programmers-off-topic

[sand frost]

is this like handing your phone to a friend so you don't call someone

[cinder karma]

Thank u for letting me out of jail

[hardy jewel]

@cinder karma sorry about that, numbers in your link tripped the scam filter

[cinder karma]

Lol, really?

[hardy jewel]

[cinder karma]

I thought it was just a discord link lol

[hardy jewel]

it was but our regex is crazy to try to block specific images

[devout vault]

At some point atra said they aren't gonna log in to steam again until the mod is ready

Wait no, it was actually a vote

[sand frost]

ah, it's like being held hostage

but reverse hostage?

[devout vault]

It wasn't even me who made the vote

I tried to post the link but got smited

[cinder karma]

Dont worry i dm'ed link to Elizabeth

It was funny at the time

[cinder karma]

So which of these have a leader board u can compete with your friends on

[fleet wren]

almost all of them

[little furnace]

I finally managed to optimize this for size.

[zenith wharf]

Is that your game?

[little furnace]

Nope, it's apparently the local channel's favorite game at the moment.

[zenith wharf]

Oh

Okay I didn't know

[little furnace]

It's highly therapeutic playing it while cuddling with a cat.

[zenith wharf]

I'll keep that in mind

[little furnace]

I forgot how it's started, but it seems like every two weeks somebody new starts playing the game.

[zenith wharf]

It seems it's not for everyone

But it looks relaxing

[cinder karma]

Cat!

[zenith wharf]

:3

[dusty pollen]

(last call bbs is nice. it's like a bunch of mini zachtronics)

(one of which atra would like)

[cinder karma]

(Atra wojld like a cat picture)

[little furnace]

I'm running out of pictures, would you like an audio file of my purring cat?

[cinder karma]

Oh wow, like a little motor

💖

[little furnace]

He's the best. We kinda raised him like a dog, always giving him all the attention and making sure he grows up attached to his family. It kinda backfired because now he can't get enough cuddles. But he's cute.

[cobalt shore]

awwwwwww kitty engine go brrrrrrr

I just successfully coded, installed and got my little python bot working

it's a cafe run by Gus and you can get coffee, bao buns, tea, croissants, and if you use a recipe command it'll pull from pinned recipes in the chat and give one to you at random

It took me all day

[steel kraken]

the meowtery engine sounds are something I can't get enough of

[devout vault]

(fun fact: at least on desktop, you can play both of those at the same time)

You know those captchas they definitely use for image recognition training? Apparently they've upgraded them. And by upgraded, I mean downgraded, because what the heck is this?

[lethal walrus]

well theyre now supposed to be too hard for image recognition i guess

[lament osprey]

They leveled up the difficulty 😂

[safe dragon]

alright what do I actually have to do

damn it I was on image 2

[crystal wren]

Sorry, we got your crypto again.

[safe dragon]

another 2700 dollars I missed out on

[crystal wren]

I think the days of these being AutoMod-able are over.

[safe dragon]

rough

[devout vault]

-# skissue

[cinder karma]

https://youtu.be/JfiTSt16H_8?si=W6KoKJ0tn7sB8dh7

Hey crumble if you're interested in free money boy do I have the deal for you ||credit card/bank account churning||

Marcus actually has a pretty good one if you happen to have $50k USD cash rn

Which i don't

[safe dragon]

I have uh

2 usd in cash

[long verge]

MacOS propaganda

[safe dragon]

only Linux propaganda allowed here

[cinder karma]

If i liquidate some of my intermediate term bonds I can come up with $50k cash so it might be worth it

[safe dragon]

why does free money cost so much money

[long verge]

I use arch btw

[cinder karma]

Bank churning works that way, it's weird

[safe dragon]

I googled it and it sounds questionably legal

[cinder karma]

You usually have to make an account, redirect some direct deposit there, transfer some pretty sizable amount of money, and then leave it for three months

It's fully legal!

It's a bonus paid on the interest to incentive to open an account

[safe dragon]

ngl I'd be far too lazy to do that

why cash

[cinder karma]

Usually I am too but the Marcus deal is $750 rn

[safe dragon]

there are no physical banks in my city anymore

what am I gonna do with cash

[long verge]

Really ?

[safe dragon]

none as far as I'm aware yeah

[dusty pollen]

atra if you ever get hacked how are we supposed to know. the hacker will tell us about a make money quick scheme and we’d just go “oh here atra goes again” /lh

[safe dragon]

there's ATMs of course

[cinder karma]

Not cash as a physical bill

Cash as in USD, so not a bond or smth

[long verge]

Damn that’s crazy

[safe dragon]

oh

well I still only have 2 dollars either way

[cinder karma]

I cant speak for all Americans but I try not to hold money in cash, I go to bonds of various safety

And duration

[safe dragon]

I don't think most Americans I know have savings

[long verge]

There’s at least 4 banks in my city (<10k residents city)

[cinder karma]

Ah, yes, the make money quick scheme of bank interest

[dusty pollen]

quick is relative!

[cinder karma]

Next thing I'll be selling is the magic of compound interest

[safe dragon]

none in mine (80k people)

[dusty pollen]

well that HAS to be a scam, why would banks allow that? /j

[safe dragon]

well there's several bank office buildings

Just can't enter em

[long verge]

How do you do when you receive cash or checks ?

[cinder karma]

You can just scan checks now with your bank app

Also I last got a check in like, 2022

[safe dragon]

checks have been illegal in my country for almost my entire life other than international checks to deal with Americans and the French

[cinder karma]

Illegal. What

[safe dragon]

they're not considered a safe form of payment

[cinder karma]

We still have plenty of physical banks

I just never go in

Last time I went to a bank it was for a coffee, actually

[safe dragon]

as for cash, you can put them in the ATMs to transfer it to your account

[long verge]

Yeah in France they’re still a « popular » way to pay. Most of small shops don’t accept checks tho, but really useful to give money to your family for birthday and stuff

[safe dragon]

you know it's French cause of the «» quotation

[safe dragon]

cash (or gift cards) here

[devout vault]

I get checks for birthdays/christmas, but that's about it

Mainly from my grandmother

[safe dragon]

but yeah all banks dropped support for checks a long time ago here cause they're easy to commit fraud with and they're expensive to process

[cinder karma]

My grandmother tries to give me money

Through alipay

I feel bad taking money from her though

[devout vault]

I'm seeing a reddit thread where everybody is trashing Pizza Hut for being as expensive as "normal" options and still awful, and I'm just sitting here thinking:

• Are you people paying menu price for pizzas and not using the basically-everlasting mix and match $6.99-each deal?
• To me doesn't taste as awful as people are saying. It's one of my favorite "fast food pizzas". And I'm seeing a lot of people say "especially the sauce", but the sauce is my favorite part...

The only menu item they really had above dominos was stuffed crust, but dominos has that now. And Pizza Hut got rid of their old crust seasoning options, and also only allows it on large ones, so they really don't have much else unique anymore besides that their reward system is much better than dominos

Atra why a hug react. This isn't something bad happening, it's just me being bewildered

Is it because I have bad taste

[cobalt shore]

I am also bewildered at the hate on Pizza Hut

[tranquil grove]

ime, every pizza chain varies wildly by location, so it's hard to have strong opinions at all

[devout vault]

Except this has been the case for multiple here where I am, and the one I tried in chicago

[tranquil grove]

(the pizza hut here isn't good, but I do get liking their sauce, my sibling always did)

[devout vault]

And I think the MS one too, whenever the last time I visited there.

[cobalt shore]

I like Pizza Hut. We usually get Papa Johns cuz it's, like, a 2 minute drive but I don't think Pizza Hut has ever really done me dirty.

[devout vault]

And maybe the seattle one I tried once, if that was Pizza Hut?

[supple ether]

Dominos has a gluten-free crust but pizza hut doesn't afaik

[long verge]

[fleet wren]

I used to live in Boston, and I will say that if the Domino's/Pizza Hut corporate cyberpunk war happens I will sign up on the frontlines as Domino's strongest soldier

[devout vault]

The worst pizza hut has ever done is that time I got delivered a five cheese mac and cheese, with no noodles

I'm very confused on how that happened

[supple ether]

Although IMO unless you're getting fancy pizza, frozen pizza is better anyways

[cinder karma]

Boston proud

[devout vault]

(They redelivered a proper one, so free tasty cheese sauce)

[tranquil grove]

though speaking of menu price, Marco's is nice because they never disable the 30% off code

[devout vault]

Dominos and pizza hut both always have a $6.99-each 2-or-more deal

[tranquil grove]

I never had good luck with those, though I should probably try the non-thin kind

[supple ether]

Really? How do you bake them? I find that can make a real difference

[tranquil grove]

gas oven, though it's entirely possible I got the temps wrong back then

[devout vault]

I dunno, something about actual places to order from just feels different.

Also, half the fun is the other stuff. 😛 I like pizza hut's cheese sticks for example, and their cinnabon mini rolls on the rare occasions I get it. And dominos stuffed cheesy bread, and five cheese mac and cheese, are amazing

[devout vault]

I've been curious about their calzones.

Maybe I should get one for lunch today...

[supple ether]

Well I can't eat any of that stuff

[safe dragon]

pizza hut went bankrupt twice in the Netherlands and then left so I have little to say that isn't like 15 years out of date

[devout vault]

Marcos is the closest pizza place to where I am right now. Dominos/pizza hut is like twice the distance

[devout vault]

My condolences

[devout vault]

the what now

[safe dragon]

I have a domino's practically outside my window

[tranquil grove]

pretty good the one time I tried 'em, though I slightly prefer the plain pizza shape
(ftr, save30 is the online code that always works)

[devout vault]

(I do occasionally see silly stuff from the dominos page on my facebook feed, on the rare occasion I check it )

[cinder karma]

I need to make a pizza stone

[supple ether]

There's a Domino's by my local library, so once in a great while I like to treat myself with pizza and a book in the park

[safe dragon]

this has not been good for my health btw I try to not get it anymore

[cinder karma]

Anyways

My preference is actually the Costco pizza

[devout vault]

The big reason I prefer pizza hut is the better rewards program

[cinder karma]

One slice, $2

[devout vault]

Dominos gives you 10 points for an order over $5. No matter how expensive the order ends up being, it will be just 10 points.

[supple ether]

Homemade pizza is so much better than restaurant or frozen pizza, but it's also a lot of work. Aside from that, my favorite is freschetta

[devout vault]

If you could do $5 orders as carry out, it might turn out better. But if you're ordering more - and it's hard not to given the price and deals-requiring-multiple-things stuff - pizza hut is much better

[cinder karma]

I need to do this

[devout vault]

My mom used to make homemade pizza, and her sauce was my favorite I've ever had.

[cinder karma]

I'm very much into bread these days

[devout vault]

Second favorite? Pizza hut

[tranquil grove]

I should get one of those frozen loaves again, it's been a while

[cobalt shore]

I made sourdough whole wheat pizza today - no regrets

[tranquil grove]

though I just end up eating most of it the moment it's ready

[cobalt shore]

but I cannot do stuffed crust yet - I'll happily pay someone else to do that part for me rn

[cinder karma]

I have very strong opinions on US labor

[cobalt shore]

If I make bread it is gone that day

[tranquil grove]

never thought about doing those myself, it sounds rough

[supple ether]

I like thin crust anyways

[devout vault]

uh oh, you mentioned sourdough around current atra

[cinder karma]

The very strong opinions is that US labor is extremely expensive and I get quite a bit of value of doing things myself lol

[cobalt shore]

I love making stuff myself

especially brad

bread

[cinder karma]

On my list!

[safe dragon]

I got my food processor today, maybe this conversation is a sign I should make pizza

[devout vault]

Stuffed crust pizza is best pizza

[supple ether]

I wish I had more time and money to make things myself

[devout vault]

(And as I've said before, chicago deep dish "pizza" is NOT pizza)

[supple ether]

I think it would be fun to do homemade kombucha

[cobalt shore]

I made a wonderful little shallot wheat loaf for my husbands coworker yesterday

I MISS MY KOMBUCHA

It's incredibly fun

I don't know if there's a great place to find a scoby nearby though TT

[cinder karma]

My mom does this!!!!

[devout vault]

(Important quote from last time I mentioned this)

.q 6417

[heavy dagger]

No quote found. Wow, chat more, losers.

[safe dragon]

my confession is that I don't know what kombucha is

[devout vault]

huh??

WHO PURGED

[fleet wren]

speaking of making things i should make pho again this week

[cobalt shore]

mmmmmmm pho is so good

[cinder karma]

When am I invited over for dinner

[devout vault]

@ junimos I DEMAND TO KNOW WHO PURGED THAT QUOTE

[cobalt shore]

Reminding me I have udon noodles I should turn into ginger miso

[safe dragon]

While it is named after the Japanese term for kelp tea in English, the two drinks have no relation.

[devout vault]

...I can't post the message link or I'll get smited again

[fleet wren]

(photo that I only shared elsewhere the last time)

[cobalt shore]

H'oh man that looks INCREDIBLE

[safe dragon]

nice

[tranquil grove]

as is customary with JP->EN loan words

(I also hadn't looked up what kombucha* is, but that sounds right)

[fleet wren]

same lol, she has jars of the stuff
i wanted to bite the floating colony discs thing

[devout vault]

also im hungry now

[cinder karma]

It is lunchtime eastern

[devout vault]

Indeed

currently opening up marcos to ponder the calzone

[safe dragon]

go ponder the calzone

[cinder karma]

I should do hand pulled noodles again but guess who booked out their entire weekend and then GOT SICk like an idiot

[devout vault]

I have three monitors. I can multitask

[tranquil grove]

my dad's been into their ghost pepper cheese-bread thing lately

[cobalt shore]

Mmmmmm cheese bread

[tranquil grove]

which is also cheap and easy to reheat, so we grab a stock sometimes

[devout vault]

The Pizzoli looks interesting too

[tranquil grove]

(I should get back into the habit of actually cooking, but y'know)

[cinder karma]

Ghost pepper cheese bread

Damn

On the list

[devout vault]

Well, this just confirmed my suspicion that the calzones are priced weird

[cinder karma]

(The list is a to-make list)

It's after the calzones

[tranquil grove]

it's a temporary item anyway iirc, so that's for the best

[cinder karma]

You know I lived in North Carolina, right?

I also used to live in Boston

[cobalt shore]

Sometimes I miss NC

Mostly I miss cookout

[cinder karma]

God, cookout

A full day's of calories for $5

[tranquil grove]

I always forget regional meal stuff
in chicago it's just like "deep dish pizza exists if you look hard enough"
(ig disclaimer that I've always been a vegetarian, so stuff like hotdogs is off my radar )

[cobalt shore]

Cookout kept me going on 2 corn dogs and a blueberry cheesecake milkshake

(yes, like an animal I dip my corndogs INTO the shake)

[cinder karma]

Selph, I have to ask

Boston proper or Cambridge

[fleet wren]

Dorchester

[dark veldt]

That is some nice looking Pho Ga

With fried onions? Garlic? (In the background)

[fleet wren]

dried shrimps actually! but there's a jar of dried onions too

[dark veldt]

Mmmmmmm

🤤

[devout vault]

onions

[fleet wren]

someone dont like free flavors in their food

[cinder karma]

Looks lovely

On the list for summer (when the Thai basil blooms)

[devout vault]

flavors is normally fine, it's the free texture that's problematic, but by now onion flavor has the same reaction just by association

[safe dragon]

weak

[cinder karma]

Selph do u use dried onions

I am Not Going to buy a dehydrator TM but

Help at work we have a stupid issue.

1. The open box of chips has no good chips left
2. No one wants to open the new box until the old box is gone
3. The old box only has bad chips now.
4. No one wants to eat those chips

[devout vault]

Go see if anyone at the next office over (if it's that kind of work space) wants the bad chips

[sand frost]

I hear that’s where the best Vietnamese food is

[fleet wren]

it has a very sizable population of Viet immigrants!

lots of my relatives there

[sand frost]

One of my roommates when I lived in Boston is Vietnamese so they would make the pilgramage out there occasionally

and come back having eaten much pho

[fleet wren]

I meant fried shallots

[quasi lintel]

Weird question.. but does anyone know a decent program/way for copying disk partitions between separate disks?

[fleet wren]

gparted?

[pliant snow]

Unless they're exactly the same size, my suggestion is to use rsync or something similar to copy the files themselves over

[quasi lintel]

I'm trying to move the efi partition to my SSD, so I'm looking for the easiest way to do that

[long verge]

Can’t you just recreate an efi partition ?

[quasi lintel]

That's also an option

[prisma flume]

putting the pho in photo 🥬

how am i meant to tell who's english and who's american when you're in places like dorchester and cambridge

[cinder karma]

Just look at when we are awake bluebs

[hardy jewel]

too many american's here have the sleep schedule of an australian

you see them around during hours that are only reasonably sane for us and a few others but then they hit you with the "it's 3am here I'm so tired" and then you feel betrayed

and then that overlaps with the brits who are usually at work or school during similar hours but may throw a fake trail and not be at either of those things

like how dare they

[prisma flume]

oh to be an unemployed brit confusing people worldwide with my identical place names

[cinder karma]

Bluebs

Secretly

Selph is ||Canadian||

[cinder karma]

Selph do u know french

[fleet wren]

non

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7248 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1469524453183455305)

[steel kraken]

I at least used to have the identical place name to pretend to being british and my microsoft account is .co.uk because 17 years ago Microsofts geoip stuff was drunk and didn't let me pick the correct tld and so I do get some fun british spam/phishing mail

[dusty pollen]

the partition layout or contents?

[dusty pollen]

easy, is there an "elite" uni in their Cambridge-- wait

[safe dragon]

can't even know if they're in canada or the UK if someone says they live in london

what a scam

[prisma flume]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_(disambiguation)
notable mentions include london, kiribati and london, outer space

i'm not surprised that america has about ten, but i am surprised france has one

[safe dragon]

I can't even say I live in the Netherlands cause there's also one in Missouri

This is where I've been living this entire time

please ignore that there's effectively no remaining inhabitants in this area

[prisma flume]

wonder if the people living around there are conscious all the place names are french

[quasi lintel]

Uhh.. not sure? 😅 I need to move my EFI partition between disks, but I'll probably just create a new one after all, since from what I've read just moving it wouldn't be enough anyway

[dusty pollen]

if you want to copy what's on it, make a partition that's the same size and use dd!

dd copies the actual bits of a drive/device exactly as they are to another drive/device

but yeah I think for efi you should make a new one tbh because who knows what will end up happening

[crystal wren]

[EFI scary](#programmers-off-topic message).

[quasi lintel]

Luckily enough if I mess something up, I can just reconnect the HDD with the working EFI partition 😅 Probably...

[crystal wren]

In my case, it was specifically removing the drive and turning the PC on that made the motherboard forget the perfectly functional EFI partition existed in the first place.

Just had to boot into a Linux live CD and remind it that way.

[quasi lintel]

Huh, interesting

I already did that and it worked thankfully

[quasi lintel]

Creating new EFI thankfully worked without issue

[devout vault]

updates visual studio 2022 to hopefully fix a weird bug I've been having

[safe dragon]

vscode recently warned me that Setup detected that Setup was running

very profound

[cinder karma]

Look, no one says they live in Cambridge, Massachusetts

At best you get "boston"

[devout vault]

Game Changer has this ongoing bit where they occasionally ask Sam (the host) where he is from, and he says Cambridge, Massachusetts every time

So, at least one person does (did?) say that

[cinder karma]

https://youtu.be/psjExhXfvbI?si=77oqr9cBCZkrEWXf

[heavy dagger]

@devout vault: actually actually do the lookup people thingy, and I surely won't have forgotten what that means by then (1mo ago)

[devout vault]

I have not forgotten (I think). But I am lazy

[devout vault]

remind me in 1 month to try again

[heavy dagger]

Ugh really, you're gonna make me remind you for THAT? This is going to ruin the world tour... (#7061719) (1mo | <t:1772925577>)

[devout vault]

(and by "lazy", I mean "focused on other code stuff right now")

[frosty pond]

Has anyone here ever modded/made a game with unity?

[devout vault]

unity modding

There are unity games with large modding communities. I think they normally use BepinEx (rather than directly with dnspy that you had mentioned in the other channel)

I assume there are established tools people use for extracting the asset bundles

[cobalt shore]

I think so too, like I think that's how Slime Rancher 2 does it

[devout vault]

Same for Valheim and Risk of Rain 2, I think

Is Cities Skylines 1 unity?

I think it's something C#

[cobalt shore]

Supermarket Simulator definitely uses BepinEx but I can't remember if it's a Unity game

[tall cave]

RoR2 is definitely BepinEx. I use a lot of mods for that as well.

What game are you actually looking at?

[tranquil grove]

wp says both 1 and 2 are unity, yeah

[cyan shadow]

Silksong, too!

[red crest]

If a game's modding community is very Thunderstore based, its probably Unity and BepInEx.

[frosty pond]

I'd heard of BepinEx before but I hadn't realized it was a tool similar to DnSpy!

I'll download and look through it

[devout vault]

It's not, it's a modloader

You'd compile your own csproj against it and the game you are editing, and run code there. Rather than editing the base game directly (which is still mostly possible via the Harmony library)

For decompiling code I usually use ILSpy, not dnSpy

[frosty pond]

is there a specific reason why you like it more?

[devout vault]

Just what I'm used to

I don't think I've actually used dnspy hardly any

If I'm doing anything beyond a quick search, I'll use ILSpy to export it to a proper project, and then search in VS

[prisma flume]

ILspy has had some stardew-specific changes made to better decompile the game, so if you ask in this server it's generally what everyone uses

[red crest]

(Wait, it has? What kinds of changes?)

[prisma flume]

(at a quick glance, https://github.com/icsharpcode/ILSpy/issues/2222, though i'm sure there's more here and there)

[steel kraken]

That being said, unless im looking at the wrong thing, DNSpy looks be archived/abandoned and hasn't been touched since nov/dec 2020

[red crest]

There is dnSpyEx

The fork slash continuation

https://github.com/dnSpyEx/dnSpy

[prisma flume]

no relation to bepin, i presume

[steel kraken]

ah so will suffer the same fate as other things with the ex suffix and specializes on Unity so wouldn't be ideal on stuff that is actually .NET core based (.net5+)

[red crest]

Dunno! It is what I used last time I used Bepinex for modding though, and for the start of my stardew modding

It does actually decompile some methods better than ilspy I find in Stardew

Dialogue.parseDialogueString() is actually pretty readable when decompiled with dnSpyEx

(... Not perfect, though. That function never will be, I fear)

[devout vault]

How bad is it

[steel kraken]

ah ilspy gets trapped on transcribing optimizations

or at least I hope the original source didn't look like it

[prisma flume]

truly i wish ilspy could reasonably reverse-engineer string-keyed switch expression optimisations

[red crest]

ILSpy vs dnSpyEx

[prisma flume]

i love navigating s.length == 3 && s[0] == 'c' && s[1] == 'a' && s != "caterpillar" && s[2] != p'

[red crest]

s is not Horse

[prisma flume]

even the dnspy example has c <= 'e' and that makes me a little upset

[devout vault]

huh

[red crest]

I did also like using dnSpy originally for learning transpilers, since it lets me edit the method within dnSpy using normal C# and recompile it back and let me see what the resulting IL should be

[devout vault]

Well if it helps, the vanilla code isn't nearly that bad. It even uses the constants of the class 😛

[steel kraken]

tbh I don't mind ILSpy being technically correct here as long as it still works.

I guess I should look into documenting some of the places ILSpy is getting actually wrong that results in compile errors to see if they can be improved

[red crest]

And vice versa, I can insert instructions manually and see what it'd turn the C# representation into

[prisma flume]

sure, it's fine that it gives a functional result, but it's barely readable or usable

especially combined with the goto statements it coughs up

but i'm also quite a lazy reader and i don't have the patience for mentally rebuilding these strings and execution flows

[red crest]

at least give me the ability to click on the goto or the address it is going-to so I dont have to scroll up and down a bunch

[prisma flume]

by all means write a visual studio extension

[red crest]

No 😌

Too far beyond my skillset+freetime combo or else I mightve been nerdsnipable

[prisma flume]

vscode extension, my final offer

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7253 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1469874603286331466)

[steel kraken]

tbh I've stopped using ilspy as a VS extension and install it standalone now as I want to use ilspy more often then I want to actually use vs

[prisma flume]

.q @prisma flume

[heavy dagger]

#6326

sleep all night, hoe all day

• @prisma flume (Jump)

Mar 5, 2025, 1:09 PM

[prisma flume]

wisdom.

[steel kraken]

.q @steel kraken

[heavy dagger]

#7061

atra trys nerdsnipe people all the time whats the harm when I do it

• @steel kraken (Jump)

Jan 22, 2026, 1:47 AM

[steel kraken]

relevant quote, good job ub3r

[prisma flume]

i generally only use the ilspy app itself rather than the extension, i'd generally rather have it always visible as a reference when writing transpilers

[cinder karma]

Fine I'll go to bed

[devout vault]

I've never used ILSpy as a VS extension

[red crest]

I actually didn't know ILSpy had a VS extension at all and was a little confused why blueberry said it but didn't want to look totally clueless in front of the cool cats in #programmers-off-topic

[cinder karma]

The only cool cat in #programmers-off-topic is mozart

[prisma flume]

hey button you could totally change the channel name back to #programming-off-topic as practice for being a cool moderator

[cinder karma]

(I was hoping for cat picturesl

But it's okay

[prisma flume]

we can change it to #cat-picturesl if you want but that'll be the novelty rename spent for the month

[hardy jewel]

Apple Bois can't edit channels

what do u have against programmers off topic

[prisma flume]

hey zoe you could totally change the channel name back to #programming-off-topic as practice for being a cool moderator

[hardy jewel]

you guys almost never talk about programming

this gives you more freedom!

[devout vault]

Freedom is less fun when its sanctioned 😔

[prisma flume]

but the decompiler discussion

[rain apex]

can we name this programming-and-cats

[hardy jewel]

banned

[prisma flume]

cat is a perfectly valid terminal command

[rain apex]

theres strong evidence that most regulars in this channel are programming cats

[prisma flume]

such a brief bloom...

[regal ingot]

Shit, they're on to us!
uh... I mean... meow?

[little furnace]

Funfact: Cats learned to meow by imitating human babies. They only do that when they want to get a human's attention. Among cats, they either use body language or other sounds like growling, hissing or purring.

[prisma flume]

this raises a few questions when you consider that cheetahs can meow

[devout vault]

I thought they did that as kittens with each other, too

[little furnace]

Cheetahs are actually held very close to humans in some parts of the world. After all, they aren't classified as big cats. So maybe they picked it up there and passed it on.

[cobalt shore]

I swear to y'all I used to communicate about feeding time in the morning with my husbands late cat. She'd come yowl at me for breakfast and I'd meow back and we had a whole language.

[devout vault]

Yeah it's common for cat owners to be able to identify what their cats want based on the meow

[little furnace]

I believe you because I do the same.

[devout vault]

I know I'm able to

[cobalt shore]

There was "good morning I would like food" and then there was "okay you got your extra 15 minutes breakfast plz"

[devout vault]

I saw a study once that seemed to infer that it wasn't necessarily transferable to other cats, though. So your cat's food meow vs. attention meow would be different than another's

[cobalt shore]

That makes sense to me, Oontz meows didn't work on the other cat in the house, MooCow, those were different meow systems

[cinder karma]

Void in cube

[hardy jewel]

cheetahs just don't have strong vocal cords so they're too weak to roar or anything

[cinder karma]

I spent too long thinking your avatar was a cat

[cobalt shore]

I'm glad I'm not the only one

[little furnace]

I believe that as well. Most people think my cat wants food when he's really desparate although he actually really wants to get picked up and cuddled with.

[devout vault]

Fun(?) fact - the ability to meow/purr is mutually exclusive from roaring. So roaring big cats can't meow/purr.

(If I remember right)

[cobalt shore]

ooooh interesting

[hardy jewel]

the human babies thing with cats is not really a widely held theory
some scientists believe that it's a part of domestication since cats during that time would have gotten more attention by making similar sounds
but most don't seem to believe that

[steel kraken]

purring is still a thing, was just the meow and roar iirc

[little furnace]

Big cats can't purr while inhaling.

[cobalt shore]

Caracals can meow but are more prone to growling/hissing

[devout vault]

The very first link I found on google before I sent it agreed with me: https://www.wildcatsanctuary.org/do-big-cats-roar-or-purr/

[steel kraken]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tUlamhWNYo

[hardy jewel]

Yeah that's how their species are defined, their vocal boxes are distinct

[cobalt shore]

That's so cool!

[little furnace]

Yay, the name changed. I agree with the current name.

Hey!

[prisma flume]

i daresay this raises yet more questions when you consider that mountain lions can scream

[cobalt shore]

-# oh

[steel kraken]

(I posted the photo of abby while it was the other channel name)

[cinder karma]

What was the name change

[steel kraken]

it was programming-cats previously

[cinder karma]

Abby looks like a professional programmer

programming cats is nice

[devout vault]

There's been at least one other change in the past hour

[prisma flume]

abby doesn't look like a professional anything

[little furnace]

I feel like screaming is different. Maybe. To be fair, a lot of that science is trying to make sense of things in order to explain stuff but you can't prove the explanation.

[cinder karma]

U don't look like a blueberry

[devout vault]

Very briefly it was something about only programming allowed

[cinder karma]

Anyways

Cats. Screaming

[little furnace]

I prefer "ice cream" to "I scream".

[steel kraken]

not mutually exclusive

[cinder karma]

Anyways

Programming

[hardy jewel]

I'm trying to find a journal article I read on mountain lion vocalisations for a class because I don't remember anything from it, but that's proving to be difficult

[prisma flume]

you could say science without proof is just belief

[hardy jewel]

stupid journal articles

[devout vault]

something something proof vs theory vs evidence vs hypothesis

[cinder karma]

It's a real tweet

[steel kraken]

in theory, theory in practice are the same.
In practice...

[cinder karma]

Anyways, the Australians are awake

I think you guys are Australia

Pink is German but also nocturnal

[prisma flume]

we're in eurovision therefore we're in europe

[cinder karma]

Is the king of England ur king

[hardy jewel]

yes

[steel kraken]

pretty much this exact conversation happened like 24 hours ago

[cinder karma]

....why

[prisma flume]

we do be in the commonwealth

[cinder karma]

...why

[hardy jewel]

what do u mean why

[steel kraken]

queen king on the money and stuff

[little furnace]

My psychologist actually told me that I should try to go to bed by midnight. I tried it once. It was great. The next day I stayed up again.

[hardy jewel]

Australia was claimed by the British and we've just never left the commonwealth alongside all the others under them

[steel kraken]

There has been a republic movement for decades but for the most part being part of the commonwealth doesn't really cause any problems so for the most part no one cares one way or the other.

and there were enough people that liked queen liz so it wasn't questioned too much, Since her passing the conversation did pick up a bit, also in part as both major parties had pro-republic leaders, but after the recent referendum kinda went bad, current government doesn't particularly want to propose it for awhile

Also Australian Federation takes place after the US had the very messy war to not be part of the empire, so they gave other countries a much more diplomatic way to mostly be autonomous without the war or fully losing the territory

[little furnace]

Imagine if Australia decided to follow up on Eurovision and joined the EU.

[steel kraken]

I feel like australian politics would have all the same impossibilities the UK had that resulted in brexit

[prisma flume]

i wouldn't be terribly surprised if we reconsidered our trade deals

[steel kraken]

It was policy for quite a long time to "stop the boats" and to be hard on immigration, which a schengen-area vibe based border policy wouldn't vibe wiht

[prisma flume]

i've heard we're looking at clearing the visa process between europe and australia at least

[steel kraken]

that and Australia is quite mineral export rich, and benefits from its poor dollar which switching to Euro would complicate

[little furnace]

Still feel that compared the Switzerland it's likely. I had the idea for a movie set in some kind of future setting, and there is the Global Republic on Earth and then there's Switzerland.

[steel kraken]

The halo universe has it as the UN kinda just becomes the global government for humanity and the UN Security Council becomes the military (UNSC)

[worn remnant]

@cinder karma

[little furnace]

Another funfact: In older Italian dialects the words for yeast and sourdough were used interchangeably (partly because yeast was something that was discovered fairly recently) so there are some professional chefs and scientists (again the weird scientists) who assume that pizza was originally made from sourdough. I tried it and it tastes great.

Again, only a random hypothesis.

[hardy jewel]

thank you for saving us from being on-topic

😌

Sourdough pizza is indeed very nice

[steel kraken]

whenever I hear yeast I can only think about vegemite due to its label of yeast extract

[little furnace]

I have no idea what vegemite is, sorry.

Is it like dry yeast?

[hardy jewel]

It's the Australian breakfast staple

it's a spread typically paired with butter on toast, very salty umami-like

[steel kraken]

UK has something similar with marmite

[little furnace]

Huh. Interesting. I mean, I know yeast extract is sometimes used as a flavor enhancer. So it kinda makes sense.

I tend to dislike how it tastes though.

[steel kraken]

Its quite intense, which is why its best in small servings

but mixing it with butter does soften it

[worn remnant]

i am a Sourdough Person and i use my starter to make all sorts of breads, including pizza, and yes it does taste great

[devout vault]

Vegemite sounds like a pokemon name. Like, the specific sound clip from Pokemon Channel of Magnemite (had to do some digging to remember which pokemon I was thinking of)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2obxRaKbPKs

[prisma flume]

veggie mite really doesn't sound like it should be a spread. maybe a parasite

[steel kraken]

tbh anyone that tried to use it as a spread like nutella would agree with you.

can be quite traumatizing having vegemite in that large of a serving

[little furnace]

Is there a way to tell whether a G is supposed to sound like G or like G in English?

[steel kraken]

as in gif vs giraffe vs graphics? no

English isn't a designed language and so doesn't follow sane rules

[prisma flume]

generally it's a soft g if followed by a vowel, otherwise hard

[little furnace]

True. Which explains how my least favorite word "inflammatory" came to be.

[little furnace]

So like GIF?

[steel kraken]

English is an organically grown language over a millenia, and is relatively recently that concepts like words should have a consistent spelling became a thing

[prisma flume]

well gif is an acronym so the pronunciation is entirely up for debate as to what sounds best

[steel kraken]

Shakespeare's time was all vibe based spelling and would spell his own name many different ways

[little furnace]

I feel like we need a new spelling system.

[prisma flume]

i like strings personally

[little furnace]

I proudly present Iinglish:
"The kwik braun foks dshamps over the lazi dog."

[steel kraken]

plenty of prescriptive languages to pick from that would have tighter rules

[devout vault]

How about we just run all of english through this
https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/33407

[cobalt shore]

I made sourdough cinnamon rolls this morning they were incredible

I'll help make the sourdough mod

[worn remnant]

english's orthography is indeed defective, but this would not be the first attempt at fixing it

[red crest]

I actually really enjoy large servings like that... if I can still see the bread beneath the marmite/vegemite (I've had both), there's not enough.

[steel kraken]

I also don't mind large servings but its very much something you aquire the taste to, and not immediately dive into the deep end

[sand frost]

On top of what blueberry said I suspect there’s an etymology layer explaining some of the inconsistency

English is like, 3 languages in a trench coat with some contraband smuggled in to boot

A lot of the “usually” is just “Greek or Old French/Latin does it this way”

[steel kraken]

english is just a giant melting pot of loan words for the most part

and rather than proactively transcribe words to fit englishes system, it mostly just preserves their existing systems as English is a meme

[safe dragon]

same as Dutch

though for us it's mostly like... "The spelling is consistent with the pronunciation, or we stole it from the French and pronounce it the way they would instead"

and then there's the word "garage" where we pronounce the first half the Dutch way and the second half the French way

[safe dragon]

damn it's usdt not usd I've been fooled

also fascinating that he's on a page that looks like a profile page but the uri has no profile parameters or anything in it which would make it either the worst programmed SPA in existence or perhaps even fake

I understand how to get 2700 usdt now tho

[cinder karma]

The cult must spreas

Also

Kombucha

[cinder karma]

O.o

I have not tried an enriched sourdough

[cyan shadow]

And the French pronunciation is atrocious, as it should be

[cinder karma]

https://youtu.be/nhbYveaV0pk?si=87GWBAJebG7NJiHC

What is funny is the Ads now think I own a small biotechnology company

3m wants me to buy their new column purification so bad and I so can not afford that lol

[long verge]

[cyan shadow]

(I speak some French, but my accent is godawful. We didn't focus on speaking when I was in school so it was hard to get the pronunciation right.)

[uncut seal]

hoy, I just encountered the same "problem"

Here are the full 3 loops, this was a trick to take care of the input/output inbalance

[cinder karma]

I wonder how long thus opus thing will stick to this channel

[dusty pollen]

I was trying to figure out for a sec if there’s any way to balance that but no, the reagent has 3 atoms and the product requires 10

[devout vault]

Good question. Even Frameworks have fallen out of trend lately, so I’m sure it’ll happen eventually

[cinder karma]

Ngl but frameworks do not have a high rating at my workplace lol

To be fair

We tend to be haters

Especially against Dell

[dusty pollen]

aren’t frameworks like the opposite of dell though

[devout vault]

Atra's company hates both excellence and incompetence - they only appreciate mediocrity /s

[cinder karma]

U have to be really good but also not too expensive

Tbh the issue with Dell is that the company machines are dells

[dusty pollen]

well obviously, if they were ibms they’d be too old! smh atra

[cinder karma]

Anyways

Tbh I tried to turn the conversation to programming but all the programming news is AI

[devout vault]

Clearly we all need to go and do something programming-news-worthy

[cinder karma]

@safe dragon what is wrong with the dutch

[dusty pollen]

“local mod author destroys the entire internet, says she was trying to make news for a discord channel. more on this at 6 on tv only”

[cinder karma]

You have no crackers with flavor or sourdough bread?

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/kawaii-gif-22571722

no I haven't seen that anime, I only know which one it is because I used that gif recently elsewhere and they told me which anime it was

[dusty pollen]

I have no idea what it is dw

[cinder karma]

Come here and defend your country, crumble!

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7256 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1470103755365023788)

[devout vault]

It'd be really funny if there was another large cloud server outage later today

-# FOR LEGAL REASONS THIS IS A JOKE

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/jfk-clone-high-i-like-your-funny-words-magic-man-jack-black-gif-18659433

[cyan shadow]

I just ate rosemary cracker-like thingies a couple days ago!

[cinder karma]

My friend asks: where do you get them?

[cyan shadow]

Albert Heijn, borrel section

They're not square crackers, mind

But in the snack section you also get crunchy thingies that you can spread cream cheese on

[cyan shadow]

Not a 1:1 replacement for saltines, lol

Sourdough bread I've seen at the farmer's market once

[cinder karma]

She says she's been going to Indian groceries for food with any flavor

[cyan shadow]

If she lives in Amsterdam there'll definitely be sourdough bakeries somewhere

[cyan shadow]

Lucky
I raid the Mediterranean section of the supermarket

I buy borrel snacks with the three for 5 euro dips and eat those, as well

Tell her to look for these

They're great with chive cream cheese dip (bieslook roomkaas)

[cinder karma]

Nice!

[cyan shadow]

I love them

Also Albert Heijn has spiced peanuts

Homf

[cinder karma]

Thanks!

Passed that on

[lament osprey]

Oh my AH mentioned

I finished my uni work so I can work on my Stardew mod tonight hehehe

[cinder karma]

I don't know a 3d mod for starfdw is definitely newsworthy

[safe dragon]

wtf

[safe dragon]

well I have watched it

[safe dragon]

I was eating dinner

[devout vault]

did the character in question destroy the entire internet to try and make news for a chat channel

[cinder karma]

Where do you get a loaf of sourdough bread ?

[safe dragon]

no she's just the main character's sister

I don't think she's even particularly important to the story at any point

lots of good quips tho

[devout vault]

But that's incredibly important

[safe dragon]

but not important to the story...

[devout vault]

Also the synopsis of the anime did not sound like one with an actual story

[safe dragon]

actually you made me realize I never watched the last season

I think there's like 20 light novel volumes there's plenty story

it's pretty good

[devout vault]

It sounded like a slice of life series

[safe dragon]

kinda, it's a romance thing

[cinder karma]

Is there fresh bread?

[safe dragon]

surely at some point

[cinder karma]

I am also learning fascinating things about Dutch economic principles

And being a surprisingly big food exporter

[devout vault]

Ah.

Suddenly, I'm not that upset about her not being involved in the plot, given how some anime can be

[safe dragon]

I will say that aspects of that anime have not remotely held up and are difficult to watch

[cinder karma]

Given the size of the country

[safe dragon]

don't worry there is no romance at any point between them and the sister character

[devout vault]

And here I was considering actually starting it

There's a reason that I don't tend to rewatch steins;gate

[safe dragon]

there's a "trap" character in the show and that's very grating

any jokes surrounding that

[devout vault]

Ah

Yeah, definitely not watching then

[safe dragon]

yeah

idk why trap characters are so common in shows of that era

[devout vault]

There are plenty of anime tropes I could do without

[uncut seal]

well that was the very last level I had to do, so there won't be any more Opus Magnum posts from me

[quasi lintel]

What anime are we talking about?

[uncut seal]

I'm currently in the middle of watching Revolutionary Girl Utena and I'm angry at anyone who've seen it and hasn't recommended it to me

[quasi lintel]

Well.. I haven't, which is weird considering how long my list is 😅

[uncut seal]

I've been thinking about anime I watch, and I realized that I fully migrated from Isekai to Magical Girl

[safe dragon]

I also haven't watched it so I'm safe

[cinder karma]

I have no clue what anime is so I'm safe

[quasi lintel]

I honestly watch almost anything from amazing to absolute trash

[uncut seal]

I think I'm pretty lucky because I never watched something that I found really bad

oh, except from SAO, that was a hate watch

[quasi lintel]

Eh, at least 1st half of first season was good

[rain apex]

i finished trashfire animes bc i watch it with friends and feel committed

[uncut seal]

yeah

[cyan shadow]

(The reason the Dutch are such huge food exporters is part of the reason there's a housing crisis here!)

Well
It contributes to it, anyway

[devout vault]

Hot take but I enjoyed a lot of SAO

[quasi lintel]

Now that I think about... weird that the best 2 anime series of this season imo were one about a girl wanting to die by being eaten by another girl/monster (quite literally) and the other is about racing horse girls it was a bad season

[devout vault]

Admittedly I watched when I was less bad-trope-sensitive, but still

[devout vault]

I thought the monster one was last season, not the current one. (I haven't watched hardly anything from either season)

I assume you're talking about new seasons and not "season 2" type stuff? Or did freiren S2 turn out bad

[red crest]

(It is not turning out bad)

[rain apex]

the only thing bad about frieren s2 is that my boy macht isnt in it

[quasi lintel]

By season I meant fall season, winter season, etc

[devout vault]

I don't remember who that is, but I only got around half way S1

[devout vault]

Yeah that's what I thought you meant

[rain apex]

he's the gold demon

but alas his arc is not this season

[red crest]

Soon TM

[quasi lintel]

Oh yeah and I meant the last season, I'm always one behind since I'm a binger 😅

[uncut seal]

I'm holding myself from watching Frieren S2 because I want to watch it with my best friend

[rain apex]

also fate strange fake finally started airing

[uncut seal]

it's so fucking hard

[rain apex]

only took 2.5 years

its pretty good tho

[devout vault]

I want delicious in dungeon S2 to come out 😔

And SLF S3

[uncut seal]

YES

I loved dungeon meshi so much that I read it

[devout vault]

I almost did, but got distracted (as is tradition)

[red crest]

I want every show to be replaced with Frieren and feel that this would be a totally objectively better experience. I am not biased. Do not pay attention to my profile picture.

[quasi lintel]

Is it like.. fate fate, fate prisma or that ancient times fate vibes?

[devout vault]

profile pictures are hidden for me, so sure

[rain apex]

its another holy grail war if thats what u mean

[devout vault]

why did discord remove being able to see them in compact mode

[red crest]

Ahead of the curve

[devout vault]

The only recent-ish anime I've gone to the source material for is I'm in Love with the Villainess. Still need to read books 4/5

[rain apex]

the lore of this one is that it's bootleg war the americans made after seeing the japanese one explode real bad

[uncut seal]

I'm only watching Oshinoko S3 this season (until I can watch Frieren S2)

[rain apex]

and takes place in totally-not-las-vegas

[quasi lintel]

Huh, interesting, I'll watch it anyway

[red crest]

From what I know of fate I feel like saying "it's a holy Grail war" is like that b99 meme with the "that's on me I set the bar too low" punchline

[devout vault]

Less recently, I think I had started some of the further SAO stuff (before again getting distracted)

[devout vault]

Yeah that's my impression too

[rain apex]

hey theres shit like fate prisma illya where they are mahou shoujo

i think the qualifier is important

[devout vault]

Also the fate stuff is a bunch of timeline splits and what not since it came from VNs, right?

[rain apex]

yea but u can think of that stuff as like

gundam AUs

[devout vault]

Oh look, another series I have never even touched

[quasi lintel]

Fate lore is terrifying...

I only ever watched 1 gundam show

[rain apex]

there's a character who looks like saber (which is equiv of having a main robot that looks like the og gundam)

and ppl fight with big magic explosions

[red crest]

"there's a character that looks like saber" is also the b99 meme

[rain apex]

soemtimes they have bullshit philosophy that i ignore

what is a b99 meme

[uncut seal]

For upcoming animes, I'm also waiting for Apothecary Diaries S3 (winter 2026) and Youjo Senki S2 (sometime 2026)

[devout vault]

Could've sworn prozd had a skit about the fate watch order

But now all I'm thinking of is the kingdom hearts Unravelled video

[quasi lintel]

Oooh, right Youjo Senki is finally getting S2

[devout vault]

Is Youjo Senki that military one from isekai quartet?

[rain apex]

yea

the angy one

[red crest]

I'm on mobile this was the "best" example I could find on short notice

[cinder karma]

What's call of duty

(I am not a gamer)

[quasi lintel]

Money printer

[rain apex]

i never got over the artstyle of youjo senki

[devout vault]

Yeah the other one I haven't watched from there is skeleton dude from Overlord

[uncut seal]

I only know one thing about Fate and it seems like I can't talk about it here...

[rain apex]

so i just read the manga that wasnt very completed

[devout vault]

Haven't kept up on re:zero or konosuba in ages though

[quasi lintel]

There isn't much to keep up with konosuba unfortunately...

[red crest]

I like rezero a lot but never finished season 2 and haven't watched it since. Not because I disliked it i just missed one week and then it was over for me

[devout vault]

The real call of duty is the shareholders demanding ever increasing profits

[rain apex]

everyone should go watch cosmic princess kaguya

[devout vault]

There are a bunch of seasonal anime that are like that for me

[rain apex]

it was art

[devout vault]

There's at least a couple within the past year that literally the only thing I didn't watch was the final episode

Purely because distraction

[uncut seal]

usually with seasonal anime, I'm always waiting for the next episode, so if I "miss" some, I just watch whatever I missed in one go

[quasi lintel]

First time hearing about it, but looks interesting

I'm also still laughing about the fact there is an among us anime rn

And is weirdly good..

[uncut seal]

the anime? I've heard the author asked for the main characters to look weird to avoid a type of fanart he didn't like 👀

[rain apex]

that doesnt really make any sense cus they do not have duck lips in every other adaption

[uncut seal]

the manga came after the anime btw

[rain apex]

the light novel cover is also not anime design

[uncut seal]

fair enough

[rain apex]

but yea its just personal pref stuff

nothing against the story

[uncut seal]

I don't find the artstyle too unusual, but I'm pretty used to it so...

Anyway, y'all should read/watch Look Back, it's an amazing piece of art

[quasi lintel]

Look Back is indeed amazing

I'm wondering if they'll ever adapt Fire Punch (probably the most messed up of Fujimoto's manga)

[rain apex]

they should do fire punch liveaction

i need the B movie gore

[quasi lintel]

Also speaking of that guy, Fujimoto Tatsuki 17-26 was also extremely weird and amazing

[crystal wren]

(The joke here though is that there are over 50 Call of Duty games, so by answering that, he's named way more than 10. )

[devout vault]

I want to get back into watching anime, but too many things I want to do 😔

[devout vault]

Another murder via tail, and also trying to make me an accomplice (by having it bounce off of me on the way down)

[rain apex]

Mozart masters gdscript

[cinder karma]

They made more than one shooty shoots bang bang game?

[devout vault]

They did indeed

[cinder karma]

Can u watch anime while doing other things?

I like to knit between sets at the gym

[devout vault]

I can't watch stuff and do something else at the same time

Even if it's english

Same reason I can't have music going while doing stuff, especially if it has lyrics

[cinder karma]

I don't think I've had true silence in decades

I'm always listening to a podcast or a talk or an audiobook

[little furnace]

I don't have true silence because I have a tinnitus.
We are not the same.

[safe dragon]

I do have true silence

often enough on my way to work I have noise canceling on on my headphones but no audio

[cinder karma]

How

Especially in the city

Wouldn't u get bored?

I like taking off my headphones and listening to the birds but also I get bored

Also where do I get a loaf of sourdough bread in the entirety of the Netherlands

Inquiring atras would like to know

Mostly because otherwise I have to figure out international bread shipment

[devout vault]

For me it depends on if I have access to something to do. If I do but am not (like not being on my phone), I'll be bored. But if I'm not, like when driving? My mind tends to fill in the boredom on its own

[cinder karma]

Ah, okay, I am 100% audiobooks while driving

[safe dragon]

uh anywhere that sells bread

ok maybe not

but my local grocery store sells sourdough bread

[cinder karma]

Okay that is what I would expect from literally all of Europe

[safe dragon]

I still have a phone in my hands

[cinder karma]

If I can get good sourdough (assuming I get there earlier) from most Texas groceries I expect more of Europe

[safe dragon]

I live on sourdough bread

[cinder karma]

In my case my eyes and hands are driving, or I'm running, or lifting weights, or knitting, or cooking

So audio entertainment is required

[cinder karma]

I will go tell L she isnt looking hard enough

[safe dragon]

I sit in a train

[prisma flume]

ah this is on my to-watch. sitting there with dirty pair and a couple others lol

the unleavened greatness of bread will prove for a million years

i do need to watch satoshi kon's other films, tokyo godfathers and that, but ive checked out steam boy from the library for now

they have patlabor too for my giant robot itch

[quasi lintel]

Just finished, thank you

[quasi lintel]

Tokyo godfathers is probably my favorite film of his

[quasi lintel]

Reminded me a bit of Summer Wars, I should probably watch it again sometime after so long..

[rain apex]

yuri wins

[devout vault]

Gotta say, it's weird I've been having internet issues intermittently today...

[devout vault]

and just like that, I am now actually looking up the anime you recommended

Also it is not escaping my notice that Nomori seemingly watched the whole anime in that ~3 hour span of time

[quasi lintel]

It only lasted 2h after all and I was bored

[cinder karma]

The only anime I've ever watched is paprika

[steel kraken]

the only anime I can recall properly watching is pokemon movie 3 and frieren

[red crest]

Frieren mention

[devout vault]

Oh it's a movie not a series

[tranquil grove]

i don't catch much of it either, but frieren's my most recent one

[devout vault]

I was gonna check it out but now perhaps not 😛

curse my attention span and its fickle-ness

[tranquil grove]

(I'm aware of kaguya being a movie because it has a manga adaptation & is yuri, though )

[red crest]

Every time someone mentions frieren in this server my power grows

[devout vault]

So if we talk about it enough, you'll graduate from apple boi into full fledged junimo?

[red crest]

I think that's how it works yeah

[cinder karma]

What is frieren

[steel kraken]

I'm team dub so only seen s1 and s2ep1 so far

[cinder karma]

Wait a second

I dont think cotten candy colors should be higher than sour candy apple

[red crest]

Did I lose my green

[cinder karma]

Hey now

Moderators

[red crest]

Right after talking about frieren making me more of a Junimo

[steel kraken]

wait slitherings can override junimo?

[cinder karma]

Plz fix

[quasi lintel]

I'm genuinely kinda curious how frieren got so "mainstream"

[red crest]

I am green again hurray

[cinder karma]

You may not be surprised to know i dont know what frieren is

Yay!

[devout vault]

I didn't notice the brief discrepancy

[steel kraken]

Considering I think I cried in every episode, I can see the appeal

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #7263 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1470201565682995356)

[red crest]

Frieren also made me emotionally invested in a non-yuri relationship which is a huge ask of me normally

[devout vault]

Anime in general is closer to it than it used to be, so that probably helps a bit

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #7264 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1470201718473101313)

[quasi lintel]

The last "I don't watch anime, but I saw X" was Attack on Titan, so completely different vibe, not complaining tho

[devout vault]

One shown before episode 15 of season 1? (where I stopped, apparently)

[steel kraken]

The tl;dr I got of frieren going into it, is that its somewhat autism coded and learning the value of relationships and connections

[quasi lintel]

Oh yeah definitely, I'd never guess it'd turn out like that 10 years ago

[tranquil grove]

once upon a time, the elf in Button's profile pic was old, helped some non-elves kill a demon lord, then out-aged most of her hero-ing party
it's kind of a "wandering with her new apprentice(s)" story

[devout vault]

and out-aged without really realizing it and is now learning to understand that, if I remember right

I think I enjoyed Delicious in Dungeon more, which ran around the same time I think?

[quasi lintel]

While being incredibly smug

[red crest]

Yes it's between||the two main people who are not Frieren||

[tranquil grove]

yeah, dungeon meshi was what I watched with a friend right before frieren

[red crest]

I also enjoyed dungeon meshi

[quasi lintel]

Frieren and Dungeon Meshi do have a similar vibe

[devout vault]

|| oh did that actually go somewhere? It seemed like it might've been headed that direction around where I stopped, but sometimes stories don't actually commit to that sort of thing ||

[prisma flume]

i mean they're both new and look exactly the same lol

[red crest]

|| It doesn't not go somewhere but I'll admit I've not read much of the manga yet so I don't know where else it goes. They just went on a date in the show though. ||

[devout vault]

I feel like the story vibes are very different

[prisma flume]

i feel like most of these shows are just identical. that kaguya one looks exactly like another show or comic someone said i'd like but just looks weird

[devout vault]

A lot of the anime visual styles are very similar, yeah

[red crest]

To me dungeon meshi and frieren feel very different and most of the similarity just comes from them both being largely slice of life genre

[devout vault]

It's something I appreciate about it though, as someone who likes it well enough 😛

[devout vault]

Yeah that's kind of what I meant by story vibe

[quasi lintel]

The weirder anime looks the better Take anything by Masaaki Yuasa as an example

[prisma flume]

oh i think i've heard of cat soup, though i haven't seen it

[cinder karma]

The channel name lol

Anime boots and cats

[prisma flume]

where are the boots

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-puss-in-boots-puss-puss-in-boots-the-last-wish-my-name-is-puss-in-boots-call-me-puss-in-boots-gif-25144563

not anime though

[quasi lintel]

Devilman Crybaby, Tatami Galaxy and Ping Pong the animation all look insane and are soo good

[quasi lintel]

Close enough

[prisma flume]

oh actually i was just at the library with a friend and we were looking at tatami galaxy and ping pong lol

just the other day

i think it was listed on the blurb as something like by the director of akira and the studio of paprika

which is a solid resume

[cinder karma]

Now

Is kpop demon hunters anime

[steel kraken]

the most recent puss in boots movie the last wish was amazing

[quasi lintel]

Oh yeah, it was still madhouse back than, no clue how it's connected to director of Akira tho

[prisma flume]

i might just be conflating it with steamboy which is sitting on my shelf atm

but it had another unique credit

[devout vault]

Yeah I really enjoyed it

[tranquil grove]

it's yuri manga*
(* has 14 17 whole fanart on a site for that)

[prisma flume]

i look forward to going a day without hearing about kpop demon hunters again 🙂‍↕️

[steel kraken]

I think everything is yuri manga using that definition

[tranquil grove]

that's literally all I know about it personally, I should probably experience anything else of it

but more or less yeah

[steel kraken]

all I know about kpop demonhunter is that it has a banger soundtrack that I've heard many covers of

[devout vault]

Anyways, starting this one that is currently airing, guess I'll see how it goes. https://myanimelist.net/anime/60460/

[safe dragon]

it's a pretty decent animated musical

[devout vault]

I still haven't watched kpop demon hunters, despite talking to atra regularly

[quasi lintel]

I was very skeptical before watching it, but turned out amazing (and I hate musicals usually)

[safe dragon]

good animation, good music, but rather poorly executed plot

[prisma flume]

it's literally called kpop demon hunters this is not a classical epic

[quasi lintel]

I'm pretty sure I've seen this anime like 20 times already

[devout vault]

I feel like that has two requirements to fulfill:

• is there kpop?
• is there demon hunting?

[tranquil grove]

and yet I kept mistaking the fanart for the game Hades

[devout vault]

...it started broadcasting like a month ago????

[safe dragon]

it's got both of these

[devout vault]

Sounds like it executed the plot fine then

[cinder karma]

Have u seen the ao3

Have u

[quasi lintel]

As in anime with mostly the same description

[devout vault]

Ah

Well, yeah

I love fast food too, yes

[steel kraken]

so Harry potter and the chamber of secrets executed its plot fine because it had a character named harry potter, and the chamber of secrets was (briefly) visited

[tranquil grove]

no, I don't know how to operate that site well enough to read it more than once

[devout vault]

Yeah, that checks out

[safe dragon]

smh the plot is about not repressing who you truly are and to trust the hot demon guy

[dusty pollen]

I have questions about ao3’s understanding of the word beta

[cinder karma]

Let me just say the canonical pairing on ao3 is shipping all of huntrix together

[quasi lintel]

It also has an amazing cat, which bumped the score a lot for me

[cinder karma]

Or maybe Zoey with Mystery

[devout vault]

Kpop demon hunters has a cat?

[prisma flume]

is this a semantic versioning thing or a fanfiction thing

[devout vault]

Atra how could you leave out this crucial information

[safe dragon]

it does

[cinder karma]

Sorta!

[dusty pollen]

as in the site is still in beta

[tranquil grove]

if it's said something's in beta for 20+ years, that's pretty standard for fanfic sites I have used

[dusty pollen]

the entire site is

[cinder karma]

Uh, is Derpy a cat

[quasi lintel]

Yes, it's blue and also functions as a letter box

[cinder karma]

Wasn't Gmail beta for like seven years

[tranquil grove]

think so, yeah
also reminds me that nexus still temporarily™ doesn't have account recovery

[prisma flume]

shoutout to all my homies in the dota 2 beta

[steel kraken]

the dota 2 installation directory is dota 2 beta and has been since 2010/2011

[cinder karma]

What's dota

[tranquil grove]

a warcraft 3 custom map that got way out of hand

[quasi lintel]

Tigers are cats

[steel kraken]

wow I got sniped just because I went back to fact check on steamdb

[cinder karma]

What's warcraft

[dusty pollen]

18 years, guys. since 2008

[red crest]

I clicked like 3 things in 5 seconds...

[prisma flume]

i would never fact check.

[cinder karma]

But is ||an ancient Korean deity|| a cat

[prisma flume]

please understand this site is still in beta

[red crest]

Maybe thats why its still in beta, they haven't figured out how to handle normal human browsing speeds yet

[tranquil grove]

computer game where you have human knights or orcs or zombies or elves (and make them fight)
but everyone just modded other games into it, because it had multiplayer and scripting

[quasi lintel]

I don't see why not

[dusty pollen]

so a game, atra, is— wait, actually first, a human is—

[cinder karma]

Yeah I'm too dumb to comprehend

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

[prisma flume]

it's lord of the rings but it looks like a cartoon and plays like lemmings

[steel kraken]

Warcraft 3 is a 2002 game that had a very good map editor and integrated language runtime that let map authors make very complex custom games that had little resemblance to the actual 'vanilla' wc3 gameplay

[red crest]

There's no way atra can understand what a game is without first understanding the electrical systems behind a computer. I believe what atra needs is for one us to explain in excruciating(ly incorrect) detail about the electrical engineering behind a video game console functionality first.

[tranquil grove]

it's like playing with action figures, but they're oversaturated

[safe dragon]

I'm sure atra needs explanations on electrical engineering

[red crest]

See? Crumble agrees

[devout vault]

oversaturated is my favorite level of saturation

[steel kraken]

I don't think you can fully recreate wc3 in todays climate because making games is too easy now that you don't really need to do the UGC game in a game when you can just use unity/unreal/godot directly

[cinder karma]

U start with sand and boron and phosphorus

[tranquil grove]

what I hear of roblox sounds like wc3, except they successfully monetized it and also it got worse

[prisma flume]

see the important thing about warcraft 3 is that as someone who has never actually played it but has played hours of custom games and zillions of hours of dota, i am not even close to an outlier

[steel kraken]

Valve did try with dota 2 (and 5 years of my life was spent trying to prove valve right)

[red crest]

Maybe you do.

[cinder karma]

Ngl roblox sounds awful

[quasi lintel]

Was it good at any point..?

[safe dragon]

step 1 for successful monetization: manipulate children

[tranquil grove]

oh right, I briefly got roped into some dota 2 custom stuff, but never found anything great (at launch)

[prisma flume]

dota 2 custom games were my second fling with lua and it was actually a very solid custom game setup in its own right

[steel kraken]

I'm just going to leave this here
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2701619563

[tranquil grove]

probably not, but I was out of college by the time I heard about roblox existing

[red crest]

I played a lot of Starcraft 2 custom games.

[cinder karma]

Y'all may be unhappy to hear that opus magnus may be gettig pushed back in "what atra buys next" by a basket for making sourdough

[tranquil grove]

I was never any good at actual RTS games, so by the time sc2 came out I was stubborn and just stuck to wc3

[cinder karma]

What is roblox lol

[prisma flume]

a monopoly TD would be hot stuff imo

[red crest]

I was and also still am not at all good at RTS games which is why I stuck to the custom games and singleplayer campaign

[prisma flume]

wc3 to me is just a TD engine and a dota ancestor

[quasi lintel]

Wait, roblox came out in 2006? First time I heard about it was like 2020.. maybe for the better

[tranquil grove]

a game engine? I think? I know you can make mods/games in it and probably sell them for money, since people talk about child labor issues

[devout vault]

It's more of a platform than just an engine

It's where I learned what arrays were 😛

[steel kraken]

I'm currently playing a wc3 ORPG that is still being maintained and getting updates which was a fork of one I was playing like 14 years ago

[tranquil grove]

yeah, multiplayer hosting is kinda the big deal (and why warcraft was as useful as it was)

[red crest]

(I did join roblox right after it launched. My first job interview was actually for roblox. This was a long time ago. Bullet dodged.)

[quasi lintel]

Last time I heard about it, there was something about stock trading for kids with microtransactions

[devout vault]

(Yeah I did roblox lua before game maker)

[prisma flume]

i did meet up with a friend for dinner lately who regailed me with stories of his recent 32~48 hour lan wc3 rpg session so i'm guessing it's the same one

[devout vault]

Huh, I guess when I used it was within the first few years of it coming out then

[steel kraken]

I only really learnt what roblox was from some alpharad videos but I haven't touched it myself

[devout vault]

(just based on the mental math of when I did my first C++ game and such)

[cinder karma]

Despite one of my friends loving lua I haven't learned the language myself

[cinder karma]

Sleep?

[devout vault]

What about ROBLOX_OOF.mp3

[prisma flume]

lua is quite nice. 1-indexed tho

i think that's including sleep

[devout vault]

those two statements cannot coexist

[cinder karma]

Lua has no concept of dictionaries!

[tranquil grove]

back in my day, something something

I'm pretty sure I didn't actually learn much from this, but I did try (I was like 7)

[steel kraken]

Lua can do dictionaries fine

[devout vault]

well excuse me for not being born earlier

[tranquil grove]

never

[steel kraken]

the Lua table datatype is both arrays and dictionaries as it doesn't particularly care for what the key is

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/excuseme-princess-rude-snobby-sassy-gif-4929694

[cinder karma]

I was about to ask u if you were doing global game jam, casey

[devout vault]

(sorry I just had this scene pop up in my head for a moment and of course had to share)

[cinder karma]

But I guess that was in the past

[steel kraken]

My lua journey was Computercraft -> Dota -> Lets write a transpiler to compile down typescript code to lua because the tooling for lua sucks

[devout vault]

I think I did look into at one point, eons ago

[dusty pollen]

hbomberguy and telerico studios would like a word

[devout vault]

The only game jam I ever did much in was ludum dare, and that's been ages

[prisma flume]

i was just then wondering if there's even a particular ide for lua scripting. surely it's not that far removed from python

lord it's been years

[red crest]

The only "jam" I've ever done was this server's modding jam

[tranquil grove]

iirc I did sign up for a ludum dare but never finished it properly

[steel kraken]

vscode and https://typescripttolua.github.io/ is all you need

[red crest]

TS to lua...

[steel kraken]

there is a reason its opening example is a dota callback handler

[devout vault]

My first time was the same way.

And some later times, too

[prisma flume]

definitely the lowlight of lua was having no symbol references or project navigation outside of 'what file is this'

i have no idea how i ever got by in python just using notepad

how spoiled i am today with my pycharms and my visual studios