programmers-off-topic

[fleet wren]

you are green you have the power

[prisma flume]

im sorry my name isnt FREIEREN

[hardy jewel]

unfortunately barb is immune to mod action as she ranks above us all

[red crest]

apology accepted 🙂‍↕️

[steel kraken]

You people talk too much.
but None of the junimos are that scary when being off-topic in on-topic channels as pathos

[cinder karma]

Yes they were Betacam!

[devout vault]

wow, blueberry ranks above junimos but devs don't?

[steel kraken]

the puffercop during 1.6 modding alpha was a threat and a promise

[hardy jewel]

I should say equal

[devout vault]

Also while you're here: I am once again petitioning for the role to be renamed to Stardewveloper

[devout vault]

that was supposed to be 😔 not

[prisma flume]

i am petitioning for the role to have a better, sexier colour scheme

[red crest]

I don't think I've ever seen Pathos be off topic myself

[cinder karma]

Right, Sony is pretty fun

[hardy jewel]

I don't think I've mentioned this but if you actually want the role colours to change casey we could probably do that

[devout vault]

the gradient is kinda lame since it's not very noticeable

[cinder karma]

Minidisc!

[hardy jewel]

you're one of the only devs who's active enough for it to matter

[red crest]

I actually really like the developer colour scheme and would trade it for mine in a heartbeat

[cinder karma]

Mr. CA, hire Button

[red crest]

Sorry to the other Junis, I just am not one for green 😔

[cinder karma]

(I think Button would be a great hire.)

[devout vault]

I was gonna demand ask for a custom role once I hit 2000

Like the various hybrid roles

[hardy jewel]

I was trying to do a bit but it fucks up my roles too

[red crest]

"Hi Mr. ConcernedApe sir, please hire me. My qualifications include moderating your server for [checks watch] 8 days. Thank you!"

[hardy jewel]

[devout vault]

Oh slitherlegs goes over junimo now?

[red crest]

Pastels!!

[cinder karma]

Has it only been eight days

I've aged six years today

[red crest]

Maybe 9

[prisma flume]

hired.

[red crest]

This job market stuff is easy 😌

[devout vault]

I don't think anyone but CA himself gets to decide on who is hired

[red crest]

What is 258

[hardy jewel]

barb is CA, though?

[devout vault]

since when

[prisma flume]

the secret ingredient is nepotism

[devout vault]

They are two different discord accounts

[prisma flume]

i'l give you one single solitary guess

[cinder karma]

The CA mask?

[red crest]

Strawberry

[prisma flume]

so close

[red crest]

I've got nothin

[devout vault]

🫐

[steel kraken]

Blueberry

[devout vault]

I kinda assumed it was, then double checked Objects.xml

[steel kraken]

though I did cheat and look it up

[prisma flume]

wrong! the correct answer is Weeds

[hardy jewel]

Blasphemy

[devout vault]

incorrect

[red crest]

I'm not convinced blueberries are vanilla

[cinder karma]

Of course not

[sand frost]

blueberrieses

[cinder karma]

Vanilla is an orchid

[steel kraken]

  "258": {
    "Name": "Blueberry",
    "DisplayName": "[LocalizedText Strings\\Objects:Blueberry_Name]",
    "Description": "[LocalizedText Strings\\Objects:Blueberry_Description]",
    "Type": "Basic",
    "Category": -79,
    "Price": 50,
    "SpriteIndex": 258,
    "Edibility": 10,
    "ContextTags": [
      "color_blue",
      "dye_strong",
      "season_summer"
    ]
  },

(sorry for on-topic they started it!!)

[red crest]

Unfortunately, banned

[prisma flume]

my first act as stardew developer will be to make blueberries real

[cinder karma]

My favorite mathperson!

[devout vault]

what just happened

[sand frost]

hello! what about yourself tho :think:

[red crest]

The colour scheme of Elizabeth's avatar would make a nice role gradient

[devout vault]

I accidentally pressed some keys and got worried I accidentally locked the channel

[cinder karma]

Button banned all of us

[steel kraken]

Good to see it wasn't personal

[sand frost]

i have to admit today was an above average math day, in the sense that i met with a colleague in the math dept to talk math stuff

[cinder karma]

Yay!

[devout vault]

(I almost screenshotted mine, but I can't spoil 1.7 data which have those four lines the exact same as 1.6 but anyways)

[cinder karma]

I literally spent an hour today analyzing one sentence

[dreamy vigil]

Can't believe we're objectifying blueberry now.

[red crest]

Y'all overestimate how much power a mere apple boi has or would wield. I've not entered the level of comfort yet where I can mess with permissions or things as a joke for fear I'll be stripped of my titles

[devout vault]

Pathos? In my #programmers-off-topic ?

[sand frost]

scariest junimo!

[cinder karma]

Hi Pathos!

How goes your snake?

[steel kraken]

turns out this is true in reverse as well

[dreamy vigil]

(The on-topicness summoned me.)

[red crest]

Let he with the most refreshing role gradient cast the first off topic stone. Glory be to Pathos in this regard.

[devout vault]

I used to wield much power from my role, but it has been reduced over time.

Slowmode immune survives though, which is all that matters

[devout vault]

atra is wild berry poptart colored though

[cinder karma]

Atra is brain dead

[sand frost]

button has best taste

[cinder karma]

Why did I think I wanted to be a fjckinf lawyer

[red crest]

I say this with the utmost subjectivity and respect for those who came before me and chose the colours for all the roles, but there is none I like less than the local legend gradient.

[sand frost]

my mom says being a lawyer was not a fun time

so i cannot explain it either, atra

[red crest]

It's great that I'm a junimo now so I don't have to worry about having it

[devout vault]

You're allowed to have bad taste

[red crest]

Thank you! I appreciate that.

[steel kraken]

what im hearing is a junimo legend role is needed just to subject you to the gradient

[sand frost]

i kinda like it

[prisma flume]

finest & smoothest role gradients: junimo, mod author legend
crunchiest role gradients: stardew developer, local legend

[sand frost]

one day...

[cinder karma]

Is that why you keep turning me white

[red crest]

I would accept a junimo legend role on the basis of uniqueness making it more appealing by default.

[cinder karma]

Puh-kahn

[prisma flume]

i get the symbolism of having the whole gamut from villager to desperado but also it's quite crunchy haha

[red crest]

But I was already denied a junimo slitherlegs

[red crest]

... I didn't realize that's what it was even chosen for

[sand frost]

I'm only lvl 1859 apparently, so that "one day" will take a bit

[steel kraken]

im only like lvl 450 so I still have a long time to go

[sand frost]

i also talk less here than i used to

[devout vault]

I've got 457 more levels to go. Too many past hiatuses, smh

[sand frost]

something something no longer trapped alone in my apartment 24/7 i guess

[steel kraken]

oh im now 499, about to proc a message any day now about a different rank that I wont see due to cheeto

[cinder karma]

Alright I have to go swimming

[sand frost]

have fun, don't drown!!

[hardy jewel]

Local Legend is the colours of the stardrop

[devout vault]

I've love a lightblue->darkblue role but I don't want to be accused of being joja

[prisma flume]

imo if it's sampling the stardrop palette the bright pink and dark purple tones could be good

[steel kraken]

Stardew developers are very much joja

[prisma flume]

visibly still stardrop, visibly still desperado+

[cinder karma]

Feel free to assign me white again lol

That is very funny

[devout vault]

in what world

[hardy jewel]

I spent so much time trying to find a good stardrop gradient and this one was what everyone else liked so it's never changing

[prisma flume]

and also makes modding/artist legend roles even more exceptionally super 🙂‍↕️

[cinder karma]

Casey do you even like Pepsi

[red crest]

I think there should be a special gradient for being Discord username spiderbuttons

[cinder karma]

Smh

You should get a permanent junimo slitherlegs

[red crest]

This will be my first act as graduated apple boi

[hardy jewel]

Button if you hate green so much we could just demote you

[prisma flume]

bring back staff hats

[hardy jewel]

😌

[red crest]

You could already demote me

[cinder karma]

Plz dont demote Button

[prisma flume]

free me from this accursed typewriter

[pliant snow]

wow I cant believe blueberry has a special role icon and no one even noticed

[red crest]

And yet you haven't... curious

[prisma flume]

the culprit

[steel kraken]

I don't see role icons

[cinder karma]

Bot maintenance

[cinder karma]

Anyways

Programming.

[pliant snow]

bring back every junimo having their own color

[red crest]

I just noticed I can't believe neither blueberry nor aquo are repping the server tag smh

[pliant snow]

is my server tag broken again

[red crest]

A likely story...

[pliant snow]

half the time I log onto Discord, I just don't have one, and then it comes back

idk if this is just my view or if it's gone gone

[prisma flume]

i prefer to earn server xp the old fashioned way thank u

[hardy jewel]

me when I lie

[cinder karma]

Didn't aquo have the kar2 tag

[red crest]

Wasn't the exp thing temporary?

[hardy jewel]

aquo just hates us

no it's still a thing

[red crest]

Oh...

[prisma flume]

this is a challenge run

[cinder karma]

Dont tell anyone but I like carrying the knitting gamer tag into very technical spaces

[red crest]

They'll just think you really like the Javascript package manager

[cinder karma]

What's Javascript

[red crest]

You tell me you're the one with the javascript package manager gamer tag

[steel kraken]

I used to use yarn for ages, though in the last 3-4 years or so I finally switched back to npm and started exploring pnpm

[prisma flume]

it's a lot like java

[red crest]

I've only recently started using pnpm but I also only start a new javascript/typescript project like once a year

[cinder karma]

Is there a kotlinscripy

Pnpm is a transistor right

[devout vault]

You ask that like there’s any reason to believe I would????

I can’t think of any soda I like besides Sprite

[pliant snow]

what about 7up

[prisma flume]

i like the idea of 7up

[pliant snow]

what about legally distinct lemon lime flavored soda

[cinder karma]

Petition to give Button a permanent junimo slitherlegs role

[devout vault]

why do you hate whimsy

[devout vault]

Neither am I, and I’m a Stardewveloper

[prisma flume]

i mean zoe's providing a little whimsy in that pic

[devout vault]

Other ripoffs are passable compared to other soda

[steel kraken]

I was forced kicking and screaming to migrate from IRC to Discord, I will not sacrifice on number of messages fit on screen.
its discord that doesn't have an option to show role icons in compact

[red crest]

I don't know why Casey but I always just assumed you were the kind of person to like soda

[devout vault]

The tag disappears if a server loses the boosts required to keep it (or used to, the KAR server had issues with that for a while when tags first came out)

[devout vault]

smh, I’m a choccy milk kind of gal

[devout vault]

Oh right, forgot they removed that.

I don’t use compact on mobile, but I do on desktop

[steel kraken]

I'm not sure if its as much as they removed it, or never added it

[indigo mist]

@steel kraken You leveled up to Cropmaster. That's level 500! The deepening purple represents your mad descent into the server.

[steel kraken]

Oh theres the 500 proc

[fleet wren]

the last time I was in the nethack community they were like 50/50 IRC/Discord, and have a bot that ferries messages back and forth between them

[prisma flume]

what excellent timing

[devout vault]

SFML was like that, I wonder if it still is

[fleet wren]

quite the surreal experience, and probably one that's no longer a thing as I imagine it's 100% discord now

[steel kraken]

I think? I still have an irc-to-discord relay running for moddota and my personal server, but no one is in the irc channel anymore

[prisma flume]

i'm used to bb forums. even non-compact discord is small form factor to me

[fleet wren]

I'll still fondly remember IRC, or forums, but yeah I'm not hopping back on HexChat anytime ever

[pliant snow]

I haven't looked for a while, but there were a few servers I was in with long-time IRC history where people still used the bridge

whens the IRC bridge from here to #sdv on libera or wherever

[fleet wren]

of course with Discord rapidly undergoing enshittification who knows

[devout vault]

(They do)

I miss forums

[pliant snow]

what if i told you there's an SDV forum

[devout vault]

I was never in any big IRC channels

[red crest]

There's an SDV forum? Someone should make an announcement about that.

[steel kraken]

You were in #notenoughmods back in the day, that vaguely counts

[fleet wren]

https://junethack.net/archive/2019/player_scoreboard.html#dnethack (look ma that's me in rank 1)

[devout vault]

https://forums.stardewvalley.net/members/kittycatcasey.31/

Huh, I have a developer role on there

[pliant snow]

look at those sad, neglected modders over there

[devout vault]

Kinda forgot

[pliant snow]

no one to help them thrive

[hardy jewel]

let’s migrate to the stardew steam forums!

[prisma flume]

i do not wish to return to bb forums 🙂‍↕️

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

[pliant snow]

the bb stands for blueberry

[devout vault]

(I forgor)

[prisma flume]

omg it does

[marble jewel]

For anyone old enough to remember, were you team PHPBB or team IPB?

[devout vault]

Team write your own forum software

(Yes I did that)

[fleet wren]

SMF

[devout vault]

(Technically still have it, but would need to figure out how to get it running again)

[marble jewel]

In some of my older communities, there was the old threaded vs flat boards debate

[devout vault]

I always preferred flat. It wasn't until I started using reddit that I got used to the idea of threaded

[marble jewel]

I came up around threaded forums so flat felt like a downgrade to me even though it kind of became the more popular choice

[devout vault]

How much do I miss forums, and how much is it just nostalgia...

[marble jewel]

Did you have any of those communities where the last 5 years of posts were various members just replying "Last"

[fleet wren]

hmm yeah I probably just miss the ppl on this old forum I used to frequent

(it was a small Insaniquarium/PVZ fan forum which is mainly known for hosting the most popular Insaniquarium save editor)

[devout vault]

The forum I mainly remember is the dead one

(well, forum/wiki)

RIP wikicomplete.info

[marble jewel]

Insaniquarium, that's a game I haven't heard in a long time. I wish it would get ported to tablets.

[cinder karma]

What

[marble jewel]

It's like tablets are the perfect form factor for that game

[devout vault]

Oh, there was also dreamviews I guess?

And the SFML one of course

[fleet wren]

if PopCap remembers they make any games other than PVZ/Bejeweled its CEO will simultaneously get an aneurysm

[red crest]

Insaniquarium Deluxe is on steam for like $5.

[fleet wren]

heck remove Bejeweled from that list

[prisma flume]

i do love my bejeweled 3 tho

[marble jewel]

Last I heard about the OG Dev of PvZ and Insaniquarium was when he entered a game jam and made a Game Maker game involving an Octopus with like guns for limbs

Octogeddon

It's neat and all that he got his payday, but his creations could have been so much more if he maintained control

[fleet wren]

yeah he got the boot the moment PopCap began thinking of selling out to EA and pivoting to mobile F2P games

[steel kraken]

who needs pvz when you have https://store.steampowered.com/app/4053520/Holo_vs_Robo/

Steam

Holo vs Robo

Oh no! Robots are attacking hololive! They must be stopped!!
With the energy of fans' cheers, bring holodolls to life and fight off hordes of robots in this hololive-themed lane-based tower defense!!

Features:…

Price

$6.99

Recommendations

363

[heavy dagger]

Title result: Holo vs Robo on Steam

[prisma flume]

i'll stick with pvz 🤝

[fleet wren]

not salty btw

[marble jewel]

One classic I remember from around the same time was Desktop Tower Defense, and that has gotten a faithful tablet port

[fleet wren]

btw dont ask why my nexus name is 'zombifier'

[steel kraken]

btd6 has mostly survived fine

[prisma flume]

oh my god i loved desktop tower defense

my heart. my bones. my lower back

my telomeres

[marble jewel]

I remember cheesing it by blocking the exit and forcing them to go back and forth

[cinder karma]

Why is ur nexus name zombiae

[fleet wren]

it definitely has nothing to do with the hit PC/console-exclusive video game Plants vs Zombies

[cinder karma]

What

I dont even knoe what plants vs zombies is so

[marble jewel]

Why does that sound like an ad? What promo code should I use to purchase? /s

[cinder karma]

It's okay

[marble jewel]

If you were in the position of hosting forums around this time, I remember people insisting either PHPBB or IPB were the best option

[cinder karma]

One of these sounds like php

Also I wasn't a forums hosting person

[steel kraken]

I dont think there was a forum that wasn't in php

[marble jewel]

I remember coding a syntax highlighter for both of them for a community I hosted

[cinder karma]

What year was this

[marble jewel]

Probably late 90s

[steel kraken]

at one point moddota was going to look into making a new forum using modern architecture and design it around cloudflare caching everything, but we didn't make any progress

[cinder karma]

I wasn't capable of programming in the late 90s

[marble jewel]

I learned coding around the time that social media was first becoming a thing, and you could customize your MySpace profiles with HTML and Javascript

[cinder karma]

What's MySpace

[marble jewel]

It was where you could be friends with Tom

[cinder karma]

The cat from Tom and Jerry?

[little furnace]

WWWBoard apparently uses Perl.

[steel kraken]

perl practically is php anyway

[cinder karma]

Perl

[marble jewel]

cgi-bin/

[devout vault]

Obligatory

.q 6573

[heavy dagger]

#6573

I have a new respect for PHP

• Pathoschild (Jump)

Aug 19, 2025, 8:24 PM

[steel kraken]

the osrs group tracker I use got forked and they migrated the rust backend to php to make it easier to develop

[devout vault]

Understandable

Commendable, even

[marble jewel]

Is PHP making a comeback? Just kidding it never really left.

I mean the internet mostly runs on WordPress

[steel kraken]

Silicon valley and the founder class started respecting PHP again after the laravel founder or whatever went viral over his photos of his lambos or something

[marble jewel]

How about, were any of you a WordPress, LiveJournal, Blogspot or other?

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/game-changer-dropout-sam-reich-ive-been-here-the-whole-time-gif-25231055

[fleet wren]

wikipedia is still php methinks

[devout vault]

(Well, most of the time)

[devout vault]

Used blogspot briefly, did a lot with Wordpress at some point

[steel kraken]

im slightly too young for the blog class.
by the time I wanted a site I would just make it myself (in php anyway)

I think I had some stuff on wiz?

[marble jewel]

I might still have an LJ somewhere out there

[prisma flume]

born just in time for neopets pages

[devout vault]

You know what we call a live journal these days? A mimic, roll initiative

[marble jewel]

LJ is where my emo phase is documented, so it's exactly what you'd expect

[pliant snow]

https://tenor.com/8bSI.gif

[devout vault]

The unholy texts!

Gotta go run that errand, guess I'll have to continue annoying y'all later (maybe)

😔

[steel kraken]

going through my ancient email address and I didn't realize how many runescape phishing attempts I didn't see due to not monitoring that email

[cinder karma]

Google Pages

I hand wrote the html for that

[fleet wren]

Vietnam only started having widespread internet access around the time Facebook became prominent, and as a result 99.8% of the population just used FB

[steel kraken]

looks like my irc relay died back in march 2024, but its back up now

my libera name registration survived, but esper didn't

[cinder karma]

Also Selph, but MySpace was before my time

[fleet wren]

all i heard about myspace was how good it was and how sad it shutdown before its time
tbh i feel if it didnt shut down it would have just become enshittified over time, twas the fate of them all

[cinder karma]

Tbh I'm about to create a new FB account for one thing only

Facebook Marketplace

[red crest]

my beautiful dotnet template ruined because Rider evidently does not support conditionally visible parameters when creating a solution

[sand frost]

i use wordpress out of an extremely begrudging admission that having a website may be necessary

but not as like, a blog

just a website

[marble jewel]

MySpace was just very representative of what the internet was at the time. For many, it became their first time socializing with others across the globe.

I think what I miss about it was how transparent it was. Before the internet became driven by algorithms optimized to encourage addictive behaviors.

[prisma flume]

i miss being able to navigate discussions separated by topic rather than having everything flattened into a single automated feed

[steel kraken]

the loss of Cronological timeline is what made me abandon facebook back in 2015, and is why I'm mostly still reading twitter. For all its faults it still as a cronological "Following" timeline I can read until I see stuff I've already seen and stop.

[prisma flume]

Software as a Sushi train (SAAS) was a mistake

twitter simply has too many faults for me to use it. it's like using amazon imo. i'd rather just not

whatever it gives me i can get elsewhere and support someone who deserves it

[steel kraken]

my view on twitter is I'm not going to use twitter and another.
and theres enough thats still twitter only that im staying.

I did spend time installing all the infra to have my own bluesky pds, I just couldn't be bothered actually trying to build up a follower list from scratch again

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by irocendar as #7297 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1471340976910897183)

[steel kraken]

ok got my bluesky account actually logged in again, it only follows xpaw

[sand frost]

I never had a Twitter so I don’t have new Twitter either

I do have a Facebook but only old people use it anymore

[steel kraken]

I spent time ages ago going through and going through everything in my facebook account and making private

it still exists mainly for messenger purposes, but thats about it

[cobalt shore]

I use Facebook for messenger, local fire performer community news, and my mom likes to share recipes there for me.🤣 I don’t really do “the social medias” anymore.

[sand frost]

Apparently there is knockoff din tai fung in Toronto

“Ding Tai Fung”

[cinder karma]

Next time I find myself in toronto

[safe dragon]

how often do you find yourself in Toronto

[cinder karma]

Not often enough

[little furnace]

I think I'm gonna learn Perl.
https://metacpan.org/dist/Lingua-Romana-Perligata/view/lib/Lingua/Romana/Perligata.pm

[safe dragon]

innovation

[strong cloak]

I want to try and edit a mod because I didn’t want the weapons to be changed but now I’m nervous like what if my idea gets rejected 😭

The pacifist valley - continued

[rain apex]

#making-mods-general

[strong cloak]

Ty

[long verge]

What the actual fuck

https://tenor.com/view/suicidal-penguin-suicidal-penguin-mountain-penguin-suicidal-penguin-suicide-penguin-gif-9523583683405012896

[devout vault]

Justice????

If MKW wins I will personally burn down DICE. It's weird that sonic isn't on there. It's so much better than MKW, and I think a bigger name than KAR (and I assume wheel world, since I've never heard of that one)

[marble jewel]

Rigged

[safe dragon]

poor sega

[long verge]

Where’s Garfield Kart 2 ?

[devout vault]

Garfield couldn't be bothered to show up

[cinder karma]

Wheel world

[pliant snow]

if you ping jade with this image, you can get instabanned

[fleet wren]

yeah crossworlds got robbed for real

[devout vault]

Don't worry I showed it to her already, and I appear to not have been banned (yet)

[pliant snow]

dead man walking...

[fleet wren]

almost as bad as Sonic 3 being snubbed from TGA best adaptation

the game industry is biased against the blue hedgehog in this essay i will

[devout vault]

Violently murdering your past self is a standard rite when transitioning, so you can move on from "dead man walking" to "living woman walking" (or dead woman -> living man if trans masc, etc.). I don't see the problem here.

(I know you were just using a figure of speech, but that doesn't mean I won't use it as an opportunity to make a dumb joke.)

[cinder karma]

What's sonic

[little furnace]

I'm a huge Sonic fan, but the driving itself really doesn't feel as good as in MKW. I loved inside drifting in MK8 and had to get used to it, but I feel like I have much better control over my drifts in MKW (with bikes; haven't tried anything else yet) than in SC.

[little furnace]

Sound but scientific.

[devout vault]

I'm not a huge sonic fan, but not a huge mario fan either (but definitely more familiarity with mario & co).

I struggle with drifting in air segments in sonic, and am not super fond of drifting in water. No arguments about the default drifting really.

The key part of what makes sonic greater to me is the gadget system. It just adds so much more to the game than the difference in ease of drifting takes away. Plus, there's gadgets affecting drifting too (though I don't use any)

[little furnace]

That's true, though I tend to not focus on that really. Admittedly my favorite way of playing Mario Kart is without items, so I prioritize how the driving feels much more than anything else.

Both are great games, but the racing game I played most is actually F-Zero 99.

[devout vault]

Ah, well, I play them for the chaos

Last I played I was using the "get double the items from each pickup" gadget. Yes, I hardly ever got first place, and regularly didn't even get top 5. But the fun items are worth it

[cinder karma]

Sounds fun!

[pulsar light]

where do I go to learn code? I wanna start modding but dont know how to

[little furnace]

Chaos!

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-adventure-chaos-sonic-gif-18094882030301220429

[little furnace]

That's pretty general of a question. Do you have any experience?

[pulsar light]

not at all

I played minecraft education edition 10 minutes if that counts

[devout vault]

I much prefer the other sonic chaos

https://tenor.com/view/chao-garden-sonic-chao-cute-smile-gif-16528341

[crystal wren]

Too much Sonic talk, and we'll accidentally summon Jade!

[devout vault]

Accidentally?

[little furnace]

You might want to try Scratch then.

I'm so glad I can use hyperlinks now without going into time-out.

[crystal wren]

Do you know the little shortcut Discord has for them?

[devout vault]

Are we unironically recommending people start with scratch

[crystal wren]

Write a bunch of text like this, select a block of it, and paste a URL.

Ironically sometimes not faster, but it can be nice if you're inserting a bunch after the fact!

[little furnace]

I only know [Text](Link).

[devout vault]

(Also, you can make many SDV mods without any programming: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Content_pack_frameworks )

[cinder karma]

(Also programming is fun)

[little furnace]

Does this also work on mobile?

[cinder karma]

(I'm learning perl)

[crystal wren]

I would wager not, but I don't know!

[little furnace]

I took my first steps with Scratch. I still love it dearly.

[safe dragon]

(this actually works in most rich text editors)

[cinder karma]

I think I'm too old for scratch

[sand frost]

My brothers started with scratch

In late elementary school

I do think it’s good for kids, though I wasn’t as interested at that age

I think what language I’d recommend kind of depends on why you’d want to learn

I have my students do python or Matlab because that’s what the existing code is in and we use it like a tool, not primarily focused on programming

[dusty pollen]

I have my qualms with scratch, especially if the goal is actually knowing how to program soonish

[sand frost]

But someone who wants to learn for programmming’s sake I would recommend some kind of typed language

I also think adults probably learn differently than kids

[little furnace]

I feel learning the logic is the most important part. I think Scratch does that very well. If you learn any specific language you might pick up bad habits or get too used to a specific way of doing things.

[rain apex]

I like turtle graphics

[marble jewel]

While certain languages can encourage "bad habits" I think in the learning phase it's important to not stress too much over which language, and really just try to develop a programming mindset

[rain apex]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logo_(programming_language)?wprov=sfla1

[marble jewel]

The nitty gritty details should come after you've developed some amount of proficiency (in whichever language you choose)

[cinder karma]

Start with labview

[dusty pollen]

I don’t think other languages are any likelier to lead to bad habits than scratch, which strongly limits data structures I think for most adults it may be better to just jump into any random programming language like matt said

[little furnace]

My other go-to for learning logic is Prolog, but only if I'm there to guide a bit, and only the simple standard stuff like a family tree.

[cinder karma]

Jk

[safe dragon]

shakes fist at python's complete disregard of scoping rules

[cinder karma]

Start with lua

[cinder karma]

There are scoping rules

You have to learn them carefully

[safe dragon]

the rule is that it can be accessed globally regardless of where it is smh

[marble jewel]

I think it helps to choose a language where you're able to see the results quickly and that overlaps with your other interests

[dusty pollen]

python is actually decent ish for new starters in that it’s very accessible but tbf it’s a bit of a nightmare to transition to other languages if you only know python, so something like js or typescript might be better!

[cinder karma]

Like labview!

I'm being a troll

Start with c# or typescript

[safe dragon]

I started with C# and you can see how that turned out...

[little furnace]

How about Rust /s

[safe dragon]

tbh the biggest barrier to programming I've seen is just getting through the initial hurdle of learning to just write things that do stuff

so many get stuck on wanting to do it "correctly" immediately and then don't do anything because they don't know enough to even know what that means

[cinder karma]

Like @crystal wren I started with VBA

[safe dragon]

whatever language lowers the hurdle enough for people to just fuck around and make things, will work as a start

[cinder karma]

I'm damaged for life

[little furnace]

So Scratch?

[safe dragon]

I did not start with VBA thankfully. I did not touch VBA till I helped a friend with some excel macros and was horrified by what I saw

sure

[marble jewel]

I wanna say I started with Javascript making a website in the web 2.0 days. Did some coding in proprietary languages for game development. And my first "serious" language I did was VBA at a job.

[little furnace]

I actually didn't start with Scratch, I started with Lego Mindstorms.

[safe dragon]

technically I started with css if you count me just copy pasting myanimelist custom stylesheets

but realistically I started with C#

[marble jewel]

I only got into C# for the purpose of modding SDV

[dusty pollen]

mine would be client side js I guess

[safe dragon]

I got into C# cause it's what my uni used for most courses

[little furnace]

If we actually want to find the earliest exposure to programming whatsoever, then for me it would be Bash at the age of 4.

[safe dragon]

I've been told a few of the courses I did are now done in haskell

[marble jewel]

I "technically" touched C++ and Java at different points in school, but I don't count those because it was all the basic textbook lessons. i.e. Hello World

[safe dragon]

C# at my uni wasn't really about learning C# it was just the language used to teach other computer science topics

haskell meanwhile...

[devout vault]

<flashbacks>

[cinder karma]

Haskell is sex appeal

The language you learn to be super cool to your friends

The language you wish you understood

[devout vault]

Yeah this is why I don't buy into the whole "learn to program before you try modding / making a game / etc." thing

[cinder karma]

But that's actually all of us

None of us understand the burrito

[marble jewel]

The problem nowadays for learners is it's too easy to vibe code through the learning phase, so you may get results more quickly, but don't develop the understanding

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #7305 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1471563297928249656)

[marble jewel]

I think you can get a false sense of accomplishment, but as soon as you are unable to use AI-assisted coding, can you independently write the same results

[cinder karma]

Anyways

Nearly free Jack in The Box

You quoted that and not Haskell is sex appeal?

[rain apex]

Having visual feedback was nice

[devout vault]

I am so whimsical, not even I can understand my whims

Besides, there are other people here who can quote things 😛

[safe dragon]

it honestly worries me a lot

I worry about that more than I do about AI becoming good enough to replace us

[devout vault]

We're speedrunning the "forgotten magic technology that nobody still alive actually understands" trope IRL. Isn't it exciting?

[safe dragon]

very

we shall treat the ipad like a sheikah slate

[cinder karma]

We're already there

Every time I touch device physics I'm in awe

How do we

So smol

[safe dragon]

For now I cope and think that the data engineers in my team (who heavily rely on AI to write code for them) would've known almost nothing about programming otherwise either

there's just something so wrong about hearing "chatgpt told me that x"

[worn remnant]

"i asked the plausible response machine about this and it said something plausible" gee you don't say /s

[safe dragon]

I have not worked with actual software engineers young enough to have had access to AI tooling since the start

so I am still unsure of the reality

[devout vault]

Same with a lot of science/tech stuff when I think about it, but the difference is we've have a bunch of different people with separate specialized knowledge on how parts work, that have worked together (intentionally or not) to make the marvels we have today.

I mean more like "someone handed you a device that reads your mind to determine what food you are most in the mood for, searches the entire timeline to find it, and teleports/timetravels it from whoever was about to eat it onto a mysteriously floating plate in front of you". We'd have no clue how any part of that could feasibly work 😛

[safe dragon]

I have a vague understanding of how plates work

perhaps even floating plates

[marble jewel]

I've interviewed about a dozen entry-level engineers for 3 positions, and part of my questioning is to suss out how much they depend on AI-assisted coding. Answer - almost everyone uses it heavily.

[devout vault]

It's a plate that the device manifested into existence perfectly suited for the given food, keeping it at just the right temperature and freshness no longer how long it sits out, but also not feels too warm or too cold for you to touch.

It also has RGB despite not being powered in any way whatsoever

[safe dragon]

damn

[cinder karma]

I know how parallel plates work!

[safe dragon]

that has been my impression as well

except through vibes and no interviews

😌

[devout vault]

One of my friends at the college I went to (and is also the person who taught some of the classes I took) has said they went back to more written assignments/quizzes/etc. because of all the AI stuff

[crystal wren]

Huh, maybe I'll have a bit of an edge, then.

[devout vault]

(Some stuff was previously still written like exams, but not everything)

[safe dragon]

not to the managers smh. People who use AI tooling heavily are a better hire to them!

[marble jewel]

At this point I don't think AI has a shot at going after intermediate+ level jobs, but it's certainly destroying the entry-level talent

[devout vault]

Which of course doesn't bode well long term for >entry level

[safe dragon]

when chatgpt first hit the market I thought about this a lot

[safe dragon]

guess the new devs are just gonna have to be intermediate level from the start

smh

[marble jewel]

I mean sort of... as the intermedia+ level devs age out or retire, who is set to replace them?

[safe dragon]

idk really

[crystal wren]

It's going to be COBOL all over again.

[marble jewel]

For the sake of corporations bottom lines, they better hope that LLMs catch up by then because it's not going to be the current wave of vibe coders

[devout vault]

Yeah, that's what I meant

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7306 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1471570088392917222)

[safe dragon]

thankfully swift is now 11 years old

why am I already becoming a grumpy person complaining about how the new generation never learnt how to do things right and just relies on their fancy new gadgets

I'm not even 30

smh

[cinder karma]

Fucking cadence

Here is a flag you can add to make parsing logs easier!

Does it actually? No!

[safe dragon]

a nice flag

[fleet wren]

re: language, my toxic trait is that I think learning what passing by value vs reference exactly means is a crucial skill

[rain apex]

I think the question is also can a dev that vibe codes become good enough for the intermediate+ roles

[fleet wren]

I may be using too much C++ at my job

[rain apex]

What's a value i only know pointer

[cinder karma]

Baby, if you're not gonna let me borrow that as mut I dont want it

[devout vault]

are you passing the reference itself by value or by reference /s

Yeah, super important, I agree. At least for anything reasonably complex

[dusty pollen]

gonna make a language that’s 100% pass by value. force people to recreate pointers in increasingly creative ways

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[safe dragon]

even immutable languages will have pretty good performance characteristics compared to 100% pass by value

[dusty pollen]

in reality the creative ways would just be a sparse array for each type

[cinder karma]

I'll just reallocate this 13mb array again i fuess

[pliant snow]

gonna make a language that's 100% global variables, not allow any paramters at all

[cinder karma]

So python

Oh. No

So bash

[pliant snow]

I do not want to see your python code

[dusty pollen]

“so to set this variable of type S, set it to the next empty index in your s_vars array. Whenever you need to perform an operation do so directly to s_vars[S]”

[dusty pollen]

dammit beaten to my joke

[pliant snow]

I mean, it's kinda assembly

You get six variables and a giant array to write your code, good luck

[safe dragon]

we call that language assembly

[cinder karma]

Six variables

[dusty pollen]

play TIS-100 aquo

[pliant snow]

why would i play TIS-100 when exapunks is right there

[devout vault]

yeah don't be a coward (says the person who won't get around to playing TIS-100)

I'm forgetting which one exapunks is

[dusty pollen]

maybe I’ll try exapunks because spacechem is irritating me

[pliant snow]

it's the one with the lil robots

and the sick soundtrack

[dusty pollen]

so it’s a zachtronic

[devout vault]

You say that as if I'm familiar with any Zachtronics game besides the ones frequently mentioned here

(and I've played none of them)

[dusty pollen]

all I know about exapunks is that the tetris minigame it has is also in last call bbs

[pliant snow]

exapunks also allows you to program games in their assembly platform

there's a standalone player for them

[dusty pollen]

tis 100 is entirely assembly

[pliant snow]

so is exapunks, that's the frightening part

[cinder karma]

Which is rhe best of them

[pliant snow]

the solitaire collection

[dusty pollen]

oh the minigame is in last call bbs because they both are based on sawayama computers

[tranquil grove]

probably shenzen i/o for me personally, the circuits + instructions one
infinifactory was also fun, but geared toward minecraft fans

as seen in my old twitter gif archive

[fleet wren]

clearly the next step is 500 hours in Factorio

[devout vault]

Still need to play that

(I have it)

[dusty pollen]

exapunks is cool so far but tis-100 was much lower level haha

multiplying two numbers together is an actual puzzle in tis-100, and about half way through too

[cinder karma]

I feel like I'll slowly pick up most of these

(Emphasis: slowly)

Did u have to multiple two floats

[thin estuary]

none of the 3 programming games have floats

[devout vault]

screams

[cinder karma]

What have u been playing lately

[thin estuary]

out of the three? Shenzhen I/O

[devout vault]

me right now
https://tenor.com/view/animation-cartoons-toons-the-legend-of-aang-atla-gif-14828024

[cinder karma]

Of literally anything!

[dusty pollen]

nah, tis-100 does ints only (and doesn’t have a concept of bits)

[cinder karma]

Ew

[thin estuary]

uhhhh i'm back to playing World of Warcraft, also some Terraria, also some Overcooked 2, also still Cobalt Core

[dusty pollen]

it’s really good though! very restrictive in a fun way

[cinder karma]

How is overcooked

[thin estuary]

good if you have friends

note: you may lose friends

[marble jewel]

I like playing Co-Op Plate Up

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-it-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-4883506

(I will refrain from further hyperventilating in chat)

[marble jewel]

Time for KittyOwlCasey?

[thin estuary]

Shenzhen has something simiar to bitwise utilities... except for decimals

[cinder karma]

Okay I dont have any meatspace friends who play video games

[devout vault]

there's a cat in TOH you know

[thin estuary]

whenever you do play the programming Zachtronics games, do add me on Steam hah

[steel kraken]

I did a full campaign playthrough of overcooked 2 in solo-coop, its a fun strategy game

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/amity-ghost-the-owl-house-good-palisman-help-gif-9539017680174240413

https://tenor.com/view/amity-the-owl-house-ghost-toh-cat-gif-5910043418574819708

[thin estuary]

Casey broke

[devout vault]

mayhaps

[cinder karma]

I love how this is my view of memes

[crystal wren]

Weird!

[cinder karma]

It's a discord setting

You can set ot to not autodownload

[devout vault]

Cat is called Ghost and is the familiar* of Amity (purple hair), if it helps clarify the URL 😛

also a fun fact about that

[cinder karma]

Adorable

DecidedlyHuman how goes university

[cinder karma]

How do u peek a file in python

[devout vault]

very carefully, to not wake it up

[pliant snow]

with open, read some bit of it in, look at the string/array you got

[cinder karma]

So the more complex part is that I'm in a while loop reading with next(f)

So the bullshit i tried with seek/tell failed

[prisma flume]

ah, you must be working in python. come, i'll show you to the @dim kettle and you can get started

today you'll be learning about asyncio

[cobalt shore]

Plate up is also hella fun like overcooked 2 😄 but does not require that you have friends (bc if you do you may also lose them in this game)

also 👀 python mention

[cinder karma]

🐍

Alright

[lament osprey]

Have any of you happen to do the codecademy C# course? 👀 I might want to throw myself in there as some homework

[cinder karma]

I got my little dash up and working

[cinder karma]

It's probably good tbh

Most of us learned c# by "fuck it it's Microsoft Java right"

[devout vault]

I still need to try that

I think I have it

[lament osprey]

Yeah I used codecademy at school for I think it was html or something of the sort

It’s a pretty neat platform

[cobalt shore]

I love it sm my husband and I co-op sometimes but it was my entire life for a while

334 hours, I like the flailing motions the characters make when you do stuff it cracks me up

[sand frost]

I prefer to watch other people play overcooked

It looks very stressful

[devout vault]

Fun fact. In the 2v2 mode, you can steal stuff from the other team

found that out the hard way a while back

[lament osprey]

Seems like a good game to test your relationship

[cobalt shore]

lmao a little bit

I worked front and back of house in restaraunts before yet I find Plate Up oddly not insanely stress inducing for the most part. Mid-late restauraunt stages, especially solo does occasionally send me back to insane busy days at subway but I'm also weirdly good at it and hubby thinks its bc of the irl experience XD it's the only game I've ever been better at than him from the get go

[lament osprey]

Haha that’s kinda cool! You probably did learn some skills you can use in the game. Makes it a pretty cool game on that part too

[cobalt shore]

Right? Table organization + door placement between kitchen and dining space are so key I’ll reroll maps forever and it depends on the food I’m making too like tacos vs steak

[steel kraken]

Fun fact: The singleplayer of Overcooked is you playing two characters at once, but you can only move one at a time.
you can micro one to start cutting and then switch to the other and the first will resume cutting

[lament osprey]

Is it doable? It does look like fun but I have no one to play with

[steel kraken]

Yes, each player count has different scoring thresholds

My switch save has 3 star on all base game maps in singleplayer

[lament osprey]

Awesome then I’m putting it on my steam wishlist for next time it’s on sale

[cinder karma]

SinZ what do u play

[steel kraken]

in many ways I enjoy the singleplayer more than multiplayer as it becomes a much more interesting strategy game

[steel kraken]

Not included is Runescape (now both variants) and Warcraft 3 custom maps

[devout vault]

no crosscode, smh

(Okay to be fair it's not a 100s of hours kind of game)

[steel kraken]

while I do own 1500 titles, crosscode does not appear to be one of them

[cinder karma]

Cookie clicker?

[devout vault]

You click cookies

Or, well, automate clicking cookies

(An idle game)

[steel kraken]

cheated cookies taste awful achievement is one of 2 achievements that doesn't have a steam achievement

I don't remember the second

I think I just cheat a singular cookie for the local achievement and thats it

and for my steam save, I did use cookie monster and a farm automation plugin, but no autonomous auto clickers (outside of the ingame buildings)

[lament osprey]

Damn you play a ton of video games

[thin estuary]

half of the time of places #2-4 are me making mods

if not more

[steel kraken]

pages 2 and 3, going further down is a mess

[lament osprey]

I think you’re a fan of sudoku

[steel kraken]

I like my sudoku collection

variant sudoku is fun I highly recommend, particularly hand authored puzzles

[cinder karma]

This is my equivalent of that

Ignore the Member since

It resets every time I pause the membership and I do that often

But this is slightly misleading because I put on books as white noise to fall asleep too

[lament osprey]

Would overcooked all you can eat be good? It’s on sale rn

It looks like it comes with good stuff

[steel kraken]

its pretty much a wrapper game to have both 1 and 2 campaign in one game

and uses the mechanics of the relevant game

[safe dragon]

never played either but they seem pretty fun

[prisma flume]

they're fun party games but you really need 1~3 other people to get the mileage

[steel kraken]

I enjoy overcooked singleplayer in a different way to multiplayer.

Multiplayer is a chaotic party game, Singleplayer is a strategy game

because only one can be moving at a time, you need to strategize the route you will take a lot more

but I also enjoy RTS games and preferred Sims3 to Sims4 because I could micro a large family across the entire world

[cinder karma]

How many of u will build mod for hc

[steel kraken]

.q 6897

[heavy dagger]

#6897

Unfortunately I'm only touching hc if it has multiplayer or Casey mods multiplayer in

• @steel kraken (Jump)

Jan 2, 2026, 9:18 PM

[prisma flume]

i will still be working on my one single mod when hc comes out

[cinder karma]

I'll buy the soundtrack day 1

[steel kraken]

Very curious how love of cooking will behave in the much more cooking themed game

[devout vault]

Porting it to HC?

Can't believe we'll get Big Blueberry Mod - HC Port before we get the original

[prisma flume]

oh no we already have that mod

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/40052

[devout vault]

That mod is only acceptable if less blueberries drop from the crop

The reason they are smaller is because there are more of them

[prisma flume]

oh no we already have that mod

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/40053

[cinder karma]

Someone needs to put thr cookie cutter shark into the game

[hardy jewel]

[steel kraken]

I read that as cookie clicker shark, and was very confused

[cinder karma]

I've circled around to the point of view of

"I want a fridge that (a) has a freezer at the bottom and (b) NO ice or water machine."

Anyways

[safe dragon]

so a normal fridge

you just described every full size fridge I've ever used

[prisma flume]

i want normal-ass fridge and drawer/chest freezer

[steel kraken]

pretty much all the fridges I had growing up iirc was freezer on the top

the fridge I own now has freezer on the bottom and does have a unplumbed water dispenser and an ice maker

[safe dragon]

the smaller under counter fridges I've used all had the freezer at the top

[little furnace]

Is it complicated to find one? Do you need a PA doing that for you?

[sand frost]

I want a standalone non-chest freezer

This doesn’t seem to exist

[safe dragon]

what

my mom has one

[regal ingot]

"upright freezer" is the search term you want

[safe dragon]

I've never actually seen a chest freezer

not very Dutch to not optimize for the space it takes

[sand frost]

I haven’t looked very hard

Only at Costco

But I’ll keep this in mind

Don’t have space yet but hope to have soon

[regal ingot]

https://www.costco.com/upright-freezers.html

[sand frost]

I guess my Costco is too small to have these on display 🤔 these look very promising though!!

[prisma flume]

a chest freezer is more about power efficiency than space efficiency if that's what you mena

[sand frost]

My husband says we need a second fridge 😂 for my excess food buying habits

[prisma flume]

better insulation and thermal mass, less temperature gain on door opened, but harder to reach the back/bottom than an upright freezer

careful. my parents have like 10 fridges and freezers. it's a slippery slope

[cinder karma]

(Also why i want the freezer in the bottom in ny hypothetically perfect fridge(

Also I need to learn how to can

It's the lack of ice/water that can get annoying in the US

I legitimately dont want those they make the fridge less efficient and are a leakage risk

[sand frost]

Can you just not use them/take them out?

[cinder karma]

They basically are a hole in the insulation :(

[sand frost]

Trrribke

[devout vault]

Back in the couponing days, my family had 2 or 3 standalone freezers plus the one attached to the fridge, and it was still a struggle at times

One was a chest freezer

[devout vault]

My parents current fridge is two doors for the top refridgerating portion, and a drawer at the bottom for the freezer.

Not sure if it has ice? It doesn't have a water dispenser in the normal sense but does have this

Not sure if that would still cause the thermal hole you mean since it'd have to get the water still

[prisma flume]

my main issue with water/ice dispensers is they're a waste of fridge space compared to just having a glass/tray instead

but yes also ruins insulative efficiency

[devout vault]

Have you considered: I get yummy cold water, and never have to worry about refilling it?

[prisma flume]

i do not worry. i simply enjoy fresh not-stale crisp clean water 🙂‍↕️

my appetite for glasses of cool fresh water is timed exactly to match how long it takes for a glass of warm tap water to refridgerate

[devout vault]

I can tell if you're agreeing with me or saying "I'm better than you"

Ah, the latter

[prisma flume]

i'm agreeing but i am also better than (all of) you

[devout vault]

That should say can't*

smh me

[devout vault]

Ah, see, water often has to be refrigerated over night to be good enough for me, with the britta filters I had anyways. Hence why I had two

and then never filled them back up immediately despite that

The fridge water pictured above is much quicker for whatever reason

[prisma flume]

i don't bother with filters. i hope to become a rich mineral deposit

[devout vault]

(Still has to wait several hours if its been out or got refilled or something, though)

[devout vault]

Fossilized blueberries?

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7309 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1471675025298948127)

[cinder karma]

Also I swung by my local home depot and ch3cked out the fridges and since wheb was a fridge $1.5k USD

Also since when did you get carded for buying spray paint smh

[dusty pollen]

@cinder karma exapunks has assembly AND nonograms

[devout vault]

After his long spree of murdering Godot, Mozart has returned to the basic of any cat: murdering mice

(The glasses case wasn’t there previously, that’s how he pushed it off.)

(Can’t get his toeprints on the mouse itself. There’d be evidence)

[pliant snow]

are every single one of those knobs a separate drawer

[devout vault]

Yes.

Dad had it custom made for mom back before I was born (maybe even before my older brother was?), and she isn't using it at the moment (but I might in theory if I ever get back into circuit stuff like I want to)

Can't remember if there's 5 columns or 6

[pliant snow]

that is many drawers

[prisma flume]

is your dad an ancient chinese apothecary

[devout vault]

Not that I'm aware of 😛

And he had it made for mom. (no she isn't one either, as far as I know)

There was a specific thing she used it for, can't recall what they said that was

[prisma flume]

ancient chinese pharmaceuticals, presumably

[pliant snow]

mogwai

[cinder karma]

Yarn

Punchcards

[devout vault]

One of atra's guesses was very close to what I think I remember it being (but don't remember for sure)

Just asked, and yeah - it was for cross stitch floss

[uncut seal]

I would use the hell out of this for snacks

[prisma flume]

ancient chinese snacks ..

[cinder karma]

Smh

I'll eat the ancient Chinese snacks :P

[rain apex]

https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/pull/31132

An AI agent opened a PR, got rejected per policy, and then wrote a blog post on it (??)

[lethal walrus]

and then https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/pull/31138 was opened by (maybe the human? i cant tell)

[pliant snow]

oh I didn't know that part of the drama

[rain apex]

The original issue got closed bc no clear perf improvement

[safe dragon]

thankfully the AI just made up some benchmark numbers and showed an improvement

[cinder karma]

Oh, lol

[hidden nest]

I thought mark downs were allowed for your rank? Confusion!

[cinder karma]

Oh it was a markdown I assumed it was smth like a keyword in that post lol

Anyways, I think only mod authors (which i no longer am) have that

https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on-me/

This is what I was trying to forwarded

[pliant snow]

we cannot trust the plebians with markdown

they think too highly of themselves already

[safe dragon]

they shall get the ability to bold text and they should be happy

[pliant snow]

at level 4000, italics

[cinder karma]

Hey, if the rule is "you have to do work to get markdown on this server" I'm fine with not having markdown

It's only a 1hr timeout I wasn't even miffed, I only forwarded it to DH because I thought I hit a keyword I didnt know about

Hi bluebs!

[prisma flume]

you can prove you're capable of understanding markdown by publishing no fewer than 3 json files for a SMAPI framework mod of your choosing

[pliant snow]

My AI agent will be in contact with your AI agent to make that happen

[hidden nest]

Ah no, it was the image name regex stuff. I stand corrected

[safe dragon]

is being a professional software engineer enough or does it have to be smapi json

[prisma flume]

if it's on modding:community it's fair game

[safe dragon]

hrm

[cinder karma]

Clearly u should make ur own framework

[safe dragon]

a smapi competitor

that seems like a wonderful fruitful way to spend my time

[cinder karma]

https://youtu.be/Wm2h0cbvsw8?si=Ht-_Ufu1MC7gSCCc

[prisma flume]

right well that ai-generated hit piece article is worrying lol

it hadn't occurred to me that bots on the web might actively search out a network of personal information to collate

or that open-source projects are completely open to being bombarded to computer-generated waste commits

[pliant snow]

the fact that the guy showed up with his actual account and tried to get it merged implies that this AI is not as autonomous as he would lead us to believe

[prisma flume]

the article does describe that matplotlib requires a human in the loop to accept the request so he was at least aware the mr was in the works

[cinder karma]

Hey!

[safe dragon]

Gratz

it's your turn

[cinder karma]

Today is Friday the 13th!

[prisma flume]

today is saturday the 14th 🥳 timezones befall another programmer

[cinder karma]

I only respect utc

[safe dragon]

happy valentine's day!!!!

[prisma flume]

valentines day befalls another programmer

[cinder karma]

I'll just be going to the densest pile of single people....the gym

[safe dragon]

I'll be sitting at home

[rain apex]

🫀

[cinder karma]

I'm waiting for Casey to let me back in my steam account because I do want to see the leaderboards

[lethal walrus]

how is casey holding your steam captive from you

[lethal walrus]

ah

[cinder karma]

Ha!

It's Nature too

[prisma flume]

that does explain why i'm still playing a colourful baby farming game

happy 4th birthday to my brain

[pliant snow]

That 'might' is doing some heavy lifting

[crystal wren]

The conflation of brain ageing and dementia is also raising all of my red flags on that.

[safe dragon]

maybe could conceivably

my brain is actually 3 years younger than me cause I drink black tea

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by zoe.txt as #7315 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1471891561490157794)

[safe dragon]

damn I just fully assumed atra quoted me

[hardy jewel]

definitely Atra 🙂‍↕️

[safe dragon]

yes

[fleet wren]

I bought the first black tea that I liked a few weeks ago (Lapsang Souchong)
no offense to the brits

[devout vault]

Zoe why are you zoe.txt. You're an Artisan shouldn't it be zoe.png

[safe dragon]

and zoe.webp for april fools

[marble jewel]

zoe.gif as in jif

[supple ether]

Why not zoe.swf

[devout vault]

Because we're not fossils that are in the Flash age

and/or people who make skyrim UI mods, because for some awful reason skyrim uses swf for UI

(though I heard there's finally a replacement for that recently)

[supple ether]

You will drag me kicking and screaming out of the flash age

[pliant snow]

This is the modern age, we all embrace zoe.avif now

[cinder karma]

I dont remember the flash age

[supple ether]

How old are you atra

[devout vault]

(Said mod brings suffering webdev to the skyrim modders, of course: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/148718 )

[cinder karma]

Ancient. Too much coffee

[worn remnant]

skyrim using swf for its ui is the most cursed thing i have learned about a video game in a long time, thanks i hate it

[safe dragon]

how do I pronounce SKSE-powered?

[worn remnant]

like SCSI ("scuzzy"), perhaps

[safe dragon]

I just realized this is a web framework... for skyrim

not even skyrim is safe

[worn remnant]

presumably the real answer is "ess kay ess ee"

[safe dragon]

I'm going with sexy-powered framework

cause that's what it sounds like if you try to just pronounce it as if it's a word

[supple ether]

currently investigating the possibility of having a godot-bound C# class with a dynamic method list. interop crimes.

[lethal walrus]

i am surprisingly enjoying calling c++ from js

[little furnace]

I get it, you're using "enjoy" together in a sentence with "C++" and "JS" because it's a double negative, right?

[lethal walrus]

No it's actually reasonably pleasant

[devout vault]

No that's on a very different website

(is very real though)

[devout vault]

oooooo what for?

Have you seen https://2dog.dev/

[supple ether]

oooo interesting

[lethal walrus]

casey this is your fault btw, your implementation doesnt crash my browser (unlike my own one lol) /lh

[supple ether]

I want to use expressions for embedded scripting (similar to gsqs and tractions) but I want to allow defining query/action methods at runtime to support modding

these https://docs.godotengine.org/en/stable/tutorials/scripting/evaluating_expressions.html

[devout vault]

When did I ever do this

[lethal walrus]

your tbin lib

[devout vault]

spooky

[devout vault]

Oh I thought you meant me calling C++ from JS

[lethal walrus]

ah

[waxen cliff]

Does someone happen to know where I can undo this "trust this domain" setting on discord?
Apparently I breathed so hard my phone thought I tapped "yes" right before confirming to go to nexus, and I can't find the setting to revert that D:
And online guides only say some stuff about ctrl+shift+i which doesn't do anything ._.

I know there used to be something for that but I can't find it anymore.

[lament osprey]

Are you on iOS coincidentally?

[waxen cliff]

Android

[lament osprey]

And have you tried it on the browser version? The whole ctrl+shift+i thing, I’m seeing someone else who can’t get it to work inside the app

[waxen cliff]

Like I said, that doesn't do shit

[lament osprey]

[waxen cliff]

That's so frustrating that discord seemingly removes basic security and safety features -_-

[tacit night]

have you tried deleting the app, and reinstalling it; logging out and logging back in? It might reset the settings

[lament osprey]

But but but There’s 1 solution that only works in specific conditions

[waxen cliff]

I hoped I don't have to do that. But I guess I've got no choice

[tacit night]

if theres a way to clear the cashe on android discord that might work too

[waxen cliff]

I've browsed through the setting thrice on pc and phone each but can find anything remotely related

[waxen cliff]

I did. Twice via phone settings, once via discord developer mod.
Didn't do anything

[lament osprey]

Yikes

[tacit night]

yeah I think it's saved in the cache

[waxen cliff]

And how do I get there?

Like, where is that?

[tacit night]

that's on web tools, I don't have an android phone

[waxen cliff]

and yay, I reinstalled but can't login because "a wild error appeared"

thanks for telling me what went wrong on your end discord

[lament osprey]

Discord going downhill fr

[tacit night]

1. open settings
2. click apps
3. click discord
4. click clear cashe

[little furnace]

I could set up a Matrix server for this community if anyone's interested.

On second thought, no, I don't want to do that for 350,000 people.

[waxen cliff]

what settings? What apps?

And like I said earlier, I cleared cache thrice now on my phone

well, reinstalling helped at least. (I don't know why logging in again resets chat/accessibility settings)

thanks either way

[little furnace]

Controversial opinion, but the best decisions Discord has ever made were reverted due to public demand. And now they keep making bad decisions.

[lament osprey]

But were they the best decisions if the public didn’t want them

[little furnace]

Everything is subjective, so I say yes.

[hardy jewel]

Blame Crumb, he suggested it

[crystal wren]

Go zoe.com and confuse everyone below a certain age.

[safe dragon]

wtf

I did?

[devout vault]

They'll just think zoe has a website

[crystal wren]

Exactly!

[hardy jewel]

you did when the new username system came out

[safe dragon]

I have gone into the past and you're wrong. I was not the one who suggested it it was oog

[hardy jewel]

what!

[safe dragon]

I suggested zoey

🙏

[hardy jewel]

omg you're right

I take back my comment don't blame crumb

[devout vault]

.quote add "I have into the past and you're wrong." Crumble

[heavy dagger]

Please use 💬 reactions to add quotes. Or .quote add "text" - userid:### nick

[devout vault]

dangit uber

[crystal wren]

I'm still gonna blame him, I think.

[devout vault]

.quote add "I have into the past and you're wrong." - crumblestiltskin Crumble

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #7328 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1471999703670460642)

[safe dragon]

at least don't quote my sentence incorrecly

[devout vault]

.q 7328

[heavy dagger]

#7328

I have into the past and you're wrong.

• crumblestiltskin Crumble (Jump)

Feb 13, 2026, 10:41 PM

[safe dragon]

nooo

you missed a word

[devout vault]

oh no

[hardy jewel]

how did you miss a word twice

[devout vault]

.q remove 7328

[heavy dagger]

Quote deleted.

[devout vault]

copy paste

[safe dragon]

how

[devout vault]

ctrl+C and ctrl+V

[red crest]

now you're just rewriting history too

[safe dragon]

oh as in you copy pasted your own message not mine

[devout vault]

.quote add "I have gone into the past and you're wrong." - crumblestiltskin Crumble

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #7329 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1471999882695803012)

[devout vault]

yes

.q 7329

[heavy dagger]

#7329

I have gone into the past and you're wrong.

• crumblestiltskin Crumble (Jump)

Feb 13, 2026, 10:42 PM

[devout vault]

...

[safe dragon]

crumblestiltskin Crumble...

[devout vault]

did the uber docs lie to me

[safe dragon]

yes

[devout vault]

.8ball did the uber docs lie to me

[heavy dagger]

You bet ;)

[safe dragon]

here

I have gone into the past and you're wrong.

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #7330 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1472000083703762996)

[devout vault]

.q remove 7329

[heavy dagger]

Quote deleted.

[safe dragon]

now zoe's false accusation is recorded

[devout vault]

Almost two screens worth of messages of me fighting quotebot

(of my screen)

[long verge]

I always wonder how people remember quote id among 7K+ quotes

[hardy jewel]

💔

[safe dragon]

btw people in that conversation also recommended alternatives like zoe.jpg and you decided to go with zoe.txt anyway

[devout vault]

Most people don't. But before governor allowed mod authors to make custom commands, we used quotes for it

[safe dragon]

you have no one else to blame

[marble jewel]

You don't remember, you just go into #governors-mansion and quote 1 to current until you find the one you're looking for

[cinder karma]

Fun fact

[safe dragon]

(use .quote list)

[cinder karma]

There are quotes that note useful other quotes

There is also a gist.

[hardy jewel]

zoe.txt makes sense because this is a text platform

[safe dragon]

actually it's a multimedia platform

[devout vault]

Discord supports embeds

[hardy jewel]

oh hush

[devout vault]

Also you literally have an image in your nick

(emoji, which I think counts)

[little furnace]

Emoji is text nowadays.

[safe dragon]

nah that's just unicode

[cinder karma]

Emoji is text

Anyways

[hardy jewel]

if you search back my username it's kind of like a text file

[cinder karma]

The important question

How is Mozart.

[hardy jewel]

I don't solely communicate in images

so!

[devout vault]

sleeping

[long verge]

Everything is a file.

[little furnace]

Yeah, no. I'm a sceptic, I won't accept such statements without visual proof.

[marble jewel]

I'm a file, can you open me?

[cinder karma]

Everything is a text file if you can read xxd

[marble jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/meet-the-fockers-nipples-milk-me-greg-robert-deniro-gif-14876822

[little furnace]

Everything is electricity.

[cinder karma]

What

[little furnace]

Yay. Thank you.

[cinder karma]

D'awwwww

Is that kermit

[safe dragon]

that looks closer to that guy from the cut the rope games than kermit

[little furnace]

To me it looks like a cat.

[devout vault]

no

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cutelootadventures/lootcats-gelatinous-cat-plushie

[cinder karma]

Adorable

[long verge]

Is the plushie gelatinous ?
or only the cat

[safe dragon]

it'd take a lot of effort to give jello such a diffuse fuzzy lighting effect

[lament osprey]

This is a good question

[cinder karma]

Anyways

It's the Friday before Valentines Day

Anyone doing anything of interest

I checked our holiday schedule and our next bank holiday is literally memorial day

[long verge]

Absolutely not

[rain apex]

I had chocolat

Weeb chocolat

[cinder karma]

Fucking adorable

I want to make truffles but there arent enough people in my life who will eat the truffles

I also want to make pizza

[rain apex]

More for yourself

[long verge]

Just waiting to see if people will remember that valentines day is actually valentine saints day

[cinder karma]

I dont want to eat the truffles either tbh