programmers-off-topic

[safe dragon]

surely monogame and fna aren't using SDL3 yet...

[twilit fern]

i'm trying to query a json format word dictionary with jq (to create anki decks), and got pretty far with LLM help, but i can't quite solve this issue with it. so, i can query a word and get the definitions and other stuff fine (=in a format i should be able to process later on), e.g. the results for 良い in the picture. the problem is how to merge multiple matches for a single query together, so i can later pass the query word and all the matching values as two strings to a python script that makes the anki cards? the current format isn't strictly important, but the different values probably should stay on their own lines for easy processing. (there's a additional comma on line 9 in the picture, but that doesn't need to be in the end result, probably better if it's not)

  jq --arg q "$word" '
    .[]
    | select(.[0] == $q)
    | .[0],
     ([.[1]] + .[5])
  ' files

i know basically nothing about json processing so i'm open to any suggestions

[dusty pollen]

oh I love jq. where did the 1 and 5 indexes come from here though? because either the llm gave you something wrong or I’m misunderstanding the requirement

[twilit fern]

@dusty pollen the dictionary is in multiple json files formatted like this and what the llm gave seem to match the correct values (basically how the word is pronounced and the definition -- not really but doesn't really matter here)

not sure if i explained it very well, but please ask if something's unclear

[dusty pollen]

oh I think I kind of see, and there can be multiple entries per word?

[twilit fern]

yep

and it would be best if you'd get all the entries attached to the word, since there's no way to tell which one is relevant

[runic kraken]

My language will technically let you mutate things, but it will be cursed

// syntax may change, idk
// import the RealWorld (RW) type
import Unsafety.RW

ref! stupid_ref = RW.create_ref! 0

fn pure_but_lying (n: Int) -> Int = 
  let r' = RW.get_ref! stupid_ref in
  let _  = RW.set_ref! stupid_ref 5 in
  let _  = RW.set_ref! stupid_ref (RW.extract_value! r' + 1) in
  let r''= RW.extract_value! (RW.get_ref! stupid_ref) in
  let _  = RW.perform_io! (RW.lift (println $ "stupid ref: " ++ r'') in
  0

pure_but_lying 5 

// the proper way btw
fn proper_state() -> StateT[IO, Int, Unit] = !{
    put 0
    stupid <- get
    lift . println $ "stupid: " ++ (show stupid)
    pure ()
}

[devout vault]

What weird timing, I just poked at jq yesterday. Or rather, something old that I used jq for

[runic kraken]

wdym jq

[devout vault]

The messages right above yours

[dusty pollen]

I think to put everything from the select in an array and then use a join, so

jq … '
[.[] | select(…)
| .[0], ([.[1]] + .[5])] | join(“\n”)

maybe? but I’m on mobile lmao

[devout vault]

The extent of my jq usage was "extract a single entry from a top level array, which I would then pipe into grep", so that looks spooky

@crystal wren Look, more jq!

-# also it mildly amuses me that to ping you specifically I can just do @lord and tab complete

[twilit fern]

thanks, irocendar, i'll have to wait until tomorrow, but i'll test it. also thank you Casey for the moral support

[devout vault]

it's all I'm good for
-# runs away before atra or others get onto me for being self-deprecating

[safe dragon]

my only knowledge on jq is that the last time it came up I had to look it up cause I'd never heard of it in my life

and that I haven't seen it anywhere in between these two events

[devout vault]

Every line of jq I've ever done

        echo "ModVersion=$(cat mod/$MOD_PROJECT_FOLDER/manifest.json | strip-json-comments | jq --raw-output '.Version')" >> $GITHUB_ENV
        echo "ModSemiUniqueId=$(cat mod/$MOD_PROJECT_FOLDER/manifest.json | strip-json-comments | jq --raw-output '.UniqueID[(.UniqueID | index(".") + 1):]')" >> $GITHUB_ENV
        echo "ModName=$(cat mod/$MOD_PROJECT_FOLDER/manifest.json | strip-json-comments | jq --raw-output '.Name')" >> $GITHUB_ENV
        echo "ModNexusId=$(cat mod/$MOD_PROJECT_FOLDER/manifest.json | strip-json-comments | jq --raw-output '.UpdateKeys[] | select(startswith("Nexus:"))' | grep -P -o '[0-9]+')" >> $GITHUB_ENV

[safe dragon]

I can see the potential use of this

I'd obviously much prefer to just use C# instead

[devout vault]

Well yeah

It's installed by default on github actions though

(strip-json-comments however is not)

(and comments make jq unhappy)

[safe dragon]

oh that's fun

[crystal wren]

Reminder that echo "Console.WriteLine(\"Test?\");" | dotnet run - technically is a thing.

[dusty pollen]

I love jq so much

there’s also xq and yq

[devout vault]

xq = xml?

[cinder karma]

Ngl if python is in the mix why not just use 🐍

[devout vault]

And I assume yq = yaml

[crystal wren]

Wait, xq? XML and YAML?

[dusty pollen]

correct on both!

[crystal wren]

That... could replace Powershell for my build workflows potentially.

[devout vault]

ew

You expect me to use a language that uses indentation based flow control?

The nerve of you to suggest such a thing

[safe dragon]

it's ok python does support semicolons

Just put it all on 1 line

[cinder karma]

I only suggest it because 🐍 already in room

Also tbh I dont like using jq and related bs if can be avoid

[cinder karma]

Thanks I hate this

[pliant snow]

someone give me the highlights of jq, I see people praise it but idk what they use it for

[devout vault]

steal data from your local json

-# despite it being retired post-SDV-1.6 oops too on-topic

[dusty pollen]

sometimes your woeful crimes require json parsing

[pliant snow]

is that its main feature then, shell json parsing?

[safe dragon]

does it have other features

[pliant snow]

idk that's my question

[dusty pollen]

yup

shell json parsing

I don’t think it really does anything beyond that. maybe some very light maths?

[safe dragon]

imma write a game engine in jq then

[dusty pollen]

I think the wonderful thing about jq is its mysterious and somewhat arcane syntax

[safe dragon]

I feel like it's a requirement for shell command tooling

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

We have excel ray tracing, so why not

[safe dragon]

we have an unspoken rule that shell scripting requires arcane syntax

[hushed raven]

I mean, get low enough but not too low and you get quite a few languages fitting for the arcane

[safe dragon]

I think we'd have to really work on what "game engine" means to get this to be real...

[devout vault]

Nothing literally arcane though. Where's my literal real life magic 😔

[hushed raven]

if it runs a game, it's a game engine, playing cards are a game engine

[devout vault]

People have made compile-time tetris with C++ templates, I think we can be loose with the definition

(I think it's tetris that I vaguely recall?)

[dusty pollen]

people have built type-verifying-time games in haskell (slight lie. they built solvers for certain game-related logical puzzles like the four queens problem)

[devout vault]

I will paypal one (1) dollar to whoever makes me a game in jq

Only the first person to redeem gets it. Limited quantity 😛

[hushed raven]

(Isn't the 4 queens problem really easily solvable? or am I misunderstanding the logic behind it?)

oxoo
ooox
xooo
ooxo

Where X are queens?

[dusty pollen]

I cannot for the life of me remember ngl

[devout vault]

I've never even heard of this problem to be honest

For all I know the problem is that we only have 4 queens and need more

Like, queens as in monarchs. Not chess (which I'm guessing based on Atlas's message is the actual context)

[hushed raven]

Google says it's placing 4 queens on a 4x4 chessboard so that no queen can capture another, tbf I have heard of a larger version with a standard chessboard, the 4 queen problem is a new one to me

[dusty pollen]

it is indeed this simple, the question is apparently just making a computer do it. in this case, it was done entirely in the guaranteed constant time type consistency check of the compiler…

[hushed raven]

Ohhh gotcha okay, I had the right idea just the wrong medium XD

[devout vault]

That sounds like the sort of problem that has a fixed set of solutions

And not a large amount

[hushed raven]

it has 2 solutions I believe, both with 4 way rotational symmetry and both solutions are mirrored versions of them selves, coincidentally also the best way to pack sugarcane in minecraft for optimal space efficiency

[devout vault]

Oh, so what you're saying is I already know the solution

I really should play some MC again at some point

[hushed raven]

yep, any amount of minecraft watching has probably revealed the answer to it XD

[devout vault]

Excuse me?

I played MC long before I watched it any 😛

[hushed raven]

there is a 3D version of it, with direct neighbours, I figured it out once, and then never forgot

[hushed raven]

Oh ye but if someones played minecraft they almost certainly has figured out the answer XD

[devout vault]

Ah, so the amethyst version

[hushed raven]

That is a much easier way of remembering it, I should've probably used that as the annalogy XD

[devout vault]

If only I didn't struggle to play things without actively doing something with others

[hushed raven]

code an AI system to join you, it may even be more useful than people XD

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

I'm 98% certain it'd need to be a real person to actually work

[hushed raven]

I would offer to play but I am very engrossed in factorio again recently XD

[dusty pollen]

I’d offer to play but I’m willing to commit 5 minutes total on my ipad

[hushed raven]

That's such a long play session, how do you cope! XD

[crystal wren]

I should see what's happened to my MA supremum farm...

[dusty pollen]

it’s like ten percent of my lifetime minecraft playtime!

[hushed raven]

I think it's loaded when ever I'm online so you probably have a lot on hand XD

[dusty pollen]

I was trying to think if I’m being facetious and tbh I genuinely don’t think it would have been longer than an hour or two

[fleet wren]

with or without space

[marble jewel]

I had to login to the server to prevent the self-destruct sequence from activating due to inactivity /j?

[hushed raven]

With of course, still haven't tackled Gleba
-# I do very much dislike gleba...

[dusty pollen]

I should try factorio

[fleet wren]

I hated Gleba, until I figured it out and I actually like it nos
it does need work though; the farms really need buffs

[hushed raven]

I love that you can take two paths to get stuff done, you can wait for a very long time, or you can build, and totally over build but at least you have more than enough XD

[devout vault]

Factorio is another game I want to play but haven’t

I even have it (though not the DLC)

[hushed raven]

The farms are actaully my favorite part of gleba, the bacteria for resources though I do not like (I also love the spoilage mechanic a LOT)

[marble jewel]

Should I?

[cobalt shore]

Maybe I should get back into Oxygen Not Included

[hushed raven]

I wholy suggest playing the base game before adding space age, you will defo be able to tell if you like it or not, it's like marmite

[fleet wren]

tbh my dislike of the farms is mostly all down to my spawns being atrocious

[devout vault]

That would run into the same problem as the MC server - I need people to actively be online and interacting with, and preferably at a specific time and/or with VC 😛

[hushed raven]

Deal, I think I have like a month left on my factorio quota XD

[marble jewel]

Server will have a scheduled uptime, but otherwise be in suspended status the rest of the time

[cinder karma]

Eight queens

[fleet wren]

ngl the worst part of Space Age is that none of the big overhauls work with it (yet/ever)

[cinder karma]

Yes

[devout vault]

Can’t wait for people to say that about stardew3d

[marble jewel]

Only if you join

[hushed raven]

Ye I also have never had good spawns, I don't think I've ever settled in the starting area of the new planets

[fleet wren]

but I can't imagine going back to a non-Space Age world (not even for Space Exploration)

[devout vault]

(Not that space age is a mod)

[cinder karma]

I hear i should try factory game but I'm very lazy

[cyan shadow]

Factorio scares me

[devout vault]

• Steam embargo

[cinder karma]

Next tapeout is June

[cyan shadow]

I don't think my adhd brain can handle the sheer scale of the shenanigans

[cinder karma]

I'm looking at crunch until then

[hushed raven]

Most of them do! or have ports available, many even work with just changing the version number to 2.0, krastorio2, and 248k defo work (248k is a unofficial port though), there's also the industrial revolution one, and enough planets to make the system claustrophobic

[cinder karma]

Crunch is roughly defined for us as "basically all hours not used for sleep or staying alive (minimally) is work"

[cyan shadow]

Crunch for three months sounds like hell

[devout vault]

technically didn’t specify June of this year

[cyan shadow]

I'm going with the best case scenario here!

[hushed raven]

(when I say "enough planets" I mean I have like less than 1/5th of the planet mods available, the usual amount is 5/6)

[fleet wren]

work with 2.0 != have integration with space age
and yeah I know space age is basically its own overhaul on top, and I'm basically asking for overhauls that was developed for 7+ years with the vanilla tech tree to work with another massive overhaul

[cyan shadow]

Atlas what on earth

[devout vault]

No that very clearly has much NOT on earth

[hushed raven]

What on space I think you'll find XD

[cyan shadow]

What in the fresh fuck*

[fleet wren]

and extra standalone planets don't excite me compared to a full package like Krastorio 2/AngelBob/IR3/Nullius/Pynanodon

[cyan shadow]

I stand corrected

[hushed raven]

There's also to smaller systems I have installed currently XD

[fleet wren]

(yes, I tried all of them, and finished most of them; that's how deep I am)

[cyan shadow]

Also hello hello I hope you've got some sun on your side of the Channel too

I went out and basked

[hushed raven]

Pyano is a hell I wish to never attempt again, not matter how much I like factory induced pain XD

[cyan shadow]

19 degrees! It snowed last week and now it's 19 degrees!

[hushed raven]

hello! We have no sun, it is dreary and gloomy, the tipical british weather yanno XD

[cyan shadow]

Nooooooo

[hushed raven]

it has made the graveyard near me very spooky with the fog we currently have though, lovely ambience XD

[cyan shadow]

Oooooo that does sound fun

Oh to be a ghoul warbling in the fog

[devout vault]

Time to make your own with everything you learned

[devout vault]

.wolfram 19c in f

[hushed raven]

a fog-bound warbling ghoul is the best way to be XD

[heavy dagger]

66.2 °F (degrees Fahrenheit)

[fleet wren]

(here's my Space Exploration base I posted on Reddit years ago if you're interested)

[devout vault]

Oh that’s about what it is here

[cyan shadow]

Very pleasant spring weather is what it is

[devout vault]

Very comfy outside

[cyan shadow]

Heavenly

[devout vault]

If only I wasn’t allergic to the concept of touching grass

[cyan shadow]

This is my comfy range weather wise tbh

Once it crosses 25 I'm dead

[hushed raven]

That is so much smaller than what I made.. It probably also produces more than I made XD

[cobalt shore]

A winter wraith drifting in 19f winds, disappearing in a flurry of snow

[devout vault]

.wolfram 25c in f

[heavy dagger]

77 °F (degrees Fahrenheit)

[hushed raven]

did you go standard end or mathematical plotting end for SE?

[devout vault]

Yeah fair

[safe dragon]

I went out with my winter jacket today and it was a bad idea

[fleet wren]

see I have crumbs for a magic/alchemy-inspired overhaul that focuses on complex interdependent transmutation chains, but that'd require like a full time job for the next 4 years + I already have SDV modding

[cyan shadow]

For why

[devout vault]

(I’m very close to memorizing the “close enough” mental shortcut for c->f, but I keep forgetting it until after I do the conversion)

[cyan shadow]

Did you not check the weather first

[fleet wren]

standard end, not that deep

[safe dragon]

idk it said 13C it didn't sound that warm

[devout vault]

something something opus magnum

[hushed raven]

I also tried to make one sort of similar to Minecrafts Eqivelent Exchange, I gave up bc it took too much time and I didn't really know lua at that point, so now I just make very customizable utility mods XD

[devout vault]

Is that about 60?

[cyan shadow]

That's when I doff the winter jacket and grab my fall coat

[devout vault]

.wolfram 13c in f

[heavy dagger]

55.4 °F (degrees Fahrenheit)

[cyan shadow]

Bit below

[devout vault]

Dang, I overcorrected in the wrong direction.

[cobalt shore]

I had to wade through snow up to mid-thigh and some of it got in my socks bc I forgot to tuck my sweatpants in TT Also wish I'd worn leggings underneath it

.wolfram 19f in c

[heavy dagger]

-7.222 °C (degrees Celsius)

[hushed raven]

13 is a comfortable temp, bit warm but not unbearable

[fleet wren]

sounds nice; what did you make
(I did make one factorio mod, but it's solely to fix this one annoying issue I had in Industrial Revolution 2)

[cobalt shore]

.wolfram 8f in c

[heavy dagger]

-13.33 °C (degrees Celsius)

[hushed raven]

-7C is a much more prefered temp for me

[cobalt shore]

it's gonna get -13c tonight that's our low temp TT

[devout vault]

(The trick for “close enough” is “tempC * 2 + 32 = tempF ”)

[hushed raven]

currently it just changes some mods to make them fit better along with adding circuit conditions to a specfic mods loads to I could auto set filters with combinators, nothing major but it's very useful XD

[devout vault]

(It’s easy since C starts at 0)

[cyan shadow]

(That is a lot more convenient than the fuckass formula they taught us in physics class back in middle school)

[safe dragon]

C definitely doesn't start at 0...

[fleet wren]

found it:
https://mods.factorio.com/mod/ir2-arc-furnace-module?from=search
700 UDLs, I truly did numbers

[devout vault]

I only came up with recently after getting annoyed with having to do conversions here 😛

[hushed raven]

the only part of C to F I remember is -40 is the same in both

[cyan shadow]

C does not start at 0

[safe dragon]

C starts at -273 ish...

if I remember right

[cyan shadow]

-273 on the dot iirc

[devout vault]

You know what I mean

[hushed raven]

I use so many modules, this would've defo been needed if I played IR2 XD

[devout vault]

I’m on phone so typing verbose versions is harder 😛

[safe dragon]

-273.15

[cyan shadow]

Something something Kelvin conversions

The radiator is cold on purpose for the first time in months let's go

[hushed raven]

Apparently I did have two other mods released on the factorio mod portal, neither of which are useful nor finished XD

[safe dragon]

yeah my house warmer than the thermostat is set to for the first time this year

all it took was 1 day with some true proper sunlight

[devout vault]

I have a mod for stellaris that's just a "tweaks" mod, and the description does not say anything about what it does

And is incredibly out of date

[hushed raven]

I can't wait to get sunlight again so I can photosynthesis, I have been waiting for far to long to get my chloraphil flowing

[safe dragon]

it tweaks

[devout vault]

I think one of the things I did was allow psionics/shroud stuff even for materialists

[fleet wren]

stellaris mentioned
I made some mods for it too, which I've now all abandoned

[devout vault]

Oh that doesn't have the description

Shoutout to 76561197970535087

[hushed raven]

They removed the jester award! I can't give you yet another jester! my plans have been foiled

[devout vault]

They did indeed

[long verge]

They removed it because of the shit ton of troll/ragebait guide and post farming clown awards for steam point

Which is a great thing

[hushed raven]

I was given a jester award once and I was the most offended I have ever been XD

[devout vault]

arguably they could've kept it and just removed the giving steam points thing

[devout vault]

This is apparently the only workshop item I have.

I was pretty sure I had tmodloader ones too, but maybe those were on the pre-workshop platform

[fleet wren]

all this and you still can't buy games with steam points

[devout vault]

I doubt they ever will alllow that

What with how many some people have

[hushed raven]

but you can buy cool cosmetics that do a grand total of nothing in the slightest

[long verge]

But you wouldn't be able to reward great workshop post this way :(

[devout vault]

Well the new wave of awards don't give steam points anyways

Honestly I do want one specific type of cosmetic more on steam.

Why have they never made more keyboards

[hushed raven]

Yes! I desperately want a truly grayscale keyboard, or a more gothic one at least, it's the one thing I'm missing

[devout vault]

also more cosmetics of these two in general, but I know that's not happening

[long verge]

Cutest steam mascot ever

especially the cat

[fleet wren]

she made enough money to retire in her 20s we should be happy for her

yes this is cope

[hushed raven]

The material design icons are a yoba send but I hate having to clone the entire repo that also has fonts and a bunch of other things I don't need, over 4 GB is such a pain for just icons, I'm not made of disk space XD

Oh sorry not 4GB, 13.1 GB, not that much of a difference XD

[little furnace]

You can do a partial clone.

[prisma flume]

smh people will buy anything with an anime girl and cat ears

excuse me partial clone??

[devout vault]

I’ll accept more stuff of just the cat

[little furnace]

I bought the cat ears for myself.

A partial clone (or whatever it's called) only clones the subdirectory.

[twilit fern]

  jq --arg q "$word" '
    [.[]
    | select(.[0] == $q)
    | .[0],
     ([.[1]] + .[5])] | join("\n")
  ' files

unfortunately results in an error string ("良い\n") and array (["いい","...) cannot be added. i tried my luck again with the LLM and it only seems to give increasingly complex solutions that end with the same result. i'm beginning to think this isn't actually simple. maybe it would be easier to accept the problem and use python to merge the results or something, i don't know. or do it with python from the start

one of the LLM solutions did gave an output that doesn't seem too bad to process with python regex line by line (but maybe i'll be proven wrong)

[cinder karma]

Python has the json5 library

Which is well understood by the llms

[twilit fern]

hmm

[hushed raven]

How? I have tried looking for a way but I haven't found it at all

[cinder karma]

Get up to speed with partial clone and shallow clone - The GitHub Blog https://share.google/7IjRB0bZBfAytr7jo

Try the treeless clone

[hushed raven]

Brilliant, Ty! I had no idea that existed!

[cinder karma]

Neither did I

I just googled "shallow checkout git"

And reviewed the options

[runic kraken]

It's kinda cursed that in every language I accidentally converge on implementing monads because they're just so intuitive 🫠

[hushed raven]

it's your programmers carcinisation

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #7484 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1476613029196992677)

[hushed raven]

Oh no my knowledge of convergent evolution is preserved forever, people will actually start to think I'm smart, I'm doomed!

[rain apex]

Crab mentioned

[devout vault]

I mean, people seem to think I'm actually competent still, so not much you can do about that Atlas 😛

[safe dragon]

hi I heard ur smart can u help me? My printer won't print

[hushed raven]

Ahhh that's a simple fix

burn it with fire

[safe dragon]

got it

the library assistant yelled at me

[devout vault]

hey look, it's this meme again

[hushed raven]

Printers are the skynet of yesterday, they will rise up against us

Oh wow that was timing and a half XD

[safe dragon]

AI printers

[runic kraken]

Eh it's the side effect of having aphantasia and being physically unable to write imperative code without losing track of the variables and side effects

I'd rather write 200+ lines of code than deal with public int counter = 0; counter++;

Which sounds insane but it's a future tax as those 2 variables balloon in 10, then 20, then 500

[safe dragon]

skill issue, just see images

(I can say this cause I have aphantasia too)

[runic kraken]

I taught myself Scala so I have a JVM language if I need that is not pure dogwater OOP like Java and along with Typelevel Cats/Cats-Effect I never have to touch a variable

[hushed raven]

I don't have aphantasia (not to brag but hyperphantasia over here ) but I do entirely forget variables constantly, if they don't exist in on screen, they don't exist at all XD

[dusty pollen]

no.

[safe dragon]

send a natural language prompt to your printer and it will print the result!!

[devout vault]

what's hyperphantasia

[dusty pollen]

no.

blocked muted banned begone

[devout vault]

Iro you can't abuse your mod powers like that

[safe dragon]

smh apple boi

[runic kraken]

Or if I do write Java or C#, I call my functions VERY clear names like having a very simple, one responsibility function that is like ModifyAccountStatus and calling that function whenever I need to modify the account status, so it's sort of trackable. I've always done this

[devout vault]

Especially since you're just an apple boi

[dusty pollen]

no I meant banned from discord

[safe dragon]

damn

[dusty pollen]

this should be reportable

[hushed raven]

it's the ability to see extremly clear images in your minds eye, the complete opposite of aphantasia

[safe dragon]

this server already banned me from discord once before

"hey can you send this message we want to check if discord's automod catches it"

oh it did

[devout vault]

How does that differ from "neither", I guess is what I mean

[dusty pollen]

I’m aware had to get a warning from dh about that when we were checking automod

[devout vault]

Like, is it like actually seeing something if you imagine it?

[devout vault]

oh I thought you were gonna say nukebox

[dusty pollen]

it’s seeing something with as much detail as you would if you actually saw it afaik

[hushed raven]

I've been had by the scunthorpe problem a few times with discord, it seems to be fixed so far with the automod

[safe dragon]

I survived nukebox

[runic kraken]

Does that make you good at art I wonder

[devout vault]

same

[runic kraken]

I enjoy it but only because it's the ultimate challenge for me

[dusty pollen]

no atlas and casey, crumble’s entire discord account got banned

[safe dragon]

yeah

I was locked out of my account due to suspicious behavior

[hushed raven]

ye pretty much, regular phantasia is being able to "see" a rough image, but hyperphantasia is the ability to "see" something as if it was actually infront of you

[hushed raven]

Not in the slightest XD

[devout vault]

Yeah I remember hearing about that now. But my first thought was "nukebox?"

[runic kraken]

If I could just hallucinate an image I don't think I would care about art because I don't experience emotions for "pretty pictures". So I think I enjoy it purely because it's such a challenge

[devout vault]

want

[hushed raven]

Oh that's a true ban gotcha XD

[devout vault]

I've gotten close to that when I'm getting close to falling asleep, but if I focus on the image too much it disappears

[hushed raven]

I mostly use it when planning something out, like when I worked in a garage (car repair shop) it was extreamly useful for seeing what parts I needed to take off to get to something

[safe dragon]

aphantasia is poorly understood as it currently stands

cause people aphantasia aren't necessarily any worse in image recognition, reading maps or even describing 3d spaces

and we don't understand how

[devout vault]

My imagination feels like the "foveated rendering" stuff for VR games.

The small area I'm most focused on has more detail, but it gets fuzzier as it goes out

(this also applies to my dreams)

[hushed raven]

phantasia in general is poorly understood, like most things in the brain it's quite a hard one to figure out

it's a very interesting subject I am far from smart enough to understand XD

[runic kraken]

I mean I basically use mental category theory quite literally to deal with the world, idk how you functional maybe it's different

[hushed raven]

Hmm yes that's why I have do not disturb, why are you disturbing me about a notif with another notif

[safe dragon]

I mean I don't understand how people think without an inner dialogue but literally every human does it cause we don't start out as a baby with linguistic skills

no idea how tho

[runic kraken]

I don't think, I synthesize

Mental category theory + auto complete

[safe dragon]

I basically endlessly talk to myself in my head

[runic kraken]

I'm a total aphant

[devout vault]

My brain never stops

If I'm not thinking, I'm unconscious

[safe dragon]

no actual audio of course it's more... the concept and cadence of speech

[dusty pollen]

I have like, a split internal monologue? and I used to think that was just normal for bilingual people

[devout vault]

(or there's music or something going on nearby and my brain is too nosy to not try and pay attention to that)

[runic kraken]

I have no self and I have no normal thought process

[dusty pollen]

where I have an internal monologue but I can also tell I can think without it

[runic kraken]

It's just mapping A => B and getting the most likely result

[safe dragon]

I use whatever language is relevant in my current situation

[dusty pollen]

I do that too, I just mean I thought that was why I could also notice the part of my thinking that didn’t have a monologue, but then I found out it’s not

[devout vault]

...is that not normal?

I definitely have background thought processes at times, or times I use something along the lines of a scene graph than words, etc.

[dusty pollen]

apparently not?

others I’ve spoken to don’t relate

[fleet wren]

yeah it seems like the only generally agreed benefit of phantasia the ability to imagine yourself swinging a dope sword while walking
not that I do it often

[dusty pollen]

but yes 100% I’m what you described

[devout vault]

I wonder how much of that is not having it, or not noticing

[safe dragon]

I can definitely think things without words. Some things can't be described through words that easily

I need words when reasoning through something

[devout vault]

what about a little dude running alongside the obstacles on the side of the road with your car when riding along with somebody?

[dusty pollen]

the question is if there’s even a difference when we’re talking about psychology

[runic kraken]

My "thinking" is basically this, and it's near instaneous. There's no narrative, no thought process. Just A => B for condition C

[safe dragon]

joke is on you. I still did this

I mean there was no guy but I kinda "felt" the movement

[devout vault]

I've noticed that to some extent it falls under different "types" of thought processes.

Like, when I was learning how to drive it took 100% focus, but nowadays it falls under what I personally call "intuitive thinking" - I don't need to actively think about what's going on 90% of the time, I'm just ready for the thinky-brain to take over when something unusual happens. Meanwhile, my normal ADHD tangent-of-tangent-of-tangent chain is going the entire time

[dusty pollen]

I have like, less detailed visual images than most people I think? but not true aphantasia and I can focus and make a very small area more details. and this is yet another thing I thought was normal and was told isn’t

[devout vault]

Maybe instinctual, not intuitive

[safe dragon]

in general I can kinda "feel" movement through space in my head. Like I can kinda play through a walk around the neighborhood in my head like a funky movement vector

[devout vault]

I thought that was how it is normally

[dusty pollen]

I think technically intuitive is more correct

[devout vault]

same

[devout vault]

Hmm.

[dusty pollen]

so did I! but I asked my parents and they see more than coloured blobs which they know are xyz

[runic kraken]

I'm probably the "least human" human here in terms of how my brain apparently works

[devout vault]

There's a reason I compared mine to foveated rendering

[devout vault]

Everyone is different, doesn't make you less human. Just means there's a higher proportion of people here with thought processes that are dissimilar to yours

[safe dragon]

unless u think in 4D space then I don't trust it

interdimensional being

[runic kraken]

I literally think in mental category theory

[little furnace]

Does that mean you don't really have an identity? Like, something you identify as?

[cursive sigil]

@rain apex the king on his throne

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7487 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1476616618543943804)

[runic kraken]

Correct I am 99% stateless

I do something like watch a movie, I sleep, and the next day all unimportant information is immediately wiped

Having a sense of self is pointless when your memory gets wiped in 24 hours for most things

[rain apex]

Our lord

[cyan shadow]

we bow before he

[runic kraken]

No I do not have amnesia, I can remember things. But only important things, and things I care to remember

It's just a lack and inability to form episodic memories

[cinder karma]

Happy Stardew anniversary!

[hushed raven]

Stardiversary!

[devout vault]

I think that's the case for basically everybody after a certain point.

[devout vault]

Who's excited for the 10th anniversary video?

[cyan shadow]

Me with law school
I could not tell you a damn thing about administrative law beyond Article 12 of the Indian constitution, and not a peep about the actual contents of said article

[cinder karma]

I'm excited for the concert

[cyan shadow]

the concert is at 2am for me

I'm probably gonna pass the fuck out after submitting the phd proposal

[cinder karma]

Meanwhile, me remembering obscure facts from twelve years ago

[hushed raven]

A 2am concert isn't a bad thing to sleep too ngl, I think I will probably do that, I have been waking up at 4am recently (not by choice) so it would be a welcome wakeup call for sure

[rain apex]

Is the concert the one that toured or a new thing

[hushed raven]

I wanna say recording of the toured one

[cyan shadow]

atlas no i'm fucking exhausted

i want sleep

... actually scratch that. I want sushi.

I'll take myself out for dinner later

[hushed raven]

sushi and sleep!

[rain apex]

Wow nice now other people can share my experience of finding out journey of the prairie king has levels

[cyan shadow]

Unless the Boi feels the need to celebrate the end of his internship with dinner out of the house

[fleet wren]

if it's wizard and sandy i wouldn't be surprised, but i'm hoping to be surprised whoops too on topic

[cyan shadow]

in which case we'll go together

[runic kraken]

You can replay and store memories. I physically cannot

I have no memories, only facts and relationships to other facts

[fleet wren]

did you not beat journey king at all
not a pro gamer smh my head don't ask me about junimo kart

[devout vault]

That's what memories are though

[safe dragon]

u can celebrate one of my colleagues getting through his trial period if you want

[runic kraken]

No, they're not

You remember emotional metadata and can replay it

[devout vault]

skill issue

and same

[runic kraken]

I can only remember select facts

[safe dragon]

what about theories smh

[cinder karma]

Lol

[hushed raven]

It has levels???

[safe dragon]

(that's still memory)

[runic kraken]

I can never remember what I did yesterday because yesterday isn't important enough to store

[rain apex]

Spoilers sorry

[cinder karma]

Podunk once asked us to check if the level complete sound of junimo jumping mini game sounded right

[runic kraken]

But I can remember my projects or how to write code, albeit as pure logic

[cinder karma]

You know

A sound maybe 2% of the playerbase has ever heard

[cyan shadow]

woooo!

[fleet wren]

(my theory of why most ppl find prairie king hard is that they dont have keyboards with n keys roll overs making it impossible to move and shoot diagonally)

[devout vault]

I'm not sure that hardly anyone can actually choose to vividly reexperience things. The closest I've heard of tends to be related to trauma.

[fleet wren]

(yes this comes from personal experience)

[rain apex]

I find it hard bc I'm bad at it and there's no carrot in the end to make me wanna git gud

[cinder karma]

This is true of me

[rain apex]

But hmmm do u think there's enough assets to make bootleg zelda nes prairie king flavored

[fleet wren]

(and my theory of why most ppl find junimo kart hard is that it's STUPID UNFAIR PIECE OF-)

[cyan shadow]

I can, but only memories that are very special or important. I do have an extremely visual, vivid mind though, to the point that it's a bit of a curse

[safe dragon]

according to steam I finished prairie king but i don't remember it being a particularly noteworthy thing

[cyan shadow]

but yeah it's not selective

[rain apex]

I remember when auto running games were popular

I wasn't that bad at temple run

JK is theoretically same kinda thing but the cues just feel off

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7488 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1476627671961178331)

[cinder karma]

Do the grace jumps added in 1.6 make it feel any better?

[devout vault]

I implicitly meant "generally speaking, not just for specific things", so I'm still not wrong

[safe dragon]

don't have anything else close to it

[rain apex]

I never tried 1.5 JK

[dusty pollen]

As we've already told you, please do not say or imply you are superior to other people.

[rain apex]

Do ppl still make auto running games

[safe dragon]

this is my next least completed achievement...

[cinder karma]

Running games sounds fun

Oh

I'm being handed a note

Oh

[safe dragon]

is prairie king really supposed to be hard

[cinder karma]

A phone? What's that? That's wild

[lethal walrus]

i think ive played more of my recreation of junimo cart than actual junimo cart tbh

[rain apex]

Crumble is just too good

[safe dragon]

good at a little arcade shooter but never reached year 2

[devout vault]

My least achieved achivement I have is Perfection

MY second least achieved one is Craft Master, which I got in 2016

On my birthday, apparently

[hushed raven]

My rarest is also perfection, which I got entirely accidentally, testing out a mod

[fleet wren]

I feel like the mobile eco system nowadays is all gacha

[runic kraken]

I am gonna take a nap soon I think

[fleet wren]

the age of angry birds/temple run/candy crush/etc. is mostly over

[rain apex]

You can always staple the gacha onto temple run

[safe dragon]

tell that to my mom. She spends 10 gazillion hours on a steam deck yet even now still grabs her tablet to play candy crush every once in a while

[rain apex]

I think that's literally china temple run

[runic kraken]

The steam deck is good but I never end up using mine

[devout vault]

I got it from MP playthroughs

Joja is the one I (unfortunately) have that is also only from testing

[cinder karma]

It's all shitty merge games now

Which don't even have gameplay

[hushed raven]

I didn't even know there was a joja achive, wow fake fan I am

[cyan shadow]

yep! i'm kinda soup rn so I only clocked that you meant in general rather than specific situations 😭

[devout vault]

might i introduce you to our lord and savior, Crashy Cats?

iOS version
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/crashy-cats/id1242806387

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/soup-intensifies-at-soup-soup-store-gif-23579992

[cyan shadow]

may i recommend the Dadish games

[cyan shadow]

it me. am the soup.

[hushed raven]

What about my clothes I wanted though....

[devout vault]

Shouldn't have gone to the soup store then

[hushed raven]

they have the best garb though

[cinder karma]

I'm far too lazy to play a video game these days

While I joke about not knowing what a game is

It's gonna be true some day

[austere comet]

someone else who knows the dadish games, woaw,

[cyan shadow]

they slap!

also hi Tedi, been a while since we last ran into each other, I think!

[austere comet]

Hihi yeah been a while I don't talk much here on maincord

[cinder karma]

Has someone made a game based on vim commands yet

[red crest]

Isn't that just vim

[cinder karma]

... what is a video game

[pliant snow]

Yes, unironically theres a few

Good news, RAID0 is broken

Although i might have an idea why

Okay maybe i dont

Okay maybe i do

No

Yes?

[devout vault]

.8ball has aquo found why raid0 broke

[heavy dagger]

Do you WANT me to smack you!?

[devout vault]

no

[pliant snow]

ayy I did it

first try

[cinder karma]

Trust me I've played the frog css game

[pliant snow]

for future reference, the md kernel module stopped autoloading after an update

[devout vault]

Dang, didn't know there was a kernel module for markdown

[cinder karma]

The fuck is Microsoft Rewards

Casey i want to know if stardew memories is higher rank than developer

[devout vault]

I don't even know how you get that role

[prisma flume]

10th anniversary is in fact more important than developer and concernedape

[marble jewel]

Primeagen made a game to practice vim motions

https://github.com/ThePrimeagen/vim-be-good

[cinder karma]

That's basically exactly what I'm looking for lol

I can navigate but awkwardly and things like "now do command for this word" I'm still bad at

[cursive sigil]

Atra have you considered ascending into insanity instead?

[cinder karma]

How much coffee will that take

[cursive sigil]

All of it

[cinder karma]

My hands are already shakinf

[cursive sigil]

Ah you're getting close then

[dusty pollen]

like a million, yes

[cinder karma]

Iro!

What are u playing

[dusty pollen]

sleep, in a sec

[cinder karma]

I'm looking at the knitpicks sale

[dusty pollen]

(shenzhenio)

[cinder karma]

There is sock yarn on sale

[little furnace]

Can't recommend, lack of agency.

[dusty pollen]

I assumed you have infinite supply

[cinder karma]

AND I have finished many socks recently

I actually don't!

Also I make socks for my family okay

[devout vault]

skill issue

and I'm only half joking

[little furnace]

You can do lucid dreaming?

[devout vault]

Yeah, since I was 13

Found out about it and got really into it for a while

Just sorta stuck even if I don't actively try anymore

[little furnace]

I really want to learn it. If it's not too intimate, can you give an example of what you do in such a dream?
I had difficulties phrasing that because I don't know the exact terminology.

[devout vault]

It's been 16 years, I don't really remember what finally made it start working

First barrier was dream recall though

At some point I got semi-bored of it though (because I don't have the same clarity of mind to actually think while dreaming), so nowadays I tend to just follow along with the Dream Plot™ but with extra abilities

[little furnace]

I mean, that Dream Plot thingy with abilities is really cool and feels like the most useful application of the skill. That's kinda what I imagined it would be like.

[supple ether]

I haven't lucid dreamt in a while, but it did give me a "prmanent" ability that's available in regular dreams- if something bad happens, I can "rewind" and tweak things / try again

[terse galleon]

90% of the time what triggers lucid dreaming for me is being in a dream and thinking "man this sucks/is scary/cannot possibly be real" and then sometimes it dawns on me like ohhh wait let me change this

[supple ether]

what triggered lucide dreaming for me in the past was always me having dreams of things that happened in the future, because as I got older they got longer and eventually reached a point where I'd experience my future self remembering the dream I was currently having

those gradually stopped happening though and I dont really get them any more

[little furnace]

This also kinda happens to me, but I think "oh no, it's scary, oh wait, it's a dream" and then I wake up.

[cursive sigil]

That is so cool

[rain apex]

i sometimes realize im lucid dreaming but i never do anything cool

usually is just hmm yes im dreaming gotta go to work tho

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #7514 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1476755972956356608)

[fleet wren]

what's the opposite of lucid dreaming since I had that this morning
(I dreamed my computer's water cooling system exploded, said "wait, this is just a dream!", tried to wake up, woke up, computer still broken, thought it was for real, then woke up for real)

[red crest]

False awakening

[devout vault]

Yeah

I used to get those a fair bit too

And with more layers than that

[lyric bloom]

I'm not entirely sure I want to lucid dream some of my dreams. >_>

[devout vault]

I mean I just wake myself up when the bad ones happen

And usually notice a headache or something after I do wake up

(yay sleep apnea)

[worn remnant]

when i have a lucid dream (not as frequently as i would like), without fail i immediately drop everything and start flying. none of them have lasted very long so i try to make the most of it

[devout vault]

I suck at flying

And moving fast in general

[lyric bloom]

well, thje thing is, my dreams only hit right before waking and I don't remember much

[devout vault]

A lot of the times the best I can do is float a few inches off the ground and go slightly faster than walking

[lyric bloom]

... except that I'm usually depressed in most of them. But I mean, that's no different than real life...

[devout vault]

That's pretty normal - the brain tries to scrub your memories when you wake up

You can train your dream recall though. It's what I did, and never really deteriorated after I stopped trying (until sleap apnea, anyways)

[lyric bloom]

mm.

Well, see the other thing is

I rarely get long enough REM sleep to actually dream

[devout vault]

The best I've flown is usually when I'm not focused on it - like it's a means to something else I'm trying to do

[lyric bloom]

(I did a sleep study a for a bit, and unless I'm really lucky, I am in and out of REM sleep very rapidly for a while.)

[devout vault]

I don't think REM is required to dream, that's just when they are most vivid

[lyric bloom]

which is something I want to work on because consistent sleeping would probably be more desirable

[devout vault]

Unfortunately, the best thing to fix my sleep schedule was being less depressed

You know, the thing that made my sleep schedule worse in the first place

[worn remnant]

there's one i remember quite vividly where i was having dinner with a friend in a restaurant. went lucid and fucking sprinted to the nearest window, leaped through the glass and out into the night sky for a minute or two of soaring before the end came

[devout vault]

hey maybe you should find more definitive proof its a dream before you sprint through the nearest window /s

(I get it)

[lyric bloom]

the way current AI news is going that's never going to happen, lol

[devout vault]

Fair

For me it's just the magic of being on the right hormones

(even in the past when I've been on them, I think my T suppressant was suppressing it too low)

[lyric bloom]

that does sound good. (I am applying for jobs, and hope to get onto therapy enough to get on antidepressants, tbh.)

[devout vault]

But not everyone has a solution as "easy" as that

[lyric bloom]

.. but ther job market right now isn't great. >_>

[supple ether]

God I should really get on hrt

[runic kraken]

If anyone is curious, I moved to Haskell for implementing my toy language, because I was basically forcing Ocaml to be Haskell anyway

[cyan shadow]

God, this happens to me a ton

[long verge]

It’s called a nightmare

[uncut seal]

it has been happening for some time to me because of school stress, and it is horrifying: I kept trying to fall back asleep in the morning since I was tired and had time to sleep, but I was dreaming about trying to fall asleep, so I never felt well rested when I had to get up

it was also sparkled with actual nightmares, which are extra scary when you have difficulty telling if it was a dream when getting up

[runic kraken]

oh i guess i had one earlier

It was a 'dream' where I was on a motorcycle ride (no idea why) with a friend that I have not talked to in the past year, and do not like and my brain hallucinated a crush on them and it made me feel eugh when waking up. I rarely dream, and that is the dream I get? Thanks brain

Thankfully all 'emotions' from it got deleted immediately, and the fact it happened will be 'garbage-collected' tonight

[cinder karma]

What other assembly based video games do you guys play

[hushed raven]

Assembly as in coding: Factorio has a mod that allows for basic assembly coding in a combinator to do stuff, I think theres a minecraft mod too, Zacktronic games are also a great set
Assembly as in building: same as above but also Shapez2, all of the lego games if they count, and the sims4 if assembling houses counts XD

[dusty pollen]

only the three zachtronics ones for me (tis100, exapunks, shenzhenio)

[hushed raven]

Oh Empyrion is a space game that I used to play, loved assembling space ships (same goes for space engineers) and apparently no mans sky (another space game) has ship building I have yet to check out

[dusty pollen]

they each interact with assembly a different way but none do bitwise stuff

[cinder karma]

Someone should make pick and place a video game

[dusty pollen]

pick and place?

[hushed raven]

like Surface Mount Devices? That would be so fun!

[cinder karma]

Yeah

[dusty pollen]

oh you should play last call bbs atra

[cinder karma]

Last....call to the British broadcast service?

Speaking of video games

FINALLY AT LAST THAT WAS 3000 SOCKS

You get about 1 per minute of focus time

[pliant snow]

There's a programming game called Replicube that I liked, which was focused more on basic shader concepts than assembly. It's a lot more barebones than zachtronics tho

[hushed raven]

do you have to set an amount of time to focus or can you just start, focus for however long you want, then end focus and get the equivalent amount of socks?

[hushed raven]

Oh I've seen that one! been meaning to try it out, it looks quite cool!

[thin estuary]

Not fake assembly, but fake Python. Not tried it yet, but did buy it
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2060160/The_Farmer_Was_Replaced/

Steam

The Farmer Was Replaced

Program a drone using a simple python-like language to fully automate various farming tasks that would otherwise be very grindy. Feel the satisfaction of simply pressing "execute" and watching your drone do all the hard work.

Unlike most programming games the game isn't divided into distinct levels that you have to complete but features a cont…

Price

$9.99

Recommendations

7344

[heavy dagger]

Title result: The Farmer Was Replaced on Steam

[cinder karma]

Either but it caps at two hours

[hushed raven]

Ahh, I was hoping i could just leave my phone alone all day because I do that anyway XD

[uncut seal]

Turing Complete is really good, and it's made with Godot

[dusty pollen]

reasons why logical OR should actually have been XOR:

• you can make the current OR using XOR XOR AND but you can't make XOR using the current OR and AND without also adding NOT or NAND (OR AND NOT AND/OR AND NAND)
• more in line with natural languages (e.g. "you can have tea or coffee")
• XOR is just cooler

[hushed raven]

you had me agree before I even saw the points

[safe dragon]

xor is generally more used in circuitry to begin with

[dusty pollen]

I guess what is currently OR could stay as ANY

[thin estuary]

Reasons why not:
OR is kinda like adding
AND is kinda like multiplying
Both being fundamental math operations
Unlike XOR

[dusty pollen]

isn't xor more like adding than or

because it gets you the actual correct last digit

0+0=0
1+0=0+1=1
1+1=10

[devout vault]

I guess if you're talking about binary (which is also the only application of xor, I guess), yeah

But it's about logical or

[cinder karma]

Babe all I need is a nand gate

[devout vault]

Can NAND make all the others?

I know OR + NOT can do all the others (source: minecraft redstone)

[safe dragon]

as far as I can remember nand can do all of em yeah

obligatory https://nandgame.com/

[dusty pollen]

I assumed we were talking about binary because how do you add true and false

[devout vault]

I mean, technically...

[safe dragon]

aka power or no power

[devout vault]

And while this is probably biased from having learned based on the existing stuff, I feel like OR is easier to reason about than XOR, which is good for complex logic

[cinder karma]

Yes

Both nand and nor can

We like nand better though

Mathematically they are equivalent

But it is easier to build a smaller nand cell

[dusty pollen]

okay but so many fewer cool points

[safe dragon]

can't believe we don't have a convenient nand cell molecule

smh

harvest nand gates straight from the ground

[devout vault]

[uncut seal]

new game idea unlocked

a cosmic aberration of a factory game where you build circuits and computers from NAND gates natural resources

you don't actually have to build a specific circuit, you just have to make a circuit that passes unit tests

and automate its production

Oh god, what about a Make Anything Machine that creates a logic circuit based on a truth table of a fixed size? I know there are methods to do that.

it's in my ideas.md now

[cinder karma]

Yay!

[marble jewel]

Amazon is having a big outage right now, and every time something like that happens to a big tech company, I fantasize about them having laid off someone essential to their existence and as a result are losing milllions in revenue

[cyan shadow]

I'm gonna fight KDE

Bloody thing just noped out and refuses to boot

[little furnace]

I disagree: Logical operators are closely related to basic set theory, where the two most basic binary operators are Union and Intersection. XOR would be Symmetric Difference, which sees much less use.
In most everyday applications OR is much more useful compared to XOR. Even in your example, I'd assume that unless told otherwise nobody would mind if I took both (excluding situations where taking more than one would be weird anyway, which means that taking two cups of coffee is forbidden). You can even mix tea and coffee. Do not recommend though.

[cinder karma]

@sand frost coffee and tea

[thin estuary]

the only use i can think of easily for XOR in everyday things, is like, two switches hooked up to the same light bulb

[devout vault]

Sorry, that's no longer everyday. The everyday way to do that now is hook it up to alexa

[dusty pollen]

cool points though... /lh

[cinder karma]

20% of China's rapid growth

[rain apex]

Zhang et al. final boss

[sand frost]

black coffee and black tea, great combo 😛

wish my caffeine tolerance was higher so i could drink more of it

[devout vault]

something something cerberus

[cinder karma]

I can't believe you can drink that

Says person who took caffeine pills with monster back in the day

[sand frost]

this was lower caffeine than coffee!!

half a cup of coffee, half a cup of hot water, add teabag and steep

[cinder karma]

Day 7 of using git at work

I have managed to git conflict myself

Hey at least it's easy to resolve

Atra-working-on-X feature has made a meeting with atra working on Y feature and have come into agreement

On how this file should look

[prisma flume]

you and i. we are the same

[sand frost]

Triplets

[dusty pollen]

git conflicting myself is like half of my git use on personal projects 😌

[sand frost]

I got better at not doing it but worse at keeping branches per feature

[steel kraken]

Its the main reason to advocate for no long lived branches and merge often

[uncut seal]

Warning, only click on this if you have HOURS to waste: https://thomaswc.com/2025.html

[lethal walrus]

oh wow

i matched two. i leave now

[hushed raven]

I'm doing great with elements and gemstone so far XD

[uncut seal]

I reached 728 score before getting bored

I only managed to complete a single category, what I assume is the easiest one: ||Keyboard Characters||

[hushed raven]

ye that's the one I'm currently doing the best in

I have been trying to put "Up" in the same category repeatidly because I keep forgetting it doesn't go where I think XD

[rain apex]

hm in C# is it more 🚀 to

1. make a List and append to it
2. make an iterator (as in a method that yield stuff) and ToList that

assuming goal is List in most cases

[devout vault]

In modding land the list is definitely faster. (source: recent optimization pain)

[rain apex]

where is the pain

i wanna see it

[thin estuary]

A yield-return-based method will never be faster

[devout vault]

The stuff I was asking about if people could test on lower end hardware in the alpha thread

[rain apex]

ah path finding

[rain apex]

i did have an inking this would be the case but i also admit that generator has an appealing syntax to me

but usually i dont try to ToList them

[devout vault]

Pathos said something about the whole state machine thing being a big part of the performance penalty

(ie. also applying to lambdas with captures)

[thin estuary]

yup

just look at the generated IL

it's awful

[rain apex]

endBehavior is expensive?

maybe its cus C# doesn't have FnOnce ( 🦀 )

[thin estuary]

idk what that is, i don't speak modding anymore

[devout vault]

FnOnce? More like rust, not even once

[thin estuary]

i meant endBehavior

[rain apex]

rust closures have the compile time to check if they are "call once and dispose" or "can call repeatedly"

idk if C# does anything like that

[thin estuary]

i wish it did

[safe dragon]

there's static closures which would have most of the benefits but yeah

[regal ingot]

There are definitely some that can fit in multiple categories.

[devout vault]

I figured you did, I was just using the free real estate that became available for hating on rust

[rain apex]

I thought state machine pattern is supposed to save on processing tho

Like checking 1 variable/cond instead of however many that actually describe the state

[devout vault]

I didn't mean the literal state machine pattern

I meant like the thing the compiler generates for stuff like that

[rain apex]

I am loss on this but take away is "it make slow and terrible IL happen" right

[rain apex]

another minor perf question how bad is string interpolation compared to string.Concat

e.g. in case like this

// string foo and string bar
let strInterpolation = $"Thing({foo},{bar})";
let strCat = string.Concat("Thing(", foo, bar, ")");

[cinder karma]

If the goal is a list make a list first. Give it a capacity hint if you can

Generators work best when you only need a small amount at a time

[rain apex]

what is this C

[cinder karma]

Ie. My SplitStream

(Which is a generator, just done manually)

[cinder karma]

In modern net, favor interpolation....the compiler will make a wise decision

Finally, state machines are very fun!

I love them very much

Dont ask me how many times I've had to fix this four state state machine :(

I fucking love generator in 🐍

Also context managers

[cinder karma]

I was a stickler for rejecting closures when unnecessary tbh

Thank god modern net has a similar thing to SplitStream tbh

[devout vault]

what about modding .net? 😔

[devout vault]

How do you define unnecessary?

I mainly like it for keeping relevant but small bits of code together

[cinder karma]

I don't worry my pretty little head about modding .net

[steel kraken]

Generators are great when you want it to be lazily evaluated and you only want to compute the next value when you are ready for it.

If you are doing it to just immediately tolist anyway then it's kinda pointless

[thin estuary]

today i found ManifoldNET, bindings for a library that powers OpenSCAD. this, combined with another library for creating STL files means i now have unlimited power

[devout vault]

My, what amazing meaning that ordering of those words brings forth.

-# (ie. what does any of that mean)

[thin estuary]

OpenSCAD is an application / programming language for creating parametric 3D models
but it's kinda a functional language, and lacks some basic things i'd like, like getting the bounding box of whatever mesh i created earlier, so i can size/translate other things relative to it

it's powered by Manifold, which apparently has .NET bindings

so now i can do the same thing i was doing in OpenSCAD, but in a C# project

[devout vault]

ah

[thin estuary]

and i can just get the actual bounding box of the mesh

it's definitely slower to develop with, since i don't have a built-in STL viewer lol

but just being in C# means i can do anything now

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

I know that feeling

[thin estuary]

i wanted to make a nice, configurable Terraforming Mars insert, which i could then 3D print

there are existing inserts out there ofc, featuring all expansions too, but i actually don't like one of the expansions at all, and would rather leave it out of the box. i'm also eyeing a custom map system for it, which means i'd like to ditch the included maps, and make space for the components for the custom maps instead

[cinder karma]

Nice!

Do u own 3d printer

[thin estuary]

yup

[hushed raven]

I have been looking for something like this for so long, thank you!

[thin estuary]

So, while the C# solution is definitely more powerful, the initial lack of extra libs sucks a bit

But I did implement filleted cubes since yesterday

This is quickly turning into yet-another-library-project and I don’t like it

[dusty pollen]

has anyone really enjoyed any next fest demos yet?

[dusty pollen]

this is a cross section, right?

[thin estuary]

it's not, it's a cube that was set to fillet its bottom and Z-axis edges

since that's what i technically need from it

and then making space on the inside, by just subtracting a smaller cube

[hushed raven]

I installed a few but only played one so far, Data Center Demo, I thought it would be fun but I could not get past the 3rd part of the tutorial, I don't think I did anything wrong, I'm familiar with the whole server/switch/IP stuff so it wasn't entirely foreign XD

[long verge]

Not yet

[dusty pollen]

sadge

[hushed raven]

have you?

[prisma flume]

finally. code-generated boneless cubes.

[dusty pollen]

no

[lethal walrus]

I should probably play my paid full games before more free demos

[safe dragon]

I'm playing through some right now. Alabaster dawn was good. The rest have not really left a lasting impression so far

[hushed raven]

I'm currently playing through outbound, I'm quite enjoying it! it's mellow

[safe dragon]

Esoteric Ebb seems promising so far

major disco elysium energy which I haven't actually played yet beyond the introduction

[cinder karma]

They sure make everything a game

[dusty pollen]

6gb demo

[safe dragon]

I've seen a few like that

the goldman demo thing was also around that

I feel like they gave us the whole game and just put some software limitations on it

always happens

[dusty pollen]

I do not have 6gb free

[safe dragon]

that sounds like a skill issue

[dusty pollen]

three demos tried so far. 1 actually managed to open

[safe dragon]

so far all my demos have worked but I did need gamescope for one of em

[hushed raven]

how are you having so many issues with them not starting?

[dusty pollen]

linux

[hushed raven]

so am I and I've had actually zero issues

[dusty pollen]

when the alabaster dawn options say "live localisation" and qualify that it might be error prone, do they mean some of their localisation is being done live via an llm...

[safe dragon]

I'm also on linux

[dusty pollen]

hunter's seal looked worth a try but alas, no go

[safe dragon]

idk I'd assume some other form of machine translation than an llm

there have been servicese like that for a long time

[hushed raven]

I would hope the error prone is because it's like old google translate

[dusty pollen]

nowadays even google translate is llm

I don't get the need for live localisation at all tbh

[hushed raven]

it's certainly useful but if the localisation is outsourced to the community there's really no point

[hushed raven]

it started immediately with no issues, was it a certain point it crashed?

There is no FPS limit though so it's running my GPU at 100% for a grand total of 700 FPS even though it can only display less than 1/10th of it

[devout vault]

I've been curious to try this. Have it downloaded but haven't played yet
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4085170/Road_To_YvhalonDemo/

Steam

Road To Yvhalon-Demo

WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF ROAD TO YVHALON!

This demo includes the initial parts of the adventure:

• …

[heavy dagger]

Title result: Road To Yvhalon-Demo on Steam

[devout vault]

Today's complaint: For the past couple days, it seems like on YouTube, the one place free from recommendation nonsense - the subscriptions page - is getting recommendation nonsense

The top is a row that says "Most relevant". Only from people I'm subscribed to, but it has stuff from a week ago even

Next is shorts, which I'm less interested in (but not entirely uninterested in) than actual videos

[uncut seal]

desktop or mobile?

[devout vault]

Desktop

And then if I scroll down I can finally see actual new videos

Literally half way down the second screens worth

[uncut seal]

then you can UBlock Origin that into oblivion

right click -> block element

[devout vault]

Hmm

[uncut seal]

it's the best thing in existence, I don't think I could browse internet without it

[devout vault]

Good to know, though I wasn't so much looking for a fix so much as I was whining about the last bastion of chronological feed being enshittified

[cinder karma]

My new hobby...looking at Texas wholesale electric prices and waiting for them to go negative

[uncut seal]

it's a godsend when the "don't show me this anymore" button does nothing

[cinder karma]

It is not currently negative

(I think. The blues be hard to interpret)

[hushed raven]

so if it's negative, you're paid to take eletricity?

[cinder karma]

Tbh if I could rewind my career and become a grid engineer I would consider it

[cinder karma]

No (mostly) because it's the wholesale price...your distributor would though

It's awesome if you have a project that needs electricity but can take it whenever, such as....any electric car

[hushed raven]

Ohh gotcha, not consumer wholesale like costco or similar

[cinder karma]

Some distributors literally offer free electricity at nights these days

[hushed raven]

I don't think the UK has ever had anything as low as texas, I'm jealous XD

[cinder karma]

It's policy

Tbh grid reliability engineer might make for a fun video game

[hushed raven]

I want to say there's already a simulator for it, given there's simulators for everything

they are one of my fav genres, not sure why, apparently I just crave to do the things I don't want to do IRL in a game

[dusty pollen]

what's with the excess? just too much generated or some kind of alternative/green source?

[cinder karma]

Wind/solar

[dusty pollen]

I suppose Texas is fairly southern, you guys are probably pretty decent for solar yeah makes sense

[devout vault]

something something actually farming something something on topic

[hushed raven]

okay farming is something I enjoy doing IRL more than in a game so that doesn't count XD

[dusty pollen]

there are houses here in near me with solar panels on the roof. fixed ones no less. it's... optimistic

[hushed raven]

for a third of the year (if that) solar is great here!

[devout vault]

Hmm.

Cutting trees?
Fishing?
Mining and fighting monsters while spelunking?
Actually talking to people you don't know? people who aren't shy don't get to respond to this one

[rain apex]

One time kailey told me about foraging for fiddlehead ferns irl and I was shocked

As seen on TV moment

[hushed raven]

I have been foraging for moss before, not that I had to go more than 10 metres from my front door before I found some

[sand frost]

I think im always surprised but how far north Europe is

We have a similar climate as the UK in New England I think, and solar panels do work to generate enough power for a house on a yearly average basis

(Whether it works out financially is a diff question lol)

[hushed raven]

my part of the UK is about as high from new england as new england is to texas, and like smack bang in the middle of the UK

another thing that affects solar panels around me (and I would assume you aswell if you're by the sea) is the ocean spray settling on the panels and blocking a lot of light

[devout vault]

Sorry to be on topic (in the "name of this channel" sense, not the "of this server" sense), but this morning I've been pondering some sort of hypothetical scripting language for client-server games, where you could write a script close to as if it was a singleplayer game.

And then I suddenly realized that that's probably almost exactly what Verse was intended for.

[sand frost]

Pretty sure it’s your right to interrupt us 😛

[devout vault]

The point of such a thing in my mind was a case like Minecraft vs Terraria vs ??? - don't need separate code for MP and SP (Terraria), nor do you need to make it MP even in SP (Minecraft)

[devout vault]

Well the channel is programmers off topic these days, not programming off topic, so...

[hushed raven]

How long has it been programmers off topic? I thought it was still programming

[devout vault]

Less than a month I think

[hushed raven]

-# or as you put it programmining

Oh not as long as I thought, about the time I left I guess?

[devout vault]

-# no idea what you're talking about

[cinder karma]

Uh what monsterw

[devout vault]

yes

the most menacing ones you can find

[hushed raven]

Duggy always looks so sad!

[devout vault]

Remind me in 28 days to make happy duggy for april fools

[heavy dagger]

Bwthhybl? oh sorry got distracted yep on it (#7089118) (28d | <t:1774803117>)

[hushed raven]

flexable booth?

[devout vault]

?

[hushed raven]

Bwthhybl, it's close to welsh for "flexable booth"

[devout vault]

...is it?

Oh, welsh

I read that without "welsh for", so I was wondering if one of us had a stroke

[cinder karma]

I would love to be a grid reliability engineer

Or ATC

(I like my current job too.)

[hushed raven]

TIL Atra has a job, I thought you were well off enough from investments to not need one XD

[cinder karma]

What, no. Not for years

[devout vault]

In this economy?

[cinder karma]

Tbh I wojld also enjoy being a financial advisor if it was for a place like Fidelity

Also tbh when I hit "wealthy enough to not work" I'll probably work anyways

[hushed raven]

if it's a job I enjoy I most certainly would be working even if I pass the wealthy enough to not work benchmark

[lucid sundial]

Let's play

Guess The Browser I'm Using

Difficulty: Extreme

[devout vault]

Trick question. You hand-pixelled a recreation in MS paint, based off of calculating the HTML/CSS/etc. by hand /s

[safe dragon]

imma go with Servo

even though I know it's wrong

[lucid sundial]

thats a great guess

not tho, but you do know niche browsers

[safe dragon]

Ladybird

the other upcoming new browser

I guess there's also Flow but that's proprietary

I doubt it's Floorp or Zen or any other Firefox derivative...

yeah, Ladybird. Final answer

[lucid sundial]

congrats!

[safe dragon]

🎉

[devout vault]

What is Crumble's prize

[lucid sundial]

hm..

[supple ether]

I still don't know what ladybird looks like since I'm on windows

[lucid sundial]

chocolate chip cookie : )

[lucid sundial]

im on windows too!

[supple ether]

it compiles on windows?

[lucid sundial]

I'm using WSL with an X Server running on Windows 10

Yup!

well

[supple ether]

oh WSL that makes sense

[lucid sundial]

not natively no

WSL + X Server

it took like 20 minuites to get dependancies, and 5 minutes to build it

i do have an i9 14th gen, and it was at 100% usage for 5 minutes

the browser is in pre-alpha stage still, it needs lots of JS features

[safe dragon]

hell yeah

[supple ether]

last time I tried something like that was compiling zed for windows and after hours of trying to compile it I gave up

[lucid sundial]

it needs some image decoder plugins still, some GL libraries

tho theyre gonna likely make it all fro mscaratch

[supple ether]

I think they have an official windows version now?

[lucid sundial]

yeah- its a heavy build

[safe dragon]

zed has actual windows builds now I think yeah

[lucid sundial]

i havent used zed really

is it based on Gecko, Blink, Trident, EdgeHTML?

[supple ether]

I am not sure I'm interested anymore bc they added AI before windows support and that makes me question the rest of the project's governance

[lucid sundial]

oh is Zed an IDE lol

i thought it was a browser for a sec

[supple ether]

Zen is a browser, which I do use, Zed is an IDE

[safe dragon]

that's actually what it used to be back when ladybird was a hobby project as part of SerenityOS. They're now starting to use/allow external dependencies

Zed has its own gui framework if you're interested

https://www.gpui.rs/

[lucid sundial]

Ohh, zen

Yeah I use Zen, it's a great browser, the latest build gets better benchmarks

Gecko is a lot slower than Blink, but Zen is slightly faster than base Firefox, I'd assume less bloatware

[safe dragon]

can we just all use the exact same browser to make my web dev easier smh

[lucid sundial]

I know 😭

[rain apex]

Wdym we all using chromium

[lucid sundial]

Most use Blink (chrome), but the other half is a mix of WebKit and Gecko

[rain apex]

The other day i was doing web banking shit and their webbed site does not work on firefox lol

[safe dragon]

tbh I only need to support chromium and Firefox for work so it's rarely truly a problem

[lucid sundial]

My mother said the same thing! So it's not only her lol

[rain apex]

Had to download chromium real quick to fix this

[safe dragon]

I do have workarounds for bugs in both

[lucid sundial]

I recommend Brave

There's a debloat script, too for it

The highest benchmarks for a browser I've seen, while retaining great privacy

[safe dragon]

it's for work I use whatever my users use

[rain apex]

Crumble do u support netscape

[lucid sundial]

Netscape Naviagtor um

yum yum

[safe dragon]

I don't even support chromium browsers that haven't been updated in a year

[supple ether]

tbh I've never noticed the difference between gecko and blink

[lucid sundial]

(netscape is ancient)

[safe dragon]

yes

I'm well aware

[supple ether]

and any price is worht not feeding the Google Behemoth

[rain apex]

What about tor

[safe dragon]

tor is just Firefox in a trenchcoat

[supple ether]

tor is NOT firefox in a trenchcoat

[safe dragon]

but I doubt tor would work on our internal company network

[supple ether]

it has the whole onion router thing

[safe dragon]

that it does

it's a big coat

[rain apex]

🧅

[lucid sundial]

Gecko handles youtube poorly due to it's rendering backend (uses a version of OpenGL/Mesa), and I can never force Vulkan on it
Blink handles Vulkan the best, very easy to force, webpages do speed up, most OS's support it

The reason is Gecko needs ANGLE to translate OpenGL/Mesa

then it gets all mesy from there, its just compatibily on top of compatibility and older backends

I think I got my laptop on Debian to use Vulkan with no ANGLE, sped up time a bit

[supple ether]

youtube does have lag for me, but usually it's just network throttling or the fact that youtube consumes an obscene amount of memory

[rain apex]

I wanted to try waterfox the other day but it compiled for 4hr and still wasn't done

[devout vault]

you know, you should make a new browser that will unify everyone. surely that will work.

-# <xkcd looms in the background>

[lucid sundial]

Use a prebuilt binary !!! 😭

[supple ether]

literally the other day I had a youtube tab eating 2 gb of ram by itself

[rain apex]

It was out of date on AUR lol

Big red don't use

[lucid sundial]

Sure, let's all switch to Microsoft Edge ❤️

(this is a joke)

[lucid sundial]

ahh yeah true then

if ur on cachyOS it'll compile just for your hardware if im not mistaken

to help with less translations and possibly not need ANGLE to begin with

[rain apex]

So yeah im out of try new browser credits this quarter ask me again in Q2

[lucid sundial]

again tho i got no idea

[safe dragon]

I'm very glad edge is just chromium so that I have to put in basically zero effort to support it

[lucid sundial]

I hit the subscribe to Chu!(e) Pro, you gained 1 credit

[supple ether]

I'm happy with zen, got no reason to use anything else atm

[lucid sundial]

It's a great browser

My second favorite

If you use FastJS (Please lower it's core requirements to 4 virtual cores if ur on a 2 core CPU)

i learned the hard way yesterday and youtube froze cause it was killing my CPU

[supple ether]

flashbacks to <!--[if lt IE 9]>

[lucid sundial]

I think I was at what, 6 points on speedometer, now its 9.5 points with FastJS?

againb thats on a super bad laptop

[safe dragon]

I'm using browser features that weren't fully available till January this year meanwhile

[supple ether]

okay I lied I also use palemoon for quick lookups during memory-intensive games when I cant open my main browser

[lucid sundial]

I heard Firefox's latest version lets you toggle AI completely off

[lucid sundial]

Palemoon..oh my

[supple ether]

I found a browser called Min that's a cute idea but I stopped using it because it lags horribly

[lucid sundial]

ohh

Min isnt too bad, a bit, niche

Why do I know browsers? Well, glad you didn't ask

I have to deal with every browser known to exist

And manually document all their installation/profile paths

[lethal walrus]

i am also a zen main, its quite nice

[devout vault]

why