. hex wheels are op

[safe dragon]

oh damn

atra is gaming

[hushed raven]

I have only just learned piston can turn and extend...oof thats painful for previous levels

[Alcohol Separation] not small, cheap, or quick, but very fun to watch

Actually that may cause issues on mobile

That should be compressed better

Umm wut... how did I break a gif that badly?

[safe dragon]

wtf

[little furnace]

Remember that you can set the location of where GIFs are saved to by editing a config file.

Portal?

[prisma flume]

you wanted gif, but you got diff. nice keyframes

[prisma flume]

it's taken me this long to realise vs' intellisense autocomplete is mostly only annoying compared to vscode because 'intellisense on character deleted' is disabled by default

years of ctrl-backspace and rewriting

[errant comet]

Oh wow that's something new

Yall making 4d gifs now

[devout vault]

-# there is one game like it IRL. its called "opus magnum"

I can't believe atra is actually playing a video game

Does this count as a nerdsnipe

[little furnace]

Anyone else having the issue that you can't switch windows while the game is loading?

My gaming OS is Windows, I'm certain it would be different on Linux.

[devout vault]

My computer still can't initiate new connections

Guess I'm gonna have to restart

Interesting thing I noticed about what I mentioned for Steam's store still working: it works, but it doesn't seem to think I'm logged in

It wants me to buy Stardew Valley

[worn remnant]

if "can't" means the window goes into "not responding" mode, then yeah that's windows. on linux i can safely switch away during load, but depending on the exact point in the process it will either continue working unfocused or wait for me to refocus it before it can proceed.
also true in general. if the game is e.g. waiting for the online services or whatever it is for multiplayer i can switch away and it will time out on its own, but if the game loop is doing the "is the game focused" thing then it won't resume until i come back

the scroll-left delay to get to the load game screen is fully artificial and runs in the game loop and will pause when unfocused. but the part where it loads the game files is i/o and will complete in the background (but i have so few saves that it's meaningless to switch away; the load is fast)

[pliant snow]

Time to pitch ideas for what the jukebox should be licensed under

[dusty pollen]

what's that one license that says you may do anything as long as you DON'T attribute /j

[little furnace]

It stays responsive (at least it doesn't fade out), Alt + Tab-ing doesn't do anything. However, ⊞ + Tab will work, but clicking on any window will return to Opus Magnum. I have to move the game window to a new virtual desktop, then I can continue working on the old desktop. When the game has finished loading, I can move it back to the old desktop and switch between windows as usual.

[worn remnant]

oh my bad i thought you were talking about stardew lol

[little furnace]

I wouldn't be on-topic here. Thank you though.

[fleet wren]

atra gaming

[little furnace]

Generally, I stopped playing Stardew when I joined this server. I have no idea why, it just happened.

This is the lowest cycle count I managed to get on that level so far. I need to figure out how to optimize it more.

Wait...

That was surprisingly easy.

[safe dragon]

dear god

maybe I shouldn't be a cycles optimzer

I really don't like the track loops

[little furnace]

They are hard, but satisfying.

There is a reason why I spend two days on average on Cycles solutions.

[safe dragon]

alright I will go play opus magnum

lemme see what I did for that one

I see...

there

[dusty pollen]

have either of you gotten far enough in the game to even see top percentile...

[safe dragon]

I certainly haven't

here's mine to beat urs

[dusty pollen]

(top %ile for this level is 34, apparently)

[safe dragon]

I did figure I could speed this up further

[dusty pollen]

you can probably ||start the next one earlier|| at the very least

[safe dragon]

why beat the game when I can obsess over this random one

alright 44

I suddenly see a 39 ahead of me

cruel

[little furnace]

Just wanted to post this when you said it.

[safe dragon]

I know what part of my way of doing this is slow I just can't think of a good replacement without a redesign rn

[little furnace]

To get significantly faster than this you need to swap which source you take for the fifth fire element. For every product I take two fire elements from the first source and three from the second. Since I have no downtime on the second source, I need to improve by using the downtime from the first source to already take an element. This is difficult.

[frosty echo]

#opusmagnum

[safe dragon]

I think I'll leave this as is

[little furnace]

Optimizing source downtime is I think the best way to start a new Cycles design. But it's also the most difficult.

[safe dragon]

44 is good enough... for now

I shall play levels I haven't beaten at all yet

right ok I don't remember how any of this works

[devout vault]

(restarting fixed it, thankfully)

[cinder karma]

Pretty

[cinder karma]

Portal sadly is a never. Vertigo

A lot of 3d games are never btw, if there is fast movement and it's 3d it's automatically a never

[little furnace]

That's a pity.

[cinder karma]

First person is also a never

It's a damn good game.

My personal pick for game 3 is actually kerbal space

[little furnace]

Good idea.

Balatro maybe?

[safe dragon]

ah yes the these later solutions

I'm back to claw madness

[cinder karma]

Casey does Minecraft go on sale

[rain apex]

I am in big corpo meeting where a manager person tried to vibe code live

[sand frost]

How’d it go

[rain apex]

They didn't finish so who knows

[long verge]

I bet you can’t wait for a critical error

[supple ether]

truly this is the worst timeline

[rain apex]

I think it's just a puzzling thing to do live tbh

Like even if we remove the ai part do u rly want to sit and watch someone code for 30min and not even run it

[austere comet]

30 minutes!?

[rain apex]

(it was probably more like 10 but it sure did feel long)

[austere comet]

Any amount of time would've been too long, imo

[cinder karma]

Btw that was game #2

I look at my solutions, then I look at Pink's and Crumble's, lol

"Oh, I can time this hex arm to deliver both reagents" then they have arms on belts flying everywhere

[little furnace]

WIP:

Doing this while cuddling with cat.

[little furnace]

Beat that.

[steel kraken]

I've done my fair share of live demos and the various sacrificial rituals to the demo gods.
But a live demo of a non deterministic system is a choicd

[safe dragon]

hmm the symmetry could be improved

spot the difference

[little furnace]

The difference is ||which fields of the purification glyphs get filled first||.

[safe dragon]

yeah I wanted the pair clusters to have mirrored symmetry

but I saw that Selph beat me by like 3 cycles so I gotta change it

Alright now we have the same number of cycles

[safe dragon]

god

what a grotesque amalgamation

always promising when my cost is several times anyone else's

[cinder karma]

Crumble

Can you look at me with a straight face and tell me

The final spin is necessary and not just for the aesthetic

[safe dragon]

the final spin is necessary

there's a bunch of missing required bonds

[hushed raven]

some of these I really don't want to show my solutions for XD utterly vile contraptions XD

This one however I am very pleased with

[safe dragon]

very clean

even using the aeshestic blocks

[hushed raven]

it looked so wonky without them XD

[cinder karma]

Very lovely

Ufh

I need to learn how to do multicursor in vim

[pliant snow]

Well there isn't any, so that makes it easy

[cinder karma]

There appears to be a plugin

[rain apex]

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/41179

Why is this even considered

[hushed raven]

The EU that's why

[rain apex]

And what stop me from putting unix epoch in the field

(if it existed i mean)

[hushed raven]

Age verification on most software it's currently all the rage within the EU government, it's silly, an OS should not need age verification in the slightest

[rain apex]

Oh wait is this PR like

Meant to revert a change that gone in

[hushed raven]

yes

[rain apex]

But then it's closed so the change is still in right

Puzzled

[hushed raven]

Ahh, that's a shame

[rain apex]

Ye here's the PR lol

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954

[rain apex]

But again what exactly stop me

[hushed raven]

at the moment, nothing, but there may be checks in the future with other software that uses it, even though it's an optional field, it should not be in there at all, there no reason for it

[little furnace]

Wasn't the base idea that an OS needs the ability for parents to add an "age" to an account and the OS needs to provide an API for websites and apps to request that age? Because that is actually a cool idea, even if enforcing it is ridiculous for community projects.

[safe dragon]

age verification is currently the rage worldwilde*

the US has been busy and continues to be. Brazil just passed something

most of this comes from bills from California, Colorado and soon New York that range from just needing to fill in your age in a field somewhere to full on age verification

[hushed raven]

My issue with it is by adding such sensitive/personal data on such a low level piece of software makes it more of a gold pot to attackers, it also means software that has absolutely no use for age verification has full access to it when and where it pleases, I'm very much not a fan of data collection, especailly when the data collected can easily be used to more easily get into certain secure services like banks, medical records, etc. Judging by the fact these are being added to the user info JSON which can be opted out of being encrypted (and I think may be unencrypted by default?), it's a terrible plan. wouldn't surprise me if it will eventually be checked against a valid ID

I mean it may just be my weird paranoia of "you don't know me, you get to know nothing about me" speaking, others may be fine with it, but it just leaves an uncomfortable feeling in the pit of my stomach

[safe dragon]

in many of these it is not some optional feature parents can make use of. It's a mandatory requirement for any operating system to ask any user of that system for their age. In some of those laws just asking is fine, in other cases an ID check or something is mandatory

if it was some setting parents could make use of? fair game

but that's not what it is

[pliant snow]

why is it in systemd of all places

[safe dragon]

systemd probably has an operating system considering al lthe shit it does

[hushed raven]

exactly, I could more so understand if it was part of the DE, but systemd? it's just not the right place

[safe dragon]

depressing times in any case

[hushed raven]

for certain

[safe dragon]

can't wait for some niche linux distro with 15 users to get sued for not adhering to some random age law in Michigan or something

[cinder karma]

Fwiw in the US you still have to pass the supreme court

I'm more worried about Australia, etc

[safe dragon]

doesn't matter at this point. To many countries and governing bodies are doing it already

all at the same too which is totally not suspicious

[hushed raven]

part of me just want's to be the type of person that doesn't care at all and will happiliy give personal info away in blissful ignorance, but the other part of me know that if I ever get to that point, why not just give everyone my passwords XD

[little furnace]

I'll continue building my own custom ROM, so at least on mobile I'm safe. On PC I might switch to Gentoo.

[hushed raven]

I miss being able to use custom roms, I need me a phone with OS drivers that can be tossed into come kind of linux distro that I can use across all my devices

[safe dragon]

ultimately on linux everyone's probably just going to install some patch that removes the age check

cause it's open source

they can't enforce it

[little furnace]

Snapdragon 8 Elite is open-source, and Sony still maintains the Open Devices Project.

Which is why I'm in the process of building Lineage OS for their new phone.

[hushed raven]

like fully open source? or just parts of it?

[safe dragon]

I'll definitely be going the custom rom route on my future phone

[little furnace]

For the first time Qualcomm wants it to be used for other purposes than phones, so they upstreamed the drivers to the Linux kernel.

[hushed raven]

Oh that's nice

[safe dragon]

unfortunately it's not that straightforward cause my bank and my dutch digital id app have to work or it's just not usable as a phone

gotta make sure I use something that work with those

[little furnace]

Will they work on Custom ROMs without root? If not, I managed to find a good workflow for my own apps.

[hushed raven]

I hope Revolut and Monzo don't increase their root checking because that's what I've set up for my mum (bc it was my old phone) and so far it's been working alright

[sand frost]

how did you manage to hit 3-4 houses at once 😛

[safe dragon]

idk I think so. I haven't tried

[cinder karma]

I'm just that middle aged

Now.

Tbh I should do pickleball

[safe dragon]

I have no idea what pickleball is

[hushed raven]

softball + racket + wall I think?

like tennis but with a wall instead of a net

[little furnace]

What is a Triplex Bond?

[safe dragon]

that's squash I think

[little furnace]

Ignore me, just playing funny histogram game.

[safe dragon]

not pickleball

[cinder karma]

Nitrogen maker?

[hushed raven]

It's pretty much an N2 bond but alchemised in game XD

[little furnace]

Huh.

[cinder karma]

Oh, an actual triple bond?

[fleet wren]

yep
and kinda annoying to make ngl

[safe dragon]

I think they used that for like one puzzle and I haven't seen it since

[hushed raven]

I thought it was quite fun to use, very satisfying noises XD

[cinder karma]

I like the plonk sounds

If there is one-thing I want is to be able to pause the simulator at some step and throw a part down

[hushed raven]

Just looked at the Xperia 1VII which has the snapdrag 8 elite chip but not part of the sony open devices thing, and so much more than I will ever be willing to pay for a phone XD 1.3k is too expensive XD

[little furnace]

It will likely be part of it some time in the future. They already created a placeholder repo. Unfortunately that project is basically one person. I'm trying to support them, but I don't even have the phone yet (and yes, I want to buy that phone just because it has a headphone jack and no notch).

[hushed raven]

There are so many repos wow, doesnt help that the names aren't the easiest to figure out XD

[little furnace]

The one you looked at is pdx256.

[hushed raven]

Ahh nice one ty, where do you find the internal (?) names for the phones? I'm just finding the model code unfortunately

[little furnace]

What do you mean by that?

[hushed raven]

Like where do you find the pdx256 like names? the only ones I can find are XQ- DQ54 which don't appear as part of repos

[little furnace]

Mostly googling.

I have no idea how I found that one.

[hushed raven]

Ahh okay gotcha, I hoped there was a central source for them XD

[little furnace]

Maybe there is.

https://storage.googleapis.com/play_public/supported_devices.html

That one maybe.

Great, that one only lists the model code.

https://github.com/KHwang9883/MobileModels/blob/master/README_en.md

[hushed raven]

Oh nice one! ty!

[rain apex]

u know how false is 0 and true is 1 in C is that true for all languages

[cinder karma]

Noish

[rain apex]

im trying to do a C# list.OrderBy(thing => thing.BoolField) and im assuming false goes first

[hushed raven]

I can't speak for all languages but for Lua, JS, Python, and Java, yes

[rain apex]

is systemverilog different

[devout vault]

-# technically anything "not 0" in C/++ is true, like 7, or -2

[cinder karma]

In c#, false is 0, true is usually 1, but technically true can be any no zero number

[rain apex]

yes but it says here in stdbool.h that true is 1 https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9799919799/

RATIONALE

None.

[little furnace]

No, because I can easily make a language where it's the opposite, so we need to assume that somebody has already done that.

[rain apex]

yea ig that is valid answer

bc i was kind of wondering if there is cpu reason to do 0 1 instead of 1 0

[devout vault]

The distinction between "true"/"false" and "truthy"/"falsey"

[long verge]

i think it's a norm ?

[devout vault]

actually yes

There's a "jump if zero" comparison instruction (to simplify a bit)

(And a "not zero" one too)

[rain apex]

ah but did i actually assume right here for C#

[little furnace]

At lowest level, there's only "off" and "on", which may or may not be 0 and 1.

Unless it's quantum computing.

There were computers that also used positive and negative current.

[cinder karma]

God that sounds awful

[little furnace]

Those non-binary computers were unfortunately stigmatized against.

[cinder karma]

For good reason!

[long verge]

According to chatGPT there's no ISO defining this behaviour, it's just a C thing

[little furnace]

The use of either the higher or the lower voltage level to represent either logic state is arbitrary. The two options are active high (positive logic) and active low (negative logic).

[hushed raven]

most people I have the misfortune of talking to around where I live have negative logic

[cinder karma]

In systemverilog, things are different btw

You have the four states of 0, 1, X, and Z

Also any new gifs from anyone

[long verge]

Are you telling me that before leaving a shitty company you can switch these two in the whole codebase

[little furnace]

I think these are more low-level then most things you can easily switch.

[cinder karma]

Not when the silicon has hit the fab tbh

But yeah, active low is a thing

Active low is actually pretty popular for many reasons, lol

[sand frost]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ternary_computer

[rain apex]

what ix X and Z

[long verge]

what's the benefits of this ?

[cinder karma]

X = unknown.

Z = high impedance

[little furnace]

X: Prof. Charles Francis Xavier
Z: Zorro

This is incredibly simple and my first attempt at a Cycles solution and I'm surprised I'm at the top of the leaderboard.

[cinder karma]

Is that the triple bond

Cute

[hushed raven]

That's very much like what I did, it's very satisfying

[safe dragon]

damn...

now I gotta improve my solution

[errant comet]

What's this game and what exactly do you do in it

I see it's called opus magnum

[safe dragon]

ok my current solution for this one is quite terrible

[little furnace]

Opus Magnum. You need to program the arms to to move and combine alchemical elements to create products.

[errant comet]

So like plc

[little furnace]

Kinda.

[errant comet]

Oh I see

Neat

[little furnace]

Programming is not really programming though. The puzzles are usually easily solvable, but you have leaderboards for each of the three categories (Cost, Cycles and Area), and you try to optimize for one of them (or build different solutions for each).

The "code":

[errant comet]

So it's more about cost and time effectiveness

That's pretty important so yeah fair enough

[hushed raven]

There is also a story too which is quite nice

[errant comet]

Looks cool, I gotta try it too

[little furnace]

If you want to. Nothing is mandatory, which is nice. Of course I will only advance to the next level if I manage to beat everyone I'm friends with in each category.

Which is an increasing number of people.

I noticed I figure out the best solutions when cuddling with my cat.

[safe dragon]

ok it's 1 am but I had to at least do something. Easily beatable tho

[errant comet]

Cat purring does align those brain molecules

[safe dragon]

very just uh... thrown together

[little furnace]

Looks nice though. Very fluid.

[safe dragon]

atlas are we not steam friends...

alright invite sent

need more names on the leaderboard

time to sleep

[hushed raven]

Added you, can't wait to beat everyones scores XD

[safe dragon]

damn you're already bringing out the double claw line loops

[little furnace]

They are necessary at that level.

[safe dragon]

I'm relatively sure you can still cut a full cycle out of each round

[little furnace]

Pretty sure.

[safe dragon]

I have an idea but it's for tomorrow

btw I like that you have a claw in the top left doing genuinely nothing

it's just chilling

[little furnace]

Yeah, I forgot about that. A leftover from earlier attempts.

[cinder karma]

Whee!

I love the little circling around the triple bond station

Do u have to go in a specific order

[safe dragon]

no you just need to hit all 3 directions

[cinder karma]

The coordination between so many arms

[little furnace]

Improved by 10 cycles.

...

It can obviously be improved. If you look at the left source, it has a downtime of two cycles. Downtime is bad.

[cinder karma]

Some asshole decided on parking behind me?

Rude

[hushed raven]

sell their car for parts, it's the only obvious answer

[dusty pollen]

not all the puzzles stay easily solvable, dw

especially once you get to the area constrained ones

there's one in the journal I'm so stuck on

[cinder karma]

Oh my god

Okay they moved

Srill

[prisma flume]

srill.

[cinder karma]

Hi bluebs

[red crest]

i would like to change my official title to code alchemist

[cinder karma]

How is my third favorite pie doing?

[prisma flume]

wow

not even second

[cinder karma]

Would you have to make two products per cycle?

[little furnace]

Per cycle? That would be impossible. Do you mean loop? Because I don't really know. I like to optimize picking up the elements before doing anything else.

[cinder karma]

Per loop yeah

[prisma flume]

coder > programmer > developer > engineer > scientist > alchemist > god

[cinder karma]

Per product you need three inputs

[cinder karma]

coder > programmer > developer > engineer > scientist > alchemist > god > cooks

[little furnace]

Yeah, true. So six inputs for two products. Three pickups per input, two products per loop. Thank you.

[devout vault]

coder > programmer > developer > engineer > scientist > alchemist > god > cooks > professional cat cuddler

(I assume this is "progression into transcendence", not "greater than")

[prisma flume]

yeah I realised after sending that I'm using chevrons as arrows not operators

which is the goal. coder is not better than god

[hushed raven]

And yet many think they are

[prisma flume]

this is why they are the lowest 🙂‍↕️

[cinder karma]

I spontaneously bought ingredients for pizza

[dusty pollen]

I'll take "things that are probably true but you shouldn't say to a decent number of devs" for 100, alex

[dusty pollen]

coder > programmer > developer > engineer > scientist > alchemist > god > cooks > professional cat cuddler > cat

[rain apex]

does this mean i can be a code coder

[dusty pollen]

I'd argue you already are one

[rain apex]

i do like code professional cat cuddler

but i dont have the prereqs for this class change

[prisma flume]

statue of uncertainty 🫴 10000g please

[cinder karma]

coder > programmer > developer > engineer > scientist > alchemist > god > cooks > professional cat cuddler > cat > dog

[hushed raven]

coder > programmer > developer > engineer > scientist > alchemist > god > cooks > professional cat cuddler > cat > dog

[devout vault]

them fightin' words

[rain apex]

https://tenor.com/view/kanna-pay-money-gif-24746936

[regal ingot]

an actual non-contrived example where this is false:
It depends on what exactly you mean by "true" and "false", but if you go with the (IMO reasonable) definition that "true" is the thing that causes the consequent of an if to happen then shell languges (e.g. bash, zsh) treat a return value of 0 as true.

[dusty pollen]

afaik the reason it's that way for most programming languages is so you can do integer arithmetic on bools and get what you'd expect

* is AND, + is OR, non-zero converts to 1 between steps

[prisma flume]

i wasn't aware int/bool was a legal conversion in c#

python for sure does c-style, js/ts is insane as u would expect

[red crest]

adding bools in JS is one of my favourite pastimes and im always sad whenever i cant do it in C#

[prisma flume]

i do like if (object && !number) function()

[red crest]

that one i also use a lot

[prisma flume]

it worked great until we had someone use !number for a method that had different behaviour for each of null/undefined/0 values of number

[regal ingot]

c-style is that way because C had no boolean type at all for a very long time, and treating 0 and not-0 as false/true is really the only thing that makes sense when you can do math on the underlying integral types.

[worn remnant]

why use bool when int do trick

[rain apex]

i thought its a char

that did the trick

[red crest]

why bother with calling it an int or a char or a bool or whatever else. why dont we just have one singular type to unite them all, so that we can treat everything as some sort of Object

[steel kraken]

Everything is void*

[devout vault]

Or an 1/8th of a byte, if you're std::vector<bool>.

But we don't talk about std::vector<bool>

[steel kraken]

was vector<bool> the one that was considered a mistake because it kinda sucks perf wise?

[cinder karma]

I thought I was being so clever

[fleet wren]

it optimizes for space; I don't recall if it's worse performance wise but it's a mistake because it's not actually a vector, but a different type masquerading as one and thus it tends to break innocent code expecting any good ol' vector<> in half

like it should have been its own bitvector type

instead of removing the ability to construct an honest vector of bools

\seems like it's worse than an "honest" bool vector performance-wise as well (per google searches)

[prisma flume]

i'll believe it when i see it
https://www.windowslatest.com/2026/03/21/microsoft-confirms-a-major-windows-11-update-with-faster-explorer-reduced-copilot-and-more/

yes apple. keep gaining a competitive market share. get them off their asses

[fleet wren]

honestly them admitting windows have problems is impressive

I'm not a CEO but I feel like saying stuff like that is a good way to get investors to send ninjas to your house

[devout vault]

Yeah. Like, imagine if a List<bool>'s functions could have different semantics than... every other list

I think one of the main differences is the addressability of the elements, which is usually important in C++. Like &v[3] == &v[5] for example

[prisma flume]

well they barely admit there's a problem, just that they're delivering improvements

[supple ether]

related to this, I noticed that some point they added an alternate file browser

I dont know why. explorer is fine

[devout vault]

-# * as long as those improvements do not break backwards compatibility with past C++ no matter how old, and often also C

-# including ABI

[supple ether]

It's called Files and it looks and runs like ass

[devout vault]

New app can be better designed to siphon your data, of course!

[prisma flume]

huh. not installed on my win11

[devout vault]

Same

[supple ether]

hmmmm weird

wait this is third party

where did it come from

[steel kraken]

I have never heard of it

[supple ether]

neither did I until now

[little furnace]

Nope, it's a Microsoft 365 companion app.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365-apps/companions/overview

The suite includes:

• People companion: Find people in the organization (and others they have communicated with), pin close collaborators to accelerate workflows, and quickly learn about people in current meetings without disrupting workflow.
• Files companion: Find your Microsoft 365 files, preview file contents, share files with colleagues, and access recently used documents.
• Calendar companion: Access Microsoft 365 calendar, view upcoming events, join meetings, and search appointments directly from the taskbar.

[pliant snow]

...huh

oh those files are owned by root, weird

[cinder karma]

pretty much every time I post a gif I can immediately see where to make it better (ie, rotate the top right a little so I can use two arms and not the hex arm, which means I then don't have to pause the hex arm to sneak the water past it, etc.)

[weak obsidian]

sudo rm the file (dont)

heard that brings good joy

fixes all your owned by root issues

[supple ether]

Different app I think
https://files.community/

I don't pay for ms office and as far as I know it's not installed

[weak obsidian]

Ohhh I saw that app

tho there were a lot of issues, like taking a really long time to open for some users

Is it more performant yet than the base file explorer? Or is it still laggy

im rather new to this app, is this electron shipped as a UWP, but acts like File Explorer?

[cyan shadow]

God, I tried that myself a few months ago. It has a lot of potential, but it has a TON of issues that prevented me from keeping it installed

[weak obsidian]

does look good, tho when I click the dropdown for drives and folders, its stuck at a 60hz animation (rather than 240hz), some areas arent animated, and oddly it has some blur on my 1440p screen

tho its functionality seems great

[cyan shadow]

It looks pretty good, but yeah, the animations being stuck at 60hz + lag + some inconsistent design decisions made me drop it

[devout vault]

Am I misunderstanding what 60hz means in this context

[weak obsidian]

Certain parts of the app have animations that update around 60 times per second. Even though my system and Windows 10’s compositor can handle higher refresh rates, these animations aren’t taking advantage of it, for example, they don’t reach 240 Hz

I'm assuming the app's internal animation timer for some elements is being hard-coded to 60

[devout vault]

Okay so I am understanding right

I’m baffled that 60Hz is a problem

[weak obsidian]

Yeah..it’s not really a problem for some people, 60 Hz is totally fine for most screens. The reason it stands out here is that on high-refresh monitors (144 Hz, 240 Hz), the app’s animations are locked to 60 fps, so they don’t look as smooth as they could (for mine, it looks very choppy). It just isn’t taking advantage of the higher refresh rate

[cinder karma]

It's a file manager what does it need to do

Tbh I rarely open a file manager these days

[weak obsidian]

For most users, it’s a file manager, just open files, so 60 fps seems fine. But on some peoples setups, with a high refresh monitor, the dropdowns and some animations feel very choppy because some of the app's elements are capped at 60 fps, it’s functional, just not as smooth as it should be

I might take a look at that issue later to see if I can submit a PR for it, family’s coming over, but it’s likely not too bad to fix

[devout vault]

I don't think I'd even notice on my 100Hz monitor

[weak obsidian]

Mm, probably not, it's not too high of a refresh rate

[devout vault]

(It goes up to 160Hz, but I get nausea or headaches from higher refresh rates)

[weak obsidian]

Really? Oof I'm sorry to hear that

[devout vault]

It's basically a never an issue unless something changes it without me knowing

In which case the Symptoms™ come back and it takes me a bit to think to check again, because it happens so rarely

Not even once a year

[weak obsidian]

I'd recommend investing in a 60-120hz OLED in the future than

no need to go expensive OLED with 240hz

a few weeks back, I saw a great OLED for 350 dollars, 90hz, but i dont think its there anymore

[devout vault]

I am perfectly happy with LCD 😛

[weak obsidian]

Okkii, good to know, just in case u wanted to spoil urself with da colors : D

(iam on LCD, too poor to be 240hz OLED)

[cinder karma]

One of my pet peeves is using the word "investment" for a purchase

[little furnace]

Some basic functionality like copying or pasting, preferably handling archives, good options to sort files and preferably the option to display sizes for directories, which the Microsoft one still can't.

[weak obsidian]

What is this "investment" 👀

[little furnace]

Oh, and using SI-prefixes like GiB.

[cinder karma]

Unless that particular purchase is definitely going to reduce further outgoing expenditures or will raise income it is not an investment

[weak obsidian]

Does it open TAR files? I think Windows 10 can't sadly, only Windows 11 or Linux/Mac

[cinder karma]

cp mv rsync have never failed me

Tar on the other hand takes a try or two

[little furnace]

I think it does, but last I tried the app it really struggled with directories over 10,000 files.

[weak obsidian]

Getting an AVR (the big power bank thingy that protects voltage spikes and runs on battery when there is no power ) is a good investment for a PC

[cinder karma]

Directories over 10000 files

What

[little furnace]

Some older games are like that. Or working with raw archives for [redacted].

[cinder karma]

ls would handle that :(

[little furnace]

Probably. But the advantage of a GUI is not having to type the name.

[devout vault]

In non-GUI defense, after a certain point of keyboard proficiency, it becomes much faster to do something like ls Direc-<tab complete> than it would be to scroll and find said direction and double click it

Especially in the context of really large directories

That is of course assuming you know what you're navigating to

(and if you need to do further things, you'd probably do cd Direc- and then ls)

[cinder karma]

On my work setup I also have fuzzy matches, etc, set up

So I can basically do cd_match (whatever)

[devout vault]

Ah yes, ffn, the terminal counterpart to debug fin

<gets smited for being on topic>

[cinder karma]

If you saw my work setup yeha

You would understand why I wrote bash for a fuzzy match folder selector

Also it launches a select menu too

Very fun

[little furnace]

Technically yes, but often I look through a new directory for files that might be related to what I'm trying to do, and then open one when it appears interesting.

[devout vault]

Yeah, it definitely is more suited for some use cases than others in my opinion. That's why I mentioned that specific example

It's also a large part of why I prefer using git on the command line

[weak obsidian]

See, it's not that simple.

You essentially need an Electron-based application (distributed as a Flatpak) just to render a web interface. From there, the application requires access to your Downloads directory, so you’ll need to explicitly grant filesystem permissions within the Flatpak sandbox, either narrowly scoped or full access to avoid unexpected issues. In some cases, you may also need to ensure it’s running under X11 for compatibility reasons, depending on how the app handles rendering and input.

Once that’s configured, the web interface initializes a virtualized command environment inside the page. This environment relies on a backend layer for handling file system abstraction and command parsing, which is where additional runtime dependencies come in, namely Python for scripting support and Ruby for parts of the tooling chain used by the environment. These components are required to properly emulate the expected shell behavior and bridge interactions between the sandboxed filesystem and the in-browser terminal.

At that point, you effectively have a sandboxed Flatpak container running an Electron application, which embeds a browser, which renders a website, which initializes a virtual command layer backed by external runtimes

(Please take nothing from what was sent, x11 is a security nightmare, and python + ruby aren't essential for this, I also had no clue how we could even add Ruby into this. this is a joke on how to do LS in the most complicated way)

[cinder karma]

Btw I'm not surprised

I like a bit vector but unless you're pulling things out as packed values you're likely slower

Wouldn't help in the random access scenario either

[cinder karma]

Lol, Google thinks I want ads for the bank i literally just opened an account at

[little furnace]

Spent another three hours on this without any result.

[prisma flume]

buying a monitor for refresh rate seems like an extremely low priority compared to size and resolution

what's the point in having 240hz if it's on a 24in 1080p panel

[little furnace]

What I care most about in any screen is DisplayPort support. Unfortunately that is still rare for TVs.

[weak obsidian]

No..

See

I love having 512hz on my 720p 32inch monitor (sarcasm)

1440p is beautiful, 4k is delicious

I mean

1000HZ at 480p 50 inch tv

Really makes such a wonderful delicious

Screen

(Reason im saying delicious a lot is cause I ate a huge burger at cracker barrel with bacon, cheese, slightly toasted buttered brioche buns)

[little furnace]

Honestly, I barely notice the difference between 1440p and 4k.

I really like 3:2 and 16:10 on laptops.

This is still not top percentile... I don't know what to improve. The quicksilver is 100% efficient.

Nevermind.

I forgot that it needs to go to output first for it to be fast.

[cinder karma]

meanwhile I've given up on anything but "finish the damn puzzle"

[little furnace]

Are you at least having fun? It would be awful if your second video game was a bad decision.

[cinder karma]

I'm sensing sarcasm

[little furnace]

Nope, genuine interest.

[cinder karma]

it is not good on any metric of any type but it is complete

(it is fun)

I've noticed my issue is that I tend to try to get to clever and then can't move the product out of the tiny box of arms I'm trying to work in

also, iro, love for hex arms gone, love for two tiny arms working in parallel

[little furnace]

Yay.
I know that issue. I try to solve it with longer arms, but these have weird angles, and then I use tracks to cover all ground and then I have a big box of tracks.

[dusty pollen]

two tiny arms working in parallel gets your cycles down by 1 and area down by a lot but increases your cost 😌

[fleet wren]

yeah I pretty much stop absolute cycles optimizing for the more complex puzzles (it kinda stops being fun then)
my usual solution style are ones that try to be best effort at everything (including aesthetics), and they look better than the style conveyor arms/belt loops/etc. that I would have otherwise gone for when chasing absolute cycles

in today's solution: the great escape

sum should be an official metric fr fr

[cinder karma]

that one is cool

cool

[cinder karma]

i kept on having random hex arms I forgot about carry stuff off

also, I started taking the timer block and throwing it about ten instructions out so I could see what it would do without repeats

this one I think has at least some claim to aesthetics, if not...anything else.

[prisma flume]

definitely more noticeable at larger screen sizes (30in+)

imo 24/27/30in are the cutoffs for 1080/1440/2160p

assuming we're talking monitors anyway, the difference is less noticeable at distance for tvs

[cursive sigil]

i was not prepared for this atra gaming arc

[hardy jewel]

is atra dying

or have they been replaced by alien intelligence

[devout vault]

It was a 2.5 month channel-wide operation to get atra to play a new video game /s

[little furnace]

Proud to have been a part of it.

[hardy jewel]

is opus magnum considered genuinely fun or did you guys just convince atra to do programming-like-things in a different form

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-meme-shrek-good-question-good-question-gif-7176451729184982026

[prisma flume]

opus magnum is a gateway to scratch

[fleet wren]

I 100% the main campaign in 2020, long before any of these posers even started smh my head

obligatory that was a joke

[little furnace]

It's not my fault that I was only born last year :P

[hushed raven]

Having more RAM than I could even possibly use is wild to me bc what do you mean Firefox is using 24GB and Skyrim is using 20GB, these programs have never see so much usage!

[fringe carbon]

-# me, having ~30 GB of stuff in a ramdisk

[hushed raven]

having a RAM disk may be useful at some point, I entirely forgot it existed and was a thing I could do

[fringe carbon]

I have a /mnt/ramdisk folder on all of my systems and a line such as this in my /etc/fstab:

# Ramdisk
none /mnt/ramdisk tmpfs noatime,nodev,nosuid,nodiratime,size=48G 0 0

The none at the beginning should probably say tmpfs but it works regardless

[hushed raven]

its that easy to set up? I expected it to be a bit more involved, oh the joys of linux XD

[fringe carbon]

it really is that easy to set up. Best part? tmpfs doesn't actually claim the memory until there are files in there using it

a 48GB ramdisk claims zero space until you start putting stuff in there

[hushed raven]

Oh that's amazing!

[dusty pollen]

what is a ramdisk fast temporary storage in ram?

[hushed raven]

yep!

[fringe carbon]

Indeed.

[dusty pollen]

ah, stuff for people who have more than 8gb of it then

[rain apex]

I only got 32 ram and unlike atlas i use a reasonable number of browser tabs

[fringe carbon]

they can be useful even on 8 GB RAM. I use zram for swap on my systems, which helps stretch RAM further as well. I have 64 GB on this laptop though lol, I love it

[hushed raven]

very useful for data processing where you have a lot of files you need to go through and you want it done quick, which is about 75% of the coding I do, that way you aren't limited by the (comparatively) slow read/write speed of a HDD/SSD

[fringe carbon]

access times on lots of small files are a killer, on SSDs and HDDs

[hushed raven]

Stares at you in 1083 open tabs

[prisma flume]

32gb is a sensible number of rams

[rain apex]

I think this is where i pull out the sqlite

[hushed raven]

Oh I didn't think of that either, thats a very good point

[prisma flume]

i dont know where firefox tells you how many tabs you have but i do have 13 windows

[dusty pollen]

what's this data you guys are processing all the time

[fringe carbon]

on an SSD, I think that's often going to be the biggest problem/limitation, rather than actual read-write limits. Yes, a ramdisk can definitely read and write faster, but switching to opening and reading/writing from different locations is a huge benefit

[prisma flume]

probably best i dont look at the tab count

[hushed raven]

I have an extension for it, I don't think theres a native firefox way to my knowledge

[rain apex]

When i have more than 10 tabs I go and then close all of them without looking

If i need it I'll find it in history

[prisma flume]

i could never live so recklessly

[rain apex]

[hushed raven]

A lot of minecraft files and using my computer as a workhorse for a couple friends that are doing further education in labs but do't have the computing power to run stuff with lots of data quickly

[dusty pollen]

I used to be a many tabs heathen but then I started doing this too 😌

[hushed raven]

my history is a mess, I would never XD

[prisma flume]

i do that for my work chrome instance but firefox exists to me as some kind of long-term memory substitute

[dusty pollen]

I have never had to actually go into history to find a tab I closed

after ten tabs I just realise I'm not going to find it in my open tabs either

[prisma flume]

see this is why tab groups and containers were invented

[fringe carbon]

I have when I closed something on accident or couldn't remember where I found something

[dusty pollen]

but if I can't see a tab it doesn't exist blueberry

[hushed raven]

Also rarely use them, I'm just raw dogging open containerless tabs like the heathen I was born to be

[little furnace]

Keep in mind, everyone, that Ctrl + Shift + T restores the most recently closed tab. And it will cycle if that one has already been restored. This saved me countless times.

[prisma flume]

but my interesting photos. my references. my articles. my research. my furniture listings. my api docs. my watchlists. my youtube videos i might watch

likewise in firefox ctrl-shift-n restores the last window

[fringe carbon]

I use Chromium for things I log into, and Firefox for random web searches (each using different sets of relevant extensions and settings)

On Chromium, I have a few profiles set up, each with some containers of tabs. I like my setup

[prisma flume]

some would say dramatically more useful than ctrl-shift-t even if less often used

especially when ctrl-w closes a tab but the errant ctrl-shift-w closes the window

[hushed raven]

Accidentally closing a window has happened too many times, How I survived without knowing you can reopen windows and not just tabs is beyond me, teenage me suffered for so long

[prisma flume]

to be fair reopening closed windows is relatively recent and until recently (maybe until now) is a bit hairy and does have a limit, especially restore session after close

the great tabocalypse of 201whatever when my 'everything' window wasn't included in restore session

all those memories lost in time, like tabs in the ram

[fringe carbon]

you just needed to spray it with a can of compressed air held upside down, pulled the sticks out, and begun manual tab extraction, silly you

[worn remnant]

tabs in ram (errant "the")

[prisma flume]

look just because its my favourite movie doesnt mean ive watched it in the last 15 years

[devout vault]

-# did you know you can search your tabs

[devout vault]

I have had several of those over the years...

[red crest]

Having several of those tabocalypses is why I downloaded an extra extension to doubly save my session to restore it whenever I open my browser

[prisma flume]

i was using one. it turned incompatible in that firefox version update 🙂‍↕️

lol

[red crest]

Simply never update browser ever

[prisma flume]

i was doing that. but one by one websites start locking you out because of their new bullshit

[weak obsidian]

My dad had the blue and Grey lines on his firefox tabs a year ago

I rhink it was last used 3 or 4 years ago

4 I think

He didnt update since he bought the PC

Think he was on a really old windows 10 version too

[weak obsidian]

User agent extension

[prisma flume]

i am not going back to firefox 56.0b9 useragent extension or not

[dusty pollen]

but if I can’t see them they don’t exist, casey. how could I search a tab that doesn’t exist. nonsensical

[devout vault]

"Let me see if I looked this up at some point and forgot. Oh look, 27 tabs about it!"

[hushed raven]

"oh look, the same persons github open in around 15 tabs"

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7758 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1485090770498359296)

New quote added by atravita as #7759 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1485090703070466202)

[prisma flume]

.q @prisma flume

[heavy dagger]

#5293

cd project bblue right here

• @prisma flume (Jump)

Jan 18, 2021, 4:04 PM

[prisma flume]

oh no its about love of cooking

[cinder karma]

this is an accurate assessment of the game

please for the love of god I forgot I left that atom there this solve was going so well until I had hydrogens to deal with

[dusty pollen]

those “hydrogens” are lead

[cinder karma]

will arm 4 be my savior

arm 4 being the one I forgot was carrying a hydrogen

arm 4 is not my savior

arm 6?

arm 6, plz

arm 4 (the one on the horizontal rail in the top right) saves the day!

I'm gonna leave this playing on the other monitor while I do my taxes

I was pretty happy with the one-two flick of ||exasperating salt from lead|| but the cleanup after that is bad

[fleet wren]

the salt yeeting is clean

the lead deconstruction is clean too

[dusty pollen]

||“exasperating salt from lead” atra is the mc of the dlc confirmed||

[dusty pollen]

@hushed raven are you playing opus magnum on a steam deck

that's worse than crumble dragging every instruction why are you doing this to yourselves 😭

[hushed raven]

Its actually insanely comfortable XD I have 2 radial menus with the pieces and the quick hotkeys setting enabled in game

[dusty pollen]

oh, that sounds not completely awful

not as easy as just typing them but passable

[hushed raven]

Oh ye deffo not as easy as typing, although you can probably get a very similar experience to typing by using the Fred menu instead of radial

[dusty pollen]

fred?

[hushed raven]

Fred??? Phone please, come on, g r i d menu

Auto correct wants to make my life hell XD

[dusty pollen]

Fred menu

the way I immediately accepted that's a thing I just wasn't aware of

[hushed raven]

Those extra track pad menus are quite arcane XD my friend refuses to touch them because they look so complicated XD

[hushed raven]

[Invisible Ink] not my best but it sure makes a really nice backing beat

[cinder karma]

does anyone wonder what happens outside the machine with these ||polymers swimging left and right||

[cinder karma]

tbh, elegant!

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-x-family-spy-family-elegance-such-elegance-anya-gif-25620538

[cinder karma]

I am very happy with this one although it's...pretty obvious tbh

[hushed raven]

I was stuck on that one, I have an idea how to fix it now though so thank you XD

[cinder karma]

tbh this is the straightforward way, I think area would be more interesting for this puzzle

[hushed raven]

I have a plan for an area of 6 version but it's just a lot of very similar sections of encodings, which is painful without being able to save them as functions

[cinder karma]

I was just thinking

1. I would like to double click on a rotation to switch the direction
2. I would like to double click on a repeat to seperate into the invidual blocks
3. Ditto for returns
4. I would love to be able capture a group and rotate it (especially for the polymer puzzles because I can't just rotate the polymer)

[devout vault]

New atra QoL modding arc????

[cinder karma]

you can tell where I had to painfully rotate sword alloy, right???

and reprogram those little baby arms again

[hushed raven]

If only opus wasn't a pain to mod, the obfuscation and just lack of building has been causing issues for about an hour now XD

[devout vault]

Oh, is that what the obsfucation comment was about

[hushed raven]

I managed to make it not need to be rotated, but it wasn't the cleanest at all

[hushed raven]

Yep, helps when the decomp doesn't break midway through though

[cinder karma]

here's my invisible ink, btw.

had a vision, it quickly devolved into nonsense

(the two are 180 degree rotational copies.)

and this one I'm happy with

[hushed raven]

I tried to do a mirrord version but it didn't quite turn out as I hoped because oh where I placed the waters

[cinder karma]

the waters!

look at the tiny baby arm making reagents for the rest of the solve

[cinder karma]

easy improvements..leave the salt, don't move it to any empty slot, that's a better position for left arm to grab from...

the real problem is the tiny baby arm having to delay moving the water to the final resting spot (you can see where I tried to get a different arm to do that move...)

which prevents it from resetting early enough and forces everyone else to pause for it

[hushed raven]

The pausing to do some weird dance has caused some wacky looking designs, might need to add elemental juggling to my CV given how much I do it

[fleet wren]

the only mod loader in existence requires you to downgrade to the launch version

and even with the DLC launch that doesn't seem to have changed

I think some games just aren't that amenable to modding lol (SMAPI spoiled us severely)

[rain apex]

Does it come with some sorta editor

Like a puzzle creator

[fleet wren]

it does

and steam workshop integration so you can upload your puzzles

[rain apex]

Ah so it's just hard to change actual ux stuff then

[fleet wren]

or coding in your own glyphs/atoms

[dusty pollen]

I have a major gripe about the editor

I should be able to make a triple bond to the ... atom if the atom it would end up being is a fire atom

it's really simple too because that's always the middle atom

this should be valid!!!

oh there's a really good online editor with more flexibility it looks like

hehe

[dusty pollen]

https://kotritrona.github.io/opusmagnum-puzzle-editor/ompuzzle.html the editor btw

[cinder karma]

Iro did you see my purified gold

[cinder karma]

This one

I'm pretty sure I can avoid at least one merge machine and some arms with better programming

But I'm just going through all the puzzles so i can see top percentile

[dusty pollen]

oh that is yet another mobile discord killing gif

it’s pretty!

[cinder karma]

If i could easily rotate groups i could pack it tighter and probably lose most of the length 2 arms

[little furnace]

I feel incredibly stupid for not realizing that I don't need to use the same glyph thrice to create all the bonds.

[dusty pollen]

it was just easiest in this case, yeah

wait did you not see the tutorial that pops up when you unlock it? it literally shows you doing it in one gif

[little furnace]

I think I did... I don't remember. I mean, I did use two, but only when trying to create two in parallel. And I was always annoyed that it's impossible to create all three bonds in three cycles.

I only had this:

To clarify, I never considered making the other bonds on any other glyph but the one where I created the first one.

[dusty pollen]

ohhh the opposite of what I thought you meant for some reason

[little furnace]

Yeah, I realized that I phrased it weirdly.

[quiet terrace]

I love placeholder textures

[hushed raven]

I did see that, I'm still attempting to use the launch version though, just a shame it's C# which isn't my forte but I figure people here will have an idea of certain things in a general sense if I get stuck which will help a LOT

[little furnace]

Discord's AI overview be like:

[supple ether]

Discord has an ai overview?

[little furnace]

It's hidden by default, but because it will be generated anyway (very likely server-side) and hiding it or not won't have any effect, I enabled it because sometimes it's funny.

Age-restricted channels are excluded, all other channels are likely automatically part of the AI input.

[cinder karma]

what the fuck is wrong with you guys

also I touched grass

[steel kraken]

ew

[little furnace]

WIP and the most esthetically pleasing mechanism I ever built.

[little furnace]

I just realized the implications of this. Because I thought a glyph is blocked until it has created a triplex bond, al my attempts so far have been based on trying to parallelize it with multiple glyphs. This caused needlesly complex solutions that were working around arbitrary restrictions and were never fast. In truth I could simply assemble the triplex bond in sequence, which means I can use a single pipeline, which means... brb

[safe dragon]

good lord

that's beautiful

when I said I had an idea for that level it was indeed to use multiple of the glyphs

but instead I've been playing Pokopia for too many hours

[cinder karma]

DLC spoilers: ||The glyph of rejection is annoying. I kept on having to be very very careful in the order I moved things in otherwise I would downgrade shit I didn't mean to downgrade||

[hushed raven]

[Alchemical Jewel] So. Much. Bonding. oml I dislike it XD

-# ignore the extraneous parts I forgot they were there...

I did just get the cycles down to 143 though so that's good

[prisma flume]

wow some #progo favouritism from the frequent moderators

[fleet wren]

it is unfortunate you are not green

wait were you ever green

[prisma flume]

history turns to hearsay, story turns to myth, all things turn to dust

[fleet wren]

yeah it's very eager

[red crest]

Blueberry is blue, not green, silly

[safe dragon]

we have special AI privileges let's gooo

[fleet wren]

in other non-alchemy news my robot vacuum joined robot heaven yesterday, and I'm eyeing some high-end replacements. seems like this time of year is the time for mass announcements of new models, which is unfortunate for me because I'm just a little too early for them to come out

[safe dragon]

rest in peace...

my roomba has been doin its thing for many years now

the little helicopter blade lookin brush thing stopped spinning a while ago

hoping I can fix it

[red crest]

(though it was said as a joke I do wanna assure that there was not any favouritism involved in the decision and that it was made with consideration that it is relevant here and especially so for people here who have jobs in the tech industry)

[hushed raven]

Can I still tell people to point and laugh at my friend after he used GenAI for coding and it corrupted many of his project files?

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #7760 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1485438965187219457)

[devout vault]

did I miss the moderator "favoritism", or am I blind

[safe dragon]

you have my personal permission which doesn't count for anything but you have it

[hushed raven]

Bullitin board

[hardy jewel]

somebody doesn't read #bulletin-board within 0.2 seconds of us posting...

(ai-talk is a nono everywhere apart from here, now)

[steel kraken]

tbh I thought that was mostly already the policy

[red crest]

The many arguments in modded-farmers and town-square show otherwise

[devout vault]

wow that's a long wall of text

[hardy jewel]

Our policy has been no ai-generated content anywhere, but no particular channel disallowed people discussing AI in general until now

[steel kraken]

I don't have those channels on my sidebar

[hardy jewel]

very many arguments have broken out and it is very awful

[steel kraken]

actually no, I do have modded-stardew but its muted

[devout vault]

I thought it was banned everywhere already

[red crest]

Yeah specifically the change here is "Discussion allowed" to "No discussion allowed"

Content =/= discussion

[devout vault]

I didn't see the bulletin board post because it was scrolled up from the sidebar (because I uncollapsed some categories at some point???)

[prisma flume]

✨ Summarize with AI

[devout vault]

id rather not get smited

today, anyways

[terse galleon]

are mentions still allowed as in like "sorry i can't help with AI generated code because xyz"

[red crest]

No one was allowed to post an AI generated pufferchicks but people were allowed to go into great detail about how AI generated pufferchicks made them feel.

[devout vault]

ahhhhhhh

okay yeah

[red crest]

Yes

[steel kraken]

I guess I'm too making-mods-general where the discussion is usually people trying to do content, and so the no AI content rule generally also meant shutting down those discussions anyway

[red crest]

Similarly you're allowed to politely point out if a mod that is posted or talked about is AI and thus cant be posted here, but you can't go "wow this mod is AI trash, creator sucks lol" or anything

Emphasis on politely

[hushed raven]

for some reason my first thought wasn't "an image of a pufferchick" but like AI powered genetically modifying a chicken into a puffer chick, in which case I would feel nightmarish if an actual pufferchick walked (swimmed?) past

[safe dragon]

you can only insult the creator directly no AI intermediary

[red crest]

Insulting the creators was already barred under our rules and needed no changing 😌

[steel kraken]

It's a shame that puffercop won't be returning unless we get some artists to draw some, but its a worthy sacrifice

[safe dragon]

darn

[hardy jewel]

the off topic channels love to go into depth about their opinions on ai as a whole and then argue about different viewpoints, which is extremely unproductive and you are lucky not to have witnessed them every other day

[hushed raven]

My condolences for all the junis who have to moderate that, sounds like a hell I wish not to participate in XD

[steel kraken]

This is why I can't go green. I don't want this list to grow

[red crest]

I appreciate that you keep #welcome unmuted so that you always feel welcome here.

[steel kraken]

with the removal of the voice channels that you cant properly hide anyway, I can keep that info section expanded without needing to scroll

[errant comet]

No mods art? 😔

[hardy jewel]

If you constantly mark the server as read or tap into the channels every 0.5 seconds you can keep up the illusion of the collapsed categories not existing when you don't want them to

[prisma flume]

true, the hidden benefit of deleting all voice channels is the moronic discord channel list entry that always shows voice channels if manually hidden is now quieter

[hardy jewel]

[red crest]

I still had the category name visible but I could hide the vc channels themselves just fine

[hardy jewel]

This is the true reason we removed them and I'm glad someone gets it

[red crest]

Through some combination of channel and category specific muting

[steel kraken]

I'm a certified blacksmith modder.
The only piece of art I've done was a placeholder image for Several Spouse Spots

[hushed raven]

Even though it's hidden they pop up again when anyone is in them, it's very annoying because I think someone messaged

[red crest]

I mean mine didn't pop up when someone was in em if I hid em right

[prisma flume]

'these voice channels are active now!!! look [content larger than anything else in the sidebar' shut up shit ipshut up shut up shut

[little furnace]

My list:

I also had to figure out where to look for the announcement.

[safe dragon]

damn I thought I was bad

[little furnace]

There's only one channel with cats and Opus Magnum. Or are there more?

[hushed raven]

It shrinks and grows randomly, depends if I close the suggested tab

[devout vault]

gasp

the secret

[steel kraken]

I redacted it on mine, just saying

[devout vault]

just a secret casey in yours

[hushed raven]

it's no secret you do crimes XD

[terse galleon]

i'm here for One Thing Only

[hushed raven]

so much of a none secret that you have two secret channels XD

[safe dragon]

one might even suggest that casey's name in this server might have something to do with code crimes

[hushed raven]

I will say I'm much more of a fan of shorter names, kittycatcasey - crime queen would fit much better with everyone else names

(except maybe atra)

[steel kraken]

short names are great

[red crest]

I used to have a lot more of the server hidden but it turns out when you become a mod they actually expect you to like, moderate other people.

[prisma flume]

strange. my channel list looks different to all yours

[worn remnant]

this is how i feel when i'm naming variables, too (i'll see myself out)

[hardy jewel]

barb, I think love of cooking is throwing an error

[rain apex]

Premium customer support where

[prisma flume]

they do have two separate versions of sailor styles installed so i think they qualify for the deluxe support package

[steel kraken]

Oh chu is regular cheeto colour, that's rare

[devout vault]

ts s hw i fl wn im nmg vars, 2
fixed that for you

[rain apex]

Wdym i touch grass frequently

[steel kraken]

I feel like you spend the majority of your time as a slithering

[rain apex]

-# jk i think im literally only orange during cooldown

[worn remnant]

i have never slithered on here and i doubt i ever will

[hushed raven]

I've had it once and I still think it was a mistake XD

[prisma flume]

the youth enjoys sms-ing on the worldwide web more than i

[rain apex]

Wow how do you do fellow kids

[devout vault]

chu you need to take a shower /s

[hushed raven]

Oh no! a moldy chu!

[rain apex]

I am waiting for my hair to dry

[quaint dew]

After a shower?

[rain apex]

Ya

[prisma flume]

pungent brown shade

[quaint dew]

Good job on showering/gen

[prisma flume]

more attention drawn to the enigmatic profile bio

[hushed raven]

I think my monitors colours may be off, that looks like like a red than a brown

[devout vault]

It could also be your eyes that are off!

[hushed raven]

Ye that's a very good point XD

[rain apex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RROitqOiqCM

[hushed raven]

for once it isn't my eyes and it is my monitor, looks fine on other devices, That what I get for getting a touch screen monitor for my desktop

[prisma flume]

so do you just sit there with your arms straight ahead to work or

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-typing-kitty-gif-224838385848627934

like that but touch screen instead of keyboard

[hushed raven]

it's a relic from the time where I had my monitors stacked vertically for drawing, such a poor design I shouldn't thought of it XD

[rain apex]

Do u use ur touch screen

[steel kraken]

tbh I miss having a touch screen laptop

[hushed raven]

on my desktop I don't but my laptop I only use the touchscreen, it's wonderful

[rain apex]

Are u ppl the target audience of microsoft surface

[hushed raven]

absolutely not, I did have one from my dad and it was horrible

[steel kraken]

owned a surface pro 3, surface book 1 and 2

[rain apex]

I once had a laptop with a touchscreen and every time i accidentally used it i got jumpscared

[steel kraken]

the surface book was quite fun

[little furnace]

The hinges of my Surface Book 3 kept getting dirty and the GPU disconnected. Back then I tried cliening them with various stuff that has something to do with cleaning: gasoline, nail polish remover, ...
In the end the contacts dissolved, but because I purchased extended warranty I kept it for another year before calling support one month before the warranty would have ended and said that the hinges no longer work.
They said they need to replace it, but don't have the Surface Book anymore, and asked whether I would be happy with a new Surface Laptop Studio.

[little furnace]

23. But I feel like I can get it lower.

[cinder karma]

arms 3 and 5 were boy scouts

I'm pretty proud of the reagent usage here, lol

not optimal but there's a lot of role swapping, etc.

[vivid python]

Thank you Joe Soap for writing print("Hello, World!")

[prisma flume]

to think that all my python programs are derivative works of (soap, 2010). the licensing is unbelievable

[dusty pollen]

oh apparently Joe Soap is like a British version of Joe Blow

[safe dragon]

I can't chat here today discord keeps crashing on my phone when I open this channel and scroll up

[prisma flume]

uh-huh. i see. of course. interesting. what

[cursive sigil]

Can't believe i finally found out what chu's bio is about

[little furnace]

Arms are not numbered in GIFs and I am unfamiliar with boy scouts, so I have no idea what that means.

[ebon hemlock]

til we have a programmer chat

[safe dragon]

welcome

[thin estuary]

you're mistaken, this is the Zachtronics chat

[dusty pollen]

it’s atra this time, not me!

[cinder karma]

I'll make it worse

I still haven't figured out sigmar's garden

Two of the puzzles I gave up on having a good time for or any elegance of

[hushed raven]

I'll maybe soon have the solver up at somepoint if you wanna get the solution for the achieve and story without figuring it out or spending time getting good at it, it's still a bit broken on any screen that isn't 16:9 and only include the first Sigmar's Garden, not the other two slightly different types XD

[cinder karma]

Oh I got 10 puzzles already

[cinder karma]

Their motto is "be prepared" or smth like that

There are two arms that stage reagents

[devout vault]

sounds like cheating to me

[hushed raven]

yes. that's exactly what it is, but only on sundays, any other day it's just gaming the system

[cinder karma]

Iro can I complain

[devout vault]

have you considered this solution

[cinder karma]

Whyyyyy are there ||limited space puzzles with trash cans and giant products and ahhhh||

[devout vault]

(just came across it on reddit and needed an excuse to post it)

[cinder karma]

Why are there ||limited space puzzles||

I feel like this entire page I'll just brute force my way through

Tbh

[devout vault]

atra when did you get opus magnum

[cinder karma]

If you're wondering about the play time it's because I forgot to turn it off lol

Total actual playtime is closer to 4 hours or so?

[little furnace]

After searching for a solution for another two hours, I have decided to admit I can't do this without additional tools. I will now prepare the ultimate weapon.

[devout vault]

oh

[cinder karma]

A lot of the early puzzles I just jammed through

[devout vault]

oh no

[hushed raven]

why sell your data to microsoft when you can sell it to google instead with the online only alternative, google sheets

[devout vault]

why not just write your own, even

It's not like you actually sell your data. I've never seen a cent from mine

[hushed raven]

part of me thinks "oh ye that would be easy to do" but then the other part slaps the first over the head for thinking that

[devout vault]

If they start paying me for my data I will reconsider my plan to burn MS/Google/etc. down to the ground /s

[hushed raven]

well they are selling your data, they just aren't buying it from you first XD

[devout vault]

You said "sell your data to microsoft"

That's "microsoft is selling their customer data to others"

[hushed raven]

why let microsoft sell your data* when you can let google sell it* instead with the online only alternative, google sheets

[cinder karma]

Anyways

Good mornin

I'm listening to a great podcast

[little furnace]

Guys, I only did that for a meme, in reality I did use the Google one.

Smoother than the previous one, but also slower.

The arm that doesn't do anything was used to kickstart stuff. It did the same thing the four bottom arms do, but during the first loop I need them to skip one turn, which isn't easy, so I just set them to start with a delay instead and did the first loop with the solo arm.

I used the new Stop Instruction for that.

[fleet wren]

conveyor belts are truly the platonic ideal of automation

[fleet wren]

for a monthly subscription of $200 I'm willing to sell access to the first 6 digits of my phone number
the last 4 digits have negotiable enterprise rates

[heavy dagger]

@devout vault: prepare to make atra play minecraft with me, since your poor feet will likely have recovered by then (84h ago)

[devout vault]

...I was just thinking less than 5 minutes ago that I should walk on my lunch break since its so nice out

it's funny that it swapped out my->your and but not me->you, implying me walking will make atra play MC with uberbot

[dusty pollen]

I am not in charge of complaint permission slips. direct those at the relevant entity 😌

[cinder karma]

I got to the limited space puzzles with thr parity issue and was like "no."

[little furnace]

22!!!!!

[cinder karma]

That's crazy

Oh meld is nice

Gui difff

[cinder karma]

Oh, since when did git not let me run commands on files other people own

CVE-2022-24765, huh

Ugh, I dont want to disable this protection permanently

Hmm, there isn't a halfway measure like read-only?

I guess not

[pliant snow]

People own files in git?

[cinder karma]

Common workstation

I'm poking someone else's home directory trying to see what they did or didn't commit basically

[pliant snow]

Is it time to dual boot nixos again... have i learned nothing...

[safe dragon]

it is

and you have not

[pliant snow]

Excellent, that's what i figured

[cinder karma]

Tbh modders might do well in my line of work

Given that I'm debugging postpnr again

So all my wire names are like n_7364738 and my instace names are g_937647

[safe dragon]

easy to remember

[cinder karma]

Crumble do u want to be my histogram friend

[safe dragon]

yes

account's linked in my discord profile

[hushed raven]

Confusion with my computer is becoming the norm, How is my computer using 29.6GB of GPU mem when my GPU only has 16GB? did I accidentally get an improved GPU or something by mistake?

[steel kraken]

The way task manager tracks gpu memory usage isnt great

[hushed raven]

This is the KDE system monitor, which probably isn't the most accurate either given the ram usage is entirely different in the applications tab vs the processes tab XD

[weak obsidian]

How does Firefox use 30gb ram? I put the whole profile in ram and didnt reach this sadly

[hushed raven]

I don't think it actually is, it htop only reports 3.5 gig being used by firefox, 10x less than system monitor reports

and top only reports 2.5 gb used, such imprecision wow

[steel kraken]

Could be incorrectly summing child processes, which seem to do reliably report cpu usage independently but report the same number of memory

Seen that often in htop in f5 tree view

[pliant snow]

Yeah, some tools treat cores separately, so if you have 12 cores, processes can actually sum up to 1200% total

I dont think I've seen that for memory tho

[hushed raven]

That seems right, actual usage is 1.5GB x 20 cores does equal 30GB, bit of an odd way of calcing it but now I know XD

guess I need to find a better resource monitor that doesn't do that

[cinder karma]

Just dont monitor resources

Use all of them and download meow

[devout vault]

.cat

[heavy dagger]

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/cdn2.thecatapi.com/images/-d7GY-cPZ.jpg

[devout vault]

Downloaded a meow to everyone here. You're welcome

[hushed raven]

Not even a mozart meow smh

I'll have you know only the finest meows are acceptable in this economy

[devout vault]

are they not all the finest meows

[hushed raven]

Of course not! the best meows are the ones I know, credibility does mean a lot, I wouldn't just download any old meow now, it's the internet, there may be infected meows

[hushed raven]

baby

[cinder karma]

Toasty baby

[lethal walrus]

lets see if these ones will yield anything

[errant comet]

Checking this channel on mobile is a game of russian roulette
I either see a kitty image or a discord breaking gif of magnum opus

Glad it landed on kitty twice

[sharp nova]

.cat

[heavy dagger]

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/cdn2.thecatapi.com/images/_ZCLqdQDV.jpg

[lethal walrus]

oh i didnt expect wine to do that properly

[hushed raven]

Is the Wine category one you made or one wine adds automatically?

[lethal walrus]

it added it automatically!

oo wine has its own notepad

[hushed raven]

I gotta figure out if that's something I miss configured then, That would be very useful!

[lethal walrus]

i just ran the 7zip installer via wine

maybe its because it added it to the windows start menu?

[hushed raven]

Ohh that could be it

[dusty pollen]

is it just me or are spell check and grammar check getting worse

my phone keyboard just got upset that I typed "it's novel" instead of "it's a novel" because it decided I must mean the latter

[dusty pollen]

...why?

7z has native linux support

it's how I handle .rars

[hushed raven]

✨ *Artificial Intelligence Stupidity *✨

[lethal walrus]

i only realised that after i had downloaded it

it was for opening an nsis installer

[little furnace]

My phone keyboard does only really predict, add additional words. But sometimes I wish it were smarter. When typing "Well,", it's likely I don't mean "We'll,". I would never put a comma there.

[hushed raven]

10 games for 30 quid, all but 9 of which are triple A? perfect, I love steam sales

[little furnace]

All but 9 of 10 games?

[devout vault]

I have suspected for a while that they have hooked it up to an LLM or something, because I’ve noticed the same thing

At least for the autocorrect part

[hushed raven]

wait no, all but 1 are triple A games XD

but it's now down to 9 games because I do not want to deal with kernel level anticheat XD

[cinder karma]

Ngl

I read this as "triple a=bad"

[safe dragon]

me looking at anyone sending me a steam invite whether they've recently played opus magnum

[cinder karma]

Hi! I sent you one :P

Two games on profile, remember?

Selph when you say 100% do you mean the solitare game too

[devout vault]

Guess I can't send one then. Y'all would find out ||it's not even on my wishlist, for some reason||

[hushed raven]

Me: "Oh a language that's cross platform that I'm unfamiliar with, cool! I'll check 8th out!"

8th is a commercial product which has a free version

Also me:

[copper ferry]

whats up with those green and yellow lines

on the left

[hushed raven]

That's showing lines that have been changed, usually it's seen when a file is part of a git repo, but some editors also show it compared against the last saved version

[copper ferry]

i see

what about the yellow one

[hushed raven]

i think the green ones are new lines and yellow are changed? if it follows the same system as most diff checks, theres a red arrow between two line which means a line was deleted

[copper ferry]

ah
okay, thanks!!

[quiet terrace]

I created the best (and first) real java program in my entire life

1 in 10 000 chnace every second you will get jumpscared by withered foxy on your pc

I should add so if the app detects its 6 am on your pc it will show you the night ending screen

[cinder karma]

No cat pictures or discord breaking gifs today I see

Yall should play a different game like terraria

[hushed raven]

Only if you also play it

Ignore the fact I am playing a different game rn

[cinder karma]

Terraria can have a similar 5k goal as MC

[hushed raven]

So I gotta do a 10k, noted XD

[cinder karma]

Technically they are separate and also walking is fine

[safe dragon]

paid/restricted programming languages are fascinating

logically it kinda makes sense that they'd exist

but it feels wrong

in a way it's kind of weird that programming languages are almost always free to use

[hushed raven]

thats the exact realisation I had too, it's such a weird concept

I question how they actually enforce it too