programmers-off-topic

[lethal walrus]

although i do have to fall back to helium when zen/firefox decides to stop playing videos

[lucid sundial]

No documentation exists for it, also cause it's for a good reason

I wouldn't go into it too much, but very good reason

Documenting for Linux too (snap/aur/flatpak)

[lethal walrus]

the only reason i can think of needing to read browser's profiles is stealing cookies tbh

[lucid sundial]

I heard Helium is fast?

[lethal walrus]

i dont notice it being slow

[lucid sundial]

benchmarks show higher number

Does it work on my OS? (Windows 3.1)

[safe dragon]

no

I haven't checked but no

[lucid sundial]

i dont think it ever will

might run on DOS, however

[safe dragon]

I don't think it even should...

[lucid sundial]

nooo lol it wont

i mean, ive seen a modern browser run on DOS

CLI based

forgot its name, was one of those niche keybind type browsers

Think it was on Firefox 110-120 LTS? think so

dont ask how they got http to work, im clueless

[supple ether]

lynx?

[lucid sundial]

mm

i think a fork of lynx

i dont believe lynx supports HTTP on DOS, or DOS in general

ohh, lynx doesnt have firefox backend (gecko)

oh dang, good to know

iidk why i thoughtit was a firefox fork based on LTS version

[little furnace]

Have you worked with EdgeHTML? Was it different?

[safe dragon]

I haven't really. My old job's web application barely worked on any browser let alone edge

it mostly worked on chrome but that was it

even on firefox it was broken as hell

[prisma flume]

hhhhhh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkr-RUwb5EE

[safe dragon]

Ai

[hushed raven]

at least 3 points of that video sounded like old mcdonald had a farm

[lucid sundial]

QT_QPA_PLATFORM=xcb  ./MyApp

After spending 3 hours, it seems that apps under PyQt6 with the GTK .so will not apply under Wayland

And you'd have to force X11 as a temporary workaround, this is so painful

I shall research whyyy

even forcing the QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME doesn't work, while it shows it applied, it fails silently...good to know

[hushed raven]

don't modern Qt versions default to wayland so QT_QPA_PLATFORM isn't needed?

[lucid sundial]

You're correct, and that's what it should do. Though, due to Wayland, it's a lot more prone to failure. On KDE Plasma 6.x+, you'll see how it fails to apply the QT_QPA_PLATFORM properly, and defaults to Fusion, which still looks identical, exept buttons and progress bars differ a lot.

By having it rely on XWayland, it has some extra compatibility layers that helps it pick the correct .so file (QT Platform Theme), so my goal is to figure out why that works, but under pure Wayland fails

[lucid sundial]

This is heavily visible on Gnome, however

[hushed raven]

Ahhh gotcha, that's good to know for my future projects

[lucid sundial]

I remember this happened (not on GNOME however, it used to run flawlessly) on my older builds.

When it comes to PyQt, theming is very messy on Linux, shockingly it was easier on BSD, even though it had the same UI framework, why? I'm unsure.

[lucid sundial]

One recommendation is to never force-colors onto an element

On Windows...this is very acceptable, as PyQt for the longest time had no native support for dark theme, however, this changed in very recent Qt builds, and allows your app to auto-detect the theme and apply accordingly

[safe dragon]

god the absolute misery that is getting Qt to behave itself in non-KDE environments

I still have a strange thing where some Qt applications sometimes don't launch with their theme?

suddenly it's just a flashbang of white

and then the next time it's fine again

[lucid sundial]

Welcome to the club!

Yeah, this is very weird though, id say this is a dbus race

Does your app force palette themes? Or force the platform theme?

[safe dragon]

I have no idea what any of them are doing

[lucid sundial]

Ohh is this a system app

Like not yours youbmade

[safe dragon]

no I did not make it

[lucid sundial]

What OS? X11 or wayland? What gpu?

[safe dragon]

The only desktop applications I've built in my life have been with WinForms or MAUI

Arch, wayland, niri window manager

[lucid sundial]

Hm..

Your on your own with that one 😂

Once we get into heavily riced distros, it can be anyrging

[safe dragon]

I think it happens if the application is opened via a link instead of opened through dmenu

but I forgot which application it was

there's EasyEffects which to this day refuses to even acknowledge my theme

I think it's a kirigami thing or whatever that's called

[lucid sundial]

If its multiple applications then

Qt starts
Tries to ask system for theme
Sometimes DBus service responds = dark theme

Sometimes nothing responds fallback = Fusion (light)
Sometimes it reconnects = dark again

Do yk what app it is?

Or is it multiple

[safe dragon]

I don't remember

[lucid sundial]

Itd ok

[crystal wren]

(EasyEffects is GTK anyway, isn't it?)

[safe dragon]

not anymore

it used to be

[lucid sundial]

Are these apps based on Qt or GTK? IF YOU know

The ones that give issue

[safe dragon]

they're definitely Qt things

can't wait for there to be a popular Cosmic desktop application so I need a third UI framework to match my themes for

[lucid sundial]

A hint is that if the window has no border radius (rounding) on the edges at the boytom of the screen, then its Qt

[lucid sundial]

Ah

[safe dragon]

the easiest thing to recognize is a libadwaita app

[lucid sundial]

Oh?

Ohh true

Now Qt can get very good at hiding itself, if they bundles the .so files together, then its going to be very hard to figure out (its identical to adwaita)

[hushed raven]

I don't think this is true? unless YAD isn't Qt like I thought, my YAD things have a border radius (well had I haven't set it back up yet after reinstall)

[lucid sundial]

Its true, I built an app and there id a difference

With the proper .so theme you'll see its an identical ui except

Thr bottom borders of the window arsnt rounded

While the top is drawn correctly

[safe dragon]

I disable border radius on apps when I can regardless

[lucid sundial]

Yeah 100% understand

[hushed raven]

you will never be able to pry my border radi even from my cold dead hands XD

[lucid sundial]

Im unsure your bug, but i can say it sounds like your desktop environment is not properly alerting the qt apps

sudo pacman -S qt6ct qt6-wayland breeze-qt6

This will loekly do nothing but it'll at least show that ur system has the .so themes

Id assume youd have to edit ur files to force qt apps to respect your theme

Its too deep for me sadly

[safe dragon]

it's ok it's not a common issue

[lucid sundial]

Cosmic is cool
Cosmic is very immature
I dont recommend Cosmic for 5 years, because its the most broken mess, as it judt came out some months ago

It has potential...but yikes

Its not judt another gnome gork

Fork

It has its own code, everything

[safe dragon]

I tried the original alpha

very rough

I've gone back to try it again a few times since but it's still quite rough

there's this copy pasting bug that's been in there the entire time

[lucid sundial]

Have you tried screaming to the app? Sometimes rolling a nat 20 scares the compositor and gives u dark theme

[safe dragon]

I shall scream

[lucid sundial]

Whay made u pick arch and niri

(Wayland is obviously good so I won't bash it haha)

[safe dragon]

arch I come back to every time in the end because every other package managers annoys me in at least one way

the AUR is also just very nice when I need something very niche

[lucid sundial]

Arxh is good yes

Now Niri is a DE I have no knowledge on

[hushed raven]

same, which is a shame, some are so nice, but there seems to always be something

[safe dragon]

niri cause it sounded interesting and then I ended up really loving it and now I use it on both my pc and laptop

[safe dragon]

https://github.com/pop-os/cosmic-comp/issues/1764

always inspiring

[lucid sundial]

I used CachyOS with its LTS kernel (one version behind the latest kernel version. Glibc is usually always the latest)

It compiles binaries just for your hardware (not model numbers but you get the picture), so for very weak devices. You'll see a performance gain

Based on Arch

[lucid sundial]

Oof

[safe dragon]

yeah cachyos is interesting

[lucid sundial]

What does Niri look like?

Also, I heard a cool style came to Hyprland with very smooth android like UI

I saw some videos, really neat

Felt a bit like Mac with its animations but isnt

[hushed raven]

I'm currently on manjaro because of issues with stock arch and my old GPU, CachyOS does seem nice, but honestly I am not one for waiting on kernal compilation often XD

[safe dragon]

it's a window manager so it doesn't really "look" like anything. It doesn't even come with a bar.
It's a scrolling window manager instead of workspaces having the size of your monitor they scale infinitely horizontally

[lucid sundial]

We use arch, BTW.

[lucid sundial]

It either works smooth or breaks

[safe dragon]

manjaro keeps breaking on my sister's pc cause of weird package conflicts

and she doesn't even use the AUR

[crystal wren]

I've broken Ubuntu far more times than Arch.

[lucid sundial]

Haha, well i idnt really have that, on a 2 core ancient cpu it was super fast to finish, 10 min at most for insyallation

[safe dragon]

I've fixed her package management situation several times at this point

[lucid sundial]

Isn't Manjaro the meme of breaking often

[safe dragon]

tbh despite its name. Arch has easily been the most stable distribution I've used lmao

[lucid sundial]

Ahh my bsd

[hushed raven]

I've so far never had any package conflits with manjaro, but I do reinstall every month ish so there's never enough time to develop weird conficts

[lucid sundial]

Bad*

[lucid sundial]

Thats a lot! I do every year!

[safe dragon]

Yeah manjaro repackages a lot of... packages, which they sometimes fuck up or there's strange incompatibilities

it can be very bad if you use the AUR

[hushed raven]

Nothing I have on sda is of any importance so it's just so much easier to reinstall when I accidentally break something XD

[lucid sundial]

Its very stable, but depends on the OS, endeavor os is great but broke a few times, so far cachy is more stable for me, and even has a smooth Plymouth theme

[safe dragon]

every month damn

I'm lucky if my sister even updates her pc once a month

[lucid sundial]

Apps*

Updating OS? NEVAA

[safe dragon]

where would the line even be for a rolling release like arch

kernel updates?

[lucid sundial]

I update apps all the time, almost ASAP

The OS? For arch id say every 3 to 6 months

[safe dragon]

what does that mean? Do you update only a subset of what pacman returns?

or do you use flatpaks a lot and only update those

[lucid sundial]

I just update the apps via flatpak

[safe dragon]

right. I avoid flatpaks like the plague when I can

[hushed raven]

Same here, not a fan of flatpaks

[lucid sundial]

And update the native binaries every week (apps), and update kernel (entire OS and DE) every 3 months

Im using cachy like its debian

[lucid sundial]

Whats up with flatpaks? Its the most common for a lot of people, SNAP is a nightmare

[safe dragon]

the most bizarre flatpak to me will always be vscode because like... There's like a 0.1% chance your dev environment even works inside a sandboxed editor

[lucid sundial]

I prefer app images for browsers, using that lever app to cleanly update them

[lucid sundial]

Oh 100%

[safe dragon]

maybe if the only thing you use vscode for is the remote into a server version

[lucid sundial]

Well it depends on. What

[hushed raven]

personally I dislike how sandboxed they are, I don't like having to install another app just to let it see my other drives

[lucid sundial]

Never do an IDE via flatpak

Permission issues

[devout vault]

Qt behaves fine for me in a non-KDE environment. Please ignore the fact that I'm on Windows.

Also please ignore the issue with Tiled I opened on github recently

[thin estuary]

I’m super happy with how my modding community turned out.
The biggest mod we have broke like 2 months ago due to a minor bugfix in the game. Its IL was broken, because a field was removed. Other affected mods have been fixed since, but the author of this one has been MIA since basically the day it broke.
A generic IL rewriter in the mod loader could not be done due to the nature of the changes required. The changes were simple enough, but not something you could do for all mods in one sweep.
Today I looked at the license for the mod - no modified redistribution whatsoever allowed.
A guy in the community went and made a mod that loads earlier than the broken mod and Cecil-edits it to fix its broken IL and we can yet again play the mod

[devout vault]

(The issue in question: https://github.com/mapeditor/tiled/issues/4357)

[lucid sundial]

Thats not how flatpaks work

Flatpaks should work for apps that should be sandboxed. Browsers is one.

Apps like VMware, file explorer, and more defeats its purpose of sansboxing. An app that let's you pick HEX colors is an example of a good flatpak

Simple apps that dont depend entirely on your home and root folders is what a flstpak should be used for

[devout vault]

@ pathos cecil when

(second time I've gotten to say that recently!)

[safe dragon]

though flatpaks will break if your implementation of the xdg portals is missing the file picker part

then anything that should spawn a file picker just does nothing

[lucid sundial]

Haven't come across it, but generally flatpaks should be for apps thay dont touch your home folders and root

If it does, dont do a flatpak

File explorer needs it, so flstpaj for it is a bad idea

VMware needs gpu pass-through

So VMware needs no flatpak

U can use flatseal to customize as well the permissions

[lucid sundial]

Use flatseal to allow home folder permission

It'll fix your issue

App images have a purpose

Same for flatpaks

However, this doesnt stop users from attempting anyways

[safe dragon]

It's nothing like that. It's just applications that rely on xdg portals to spawn file pickers, which flatpaks almost always do because they're otherwise sandboxed away from file access

not every xdg portals implementation has that part implemented

hyprland being a notable one

I used to use an override to use a different portal specifically for the file picker portal

[crystal wren]

Wow, LXQt is just... screw your desktop portal, apparently.

[lyric bloom]

this convo reminds me I need to put nanjaro on my laptop and then start backing up my main PC

[safe dragon]

ironically I used the lxqt one for the file picker

[lyric bloom]

as my hard drives are making suspicious noises at night

[lucid sundial]

Ahh I see what your referring to, it makes sense why cinnamon doesnt (they have one of the largest technical debts, still struggling with modern frameworks)

Im surprised this happens to hyrpland too

[lucid sundial]

LXQt is not fun to theme either! .so themes dont really apply well in that world

[hushed raven]

I've heard a large magnet may stop them making suspicous noises (please don't actually use a magnet)

[lucid sundial]

Specifically industrial grade

Go over it 5 times like a scanner

(Dont do this)

[devout vault]

LXQt is just close enough to LINQ that for a tenth of a second I thought the conversation was actually interesting again

[crystal wren]

To be fair, a large neodymium magnet will probably stop them from making noises if mounted to one.

[safe dragon]

permanently

[hushed raven]

How large of a magnet is typically needed to damage a HDD? I don't think I've ever owned a large enough one, all my tests have show literally zero change

[safe dragon]

idk try dragging some more magnets over your hard drives

[hushed raven]

currently I only have 2 small ones on me, I should buy some more

[lucid sundial]

My dad used to grab a strong magnet he had for a body shop and went over his drive a lot with it and threw it in the dumpster

(For context, ones that can help people lift up heaby parts out of a car that are too deep to get in without removing panels off of it)

[hushed raven]

correction: 3 small ones

[lucid sundial]

Back in the HDD days

[lucid sundial]

I think you need a stronger one? I dont know too much sadly

[prisma flume]

ah i remember rubbing crt tvs with magnets back in the day. usually the neighbours' tv. good times

oh to have so little accountability

[hushed raven]

degausing made the screen look funky, shame I never got to do it

[crystal wren]

The real fun is to rub your face against it when it's freshly turned on to feel the static.

[prisma flume]

i miss the honk crinkle noise

[hushed raven]

that certainly isn't a sound I've heard from CRTs... XD

[crystal wren]

The first sound can be a bit like a demented (so, read: normal) goose honk.

[hushed raven]

omg it does make a demented goose sound wow

I was familiar with the crinckle, thats like the most memorable bit

[cinder karma]

Til....git maintenance

Sadly cannot use this one at work....

I would love to have fetch run hourly in the background but I can't

[pliant snow]

why would you want it to run hourly

[cinder karma]

Why wouldn't u?

[pliant snow]

W-why would you

[dusty pollen]

tbh when I do git manually I just git fetch whenever I'm about to do something

so I don't really end up missing the automated fetch

[cinder karma]

The thing is I have other people in this repo

And I need to know ehat they are up to

[thin estuary]

i've now merged two of my shiny toys

the Manifold library for doing CAD work, with the Kiwi Cassowary constraint solver library

code kinda sucks still but it works

[cinder karma]

Why do you need a constraints solver

Is this IRL ui layout

I'm terrified

[thin estuary]

i just say:

1. give me the outer box at a specific size and thickness
2. give me the inner box at a specific size
3. put the inner box in the outer box' corner

[cinder karma]

Fun fact

If u use VSCode this is on by default

[thin estuary]

and yes this is in fact irl UI layout

i want to be able to just say "put these boxes in a row, let them resize themselves within their given ranges, give them some spacing"

[cinder karma]

That's awesome

Sounds cool

[thin estuary]

i didn't realize this was something i could do, until like 3h ago

[cinder karma]

There are ways to do this with solidwork iirc

[thin estuary]

when it clicked... it felt so awesome

[cinder karma]

Nice!!!!

And in 3d too

[thin estuary]

also, the web says .3mf is a super universal format for models

it's not

i have a 3D viewer app, and a slicer app for 3D printing

and they each expect completely different shit in the file

i've managed to get a file to work in both, but it took me like 2h of tinkering

also i didn't want to bother with real XML writing so i just write out some multiline strings rofl

[prisma flume]

fork git client runs an intermittent fetch which is nice

i've never even heard of .3mf

[dusty pollen]

yup, I just mean I don't miss it when I don't haha

[hushed raven]

3mf files have been a pain with me, it's nice they carry material data, but while they have a set standard, that standard is not followed often, great in concept but very much the xkcd standards comic

[thin estuary]

i'd just use .stl like a normal person, but i wanted to put multiple objects into one file, offset exactly the way i want, and also optionally named for my slicer to recognize all of that

[prisma flume]

what was wrong with obj and stl

[thin estuary]

i could make it a dumb .stl file but then i gotta export them all manually

[hushed raven]

stl is still the format I use, at least it can be converted semi easily and I think has been around longer so it's more mature?

[thin estuary]

hard to go wrong with .stl, if all it contains is a list of triangles - 3 position vectors + a normal vector each

i don't think you even can store anything other than that in one

[hushed raven]

I'm sure there's modified stl formats, I feel like solidworks has one (but it has been many years since I last used solidworks)

[cinder karma]

Are you sharing a repo with someone

[lucid sundial]

Old post, but a temporary fix for others who struggle with this is:

os.environ["QT_QPA_PLATFORM"] = "wayland;xcb"

This isn't forcing a platform theme, easy to mistaken, this is pretty much a safeguard to test if whether wayland's platform themes are available or not with the user's operating system, unless manually bundled with the app (great, cheap idea, but horrible to maintain). If wayland's theming isn't avaiiable, fallback to Xwayland

Here's a pretty good link if anyone wants to know what x11 v.s wayland looks like in terms of support: https://gist.github.com/probonopd/9feb7c20257af5dd915e3a9f2d1f2277

[dusty pollen]

I have in the past

[sand frost]

I have beef with stl sometimes, depending on the triangulation method it can either have way too many or way too few triangles which means bad stuff

[thin estuary]

That’s true regardless of format

[runic kraken]

Fellow Linux nerds, I embraced the warm embrace of NixOS

[safe dragon]

my condolences

[runic kraken]

wdym? I love it so far

I fucking hated Arch because there was a dice roll of a chance that shit would break and it was a nightmare of mutable state, but I loved its flexibility

This gives me the flexibility of Arch while ensuring NOTHING can change or break

I would rather spend 5-10 mins figuring out how to install a package or system setting and do it once and have it remain stable for 100s of generations, rather than doing it in 5 seconds and then 5 months later it breaks everything

[safe dragon]

everyone I know who uses Nix package management both love it and hate it

it often takes a fair bit of effort to get things to work in the first place

once it does it's nice but getting there can be rough

[hushed raven]

ye that's mostly the reason I haven't swapped over to NixOS yet even though I very much intend to

[hushed raven]

I have to inflict this pain on others because I will never un notice it, the "PLAY" button on Steam has some weird corner rounding issues tiny little pointy bits

[long verge]

I hate you

[hushed raven]

glad to be of service XD

[long verge]

the worst part is that it looks ok until you hover it

[hushed raven]

Oh it's specifically related to the gradient too, as you move the mouse closer to the left side, the spikes grow!

and only games with the arrow to stream them XD

[pliant snow]

I've used Nix for a few months at a time, and while I love the idea of just having a single config file to completely set up a system, you'll soon find that the documentation of what to put into that file to get things to work is often vague (although maybe it's improved). Creating my own AUR scripts is also really easy while making my own Nix packages was a nightmare

You might love it tho, I never had any breaking issues like that on Arch. Being able to rollback is an awesome feature to have. Its the only linux distro to tempt me from Arch, so someday I should give it another try

[cinder karma]

In my email this morning

[cyan shadow]

It is time

[hushed raven]

I wonder if it is actually true to life, it would be a fantastic way of prototpying without the constant breaking of componants

[red crest]

Why do you break components so much, don't you know exactly what each component is going to do before you put them in the breadboard
Or does electricity have rng elements that I don't know about

[hushed raven]

depends how small you get, nearing the limits of physics itself does have some rng XD, I don't deal with stuff that small though, I'm just clumsy and often accidentally breaks the legs of components when using breadboards or put them in the wrong way around

oh and rarely sending wayyy to much voltage to a component but that's very rare

[red crest]

Why not prototype with good old fashioned pen and paper

Grid paper can make a good breadboard

[hushed raven]

mostly because prototyping like that doesn't make as much sense to me as a physical breadboard, it's useful for the idea stage where rough details are known, just not actual implementation stage where specifics are needed

[red crest]

But think of the components you'll save

[hushed raven]

that's why I was wondering how true to life crumb is XD

[red crest]

I don't mean just for jotting down a rough sketch I mean literally drawing in little capacitors and wires on the paper

[cinder karma]

Ltspice

[red crest]

Like a photo of a bread board

Ltspice does not look like a breadboard

[hushed raven]

like the symbolic representations of them? or like the actual odd shapes of components?

[red crest]

No like literally draw them like you're a still life artist

[hushed raven]

that would be hell to me XD and would take so much longer

[red crest]

But you'd be very sure of what your components were and would be at no risk of frying them

Unless you wanted to fry them

[hushed raven]

it is quite fun to make a capacitor go pop

[dusty pollen]

prototype by nerd sniping someone else

or like this (very professional method only reveal if you're prepared) (professionals only)

[devout vault]

That’s amateur level

True professionalism here

[dusty pollen]

how dare you

[devout vault]

I mean, you posted a dog, what did you expect from kitty cat casey

[hushed raven]

I would raise you a jumping spooder but people may have auto reveal spoilers and arachnophobia so I shalln't reguardless of how cute it is XD

[red crest]

As someone who loves spiders that is disappointing, but as a Junimo I think that's a good choice

[rain apex]

Wait is auto reveal spoilers a thing

[cinder karma]

You may DM me the spider

fzf is fun

[hushed raven]

I shall DM you the spider

[safe dragon]

I was very confused before reading back up

[lucid sundial]

https://www.amazon.com/Razer-BlackShark-Wireless-Gaming-Headset-PC/dp/B0F3QDLZKG?nsdOptOutParam=true&s=electronics

For anyone into audio, do you recommend these headphones? I'm very new, and was wondering if anyone had some comments on their personal favorites

I mean the pro model lemme relink, there

[hushed raven]

I don't know much about audio, but I do know a pair of studio headphones the same price as gaming headphones, 9/10 times the studio ones will be of higher quality

[lucid sundial]

Ahh I see, sadly I cant find them ahha

also my budget is around 200-220 at max, i cant afford 500+

Does anyone use any that are pretty good rn?

[crystal wren]

Ooh, headphones!

[lucid sundial]

before anyone suggets, it does need a mic cause- i do use it for discord lol

[hushed raven]

Is the mic a neccesity? if not There seems to be many people recommending Audio-technica M50x, I can't speak for them myself though

[lucid sundial]

though it doesnt have to be great

[hushed raven]

Oh XD

[lucid sundial]

yeah its a requirement haha

[crystal wren]

So... do you need USB? Do you need any of the features a gamery headset comes wi-

Mic inclusion does shift things!

[lucid sundial]

yeah, i play games so sadly i need

[crystal wren]

Honestly?

https://www.amazon.com/Antlion-Audio-Attachable-Microphone-Headphones/dp/B07KQF165L + https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-508697-HD599-Open-Headphones/dp/B07Q7S7247

Even getting mic + headphones separately, you're normally better with non-gaming stuff.

[fleet wren]

lol I was also about to post that I rock a Sennheiser + Antlion mic + a Fulla Schitt combo

[crystal wren]

Including the amp/DAC would have bumped it a but over the budget here for at least those Sennheisers, sadly!

[lucid sundial]

Ahh I see, very expensive though! I'm unsure if I can go to 300 dollars

[fleet wren]

a DAC is not strictly necessary if you're using lower powered headphones but for the Sennheiser I'm using the built in audio output port doesn't output enough power and it's super quiet by comparison

[crystal wren]

OH! It's showing in GBP for me there, hang on!

Didn't realise.

[fleet wren]

for recs in general I used this site before, may be outdated: https://sites.google.com/view/headphoneadvice/home

[devout vault]

but what if i want the cat ears on my headphones

(I still need to get some of those)

[devout vault]

do any of these have the cat ears

[lucid sundial]

oh my bank

[lucid sundial]

amazon.com might haev cat ear attachmetns 🤣

I think i saw some earlier

(dont ask why)

[devout vault]

not the same

[fleet wren]

yep cant go wrong with Sennheiser
(also my antlion mic actually broke some time ago and I've been using the one built in my webcam, and ngl as long as ppl can hear clear syllables from your mouth you don't need a super good mic)

[frosty echo]

I think you kind of can. There are lots of their models not mentioned there

[lucid sundial]

I heard McDonald's mic is the highest quality?

[fleet wren]

dont they make burgers

[hushed raven]

What if I want people to hear the slightest sound round me? Hearing the tap 2 rooms away would be perfect ambiance

[crystal wren]

There are also so many questions like... sound profile preference. Do you like bass? Do you want closed headphones, open headphones so you can hear sounds around you, etc.

[lucid sundial]

Closed (no audio can be heard around me), bass is preferred

[devout vault]

no they make 'products'

[lucid sundial]

OMG! I saw that one!

[hushed raven]

personally I use a pair of wired earbuds that came in a pack of 4 for 2 quid from amazon, plugged directly into my monitor, they're grand XD

[crystal wren]

Okay, well that would probably make cheaper options more palatable for you!

[frosty echo]

Creative Aurvana Live! SE plus Samson Go mic then, maybe?

[devout vault]

Headphones that just sit on top of your ears are weird to me. Only good headphones are closed ones

[frosty echo]

Uh that's not what open and closed mean here

[marble jewel]

Open headphones have a better "sound stage" if you have a controlled environment where noise bleed isn't an issue

[lucid sundial]

true but i think its more about what u hear around u idk im no expert dotn ask me

[devout vault]

Then what does it mean???

[marble jewel]

Open is kind of like allowing air to pass through the ear cups

[frosty echo]

Whether they have a grille type thing on the ^

[marble jewel]

It's not an airtight seal on your ears

[devout vault]

That sounds weird

Though I wonder if that would help with my headphone fatigue

[dusty pollen]

(this is on-ear vs over-ear btw)

[crystal wren]

Basically whether they're... well, open on the outside. Generally cooler, will let more sound in, often less fatiguing.

[safe dragon]

it's wonderful

[cinder karma]

I will say I just bought a $25 Chinese headset and it's fine

[devout vault]

I mean that's how I've normally heard it called, but I didn't know if the people really into headphones and stuff had different terminology 😛

[cinder karma]

I also have another cheap set that has a mic on it

That my dad got me

[marble jewel]

Open are the audiophile's choice, but if you have a lot of room noise, then it might not be suitable for that environment

[fleet wren]

yeah on ear headphones are the work of the devil and i don't know why they were invented

[safe dragon]

I'll refrain from calculating how much I've spent on headphones

[crystal wren]

On ear and over ear are another different set of categories!

[devout vault]

Hmm, the window AC I got is a noisy one

But the main issue I run into is the headphone fatigue

[crystal wren]

What headphones have you used in the past?

If they're on ear... yeah, that adds up.

[hushed raven]

TIL not all headphones press against your ears, I just look like an elephant

[cinder karma]

I also have a cheap ass pair of knockoff pods

[cyan shadow]

I have the Sony XM4s
Good stuff

[safe dragon]

on ear is evil and I'm convinced only exists to force people in corporate environments to use absolute garbage

[lucid sundial]

My current one is the:

Logitech G G432 Wired Gaming Headset w/ 7.1 Surround Sound; Rotating Ear Cups, Flip-to-Mute Mic

I've had this for 5 years! The mic is going static and about to die, it's been through war

[devout vault]

I've only ever used over ear, and probably closed since I didn't know open ones were a thing

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #7563 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1478430501164417236)

[safe dragon]

open is nicer, you don't have that pressure feeling on the ears

[marble jewel]

A perk on having separate headphones vs mic is you can replace each independently

[crystal wren]

I splurged for the XM6s recently as a travel pair and to temporarily replace the headphones I've had to send in for warranty.

Honestly, they sound way better than I expected.

[devout vault]

That's longer than any headphones I've ever had have lasted

[lucid sundial]

True, it can also replace my bank account with zeros

[safe dragon]

we're already at the XM6?

[hushed raven]

I don't think I've had a single pair last over a year... wow

[lucid sundial]

I still recommend it if you find it for very cheap, but don't expect anything crazy, it just works'

[safe dragon]

what

[devout vault]

I have a separate mic because one of my past headphones had the mic break but not the audio

[marble jewel]

If the headphones are still working, and only the mic is dying, you can continue to use them and just get a mic. Probably the cheaper option overall.

[frosty echo]

Have they all been gamer type things?

[safe dragon]

all my headphones have lasted years upon years

[fleet wren]

my prev sennheiser lasted 4

[safe dragon]

at most I've replaced the ear pads

[lucid sundial]

Irreplacble, its cheap headset, also ive had it for 5 years so the ear muffs are disintigrading

[fleet wren]

and I'm pretty sure it's only the cable that died

[devout vault]

no clue - at least some have

[hushed raven]

I don't like large headphones so I end up losing them or forgetting them on a train

[fleet wren]

still bought new ones though cuz I'm lazy

[frosty echo]

IEMs plus a separate mic may be an option you haven't considered too, and likely to be cheaper too

[safe dragon]

my very first Bluetooth headphones are still used by my mom, just some new earpads and that's it

[devout vault]

This isn't including ones I've gotten in person (like my parents picking me up some or something), and I feel like might not include duplicates (like, I'm pretty sure I had that last one at least 2 twice)

[crystal wren]

This could be an option:

1. https://www.amazon.com/Antlion-Audio-Attachable-Noise-Cancelling-PlayStation/dp/B0D4RGKMGR
2. https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATHM40x-Professional-Monitor-Headphones/dp/B00HVLUR54

[marble jewel]

This is the combo I've been rocking

[lucid sundial]

Ohhh boy, the bengoo there seems like full plastic (like mine!), hopefully its quality is high ahha

[lucid sundial]

their design always looks great

the brand

[marble jewel]

I sacrifice a bit of audio quality to have wireless because I can't be bothered by cords

[devout vault]

I sacrifice the convenience of wireless because I will never remember to charge it

[cinder karma]

I need to knit myself new ear pieces for mine

[marble jewel]

It has swappable batteries, so I always have a charged battery ready to go

[crystal wren]

Don't even necessarily have to sacrifice quality if it's either lossless Bluetooth or not Bluetooth!

[marble jewel]

It's not bluetooth

[cinder karma]

I got mine in grad school so they're like....six years old?

[marble jewel]

But my combo costs over $500

[cinder karma]

Mine are Bluetooth but also have 3.5 aux

[lucid sundial]

I do too, I want it for my steam deck, steam machine, and phone when I'm busy, so the one I was thinking works out (the v3 pro from acer)

[lucid sundial]

some have up to 70 hour battery life! rare, but u can find sometimes,

[devout vault]

ah, but what if it runs out in the middle of a multiplayer game? taps forehead

[cinder karma]

Also I dont own a stram deck lol

[lucid sundial]

my wallet laughed at me

[devout vault]

(I'll have you know stardew valley MP is Serious Business™)

[marble jewel]

Mine has done that. I awkwardly switch over to my desktop speakers, quickly swap out the battery, and then switch back

[lucid sundial]

steam deck - a handheld console (not the stream deck)

[cinder karma]

You cant do that in stardew

[devout vault]

cool. i will never turn it off and still end up with it running out a couple times of week

[cinder karma]

At least until one of myuu or Casey gets inspired enough to fix that bug

Anyways, I just built myself a charging station next to my desk lol

So all my electronics are charged

[lucid sundial]

idk why i read Casey as CaseOh, but that works too!

[cinder karma]

I think in total all my headsets over thr last decade are $100

And I kill headsets

[fleet wren]

this may sound heretical but if apple open source whatever proprietary protocol they use for HQ audio+mic to be available for PC the airpod pro is probably the best general wireless headset/mic combo

[marble jewel]

My game audio is routed to a virtual driver, so it's not up to stardew to switch

[cinder karma]

Nice!

[lucid sundial]

I have the fourth gen airpods! they are beasts, but suck outside of apple'e ecosystem

lot of cut offs and echoing on videos i watch if on an android

[cinder karma]

(Long distance runners murder headsets. If i can get two years out of a pair of earphones it's awesome)

[lucid sundial]

or steam deck it disconnects

[fleet wren]

(obviously won't happen in 10000 years)

[cinder karma]

Between the shaking and the sweat, they die

[hushed raven]

pretty much everything I own that doesn't move around is wired, headphones and mouse are the only things I would fork out on to be wireless,

[hushed raven]

(also thank you for reminding me, I desperately need to do this)

[marble jewel]

Wave Link software is now free, I believe, and works great

It used to only be for Elgato hardware

[hushed raven]

Ahh windows or mac though, not sure how it would work with linux when ran through wine/proton/any compat layer

but that is like pretty much exactly what I'm looking for so that's a good thing to base my search on, ty!

[lucid sundial]

does it work on any headset or nah

[marble jewel]

You need Wave Link 3.0+ specifically

Prior versions were only for Elgato hardware, but 3.0 made it work with any device

https://www.elgato.com/us/en/s/wave-link-app

[lucid sundial]

even trash headphones like the logitech i got rn? :0

[cinder karma]

I was about to write myself yet another parser but thankfully python comes with batteries included

shlex exists

[devout vault]

.q add "Meow is copyrighted Casey, 2026." - @crystal wren

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #7566 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1478450345490387028)

[devout vault]

I love how nobody even questioned that

It's a real quote

[hushed raven]

I mean, I did question it, Searched "meow" on the IPO site, and saw it was actually registered

[devout vault]

[hushed raven]

"meow" isn't registered, but "Meow" and "MEOW" are

[devout vault]

What does IPO stand for

[hushed raven]

Intellectual Property Office, the governing body that deals with trademarking intellectual property things in the UK, sorry

[devout vault]

Ah

Well, two problems with that:

• He said copyrighted, not trademarked
• I'm not in the UK, so I can't register it there (I assume?)

[hushed raven]

Corrected myself, I meant intellectual property not trademarked (it seems IP in the UK is copywrite and trademark? which doesn't quite seem right)

If you have any official dealings on paper with the UK I think you can?

[devout vault]

I do not

[hushed raven]

so things like working for a UK company, providing substantial business to UK citizens, and probably a few others

Poor MEOW, R.I.P

[little furnace]

Cat ear headphones isn't the same as having cat ears yourself though.

[devout vault]

I don't want cat ears myself

[little furnace]

No? But the hearing is great.

Also, they look cute.

[dusty pollen]

that's correct for most IP, I believe?

copyright, trademark, patent

(copyright for creative works, trademarks for business marks like logos, names, and any other way you can recognise a business, and patent for inventions and technologies)

[red crest]

Also copyright is mostly global anyway thanks to the Berne Convention.
(Not trademark though. Dunno about patents but probably not those either.)

[dusty pollen]

is the berne convention the dmca one

(because dmca is also very international)

[red crest]

I do not know

If the DMCA one is signed by 181 countries then its probably Berne

[dusty pollen]

oh about a century off lmao

(dmca = digital millenium copyright act iirc)

[red crest]

That's just a US law innit?

Ah, US law implementing the protections of a different international treaty type deal

[dusty pollen]

yup

[devout vault]

I would say "the US has a big case of NIH syndrome", but I'm not sure that term was coined in the US, so we'd probably have something separate but has the exact same meaning

[hushed raven]

Oh I thought IP was a 4th different one, good to know

[hushed raven]

(Thought you meant National Institutes of Health syndrome and was very confused for a second)

[cinder karma]

(Same)

[devout vault]

nah we don't have our own version of that, we just said "who needs healthcare?"

[cinder karma]

Common law systems are fun

I'm enjoying listening to the supreme court arguments

[cyan shadow]

Hell yeah

[red crest]

Quill! Hi

[cyan shadow]

(Trademark too kinda by virtue of... Milan, was it.)

Hiiii

[red crest]

I'm unfamiliar with this Milan thing

[cyan shadow]

I'm rusty - I meant the Madrid Convention

Governs trademarks and introduces a classification system

WIPO also has a universal filing system that you can use to mass apply for trademarks in different signatory jurisdictions

[red crest]

Oh that one! I have heard of that one. You still have to actually choose to register elsewhere to do that though, right? Like filing a trademark just in the US doesn't mean other countries have to respect it

Only if you also register there as well

[dusty pollen]

button how do you know so much about IP law

[dusty pollen]

(IP is the umbrella term)

[devout vault]

Button is such an expert in IP that they even have one of their own

So do I. Here, let me show you: http://127.0.0.1/

[mystic tinsel]

IPv4 or IPv6 😜 ?

[devout vault]

IPv4, because it's more scarce and therefore cooler, of course

[dusty pollen]

how do you have access to the website I'm currently building

[devout vault]

Shouldn't have built it on my IP

Not sure how you missed my website being there, though

[hushed raven]

your website? I think you mean mine! I've been working on this for ages!

[mystic tinsel]

Not even a secure website smh

[devout vault]

Nah, PHP 4 eval() is secure on its own

[cyan shadow]

Yeah you need to register in multiple places, wipo just provides a consolidated portal!

(Sorry for the late reply was helping my Boi finish his first thesis chapter)

[hushed raven]

-# is $(reboot) in the password field the correct one to soft brick?

[cyan shadow]

He finished it we can go to sleep now

[mystic tinsel]

That's excellent! I'm still debating whether to pursue a PHD (so much writing) 😅

[red crest]

Oh I definitely woudn't say I know "so much", I just know enough to refer to certain things and be very confident (but not to a lawyerly degree) in some select things re: licensing

[dusty pollen]

still so much

(I know why quill knows so much, but that's because quill's a lawgaliser)

[marble jewel]

I'm about as much of an expert on IP law as I can ask ChatGPT for the answer and hope it doesn't hallucinate

In other words, I'm a modern-day reddit guru

[cyan shadow]

I just applied to a position recently, keeping my fingers crossed that I get it

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #7573 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1478525966471925791)

[mystic tinsel]

What field are you pursuing?!?

[cinder karma]

Matt off the top of your head what is the traditional IRA limit in 2036

[crystal wren]

I forget, were you team MPL 2.0?

[cyan shadow]

Tech law

[red crest]

You can get away with any legal claim as long as you preface it with "I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice." Quill can back me up on this /j

[cinder karma]

What's your field?

[mystic tinsel]

That's so cool!

[marble jewel]

By 2036, it'll probably be like 10,000 due to inflation

[cyan shadow]

Wbu?

[red crest]

Like, for my mods? All of mine are... All Rights Reserved

[mystic tinsel]

I have a BA in cybersecurity and a Masters in quantum computing information science

[cyan shadow]

It depends

[red crest]

That's another lawyer phrase

[marble jewel]

🏴‍☠️ ARR

[red crest]

Also a great modding phrase I use a lot in making-mods when people ask how to do things

[hushed raven]

quantum stuff! how fancy! I do love quantum stuff but wow it can be confusing

[cinder karma]

Nice!

[mystic tinsel]

I have to go, but it's a pleasure meeting everyone!

[cyan shadow]

Oooooo

[cyan shadow]

My favourite one, you see

Because I can also hide behind it if I'm not sure

[marble jewel]

I am not a mathematician, and this is not mathematical advice, but 1 x 1 = 2

[red crest]

I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, but I think it depends. Check your local laws.

[cyan shadow]

Yeap

[hushed raven]

close, it's actually 1 / 1 = 2, hope that helps! 🤓 👆

[safe dragon]

glgl

actually 1 ^ 1 = 2

[cinder karma]

So I can start screaming about being sleep deprived to the judge?

[safe dragon]

it could certainly be done

[hushed raven]

the outcome may not be the one you want however

[cinder karma]

Anyways

Can't talk about law without getting into politics so

What about video games

Chat, what is your current favorite video game

[safe dragon]

of all time or just if the games I've played recently

[cinder karma]

Recently

[devout vault]

I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, but you are allowed the jettison everything with Rust (the programming language) into the sun, without any consequences

[red crest]

No consequences thanks to the safety of Rust, right?

[devout vault]

As in nobody can punish me

[hushed raven]

Factorio currently with a save playtime of close to 1k hours

[sand frost]

clearly stardew lol

[safe dragon]

oh a new channel name

exciting

[sand frost]

but actually recently i've played a bunch of TerraScape

[cinder karma]

Ooh!

I'm not a lawyer and I'm not your lawyer

[hushed raven]

Oh no I no longer belong here!

[sand frost]

29 hours doesn't compare to the 1700 in stardew obvs

[cinder karma]

But lets talk about....licensing!

[safe dragon]

silksong definitely favorite but I've been enjoying runescape a lot...

[devout vault]

I missed it

[hardy jewel]

you're lying, I thought you hated runescape

[cinder karma]

What's your favorite legal podcast?

I'm listening to Stay Tuned with Preet

[devout vault]

is a legal podcast something people are expected to have a favorite of

[cinder karma]

In lawyers-off-topic? Obviously

[safe dragon]

I'm not like league of legends players I don't play games I don't enjoy

[hardy jewel]

😌

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7574 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1478532467852841002)

[safe dragon]

I've never really gotten into podcasts

any

[cinder karma]

Look, do you or do you not think pung vs Isabella county is decided correctly

[hardy jewel]

I used to listen to legal podcasts back when I wanted to go into law, but I've erased those times from memory

[cinder karma]

What's your favorite programming youtuber

[devout vault]

ponders if I actually watch any

[safe dragon]

you had a lot of aspirations huh

[devout vault]

I'm gonna say Ethoslab. He counts because he has mentioned programming before, and has a few ancient videos of game stuff he programmed. Right????

[safe dragon]

ethoslab programmed a turtle in lua once in modded

[cinder karma]

I also wanted to be a lawyer

[hardy jewel]

when I first joined this server I was so dead set on going into law, then I studied stuff in the veterinary space... zoology... and I have now settled in healthcare

()

[devout vault]

Oh sure, Zoe had fluctuating interests and gets told they had many aspirations.

I have fluctuating interests and I'm told I "start too many projects" and I "should try actually finishing something for once". smh

[devout vault]

Oh true, forgot about that. I was thinking of his 2d games

Not minecraft related at all

Yes, it's real

[hushed raven]

wait when? I missed the modded turtle stuff! damn

[safe dragon]

🌈

[devout vault]

to be fair modded series haven't been around in ages

[safe dragon]

idk it's genuinely ages ago

[devout vault]

Probably one of the mindcrack series

[hushed raven]

Ohh okay, I thought it was a recent thing, mindcrack was increadible, there's a new one now though right?

[devout vault]

Behold, Ethoslab 2d game videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSWLQ64boBY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OqRoxJu3d4

[devout vault]

New mindcrack? Or new modded series?

[cinder karma]

I went from chemistry to biology to electrical engineering

[hushed raven]

new mindcrack sorry

[cinder karma]

And I've always had an interesting in law

[devout vault]

Uhhhh I think they are going again but he left ages ago

He's on hermitcraft now

[safe dragon]

peak

[hardy jewel]

honestly makes sense

[cinder karma]

Anyways

If i had infinite time I would like to have like nine different jobs

[devout vault]

If I had infinite time I would have like nine different projects

Minimum

It has been eons since I watched the old modded series, maybe its time to rewatch

[safe dragon]

I had no idea what to do, picked "game technologies" which was just a computer science degree with very effective marketing...

Actually failed the web dev course in uni out of a complete lack of interest and then somehow became a professional web developer

[devout vault]

I think game dev -> web dev is a pretty typical pipeline

[safe dragon]

any programming background to web dev seems like a typical pipeline

ok maybe not OS/driver development

[hushed raven]

it's the current trajectory I am currently seeing myself fall into no matter how much I really don't want it XD

[red crest]

What about the opposite. What if I got into web dev for game dev?

[dusty pollen]

...don't?

(/lh)

[red crest]

Too late

[devout vault]

something something web3.0 is the future

[cinder karma]

Also I can sing and somewhat dance so is that a valid atra career path

[red crest]

My very first real dive into web dev was using React to make a text adventure

[safe dragon]

that's how you end up with crosscode using HTML5 as its engine

[red crest]

(This was like a decade ago now)

[hardy jewel]

I so want this era for you

[devout vault]

okay hold on, maybe people should follow Button's suggestion...

[dusty pollen]

alabaster dawn demo was fun but FRIED my laptop. could cook an egg on that thing

[devout vault]

is this why you never tried MC

Or did I just not hear about when you finally got around to it

[dusty pollen]

no I never tried MC because 3d scary

[devout vault]

double checks something

then why did you want to join the server

[hushed raven]

I wonder if it would use 100% of my GPU like that monster guild one XD

[red crest]

iro is susceptible to peer pressure

[devout vault]

(Had to make sure I didn't get my iro/ichor s mixed up)

[dusty pollen]

conquering my fears

[safe dragon]

that's how it goes. My first job ended up being more web dev-y than I initially thought but then that's where I gained experience so it's what I ended up being hirable as and now it's just part of what I do

[dusty pollen]

well it used 100% of mine. but also 0%

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7575 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1478535732334166148)

[devout vault]

plz join us in minecraft

[cinder karma]

Isnt Minecraft like

Microsoft Java block game

[devout vault]

We gave up on atra (for obvious "what's a minecraft" reasons) /s

[dusty pollen]

would you like the mailing address for the laptop you're sending me--

[hushed raven]

webdev is something I do enjoy but as a hobby not as a job, it seems like a market that's way too saturated for my liking

[safe dragon]

I see nothing weird

[cinder karma]

Cats

[dusty pollen]

(I'm happy to join you on vanilla plus Minecraft when you play it )

[devout vault]

Will a 2010 macbook pro suffice

[hushed raven]

wtf is BugCat?

[hardy jewel]

Wish we'd known this before hiring you...

[hardy jewel]

[safe dragon]

[devout vault]

and why are there 5 major versions of it

[dusty pollen]

[devout vault]

(and importantly, is it semantic versioning)

[hushed raven]

is there so many versions because of the emote limit?

[devout vault]

is there some secret mold lore im missing

[safe dragon]

yes bugcat follows semver strictly

[red crest]

Yes (no) (possibly)

[safe dragon]

(yes)

[hushed raven]

that's why they have multiple servers, incompatible changes requires it

[dusty pollen]

just wait until someone forks an old version

[hushed raven]

(That is so many more emotes than I ever would expect to be needed)

[cinder karma]

Two things

1. This is stardew server not Minecraft

2. Lawyers play Minecraft

[dusty pollen]

(the issue is stickers and animated emotes, not regular emotes)

[hardy jewel]

Says who

[hushed raven]

Ohhhh okay

[little furnace]

What about Stardew in 3d?

[cinder karma]

That's Casey's thing

I dont even know what a video game is

I'm very lost

[safe dragon]

tbh I'm still in my lil niche corner kinda. I build frontends too but it's not my job title

[hardy jewel]

I think that playing Minecraft is very essential character development

[devout vault]

I was asked if I wanted to be moldy at one point in the distant past, do I qualify to know the secret lore

[little furnace]

Have you ever heard of Pac-man?

[little furnace]

That explains a lot about my underdeveloped personality.

[devout vault]

Oh I meant trying even vanilla

[cinder karma]

No

[red crest]

I'm not at liberty to answer, I havent graduated Apple Academy.

[cinder karma]

It's a requirement for becoming a lawyer

[cinder karma]

You're beyond moldy now

Pink outranks mold

[little furnace]

It's like if they turned Pixels into an interactive software to have fun with.

[cinder karma]

What's a pixel

[hushed raven]

but there is also pink mold... (Serratia marcescens, very pretty)

[little furnace]

A Sandler movie.

[cinder karma]

I accept this lore

[hushed raven]

(do ignore the fact that it's not actually mold but infact bacteria, the "mold" in the name is just a weird colloquialism)

[devout vault]

(excuse the quality even worse than normal, I spliced together two versions of the meme because neither was just right for dramatic effect)

[cinder karma]

What's fun

[devout vault]

The brand of an RGB dice kickstarter that I backed years ago and they are still having production problems

[little furnace]

Fun is generally seen as a lack of information.

[hushed raven]

oof I remember them, so many kickstarters have failed... miserably

[devout vault]

Some people have gotten theirs! I think the color I picked was a problem one

We still get monthly updates

[little furnace]

But if it's a dice, wouldn't it be a voxel?

[devout vault]

Though you could easily argue that there's plenty of "?????" about some of these updates

[hushed raven]

Oh I'm glad they're actually communicative, that certainly is a nice difference to the many I have heard about

[cinder karma]

Is refreshing the s&p 500 fun

[hushed raven]

I could not think of anything more exhilarating

[devout vault]

I've never backed one that has disappeared outright

Lucky me I guess

[little furnace]

I don't know what that is, that makes it very likely.

[devout vault]

This one had the campaign in 2021 and estimated release of 2022, though

[safe dragon]

idk it's not something I've ever tried before

[devout vault]

A lot of the updates are weird though because there are apparently some on amazon? (not of certain colors, like the one I originally picked)

[devout vault]

username is very fitting

[cinder karma]

For April Fools you guys absolutely should

[safe dragon]

I member when we had a rivalry with the terraria server cause we were a similar size

and then they became gigantic

[hardy jewel]

mojang would probably make us cease to exist

our sonic and club penguin takeovers were very fun however

[devout vault]

Just do minetest instead of minecraft

Oh wait it's called luanti now?

[cinder karma]

Or 3d stardew

[devout vault]

I don't think I can have that done in the next 4 weeks

[cinder karma]

I actually dont know what terraria is

[devout vault]

because assets

[safe dragon]

game

[supple ether]

French guy who ate things people probably shouldn't

[hushed raven]

I don't know french, is that what the word terraria sounds/looks like in french?

[cinder karma]

Anyways

I hear in Minecraft you set people on fire

[hushed raven]

Mmm roast minecraftian, pairs well with milk and a golden apple

[cinder karma]

Atlas! You may have good taste

What video game do u play

And does it involve assembly

[prisma flume]

wow can't believe i missed the headphones discussion

despite all the weird windows bluetooth connectivity quirks i adore my bose quietcomfort 35 ii headphones

recommended them to a work friend and they got the next generation ones as well

[dusty pollen]

-# and if you use my affiliate link "bblueberrysdv" you can get 20% off--

[prisma flume]

great quality even despite being noise-cancelling bluetooth, very lightweight, simple to replace the cushions

[hardy jewel]

every time you mention a product or brand I happen to also use the same...

it's starting to get freaky

[cinder karma]

Framework

[prisma flume]

by now you should each realise you are all me

[cinder karma]

Bose

[hardy jewel]

however I personally hate my bose quietcomforts

[prisma flume]

wow

[hardy jewel]

I don't go a day without experiencing a billion issues

[cinder karma]

I should hand knit new ear pieced for my cheap headset

[little furnace]

Bose is infamous for being an acronym for "buy other sound equipment". This is only for speakers, but maybe headphones are similar?

[prisma flume]

the only issue i have is that they always prefer to try and pair with the last connected device, even if another previously-connected device is nearby, unless you explicitly go into that device's bluetooth and connect

other than that they took years off my life with bluetooth fuckery in windows 7

win11 is fine other than that

[cinder karma]

It's 2027

Why cant I pair device with two device

[little furnace]

Apparently it's mostly home audio that's bad.

[cinder karma]

Or five

Smh

[prisma flume]

they happily pair with two devices at once, just if the previous device is out of range it'll sit there trying for about a minute before going to the next

[hardy jewel]

For this it might just be an issue with the Ultra line but most of us continuously experience the stitching coming undone every 3 or so months meaning we have to keep buying the $40 cushion kits even when they aren't worn down much at all

so, easy to replace, but a money mill

[hushed raven]

Zacktronic games are the only ones I can think of with assembly unless you count the fCPU mod for factorio, I have a large library but I only play like 5 games on rotation XD

[prisma flume]

i've just been buying third-party ear cushions, you simply can't get quality

the head cushion is still fine surprisingly

[hardy jewel]

The head cushions are pretty weirdly resilient

My massive parrot sits on my head all the time and it took him literally piercing it with his beak to leave any damage

[prisma flume]

i've also got a pair of studio audio technica headphones but they're obnoxiously heavy and tight so i never use them

[hardy jewel]

my QC Ultra's have so many horrible connection issues which a lot of others also experience, but bose doesn't really care

but I think I'm learning that it's just the ultras

don't buy the ultras

[prisma flume]

yeah again win7 was an absolutely horrifying experience with the qc35ii

reinstalling bluetooth drivers almost daily. drove me insane

[cinder karma]

Bluetooth on Linux or Windows

I suspect you could knit yourself ear pads

[hardy jewel]

I use both mac and windows and all of them are just awful for me

[prisma flume]

not just average bluetooth drivers. some fuckass legacy toshiba bluetooth stack that only existed as a free trial

[hardy jewel]

had the same issues on linux too

[cinder karma]

I want cotton ones just to have nice not plastic near my head

[prisma flume]

i remember coming across a photo of someone's 'modded' audio technica headphones one time which had a knitted/crocheted set of ear cushions and a masive wifi adapter stuck to the top

[rain apex]

Did u spawn into the world with this software on hand

[prisma flume]

it'd suit you

no i had to dig for it on a webforum through an archive from a sketchy third-party hosting site

again, years off my life

[hardy jewel]

fascinating

[prisma flume]

and yet a few ear cushions later i'm still using the same headphones this very moment and still recommending them

i just had to work out how to completely permanently delete the self-enabling handsfree audio shit phone mic behaviour from win11 forever and always and permanently to regain some sanity

years off my life

my next complaint about win11 is that it has acceleration on the volume controls by default and you have to edit the gd registry to remove it

[devout vault]

atra that fell out of fashion once I bought one

[rain apex]

No it's T1.5 still usable

Zachtronics is the more meta pick now ofc

[prisma flume]

i would never be so linux as to buy a framework laptop

getting a lenovo carbon x1 from work instead 🙂‍↕️

[rain apex]

The reason why im on linux is cus framework wanted 80 dollars for windows 10

[little furnace]

They probably run BSD as well.

[rain apex]

And 0 dollars for linux

[devout vault]

I'm using windows on mine

[prisma flume]

i'll probably try linux on my current lenovo p14s when i get the new laptop

[devout vault]

The trick is to try linux first, then realize it won't work for a thing you need for work, so you switch to windows but MS refuses to let you buy a license key for some reason

[prisma flume]

it struggles sometimes and gets uncomfortably hot when it has to think too much

so maybe mint is an easier workload for it to just run a browser for the tv

[hushed raven]

That sounds very much like me

[prisma flume]

we are all thinkpad p14s

[hushed raven]

You can take the Stardew modder from the thinkpad t14, but you can't take the thinkpad t14 from the Stardew modder

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7577 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1478557267958694010)

[cinder karma]

Smh the reason I'm on Windows is because I'm too lazy to fix the Linux partition

But WHEN I Have Time TM

I will make my opinion on Windows 11 known by switching permanently to Linux

[hushed raven]

I haven't been keeping up with windows shenanigans recently, how's it's fairing?

[rain apex]

I just have more than 1 laptop

Although I haven't turned on my ancient windows laptop in like 1.5yr

I wonder if it's alive

[prisma flume]

mine had a minor meltdown recently when it totally froze and blackscreened in a game with a few programs running

and every so often it just turns off and then fails to install updates on restarting so gets stuck for a few loops

[hushed raven]

The standard in that case it seems XD

[cinder karma]

See my windows work laptop is fine lol

But I dont want Spyware on my personal machine

[prisma flume]

the spyware is disabled simply enough but yeah. a lot of bloat

not something you should even have to deal with

[hushed raven]

(what's classed as spyware in this case? The AI/recall stuff or the telemetry?)

[prisma flume]

gestures broadly*

[lucid sundial]

Recall used to be unencrypted data being sent to Microsoft. I'd say that could have caused severe damage

I don't know if it's still unencrypted, but it was for quite a while, at least a month to my knowledge

[lucid sundial]

If 11, I'd recommend Windows 11 Iot Enterprise LTSC, very little bloat, but still needs to disable telemetry and other options

[lucid sundial]

(Take captions with grain of salt. Though, it does showcase the many issues that 11 has had)

I saw this image that documented all it's issues

Even broke localhost, recovery environment drivers at one point, I think around October of 2025?

Also that AI was introduced into Notepad, causing users who didn't have a Microsoft Account to not be able to use it due to a bug. Also had issues where Notepad did not work at all for a few days. Personally, 11 feels like an experiment, it's too unstable for me to develop on, though it's enterprise version offers more stability.

[rain apex]

Why do u need ai in notepad

[lucid sundial]

Hmm, I mean, we need an agentic OS (Microsoft wants)

[prisma flume]

if anything notepad is one of the better applications to have a built-in text generator/autocomplete

[lucid sundial]

So let's put AI in notepad, an app that hasn't gotten updated since Windows 95

[prisma flume]

why is it in everything else is the real question

[lucid sundial]

I'd say notepad shouldn't, I think there was another app that it could have been on, like Word

[prisma flume]

well notepad was updated for win11 to add tabs and persistent transient files

[lucid sundial]

True, I haven't followed 11 well in it's updates, got a good point there

[prisma flume]

which makes it much, much more comparable to the likes of notepad++ and sublime

[cinder karma]

https://trufflesecurity.com/blog/google-api-keys-werent-secrets-but-then-gemini-changed-the-rules

[prisma flume]

i'm a big fan of the improvements to the terminal, notepad, paint, most of the basic windows applications in win11. but also they've trashed on so much else

[cinder karma]

Next up

Ai minesweeoer

Anyways

[rain apex]

Rmbr when ppl were wondering if kizuna ai was a real ai

[lucid sundial]

What happened to the terminal?

[prisma flume]

like all win11 applications it's no longer simple, efficient, or lightweight, rather it's a terminal emulator which can load up multiple different terminals as tabs in the same window

pretty sure you can also have a WSL instance in the same terminal as say, cmd and git bash

also looks nice now

[lucid sundial]

id say some features were added

oddly, windows 11 isnt good in VMs anymore sadly

its file explorer breaks and doesnt work well

ive been using 11 on VMs for app testing, on multiple machines with Vbox and VMWare, and it never works, one time it did then when I relaunched explorer, the top bar goes away

and the context menu is just a blank element with no text, apparently its a known issue

[pliant snow]

lol

[prisma flume]

. 🔥🔥
🔥 🔥🔥

[rain apex]

. 🔥🔥
🔥 🔥🔥🔥
. 🔥🔥

[devout vault]

What is modular supposed to mean for an OS

Specifically one like windows

Seems counterproductive to being an easy choice for the average person

And you know the stuff we want to be modular is gonna be the stuff you can’t take out

Instead, they’ll just sell you the core parts 🙃

Wait it's also subscription based????

Heck no

transparent glass elements and a floating taskbar
The thing that Macs have? That thing that I have always considered strictly worse than a normal taskbar? That floating taskbar? yes I'm a "no stacking applications stacking into a single icon, and show window titles with them too" enthusiast, why did you ask?

I'm also laughing that after the TPM stuff from windows 11, MS just decided

https://tenor.com/view/ill-fucking-do-it-again-ill-do-it-again-again-goofy-gif-21090281

[cinder karma]

Fast forward to 2028. Stardew 1.8 might be dropping any time now. Casey has an Azure server to build monogame artifacts so she doesnt have to use Windows 12

[devout vault]

We're on an old version of MG, I doubt that'll be an issue

I'm even using VS2022 on my desktop still

Also why would I say "man, I sure hate all of MS's decisions lately. Let me go give them money in their cloud service!" 😛

[cinder karma]

Tbh I also wouldn't know if Stardew 1.7 is 2027 or 2030 lol

Gitlab runner?

[devout vault]

I think it already builds monogame technically

Since we have our custom fork

[cinder karma]

I meant more packing the data

The xnbs

[devout vault]

ohhhhh

I mean that works on windows fine

...oh you mean because I switch to linux

[cinder karma]

OH for the love of goddd 3M I'm not a small biotechnology company

[devout vault]

So, our gitlab runner builds that too. The problem is that it takes ages since it builds it all from scratch, in the way that runners tend to do

In theory one could probably set up some sort of distributed building thing like unreal engine has?

[cinder karma]

...I understand chromatography more than I understand unreal engine

[devout vault]

At that point though, it'd probably be easier to just figure out why it fails on linux, since it's an organically grown heap of tech debt that got various parts stuck together and added on over time 😛

[cinder karma]

Which may be why 3M thinks I'm in the market for their new chromatography system

Anyways

I'm about to fall asleep to Practical Engieering teaching me about earthquakes

[devout vault]

The content can build on linux, we just gotta figure out where the different compat build projects and such are hooked up wrong.

And perhaps most importantly, not use the CI script locally for rebuilding content

[cinder karma]

And wondering if I should buy the dip

I'm legitimately surprised y'all dont have partial or file by file builds

[devout vault]

(Yes really. That was easiest way to do it. I ended up adding some detection for dirty file changes and such to only call that script when needed, though)

It already will only build the ones that need building, but it still checks each one to make sure

Last day of december is when I said "I'm so tired of iterating on data models and manually running the full build script, I gotta fix this"

[devout vault]

In other "new(?) version of popular thing" news.

New D&D stuff is officially called 5.5e on D&D Beyond now.
https://dndbeyond-support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/sections/46714233564564-5-5e-Change-FAQs

[worn remnant]

#making-mods-general for on-topic

[median canyon]

oh okok mb

[prisma flume]

i could imagine that in some ways this is similar to how win11 already operates, and how it has operated for a long time, with home/pro/enterprise editions

for example, home edition can't use remote desktop connection

you're essentially buying the right to use rdc when you pay for a pro license

but an OS version (presumably delivered as an 'update' as they did for win11) requiring a discrete hardware NPU is insanity after the win11 cryptography chip debacle

[steel kraken]

My understanding of it is less on different tiers and trying to move more of the OS into components as they can be updated quicker and more easily than the core OS itself.

And for usecases like the Xbox game mode, more certainty on what can be safely turned off to improve performance

[prisma flume]

that also seems more like a refinement of what win11 is already doing

there's already a separate 'ai components' view

[steel kraken]

Windows has had it in some capacity for as long as I've used windows.

Optional components were a part of winxp and win me

[prisma flume]

yeah, given both system components and tiered licenses are both already established in windows i'm not sure what the modular comment is about

[steel kraken]

I think its mainly to actually use it more

considering the windows feature gui for system components is still win vista / win 7 themed, and only developer facing features have been put in it in the last decade+

WSL, HyperV and sandbox being the main ones, though HyperV isn't new

[frosty echo]

Maybe something like Windows 10 was meant to be the "last version of Windows" https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-version-of-windows, and we know how well that worked.

[little furnace]

What is Minesweeper and how do you know about it?

[safe dragon]

the last version to introduce improvements

[long verge]

https://giphy.com/gifs/theoffice-the-office-tv-golden-ticket-dXFKDUolyLLi8gq6Cl

[safe dragon]

can't wait till Californian law somehow ends up with me having to give windows my ID card

[long verge]

Ah yes, the californian law banning Linux

[safe dragon]

yup

[long verge]

It amuse me how politicians have thousands of professional to ask their opinion but rather just write shitty law

[safe dragon]

do we know whether this also applies to server operating systems? Does my IT manager have to hand out his ID to create a new Debian instance

ok ignoring that California only requires you to do something to ask for their age and make that information available to apps

[long verge]

Does they have to shut down the internet because the router is underage ?

[hushed raven]

...is this not a joke?

[safe dragon]

no

[steel kraken]

tbh I trust google/apple/windows to have the id and then have system APIs for age verification / parental controls and stuff that apps can consume

[safe dragon]

California will soon require all operating systems to do age verification and provide an API for any application to request that age

[hushed raven]

wow, I am both amazed and dearly concerned XD

[steel kraken]

I trust the OS players to be responsible instead of every social media app doing it themselves

[long verge]

Having an OS API is smarter than allowing thousands of third-party BUT it should remains optionnal to provide ID to the API

[safe dragon]

idk why seemingly the entire western world is all simultaneously wanting to introduce legislation to track our ages in anything and everything

[steel kraken]

like many things it just takes one country to do it and others go "yes that"

[long verge]

mass surveillance to protect children !!

[safe dragon]

the EU is working on its own thing rn

[hushed raven]

Censorship and propaganda and most likely control

[safe dragon]

but how does the EU fit into that...

[long verge]

Same EU that wanted chat control

[safe dragon]

[long verge]

Yeah just take a look at what's happening in the UK

these mf banned wikipedia like hello

[steel kraken]

I do find it funny that discord is more regulated regarding age verification than actual adult entertainment websites

[hushed raven]

Ye it's bad here XD so many times I've been sniped from wiki

[long verge]

I guess jorjor well was right

[safe dragon]

fun stuff...

at least the Netherlands specifically tends to be against these things

but that doesn't really help that much

[cinder karma]

Good morning everyone

I just want to say

Microslop is a great term

[marble jewel]

X times faster tests... But what if X = 0.5

[safe dragon]

great now my tests that are 95% database performance dependent will run 5 times faster

I assume this is a TUnit video

oh it has nothing to do with the testing framework

ah it's the good old "we took something that used to use reflection and made it use source generators instead"

my usage of mocks is pretty minimal thankfully

[marble jewel]

But what about your coverage? /j

[safe dragon]

at least 3

3 coverage

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

Need at least, like... 5....

[safe dragon]

tbh like 90% of all my tests rn are actually testing database procedures because the database doesn't have them itself

[marble jewel]

What is this? Coverage for ants?

[safe dragon]

soz I will do test coverage for every endpoint even though they do nothing except call other services that are actually tested

integration tests are lame anyway

[hushed raven]

I have come to the realisation that a discord bot cannot change my nickname if I'm the server owner, I am devastated, truly

[safe dragon]

and you're not allowed to make a bot the server owner either

rough

[lethal walrus]

i think it can sometimes if the owner leaves

[safe dragon]

you need a dummy account to serve as the owner

[lethal walrus]

but its not intentional at all

[hushed raven]

Hmm it's tempting to make a dummy account, it does also give me partial plausability to hide away like I seem to often do XD

[devout vault]

Clearly you just need to hack discord and allow your bot specifically to rename the server owner on just that server

[hushed raven]

Hmm I think I have enough time in my wednesday to do that? it's a pretty busy day but shouldn't be too demanding

transferring ownership worked! ty for the suggestion, I didn't think of having a dummy account