programmers-off-topic

[hushed raven]

(closest emote I have to "boi")

[cyan shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/knocking-poking-tap-sleepy-head-cat-gif-13229074

[dusty pollen]

he was a skater boi she said see you later boi

[cyan shadow]

Me rn

[safe dragon]

poor man

[cyan shadow]

Atlas your emote collection impresses me

And I'm green with envy over it

[cyan shadow]

Poor me for being put in the corner

[safe dragon]

of course

I live a simple life with a whole bed for myself

[hushed raven]

I have SO MANY

[cyan shadow]

[long verge]

Can't push others when sleeping these days .. somehow
What a world we are living in

[cyan shadow]

If we sleep in our own homes we don't have to deal with this obviously

[hushed raven]

I don't think I could ever sleep in the same bed with another, I take up an entire king size bed, it's very comfy

[cyan shadow]

Although tbh its also because I'm awake and he's not

If we're both asleep I think I climb on him and balance is restored to the world

Rn my stomach is bothering me so I'm wide awake

[safe dragon]

I found it quite amusing hearing a colleague of mine talk about her and her long time partner have their own beds because it's just too annoying to sleep in the same one and she likes having it to herself

[hushed raven]

That would be me

but like whole seperate rooms because I like my decor

and many people do not

[cyan shadow]

My parents floated the idea but they don't sleep well if they aren't in the same bed

[lethal walrus]

are you in more or less than 198 servers

[long verge]

My parents does that

[safe dragon]

"I don't want the love of my life ruin the decor of my bedroom"

[cyan shadow]

This causes problems because they both snore like foghorns and have different mattress needs, but they manage

[safe dragon]

lmao

[long verge]

I won't look nice on my r/malelivingspace post !!

[hushed raven]

less, but of the servers I'm in more than half have no more emote space in XD

[long verge]

No Maru's i didn't ask

[lethal walrus]

much more efficient than me

[hushed raven]

I have a very particular style, and bones apparently aren't pleasing to most

[long verge]

Bones you say ?

[hushed raven]

Bones plenty of them! some skulls too

[long verge]

U jeffrey dammer or sum ?

[hushed raven]

not mine though, that would be weird

[safe dragon]

like Blu-ray copies of the beloved TV series Bones

[hushed raven]

no no, like calcium rich ones

[cinder karma]

People when their stardew spouse changes the wallpaper

[cyan shadow]

Oh you'd love the skull wall my med student cousin sent me a picture of

[hushed raven]

or maybe not calcium rich, depends if bleach reacts with calcium

[hushed raven]

OOO YES

[cyan shadow]

I'll DM you in the morning if I find it

[long verge]

tells me more about it

[hushed raven]

I visited a museam with a spine wall and it was the best thing I have ever graced my eyes upon

[cyan shadow]

It was from the bone room at his uni

[long verge]

So i can fill the report form

[cyan shadow]

Taken the day he nicked a couple arm bones from there to study for a college presentation

[hushed raven]

I think I have the bones of 20 different creatures in here with me, and that's not counting the living (or dying) room

[hushed raven]

just casually nicking some bones XD

as you do

[long verge]

But why

[cyan shadow]

He put them back to be fair to him

[long verge]

Genuine question, if someone gets amputed, can he keeps the bones or sum ?

[hushed raven]

The reason is the same as why people have paintings in their room, they look nice, that's pretty much about it, plus I spent some time cleaning them

[hushed raven]

Yes! sorta, depends on the hospital, it may have to be given to a mortuary then the mortuary gives it to you

at least in the UK

[long verge]

Coool, not that i want to get amputed tho

[cyan shadow]

Kinda
If the patient doesn't consent to them being used for scientific research or doesn't specifically ask to keep them, they're incinerated with the rest of the biomedical waste

[long verge]

excuse me what ?

I mean there's some mother that eat the placenta so ..?

[cyan shadow]

Okay I'm gonna attempt sleep

Night night

[hushed raven]

Night!

[cyan shadow]

Me in the morning, I suspect

[lethal walrus]

i love this sticker

[long verge]

Maybe the Templars were right, free will is not THAT good

[long verge]

Damn it's already 2am

[long verge]

I should go too

[cyan shadow]

Night night!

[long verge]

gn yall

[hushed raven]

I think you'll find that it's my only used

[hushed raven]

Night both!

[safe dragon]

I don't have such fancy nitros

good night

I'm still on nitro classic. I'm surprised they haven't forced me off it yet

[hushed raven]

Thats not the cheaper nitro is it? it's the old nitro?

[safe dragon]

the old one yeah

somewhere between basic and fancy nitro in features

[hushed raven]

I've found basic is really all I'd want, ideally I'd want it cheaper just for the external emojis and nothing else but it's better than the full price atleast

[safe dragon]

price is closer to basic than fancy

[long verge]

I used to have classic until my payement method failed for some reason and they revoked it

now i use basic which is fine

[safe dragon]

idk if I'll continue or let it end in September

with all the things going on

[long verge]

me too, yet 30€/year is "fine"

[safe dragon]

mine is 50 a year

[lethal walrus]

i might go to basic next time it renews tbh

the places i boost i get the boosting perks without boosting anyway

[long verge]

I don't remember, what does classic does more than basic ?

[hushed raven]

I mean 30£ (I have no euro) is 2.50 a month, which is about 0.57 a week, which is about 0.08 a day, which is about 0.004 roughly per emoji use for me so it's a fine price

[lethal walrus]

couldn't tell you the last time i streamed and i have my own file storage so i really dont need fancy nitro hmm

[hushed raven]

streaming is a rare thing I do, I have to many things open at once to accidentally show XD

[long verge]

Aren't you willing to pay 70€ more for an animated profile picture ?

How surprising

[lethal walrus]

i dont think ive ever had an animated one

the profile effects are nice i think but eh

i dont even use those either actually

[long verge]

I just buy them with orbs

[lethal walrus]

oh i do have an animated banner in here

[lethal walrus]

that too, although i dont know if i have any orbs

but i guess the quests are easy enough to do

oh you can cheat quests anyway

[hushed raven]

my candles were entirely out of quests

[safe dragon]

I think of profile effects the same way I do about profile customization on Steam... why would I care even slightly about what it looks like

[long verge]

It's weird but i would genuinely do it too

[lethal walrus]

i have my steam profile customised but its also private 😭

[safe dragon]

I respect that

customized it just for yourself

[hushed raven]

I have my steam profile customised because I like making everything grayscale and steam is an annoying blue tone which I dislike XD

[safe dragon]

I do actually have a steam profile wallpaper

[steel kraken]

at least steam profile customization isn't extra payments

[lethal walrus]

very true

[long verge]

2nd time wrong reply

fuck u discord

[cinder karma]

Is steam profile like myspace

[rain apex]

yea

[hushed raven]

I wish, I wanna CSSize my steam profile

[lethal walrus]

just fine a fun exploit like on github

that was so nice to see, wish they kept it

[safe dragon]

oh I said naughty blocked words... this screenshot contains blocked words

[steel kraken]

I do have a friend that has their steam profile avatar as a genuine http 404

[hushed raven]

I did that on my website because I thought it was funny at the time

I mean it's still funny, but mildly unoriginal

[steel kraken]

its easy to have a 404 on your own site, its a lot more impressive to convince steam to do it

[long verge]

I'm going to bed, good night fellas

[hushed raven]

don't you just have to use a png with some weird HTTP stuff in the header?

[safe dragon]

gonna send steam a redirect response

to troll em

[hardy jewel]

@long verge not the most, uh, appropriate topic for the server I'm afraid

(@rain apex same as above, a bit too much of a rule 6 story I fear)

[rain apex]

i have deleted the link

[devout vault]

wow y'all talked a lot during one of the two times a week I'm not really on much (not counting sleeping)

not backreading this

[steel kraken]

probably for the best

[cinder karma]

We decided the steam page was MySpace

Gotta find the best lyrics

Put on some eyeliner

[sand frost]

I can do part 2

Not sure im good at finding the best lyrics

[stoic gazelle]

also text to speech yelled at some of us

[cinder karma]

I didn't know iro had that power

[stoic gazelle]

I didn't know the feature existed

[hushed raven]

I didn't know you can't turn it off

[thin estuary]

update #2

cutoffs aren't implemented yet, so these properties do nothing

[rain apex]

What does vtable setup mean in C#

I get that it's some kinda library loading error where the type is bad

[safe dragon]

it means you've gone too deep

[rain apex]

Oh no

[cinder karma]

I mean it's setting up the vtable

[cinder karma]

Context plz

[rain apex]

This is [redacted] talk indeed and rn my guess is that the interface i implement for PC is different on phones

So it die when it tries to load my class

Actually it is my record, dunno if that makes a difference

[cinder karma]

Shouldn't

Records are sugar

What's in the record?

[rain apex]

I don't know how to answer this besides linking my sauce lol

[devout vault]

Have you considered: android is fucky silly

[cinder karma]

It shouldn't matter because they are fully sugar

[devout vault]

Definitely the land of “it shouldn’t, but it is”

[cinder karma]

Sugar as in they should be fully not there in the IL

[safe dragon]

technically async await is also syntactic sugar then

for now

in .net 11 no longer

cause it moves to the IL

[cinder karma]

Microsoft has spoken?????

[safe dragon]

github sometimes does this to me

for no reason

reloading again makes it work again usually

[cinder karma]

Been saying this to me for days

Ugh

[devout vault]

Welp, looks like it's time for a new pair of headphones

(My dad was doing stuff with the breaker this morning before I got up, and while my computer is fine, it seems my headphones are not. Tested on another computer too.)

[hushed raven]

do you not have surge protectors?

[devout vault]

I thought the PC was hooked up to one, but not sure

Either way, I would've assumed the power supply would've bnneen the thing to die if it was that. OR that's how it has worked for me in the past

Maybe audio jack headphones are just more sensitive than USB ones

Now windows has my monitor being the default audio device... which doesn't have speakers, so not sure why it shows there to begin with

[hushed raven]

I would've though the opposite

given that current causes the magnitisation rather than voltage

[devout vault]

Well I imagine a motherboard company is more likely to put protections on USB than audio jacks

Oh

I don't actually know how they work

So the only option I have right now is "use my VR headset to remote desktop, and turn the volume up loud enough that they act as speakers"

[hushed raven]

you're on windows right? if you have an android phone there is a way to use your phone as wireless speakers and wireless mic

[devout vault]

I don't know what these "bright bass-light neutral/warm" type stuff even means

[devout vault]

ios

[hushed raven]

Ahh in that case I have absolutely no idea, Apple products are a mystery to me and I wish to never have to touch them XD

[devout vault]

It can do that for macs

And use them as cameras and mics

Which is confusing, because it wants to do that no matter how many times I said I don't want it

[hushed raven]

✨ Apple Ecosystem ✨

[devout vault]

Mozart is now blocking the bottom of discord, how levely

[hushed raven]

-# levely

Hi Mozart!

[devout vault]

amazon are you drunk

(case + replacement cable, apparently)

Unfortunately it would take a week to get here

(the headphones specifically)

[hushed raven]

if I use amazon, prime is always used

[devout vault]

Yeah that wasn't prime

Which is a shame because they were nice and cheap

[hushed raven]

entirely because amazon is the "Oh no I need this like rn and nowehere close sells it" shop

[devout vault]

amazon how is this similar to the headphones? (same for the TOH king figure)

[hushed raven]

I cannot think of a single way it's even closely related XD

[devout vault]

Welp, new headphones arriving tomorrow supposedly

How am I supposed to watch stuff on youtube endlessly until then? 😔

[lucid sundial]

Just purchased the Razer BlackShark V3 Pro!

Hopefully it goes well

Got a stand for it too, so I dont let it just, sit

I got a 90 day window, so I'm looking forward to it : D

[devout vault]

...I just realized I watched a video

With my headphones

????

[safe dragon]

that's a very confusing revelation

[hushed raven]

so the headphones work?

[devout vault]

Apparently????

[safe dragon]

well gratz

you have backup headphones

[heavy dagger]

@devout vault: try again (1mo ago)

[devout vault]

Even going back through the chain I don't remember what it is

I could probably find it by cross referencing my messages in other channels at the time, but eh

[hushed raven]

it's the 2 month anniversary of originally asking uber to remind you, wow

[cinder karma]

Remind Casey to PR lookup anything in 248573 days

[heavy dagger]

Invalid time

[cinder karma]

Oh my god you weren't supposed to ACTUALLY RESPOND Maru's bot

Smh

[devout vault]

Uber lives for chaos

[hushed raven]

I wonder how messed up the regex can be for uber to match it

[devout vault]

Probably not even regex

Well, given the atra scenario, maybe?

But like all it takes is to not start with "remind" and not ^

(or is it $? I always get the two mixed up)

[hushed raven]

^ for start of string pretty sure

$ is repeat? maybe?

oh wait $ is placeholder for like replacement

[devout vault]

Well, that too

But in the match part, it's for end of line

[hushed raven]

Oh wow the regex is much longer than I thought, theres 5 separate parts for the remind command

https://github.com/moiph/ub3r-b0t/blob/master/src/Consts.cs#L14

[lethal walrus]

The source is also quite outdated iirc

[hushed raven]

true, but it's the only source I could find that wasn't an uber eats discord bot

[cinder karma]

Uber eats discord bot

[hushed raven]

oh it's actually still getting somewhat often commits

[cinder karma]

What

[hushed raven]

ye I don't understand it either ngl XD

[cinder karma]

I'm still rate limited from github lol

[hushed raven]

what did you do to get rate limited for this long? XD

[dusty pollen]

uber takes an arbitrary "nickname" at the start which means any start string is ignored. it's on purpose

it's actually documented and everything

[devout vault]

Shouldn't there be a space or punctuation or something

I explicitly said donotremind me that time, smh

[dusty pollen]

apparently not

hey botface remind @devout vault at 00:01 +0 on 2026/03/08 to hi

[heavy dagger]

sure thing, bud (#7097130) (25s | <t:1772928061>)

[heavy dagger]

@devout vault: hi (25s ago) [Requested by irocendar]

[hushed raven]

Huh, that's pretty cool

[dusty pollen]

and not at all abusable when combined with repeat reminders

and I have never set a reminder for someone every five minutes

[hushed raven]

that's the kind of mischeviousness I enjoy XD

[dusty pollen]

there's a reason I know the syntax of the timer removal commands

[hardy jewel]

[devout vault]

wonder if you could mix them with other ones to make them a a non-regular interval

[cinder karma]

Zoe, please tell iro the tts command was NOT funny /j

[devout vault]

the real reason iro wanted to become a junimo

[hardy jewel]

we can set a recurring reminder to let iro know every 5 minutes that it was not funny 🙂‍↕️

[pliant snow]

[open garden]

saw a discussion on making mods general about ds store files being an annoying thing when sharing mod zips, and after looking into it a bit, I found this article linked from stack overflow: https://appletoolbox.com/mac-os-x-how-to-remove-ds_store-files/

If anyone knows, I'm wondering if/how this prevents the ds store files from immediately being regenerated upon deletion so you can ommit them in a zip.

[devout vault]

I doubt it keeps them deleted

[pliant snow]

This article isn't

It's hiding from again from Mac users who accidentally enabled hidden files, or running a periodic job to delete them (which seems like a bad idea)

[devout vault]

Windows used to have a similar file called Thumbs.db, not sure what it uses now

[cinder karma]

Does the default package script in smapi exclude .DS_Store

[devout vault]

Good question, though it wouldn't help content pack authors

[cinder karma]

Should be trivial to write a python script to zip and package

[devout vault]

and is dangerously on topic

[cinder karma]

Anyways

[hushed raven]

and linux loves the .Trash-1000 file too

[cinder karma]

Quick!

Cat pictures!

[devout vault]

uhhhhhhhhhh

[pliant snow]

The .Trash-1000 is your trash folder, there will be one per drive if you delete something that was on it

[cinder karma]

.nfs875848 I 77 files my beloathed

[safe dragon]

my first encounter with .DS_Store was ironically on an SD card I was using to put roms on my DS so imagine my confusion

[cinder karma]

Is that literally a emoji

Of onyx

Oh my god

[hushed raven]

3 of them are of onyx XD

[cinder karma]

Oh my god

[hushed raven]

I often end up with some deeper in the drives file system too for some reason

[devout vault]

You may have just broken atra's brain.

And made them want nitro

[open garden]

Is there any reliable way to just delete it from all the folders in a zip file if you are a mac user?

[pliant snow]

Either have a script that does it for you, or manually remember to do it

[hushed raven]

I think you can probably do something with github actions if you're so inclined and know how to do the actions stuff

[safe dragon]

I mean tbh at the time I fully accepted it. It's more the confusion I felt when I started encountering it outside of that

[pliant snow]

Yeah, I think most people know to just ignore them

[devout vault]

.xkcd 2501

[heavy dagger]

xkcd #2501: Average Familiarity

Published 11 Aug 2021 | How could anyone consider themselves a well-rounded adult without a basic understanding of silicate geochemistry? Silicates are everywhere! It's hard to throw a rock without throwing one!

[hushed raven]

does the mac file browser let you delete files from an archive like windows' file explorer and ark on linux?

[pliant snow]

I don't think it generates them immediately, you can delete them from the folder before zipping, but since they're hidden by default most people don't know to

[open garden]

oh, i was just about to ask you that 😅

I found a script online to do it system wide

[pliant snow]

I would argue in this situation that helps my case. Most people don't even look at what the files are when installing a mod

[devout vault]

Oh I thought you meant if they found them generally

[open garden]

find . -name ".DS_Store"

[devout vault]

Not specifically during mod installation

[pliant snow]

even still, I don't imagine most people could tell you if a file is out of place or not, I've seen some people's desktops

[open garden]

is there a way to do this just for a folder and its subfolders though? I don't know anything about terminal commands really

[safe dragon]

don't think that works cause they're hidden files...

[pliant snow]

shouldn't it?

[open garden]

really? It was the answer on stack overflow. ;-;

[pliant snow]

also, that command should just be for the current folder, that's what the . signifies

[safe dragon]

oh huh damn find doesn't care about hidden files

I'm used to special flags to include them

[pliant snow]

fd always throws me off because it ignores hidden files and looks at .gitignore and all sorts of shit I don't really want it to do

but it's still easier than remembering the find flags

[open garden]

how do you make sure you're on the current folder you want to be though? Is it as simple as being the last thing you tapped, or is there set up outside of the initial command? Because when I used the find . -name ".DS_Store" before the -delete it did a system wide search.

I have not deleted anything yet, by the way

[pliant snow]

Are you running it from a command line, or pasting it into a script that you're running?

[safe dragon]

surely it searches from the directory from which the command is run

[open garden]

I'm opening terminal and then pasting what I showed in

[dusty pollen]

in the find command, replace . with whatever path you want it to run in

[pliant snow]

Right, so you would first need to change what the current folder the terminal is looking at, then run it

[dusty pollen]

so e.g. find ~/Documents/whatever -name ".DS_Store"

[pliant snow]

That's another option

[open garden]

Oh ok, so after that would I put in -delete

Like, would it go in the same command, or after? I'm assuming the same command?

[safe dragon]

none of u have pointed out the real problem. find wasn't written in Rust.

Use ripgrep. rg --files | rg ".DS_Store"

[pliant snow]

what

since when does rip grep search file names

[open garden]

Uh, is this directed towards me?

[pliant snow]

Yes, it would be in the same command. I would run it without -delete first and be very sure it's only deleting what you expect

[open garden]

Ok, thanks. I'm going to try it with the patch to see if it shows me

So, I ran it in finder, but only saw quote> after I put in this commandfind ~/Users/<myusername>/Documents/Parcy's Krobus Portraits/ -name ".DS_Store" and yes, I actually did move the folder to Documents to make it an easier filepath... Am I missing something?

I don't understand why I'd just see quote>... I'm also not entirely sure what it means Does it want another command from me? Sorry if this is annoying, I'm just not sure if it's working correctly.

Should I be putting <-> between "Parcy's Krobus Portraits" spaces?

[pliant snow]

I think since there's spaces, you'll either need to \ the spaces, or put the whole file path in quotes

[open garden]

Ok, so this is interesting, but putting a dot right here, before the first / in this commandfind ~./Users/<myusername>/Documents/Parcy's Krobus Portraits/ -name ".DS_Store" did show me thisfind ~./Users/<myusername>/Documents/Parcys: No such file or directory find: Krobus: No such file or directory find: Portraits/: No such file or directory so it must be right that the spaces are causing problems. I don't know why the dot gave more useful info though.

I'll try the \ in the spaces

[pliant snow]

It's treating them as three different folders because of the spaces

[open garden]

Hmm, both adding "" around the whole filepath (without the dot in front of </>) and \ instead of the spaces seem to be returning quote> so I guess I'll try renaming the folder to exclude spaces.

well, both find ~/Users/<myusername>/Documents/Parcy'sKrobusPortraits/ -name ".DS_Store" and find ~./Users/<myusername>/Documents/Parcy'sKrobusPortraits/ -name ".DS_Store" are just returing quote>, so idk if I can solve this. Weird.

Thanks for the help though, guys. If anyone wants to continue looking into it more with me, it would be appreciated, but I also understand if not

[cinder karma]

You need to add a backslash

Before the '

[open garden]

oh, I’ll try that!

huh, it says No such file or directory, so maybe I'll just get rid of < ' > too to simplify it more

[pliant snow]

It's also probably not ~/Users

I think for a Mac it might be just /Users/username/etc

[open garden]

Oh, yeah it may be...

yeah, that might be the issue

hmm, that didn't work either. I'll try drag and dropping the folder and then typing in the rest of the command

Oh!

hold on

I think a command I just tried got somewhere!

Because it just told me access was denied!

or, well, permission was denied

so this might be the right command. I'll post it

This is what I tried/Users/<myusername>/Documents/ParcysKrobusPortraits -name ".DS_Store"

I probably need to mess with the permissions I've given terminal now to see if it's actually going to do what I want after I access it

but I think this is a step in the right direction...

I left out the slash at the end because that's what the file path did when I dragged it into terminal. I'll try it with the <find> again so see if that was also causing problems

Oh?! the find was not an issue (Ik saying that sounds silly, forgive me) and it's actually showing me all the ds stores in the folder 🥹

Idk what was going on with the permissions being denied in the other command now, but this might be what needs to be done!!

If it actually does what I need by the end of this, I'll be able to share this with boxosoup and any other mac users too!

Hey, after running the command I wouldn't be seeing anything like successfully deleted would I? Because nothing is shown in the terminal after using it except my <username><computername> ~ %

That's normal right?

Oh! Sorry for the dumb question, because it worked!

Thank you so much for the patience you guys have had with a complete computer noob here!

Is there somewhere on the wiki or something where the knowledge of how to get rid of this extra bloat from mac users can be shared?

I know there might not be a good place for it there, I just wish this info had been as simple for me to find without bugging you guys about it.

Thanks again though, I really appreciate it! ❤️

[pliant snow]

hopefully it doesn't get re-generated quickly...

[open garden]

I checked the mod preview after I uploaded the new zip to nexus, and saw none of those files after that, so I assume it worked.

I could see them in the mod preview before

[open garden]

don’t worry, I am too 😅 /lh

they don’t get added back right away, so you remove them from the folder and then quickly make it a zip

I tested it by looking at the file preview of my own mod after updating

[open garden]

It should be noted that I do not know how long it takes for them refresh though.

[open garden]

(they used to show up in the file preview before I updated)

[open garden]

sorry

I accidentally deleted my response to the video you briefly shared before I could send it

@tacit night thanks for showing how the files do indeed disappear though.

How did you make them visible like that by the way? I was under the assumption they couldn’t be shown even with the tricks usually used to view other hidden files.

To be fair, I only tried one "view hidden files" trick though

[regal ingot]

Just exclude them from the zip in the first place.

zip -r "$zipname" "$cpname" --exclude \*/.DS_Store

from the directory that contains the folder you want to zip, replacing $zipname with the file name you want to create and $cpname with the folder name that you want to zip up.

[uncut seal]

I got myself into a Opus Magnum Youtube rabbit-hole: https://youtu.be/Dx7xZUe24o8

[uncut seal]

every video I click on is better than the one before! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbrAAqboEos

[safe dragon]

this is beautiful

[safe dragon]

ah shit without realizing I'm on opus magnum youtube now too

I should finish opus magnum

I never even finished the campaign

[cinder karma]

Traitor

[safe dragon]

I'm sorry

[crystal wren]

[little furnace]

I'm also sorry, I got distracted as well.

[dusty pollen]

just in time for the dlc in nine days

[safe dragon]

already?

[dusty pollen]

wdym already, the games from 2017 it's nearly as old as stardew

[safe dragon]

ok but have you considered that I didn't play it till earlier this year

[cinder karma]

2017....

That's last year right

[safe dragon]

pretty much

I was in university in 2017 which I'm pretty sure was last year

[open garden]

Thanks, it’s cool that there’s another way. So, if I was zipping up my portraits, I would write zip -r "$ParcysKrobusPortraits" "$ParcysPortraits" --exclude \*/.DS_Store to turn the ParcysPortraits folder into a ParcysKrobusPortraits zip right? Sorry if I misunderstanding something.

[regal ingot]

not unless $ is part of the name of your folder.

If your folder is named MyFolder then you want something like

zip -r "MyFolder.zip" "MyFolder" --exclude \*/.DS_Store

from inside the folder that contains MyFolder.

[open garden]

I don't want to waste your time, especially since I've already found one method to get rid of the .DS_Store files, but I just don't think I understand where this is specified in the command you showed:
from inside the folder that contains MyFolder.

[pliant snow]

A terminal works the same way like file explorer works. You're looking at one specific folder at a time. This command would only work if your terminal is currently positioned at the folder just above MyFolder, as if you could see it and double click it

[open garden]

Ah, so if the last window I had tapped was documents which contains my folder. Thanks

[pliant snow]

Note that it doesn't actually ask your file explorer which window you were last looking at, it always opens in a default place (probably your Desktop or something) and then there are commands to type to switch it to any folder you choose

[sand frost]

you would open Terminal, then see something like this

i am now inside Documents

and i started at ~ aka home aka your user

[open garden]

Oh, thanks for showing an example. I'm not sure this method is easier than the other command I was using before, so I might just stick with the other one

[regal ingot]

up to you, of course, but for your consideration:
If you make the zip file via the terminal command it's impossible to forget to remove the .DS_Store files before creating the zip (because that's all part of the same step). Maybe you are better at always remembering all of the steps of your release process than I am.

[open garden]

I can understand that way of thinking, but I believe the first method will be easy for me to remember because it will become a part of my zip making process, just as the second to last step. I like it because I can have just one command stored for each mod I plan to make a zip of, and all of those filepath commands can be stored in a separate doc in just one row each. Thanks for sharing this method anyway though.

[steel kraken]

Tbh I would just put the needed terminal commands in a shell script and just run it whenever needing to package your mod

[regal ingot]

You can have a single-line terminal command that also includes changing to the right directory (which is what my build script does), but if you're satisfied with the method you have then there's no need to go changing it.

If it weren't bedtime I'd see how difficult it is to make an Automator app (or applescript app, or whatever is Apple's preferred tool these days) for this.

[steel kraken]

A shell script should default to the current working directory when executed from a file viewer

[open garden]

Well, sleep well!

[regal ingot]

second answer here shows an Automator app which looks to me like it should work as long as you only drop a single folder on it at a time. https://superuser.com/questions/198569/compressing-folders-on-a-mac-without-the-ds-store

[open garden]

Oh, that looks very neat. I think I will have to look into it a bit more later, because it sounds like it could be a very useful general tool. I will of course likely misunderstand something and mess things up, which is why I'll need to do it later, but thank you for recommending this.

You seriously didn't need to go above and beyond in trying to find the most efficient way to do what I was asking about when I was already satisfied with an answer, so thanks again for looking into it anyway, whether or not I end up figuring it out. 😅

[dusty pollen]

I forgot I did this and just rediscovered it. infinite area machine

[cinder karma]

Lazers!

[upbeat turtle]

Looks like a cell building fats from triglicerides.

[devout vault]

I bring you all a gift that you have likely seen before
https://github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition

[worn remnant]

without looking ahead i'm gonna guess there's a FizzBuzzValueResolverFactory in there

[devout vault]

There is not.

But there are 8 other factories!

Oh sorry, that's the interfaces

There are 15 implementations

[worn remnant]

com.seriouscompany.business.java.fizzbuzz.packagenamingpackage
ok this is how you know they're good

[hushed raven]

the popular FizzBuzz game
It's a game??

[devout vault]

No, I just hate it for the love of the game.

[cinder karma]

I have been temporarily using a different text editor

Have not yet found the vim bindings

(Boss says they do exist but I haven't found the toggle yet)

So random :wq everywhere

[worn remnant]

i've been using kakoune, which is very nice and makes certain things so cool and good and a big improvement over vim, but some things are firmcoded and/or just not as good as vim out of the box and i haven't really fixed or replaced those yet

in general i prefer its execution model to vim's

[safe dragon]

I've been using helix which is the same execution model as kakoune

[cinder karma]

Executing model?

[worn remnant]

kakoune is modal like vim but its commands are structured "backwards"

[safe dragon]

movement first, then action

[worn remnant]

so instead of typing dw (delete, word) you type-- what crumble said

w (select word) -> d (delete)

this combined with multiple selections lets you do really powerful stuff (which vim can also do), but critically you can see what's going to happen before/as you do it which is so, so nice

% (select whole buffer) s (search mode) (type text to find) enter (select all matches) c (change) (type replacement) esc done

basically the same as vim's but you watch it go in real time and that makes me feel like a wizard

[safe dragon]

as long as you're not like me and then forget you have multiple cursors and then edit something off screen

[cinder karma]

I'm not a real vim superuser tbh

Deleting words is aboit as much as I do

And duplicate line, or the sed

[upbeat turtle]

Bad RAM address: 0xabad1dea

[pliant snow]

Good RAM address: 0x600d1dea

[devout vault]

Edible RAM address: 0xdeadbeef

[marble jewel]

Re: kakoune... I just found this, I wonder how well it works https://codeberg.org/mirge/kak.nvim

I know Helix is kind of fully baked, but I still default to nvim ... most of the time

[safe dragon]

imma guess the devs aren't Dutch

(it's like calling your plugin shit.nvim)

[marble jewel]

I mean... a plugin named shit.nvim might grab my attention

[worn remnant]

the kakoune executable itself is also called kak

at least over here on my computer

[safe dragon]

[rain apex]

Let's make Shell Interactive Text Editor

The ShIT Editor

[marble jewel]

Back in my days, if something was the shit it was the best at what it does

[safe dragon]

d-did that change

[marble jewel]

Maybe so, maybe not. I've lost track of lingo in the last 10-20 years.

[supple ether]

or just ShITE

[fleet wren]

the 2020s version if this is "cook" vs "cooked"

[cinder karma]

Kill me now

[prisma flume]

in australia we also have 'cooker' for a nutter

a dero nutter in particular

[cyan shadow]

The shit still works tbh

[open garden]

Oh, blueberry's Australian?

[hushed raven]

is cooked the negative version of cook??? that makes so much sense now

[safe dragon]

I'm cooked = I'm fucked
I cooked = I did something I'm proud of

[cinder karma]

I'm proud of you for cooking?

You know, given how much my generation door dashes smh

[safe dragon]

I ain't made of money

[cinder karma]

Have you seen the gas prices :P

[hushed raven]

in that case " I have never cooked at cooking, I'm cooked if JustEat shuts down" is a perfectly valid sentence and I hate it

[cinder karma]

What's justeats

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7658 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1481069713873436754)

[hushed raven]

the UK version of Uber eats, Door dash, and deliveroo, it's called many different names in other countries but its the orange one of the food delivery apps

it's confusing because they also have different apps for every country XD

[safe dragon]

no I can't drive

[cinder karma]

The new genz/alpha thing is -maxxing

[hushed raven]

I also recently learned about -maxxing suffix and the -mogging suffix, I'm genz but wow I feel so old XD

[cinder karma]

Don't worry we can all dunk on gen alpha

[dusty pollen]

there are four years of gen alpha old enough to be in this server

2010-2013 birthdays

[hushed raven]

("Wait aren't 7 year olds too young for discord?...oh. oh no")

[cinder karma]

If you were born during the years of Obama....

:P

[prisma flume]

i can't even comprehend paying for food delivery. what a world

[hushed raven]

I thought I was born in the Obama admin but nope, I was a few years off, bush admin apparently

[cinder karma]

I only have gotten food delivery a few times and that was because I was in COVID quarantine

Lol

[red crest]

we've been doing this for pizzas for like half a century

[safe dragon]

I'm bothered by this being 13:01 plz fix

[hushed raven]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[safe dragon]

[hushed raven]

arguably it's a your timezone issue and totally not because it's set about 2026 years in the past

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7660 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1481082578265047063)

[cinder karma]

Button, I dont understand

[prisma flume]

i don't remember ever having food delivered from a restaurant that didn't just make it free if you bought more than 1 thing

[cinder karma]

For pizza you must start three days (at least) beforehand with a well fed sourdough starter

[prisma flume]

these money-sucking megacorporate food delivery tapeworms have ruined it

[cinder karma]

Tbh, I have considered putting in a windmill

To grind wheat

If you've ever considered me sane you may reconsider

[little furnace]

If it's well-fed, can you even call it a starter? You have started already, it's an active-grower then.

[hushed raven]

If your name is anything to go by, I can safely say it was a rarity that I would even consider it XD

[dusty pollen]

we have both uber eats and deliveroo though and I'm pretty sure deliveroo is british?

[worn remnant]

it would certainly be hard pressed to sound more british

[hushed raven]

TIL I thought Just eat was the british one, turns out it's danish, how fun!

deliveroo is apparently owned by doordash, not sure whether by buyout or always started under doordash

[dusty pollen]

I believe it was a startup

[prisma flume]

isn't the logo a kangaroo. you know, that very much not british animal

[worn remnant]

i dunno lol

[full mortar]

anyone else find doubly escaped quotes cursed?

just

\\"

makes me feel gross looking at it

[dusty pollen]

double escaped is still normal cursed level. it's when you get into \\\\\\\\" territories that I start being truly afraid

[full mortar]

oh to make Discord display double escaped I need to do triple escaped

\\\\\"

which is cursed too

[dusty pollen]

you can also do an inline codeblock

[full mortar]

and to display that you need so many ecapes

[cinder karma]

You get into it any time you do metaprogramming tbh

[dusty pollen]

that's why I did mine in one

[rain apex]

i respect that we need some conventional escaping char

i dont respect that windows path sep is also the most common escaping char

[cinder karma]

Windows is thr onr who is wrong tbh

[full mortar]

I love hating on Microsoft

they do stupid stuff all the time

[dusty pollen]

this is why every language needs a way to use raw strings 😌

[full mortar]

that's on example

[devout vault]

Quick, who can find the longest escape combo in code they wrote!

[dusty pollen]

my current microsoft hate is the github "too many requests" nonsense

[cinder karma]

I'm not at work

[hushed raven]

you expect me to parse my old code? pffft

not happening

[dusty pollen]

not me, once I get into that many escapes I realise I'm in text parsing territories and run away immediately

[cinder karma]

I think my favorite are some really dumb verilog macros

[full mortar]

I've only ever had to do doubly escaped quotes in actual serious projects (Minecraft data packs)

[devout vault]

Just search for \\\\\\\\ in your repo and go up/down accordingly based on results

[full mortar]

you need that to do nbt strings

[devout vault]

Some of my old Content Engine stuff has 6 \

[hushed raven]

I have repos spread across 4 orgs and two services, that sounds like my idea of search engine hell XD

[devout vault]

In the VSCode integration (and the attempt at VS)

[dusty pollen]

I do have a friend whose dangerously on topic stuff has some wild escapes though

[devout vault]

I mean I didn't search all my code - just my mod monorepo

[cinder karma]

I'm choosing to take wild escapes literally

Their on topic escaped a sandbox

And the rabbits

[dusty pollen]

hold on why do they have repeated forward slashes. what 😭

[cinder karma]

Joy!

There goes the power

[devout vault]

one of the node modules in my repo had some

[dusty pollen]

oh no that's slash delimited stuff, nvm

[devout vault]

(and some greater \ ones, but I didn't count node modules)

[dusty pollen]

most I can find at a quick glance in their repo is three or four, but there has definitely been more

[cinder karma]

I think the worst of mine was escaping verilog references

In tcl

Written by a python scrjpt

[red crest]

The longest escape I have in my repos is apparently \\\\

From my json tutorials, where I was trying to show how to use escape characters in a sentence

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[little furnace]

I once wrapped a PowerShell command in a CMD command in a PowerShell command in a CMD command.

[pliant snow]

and how long was your prison sentence for?

[little furnace]

Six long, painful years.

pwsh -Command "{ Add-Type -AssemblyName System.Device; $GeoWatcher = New-Object System.Device.Location.GeoCoordinateWatcher; $GeoWatcher.Start(); while (($GeoWatcher.Status -ne ^"Ready^") -and ($GeoWatcher.Permission -ne ^"Denied^") -and ([DateTime]::Now -lt [DateTime]::Now.AddSeconds(10))) { Start-Sleep -Milliseconds 100 }; if ($GeoWatcher.Permission -eq 'Ready') { $lat = $GeoWatcher.Position.Location.Latitude; $lng = $GeoWatcher.Position.Location.Longitude; $GeoWatcher.Dispose(); $response = Invoke-RestMethod ^"https://api.sunrise-sunset.org/json?lat=$lat&lng=$lng&formatted=0^"; $sunrise = [datetime]$response.results.sunrise.ToLocalTime(); $sunset = [datetime]$response.results.sunset.ToLocalTime().ToString("HH:mm"); if ( -not [System.Diagnostics.EventLog]::SourceExists(^"SuncycleScheduler^") ) { New-EventLog -LogName Application -Source ^"SuncycleScheduler^" } New-ScheduledTask -Trigger ( New-ScheduledTaskTrigger -At $sunrise ) -Action ( New-ScheduledTaskAction -Execute ^"pwsh -Command \^"& { Write-EventLog -LogName Application -Source ^\^"SuncycleScheduler^\^" -EventID 1 -EntryType Information -Message ^\^"Sunrise triggered^\^" }\^"^" ) New-ScheduledTask -Trigger ( New-ScheduledTaskTrigger -At $sunset ) -Action ( New-ScheduledTaskAction -Execute ^"pwsh -Command \^"& { Write-EventLog -LogName Application -Source ^"SuncycleScheduler^" -EventID 2 -EntryType Information -Message ^\^"Sunset triggered^\^" }\^"^" ) }}"

[dusty pollen]

6 years was not enough

oh god there’s a rest api in there

[little furnace]

I wanted to schedule a task, and I dislike using scripts for that because that's an additional dependency I dislike.

[dusty pollen]

so you scheduled it according to sunrise/sunset instead?

[pliant snow]

cron: look what they have to do to achieve a fraction of our power

[runic kraken]

I was watching this person make a language and he typoed HashMap[str, str] as Array[str, str] in his language, and it was so illogical that the first thing I could think of as to what he was doing was a dependent type where the string "5" proves Nat 5, and that was somehow LESS cursed than the reality

I hallucinated a dependent type system because the alternative was so fucking stupid.

[dusty pollen]

I have never been so terrified of you serenity

[cinder karma]

It just keeps getting worse!

Sunset?????????

[little furnace]

cron is similar though. You still need a script that gets triggered unless you put everything in a single line, which is what I attempted here.

[cinder karma]

You just trigger a script!!!!!!

I've done stupid python oneliners

[runic kraken]

I saw Array[str, str], realized that didnt match any of the patterns I know, realized it did match dependent types (Π-types) and hallucinated a mathematical proof where Array["foo", "5"] was proving the length of the array using a string and converting it to a Nat. I did all of this because I am built for pattern recongition, and the alternative was incredibly stupid

[dusty pollen]

you will easily convince me that I could be compelled to write something like this but you will never convince me that that’s because it’s the right answer /lh

[little furnace]

It wasn't the right answer. I admit that.

[runic kraken]

When I write python I abuse lambda expressions and typing

[dusty pollen]

that being said, no you can’t see any of the scripts I’ve written for my machine 😌 I am a hypocrite to the end

[little furnace]

I implemented that one year ago, but forgot to then add the task that's supposed to be triggered at sunrise and sunset. I even had an alternative program doing that. I should have deleted the schedule a long time ago.

[runic kraken]

Id rather write map(lambda x: ..., xs) than ```py
for x in xs:
...

[dusty pollen]

python doesn’t actually evaluate or enforce type hints in any way, if that’s what you mean by typing. though I also always prefer functional apis/syntaxes

[runic kraken]

I know i use it for my own sanity

Although I use Pyright, which should enforce it

[dusty pollen]

numpy has some fun fluent interfaces

as long as nobody uses vectorise

[runic kraken]

wdym?

[dusty pollen]

numpy is a python package for processing large matrices efficiently. it uses fluent interfaces, which are those methods you can chain, e.g. something.method1().method2() etc

vectorise is numpy syntactic sugar for a for loop and therefore doesn’t benefit from the efficiency advantages

it’s numpy’s equivalent of .map()

writing an algorithm that other students used .vectorise for without it cut my execution time by like 5x

it’s also much more strictly typed than python usually is

[cinder karma]

I think the fact that you went for a rest api when the system clock exists is making this more funny tbh

Every time I read it I find smth worse

[dusty pollen]

the more I look at it the more I like it tbh. this is what at home programming is. crime and a macgyver attitude

[cinder karma]

What happens if your wifi disappears

Is this a laptop or a desktop

What about cron?

[dusty pollen]

have you considered ethernet, atra

[red crest]

ethernet can also disappear

[cinder karma]

In my entire life I've only used ethernet for two things

[dusty pollen]

I have used it for nothing

[cinder karma]

1. Talking to NI equipment
2. Downloading the Ubuntu iso super duper fast

I used to have juicessh on my phone to mosh

[steel kraken]

but ethernet is so good

[cinder karma]

SinZ I play zero video game

We used to use mosh not ssh to deal with wifi being flaky

[steel kraken]

its so convenient being able to trivially copy files at gigabit speeds between my devices with 0ms latency

[cinder karma]

My devices rn are a kindle, a phone, and a laptop that checks email and places stock trades

[red crest]

why is your phone not hooked up to ethernet

[dusty pollen]

it WOULD be so good. If I didn’t have to drill through cement blocks to run it

[cinder karma]

And my work computer that does not get to touch anything at home

No connections! None!

[cinder karma]

Brit

[dusty pollen]

my dad broke two drills on these blocks just trying to hang photos

not drill bits. drills

[prisma flume]

i've lived 5 years in a rental with an ethernet cable running across 3 rooms to my pc and i will live 5 more

[red crest]

i have 3 PCs in this one office and each one has its own ethernet port on a different wall

[cinder karma]

And I lived five years snaking ethernet cables up the stairwell to get the router near our bedrooms

[cyan shadow]

We ran the cables in housings glued to the wall for this exact reason

They ran through a hallway into my room, cable go brr

[red crest]

you should have just gone directly up through the ceiling/top floor. like in the center of the room.

[prisma flume]

only the finest telnet wall ports in this modern establishment i call 'house'

[red crest]

you'd save a lot of cable

[cyan shadow]

Including a segment that was outside the housing and was instead taped flat so the door could still pass over it

[cinder karma]

Rental

[red crest]

just return the cable when you're done then 😌

[dusty pollen]

there legit isn’t enough space around my door to run a cable through

[red crest]

do you live in a damn airlock

[cyan shadow]

Damn, it's that flush, huh

We just had enough room for a flat cable to get through if we pufferflattened it even further

[dusty pollen]

a flat cable flattened further may work under the door ig

[cinder karma]

Rental house

[pliant snow]

It's hard to run cable in a submarine

[cinder karma]

Tbh I might take the extremist route later

If I ever have kids

[red crest]

the extremist route... buying?

[cinder karma]

No wifi

[sand frost]

Needs more hammer drill? Maybe a wired one

[cinder karma]

No data plan. Desktop (maybe two) in office

[red crest]

maybe one hooked up via ethernet...

[cinder karma]

Those two get ethernet

[cyan shadow]

My parents ended up doing mesh routers after I moved out, I still kinda feel like it would've been cheaper to continue snaking wires around

[dusty pollen]

he probably was buying the cheapest ones ngl

[sand frost]

Wired drills are actually cheap af sometimes because demand is low, iirc

Also because none of them fancy batteries

[runic kraken]

My 'at home programming' is implementing System F based on a paper I am reading

[little furnace]

But I wanted to get the time of sunset and sunrise at my current location. And it's a laptop, so if WiFi disappears it won't create the new scheduled tasks.

The goal was to automatically switch between light theme and dark theme.

[runic kraken]

Just use the built in system clock API, and query only for those two things, then cache it if needed

[dusty pollen]

most system clock apis don’t include sunrise and sunset I believe

[runic kraken]

Then query the web for those two things, and use the system clock for the actual syncing

Or its just UTC, you could calculate the offset probably e.g at 17:00, enable dark mode

[cinder karma]

Do you have ReStore

ReStore will occasionally give out free drills because they dont have the matching batteries

[little furnace]

That's what I'm doing, I think. At one point I kinda lost track of what I was doing.

[runic kraken]

Just implement NOAA/Jean Meeus

Solar Position Algorithm

Or use a library that has it, rather than reaching to an entire web server for it

[cinder karma]

Does it work if your computer foes to sleep

[little furnace]

No idea.

[little furnace]

Can I do that in a shell one-liner?

[dusty pollen]

that's how you know it's a good home script. once you finish writing it it becomes arcane magick

like whatever toggles my VPN on and off

[runic kraken]

No but thats not indicative of your code quality

Write a .sh or .ps1 script and just run it

[little furnace]

But that is a dependency I don't like. What if I accidentally delete it?

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7661 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1481291440846934086)

[runic kraken]

You're going to accidentally delete a single script, yet somehow manage to keep a one line abomination in your head?

[dusty pollen]

shell one liners can be so much fun tbh

[runic kraken]

There is a limit of readability

[dusty pollen]

I'm still scared of you serenity but I decided I accept this 😌

[little furnace]

It's a cron job. Or whatever the tool on Windows is. I only need to write it once, don't I?

[runic kraken]

Place it in a file, I recommend the root of C:\ and then just add the path there

[dusty pollen]

have I ever mentioned I do half my work in /tmp btw

[runic kraken]

what the actual fuck

[little furnace]

That's what I'm trying to prevent.

[safe dragon]

the ideal location for data persistence

I actually only use the temp directory for temporary files

[dusty pollen]

/tmp is the correct default download/random stuff location and you will never convince me otherwise 😌

[dusty pollen]

ew

nowadays I spend more time in /tmp than ~

[worn remnant]

i have a separate scratch directory and a crontab entry to clean up old stuff in it, just so i don't have to deal with all the stuff that the rest of my computer puts in /tmp

[cinder karma]

I symlink downloads to tmp

[pliant snow]

Why dont you just set your browser to download to /tmp

[safe dragon]

symlinks are cooler

[devout vault]

Yall talking about snaking Ethernet cables across the house, but growing up I had to suffer with the worst WiFi because my room was the farthest/most-obstaclex one, and my dad didn’t want to do cables up the stairs.

To further emphasize how anti-cables he was: we were not allowed to use wired game controllers in the living room (98% of the time)

(I know yall moved on from that already, but I felt the need to share)

[pliant snow]

I had the opposite problem. We we got wifi installed, my dad wanted the router located in the central room in the house -- my bedroom. Which sounds fine, until suddenly a router, modem, printer/scanner and all sorts of junk had to live on my desk

[devout vault]

Having your personal space/privacy intruded upon every time someone needs to print/scan sounds great! /s

[hushed raven]

It was the same in the last house I lived in, because my room used to be the office and it was the biggest room, basically everything tech lived in there

[sonic mirage]

More people need to know about powerline ethernet adapters

[marble jewel]

Powerline didn't work well for me, but MoCA was amazing in my old non-wired apartment

[pliant snow]

Yeah I have a powerline set, but unless you have many walls in the way, I've always had much better luck with wifi

[sand frost]

Never heard of this but it sounds cool!!

[sonic mirage]

Yeah hopefully one of them at least works out. Always depends on how it was all wired up

[cinder karma]

ReStore is love

It's the thrift store run by Habitat for Humanity

You can get super cheap tools and appliances and stuff like that

[hushed raven]

In old UK homes (farm houses, old cottages) the walls are too thick for WiFi and ethernet power line adapters just work terribly, it's such a shame because they're such beautiful houses and are ruling by cables along the roof

[dusty pollen]

my parents' house is 100 years old (at least the part both my room and the router are in, no it's not a big house it was just even tinier originally lmao) and wifi works okay tbh

[sonic mirage]

Depends if the walls have a mesh in the plaster or not how bad they block signals

[dusty pollen]

plaster? no, cement blocks most of the uk is brick or cement block

but yeah, powerline adapters were barely functional when we tried them

[safe dragon]

imagine having plaster walls

[cinder karma]

Imagine having wood walls

I want to make bread :(

Plz

I want to make pizza and bread and all sorts of nice baked goods and garlic bread and naan and.....

[hushed raven]

The only old houses I have lived in use Rocks, like straight up heavy ass dense rocks XD

[marble jewel]

What's currently preventing you from making all the breads?

My tragic story is that I started getting into sourdough baking around the same time as my wife finding out that she is sensitive to gluten, and I haven't had any success at making GF sourdough

[sand frost]

GF bread seems hard, my brothers have managed GF muffins, cookies, and pies that are decent

[marble jewel]

GF sourdough doesn't have any "lift" like there's no folding or anything

The few things I've made turn into rubber basically

[cinder karma]

Employment

I've been working on using non gluten proteins to augment gluten btw

Using aquafabe to raise the protein of my wheat flour

Not sure of the cystiene composition of aquafabe

My gut instinct says that many different proteins can substitute for gluten, I just need to find the right one

[rain apex]

@lucid edge

I have more than three dozen pull requests for when the merge window
opens tomorrow - thank you to all the early maintainers. And as people
have mostly figured out, I'm getting to the point where I'm being
confused by large numbers (almost running out of fingers and toes
again), so the next kernel is going to be called 7.0.
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=[e-mail]/T/#u

[lucid edge]

7.0....

im gonna jump to 12.0

with NO pull requests

[little furnace]

I really thought that because your wife is sensitive to gluten you demoted her to girlfriend and are now trying to make girlfriend sourdough.

[devout vault]

I may or may not have also read GF = girlfriend the first couple reads

[devout vault]

Am I hallucinating or did google really announce that they are going to make sideloading Android apps much less practical

[fleet wren]

yep

the second statement, not the hallucinating

[hushed raven]

year of linux? + (true) linux phones any time soon plz and thx

[rain apex]

weh

[fleet wren]

kid named bank apps

though you can probably just run the android version idk

[safe dragon]

they're really trying to motivate me to install a custom OS on my next phone

[devout vault]

@ Valve steam phone when. that's a gaming market too after all!

[safe dragon]

😌

[little furnace]

Is there a reason for why it's so hard to port Dalvik to any other ARM Linux distribution?

[cinder karma]

Money

[weak obsidian]

Linux is my favorite app

(ragebait, but yes I do love Linux, amazing kernel)

[hushed raven]

If you're such a fan of linux, name 10 distros
-# also ragebait, allthough it's not that hard to do if you're familiar with linux XD

[safe dragon]

easiest thing

[prisma flume]

how many of them can be mint

[hushed raven]

even trying to find My First Distro by FischerPrice you're probably going to consider at least half of them XD

[safe dragon]

Manjaro KDE
Manjaro GNOME
Manjaro Xfce
Manjaro Cinnamon
Manjaro i3
Manjaro Sway

that's 6...

[fleet wren]

Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Edubuntu, Gobuntu, Ubuntu Cinnamon, Ubuntu MATE, Ubuntu Unity, Ubuntu Studio

[hushed raven]

Gobuntu? and Unubuntu Unity? like GoLang and the Unity game engine?

awww it's not Golang, shame

and not a game engine based OS, double shame

[cinder karma]

Why would u want a game engine based OS

[hushed raven]

I have a weird love for OSes in games and a game engine OS is just that without the game

[devout vault]

because the game devs don't have enough crunch /s

[hushed raven]

a slightly worse but more streamlined aproach

[weak obsidian]

Linux Mint, MX Linux, Slackware, Endeavour OS, Cachy OS, Debian, Devuian (the systemd-less version of Debian), Arch Linux, Ubuntu, Fedora (yesss), Manjaro, Alpine (i dont care for it), CentOS, Pop OS, ZorinOS (preferably bad), Nobara (fork of Fedora, amazing for gaming), Bazzite, Deepin, Tails, Gentoo (i compile myself), Nix (pls no), ParrotOS, Elementary OS (whyyyy), Quebes (paranoid privacy)

[cinder karma]

I cant take an operating system serious if it uses ! in its name

[weak obsidian]

KDE, GNOME, XFCE, Budgie, Mate, Cinnamon, i3, Sway, Awesome, Niri (i think is a DE? idk), Hyprland, Deepin

[weak obsidian]

ikr

[cinder karma]

I saw a teensy bunny today

A tiny one

[weak obsidian]

Just forked Firefox ESR 140.8 and renamed it

disabled telemetry for the browser by default

and removed some of the widgets and reporting

i just learned how to fork and build a browser, so bear with me 😭

[weak obsidian]

isnt there a completeny new DE?

forgot its name

based on Rust

[safe dragon]

cosmic

[weak obsidian]

yess

[hushed raven]

should've called it rustDE

[safe dragon]

I'm just glad they named it slightly more sensibly than their distro

(Pop!_OS)

[hushed raven]

I didn't know pop was rust based, hmm

[safe dragon]

the cosmic stuff is

[hushed raven]

Ohh not the whole thing? gotcha

[safe dragon]

so their own applications and underlying codebase

[weak obsidian]

Judt the DE

[safe dragon]

their own applications use a gui framework called Iced

[weak obsidian]

Didnt know

[safe dragon]

cosmic is still very rough around the edges

[weak obsidian]

I prefer CachyOS, then Nobara since its so amazing for gaming and based on fedora

[safe dragon]

but it's neat

[weak obsidian]

Debian is a favorite for no gaming

[safe dragon]

Debian is what my server uses

arch is what I use myself

[weak obsidian]

Good person. I promote you to general of the distro army.

[weak obsidian]

Btw.

[safe dragon]

yes

[hushed raven]

my server and laptop is ubuntu and desktop is manjaro, for a touchscreen laptop GNOME fits quite well

[weak obsidian]

u-u-ubuntu as personal desktop

knife emoji.

gnome is good

oh

i read it wrong

[prisma flume]

surprisingly i've never heard anyone mention puppy linux in passing, though my dad uses it for a lot of stuff

just a little distro

[weak obsidian]

I hears of it

Is it just pop os!!!!

[hushed raven]

very reminiscent of win 98/XP

[weak obsidian]

(Can't take it seriously I love seeing an exclamation mark in a name)

[weak obsidian]

ReactOS vibes?

[hushed raven]

does look very similar to raspianOS too which is familiar to me atleast

I have also never heard of ReactOS I don't think?

[weak obsidian]

I reas that as rasputin OS

[weak obsidian]

Check it out

Its unique, bad for maining

But really cool concept

[cinder karma]

Guys maybe I go to mac next time

[little furnace]

I can add Nyarch, Uwuntu and Hannah Montana Linux. And OpenSUSE, which I'm surprised nobody mentioned yet.

[hushed raven]

the few times I've used apple devices is plenty for me, I could not think of something I would enjoy less XD

[cinder karma]

Windows

[hushed raven]

I'd enjoy windows more than Mac, atleast I'm more familiar with it XD

[little furnace]

Windows are good. Like holes in the wall, but less cold.

[safe dragon]

puppy Linux is very cool but I have never had any use for it

do distros that were discontinued count like Intel's Clear Linux

[prisma flume]

only time i've used it was booting from a thumbdrive to backup/restore data while reinstalling/transferring windows

naturally he had a selection of puppy images to choose from

[hushed raven]

in my original message I was thinking of official and actively maintained distros like manjaro Xfce, KDE, and Gnome, not the community versions

but I would say if still in somewhat popular use they still count

[little furnace]

What is an official distro? One that has a Secure Boot issued by Microsoft?

[weak obsidian]

MacBook Neo amazing for itd price

[prisma flume]

it's not even out yet is it

[weak obsidian]

Most tested it im unsure

Itd great even tho it has the processor and ram like that

[prisma flume]

odd that they're pushing out a super-bargain pc in a time where super-bargain pcs are being shelved for cost inefficiency

what's up with that

[hushed raven]

like ones that are actively maintained and not a derivative of another with a different DE maintained by the not the original distros devs

tha was supposed to be in reply to Pink Serenity but I didn't actually click reply XD

[rain apex]

is 8gb ram enough now

how will u do anything if minecraft takes 8gb

[prisma flume]

depends dunnit

[little furnace]

Is Ubuntu a derivative?

[cinder karma]

Do i look like I play Minecraft

(But I'd probably go for a MacBook pro)

[rain apex]

idk i think if it has a whatever foundation behind it then its official to me

[hushed raven]

Minecrat is very unoptimsed and uses older tech but vanilla does work on 2GB I think the recommended is?

[rain apex]

atra lets form a foundation we can distribute vita linux

[hushed raven]

Ubuntu is not, but kbuntu is I would say

[prisma flume]

i'd donate to vinux

icon must be grapes

[weak obsidian]

Ubuntu derives from debian

[little furnace]

On Mac it probably is. I have to hand it to them, the OS uses the hardware super efficiently. I hope that other companies react to the Neo accordingly and start actually working together with Microsoft (and hopefully Linux) to achieve similar efficiency.

[weak obsidian]

I was shocked at what the neo can play and do, idk how

[prisma flume]

it's double symbolic due to historical religious connection between vino and vitae yup yup

[cinder karma]

It's still packing a chrome based browser tbh

I joke about it but like

[little furnace]

Isn't Safari WebKit?

[cinder karma]

Might have misheard tbh

Tbh at the rate I use it I'll be rocking my current laptop in 2035

[fleet wren]

Blink (Chrome's engine) was actually forked from WebKit

[weak obsidian]

Oh?

Wowza

[cinder karma]

I also considered desktop and Chromebook

[fleet wren]

WebKit in turn originated from KHTML (which was developed by KDE)

[little furnace]

Yeah, but I wouldn't consider it a Chromium browser because of that.

[weak obsidian]

Chromebook bad never do

I've had 2

[little furnace]

KHTML, my beloved <3

[weak obsidian]

Go for ThinkPad, MacBook neo

[rain apex]

i cant believe kde is the root of all evil /j

[weak obsidian]

Only laptops I recomnend

[weak obsidian]

WOWW

LOL, my favorite tho is kde

Im on 6.6.2

I think is thr latest?

[cinder karma]

Tbh the real issue is I do no real dev work at home

And also do no real gaming

So.

[weak obsidian]

Gnome

[little furnace]

What I hate about ThinkPads is the swapped FN key. I know you can swap it back in the BIOS, but that doesn't change the keycaps.

[weak obsidian]

Xfce

[weak obsidian]

Ahh, true, u can go with a modular laptop but its expensive

[cinder karma]

If i cant run latest greatest 3d game who the fuck cares

[devout vault]

stardew 3d, coming to nexusmods... eventually????

[little furnace]

If you can't run it it's often badly optimized.

[cinder karma]

I dont care about the fn keys anyways

[cinder karma]

They're all terribly optimized

[weak obsidian]

Minecraft

[cinder karma]

I give no more fucks

[weak obsidian]

Hytale is horribly unoptized with its render distance

20gb ram for 64 render distance

Or wss it 23gb

I forgot

[cinder karma]

Better way to say this is that I dont care about key labels, I spent too long trying to learn dvorak

[little furnace]

Honestly, that's the reason for why when I play Minecraft (every four years or so) I play Bedrock.

[cinder karma]

Also my personal computer has a bunch of silly keyboard things

[weak obsidian]

I'm a java user cause i ude a lot of optimization mods for it

So I get good fps

[cinder karma]

Ie, capslock is escape. If you want capslock, hit both shift keys

[weak obsidian]

Grub is bloated. Go with Limine

[cinder karma]

The shift polarity of the numbers is reversed

[weak obsidian]

[little furnace]

WHAT?!

[cinder karma]

Dude I'm still using xmodmap lol like the ancient I am

[prisma flume]

you stop thinking about fn-ctrl swap after a while, just part of the laptop

[cinder karma]

It's funny because once in college a friend borrowed my laptop for meeting minutes

Accidentally toggle the capslock

[prisma flume]

the pad does make you think

[cinder karma]

And couldn't turn it off

So half way through the meeting it makes it seem like everyone started shouting

[little furnace]

I refuse. All my copy-pasting muscle memory!!!

[prisma flume]

your muscles will learn 🙂‍↕️

[cinder karma]

Anyways I also almost never use my laptop's actual keyboard

[weak obsidian]

Im a software engineer
If control C and control V wasn't available, id quit

[cinder karma]

Because I'm a fragile person who likes my keys to have travel distance

[prisma flume]

it's still there lol it's just 2cm to the right

[cinder karma]

I'm sorry it's yank and put

[prisma flume]

we shall overcome

[cinder karma]

Or delete and put

[weak obsidian]

Oof

[cinder karma]

Your choice

[weak obsidian]

Just saw this

[cinder karma]

Why would I ever want to play cyberpunk 2077 lol

[little furnace]

To support European developers?

[weak obsidian]

I think i Uninstalled when I saw dancing poles

I like my games a little more pg friendly idk

Just personal preference thho

[hushed raven]

took me a few seconds to realise you didn't mean Polish people dancing...

[little furnace]

I mean, I like the idea that you could use them as the player character. Fallout 2 (currently playing that) pioneered that in mainstream games.

[cinder karma]

Hey, pole dance is a sport

:P

[little furnace]

Still prefer the first one. The atmosphere was much better.

[cinder karma]

I'm too busy making garlic bread from scratch

[weak obsidian]

Hot take: For any gamers, the oblivion remaster is an AI slop in UE5, skyblivion will be a more optimixed and nicer experience

[weak obsidian]

Email me the food zipped so it can fit.

[cinder karma]

I actually wonder how many slop mobile games AI can churn out tbh

[prisma flume]

an uncountable number

[little furnace]

That sounds likely, but before I get to playing it I want to play the other three parts, so until then there will be a new official Remaster.

[weak obsidian]

True

If u ever wanna play them

I recommend going with

Skyrim, Skyblivion, Skywind

Skywind is Morrowind remake by same group

[devout vault]

...isn't skyrim the only one that is actually out

[weak obsidian]

Yes

By the time u finish skyrim

Skybliviob will be out

Skywind follows some time after skyblivion

[devout vault]

Define finish

[little furnace]

But I want to play them in order.

[devout vault]

"Finish skyrim" is not in my vocabulary

[weak obsidian]

...500 hours

[hushed raven]

I'm still sad I can't get modded skyrim to work on linux, wabbajack WebView just does not want to work for me at all

[devout vault]

"Finish installing mods for Skyrim"? That's another story

[little furnace]

Is there Skyrena?

[weak obsidian]

Uhh, Serena marry me mods gotta add that tonight i forgot

[weak obsidian]

Idk maybe

[prisma flume]

elder scrolls ii: skyfall

[devout vault]

I don't have that many hours in the original, special edition, and VR. Combined

[prisma flume]

the sequel to the elder scrolls: quantum of solace

[weak obsidian]

Oh..imnubsure maybe

[weak obsidian]

How many hours u got..

[hushed raven]

I thought you played it often...

[regal ingot]

oddly enough, I was just at an Apple Store (for something completely unrelated). Can confirm that the neo is out, on display, and the salesperson I was making idle chatter with while waiting for them to check stock claimed they'd sold "hundreds" today.

[weak obsidian]

I got 420 hours

[little furnace]

I should really go back to playing Arena.

[prisma flume]

wow, fast release. i've never heard of it before yesterday

[devout vault]

275ish between the three

[hushed raven]

by that calculation I have finished skyrim 5 times

[weak obsidian]

U gotta play skyrim another 5 times to see skybliviob