programmers-off-topic

[safe dragon]

classic

[safe dragon]

I know my local domino's uses windows for the same reason

[devout vault]

(Let me tell you, making memes on mobile is a harrowing experience)

[safe dragon]

lmao

I like how this implies I replaced the entirety of Microsoft Access with a document generator

our application is now a big pdf

I hate that that is technically possible

it'd be extremely cursed

[ivory shadow]

I hate PDFs in all their forms. They are all cursed.

[cinder karma]

I too hate pdf forms

[red crest]

I don't mind pdfs except for the fact that it's apparently impossible to find something on linux that can handle a PDF with javascript functions inside it

[fleet wren]

reminds me of my old post about wacky pdf adventures

who knows maybe ||Firefox|| might work

[red crest]

I could open it in ||Firefox||, but the javascript wouldn't work

[pliant snow]

What cursed pdf needs JavaScript

[red crest]

D&D character sheet that will auto-fill certain forms depending on things I select in other forms.

Plus some other stuff.

[fleet wren]

there are so many "interactive" addons on top of PDF whose implementation are all taken from various pages of the necronomicon

[rain apex]

If u are gluing js on these things maybe a website is the right call ...

[fleet wren]

XFA is the most cursed one because if your viewer doesn't support it it literally cannot even view the non-interactive version

[red crest]

chu you're not allowed to give me that react unless you wanna suggest software to solve my issue. them's the rules

I didn't make the PDF! Don't blame me!

[rain apex]

Oh no i meant the person who made it when i said you

[red crest]

A website would absolutely be the right call but I haven't yet gotten to the point where I'm sufficiently motivated enough to make my own. Also it sounds like a pain in the ass because the PDF can support basically all third party addons as well via community made scripts.

But my laptop I use to take notes during D&D runs Mint so it's annoying that I cannot update the pdf during the session

[fleet wren]

hmm "Qoppa PDF Viewer" is apparently suggested as one that might work

[red crest]

So you'd think

However it did not

[rain apex]

When my friends did a dnd one shot we used www.myth-weavers.com

[red crest]

It can recognize that the functions are there, but I could not use them

[devout vault]

Ah, the “look but don’t touch” approach

[rain apex]

But iirc that pdf is not scripted in any way? I had to maff it n stuff myself I think

It was just convenient for sharing

[fleet wren]

Adobe Reader in Wine it is

[devout vault]

Clearly, it’s time for the Button PDF viewer/editor

How hard could it be?

[red crest]

I tried installing Adobe Acrobat Reader with Wine and failed but I'm more certain that was user error in trying to figure out how to install things with Wine or whatever

[fleet wren]

well still better than "you can't even look, fuck you"

[devout vault]

Surely not more than 3

[red crest]

By that point the session was already over so I gave up for the day

[fleet wren]

that image fills me with rage even to this day

[devout vault]

…has adobe ever supported Linux?

[fleet wren]

can I sue the government under accessibility laws if their forms don't support Linux

[red crest]

(I am still a linux baby I have no idea how to use Wine or how to install things with Wine or run them with Wine. I don't use linux as a daily driver OS sorry for being a fraud)

[rain apex]

You just wine <whatever u want to run>

[devout vault]

Soon™

it is the year of the Linux desktop, after all. As was last year. And the year before that. And the…

[hushed raven]

(neither do I, I just add things to steam and run it through proton) There is also Lutris and Bottles which I think were made to make running things through wine easier? Haven't used either though

[red crest]

(That said I did just go straight to trying Bottles? And didn't look at JUST wine because I thought Bottles would make it more "click and go" rather than "find out which exact series of commands to run")

[rain apex]

How can i acquire a copy of the necronomicon js pdf

[red crest]

I'd have to do that on the installer first though, right? Like the adobe acrobat installer. That's what I tried to do via Bottles but the install wizard failed every time

[red crest]

https://www.flapkan.com/

[rain apex]

If u can find a portable app version of the thing then install is optional

[red crest]

Is there a portable app version of Adobe Acrobat

[rain apex]

But usually there's like a default wine workspace

[devout vault]

I think I ran an installer through Proton once on my steam deck? Or Lutris or something

[rain apex]

If u ran installer by wine cli

You can then go find where it put the stuff

[devout vault]

Maybe it was lutris for installer and proton for the actually installed

[red crest]

I didn't

Bottles had a GUI I ran the installer through

And I could see where it tried to install things to in its mock C: drive

But because the installer failed every time there was no resulting application to run

[devout vault]

Silly idea.

Did you see if it was the type of installer you can open with 7zip to pull the app out manually?

[hushed raven]

Thats a think?

oh wow that useful to know

[devout vault]

It’s been quite a while but I’ve done it before on windows

[red crest]

I don't think I can use this

[devout vault]

Check a few folders

[fleet wren]

https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=38286

To install, you need to:
Install Adobe Acrobat on a windows installation and copy it to Linux
Filepath: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat DC

[devout vault]

But yeah, good chance it isn’t gonna be available

I’ve seen less and less work that way as time goes on

[red crest]

"In order to use this on Linux, you must first do it on Windows and then move the results to Linux"
god I love linux. truly the peoples OS

[cinder karma]

Got it, grabbing a glass of wine

[little furnace]

I find it funny that Linux is a registered trademark but Mac is not.

[devout vault]

wine atravita —with-rust “as a treat”

no clue how to tell iOS to NOT make that an em dash

[cinder karma]

We were above 80f yesterday!

Wdym freeze warnibf

[fleet wren]

wait what, adobe acrobat dc for linux is a snap package???

[devout vault]

It’s gotten cold here again (by here standards)

Kinda

54, feels like 42

On Wednesday it’s gonna get down to 34

[red crest]

I tried this too and ran into errors in the CLI but I didn't try very hard (see: end of session comment) and that might've been user error too

The tendency for user error goes up when you are also trying to. yknow. pay attention to the session instead of doing anything with linux

[devout vault]

Linux ttrpg when

[little furnace]

You can install alternative onscreen keyboard apps even on iOS. Maybe like that?

[red crest]

I mean it already feels like I'm rolling a dice getting things to work sometimes

[devout vault]

Smh I don’t want a solution that actually takes effort

[fleet wren]

I installed it just now, no errors and it seems to be legitly working lmao

[little furnace]

It only takes effort the first time. It's like automating something for six hours when doing it manually would take 10 seconds.

[devout vault]

Relearn my muscle memory? No thanks

though I swear they’ve made the “buttons changing hitbox size based on predictive text” thing even worse than it used to be

[fleet wren]

whoever's mad enough to do the hard work and package it into a snap package have my gratitude

[little furnace]

This sounds like the most cursed feature.

[red crest]

I will give it another shot later then and spend more than 10 minutes skimming things this time
Still fucked up to me that Adobe Acrobat is the only thing I can use though

[devout vault]

It’s a pretty standard feature of phone keyboards, and has been for a long time.

And I hate it

I’ve never found a way to turn it off on iOS.

And it’s not exactly a documented feature, so it’d be hard to know if alternative keyboards would actually not do that

(I looked once in the past)

[little furnace]

No Android keyboard I ever tried had that. Neither AOSP nor GBoard nor SwiftKey.

[hushed raven]

Honeslty a bold choice using MPMB, I couldn't even get them to work on Windows

more patience than I

[devout vault]

Even contemplated making my own just to be sure.

Unfortunately the “must resign app after a week” thing makes me want to make custom apps much less

[red crest]

They worked flawlessly as long as I used Acrobat

Didn't need to fuss

[devout vault]

I’m fairly certain some default Android ones have it too.

It’s been a while since I looked into it though

Again, it’s not something they really tell you about

The visuals don’t change size

Just where the taps register

[little furnace]

I'm certain mine doesn't do that, because it shows me all my typos and fixes things after I press space. If it had that feature I wouldn't make all these typos. I think.

[hushed raven]

I could've sworn it was a thing on gboard but I cannot find it in the settings anymore

[devout vault]

Re:pdf stuff - all I’m saying is that pen and paper doesn’t have this issue (nor my issue) 😛

[devout vault]

So does mine.

The thing is that it doesn’t change them blatantly - it expands/shrinks the edges. So you’ll tap something, and just go “oh, I must’ve missed that key”

Since it’ll do the adjacent one instead

Like

[little furnace]

I'm looking to get into iOS development (that's where the money is), so I'll consider making a custom keyboard for you.

[devout vault]

I had to backspace and type “pdf” three times here

[devout vault]

I have a Mac I could do it on, and have poked at it with the dev tools.

But I don’t wanna resign my app constantly, nor pay apple just so I can make personal little test apps

[little furnace]

I think I'll run some tests now. I'm curious.

[little furnace]

My mother pays Apple so I can develop apps with her. And we are looking into automated resigns.

[red crest]

I like not having to write many paragraphs about what my character can do!

[devout vault]

Most of the recent experience I have with iOS has been for SDV.

And man, that is a nightmare workflow. Not because of SDV, because of the tooling

[little furnace]

If you want an app to be made, pitch it, we are trying to gather experience.

[rain apex]

Does your dm remind you what buttonpc can do

[devout vault]

I couldn’t get the console output of the game (simulator not fast enough - at least for my pre-apple-silicon Mac).

I couldn’t get the dotnet debugger to run.

I could barely to get it to deploy! With manual console tricks every time!

I got a c++ debugger going, and to debug a dotnet exception I had to dig into the c++ exception and hope the info I needed was there

From the terminal using gdb

[little furnace]

My mother loves developing on Mac for a reason I don't understand. I hate it.

[red crest]

I would say that is not the DMs job It's more about remembering specific numbers and when things recharge and whatnot rather than general "I can do this thing"

[devout vault]

I think it’s just c#/ios/aot woes in this case.

I’ve had much less issues with normal apps

Desktop ones

[pliant snow]

you haven't completed the blood sacrifice needed to get C# running on a mac

[little furnace]

I mean, I hate even touching the Mac, so I don't really have any experience other than "hate".

[rain apex]

is ios aot C# worse than android aot

[devout vault]

The pre apple silicon ones technically work with just red food coloring, but man, it is NOT happy

[rain apex]

Or is it specifically cus u have to use mac

[devout vault]

I don’t think you strictly need aot for c# on android like you do iOS?

But it’s probably just Mac stuff

[sand frost]

It wasn’t that hard imo

[devout vault]

can you make an app that will fix me

no more details will be provided

yes or no

[cinder karma]

Go ask myuu that lol

[cinder karma]

Give me an app to rule my life

[little furnace]

It will show you random pictures of cute cats whenever you need it. Does that help?

[little furnace]

Same as above.

[devout vault]

I almost pinged you and said “hey atra look a volunteer for your everything app”

[cinder karma]

Combine ynab with Google tasks with Google calendar. Integrate my email

Dont be a security nightmare

[devout vault]

But aren’t you android not iOS

[cinder karma]

Work with my bank

Yes

[devout vault]

.cat

[heavy dagger]

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/cdn2.thecatapi.com/images/qNV1Xv26Q.jpg

[little furnace]

I'd love to develop for Android but iOS has priority because people are more willing to pay money there.

[devout vault]

Uber why would you give me a picture that also has dogs

.cat

[heavy dagger]

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/cdn2.thecatapi.com/images/JiuZIbujr.jpg

[rain apex]

Maybe cus it's harder to side load things

[devout vault]

thank you

[devout vault]

Don’t worry, Google is working on fixing that

[little furnace]

I mean, I had planned on making all apps FOSS and only make them paid in official stores.

[rain apex]

The main apps i use on my phone is browser, social media things like discord, banking stuff, and the foss version of youtube

[hushed raven]

I'd be grand with a phone that can make and send texts, and browse the internet, that's like all I want or need in a phone, I rarely use it

[little furnace]

Weren't old Sony Ericsson phones like that?

[devout vault]

I still want to make a custom phone…

[hushed raven]

I am not old enough to have ever used one so I can't say XD

[rain apex]

Oh i thought of one thing i use that isn't frontend for some kinda platform it's my calculator app lol

https://help.mathlab.app/

[little furnace]

https://librephone.org/

[hushed raven]

good lord what a horrible website

[devout vault]

I’m not talking about the OS

Mainly the hardware

[hushed raven]

I want to also make a custom phone entirely because I get get rid of all the stuff I do not need at all to extend battry life

and add back remavable battries

[devout vault]

But also, considering the FSF’s weird stance on licenses and stuff, I wouldn’t be surprised if certain things were worse solely because they think stuff that works fine isn’t open enough or whatever

[rain apex]

I think EU is doing the removal battery thing

[devout vault]

(Unless I’m getting them confused with some other GPL…. Fans)

[hushed raven]

Oh I hope so, no longer being able to carry a spare battery is the worst decision phone manufacturers have ever had

[rain apex]

What is ur wishlist

[devout vault]

I don’t have one defined yet

But it needs All Of The Things with none of the drawbacks (/s)

[little furnace]

The big issue will be Qualcomm patents.

[rain apex]

I am pretty ok with my current phone but I do wish new phones didn't focus on camera so much

I don't need all that

[devout vault]

Look I’m not talking make my own circuits

(Missed a very important word there)

I’m talking buy a bunch of components and throw them together with OS changes to do what I need (if any)

[little furnace]

You'd need a SOC that has open drivers. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to properly run an OS on top of it.

[hushed raven]

tbf I reckon Valve may be able to help in that regard given their usage of snapdrag 8 gen 3 and custom SteamOS in the Frame

[little furnace]

The Snapdragon 8 Elite was open-sourced, but that one is pretty expensive.

[devout vault]

I don’t need my fantasies that I’ll never actually get around to, to be brought down by things like practicality /s

[little furnace]

I mean, I'm totally interested in that project. But it's going to be hard.

[ivory shadow]

I'm still disappointed that Google cancelled Project Ara.

[devout vault]

Anyways I gotta do long drive-y things now. Guess I gotta stop yabbering 😔

[hushed raven]

project ara was my hope for something genuinely customisable

[devout vault]

I never heard about this

[ivory shadow]

Basically Framework but for phones. But the project was killed like 10 years ago.

[devout vault]

Ah. RIPperoni

[ivory shadow]

Looks exactly what you'd expect a Framework phone to look like, right?

[hushed raven]

some people have continued it as hobbists but to my knowledge nothing big came out of it

[ivory shadow]

A base that you snap modules into

[cinder karma]

Just get a cheaper phone

[ivory shadow]

Companies are too busy obsessing over thinking people only care about phones being thin and light to ever make this, sadly

[cinder karma]

Tbh

I think i want a xiaomi next

Tbh

[hushed raven]

I recommend the note series if you're going with xiaomi

[rain apex]

Yeah I did do that

[hushed raven]

just perferably one with a qualcom chipset and not mediatek

[cinder karma]

I also dont care that much about spicy ravioli tbh

It might not be repairable for a layperson but it'll be repairable for me

[little furnace]

Shiftphone is experimenting with modular phones.

[rain apex]

Something i worry about these modular phone is if i drop it is it gonna fall into a dozen pieces

[cinder karma]

Just get a spare that charges the phone through the charge port

Or do what j do and carry a charger with me

[ivory shadow]

Just don't do that.

[hushed raven]

you'd defo want a qualcom version then, the mediatek ones are such a pain to repair, cosmetic repairs are fine but the actual functional parts are such a pain to get a hold of due to proprietary soddery of the highest degree

[cinder karma]

About the only time we challenge my phone battery is when I do a long long run or go hiking

Both are times where if my phone dies it dies lol

People dont get to contact me while I'm running sorry

[rain apex]

Goose has too much faith in my little hands

[ivory shadow]

On a related note, I have thought about printing off some of these business cards to give to people. It's tempting.

[red crest]

I have never dropped my phone. I don't get how people drop their phones so often /lh

[hushed raven]

some of us are just incredibly clumsy

[cinder karma]

Hypothermia

[hushed raven]

only one of the drops of my current phone has caused damage, and it was only cosmetic, funcionally unbothered to all the drops

[red crest]

If you are that often hypothermic I think you should worry less about the phone and more about other things

[cinder karma]

Anyways

Cal would say get off your phone lol

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=gGT0_dh8BNg&si=P-N6LYveutS7ouyl

[cinder karma]

I'm a long distance runner!

[devout vault]

Meanwhile, the huge growth on the back of each one:

(Like chu said - i don’t care as much about big fancy camera)

[devout vault]

Shoutout to that one time I dropped my mom’s phone.

Screen first.

Outside.

In the rain.

On the concrete driveway.

Where it slid a fair ways before stopping.

(The driveway is also…. Aged, let’s say?

(Older than I am, probably.)

[hushed raven]

Rip phone XD

[devout vault]

(Not posting because of lurking geoguessr doxxers /s )

[hushed raven]

I'm amazing at geoguessr and will find your home in a minute

(if It's somewhere I know)

[little furnace]

If you live next to me I will find you.

[hushed raven]

(spoiler: I do not know the US so it certainly won't be a minute)

[cinder karma]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-reveals-dlss-5-powered-by-neural-rendering-launches-this-fall

[devout vault]

Tdnp (too doxxable, not posting): That driveway has seen some things

Anyways drive time for real now byeeeeeee

[hushed raven]

Dive well!

I mean drive but do also dive well

[weak obsidian]

I saw this!

It has its amazing benefits

...and its horrible downsides

I'd prefer if they made it increase the quality of hair and some facial features

Not reinvent them

especially the lighting 😭

the new on top

the old on bottom

the new has a glow, which is really weird

like it applied a huge mask to it

[weak obsidian]

..that spec of dirt...
...thats australian dirt...
...that dirt looks like it's been through 9231 cycles of weathering, do you see the erosion on this tiny rock?
...also from the time of day, the angle at which the light is reflecting on the rock...
...after simulating 5104 possible weather scenarios based on every region in Australia (data gathered from scientific weather watchers) on my dual 5090 setup with 3 threadrippers, it's clear that its (x) region, and in (x) city...
...this is obviously dirt that would be on (x) street
...the address is (x)!

..thats kinda how that guy for geoguesser works, but its all in his brain

[cinder karma]

He fucking sees a picture of the sky and gets it within 3km

"That dust cloud looks like Africa"

[dusty pollen]

is it just me or is it an intentionally unflattering comparison? graphics have looked more like the "on" pic than the "off" pic for a while now...

to be honest there's something unsettling about the "on" pic

[cinder karma]

I haven't played any realistic video games

[hushed raven]

the on pic is very much unsettling in an almost uncanny valley way, I think we're at the point of graphical improvments where things just seem too close to realism

[rain apex]

Who needs graphics when we peaked with zelda wind waker

https://tenor.com/view/zelda-the-legend-of-zelda-the-king-of-red-lions-wind-waker-nintendo-gif-20053448

[hushed raven]

Exactly! expecially the water

[rain apex]

Beautiful water/10

[cinder karma]

Smth smth Minecraft old school Runescape

[dusty pollen]

imo this is why stylised indie games are doing better and better these days. style > realistic graphics

[weak obsidian]

There's an HD texture pack available (these graphics dont seem native to when the game launched?)

[hushed raven]

As well as the fact they run so much better on older hardware aswell, it's a win win solution

[weak obsidian]

DLSS 5 plz

[dusty pollen]

I'm currently playing obra dinn and they literally have different display modes named after various old terminal emulator colour schemes and it looks so good

[little furnace]

This is the original, you can tell by the GameCube controller layout.

[hushed raven]

I still need to play that at some point, All I've heard is fantastic reviews

[dusty pollen]

it's fun!

[weak obsidian]

I mean, it was usually with an older tv that couldn't display it like this

crt?

I played it on crt

As well as every other gamecube game

[little furnace]

Yeah, true. Though LCD was starting to gain traction back then. I think. Maybe I got my timelines mixed up.

[weak obsidian]

Crt with aninal crossing wss amazing tho

Tho..

Without crt

Game looked bad

It had a lot of lazy map issues, cut out areas

Tho I thjnk some mods fix it

[weak obsidian]

Ehh I mean it wss still possible

I think we had a huge 100-200 pound 60 inch CRT back in the day

[little furnace]

Ours was half that size. I remember how amazing Twilight Princess looked.

[weak obsidian]

Oo

I played smash bros a lot

And animal crossing

Only Zelda I played was on DS/3DS

[little furnace]

You need to play more.

[weak obsidian]

Pay me 500 dolla and I will

Im busy with stardew, then phasmophiba, then animal crossing city folk, then fields of mistria

Im on a tight gaming schedule

[little furnace]

I know that feeling.

I made Bubble sort in TIS-100.

[cinder karma]

Tbh I've seen more cathode ray tubes irl

Than crt tvs

[pliant snow]

you may have just been smaller, I think the largest CRT ever was like 40"

[worn remnant]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_PVM-4300

projection tvs in those days could probably fit lucy's description

[maiden mesa]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[prisma flume]

i'm out here losing my mind because windows has decided the win+1~0 hotkey should do nothing except flash a random taskbar icon and not restore chrome when i notice the brand new shining 💎 Unlock Premium button hastily glued to the Teams title bar

one of these days i may explode

[cinder karma]

When were cathode ray tubes a thing?

[hushed raven]

I remember them in 2010 but I'm not sure if we had one for an unreasonable amount of time

[cinder karma]

I'm wondering what my parents had for a TV now.....

[sand frost]

I think my parents still have their old CRT

[cinder karma]

(I became a not TV person at some point so.)

[sand frost]

At some point using a computer to watch stuff became better

[hushed raven]

A laptop is always what I use to watch stuff now, portable and big enough I don't have to strain my eyes

[cinder karma]

How does watching TV work

[little furnace]

I think RPTVs can be larger.

[cinder karma]

Rptv?

[little furnace]

When they use some kind of projector inside.

[cinder karma]

Trying to remember the TV mom and dad had when I was growing up tbh

Don't recall it much

[little furnace]

I think it had four corners.

https://youtu.be/zvj0GfHJBrM

That's how big projection TVs could get.

[hushed raven]

I have no reference of scale, can we get a calico cat next to it?

[devout vault]

I get enough realism in reality.

~~can’t believe I missed a WW conversation 😔 ~~

Also, re:the WW gif.

It could just be from a capture card or emulator, hence not having a CRT look

[devout vault]

Honestly it kinda looked to me like those monitor/tv promotional things where the image has so much more vibrancy and clarity… from refresh rate.

In a screenshot of the monitor/tv in question

Also, re:realistic vs stylized.

Theres also something to be said about letting the brain fill in gaps. Like the whole spooky factor lost from Mario 64 eel popping out of the hole underwater, vs the reimagining in Mario odyssey or whatever it was

(Though that’s probably also partially nostalgia / age difference)

There’s also the classic

[hushed raven]

Utterly Mind-Boggling

[steel kraken]

warcraft 3 and other RTSs from that era also handled things quite well

as they wanted minimum polygons to let them spam unit counts so leaned in heavy on ensuring everything had identifiable silloutes

[prisma flume]

and massive shoulders

[steel kraken]

massive shoulders more of a warhammer thing that blizzard loved being legally distinct to

[weak obsidian]

Ooo! Tho Wikipedia is partially not right

Omg..

Auto correct

Im so dead

Anyways

We had bigger

And it was some Japanese brand

For any moderators, please undertsand thst the blocked message was indeed mistyped, i swear by it

I forgot the name of our tv

But crt is amazing though

We even had them ob thr corners of the walls, and in my room was a really small one :3

[cyan shadow]

Skele...

[dusty pollen]

opus dlc day!

[little furnace]

As I said previously, it might have been a projection TV. They could get quite big.

[cinder karma]

Gifs when

[weak obsidian]

Likely

I was tiny so my memory is like

Not dependable

HAPPY SANT PATRICKS DAY!

[safe dragon]

damn

alas I'm sick in bed

and I haven't finished the main game

and am playing pokopia

[cinder karma]

That game ks all over my social media feed and I'm not sure why

[prisma flume]

because it's the second most popular smash hit game ever (observed) combined with the most profitable franchise of all time (objective)

[cinder karma]

My YouTube history is watching aquatic documentaries

[little furnace]

https://youtu.be/vQCJea92vF4

[long verge]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1450900/Desynced/

Steam

Desynced

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Desynced is an automation game without belts. Drones connected to your lo…

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[heavy dagger]

Title result: Save 40% on Desynced on Steam

[long verge]

Anyone tried it out already ?

[safe dragon]

despite what you'd think I've never really gotten into automation games

[dusty pollen]

non dlc opus magnum update!

[little furnace]

"Fixes a bunch of bugs that should have been fixed ages ago"
Let's see whether the bug is fixed when you delete an arm by dragging it to the tray but then first press the other mouse button and then remove the first and then drag it back to the main area, the arm disappears but the instructions don't get deleted.

[fleet wren]

wait what

holy hell

the modfest making me miss the announcement for an entire freaking DLC

[cinder karma]

Yall arent providing gifs

[fleet wren]

ooh the dlc is a collab between zach and a group of modders

can't wait to see the new glyphs or if it'd be easier to mod in others

[fleet wren]

i'll provide gifs when i speedrun the dlc in probably an evening

[dusty pollen]

I’ll provide gifs when more non-diehard fans play so the histograms stop making me feel bad

[safe dragon]

when the graph of all solutions is actually 99% people who've played the game for 500 hours

[safe dragon]

huh unions have made their way into the new .net 11 preview

and they're bizarre

[quiet terrace]

What ide's do you guys use for c#

[safe dragon]

visual studio

for work that is

when I do c# things outside of that I use Rider

[quiet terrace]

I dont like vs tbh

its too confusing

and not very intuitive for me

[devout vault]

How so?

Normal unions or discriminated?

[safe dragon]

discriminated

the new keyword is just union so I'll call em that

they made them weirdly complicated

and boxed by default

maybe the new .net stuff to automatically unbox when possible make that a non-issue idk

once it's a little closer to release I'll give em a whirl

[devout vault]

I don’t really know what a discriminated union vs not is.

Besides I assume not having some of the same shenanigans you can do with unions in c++

[safe dragon]

idk I don't know c++

[cinder karma]

It's union typescript not union rust tbh

[safe dragon]

yeah it seems more like a type union than a proper rust enum

[cinder karma]

You can do a union in c# (in the c++ way) but that's a footgun

[safe dragon]

since you can implement the IUnion interface manually you have control to do things in a faster way but idk

idk why they went this route

[cinder karma]

Huh

Although interface is very 📦 as is

[safe dragon]

can't wait for someone to make a source compiled version of these unions

I genuinely don't understand why they went this route

[cinder karma]

You can lay out a struct so two fields share the same memory location

But it's a footgun

[safe dragon]

I will hold out hope things improve closer to .NET 11 release

[devout vault]

Yeahhhhhh I’ve seen that in some spooky interop code

[prisma flume]

this is sort of endemic to IDEs though given the vast range of tasks, compatibilities, requirements, ..
granted VS is worse than most in that regard given it's fairly old and is expected to support most popular languages and workflows

you might get more out of rider given it's designed for c# specifically

[fleet wren]

very first DLC puzzle, nothing too mind blowing (optimized for cycles)

[safe dragon]

my optimizing tends to stop before putting multiple claws on a looping track

that is quite satisfying

[fleet wren]

(I also looked up the mod repo out of curiosity, and yeah this campaign was indeed a fan mod made canon )
(the writing got tuned up a bit too)

[cinder karma]

That game has writing m

[rain apex]

The orbs are orbing

[fleet wren]

not the most optimal but the most aesthetique™

[safe dragon]

aesthetics are important

[thin estuary]

science is elegant

[cinder karma]

Is asthesitics something u get graded on

[fleet wren]

no 😌

[hushed raven]

unless it's sent here, inwhich case I grade it a 10 reguardless of how it looks

[cinder karma]

Tbh this is all very pretty

There's smth very satisfying on all these gifs

[thin estuary]

you should watch this vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Ekun0WDIk

tl;dw: guy doesn't quite like doing any of the official leaderboard categories, he makes nice looking machines instead. accidentally discovers a fan "sum" category, and it turns out optimizing for it tends to make aesthetically pleasing solutions

[cinder karma]

Oh my god

Anyways

[quiet terrace]

I used intelliJ before for Java so im more used to the whol Jetbrains ui

[fleet wren]

yeah aggressive optimization for one of the 3 official metrics tend to pigeonhole your solutions into patterns like arms on rails; rating by summing multiple metrics is nicer by comparison (and usually what most tournaments use)

[cinder karma]

Did u make me watch advertising lol

[dusty pollen]

oh that's so much prettier than my solution

[fleet wren]

feel free to share regardless if you want

[little furnace]

I feel like that's the most interesting aspect of optimizing for cycles.

[safe dragon]

I don't like when it starts becoming finicky with having to set instructions for more than 1 cycle

[little furnace]

Yeah, I relate to that. But it's great when it works.

Don't know if I've shared this before.

[hushed raven]

I know I said I'd rate them all 10, but this one is a clear 11

[little furnace]

Yay.

[cinder karma]

That's wild

I have no idea what's going on

[little furnace]

The upper arms push the water towards each other, where it gets connected, one arm releases it, the other drags it down over the calcifier (makes everything passing over it to salt) and releases it when it reaches the exit. Actually pretty simple. It just looks complicated because of the multiple arms. I'll get a GIF.

[devout vault]

Is this stuttery for anyone else (especially near the looping point, I think?), or is my laptop dying a slow death

[safe dragon]

it's smooth for me

[hushed raven]

defo a very slow death

[little furnace]

It happened to me as well, but only during the first loop.

[devout vault]

Guess my framework is turning into a framewontwork

Poor framekitten 😔

FF had 5 GB used despite only having a few tabs open, and having restarted the PC 30 minutes.

Fresh restart of FF? Only slightly lower

[hushed raven]

I would say that seems about right but FF is only using 700mb with 889 tabs open for me

[little furnace]

Don't worry about it. Mozilla is working on improving the browser by *checks notes* doing another UI redesign. Yay.

[devout vault]

Close discord and restart -> half as much

Open discord and log back in here -> back to where it was

[cinder karma]

You can disable the AI now!

[lethal walrus]

but the designers!

they have to all do something all the time!

[cinder karma]

They can go make Rust smh

[little furnace]

They could work on Thunderbird.

[devout vault]

-# careful, the opposite end of the spectrum is "fired as soon as the project as done", like the game dev industry

[hushed raven]

https://tenor.com/view/notanotherone-anotherone-gif-19649321

[hushed raven]

ew

why are designers insistant of rounding corners so drastically? please I beg for no more pill shapes, I have to take enough of them already

[cinder karma]

I need to figure out Thunderbird again

[lethal walrus]

oh thats interesting firefox relay is working on phone number aliases

[cinder karma]

Proton has shit for filtration

Google is still the god of email filters unfortunately

[lethal walrus]

gmails filtering is surprisingly good

[safe dragon]

barring a good spam filter I don't really care

I prefer to receive as few emails as possible

[devout vault]

Tried clearing cache and restart too

I guess electron in browser is just as bad as desktop app

or however that works

[little furnace]

What is Electron in browser? That seems redundant.

[cinder karma]

Hmmm

This bodes ill for the neo

[devout vault]

I dunno, but opening discord makes my RAM usage go up by over 2.5 GB

[hushed raven]

I thought electron was just the wrapper for a basic browser in the form of a desktop programs

[devout vault]

I thought so too

Clearly discord is doing something weird though

[hushed raven]

it's discord, what did you expect?

thay are the company that thought the solution to a memory leak was to forcekill the program XD

[safe dragon]

electron is just chromium with a bunch of desktop native APIs yeah

not too different from CEF like steam uses

[little furnace]

However, it still uses React in the browser.

[prisma flume]

interesting, i thought Bethesda was that company i suppose they can both be worst place

[cinder karma]

I also did that for an advent of code :P

[little furnace]

Apparently Discord is worse in browser because it doesn't have good garbage control there.

Which doesn't excuse its bad design, it's just worse there.

[safe dragon]

browser memory usage is an enigma to me. It always seems to use so much more memory than the site's actual heap allocations

[hushed raven]

There are a lot of other measures before killing and it is temporary but it's still an utterly stupid idea imo https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/1pej7l7/restart_on_excessive_memory_usage_experiment/

What are bethesda doing? I haven't heard about that?

[hushed raven]

isn't it because it spawns a sub process for each tab?
and therefore has some overhead ontop of the actual site itself?

[safe dragon]

it's not just that

[dusty pollen]

duke would like you all to know that bedtime is a form of baby beagle abuse

[safe dragon]

part of it seems to be overhead from memory it needs for the layout and rendering steps

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7716 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1483610342188908685)

[cinder karma]

Just buy more ram if you can afford it

[safe dragon]

they also all seem to reserve a lot more memory than is actively needed. Like if you have a peak memory usage spike of 200 mb then it will just keep reserving that amount after the spike

[hushed raven]

I read that as bugle at first and I was very confused what a small brass horn had to do with it XD

[dusty pollen]

his protest was foiled by a fluffy blanket and some cuddles... for now

[safe dragon]

foiled yet again

[hushed raven]

Ahh ye that makes sense, certainly a tad odd not to release memory but I have no idea how hard it is to do

[safe dragon]

idk browsers are arcane technology akin to operating systems

[cinder karma]

Thye basically are operating sysgems

[safe dragon]

Just like emacs

[cinder karma]

One even made its own programming language

[safe dragon]

rust...

[dusty pollen]

I mean one browser made its own operating system (except not really)

[safe dragon]

tbh considering the absolute mess that is css and html and just sheer amount of things you can do with them I'm surprised browsers don't take more ram and cpu to render a page

[cinder karma]

Guyssss

[safe dragon]

kaios or which one do u mean

[cinder karma]

I cant find the kitties who live behind work :(

[safe dragon]

[dusty pollen]

chromeos

[safe dragon]

oh

[dusty pollen]

it’s just android rebadged

[devout vault]

??????

[safe dragon]

KaiOS is effectively that except Firefox instead

and Mozilla abandoned it ages ago so it's open-source now

oh, source-available not open-source

[dusty pollen]

aren’t mozilla projects always open source

[safe dragon]

the original was open source but I guess the new owners didn't like that

[devout vault]

Time to ask for a day off and go on a quest to find them

[lethal walrus]

does mpl not need source?

[hushed raven]

https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/1pej7l7/restart_on_excessive_memory_usage_experiment/

It's certainly a choice

[little furnace]

I finished the first part of TIS-100 and am confused.

[dusty pollen]

by the story?

it’s kind of just like that tbh

[cinder karma]

That game has a stpry?

[dusty pollen]

a tiny bit. very ignorable

entirely through text snippets unlocked every level (though that’s all zachtronics games)

[safe dragon]

and in all of them everyone just ignores them

[full mortar]

you know what would be a great shortcut in file explorer? new json file. I just make so many of them

[safe dragon]

why are you making a bunch of json files by hand

[little furnace]

I don't, it's what I'm most curious about.

[safe dragon]

damn...

[little furnace]

I have a shortcut for new file, and if I add the .json extension it becomes a JSON file.

[safe dragon]

revolutionary

I don't make json files manually very often

fairly frequently through code tho

[full mortar]

this is true

[little furnace]

Ctrl + N for me, but I modded that.

Ctrl + Q makes a new directory.

[devout vault]

you can add it

At least on windows

Registry for old context menu, but the newer menu ( 🤢 ) needs to be a UWP app or something I think

I usually just do create -> new text file, and then change the file extension

It's empty anyways

[fleet wren]

Firefox OS is Apache 2 apparently

or at least that's what the archived source on github says

[rain apex]

say i want to try some firefox fork

what do ppl enjoy

[lethal walrus]

zen!

[lethal walrus]

interesting

[devout vault]

In my experience, asking a question like this in here will get a couple passing answers, and then quickly derail into an entirely different discussion.

If you want a real answer, you need to nerdsnipe everyone into it

(exhibit A: me asking about linux distros when I got my framework)

(exhibit B: me asking about firefox forks. twice (one was in the mc thing))

[cinder karma]

I personally like stainless steel forks

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #7717 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1483622206012526673)

[rain apex]

tbh i need like 1-2 answers tops so this peanut gallery is best place to ask

[fleet wren]

the me ten years ago would probably have rocked a firefox fork, but the benefits nowadays (the telemetries/social features that can all be disabled or ignored) are marginal compared to the downsides (slower patches)

[rain apex]

i also wonder if i should just use chromium

[little furnace]

Honestly, there aren't that many Firefox forks that are really different. Most try to foolishly replicate an older UI before Mozilla in their eternal wisdom pushed for another redesign.

Basilisk:

[rain apex]

ouh i been attacked by 2007

[devout vault]

I mean I do wish we had old style extensions back. But usually the forks completely remove support for the new style too, for some reason

What do you mean I can't make my tabs bounce around the window like a dvd logo

[little furnace]

2017, I think.

[little furnace]

I think it's because maintaining both is hard.

[devout vault]

I feel like updating the old style to fit into upstream changes is much harder than not ripping out the new stuff

Like, these browsers usually aren't complete forks, right?

They're just side-branches that have their own stuff and pull stuff from upstream too

I get it'd be complex, but the reason presented is usually not complexity of maintenance (from what I recall last I looked)

[little furnace]

Most Firefox forks actually use a forked render engine and the upstream changes don't really affected the render engine, so maybe that's the reason.

Continuing the topic, Pale Moon seems to be good for customization.

And then there's Zen, which is actually the only fork that tries to be something new that isn't "Firefox before Mozilla bad".

And Tor, but I didn't count Tor.

[cinder karma]

What about Brave?

[devout vault]

That's not FF-based I thought?

I could've sworn it was chromium

[cinder karma]

I have no idea

[little furnace]

It's Chromium.

[steel kraken]

Zen and tor are FF based

Braves chromium

for the most part, pretty much all of the browser forks are chromium unless explicitly stated otherwise

[lethal walrus]

ive always found it interesting brave is chromium

since the ceo was the mozilla cofounder

[little furnace]

The thing is that Chromium is made to be forked by design. It's highly modular and it's easy to adjust it to make your own browser. Firefox is much more monolithic.

Also, Firefox uses a license that requires developers to publish all modifications, so closed-source proprietary forks are impossible.

[devout vault]

the age of opus magnum is once again upon us

and it is glorious

[cinder karma]

Looks pretty

Ngl I tbjnk I like looking at the gifs more thab I would actually play the game

[hushed raven]

honestly same, the gifs are so satisfying

[devout vault]

You get all the 😌 but none of the 😔

[cinder karma]

I mean I got home ate dinner slammed the dishes into the dishwasher and left to run

[hushed raven]

running from the dishes, what a mood

[fleet wren]

it's smoller!

[hushed raven]

I am fully imagining you basketball slam dunking dishes into the dishwasher though, it's a very humorous image

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #7721 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1483646890905178133)

[devout vault]

Nah, the plates should be done like frisbees

[prisma flume]

winget show sublime not giving sublime text as expected. what the winget

Found Sublime [9WZDNCRDNFK5]
Version: Unknown
Publisher: ERC IT
Publisher Url: https://www.ercit.com
Publisher Support Url: mailto:[e-mail]
Description:
Sublime is a software developed exclusively for wellness and beauty.
This is software that provides unmatched features, functions, and resources to help you grow your business.

finally. software developed exclusively for me

[cinder karma]

.q add "software developed exclusively for wellness and beauty" - bluebs

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7723 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1483664074226274415)

[lethal walrus]

i love spending my 3am reporting domains to bulletproof hosts

[prisma flume]

i love spending my workday installing discord on my new laptop

installing software developed exclusively for wellness and beauty

[devout vault]

how short are your workdays

[prisma flume]

with the dog in the office? about 15 minutes

[cinder karma]

Doggo?

Where doggo

[prisma flume]

i think he's doing the product review atm

[cinder karma]

Doggo?

Can I pet doggo

Tbh I spent the first 15min of this workday installing new firmware on my work laptop

[prisma flume]

windows updates don't even finish that fast

[cinder karma]

Picture of doggo?

[devout vault]

You say that like windows is the epitome of speed or something

[safe dragon]

God I wish

anything related to updates of any kind is so slow on windows

[cyan shadow]

My laptop updated itself without asking me a couple days ago and it took ALL. NIGHT.

[safe dragon]

being used to arch updating like 250 packages in a few seconds, including kernel updates and gpu firmware updates

and then you use winget on windows to update

and watch it take 5 minutes to update git

[cinder karma]

....picture of doggo?

[cinder karma]

Shockah is that game turing complete

https://youtu.be/RAUsCwu8ekQ?si=C8s4gHYMbJVaNOn5

[worn remnant]

i am doubt about that video title

but i suppose the author don't care, so maybe i shouldn't either

[dusty pollen]

oh they're maximising for cycles

[devout vault]

Maximizing??????

why

(She says, as if “why not” isn’t a reason she herself uses, including for something a few days ago before something popped up where I needed to be away for a bit)

[dusty pollen]

I guess aiming for arbitrarily many cycles but still a valid solution without arbitrarily many instructions is interesting

[cinder karma]

Shockah you'd poisoned my YouTube recommendations

[fleet wren]

apparently it is, aside from the infinite tape requirement

[dusty pollen]

I mean those are never respected

I once asked a CS tutor if it needs to be infinite or finite but arbitrarily large and he looked at me funny and told me there's no such thing as infinite, the universe will end eventually, sometimes infinite just means like 1000

[rain apex]

One zh way to say everything is 万物 which is like 10000 things

[sand frost]

Clearly not a mathematician

[dusty pollen]

exactly

[fleet wren]

also I wasn't lying btw I'm 2 puzzles away from finishing the DLC when I stopped last night

though actually that's only the main story, there's still the bonus puzzles

so technically I'm only 45% done

story-wise I like that the DLC's protagonist is a different unique flavor of "jackass insufferable genius" than the main story's protagonist
I know, playing Zachtronics games for the story is like going to KFC to have a burger (even if a delicious one)

[devout vault]

Next time I get a float == float.Infinity, I’ll be sure to file a bug with MS or Intel about it /s

[cinder karma]

What's a KFC

[weak obsidian]

Kentucky Fried Chicken

https://tenor.com/view/kfc-kentucky-fried-chicken-8pc-buckets-of-drums-and-thighs-8pc-bucket-gif-1021367529794278943

[cinder karma]

Do they sell burgers?

[hushed raven]

no idea, but I hear that they're finger licking good!

[cinder karma]

I need to make myself some burgers

With me it's always a fun question of what I make and what I buy

[marble jewel]

I make everything unless I am lazy, which is often the case

[cinder karma]

In this particular case:

Make:

1. Burger
2. Bun

Buy:

1. Flour
2. Onion
3. Tomato
4. Cheese

Unknown: pickles....I want lactic acid pickles, do I make them?

[fleet wren]

real burger chefs make their tomatoes and onions from scratch as well smh my head

[cinder karma]

I'm also not raising cows for this

But if I didnt live in TX I wojld legitimately try to grow tomatoes

[sand frost]

I am so picky about burgers I don’t even try

The platonic ideal of a hamburger is an in n out burger

(To me)

So if the bun doesn’t taste like theirs, or it doesn’t have the right sauce, or no onions, all those count against it

[cinder karma]

You may be wondering about the mayo or lack thereof. I dont like mayo. I'm not using mayo.

[sand frost]

I absolutely love the mayo/ketchup/pickles/whatever special sauce

I don’t love mayo by itself

[hushed raven]

mayo is such a weird condiment, especially when Americans use it as a butter alternative in sandwiches, it's completely different!

[marble jewel]

A thin layer of mayo is the key to the perfectly crunchy grilled cheese sandwich. Or perfectly toasted buns.

[supple ether]

Oooo I will have to try that

[marble jewel]

I don't miss much about living in TX, but the BBQ lives up to the hype, and Central Market was an awesome grocery store and there's nothing nearly as good where I live now

[weak obsidian]

I eat pebbles for nutritional benefits

(please do not take my advice, side effects could be: Possible passing, high blood pressure, removal from the universe)

I see a lot of medical ads always list the most serious side effects that scare me away haha

[hushed raven]

Lucy is a bird confirmed

[cinder karma]

We have an HEB!

Which is nice

I dont make enough money for Central Market

[marble jewel]

I mostly got my pantry staples from the regular grocery store, but Central Market was for good produce, meats, and cheeses.

[cinder karma]

HEB is the mother ship, Central is their more posh store

[marble jewel]

I think my regular store was Tom Thumb IIRC

[cinder karma]

I tend to go to

1. HEB
2. Chinese store
3. Costco
4. Aldi

I love linux

I spent thr last four days at work with a frozen panel because it crashed and there wasn't a good chance to log in and out

[thin estuary]

where can i find the "I love linux" store

[cinder karma]

But no, the command xfce4-panel -r exists

And could have fixed my error days ago

[hushed raven]

your first mistake was using xfce /j

[fleet wren]

isnt xfce still on X

[hushed raven]

Oh have you's seen https://wikigacha.com/?lang=EN% ? it's a gatcha card battler game like pokemon trading cards but based entire on wikipedia entries

omg discord either you work with <> or you don't

[cinder karma]

I do not have choice

[sand frost]

my list is similar but with 2 other local chains in place of heb and aldi, plus trader joes in the rotation

the local chains are ~weekly (alternating, with a bias towards the better one), the others are ~monthly

[little furnace]

Which Aldi do you have in the US? The one from southern Germany or the one from northern Germany?

[hushed raven]

I think Aldi south?

cause it's the same as the UK

[little furnace]

The one with the colorful logo? That isn't only blue and white?

[hushed raven]

This one

[little furnace]

That's the good one, and I'm totally not biased because I'm from the south.

By the way, it took me ten years to notice that this is supposed to be an A.

[hushed raven]

Oh apparently Trader Joes in Aldi Nord owned, so technically the US has both, my mistake

I am fully with you that Aldi south is better, Admittedly I have only ever been in 2 Aldi norths so it's not very scientific XD

[safe dragon]

the Netherlands only has Aldi Nord I think

[little furnace]

That's an interesting development.

[long verge]

What is it supposed to be then ?

[hushed raven]

It's like how ASDA is now a subsidiary of Walmart, which is so confusing at times

[long verge]

also ? they're 2 differents ALDI ?

[hushed raven]

because of East and West Germany I think?

[little furnace]

It's supposed to be an "A". The weird blue ribbon thingy on the orange logo.

[long verge]

Ohh misread, thought you said "isn't supposed to be an A" mb

[little furnace]

In the 50s there were two brothers who owned a few stores, apparently they disagreed over cigarette sales, the younger one went North, the other South.

[long verge]

interesting

1961 according to wikipedia

[little furnace]

That's 50s. Kinda. Not really.

[safe dragon]

the famous year of the 50s, 1961

[long verge]

1861 is the year they separated into 2 society

[little furnace]

Oh, Adidas and Puma were brothers as well who disagreed and split.

[long verge]

yes

[little furnace]

Kinda funny.

[hushed raven]

I wanna say theres another company that was the same, I'm thinking the Mars company but I can't find anything saying it is

[little furnace]

Twix likes to pretend that the left and the right is made by different competing brothers.

And that's Mars.

[hushed raven]

I think that's where I'm getting the idea of mars from for sure

[little furnace]

Twix also released a fictional story about the creation of Twix called "The Tale of Seamus and Earl." Two brothers, Seamus and Earl, worked together "to combine biscuit, caramel and chocolate into one beautiful bar," but while making the biscuit bar, the two feuded and disputed techniques, such as how to add the chocolate or caramel. At the grand unveiling of the Twix, the two brothers accidentally broke the Twix bar; that being the final straw, the two brothers split the company into two factories: one for left Twix and one for right Twix.

[safe dragon]

damn in this case one of em was a lot more successful than the other

[little furnace]

Kinda. Though I have a soft spot for Puma exactly because of that.

Rooting for the undercat.

[safe dragon]

Adidas practically runs several countries as far as shoes or sportswear goes

I'd assume they're the most popular sports brand out there

[little furnace]

I think Nike is still more popular. Don't they own Converse?

[safe dragon]

idk what converse are I'll be honest

Nike does seem to be bigger though apparently

[little furnace]

The shoes that have that white cap thingy.

[hushed raven]

you what?? Converse are the THE alt/skater shoe brand (would not recommend buying though, their quality has dropped drastically)

[safe dragon]

oh the ones with the star

don't see those very often

[hushed raven]

I had a pair of custom platforms and they were amazing, thankfully got them just before the quality drop

[little furnace]

I bought two pairs of custom ones last year and they are basically broken now.

Is there a good alternative for custom shoes?

Though I want to switch to barefoot shoes anyway.

[long verge]

Nike ftw 🗣️

[safe dragon]

I'm about as far removed from the skater aesthetic as you can be I apologize

[cinder karma]

Ugh

I need a report generator

I have....no version of latex installed

[hushed raven]

For custom ones, not that I know of, I only wear military surplus boots now so I would have no idea

[safe dragon]

typst...

[cinder karma]

I canr install shit!

[safe dragon]

typst web... (or overleaf)

[cinder karma]

I would like mg script to generate it

Without having to open a web browser

[little furnace]

I'm not a fan of Nike. I don't really know why. Too big.

[safe dragon]

sue your IT department

[hushed raven]

agreed

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7726 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1483953934170198198)

[cinder karma]

I like Brooks

[long verge]

Also popular in gyms because of the flat soles

[safe dragon]

I've got that IT team privilege I have admin rights to my pc

[hushed raven]

Flat soles are something people look for? I thought that was a negative of converse, hmm

[safe dragon]

flat soles are better for slipping and dying

[cinder karma]

While lifting yeah

Although some people (not flexible people) like a little heel

[safe dragon]

flat soles make a more satisfying squeaky noise in the gym hall

important

[cinder karma]

Do u even lift bro :P

[long verge]

When lifting yes, offer more stability

[safe dragon]

absolutely not

lifting scares me

I already have scoliosis. I'll do 1 bad form deadlift and split in half

[little furnace]

Converse are good for wheel gymnastics because the sole is really flexible.

[hushed raven]

Ahh I don't think I have ever lifted so that was not a thought that crossed my mind

[long verge]

Crum ble

[safe dragon]

imagine being the ble half

depressing

[cinder karma]

Installed typst locally

How do I do thie

[safe dragon]

nicest is to use something like vscode with the extension for it for the live preview

[devout vault]

Crum BLE

(Crumble with bluetooth support)

[hushed raven]

Low energy bluetooth aswell, fancy!

[cinder karma]

Tbh I have no clue what most of you guys look like

I am, of course, an orange cat with a drill and oscilloscope

[fleet wren]

late game puzzle I'm quite proud of

[hushed raven]

I'm an undulating mass of flesh often dressed in the colour black, with the occasional bit of jewellery to prettify the appearance

[cinder karma]

With converse

[hushed raven]

Oh not anymore, with military boots

[cinder karma]

Is this constrained area

[fleet wren]

yes

several puzzles require working with limited space

[cinder karma]

No room for a spinning hexagon I see

See I'm trying to see if any of the other arms can do double duty

The one on the far right seems very still

[safe dragon]

catastrophic for the cycles optimizers

[dusty pollen]

you know what would be a good way to examine these kinds of questions? get the game

[safe dragon]

area optimizers don't even notice the space was constrained

[dusty pollen]

area optimizers cry because there's no area stat on these levels

[safe dragon]

damn

scammed

[dusty pollen]

(it's replaced by instruction count)

[fleet wren]

yeah that arm's only purpose is ti speed things up by a couple instructions per cycle

[cinder karma]

Is it on sale

[fleet wren]

it's so the tiny shaking arm doesnt have to fetch a new input itself

[dusty pollen]

I think the dlc is right now? not sure about base game

[cinder karma]

Am I allowed back in my steam account

[hushed raven]

it is on sale rn

50% off

I only know because I got a notification and I am very tempted to buy it XD

[weak obsidian]

on steam you can refund it

if u dont like any game : )

as long as its under 2 hours if I'm not mistaken

[hushed raven]

2 hours and not after 2 weeks, unless there are other circumstances but that's at the discretion of steam themselves at that point

[weak obsidian]

good to know

[cinder karma]

Are you optimizing for cycle length?

[weak obsidian]

who--me?

i dont even know what that means sadly

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-porpoise-i'm-stupid-dumb-idiot-moment-porpoise-gif-4033995796839847017

[devout vault]

I'll get back to you on that

(of course, if you find something you're interested in)

[fleet wren]

my optimization strat for complex late game puzzles is "best effort cycle for the first working solution I put together"

I'm not a hardcode alchemist

[devout vault]

are you a data-driven alchem-

darn, you edited it

[fleet wren]

I put the typo back

[devout vault]

I love having to change some core assumptions about this ~250 line function that I wrote 6 months ago and did not comment

[safe dragon]

are you going to comment it this time

[devout vault]

I don't have to refactor the entire function, so no

[cinder karma]

For stardew that's a small function

[devout vault]

I'm just banishing float.NaN, which for some reason I thought at one point was a good idea to use for "does not exist" rather than float? or something

[devout vault]

Not for a mod

[hushed raven]

Mmm Na'an is lovely

I really want an indian takeaway now

[devout vault]

I will properly document it (perhaps) when I get around to rewriting it to not be so absurdly slow

I wasn't even touching this class / area of things initially. But I need to fix a discrepancy related to some other stuff I was working on

[cinder karma]

What's the Y?

[devout vault]

(Atlas recently ran into the NaN bug)

(or what was left of it - it was half fixed already)

[fleet wren]

it consumes a quicksilver atom at the bottom to create a clone of the metal atom placed in the top right at the top left

[hushed raven]

I wouldn't really call it a bug, just something not implimented fully yet

[devout vault]

It sorta is, at least for where you encountered it

[fleet wren]

(the glyph on the bottom right of the Y transforms a metal into a lower form, giving you one quicksilver as a byproduct)

[cinder karma]

Top left sorts them?

[fleet wren]

the top left slots are the output

[devout vault]

Okay, technically there are four documentation comments that are actually vaguely helpful.

Don't these looks like good uses of multi-dimensional arrays of primitives, instead of structs or named tuples?

bool[,] valid = // [direction][floor_to_ceiling=0, floor_to_adjacent_floor=1, ceiling_to_adjacent_ceiling=2, adjacent_floor_to_adjacent_ceiling=3]
{
// ...
};

float[,] edges = // [direction][floor_to_ceiling=0, floor_to_adjacent_floor=1, ceiling_to_adjacent_ceiling=2, adjacent_floor_to_adjacent_ceiling=3, custom=4]
{
// ...
};

float[,,] yForWalls = // [direction][floor_to_ceiling=0, floor_to_adjacent_floor=1, ceiling_to_adjacent_ceiling=2, adjacent_floor_to_adjacent_ceiling=3, custom=4][leftWallBase=0, rightWallBase=0, leftWallTarget=2, rightWallTarget=3]
{
// ...
};

float[,,] heightsForWalls = new float[yForWalls.GetLength(0), yForWalls.GetLength(1), 2]; // [direction][floor_to_ceiling=0, floor_to_adjacent_floor=1, ceiling_to_adjacent_ceiling=2, adjacent_floor_to_adjacent_ceiling=3, custom=4][left=0, right=1]

atra why would you :tada: at something so horrific

Thank yoba for regex find+replace

[cinder karma]

So you're slowly degrading a metal, I see

[devout vault]

(yes that will probably cause regressions, but I'm hoping they will be ones I can ignore until later)

[hushed raven]

Anything nested and you may be royally screwed XD

[devout vault]

There were none in that selection, no 😛

It was populating valid from the snippet above

Oh right, the other .net being weird thing I'm confused about

[dusty pollen]

and then you found out that the special float values are incredibly cursed?

[devout vault]

Added a parameter to this return-type-that-should-really-be-a-struct. What the heck is this error coming from?

    public static (Vector3 Position, Vector3 QuadFacingNormal, Vector3 QuadVert00, Vector3 QuadVert10, Vector3 QuadVert01, Vector3 QuadVert11, float HeightBoundingSize, bool ShouldHide) GetPositionForTile(xTile.Map map, Point tile, bool? forCeiling_ = null)

[cinder karma]

That's awesome

[devout vault]

I mean, I knew it already, I think my thought process back then was "well, if a tile shouldn't have data, then that would be "not a number", wouldn't it????"

And then months-later-casey started using that function in ways not intended back then

I once tracked down a nan in some camera code at work (when I worked at the job doing unreal engine stuff). I know how annoying the propagation is

[red crest]

are you sure you wanna use a nullable type, i thought you didnt like those /lh

[dusty pollen]

why does it think it's a single element tuple...

[hushed raven]

The only NaN propagation I'm familiar with is the All Consuming Void™ of shader stuff XD

[cinder karma]

Yeah, I'm missing smth

[devout vault]

I don't hate nullable value types, I use them a lot.

I hate the nullable reference type config being on 😛

[devout vault]

THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING

[cinder karma]

It thinks you want a single element tuple

[devout vault]

Yeah it's not just shaders. Any NaN usage will do that once they appear (unless you check for it and replace it)

[hushed raven]

I think most NaN issues I have come across have lead directly to a program crash which I think I prefer to crashless propagation XD

[cinder karma]

That's Nan for you

[devout vault]

(also for what it's worth, I'm somewhat coming around to the idea... not at the point of enabling it for my mods yet, though 😛 )

[red crest]

alpha patch notes vc: the nullable annotations will continue until morale improves

[cinder karma]

Net framework 4.0

[devout vault]

I mean, my main problem with it is that it treats code without the marker that didn't have it enabled as being okay by default

[cinder karma]

I've never touched net framework 4.0 and I'm glad I dont have to

[devout vault]

If it was "assume stuff that wasn't marked as supporting it is untrustworthy"? I'd be more up for it

(at least for new code - not so much migrating all my existing code)

huh, removing the float and the coresponding value in new() is fine

Does Tuple max out at 7 parameters for the constructor

[cinder karma]

Yeah it's awkward for on topic because on topic

Ohhhh

Yeahhhh

Hang on

[devout vault]

Yeah I see that now, kinda

What the heck is "T1, T2, ... T7, TRest" supposed to indicate???

why even allow that then

[cinder karma]

C# doesn't have variadics

[devout vault]

I skipped those because I didn't want to type them

It's public struct ValueTuple<T1, T2, T3, T4, T5, T6, T7, TRest>

I'm specifically talking about "what the heck is TRest rather than T8???????"

[cinder karma]

ValueTuple.Create Method (System) | Microsoft Learn https://share.google/YclhRbDRV1j4Nt3h3

[devout vault]

And TRest is the only parameter with an extra constraint (TRest : struct)

[cinder karma]

Yeah, no variadics

Tbh if you have a tuple of 8 elements you should consider a record struct

Ngl

[devout vault]

That's not the issue. I'm wondering why they did this TRest nonsense rather than T8

[cinder karma]

They have to cut you off somehwere

[devout vault]

Yeah this tuple originally had like 3 members

[cinder karma]

They decided on 7

[devout vault]

And it gradually grew

[devout vault]

C++ can go much further with templates

At this point, why can't they source generate ones that are long enough as necessary? /s

(I get why)

[cinder karma]

I believe if you search here you can find me saying that about every time I use a tuple I eventually make a record struct lol

I literally just did that at work the other week

[hushed raven]

~~ I have been under the impression it was thruple and only allowed 3 members this entire time ~~

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7727 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1483989654708682762)

[cinder karma]

If you want you could use the static method

That gets you 8

[dusty pollen]

in fairness to NaN propagation, if you multiply a non number by a number you do indeed get a non number

[cinder karma]

but 8 member tuple are too long

I dont blame them for cutting you off

Iro, I literally had a three member i turned into a NamedTuple

[dusty pollen]

I'm with you there

that's why I'm laughing

hell I even make 2 member record structs

[cinder karma]

I do so many named tuple in python

[devout vault]

As I said, it started out with like 3

[hushed raven]

Anything above 3 = struct, albeit entirely due to my own misunderstanding, wrong equation, right answer XD

[devout vault]

Then I gradually add one or two as needed

[cinder karma]

Oh my god

[devout vault]

It might have even started out with two to be honest

[cinder karma]

Atlas

What does your dating life look like

A tuple?

[hushed raven]

none existant quite frankly

[devout vault]

Already, let's see if anything crashes and burns from the NaN banishment.

Or the change I was in the middle of that led to this

[cinder karma]

goes back to studying this

[devout vault]

well that was quick

[cinder karma]

NaN prop's friend is X prop

[devout vault]

"Why is the now-struct suddenly empty all the time????"
The constructor of the struct in question:

        public PositionResult(Vector3 pos, Vector3 quadNormal, Vector3 quadTL, Vector3 quadTR, Vector3 quadBL, Vector3 quadBR, float heightBounding, bool shouldHide = false)
        {
        }

Ah yes, the walls have disappeared, and there is now a collection of giant black voids* clustered around one part of the world

* unfortunately, not the meowing kind

anyways this is getting more on topic than just "why is C# like this" so I'll stop

[cinder karma]

Tbh I actually like

Knew about the variadics thing/limited length of valuetuples thing

And was always like "I'm never gonna see that irl"

I wonder if c# will get variadics for generics some day

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7728 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1483953611766759454)

New quote added by atravita as #7729 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1483907973775622245)

[devout vault]

important knowledge stolen from a post on reddit that I must share

(the comments say the documentary is called Into Great Silence)

[hushed raven]

How many words does it take for a documentary to not be considered a documentary anymore?

But the more important observation, thats absolutely adorable and the perfect use for the limits words they use

[cinder karma]

Iro I know it's the middle of the night but

Do you have pictures of duke?

My YouTube shorts feed is now entirely that chemistry game lol

[hushed raven]

the Algorithm™ knows you too well

[cinder karma]

Are you getting thr game?

[hushed raven]

I'm very tempted, part of me wants to wait until tomorrow when the spring sale starts, but another part of me thinks it may not be on sale for anything cheaper than 50%

[devout vault]

I refuse to, because I know I'll get too sucked into it.

[weak obsidian]

A null pointer exception

[cinder karma]

I was aboit to ask when the steam summer sale was lol

[hushed raven]

I've just been going of SteamDB predictions, hopefully it is the spring sale tomorrow, it's a bit later than usual I think?

[weak obsidian]

Hmm maybe

Itd not even spring yet

2 days away

[cinder karma]

It's not spring?

It's green outside and I hear the spring music

Time for planting!

[weak obsidian]

We have snow still

[cinder karma]

ahhahah

[dusty pollen]

the extra quicksilver/lead is annoying me otherwise this would have been such a pretty solution 😭

this doesn't really show it but they build up in the hex arm on the right

[safe dragon]

damn it's not a true perfect loop

[dusty pollen]

nor can it go on forever

[cinder karma]

Cheater!

(I did buy the game but wont get around to playing it likely for ages )

[uncut seal]

I'm installing Arch, I can't play it until I'm done setting up the DE and Steam...

[cinder karma]

Dad's visiting this weekend

Then I'm not sure when my next weekend is

Damn someone could probably write a thesis on electrical usage patterns

And daylight savings

Usage is up but the sun isn't out out yet :(

4.5%

Was perfect temp last night so light or little hvac I suspect

[fleet wren]

how do you get rid of the extra lead

wait I just saw your answer below lol

hmm maybe one extra arm at the top? it would be swinging air in the gif though

[dusty pollen]

I don’t care about the gif as much as having a nicer solution haha. but I don’t think an extra arm would help the inherent imbalance here

[fleet wren]

the arm helps deposit the extra lead once they reach the top

as mentioned it'd be swinging air until that point

[dusty pollen]

deposit where?

if it’s to replace the current lead you would end up having an extra quicksilver

[cinder karma]

You can sneak the quicksilver over to thr quicksilver exit