programmers-off-topic

[fleet wren]

MD5 is cryptographic, it's just not secure

[safe dragon]

I've seen that one

fun thing really is that I saw all of these at the same company

one with a pen testing team they hired once a year to verify the security

some of these were found by them to be fair...

my favorite I found there was an eye button in the user detail pages where you could unhide their password

there's just something highly amusing about being so blatant and obvious with the fact that you're not hashing their password

Just "oh yeah here's their password just press the button to view it"

[devout vault]

I once found out one my moms passwords because they emailed it to her in plaintext in a big font, and she opened the email while I was talking to her

(from a forgot password thing, I think)

[safe dragon]

love that

there's more subtle ones too

[devout vault]

Who even thinks of presenting your password to you like an 'exclusive' coupon code in a marketing email?

[safe dragon]

I once got "your password looks too similar to one of your previous passwords"

[devout vault]

UGH

Slightly different (and less bad in that particular way), but I always hate the sites that say "you can't use any of your last 10 passwords" or something

[cinder karma]

This was a bank

No idea how they did it

[fleet wren]

ok now y'all gotta be memeing right

[devout vault]

Especially when I go to reset my password and it gives me that error, but then the pasword reset has started so they won't let me use the old password anymore

[cinder karma]

For example if my password was freedom

[devout vault]

I wish

[safe dragon]

that's sad

[safe dragon]

I wish

[cinder karma]

I would type 3733366 to authentic to the phone tree

[safe dragon]

good old T3 typing

[safe dragon]

clearly that's encrypted

looks nothing like your password

[cinder karma]

I have zero idea how this is safe

[devout vault]

The only time I’ve ever dealt with this was the smash bros brawl stage editor

It was very confusing

[pliant snow]

lol T3?

Did they sell phones with fewer buttons

[devout vault]

Found a video that showed the smash bros one

[cinder karma]

Wut

[devout vault]

Also the japanese version

[pliant snow]

(it's T9, not T3)

( )

[cinder karma]

Wut

Also in unrelated I've gotten 76% of the gas for this car at a Costco

I thought this would be higher

[safe dragon]

Someone told me many years ago that T9 was the predictive typing version and the regular version without prediction before that was called T3 but that doesn't seem to be true.

T9 is indeed the predictive typing version but the regular version was just called multitap

(T9 also uses more than 9 keys btw smh a scam)

[little furnace]

I love predictive T9. I even tried to get that on my smartphone. Feels way easier to type with big buttons. But the prediction algorithms aren't that good compared to mainstream mobile keyboards, so I gave up on that.

[crystal wren]

I got so fast with T9... then it went away.

[cinder karma]

I had a phone with t9

But at that point in mg life I had no friends to text

[safe dragon]

I never got good at T9 cause I never used my phone back then

my provider had some requirement where you had to send at least 1 text a year or they would disable your sim card

this happened to me like 3 times

there were times where I sent a text just to avoid reaching a year

[little furnace]

What kind of provider was that?

I've heard horror conditions of American providers, but not European ones.

[safe dragon]

it was fairly common for pay as you go sim cards at the time

I would not be able to tell you my provider. I have no idea

[crystal wren]

Back at that point of T9... my guess is Orange.

[safe dragon]

lmao nah though my dad did have Orange

I did not care about my phone in the slightest. For like 3 years my phone just sat there on a shelf near the entrance of our house

I did not bring it with me at all

[little furnace]

I'm so glad that I never had any of these issues.

[safe dragon]

to date that experience more... I thought it was not really useful to have cause if I needed to call I could just use the landline phone of whoever I was with

[cinder karma]

In college I had paygo

The minimum was $100/year

I barely used that phone. Had Google voice and did most of my calls off that

Texts too

[safe dragon]

All of that changed when I was like 17 I think and people were buying iPods that could play games and shit and I wanted to be able to play doodle jump during school lunch breaks too.
Though I continued to use pay as you go till I was 20 and had started talking to people on discord and telegram almost every waking hour

part of it was also that I missed out on the entire Pokemon Go craze cause I had no data plan and couldn't play it

[cinder karma]

Doodle what

[safe dragon]

doodle jump

[cinder karma]

What's a video game

[marble jewel]

What's a phone?

[cinder karma]

Hi matt!

Long time no see

[marble jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/computer-whats-a-computer-tablet-gif-11564169

[safe dragon]

you're using a computer in that damn gif

just a shit one

[fleet wren]

what is anything? #deepphilosophyhours

[safe dragon]

what is nothing?

[marble jewel]

They always ask What's a computer, but no one asks how's a computer

[safe dragon]

how's a computer do that

[marble jewel]

How did we teach sand to do math?

[cinder karma]

Asml

[safe dragon]

yeah asml actually invented the transistor

[marble jewel]

Or I guess before LLMs it's not correct to say "teach" sand to do math, more like "trick" sand to do math

[safe dragon]

post LLMs they can't do math anymore

[marble jewel]

It's come full circle

We tricked sand to do math, and then tricked math to do everything else (except for math)

[safe dragon]

after all these years we've finally tricked sand into doing math wrong

[crystal wren]

Come on, Atra. Where's your open source EUV lithography plan?

[fleet wren]

we've tricked sand into doing 5 billion math equations per second so it can recreate the illusion of a human doing math wrongly

[marble jewel]

Proof that we're living in the Matrix

[safe dragon]

we've developed a program that can write sentences but cannot count letters. A program that does billions of math calculations per second but cannot give you the sum of two numbers

[marble jewel]

So in other words, it wouldn't graduate high school

[safe dragon]

but simultaneously it can ace a master's philosophy exam

[crystal wren]

"Are You Smarter than an LLM?"

You're welcome. Please feel free to make a YouTube show. I expect 20% royalties.

[fleet wren]

reminds me of that one test of every popular "vision-capable" models, and their utter incapability to tell whether two lines will intersect

because they don't do shit like image analysis, they just go "statistically what a human being is most likely to say when asked such a question"

[marble jewel]

It makes all of those staged demos that much more ridiculous when they show AI doing live interpretations of audio, video, and text.

[prisma flume]

if it makes you feel better japanese mobile keyboards still look like that smash bros example. your skills are transferable!!!

[safe dragon]

it's true

[marble jewel]

First there was T9 to master, and then for a time physical keyboards became the norm, and now we're all on touchscreens

[cinder karma]

Brain implant is next

[marble jewel]

Brain implant to most efficiently convey information from humans is the next step, brain implants working in the reverse direction is the final step

You know what's more efficient than instantly conveying information? Making your information predetermined.

[safe dragon]

at some point I accepted automatic autocorrect on my phone and my touchscreen typing skills vanished

when I turn off autocorrect now I type complete gibberish

thankfully I still have to know how to spell to use my pc keyboard

[marble jewel]

Anyone remember like 20+ years ago when everyone thought we'd be dictating by voice to control our computers?

You don't need a keyboard anymore, because instead you can clumsily talk to your computer

[dusty pollen]

yeah and then everyone realised voice dictation kind of sucks

[red crest]

I remember seeing that one infomercial a lot about... what was it, Dragon something? for voice commands for your computer

[cinder karma]

Yes

[crystal wren]

Dragon natural language stuff! I remember that.

[red crest]

Tiny Button thought that was so cool at the time

[dusty pollen]

isn’t dragon still a leader in transcription software?

[red crest]

I just googled "Dragon natural language stuff" and one of the results was someone calling Dragon the gold standard in a copywriting context, so probably?

[marble jewel]

More accurate interpretations of voice is probably one of the things that LLMs are actually well-suited for, so that future may still come yet. The difficulty now becomes, I don't really like talking or hearing my voice for that matter.

[crystal wren]

Oh cool. Just need to start re-learning Japanese!

[crystal wren]

Why use voice when fingers do faster?

[marble jewel]

Because my hands are tied behind my back

It'll be a plot point in a crime drama. The kidnappers left the victim without a mouth gag, and they managed to escape using Alexa.

[dusty pollen]

alexa told them it doesn’t understand what they’re saying and started blaring spotify. they never made it out

[red crest]

I watched a documentary recently called War of the Worlds (2025) and it told me that Amazon's products can literally save the world, so I'm sure Alexa can handle something like this

[cinder karma]

It's not godawful at meeting minutes which i lime

[marble jewel]

Yeah at work that's the one thing it's been really helpful for - notes and action items

We use Copilot with Facilitator at my job, and it really does summarize things well

[fleet wren]

I have not watched that movie (nor will I ever) but I read that the climax involves ||an Amazon Prime drone delivering a USB drive containing the software that the protagonist needs to defeat the alien invasion|| and I'm stuck between deciding whether that's so shameless it's brilliant or just, well, shameless

[marble jewel]

They have the mobile data connectivity to be in constant video communication with each other, but not for transferring files from a usb stick by any other means

[fleet wren]

the only way Amazon can possibly top that is remaking Wall-E but with Amazon replacing BnL and being depicted as the good guy all along

[marble jewel]

With how corporatized all of the major media production companies are becoming, having feature-length movies be a 2-3 hour advertising spot seems inevitable

[red crest]

|| The drone got flipped upside down and the only way they could fix it was by bribing a homeless person to expose themselves to the danger of being vapourized with a $1000 Amazon gift card to flip it back over.||

[marble jewel]

||Proof that trickle-down economics works||

[safe dragon]

gift cards are such a strange and stupid thing

like yes let me turn these 10 dollars into 10 dollars but it only works in some places

fantastic for fraud though

[rain apex]

Sometimes u can turn 10 dolla into 12 dolla

[marble jewel]

Big company propaganda made people believe that gift cards are thoughtful while cash is not

[rain apex]

Sometimes u pay tax twice 😌

[marble jewel]

There is more "perceived value" in a $20 Amazon Gift card than a $20 bill

[safe dragon]

damn that's an effective 16.67% discount

[safe dragon]

It might be limited to my own environment but I feel like this isn't working as much anymore

[marble jewel]

The problem is that gifts have an overall net loss in perceived value. It's been studied. Anything you spend on whatever doesn't typically translate into equal or more value to the recipient

And that's taking value as a construct rather than as a monetary measurement

[safe dragon]

my family does birthdays in the most pragmatic "boring" way. The person whose birthday is coming up just creates a list with enough on there to align with the agreed upon budget

and then we just buy the stuff on there

gifts are never really a surprise we know what it is already

[cinder karma]

Spoken like a person who doesn't get regularly gift cards from the red cross

[marble jewel]

I'd prefer a boring birthday over what the society norms are. Like if for my Birthday you did some grocery shopping for me, I'd probably appreciate that more than some of the thoughtful gifts that people come up with like a novelty mug that made me think of them

[dusty pollen]

“hold on, let me take my Amazon Prime™ Air Delivery Drone™ (patent pending) to deliver this memory stick!”

[safe dragon]

actually my bday is this thursday and I'll be gifted money that I have promised to then use to fund a part of the cost of a good food processor

so they're not even giving me anything

they're just depositing money into my bank account

🌈

[rain apex]

They are investing in the crumble food processor trust fund

[safe dragon]

yes

[rain apex]

How is the roi do they get better meal next time they come by

[marble jewel]

For my wedding gift registry, I used a funding site where people could contribute whatever they wanted towards different activities

Ultimately it didn't directly fund any of those activities, it was most just like a pool of money I could use for whatever, but it helped people to think they were buying me a "swim with the dolphins"

[safe dragon]

I'm not even celebrating my bday in my own home. I'm going to my mom's and doing it there cause it's more pragmatic since my mom, dad and sister (and niece) all live within walking distance of each other

we're not big on parties frankly we just want to get them out of the way

we do them cause of some perceived obligation pushed onto us by no one

There's those 5 languages of love or something thing and if I were to rank mine, gift giving would be just into the ground so low you can't even see it

[cinder karma]

Same

[safe dragon]

there have actually been years where one of us just said like "yeah sorry I just don't have anything to put on the wish list. Just come visit for a dinner or something and we'll call it good enough"

[cinder karma]

Tbh dad has gotten the message (he gets me one thing I asked for...stuff like "hey dad can u bring me a pair of glasses, a new seal for my instant pot, and windshield wipers for my car")

Mom....tries

[rain apex]

I haven't celebrated birthday in years tbh

It just seems like bother I usually just go buy myself milktea or smth

[cinder karma]

Mom gets me skincare

[safe dragon]

birthdays meant something when I had no disposable income but nowadays it's like... If it's useful I've probably already bought it

[cinder karma]

To be fair I also get her skincare

[safe dragon]

I don't think my mom even owns moisturizer

neither does my sister

my mom's going on vacation during her own bday this year

good stuff

[fleet wren]

I treat myself to AYCE sushi on my birf
||I also do it every other month but shh||

[safe dragon]

sushi was the big thing I looked forward to for birthdays but that has kinda just died due to a combination of at first covid and then my sister trying to have a kid and not wanting to risk raw fish

and then she actually had a child and she didn't want to risk having a 0-2 yo have raw fish

and now she's trying for a damn child again

I want my sushi

we used to have a tradition of making sushi together for christmas but that is also no longer feasible with a hyperactive 2 year old demanding attention

[devout vault]

Murdering Godot is no longer enough to sate his bloodthirst

[safe dragon]

oh no

[devout vault]

I'm gonna need to buy more plushes to keep myself safe

[safe dragon]

don't want it to be your turn

[devout vault]

Exactly

[cinder karma]

Ferris?

I can also find a creepy duo

[devout vault]

Atra we've covered this. That would require actually owning Rust stuff, which I refuse to do 😛

[cinder karma]

What about this stuff

1 Quart Evapo-Rust™ Rust Remover https://share.google/GFjQcduUzgrZl7sPt

[devout vault]

Does it work on this channel?

[cinder karma]

Try it!

[rain apex]

https://i.etsystatic.com/14699446/r/il/aee1a8/4805287635/il_1080xN.4805287635_ffmj.jpg

What if

[cinder karma]

/me: sad, feverish "why"

Why is that how macros work

[steel kraken]

every time I've looked at how macros get used in the C/C++ land I understand why higher level languages have avoided them like the plague and invent stuff like source generators and partial classes instead

[cinder karma]

This is systemverilog

[cinder karma]

Stupid questions: what is a book you're looking forward to reading

[steel kraken]

the only fiction book I read is harry potter and the methods of rationality, either in written form or audio book.
and then just go again when I have the desire for book

its long enough that going back to the start again is fine

[cinder karma]

Amazon.com: Symphony in C: Carbon and the Evolution of (Almost) Everything: 9780393358629: Hazen, Robert M.: Books https://share.google/DhbGhksb10yR8a44Q

I checked this one from library

[dusty pollen]

is that the one with professor pepsi

[little furnace]

Wheel of Time: Knife of Dreams. I read the entire series up to the tenth book, then I read the prequel that was released around that time, then I realized that I forgot the beginning and re-read everything again, and now (at the end of the eight book) I kinda feel for the first time that I understand everything. So I finally want to read the 11th book. Still two books to go, though.

[supple ether]

Age of Miracles

It was recommended to me by a friend bc I liked Life As We Knew It

[sand frost]

I liked the start but I don’t like the end. Also some of the middle. Hmm.

I haven’t reread it in either ages or ever, but I remember liking it less and less either as it went on or as I got older

[devout vault]

I read it at one point, can't recall how long ago

[sand frost]

I should finish Unsong at some point

[cinder karma]

I recall it mostly from a very stupid project

[devout vault]

My answer is I'm in Love with the Villainess books 4 and 5

[cinder karma]

Where we markov chained it with meeting notes

Which lol

I didn't like hpmor either tbh

[devout vault]

(They're out, series is finished. I just need to read them still)

[cinder karma]

Then again when do I read fiction anymore

[prisma flume]

i exclusively read factual interest books about wood and gardens

it's very easy on the drama which is refreshing

[sand frost]

What have you learned about gardens?

I have ambitions of gardening someday

[cinder karma]

U can do tomato

I would love tomato

[sand frost]

I have a book about wood but it’s “Structural Design in Wood”

I do love tomato

It’s sort of a dry book

Picked it up out of a free book pile

[devout vault]

Well that won't do, tomatos need water to grow

...I may have misread and thought you said a book about tomatos

[cinder karma]

Should get Elizabeth a book on tomato

[worn remnant]

a book about wood

[devout vault]

Is petrified wood considered wood or stone?

[lucid sundial]

The fact that I just purchased this to clean rust off of some old equipment

omg...a buebewwy is typing (i love ur name sm)

[prisma flume]

oh i don't do much study, just picking up ideas and plans. a lot of what i read is in techniques as applied to buddhist gardens and tea houses, symbolism of evergreens and other hardy plants, broader design so as to capture landscape as scenery, elements of non-flowering gardens, evocative stone arrangements, imagery of sacred sites, things like that

[lucid sundial]

out of curiosity, what's your favorite flower? ^^

i love gardens, i wish i had one

i've seen a few of those buddhist gardens, they are very pleasent

[prisma flume]

hard to name a single one. i love plumeria for the aroma that to me is the essence of summer. murraya as well as one of those all-encompassing perfumes that sets the tone for the season, but for something more dramatic, epiphyllum is just an incomparable flower, overwhelming in size and scent but not even lasting a single night

[lucid sundial]

very nice flowers : )

[prisma flume]

i do also like roses of course for all the usual reasons but creeping roses are asshole bastard plants that hunger for blood

[lucid sundial]

very true

i wish to have a large garden, with many flowers one day, my favorites are tulips

however, i don'

i don't care for insects*

so, it'll be a unique experience loll

[prisma flume]

ahh i like tulips a lot. i don't think i could ever bother with bulbs myself though, i'm fine with them being annuals and all but the uncertainty of whether the bulbs will naturally survive or whether they need to be over-wintered someplace dark just sounds like too much hassle

same goes for narcissus i suppose

i love insects, it's lovely knowing all these critters come to the flowers and plants

[cinder karma]

I have strong opinions on plants

I like plants i can eat

[little furnace]

But... oxygen is important as well.

[prisma flume]

plants and insects are the foundation of the world. if people say they don't like either i just can't comprehend it. it's like disliking air

[cinder karma]

Yeah but if I plant plant i tend to like edible plants

Like basil

And tomato

And luffa

And pecans

[prisma flume]

have you actually planted pecans

[lucid sundial]

no but i love eating them on pies : )

[cinder karma]

No but as a kid we used to go out to the local university and gather them

[lucid sundial]

pee-CAN, or pee-CON

the real question

[devout vault]

pe-cone, obviously (/s)

[prisma flume]

i've never heard anyone in uk or aus say anything other that peeCAN

[cinder karma]

Puh kahn

[devout vault]

...actually I've never heard a long e for the first syllable

Well, in person

[lucid sundial]

so many variants- 👀

[devout vault]

Yeah this is how I've heard it

[prisma flume]

wat

[lucid sundial]

here its only Pee-Can, its funny each region is unique

[little furnace]

I have no idea what you all are talking about. What is that in IPA?

[lucid sundial]

pecans

its really important

[prisma flume]

i only speak XPA

[cinder karma]

Bluebs I live in pecan area

U think I'm not patient enough to wait 30 y for tree?

[devout vault]

This conversation is nuts

[little furnace]

Yeah, but the pronounciation. Using English to explain pronounciation is like using Brainf*ck to explain coding.

[lucid sundial]

LOL

[prisma flume]

ピーカン

[devout vault]

98% of people don't know IPA pronunication, or that its even a thing, I bet

So it's more like using assembly (for IPA) rather than C (for English) 😛

[little furnace]

I honestly rather use Assembly than C, and I'm a high-level coder.

[devout vault]

Yeah english is inconsistent, but some things are fairly consistent, like ee. Which means the other option can be figured out through context usually

[prisma flume]

dare i say it's closer to CIL -> C#

[cinder karma]

You may dare

[devout vault]

But may blueberry double dare?

[simple dawn]

Cool

[cinder karma]

Anyways bluebs

Tomato?

[devout vault]

Or possibly even the mythical double dog dare?

[little furnace]

Also, I just looked it up, and today I found out that pecans exist. Never heard of them.

[prisma flume]

tomato?

[cinder karma]

Do u grow tomato

[devout vault]

Only one tomato!

If you grow multiple, it doesn't count

[simple dawn]

Cool

[prisma flume]

this is the ideal opportunity to run an experiment to see how someone will naturally pronounce 'pecan' having never been exposed to the word before

[cinder karma]

Is it new clear or nu cue laurrrr

[prisma flume]

i barely grow anything in my apartment, not enough sun. only north-southf acing windows

[cinder karma]

Who timed me out lol

[prisma flume]

zoe.....

[cinder karma]

I'm blaming zoe

[devout vault]

Dynamic slow mode 😛

It's been like that for ages

More people talking = more slow mode

[cinder karma]

Wasn't dynamic slow mod

Was an actual timeout

[devout vault]

Unless you're a filthy cheater like me

Oh

Might've been a misclick

[little furnace]

Honestly, I tried pronouncing them peceau (French) and that feels surprisingly right.

[lucid sundial]

Hai I am a big bueautiful buttu-fwy in da wooods

[cinder karma]

Great

[lucid sundial]

context makes it easy to understand

[devout vault]

Oh, guess not

I mean it was, but atra got something worse instead

[devout vault]

How is this ban worthy?

[cinder karma]

Might have been nu cue laurrrrr

[hardy jewel]

Are you a puh-kahn-er too

[red crest]

Didn't use the IPO phonetic alphabet way or w/e

[devout vault]

Wording it that way makes it sound more exaggerated, but it's closer to that than other options presented here, yes

[hardy jewel]

😌

[red crest]

Such blinding white...

[prisma flume]

banned banned banned. you are ALL banned. NONE of you get pecans

[devout vault]

smh

If anything, everyone else is wrong

[red crest]

Am I allowed to pronounce it like peckin?

[prisma flume]

American pronunciation
dismissed

[cinder karma]

Look I'm running a fever so I have an excuse

What is yours

[prisma flume]

pea can, naturally

[cinder karma]

I'm not making piss can pie

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by bblueberry as #7226 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1468447070842261720)

[little furnace]

/pɛ'ko/

Yeah, I'm happy with that.

[lucid sundial]

are we still disscussing pecan

this must be a very unique conversation

[cinder karma]

I'm going to change thr topic

Olympics

[devout vault]

But pecans are so much more interesting

[cinder karma]

The cold version

[lucid sundial]

....name me every type of pecan

[cinder karma]

I want to see figure skating

[devout vault]

That's what makes them interesting! Always more to discover!

[prisma flume]

i wish ipa was more common. merrily learning pointless mandarin words from friends and somehow water chestnut translates to snot when i say it

[devout vault]

(I do not like pecans, or any nut)

[devout vault]

I will never try to learn a tonal language

[lucid sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-trouble-maker-nuts-greedy-gif-17348031

[cinder karma]

Zoe what do u grow

[devout vault]

(Is mandarin tonal? I do not know)

[prisma flume]

nutless.

[cinder karma]

Yeah, mandarin is tonal

[devout vault]

Flowers, obviously, it's in their username!

[hardy jewel]

(@simple dawn please don't say random words to level up, you need to talk in a conversation normally to get to level 5 for VC perms )

[devout vault]

I was about to say "Better than maidenless", but that's also the case

[cinder karma]

How are u maidenless when u are a maiden

[devout vault]

Because I don't count 😛

I could be super self deprecating here but atra will smite me if I do so

not in a bad way, in a "I'm stuck with myself" sort of way

[hardy jewel]

I'm currently trying to grow a pineapple guava tree but it's constantly trying to die on me

[cinder karma]

Cuteeee treee

[hardy jewel]

Our weather is too wild

I've had lots of veggie gardens before but I move a lot unfortunately

[prisma flume]

this summer's been ridiculous. 45 one day, 20 the next, 25 overnight, a week straight of rain, a month without

[devout vault]

.wolfram 45 C in F

[heavy dagger]

113 °F (degrees Fahrenheit)

[cinder karma]

Approximately one oven

[devout vault]

...that's a lot, do you mean C?

[prisma flume]

it's a lot

[devout vault]

.wolfram 20 C in F

[hardy jewel]

yeah that's c haha

[heavy dagger]

68 °F (degrees Fahrenheit)

[hardy jewel]

Australia is on fire.

[prisma flume]

and this is on the very temperate coast

sydney ofc

[cinder karma]

I hear there is also a very dead zone in the ocean

[devout vault]

Last week one of my brothers said he got snow in his part of town. Today it was 70 F

.wolfram 70 F in C

[heavy dagger]

21.11 °C (degrees Celsius)

[devout vault]

Our weather is playing basketball with the temperature

[cinder karma]

Also your central bank increased rates by 25 bps

[prisma flume]

supposedly a couple parts around here hit 50C+ last week

not us but all the same

[cinder karma]

Christ almighty

[devout vault]

.wolfram 50 C in F

[cinder karma]

Bring out the frying pan

[heavy dagger]

122 °F (degrees Fahrenheit)

[devout vault]

Yikes

It's summer there, right?

[prisma flume]

yep

[cinder karma]

Let's try to fry an egg on your car

[devout vault]

Is AC common there, or is suffering common instead?

[prisma flume]

i was leaving some bowls of water out for the birds at the time, they were doing a good impression of hainan chicken

[hardy jewel]

I'm up the top of Aus so we've been slammed by insane, flooding rain on top of the horrible heat and no AC

and then the bottom of Aus is insanely dry and has been completely on fire

[cinder karma]

Blueberry is ACless

[sand frost]

That’s horrifying

I didn’t think anyone did Australia without AC

[prisma flume]

no AC here, it's pervasive in the city but overall uncommon

[hardy jewel]

A lot of city homes would have AC, but not much elsewhere

[sand frost]

Huh, interesting

[hardy jewel]

It's too expensive for most people anyways

[little furnace]

I can recommend using a sauna. That might sound counterproductive, but afterwards everything will suddenly feel cool.

[sand frost]

Because electricity is expensive?

[cinder karma]

I have quite insane heat tolerance but

[sand frost]

And has to be generated with gas or something?

[cinder karma]

points at sun

[sand frost]

I was reading somewhere that the Aussie grid is rather fragmented

[prisma flume]

i was honestly considering buying a hotel room the last time it was 45C

[sand frost]

Yeah but you gotta get all the stuff out into the desert

[prisma flume]

if it wasn't 20 overnight i would've

[cinder karma]

Go generate your own with solar panels smuggled from China like a real person

[sand frost]

Probably by now solar is worth it but even here it’s like $20k from what I’ve read

[devout vault]

Have you considered pointing the fans south so that the rain clouds head there?

[hardy jewel]

I've done that before blueberry it's honestly a good idea haha

[sand frost]

So worth it is not important if getting the capital is hard

[cinder karma]

Save $10k by doing it yourself!

[sand frost]

But what if I touch the electrics wrong

[prisma flume]

a measly $150 to survive a day and a night in blissful air conditioning. breakfast provided...

[sand frost]

Honestly I have contemplated the concept of DIY solar but I think I’m too into things like “fridges that run on AC” and “being able to resell the house ever”

AC being alternating here

[prisma flume]

luckily i've long given up on the idea of "being able to buy a house ever"

[hardy jewel]

I ran totally off-grid on solar for a few years but the number of issues we experienced were insane

[prisma flume]

maybe melbourne is affordable

[hardy jewel]

but that was also whilst living in a tent

[cinder karma]

That's what inverters are for!

[hardy jewel]

so no ac either

[sand frost]

Surely inverters hamper efficiency? Maybe I’m overestimating?

[devout vault]

...for a few years?

[cinder karma]

Just get more panels tbh

[hardy jewel]

just housing crisis things ✨

[devout vault]

just invert the inefficiency back to efficiency. its that easy

[sand frost]

Our UV index is like…0 to 1 this time of year

[prisma flume]

so we've been at 11 for the last 3 months

[devout vault]

At least its 0 indexed

Get out of here, you filthy one-indexed programming languages

[sand frost]

I guess Australia is the perfect place for solar then

[prisma flume]

pretty much haha

not exactly surprising given we're the skin cancer capital of the world by a long way

[sand frost]

I have heard that you all are very serious about sunscreen

Mostly while reading about how pathetic the US sunscreens are

[cinder karma]

A little but I want a fridge and at least minisplits

[prisma flume]

i think the figures are almost 1 in 2 people will get some form of skin cancer in their life

[hardy jewel]

my rural skin cancer clinic makes absolute bank

those guys are loaded

[prisma flume]

i'm not surprised, my last derma visit was like $300 to say 'no problem mate'

not even bulk billed smh

tho my one amusing story is that the doctor did remark that i was the only person the whole day who walked in with a hat in the middle of summer

so again the figures aren't surprising lol

the people don't respect slip slop slap + no hat no play

[hardy jewel]

I did a skin cancer placement for uni and our entire group of medical professionals got absolutely murdered for not wearing a hat or sunscreen throughout that time

these people were fully aware of the risks but were too lazy to care

they got banished from doing anything until they complied 💔

[prisma flume]

no hat no medical license 🙂‍↕️

[dusty pollen]

all zachtronics games are 50% off again rn!

[safe dragon]

oh no

[thin estuary]

it doesn't scare me, because i already have all of them

[cinder karma]

It'll happen again

Eventually

[little furnace]

Thanks for the heads-up.

[pliant snow]

this is very irresponsible behavior for a prospective junimo, I'm afraid I'm going to have to report this

[devout vault]

Because they are promoting our unproductivity?

[pliant snow]

they're promoting crack cocaine

[devout vault]

Ah

I think they're promoting you buying the game legitimately though, not through a crack

[cinder karma]

The games look good.

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[cinder karma]

I do get paid tomorrow....

[fleet wren]

this doesnt scare me because openttd is free

help i'm building trains and bus networks again

[devout vault]

It doesn’t scare me much because I’ll forget by this evening anyways

[fleet wren]

damn sounds like I need to post 20 opus magnum gifs this evening

[cinder karma]

Get them to pay u for marketing

[cinder karma]

I have a stupid questions

What does doja cat have to do with this gif

[marble jewel]

Umm... Doja Cat is life. Star Wars is life. Therefore, Doja Cat is Star Wars. I'm sure each of those statements is independently true to some.

[cinder karma]

If you say so, but I'd rather paint the town red

(Those are the only two doja cat songs I know)

[devout vault]

It makes you ask questions.

It worked, didn't it?

(stole that from my parents 😛 )

[cinder karma]

I hate being sick

[icy geyser]

does anyone have a json or something of all growable items, their names, purchase amounts, grow times, what they are etc?

Ill take almost anything related to it.

[cinder karma]

!unpack for stardew

[indigo mist]

Follow this guide to unpack the game's content files in order to see and explore how the game data is structured.
It's helpful when making your own mods, or just to learn about how the game works!

To use this command, type !unpack.

[cinder karma]

Also #making-mods-general for stardew

For not stardew, no idea

[little furnace]

I'm addicted to this game.

I feel like this is the smallest area possible.

I know that it's only the first level, but I already spent so much time trying to optimize it for all categories.

[safe dragon]

ah the next victim

a smaller area should be logically impossible yeah

[little furnace]

Oh, wait, just as small and cheaper.

[safe dragon]

now you have to add us all on steam for leaderboards

[dusty pollen]

def smallest area since you have no area used other than the bare minimum required components!

for the first few levels, area and cost can be brought down to the literal minimum (sometimes at the same time, sometimes not)

[little furnace]

I only have one Steam friend who played this game and they always took the most obvious solution so I need new friends for leaderboard comparison Nevermind, you suggested it before I had to ask.

[little furnace]

Is that not possible later? Very interesting. Now I'm curious.

[dusty pollen]

I'm not sure? there are times where I doubt it would be

[safe dragon]

I mean strictly speaking there's always a true minimum

but yeah there will be ones where you probably have to use some space that doesn't have anything on it

[dusty pollen]

well yeah, but I meant the literal "one arm plus the product and one of each component" minimum

[safe dragon]

oh yeah that's definitely impossible

[little furnace]

Awww.

[safe dragon]

you'll crush my area scores cause I paid no attention to it

[dusty pollen]

molek syntez isn't quite as fun so far as opus magnum, at least for me :(

but very similar principle

[safe dragon]

my steam is linked in my profile feel free to add

[cinder karma]

What's molek

[cinder karma]

I read that as "feel free to feel old"

[little furnace]

I want to crush everyone's scores in all categories.

[safe dragon]

lmao

[safe dragon]

also allowed

[little furnace]

This game is the most fun I had in weeks.

[dusty pollen]

it's a great game, yeah

once you beat the entire main campaign you'll be able to turn on top percentile view and see what the top 1% of players got

[cinder karma]

Arms

[dusty pollen]

legs

[safe dragon]

claws

[dusty pollen]

this is a molek syntez btw atra to answer your question

[safe dragon]

this is not quite how I remember organic chemistry

[cinder karma]

Benzene

Pretty

[safe dragon]

a really strange benzene

a benzenetriol... thing

[cinder karma]

Is that nitrogen normal

[pliant snow]

Was this separate from opus magnum?

[cinder karma]

Anyways, iro has good taste in games

Do u have another one to recommend

[dusty pollen]

anything that selph recommends

this is from the same developer as opus magnum

[dusty pollen]

mescaline, apparently

but there's a benzene in the middle to start with

[safe dragon]

3,4,5-trimethoxyphenethylamine

my bad

[little furnace]

I don't like optimizing for cycles...

[regal ingot]

3,4,5-trimethoxyphenethylamine
lol... I pulled out PIKAL to look that up only to realize it's what iro had just said.

[dusty pollen]

yeah, the chemicals in this game are real (which may be why the puzzles aren’t quite as fun as they could be imo)

[devout vault]

yeah, the stuff in this game is real (which may be why it isn't quite as fun as it could be imo)

• irocendar

(I concur with that statement)

[dusty pollen]

I just mean they could have had more challenging puzzles if they crafted them by hand

[devout vault]

Clearly, they should have made an extradimensional DLC, with stuff from opus magnum crossing over and interacting in weird ways

[dusty pollen]

unfortunately the atoms in opus magnum aren’t usually the type that bind to hydrogen /lh

[devout vault]

That's where the shenanigans happen, obviously

[regal ingot]

I feel like I should want to play these games, but...
idunno, maybe that sort of resource optimization puzzle solving is too close to some of the things I have to deal with for actual work.
Or maybe my brain is just losing plasticity in my old age.

[dusty pollen]

I usually also hate resource optimisation and loved these, if it helps? but also if it doesn’t seem fun it doesn’t seem fun haha

[regal ingot]

yeah, but it's hard to judge whether I'm giving it a fair shake on "seems fun" based just on the gifs posted here.

[dusty pollen]

I found them to be pretty accurate to the general vibe of the game when I first played it, but it’s also very individual I imagine

[sand frost]

i definitely feel that way sometimes about engineering puzzle games

[cinder karma]

I love resource optimization!

[sand frost]

it's not particularly consistent feeling though i think

[cinder karma]

What about urban transport

[dusty pollen]

if it helps, the game is not very expensive (and currently 50% off)? but also if I was writing assembly for a job idk if I would have liked tis100 haha

[sand frost]

like factorio-esque i don't hate but i can't stay interested for long

things where you make assembly line belts

urban transport rates very highly in my book

train games are good games

[cinder karma]

What if we make a game centered around the Kreb cycle

[sand frost]

eh

[cinder karma]

You're a cell nucleus

[sand frost]

not a huge fan of the krebs cycle ngl

not cute enough

[dusty pollen]

you would be putting all med students through trauma

[cinder karma]

Up and down regulate your proteins to not die

[sand frost]

anything with time pressure i don't like

[cinder karma]

Krebs cycle is a favorite

[sand frost]

mini metro without the pause button would be a way worse game for me

[cinder karma]

See, I look at Shenzhen I/O and I'm like "why don't I just lay out a pcb irl"

[sand frost]

i like the tile placement games a lot, i have discovered

[cinder karma]

What's mini metro

[steel kraken]

is factorio even resource optimization?

most of what I've seen about it is "increase throughput"

[sand frost]

mini metro is a game where you plan subway lines to serve simulated populations

across vaguely real cities

[cinder karma]

There was this web game I used to like

You were a virus

Trying to infect the world

[dusty pollen]

pandemic simulator!

they did a lot for covid relief at the time too

[sand frost]

idk maybe resource optimization isn't exactly right for factorio but it's definitely an archetype that really seems like it ought to appeal to me

i teach a class that covers assembly line optimization!

but no, too much like work

[steel kraken]

Little Rocket Lab has such a low cap on how fast you can get throughput, and so it very quickly becomes "how small can you make the machine that still hits max throughput"

[dusty pollen]

(they actually added a “save the world” mode for covid where you were FIGHTING infection, which helped educate people and also they donated a bunch of money)

[sand frost]

puzzle games in general i tend to find frustrating unless there's an element of building stuff involved

which is annoying because i start to play them, get very frustrated, and have to cut myself off

[cinder karma]

Tbh I'm gonna admit I mostly just play sudoku

[cinder karma]

Does shenzhen I/O have the concept of impedance matched traces

[dusty pollen]

without having played it I’m gonna go ahead and guess no

[cinder karma]

But yeah, opus mangus looks fun to me

Shenzhen i/o looks like "hey atra just go lay out a pcb for reals"

Change of topic

[sand frost]

i also really prefer video games that are "cute" or "pretty"

[cinder karma]

Any interesting exercise games?

[sand frost]

like dodgball in PE or?

[cinder karma]

Video game exercise game like wii fit

[sand frost]

oh, i never play any of those because they pretty much all require sensors and stuff

[cinder karma]

I hear Just Dance is interesting

[sand frost]

i played ddr once

it was very difficult

i am not that nimble

[cinder karma]

I feel like I would like ddr

[sand frost]

probably, it's very high energy

like the dance videos

[dusty pollen]

I hear vr is popular for exercise

[cinder karma]

I'm stupidly obsessed with fitness Marshall videos haha

[cinder karma]

What about tire pressure:P

[sand frost]

also bad

i mean, i think mine is good

maybe in march i'll try again

[cinder karma]

Also

Til

[devout vault]

what if its in the style of Cells at Work

[sand frost]

idk if that's cute

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/cells-at-work-gif-20279508

Ex. Platelets and red blood cells

[sand frost]

medium cute i suppose

should a child have a job like that ??/

[devout vault]

All the platelets look like children, I don't think it's an age thing

To be fair it's not an entirely cute/wholesome anime. Mainly stuff with the immune system

Like the white blood cells

https://tenor.com/view/anime-cells-at-work-die-kill-white-blood-cell-gif-19884046

One of the few gifs of them that didn't seem to involve lots of blood (from the germs - don't ask how that works, I don't know)

https://tenor.com/view/cells-at-work-cells-at-work-red-blood-cells-cell-at-work-white-blood-cell-gif-16572039289496281457

[sand frost]

i feel like white blood cells do a bit less sprinting and a bit more inexorable squelching

[devout vault]

That specific red blood cell and white blood cell are recurring characters

[devout vault]

I feel like they also don't have houses and trolleys and stuff (the cells in general, that is)

https://tenor.com/view/cells-at-work-shocked-gif-13493077

It's been ages since I watched that, I should check it out again some time

[cinder karma]

Is this an anime about blood

[devout vault]

The body/health in general

[cinder karma]

Adorable

[devout vault]

Like it visualizes what happens when you get a cut, a transfusion, etc.

[red crest]

It's osmosis jones but cute anime girls and episodic (I have not watched it)

[cinder karma]

What's osmosis jones

[devout vault]

Episode titles are what they cover

[red crest]

It's like Cells at Work

[devout vault]

"Cells Unemployed"

[cinder karma]

Oh that's adorable!!!!!

[devout vault]

...there's a season 2??? Definitely need to watch

[cinder karma]

Influenza

[red crest]

My cells feel pretty unemployed right now since I've been sick for a few days now. I want a refund on my white blood cells

[devout vault]

"The original anime was 2018? Oh, that's not as long ago as I-"
does math

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

[cinder karma]

I fucking love practical engineering

The YouTube show

[cinder karma]

You too?

[sand frost]

I was just watching that

[cinder karma]

(I have a cold too. Given I'm racing 15km on Saturday....)

[cinder karma]

He's teaching me about putting energy on the grid

[sand frost]

I was watching the one about runways

Y favorite is his Arecibo collapse one

[pliant snow]

welcome to linux problems, I am your host. Today, after an update, kde plasma completely stops refreshing the screen after logging in. It doesn't freeze, turns out, and you can get it to refresh by using the keyboard commands to switch from tty2 to tty3 and back, and then it'll update the single frame. I have no idea what is causing this

[crystal wren]

Hi, this sort of thing also sort of happens to me randomly with KDE.

I have no idea why.

That was my talk.

[pliant snow]

i've seen it happen before, but usually a reboot causes it to figure itself out, now I cant get it to move past it

[crystal wren]

That's a whole different level of thing though, yeah...

I suppose you've tried X11/Wayland depending on which you normally use?

[pliant snow]

I dont even have X11 set up anymore

[prisma flume]

i suppose you've tried W11/Windows depending on which you normally use?

[crystal wren]

Yeah, you have to do... something I don't remember to force KDE to re-enable X11 now anyway.

[crystal wren]

I hate how much that joke works with Windows 11, and I love it.

[prisma flume]

daily win11 gripe: the taskbar randomly has lower priority on the desktop than other windows when set to auto-hide and i will never know why

[worn remnant]

hi aquo, first time caller long time listener.
the problem i have is with niri and xwayland-satellite. it works totally fine except this infuriating quirk: after putting the computer into s3 suspend and waking it up, the discord app specifically gets some kind of cursed maximum refresh rate on which mouse cursor image is displayed. it drops down to like one refresh every 1.5 seconds (the position/responsiveness is fine, it's just deciding which png to display). the only way out is to kill xwayland-satellite and let niri restart it, and it's fine again.
no other programs do this! restarting discord doesn't work, either, i have to kill xwayland. what is even going on in there

[fleet wren]

I never suspend my Linux PC; bad things happen when I do (I don't remember what I just know in my bones, like some sort of ancestral knowledge)

[cinder karma]

I wish I could file taxes with free tax usa

(I now do the bullheaded thing of filing by hand.)

[pliant snow]

im using free tax usa for the first time this year

[worn remnant]

this is basically the only weird side effect i've ever had over decades of using S3 suspend! it is frustrating

(yes, i have previously used cursed kernel-oriented tools to rewrite a computer's DSDT to enable the s3 suspend that it was capable of but which was disabled at the factory by the windows people who want me to use "modern standby" si0x or whatever it is)

[rain apex]

I don't think i ever setup suspend correctly so when i press hibernate it actually just shuts down

[pliant snow]

well, I can install xfce, and it's X11 compositor version runs fine, the wayland one crashes immediately, which I don't think tells me anything. I've cleared out some of my plasma files, deleted all the AUR plugins for it, but I think I need to just completely clean out its settings. Otherwise... uhhh

[pliant snow]

creating a new user also doesn't help, I guess plasma is just kinda fucked at the moment, idk

[safe dragon]

🌈

[fleet wren]

you know which wayland WM doesnt have problems? hy-ok I lied it also has like 100 little annoyances

[rain apex]

Aquova let me know when it'll be safe to updoot thx

[pliant snow]

i do have an old hyprland config lying around, but I frankly would rather use xfce lol

[rain apex]

I feel like all of my problems have fallen in the goes away in a couple updates bucket

[pliant snow]

I dont even think there was a big plasma update recently, idk what changed

and of course, everything is working fine on my desktop

[cinder karma]

I've never had an issue with suspend

Am I fake Linux user

[rain apex]

No it means u r skilled

[safe dragon]

I've never used suspend

wait no I have on my laptop cause it does if I close the lid

no issues tho

[pliant snow]

alright pitch which DE i should use for a week while I wait for whatever plasma issue is to resolve itself

oh shit does someone have the same issue as me on reddit this morning

making me log into reddit for the first time in like a year, how dare they

[fleet wren]

as much as I loathe it if you want something that just works™ in the meantime there's ||GNOME||

[worn remnant]

gnome only just works if you never use its file picker (a crime against humanity)

[pliant snow]

oh my god is it a powerdevil thing

[worn remnant]

i'm exaggerating of course but that file picker is the devil's work

[safe dragon]

cosmic

[pliant snow]

i can have new exciting errors instead

[safe dragon]

save power by disabling screen refreshing

[pliant snow]

ayyyy I think their solution worked

too bad I deleted most of my plasma configs in the process... alas

[safe dragon]

you didn't just rename them?

[marble jewel]

You need some dotfile management in your life

[pliant snow]

I moved them into a new folder and them put them back

but I also uninstalled some plugins in the process and tried manually deleting the panels, so I have to recreate them

[pliant snow]

you've never tried to manage KDE plasma dotfiles I see

[cinder karma]

If i can open a terminal I'm happy

[dusty pollen]

I give up on molek-syntez

[dusty pollen]

are you familiar with ctrl+alt+f1-f6 for changing to a different tty

[devout vault]

For those who didn't see, Valve confirmed the memory/storage shortages have impacted the timing and price of the release. (Aiming for first half of this year though)

[safe dragon]

ah it's mrbeast this time not elon

[devout vault]

First time it's stayed up long enough for me to see it

[safe dragon]

I normally ping

[devout vault]

(don't worry I reported it like a good noodle)

[fleet wren]

yeah saw that too
some people speculate valve may make even or even sell it for a loss

[pliant snow]

@dusty pollen this is your chance

[fleet wren]

(probably unlikely but still)

[safe dragon]

chance to prove yourself as an apple

[pliant snow]

protect us from this nefarious plot

i feel exposed and at risk

[safe dragon]

protect us from 2700 usd in our wallet

[devout vault]

While I can technically delete it, I don't know if I'm actually allowed to.

And also it's on like 8 other channels

[pliant snow]

i can feel my money slipping away

[devout vault]

(The user has been around for like a year, so I assume it's a hacked account)

[safe dragon]

yeah this one usually seems to be hacked accounts

[tranquil grove]

the same thing got deleted in making-mods a minute ago, so you're probably good to kill it

[pliant snow]

<@&239770080378880001> save us obi-wan

[crystal wren]

Ooh, well this one changed the formula a bit.

[safe dragon]

yeah it's mrbeast not elon

[devout vault]

What I mean is that the @ stardew developer role may technically have the role perms, I don't know if I'm supposed to 😛

[safe dragon]

exciting

[pliant snow]

mr beast would not do this to us

he would never give away money

[devout vault]

Let me immortalize proof of my good-noodle-ness

[safe dragon]

only if he earns more from it than he lost

[edgy lion]

Noooo the one time I'm actually in the server but I was reading the previous messages :(

[safe dragon]

you missed out on 2700 usd

[tranquil grove]

missing out on incoherent photos of somebody's phone screen

[safe dragon]

also a computer screen

[tranquil grove]

(it originally took me like 4 scam posts to figure out how it was even supposed to work)

[safe dragon]

I've never actually paid enough attention to what I would have to do

[tranquil grove]

on twitter it'd have like a fake @ or website url somewhere, iirc

i haven't zoomed on the more recent discord stuff

[waxen sapphire]

i’m thinking of getting godot and trying python after only doing scratch code and json for a long time

i am in a game design class but it doesn’t teach me how to code, just how to make a game that doesn’t suck

[fleet wren]

I'd say those are somewhat orthogonal

if you need a gentler next step pygame is pretty good for a simple python game engine

[waxen sapphire]

ohh i’ve heard of pygame

my fathers a programmer who works in ruby and c++ mostly

[fleet wren]

godot is a whole ass engine and I dont believe it has first class python support

[waxen sapphire]

it doesn’t?

[little furnace]

To be fair, GDscript is very similar to Python.

[marble jewel]

Is Python only a second class citizen?

[tranquil grove]

there's also ren'py for visual novels
though most of those probably shouldn't be using raw python, they technically can

[waxen sapphire]

i looked at that but they’ved shoved a bunch of ai into it so ehhhh

[little furnace]

GDscript is the language for Godot.

[waxen sapphire]

or wait might be another thing

!! IM STUPID !!

there was another language i was looking at but it was like. 90% ai 🥀

IT WAS GDEVELOP not gdscript ✌️

[cyan shadow]

GDScript was similar to C# I thought
Must've been mistaken

[devout vault]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Not remotely

[cyan shadow]

I'm probably thinking of the fact that godot supports C# by extensibility, then

[devout vault]

Godot also supports C# though

[cyan shadow]

Ignore me

(Hi Casey! Sorry to render you temporarily distraught )

[devout vault]

I'm torn between saying "gladly" and "never"

[crystal wren]

Glever.

[cyan shadow]

Glever

[devout vault]

The hit N64 game, Glover?????

[waxen sapphire]

maybe i’ll look at pygame but i was told it’s more of a framework

[devout vault]

Pygame provides a lot less out of the box, but is still feasible

Same sort of thing as Monogame (what stardew uses)

[crystal wren]

GDScript and Godot would be a fine choice for starting from essentially scratch, though.

[cyan shadow]

[waxen sapphire]

don’t do what i did and confuse it 🤦‍♀️

[cyan shadow]

(Obligatory fist shake at Unity)

[devout vault]

If you have the motivation and interest for it, figuring out how to do it in a framework is great for knowing how things work underneath.

But motivation and interest is often the main part, and I get that making actual gameplay is much better for that. It's a big reason why I gravitate towards modding

[waxen sapphire]

my father has done C++, ruby and python and my mom has done html but isnt html just a formatting language

i did a little bit of html just to format my toyhouse page 💀

[devout vault]

(Fun fact this got a PC port: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1257880/Glover/ )

Steam

Glover

Save the World...Single-handed!

The Kingdom's peaceful world has been shattered! The wizard, while mixing potions with his magical gloves has caused a huge explosion, turning him instantly to stone and dislodging the seven crystals that give the Kingdom its energy. Without the crystals, the castle and its world will fall apart and the wiza…

Price

$19.99

Recommendations

216

[heavy dagger]

Title result: Glover on Steam

[waxen sapphire]

woaw

[devout vault]

(I had no clue what I was doing with how young I was when I played it, so never made it far)

[waxen sapphire]

it’s kind of embarrassing how long i’ve used scratch, but it has so much of an easier vector editor to use than adobe

i DESPISE adobe

[devout vault]

Apparently it's a rather poor port

[waxen sapphire]

i’ve always been on the art side of my “coding” anyway, as soon as an operator or function got involved in scratch i ran away

[devout vault]

Well, some people say its a good port since theres no huge gameplay stopping bugs, but apparently there are some long standing bugs with audio and missing textures and such

[devout vault]

(Are we stopping at only a fist shake today?)

has never actually used Unity

[worn remnant]

missing textures
they're just faithfully recreating the n64 experience /j

[crystal wren]

I just (try to) run away at the first sight of Scratch in general.

[devout vault]

Have you witnessed Scratch Minecraft yet

[waxen sapphire]

if you ignore all the children you can get some impressive things done

i think i will try game

*pygame

[devout vault]

https://experiments.turbowarp.org/pointerlock/1188911953/fullscreen?fps=60&size=660x360

It's surprisingly capable

A pig just jumped into lava and killed itself. Truly accurate to vanilla minecraft

(Controls are a bit odd, like using space instead of right click in inventories)

[crystal wren]

Oh, it's plenty capable for sure... using it just makes me want to implode a little.

[devout vault]

Scratch or scratch MC? 😛

[crystal wren]

Yes.

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7239 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1469019088427941968)

[cinder karma]

I've never used scratch

[devout vault]

This gave me some nostalgia for old MC I didn't know I still had, so played it for a bit.

Was about to enchant tools but decided to sleep (first time), and it crashed. So much for that 😛

(Well, it froze and never recovered)

[devout vault]

Me neither

[devout vault]

(I was also going to see if the nether was accessible, and had everything for it. But apparently, sleep kills)

[cinder karma]

I've never played Minecraft

[safe dragon]

skill issue

[devout vault]

Atra could play Minecraft. It's not on Steam, and so isn't bound by the "no opening steam until casey finishes stardew3D" rule

[cinder karma]

I even have Minecraft off Google play!

[fleet wren]

wanna share that I spent a couple hours yesterday researching OpenTTD modding solely so I can fix a bug in a mod I'm playing with

I sent a PR but it seems like the author's been quiet for 6 months

[devout vault]

Time for a fork / custom-made alternative

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-thanos-fine-i-will-do-it-myself-fine-i-will-do-it-myself-mcu-gif-15647768486172114787

[cinder karma]

What is openttd

Some open source terminal?

[devout vault]

Open source reimplementation of transportation simulator or something

[fleet wren]

it's an open source remake of Transport Tycoon Deluxe

you build trains and buses and stuff

[cinder karma]

@sand frost u may like

[worn remnant]

openrct2 (roller coaster tycoon 2) also a fun time if you are into that sort of thing

[cinder karma]

U know u have bad day when u have to consult spec on scoping rules

[rain apex]

What is the licensing shenanigans behind these Open* ports

I think i tried to setup openrct2 once and never figured out where i was supposed to get the assets from

[tranquil grove]

iirc you have to install the actual original game & then point the port at it
similar to emulators that ask you to extract (i.e. google) bios files to make it run, so they don't get taken down for distributing them

openrct2 itself is apparently gpl though

[safe dragon]

I only own rollercoaster tycoon 1

[cinder karma]

I dont kwn open randomized control trial 2

[worn remnant]

they've cleanroomed or at least rewritten the entirety of the game engine, but you have to get the assets from the original game files

[cinder karma]

....God fucking hell

[cinder karma]

{
$display(var1, var2,var3);
}

Compiles

{
    var2 = var1;
     $display(var1,var2,var3);
}
``` does not compile

Because "var2 was declared twice in two scopes "

Enforcing `default_nettype none doesn't change the error message

[safe dragon]

no shadowing allowed

[cinder karma]

What in the second statement is a declaration????

[safe dragon]

do I look like I know how verilog does variable declarations

[tranquil grove]

wasn't sure what language it was, so I just figured it's like javascript's vibes-based declaration

though combining that with that error is a nightmare

[safe dragon]

javascript loves scoping rules

just use var and it doesn't have any

well no ok it still has some scope unlike python shit

[tranquil grove]

ig it has a let keyword, I never once used it

[supple ether]

I don't know the difference between let and var but I know let causes me less problems so I use that for everything

[safe dragon]

let is the better var

cause it has normal scoping rules instead of being globally scoped (or function scoped)

there really is no reason to ever use var unless you intentionally want to avoid scoping rules in which case... wtf are you doing

[devout vault]

What if I just hate the idea of using the word let for variable declaration

[safe dragon]

cause rust does it?

[devout vault]

Nah, my dislike of let predates rust

[safe dragon]

damn

tbh I sometimes use var in javascript just cause I write C# at the same time often enough

and then just end up typing var somewhere in js

[tranquil grove]

I wonder if let is newer, or if my university professors just didn't care to mention it

haven't used JS except for some classes there and my spaghetti json editor

[devout vault]

I think the college I went to only just started teaching some C++11 stuff a few years ago

[safe dragon]

or you're in visual studio and have to deal with its 3000 years out of date js and css tooling which will warn you that let is new and not supported by all browser (it has been supported by every single browser for 9 years)

[tranquil grove]

I did graduate before that, being old™

mdn* only confirms that var existed a year before that, though, so idk when what got standardized

[safe dragon]

let was brand new when I did web programming in uni I think

[cinder karma]

God that's let?

[cinder karma]

Verilog....has a lot of fun with accidentally declaring wires because you didnt notice u typoed smth

[tranquil grove]

maybe? sounds like your error was weird declaration-without-keyword logic

[fleet wren]

(OpenTTD has its own assets now so you don't even need those)
(the ship of Theseus is fully replaced)

[safe dragon]

I think var has been a thing forever? Like it was part of the original javascript

opera has supported var since 1997 for example

[tranquil grove]

probably, yeah, just hard to dig up confirmation

[devout vault]

now somebody do it for Kirby Air Ride

[safe dragon]

pretty sure these supported dates in mdn are just the release dates of the browsers

[red crest]

This is why a lot of my more recent webdev stuff is littered with random vars at times and making me look like a bad javascript dev

[safe dragon]

shared struggles

[cinder karma]

Nintendo will kill you

[devout vault]

I didn't say I'd do it, geez

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-some-of-you-may-die-but-that's-a-sacrifice-i'm-willing-to-make-some-of-you-may-die-shrek-lord-farquaad-but-it's-a-sacrifice-i-am-willing-to-make-gif-7669811096341054175

[safe dragon]

them killing whoever would is not disputed however

[devout vault]

Of course not

The only thing more ubiquitous than Nintendo's lawyers is Nintendo's ninja assassins

[tranquil grove]

original racing game, do not steal
square kirby model

[devout vault]

Actually they already own that too

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-minecraft-scream-gif-18705734

[tranquil grove]

dang

[devout vault]

Gotta go triangles

[tranquil grove]

there're probably a lot of kirby shapes to avoid if we count the games where he eats cars or w/e

[devout vault]

Technically he didn't eat the car, he just drove it while holding the entire thing with his mouth

The whole point of mouthful mode is that he doesn't actually eat them

He puppets them

[tranquil grove]

ah, I only caught like 10 minutes of that game being streamed

[fleet wren]

kirby probably hasnt turned into a 4-sphere yet

[cinder karma]

We will just substitute Casey's cat

[devout vault]

I refuse to learn enough about physics stuff to get an actually good feeling system for a KAR-like

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7240 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1469063426767589456)

[cinder karma]

I can trivially be nerdsniped into physics

But I am, like, emotionally not capable of making a video game

The internet told me

[safe dragon]

physics engines are best built by some random opensource project run by some unknown guy in uni who did it for fun next to their degree

[hardy jewel]

(Happy birthday Crumb!)

[safe dragon]

(thanks)

[cinder karma]

Happy birthday crumble

[devout vault]

Happy birthday!

[fleet wren]

[safe dragon]

I ordered the food processor

bday gift is on its way

[cinder karma]

I'm not allowed to use +=? Kill me now

[safe dragon]

have to do x = x + y like a troglodyte

[devout vault]

Or like some needing to edit something on a property in C# (ex. kitty.Position.X += 3;)

[safe dragon]

I've been back in C# land lately at work

even have had to touch a lil bit of reflection

some custom attributes

it's been nice

[cinder karma]

This just shows how ancient monogame is tbh

Ref properties are love

[safe dragon]

I don't think ref properties are used very often...

[cinder karma]

They're so good!

[long verge]

Happy birthday

[devout vault]

I didn't know they were a thing

When did they get added to C#?

[cinder karma]

Quite recently

[devout vault]

Okay then that hardly is from monogame being "ancient" 😛

[cinder karma]

I think it is at latest net 6

#933572312203141191 message

[devout vault]

For all I know, newer MG has it

[cinder karma]

Here's a reference in 2020 to it

https://github.com/dotnet/csharplang/discussions/3092

[waxen sapphire]

do people prefer vscode or notepad++, i’m using vscode

[safe dragon]

those are certainly two options

I suppose I use Visual Studio, VS Code, Notepad++ and Helix

primarily helix and visual studio

vs code only really for the oracle database extension

[marble jewel]

I prefer VSCode, but that's because I use it for a lot of things that it seems to do a good job of such as handling remote SSH connections and managing Docker containers to name two

[waxen sapphire]

i see

[tidal charm]

New cat pics for Casey

[crystal wren]

CAT.

[steel kraken]

I think the last time I actually used notepad++ was for its "show hidden symbol" feature, but since then I've mostly worked out how to have vscode do the same

[safe dragon]

notepad++ is my session storage for random bits of text

[steel kraken]

I use regular notepad for that

[prisma flume]

I use sublime for that

[cinder karma]

I use xxd for that

[rain apex]

I use discord for that

[pliant snow]

that's state sponsored notepad++ to you

[prisma flume]

one-time pad++, the #1 tool for sharing state secrets

[cinder karma]

Loaf

[dusty pollen]

alas I was busy staring into the void

[safe dragon]

an important activity

[cinder karma]

Iro pretty organic chemistry gifs plz

God I'm terrible at ochem lol

[devout vault]

A new page with an old game prototype got added to my old website. Or so I hear.

(For those who aren't gonna bother looking for it (ie. everyone) even though there's a hint on the front page: https://spacechase0.com/games/unfinished/pet-kar/)

It even has non-windows builds!

[safe dragon]

I think they quit the game

no more ochem

[dusty pollen]

that game was meh, I moved on to the next zachtronic

[cinder karma]

Smh and u didnt just show me a gif of a spinning hexafluorocubane?

[dusty pollen]

how could I if I don't even know what that is

[fleet wren]

ngl none of their visual programming games reached the peak that was opus magnum

iirc zach even admitted it as such in the interview

[dusty pollen]

I played a bit of last call bbs today

what are your other favourite zachtronics, selph?

[fleet wren]

SpaceChem was the first I tried, and I liked it, but fair warning that it's definitely very difficult

I also liked Shenzhen I/O but you also tried that

[dusty pollen]

I have not, no

[steel kraken]

I did a bit of that one, wasn't too big on it

[fleet wren]

(the rest of their catalogue doesn't quite catch my eye admittedly)

[steel kraken]

I think the only real programming game I've played recently that I actually put hours in was https://store.steampowered.com/app/2060160/The_Farmer_Was_Replaced/

[cinder karma]

Look at this and be very afraid

[sand frost]

yesterday i learned my husband has that one

yall keep talking about zachtronics games so i went and looked at some

he says SpaceChem was fun but it looks like magnum opus but less pretty

he also has TIS-100 which is one of the most in character things ever

(he likes to program calculators)

[cinder karma]

Iro liked that one

[sand frost]

i think i might need to learn assembly or something

or maybe it would teachme assembly?

[cinder karma]

It's on my list for games to pick up

When I fully funded this year roth ira

And when @devout vault let's me back in my steam account

[dusty pollen]

tis-100 is excellent

[cinder karma]

Casey i expect to fund the roth ira in 10 weeks, maybe less

[devout vault]

It's possible I'll have a "technically playable but everything is billboard sprites" build by then

[sand frost]

why does casey have your account